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Speaker 1: Well off of a lighter weekend that has seen a

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WBA strawweight titled fight in Australia. We span the globe

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We have got Canelo Alvarez fight week looming as well,

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Hello there, welcome back in. I am the somewhat competent host, TJ.

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Speaker 2: Hello Dan Rayfield.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back with you as we come off

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of the weekend. Not exactly a stellar weekend, I'm being kind.

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There were some fight results, but we hey, we have

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meat on the bone here for the podcast audience.

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Speaker 2: We had a feed to savages, how you.

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Speaker 3: Doing I'm doing good, and it was you know what,

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I'm not upset sometimes when there's a light Saturday night.

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You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I understand, call you your mother, do something.

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Speaker 3: We in boxing, who follow it religiously, who work in

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some capacity, whatever the case may be. Unlike every other

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sport that I'm aware of, anyway, maybe UFC might be

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a similar situation. There's no off season. Boxing goes basically

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year round. I mean it used to be when I

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first started, there was the networks would not ever even

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think about scheduling something after like the second week of November.

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They might do one show at the beginning of December,

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and that, you know, because they didn't do stuff around Thanksgiving,

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but certainly certainly by the second week of December. There

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was nothing for about a month between second week of

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December till about the second week of January. That was

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I used to joke around that was like the off season,

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right right, And even now that is not the case.

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Now there was always the Japanese fights around the New

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Year's holiday, but that wasn't so much particular to the

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American audience. But now there's nothing is sacred.

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Speaker 2: That is correct, including this show, by the way, including

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the pods.

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Speaker 3: I'm not unhappy to have the occasional side.

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Speaker 1: I got you, but we have a little bit to recap.

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Thank you for fun, thank you for finding us, make

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We preview going into the weekend, we recap going Are

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you saying there might be a little more attention on

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Canelo Berlanga this week than.

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Speaker 3: There was this yea, for sure there might be.

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Uh so we had By the way, I'm proud of you.

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I'm proud of you on the recap podcast. You know why?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've been talking for two minutes and you

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haven't said that. Off the bet Us show, you went

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four for four on your predict. You're going to be

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the caper of the week probably on bet Us across

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the star forms. Well, nobody can beat you.

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Speaker 3: The only one issue every at least tied with somebody perhaps.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you were what you had notakes by the

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knockout and you got the over in the Friday night

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Queensberry Lightweight European Lightweight World title fight, and then we

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get into it. You and I were all already sparring

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over the name Tom A Moon Nayomtrong Right, better known

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as knockout CP fresh Mark. Even though you wrote to

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further confuse me CP Freshman on the rundown, I knew

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it was fresh Mark because of you.

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Speaker 2: That's a type of I understand.

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Speaker 1: So he won in Australia by majority decision. Now I

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have to confess to the audience I have seen the

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Noakes body punch that got his win Friday night. I

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would be lying more honest to the audience. I would

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be lying if I told you I've seen the fresh Mark,

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the CP fresh Mart, the fresh Prince of bel Air's

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win over Alex Winwood, not to be confused with Steve

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Steve Winwood from the from our eighties Roll with it, baby,

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not that guy. Alex Winwood did not win the fight

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in Australia. In his home country, CP fresh Mart won

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the fight. But I have not seen this. I've read

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a recap that says he won by decision. I rely

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on you, mighty one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looks the fight is on YouTube. Uh and I

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I mean yeah, I mean highly competitive. Really, what it

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came down to was the knockdowns, because it was a

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majority decision in favor of your boy, CP Freshmart knockout,

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CP Freshmart. But the main thing about it was this was,

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in my opinion, a case of a veteran having the

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experience against the younger guy.

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Speaker 3: He was unflappable going to fight in Western Australia, in

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the home area of his opponent, Alex Winwood. Alex Winwood

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was an outstanding amateur. He was a twenty twenty Australian Olympian,

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but he only had a few professional fights, and that

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is a big difference. He only had four professional fights

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going into this belt. The champion, we can call him

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the Amtrong, we can call him Freshmart.

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Speaker 2: We can still call you prefer the CP Freshmanti.

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Speaker 3: The reigning WBA Strangway Champion. But here's the main thing

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about what happened. He has vast experience and he's not

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an old old fighter. From that standpoint, he did show.

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I was concerned, as we discussed beforehand, about the fact

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he was coming off of a layoff that was a

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little bit over two years twenty six month layoff. Now,

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sometimes you're not really too worried about layoffs, but what

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and it's a strain no matter when to make that weight.

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two knockdowns or three knockdowns, but whatever it was that

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turned out to be did He's almost had him out

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of there in the seventh round. And you know, to

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alex Winwoods, credit showed a lot of heart in that

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fight to hang in there for the rest of that round,

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and in the end it was the results were one thirteen,

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one thirteen on the one square card, but the other

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two judges had it one fourteen to one twelve a piece,

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and he dropped him in the fourth round, dropped him

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again in round seven. I think I might have I

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forget if there was two knockdowns in the seventh round

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or one was a knockdown and one was ruled to

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slip whatever it was, and then another one later in

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the fight. But the main perspective is this was youth

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against experience, and the experience went out. And now Neomtrog

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has made what twelve world title defenses he is the

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longest reigning active world champion in boxing. Now. Part of

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that is because he's had these long, long layoffs that

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he'd been a little more active over the last two

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plus years, you know, had three fights, four fights over

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that period of time. Perhaps he would have lost. But

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in the end, you can't really sneeze at twelve title

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defenses and still maintaining, by the way, an undefeated record.

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I mean, this guy's twenty five and oh, I mean,

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it's nothing to sneeze that. And when you talk about

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you know, we're probably talking more about strawweights right now.

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maybe right.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only other name is Oscar Colazo, who has

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the WBO title, and we've talked about him some and

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we've analyzed his fights and recap them. And so the

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obvious question would be, would we ever see Klaso fight

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your boy CP Freshmart? Would he have to go to

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the Far East to do it, would Ceep Freshmark come

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to this hemisphere to do it?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Look, if that fight ever were to happen, I mean,

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and this is strictly speculation, you would think that most

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likely it would be uh uh fresh mart that would

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have to travel and come here because Colaso has the

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backing of Golden Boy. There's a lot more money generally

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speaking for fights in this side of the world than

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there is in Thailand. And the reason why most of

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these smaller weight fights, especially in the Straway division, so

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many of them in know, little weight classes take place

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in Thailand is because that's where the fighters are generally

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from a lot of those smaller weight class fighters are

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from Asia, uh and and and also they don't get big,

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huge persons. But the way that the that the economics

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often work in those types of fights, it's the government

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that supports them. They go to a particular province or

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a particular area and they and they put it on

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the same way you know, uh, you would do something

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as it relates to like advertising or you know, bringing attention,

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you know, to sponsor a particular event the way it

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happens in Mexico all the time. A lot of the

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state governments in Mexico. When you see some world title

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fights or some major shows that take place in and

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around Mexico, uh, you know, for beltron at Zamford Promotions

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has made a living out of of going and getting

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government backing for certain events, and he's put on huge

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mats and title fights over the years. And it's very

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similar uh that that occurs in Thailand. So I would

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I would suspect that he would have to travel to

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uh to this part of the world. But listen, the

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way you get interest in that kind of weight class

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is if you make those types of fights. I mean, listen,

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I can't sit here and tell you that if I'm

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making my top ten list of the fights I want

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to see in boxing, uh and and any strongweight fight

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makes that list. But if you told me you know what, uh,

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neilm Trong is gonna come and fight Colaso to unify

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the titles, I'm interested. I mean, that's a wouldest for

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one hundred five pound weight class. Man. That's a very

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solid interesting fight. And you know, the other two title

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holders in that weight class are not particularly well known

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at all, at least on this part of the world.

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You got Pedro Tatterrain to Ted Duran from the Philippines,

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you are, you have Melvin Jerusalem, who's actually from the Philippines,

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is going to defend his title coming up in the

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coming week.

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Speaker 2: Who Colaso beat back what a years ago for his title.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so there's not like a huge match. So I

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guess if you were really like, at least in my mind,

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maybe somebody might different. But I was to say, if

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you're gonna make a fight in the straweight division, uh,

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to unify titles, I mean in the Philippines, I guess

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it would be a big deal if you had the

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two the two Filipinos meaning to fight each other Jerusalem

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against a tatterin But from the non Filipino perspective, I mean,

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Colaso against Neil Mstrong is probably.

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Speaker 2: The interesting that's much the more interesting fight.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we don't ever get those types of

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things unfortunately in the sport of boxing, and that apparently.

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Speaker 2: We apparently get fewer and fewer of the good things.

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Speaker 3: I will say this though, the way that Golden Boy

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has been moving Oscar Colaso and showing belief in him,

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they put him in the main event of a smaller show. Uh.

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He's got some swagger, he's exciting, he's bilingual, and he's

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you know, yeah, they might actually maybe they'll. I mean,

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all you can do is make the offer. I have

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to think though that if they really are gonna do

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something with Colaso, because you don't see a lot of

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the promoters in the in the in the in the UH,

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in this part of the world signing strawweights. It's it's

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highly unusual, right, So they did sign him, and they

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can maybe make a little business with him, whether it's

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fighting in Puerto Rican areas in the United States, fighting

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in Puerto Rico. So maybe they can, uh, you know,

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offer offer his uh you know, Neo Trounk's team some

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type of package that would induce him to come stateside

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or to Puerto Rico or what have you and make

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a fight. But that's you know, that's speculation. In the meantime,

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you know, he looked pretty good, uh beating the young kid,

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and hopefully Winwood doesn't let uh the defeat ruin him

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because he's a you know, still a good young fighter.

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He just needs the experience. I mean, he's he's not

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a young man at a straweight level. He's already twenty

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seven years old. But you know, dust yourself off, try

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to be more active, and then you should be back

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in the back in you know, win a couple of fights,

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you mightn't even need that because there's not so much

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competition in the straweight division. That's going to take you

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a long time to get another shot. And if he

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brings a crowd and has backing of his home area,

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you know you're gonna be able to induce another champion

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maybe to come visit.

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Speaker 1: I like it all right, so we're fulfilling the obligation

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of the recap. I'll ask you one question. Noakes got

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the win in the Friday night Queensbury show. We did

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handicap it on bet Us TV. Is he still at

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least a couple of contending fights away from being on

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the radar. Does he have to win two or three

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more times to be on the lightweight radar? What's your opinion?

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Speaker 3: I think any? I mean, first of all, he looked

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pretty good. He took out Gene Luca Siglia in the

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eighth round. They ended up stopping in the corner, but

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he was hurt before that. In terms of Isia contender, Look,

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you're on the radar for a lot of people. You know,

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he's going to get ranked in some of the organizations.

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that the European title typically does. You know, it's an

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important historical title, but it is somewhat of a steppingstone.

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who come from Europe, many of them they go through

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the pathway where they get a European title before they

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move on and fight for a world title. So it

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wouldn't surprise me if if Sam Noaks, who's now fifteen

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to oho with fourteen knockouts and you know, probably not

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into his prime yet at age twenty seven, if he

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were to defend the lightweight European title, you know, get

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a couple basically, spend maybe you have one more fight

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this year, maybe not even one more fight this year,

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but let's say spend next year two three fights, defend

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the title, and then you're going to be in a

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great position. You're still going to be young, and you

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might be ready and set to go fight for a

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world title. So I don't think it's the next fight,

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but it's not. He's not waiting years and years if he's.

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Speaker 2: Still I'm just saying this.

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Speaker 1: If you're him, getting if if you're Queensberry getting back

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in the ring, like November December January January at the latest.

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Keep him relevant because it looks like you have something

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there with the knockouts.

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Speaker 3: Frank Warren has done a pretty good job, I have

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to say, with developing some of the British talent in

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terms of guys who start off with him and you're

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not really sure prospects suspect they build them up, they

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get the European title. Did the same thing with Nick Ball.

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I saw Nick Ball, who now has the one of

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the featherweight title, saw him fight on some smaller, you know,

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on the small like lower undercards, and you know, he

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was exciting and he was like this little like steam

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engine that just threw a million punches, you know, and

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wasn't really sure if he would develop, and he has developed.

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And I think Noaks is kind of they don't have

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the same style of boxing, but they in my mind anyway,

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they fall into that kind of category where they started

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off and did their thing.

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Speaker 1: Did the same thing with Dubois, and Dubois has taken

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some knockouts, but Dubois has also gotten some wins. He's

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developed him and gotten a lot out of Dubois.

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Speaker 3: But Duba was different because when Dubai entered the professional ranks,

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he had massive height behind you. When Noakes and and

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uh and Ball entered the pro ranks, it wasn't like that.

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Speaker 2: You had to make them. You had to make them

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and had to build them, and you had to sell them.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people thought Duba was going to be,

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you know, a serious fighter right out of the gate.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, all right, So we'll see what happens with them.

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Speaker 1: So we have done the obligation, which is give you

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a recap, which is what we do.

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Speaker 2: There's what happened this weekend.

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Speaker 3: An obligation.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, But I'm saying, if you're listening to

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the Recap podcast, we sometimes have to get creative, but

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we don't have a lot to recap. We just gave

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you recaps. Peete, give us a five star review for

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God's sake that you enjoy the recaps, because where else

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are you going to get your CP Fresh Mart content

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and your Sam Noakes content.

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Speaker 3: I'm just and I can switch like it's almost like

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a like you see like State Terrence Crawford. Yes, box

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is right handed, switches easily to south, seamlessly switching back

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switches again. I did the same thing from fresh Martin

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the amschroan, it's all good.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful, all right. To the news. There is some

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news and then we got a lot of nostalgia too

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here on this pod. All right.

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Speaker 1: So it looks like that Riadd's season is going to

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come back with a very intriguing cruiserweight unification title fight.

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What is going on and win here for this? What's

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the latest?

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Speaker 3: So if you if you follow Turkey al Chet from

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Saudi Arabia on his social media, he had made a

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post a few days ago saying that he and Oscar

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de Laway, who obviously are doing business together. They work

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together on other fights and they have a lot of

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interest in virtual rotise, for example. But his post was

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that he had spoken to Oscar and that they're gonna

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do a Latino themed read season card in he didn't

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mention the date, he didn't mention the fights. But when

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you do a little make some phone calls and look around,

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it's it's not hard to figure out what he's talking

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about is a read card that's gonna be on November sixteenth,

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not a pay per view. And what makes it sort

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of interesting is that if you take a look at

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the brief history of read season cards that began h

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late last year with the Tyson Fury Francis Naganu show,

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and they've done a series of humongous cards. Every one

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of them has been a pay per view, and they've

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been worthy papers. I can't knock them. They've all been

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outstanding shows. I mean, Crawford, Majimov and Naganu against Joshua

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and Naganu against Tyson Fury Tyson.

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Speaker 2: We've had a day of reckoning.

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Speaker 1: We've had reckoning chaos, we've had a five versus five.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they've all been pay per views show.

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Speaker 3: All those cards are worthy shows, but it does get

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to be too much when it's nothing, nothing but pay

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per view. So I think Turkey Alshka has heard what

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the fans have to say. Say whatever you want about

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what the Saudi program is all about, but he is

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a boxing fan, and so they're gonna try to bring some.

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As we've discussed lower priced pay per views, but also

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in this particular case, a non pay per view. Part

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of the reason, I think is because even though the

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matchup we're gonna talk about is a really interesting matchup,

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it's really not the kind of matchup that's gonna engender

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large amounts of interest in terms of you have to

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pay extra money for it. So if the goal is

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to still get the read Season name and and what

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they're trying to do with read Season out to the public,

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you know, if there's nothing wrong with offering something for free. Now,

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not only would it probably be on his own, but

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Al al sheic And has post said basically, any network

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or broadcast platform interested you know, will give you this event.

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Just contact our people at read Season and will make

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the arrangements. So the fight they're looking to do is

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a in the main event. I don't it's not signed

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yet from what I am told, but it's definitely gonna

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get done unless something you know, unusual happens, which is boxing,

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so that's always a possibility. But it feels like everything

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is on the right track. Everybody wants it. Is Gilberto

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Zerdo Ramirez, who is the current WBA Cruiserweight champion who

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won the title earlier this year against Chris Billin Smith,

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who is the WBO title holder. They have been discussing

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that Chris Billen Smith has gone on his home broadcaster

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Sky Sports in the UK and has spoken about the

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fact that negotiations are taking place. I have spoken to

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people involved in that fight who say that they're very

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close to getting it wrapped up. One of the key

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signs that you know what's going to get done is

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because if you go back about a week or two ago,

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you had the WBA scheduling a purse bid for Zerdo

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Ramirez is mandatory against the former title holder Union Old Dordikos.

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But Dordekos and the Golden Boy people, with the blessing

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of the WBA, have made a deal where Dordikos will

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step aside to allow this fight to happen. As long

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as that, I guess it's part of the deal. He

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gets the first shot at the winner in the first

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part of next year, and that is a done deal.

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Dway it was expressed to me is he'll make as

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much money to stand down from this obligation as he

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would if he were going to actually have a fight.

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So from the perspective of the Dordocos people who I

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spoke to, they're like, why wouldn't we do that. We're

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gonna get paid a lot of money to not fight.

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You know, we'll make sure you know, he's going to

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train and they'll watch the fight and we'll be ready

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to fight the winner. So that'll be the main event.

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And then another fight that they've had done on the

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Golden Boys side for a while. I think this fight

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was agreed to back in June was a junior welterweight

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fight between Josey Ramirez, the former unified title holder, against

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the undefeated Arnold Barbosa. Now, they both spent their careers

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with Top Rank, then they both became free agents and

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they both wound up signing with Golden Boy within a

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brief period of time. They're both managed by Rick Margion,

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and they were trying to make that fight out Top Rank.

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It didn't get done, and now Golden Boys made that

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match and Ramirez will fight Barbosa in a fight that

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should provide the winner with an opportunity to fight for

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a title again. So that will probably be the co feature,

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and then while everything else is being sorted out, you know,

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you hear different things. So one of the guys likely

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to be on the cart as William is Apaida, who,

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as everybody knows, turkeyof Chikh's plan is to do shakhor

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Stevenson who was fighting Coordina coming up later in the

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month and then do him in his next fight against

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the PAIDA. And so while the paida is the mandatory,

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the paida is gonna get another fight this year also,

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so that seems logical. And again I don't know if

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this is a done deal yet, but another fight that's

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been out there as a good possibility is another Golden

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Boy fight. This is a really interesting matchup. To me,

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he got Oscar Duarte, a good heavy puncher who gave

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a good account of himself and a loss to Ryan

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Garcia against Kenneth Simms, who was a high level contender

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in the junior walterweight division. Taking each other out of

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another fight. I mean, there's been a bunch of different maps.

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There's one thing I can tell you though. There was

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a lot of rumors that it would be Williams z

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Apeida against George Cambosis, and I am told I check

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with the Camboses people, multiple people on the Cambos team,

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and they said, that's just not true, that George Cambos

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is not fighting Williams of Peida. That there was some

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conversation at that, but George Camboses is going up to

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one hundred and forty pounds he's done in the lightweight division,

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and I can't say I'm disappointed, because all due respect

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to my man, George Cambos is who I love as

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a just the heart and the tenacity and the boss

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to fight anybody. That would be a bad fight for

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him in my.

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Speaker 1: Opinion, especially at this stage. All Right, So we'll see

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who's the payda ends up fighting.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Lots of good info, right there, peeps on that November show.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So while we're on the same subject, you did talk

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about this briefly on our preview pod going into the weekend,

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but Top Rank has made it official on the weekend

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that the better bvbvol fight, which is headlining in Saudi Arabia,

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is theirs, and it's going to be on ESPN Plus,

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no additional pay perview. Do I have this correct? No

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additional pay per view. If you have ESPN Plus you

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can see that fight. Meanwhile, the pricing announced for the

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other fights on the card, which you have to have

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to z own to see. And let's hear it again,

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it's affordable if you want to see this, pick it up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So a lot of people have been confused about this.

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I post stuff like this on social media and people

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like they just have no fucking clue how to read.

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Speaker 1: Well listen, they're not you. And sometimes, like the school teacher,

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you have to go over it for the eighteenth time,

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go over it for the eighteenth time.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say this once again. If you live

474
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in the United States of America, you might be familiar

475
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with that large country there that sits in the middle

476
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of the globe.

477
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Speaker 2: Or you and I live either side of the Atlantic,

478
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and the most of our audience is listening to us.

479
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Speaker 3: Yes, in the United States of America. If you want

480
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to watch b VOL and Better Be for the undisputed

481
00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:22,160
light Heavyweight title on October twelfth from Read Saudi Arabia,

482
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all you do is if you subscribe to ESPN Plus

483
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,160
is turn on your app and call up the fight

484
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,039
and you'll see it live. Not complicated. If you live

485
00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:34,440
around the world and every other country that has the zone,

486
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,279
you'll have to buy it on a pay per view basis.

487
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Speaker 1: Better BV and BVOL for individually.

488
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Speaker 2: Well, no, the event you'll get so pluted. Okay, Oh

489
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it's pluted.

490
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Speaker 3: Okay, So now you're making them more confusing from people.

491
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But in the United States, while you have to. You

492
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can get the main event at no extra cost as

493
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long as you're a subscribed at ESPN Plus, which is

494
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no different than if you watch an HBO fight or

495
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a Showtime fight. You were subscribed to HBO or Showtime.

496
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Now if you want to watch the rest of the

497
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card in the United States, remember in the United States

498
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when I'm talking about your course, Stevenson, Joe Cordina, Chris

499
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,960
Ubank against Kimille Zermetta, the rematchtween Fabio Wardley and Fraser Clark,

500
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Jai Opataia defending the cruiserweight title against Jack Massey, Ben

501
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Whittaker against Liam Cameron, skuy Nicholson in a women's featherweight

502
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,599
WBC title defense against Raven Chapman. Okay, that's the rest

503
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:25,759
of the show that is going to be a separate

504
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pay per view on his own pay per view presume.

505
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,640
I'm not sure if they're going to carry it on

506
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,680
other platforms. It might wind up on your in Demand,

507
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,920
it might wind up on PPV dot com that is

508
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not tinnus, but it will certainly be on the Zone

509
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on a pay per view basis. And if Turkey al

510
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Chic the follow throughs with what he's saying it will

511
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be cheap. It will be like fifteen bucks thereabouts, which

512
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is a hell of a lot different than you know,

513
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fifty sixty seventy noways it's not worth sixty seventy eighty

514
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because even though the fights are good, you know, they're

515
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not going to be able to show the main event

516
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on the pay per view in the United States. Now

517
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everywhere else in the world, if you want to watch

518
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the event, you're gonna buy it on his own pay

519
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,720
per view period there you go. Maybe they'll make it

520
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available on a skybox on a Skybox office in Britain

521
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or TNT Sports are there'll be some other ancillary outfit

522
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,319
the way there is here in the United States where

523
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you can pick it up on you know, other other

524
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sometimes an ESPM plus basis or a PPV dot com

525
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or what have you. But think about it like this,

526
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if you want to watch the entire show does own

527
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pay per view all around the world except America. In America,

528
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,839
it's on pay per view, except the main event is

529
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free on on on a first subscribe with So the

530
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point is, if you're if you don't really care about

531
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the undercard and you really just want to watch the

532
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big fight, which this in mind that I've said this

533
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a million times, SJ. You and I've talked about it. Yep,

534
00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:43,359
best fight on the boxing schedule of the year in

535
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my mind. Better bevan people. It's just part of your

536
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sub the same way you can watch any you know,

537
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any show that's on.

538
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Speaker 2: All the content on ESPN, plus all the live games,

539
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all the stuff. It's right there.

540
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Speaker 3: But the reason for the conversation about this today is

541
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because on I forget what day was, on Thursday or

542
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,960
on Friday. Top Rank made a formal announcement with a

543
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press release with yes quotes from Bob aerm the whole

544
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nine that specifying that the main event and even talk

545
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about the underguard will be available to their subscribers. It

546
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was important to ESPN and to Top Rank to deliver

547
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this fight as a non pay per view for their subscribers.

548
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Top Rank and I'm going to give them a big

549
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pad on the back, as I have done several times.

550
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They have done an absolutely phenomenal job since they've had

551
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their agreement with ESPN dating back to twenty seventeen, with

552
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delivering virtually all of their content boxing related in a

553
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,920
non pay per view way. They've had other fights that

554
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they could, that they definitely thought about putting on pay

555
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per view that they didn't, that they probably could have,

556
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and they've done very very minimal pay per view they

557
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did like you know, Lomachenko, Devin Haney. Obviously they worked

558
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in conjunction with PBC and Fox on part two and

559
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,960
part three of Tyson Fury against Deontay Wilder, which are

560
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,279
bona fide pay per view fights, those heavyweight fights, and

561
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dated a couple of Terrence Crawford fights when yeah, they.

562
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Speaker 1: Tried those and they weren't very you know, they won't

563
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a lot of buys, but not a lot.

564
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Speaker 3: But the point is is that they have done largely

565
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mostly non pay per view, and to put a fight

566
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of that caliber as a non pay per view is

567
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a wonderful thing if you're a boxing fit.

568
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Speaker 1: Amen, let's just get to the finish line, please, because

569
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we've waited twice now with better be.

570
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Speaker 3: The I'm getting nerv well, I need I need them

571
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to wrap, uh better be than like plastic wrap.

572
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Speaker 1: Yes, because he's had the jaw surgery, he's had the

573
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knee surgery. Let's get him there, Okay. Do I have

574
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to bring this up on the rundown?

575
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Speaker 3: Yes?

576
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Speaker 1: It is because you just want to slap it and

577
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ridicule it again.

578
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Speaker 3: I also do it because I know how much it

579
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annoys the.

580
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Speaker 1: The I thank you like I don't have enough banngst

581
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in my life. Right now, the.

582
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Speaker 2: IBF has officially.

583
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Speaker 1: Announced, No, not the IBF, the promoter, well, the promoter

584
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announced and the IBF is sanctioning this. And it's it's

585
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almost on the same scale of better BV and B

586
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Bowl and Canelo this week and uh and also Furyousic

587
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rematch and all the all time Ali Fraser, you know,

588
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,440
Leonard Hearns, all the all time, you know Tyson Holyfield.

589
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Because when you think big time boxing, you think.

590
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Speaker 3: Mega fights Baby Mega fight Skull Sishkin.

591
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Speaker 2: This is happening.

592
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, When when do we have to hold our nose?

593
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Speaker 3: So William Skull the absurd, ridiculous, horrendous mandatory challenger for

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the IBF Superman Away title against Latimir Shishkin, solid up

595
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,119
and coming guy, can't really gardue too strengleous sly about it. Uh,

596
00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:37,279
this is why they stripped Canelo Alvarez to make William

597
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Skull against Latimir Shishkin. And so the promoter of William Skull,

598
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which is Agon Sports. They did a deal with Latimir

599
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,960
Shiskin's promoter, which is Dimitri Salita, and this fight will

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take place for the vacant belt. It will take place

601
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in Falconessi falcon Sea, Germany, near Berlin, for the vacant title.

602
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William Skull is a Cuban fighter, but he's based out

603
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of Germany and this is a fight that maybe in

604
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that area and maybe a few of the devout Shishkin fans,

605
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if there are any, will care about the fight. I mean,

606
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the thing is I mean, couldn't.

607
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Speaker 1: I couldn't resist listening listening to the devout fans. Maybe

608
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there are a few, Okay, And.

609
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Speaker 3: By the way, let me just say this, it's not

610
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like it's a bad fight, you know.

611
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Speaker 1: No, no, it's not a bad fight for the title title.

612
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Speaker 2: Yes, as a matchup.

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Speaker 3: If you said to me, we're doing a boxing show,

614
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you know, and uh, you know, this was like a

615
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:30,759
fight a ten rounder.

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Speaker 2: On a card, two fights down.

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Speaker 3: On a card they're fighting for like the NABF title,

618
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or they're fighting even an elimination fight, you know what

619
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I mean. Like, Okay, I'm okay with that. But to

620
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have put the greatest superstar in boxing today, Canelo Alvarez

621
00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:51,160
in a position to decide do I either vacate allow

622
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,119
myself to be stripped, or do I fight William Skull,

623
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who as if you listen to the interview I did

624
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119
with with Canelo and the previous podcast, I asked them

625
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about this, and while he didn't seem at least outwardly

626
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,440
harbor any real grief, you know, he says, the IBF's

627
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got to do what they got to do. Essentially I'm paraphrasing,

628
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,519
He's like, I don't even know who williams Skull is,

629
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which I found to be hilarious because when he fought

630
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Haimi Mungia back in May, William Skull in an eight

631
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,920
rounder fought it was such a low fight on the

632
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under card. It wasn't on the preliminary stream. It was

633
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like the third fight of the night, like a defense.

634
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Speaker 2: He probably wasn't in the building yet, he didn't know.

635
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: Canelo was like, you know, I think he was oblivio.

636
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, didn't you tell me.

637
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,599
Speaker 1: Didn't you tell me you weren't in the building yet,

638
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,039
You had not gotten in the building yet for the

639
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Skull fighter. You got in there as it was ending.

640
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

641
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Speaker 3: I didn't that it was earlier than it was supposed

642
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,559
to be, at least the way the schedule that I had,

643
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so I didn't get a chance to see much of it.

644
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,880
I'm sure Canello knew about it, that it was happening,

645
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,759
just because you know, they have to run that strip

646
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,400
buy in, because they had to make a deal to

647
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,559
do that so he could do the Mangia fight. But

648
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:54,799
they weren't going to do another one apparently, And so

649
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now it'll be Skull and Chikin on October nineteenth. Who

650
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920
knows if there's any TV in America, I have no

651
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,640
idea it'll be a YouTube fight. But you know what,

652
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,119
at the end of the day on October nineteenth, I'll

653
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,880
be busy watching Tim zoo Amen in his world title

654
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,240
fight against martazze Leev in Orlando, Florida on Prime PBC

655
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on Prime.

656
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Speaker 1: You did that just to aggravate me. You know what

657
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,759
I'm gonna press on. You know why, because we have nostalgia.

658
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,480
We have lots of nostalgia, all right, Speaking of big

659
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:28,559
time names and big time controversy, let's begin with thirty

660
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one years ago, Tuesday, September.

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Speaker 2: Tenth, nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 1: I still I still remember this for a myriad of reasons.

663
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,480
I'm doing five day a week sports radio in Tampa Bay.

664
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This was a big topic going into this fight because

665
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I talked boxing all the time on the show, and

666
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,839
the old radio station, the old sports radio days of

667
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,640
the eighties nineties. We did a promotion where a location

668
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:54,759
had the pay per view and I was there, Raphael

669
00:29:54,839 --> 00:30:00,640
hosting for this and Pernell Whittaker dominated Julio Sesar Chavez

670
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,920
in the Alamodome, and then I will say it was robbed,

671
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,039
was robbed blind of getting a decision win, which would

672
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have been Chavez's first loss. And the immediate belief was

673
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,000
that this was fixed, that the judges were bought. How

674
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,000
in the world did he not win that fight? So

675
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,839
the controversy still goes on with the late Pronell Whittaker

676
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,640
and Julio says our Chavez now thirty one years ago,

677
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:27,079
all right, your takes please.

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Speaker 3: There are a few fighters I love more than Julio,

679
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,279
says Our Chavez. Love him, have had a chance to

680
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,279
meet him, hang out with him, just to I know

681
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,279
back in the day he might have you know, he

682
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,519
had that nasty demeanor about him, kind of like Duran

683
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,039
used to have, but as they've gotten older, they're much

684
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:44,960
more lovable. He's a beautiful guy to hang out with.

685
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,079
I've seen him so many fights in Vegas, and so

686
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I've got nothing but love for Julio, says Our Chavez,

687
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,759
and I had love for Parnel Whittaker also. I was

688
00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:54,960
a big Pronol Whittaker fan. I mean, I'm not a

689
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,279
I like guys that make exciting fights and punching and

690
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,680
brawl a bit, but I haven't a certain appreciation for

691
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,480
a guy like Whittaker who was a consummate boxer but

692
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,319
didn't run.

693
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:04,759
Speaker 2: You know.

694
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Speaker 3: That's why I always couldn't stand the guys like Riggando,

695
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because they would run.

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00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:08,599
Speaker 2: Whittaker.

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Speaker 3: He would stand in the pocket and just shimmy the

698
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,960
shoulders and move the head and move the feet, and

699
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,559
he would just make you miss and drive you crazy.

700
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,480
I mean, he can just watch that in many of

701
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,839
his fights anyway. So this was a big deal fight

702
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,000
back in the time in nineteen ninety three when this

703
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,720
fight occurred, this was for a pound for pounds supremacy.

704
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,119
This was two fighters at the top of their game.

705
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Colonel Whittaker was the welterweight WBC champ. Chavez was the

706
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
junior welterweight champ, undefeated. As you mentioned, he was moving up.

707
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,079
They did the fight. I forget the exact weight, but

708
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:37,599
it was a catchwaight a little bit under one hundred

709
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,440
and forty seven, but which was not a big deal

710
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,000
because Whittaker was not a big welterweight. No, you know,

711
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,119
he'd already he had come up from lightweight back you know,

712
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,759
years earlier. Anyway, this was a huge fight San Antonio

713
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,359
in the Alamodome. They had a crowd of something like

714
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
sixty three or sixty four thousand people there, one of

715
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,079
the biggest indoor crowds in the history of American boxing.

716
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Not director, but a huge, huge crowd, big event, showtime

717
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:02,759
pay per view back in the day called set pay

718
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,640
per view. There wasn't a bigger fight. And Colonel Whittaker

719
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,960
went out there and took Chavez to school, some might

720
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160
say took him to the woodshed. And when they announced

721
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,599
the scorers, it was a joke. You had. Mickey Van,

722
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
a British judge, scored the fight one fifteen to one fifteen,

723
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,559
which is a disgrace because there wasn't like there was

724
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:27,200
point deductions and there were, they're just scoring even rounds.

725
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Apparently you had the judge Franz Marti also scoring the

726
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,400
fight one fifteen to one fifteen, and you have the

727
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,119
one judge that even with his scorer, still got it wrong,

728
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,720
had it one fifteen, one thirteen in favor of Whittaker,

729
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,359
which was still too close. So when I did, I

730
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,319
went on box wreck. Actually, and if you look in

731
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,839
their little wiki area, sometimes for the big fights, they'll

732
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,759
show like unofficial cards like I've seen my own scores.

733
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,640
I give you pick some big, huge fight. They might

734
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960
list like a series of media scores that you know

735
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,480
were reported. Uh. In the case of the Whittaker against

736
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:02,759
Jabez fight, they listed several from Associated Press, News Day,

737
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,319
Ring Magazine, Sports Illustrated, the Washington Posts. These are all

738
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,720
like reputable mainstream outlets that were there covering the fight.

739
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,559
Every one of them had Colonel winning the fight. One

740
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,119
had it on fifteen thirteen, but the other ones were

741
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,240
one seventeen, one to eleven, one sixteen, one to twelve.

742
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,079
Speaker 2: He won the fight clear cut.

743
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,119
Speaker 3: Now you don't see it today because a Sports Illustrated,

744
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:25,599
which back then was a very important and significant publication,

745
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,119
if not the single most important publication in sports. Uh,

746
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,680
and they don't even publish a hard copy anymore. I

747
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,079
don't even know do they still publish correct and boxing

748
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,240
was on the cover on a regular basis for the

749
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,880
biggest events, certainly through the seventies and eighties and then

750
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,279
even into the nineties, and then it pretty much stopped.

751
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,559
But one thing I always remember is when I got

752
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,680
you know, I subscribed to Sports Associated for most of

753
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,160
my life. You know, I was twenty three years old

754
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,279
or whatever it was when this fight happened. And I

755
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,720
remember still to this day getting that issue of the

756
00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,359
magazine a few days after the fight, and it was

757
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,400
a picture of Colonel Whitaker jamming a punch down down

758
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,680
the middle against Javez and the headline simply said rob

759
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,599
yes an exclamation point, I remember, and that pretty much

760
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,320
to me, that summed this up. This was one of

761
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000
the worst decisions in the history of boxing now. At least,

762
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,360
and this is the silverst of silver linings, Parnel Whittaker

763
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,840
at least didn't lose the title because he was the champion.

764
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,800
It was a draw, so he retained the title, but

765
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,679
he still got ripped off by not getting the official

766
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,519
win against an undefeated icon, like Julio says, our Java

767
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,760
is now Paronel Whitaker. Obviously when he did the fight,

768
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,239
they know him and his team main events and their group.

769
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,079
They know they're going to fight in the lions Den

770
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,239
because San Antonio against the Mexican, the number one Mexican. Obviously,

771
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,199
you know you're on enemy turf. That there was a

772
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,559
you know, ten Prono Whitaker fans in that crowd. It's

773
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:44,880
a lot, all right.

774
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,199
Speaker 1: So I want to go over a couple other things

775
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,360
because you love nostalgia. On top of the nostalgia, And

776
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,119
I told you where I was. And again this was

777
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,679
not pay per view, was mostly new. This was an

778
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,440
event at a location where we had the closed circuit

779
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,440
on a big screen and we had like two hundred

780
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,960
people there and I'm hosting the event, and everybody went crazy.

781
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,719
But this fight came at an interesting time period. So

782
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,599
number one, Whittaker's teammate on the US Olympic team, Meldrick Taylor,

783
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,280
was this close. You can't see me, Raphael cant but

784
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,159
he was this close to beating Chavez and scoring the

785
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,440
first ever win when the fight was controversially stopped with

786
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,400
two seconds left after he got knocked down, and many

787
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,760
believed in and around that time that Richard Steele was

788
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,199
maybe somehow nefariously involved in stopping that fight.

789
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. You then fast.

790
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,199
Speaker 1: Forward, Mike Tyson has been arrested, tried, and convicted and

791
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,199
gone to prison, and that is the guy for Don

792
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,159
King in terms of his promotional empire. Chavez is probably

793
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,079
next on the list. And so there was a lot

794
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,400
of belief. I remember taking calls about this, and this

795
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:53,920
was out there in the media that King had somehow

796
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,440
manipulated these judges, which we've seen before, to make sure

797
00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:00,440
Chavez didn't lose. He didn't win, but to make sure

798
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,400
he didn't lose. That was a real topic and a

799
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960
real debate. I remember it thirty one years ago. So

800
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:06,760
I don't have.

801
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: That aspect of what I do. What I do buy

802
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,719
is judges are human beings, and they know the deal.

803
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,679
They know who's quote unquote the house fighter, who's supposed

804
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:19,559
to win, if you will or not to say that

805
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,440
Childs was supposed to win, but that it's better for

806
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,760
a business if he wins. And so I'm not even

807
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,840
suggesting that these judges are doing anything purposely untoured, but subconsciously,

808
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,760
like they're giving like potentially a close around to one guy.

809
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,400
And it's just human nature. It happens all the time,

810
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,079
and that's why we see some of the scoring that

811
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,000
we do. So I don't believe that there was like, hey,

812
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:45,199
here's a bag of money, vote for my guy. I

813
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,559
just don't buy that. But I do believe there's pressure

814
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:51,159
on them in their minds that I need to do

815
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,199
this in a certain way that if I see a

816
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,960
reason to give a guy around, I got to do

817
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,639
it because I understand that, and that's where my next

818
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,920
assignment's gonna come from. Obviously, maybe they're impacted by the crew,

819
00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,880
which is obviously hugely Mexican. And by the way, let

820
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,519
me say this, this is one of the greatest things about

821
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Colonel Whittaker and Chavez. The ringwalk that Parnel Whittaker did.

822
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,320
This is a huge moment, right. You know, fighters get

823
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,199
nervous there. You know they've got their you know, their

824
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,400
their nerves as they enter these big moments. And now

825
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,239
you're entering an enemy territory in a giant stadium sixty

826
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,239
five thousand I've never seen ever. I don't think to

827
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,159
this day a fighter more loose, more chill, more happy

828
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,480
to be there, more anxious to get to the ring,

829
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,400
not nervous. He came out to uh uh to a

830
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,000
to a hip hop song uh, and just danced all

831
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,679
the way to the to the ring. It was an

832
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,280
amazing ringwalk. You should go check it out on UH.

833
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,000
I think it was. I think it was what's that

834
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:46,519
the old song?

835
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:47,639
Speaker 2: Opp? Yeah?

836
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: Now with opp like that was. I don't know why

837
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,400
that's his ringwalk, but that was the song that was playing.

838
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,079
It was a phenomenal ring He.

839
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,199
Speaker 1: Was a phenomenal fighter. He was relaxed and maybe he

840
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,000
knew after what Meldred Taylor had done for most of

841
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,119
that fight that he was going to be able to

842
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:02,840
do a lot of the same things. And we can't

843
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,719
overemphasize enough. He decisively won a fight and was robbed

844
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,360
of that victory, still ends up being a Hall of Famer. Tragically,

845
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,320
we lost him in a hit and run accident as

846
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,840
a pedestrian back a few years ago Pernell Whittaker in Virginia.

847
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,559
Speaker 3: But I don't think it was quickly a hit and run.

848
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:22,559
I think he just got hit in the the internet.

849
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: Run over in the night right.

850
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, on the side of a road while walking on

851
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,119
the side of the road.

852
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: But he was, I mean he was.

853
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:30,599
Speaker 2: He was an amazing fighter.

854
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,039
Speaker 3: Yes, he was thirty two and one going into this fight,

855
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:36,199
and the one loss was highly controversial to Ramirez. And

856
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,360
as you mentioned, when he when Chavez got in the ring,

857
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,480
Chavez was undefeated. He was eighty seven and zero. I mean,

858
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:44,719
these were the two best fighters in the world, right right,

859
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,239
that wasn't even like you know, like today we argue

860
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,920
and we discussed is it in a way, is it

861
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,400
Alexander Usik? You know, is it Terrence Crawford. They're not.

862
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,559
None of those guys are even close to the same weight.

863
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,599
So Husik is a heavyweight obviously in a way, is

864
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,519
still like, you know, barely one hundred and twenty two

865
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,840
pounds and Terrence Crawford's moved to one fifty four, so

866
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,920
they're they're way apart in terms of weight. You'd never

867
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,000
see any of them fight each other. But when the

868
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,840
two best fighters in the world at that time, by

869
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,480
universal acclamation between Pernel and Chavez are separated by just

870
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,760
a few pounds and they can easily fight each other.

871
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,360
That's what we got with this was like the sum

872
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,039
meeting of summer meetings. It was a huge fucking deal.

873
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,119
Speaker 1: Thirty one years ago Tuesday on September tenth. Go watch

874
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,559
it and be prepared to get angry that Pernell Whitaker

875
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,599
doesn't get his hand raised. Right, Let's continue real quick

876
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,440
with the nostalgia. You were mentioning the Clitchkow brothers a

877
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,400
bunch on our bet Us Live show on their platforms Friday,

878
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,599
and it turns out that on Sunday, as we released

879
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:41,800
this podcast into Monday, September eighth, twelve years ago, twenty twelve,

880
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,960
September eighth, Batally Clitchko's final fight, a heavyweight title defense

881
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,800
took place. Give me more nostalgia, please, real quick.

882
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he defended the title against Machmuchar, who

883
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,679
is actually still around and it still holds. Has since

884
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,320
become the WBA's a regular titlelder. Actually as a defense

885
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,599
that's going to come up before the end of the

886
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,559
year against against Kubrat Pulav. Nonetheless, this is back in

887
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,760
twenty twelve and going into this fight, Vitally Klitchkow, who

888
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,079
was at that time the long reigning WBC champion. Remember

889
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:17,880
he had won the title. He had had an injury

890
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
to his back and knee and retired and was out

891
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,320
of the ring for like almost four years or so.

892
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,519
Came back and in his first fight decimated Samuel Peter

893
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,039
to regain the title. He took advantage of his champion

894
00:40:29,039 --> 00:40:31,320
emeritith status by getting the title shot in his first

895
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,280
fight back, and then went on a long title reign.

896
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,199
Who had like nine defenses this was the ninth in

897
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,840
the final one, and defeated some good fighters along the way.

898
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,159
But he went in the ring against Machmoudshar at the

899
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,000
time known as Manuel Shar, and had made it known

900
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,840
before the fight had taken place that this was going

901
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,679
to be his last fight. Now, he was not a

902
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,199
young fighter at that point, but he certainly was still

903
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,760
highly talented. Was not a shot guy. You know, I'd

904
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,400
never been knocked down. You know, I'd been completely dominant.

905
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:59,079
His only two losses were injury related. If you remember,

906
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,760
he got the terror cut in his eye against Lennox

907
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,000
Lewis in a fight he was actually ahead on the scorecards,

908
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,519
and he had had a very severe torn rotator cuff

909
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,239
in his first loss against Chris Burden, retired on the

910
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,639
stool giving up. At that time, the WBO heavyweight title

911
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:14,800
on Chris burd won that night, so he was top

912
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,400
of a food chain in the heavyweight division along with

913
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,760
his brother Vladimir. But he made it a point I'm

914
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,440
going to retire. He was getting older, he wanted to

915
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,639
pursue politics. He went out there on that night. They

916
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:26,239
did the fight in Moscow. As a matter of fact,

917
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,039
kind of ironic. Give him what he's fighting against that

918
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,599
with Ukraine against Russia, and he dominated charge. Char was

919
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:33,559
undefeated at the time, he was twenty one to zero.

920
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,599
I don't think anybody thought he was like some superstar

921
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,320
like on his way to like big time things, but

922
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,440
a credible guy at the time, twenty one and zero.

923
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,800
Like I said, he got knocked down in the second

924
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,559
round by Clitchcow and then Clitchcow busted open a cut

925
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:47,920
that was similarly terrible as when he got cut against

926
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,360
Lennox Lewis, and they ended up stopping the fight in

927
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,519
the fourth round. And you know, you just don't see

928
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,280
too often a champion at that level of the sport

929
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,199
making that kind of money in those types of events.

930
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,719
Because this was a big event in Russia. Uh walk

931
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,239
away and give up the title and give up all

932
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,239
the money and the accolades and the and all the

933
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,920
trappings that go with being a heavyweight champion. Uh, and

934
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,079
then get involved in the Ukrainian politics and he ended

935
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:13,800
up becoming uh involved, you know, very very uh you know,

936
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,599
uh at the highest level. Now he's the mayor of Kievan.

937
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:19,840
He's one of the one of the leaders of a

938
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,159
country that's you know, under attack daily by Russia. And

939
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,480
so to think that all those years ago he was

940
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,159
just you know, an outstanding heavyweight and uh and I

941
00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,559
held the world title. To think what he's done now,

942
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,360
I mean, he's gonna always be remembered as a as

943
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,320
a top heavyweight champion. He's a boxing Hall of Famer.

944
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,760
But in his life's accomplishments, I think being the leader

945
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:40,760
of one of the great country is a big deal.

946
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,360
But that fight, you know, they showed it on HBO

947
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,199
uh and uh he he walked off and and he

948
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,400
did what I think some other boxers would be better

949
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,119
to do occasionally, is you know, leave the audience wanting more.

950
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:54,840
People were not tired of Clitch Go. They wanted to

951
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,320
see more from Clinchgow. He had beaten you know, fighters

952
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,559
like Thomas adamk which is a big fight in Chesaora,

953
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,000
he had defeated the undefeated Olympian Olanier Solisi, he had

954
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,559
given a beating to Shannon Briggs. I mean he'd fought,

955
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,760
you know, some good guys. He had a big fight

956
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,800
in la which I covered at a time when Chris

957
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,280
Ariola was undefeated and was considered a very serious challenger.

958
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,760
He shredded him and stopped him in the tenth round.

959
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,039
I mean, he has some good wins. And to come

960
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,000
out of the retirement the way he did and just

961
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,559
pulverized Samuel Peter, who was a very, very reputable fighter

962
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:26,519
who had the WBC title at the time and just

963
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,079
beat the living shit out of him was very impressive.

964
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,119
So that was the end of the story for Latality

965
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,360
as a boxer, and he's now on the world stage

966
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,840
as a statesman as a mayor.

967
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: Well put, that was twelve years ago on Sunday, all right,

968
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,920
So move forward five more years to September ninth, twenty seventeen,

969
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:49,679
seven years ago Monday. You were ringside, and I still

970
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,199
remember watching it. I cannot say that I paid a

971
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,079
lot of attention on the undercard fights, but I watched

972
00:43:55,079 --> 00:44:00,320
this rematch where Syrika sett soaring VSI had bombed Chaka

973
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Latito had won the first fight, and he bombed him

974
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:04,280
again in the main event.

975
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: You were there.

976
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: It was an HBO turned out there were a lot

977
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,800
of big time names that we maybe didn't know as

978
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,920
much about back seven years ago.

979
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,679
Speaker 2: WI, we certainly do that this what do you remember?

980
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,679
What do you remember about? What the Superfly card? Right?

981
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 3: They called it. They called it superfly because there was

982
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,880
a triple header on HBO. It was all in the

983
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,880
one hundred and fifteen pound division, junior band and weaight,

984
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,079
which is what I generally call it, but obviously it's

985
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,800
also called superfly weight, so they just titled the card Superfly.

986
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:32,880
Tom Loeffler, the promoter of the event, had worked closely

987
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:38,079
with HBO to deliver what would the expectations were action

988
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,199
pack fights, but not necessarily the biggest names like HBO

989
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,119
wasn't really doing like they didn't do a ton of

990
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:48,440
fights like below, say, like featherweight. Really they did some occasionally,

991
00:44:48,679 --> 00:44:50,679
but this was a thing where they had seen the

992
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,199
first fight that happened between Roman Chocolate, Tito Gonzas and

993
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,679
Swiss against a Run, a spectacular fight of the Year

994
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,079
candidate that was on pay per view on the undercard

995
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,519
of a triple G fight, and they were doing the rematch,

996
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,239
so it was it was uh strissicat Roman Gonzalez two

997
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:09,480
the headlines Superfly one, because eventually they did multiple editions

998
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:11,159
of super Fly. I think they ended up doing three

999
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,840
in total. But yes, I was, I was in ringside.

1000
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,079
I was ringside for this fight at what at the

1001
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,920
time was the Stubbubs Center, the stub up Center in

1002
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,199
a person or I can't remember, it was Stubbub or

1003
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,880
Home I guess was StubHub and then they'll change it

1004
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,320
obviously later to Dignity Health Park. Anyway, in the main event,

1005
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,119
you had the remastering Roman and and Trisakat and a

1006
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,159
lot of people figure, you know, Roman, kind of in

1007
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:35,760
my mind, you should have won the first fight. Lots

1008
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,800
of people thought he won the first fight, bad call,

1009
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
that he would get the revenge in the rematch, And

1010
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,880
not only did he not get the revenge of the rematch,

1011
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,039
but it wasn't particularly competitive orout that close, and he

1012
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:48,000
got absolutely iced and not cold in the fourth round,

1013
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,320
And many people at that time were like, oh, you know, Roman,

1014
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920
remember before he fought Swiss to get the first time

1015
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,679
he was pound for pound. Most people had him pound

1016
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,199
for pound. He had he had been winning, dominating against

1017
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,360
all the small guys, top guys, coming off a win

1018
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,119
against quad Dress, who was an excellent fighter and undefeated

1019
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,159
at the time before he fought Swiss to hit the

1020
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,280
first time. So his pound for pound status evaporated. And

1021
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,480
now he goes from being number one pound for pound

1022
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,159
too many people, suffering a very controversial loss in the

1023
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,760
first fight, and then a few months later he fights

1024
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,119
him in the rematch and he absolutely gets pump you know,

1025
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,840
just knocked cold, like knocked out of the year tech.

1026
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:24,199
Speaker 2: And I will say this just Di inter Jecke.

1027
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,639
Speaker 1: It was shocking because he did he got laid out,

1028
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,639
and I thought Chocolatito was going to win the rematch,

1029
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:29,079
what do I know?

1030
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,559
Speaker 2: And you were right there, but you.

1031
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: Weren't the only one. I mean a lot of us

1032
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,360
thought that that he was never going to ever be

1033
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,599
the same. And he took a long leg, you know,

1034
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,079
to a year layoff after that, came back, had some

1035
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,360
smaller fights, and then he recaptured a totally defeated the

1036
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,519
undefeated Cali of five. I was at that fight too.

1037
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:45,800
This is in Frisco, Texas looked spectacular that night, and

1038
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,840
and went on and had two more great fights against

1039
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,679
one Francisco Estrada, a close loss, defeated Julio Caesar Martinez,

1040
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,400
who was a guy that was moving up, that was

1041
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,760
a champion that was given a really good chance to win,

1042
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,960
and he beat the living shit out of him. And

1043
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:00,440
he's and he just won a fight, you know, a

1044
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,280
few months ago in July, to continue his campaign now

1045
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,840
fighting at a bandon weight, looking for another title shot.

1046
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,280
But that was a shocking ending to a significant fight.

1047
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,440
But the thing about it was the rest of the card.

1048
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,960
This was the one and only time that I got

1049
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,840
a chance to see Nya in a way in person.

1050
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,039
I had interviewed him before the fight. He was coming

1051
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,639
over to America for the first time. He's fought here

1052
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:23,960
a few times since he's been.

1053
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,119
Speaker 1: Ye, if you remember, what did you think before you

1054
00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:29,360
saw him, and then what did you think immediately after

1055
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:29,880
you saw him?

1056
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,679
Speaker 3: Well, don't forget I had seen him fight numerous times.

1057
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: You were saying, so you had a high opinion of him.

1058
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,519
You knew who he was absolutely, And then in person.

1059
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,679
Speaker 3: I was put it like this. As much as I

1060
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,519
was excited to see Roman Intriska in the rematch because

1061
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:47,639
of how great their first fight was, plus my adoration

1062
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,559
of chocolate Tito Gonzalez. I was super pumped to use

1063
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,679
the pun superfly, super pumped to see in a way

1064
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:57,679
in person, because I mean I'd been watching his videos

1065
00:47:57,679 --> 00:47:59,840
from Japan for a long time. He was coming to

1066
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,960
the fen the WBO title at one hundred and fifteen

1067
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,159
pounds against you know, not a top top contender, but

1068
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,360
an American that was had some you know, had a

1069
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,960
decent had a good reputation, Antonio Navis, who only had

1070
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,519
one defeat. I don't think anybody was picking him to

1071
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,679
win the fight, but it was all about let's see

1072
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,440
what inn Away can do in his American debut, and

1073
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:22,000
in a way with spectacular as usually, he knocked him

1074
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,280
down in the fifth round. He pummeled him with adous

1075
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,320
a tremendous amount of body punches as we know, in

1076
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,880
a way that's his calling card pretty much. And in

1077
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,400
the end he just completely overwhelmed Antonio Navis and the

1078
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,840
corner stopped the fight after the sixth round. It was

1079
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,360
a spectacular American debut for him. He then went back

1080
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,519
to Japan and has fought there. Ever, he fought their

1081
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,519
first several fights after that, did come back and fight

1082
00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:46,840
in America twice during the bubble, and now he's been

1083
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,800
fighting in Japan ever since. But now, as we talked

1084
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,599
about recently when he won the fight a couple of

1085
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:55,440
days ago against against TJ. Dohaney, he's gonna have the

1086
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,519
next fight in Japan at the end of this year,

1087
00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,519
and then they're bringing to the Vegas for a main

1088
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:02,559
event fight probably at the Team Award at the at

1089
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:05,840
the MGM Grand As opposed to a co feature defending

1090
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,920
one hundred fifteen pound title. Instead, will be defending a

1091
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,039
title in one hundred and twenty two pounds, maybe even

1092
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:11,800
moving up to featherweight for all we know at this point.

1093
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,639
But seeing him in person, I'm happy to say, because

1094
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,079
the chance of me going to Japan for another fighter

1095
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:18,679
not happening, And now when he comes to America, I

1096
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,159
probably will make the trip to Vegas for that, But

1097
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:24,320
I'm marry pleased. I can say at the very least

1098
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,519
I have seen in a way fight in person, and

1099
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,480
it was spectacular. And by the way, that wasn't it,

1100
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,119
Because now the third fight on the card was the

1101
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,440
first fight that took place in Jan Francisco Astrada and

1102
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,280
Carlos Squadras.

1103
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the.

1104
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: Four kings, if you will, of that small weight class

1105
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,719
are Strissiqet Roman, Gonzalez, Estrada, and Quadris. And this was

1106
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,039
a match between Quadris and Astrada. They were fighting in

1107
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,639
a title eliminator. Another terrific fight, and in the end

1108
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:53,280
it was one Francis was Strada winning by a very

1109
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,960
close decision, scored a knocked down in the tenth round

1110
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,960
pretty much to seal the deal. And this was a

1111
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,519
spectacular card. I mean, this was this was what non

1112
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:06,320
pay per view, premium cable boxing should be. Three interesting fights,

1113
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,800
good names, good matchups, good action, and this was terrific

1114
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,320
and I was really really thrilled that I was able

1115
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,519
to go cover this. And as an aside, like a

1116
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,679
PS PostScript, if you will, So the fights on Saturday

1117
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,119
night in Carson, now the now. The usually you get

1118
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:22,360
on the plane and fly home on Sunday, but Rafael

1119
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,920
didn't do that on Sunday because the following Saturday in

1120
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,400
Las Vegas was the first fight between Triple G and

1121
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,039
Canelo Mega Mega fight, huge fight. So what I did,

1122
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,800
and I had discussed this with ESPN. I road tripped

1123
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,280
from LA to Vegas on Sunday. I actually drove with

1124
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,079
some of the fight people that were going out to

1125
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:46,559
Vegas also, and actually, you know I did ESPN. You know,

1126
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:47,719
they were like, we're trying to figure out how can

1127
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,159
we save a few bucks. So I'm like, well, I

1128
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:50,480
can get a ride. I don't need to take an

1129
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,920
you know, take a plane ride. I'll just I'll just

1130
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,639
go in the car with the with soft I'll figure

1131
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,840
I said, I'll figure out. Don't worry about it. Like

1132
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,360
all right, if you can save a few hundred bucks

1133
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,199
by by not a taking a plane ride, we can

1134
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,159
do that. So I did that. I drove with some

1135
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,519
folks and you know, many people have come from the

1136
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,400
LA area that drive to Vegas all the time for fights.

1137
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,239
You know the Drilli. We stopped in Bristow and they've

1138
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,920
got like all the outlets in every restaurant you can imagine.

1139
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,800
You know, we went for lunch and and then continued

1140
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,599
our trip and got.

1141
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,159
Speaker 2: To go over the mountain, right, you got to go

1142
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:19,159
over the mountain coming.

1143
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:22,559
Speaker 3: East exactly, so you get to Vegas. Get to Vegas

1144
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,599
on like Sunday, like late afternoon, you know, into the

1145
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:27,800
afternoon and you know, and then you're there for the

1146
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,199
normally for the Canelo type fight against Triple G. Like

1147
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,760
I'm gonna do for Canelo, bro I would go Tuesday

1148
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,039
at the earliest, but probably on Wednesday. It just happened.

1149
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:38,880
I got there on Sunday and this was such a

1150
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,239
huge fight that it was worth it to be there

1151
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,280
for the a few extra days.

1152
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, as a teams, you're headed back

1153
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:46,920
to Vegas for Canelo, and I have a feeling that

1154
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,599
Canelo Triple G one will probably come up in nostalgia

1155
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,000
when we do the preview podcast and we'll see it

1156
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:56,000
seems to all tie in there. You go, excellent stuff

1157
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,159
here on this Sunday. My friend, did we leave anything

1158
00:51:58,199 --> 00:51:58,760
else out?

1159
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: Are we good? We got some recare I.

1160
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: We spent some time talking about it. Ittally Clitch show

1161
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,280
against Manuel shar in his final fight on September eighth.

1162
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,840
That same day on HBO, they did like the two sites.

1163
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,039
I was in Oakland, California on that day for Andre Wards,

1164
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,239
a super midiweight title deventse. He was coming off of

1165
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,039
the victory against Carl Frotch in the in the tournament

1166
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,119
to unify the titles. His first defense after that was

1167
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:27,119
against Chad Dawson, who had was the light heavyweight raigning champion.

1168
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,119
He dropped down in Wait and went to Oakland, California,

1169
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,559
to Andre's hometown, to do that fight, and andre Ward

1170
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,159
looked about as good as he ever looked at his

1171
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,599
entire current and absolutely destroyed him, knocked him out in

1172
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:39,480
the tenth round, and Chad Dawson was never the same

1173
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and to me, as great of a run as andre

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Ward had in the super midiweight division. Obviously, with the

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victory against Carl Frodz being one of the big ones

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and Michael Kesler, I think the Chad Dawson fight is

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maybe one of his greatest victories. Chad was a top dog,

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you know, he was a pound for pound kind of guy.

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He was, you know, a bigger man, you know. I

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guess coming down to Wait obviously was not a turn on.

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Have to be a good thing for him. And you know,

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I had gone to Open to cover that fight, and

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you put on a spectacular performance. That's the one time

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I actually was able to travel to Oakland to cover

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an andre wordfight, and it was worth the trip to

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see him put on a spectacular performance keeps.

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Speaker 1: You got nostalgia on top of nostalgia with brother Rayfield

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here on the show. All right, well done on all fronts.

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Get yourself to Las Vegas. Will you for Canilo Berlanga

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fight week. When we regroup and talk again, you will

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be out there covering all of it. They need to

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be locked in on the substack, be locked in on

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the newsletter because you're gonna have lots of coverage, lots

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of ancillary stuff.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to all of it.

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Speaker 1: Look forward to being with you later this week when

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you are out there, my friends, save travels. All good

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here as we put the recap podcast to bed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dan Rayfield, good stuff, problem man.

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Speaker 3: I will talk to you later.

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Speaker 2: There you go again.

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Speaker 1: Follow or subscribe on this podcast. Give us a five

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star review. It's a big fight weekend podcast feed. You've

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