Speaker 1: I'm still tall.
Speaker 2: Rast listen to sand Jobs up versus the Shall.
Speaker 3: Stop Up, Oh Cogan and the Rock in the same
Speaker 3: way you would never take my wife and the head
Speaker 3: of the day.
Speaker 1: The pass guy some day said, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: fuck not Mines texting us them off. It will be
Speaker 1: the Rock, it will be Austin believe and they're a
Speaker 1: strike is.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, what's going on?
Speaker 5: And welcome back to w w E Retro on the
Speaker 5: w W podcast on this Saturday, February twenty fifth. And yes,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm a lazy guy and I forgot or
Speaker 5: I didn't forget, but my schedule was just far too
Speaker 5: busy yesterday and I am a day late on this
Speaker 5: as I am, I would say probably fifty percent of
Speaker 5: the time. But I am here, and obviously kind of
Speaker 5: just wanted to put a bow on what happened at
Speaker 5: Elimination Chamber. Obviously you heard my thoughts with Matt this
Speaker 5: past Monday on the current state of WWE, and I
Speaker 5: just wanted to say, I guess, on my own personal
Speaker 5: experience being inside the Bell Center and present for Elimination Chamber,
Speaker 5: probably the best crowd I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 5: I've probably been to about a dozen WWE shows, both
Speaker 5: Raw SmackDown live events and now by first ever pay
Speaker 5: per view. And not to get into the Sammy and
Speaker 5: Roman stuff, because you know my thoughts on it, the
Speaker 5: Cody stuff, there's no reason for me to regurgitate that.
Speaker 5: But all in all, I want to say that it
Speaker 5: was a very successful pay per view. I am disappointed
Speaker 5: with the direction that they ultimately decided to go in.
Speaker 4: But overall, what a pay per view.
Speaker 5: And I have to say that pay per views as
Speaker 5: a whole since Triple H took over have been absolutely
Speaker 5: excellent and hopefully that try and continues as we are
Speaker 5: just what five weeks out from WrestleMania, and obviously it's
Speaker 5: going to go fast. We already kind of see the
Speaker 5: outline of how WrestleMania is going to shake out, and
Speaker 5: all in all, very good pay per view and one
Speaker 5: of the best pay per views probably ever put on
Speaker 5: in Montreal. But obviously today we're going to go back
Speaker 5: in time and we are going to go back to
Speaker 5: WrestleMania two thousand aka WRESTLEINGA sixteen, And this was a
Speaker 5: WrestleMania that I think was underwhelming in a lot of ways,
Speaker 5: and not talked about, primarily because first and foremost, both
Speaker 5: the Undertaker and Stone Cold Steve Austin were not present
Speaker 5: for this WrestleMania, as both were dealing with injuries.
Speaker 4: So right off the bat, you have two of the biggest.
Speaker 5: Stars that the industry has to offer, not at your
Speaker 5: disposal for the biggest show of the year. And for
Speaker 5: the Undertaker, I believe this is the only WrestleMania that
Speaker 5: he was not present at. From whenever he debuted, I
Speaker 5: want to say his debut was wrestling he seven. I think,
Speaker 5: not gonna quote me on that, but I think it
Speaker 5: was about wrestling A seven. But oh wait no, because
Speaker 5: at rest My eighteen he had been Oh so it
Speaker 5: must have been like wrestling at.
Speaker 4: Four or five.
Speaker 5: Actually crazy how long he's been around. But during his run,
Speaker 5: I believe that Wrestling is sixteen was the only WrestleMania
Speaker 5: that he missed, and obviously Wrestling at thirty five as well,
Speaker 5: But I meant more from like the streak run from
Speaker 5: like all the way up until twenty fourteen, when he
Speaker 5: did ultimately lose to brock Lesner, that was the only
Speaker 5: wrestling that he was not a part of. So obviously
Speaker 5: a big, big missing piece there, and then obviously Stone
Speaker 5: Cold Steve Austin. Stone Cold Steve Austin arguably the biggest
Speaker 5: star that the company has ever produced, that we've ever
Speaker 5: seen in the wrestling business, and he was a very
Speaker 5: big missing link here. So all in all, we get
Speaker 5: to a match in the main event that I think
Speaker 5: a lot of people thought was going a different way,
Speaker 5: The Rock winging the Royal Rumble. Triple H is the
Speaker 5: long standing world champion heal World Champion that is newly
Speaker 5: aligned with his new wife, Stephanie McMahon, And you know,
Speaker 5: I thought that the way was paved here for Triple
Speaker 5: H to clash with the Rock, and we didn't get that.
Speaker 5: We got a different match, and a match that was
Speaker 5: more gimmicky, a match that involved a lot of outside interference,
Speaker 5: specifically the McMahon family, and one that I think that
Speaker 5: maybe WWE would like a mulligan on if they could
Speaker 5: do it all over again. But before we get to
Speaker 5: the main event, we're gonna take a look at all
Speaker 5: the matches that kind of built up to the that
Speaker 5: once in a while lifetime main event. And I say
Speaker 5: that very very uh not, I guess fasheciously so the
Speaker 5: card opens in a tag team match a Big boss
Speaker 5: Man and Bill Buchanan, Bull Buchanan rather defeating The Godfather
Speaker 5: and Dilo Brown with iced Tea and the Hoe Train,
Speaker 5: in which obviously the ho Train is the side of
Speaker 5: the times. The year turning two, two thousand and we're
Speaker 5: still kind of in that rebellious area, to put it lightly,
Speaker 5: But I don't know if you guys remember that, but
Speaker 5: Bill Buchanan, if you guys remember him, he was alongside
Speaker 5: John Cena for a bit in two thousand and three
Speaker 5: as B Squared and Bull Buchanan and Big boss Man
Speaker 5: pick up the win in nine minutes and eight seconds,
Speaker 5: not even for the tag titles. Just a grudge tag
Speaker 5: team match to open WrestleMania, and not often you see
Speaker 5: that anymore. Just seeing tag team matches on the card
Speaker 5: seemed to be rare, but nowadays just seeing a grudge
Speaker 5: tag match is almost completely not a thing. Then one
Speaker 5: of the more I guess interesting matches and unique matches
Speaker 5: we had ever seen, and it was the Hardcore Battle
Speaker 5: Royal for the WWF Hardcore Championship, and it was a
Speaker 5: fifteen minute time limit and it wasn't even a Battle
Speaker 5: Royal basically, it was that it was a absolute free
Speaker 5: for all and whoever was the champion by the end
Speaker 5: of the fifteen minutes would walk out as the hardcore champion.
Speaker 5: So let's say you scored a pinfall in the first minute,
Speaker 5: you had to now hang on to that title for
Speaker 5: the preceding fourteen minutes. So it wasn't like a one
Speaker 5: fall to the finish or who gets the most championship victories.
Speaker 5: It's just whoever is the last man standing at the
Speaker 5: end of that fifteen minutes. And the likes that were
Speaker 5: involved in this match were hardcore, Hally Crash Holly entered
Speaker 5: as the champion, Taz Viscera, the A p A, the
Speaker 5: Crash and Thrasher. So, I mean, it was an absolute disaster.
Speaker 5: Here Funaki with Kaye and Tie his partner the main
Speaker 5: Street Posse. It was just an absolute It was a
Speaker 5: gong show and it was hilarious. It was absolutely hilarious,
Speaker 5: and I have to say that it was all hell
Speaker 5: cut of broke loose as this match came to a head, I.
Speaker 1: Want to smell the trash can one of the nice
Speaker 1: machina What are you doing.
Speaker 6: Wrong?
Speaker 1: He doesn't they didn't know anybody.
Speaker 7: He is the champions.
Speaker 2: He never did have both doors in the water. Oh
Speaker 2: nailed Joey as the brain cell disappeared. I have a cousin, cool.
Speaker 1: Grass. Holly went to the cover. Is cousin mark four?
Speaker 1: Make sure it didn't consummate the three give to two
Speaker 1: minute of warning, tons two minute warning two minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, we got a crack r By task. You
Speaker 1: have a cripple room and like a row By task.
Speaker 7: Yeah, up and not with crashing the ring with his
Speaker 7: cousin and that press got the cover and Tas had a.
Speaker 6: Power out.
Speaker 1: In twenty five seconds. Hook at this as instinctively going
Speaker 1: for those those pens. That's what his conditioned to do.
Speaker 1: Did you see Tans. I think he's just looked at
Speaker 1: the clock. Oh, because you're just suit clix b donkey right.
Speaker 1: Don't want to hear the front of them flord fronts
Speaker 1: people grunk kicked my heart, brolly run over the paste
Speaker 1: and ten times had to kick out. Oh, I'm stand
Speaker 1: him in a minute. We're gonna take this, gonna hold on,
Speaker 1: Yeah you will sep up my tags. That's the only
Speaker 1: man in the ring.
Speaker 8: He's gotta tell you how many had shots pans the
Speaker 8: only man to grow clean Minturn's Holly's count the three.
Speaker 6: Listening another.
Speaker 1: Turny crash, then crass hold on, then get that crash
Speaker 1: crash turn you hold off? He got thinking of.
Speaker 6: Something take.
Speaker 1: Cor cord by Park kept out?
Speaker 6: Why did not going in the title?
Speaker 1: Okay? Us a courcy here?
Speaker 9: How to me?
Speaker 1: Who did any time disappear?
Speaker 6: Craft?
Speaker 1: What is a tall man? How? Wait?
Speaker 6: Wait a minute?
Speaker 1: Ohmen, I like, my god, I think we have price
Speaker 1: can park. We hadn't we park this season?
Speaker 6: I'm there.
Speaker 5: So, as you heard, it was a very clunky finish
Speaker 5: and it didn't make much sense. And I think in
Speaker 5: a match like this there are a lot of issues
Speaker 5: that could arise when there's just so many people running around.
Speaker 5: And you even heard JR. Referencing that even though Taz
Speaker 5: was the world champion, he kept going for pinfalls anyway,
Speaker 5: So he kept going for these these covers and even
Speaker 5: though he was the champion, and it seemed like a
Speaker 5: lot of people were unclear with what was going on,
Speaker 5: and it's probably why we never saw this match format ever. Again,
Speaker 5: as you know, the hardcore title I think relatively took
Speaker 5: a back seat at this point. Well, it would hang
Speaker 5: on I guess until about two thousand and two, so
Speaker 5: for another two years. The next match on the card
Speaker 5: you have Test and Albert along with Trish Stratus known
Speaker 5: as TNA. I guess you guys could connect the dots
Speaker 5: go head to head with the head cheese called al
Speaker 5: Snow and Steve Blackman in another grudge tag team match.
Speaker 5: In seven minutes and four seconds, Test and Albert get
Speaker 5: the victory. Very yet to get a one on one
Speaker 5: match at this point, so that's kind of the theme
Speaker 5: of this WrestleMania. Actually, as you'll come to realize, is
Speaker 5: that still no one on one content three matches in.
Speaker 5: Then we get to the fourth match of the night
Speaker 5: that went twenty three and a half minutes, and it's
Speaker 5: edgend Christian versus the Dudley Boys versus the Hardy Boys
Speaker 5: in a triangle ladder match for the WWF Tag Team Championships.
Speaker 5: And once again not a tag team match or not
Speaker 5: a singles match, but I would say that this one
Speaker 5: blew the absolute doors off. And this is the match
Speaker 5: I'd like to call the forgotten TLC match that these
Speaker 5: three teams had, because for one, it was not dubbed
Speaker 5: the TLC match, it was a triangle ladder match, but
Speaker 5: it basically was a TLC match, and it was the
Speaker 5: first but of the first class that these three teams
Speaker 5: would have, and then they would have two other ones
Speaker 5: at SummerSlam that same year and Wrestling He was seventeen
Speaker 5: the year after, and obviously Wrestling seventeen is the one
Speaker 5: everyone talks about. But I mean, this was an excellent
Speaker 5: match in its own right, and it was fun because
Speaker 5: that spot where Edge spears Jeff Hardy from the top
Speaker 5: of the ladder as Hardy's hanging onto the titles down
Speaker 5: to the ring. They originally did this spot at WrestleMania,
Speaker 5: at this Wrestleman rather, but people don't talk about it,
Speaker 5: And but it was different because it was Jeff Hardy
Speaker 5: climbing the ladder and Edge going to the top rope
Speaker 5: and spearing him off the ladder. So they did the
Speaker 5: exact same spot, but just to a bit of a
Speaker 5: different variation and obviously a much more iconic visual and
Speaker 5: much more dangerous. But this match was excellent in its
Speaker 5: own right, and it certainly had its high spots of
Speaker 5: its own.
Speaker 8: Nobody's gone, No, Godly, how's gon Ti to come in here?
Speaker 8: Father Death? That's harness mood. Maybe we've any of us.
Speaker 6: Have little See.
Speaker 1: That's an amazing this is that so something amazing? Mans?
Speaker 1: Then again, how many feet in everything that is at
Speaker 1: the shock those laugh? Is there anybody kept party?
Speaker 2: Mama Dudley lying in the hallway in the ray there's
Speaker 2: a touch of fats.
Speaker 1: Well, what haven't these guys done? Those men they are
Speaker 1: did you think of anything? I really can't keep What
Speaker 1: else could these men come up with? H Christian and
Speaker 1: and math Hardy had the same idea climb the ladder
Speaker 1: into that thing.
Speaker 7: You read that table. I said that the book could
Speaker 7: happen here. There's a belt, there's a tag team championship belts.
Speaker 1: They not got a hold of it. The tack toles
Speaker 1: are hanging in the same as the careers of these
Speaker 1: young man you the balls hey HEGs Christian Man Hardy,
Speaker 1: the books mean right time the prison of top Christian
Speaker 1: Christian printed us Henry chandsomly you know. But they're ning
Speaker 1: and stall lie there form things game.
Speaker 5: And just like every other that these three teams have
Speaker 5: edging Christian come out and come out on top. And
Speaker 5: why I kind of consider them as the best tag
Speaker 5: team in the history of WWE, and that's obviously subjective,
Speaker 5: but that's just my opinion. And this particular victory because
Speaker 5: this was the first ever WrestleMania I watched live and
Speaker 5: I remember this visual iconically in my head of them
Speaker 5: sitting on the table spread across or sitting on two table.
Speaker 5: Let me say that again, easy enough for me to say, guys,
Speaker 5: a table sitting on two ladders acting as like a platform,
Speaker 5: an edging Christian kind of just having like a platform
Speaker 5: to just slowly take down the belts and then sitting
Speaker 5: on the table with the titles and kind of soaking
Speaker 5: in the victory afterwards. So obviously a big time moment here,
Speaker 5: and obviously was just the first insolvement of a.
Speaker 4: Three series match.
Speaker 5: Then after this you get another Hudge tag team match
Speaker 5: or sorry, you don't want to gip over the next one.
Speaker 5: Terry Runnelds with the Fabulous Mula against the Cat in
Speaker 5: a cat fight with Valvius as the special guest referee.
Speaker 5: Two minutes and twenty four seconds. Not even a point this,
Speaker 5: but I will say in a big match, the only
Speaker 5: singles match on the card, crazy, the only one on
Speaker 5: one match, but it still was a cat fight, so
Speaker 5: it technically wasn't a singles match. Crazy, I thought we
Speaker 5: finally found one guys, but no, they are a rarity
Speaker 5: in this wrestle native for sure to find one on
Speaker 5: one contest. Then a six person intergender match of China
Speaker 5: and two Cool defeating the Radicals of Perry Saturnine Malenko
Speaker 5: and Eddie Guerrero in nine minutes and thirty eight seconds.
Speaker 5: Again another grudge tag team match, this time in the
Speaker 5: six way version, and this would kind of start the
Speaker 5: storyline between China and Eddie Guerrero as I guess a couple,
Speaker 5: so at least you had that to come out of it, Mamacita.
Speaker 4: This is where Mamasita started.
Speaker 5: Then a very underrated match the a two fall contest
Speaker 5: for the Intercontinental Championship and then the European Championship with
Speaker 5: kurd Angle defending both titles against chrisp. Ben Wah and
Speaker 5: Chris Jericho in a match that went thirteen minutes and
Speaker 5: forty eight seconds. And it was a coming out party
Speaker 5: for all three of these guys, specifically kurd Angle, who
Speaker 5: was just on a terri since coming into the company
Speaker 5: in late nineteen ninety nine, and then Chris Jericho, obviously
Speaker 5: one of the most iconic and historic debuts when he
Speaker 5: broke in as Y two j and the first fall
Speaker 5: goes to Chris Benwa, who walks out as the Intercontinental Champion,
Speaker 5: and the second fall goes to Chris Jericho, who walks
Speaker 5: out as the European Champion, And just like that, kurd
Speaker 5: Angle loses both the mid card times they so proudly
Speaker 5: carried into this wrestling. But a very good match honestly,
Speaker 5: and I mean that's a giving given the three guys
Speaker 5: in the contest for sure. And then another grudge tag
Speaker 5: team match with Kin and Rakishi along accompany of the
Speaker 5: Ring by Paul BarreR defeating Degeneration x'es X, POC and
Speaker 5: Road Dog a very forgettable period of time for Degeneration
Speaker 5: X for sure in a match time on four four minutes.
Speaker 5: Again whatever, The best part about this match was probably
Speaker 5: Kane once again tombstoning Pete Rose in the middle of
Speaker 5: the ring. I believe this was the one where he
Speaker 5: was dressed as the chicken too, So that is really
Speaker 5: why this match felt so important, or felt important at all. Rather,
Speaker 5: it didn't feel so important. Why I think people still
Speaker 5: talk about it is because I believe this was the
Speaker 5: third time in a row that Kane would tombstone Pete
Speaker 5: Rose at a wrestling and then Pete Rose got a
Speaker 5: stink faced by Rakkeishi. So an extra dessert for Pete Rhodse,
Speaker 5: if you will. And then we get to the main
Speaker 5: event of Triple H with Stephanie McMahon defending the World
Speaker 5: Championship or the WWF Championship against the Rock with Vince McMahon,
Speaker 5: Mick Foley with Linda McMahon and the Big Show with
Speaker 5: Shane McMahon, And like I said at the beginning of
Speaker 5: the show, it was very bizarre that they decided to
Speaker 5: go with this match a fatal four way. I believe
Speaker 5: it's the only fatal four way match for a world
Speaker 5: title at a WrestleMania in the history of WrestleMania. They're
Speaker 5: just so rare because it is so gimmicky. And this
Speaker 5: wasn't just a fatal four way, it was an elimination
Speaker 5: of fatal four way. So I mean, like you were
Speaker 5: hoping to get the Rock in Triple H at WrestleMania,
Speaker 5: and I believe Triple H said on the Logan Paul
Speaker 5: podcast or whatever it's called the Paul Caz, I don't
Speaker 5: know what the exact name is. Logan Paul's show that
Speaker 5: one of his biggest regrets was not having a one
Speaker 5: on one match with The Rock at WrestleMania, and he
Speaker 5: mentions that I believe it was a backlash or judgment
Speaker 5: day they would have, which was a month or two
Speaker 5: after this, him and The Rock would have that iconic
Speaker 5: one on one match that they thought they were gonna
Speaker 5: have here, and I believe it was a sixty minute
Speaker 5: iron Men match, a really good contest between the two,
Speaker 5: and that's what should have been because with Stone Cold
Speaker 5: Steve Austin out, the Rock took the place of Steve
Speaker 5: Austin as the top tier babyface in the company, and
Speaker 5: Triple H took the shoes of the Rock as the
Speaker 5: top heel in the company. And these two were really
Speaker 5: fighting it out. And not to say that either were
Speaker 5: Stone Cold Steve Austin, but these were still two megastars
Speaker 5: and two stars that would have been the top guys
Speaker 5: in any other generation. And it felt a lot like
Speaker 5: over compensation for not having Stone Cold Steve Auston. At
Speaker 5: the end the Undertaker, it felt like they were trying
Speaker 5: to make up for that lack of star power by
Speaker 5: just overloading the main event, and as we know, Vince
Speaker 5: whenever in doubt would think that putting his family on
Speaker 5: television would kind of peak people's interests, which is why
Speaker 5: every single McMahon was a manager, and I believe one
Speaker 5: of the gimmicks of this entire wrestleming was a McMahon
Speaker 5: in every corner. So obviously Vince McMahon felt strongly about this,
Speaker 5: and the one thing I will say. The one thing
Speaker 5: I will say is that the mcfoley story, like the
Speaker 5: preceding three months or so and his program with Triple
Speaker 5: H at the matches, at the Royal Rumble and at
Speaker 5: No Way Out and Triple H retiring mcfoley kind of
Speaker 5: made this match make sense. And obviously Linda McMahon was
Speaker 5: the one who brought mcfoley out of retirement for his
Speaker 5: one final shot at WrestleMania for the WWF Championship, So
Speaker 5: at least from the mcfoley standpoint, you really kind of
Speaker 5: felt an emotional attachment as to why he was put
Speaker 5: in this match.
Speaker 1: Well, the lines, those six.
Speaker 7: Men may never be the same after the Triangle Ladder match,
Speaker 7: and I wonder how many lives will be changed, and
Speaker 7: certainly changed forever.
Speaker 1: After the fatal four way elimination match, mcfoley.
Speaker 7: In what could be as final contest, turning the World
Speaker 7: Wisting Federation, along with Linda mcvn, the woman responsible for
Speaker 7: Bringey mcken Tonight's into tonight's main event.
Speaker 10: Nick, all I can say is I'm very happy that tonight,
Speaker 10: finally you're going to have the opportunity to fulfill a
Speaker 10: lifelong dream WrestleMania in the main event.
Speaker 4: Go for it.
Speaker 11: Kevin Kelly's very obviously looking at the triangle ladder match,
Speaker 11: and nobody's letting anything, nobody's holding anything back.
Speaker 1: Tonight. It is the biggest show in this year.
Speaker 11: This is the biggest year in the WWS history, which
Speaker 11: makes it the biggest match in the history of the WWS,
Speaker 11: certainly the biggest match in my career, and thanks to
Speaker 11: Linda McMahon, mcfoley gets a second chance to make a
Speaker 11: last I want people talking about this match.
Speaker 10: For the next ten years.
Speaker 11: So I do believe that at WrestleMania, it's like a
Speaker 11: fairy tale for me, Kevin Kelly and Triple H Rock
Speaker 11: Big Show.
Speaker 1: Fairy tales can come true. It can happen to you.
Speaker 1: But I won't be us tonight and won't company the
Speaker 1: final match of my career. Fairy tales will come true
Speaker 1: for me. I'll tell you what. Nobody there.
Speaker 5: So Mick Foley obviously playing the underdog part of this whole,
Speaker 5: this whole story, and then the guy who really felt
Speaker 5: like the odd man out going in was the Big Show.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: He had a program with The Rock leading up to
Speaker 5: this wrestling, so I guess that was his in that
Speaker 5: he technically should have won the Royal Rumble. Then he
Speaker 5: defeated the Rock in no way out and was a
Speaker 5: way for him to come in. But even when you
Speaker 5: tried to play for Big Show's reason and Seae McMahon
Speaker 5: by his side to be a big player in this match,
Speaker 5: it really felt like he was the only guy that
Speaker 5: you knew had no chance at the world title.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, wow at.
Speaker 7: The Reason White Tonight there will be a new World
Speaker 7: Wrestling Federation Champion.
Speaker 1: Check it out. Seven foot two, five hundred.
Speaker 7: Pounds of the Big Show, the next World Wrestling Federation Champion.
Speaker 10: Nothing against Bennie mac but that wild regime is out
Speaker 10: and the McMahon owns a thing.
Speaker 1: Well that's now strictly pass because the Big Show and
Speaker 1: Shane ol' mack. Tonight, our era begins. I wish my
Speaker 1: mom was not there, but that being a side, tonight,
Speaker 1: Big Show, you will become the World.
Speaker 12: Wrestling Federation Champion, the most electrifying man in sports entertainment.
Speaker 12: Tonight gets unplugged and Bick Foley will be retired for
Speaker 12: good and as far as triple each goes game over.
Speaker 5: So they're trying to play on the thing that you know,
Speaker 5: Big Shows the biggest guy in the company. He's the
Speaker 5: new blood in a latways, had only been around for
Speaker 5: about eleven or thirteen months in WWE, and that shaming
Speaker 5: man is finally going to take his place as the
Speaker 5: new top.
Speaker 4: McMahon in the business.
Speaker 5: And obviously, I mean, if you fast forward twenty three years,
Speaker 5: obviously we know he has almost nothing to do with
Speaker 5: the business, which is kind of crazy to think about,
Speaker 5: but I mean it still was back at this point
Speaker 5: in time a reasonable angle to play as to why
Speaker 5: Big Show was kind of shoehorned into the main event.
Speaker 5: But again, he was the one that I think everyone
Speaker 5: kind of thought, like, Okay, he's the one guy that
Speaker 5: we know will not be walking out as the WWF champion.
Speaker 5: But then you had Vince McMahon in the corner of
Speaker 5: the Rock, which was very bizarre, right. You know, Vince
Speaker 5: McMahon the over the top heel, the Rock, the top
Speaker 5: babyface in the company. So what exactly was Vince McMahon's
Speaker 5: angle for being in the corner of the Rock, aside
Speaker 5: from the fact that he just had resentment against Triple
Speaker 5: H and his daughter for aligning to kind of go
Speaker 5: against him.
Speaker 12: Lency'll be in the Rocks corner tonight in the fatal
Speaker 12: four way elimination matchup.
Speaker 1: Will you be a factor? Will I be a factor?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 13: I would like to think that wherever I am, I'm
Speaker 13: some sort of a factor one way or the other.
Speaker 10: Although, for the record, the Rock is very confident of
Speaker 10: becoming World Wrestling Federation Champion tonight at Wresselemania, and he's confident,
Speaker 10: I'm sure whether Vince mcmahnon is in his corner or not. Well,
Speaker 10: what about the other three McMahon family members who will
Speaker 10: be in the other three corners tonight?
Speaker 1: Will they be factors?
Speaker 13: I've heard that the McMahon family is dysfunctional. I'm not
Speaker 13: so certain that I would necessarily agree with that, although
Speaker 13: if you will recall I did say that at Wresselemania.
Speaker 13: I not only promised, I guaranteed to make it right.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, I don't care what he says
Speaker 1: make it right. It's not about what's white and what's wrong.
Speaker 1: It's about who is the best. It's a night I'm.
Speaker 9: Gonna prove it to the world, just like I always
Speaker 9: had the fortune night. I'm gonna show the world that
Speaker 9: I am the game. I'm gonna show the world who
Speaker 9: the man is. I'm gonna show who the world West
Speaker 9: One Federation Champion is. I will not be beaten because.
Speaker 1: I won't allow it.
Speaker 5: So you hear Vincent Man's very cryptic comments, you hear
Speaker 5: Triple H reaction to that, and you know Vince McMahon
Speaker 5: kind of cutting a promo almost like Vince mcmatt not
Speaker 5: like the over the top Misser Man character, saying that
Speaker 5: he'll make it right after you know, losing the Triple
Speaker 5: H in their hardcore match. I believe at Armageddon nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety nine when Stephi McMann turned heel on him and
Speaker 5: he was gonna do that by lining with the rock
Speaker 5: and the last guy to hear from all this was
Speaker 5: the Royal Rumble winner and the favorite in a lot
Speaker 5: of ways to walk out as WWW champion, The Rock.
Speaker 1: The time has drawn near. We're literally a brown cheer
Speaker 1: a lot. It's time.
Speaker 3: Twelve months twelve months ago, after every interview, after every
Speaker 3: run in, after every backsteven, after every win, after every lost,
Speaker 3: after everything that don't have the Rock, and after everything
Speaker 3: a Rock.
Speaker 1: Is gone back.
Speaker 3: After every tupslam, after repremnable flaw, after every pedigree, the
Speaker 3: Rock says, this is if you can do it all
Speaker 3: over again.
Speaker 11: He will say that finally the Rock's come back to
Speaker 11: wrestle Mania.
Speaker 5: So the Rock confident as ever as he prepares for
Speaker 5: the fatal four way elimination match, and the match would
Speaker 5: kind of start going as you as you would have
Speaker 5: thought as big shows. The first one eliminated, then you
Speaker 5: get McK foley and the Rock team up on Triple
Speaker 5: H for a bit as it becomes a triple threat match,
Speaker 5: and then eventually it comes down to mcfoley and Triple
Speaker 5: H turning on trip on the Rock, as the whole
Speaker 5: angle was that he wanted Triple H for himself in
Speaker 5: a one on one match. But ultimately mcfoley does get
Speaker 5: eliminated and we get the result that I think we
Speaker 5: all thought it was coming towards which was the Rock
Speaker 5: and Triple H would be down to the final two
Speaker 5: in this match. But before mcfoley leaves, he would hit
Speaker 5: Triple H with the barbed wire baseball bat for good measure.
Speaker 5: So you have the Rock against Triple H. They do
Speaker 5: get out Sean McMahon, who obviously left the arena when
Speaker 5: he when Big ChIL got ELIMINATEDE comes to ring side
Speaker 5: and tries to interfere on behalf of Triple H and
Speaker 5: ends up knocking out his father with a steel chair.
Speaker 5: So now you have Triple A, you have vince ment
Speaker 5: Man get help to the back, and you have Sha
Speaker 5: mcman at ringside helping Triple H against the Rock. But
Speaker 5: not before vince Ment Man could come back down to
Speaker 5: ringside and in his mind, as he said earlier in
Speaker 5: the show, make it right.
Speaker 1: I remember on the small occasion, let us get lest
Speaker 1: they got this go tair.
Speaker 6: You'll tell me you like.
Speaker 1: Like you.
Speaker 6: Man, and I had a chair and still you got
Speaker 6: to the fast the last.
Speaker 1: He's different, he's differ. It's done. It's maybe come on, man,
Speaker 1: it is pretty.
Speaker 6: Snow it man, just snow. He'll still tail just diff
Speaker 6: my tail here.
Speaker 1: You roots the on there? What time? Have floods going
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: What what twice mac lay master.
Speaker 6: Backnaim no hat no life is l one of them pair.
Speaker 1: That's like, h don't mind what is going on it?
Speaker 6: Blick wouldn't see so.
Speaker 1: I can get pack it. I looked out there. What
Speaker 1: kind of doctor like he would pay that best?
Speaker 6: Macmam? What is that about about? Took?
Speaker 1: What said? They still a girl?
Speaker 8: And then a little genius for bucking lee back? They
Speaker 8: pack they probably night. Then a big flam on my
Speaker 8: back and okay, it's what's the figs? He was the
Speaker 8: sentences that fall.
Speaker 1: Yes, So.
Speaker 5: Obviously you have Vincement man turn heel, which is classic
Speaker 5: Vincement man on the rock and align himself back with
Speaker 5: his daughter Seae McMann comes back in the ring. They
Speaker 5: embraced with one another. And this was crazy because the
Speaker 5: fans were literally littering the ring like there's a there's
Speaker 5: a visual at one point where you see Vince going
Speaker 5: to hug Stephanie and someone fools like a cup full
Speaker 5: of a liquid of some sort and it just drenches
Speaker 5: Vince's back and people were pissed. And I think this
Speaker 5: was the first WrestleMania where the babyface did not come
Speaker 5: out victorious. Excuse me, guys, where the babyface did not
Speaker 5: become victorious or come out victorious as the Royal Rumble winner,
Speaker 5: Like that's typically the payoff for WrestleMania. Not always, but
Speaker 5: it was typically and his story the year before this,
Speaker 5: Austin de Thrones, The Rock, The year before that, Austin
Speaker 5: d Thrones, Sean Michaels, the you know wrestling at twelve,
Speaker 5: Austin wins the belt from Brett Hart, Like it's usually
Speaker 5: that the babyface Roald Rumble winner would walk out as
Speaker 5: the champion, And this was a major swerve that I
Speaker 5: think was kind of overthought and overbooked because they were
Speaker 5: trying to compensate for the lack of Stone Cold Steve
Speaker 5: Austin and the lack of the Undertaker. And maybe this
Speaker 5: was Vince's way to get back positioned as a top
Speaker 5: heel after spending so many months as a babyface, and
Speaker 5: obviously he was always the best heel, arguably the best
Speaker 5: heel in the history of the company, and this was
Speaker 5: probably a way for The Rock to have that same
Speaker 5: beef and vendetta towards Vince and you know the Vince
Speaker 5: McMahon regime, and what we would come to know is
Speaker 5: the McMahon Helmsley.
Speaker 4: Regime, as Steve Austen did. And that's the best way
Speaker 4: I could put it.
Speaker 5: But it's just tough to send this kind of swerve
Speaker 5: out a WrestleMania, although we'll get a Vince McMahon swerve
Speaker 5: the very next year as well, and The Rock once
Speaker 5: again would come out on the wrong end of that too.
Speaker 5: So unfortunate back to back years for The Rock at
Speaker 5: the hands of Vince McMahon. But although The Rock didn't
Speaker 5: walk out with the championship, he would get his retribution
Speaker 5: before the night was over.
Speaker 1: Time. So, oh, do a dip? Theres the P?
Speaker 6: What a step?
Speaker 1: PERSI gott mean stepping in? Do you gonna get the PA?
Speaker 1: Somebody let some good at space. I'm like, you a
Speaker 1: good kid or fall by what step the name?
Speaker 6: Name?
Speaker 1: Do not?
Speaker 6: My God not to play the fall right now?
Speaker 1: You can't believe what I'm saying. My mom got to
Speaker 1: spring at a time.
Speaker 6: Well he just take a three nigga and turn says, do.
Speaker 1: Tell turn in?
Speaker 6: Not that name.
Speaker 1: That's stepping in the bad not the big of that by.
Speaker 5: So they give the fans some kind of something to
Speaker 5: go home happy with, kind of akin to what we
Speaker 5: saw WrestleMania wrest Elimination Chamber this past week, but it
Speaker 5: would start this new storyline of Vince and Triple H
Speaker 5: aligned with one another. And look, I think it was
Speaker 5: a bit overbooked. I think wrestlings should typically be the
Speaker 5: big payoffs. But I understand why.
Speaker 4: They did it. I just think it was over compensation
Speaker 4: and I think in.
Speaker 5: Retrospect everyone involved would have rather just the Rock versus
Speaker 5: Triple H for the World Championship.
Speaker 4: But anyway, guys, that's all I got for you today.
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