Speaker 1: Hello. So this is Richard Gates from Athamston Cree and
Speaker 1: I'll play at Mouse Great Golf.
Speaker 2: This is the Golf Smarter Podcast, episode number nine seventy nine.
Speaker 2: You know, if I'm not comfortable with something like my
Speaker 2: grip or my setup, I'll make sure I work on
Speaker 2: those things off the golf course. You know, once they
Speaker 2: get on the golf course though, you have to play golf.
Speaker 3: You have to adapt because you know, if you.
Speaker 2: Work too much on the range, you're not adapting very well.
Speaker 2: If you can put the playing part more in the
Speaker 2: positive ratio, I think you're just going to get more
Speaker 2: out of your game because you don't adapt on the
Speaker 2: practice tee. Let's face it, the environment there just doesn't
Speaker 2: allow you to adapt.
Speaker 3: When you're on the golf.
Speaker 2: Course, you're always trying to figure out Okay, different wind
Speaker 2: direction on every hole, the win the turf, every lie
Speaker 2: is different, every scenario you have seems to be different
Speaker 2: than the next. So the more you play, the more
Speaker 2: golf shots that you develop and remember in your repertoire
Speaker 2: to the next time you go, oh wow, so oh
Speaker 2: I had a lie like that two weeks ago. That
Speaker 2: you have to you have to a lot to have
Speaker 2: a lot of good recall memory to remember what this
Speaker 2: particular lie does to the golf ball, where you don't
Speaker 2: have that on the practice team.
Speaker 1: With this episode, we launch our twentieth year balancing Practice
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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from
Speaker 1: great golf minds to help you lower your score and
Speaker 1: raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Golf Smarter Podcast.
Speaker 3: Steve great, great to be with you, Fred, Thank.
Speaker 1: You so much. We have so many different topics we
Speaker 1: can go talk about here. Looking at your bio, You've
Speaker 1: done so many different things in the golf world, and
Speaker 1: usually I would start, where do you want to start? Actually,
Speaker 1: where would you like to go? Now, let's do it
Speaker 1: this way. What is the Silver Club golfing society that
Speaker 1: you founded?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, well, so I was a PGA profess I still
Speaker 2: am a PGA professional. I was had the traditional head
Speaker 2: professional role from two thousand and nine till the end
Speaker 2: of twenty seventeen at a couple of clubs in New
Speaker 2: Jersey and New York. And you know, ever since then,
Speaker 2: I've been associated with a group called the Outpost Club,
Speaker 2: and we created kind of a competitive version of the
Speaker 2: Outpost Club. Basically just a bunch of golf officionados who
Speaker 2: love the game. We basically set up really fun opportunities
Speaker 2: for our members to go and play great places in
Speaker 2: the world of golf, whether it's you know, the Olympic Club,
Speaker 2: East Lake, Oakmont, I mean, kind of the creme de
Speaker 2: la creme, if you will, of the golf world. And
Speaker 2: so we set up kind of yeah, we set up
Speaker 2: really you know, kind of when we do some resorts
Speaker 2: as well. We do some international trips. We went to
Speaker 2: the Walker Cup in Scotland last year.
Speaker 3: Fun, you know, we just we put together a lot
Speaker 3: of fun things. Everybody in our group.
Speaker 2: The Silver Club Golfing Society is a single digit handicap
Speaker 2: our sister society, the Outpost Club. Anybody can can join that,
Speaker 2: but you know, you have to have a pretty passionate
Speaker 2: love for the game. Architecturally significant courses, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of a golf.
Speaker 3: Nerd if you will, I guess, but not too nerdy.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking to the right group here, because anybody
Speaker 1: who's listening to this show, I have to believe, is
Speaker 1: a complete golf nerd because we cover so many different
Speaker 1: topics and so many different directions and people keep listening.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know what we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about next, So thank you for sticking around. So
Speaker 1: golf Nerds it is. Have you always been a fan
Speaker 1: of golf architecture?
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't, not forever, I would say, so.
Speaker 2: I played for professionally for six years. I played professionally
Speaker 2: from the nineteen ninety nine to two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: had moderate success. I played in twenty PGA Tour events
Speaker 2: in my life, one a couple of times in the
Speaker 2: Canadian Tour.
Speaker 3: But you know, I.
Speaker 2: Quickly realized that my game was not up to the
Speaker 2: snuff of the.
Speaker 3: Tiger woodses of the world.
Speaker 2: So, you know, that being said, you know, I decided
Speaker 2: to shift shift years.
Speaker 3: I got married at a pretty young young.
Speaker 2: Age to a great lady named Christy who's she's an
Speaker 2: LPGA teaching professional herself, and you know, we've just always
Speaker 2: been involved with the game, and so you know, the
Speaker 2: natural progression was I, you know, I always wanted to
Speaker 2: be in golf. I love the game of golf, I
Speaker 2: love competing, I love kind of sharing the game with
Speaker 2: others and so, you know, in my travels, I mean
Speaker 2: when I was a head pro in the met PGA
Speaker 2: section in the New York Metropolitan area, I was at
Speaker 2: a club called Paramount Country Club and it was a
Speaker 2: course designed by a famous architect called aw Tilling has
Speaker 2: to build a course on the private estate of the
Speaker 2: Paramount Pictures founder Adolph Zucker back in nineteen twenty and
Speaker 2: it was about thirty minutes northwest of New York City
Speaker 2: in a city called New City, New York, in Rockland County.
Speaker 2: And you know, being in the METS section, you get
Speaker 2: exposed to a lot of great golf courses. You know,
Speaker 2: the greatest architects of the world. You know CB McDonald
Speaker 2: and you know Tilling, Hass and then the you know,
Speaker 2: even in the modern you know, anybody really who is
Speaker 2: anything in golf? Donald Ross for example. Obviously not nobody
Speaker 2: of these are modern, but you know, not too many
Speaker 2: modern courses I get in the New York area, a
Speaker 2: lot of built in the nineteen tens and.
Speaker 3: Twenties and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, over time you start to develop a love
Speaker 2: for you know, what makes golf cool. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like being a wine enthusiast, for example, and you start
Speaker 2: to understand what makes wine good and certain years and
Speaker 2: vintages are better than others, and so, you know, you
Speaker 2: start to get into that world in the golf world,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of cool to understand the history of
Speaker 2: some of some places. And I live in Winston Salem,
Speaker 2: North Carolina now, and so I belonged to a course
Speaker 2: called the Old Town Club. It was built in nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty nine, really the last golf course in the Golden
Speaker 2: Age of architecture. And it was built by Perry Maxwell,
Speaker 2: who built mainly courses in Oklahoma, Texas, like you know,
Speaker 2: Colonial Country Club and you know places Prairie Dunes in.
Speaker 3: Kansas. But he built Old Town.
Speaker 2: And it was really because of the connection with Clifford
Speaker 2: Roberts from Augusta National, the gentleman.
Speaker 3: He was working with the R. J.
Speaker 2: Reynolds Company, and he had a connection with you know,
Speaker 2: the founder, the head of R. J. Reynolds and said,
Speaker 2: you know, who should I get to build a golf
Speaker 2: course here in Winston Salem, North Carolina. He said, oh,
Speaker 2: Perry Maxwell. He's been doing some work at Augusta, you know,
Speaker 2: in the mid to late in mid to late nineteen thirties,
Speaker 2: and so it just kind of worked out. And so anyway,
Speaker 2: it's kind of the routing of the golf course is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So over time, I guess, make a long story short,
Speaker 2: I have become a golf architecture, you know, really just
Speaker 2: an enthusiast and a lover of you know, what makes
Speaker 2: golf courses cool?
Speaker 3: I mean the routing.
Speaker 2: Why did the architect pick the way he did to
Speaker 2: lay the golf course on the land that he did
Speaker 2: that he had to work with, and it's really genius
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: And back then they didn't have.
Speaker 2: All the technology they do now at their disposals, So
Speaker 2: it makes it even more astounding that they built the
Speaker 2: golf courses the way they did back then.
Speaker 1: It really does when you think about what they have
Speaker 1: available to him today and what they didn't have available
Speaker 1: but still were able to make some courses that are
Speaker 1: as challenging today as they were when they first open,
Speaker 1: and probably even more.
Speaker 3: So, oh no doubt.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they just didn't have the earth
Speaker 2: moving equipment which made the golf courses much more natural.
Speaker 2: Back then, they had to picture the best properties because
Speaker 2: they weren't able to move as much earth and which
Speaker 2: makes the golf, which makes golf better because it doesn't
Speaker 2: it's not artificial. It's very natural looking. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what the architects that are building golf courses nowadays
Speaker 2: are really doing. So yeah, just there's so much love
Speaker 2: for you know, the architect and the canvas that he
Speaker 2: uses with the land that he has offered and or
Speaker 2: she is offered. And so it's been pretty it's been
Speaker 2: pretty neat to experience. I've probably you know, been to
Speaker 2: or played two thirds of the country's top one hundred
Speaker 2: golf courses. So very fortunate in that respect. At only
Speaker 2: forty seven years of age, I've gotten around to a
Speaker 2: lot of great places.
Speaker 3: So a lot more to go, but.
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of great experiences, you know, through
Speaker 2: the Silver Club, through the Outpost Club, to be able
Speaker 2: to you know, see and experience and enjoy so many
Speaker 2: of these these world's great golf greatest golf courses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played last week. I went and visited a
Speaker 1: friend in Maui, Hawaii, excuse me, and uh we played
Speaker 1: a course, the Dunes at Maui Lani, which was designed
Speaker 1: by the late Robin Nelson and Robin was on the
Speaker 1: show multiple times. He grew up in the area where
Speaker 1: I live now, Marine County, California, and he was one
Speaker 1: of those architects that was like, let's just take the
Speaker 1: land as it is and not do a lot of movement.
Speaker 1: And this course is like the only link style course
Speaker 1: in Mali, and it was tough, but it was really
Speaker 1: beautiful the way he was able to just let the
Speaker 1: let the ground, let the land take what the hole
Speaker 1: was going to do, and made it incredibly challenging. It's
Speaker 1: definitely it's kind of like going on a group tour
Speaker 1: to a country where you don't speak the language, and
Speaker 1: you just like, I need a local with me. Luckily
Speaker 1: my friend lived there and played multiple times, and it's
Speaker 1: like needed to guide me through this course because if
Speaker 1: I didn't know where I was going, that little booklet
Speaker 1: that explained where I was would not have helped at all. Right, right,
Speaker 1: using the land the way it is in today, you know,
Speaker 1: with having all that earth mover equipment and not needing
Speaker 1: it was really spectacular.
Speaker 2: Need to experience those courses, and there's so many courses
Speaker 2: being built right now that are so remote and they're
Speaker 2: becoming so popular. I mean, Bandon Dunes is very hard
Speaker 2: to get to, and that's you know, relatively new. I
Speaker 2: mean there's there's courses. There's one being built in the
Speaker 2: Orange Groves of central Florida, in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 2: south of Seabring, Florida, on a sandy ridge called High Grove.
Speaker 2: It's going to be starting to be built. That one
Speaker 2: is very very interesting. Gil Hans is building that one.
Speaker 2: So anyway, there's just a lot of very remote places
Speaker 2: being built now that are it's really interesting where they're
Speaker 2: finding this land and the perfect property.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've played Bandon Dunes a couple of times. Luckily,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on the west coast, so it's not
Speaker 1: as difficult to get to, but it's still difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you get too, but it's become I guess it's like
Speaker 1: fret Boy Disneyland. It's like just guys wanting to spend
Speaker 1: days doing nothing but golf and talking about it and playing.
Speaker 1: But it's an absolute joy. Have you been out to
Speaker 1: Bandon Nuts.
Speaker 3: I have, I have. I was there yea in twenty
Speaker 3: just about a year ago.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, yeah, awesome. So I want to talk about
Speaker 1: your time as a not just a teaching professional, but
Speaker 1: as a playing profession because you also wrote a book,
Speaker 1: Hey Tiger, you need to Move Your Mark Back, which
Speaker 1: is such an amazing title. Give me a brief overview
Speaker 1: as a taste.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, well, it really goes back to my experiences
Speaker 2: playing in the nineteen ninety six US Amateur finals against
Speaker 2: the great Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty serendipitous event for me. I mean,
Speaker 2: three hundred and twelve players start the US Amateur and
Speaker 2: to think you could be in the final two, let
Speaker 2: alone your opponent is arguably the greatest player who's ever lived, right,
Speaker 2: so even at that time, at that time, he was
Speaker 2: going for history. The day that we played was he
Speaker 2: was going for three straight US Amateur championships. Nobody in
Speaker 2: the history of golf had ever won three straight US Amateurs.
Speaker 2: I mean one hundreds be played one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: four years now, I guess. So it's pretty amazing what
Speaker 2: he did that day and how it all turned out.
Speaker 2: But you know, just to make it to the finals
Speaker 2: against him as a miraculous feat in itself. But I
Speaker 2: was five up. There's the thirty six. The finals of
Speaker 2: the US Amateur are thirty six holes. We went thirty
Speaker 2: eight holes, so two playoff holes on top of the
Speaker 2: regulation time. But I was five up after eighteen holes
Speaker 2: and shot two under par in the second eighteen I
Speaker 2: played very well, but he just played lights out. He
Speaker 2: shot seven under, and so we tied and went to
Speaker 2: the second playoff hole where he beat me. But the
Speaker 2: epic moment of the match, and where the book is entitled, is,
Speaker 2: you know, basically, I'm two up with three to play.
Speaker 2: So if I win this particular holes, the thirty fourth
Speaker 2: hole of the match. If I win this hole, I
Speaker 2: win the match and I take away his history moment.
Speaker 2: And so we both hit our drives down the fairway.
Speaker 2: I hit my approach into the green side bunker and
Speaker 2: his wedge approach he drove it fifty three yards past
Speaker 2: me exactly, and his wedge approach went about six feet
Speaker 2: from the hole. So I hit a bunker shot out.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the greatest bunker shot, but not the worst. I
Speaker 2: had about ten feet for park, so I had to
Speaker 2: make my putt for par to force him to make
Speaker 2: his to win the hole outright. Well, his ballmarker was
Speaker 2: right in my line of putt, and so, like any
Speaker 2: golfer does any day playing golf, Hey, would you just
Speaker 2: move that butt ballmarker over one putter head so we
Speaker 2: can have a free roll. And so he does, and
Speaker 2: I went up there and I made my putt, and
Speaker 2: you know, it was very nervous and as you can
Speaker 2: imagine in a moment like that, and hit the best
Speaker 2: putt I could ever dead center the hole. Walking off
Speaker 2: to the side of the green, and I had noticed
Speaker 2: that he had put his ball down in the wrong spot,
Speaker 2: and so basically I just turned my head to the
Speaker 2: side and I saw it out of the corner of
Speaker 2: my eye. I said, hey, Tiger, you got to you
Speaker 2: got to move your mark back. And he he had forgotten.
Speaker 2: And so if he would have played from the wrong spot,
Speaker 2: he would have lost the hole. That is, that's the
Speaker 2: rule in match play golf, and so the match would
Speaker 2: have been over at that point. I would have won
Speaker 2: three up with two to holes to play, and uh,
Speaker 2: and that would have that would have been pretty been
Speaker 2: pretty crazy to win the US Amateur. But to win
Speaker 2: it on a technicality like that, Uh, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily golf. It's the first rule of the game
Speaker 2: is to play with integrity. And you know, I asked
Speaker 2: him to move the mark over, so I should be
Speaker 2: the one to remind him move it back as well.
Speaker 2: And there have been instances in golf where, you know,
Speaker 2: the second part of that two part transaction did not
Speaker 2: take place, and people do it those things on purpose sadly.
Speaker 2: But for me and what I learned in the game
Speaker 2: as a youngster, that moment was it was something it
Speaker 2: was a reflex action for me. If you look back
Speaker 2: on the YouTube video that's out there now, I mean
Speaker 2: it's you know, it was just a it was a
Speaker 2: reflex action. Like it was something I learned in the game.
Speaker 2: It was kind of burned into my idea at golf DNA,
Speaker 2: and so that's just what you do as a golfer.
Speaker 2: You remind your opponent to move his mark back, You
Speaker 2: help your opponent find their golf ball. You it's you're
Speaker 2: kind of your own police out there in a way.
Speaker 2: There's no referee blowing whistles or throwing flags, and so
Speaker 2: golf is that gentleman's sport, gentlewoman's sport, and so you
Speaker 2: you just do the right thing. And that's really what
Speaker 2: that moment and that whole entire book was all about.
Speaker 1: Well, congratulations on making it that far and congratulations are
Speaker 1: your integrity, But I'm curious to know even in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six, did Tiger have the intimidation factor that he
Speaker 1: was known for when he made it to the tour
Speaker 1: and just dominated the tour. When you walk out there
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm playing Tiger Woods. The guy has
Speaker 1: just won the last two Amateur Championships going for his
Speaker 1: thirds the last round. Was he intimidating or was he
Speaker 1: just a great guy to play with?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: And many more options than that.
Speaker 2: He was very intimidating, for sure. I mean, given the
Speaker 2: sheer length that he drove the golf ball in itself,
Speaker 2: I think was very intimidating. But luckily for me, about
Speaker 2: nine months prior to this, I was paired with him
Speaker 2: in a collegiate event. He played for Stanford and I
Speaker 2: played for the University of Florida, And that was a
Speaker 2: really good break because that day, that first time I
Speaker 2: played with him, I was very intimidated.
Speaker 3: I was watching what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He was hitting shots that were just otherworldly, and so
Speaker 2: really I made it a point and I shot in
Speaker 2: that day, by the way, and he shot a seventy
Speaker 2: The very first time we played wow. And so it
Speaker 2: was definitely he threw me off my game. I was
Speaker 2: I was not sharp, I was not focused on what
Speaker 2: I needed to focus on. So the game plan going
Speaker 2: into that US Amateur Final was to not watch him
Speaker 2: hit a shot. And that's very difficult because he's very impressive.
Speaker 2: He's amazing to watch. If any of your listeners, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: have ever seen him hit a golf ball in person,
Speaker 2: the sound of his golf ball certainly I couldn't get
Speaker 2: away from that. But I just didn't want to get
Speaker 2: caught up in his world. And so that was kind
Speaker 2: of that was the game plan that day that my
Speaker 2: girlfriend Christy now my wife for over twenty five years now,
Speaker 2: who was cadding for me, which is another wrinkle in
Speaker 2: the whole day because not many females actually caddied back then.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but you know, yeah, he was
Speaker 2: definitely intimidating, but and I had it. But I had
Speaker 2: a game plan to kind of, you know, get out
Speaker 2: of that intimidation factor.
Speaker 1: Okay, girlfriend caddy, then wife Caddy. Did she caddy for
Speaker 1: you on the tour too.
Speaker 2: A little bit? Yes, yeah, she definitely, you know, not
Speaker 2: full time. I mean I never had my PGA Tour card.
Speaker 2: But but I've played a bunch of events and she's
Speaker 2: caddied for me in both the Majors that I played
Speaker 2: and the Masters in the US Open.
Speaker 3: She's caddied for me in lots of events.
Speaker 2: The very last PGA Tour event I played, I mean
Speaker 2: forty seven now, so I played the Windham Championship on
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour in twenty nineteen through the Carolinas PGA
Speaker 2: section where I reside now, and she caddied for me
Speaker 2: there too, So might.
Speaker 3: Be my last PG event. I hope not.
Speaker 2: I've got a chance to qualify for the PGA Championship
Speaker 2: this next year, which is exciting, so I still compete.
Speaker 3: I'm still into the game.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's pretty neat to having somebody who knows
Speaker 2: you and knows your game so well you'll be right
Speaker 2: with with your step for step, well, yeah.
Speaker 1: You'd always hope that whoever's caddying for you that they
Speaker 1: know your game, especially at that level. But there's also
Speaker 1: an element of husband, wife energy, even boyfriend girlfriend energy
Speaker 1: that can I can imagine. I mean, like, I can't
Speaker 1: even play golf with my wife, you know, She's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I you know, I play golf, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: haven't picked up a club in five years. Well, we
Speaker 1: can go play nine holes. I said, well, I'm not
Speaker 1: going until you hit a bucket a ball. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do that. It's like, okay, forget it.
Speaker 1: We're just you go for a hike, I'll go play golf.
Speaker 1: We'll be We'll all be fine. But how do you
Speaker 1: avoid I mean, there's a couple of topics here, but
Speaker 1: I want to talk about you and your wife. Your
Speaker 1: wife caddying for you. How do you avoid that kind
Speaker 1: of tension that is natural for a couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we just we get along so well. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, she's an LPG teaching professional herself,
Speaker 2: so she's into the game. She understands. She's not just
Speaker 2: you know, a wife that just goes shopping every day.
Speaker 2: I mean, she understands, you know, everything that I go
Speaker 2: through competitively. She played competitively at Florida Southern College and
Speaker 2: you know, high school before that, and she didn't really
Speaker 2: have any aspiration to turn professional. But yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it could be trying at times if you
Speaker 2: miss a whole bunch of cuts in a row and
Speaker 2: you're not making a lot of money, and and you're
Speaker 2: in all these strange cities, and you know sometimes you
Speaker 2: know hotel rooms and you don't want to be in
Speaker 2: and yeah, asking, oh.
Speaker 1: Gosh, what's the point that you say to her, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a different caddy next. How do
Speaker 1: you do that? I mean, how do you tell her
Speaker 1: that you're fired?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's it's it's more you realize it
Speaker 2: mutually when if you're not making you know, me as
Speaker 2: the golfer, I'm not out there holding enough putts and
Speaker 2: hitting enough good shots. I'm not making checks. So somebody's
Speaker 2: got to make some guaranteed money. So that's probably what
Speaker 2: it turned out to at some point. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: remember exactly when that happened, but it definitely happened.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it does. I'm sorry. I kind of find
Speaker 1: that funny. Yeah, and baffling as well. But congratulations. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you were able to make it work. Wow,
Speaker 1: let's see, there's so much talk about you. You then
Speaker 1: have done a lot of golf media as.
Speaker 3: Well, Right, I have, I have, I.
Speaker 1: Because you're blessed with that incredible voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Yeah, maybe, uh fortunate in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways. But you know, I measured in communications
Speaker 2: in college, so I always kind of had a plan
Speaker 2: when I missed a cut. When I played the Canadian Tour,
Speaker 2: for example, and they were the Golf Channel was covering events,
Speaker 2: I would I would work as an encourse reporter a
Speaker 2: few times over the weekend, which was fun. I wanted
Speaker 2: to get my foot into the door. I always I
Speaker 2: always had a love for it. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 2: golf nut. I watch golf all the time, probably too much,
Speaker 2: but I've always kind of had that love for all
Speaker 2: the everything that goes on in covering a golf event. So,
Speaker 2: you know, as a head professional in the mets section
Speaker 2: back in I guess it was twenty seventeen, well, twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen is when I kind of got my first breaks.
Speaker 2: The USGA event, the US Girls Junior was at a
Speaker 2: club not too far away from where I was a
Speaker 2: pro at, just over the border in New Jersey at
Speaker 2: Ridgewood Country Club, and they needed another person to cover
Speaker 2: the semi final match, and I knew somebody that got
Speaker 2: me involved with it, and so I worked that and
Speaker 2: I guess they liked what I did and so the
Speaker 2: next year I did three events for Fox when they
Speaker 2: had the eight events that they covered for the U S.
Speaker 2: G A, and and then you know, I did that
Speaker 2: for I did that for a couple of years. But
Speaker 2: really I kind of saw it because as a head
Speaker 2: pro in the in the summer, in a July for example,
Speaker 2: you're kind of in the heat of the of the
Speaker 2: golf season right there. And you know, I really had
Speaker 2: the love for the broadcasting side, and I and I
Speaker 2: my club was very kind that the owner of the
Speaker 2: club was very kind to let me go and you know,
Speaker 2: spend three weeks essentially in the middle of the golf
Speaker 2: season doing covering these events.
Speaker 3: And I had this love for it.
Speaker 2: I had this passion for it, and so yeah, that
Speaker 2: that kind of led me to you know, shifting gears
Speaker 2: a little bit in my career and and opening up
Speaker 2: the you know, additional opportunities to do broadcasting and and
Speaker 2: nowadays really for the last three plus years, I've been
Speaker 2: either an analyst in the booth or an en course
Speaker 2: broadcaster for ESPN and PGA two or live and so
Speaker 2: I've been doing several events for them every year, and
Speaker 2: so that's been a ton of fun and that platform
Speaker 2: has blown up.
Speaker 3: If anybody has seen that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got four different channels, and I think
Speaker 2: they'll there will be a fifth one this year with
Speaker 2: an international feed that's fully staffed with a you know,
Speaker 2: a host and an analyst and an en course reporter.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's only going to be more coverage of
Speaker 2: the tour. So it's very exciting for me. I love,
Speaker 2: you know, being out there in the you know, in
Speaker 2: the mix, or learning about what the players are working
Speaker 2: on with their coaches, or and then explaining that to
Speaker 2: the viewer in a way that's not over their head
Speaker 2: but in a way that you can, you know, it's
Speaker 2: easily digestible and understandable, whether you're a twenty handicap or
Speaker 2: a pro. I try to give all sorts of knowledge
Speaker 2: levels and information during my during my coverage of an event.
Speaker 1: So what makes golf unique and interesting on television is
Speaker 1: the unique perspective that en course reporters and in the
Speaker 1: booth people can bring to the game. Do you try
Speaker 1: to find a niche for yourself as a broadcaster on
Speaker 1: your perspective? Are you just talk well no, I for sure, No.
Speaker 2: I think every every analyst out there, which I am.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, the host is kind of the one
Speaker 2: that brings you in and out of commercial and kind
Speaker 2: of sets up the analyst for you know, the color
Speaker 2: of what's going on out there, getting inside the player's heads.
Speaker 2: And you know, for me as a PGA professional since
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, shot, I'm going on, you know,
Speaker 2: almost twenty you know, nearly twenty years of being a
Speaker 2: PGA professional, and all the thousands of lessons that I've given,
Speaker 2: I try to relay, you know, what the players are doing,
Speaker 2: you know, in their golf swings or you know, try
Speaker 2: to help them identify, help the viewer kind of easily
Speaker 2: identify what sort of changes Like Exander Schafflee, for example,
Speaker 2: you know, for this last year and the great play
Speaker 2: he had and two major championship victories, you know, what
Speaker 2: did he do with his instructor, Chris Como in strengthening
Speaker 2: in the club face at the top of the swing
Speaker 2: that really helped him succeed in a greater level in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I mean, those are the things that
Speaker 2: I love passing on to the viewers who maybe don't
Speaker 2: quite get all the inside knowledge. That's the fun part
Speaker 2: for me. And you know, definitely my PGA professional side.
Speaker 2: I bring that to bear for sure. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not a major champion. I'm not a Ryder Cup captain.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not you know, probably not going to
Speaker 2: be in the eighteenth tower for a major network. But
Speaker 2: you know, somebody like me can serve a very good
Speaker 2: role in you know, passing along really pertinent information, timely information,
Speaker 2: and being succynct with your thoughts, those things. If you
Speaker 2: marry those things as an analyst, I think you'll nail it.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the state of the game from
Speaker 1: your perspective. How are we doing and where are we going?
Speaker 2: Yeah, our question, that's a loaded question right there. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really knows other than Jay Monahan
Speaker 2: and those few people that are in those closed door
Speaker 2: meetings right now, there hasn't been much to leak out
Speaker 2: with which what going on between the Live Tour and
Speaker 2: the PGA tour. You know, your guess is kind of
Speaker 2: as good as mine on that one. But I think
Speaker 2: they're getting closer to something, you know, by some accounts.
Speaker 2: But you know, there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 2: of little things that everybody's trying to iron out, but
Speaker 2: the golf world needs to get back together more than
Speaker 2: just a few times during the major championship seasons.
Speaker 3: You know, we need to we need to.
Speaker 2: Get the best players on the same golf course, you know,
Speaker 2: a dozen times a year, and that would I think
Speaker 2: that would be a win. I don't think it's going
Speaker 2: to be every week because I think there's you know,
Speaker 2: the Live Tour could continue in its team format.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if the PGA Tour will
Speaker 3: ever go to a team format. I think that there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of.
Speaker 1: Things that you know, the two team events that the
Speaker 1: presidents and Ryder country.
Speaker 2: True, well, that's a bigger team. And then you know,
Speaker 2: we have this TGL Golf that's going to be starting
Speaker 2: up in early January. That's this indoor you know, golf
Speaker 2: simulator sort of league, which is very interesting to me
Speaker 2: to see how that will all kind of shake itself out.
Speaker 3: I you know, some people are very skeptical about it
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I think
Speaker 2: that that's a you know, we've got four person teams
Speaker 2: of PGA Tour players and we're going to see We're
Speaker 2: going to see a team aspect of some sort, you know,
Speaker 2: through PGA tour players. So I think that's going to
Speaker 2: be a very interesting addition to our Monday and Tuesday
Speaker 2: night lineups the first quarter of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a decade or so, maybe even a
Speaker 1: little more than that ago, when someone started a thing
Speaker 1: called Twitch where people were just watching somebody play a
Speaker 1: video game, and it's like, that's a dumb idea that exploded, right,
Speaker 1: So watching people play video games has been proven to work,
Speaker 1: so watching people play simulators may have some legs to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just.
Speaker 3: We're going to see, We're going to see.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be it's a very interesting
Speaker 2: concept and there's tremendous funds behind it. They built a
Speaker 2: state of the art stadium, indoor golf stadium, if you will,
Speaker 2: that nobody has ever seen before, so you know, a
Speaker 2: screen that's you know, twenty times the size of a
Speaker 2: movie theater screen or something like that. So it's it's
Speaker 2: going to be very unlike anything we've ever seen. Its
Speaker 2: gonna be very very interesting. It's almost like they're hitting
Speaker 2: shots into an Imax theater or something. It's it's gonna
Speaker 2: be really interesting to see how it all plays.
Speaker 3: Out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a place down in la I think it's
Speaker 1: Cosm is the name of it or something, But it's
Speaker 1: it's like a movie theater but for sports, and it
Speaker 1: has this gigantic screen that it makes you feel like
Speaker 1: your courts are at courtside an NBA game or you're
Speaker 1: sitting in the end zone at a football game, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a bar, and do people go
Speaker 1: to and watch. I can see how this could really
Speaker 1: be attractive in many markets.
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a very interesting concept, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see how it all shakes out.
Speaker 1: Well, you said your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Steve. I think you're you're in it.
Speaker 1: You talk to him, what's the buzz on the on
Speaker 1: the on the grass? I mean what you've talked to players.
Speaker 1: You get their sense of what's going on, and clearly
Speaker 1: you're saying they're as confused as all of us because
Speaker 1: the doors are closed in the cons are not public. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the sense you get on both sides of And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you talk to live players as well.
Speaker 2: No, I really haven't, honestly, you know, I really think
Speaker 2: the meetings have been extremely tight lipped. I mean not
Speaker 2: even the golf insiders that have more insight than I do.
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's really shared anything. So it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like I guess J Monahan said, you can't negotiate
Speaker 2: out in public the way they're doing it and what
Speaker 2: they have to do, all the little things, because the
Speaker 2: social media world will run rampant. I mean, they just can't.
Speaker 2: They can't let any little thing leak out, and so
Speaker 2: it's you know, hopefully it will have I don't. I'm
Speaker 2: not seeing it's going to happen for the season of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just getting too close. We have two
Speaker 3: months to go.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're going to be able to
Speaker 2: get enough things in order and in place, so it
Speaker 2: might be an a year or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows how far along they are and those
Speaker 1: those meetings and what's going on, because it's amazing that
Speaker 1: nothing's got leaked at this point. You'd think you'd get
Speaker 1: something out there to find out what's going on. Huh,
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, but we'll deal with it at
Speaker 1: the time. So let's let's talk about playing golf all right,
Speaker 1: You're you're teaching pro, playing pro, You've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of things. What do you feel is the state of
Speaker 1: golf instruction these days?
Speaker 2: I think the state of golf instruction is is great.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the the you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: so many avenues for the quote unquote average player or
Speaker 2: any player to consume golf instruction out there through the
Speaker 2: world of YouTube, through social media platforms that so many
Speaker 2: of these teachers have and utilize. I think the so
Speaker 2: so that's wonderful. I think as a student you have
Speaker 2: to be very cautious though, because every teacher has their
Speaker 2: own concepts, their own ideas, their own thoughts about what
Speaker 2: the swing should be. And there are so many different
Speaker 2: ways to play golf. You can grip the club conventionally.
Speaker 2: You can grip the club, you know, cross handed, you
Speaker 2: can grip. You can put your right foot back when
Speaker 2: you make a back, I mean you can. You can
Speaker 2: set up left and may hit a fade. You can
Speaker 2: set up right and hit a draw, you know, as
Speaker 2: a right I mean.
Speaker 3: You can. There's so many ways to put I mean,
Speaker 3: there's so many ways.
Speaker 2: To get the ball into the hole. I think what
Speaker 2: you have to do as a player with all of
Speaker 2: this instruction is you have to find out what works
Speaker 2: for you and then just stick along those lines because
Speaker 2: you know, if you are if you are somebody who
Speaker 2: who consumes golfing information and golf instruction out there, you
Speaker 2: can get confused. I mean, you know the pages of
Speaker 2: Golf Digest or Golf Magazine. I mean they've they very
Speaker 2: often put you know, in consecutive.
Speaker 3: Pages on there on their in their magazine.
Speaker 2: They have you know, in the past, they've put you know,
Speaker 2: conflicting ways to do this or do that. But there
Speaker 2: are just so many ways to do it. And so
Speaker 2: you know, the more information you seek out as a
Speaker 2: as a as a student can be good, but it
Speaker 2: can also be you know, not so great because but
Speaker 2: you do have uh you know, the world of AI is.
Speaker 3: Out there right now with golf instruction. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't even need a golf teacher in
Speaker 2: some ways if you don't want one. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can just video your swing and you know, the AI
Speaker 2: will you know, tell you if your left arm is
Speaker 2: too high, if your club face is too open. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's it's very interesting what is out there. But I mean,
Speaker 2: then you have all the launch monitors like track Man
Speaker 2: and flight scope and all of those things that help
Speaker 2: tell you everything about your your swinging. It's almost information overload,
Speaker 2: and so you have to really be selective, I think
Speaker 2: as a student in what you seek out, because you
Speaker 2: can get confused. You can there are there's there's so
Speaker 2: much information out there where twenty twenty five years ago
Speaker 2: there was not, and so you know you have to
Speaker 2: get you have to kind of pin down and maybe
Speaker 2: you need some you know, get your local PGA professional too.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're a member at a club or
Speaker 2: if you're at a public club or whatever, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Seek out somebody who's you know, who you feel is knowledgeable,
Speaker 2: or somebody in your area you feel like is knowledgeable
Speaker 2: as a teacher or a golf professional, and you know,
Speaker 2: ask them what they think too. They'll probably have a
Speaker 2: different answer than I will. But I think the best
Speaker 2: and the best lesson I ever got, the best understanding, was,
Speaker 2: you know, find a golf teacher who you really connect with,
Speaker 2: or a method you really connect with, and really dive
Speaker 2: into that. And you know, don't jump here, jump there,
Speaker 2: look for all these because you can get lost in
Speaker 2: the abyss of swing thoughts and swing instruction out there too.
Speaker 2: I think that that's a there's a lot of cautionary
Speaker 2: tales out there, you know, whether it's the professional ranks
Speaker 2: or just the average club player.
Speaker 1: There is so much information. Like just recently, a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, a few episodes ago, we had g hay
Speaker 1: Lee with sports Box AI. Right, we talked to her
Speaker 1: and learned about how AI can monitor your swing and
Speaker 1: give you suggestions, and you know, you find someone that
Speaker 1: works for you and you stick with it. But I
Speaker 1: found and as a recreational golfer, not a competitive golfer,
Speaker 1: but I found that it works for me for a
Speaker 1: couple of rounds and then it's gone, it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: and it's like, now what do I do? I tweak here,
Speaker 1: I tweak there. There's always there's always something going on
Speaker 1: that you've got to figure out. What am I? You know,
Speaker 1: how do I continue with that? Stay without without overdue?
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to that is.
Speaker 2: Well, look, we're in the we're in the instant gratification
Speaker 2: world here right, we have Amazon and we can go
Speaker 2: on our phone right now and press a button and
Speaker 2: you know, something can be at our door in an hour.
Speaker 3: Depending on where we live.
Speaker 2: And you know, with this instant gratification world doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: exist in golf, it really doesn't. Being proficient at the
Speaker 2: game of golf it is a it's a process. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a you you have to have a very long
Speaker 2: term mindset. If you want to be good at golf,
Speaker 2: you have to put lots of hours into it. And
Speaker 2: if you don't, then you know, you can be an
Speaker 2: average player and have fun playing the game and you know,
Speaker 2: shoot in the eighties or ninety or hunters or whatever
Speaker 2: you shoot, but you know, to really be proficient, you know.
Speaker 2: For me, I've been a golf professional for you know,
Speaker 2: since i was what twenty two years old, so for
Speaker 2: last twenty five years, you know, I've I've studied the game.
Speaker 3: I've I've perfected my own game.
Speaker 2: I've hit tens of thousands of golf balls, and I've
Speaker 2: basically developed a golf swing and putting strokes that you know,
Speaker 2: they're pretty repeatable by this point, because I understand what
Speaker 2: makes Mike swing tick. And so I try not to
Speaker 2: stray too far from from those things that I've learned
Speaker 2: over time, trying.
Speaker 3: Not to go too down too many rabbit holes.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this about golf instruction. Is there
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much. Where is the
Speaker 1: balance in instruction on swing mechanics and course management, because
Speaker 1: you know, we call the show golf Smarter. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean work on you know, hit two
Speaker 1: hundred balls a day, you know, over and over and
Speaker 1: over with no instruction, just hitting the balls, going oh,
Speaker 1: look at the ball flight, Look at the ball flight. Look.
Speaker 1: But then you get out on the golf course and
Speaker 1: you're not hitting off of a mat, you're not hitting
Speaker 1: off of sandy grass, and you're not hitting off of
Speaker 1: an uneven line, you're not hitting out of a you know,
Speaker 1: course management being able to met to me is playing
Speaker 1: golf versus hitting balls. Where do you find that balance?
Speaker 1: And as an instructor, for you, how do you maintain
Speaker 1: that balance and where do you what do you emphasize? Well?
Speaker 2: I think for me as a I still play tournaments,
Speaker 2: and so the closer I get to a tournament, the
Speaker 2: more I want to play golf, the more I want
Speaker 2: to be on the golf course. If there's something I'm
Speaker 2: working on in my swing, I'll spend a you know,
Speaker 2: if I have let's say, you know, five hours a
Speaker 2: week to work on my game and plus maybe a
Speaker 2: round of golf. You know, I will, I will make
Speaker 2: sure that you know, if I'm not comfortable with something
Speaker 2: like my grip or or my setup, I'll make sure
Speaker 2: I work on those things off the golf course. And
Speaker 2: then you know, once they get on the golf course though,
Speaker 2: you have to, you have to play golf.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 2: You have to adapt because you know, if you work
Speaker 2: too much on the range, you have the flat lies,
Speaker 2: like you said, and you have you're you're not adapting
Speaker 2: very well. And so the best the more that you
Speaker 2: can play, honestly, if you if you have if you
Speaker 2: can put put the the playing part more in the
Speaker 2: uh in the the positive ratio of the practicing to playing,
Speaker 2: I think you're just going to get more out of
Speaker 2: your game because you don't adapt on the on the
Speaker 2: practice tea. Let's face it, because you the the the
Speaker 2: environment there just doesn't allow you to adapt. When you're
Speaker 2: on the golf course, You're you're right, you're always trying
Speaker 2: to figure out Okay, different wind direction on every whole.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, the wind.
Speaker 2: The turf, every lie is different, Uh, every scenario you
Speaker 2: have seems to be different than the next. So the
Speaker 2: more you play, the more golf shots that you develop
Speaker 2: and remember in your repertoire to where the next time
Speaker 2: you go out you said, oh, I had a lie
Speaker 2: like that, you know two weeks ago that you have
Speaker 2: to you have to a lot to have a lot
Speaker 2: of good recall memory like that, to remember what this
Speaker 2: particular lie does to the golf ball, for example, where
Speaker 2: you don't have that on the practice tee. So you know,
Speaker 2: if it was me, the best year I ever had
Speaker 2: playing golf was was that I can remember it was
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 3: That year I played against Tiger.
Speaker 2: I played so much that year I can't remember even
Speaker 2: practicing a lot. I just went out on the golf
Speaker 2: course and played and played and played, and that was me.
Speaker 2: Some people are very different. Bryson de Shamba, he says
Speaker 2: when he's home, he doesn't play golf.
Speaker 3: He practices golf, and that's it.
Speaker 2: And so it just depends on your mindset and how
Speaker 2: you're you're kind of wired. But as a general rule,
Speaker 2: you are going to learn a heck of a lot
Speaker 2: more about yourself and about your game when you can
Speaker 2: devote more time on the course and less time on
Speaker 2: the practice team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that so as a not as
Speaker 1: a golf instructor, but as a golfer, which I'm assuming
Speaker 1: the way you're talking, you've been playing most of your life.
Speaker 1: You started out as a kid. Yep, what do you
Speaker 1: what stands out to you as the best advice you've
Speaker 1: ever received as a golfer?
Speaker 3: Best advice?
Speaker 2: That's uh, I think I had.
Speaker 3: I had a great instructor. I was very fortunate.
Speaker 2: I met a gentleman by the name of Ray Daily
Speaker 2: when I was ten years old and he gave me
Speaker 2: lessons for about three years. He was a he was
Speaker 2: a you know, one of the old pros. He wore
Speaker 2: the sans a belt, slacks, and he had played on
Speaker 2: the tour back in the fifties. And uh, he taught me.
Speaker 2: He didn't charge me a penny for the lessons he
Speaker 2: he caught. He taught me by the way, which was
Speaker 2: unbelievable that would ever happened to it. But his name
Speaker 2: was Ray Daily, lived in Pompino Beach, Florida, and was
Speaker 2: just a huge impact for me. And the one lesson
Speaker 2: that he gave me that I'll never forget as long
Speaker 2: as I live, and it's the simplest thing for dialing
Speaker 2: in your golf swing. You know, as you turn and
Speaker 2: you go back to the top of the swing and
Speaker 2: then you come down your right hip. If you're a
Speaker 2: right handed golfer, your right hip and your hands have
Speaker 2: to get to the point of impact at the same time.
Speaker 2: And if you can do that, you'll time the strike
Speaker 2: up very well. So he always told me, said, Steve,
Speaker 2: hip in hand together. And so that's kind of the thought.
Speaker 2: You know, if your arms, if your hands out race
Speaker 2: your hips, you're not going to hit it well. If
Speaker 2: your hips out race your hands, you're not going to
Speaker 2: hit it that well. But it's that marriage of the
Speaker 2: lower body and the upper body in just a simple phrase,
Speaker 2: hip in hand together.
Speaker 3: I thought that was the best lesson I ever.
Speaker 1: Got, interesting because that's mechanics, that swing mechanics, right.
Speaker 3: But it's simple though.
Speaker 1: It is it is, but it's and it's effective and
Speaker 1: it's in your head right. Like some of the best
Speaker 1: advice that we've ever had on the show may have
Speaker 1: come from a listener who knows where at the beginning is,
Speaker 1: but we say never follow a bad shot with a
Speaker 1: stupid shot, right. So now we're going back. We're going
Speaker 1: back to course management and playing golf versus hitting a ball.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So I'm just so fascinated. I love that question, and
Speaker 1: it always kind of throws people when I ask him that, like,
Speaker 1: what's the best advice? So let me ask him this
Speaker 1: as an instructor, what's the best advice you've ever received.
Speaker 2: As an instructor? I also learned as an instructor. I
Speaker 2: learned from the great Bob Tosky founded the Golf Digest
Speaker 2: schools with Jim Flick. And you know, Bob is still
Speaker 2: He's still live and kicking. And I was almost one
Speaker 2: hundred years old, Bob is and but he taught me,
Speaker 2: this was probably about twenty years ago, that as a
Speaker 2: right handed golfer, you know, your left arm, or your
Speaker 2: lead arm as a golfer, is the master arm, and
Speaker 2: your left hand, your lead hand, is the master hand.
Speaker 2: You have to really understand that that that side of
Speaker 2: your body needs to be controlling the club face more
Speaker 2: than the right side or your trailing side of your
Speaker 2: of your your body.
Speaker 3: And once I learned.
Speaker 2: That my golf ball behaved a lot better, I understood,
Speaker 2: I understood how to grip the club better, which controlled
Speaker 2: the club face better, which in turn controlled my golf
Speaker 2: ball better. So it really all stemmed from, you know,
Speaker 2: the left arm and the lead arm being the master arm.
Speaker 1: Fascinating Steve Scott s c O t TPGA dot com
Speaker 1: right yep. And then on social media find you at
Speaker 1: Steve Scott PGA.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, s S Scott PGA on on Instagram and
Speaker 2: the X. And you know, there's a really neat, neat
Speaker 2: thing though that you know, if as we're as we're going,
Speaker 2: can I can I just add this? So there's a
Speaker 2: really as you know, in the broadcasting world. And so
Speaker 2: we've got you know, the Silver Club Golfing Society, and
Speaker 2: I'm doing a lot of broadcasting with ESPN. One of
Speaker 2: the other great things that I'm doing is I'm involved
Speaker 2: with it with a group called Whole nineteen. It's a
Speaker 2: it's a really it's a neat new venture if you will.
Speaker 2: There's a gentleman by the name of Mac Barnhardt and
Speaker 2: a lady by the name of Rose Lanham have have
Speaker 2: created this kind of a speaker's form, if you will,
Speaker 2: called Speakers for Good and this Whole nineteen part of it.
Speaker 3: So Mac and Bros.
Speaker 2: They're involved with a lot of a lot of great
Speaker 2: people in the game, from Lucas Glover to Joey D
Speaker 2: who is the great fitness trainer for a lot of
Speaker 2: the PGA two players in the in the Jupiter Palm
Speaker 2: Beach area.
Speaker 1: Who we just had on re there we go.
Speaker 3: See as Joey D's you know, he's on our podcasts.
Speaker 3: He's famous, right, But you know.
Speaker 2: And so and so what we're doing, we're creating it,
Speaker 2: you know, with with the likes of myself and others,
Speaker 2: creating really neat opportunities for for you know, companies, corporations
Speaker 2: within whether it's PGA tour events or whatnot, to have
Speaker 2: a really kind of unique, you know, kind of boutique experience,
Speaker 2: if you will. Let's say, for example, there was a
Speaker 2: small group of people involved in a in a company
Speaker 2: and they wanted to have an inside look of you know,
Speaker 2: what were the players going through, and so like I
Speaker 2: could walk around with a small group of people during
Speaker 2: nine holes of a PGA Tour event and give them,
Speaker 2: uh the insight to what what is going on in
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour players heads, for example, and kind of
Speaker 2: give them the the inside track. You know, you have
Speaker 2: all these pro ams on Wednesday at a PGA Tour
Speaker 2: event and the players get to interact sometimes with the
Speaker 2: the golf professional out there, depending on how outgoing or
Speaker 2: they are or not. But you know, they don't always
Speaker 2: get all the inside information out there to what they're
Speaker 2: doing when they're doing it. And so you know what this,
Speaker 2: what our Whole nineteen group can offer is kind of
Speaker 2: just a neat kind of inside the experience in a way,
Speaker 2: kind of an elevated VIP experience if you will to
Speaker 2: you know, go and you know, really you know, get
Speaker 2: involved with these corporations and these companies who want to
Speaker 2: be involved with golf, and you know, we could have
Speaker 2: a day and they could get trained by Joey d
Speaker 2: We could you know, I could go play golf with them.
Speaker 3: We could I could fix their.
Speaker 2: Slice, and then we could go out to a tour
Speaker 2: event you know, in the area and and you know
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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to share that with you as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, and how do we find that?
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Speaker 2: awesome Steve.
Speaker 1: It's really been fascinating to talk to you, hear your story.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing some incredible stories and some incredible
Speaker 1: insights and lessons. Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: No, it's really really great to be with you, Fred.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just sharing all the fun information and the
Speaker 2: fun anything golf.
Speaker 3: I can talk all day about