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<v Speaker 1>Hello. So this is Richard Gates from Athamston Cree and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll play at Mouse Great Golf.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Golf Smarter Podcast, episode number nine seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if I'm not comfortable with something like my

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<v Speaker 2>grip or my setup, I'll make sure I work on

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<v Speaker 2>those things off the golf course. You know, once they

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<v Speaker 2>get on the golf course though, you have to play golf.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to adapt because you know, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Work too much on the range, you're not adapting very well.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can put the playing part more in the

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<v Speaker 2>positive ratio, I think you're just going to get more

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<v Speaker 2>out of your game because you don't adapt on the

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<v Speaker 2>practice tee. Let's face it, the environment there just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>allow you to adapt.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're on the golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Course, you're always trying to figure out Okay, different wind

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<v Speaker 2>direction on every hole, the win the turf, every lie

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<v Speaker 2>is different, every scenario you have seems to be different

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<v Speaker 2>than the next. So the more you play, the more

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<v Speaker 2>golf shots that you develop and remember in your repertoire

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<v Speaker 2>to the next time you go, oh wow, so oh

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lie like that two weeks ago. That

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<v Speaker 2>you have to you have to a lot to have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of good recall memory to remember what this

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<v Speaker 2>particular lie does to the golf ball, where you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have that on the practice team.

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<v Speaker 1>With this episode, we launch our twentieth year balancing Practice

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<v Speaker 1>and play is Essential for Golf Improvement with Steve Scott, PGA.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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<v Speaker 1>great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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<v Speaker 1>raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve great, great to be with you, Fred, Thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You so much. We have so many different topics we

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<v Speaker 1>can go talk about here. Looking at your bio, You've

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<v Speaker 1>done so many different things in the golf world, and

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<v Speaker 1>usually I would start, where do you want to start? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>where would you like to go? Now, let's do it

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<v Speaker 1>this way. What is the Silver Club golfing society that

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<v Speaker 1>you founded?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, so I was a PGA profess I still

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<v Speaker 2>am a PGA professional. I was had the traditional head

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<v Speaker 2>professional role from two thousand and nine till the end

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty seventeen at a couple of clubs in New

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey and New York. And you know, ever since then,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been associated with a group called the Outpost Club,

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<v Speaker 2>and we created kind of a competitive version of the

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<v Speaker 2>Outpost Club. Basically just a bunch of golf officionados who

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<v Speaker 2>love the game. We basically set up really fun opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for our members to go and play great places in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of golf, whether it's you know, the Olympic Club,

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<v Speaker 2>East Lake, Oakmont, I mean, kind of the creme de

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<v Speaker 2>la creme, if you will, of the golf world. And

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<v Speaker 2>so we set up kind of yeah, we set up

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<v Speaker 2>really you know, kind of when we do some resorts

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<v Speaker 2>as well. We do some international trips. We went to

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<v Speaker 2>the Walker Cup in Scotland last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun, you know, we just we put together a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of fun things. Everybody in our group.

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<v Speaker 2>The Silver Club Golfing Society is a single digit handicap

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<v Speaker 2>our sister society, the Outpost Club. Anybody can can join that,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, you have to have a pretty passionate

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<v Speaker 2>love for the game. Architecturally significant courses, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a golf.

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<v Speaker 3>Nerd if you will, I guess, but not too nerdy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're talking to the right group here, because anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who's listening to this show, I have to believe, is

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<v Speaker 1>a complete golf nerd because we cover so many different

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<v Speaker 1>topics and so many different directions and people keep listening.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, I don't know what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about next, So thank you for sticking around. So

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<v Speaker 1>golf Nerds it is. Have you always been a fan

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<v Speaker 1>of golf architecture?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't, not forever, I would say, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I played for professionally for six years. I played professionally

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>had moderate success. I played in twenty PGA Tour events

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, one a couple of times in the

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly realized that my game was not up to the

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<v Speaker 2>snuff of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Tiger woodses of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, that being said, you know, I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to shift shift years.

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<v Speaker 3>I got married at a pretty young young.

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<v Speaker 2>Age to a great lady named Christy who's she's an

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<v Speaker 2>LPGA teaching professional herself, and you know, we've just always

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<v Speaker 2>been involved with the game, and so you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>natural progression was I, you know, I always wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be in golf. I love the game of golf, I

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<v Speaker 2>love competing, I love kind of sharing the game with

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<v Speaker 2>others and so, you know, in my travels, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a head pro in the met PGA

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<v Speaker 2>section in the New York Metropolitan area, I was at

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<v Speaker 2>a club called Paramount Country Club and it was a

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<v Speaker 2>course designed by a famous architect called aw Tilling has

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<v Speaker 2>to build a course on the private estate of the

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<v Speaker 2>Paramount Pictures founder Adolph Zucker back in nineteen twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>it was about thirty minutes northwest of New York City

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<v Speaker 2>in a city called New City, New York, in Rockland County.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, being in the METS section, you get

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to a lot of great golf courses. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest architects of the world. You know CB McDonald

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<v Speaker 2>and you know Tilling, Hass and then the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the modern you know, anybody really who is

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<v Speaker 2>anything in golf? Donald Ross for example. Obviously not nobody

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<v Speaker 2>of these are modern, but you know, not too many

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<v Speaker 2>modern courses I get in the New York area, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of built in the nineteen tens and.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenties and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, over time you start to develop a love

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, what makes golf cool. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like being a wine enthusiast, for example, and you start

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what makes wine good and certain years and

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<v Speaker 2>vintages are better than others, and so, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>start to get into that world in the golf world,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of cool to understand the history of

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<v Speaker 2>some of some places. And I live in Winston Salem,

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina now, and so I belonged to a course

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<v Speaker 2>called the Old Town Club. It was built in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, really the last golf course in the Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Age of architecture. And it was built by Perry Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 2>who built mainly courses in Oklahoma, Texas, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Colonial Country Club and you know places Prairie Dunes in.

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas. But he built Old Town.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was really because of the connection with Clifford

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<v Speaker 2>Roberts from Augusta National, the gentleman.

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<v Speaker 3>He was working with the R. J.

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<v Speaker 2>Reynolds Company, and he had a connection with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the founder, the head of R. J. Reynolds and said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, who should I get to build a golf

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<v Speaker 2>course here in Winston Salem, North Carolina. He said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Perry Maxwell. He's been doing some work at Augusta, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid to late in mid to late nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it just kind of worked out. And so anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of the routing of the golf course is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So over time, I guess, make a long story short,

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<v Speaker 2>I have become a golf architecture, you know, really just

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<v Speaker 2>an enthusiast and a lover of you know, what makes

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses cool?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the routing.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did the architect pick the way he did to

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<v Speaker 2>lay the golf course on the land that he did

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<v Speaker 2>that he had to work with, and it's really genius

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 3>And back then they didn't have.

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<v Speaker 2>All the technology they do now at their disposals, So

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<v Speaker 2>it makes it even more astounding that they built the

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses the way they did back then.

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<v Speaker 1>It really does when you think about what they have

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<v Speaker 1>available to him today and what they didn't have available

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<v Speaker 1>but still were able to make some courses that are

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<v Speaker 1>as challenging today as they were when they first open,

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<v Speaker 1>and probably even more.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, they just didn't have the earth

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<v Speaker 2>moving equipment which made the golf courses much more natural.

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<v Speaker 2>Back then, they had to picture the best properties because

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't able to move as much earth and which

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<v Speaker 2>makes the golf, which makes golf better because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it's not artificial. It's very natural looking. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the architects that are building golf courses nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>are really doing. So yeah, just there's so much love

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, the architect and the canvas that he

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<v Speaker 2>uses with the land that he has offered and or

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<v Speaker 2>she is offered. And so it's been pretty it's been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty neat to experience. I've probably you know, been to

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<v Speaker 2>or played two thirds of the country's top one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses. So very fortunate in that respect. At only

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven years of age, I've gotten around to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great places.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot more to go, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a lot of great experiences, you know, through

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<v Speaker 2>the Silver Club, through the Outpost Club, to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, see and experience and enjoy so many

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<v Speaker 2>of these these world's great golf greatest golf courses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I played last week. I went and visited a

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<v Speaker 1>friend in Maui, Hawaii, excuse me, and uh we played

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<v Speaker 1>a course, the Dunes at Maui Lani, which was designed

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<v Speaker 1>show multiple times. He grew up in the area where

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<v Speaker 1>I live now, Marine County, California, and he was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those architects that was like, let's just take the

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<v Speaker 1>land as it is and not do a lot of movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And this course is like the only link style course

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<v Speaker 1>in Mali, and it was tough, but it was really

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful the way he was able to just let the

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<v Speaker 1>let the ground, let the land take what the hole

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<v Speaker 1>was going to do, and made it incredibly challenging. It's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely it's kind of like going on a group tour

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<v Speaker 1>to a country where you don't speak the language, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just like, I need a local with me. Luckily

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<v Speaker 1>my friend lived there and played multiple times, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like needed to guide me through this course because if

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know where I was going, that little booklet

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<v Speaker 1>that explained where I was would not have helped at all. Right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>using the land the way it is in today, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to experience those courses, and there's so many courses

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<v Speaker 2>being built right now that are so remote and they're

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<v Speaker 2>becoming so popular. I mean, Bandon Dunes is very hard

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<v Speaker 2>to get to, and that's you know, relatively new. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there's there's courses. There's one being built in the

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<v Speaker 2>Orange Groves of central Florida, in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>south of Seabring, Florida, on a sandy ridge called High Grove.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be starting to be built. That one

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<v Speaker 2>is very very interesting. Gil Hans is building that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, there's just a lot of very remote places

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<v Speaker 1>you get too, but it's become I guess it's like

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<v Speaker 1>fret Boy Disneyland. It's like just guys wanting to spend

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an absolute joy. Have you been out to

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, yeah, awesome. So I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>your time as a not just a teaching professional, but

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<v Speaker 1>as a playing profession because you also wrote a book,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Tiger, you need to Move Your Mark Back, which

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<v Speaker 1>is such an amazing title. Give me a brief overview

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<v Speaker 1>as a taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, well, it really goes back to my experiences

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<v Speaker 2>playing in the nineteen ninety six US Amateur finals against

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was pretty serendipitous event for me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and twelve players start the US Amateur and

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<v Speaker 2>to think you could be in the final two, let

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<v Speaker 2>alone your opponent is arguably the greatest player who's ever lived, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so even at that time, at that time, he was

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<v Speaker 2>going for history. The day that we played was he

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<v Speaker 2>was going for three straight US Amateur championships. Nobody in

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<v Speaker 2>the history of golf had ever won three straight US Amateurs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean one hundreds be played one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four years now, I guess. So it's pretty amazing what

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<v Speaker 2>he did that day and how it all turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, just to make it to the finals

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<v Speaker 2>against him as a miraculous feat in itself. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was five up. There's the thirty six. The finals of

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<v Speaker 2>the US Amateur are thirty six holes. We went thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight holes, so two playoff holes on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>regulation time. But I was five up after eighteen holes

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<v Speaker 2>and shot two under par in the second eighteen I

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<v Speaker 2>played very well, but he just played lights out. He

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<v Speaker 2>shot seven under, and so we tied and went to

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<v Speaker 2>the second playoff hole where he beat me. But the

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<v Speaker 2>epic moment of the match, and where the book is entitled, is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, basically, I'm two up with three to play.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I win this particular holes, the thirty fourth

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<v Speaker 2>hole of the match. If I win this hole, I

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<v Speaker 2>win the match and I take away his history moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we both hit our drives down the fairway.

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<v Speaker 2>I hit my approach into the green side bunker and

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<v Speaker 2>his wedge approach he drove it fifty three yards past

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<v Speaker 2>me exactly, and his wedge approach went about six feet

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<v Speaker 2>from the hole. So I hit a bunker shot out.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't the greatest bunker shot, but not the worst. I

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<v Speaker 2>had about ten feet for park, so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>make my putt for par to force him to make

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<v Speaker 2>his to win the hole outright. Well, his ballmarker was

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<v Speaker 2>right in my line of putt, and so, like any

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<v Speaker 2>golfer does any day playing golf, Hey, would you just

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<v Speaker 2>move that butt ballmarker over one putter head so we

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<v Speaker 2>can have a free roll. And so he does, and

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<v Speaker 2>I went up there and I made my putt, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was very nervous and as you can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine in a moment like that, and hit the best

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<v Speaker 2>putt I could ever dead center the hole. Walking off

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<v Speaker 2>to the side of the green, and I had noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that he had put his ball down in the wrong spot,

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<v Speaker 2>and so basically I just turned my head to the

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<v Speaker 2>side and I saw it out of the corner of

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<v Speaker 2>my eye. I said, hey, Tiger, you got to you

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<v Speaker 2>got to move your mark back. And he he had forgotten.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if he would have played from the wrong spot,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have lost the hole. That is, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>rule in match play golf, and so the match would

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<v Speaker 2>have been over at that point. I would have won

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<v Speaker 2>three up with two to holes to play, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would have that would have been pretty been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy to win the US Amateur. But to win

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<v Speaker 2>it on a technicality like that, Uh, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily golf. It's the first rule of the game

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<v Speaker 2>is to play with integrity. And you know, I asked

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<v Speaker 2>him to move the mark over, so I should be

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<v Speaker 2>the one to remind him move it back as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And there have been instances in golf where, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the second part of that two part transaction did not

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<v Speaker 2>take place, and people do it those things on purpose sadly.

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<v Speaker 2>But for me and what I learned in the game

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<v Speaker 2>as a youngster, that moment was it was something it

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<v Speaker 2>was a reflex action for me. If you look back

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<v Speaker 2>on the YouTube video that's out there now, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it was just a it was a

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<v Speaker 2>reflex action. Like it was something I learned in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of burned into my idea at golf DNA,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's just what you do as a golfer.

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<v Speaker 2>You remind your opponent to move his mark back, You

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<v Speaker 2>help your opponent find their golf ball. You it's you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of your own police out there in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no referee blowing whistles or throwing flags, and so

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<v Speaker 2>golf is that gentleman's sport, gentlewoman's sport, and so you

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<v Speaker 2>you just do the right thing. And that's really what

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<v Speaker 2>that moment and that whole entire book was all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, congratulations on making it that far and congratulations are

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<v Speaker 1>your integrity, But I'm curious to know even in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, did Tiger have the intimidation factor that he

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<v Speaker 1>was known for when he made it to the tour

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<v Speaker 1>and just dominated the tour. When you walk out there

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, I'm playing Tiger Woods. The guy has

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<v Speaker 1>just won the last two Amateur Championships going for his

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<v Speaker 1>thirds the last round. Was he intimidating or was he

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<v Speaker 1>just a great guy to play with?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>And many more options than that.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very intimidating, for sure. I mean, given the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer length that he drove the golf ball in itself,

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<v Speaker 2>I think was very intimidating. But luckily for me, about

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<v Speaker 2>nine months prior to this, I was paired with him

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<v Speaker 2>in a collegiate event. He played for Stanford and I

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<v Speaker 2>played for the University of Florida, And that was a

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<v Speaker 2>really good break because that day, that first time I

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<v Speaker 2>played with him, I was very intimidated.

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<v Speaker 3>I was watching what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He was hitting shots that were just otherworldly, and so

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<v Speaker 2>really I made it a point and I shot in

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<v Speaker 2>that day, by the way, and he shot a seventy

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<v Speaker 2>The very first time we played wow. And so it

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely he threw me off my game. I was

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<v Speaker 2>I was not sharp, I was not focused on what

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to focus on. So the game plan going

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<v Speaker 2>into that US Amateur Final was to not watch him

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<v Speaker 2>hit a shot. And that's very difficult because he's very impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>He's amazing to watch. If any of your listeners, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>have ever seen him hit a golf ball in person,

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<v Speaker 2>the sound of his golf ball certainly I couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>away from that. But I just didn't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>caught up in his world. And so that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of that was the game plan that day that my

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend Christy now my wife for over twenty five years now,

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<v Speaker 2>who was cadding for me, which is another wrinkle in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole day because not many females actually caddied back then.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that, but you know, yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely intimidating, but and I had it. But I had

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<v Speaker 2>a game plan to kind of, you know, get out

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<v Speaker 2>of that intimidation factor.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, girlfriend caddy, then wife Caddy. Did she caddy for

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<v Speaker 1>you on the tour too.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit? Yes, yeah, she definitely, you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>full time. I mean I never had my PGA Tour card.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I've played a bunch of events and she's

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<v Speaker 2>caddied for me in both the Majors that I played

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<v Speaker 2>and the Masters in the US Open.

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<v Speaker 3>She's caddied for me in lots of events.

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<v Speaker 2>The very last PGA Tour event I played, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven now, so I played the Windham Championship on

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour in twenty nineteen through the Carolinas PGA

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<v Speaker 2>section where I reside now, and she caddied for me

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<v Speaker 2>there too, So might.

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<v Speaker 3>Be my last PG event. I hope not.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a chance to qualify for the PGA Championship

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<v Speaker 2>this next year, which is exciting, so I still compete.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still into the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's pretty neat to having somebody who knows

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<v Speaker 2>you and knows your game so well you'll be right

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<v Speaker 2>with with your step for step, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd always hope that whoever's caddying for you that they

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<v Speaker 1>know your game, especially at that level. But there's also

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<v Speaker 1>an element of husband, wife energy, even boyfriend girlfriend energy

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<v Speaker 1>that can I can imagine. I mean, like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even play golf with my wife, you know, She's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I play golf, and I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't picked up a club in five years. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>can go play nine holes. I said, well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going until you hit a bucket a ball. Now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to do that. It's like, okay, forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just you go for a hike, I'll go play golf.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be We'll all be fine. But how do you

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<v Speaker 1>avoid I mean, there's a couple of topics here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk about you and your wife. Your

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<v Speaker 1>wife caddying for you. How do you avoid that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tension that is natural for a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's we just we get along so well. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said earlier, she's an LPG teaching professional herself,

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<v Speaker 2>so she's into the game. She understands. She's not just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a wife that just goes shopping every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she understands, you know, everything that I go

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<v Speaker 2>through competitively. She played competitively at Florida Southern College and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, high school before that, and she didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>have any aspiration to turn professional. But yeah, it's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it could be trying at times if you

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<v Speaker 2>miss a whole bunch of cuts in a row and

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<v Speaker 2>you're not making a lot of money, and and you're

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<v Speaker 2>in all these strange cities, and you know sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>know hotel rooms and you don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, asking, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, what's the point that you say to her, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to get a different caddy next. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? I mean, how do you tell her

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<v Speaker 1>that you're fired?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's it's it's more you realize it

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<v Speaker 2>mutually when if you're not making you know, me as

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<v Speaker 2>the golfer, I'm not out there holding enough putts and

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<v Speaker 2>hitting enough good shots. I'm not making checks. So somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>got to make some guaranteed money. So that's probably what

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out to at some point. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>remember exactly when that happened, but it definitely happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it does. I'm sorry. I kind of find

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<v Speaker 1>that funny. Yeah, and baffling as well. But congratulations. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that you were able to make it work. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, there's so much talk about you. You then

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<v Speaker 1>have done a lot of golf media as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Right, I have, I have, I.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Because you're blessed with that incredible voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you, Yeah, maybe, uh fortunate in a

426
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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways. But you know, I measured in communications

427
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<v Speaker 2>in college, so I always kind of had a plan

428
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<v Speaker 2>when I missed a cut. When I played the Canadian Tour,

429
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<v Speaker 2>for example, and they were the Golf Channel was covering events,

430
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<v Speaker 2>I would I would work as an encourse reporter a

431
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<v Speaker 2>few times over the weekend, which was fun. I wanted

432
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<v Speaker 2>to get my foot into the door. I always I

433
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<v Speaker 2>always had a love for it. I mean, I'm a

434
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<v Speaker 2>golf nut. I watch golf all the time, probably too much,

435
00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:13.599
<v Speaker 2>but I've always kind of had that love for all

436
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the everything that goes on in covering a golf event. So,

437
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<v Speaker 2>you know, as a head professional in the mets section

438
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<v Speaker 2>back in I guess it was twenty seventeen, well, twenty

439
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:28.319
<v Speaker 2>sixteen is when I kind of got my first breaks.

440
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<v Speaker 2>The USGA event, the US Girls Junior was at a

441
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<v Speaker 2>club not too far away from where I was a

442
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<v Speaker 2>pro at, just over the border in New Jersey at

443
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Ridgewood Country Club, and they needed another person to cover

444
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the semi final match, and I knew somebody that got

445
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<v Speaker 2>me involved with it, and so I worked that and

446
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<v Speaker 2>I guess they liked what I did and so the

447
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<v Speaker 2>next year I did three events for Fox when they

448
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<v Speaker 2>had the eight events that they covered for the U S.

449
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<v Speaker 2>G A, and and then you know, I did that

450
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<v Speaker 2>for I did that for a couple of years. But

451
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<v Speaker 2>really I kind of saw it because as a head

452
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<v Speaker 2>pro in the in the summer, in a July for example,

453
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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of in the heat of the of the

454
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<v Speaker 2>golf season right there. And you know, I really had

455
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<v Speaker 2>the love for the broadcasting side, and I and I

456
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<v Speaker 2>my club was very kind that the owner of the

457
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.039
<v Speaker 2>club was very kind to let me go and you know,

458
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<v Speaker 2>spend three weeks essentially in the middle of the golf

459
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<v Speaker 2>season doing covering these events.

460
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<v Speaker 3>And I had this love for it.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I had this passion for it, and so yeah, that

462
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<v Speaker 2>that kind of led me to you know, shifting gears

463
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in my career and and opening up

464
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>the you know, additional opportunities to do broadcasting and and

465
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<v Speaker 2>nowadays really for the last three plus years, I've been

466
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<v Speaker 2>either an analyst in the booth or an en course

467
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<v Speaker 2>broadcaster for ESPN and PGA two or live and so

468
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing several events for them every year, and

469
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<v Speaker 2>so that's been a ton of fun and that platform

470
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<v Speaker 2>has blown up.

471
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<v Speaker 3>If anybody has seen that.

472
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've got four different channels, and I think

473
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<v Speaker 2>they'll there will be a fifth one this year with

474
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<v Speaker 2>an international feed that's fully staffed with a you know,

475
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<v Speaker 2>a host and an analyst and an en course reporter.

476
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's only going to be more coverage of

477
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the tour. So it's very exciting for me. I love,

478
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<v Speaker 2>you know, being out there in the you know, in

479
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<v Speaker 2>the mix, or learning about what the players are working

480
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<v Speaker 2>on with their coaches, or and then explaining that to

481
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<v Speaker 2>the viewer in a way that's not over their head

482
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<v Speaker 2>but in a way that you can, you know, it's

483
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<v Speaker 2>easily digestible and understandable, whether you're a twenty handicap or

484
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<v Speaker 2>a pro. I try to give all sorts of knowledge

485
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<v Speaker 2>levels and information during my during my coverage of an event.

486
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<v Speaker 1>So what makes golf unique and interesting on television is

487
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<v Speaker 1>the unique perspective that en course reporters and in the

488
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>booth people can bring to the game. Do you try

489
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<v Speaker 1>to find a niche for yourself as a broadcaster on

490
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<v Speaker 1>your perspective? Are you just talk well no, I for sure, No.

491
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<v Speaker 2>I think every every analyst out there, which I am.

492
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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, the host is kind of the one

493
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<v Speaker 2>that brings you in and out of commercial and kind

494
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>of sets up the analyst for you know, the color

495
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>of what's going on out there, getting inside the player's heads.

496
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for me as a PGA professional since

497
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven, shot, I'm going on, you know,

498
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<v Speaker 2>almost twenty you know, nearly twenty years of being a

499
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<v Speaker 2>PGA professional, and all the thousands of lessons that I've given,

500
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<v Speaker 2>I try to relay, you know, what the players are doing,

501
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, in their golf swings or you know, try

502
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to help them identify, help the viewer kind of easily

503
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>identify what sort of changes Like Exander Schafflee, for example,

504
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, for this last year and the great play

505
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 2>he had and two major championship victories, you know, what

506
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<v Speaker 2>did he do with his instructor, Chris Como in strengthening

507
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<v Speaker 2>in the club face at the top of the swing

508
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>that really helped him succeed in a greater level in

509
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four. I mean, those are the things that

510
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<v Speaker 2>I love passing on to the viewers who maybe don't

511
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 2>quite get all the inside knowledge. That's the fun part

512
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>for me. And you know, definitely my PGA professional side.

513
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<v Speaker 2>I bring that to bear for sure. You know, I'm

514
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<v Speaker 2>not a major champion. I'm not a Ryder Cup captain.

515
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not you know, probably not going to

516
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<v Speaker 2>be in the eighteenth tower for a major network. But

517
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<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody like me can serve a very good

518
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<v Speaker 2>role in you know, passing along really pertinent information, timely information,

519
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.400
<v Speaker 2>and being succynct with your thoughts, those things. If you

520
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 2>marry those things as an analyst, I think you'll nail it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's talk about the state of the game from

522
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>your perspective. How are we doing and where are we going?

523
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our question, that's a loaded question right there. You know,

524
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody really knows other than Jay Monahan

525
00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and those few people that are in those closed door

526
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 2>meetings right now, there hasn't been much to leak out

527
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>with which what going on between the Live Tour and

528
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the PGA tour. You know, your guess is kind of

529
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 2>as good as mine on that one. But I think

530
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 2>they're getting closer to something, you know, by some accounts.

531
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<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's a lot of there's a lot

532
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 2>of little things that everybody's trying to iron out, but

533
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>the golf world needs to get back together more than

534
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>just a few times during the major championship seasons.

535
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<v Speaker 3>You know, we need to we need to.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Get the best players on the same golf course, you know,

537
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<v Speaker 2>a dozen times a year, and that would I think

538
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that would be a win. I don't think it's going

539
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to be every week because I think there's you know,

540
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the Live Tour could continue in its team format.

541
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't know if the PGA Tour will

542
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.160
<v Speaker 3>ever go to a team format. I think that there's

543
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<v Speaker 3>just a lot of.

544
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<v Speaker 1>Things that you know, the two team events that the

545
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<v Speaker 1>presidents and Ryder country.

546
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 2>True, well, that's a bigger team. And then you know,

547
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>we have this TGL Golf that's going to be starting

548
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 2>up in early January. That's this indoor you know, golf

549
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>simulator sort of league, which is very interesting to me

550
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to see how that will all kind of shake itself out.

551
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I you know, some people are very skeptical about it

552
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 3>right now.

553
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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I think

554
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<v Speaker 2>that that's a you know, we've got four person teams

555
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of PGA Tour players and we're going to see We're

556
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<v Speaker 2>going to see a team aspect of some sort, you know,

557
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>through PGA tour players. So I think that's going to

558
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>be a very interesting addition to our Monday and Tuesday

559
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:01.559
<v Speaker 2>night lineups the first quarter of the year.

560
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, a decade or so, maybe even a

561
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<v Speaker 1>little more than that ago, when someone started a thing

562
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<v Speaker 1>called Twitch where people were just watching somebody play a

563
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>video game, and it's like, that's a dumb idea that exploded, right,

564
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>So watching people play video games has been proven to work,

565
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 1>so watching people play simulators may have some legs to it.

566
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just.

567
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<v Speaker 3>We're going to see, We're going to see.

568
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be it's a very interesting

569
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 2>concept and there's tremendous funds behind it. They built a

570
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 2>state of the art stadium, indoor golf stadium, if you will,

571
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:48.319
<v Speaker 2>that nobody has ever seen before, so you know, a

572
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<v Speaker 2>screen that's you know, twenty times the size of a

573
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<v Speaker 2>movie theater screen or something like that. So it's it's

574
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<v Speaker 2>going to be very unlike anything we've ever seen. Its

575
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<v Speaker 2>gonna be very very interesting. It's almost like they're hitting

576
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>shots into an Imax theater or something. It's it's gonna

577
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<v Speaker 2>be really interesting to see how it all plays.

578
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<v Speaker 3>Out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a place down in la I think it's

580
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Cosm is the name of it or something, But it's

581
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like a movie theater but for sports, and it

582
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>has this gigantic screen that it makes you feel like

583
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 1>your courts are at courtside an NBA game or you're

584
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<v Speaker 1>sitting in the end zone at a football game, and

585
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a bar, and do people go

586
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<v Speaker 1>to and watch. I can see how this could really

587
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<v Speaker 1>be attractive in many markets.

588
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 2>So it's a it's a very interesting concept, and yeah,

589
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 2>we'll see how it all shakes out.

590
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, you said your guess is as good as mine.

591
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, Steve. I think you're you're in it.

592
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 1>You talk to him, what's the buzz on the on

593
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>the on the grass? I mean what you've talked to players.

594
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>You get their sense of what's going on, and clearly

595
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you're saying they're as confused as all of us because

596
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the doors are closed in the cons are not public. Yeah,

597
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>what's the sense you get on both sides of And

598
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you talk to live players as well.

599
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 2>No, I really haven't, honestly, you know, I really think

600
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>the meetings have been extremely tight lipped. I mean not

601
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>even the golf insiders that have more insight than I do.

602
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, nobody's really shared anything. So it's you know,

603
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like I guess J Monahan said, you can't negotiate

604
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 2>out in public the way they're doing it and what

605
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 2>they have to do, all the little things, because the

606
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.119
<v Speaker 2>social media world will run rampant. I mean, they just can't.

607
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.279
<v Speaker 2>They can't let any little thing leak out, and so

608
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, hopefully it will have I don't. I'm

609
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 2>not seeing it's going to happen for the season of

610
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five.

611
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just getting too close. We have two

612
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>months to go.

613
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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think they're going to be able to

614
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>get enough things in order and in place, so it

615
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>might be an a year or so.

616
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows how far along they are and those

617
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 1>those meetings and what's going on, because it's amazing that

618
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>nothing's got leaked at this point. You'd think you'd get

619
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>something out there to find out what's going on. Huh,

620
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know.

621
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

622
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to know, but we'll deal with it at

623
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 1>the time. So let's let's talk about playing golf all right,

624
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>You're you're teaching pro, playing pro, You've seen a lot

625
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 1>of things. What do you feel is the state of

626
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>golf instruction these days?

627
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I think the state of golf instruction is is great.

628
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the the you know, there's there's

629
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>so many avenues for the quote unquote average player or

630
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>any player to consume golf instruction out there through the

631
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:58.359
<v Speaker 2>world of YouTube, through social media platforms that so many

632
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<v Speaker 2>of these teachers have and utilize. I think the so

633
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<v Speaker 2>so that's wonderful. I think as a student you have

634
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<v Speaker 2>to be very cautious though, because every teacher has their

635
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 2>own concepts, their own ideas, their own thoughts about what

636
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the swing should be. And there are so many different

637
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 2>ways to play golf. You can grip the club conventionally.

638
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 2>You can grip the club, you know, cross handed, you

639
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>can grip. You can put your right foot back when

640
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you make a back, I mean you can. You can

641
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 2>set up left and may hit a fade. You can

642
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>set up right and hit a draw, you know, as

643
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<v Speaker 2>a right I mean.

644
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>You can. There's so many ways to put I mean,

645
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>there's so many ways.

646
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>To get the ball into the hole. I think what

647
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 2>you have to do as a player with all of

648
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>this instruction is you have to find out what works

649
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 2>for you and then just stick along those lines because

650
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you are if you are somebody who

651
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:03.559
<v Speaker 2>who consumes golfing information and golf instruction out there, you

652
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 2>can get confused. I mean, you know the pages of

653
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 2>Golf Digest or Golf Magazine. I mean they've they very

654
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 2>often put you know, in consecutive.

655
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Pages on there on their in their magazine.

656
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 2>They have you know, in the past, they've put you know,

657
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>conflicting ways to do this or do that. But there

658
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.159
<v Speaker 2>are just so many ways to do it. And so

659
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, the more information you seek out as a

660
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 2>as a as a student can be good, but it

661
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>can also be you know, not so great because but

662
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you do have uh you know, the world of AI is.

663
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 3>Out there right now with golf instruction. Uh.

664
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't even need a golf teacher in

665
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.440
<v Speaker 2>some ways if you don't want one. I mean, you

666
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 2>can just video your swing and you know, the AI

667
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>will you know, tell you if your left arm is

668
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 2>too high, if your club face is too open. Uh,

669
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>there's it's very interesting what is out there. But I mean,

670
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>then you have all the launch monitors like track Man

671
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and flight scope and all of those things that help

672
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 2>tell you everything about your your swinging. It's almost information overload,

673
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 2>and so you have to really be selective, I think

674
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 2>as a student in what you seek out, because you

675
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:20.519
<v Speaker 2>can get confused. You can there are there's there's so

676
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 2>much information out there where twenty twenty five years ago

677
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 2>there was not, and so you know you have to

678
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>get you have to kind of pin down and maybe

679
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 2>you need some you know, get your local PGA professional too.

680
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're a member at a club or

681
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're at a public club or whatever, it doesn't matter.

682
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Seek out somebody who's you know, who you feel is knowledgeable,

683
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 2>or somebody in your area you feel like is knowledgeable

684
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>as a teacher or a golf professional, and you know,

685
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>ask them what they think too. They'll probably have a

686
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.039
<v Speaker 2>different answer than I will. But I think the best

687
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>and the best lesson I ever got, the best understanding, was,

688
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, find a golf teacher who you really connect with,

689
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 2>or a method you really connect with, and really dive

690
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 2>into that. And you know, don't jump here, jump there,

691
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>look for all these because you can get lost in

692
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the abyss of swing thoughts and swing instruction out there too.

693
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's a there's a lot of cautionary

694
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>tales out there, you know, whether it's the professional ranks

695
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 2>or just the average club player.

696
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>There is so much information. Like just recently, a few

697
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, a few episodes ago, we had g hay

698
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Lee with sports Box AI. Right, we talked to her

699
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and learned about how AI can monitor your swing and

700
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>give you suggestions, and you know, you find someone that

701
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>works for you and you stick with it. But I

702
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:57.679
<v Speaker 1>found and as a recreational golfer, not a competitive golfer,

703
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 1>but I found that it works for me for a

704
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>couple of rounds and then it's gone, it doesn't work,

705
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, now what do I do? I tweak here,

706
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 1>I tweak there. There's always there's always something going on

707
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that you've got to figure out. What am I? You know,

708
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.079
<v Speaker 1>how do I continue with that? Stay without without overdue?

709
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the answer to that is.

710
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, we're in the we're in the instant gratification

711
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 2>world here right, we have Amazon and we can go

712
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.719
<v Speaker 2>on our phone right now and press a button and

713
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, something can be at our door in an hour.

714
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Depending on where we live.

715
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 2>And you know, with this instant gratification world doesn't necessarily

716
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>exist in golf, it really doesn't. Being proficient at the

717
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 2>game of golf it is a it's a process. I mean,

718
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:46.719
<v Speaker 2>it's a you you have to have a very long

719
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 2>term mindset. If you want to be good at golf,

720
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.239
<v Speaker 2>you have to put lots of hours into it. And

721
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.719
<v Speaker 2>if you don't, then you know, you can be an

722
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>average player and have fun playing the game and you know,

723
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>shoot in the eighties or ninety or hunters or whatever

724
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you shoot, but you know, to really be proficient, you know.

725
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 2>For me, I've been a golf professional for you know,

726
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 2>since i was what twenty two years old, so for

727
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.320
<v Speaker 2>last twenty five years, you know, I've I've studied the game.

728
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.119
<v Speaker 3>I've I've perfected my own game.

729
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I've hit tens of thousands of golf balls, and I've

730
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 2>basically developed a golf swing and putting strokes that you know,

731
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.440
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty repeatable by this point, because I understand what

732
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>makes Mike swing tick. And so I try not to

733
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>stray too far from from those things that I've learned

734
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>over time, trying.

735
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Not to go too down too many rabbit holes.

736
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this about golf instruction. Is there

737
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say too much. Where is the

738
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>balance in instruction on swing mechanics and course management, because

739
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, we call the show golf Smarter. Yeah, and

740
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't necessarily mean work on you know, hit two

741
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred balls a day, you know, over and over and

742
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.199
<v Speaker 1>over with no instruction, just hitting the balls, going oh,

743
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 1>look at the ball flight, Look at the ball flight. Look.

744
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>But then you get out on the golf course and

745
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 1>you're not hitting off of a mat, you're not hitting

746
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 1>off of sandy grass, and you're not hitting off of

747
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 1>an uneven line, you're not hitting out of a you know,

748
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>course management being able to met to me is playing

749
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 1>golf versus hitting balls. Where do you find that balance?

750
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>And as an instructor, for you, how do you maintain

751
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 1>that balance and where do you what do you emphasize? Well?

752
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.039
<v Speaker 2>I think for me as a I still play tournaments,

753
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and so the closer I get to a tournament, the

754
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 2>more I want to play golf, the more I want

755
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 2>to be on the golf course. If there's something I'm

756
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.519
<v Speaker 2>working on in my swing, I'll spend a you know,

757
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.880
<v Speaker 2>if I have let's say, you know, five hours a

758
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.239
<v Speaker 2>week to work on my game and plus maybe a

759
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>round of golf. You know, I will, I will make

760
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.119
<v Speaker 2>sure that you know, if I'm not comfortable with something

761
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>like my grip or or my setup, I'll make sure

762
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I work on those things off the golf course. And

763
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.039
<v Speaker 2>then you know, once they get on the golf course though,

764
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.079
<v Speaker 2>you have to, you have to play golf.

765
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 3>You have to.

766
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>You have to adapt because you know, if you work

767
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>too much on the range, you have the flat lies,

768
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>like you said, and you have you're you're not adapting

769
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.039
<v Speaker 2>very well. And so the best the more that you

770
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 2>can play, honestly, if you if you have if you

771
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 2>can put put the the playing part more in the

772
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.679
<v Speaker 2>uh in the the positive ratio of the practicing to playing,

773
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 2>I think you're just going to get more out of

774
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>your game because you don't adapt on the on the

775
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.800
<v Speaker 2>practice tea. Let's face it, because you the the the

776
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 2>environment there just doesn't allow you to adapt. When you're

777
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 2>on the golf course, You're you're right, you're always trying

778
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 2>to figure out Okay, different wind direction on every whole.

779
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you know, the wind.

780
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>The turf, every lie is different, Uh, every scenario you

781
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 2>have seems to be different than the next. So the

782
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>more you play, the more golf shots that you develop

783
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and remember in your repertoire to where the next time

784
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>you go out you said, oh, I had a lie

785
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, you know two weeks ago that you have

786
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:12.880
<v Speaker 2>to you have to a lot to have a lot

787
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 2>of good recall memory like that, to remember what this

788
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 2>particular lie does to the golf ball, for example, where

789
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't have that on the practice tee. So you know,

790
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.800
<v Speaker 2>if it was me, the best year I ever had

791
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 2>playing golf was was that I can remember it was

792
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:27.719
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety six.

793
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 3>That year I played against Tiger.

794
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I played so much that year I can't remember even

795
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>practicing a lot. I just went out on the golf

796
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.039
<v Speaker 2>course and played and played and played, and that was me.

797
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Some people are very different. Bryson de Shamba, he says

798
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 2>when he's home, he doesn't play golf.

799
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 3>He practices golf, and that's it.

800
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>And so it just depends on your mindset and how

801
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you're you're kind of wired. But as a general rule,

802
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>you are going to learn a heck of a lot

803
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.840
<v Speaker 2>more about yourself and about your game when you can

804
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 2>devote more time on the course and less time on

805
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the practice team.

806
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can see that so as a not as

807
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>a golf instructor, but as a golfer, which I'm assuming

808
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the way you're talking, you've been playing most of your life.

809
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>You started out as a kid. Yep, what do you

810
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 1>what stands out to you as the best advice you've

811
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 1>ever received as a golfer?

812
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 3>Best advice?

813
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.679
<v Speaker 2>That's uh, I think I had.

814
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I had a great instructor. I was very fortunate.

815
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I met a gentleman by the name of Ray Daily

816
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 2>when I was ten years old and he gave me

817
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>lessons for about three years. He was a he was

818
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a you know, one of the old pros. He wore

819
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 2>the sans a belt, slacks, and he had played on

820
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 2>the tour back in the fifties. And uh, he taught me.

821
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>He didn't charge me a penny for the lessons he

822
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.760
<v Speaker 2>he caught. He taught me by the way, which was

823
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 2>unbelievable that would ever happened to it. But his name

824
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 2>was Ray Daily, lived in Pompino Beach, Florida, and was

825
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 2>just a huge impact for me. And the one lesson

826
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 2>that he gave me that I'll never forget as long

827
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 2>as I live, and it's the simplest thing for dialing

828
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 2>in your golf swing. You know, as you turn and

829
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 2>you go back to the top of the swing and

830
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.559
<v Speaker 2>then you come down your right hip. If you're a

831
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>right handed golfer, your right hip and your hands have

832
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 2>to get to the point of impact at the same time.

833
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you can do that, you'll time the strike

834
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.320
<v Speaker 2>up very well. So he always told me, said, Steve,

835
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>hip in hand together. And so that's kind of the thought.

836
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, if your arms, if your hands out race

837
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 2>your hips, you're not going to hit it well. If

838
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 2>your hips out race your hands, you're not going to

839
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>hit it that well. But it's that marriage of the

840
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.519
<v Speaker 2>lower body and the upper body in just a simple phrase,

841
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>hip in hand together.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was the best lesson I ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Got, interesting because that's mechanics, that swing mechanics, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's simple though.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is, but it's and it's effective and

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<v Speaker 1>it's in your head right. Like some of the best

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<v Speaker 1>advice that we've ever had on the show may have

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<v Speaker 1>come from a listener who knows where at the beginning is,

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<v Speaker 1>but we say never follow a bad shot with a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid shot, right. So now we're going back. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>back to course management and playing golf versus hitting a ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just so fascinated. I love that question, and

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<v Speaker 1>it always kind of throws people when I ask him that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the best advice? So let me ask him this

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<v Speaker 1>as an instructor, what's the best advice you've ever received.

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<v Speaker 2>As an instructor? I also learned as an instructor. I

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<v Speaker 2>learned from the great Bob Tosky founded the Golf Digest

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<v Speaker 2>schools with Jim Flick. And you know, Bob is still

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<v Speaker 2>He's still live and kicking. And I was almost one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred years old, Bob is and but he taught me,

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<v Speaker 2>this was probably about twenty years ago, that as a

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<v Speaker 2>right handed golfer, you know, your left arm, or your

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<v Speaker 2>lead arm as a golfer, is the master arm, and

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<v Speaker 2>your left hand, your lead hand, is the master hand.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to really understand that that that side of

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<v Speaker 2>your body needs to be controlling the club face more

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<v Speaker 2>than the right side or your trailing side of your

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<v Speaker 2>of your your body.

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<v Speaker 3>And once I learned.

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<v Speaker 2>That my golf ball behaved a lot better, I understood,

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<v Speaker 2>I understood how to grip the club better, which controlled

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<v Speaker 2>the club face better, which in turn controlled my golf

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<v Speaker 2>ball better. So it really all stemmed from, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the left arm and the lead arm being the master arm.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating Steve Scott s c O t TPGA dot com

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<v Speaker 1>right yep. And then on social media find you at

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Scott PGA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, s S Scott PGA on on Instagram and

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<v Speaker 2>the X. And you know, there's a really neat, neat

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<v Speaker 2>thing though that you know, if as we're as we're going,

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<v Speaker 2>can I can I just add this? So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>really as you know, in the broadcasting world. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we've got you know, the Silver Club Golfing Society, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing a lot of broadcasting with ESPN. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the other great things that I'm doing is I'm involved

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<v Speaker 2>with it with a group called Whole nineteen. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really it's a neat new venture if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a gentleman by the name of Mac Barnhardt and

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<v Speaker 2>a lady by the name of Rose Lanham have have

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<v Speaker 2>created this kind of a speaker's form, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>called Speakers for Good and this Whole nineteen part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So Mac and Bros.

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<v Speaker 2>They're involved with a lot of a lot of great

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<v Speaker 2>people in the game, from Lucas Glover to Joey D

896
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<v Speaker 2>who is the great fitness trainer for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA two players in the in the Jupiter Palm

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<v Speaker 2>Beach area.

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<v Speaker 1>Who we just had on re there we go.

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<v Speaker 3>See as Joey D's you know, he's on our podcasts.

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<v Speaker 3>He's famous, right, But you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And so and so what we're doing, we're creating it,

903
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<v Speaker 2>you know, with with the likes of myself and others,

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<v Speaker 2>creating really neat opportunities for for you know, companies, corporations

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<v Speaker 2>within whether it's PGA tour events or whatnot, to have

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<v Speaker 2>a really kind of unique, you know, kind of boutique experience,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will. Let's say, for example, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>small group of people involved in a in a company

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<v Speaker 2>and they wanted to have an inside look of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what were the players going through, and so like I

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<v Speaker 2>could walk around with a small group of people during

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<v Speaker 2>nine holes of a PGA Tour event and give them,

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<v Speaker 2>uh the insight to what what is going on in

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour players heads, for example, and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>give them the the inside track. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>all these pro ams on Wednesday at a PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>event and the players get to interact sometimes with the

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<v Speaker 2>the golf professional out there, depending on how outgoing or

919
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<v Speaker 2>they are or not. But you know, they don't always

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<v Speaker 2>get all the inside information out there to what they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing when they're doing it. And so you know what this,

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<v Speaker 2>what our Whole nineteen group can offer is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just a neat kind of inside the experience in a way,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an elevated VIP experience if you will to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, go and you know, really you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>involved with these corporations and these companies who want to

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<v Speaker 2>be involved with golf, and you know, we could have

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<v Speaker 2>a day and they could get trained by Joey d

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<v Speaker 2>We could you know, I could go play golf with them.

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<v Speaker 3>We could I could fix their.

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<v Speaker 2>Slice, and then we could go out to a tour

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<v Speaker 2>event you know, in the area and and you know

933
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<v Speaker 2>watch and get the inside scoop of what the players

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<v Speaker 2>are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>There.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of cool opportunities that are being created with

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<v Speaker 2>with Whole nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just wanted to share that with you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, and how do we find that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you'd be able to find that on playersfourgod dot

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<v Speaker 2>com and look through there and and reach out to

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<v Speaker 2>Rose and and we can get some good information on

943
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<v Speaker 2>the whole nineteen and uh and get involved with that

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<v Speaker 2>awesome Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really been fascinating to talk to you, hear your story.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sharing some incredible stories and some incredible

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<v Speaker 1>insights and lessons. Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's really really great to be with you, Fred.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, just sharing all the fun information and the

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<v Speaker 2>fun anything golf.

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<v Speaker 3>I can talk all day about