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<v Speaker 1>in the description with that down we have with us today, author, filmmaker,

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<v Speaker 1>writer and producer and star of our hit documentary is

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<v Speaker 1>A Clockwork Shining on Amazon Prime and Apple TV Plus

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<v Speaker 1>and JFKIX Solving the Crime of the Century. Links are

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<v Speaker 1>in the description, Jay Widener, welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going. I'm doing great. And we had some

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<v Speaker 1>revelations the other day while we were on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>And what kind of sparked this conversation was a show

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<v Speaker 1>called The Institute. I don't know if people have seen this.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke about it the other day with one iola,

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought that that was strange, Jay, because it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like every time we do something, and this could

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<v Speaker 1>be just a coincidence, but it's happened like three times now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when something doesn't become a coincidence anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I think after two I think it's pretty fair to

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<v Speaker 1>say around two times of something happening over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no longer a coincidence. But there always seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be some sort of propaganda surrounding whatever it is that

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<v Speaker 1>we decided to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I noticed that, how about fifteen documentaries came out

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<v Speaker 2>right after we came out with JFKX, when there had

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<v Speaker 2>been almost no films made about the jfk assassination. I

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<v Speaker 2>know because I would have watched them if they come out,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was hardly any and now there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you go on Netflix and various services and there's like

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<v Speaker 2>eight or nine different films on each service, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of them, in their own way, seek to debunk what

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<v Speaker 2>we say in j k X, and it's very odd.

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<v Speaker 3>And then.

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<v Speaker 2>A Clockwork Shining comes out. And then not only is

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<v Speaker 2>there a plethora of YouTube and various shows talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Shining and Kubrick, but then this odd TV series

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<v Speaker 2>which is out right now, it's still playing in two

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<v Speaker 2>more episodes of a book by Stephen King called The Institute,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm gonna say this right now, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>reiterate it as we go along here. We really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know the stuff that's in the book or the movie

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<v Speaker 2>The Institute until a couple of years before the book

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<v Speaker 2>came out in twenty nineteen. So what am I talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about how around twenty seventeen it became it

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<v Speaker 2>was discovered that abused children can acquire psychic abilities from

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse as a matter of course of the abuse. Telekinesis,

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<v Speaker 2>telepathy and those kinds of things, and that's what this

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<v Speaker 2>show The Institute is about. Right, Yes, So in the show,

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<v Speaker 2>they kidnapped highly intelligent children and torture them to get

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<v Speaker 2>them to become more psychic, and they do tests on him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's reasons why they're doing this. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to get into it because it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>stupid reason. But the idea is that Stephen King in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen is now inculcating in fiction and now in

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<v Speaker 2>this series, this idea that abuse can cause psycho psychic power,

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<v Speaker 2>psychic abilities. And I've been around a long time and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't It was not known before that. Now it

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<v Speaker 2>was known probably in a cult circle you know that

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<v Speaker 2>this was true. That may be true, and maybe some

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<v Speaker 2>of what the stuff Alistair Crowley is talking about, But

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<v Speaker 2>in the general public, we did not know that. We

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<v Speaker 2>thought that, you know, abuse caused, you know, terrible things

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<v Speaker 2>to happen to people later in their life, and we

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<v Speaker 2>knew the abuse caused people become more especially people who

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<v Speaker 2>are victims of sexual abuse, become very, very sexually oriented

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<v Speaker 2>in their in their adult life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just put it to you that way.

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<v Speaker 2>And whereas regular people who weren't abuse, don't don't don't

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<v Speaker 2>know there was these effects of sexual abuse, but we.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>About that that it would actually cause psychic abilities to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And so that's what this show is about.

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<v Speaker 2>They're literally torturing kids to get them become more psychic

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<v Speaker 2>than they were when they were brought into the institute.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we talked about in the Clockwork Shining

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding Danny, and we're like, this is the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>Danny has these abilities is because he was abused by Jack.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it clearly states that in the movie The Shining,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the doctor that comes to the apartment in

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<v Speaker 1>Boulder and talks to Windy and examines Danny tells Windy

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<v Speaker 1>that that's exactly what happened. And when he says, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>when he started seeing these and having these episodes after

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<v Speaker 1>Jack injured his arm, broke his arm, Okay, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very traumatic event where a kid, especially coming from

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<v Speaker 1>your dad. So it's almost like Stephen King kind of no.

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<v Speaker 2>No about this is that in the book, Danny was

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<v Speaker 2>always psychic, Okay, he did not become psychic from the abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is going to become important as we go

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<v Speaker 2>along here. Kubrick added that, all right, So Kubrick knew

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<v Speaker 2>somehow in nineteen eighty or seventy nine, whenever he made

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<v Speaker 2>the movie that Danny's psychic abilities was because of the

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<v Speaker 2>abuse he suffered from his father. And he added that

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<v Speaker 2>in emphasized it, like you say, and became a paramount

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<v Speaker 2>part of the whole understanding in The Clockwork Shining for

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<v Speaker 2>what was really going on underneath everything, and that in

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation we were talking about that, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I brought up the fact that it's possible, just possible,

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<v Speaker 2>that we have misunderstood the horror film The Exorcist. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there is a link to that because William Friedkin, who

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<v Speaker 2>directed The Exorcist, was good friends with Stanley Kubrick, who

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<v Speaker 2>directed The Shining. Kubrick was offered The Exorcist in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three to direct, and he turned it down because

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<v Speaker 2>he thought it was too Catholic and he was an

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<v Speaker 2>atheist and Jewish. She just couldn't get into the Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>stuff right, And so eventually William Freakin accepted it, and

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<v Speaker 2>even though he was an atheist in the jew too,

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<v Speaker 2>which kind of makes you wonder why he would want

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<v Speaker 2>to make a film like this since it's so catholic,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the last act of the film, or it's just

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<v Speaker 2>the whole ritual exorcism.

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<v Speaker 3>But what if.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not downplaying that there's a devil. I'm not downplaying

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<v Speaker 2>that demons can get into people and cause them to

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<v Speaker 2>do things. But the the sexual nature of Reagan's exposition

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<v Speaker 2>before in the first part of the movie tells me

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<v Speaker 2>that actually Reagan, the little girl in the Exorcist, is

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<v Speaker 2>a victim of sex abuse. Her obsession with sex and

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<v Speaker 2>then her the abuse wherever she got the abuse is

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<v Speaker 2>what is causing her to be telepathy, to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to talk in tongues, to speak in Latin because he

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<v Speaker 2>reads the priest's mind. He knows how to speak Latin,

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<v Speaker 2>caused the bed to shake, cause all that stuff to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What if that's actually a direct result of previous sexual

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<v Speaker 2>abuse of Reagan.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not really talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it possible that when the church is called

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<v Speaker 2>in to people in the past who had been sexually abused,

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<v Speaker 2>that they never even thought sexual abuse could be part

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<v Speaker 2>of this, so they immediately just assumed that they were

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<v Speaker 2>possessed by the devil. I mean, these are legitimate questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and in the movie, the movie is structured

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<v Speaker 2>so that every time that Reagan does something weird, the

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<v Speaker 2>next scene is a psychological explanation for.

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<v Speaker 3>What she did.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can see it's clearly structured so that even

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<v Speaker 2>the film makers have doubts about the devil being in Reagan, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're looking for other explanations for that. And we

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<v Speaker 2>also have to know that William Peter Bladdie, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who wrote The Extorousist, he probably didn't know this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing about psychological and psychic ability coming from abuse. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>knew it back then. This is all a new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know about it. I never heard about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you start realizing that Stephen King is now

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<v Speaker 2>writing books about it and inculcating it into culture, you

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<v Speaker 2>really have to wonder how long this idea has been known.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what I think is that William Friedkin sort

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<v Speaker 2>of added in the whole sexual It's in the book

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, but he added it in because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a way for him to deal with the material in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that an atheist could deal with it. So

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse came from the other part of all this

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<v Speaker 2>is where is Reagan's dad. Okay, Reagan's mom talks to

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan's dad on the phone, and she's not very happy

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<v Speaker 2>with him. It's clear she's very hostile to him. And

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<v Speaker 2>he never she never tells him that her daughter's having

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<v Speaker 2>all these problems. She never tells him that she's going

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<v Speaker 2>to an exorcist. She never tells him that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly her daughter murders someone. Right, He's like left out

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<v Speaker 2>of the picture, almost as if Reagan's mom was hostile

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<v Speaker 2>to him for some reason. And it is curious that

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<v Speaker 2>he's left out of the picture. But the real question,

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<v Speaker 2>the really weird part of this whole thing of requestioning

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<v Speaker 2>the Exorcist and what's really going on in this movie

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<v Speaker 2>is the murder of her mom's film director Burke. Burke

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<v Speaker 2>is throwing out of Reagan's window and he hits these

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<v Speaker 2>steep stairs and rolls down the stairs and breaks his

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<v Speaker 2>neck in such a way that it's twisted backwards, completely backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>And Reagan's mom in Reagan's mom's assistant see some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of commotion going on as they're arriving home. They see

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on, and then they go into

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<v Speaker 2>the house. And then they're in the house and then

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<v Speaker 2>one of her assistants comes in and says, did you

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<v Speaker 2>get to hear the news? And he said, what Burke died?

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<v Speaker 2>He fell down the stairs right by your house and

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<v Speaker 2>he was thrown out of Reagan's bedroom window. And nobody

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie, not the police inspector, not the priest,

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<v Speaker 2>not Reagan's mom, no one ever asked the question, what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is the film director Burke doing up in

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan's bedroom at home, in their house when they're not there.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he have a key? Does he have a key

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<v Speaker 2>to the house? Does he have free access to Reagan?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? I mean you have to add what's he doing

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<v Speaker 2>And how can nobody ever questions what's he doing in

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<v Speaker 3>Right? But he was up there. There's a lot about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>The authors and probably a lot of the previous exorcists,

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<v Speaker 2>not knowing that sexual abuse causes you to get telekinetic

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<v Speaker 2>and telepathic abilities, they thought that they were possessed by

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<v Speaker 2>the devil, right, because they're reading their mind, and which

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan does in the movie. Right, And so that's what

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<v Speaker 2>the film director. Maybe it's some kind of ritualistic sexual abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know, you know. And the fact that no

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<v Speaker 2>all okay? I mean, is it okay for this grown man?

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, he's clearly shown earlier in the

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<v Speaker 2>hair hair from down below it is Martinia or something

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<v Speaker 2>whatever he's drinking, right, so he's clearly shown as being

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<v Speaker 2>did he go up into the room and Reagane just

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<v Speaker 2>finally had enough, you know, and that was it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she threw him out the window. And so how can

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<v Speaker 2>a little girl throw you out the winter? Well, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that ninety pound women can lift up two ton

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<v Speaker 2>trucks to get their kid out from under retire, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been done in moments of.

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<v Speaker 2>Danger, frail human can pack a punch, so it's not

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<v Speaker 2>all of the Ordner. And besides the Reagan does have

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<v Speaker 2>increased physical ability. I mean she's thrown people around and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, is this a result of some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse? And the real, the real killer of all

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<v Speaker 2>this is that the way that she expresses her herself

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<v Speaker 2>cross and that scene, the famous scene that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she also throws herself into her mom's face and blood

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<v Speaker 2>all over her mom's face, I mean freaking is like

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<v Speaker 2>no holds bar back, showing you that this girl is

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<v Speaker 2>acting as if she was sexually abused. Now here's a killer.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought this out. I had not even thought about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Reagan's mom, Ellen Burston, she goes out to all

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<v Speaker 2>these psychiatrists and nobody can tell her what's wrong with Reagan,

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<v Speaker 2>and she getting all these tests which are torture. Follow

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<v Speaker 2>the medical scenes of Reagan. They are torturing, completely torturing her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's harder to watch those scenes than any other scenes

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie. It really is, and you feel so

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<v Speaker 2>sorry for Reagan during those scenes. But then she finally

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<v Speaker 2>priests and asks him for help, and he's really skeptical

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<v Speaker 2>and great actor. All the actors are great in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do the two Catholic priests do the last

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<v Speaker 2>last act of the movie. They tie Reagan to a

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<v Speaker 2>bed and they torture her. So the answer to a

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<v Speaker 2>person who's been tortured and abused is to torture and

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<v Speaker 2>abuse her. And that is really the story of humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>where we have people abusing young people and then turning

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<v Speaker 2>them into abusers as a NonStop chain of command.

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<v Speaker 1>And to try and cover up the abuse that happened before.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this always kind of struck me as odd.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it only Abrahamic religions that deal with possessions

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<v Speaker 1>and demons? Why are their only Catholic exorcists? Right, You'd

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<v Speaker 1>think that if the Abrahamic religions were correct and true,

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<v Speaker 1>why would supposed demons only mess with the only group

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<v Speaker 1>of people that can cast them out. It really doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make any sense. Have you ever heard of a Hindu

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<v Speaker 1>having a demonically possessed person that required the conflict churches

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<v Speaker 1>blessing for an extorcism?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but the Hinds do have rituals where they enact

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<v Speaker 2>where they become the God or goddess. Right, I've seen him,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there, I've seen it. It's pretty dramatic. But

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<v Speaker 2>they are possessed by the God, but it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>short lived possession during the ritual that it's over and

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're back to themselves and they know that they

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<v Speaker 2>were acting it out and all that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because they studied the god that they were impersonating.

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<v Speaker 3>So no, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>About what about Buddhism. I've never heard of a Buddhists

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<v Speaker 1>requiring the assistance of a conflict church in regards to

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<v Speaker 1>someone exercising demons.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of laughable.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, yeah, So my theory is is that the rituals

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<v Speaker 2>of the Abrahamic religions open up the person doing the

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<v Speaker 2>rituals to demonic attack.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe that is true.

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<v Speaker 2>But also all three of these religions, I hate to

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<v Speaker 2>say it.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're well well known for sexual abuse of young people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's my point, right, Okay, So when's the last

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<v Speaker 1>time you heard a Catholic priest walk into a monastery

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<v Speaker 1>and exercise the possessed freaking shinto monk. Never so you

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<v Speaker 1>would think by the logic of the Church that the

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<v Speaker 1>people that aren't involved with or believe in the Abrahamic

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<v Speaker 1>religions would be the weakest. Okay, in the furthest away

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<v Speaker 1>from God. I mean, that's pretty much what all of

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<v Speaker 1>Christianity is like. Anybody that doesn't believe in Christianity isn't

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<v Speaker 1>of gotten? Is the furthest away of from God. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why there's all these people trying to convince others to

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<v Speaker 1>go to church and go to the Bible. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't anyone else being possessed besides the believers in

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<v Speaker 1>the fundamentalist Abrahamic religions? And is it just a coincidence

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<v Speaker 1>that most sexual abuse scandals out of any religious institution

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<v Speaker 1>ever is the Catholic Church.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The other two are pretty good too, man, don't don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't underestimate them. Uh, you know remember the the the

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<v Speaker 2>video of the synagogue in New York, the underground tunnels

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<v Speaker 2>and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think Judaism as a as an offset of Christianity,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Christianity probably doesn't worship the Yello him as much,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I would say it is instilled from from

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<v Speaker 2>the rituals and the beliefs of those religions stemming down

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<v Speaker 2>from the Elohim. I mean, because if you read the

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<v Speaker 2>Old Testament, the Elohim who made us, supposedly they're fornicators,

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<v Speaker 2>they're alcoholics, they're I mean, I don't know, they're murderers,

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<v Speaker 2>they go out with young women, and so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They appear to me to be not very nice. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they are gods or people or whatever. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the three Abrahamic religions which were created by them

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<v Speaker 2>have the same predilections that they have, and they're passing

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<v Speaker 2>it down to their children. And it would be interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to see statistics on you know, the number of sexually

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<v Speaker 2>abused people around the world and see what religions that

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<v Speaker 2>they come from. And I'm gonna bet you they all

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<v Speaker 2>come from this religion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bet that they all come from the

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<v Speaker 1>Abrahamic the three main Abrahamic religions. I mean, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a given. I mean, I'm sure that we could

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<v Speaker 1>probably look it up really quickly and find that information. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just incident that the religion that has the most

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse is also has the most demons possessing people.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go cause the only intressist in any religion,

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<v Speaker 1>like give me a break.

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<v Speaker 2>And back when I was young, which was about the

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<v Speaker 2>time the Extorcist got made, I'm very I learned a

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<v Speaker 2>long time ago that when I was around adults when

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<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, to just be quiet and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to him. I could learn a lot more just by

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<v Speaker 2>listening to him and not saying anything. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>would kind of disappear, becoming visible in the room of adults,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I would hear them say stuff. At the time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was six or seven and quite understand what I

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<v Speaker 2>was listening to. But as I got older, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like ten or twelve, I started realizing that my parents' generation,

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<v Speaker 2>the males in my parents generation, they made jokes about

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<v Speaker 2>having sex and children all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean all the time. It was. It was an

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<v Speaker 3>ongoing joke.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember talking to a member of my parents'

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<v Speaker 2>generation and he told me that it was his right,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, right now. He was like he was a businessman, salesman,

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<v Speaker 2>lived down the street from me, and I was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to her, like ten or eleven years old. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's my right. I said, what's your right? I said,

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<v Speaker 2>she's my daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my right. And you know, it really shook me up.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, and I thought, wow, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually more prevalent than we can imagine. And maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not so much now because it's become taboo, thankfully, But

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<v Speaker 2>in the old days, I think it was maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>higher than fifty percent maybe of the of that generation,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was taken for granted. And I also remember

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<v Speaker 2>again when I was maybe fourteen year years old, I

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<v Speaker 2>was watching TV. It was a congressional hearing for something.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom was watching it because she was really into politics.

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<v Speaker 3>And I heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember all of Congress were all men in those days,

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<v Speaker 2>all the senators were all men.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, there weren't any women maybe one.

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<v Speaker 2>And a guy got up and made a joke about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, old enough to I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 2>it knocked out old.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough to, you know what, old enough to? You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and it was and everybody laughed, it really laughed.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole Congress thought it was the funniest joke of all.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was making a joke about having sex with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, prepubescent teams essentially, and it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>so so what I'm saying, it was in the light

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<v Speaker 2>of the Exorcist coming out. We had an underground in

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<v Speaker 2>our society going already, right, and I'll even go one

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<v Speaker 2>step further. I want to disturb everybody, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>this thing have to be said. The Boomers. My generations

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest generations ever lived on earth. Okay, we I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was eighty five million of us in America

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<v Speaker 2>born between nineteen forty six and nineteen sixty four and

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<v Speaker 2>or forty five to sixty four. And the generation had

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<v Speaker 2>just our parents' generation. The men had just come back

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<v Speaker 2>from a two front war of absolute horror, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese part where my dad was at absolute horror, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean really horror. And so they were coming back from horror.

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<v Speaker 3>They were.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they came back, they came back to wealth.

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<v Speaker 2>Because America started growing really rapidly.

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<v Speaker 3>And millions and millions.

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<v Speaker 2>Of young people everywhere everywhere, they had to change. Daylight

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<v Speaker 2>saving time was created right here in there for us,

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<v Speaker 2>so we could go to school in the daylight my generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So all sorts of societal things happened because there were

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<v Speaker 2>such a gigantic generation. Schools were being built like everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>because there was too many kids being born, and everything

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<v Speaker 2>was just flooding over and in the middle of all this.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's say the baby boomer started in nineteen forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty six, a song came out and it

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<v Speaker 2>was written by John Phillips, the lead singer of the

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<v Speaker 2>Laurel Canyon band Mama's and the Papas, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>sung by his best friend Scott mackenzie. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>a gigantic, huge hit in America at the time, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very melodic song, and it was called

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<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, and it was basically saying to all the

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<v Speaker 2>kids in America that you all come to San Francisco

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<v Speaker 2>because you're going to meet a gentle people there that

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<v Speaker 2>are waiting for you. Well, it's a given kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in in certain circles where an adult will tell a child,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be gentle with you.

423
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.079
<v Speaker 2>And this song was completely blatant and nobody saw it.

424
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 2>And so what happened is all the runaways, all the

425
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:19.039
<v Speaker 2>kids without any parents, all the kids that were mad

426
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 2>at their moms and dads, everybody swept into San Francisco,

427
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>swept into that hate Ashbury neighborhood of San Francisco. Literally

428
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand people between fifteen and nineteen right flooding

429
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>in because of this song. I just wanted to say

430
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<v Speaker 2>it on the side. John Phillips was later accused by

431
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>his daughter Mackenzie Phillips of having sex with her when

432
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.039
<v Speaker 2>she was a little girl. Okay, and that's on record,

433
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>so I'm not making that up.

434
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:50.880
<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

435
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>We all know the Laurel Canyon scene, right, and everything

436
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.839
<v Speaker 2>went on there, and they were a big part of it,

437
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 2>including Michelle Phillips who was good friends with Sue Lyon

438
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:06.319
<v Speaker 2>who was in Lolita. So anyway, what I'm saying is

439
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>is that right under the nose of everybody, my generation

440
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>got sucked into some pretty horrific stuff. And the people

441
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>that were sucking us into it were all in my

442
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:25.559
<v Speaker 2>parents' generation. John Phillips, Timothy Leary, Hugh Hefner, they were.

443
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>None of the guys are boomers, just like none of

444
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the Stones and none of the Beatles are boomers. Bob

445
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Byllan is not a boomer. Those guys are all from

446
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:36.039
<v Speaker 2>my parents' generation. They're from an older generation. They're masquerading

447
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>as boomers, but they weren't.

448
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 3>And so.

449
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I probably the only one actually ever said is but

450
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I think my generation got royally screwed by my parents' generation,

451
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 2>the greatest generation, you know, and they won World War Two?

452
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Jay, What's wrong with you?

453
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, and I see it everywhere, and

454
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I think most of my generation never saw it at all,

455
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>ever happening still to this day.

456
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 3>They never saw it.

457
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I never saw the manipulation, faking of the music, the

458
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>weird movies that they put out to influence us, and.

459
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 1>The drugs being pushed by the CIO.

460
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>The Beatles pushing LSD, you know, and all the casualties

461
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 2>of that happened that occurred there. And the fact that

462
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:30.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, Lennon started figuring it out in nineteen eighty.

463
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 3>And he didn't make it to the end of the year.

464
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, so so I did a little I

465
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 1>did a little investigation into the true story of the Extorsis,

466
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.559
<v Speaker 1>which are you familiar with the true story of what

467
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 1>the novel is written about, which was by William Peter

468
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Blantly Bladdie Sorry, William Peter Blandie was a student at

469
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Georgetown University in Washington, d C. Took a parapsychology class

470
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and heard that heard the first mention of the story

471
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>by a Jesuit priests and professor named Eugene Gallagher, and

472
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>then he got in contact with other priests that were involved,

473
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and he then wrote his book based upon a boy

474
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 1>who was possessed in nineteen forty nine in Cottage City, Maryland. Now,

475
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 1>the interesting part of this is that the identity of

476
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this child was to remain anonymous. They called him Ronald

477
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Doe or Ronnie. Now you're gonna find this really interesting.

478
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 3>Jake.

479
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>A man by the name of Thomas b. Allen. He

480
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>wrote a book called Possessed in nineteen ninety one which

481
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>was a non hollywoodified version of the true story of

482
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the extorcism of Ronald Doe, which was the event that

483
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 1>The Exorcist was based on. And here in this Wikipedia

484
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>article by Thomas B. Allen, which is the author of

485
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 1>the Unhollywood if I had version of it. His most famous

486
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>book to date was Possessed. It is a retelling of

487
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the true story of a teenage boy whom Allen identified

488
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>by the pseudonym Robbie Manahan from Mount Rainier, Maryland, who

489
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>went through the right of extricism in nineteen forty nine.

490
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Allen track down the sole survivor of the team that

491
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>performed the ectorcism Walter hollering, that's an interesting name.

492
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.119
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

493
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so but if you go down here, so Alan,

494
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>this gentleman Thomas Minton Allen. He was speaking in twenty

495
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and thirteen. Alan emphasized that definitive proof that the boy

496
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>known only as Robbie was possessed by a benevolent spirits

497
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>is unattainable. Maybe he instead suffered from mental illness or

498
00:32:53.960 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse, whoa or fabricated the entire experience, according to Alan.

499
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Hollarn also expressed his skepticism about the potential paranormal events

500
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>before his death. So there it is right here from

501
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the guy that wrote the unhollywood ified version of what

502
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 1>was based on the true life story of the extressist.

503
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

504
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I remember reading about that story and I wondered if

505
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 2>that kid had been abused somehow, again emphasizing that the

506
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>abuse was a lot more prevalent than we're letting on

507
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>so at the time, now it's become taboo thinkingness. So

508
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.240
<v Speaker 2>but then it was everywhere, and yeah, I think that

509
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>that's a really good find.

510
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, I was looking around through researching into the

511
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>true story because I was like, okay, well this is

512
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>based On, you know, a true story. So I was like,

513
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 1>all right, well that's that would I mean, if our

514
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.640
<v Speaker 1>analysis is correct, that William Freaking was trying to encode

515
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>within the ector sistem the actressism that you know, the

516
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 1>people that wrote the true story, not the you know,

517
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>the super Hollywood version by William Blattie for sure, but

518
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the Thomas Allen version, who actually interviewed the last living

519
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>priest who was involved with the ectrecism of Ronald Doe

520
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 1>that he believed that it was sexual abuse, not the

521
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 1>money possession.

522
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's that's what I'm saying. And then William

523
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Freakin and Stanley Kubrick are really good friends. Stanley Kubrick

524
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to make The Exorcist. He turned it down. Instead,

525
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 2>he made Barry Lindon, which was his biggest flop of

526
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.400
<v Speaker 2>his whole career. And you know that nineteen seventy six

527
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.920
<v Speaker 2>or so, he's nursing his wounds here, you know, licking

528
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 2>his paw, and he probably calls up William Freakin to

529
00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>find out, you know, how did I make such a

530
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.679
<v Speaker 2>mass failure?

531
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 3>And you may effect a massive hit.

532
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, William Freak can say he talked a law

533
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 2>on the phone with Stanley, and I think William Freakin

534
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>told Stanley that the secret to the success of the

535
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>movie was equating her erratic behavior with sexual abuse. Secret

536
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes sexual abuse, right, And that's when Kubrick,

537
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, he started working on The Shining soon after,

538
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and injected that into it, that that's how Danny got

539
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.960
<v Speaker 2>his psychic powers, was through that, And I don't think

540
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>there's any doubt about it, and it's quite brilliant.

541
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 3>King. Here's where it gets really interesting.

542
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 2>King made his own version of The Shining in nineteen

543
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven or ninety eight.

544
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Something like that, and it was terrible and it failed.

545
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 2>And so then I was thinking, well, what if King

546
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>started looking at his version of The Shining and Stanley

547
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Kubrick's version of The Shining and try to figure out

548
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>why Kubrick's version worked and why.

549
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 3>His version didn't work, and.

550
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Realized that The Shining was about mind control and that

551
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Cubric's revelation about Danny getting psychic abilities from being abused

552
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>by his father made a lot of sense. Suddenly the King,

553
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and then he wrote The Institute in twenty nineteen kind

554
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>of with enough clues pointing towards the shining kubricks shining,

555
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>not his shining in the Institute, that you have to

556
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.519
<v Speaker 2>begin to wonder if he's not paying an homage back

557
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to Stanley for Stanley having enough wisdom to slip all

558
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 2>that in to his mediocre ghost story.

559
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that makes one sent because the Institute

560
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.639
<v Speaker 1>is filmed like the Shining, like the whole way scenes

561
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>of the and there's so many references to the Shining

562
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>in there. The I mean, the logo of it is

563
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the well C and I and the freaking Monolith from

564
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one A Space Odyssey.

565
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And the good cop is named Wendy, same as Wendy

566
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.239
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. And there's two twins, two twin girls,

567
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like in the movie. And it's just odd, and

568
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.119
<v Speaker 2>things in there are in there like only you and

569
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>I would have gotten. So that was really strange anyway.

570
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:31.400
<v Speaker 3>You know. So, I don't know.

571
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that King saw our movie A Clockwork Shining,

572
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.000
<v Speaker 2>because I know he's familiar with all of my Cubrick

573
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>work and has told people between us that that he

574
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 2>thinks I'm right about the moon Landing, and I think

575
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>he thinks for right about A Clockwork Shining after watching

576
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the Institute.

577
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 3>So I think we're seeing.

578
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Like this kind of feedback mechanism where Kubrick's work is

579
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 2>having a feedback mechanism on King and then that having

580
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>a feedback mechanism on us. And it's really amazing. And

581
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.639
<v Speaker 2>by the way, King admitted that he got into riding

582
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>horror after he read the exercise. I mean, it's not

583
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:20.440
<v Speaker 2>just it's not just that these guy things are all related.

584
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's even more related than that.

585
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 1>And it is even more related because I got something

586
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that's shocking. Okay, Remember how I was telling you that

587
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>the Ronald dough his real name was never disclosed. They

588
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>kept his name a secret this entire time, from the

589
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>time that he was born I believe was nineteen thirty five.

590
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>They kept his real name and secret up until his

591
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>death in twenty twenty. Okay, his name, his real name

592
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 1>was Ronald Edwin Buckler. Ok Ronald Reagan, Ronald Edwin so

593
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>ed wn And after doing a little bit of digging, okay,

594
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that this is going to blow your mind,

595
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.599
<v Speaker 1>because it blew my mind last night at like three

596
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 1>am when I was looking into all this stuff. Are

597
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you ready? Boy whose story was inspired by the extorcism,

598
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>grew up to play a key role in the first moonlanding,

599
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:40.119
<v Speaker 1>what protecting his identity for decades using pseudonyms, The boy

600
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>went on to become a NASA engineer, contributing to the

601
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 1>Apollo eleven moon landing. Okay, Huckler was a crucial resource

602
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>who contributed significantly to the Apollo missions during the nineteen sixties.

603
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Without his patent did tech anology that made Space Shuttle

604
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>panels resistant to extreme heat, our glorious astronauts wouldn't have

605
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>stepped foot on the Moon in nineteen sixty nine.

606
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Well that tells me definitely that he was

607
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 2>faking his exorcism.

608
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that I'm Holy shipd.

609
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.559
<v Speaker 2>That is just weird. And what's his name again?

610
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>His name is Robert Edwin Huckler h U K E

611
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:34.079
<v Speaker 1>L E R.

612
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Interesting. And he went on to become a NASA engineer.

613
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>The nasty engineer.

614
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>And and don't forget the Exorcist. There's a at the party.

615
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 2>The astronaut is there and Reagan comes down the steps

616
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.519
<v Speaker 2>at peas on the floor and says, you're going to

617
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 2>die up there?

618
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Remember, yep, yep.

619
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:06.320
<v Speaker 2>So the movie that's based on the real life incident

620
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>features an Apollo astronaut and the incident that it's based on.

621
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 2>The guy later works for Apollo.

622
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Yep was a NASA engineer.

623
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Uh, those kind of things that really bother me.

624
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.159
<v Speaker 1>That blew my mind last night. I wanted to call

625
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:30.599
<v Speaker 1>you at like four in the morning and tell you

626
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:32.199
<v Speaker 1>about this, but I thought I would just save it

627
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for the show. But I was like, oh my god,

628
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 1>I got to tell somebody because I was just like

629
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure this out because I was like, there's

630
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>no way they kept this kid's identity a secret for

631
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 1>all the way because he had to be dead by

632
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.599
<v Speaker 1>now you know that event happened in nineteen forty nine,

633
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.840
<v Speaker 1>he had to have been dead, So it's like someone

634
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>had to figure out this person's real identity because I

635
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>was trying to figure out if it wasn't like the

636
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 1>whole thing was a huge hoax, like if it was

637
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.079
<v Speaker 1>just like a made up story. And I was like,

638
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 1>do we know the real name of this kid that

639
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the extressist is based on? And it's Ronald Edwin Buckler, Hey.

640
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Robert Robert or Ronald Ronald.

641
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, you do realize that the character in the

642
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 2>book's name is Reagan, right, Yes, Ronald Reagan was not

643
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 2>a famous person outside of being an actor in nineteen

644
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>seventy or nineteen seventy one seventy two. He hadn't become

645
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.880
<v Speaker 2>a governor or anything. And how would Peter Blady wouldn't

646
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>know the kid's real name anyway, would he?

647
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.079
<v Speaker 1>It depends. I think that the information was is that

648
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the I'm pretty sure that the priests knew his real

649
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.159
<v Speaker 1>name because he hadn't know his real name, but how

650
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>they got a lot of the how he got a

651
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of the information to write the book. The actressist

652
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>was like a priest's diary. So it could have been

653
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 1>that one of the Jesuit priests didn't even write his

654
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 1>real name down in in the diary, or they could

655
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>have done a fake suiting in name and called him

656
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Robbie or Ronald Ronald Doe. I mean, dough is synonymous

657
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>with someone that you're trying to cover up their real name,

658
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.880
<v Speaker 1>so you just you know, she's a dough, he's a Doe,

659
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, Yeah, I thought that was incredible. I

660
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my.

661
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>God, I really kind of I wonder if NASA knew it.

662
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Do you think they did No, they probably didn't.

663
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, he they had to. I don't know. They had

664
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 1>to have known. They have to do extensive background checks

665
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>on people that work in those kinds. They had to

666
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 1>have known it. They had to have known.

667
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

668
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.320
<v Speaker 1>And the guy that where where he grew up to

669
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>where he grew up was a cottage city, which is

670
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>only sixteen miles from Fort Meade, Maryland, which is the

671
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>army base that is the most prevalent army base in

672
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the United States. Maryland is also where all the psychic

673
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 1>spy stuff went down, and it is also where the

674
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>NSA headquarters.

675
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Is and Langley is right there. And so wait a minute,

676
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 2>then that was in nineteen forty nine, so CIA had

677
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.519
<v Speaker 2>been in operation for two years at that point.

678
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>They had to know that that was him.

679
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.199
<v Speaker 3>He was some kind of early ok ultra experiment.

680
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it could have been, but I'm just still

681
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.679
<v Speaker 1>shocked that the so he was born in nineteen forty nine,

682
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>he was supposedly possessed by demons in nineteen forty nine,

683
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he would have been fourteen. That would have made him

684
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old whenever he was possessed possessed by these demons.

685
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 1>And then twenty years later, in nineteen sixty nine, he's

686
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 1>working on the Apollo eleven mission as an engineer. That

687
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 1>would have made him what twenty thirty thirty two fourteen

688
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 1>plus thirty four. He would have been thirty four years

689
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>old working on the Apollo Love mission. And then he retired,

690
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:20.679
<v Speaker 1>and he retired in two thousand and one.

691
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.159
<v Speaker 2>That is very, very odd. I don't know what to

692
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 2>say about that. Cosmic coincidence proceeded way over time. But yeah,

693
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 2>So another weird thing about all this is that when

694
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I first met my wife, she was living in a

695
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.719
<v Speaker 2>town called Nayak, New York, just north of New York City,

696
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 2>and so I go to New York. I was living

697
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>in the West Coast. I go to New York, you know,

698
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.599
<v Speaker 2>every couple of months this year, and we're just girlfriend

699
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend at the time. And then one time she goes, oh,

700
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>we really have a lot of fun tonight. I oh, yeah,

701
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 2>what do we do? She said, Oh, I'm not going

702
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 2>to tell you. It's a surprise. So I was Okay,

703
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:06.559
<v Speaker 2>We get in her car. We drive to this really

704
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:11.800
<v Speaker 2>fancy neighborhood in Nayak, New York, big mansions and everything,

705
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, WHOA, I got pulled up to this big,

706
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 2>huge mansion and we get out and we walk in,

707
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:20.360
<v Speaker 2>walk up to the front door, knock on the front door,

708
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 2>and Ellen burst it answers and we're at her house.

709
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 2>And Exorcist was her breakout film. By the way, she

710
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>became one of the greatest actresses of her generation, but

711
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:35.360
<v Speaker 2>her breakout film was The Exorcist. And we had dinner

712
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.639
<v Speaker 2>with Ellen Bursley with good friends with my wife, and

713
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I actually got her to talk about the Exorcists, because,

714
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, to tell me about it. And she told

715
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>me that in that scene in the bedroom where Reagan

716
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 2>does all her stuff, throws all the record albums around

717
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything, she said that Friedkin had a rope on

718
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>a polly attached to her back and the technician was

719
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 2>supposed to give a little hug and jerk her back

720
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:06.079
<v Speaker 2>onto the ground, but freaking, being the mad man that

721
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 2>he is, told the the guy pulling the rope to

722
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 2>get another guy. I have two guys pull the rope

723
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 2>as hard as you can. And so they pulled the

724
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>rope as hard as they could and injure her back

725
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>for the rest of her life. So anyway, it's just

726
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.440
<v Speaker 2>really interesting. I don't beat many celebrities, and I just

727
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 2>happened to know the star The Exorcist, who was.

728
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 3>A nobody too. By the way, at the time, No,

729
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.679
<v Speaker 3>there's no stars in that movie.

730
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Everybody was a nobody, and they were really surprised when

731
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 2>the film made almost two hundred million dollars, which was

732
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>unheard of in the early seventies.

733
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>So the little boy that the movie that The Exorcist

734
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 1>is based on grew up to be a Nazi engineer

735
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>that helped Apollo eleven spacecraft get to the moon. So

736
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Qbriic Stanley Kubrick was supposed to direct the movie. Not

737
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the extor system is based on in real life by

738
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a boy who was possessed in nineteen forty nine by demons,

739
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>which we've discussed was more than likely mental illness or

740
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse, who grew up to be a NASA engineer

741
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 1>for the Apollo eleven space shuttle. If you break turned

742
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 1>it down, and then made a movie about abuse, possession,

743
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 1>psychic abilities, mind controled assassins, government cover them up, and

744
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:30.679
<v Speaker 1>the faking of the moonlanding.

745
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 3>That is I don't even know what just happen. That is.

746
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>It would always say that's proof that we're living in

747
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>a simulation because I have no idea how that so

748
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:53.800
<v Speaker 2>many coincidences, and then he retires in two thousand and one, right, yeah,

749
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, so that's pretty wild. The Exercist is much

750
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>more we think it is. And you know, I like

751
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>to get into maybe later other shows, a couple of

752
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.559
<v Speaker 2>other films that kind of go into some of this

753
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this kind of dark stuff that a lot of people

754
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 2>don't see in the film, but what you open it

755
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.639
<v Speaker 2>up and look at it, you see it. And I

756
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 2>don't think anyone's ever connected The Exorcist to you know,

757
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:31.480
<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse and child abuse and acquiring psychokinetic and telepathic

758
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.559
<v Speaker 2>abilities as a result of that abuse, which you now

759
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>know is the truth.

760
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. When I was looking in all this stuff last night,

761
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, Jay's going to flip out.

762
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to know what to say about this

763
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 1>because I still don't even really know what to say

764
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>about it because it's so unbelievable. It's almost like a

765
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>movie in and of itself. And you know, also with

766
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 1>the sexual abuse stuff, I mean that was what was

767
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.679
<v Speaker 1>going on in Lolita behind the scenes, so Cubric had

768
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 1>to have been privy to what was happening there. So

769
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:04.960
<v Speaker 1>then you.

770
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 3>They had to he had to have known all of this.

771
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>And you know, frankly, the the ending scene in Eyes

772
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 2>White Shot is Tom and Nicole handing off their daughter

773
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 2>to the two creeps that were at the party earlier, right,

774
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And that's the very last scene in the movie, is

775
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.199
<v Speaker 2>her heading down that hallway at Macy's with those two

776
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 2>guys that are in the movie all through the movie,

777
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the same two guys, right, And it's clear that you know,

778
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 2>this is this is the reason why Kubrick probably didn't

779
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>last too much longer after he showed the film to

780
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 2>the Warner Brothers executives in nineteen ninety nine.

781
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 3>And you know, so I don't know. It's like.

782
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>There's some revelations there too. You send me a video

783
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 1>the other day. Then Cee I a aging basically revealed

784
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that he's the one that gave over Stanley Kubrick to the.

785
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.639
<v Speaker 3>Secret Society. Yep.

786
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And because Kubrick broke the rules, and I'm the

787
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 2>guy that broke out the story, by the way, or

788
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the original story of people in the lobby of the

789
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>theater carrying a huge argument going on after the movie

790
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>played to the Warner Brothers executive. I was told that

791
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:30.800
<v Speaker 2>by an assistant to Stanley Kubrick's. He was an American

792
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 2>and I only talked to him on the phone, but

793
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.920
<v Speaker 2>he was there. He said he heard it. He heard

794
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Stanley yelling out, this is my movie and you're not

795
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 2>going to cut it, and you know, yeah, we are

796
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>going to cut it, and we're going to cut you too.

797
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that, I mean, who would who would have seen

798
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.199
<v Speaker 1>the original cut of the film. It would have been

799
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.039
<v Speaker 1>the actors and the executives right there would have been

800
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the only people that would have seen the original cut.

801
00:51:58.920 --> 00:51:59.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

802
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:03.239
<v Speaker 2>And there's there's just there's continuitiors that are unexplained. Only

803
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 2>filmmakers we'll see them. So they're kind of hard to explain.

804
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Even what a continuity air is. It's difficult to explain.

805
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:14.159
<v Speaker 2>But Kubrick was not we know from the shining and

806
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>the clockwork shining. He planned his continuity airs. They were

807
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 2>a part of his storytelling. So he would take a chair,

808
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 2>move it and put it back and stuff like that.

809
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was a continuityor no.

810
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.480
<v Speaker 3>No it wasn't. He's doing He's messing with your head.

811
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:32.400
<v Speaker 2>But the continuityars in eyes white shot don't make any sense.

812
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.679
<v Speaker 2>They don't tell you anything. It just feels like there's

813
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 2>something left out right that they've had to put these

814
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.360
<v Speaker 2>two pieces of film together with a giant chunk in

815
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the middle, all gone right, and you can't figure it out.

816
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:47.119
<v Speaker 3>What's going on?

817
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Why is this here? Why is there a gap year?

818
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Why isn't anything being explained? And it's because they cut

819
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the living crap out of it. There's no doubt about

820
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 2>they admitted it that they did.

821
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>So the only people would be like Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman.

822
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I just watched the last episode of

823
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Mission Impossible last night, and let's tell you what. After

824
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Eyes White Shut, Tom Cruise turned into a conspiracy theorist.

825
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:25.519
<v Speaker 2>The entire Mission Impossible series is one long conspiracy. I

826
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 2>mean by these driving forces that are secretive and you

827
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 2>don't know who they are and you find out the

828
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.039
<v Speaker 2>end it's all an AI called the Entity, which is

829
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:40.119
<v Speaker 2>very similar to how by the way, And so I

830
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 2>think that working with Stanley made Tom a much more

831
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting person.

832
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I think so too. All the things that I've heard

833
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 1>about Tom Cruise, he seems like a down the earth guy.

834
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, he's probably hated by a lot of

835
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.239
<v Speaker 2>guys because he's so handsome, and so he probably gets

836
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of jealousy. But I know people that know him,

837
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>they say he's a great guy. He was certainly patient

838
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>with Stanley.

839
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they filmed as Why Chuck for that went over

840
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>only two years.

841
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Over a year. I know that.

842
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<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine, you know, shooting a movie that long.

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<v Speaker 2>I would go crazy, go out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But Satta Hubrick was great and William Freakin is a

846
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<v Speaker 2>great director. William Peter Bladdie also did another film, by

847
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<v Speaker 2>the Way that he wrote and directed after the Extrecist,

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<v Speaker 2>called The Ninth Configuration. And what's interesting about it is

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mental military mental institutions where it takes place

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<v Speaker 2>supposedly in Oregon, and the whole point of this mental

851
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<v Speaker 2>institution is to find out if the people acting like

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<v Speaker 2>they're crazy that are in the institution are faking it

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<v Speaker 2>or are they really crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the whole point of the whole movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the whole and they find out that most

856
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<v Speaker 2>of them are faking it, that there aren't really crazy.

857
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<v Speaker 3>The just faking it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's interesting that Glad he would make

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<v Speaker 2>a film about that. And then and he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>such extensive links in The Exorcist to try to explain

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<v Speaker 2>with psychological methods how she's doing what she's doing. So

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<v Speaker 2>even he doesn't seem quite sure about if she really

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<v Speaker 2>possessed or not, is what I'm saying. And priest, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you had telepathic abilities because of abuse, and

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<v Speaker 2>a Catholic priest too, you don't even know what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>You're twelve years old, comes to visit you and talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you. You read his mind and realize he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>to everybody's full of demons.

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<v Speaker 3>And all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then maybe you might start acting like that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just to get scared of him, because you don't have

872
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<v Speaker 2>that dude in your room anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like the demonic possession and the actressism

874
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<v Speaker 1>is a way to cover up real abuse. And that

875
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<v Speaker 1>seems like is the undertone of what the Actressist is

876
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<v Speaker 1>really about. And that's what William freaking is trying to

877
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>expose within the Actressist. Is that cover up? Is that

878
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<v Speaker 1>the sexual abuse cover up by the church?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's exactly what I think. And he put up

880
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 2>with the last third of the movie and the Exorcism,

881
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.559
<v Speaker 2>because and he made it look as torturous on that

882
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 2>poor girl as he could, didn't He he was showing

883
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 2>them abusing that poor little girl. And and and Peter

884
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<v Speaker 2>Blade's writing up the script and tell her we got

885
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<v Speaker 2>to do this. They do this, and he's like, oh, yeah,

886
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to show how you guys really treat people.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what I think is going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, then when you look at the institute as well,

889
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<v Speaker 1>it's essentially the same thing too. They kidnapped these kids,

890
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<v Speaker 1>they torture them, they psychologically torture them, They give them drugs,

891
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<v Speaker 1>they shoot them up with some sort of substance in

892
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<v Speaker 1>the arm, like a green liquid with a gun, and

893
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>then they put these like a screens around them and

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<v Speaker 1>show them images to essentially break their psyche and activate

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<v Speaker 1>their psychic abilities.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Using all the stuff that Kubrick talked about in Clockwork

898
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<v Speaker 2>Orangine The Shining, only now it's in a Stephen King

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<v Speaker 2>mini series.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, what with all the.

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00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:38.719
<v Speaker 2>References to the Shining, So clearly either Stephen or the

902
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<v Speaker 2>guy that wrote and directed the movie or the series

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<v Speaker 2>is understands the relationship between the Institute and what Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>is saying in the Shining and which we prove it

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<v Speaker 2>in a clockwork Shining.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we do. I think we were spot on,

907
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<v Speaker 1>and Stephen King had to recognize that and done and

908
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<v Speaker 1>wrote this book. I mean, you also have Room Too

909
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<v Speaker 1>fourteen oh eight as well, and that was like a

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<v Speaker 1>quase weird mk ultra book and movie, which I also

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<v Speaker 1>think was in relation to Stephen King's portrayal of the

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00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Shining as well. So you know, Stephen King was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you you took my movie and kind of did

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you wanted to do with it. Then I'll make

915
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<v Speaker 1>an entire movie that surrounds one hotel room like Room

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty seven, not the documentary, but like the actual

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<v Speaker 1>room within the Shiny two three seven, and I'll make

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<v Speaker 1>an entire novel about a guy inside of one singular

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<v Speaker 1>hotel room.

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<v Speaker 3>Very very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and yeah, so anyway, everyone up watch The Exorcist.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch it with new eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>The devil may not be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he is. Jay, thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for coming on, really appreciate it. Could you let people

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<v Speaker 1>know where they can find you online and where they

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<v Speaker 1>can watch both of our documentaries.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both up on Amazon to b Apple, just type

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<v Speaker 2>in JKX or a clockwork Shining. They've hugely influential films.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm even surprised by it. And yeah, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>show on a YouTube called reality Check. You check out

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<v Speaker 2>my free stuff at Jaywidner dot com and all of

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<v Speaker 2>my movies and documentaries are up on either Amazon or Gaya.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much, Ja Easter upper in Amazon, Amazon Baby,

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon prim in too be things for coming on. Really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Appreciate everyone in the chat. Please be sure

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<v Speaker 1>to hit the thumbs up button out the channel on

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<v Speaker 1>well for notifications, and we'll see you guys next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye
