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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know
Speaker 2: aka Survivor Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odissey.
Speaker 1: Hey Dre and welcome back to Sasquatch Odissey. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for being with us for the show. It
Speaker 1: is Friday. I hope you've had a fantastic a week.
Speaker 1: We have an amazing guest lined up, but as always,
Speaker 1: I want to start by inviting you. If you've had
Speaker 1: an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,
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Speaker 1: the show. I got to sit down and talk to
Speaker 1: Christopher Noel, probably best known infamously or famously for his
Speaker 1: thermal footage of what he believes to be a sasquatch
Speaker 1: that most of you guys would probably know as the
Speaker 1: Chris Noel Porcupine video. We certainly get into that during
Speaker 1: this interview. We talk about his sasquatch autistic savant hypothesis.
Speaker 1: We get into that we talk about all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: That was a really cool conversation. I think you guys
Speaker 1: are really going to enjoy it. We talk about this
Speaker 1: several times during the interview. If you want to see
Speaker 1: any of the videos that Chris and I are referencing,
Speaker 1: I'm going to link to those on the blog. So
Speaker 1: head over to Paranormalworldproductions dot com check out the sasquatch
Speaker 1: out to see blog at the top of the page,
Speaker 1: and you can see what Chris and I are talking about,
Speaker 1: including his original video that appears in his documentary, as
Speaker 1: well as some of the breakdowns and enhancements that he's
Speaker 1: done that we refer to during the interview. So make
Speaker 1: sure you head over to the blog and check those
Speaker 1: out well. Without further ado, I know you guys are
Speaker 1: ready to get into it. Chris is on the line,
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. All this left for you to
Speaker 1: do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Harford
Speaker 1: was on to welcome our guest to the show. It
Speaker 1: is Christopher Noel, author and researcher. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: my friend. Hey, thanks great to be here. I am
Speaker 1: so glad to have you. I've been stoked about this conversation.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing.
Speaker 1: Let's start where I start with most people, what guy
Speaker 1: you interested in the subject to begin with?
Speaker 2: But Boring answered because I didn't have an experience or anything.
Speaker 2: It was that, like most people, I saw the Patterson
Speaker 2: film when I was nine or ten. It was I think,
Speaker 2: like a trailer or a little featurette before the regular
Speaker 2: movie in a theater. I think they used to have
Speaker 2: little movies before the movie, whether it's a cartoon or
Speaker 2: something else, and I think that's how I saw it,
Speaker 2: and I immediately was struck by how it didn't seem
Speaker 2: to walk like a human being. Ninety percent like a
Speaker 2: human being, but not quite so. My imagination was captivated
Speaker 2: at that point. For many years, Like most people, I
Speaker 2: didn't know how I could pursue this fascination. I thought
Speaker 2: you just had to be lucky have one a cross
Speaker 2: in front of you as you drove down the road
Speaker 2: at two in the morning. I didn't know there was
Speaker 2: any systematic way to go about researching the species until
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, when I saw that the BFRO
Speaker 2: was running expeditions open to the public, and I thought,
Speaker 2: Holy smokes. Somebody's doing this. Somebody actually figure out how
Speaker 2: you can try to have an interaction with this creature.
Speaker 2: So I signed right up and I went out with
Speaker 2: those guys, and for the next year and a half
Speaker 2: I went on I think it was six or seven
Speaker 2: expeditions all over the country, completely blowing out my bank
Speaker 2: account and alienating my then fiance. I didn't have any
Speaker 2: fantastic encounters, just a few wood knocks, so it was
Speaker 2: disappointing in that respect, but it was a rich experience
Speaker 2: in terms of networking with people who had been researching
Speaker 2: the species for many years before me and could bring
Speaker 2: me along and mentor me into how to think of it,
Speaker 2: how to go about looking forward to my own home area.
Speaker 2: Just sitting around the campfire and hearing their stories their
Speaker 2: accounts was just worth the price of admission. People have
Speaker 2: different views on the BFRO, but Matt Moneymaker was extremely
Speaker 2: good to me from the beginning, and he was like
Speaker 2: an evangelist for the topic, and it got me entirely
Speaker 2: converted for the rest of my life. Died in a
Speaker 2: wool Sasquat's Researcher, which there's a bunch of us, but
Speaker 2: it's really still a very strange thing to be in
Speaker 2: the world at large. That was me like eighteen years ago.
Speaker 2: What is it now, twenty twenty four, So this was
Speaker 2: nineteen years ago. I've been added ever since. Part of
Speaker 2: what I learned on those expeditions back then was that
Speaker 2: there was another category, another avenue toward learning about the
Speaker 2: species that wasn't simply going to places with a long
Speaker 2: history of sightings and just taking stabs in the dark
Speaker 2: by going out late at night making Woolf's howels and woodknocks.
Speaker 2: Though that can work if you want the thrill of
Speaker 2: getting a response and knowing that they're out there someplace
Speaker 2: unseen in the pitch dark, which is exciting enough in
Speaker 2: its own right. But I learned that there were these
Speaker 2: places called habituation sites, and I started to network online.
Speaker 2: There were some early versions of chat rooms and eventually
Speaker 2: some websites that were talking about this.
Speaker 1: So I made.
Speaker 2: Nice with a lot of people who were experiencing repeat
Speaker 2: visitations and ongoing interactions at their property with their own
Speaker 2: local sasquatch groups. I became pen pals with all of
Speaker 2: these folks and eventually visited a few of them. They
Speaker 2: generously contributed their testimonials to one of my early books
Speaker 2: called Our Life with Bigfoot, contained six different families, in
Speaker 2: one case an individual. Five others aren't families who had
Speaker 2: these experiences of becoming less habituating, which in the sense
Speaker 2: of Jane Goodall or Diane Fosse you might remember your
Speaker 2: listeners will remember that they, through persistence and routine behavior
Speaker 2: and predictable behavior and peaceful vibes, were able to help
Speaker 2: their primate subjects to become less afraid of their presence.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: Habituation is just becoming more used to each other. So
Speaker 2: at these habituation sites, the families that many cases were
Speaker 2: initially freaked out would eventually calm down. Sometimes these sightings
Speaker 2: interactions middle of the night, slapping of the house, tapping
Speaker 2: on the windows became more commonplace and less of a
Speaker 2: source of upset and destabilization. These folks would see this
Speaker 2: ask which almost like ninety eight percent of the time
Speaker 2: only at night in the moonlight, hiding behind a tree,
Speaker 2: peeking out, running across the yard, making the automatic floodlights
Speaker 2: come on. But by the time you looked out the window,
Speaker 2: they were gone, or you catch the very tail end
Speaker 2: of their appearance in the yard, and almost never in daytime,
Speaker 2: except sometimes in the daytime. So I began focusing on
Speaker 2: habituation sites instead of going on expeditions. And I learned
Speaker 2: that right here in Vermont, just two miles from where
Speaker 2: I grew up, there were structures, footprints. I would leave
Speaker 2: an audio recorder out and get all sorts of wood
Speaker 2: knocks and occasional vocalizations. It was right in my backyard,
Speaker 2: which is what a lot of people find, like Dorothy
Speaker 2: and the Wizard of Oz, I forget exactly what she
Speaker 2: says at the end of that in your own backyard
Speaker 2: after all. So it was a big full circle going
Speaker 2: from Vermont to expeditions in Florida, Northern California in the
Speaker 2: Redwood Forest, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, then landing back my own
Speaker 2: old stuf umping grounds since childhood, and realizing that it
Speaker 2: was a rich treasure trove of experiences and research to
Speaker 2: be done right here. That's a long winded answervere.
Speaker 1: Quick, let's talk about some of those experiences that you
Speaker 1: were having. I certainly want to get into the habituation stuff.
Speaker 1: It's something that's been fascinating to me since I got
Speaker 1: into the subject decades ago. I definitely want to go
Speaker 1: into some of those stories, but let's talk about some
Speaker 1: of those early experiences that you were having personally when
Speaker 1: you got out in the woods and started looking for
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 2: I've never seen one with my eyeballs. I've only filmed
Speaker 2: them twice with a camera at night. One was at
Speaker 2: one of these habituation sites in East Texas.
Speaker 1: I have a thermal video.
Speaker 2: That I managed to capture there, called the Woodpile Sasquatch
Speaker 2: video that's available on YouTube. So this wasn't in Vermont,
Speaker 2: but it's an experience. It's the first dramatic personal experience
Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to have. It was in East Texas,
Speaker 2: at the home of this woman who had been seeing
Speaker 2: a sasquatch on her property for fifteen years before that
Speaker 2: kids had seen them more than she had, and she
Speaker 2: never quite believed them until one night she saw them.
Speaker 2: Often is the case, because they're a bit less inhibited
Speaker 2: with children. She and I and her daughter's friend, who
Speaker 2: had a big bonfire going, were roasting marshmallows and hot dogs.
Speaker 2: I had a thermal camera and every now and then
Speaker 2: I would go out past the firelight and scan the
Speaker 2: woodline close by. I was looking for enormous upright figures
Speaker 2: heat signatures peeking out from behind a tree. Instead what
Speaker 2: I saw at the time, but I didn't register it
Speaker 2: for what It was a horizontal low to the ground,
Speaker 2: a horizontal up sort of bar of light slashed heat.
Speaker 2: I thought there's probably a stone or retaining heat from
Speaker 2: the day, bar of metal or something, so I didn't
Speaker 2: go over to it. I was about thirty five feet
Speaker 2: away from it. Sure enough, when I got back to
Speaker 2: Vermont and looked through the footage, it's an arm with
Speaker 2: a hand at the end of it. It's sort of flicking.
Speaker 2: The hand flicks a few times and cups itself around
Speaker 2: the end of this piece of lumber. The individual South
Speaker 2: Squortch was hiding behind an old woodpile lumber pile and
Speaker 2: peeking through an opening in the middle of the pile,
Speaker 2: peeking at us, spying on us at the fire. And
Speaker 2: we know from reading you and I and many of
Speaker 2: the listeners reading hundreds of reports that they're often spying
Speaker 2: on us at campfires. I think they realize that we
Speaker 2: can't see very well when our eyes are looking at
Speaker 2: the fire, so they feel a little safer. They also
Speaker 2: like us. They like to look at fire. They don't
Speaker 2: seem to use it with their own devices, so they
Speaker 2: look at fire and they watch us. So I managed
Speaker 2: to catch one. And if I had only known and
Speaker 2: realized what it was at the time, of course I
Speaker 2: would have approached it and gotten earth shaking footage. As
Speaker 2: it was, you can see the arm in the hand,
Speaker 2: and you can see the two eyes which are hotter
Speaker 2: and thermal. They're the hottest part of the face, so
Speaker 2: you can see the large eyes which are glowing. And
Speaker 2: also later the tree that it's right next to the
Speaker 2: vertical tree part of the lumber pile, but the living
Speaker 2: tree was measured for scale, so we can tell that
Speaker 2: the eyes are four point seven five inches apart from
Speaker 2: midpoint to midpoint, whereas human eyes are two and a
Speaker 2: quarterach apart usually, So that proves it wasn't a person
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even a mountain lion. All sorts of
Speaker 2: skeptics were saying it's a couple or three raccoons acting together,
Speaker 2: where it's a mountain lion, but that doesn't really stack
Speaker 2: up to the reality of it. But you can take
Speaker 2: a look see what you think. Although out there who
Speaker 2: haven't come across that before that was quite an experience.
Speaker 2: It wasn't understood to be one in real time, but
Speaker 2: it was. Because I got the footage back in Vermont,
Speaker 2: I came up with a three step sort of methodology
Speaker 2: that I think people should use, not just because I
Speaker 2: tell them to, but it's logical. First, you go in
Speaker 2: the woods, even small forests, even closer to town, micro
Speaker 2: forests like an acre two or three. I look around,
Speaker 2: and this is something that researchers have only slowly come
Speaker 2: to realize, is how close physically they like to come
Speaker 2: to us. Sometimes people find more structures right on the
Speaker 2: edge of civilization than they find deeper in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: There's a sort of ancient kinship I think that draws them.
Speaker 1: To us, just like vice versa.
Speaker 2: What I started doing is looking in these forests, and
Speaker 2: if I find structures that seem to be suspicious, like
Speaker 2: not necessarily what humans like to make you still don't
Speaker 2: know for sure that it's not humans. Then you put
Speaker 2: out audio recorders, record night after night. I have a
Speaker 2: kind that you can program to just record from ten
Speaker 2: PM to dawn, so the battery lasts and the memory
Speaker 2: has enough for several nights in a row. And then
Speaker 2: you have to listen to it back in real time.
Speaker 2: You can't just look at the spectrogram because lots of
Speaker 2: subtle noises like ken which are not woodpeckers at two
Speaker 2: in the morning. I'm not woodpeckers because they're not repetitive
Speaker 2: like deathicult, and then you'll hear a response they're obviously
Speaker 2: not woodpeckers because sometimes the wood knock is absolutely ear
Speaker 2: shattering and it's only one little beak of a woodpecker's
Speaker 2: not going to do that. So you put the recorders
Speaker 2: out and then you listen in real time. And when
Speaker 2: you hear wood knocks or trees being pushed over against
Speaker 2: great resistance, not some rotten tree that's going to fall,
Speaker 2: but a.
Speaker 1: Tree that goes.
Speaker 2: Damn that it was a healthy tree pushed over, that
Speaker 2: pretty much tells you that those structures were probably made
Speaker 2: by the same quote unquote people, because there are kinds
Speaker 2: of people that were making those same sounds. It's not
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but it's in the high nineties. Then
Speaker 2: what you do is you go out and sleep there,
Speaker 2: You camp out there alone. People have always told me
Speaker 2: that I'm crazy, slash brave to do this, but really,
Speaker 2: my fascination is always outweighed my fear, though certain points
Speaker 2: my fear spikes up. But basically there's nowhere I'd rather
Speaker 2: be than in known Sasquatch's territory, where they definitely come
Speaker 2: through because they leave their marks and their signatures in
Speaker 2: the structures just to be out there. And many times
Speaker 2: I've had trees pushed down near me, especially when it's
Speaker 2: pitch dark, they feel more comfortable and instead of freaking
Speaker 2: out and running for my car, I just appreciative, feel privileged,
Speaker 2: and I tell them, thank you, thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I've had those experiences in terms of those tree pushes,
Speaker 2: and I've had lots of woodennocks near me. Then at
Speaker 2: one point three years ago, I had the encounter of
Speaker 2: the apple tree, which we can talk about whenever you
Speaker 2: want to. And some people thought it was a porcupine,
Speaker 2: but the tree that it's climbing, and this was midnight
Speaker 2: under a full moon, but also under the canopy of
Speaker 2: the tree, so it was definitely compromised lighting. But my
Speaker 2: night vision camera was in operation, so I got the
Speaker 2: film of the figure climbing up the tree, which is
Speaker 2: eight inches thick, and you can just measure the tree
Speaker 2: and then measure the size of the figure that climbing it,
Speaker 2: because I got it from the bottom. It's preparing to
Speaker 2: climb up, and then it pulls itself up with its forearms,
Speaker 2: which is not something porcupines do. And also the scale
Speaker 2: of the tree shows that it's at least twice as
Speaker 2: large as the largest North American male porcupine. So that
Speaker 2: was really the peak experience so far.
Speaker 1: I know you had some experiences back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight when you had one of these things come
Speaker 1: in and walk around your camp area. Can you take
Speaker 1: us back to two thousand and eight and talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that experience, because that lasted for quite
Speaker 1: a while, didn't it.
Speaker 2: It did. That was when I was a real newbie
Speaker 2: and I didn't see anything, but it was pounding on
Speaker 2: the turf. It was a dark night, as usually happens
Speaker 2: when it's your best experiences because they feel all secure.
Speaker 2: So I was sleeping there and I heard this quote
Speaker 2: unquote bird whistle, which was the first time I heard it,
Speaker 2: and I've heard it many times since, and it's included
Speaker 2: in the documentary a breakdown of that whistle. And it's
Speaker 2: this elaborate whistle that contains in the middle of it
Speaker 2: the call of the oven bird. But the prelude part
Speaker 2: and the post lude part are not like getting bird
Speaker 2: that I've been able to find. Since I've posted the
Speaker 2: documentary three years ago, nobody has written me and says, oh,
Speaker 2: I know that's an X, Y and Z bird. So
Speaker 2: back in two thousand and eight, for the first time
Speaker 2: heard this elaborate whistle. I didn't know if it was
Speaker 2: a bird or not. But right after the whistle, I
Speaker 2: heard pounding on the turf on the ground, and I
Speaker 2: hear you over there, because I knew now that it
Speaker 2: wasn't a bird. It didn't sound like birds. Quail or
Speaker 2: pheasant will do a mating dance with the what do
Speaker 2: you call thrum, they'll percuss with their wings, so this
Speaker 2: wasn't that. And then on my recorder cracking breaking sticks.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's been out in proximity of these guys have
Speaker 2: heard a lot of subtle little sounds that they'll make.
Speaker 2: They're fidgeting around you. Maybe they're nervous. They probably are,
Speaker 2: we both are, so they'll snap twigs. And so I
Speaker 2: heard this snapping, stepping encircling me all through the night.
Speaker 2: I didn't get any sleep, so it was like five
Speaker 2: or six hours that this thing was making its presence known,
Speaker 2: circumnavigating me again and again. I just lay there and
Speaker 2: I was happy, but it didn't escalate, so it wore
Speaker 2: me down emotionally over time, and I was pretty frazzled
Speaker 2: by the time the sun came up. So that was
Speaker 2: really the first where I personally was interacting with one.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a thermal camera at the time, so
Speaker 2: I was just a passive recipient of this visit. But
Speaker 2: I was delighted, and it fueled my passion for going
Speaker 2: on and sleeping by myself. And I've never had a
Speaker 2: scary incident from other animals. I've worried more about bears
Speaker 2: and mountain lions than I am about sasquatch, even though
Speaker 2: I know this escortch can be violent. Like any other
Speaker 2: population of higher primates, you have different personalities, and they
Speaker 2: could always be one that has emotional issues or a
Speaker 2: lack of inhibition, because inhibition and control of themselves that
Speaker 2: of the situation is at the very core of their nature.
Speaker 2: I have a whole series of books about autism has
Speaker 2: related to Sasquatch. I'll just stop talking for a moment
Speaker 2: and you can ask me something.
Speaker 1: Else, give me your thoughts. Let's go back to the
Speaker 1: habituation situations. That's one of those things that has fascinated
Speaker 1: me to know. And I've had multiple people on the
Speaker 1: show where over five hundred episodes of the podcast at
Speaker 1: this point, I've probably interviewed a thousand or more people,
Speaker 1: and there's a handful that have claimed to have had
Speaker 1: habituation situations with these creatures. And by and large, one
Speaker 1: of the questions I always ask. I'm a very nuts
Speaker 1: and bolts Ockham's Razor kind of guy. I want to
Speaker 1: see the evidence. I ask these people, where is the evidence?
Speaker 1: If you've been interacting with these things for fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty years, You've got to have photos, you got to
Speaker 1: have videos, There's got to be physical evidence left behind.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely yeah. I've got tons of videos, and I've
Speaker 1: got tons of pictures, and they send me forty five
Speaker 1: pictures and it sticks leaves and trees. It's paradolia, a
Speaker 1: circle with red circles and stuff exactly. It's the red
Speaker 1: circle squatch parade that enters into my email. I always
Speaker 1: ask the same questions of these people. I have one
Speaker 1: lady I interviewed a while back who basically said, in
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms, these things trusted her to the point
Speaker 1: where they would bring the babies or the juveniles and
Speaker 1: put them in what she called the playground in her backyard.
Speaker 1: And she sent me these pictures that were supposed to
Speaker 1: be juvenile sasquatch and it was just sticks, leaves and trees.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a situation where you've been able
Speaker 1: to go out outside of obviously you captured the video
Speaker 1: that you captured on thermal. We're talking about how to
Speaker 1: see a sasquatch documentary. If you guys want to see
Speaker 1: that in its entirety, I will link to it in
Speaker 1: the blog for the show, So head over to Paranormal
Speaker 1: World Productions dot com. I'll embed it over there. It'll
Speaker 1: go directly to Chris's Impossible Visits YouTube page. You can
Speaker 1: see that documentary in its entirety. That's pretty impressive footage.
Speaker 1: I watched it a couple of times over and over.
Speaker 1: Today I was backing it up and looking It certainly
Speaker 1: looks like a sa squatch to me, it looks like something.
Speaker 1: I see the hand almost reaching around this piece of
Speaker 1: wood that you captured. That was pretty compelling to me.
Speaker 1: But by and large. That's not the case with these
Speaker 1: habituation sites there is.
Speaker 2: It's a genuine trust relationship that people do develop with
Speaker 2: their local sabsquatch, and I know that it makes skepticism
Speaker 2: very easy because they wouldn't have them coming around anymore
Speaker 2: if they whipped out the video camera or the still
Speaker 2: camera and got close pictures, because what we know about
Speaker 2: Sasquatch is that they don't like the picture taking. Any
Speaker 2: might say, how do they know?
Speaker 1: They just know.
Speaker 2: I know that's not satisfying. If you want to keep
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch away, if they're bothering you, pestering, you just
Speaker 2: put up a bunch of cameras on the house and
Speaker 2: they won't come around anymore. But it's just not easy.
Speaker 2: That's why I was thrilled to get to the thermal
Speaker 2: footage in the documentary. You saw some material from snow
Speaker 2: White Bigfoot in Ohio. She's been having them come around
Speaker 2: for six or seventy years. You saw some footage that
Speaker 2: she got that I included in the documentary. Saw a
Speaker 2: print of an arm on it the window of a
Speaker 2: car and touch things like that. So those things come
Speaker 2: around once every blue moon over six years. Those opportunities
Speaker 2: to get more concrete evidence. So mostly it's just a
Speaker 2: game of chess back and forth, with objects being moved,
Speaker 2: added and subtracted by both the human side. Angie of
Speaker 2: snow White Bigfoot and her local group that comes in
Speaker 2: manipulates the objects. This is how when people are into it.
Speaker 2: This is how a habituation site can run, which is
Speaker 2: sort of a conversation through objects and an indirect communication.
Speaker 2: It's very rarely direct. I don't know about the person
Speaker 2: who said they have baby Bigfoot in the backyard. I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about that. It would be surprising to
Speaker 2: me that they would make themselves that vulnerable. But if
Speaker 2: you come to trust a human being over the years,
Speaker 2: you may do that. I don't know. I don't have
Speaker 2: anything for you on this question. Except for the thermal
Speaker 2: footage that I got, and that was a habituation site.
Speaker 2: Then I didn't have to take the word of my
Speaker 2: friend who lived there, the woman of the house. I
Speaker 2: didn't have to go on faith that she was telling
Speaker 2: me the truth. I had no reason to doubt her before,
Speaker 2: but after getting the footage, I knew that she was
Speaker 2: telling the truth one hundred percent. And I bet you
Speaker 2: most people who have ongoing visitations are telling the truth,
Speaker 2: but it's just people outside of it do like yourself,
Speaker 2: have an extremely difficult time understanding how it is that
Speaker 2: they can come and you don't have any really slam
Speaker 2: dunk evidence. It's because they almost always come at night,
Speaker 2: and once you put cameras up, they don't come around.
Speaker 2: There's a whole big kettle of fish about telepathy. I
Speaker 2: think they can read your mind. Many of your listeners
Speaker 2: will be turning off the show at this point, But
Speaker 2: I have a book called mind Speak that features twenty
Speaker 2: different detailed testimonials of people having mental relationships with their
Speaker 2: local Sasquatch. Human beings can also engage in telepathy. There's
Speaker 2: lots and lots of scientific studies, some of which I
Speaker 2: include in that book, that prove scientifically that telepathy is
Speaker 2: a real thing, and I think that Sasquatch are a
Speaker 2: lot more proficient at it than we are. This woman
Speaker 2: in East Texas actually was able to be in touch
Speaker 2: with the female that I have on that thermal footage.
Speaker 2: I too, was very skeptical for a long time. I'm
Speaker 2: been epirical sort of guy. Then at the very end
Speaker 2: of the last time I went there, things happened that
Speaker 2: proved to me that indeed she was in touch with it. Like,
Speaker 2: for instance, the last day I was there, in the morning.
Speaker 2: We hadn't heard any wood knocks during the day, just
Speaker 2: at night, because that's when of the most active, most comfortable.
Speaker 2: But it was nigh in the morning, and I said
Speaker 2: to her, can you tell Nantaya, the name of this
Speaker 2: female sasquatch. Can you tell her that I'm about to
Speaker 2: leave and goodbye? And could she maybe make a goodbye
Speaker 2: sound for me? And so my friend looked up into
Speaker 2: space as she would and conveyed that message and said
Speaker 2: to me, she says to wait. And so I thought, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. And barely had I finished
Speaker 2: that thought, and bam from the woods, probably one hundred
Speaker 2: feet in the woods. It is a thick wood, so
Speaker 2: you couldn't see anything. Came a crystal clear, loud wood knock, bam,
Speaker 2: smashing against the tree. That was the culmination of several
Speaker 2: incidents at that house that finally dispelled the last shred
Speaker 2: of doubt I had about the fact that she was
Speaker 2: indeed mentally in touch with this fellow creature, this fellow
Speaker 2: human kindred species. To us, So I don't know what
Speaker 2: to say about other habituation sites. It's just that I
Speaker 2: know that Angie It's snow White Bigfoot has them coming around.
Speaker 2: And I know that the woman I visited has them
Speaker 2: coming around or did I think she finally vanquished them
Speaker 2: because she didn't want it anymore. I know that they've
Speaker 2: been around me and Vermont. So that's all I can
Speaker 2: give you in terms of a direct response.
Speaker 1: The mind speak thing is another one of those things
Speaker 1: that has always been on my radar because I've interviewed
Speaker 1: people who have to have had those kind of experiences.
Speaker 1: Survivorman lest Stroude was on the show. He talked about it.
Speaker 1: He sure did.
Speaker 2: He thought he was having schizophrenia. He went to the
Speaker 2: doc here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's talked about at least three different scenarios with
Speaker 1: me on the show. Todd Standing is another example. I
Speaker 1: went up with Todd last year and spent a week
Speaker 1: with him in his research area up in Radium, BC, Canada.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the huge things that Todd is into,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term at this point, is
Speaker 1: this connection that he claims to have with the clan
Speaker 1: of Sasquatch that are in and around his research area.
Speaker 1: If you have any experiences there with him. I did
Speaker 1: have experiences that I can't explain. I had rocks thrown
Speaker 1: at me, we heard vocalizations, we heard wood knocks, we
Speaker 1: heard whoops, we heard whistles. I did not see one.
Speaker 1: But there's tons of tree structures, there's tons of formations.
Speaker 1: We found an enormous formation that I've talked about plenty
Speaker 1: of times. The listeners are probably turning this off because
Speaker 1: they've heard it so many times on the show. We
Speaker 1: found this amazing probably todd estimated three hundred plus year
Speaker 1: old tree in this area of the forest that Todd
Speaker 1: really didn't spend a whole lot of time. It was
Speaker 1: the last day of the expedition. I was leaving the
Speaker 1: following day and said, I want to go this direction.
Speaker 1: We hadn't been in that direction yet, so Todd's let's go.
Speaker 1: I led the way. We found this huge tree. There
Speaker 1: was three large, I would say sixty to seventy feet long,
Speaker 1: probably twelve to fourteen maybe eighteen inches in diameter trees
Speaker 1: that were propped up on this very large tree. They
Speaker 1: came together at the top almost within inches of each other.
Speaker 1: One was facing exactly due north, the other one was
Speaker 1: facing exactly due south, and the other one was somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle. It wasn't exactly east west. The third
Speaker 1: one honestly didn't make a whole lot of sense. There
Speaker 1: was no root balls on either of the trees. We
Speaker 1: did some cursory looking around when we were there, and
Speaker 1: then Todd had an expedition. I think he had expeditioners
Speaker 1: the following week, which was his last group coming in
Speaker 1: before they closed down for the winter. And there's actually
Speaker 1: a video on his YouTube channel now Slavanic Bigfoot that
Speaker 1: I've linked to in the past and talked about on
Speaker 1: the show, where Tid went out there and they dug
Speaker 1: down and there was no root balls to these trees,
Speaker 1: and you could see the watermark with these things had
Speaker 1: clearly been laying on the ground. They were picked up
Speaker 1: and placed where they were. They were in parts exactly
Speaker 1: and it was absolutely one of the by far, most
Speaker 1: mind blowing things that I have seen and experienced doing
Speaker 1: any Bigfoot research, outside of having a siding a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago while I was out in the Pacific
Speaker 1: Northwest researching. But it's interesting to me about these structures
Speaker 1: because it's something I was taking notes as I was
Speaker 1: watching your documentary today, How to See a Sasquatch. I
Speaker 1: was looking at some of the very things that you're finding,
Speaker 1: the bins where these saplings are bent over and stuck
Speaker 1: under rocks in some cases, and other trees. I'm finding
Speaker 1: that on our forty acre property here in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: I found the same thing in Tennessee. I found the
Speaker 1: same thing in the Pacific Northwest. I've seen it in Florida.
Speaker 1: I've seen it almost everywhere.
Speaker 2: Take a look at Australian yawe researcher if they find
Speaker 2: the same structures in Australia. I've seen Russian videos with
Speaker 2: the same structures. This is just these archetypal structure that
Speaker 2: the species feels makes their environment more comfortable and homelike
Speaker 2: for them. I think there's making the forest over into
Speaker 2: their own image with their own signatures, expanding their self
Speaker 2: into the forest, which is also something that batistic folks
Speaker 2: do sometimes, which is to make structures around them so
Speaker 2: they can feel more comfortable with the world. But why
Speaker 2: do you say you can't explain what you experienced with tode.
Speaker 2: Isn't it just sasco act? Just why is so hard
Speaker 2: to explain what else is going to throw rocks at
Speaker 2: you and move giant trees.
Speaker 1: I am a very skeptical person. I'm very skeptical of
Speaker 1: my own evidence. I am skeptical of my own experiences.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm maintaining the posture of neutrality as long as possible,
Speaker 2: so to say you can't explain it, just as a
Speaker 2: way of continuing to keep this skeptical questioning going.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a fair point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I find life is too short could continue
Speaker 2: to be in doubt. I was in doubt about the
Speaker 2: telepathy until it was proven to me in Texas, and
Speaker 2: I'm no longer in doubt. Different personal cognitive styles that
Speaker 2: people have, So I'm not telling you to adopt my
Speaker 2: credulity about this stuff.
Speaker 1: Sure, and it honestly, it took me seeing these creatures
Speaker 1: with my own eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about that. Have you shared it on
Speaker 2: the station so you don't want to be redundant?
Speaker 1: I haven't, because here we go. I'm under an NDA
Speaker 1: at this point because I was involved in filming a
Speaker 1: certain project that is still in the worst so that
Speaker 1: will not be out until the end of this year
Speaker 1: or the first of next year, and Once that is
Speaker 1: out there, I am going to lay it out on
Speaker 1: the line. I have said that I've had experiences recently
Speaker 1: in the last couple of months, and I've gotten tons
Speaker 1: of emails people have asked me to share those, and
Speaker 1: I will eventually share them. I am not just teasing
Speaker 1: you guys. Along. There is an NDA in place that
Speaker 1: prevents me from going into details about where I was,
Speaker 1: what I was doing, and who I was with. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you there's nothing against me telling you
Speaker 1: that I had experiences where I saw these things three
Speaker 1: times in two days, and I am no longer on
Speaker 1: any kind of offense when it comes to skepticism about
Speaker 1: their existence.
Speaker 2: One case, you can be skeptical, but not the overarching
Speaker 2: question of who they exist.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think it's healthy for us to look
Speaker 1: at even our own experiences and our own evidence. I
Speaker 1: found footprints, several sets of probably six sets of footprints
Speaker 1: on our property here in North Carolina over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. I cast the best of those last October.
Speaker 1: I sent them out to Cliff Meldrum has some scans
Speaker 1: of them. I haven't sent him an actual physical copy
Speaker 1: of those yet, but Cliff did take some really cool
Speaker 1: three D scans and sent them to me, and he
Speaker 1: sent them over to Jeff to take a look at.
Speaker 1: So I'm waiting to hear back from Jeff. Cliff certainly
Speaker 1: thinks they're legitimate. He thinks there's some interesting parts of
Speaker 1: the toes and the toe stems that he is really
Speaker 1: looking into and is very curious about. But I'm very
Speaker 1: skeptical about my own evidence. I found those sixty yards
Speaker 1: from our house here, So either there was a really
Speaker 1: big man with a thirteen and a half inch foot
Speaker 1: that's almost six inches across that was walking in this
Speaker 1: muddy area outside of my house in the middle of
Speaker 1: freaking nowhere, running the risk of being shot, or as
Speaker 1: a sasquatch. The other thing that I've experienced too, that
Speaker 1: I really found interesting that you've experienced many times that
Speaker 1: you document in your documentary and some of your other videos,
Speaker 1: is this tree pushing down thing. I had never experienced
Speaker 1: that firsthand. I don't have a ton of time because
Speaker 1: I produce four podcasts, I host four full time podcasts, and.
Speaker 2: I write books for every Oh my goodness, so I can't.
Speaker 1: Go through all of this audio in real time. But
Speaker 1: I used to put audio recorders out on the property
Speaker 1: when we would have experiences or weird things would be
Speaker 1: going on. I actually need to find out what type
Speaker 1: you have because I heard you talking about being able
Speaker 1: to record them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'll send you the link. You can post
Speaker 2: it in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Yes, that definitely would help me out, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are interested in audio like I am,
Speaker 1: because I would put these audio recorders out and I
Speaker 1: found that one particular one when I was going through
Speaker 1: the audio, there was really nothing else that was anomalous
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me other than what sounded like
Speaker 1: some bipedal walking. And I heard what sounded like a
Speaker 1: very large tree being pushed over and it was very
Speaker 1: much like you said. It wasn't like a dead tree.
Speaker 1: Oh it fell there. It went real force.
Speaker 2: And exerted on those things exactly.
Speaker 1: And I've been all over the areas where I think
Speaker 1: it could possibly be behind it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they can mess with the acoustics, and
Speaker 2: sometimes I don't know how they do it, but a
Speaker 2: lot of times people don't find the trees, or they'll
Speaker 2: hear like absolute like a wrecking session in the woods
Speaker 2: across the street for hours. They'll think they'll go find
Speaker 2: pickup sticks all over the place of trees. But they don't,
Speaker 2: so I don't know how they do that. Some paranormal
Speaker 2: aspects to them which we may not get to in
Speaker 2: this episode. Maybe we can pick it up next time. No,
Speaker 2: you can tell me about your site. So it's just
Speaker 2: you and me.
Speaker 1: It's you and me and the tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: people that are going to listen to this.
Speaker 2: So did you get these on camera? It wasn't just
Speaker 2: quote unquote just your eyeballs.
Speaker 1: I can say this. I saw them with my eyeballs
Speaker 1: while we were doing some recording. But all I can
Speaker 1: say for sure is that I saw them with my
Speaker 1: eyeballs on three different occasions over the course of two days,
Speaker 1: and one of them was during the day.
Speaker 2: Be a big old lucky duck. That's great. I'm happy
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: Speaking of things on film. This is one of the
Speaker 1: things that I really wanted to get into with you
Speaker 1: is the video that you mentioned earlier where people were
Speaker 1: thinking this was a porcupine. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: I've watched this video many times. I was familiar with
Speaker 1: it before I was really ever familiar with the rest
Speaker 1: of your work, and I have to be honest, I
Speaker 1: felt like this was a porcupine. So let's get into that.
Speaker 1: Kind of set that situation up for us, for people
Speaker 1: who may not be familiar with that footage, give us
Speaker 1: the backstory of what you were doing, where you were,
Speaker 1: how that came about, and let's get into that video.
Speaker 1: And obviously you're going to dispel those rumors about what
Speaker 1: you think that was versus it being a porcupine.
Speaker 2: So there, I was going to my habitual quote unquote
Speaker 2: spot in the woods where I would camp out, where
Speaker 2: I'd recorded them a lot, making their tell tale sounds.
Speaker 2: It was September twentieth, twenty twenty one. I was walking
Speaker 2: along the path on the way to my camp site
Speaker 2: and I heard a light knock, which doesn't come through
Speaker 2: very well on the footage, but it was a definite
Speaker 2: light knock, Like I said, oh, I've never heard a
Speaker 2: knock on my way in, So I kept going. When
Speaker 2: I got just opposite to this apple tree, I heard
Speaker 2: there was a stamping on the ground, a very distinct
Speaker 2: stamping that does come through pretty well on the audio
Speaker 2: of the footage. I stopped and I looked over there
Speaker 2: with my night vision camera. There was a little black
Speaker 2: furry blob over there, and I said, hi, I see
Speaker 2: you over there. Then it turned to the tree and
Speaker 2: pulled itself up. Now the tree is eight inches thick.
Speaker 2: Because it's night vision, it's not one hundred percent clear.
Speaker 2: Nothing's one hundred percent clear. But it has long legs
Speaker 2: instead of short, little stubby legs of a porcupine. It
Speaker 2: pulled itself up in the tree. Later I got footage
Speaker 2: of its arm reaching out, grabbing something and plunking it
Speaker 2: in its mouth, which porcupines it's as a rodent. Rodents
Speaker 2: don't do that. They eat with their two little hands
Speaker 2: in front of their face. This was reaching out with
Speaker 2: a long arm, an elbow, a long forearm, big shoulder,
Speaker 2: and then pulling the something back into its mouth. Also,
Speaker 2: there was a time it was obscuring itself, which is
Speaker 2: what sad squittch do, And it was making no porcupine
Speaker 2: sounds whatsoever. In fact, it was only making this sound
Speaker 2: like which I'd heard elsewhere. It's this little popping sound
Speaker 2: they make, and I feature it elsewhere in the documentary.
Speaker 2: In the documentary, I show that this guy, Thomas Powell
Speaker 2: in California, has recorded that this woman Lisa Fine, my
Speaker 2: friend in the Adirondacks is recorded the very same popping sound,
Speaker 2: and porcupines don't make that sound. They make this funny
Speaker 2: little kind of sound, and that didn't happen at all
Speaker 2: in the encounter. Plus, you can see that the tree,
Speaker 2: as compared to the figure at the base of the
Speaker 2: tree before it pulls itself up with its arms, is
Speaker 2: much larger, at least twice as large as the largest
Speaker 2: North American porcupine, So I don't really see the ambiguity.
Speaker 2: At one point, you can see when it's going up
Speaker 2: the tree, it looks like a porcupine going up a tree,
Speaker 2: but it's too large to be a porcupine. I have
Speaker 2: a comparison of my leg moving the way its left
Speaker 2: leg did, and then its left leg, and I go
Speaker 2: back and forth between the two and porcupines. Of these
Speaker 2: stubby little legs, they're about seven or eight inches long.
Speaker 2: This leg was at least as long as my leg.
Speaker 2: I'm not a rodent. People make their own decisions, that's okay.
Speaker 2: But at one point, up at the top, it finally
Speaker 2: came out of hiding, just for a few seconds, and
Speaker 2: I can see its head between two branches of leaves.
Speaker 2: The woman I mentioned earlier. Angie of Snow White Bigfoot
Speaker 2: fame helped me to enhance that so that you can
Speaker 2: see its eye it's left eye, and you can see
Speaker 2: the iris and a part of the head that the
Speaker 2: eye is end, which is in the front of its head,
Speaker 2: as opposed to rodents porcupines that have them in the
Speaker 2: side of their head because they're prey animals, not predators.
Speaker 2: I didn't include that in the documentary, so you'll want
Speaker 2: to look at that fresh because that was done later.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I had at the time. I
Speaker 2: just had this encounter and I didn't know what it
Speaker 2: was because I hadn't done any analysis of the footage.
Speaker 2: So I just went to my campsite and had my
Speaker 2: regular night because I figured it was probably a porcupine,
Speaker 2: only to find out later that many aspects of it
Speaker 2: show that it wasn't. First the wood knock, then the
Speaker 2: stamping on the ground, then the vocals that it was making,
Speaker 2: and vocals apparently with the tongue of the lips no
Speaker 2: porcupine sounds. There's a lot of reasons that I think
Speaker 2: they might even climb trees that look like a porcupine
Speaker 2: that it's going to sound like complete bullshit too many people.
Speaker 2: They're mimics. They're really good mimics when it comes to
Speaker 2: animal sounds, So why wouldn't they mimic animal movements too.
Speaker 2: That would be a damning thing to admit if the
Speaker 2: thing weren't twice as big as any porcupine could be. Ok,
Speaker 2: you saw this far away, there'd be no way in
Speaker 2: the daytime, say, and it was climbing a tree that way,
Speaker 2: everybody would think, oh, that's a porcupine, because in the
Speaker 2: middle of its climbing it moves that way, but not
Speaker 2: once it gets up there and reaches for food like
Speaker 2: a primate reaches for food. I think it's quite possible
Speaker 2: that they might have developed one of their camouflage defense
Speaker 2: mechanisms to climb trees like another animal. So you can
Speaker 2: decide that's neo convenient of an explanation, but I'd be
Speaker 2: interested to see what you think when you look at
Speaker 2: the clips that I sent over earlier today, they're.
Speaker 1: Definitely interesting and I want to post them over on
Speaker 1: the blog for everybody that's listening to take a look
Speaker 1: at as well. Obviously, you can see the footage in
Speaker 1: its entirety in the documentary, but as Chris alluded to,
Speaker 1: you didn't have this footage that you sent me earlier
Speaker 1: today until after the documentary was out. That'll be up
Speaker 1: for everybody to look at it. Honestly, it's like everything else.
Speaker 1: Evidence is subjective for everybody. Everybody sees things a little
Speaker 1: bit differently depending on how you look at the subject
Speaker 1: or where you're at.
Speaker 2: Even the damn Paterson film, people still think that it's
Speaker 2: not definitive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it took me a long time to get there.
Speaker 1: I just got there over the last year because I'd
Speaker 1: always questioned the Patterson Gimblin film, and it honestly took
Speaker 1: me going back and breaking down. Obviously, Roger passed away
Speaker 1: in the early seventies, so I go back and look
Speaker 1: at the only thing we have, which is Bob Gimblin,
Speaker 1: and some of the things he said I actually got
Speaker 1: with the Todd Prescott over at the Sasquatch Archives. Todd
Speaker 1: had a really cool interview that aired six days after
Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimlin film was filmed, and you hear it
Speaker 1: fresh from Bob and Roger six days after this thing
Speaker 1: was filmed, and you can compare that. Obviously, Bob has
Speaker 1: done a ton of interviews, and he's given a ton
Speaker 1: of talks at conferences on podcast in the last fifty
Speaker 1: seven fifty eight years since this thing was filmed. I
Speaker 1: did this analysis. I have a cop brain, so I
Speaker 1: approached it like I would anybody if you're into true
Speaker 1: crime and you watch people give their statements to the police,
Speaker 1: and right, I just broke it down, and I tell you,
Speaker 1: outside of a couple of inconsistencies that I think, frankly
Speaker 1: just have to do with age, because Bob's in his
Speaker 1: nineties at this point. I think the last interview that
Speaker 1: I looked at was probably eight years ago or so,
Speaker 1: and he's told the same damn story the entire time.
Speaker 1: I see no signs of deception in my opinion, and
Speaker 1: I'm certainly no expert. The film is what it is.
Speaker 1: MK Davis has done his thing. Todd Gatewood is trying
Speaker 1: to do his own version currently, and I have some
Speaker 1: strong opinions about that we won't get into. But it really,
Speaker 1: to me comes down to Bob and his story and
Speaker 1: whether you believe this guy or not. And I believe
Speaker 1: his story. So if I believe a story and he
Speaker 1: was there and he watched this thing walk across the sandbar.
Speaker 1: Then damn it, it's got to be real. That's where
Speaker 1: I'm sticking and planting my flag.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Bill Munz breakdown of the nature of
Speaker 2: suits and the possibility that this could be a suit
Speaker 2: and how many reasons that it could not be a suit?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that's the other thing. You had. The
Speaker 1: guy in my home state of North Carolina. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, Philip Morris, who claimed to make the suit,
Speaker 1: could never produce anything that was even remotely close.
Speaker 2: To exactly it's one thing that sits there and sayeah, suit,
Speaker 2: But once you get into the granular details of how
Speaker 2: a suit would actually function, to me, it's abundantly clear
Speaker 2: just from the video evidence, just like it is to
Speaker 2: MK Davis and others, regardless of how the story is told.
Speaker 2: I have a video AUP called the Patterson Film How
Speaker 2: to Be one hundred Percent Convinced. Some people watch them
Speaker 2: still aren't one hundred percent convinced, but I think it's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It's convincing. So again, you're never going
Speaker 2: to get everybody. But recently science has catalogued a species
Speaker 2: of macaque over in Indonesia somewhere, just based on trail
Speaker 2: camera evidence, and I think we should have categorized this
Speaker 2: the same with the Patterson film. It's absolutely abundantly clear
Speaker 2: that tons of muscle movement underneath. We don't want to
Speaker 2: go down that rep at hope, but you're right, no
Speaker 2: one's going to agree, and people are still going to
Speaker 2: think that my footage is a porcupine even though all
Speaker 2: the reasons I said. And I'm glad you'll post those
Speaker 2: links on your page. People can see what I'm talking
Speaker 2: about and see what they think, absolutely and.
Speaker 1: They will make up their own minds before we get
Speaker 1: out of here. I want to be respectful of your time,
Speaker 1: but I definitely want to get into the Sasquatch savant
Speaker 1: autistic theory that you have about them. Can you give
Speaker 1: us the dime store tour of how you got to
Speaker 1: that point? What are some of the things that drove
Speaker 1: you to decide that it's possible these things may have
Speaker 1: some sort of autism and even the OCD behavior that
Speaker 1: we see in some of the habituation situations like we
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2: I paid close attention to their behavior and what must
Speaker 2: be their nature underneath the behavior for years and years,
Speaker 2: and then I saw a documentary on profoundly autistic people
Speaker 2: who don't find it possible to communicate with others directly.
Speaker 2: They communicate indirectly through symbols, through objects. Mostly they make
Speaker 2: structures of their toys. They line their toys up, they
Speaker 2: build things. They also make mental structures, like memorizing the
Speaker 2: entire train system of Great Britain. Stuff like this, like
Speaker 2: prodigious photographic memory. And then the more I learned about that,
Speaker 2: and I started reading memoirs of autistic people, such as
Speaker 2: Don Prince's book Songs of the Gorilla Nation and Donna
Speaker 2: Williams's great book called Exposure Anxiety, I came to recognize
Speaker 2: just how many points of convergence there are between autistic
Speaker 2: human beings and sasquatch. So I have a book with
Speaker 2: the surprising title, Sasqutch and Autism that kind of puts
Speaker 2: together my best effort at making this argument, like I
Speaker 2: have twelve parallels between the two. Some people think that
Speaker 2: I'm being unfair or offensive to autistic people, saying they're
Speaker 2: like big monkeys, or saying that Sasquatch, these magnificent creatures,
Speaker 2: have some sort of mental illness. No, on the contrary,
Speaker 2: I'm really just isolating the part of autism that is
Speaker 2: on the genius scale autistic savant. I have a book
Speaker 2: called the sas Savant Theory, So I think that you
Speaker 2: can pick out the traits and attributes and the gifts
Speaker 2: of autistic savant human beings and find a lot of
Speaker 2: it going on in Sasquatch. I don't think they'd have
Speaker 2: been able to accomplish what they have over centuries in millennia,
Speaker 2: not being captured or rounded up, put in reservations, much
Speaker 2: less even believed in by most people. They wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been able to accomplish that had they not had these
Speaker 2: cognitive behavioral profile that allows them to both interact with
Speaker 2: us indirectly and steer clear. I like to say that
Speaker 2: they avoid us like the plague and they seek us
Speaker 2: like the cure. They have this double sided posture toward us,
Speaker 2: especially at habituation sides, but also just at the edges
Speaker 2: of civilization. They can't stay away, just like autistic people,
Speaker 2: who are especially nonverbal autistic people. It's not like they
Speaker 2: want to be in their own world, in their own bubble,
Speaker 2: sequestered from the warmth of humanity. They want to interact,
Speaker 2: but they can't do it directly. It's too threatening to them.
Speaker 2: There's a sense of chaos, so they need to create
Speaker 2: their own sort of sanctuary, both internally and externally in
Speaker 2: their living space. But they want to be able to
Speaker 2: communicate and commune in the way that they can. It
Speaker 2: seems like, saysquatch, is doing that too. You can't think
Speaker 2: of any other creature in the world that is both
Speaker 2: evasive and repeatedly drawn to us and communicating with us
Speaker 2: in strange ways, like leaving gifts on the porch and
Speaker 2: taking gifts in return, rearranging our objects quote unquote, borrowing
Speaker 2: them for two months and then returning them. There's nobody
Speaker 2: else like that except autistic people. They don't take our objects,
Speaker 2: but they carve out their own style of reaching out,
Speaker 2: commune indicating. But it's not at all like our style.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that, obviously, I just mean the boring
Speaker 2: neurotypical people. We just do what we do. But people
Speaker 2: on the spectrum, especially the extreme end of the spectrum,
Speaker 2: where these folks find it impossible to be like ninety
Speaker 2: percent of other humans, there's just a lot of similarities.
Speaker 2: I want to recommend before we close, speaking of autism,
Speaker 2: this new podcast you may have heard of it's called
Speaker 2: The Telepathy Tapes, and we were touching on telepathy earlier.
Speaker 2: All of you out there listening, if you have any
Speaker 2: interest in psychic ability, much less autism, either one, listen
Speaker 2: to this new podcast. It's called The Telepathy Tapes. There
Speaker 2: are so far eight episodes, and I could talk about
Speaker 2: it for a while, but I'll just say that it
Speaker 2: is a discovery about nonverbal autistic children and how most
Speaker 2: or all of them are able to communicate conscious rather
Speaker 2: than through explicit articulation. They can read the minds of
Speaker 2: their teachers, their parents, and their friends. I won't try
Speaker 2: to convince you this is true, because just listening to
Speaker 2: the podcast alone will bowl you over. Absolutely. It's one
Speaker 2: of the best things I've ever listened to. Again, it's
Speaker 2: the Telepathy Capes and the woman who's doing it as
Speaker 2: a filmmaker named Kai Dickens.
Speaker 1: It definitely sounds interesting. You guys will have to check
Speaker 1: it out. Make sure you check out Impossible Visits will
Speaker 1: have it linked right here in the show notes to
Speaker 1: that is Chris's YouTube channel. Go over there and show
Speaker 1: him some love, give him some likes, and subscribe and
Speaker 1: check out all the amazing footage that he has over there.
Speaker 1: It's over two hundred videos at this point, and obviously
Speaker 1: you can watch how to see a sask watch his documentary.
Speaker 1: I will link to that on the blog as well.
Speaker 2: Also, my website is the Nearness of You Net and
Speaker 2: you can get in touch with me through that website.
Speaker 2: If anybody wants to reach out and share with each other.
Speaker 1: I love that. We will definitely link to all that stuff,
Speaker 1: including your books. He's got a ton of books out there, folks.
Speaker 1: You can get them anywhere you get fine books. I
Speaker 1: will link to those in the show notes as well. Chris,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on man. I've had a
Speaker 1: blast talking to you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. It's been great. I hope we can
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