WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:05.919 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:11.679 Bert Breer, My friend, what is going on? 3 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:13.119 Hey? 4 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:14.199 Gary? How are we doing it? 5 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:18.079 It's been too long, but like hey, personality is back 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.039 in Foxborough. Man Mike vrabel At, the stand up comedian, 7 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:22.480 the guy that used to hold court in front of 8 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:26.440 his locker during it, you know, every every Wednesday down 9 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.800 there in Foxboro is now running the ship. So Burt 10 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.120 from sports illustrator that's joining us here on night Side. 11 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:33.479 I want to start with Mayo. We're going to cover 12 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:35.280 the coaching situation for the Patriots. I want to start 13 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:35.600 with Mayol. 14 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:36.600 I love the guy. 15 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.600 I'm biased. I worked with him. I thought he was 16 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:40.960 in a no win situation. 17 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:43.119 What did you think? 18 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.719 Because I just feel terrible for him. 19 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.920 Yeah, I mean, I you know, obviously he wasn't ready 20 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.640 for the job. So I think that's where you start. 21 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:54.600 But then you do that going in. You know, I 22 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.719 think what happened last year or over the course of 23 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:00.920 this year, or was it just a complete system failure? 24 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:05.159 And everything that could go wrong with that franchise has 25 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.359 gone wrong over the last five years, And you know, 26 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.920 I don't think you can isolate the single year and 27 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:17.760 act as if like it was just a blip because 28 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:19.200 they've been building towards. 29 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:19.599 Us for a while. 30 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.560 The roster was no good, right the the the organization 31 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:25.439 is behind the rest of the NFL in a lot 32 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.640 of different ways, and look like it's because they were 33 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:31.840 doing it in a way that worked for them for 34 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.120 a long long time under Bill. 35 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:34.159 But Bill's one of one. 36 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:36.680 There aren't there is anybody else who can do the 37 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:38.480 job the way that he can. So you take that 38 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.719 piece out, you don't replace it with the sort of 39 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:44.439 numbers that you needed. 40 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.560 They were short all over the place. And you know, I. 41 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.200 Think some of that even showed up while Bill was 42 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:51.640 still the. 43 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:56.920 Coach, And so certainly and Girodd was Drod was inheriting 44 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.719 something that that that was in need of total overhaul, 45 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.200 and you know he's starting that overhaul while he's learning 46 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:04.000 how to do the job. 47 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.079 It was an impossible situation. And yeah, I say that 48 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.599 in restros tech now it's easy to in restrosp I 49 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:10.520 just think it's the truth. 50 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:12.439 Yeah, I think so too, And like I said, I 51 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.439 hope the guy gets another shot to coach. When he 52 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.800 went back into coaching, he was working with us. He 53 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.319 was also working with in the pharmaceutical world. He's a 54 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.319 bright guy. He had a couple of businesses. I said, 55 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.919 you're nuts, said, you're out of your mind. If you 56 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:26.719 want to go back and coach, you're going to take 57 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:28.759 a pay cut from your business life. 58 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:30.800 I go, You're you're crazy. But he wanted to do it. 59 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.159 I just you know, I just hope he if he 60 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:35.680 decides to get back in, and I hope he gets 61 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.400 another chance. Now bringing us to Vrabel, you know, Vrabel 62 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.960 did say that Bill had given him a chance or 63 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.280 asked him to come coach, and he backed away from it. 64 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:49.520 And I think the blueprint is exactly what he did. 65 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.479 He left New England, and we all know he get 66 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:56.039 traded to to the Texas and I mean Kansas City, 67 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.680 Kansas City, Kansas City. But he was an assistant at 68 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:04.280 Ohio State. He was a position coach with the Texans. 69 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:07.400 And then did he ever become defensive coordinator with you 70 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:08.680 Siner or with Rome. 71 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.039 He was the DC for one year, He. 72 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.000 Was the DC for one year after Roami retired, okay, 73 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:15.080 and then he becomes the head coach. My point is 74 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.479 like Rabel didn't come back here and just sit under Bill, 75 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.240 because I really think in some ways it's hard to 76 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:25.080 develop your own style and become your own man over 77 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:28.639 somebody like Bill, who's arguably the greatest defensive coach in 78 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.560 the history of the game. 79 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:32.080 Yeah, and I'd also say this. 80 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.439 I remember having a conversation with with my back when 81 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.639 he was a player, and I love the connection, the 82 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.439 High of State connection, and we were talking about Chris Stielman, 83 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.759 and you know, Chris film is obviously a legendary and 84 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.919 everything else. When Jim Trussell got the job at Ohio State, 85 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.120 Chris Fielman was up for it and really wanted it, 86 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.960 but he'd never coached before. And you know, Mike, Mike 87 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.680 had said to me. This was obviously years later. 88 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:01.479 I was a college on trust with that higher but. 89 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:06.639 Mike had said to me something along the lines of, well, 90 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:09.560 you know, I felt like saying to Chris, like, yeah, 91 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:10.759 of course he didn't get the job. 92 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:11.759 It's a huge job. 93 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.520 You have to learn how to do it. It takes 94 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.600 a while to to put the skins in the wall 95 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:19.800 to get a job like that. And you know, I 96 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.079 think that's sort of the approach he took to climbing 97 00:04:23.079 --> 00:04:25.040 the ladder. And you know, I think a lot of 98 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.000 people felt like once he went back to Columbus he 99 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.160 would never leave, you know, but he he winds up 100 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:33.000 spending three years there. Then a Bill O'Brien comes and 101 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:34.720 gets him. Bill O'Brien had tried to get him a 102 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.079 Penn state, and you know, I think there was some 103 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:38.920 loyalty to O'Brien. He gets to see the way that 104 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:40.839 system work, and then he gets for his own ship. 105 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.439 And yeah, I think going through working in college, seeing 106 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.560 the way Ervin Meyer ran a program, seeing the way 107 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:47.480 Bill O'Brien ran. 108 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.120 A program, gatting the chance for on his own program, and. 109 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:52.199 Then this year going back and getting to see kemic 110 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.439 Stepanski and Andrew. 111 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.920 Berry do it a completely different way than what he 112 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:56.560 had learned. 113 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.600 Yeah, I think gives him a good, you know, a 114 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:01.079 good on a spectrum. 115 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.800 Of experience to draw them. 116 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.519 And you know, I think it's some of the job now. 117 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.759 I think that the mistake the Patriots can make here 118 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.800 is again they think this is a one person problem 119 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.279 because it was. And I think that's some fair to 120 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.120 drive Mayo to look at it that way. I think 121 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.040 it's whistling by the graveyard if you're the team and 122 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:21.399 you know it's The one concern I have with the 123 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.879 hire is that you didn't go through a full process. 124 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:26.120 So how much looking in the mirror did you really 125 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.959 do when you went and brought back a guy who's 126 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.279 from your quote unquote family, your football family show, without 127 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.319 running much of a certain That's the one concern Gary 128 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.040 is like, are they just identifying this as a one 129 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.279 person problem and Mike Frabel is going to come in 130 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.279 and fix everything up? That's the way they were looking 131 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.319 at it that I think they got another thing coming. 132 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:47.600 Well, I agree with you, and it's a whole rebuild. 133 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.680 They have the quarterback and they have a cornerback and 134 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:52.959 that's that's about it right now. So have you been 135 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:59.120 able to pinpoint the structure of the team is now? 136 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:01.720 Wolf has to be out. I mean he has to 137 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:02.839 be right. 138 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.879 I mean no, see, I I don't think so, and 139 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.360 I I think they have a few months to figure 140 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:10.560 this out. But I mean we will say. I know 141 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:13.959 for a fact, Mike's done his research on Elliott. You 142 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.800 know he's they have, you know, common friends. There's one 143 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:20.120 in Tennessee, Chad Brinkers his name, he's the president of 144 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:23.439 football operations there. He came up in the business with 145 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.079 Elliott in Green Bay, and Mike and Chad, both Ohio guys, 146 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.800 worked together in Tennessee for a year, so there are 147 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.279 some common connections there, and you know, look like the 148 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.040 jobs big for one person, you know. 149 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:41.079 So the call I mean that I agree with. 150 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:42.600 You think it's Mike. No, I think I think it's Mike. 151 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.040 I think but but but here's where here's where I 152 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.360 think you make you can make a mistake very easily, 153 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:49.120 is thinking it's. 154 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:50.560 Going back to being the way it wasn't a built 155 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.040 because that. 156 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:55.560 Doesn't really exist anywhere anymore. Like where I mean Bill 157 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:59.879 was like running in season while he you know, like 158 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.560 he'd be he'd he'd be with the scouts on Friday mornings, 159 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:06.439 on a Friday morning, looking at like the tight ends 160 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.920 in the next year's draft. You know, he was trying 161 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.519 to wear all hats Bill was. Mike's not going to 162 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.040 do that, you know what I mean, Like, and you 163 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:16.720 can't ask the coach to do that in this day 164 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.639 and age. The job is just too big and so 165 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:21.160 it won't be set up that way. But I do 166 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.600 think Mike is going to have, you know, a very 167 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:26.519 big say in personnel, and I think it's going to 168 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:30.079 be set up the way some of the more coach 169 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.959 centric structures across the NFL are. Again like it's you know, 170 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:36.040 that doesn't mean that he's going to be setting the 171 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:40.160 draft board or breaking down four hundred college players, you know, 172 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.720 but obviously he's gonna be very influential in the way 173 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:44.920 that Elliott Wolf in that department look at things, and 174 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:47.000 and Ryan cavan is going to be a voice for 175 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:48.360 him in that department as well. 176 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.600 Well, that's good to hear because and by the way, 177 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:52.600 Burbrew was with us some Sports Illustrated talking about the 178 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:56.959 Patriots and Rabel because you just long, this by committee 179 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.639 stuff doesn't work, you know where and again I don't 180 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.040 know what was going on with your Rod, but there's 181 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.920 all kinds of rumors like he was meeting with ownership 182 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.439 during the week and then you know, was he in 183 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.360 charge of the offense? Was the offense on their own page? 184 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.839 All of these things that it was, you know, a 185 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:15.959 democratic society and it doesn't work. 186 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:18.839 I mean, well, you know you have to say that, you. 187 00:08:18.839 --> 00:08:21.040 Can say, you can say that, but like look at Baltimore, 188 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:24.399 look at Pittsburgh. You know, there are there are situations 189 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:26.360 where it does work, like that you know what I mean. 190 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.399 Okay, Well, give me an example of Burt, Like I say, 191 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.559 Baltimore and for Baltimore Pittsburgh. If there's a disagreement on 192 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:34.919 picking the player, who makes. 193 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:37.720 Somebody has to have the trigger, somebody who. 194 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.039 Has the trigger. That's all I'm saying. 195 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.600 But it's not like nobody had the trigger last year. 196 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.279 You know, Elliott had the trigger last year. So like 197 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:48.440 I'm not like I I I think like again, like 198 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.360 we're talking about two different things here, like we're you 199 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.039 know again, like these jobs are just too big now, Gary, you. 200 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:56.879 Know I get it. 201 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:58.759 No, Bird, Bird, I hear you. I just want to 202 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:02.159 make you know. It's just like I just once, I'm like, 203 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:04.399 okay o, they we'll push the players. He determines the players, 204 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.759 He sets the roster, Mike takes a rockster, and he 205 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:10.759 goes long as long as the responsibilities are determined, so 206 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.559 nobody's getting pissed at each other and you don't have 207 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.879 these little fiefdoms within the building. That's all I'm talking about. 208 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.039 Yeah, and that and that's let me look by my 209 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.480 experienceiest way you avoid that is to win, because there's 210 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.399 not a lot of fingerpointing when winning how. 211 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.200 Many how many years? Bert? What do you think? How 212 00:09:30.200 --> 00:09:33.399 many years do you give years? I say three? 213 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.879 Anyways, I think I think, like you know, by by 214 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.320 twenty twenty six, you want to be in the playoffs, yes, 215 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:42.399 And I think you have to give him some grace 216 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.080 this year because I do think like and I know 217 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.759 a lot of people have looked at and said, well, 218 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.679 you can just spend one hundred and whatever million dollars 219 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:53.240 in free agency and fix everything. I actually, I actually 220 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:56.240 think there's going to be some subtraction here too. Like 221 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:59.639 I think, you know, everybody talks about addition. I think 222 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.320 there's some degree they've done, like what a message has 223 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:05.080 been the last couple of years. Mike's gonna be weeding 224 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.639 some players out too, you know, so you have you 225 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.879 may have some holes on the roster in three months 226 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.639 that you don't that don't exist right now. In other words, like, yes, 227 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.159 you're adding, but you're also gonna be subtracting in some areas, 228 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.840 and so to some degree you might be triding water. 229 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:21.440 You know. 230 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.360 I think you know you're looking for this year. I 231 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:29.480 think some level of improvement, and I think you want 232 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:31.559 the team to be getting better by the end of 233 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.039 the year, and I think, you know, you get to 234 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.559 December January, and now you're starting to see what the 235 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.720 team's going to become when they're really good, and then 236 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.080 you feel like you're going into twenty twenty sixth fine, 237 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.519 you know, I don't think all six and eleven or 238 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.720 seven in ten seasons are created the same, but I 239 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:50.679 think if they're in that in that range and it 240 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.519 looks like they're ascending at the end of the year, 241 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.200 then I think you can you can live with that, 242 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:58.519 you know, well, you can't live with I think. And 243 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.039 the problem for Jiro was at the end of the year, 244 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.000 there was really no light at the end of. 245 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:04.879 The tunnel, you know. 246 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:06.639 And I think like if you look at some of 247 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.240 the teams that were bad over the last few years 248 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.679 that had new coaches that were figuring it out, Like 249 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.240 I'd even look at that Arizona team. They were not 250 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:17.720 very good last year, but the last month of the 251 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.240 season they beat Pittsburgh and Philly, so you started to 252 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.919 see what Jonathan Gannon was building. And then the next 253 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.000 year they're close to five hundred, you know, Detroit, like 254 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.600 in twenty twenty one, they started I think it was 255 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.840 like I think it was ten and one, and they 256 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:35.840 finished the season three and three. Now you're still three 257 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:37.519 thirteen to one, but you see a little light at 258 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.120 the end of the tunnel. I think that that's what 259 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:43.039 Mike's gotta get the team, give the franchise, fan base, 260 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:44.440 everything else by the end of the year. 261 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:45.840 Burt, can you hang on or you just get a 262 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:46.759 few more questions for you? 263 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:47.799 Yep? 264 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.159 All right, thanks, Bert bur joins our Sports Illustrated. We're 265 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.559 back after this in wbz's Nightside. Now back to Dan 266 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:57.919 Ray live from the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ 267 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:02.480 News Radio Sports Illustratings with us in the next few minutes. Here, Bert, 268 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.200 thanks for hanging in. Okay, I watched all of the 269 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:12.039 press conferences from Foxborough, where you know, Vrabel comes walking 270 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.600 out and goes, hey, Roachie, you know, and just so 271 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.919 it's not so inside baseball when Mike was here. Mike 272 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:25.039 used to bust our chops in the media constantly. There 273 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.559 was nobody better at it. He was great at it. 274 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.759 I think sometimes he was really pissed off and other 275 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.919 times he was just you know, you know, joking around. 276 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.440 We did one bit on NBC Sports Boss and it 277 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.840 was Comcast Sports and at the time where I put 278 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.919 on a helmet and he like bull rushed me, and 279 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:44.240 I mean he barely moved. He sent me twenty five 280 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:50.039 yards down the field and it hurt. But I want 281 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.840 to tell him that the honeymoon period's going to end quickly. 282 00:12:55.919 --> 00:13:00.559 Yeah, you know that's does he get that? Like it's 283 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.879 not you know, it's not going to be easy. 284 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.399 Yeah, he's a popular higher of course, you know. I 285 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:13.879 think that again, Like it's weird because I don't know 286 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:19.240 that like anybody should expect some sort of magic turnaround here, 287 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.200 But I think there are like little things that you 288 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:27.759 can have as your expectations, right, Like, so whoever he 289 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.960 chooses to be the offensive coordinator the quarterbacks coach, like 290 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.159 I think you should you should reasonably expect some improvement 291 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.159 from Drake May. And like you know, it's like Bill 292 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.919 would say, like the biggest improvement players between year one 293 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.279 and year two. Okay, Like, so what does that look 294 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.320 like with Drake May? And what did Drake May look 295 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.200 like going into going into twenty twenty five and coming 296 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.080 out of twenty twenty five? Does the defense look like 297 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.200 it's playing with some identity? This Christian Zalid fuck he's developed? 298 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:59.559 What do they do at receiver? 299 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:00.000 Right? 300 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.480 Have they hit on a couple of receivers? Is a 301 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.039 tackle situation look a little bit better? So, you know, 302 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:07.919 I think that there are things that like, I think 303 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.919 there are things that we can identify as problems that 304 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.360 you would hope that like would start to show the 305 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.200 signs of being fixed. And then and not that you 306 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:16.559 can be. 307 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:16.960 Able to fix. 308 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:20.399 All the biggest issues with Patriots have is that so 309 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.639 they have so many holes that happened to be at 310 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.159 premium positions. It's really hard to fix all of those 311 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.440 that wouldn't want to fell swoop, you know. And then 312 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.320 I think the development of young players is going to 313 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.120 be really important because you know, when he when he 314 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.799 walked into Tennessee, he did sort of have already made team, 315 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.399 you know, and that team had been in the playoffs 316 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.559 the year before. Dave de Parker Murray at running back, 317 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.759 Dereck Henry was the back of the time. I believe 318 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.480 Thede Marcus Mariotto was a young veteran at the time, 319 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.879 you know, So you had some pieces in place that 320 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:54.919 Kevin Byron was there in the secondary, and they had 321 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:56.759 they they had been a pretty good team the two 322 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.519 years previous hundered by ball Arkey. This team's behind where 323 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.639 that team was. Like, let's see, like we'll how the 324 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.320 young players are developing, Let's see how if the problems 325 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.039 are starting to be fixed. I think that's how you'll 326 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:10.840 be able to judge him in the year one. And 327 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.240 you know, I think where the honeymoon ends is if 328 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.279 you know those things, if you don't see some of 329 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.000 those things happening, regardless. 330 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:19.759 Of whether or not a teams you know, more wins 331 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:20.039 than the. 332 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.360 Scoreboard, does Josh become the O C. 333 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:27.360 Yeah, I think it's possible. You know, Josh gonna have 334 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:30.480 a lot of interest, and there are gonna be teams 335 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.600 that are gonna lose their offensive coordinators for good reasons, 336 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.360 right like you know your destroys your Buffalo is Like 337 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:37.960 there'd be teams like that that are gonna lose their 338 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.679 offensive coordinators that I think will have an interest in Josh. 339 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.960 So there could be an opportunity for Josh to go 340 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.519 and join a winner. You then they're gonna be I think, 341 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:50.360 you know, other opportunities for Josh with first time head 342 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.879 coaches or new head coaches going into places that that 343 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:54.320 that they. 344 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:55.639 Would have Josh on their list. 345 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.840 So I think he's gonna have opportunity in different places. 346 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.720 And you know, I like I. I certainly think like 347 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:05.320 the New England is something he consider, But I don't 348 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:09.320 think it's the only possibility for him, you know, and 349 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:11.840 and and and I do think this undergreen Mike has 350 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.639 in the past at least leaned in different directions offensively. 351 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.120 So you know, how does he how does he see 352 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.960 Josh versus somebody who comes from the sort of west 353 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:27.039 coast system that we we saw him run and we saw. 354 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:28.519 Him oversea, at least in Tennessee. 355 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:31.159 I think that's another interesting question to ask. 356 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.919 Yeah, the final thing here, Bert, I just heard it 357 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.519 was reported that Belichick had not signed his University of 358 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:39.840 North Carolina contract. 359 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:41.960 Yep, what's going on. 360 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:47.080 Not unusual, So they have I think it's I think 361 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.279 it's I think it's called a memory memorandum of understanding 362 00:16:50.320 --> 00:16:53.039 that is more or less the term sheets. A long 363 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:57.720 perform contract hasn't been done yet. For context, this happened 364 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.960 in Michigan last year when Shrown Moore took the job 365 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:03.000 from Jim Harbor. I don't he look this up. I 366 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.720 don't think that contract was signed until September or October. 367 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:08.960 So obviously the question then is whether or not the 368 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.359 ten million dollar buyout applies. And I'm not going to 369 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:16.200 pretend that I'm smart enough to understand a contract well enough. 370 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.920 To know whether it does. There could be some dispute 371 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:18.559 over that though. 372 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:20.680 Well, I mean, I never wondered does he get hide 373 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.680 by like the Bears or. 374 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.839 I mean, here's the thing, though, like, I think if 375 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.720 that was going to happen, I think, just from a 376 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.400 timing standpoint, and like like Bill, I don't think Bill's 377 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:36.200 going to go run off an interview with somebody, now, Okay, 378 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.599 it would kill him. It would kill him in recruiting, right, 379 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.559 which is like the lifeblood of building a college football team, 380 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.480 And I'd imagine it wouldn't go over well with his 381 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.200 new bosses. So I like, because of that, Gary, at 382 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.519 least at this point, it's hard for me to see 383 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:55.079 it happening unless someone just blindly comes in and flat 384 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.640 out and offers him the job. And that doesn't happen 385 00:17:57.759 --> 00:17:59.599 very often in the NFL, you know what I mean, 386 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.039 where there's no vetting and there's no sit sit down 387 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.000 and meet and great and all that different stuff. So 388 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:07.799 I think at this point, like could it happened, I guess, 389 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.279 but you know it would take a pretty rare circumstance 390 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.119 where somebody just comes in and offers him the job. 391 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:16.759 I don't know. I don't know whether or not that happens. 392 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:20.480 I would think probably not, but I've seen crazy. Bert. 393 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:20.920 I owe you. 394 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:24.319 Thank you for hanging out and talking to me, but 395 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.279 best of your family. Hope everybody's good and we'll talk soon. 396 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.240 Do you too, Gary, appreciate you having no more problem. 397 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.359 Burt Brier one of the good ones, Albert Breer. Albert 398 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.319 Breer is official byline. As Rob Brooks asked me, do 399 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.240 we put on the document out? I said, yes, you 400 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.160 put Albert Breer. Tom Currne only want to call them Albert. 401 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:42.400