WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.599 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.840 Hey everybody, this is Left Striving Yes, yes, I know 24 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.640 aka Survivor Man and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Odissey. 25 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:40.120 Hey Dre and welcome back to Sasquatch Odissey. Thank you 26 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:41.599 so much for being with us for the show. It 27 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.079 is Friday. I hope you've had a fantastic a week. 28 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.680 We have an amazing guest lined up, but as always, 29 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:49.439 I want to start by inviting you. If you've had 30 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:51.079 an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, 31 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:53.000 shoot me an email you get me a Brian a 32 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:56.319 Paranormal Worldproductions dot com and head over to the website. 33 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.920 Check it out, become a member there and help support 34 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:01.879 the show. I got to sit down and talk to 35 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.159 Christopher Noel, probably best known infamously or famously for his 36 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.639 thermal footage of what he believes to be a sasquatch 37 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.199 that most of you guys would probably know as the 38 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:17.319 Chris Noel Porcupine video. We certainly get into that during 39 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:22.280 this interview. We talk about his sasquatch autistic savant hypothesis. 40 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.639 We get into that we talk about all kinds of things. 41 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:26.439 That was a really cool conversation. I think you guys 42 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:28.599 are really going to enjoy it. We talk about this 43 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.840 several times during the interview. If you want to see 44 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.159 any of the videos that Chris and I are referencing, 45 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.120 I'm going to link to those on the blog. So 46 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.280 head over to Paranormalworldproductions dot com check out the sasquatch 47 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:40.599 out to see blog at the top of the page, 48 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:42.520 and you can see what Chris and I are talking about, 49 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.919 including his original video that appears in his documentary, as 50 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.599 well as some of the breakdowns and enhancements that he's 51 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:51.919 done that we refer to during the interview. So make 52 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.479 sure you head over to the blog and check those 53 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.439 out well. Without further ado, I know you guys are 54 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.199 ready to get into it. Chris is on the line, 55 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.159 He's ready to go. All this left for you to 56 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:25.479 do is sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Harford 57 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:26.960 was on to welcome our guest to the show. It 58 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.680 is Christopher Noel, author and researcher. Welcome to the show, 59 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.800 my friend. Hey, thanks great to be here. I am 60 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.319 so glad to have you. I've been stoked about this conversation. 61 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.000 Let's get right into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. 62 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.719 Let's start where I start with most people, what guy 63 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.599 you interested in the subject to begin with? 64 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.360 But Boring answered because I didn't have an experience or anything. 65 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.560 It was that, like most people, I saw the Patterson 66 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:54.080 film when I was nine or ten. It was I think, 67 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.159 like a trailer or a little featurette before the regular 68 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.639 movie in a theater. I think they used to have 69 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.400 little movies before the movie, whether it's a cartoon or 70 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.000 something else, and I think that's how I saw it, 71 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.439 and I immediately was struck by how it didn't seem 72 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.560 to walk like a human being. Ninety percent like a 73 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:14.400 human being, but not quite so. My imagination was captivated 74 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.279 at that point. For many years, Like most people, I 75 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:21.279 didn't know how I could pursue this fascination. I thought 76 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.199 you just had to be lucky have one a cross 77 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.199 in front of you as you drove down the road 78 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.560 at two in the morning. I didn't know there was 79 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.639 any systematic way to go about researching the species until 80 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.160 two thousand and five, when I saw that the BFRO 81 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.560 was running expeditions open to the public, and I thought, 82 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.360 Holy smokes. Somebody's doing this. Somebody actually figure out how 83 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.959 you can try to have an interaction with this creature. 84 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:48.759 So I signed right up and I went out with 85 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.319 those guys, and for the next year and a half 86 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.439 I went on I think it was six or seven 87 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.319 expeditions all over the country, completely blowing out my bank 88 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.959 account and alienating my then fiance. I didn't have any 89 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:04.879 fantastic encounters, just a few wood knocks, so it was 90 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:07.800 disappointing in that respect, but it was a rich experience 91 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.600 in terms of networking with people who had been researching 92 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.519 the species for many years before me and could bring 93 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.759 me along and mentor me into how to think of it, 94 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.519 how to go about looking forward to my own home area. 95 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.800 Just sitting around the campfire and hearing their stories their 96 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.639 accounts was just worth the price of admission. People have 97 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.720 different views on the BFRO, but Matt Moneymaker was extremely 98 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:33.399 good to me from the beginning, and he was like 99 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:37.240 an evangelist for the topic, and it got me entirely 100 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.560 converted for the rest of my life. Died in a 101 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:43.560 wool Sasquat's Researcher, which there's a bunch of us, but 102 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:45.920 it's really still a very strange thing to be in 103 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.000 the world at large. That was me like eighteen years ago. 104 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.040 What is it now, twenty twenty four, So this was 105 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:56.279 nineteen years ago. I've been added ever since. Part of 106 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.399 what I learned on those expeditions back then was that 107 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.519 there was another category, another avenue toward learning about the 108 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.959 species that wasn't simply going to places with a long 109 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.720 history of sightings and just taking stabs in the dark 110 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:14.519 by going out late at night making Woolf's howels and woodknocks. 111 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.480 Though that can work if you want the thrill of 112 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.480 getting a response and knowing that they're out there someplace 113 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:23.879 unseen in the pitch dark, which is exciting enough in 114 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:25.720 its own right. But I learned that there were these 115 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:30.560 places called habituation sites, and I started to network online. 116 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.240 There were some early versions of chat rooms and eventually 117 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:36.079 some websites that were talking about this. 118 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:37.519 So I made. 119 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.399 Nice with a lot of people who were experiencing repeat 120 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:46.399 visitations and ongoing interactions at their property with their own 121 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.600 local sasquatch groups. I became pen pals with all of 122 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.360 these folks and eventually visited a few of them. They 123 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.839 generously contributed their testimonials to one of my early books 124 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:02.439 called Our Life with Bigfoot, contained six different families, in 125 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.439 one case an individual. Five others aren't families who had 126 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:11.680 these experiences of becoming less habituating, which in the sense 127 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:16.000 of Jane Goodall or Diane Fosse you might remember your 128 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.519 listeners will remember that they, through persistence and routine behavior 129 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:25.079 and predictable behavior and peaceful vibes, were able to help 130 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:29.160 their primate subjects to become less afraid of their presence. 131 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:30.120 That's all. 132 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.319 Habituation is just becoming more used to each other. So 133 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.399 at these habituation sites, the families that many cases were 134 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:41.879 initially freaked out would eventually calm down. Sometimes these sightings 135 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.240 interactions middle of the night, slapping of the house, tapping 136 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.240 on the windows became more commonplace and less of a 137 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:55.120 source of upset and destabilization. These folks would see this 138 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.240 ask which almost like ninety eight percent of the time 139 00:07:58.279 --> 00:08:01.279 only at night in the moonlight, hiding behind a tree, 140 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:06.600 peeking out, running across the yard, making the automatic floodlights 141 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:08.399 come on. But by the time you looked out the window, 142 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:10.879 they were gone, or you catch the very tail end 143 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.519 of their appearance in the yard, and almost never in daytime, 144 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.560 except sometimes in the daytime. So I began focusing on 145 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.439 habituation sites instead of going on expeditions. And I learned 146 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.560 that right here in Vermont, just two miles from where 147 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.639 I grew up, there were structures, footprints. I would leave 148 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.919 an audio recorder out and get all sorts of wood 149 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.840 knocks and occasional vocalizations. It was right in my backyard, 150 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.919 which is what a lot of people find, like Dorothy 151 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:43.000 and the Wizard of Oz, I forget exactly what she 152 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.799 says at the end of that in your own backyard 153 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.519 after all. So it was a big full circle going 154 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:53.879 from Vermont to expeditions in Florida, Northern California in the 155 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:59.279 Redwood Forest, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, then landing back my own 156 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:03.159 old stuf umping grounds since childhood, and realizing that it 157 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.440 was a rich treasure trove of experiences and research to 158 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.840 be done right here. That's a long winded answervere. 159 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:12.600 Quick, let's talk about some of those experiences that you 160 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.720 were having. I certainly want to get into the habituation stuff. 161 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.240 It's something that's been fascinating to me since I got 162 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.360 into the subject decades ago. I definitely want to go 163 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:23.080 into some of those stories, but let's talk about some 164 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.080 of those early experiences that you were having personally when 165 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:27.759 you got out in the woods and started looking for 166 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:28.480 these things. 167 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:32.000 I've never seen one with my eyeballs. I've only filmed 168 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.360 them twice with a camera at night. One was at 169 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:38.440 one of these habituation sites in East Texas. 170 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.480 I have a thermal video. 171 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:44.559 That I managed to capture there, called the Woodpile Sasquatch 172 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:47.480 video that's available on YouTube. So this wasn't in Vermont, 173 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.720 but it's an experience. It's the first dramatic personal experience 174 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.120 I was lucky enough to have. It was in East Texas, 175 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.320 at the home of this woman who had been seeing 176 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.639 a sasquatch on her property for fifteen years before that 177 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.159 kids had seen them more than she had, and she 178 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.559 never quite believed them until one night she saw them. 179 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.559 Often is the case, because they're a bit less inhibited 180 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.480 with children. She and I and her daughter's friend, who 181 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:15.480 had a big bonfire going, were roasting marshmallows and hot dogs. 182 00:10:15.759 --> 00:10:17.799 I had a thermal camera and every now and then 183 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.120 I would go out past the firelight and scan the 184 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:26.039 woodline close by. I was looking for enormous upright figures 185 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:30.919 heat signatures peeking out from behind a tree. Instead what 186 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.159 I saw at the time, but I didn't register it 187 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:36.600 for what It was a horizontal low to the ground, 188 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.759 a horizontal up sort of bar of light slashed heat. 189 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.679 I thought there's probably a stone or retaining heat from 190 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:46.200 the day, bar of metal or something, so I didn't 191 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.399 go over to it. I was about thirty five feet 192 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.120 away from it. Sure enough, when I got back to 193 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.039 Vermont and looked through the footage, it's an arm with 194 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.600 a hand at the end of it. It's sort of flicking. 195 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.200 The hand flicks a few times and cups itself around 196 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.240 the end of this piece of lumber. The individual South 197 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.120 Squortch was hiding behind an old woodpile lumber pile and 198 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:11.879 peeking through an opening in the middle of the pile, 199 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.639 peeking at us, spying on us at the fire. And 200 00:11:14.679 --> 00:11:16.600 we know from reading you and I and many of 201 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:21.519 the listeners reading hundreds of reports that they're often spying 202 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.120 on us at campfires. I think they realize that we 203 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.200 can't see very well when our eyes are looking at 204 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:28.639 the fire, so they feel a little safer. They also 205 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:31.200 like us. They like to look at fire. They don't 206 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.080 seem to use it with their own devices, so they 207 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:35.879 look at fire and they watch us. So I managed 208 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:37.360 to catch one. And if I had only known and 209 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.440 realized what it was at the time, of course I 210 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.480 would have approached it and gotten earth shaking footage. As 211 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.120 it was, you can see the arm in the hand, 212 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.960 and you can see the two eyes which are hotter 213 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.200 and thermal. They're the hottest part of the face, so 214 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:55.440 you can see the large eyes which are glowing. And 215 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:58.919 also later the tree that it's right next to the 216 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.000 vertical tree part of the lumber pile, but the living 217 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.879 tree was measured for scale, so we can tell that 218 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:10.720 the eyes are four point seven five inches apart from 219 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.320 midpoint to midpoint, whereas human eyes are two and a 220 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.960 quarterach apart usually, So that proves it wasn't a person 221 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.799 and it wasn't even a mountain lion. All sorts of 222 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.679 skeptics were saying it's a couple or three raccoons acting together, 223 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:29.440 where it's a mountain lion, but that doesn't really stack 224 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.200 up to the reality of it. But you can take 225 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.279 a look see what you think. Although out there who 226 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.200 haven't come across that before that was quite an experience. 227 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.399 It wasn't understood to be one in real time, but 228 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:44.440 it was. Because I got the footage back in Vermont, 229 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:48.120 I came up with a three step sort of methodology 230 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:51.039 that I think people should use, not just because I 231 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.080 tell them to, but it's logical. First, you go in 232 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.720 the woods, even small forests, even closer to town, micro 233 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.000 forests like an acre two or three. I look around, 234 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.200 and this is something that researchers have only slowly come 235 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.440 to realize, is how close physically they like to come 236 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:12.039 to us. Sometimes people find more structures right on the 237 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:16.399 edge of civilization than they find deeper in the wilderness. 238 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.159 There's a sort of ancient kinship I think that draws them. 239 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.000 To us, just like vice versa. 240 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.600 What I started doing is looking in these forests, and 241 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:31.080 if I find structures that seem to be suspicious, like 242 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:34.639 not necessarily what humans like to make you still don't 243 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.519 know for sure that it's not humans. Then you put 244 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.240 out audio recorders, record night after night. I have a 245 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.879 kind that you can program to just record from ten 246 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:47.759 PM to dawn, so the battery lasts and the memory 247 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.399 has enough for several nights in a row. And then 248 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.159 you have to listen to it back in real time. 249 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.440 You can't just look at the spectrogram because lots of 250 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.519 subtle noises like ken which are not woodpeckers at two 251 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.360 in the morning. I'm not woodpeckers because they're not repetitive 252 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:06.799 like deathicult, and then you'll hear a response they're obviously 253 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:10.679 not woodpeckers because sometimes the wood knock is absolutely ear 254 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.639 shattering and it's only one little beak of a woodpecker's 255 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:15.679 not going to do that. So you put the recorders 256 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:17.639 out and then you listen in real time. And when 257 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:22.120 you hear wood knocks or trees being pushed over against 258 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:25.679 great resistance, not some rotten tree that's going to fall, 259 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:26.360 but a. 260 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:27.000 Tree that goes. 261 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:32.600 Damn that it was a healthy tree pushed over, that 262 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:37.360 pretty much tells you that those structures were probably made 263 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.080 by the same quote unquote people, because there are kinds 264 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:44.559 of people that were making those same sounds. It's not 265 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.240 one hundred percent, but it's in the high nineties. Then 266 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:49.480 what you do is you go out and sleep there, 267 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:53.879 You camp out there alone. People have always told me 268 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:58.039 that I'm crazy, slash brave to do this, but really, 269 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.240 my fascination is always outweighed my fear, though certain points 270 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:06.200 my fear spikes up. But basically there's nowhere I'd rather 271 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.519 be than in known Sasquatch's territory, where they definitely come 272 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.639 through because they leave their marks and their signatures in 273 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:16.159 the structures just to be out there. And many times 274 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.279 I've had trees pushed down near me, especially when it's 275 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.639 pitch dark, they feel more comfortable and instead of freaking 276 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:27.200 out and running for my car, I just appreciative, feel privileged, 277 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.320 and I tell them, thank you, thank you for that. 278 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.440 I've had those experiences in terms of those tree pushes, 279 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.159 and I've had lots of woodennocks near me. Then at 280 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:40.960 one point three years ago, I had the encounter of 281 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:42.840 the apple tree, which we can talk about whenever you 282 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.120 want to. And some people thought it was a porcupine, 283 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.960 but the tree that it's climbing, and this was midnight 284 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.399 under a full moon, but also under the canopy of 285 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:55.639 the tree, so it was definitely compromised lighting. But my 286 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:59.559 night vision camera was in operation, so I got the 287 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:01.600 film of the figure climbing up the tree, which is 288 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.799 eight inches thick, and you can just measure the tree 289 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.519 and then measure the size of the figure that climbing it, 290 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.000 because I got it from the bottom. It's preparing to 291 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.919 climb up, and then it pulls itself up with its forearms, 292 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.440 which is not something porcupines do. And also the scale 293 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.320 of the tree shows that it's at least twice as 294 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.159 large as the largest North American male porcupine. So that 295 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.159 was really the peak experience so far. 296 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.919 I know you had some experiences back in two thousand 297 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.200 and eight when you had one of these things come 298 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.600 in and walk around your camp area. Can you take 299 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:33.919 us back to two thousand and eight and talk a 300 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.039 little bit about that experience, because that lasted for quite 301 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:36.960 a while, didn't it. 302 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.960 It did. That was when I was a real newbie 303 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.639 and I didn't see anything, but it was pounding on 304 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.120 the turf. It was a dark night, as usually happens 305 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.320 when it's your best experiences because they feel all secure. 306 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.519 So I was sleeping there and I heard this quote 307 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.840 unquote bird whistle, which was the first time I heard it, 308 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:56.320 and I've heard it many times since, and it's included 309 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.039 in the documentary a breakdown of that whistle. And it's 310 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.960 this elaborate whistle that contains in the middle of it 311 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:06.400 the call of the oven bird. But the prelude part 312 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.880 and the post lude part are not like getting bird 313 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.319 that I've been able to find. Since I've posted the 314 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.480 documentary three years ago, nobody has written me and says, oh, 315 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.559 I know that's an X, Y and Z bird. So 316 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.119 back in two thousand and eight, for the first time 317 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.400 heard this elaborate whistle. I didn't know if it was 318 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.200 a bird or not. But right after the whistle, I 319 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.799 heard pounding on the turf on the ground, and I 320 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.319 hear you over there, because I knew now that it 321 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:36.599 wasn't a bird. It didn't sound like birds. Quail or 322 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.000 pheasant will do a mating dance with the what do 323 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.319 you call thrum, they'll percuss with their wings, so this 324 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:47.079 wasn't that. And then on my recorder cracking breaking sticks. 325 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:50.359 Anyone who's been out in proximity of these guys have 326 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.759 heard a lot of subtle little sounds that they'll make. 327 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.200 They're fidgeting around you. Maybe they're nervous. They probably are, 328 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.359 we both are, so they'll snap twigs. And so I 329 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:04.839 heard this snapping, stepping encircling me all through the night. 330 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:06.640 I didn't get any sleep, so it was like five 331 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:09.799 or six hours that this thing was making its presence known, 332 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:14.319 circumnavigating me again and again. I just lay there and 333 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.480 I was happy, but it didn't escalate, so it wore 334 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:20.920 me down emotionally over time, and I was pretty frazzled 335 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.359 by the time the sun came up. So that was 336 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:28.640 really the first where I personally was interacting with one. 337 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:31.240 I didn't have a thermal camera at the time, so 338 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.599 I was just a passive recipient of this visit. But 339 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.200 I was delighted, and it fueled my passion for going 340 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:40.240 on and sleeping by myself. And I've never had a 341 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.279 scary incident from other animals. I've worried more about bears 342 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.079 and mountain lions than I am about sasquatch, even though 343 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:50.759 I know this escortch can be violent. Like any other 344 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:54.960 population of higher primates, you have different personalities, and they 345 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:58.440 could always be one that has emotional issues or a 346 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:02.920 lack of inhibition, because inhibition and control of themselves that 347 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.680 of the situation is at the very core of their nature. 348 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.000 I have a whole series of books about autism has 349 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.200 related to Sasquatch. I'll just stop talking for a moment 350 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:13.759 and you can ask me something. 351 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.640 Else, give me your thoughts. Let's go back to the 352 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.960 habituation situations. That's one of those things that has fascinated 353 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:23.039 me to know. And I've had multiple people on the 354 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:25.759 show where over five hundred episodes of the podcast at 355 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:28.440 this point, I've probably interviewed a thousand or more people, 356 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.759 and there's a handful that have claimed to have had 357 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:36.240 habituation situations with these creatures. And by and large, one 358 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.400 of the questions I always ask. I'm a very nuts 359 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:40.519 and bolts Ockham's Razor kind of guy. I want to 360 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.680 see the evidence. I ask these people, where is the evidence? 361 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:45.799 If you've been interacting with these things for fifteen or 362 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:47.759 twenty years, You've got to have photos, you got to 363 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.720 have videos, There's got to be physical evidence left behind. 364 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.440 Oh absolutely yeah. I've got tons of videos, and I've 365 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.079 got tons of pictures, and they send me forty five 366 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.200 pictures and it sticks leaves and trees. It's paradolia, a 367 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.759 circle with red circles and stuff exactly. It's the red 368 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:08.240 circle squatch parade that enters into my email. I always 369 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:10.640 ask the same questions of these people. I have one 370 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:13.799 lady I interviewed a while back who basically said, in 371 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.759 no uncertain terms, these things trusted her to the point 372 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.640 where they would bring the babies or the juveniles and 373 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:22.759 put them in what she called the playground in her backyard. 374 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:24.400 And she sent me these pictures that were supposed to 375 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.240 be juvenile sasquatch and it was just sticks, leaves and trees. 376 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:31.039 Have you ever had a situation where you've been able 377 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:34.160 to go out outside of obviously you captured the video 378 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.799 that you captured on thermal. We're talking about how to 379 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.039 see a sasquatch documentary. If you guys want to see 380 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:41.359 that in its entirety, I will link to it in 381 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.480 the blog for the show, So head over to Paranormal 382 00:20:43.519 --> 00:20:46.319 World Productions dot com. I'll embed it over there. It'll 383 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.400 go directly to Chris's Impossible Visits YouTube page. You can 384 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:53.880 see that documentary in its entirety. That's pretty impressive footage. 385 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:55.960 I watched it a couple of times over and over. 386 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.599 Today I was backing it up and looking It certainly 387 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.440 looks like a sa squatch to me, it looks like something. 388 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.519 I see the hand almost reaching around this piece of 389 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:06.960 wood that you captured. That was pretty compelling to me. 390 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.839 But by and large. That's not the case with these 391 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:11.880 habituation sites there is. 392 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:15.160 It's a genuine trust relationship that people do develop with 393 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.519 their local sabsquatch, and I know that it makes skepticism 394 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.240 very easy because they wouldn't have them coming around anymore 395 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.079 if they whipped out the video camera or the still 396 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:28.160 camera and got close pictures, because what we know about 397 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:30.519 Sasquatch is that they don't like the picture taking. Any 398 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:31.480 might say, how do they know? 399 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:32.720 They just know. 400 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.920 I know that's not satisfying. If you want to keep 401 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.000