1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Fred Green, host of the Golf Smarter podcast. 2 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:07,839 Over the next couple of months, on our Friday episodes 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:11,480 that retrieve the greatest hits from our archives, we're going 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:15,240 to feature some of our many conversations with Tony Manzoni. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,800 Tony was an amazing golf instructor who passed away in 6 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:22,399 twenty eighteen, and we first met him in twenty ten, 7 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,760 and every time he was featured on the podcast with us, 8 00:00:26,039 --> 00:00:29,839 emails flooded in from golfers around the world, with more 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,320 positive feedback than any other teacher we've featured. So unless 10 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:37,399 you're new to Golf Smarter or didn't play at College 11 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,759 of the Desert anytime between the nineteen eighties and the 12 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:44,479 two thousands, you've probably never heard of Tony because we 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,920 were the only media outlet to really pay attention to him. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,399 We've been replaying these episodes the last few years, and 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,240 I still get emails today reporting on how well you've 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,960 connected and improved using Tony's teaching methods. Tony's book The 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,959 Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move Better Golf Forever, which was 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,680 out of print when he passed away, is once again 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,480 available on Amazon, including the Kindle format Tony's video of 20 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:15,400 the same name was also out of circulation when he passed, 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,959 but can now be seen online. If you'd like to 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,959 gain access, please write directly to me golf Smarter podcast 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,400 at gmail dot com or click on the Hayfred button 24 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:31,680 at golfsmarter dot com. Lastly, after he passed, we created 25 00:01:31,719 --> 00:01:35,959 a Tony Manzoni Memorial golf Smarter Fund to benefit the 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,519 first t of Coachella Valley, which is where Tony lived 27 00:01:39,519 --> 00:01:45,200 for decades. Your tax deductible contributions are greatly appreciated. You 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,719 can find out more at golfsmarter dot com. We hope 29 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,200 you enjoyed the journey and know that even if you've 30 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:54,640 heard these episodes before, you're going to learn something new. 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,120 We're going to start with the first time we met 32 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,640 Tony back in October of twenty ten and golf Smarter 33 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:04,000 episode two hundred and fifty one. Thanks so much for 34 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:04,920 your support. 35 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,199 Speaker 2: And enjoy the single pivot swing Ben Hogan's secret reveal. 36 00:02:10,599 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: This is golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers 37 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,439 and golf professionals to help lower your score. 38 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: It's worked for your host, Fred. 39 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: Green, Welcome and thanks for downloading the Golf Smarter Podcast. 40 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:29,919 Our guest today is Tony Manzoni, a very interesting man 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,840 with a fascinating career that includes tour player, instructor, college coach, 42 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:42,639 contributing author and co founder of Callaway Impressive. He'll provide 43 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:45,319 us with all the details on that, but most interestingly 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,840 of all, based on years of research and modifications, he's 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,560 unleashed the single pivot swing, which may be the secret 46 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:59,560 to Ben Hogan's amazing ball striking ability. Let's found out more. 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,400 Shall we welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 48 00:03:02,439 --> 00:03:05,159 Speaker 3: Tony, Hi, Fred, how you doing today. 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you so much for joining us. 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,680 You've got an illustrious history in the golf world, and 51 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:14,960 I'm really intrigued about talking to you about where you 52 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,960 started and where you are today. You really have done 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,680 a lot of different things in golf, haven't you. 54 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,479 Speaker 3: Well? I have. You know. I started my career in 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,240 the Chicago area, well near Chicago and Wisconsin, about fifty 56 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,199 miles from Chicago and Ni Person Country Club, and I 57 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:33,800 you know, kind of made my bones there and went 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,319 into the service, came back and worked for worked at 59 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:40,520 Almaden Country Club in San Jose, where I lived and 60 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:43,680 from that point Ken Van Turrey, who I knew very well. 61 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: Wait, you're talking about Almaden, Almaden Country Club in northern California. Yes, 62 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,240 and to say, okay that Almaden all right, becuse all 63 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,800 of a sudden we were in Wisconsin and now you're 64 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:53,439 in San joseh. 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm you know, I move. We moved to California, 66 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,599 moved to San Jose because I was Chicago born and 67 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,240 got a work. I got a job at al Maden 68 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:08,520 and played pretty good golf and turned professional. Obviously made 69 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,960 some you know, made some good scores. I think I 70 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,280 still have the record there at sixty one. At Almaden, 71 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:18,000 met Ken Venturi Uh played in a few events with him. 72 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:20,879 He taught me to come into the desert Uh the 73 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,199 Palm des area. There was a new golf course called 74 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,800 Mission Hills opening up, and I worked for Ken as 75 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,079 the head professional. He was director of golf, but primarily 76 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,439 he was with CBS, so we saw him once a month. 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,279 During that period of time, I got an idea because 78 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,720 I was training a lot of LPGA gals and one 79 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,720 of them was Sally Little, and I got an idea 80 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,879 about playing a mixed team Championship where we wanted to 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,720 play men against women, giving the ladies a distance margin. 82 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,759 As it turned out, it turned out to be the 83 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:56,160 mixed team Championship. J. C. Pennies was wash the group 84 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,000 that one am I trying to I'm trying to say 85 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,519 that that they sponsored and that was for about sixteen 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,800 years on ABC. And from that point in time, I 87 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,680 was very interested in golf club design and I got 88 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,720 together with a fellow by the name of Richard Parenti 89 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:13,800 and Dick Dela Cruz and we started a company called 90 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:18,079 Hickory Stick and we were selling a lot of clubs, 91 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:22,360 but we didn't have the capital to cover the orders. 92 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,319 A fellow by name of Eedie Calloway was a member 93 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:27,879 at the Vintage where I had sold the one hundred 94 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,839 and thirty for one of their golf expos there, and 95 00:05:31,319 --> 00:05:33,480 he liked the club. I made a cold call to 96 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,680 him and talked to him into invested in the company, 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,360 which he did. 98 00:05:38,879 --> 00:05:41,439 Speaker 2: And that's like the best call you ever made. 99 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,199 Speaker 3: Best call, great cold calls of all time. 100 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,519 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 101 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,959 Speaker 3: I talked to him in the putting his name on 102 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,120 the We started out as Calloway hicky Stick Golf Club 103 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,160 and then went from Calloway Hickory Stick to Callaway Golf 104 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,120 and the company ended up settling in the Carlsbad area, 105 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,879 which is the heartbeat of all the golf club companies. 106 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,079 And from then we went public. And during that period 107 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,680 of time, I decided I wanted to go in a 108 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,639 little different direction. So I had a hunk of money, 109 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:19,600 didn't want to retire, and I heard the College of 110 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,600 the Desert was thinking about a golf academy and they 111 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,600 had about a twenty five acre piece of land and 112 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,279 no funding. So through friends of mine and the help 113 00:06:28,319 --> 00:06:30,279 of Greg Norman and a few people that I knew 114 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,800 in the industry, we built a golf driving range of 115 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,399 building and a classroom and it houses a golf management program. 116 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:40,240 And I had intended to do this for two or 117 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,079 three years, get it started and let it flourish, and 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,680 crazy part about it. This is my twenty fifth year. 119 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,279 I became the golf coach of College of the Desert, 120 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:52,160 which has been probably one of the most satisfying things 121 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:54,639 I've ever done in golf. And I mean I'm talking 122 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:57,680 Callaway and mixed team championship and all that, but to 123 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,199 work with these young kids changed the direction in their 124 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:06,759 life off the golf course has been the most rewarding 125 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,639 thing and it's what keeps me going just being around 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,519 these kids. And we have a great record. We won 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,160 our conference championship twenty three years in a row, and 128 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:21,399 we won state championship four times under my tutelage. And 129 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:23,639 so that you know it's all good, it's all real good. 130 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,639 And during that period of time, my passion is teaching golf. 131 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,800 I played at a decent level. I had my moments 132 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,560 in golf, but I really was too interested in going 133 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,560 out at night and chasing skirts and drinking a few 134 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,000 years and I passed that out to my students. I said, 135 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,439 I wasted a pretty good opportunity. So I use some 136 00:07:43,399 --> 00:07:46,040 of the faults in my own life as examples of 137 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,839 what not to do. But golf has always been my 138 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,480 passion in instruction. There's nothing like helping somebody with the 139 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,560 golf game and seeing them play much better golf. That's 140 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,360 way for me. It's worth more than the money that 141 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:01,600 you get for doing it. 142 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm a little bit shocked and stunned dismayed here. You 143 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,879 mean the path to enlightenment and happiness is not lower 144 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,240 scores exactly. It's teaching. It's sharing your knowledge with the Yes, 145 00:08:15,399 --> 00:08:15,720 it is. 146 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:17,759 Speaker 3: It really for me it is. I mean, I'm sure 147 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,399 that there are other people that won't agree with that, 148 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,240 but for me. 149 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:23,399 Speaker 2: It's been the I thought, if we just hit lower scores, 150 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:24,720 we're just going to be happy forever. 151 00:08:25,399 --> 00:08:27,759 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, even when I shot sixty one, 152 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,120 I still blurred it out and I didn't birdy a 153 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,720 par five. I somebody should have come along him slap 154 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:35,279 me in the head that time. That's just the mindset 155 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,840 of all of us when we play golf. We always 156 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,519 think we could have done better anyway. I started studying 157 00:08:40,519 --> 00:08:43,440 Ben Hogan because in my mind, I don't think anyone's 158 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,039 ever controlled the ball like Ben Hogan in the past 159 00:08:47,159 --> 00:08:50,039 or in the present. And there's no I mean these guys, 160 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:51,639 he could give strokes the most of these guys when 161 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:53,759 it comes to pure ball striking, I don't mean scoring, 162 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:55,759 I don't mean putting, but I mean hitting the ball 163 00:08:55,759 --> 00:08:59,840 from tee to green. And a wave of change is 164 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,559 and teaching of golf. At one time, one of the 165 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,600 commonalities of what you saw of a really good player 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,080 was his head didn't move. And then pretty soon people 167 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,240 start saying it's okay for your head to move, and 168 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:15,879 he can go anywhere it wants to go. Well, your head, 169 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,879 there's a center point in the golf, so when you 170 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:19,879 set to the ball, you center yourself to it, and 171 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:21,519 if you move off the ball, you've got to move 172 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,279 back on it. So there's a lot of compensations occurring. 173 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,320 And also I was brought up in the era where 174 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,320 you fan the club open and close it, so you 175 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,960 square the club head with the rotation in the arms. 176 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,480 But in watching Hogan, especially in his later years, and 177 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,440 he didn't really make a lot of film available for 178 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,879 people to see. I read all his books, but nothing 179 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:43,799 in his books said what he did in my estimation, 180 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,960 maybe grip and so forth. But he played off the 181 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,240 left side. He played off with one axis. There's two 182 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,360 access points in the swing left leg, right leg. In 183 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,320 moving to the right leg, you have to make some 184 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,159 kind of a lateral moving back to the left leg 185 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,200 and then rotate around the left leg. And that transitional 186 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,919 move is where all the problems happened in the golf swing. 187 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,840 And also if you're rolling your arms or crossing your 188 00:10:04,919 --> 00:10:07,000 arms over, the club is going to be open a 189 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,679 long time closed a long time and square for just 190 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,960 a moment. And the more you practice, the closer you 191 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,639 can get the square more often that there's still a 192 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,360 lot of air involved in that swing. And you can 193 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,440 look at all the arms swingers. I can name you, 194 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,639 Phil Michelson, I can name you Tiger Woods, and I 195 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:26,879 can name you and Dustin Johnson. These are known names, 196 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,440 and they hit the heck out of the ball. But 197 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,600 they can hit it anywhere in the world. And I 198 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:34,120 mean they can hit it two fairways. Right. You never 199 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,159 saw that in Hogan zero. Okay. Part of that's moving 200 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,799 off the ball. The second part is that Hogan learned 201 00:10:40,799 --> 00:10:42,919 the square of the golf club with his body rotation. 202 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:45,519 So he connected the arm as he took it back 203 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,200 across the chest and then rotated the body to square it. 204 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,679 Now the club has stayed square for a real long time. 205 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:54,519 And there is that's to me is the secret of 206 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,120 hitting the ball properly. You put very little side spin 207 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,679 on the ball, so your shot is you're always going 208 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,279 to push it. You're always gonna pull it. That's just golf. 209 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,279 But you won't pull it with a hook or side spin. 210 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,000 You won't push it with slice, so your dispersion gets 211 00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:15,360 very narrow and by rotating your body instead of tilting 212 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,120 down and under where that's where all the spine problems 213 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,720 and back problems happen. When you rotate your body, you 214 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:25,639 can rotate to where your right shoulder points at the 215 00:11:25,639 --> 00:11:27,879 target and your chest has left the target. Now I 216 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:29,639 have an eighty six year old man that I teach. 217 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,840 I've got a lot of people from the Vintage and Eldorado, 218 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,720 which are really fine clothes, probably the best in the desert, 219 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,559 and they come to me for golf instruction because they 220 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,759 like what I'm teaching and they can hit the ball 221 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,440 more solid, more often because again, we don't have any 222 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,200 compensations in the motion. We brace up against the left side, 223 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,000 rotate the body and rotate back the other way. Don't 224 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:53,279 have to make a lateral move, don't have to turn 225 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:56,200 the hands over in time anything. We just rotate the body. 226 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,919 We trap the club on the left arm, on the chest. 227 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,440 So it's a real easy way to play well. During 228 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:08,919 this period, al Barco, a noted writer, interviewed me, and 229 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,559 you know, you know I'm nobody. I'm a guy at 230 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,320 a driving range. Well, he liked what I had to say, 231 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,080 and he put about an eight pager in Golf Illustrated 232 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,639 magazine and the response was overwhelming. I got calls from 233 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:25,879 all over about people wanting telling me, well, I was 234 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,720 trying stack until I couldn't do that and this really 235 00:12:29,759 --> 00:12:32,720 helped me and my back doesn't hurt, and blah blah blah. 236 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,440 I talked with an editor of Golf Illustrated and he said, 237 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,559 would you like to have a Golf Illustrated single pivot 238 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,960 golf school? And that's what's going to happen in December, 239 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,879 College of the Desert. I've got al Geiberger, who has 240 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,600 followed this process, likes that it teaches now and plays 241 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:53,080 this way. I got his son Brian, who's a very 242 00:12:53,159 --> 00:12:56,679 very fine player, a good instructor from Canada by the 243 00:12:56,759 --> 00:12:59,279 name of Mike Lyons, and myself and we're going to 244 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,639 put together a hell of a golf school. And when 245 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,440 people walk out of that school, they're going to know 246 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,559 why they hit it right, hit it left, and when 247 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,039 the ball spins, will know exactly what. They'll know a 248 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,519 simple move to stop it from spinning, and they're going 249 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,879 to be able to hit the ball farther than they've 250 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:16,320 done in their life. And I don't care if they're 251 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,879 a young player thinking about the tour, or an old 252 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:21,240 guy that's played and he can't get off his right 253 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,320 side anymore. He spins out and slices everything will fix 254 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:28,240 all that, and it's not complicated. I've never believed that 255 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,519 the golf swing was rocket science. But I did know 256 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,840 that Benhogan knew something that other people didn't, and he 257 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,000 divulged this and other subsequent books where he made phrases 258 00:13:38,039 --> 00:13:40,360 he said, well, I'm going to play off my left 259 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:43,320 side from now on. Lee Trevino said to me, I've 260 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,440 never seen anybody play good off their right side, but 261 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,960 I said a lot of great players play off their 262 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,720 left side. But when he made that statement to me, 263 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,399 I had no idea what he was talking about. I 264 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,919 never realized, because I know you never stop learning in 265 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:57,240 this game. This is a school you never graduate from 266 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:01,039 because there's always tweaking. There's always things that you can 267 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,759 glean from other players, other teachers, and so forth. So 268 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,200 I do know one thing Tiger Woods is all being 269 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,960 taught to play off the left side. Watney just said 270 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,759 on television in the last tournament, I had a great tip. 271 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,000 I set up with seventy percent on my left side. 272 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,679 They're all getting back to stay in the center to 273 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,159 the golf ball. It's just too hard when you're moving 274 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,480 that club as fast as these young people are moving it. 275 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,639 It's too hard to time it with your hands and arms. 276 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:29,840 You've got to trap it so that you can turn 277 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:32,000 through it and eliminate the left side. And that's what 278 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:35,159 this does. I can tell you that I don't care 279 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,399 who it is that's wild with a driver. Fifteen minutes 280 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,240 with them, if they're especially if they're a good player, 281 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,200 a tour player, let's say, fifteen minutes to learn this process. 282 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,159 They can hit as hard as they want to not 283 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,360 hit the left. So it's very exciting and it's going 284 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,399 to be really worthwhile. 285 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: Well, that was an all encompassing answer. You answered every 286 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:58,840 single question that I didn't even get to ask. In 287 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:00,440 your first answer. 288 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,159 Speaker 3: I got in detail. 289 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 2: More than that's what I want to do. I'm going 290 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:04,600 to want to go into details, but I do need 291 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:14,120 to break for just a moment because Tony, thanks so 292 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:19,200 much for waiting, and let's get back to I don't 293 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,120 even know where to go here. I do wanted to 294 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,399 ask you about working at the College of the Desert 295 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,159 before we go back into your your golf school because 296 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,799 and then of course the single pivot swing. But is 297 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,039 the College of the Desert. Do you cover more than 298 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,879 just golf instruction? I mean, there's so many kids today 299 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:42,799 who who may not be good enough to get up 300 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,519 to the tour, but they love golf so much that 301 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:47,720 they would like to be involved in the golf industry. 302 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,000 Does your program facilitate that? 303 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,399 Speaker 3: Absolutely. We have a golf management program and we take 304 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,320 those kids through turf grass management, golf shop operations of 305 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,480 teaching golf fundamentals and rules of golf, public speaking, marketing classes. 306 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,879 It has a business aspect to it, It has a 307 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:11,480 general education aspect to it, and then it has core 308 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:14,320 training aspect to it, which is the core courses like 309 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,320 golf shop operations or methods of teaching golf. So when 310 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,759 the student comes out of this two year program with 311 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,200 an AA degree, they can get into the industry and 312 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,480 they get into middle management very quickly. For instance, in 313 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,320 this valley, I've got nine head professionals that have come 314 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,360 out of this program. One of my students has been 315 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:40,240 in China for fifteen years, and in fact, I'm leaving 316 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:43,600 the eighteenth of next month to go to China. Because 317 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,919 we're going to create a linkage of Chinese students coming 318 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:50,559 to College of the Desert and taking accelerated programs, and 319 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,279 at the same time they're interested in maybe me setting 320 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,399 up some golf schools in China. So I'm very excited 321 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,679 about that. But the college program is really a terrific program. 322 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,599 You know, the PGA of America has these IgM programs 323 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:08,880 and there are it's a five year commitment. I kind 324 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,000 of like what we do and what the San Diego 325 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:14,079 career colleges do. You get in and get out two 326 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,640 years and you certainly have you're not going to be 327 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,480 an expert, and no one is coming out of these 328 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,880 programs because you have to have the hands on But 329 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:24,559 that two year commitment, you can get right out into 330 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,319 industry and get going. 331 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: You a golf team as well. 332 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: Oh we have a great golf team. We have a 333 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:37,200 great golf team. I've been coached for I believe it's 334 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,119 now going on nineteen years and we won our conference 335 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,920 every year. The previous coach, who was a terrific coach, 336 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,200 we had had one in a few more years. So 337 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,599 we're at the twenty third year in a row right now, 338 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,759 and under my coaching I've won four state championships and 339 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:59,400 a number of what they call regional tournaments. It's been 340 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:02,039 just great working with young people. First of all, they 341 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,440 all hit it over three hundred yards. It's crazy. I mean, 342 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,200 I feel like putting on a calf and address when 343 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,359 I play with the boys. So I finally said, okay, 344 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,200 I from now on, I'm up in the uptees. I 345 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,720 swallowed my pride because at one time I could pop 346 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,480 it pretty far. But it's just crazy how far they 347 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,799 hit it now. But the problem is that they can 348 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,480 hit it anywhere far, and so we try to get 349 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,880 them to understand how they have to manage themselves on 350 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,440 the golf course. And of course, anger is one of 351 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,519 the things that comes along with the game, and you 352 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:33,480 have to have a little fire in your belly to 353 00:18:33,559 --> 00:18:36,119 be a competitor, obviously, but you can't let it affects 354 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,359 you to the point where it affects your next group 355 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,039 of shots. And I, being Italian, struggled with that up 356 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,319 until the last week. 357 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: But anyway, a sixty that day. 358 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: But I do try to talk to the boys. You know, 359 00:18:55,799 --> 00:18:58,079 in all honesty, these are the things you can't do 360 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,240 and can do it you don't understand that you also 361 00:19:01,279 --> 00:19:04,880 disrupt other people when you're angry at yourself. It makes 362 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,640 people uncomfortable around you, and it's not what the game 363 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,680 is supposed to be. But it's gotten to the point 364 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,200 where there's so much, so much money now and all 365 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,359 of that, all that same that's attached to it that 366 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,079 I think we've lost a little bit in the transition 367 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,000 from the days when guys jumped in until OPPI and 368 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,519 drove from tournament to tournament and didn't make enough money 369 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:27,920 to stay on tour they had to go and take 370 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,480 club jobs. But there was something really, something really pure 371 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:32,319 about that period. 372 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,279 Speaker 2: Now also in that period, the amateur status was very 373 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,839 was looked upon much differently than it is today. Even 374 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,519 if even if you have an amateur status today, I mean, 375 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:45,559 does that even exist, Well, I guess it would for 376 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,880 college players. 377 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: But you know, right, you're right, yeah, I mean there is, 378 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,200 but I think that a lot of people, just like 379 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,119 in other sports, to kind of get around it a bit. 380 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,559 But anyway, the college program is it really is the 381 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:03,359 reason I'm here more than anything else. 382 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,799 Speaker 2: So we've heard about stack until we've heard about single 383 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:10,200 plane and dual plane swings. Now you want to talk 384 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,039 about the single pivot swing. 385 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: Well, there's just you know, sack until I don't. I'm 386 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,519 not going to say that they're wrong. It's just a 387 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:25,039 different way of looking at it. I'm basing everything I'm 388 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:28,480 talking about on what I believe who was the best golfer, 389 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,920 and that was Ben Hogan. And Ben Hogan his later 390 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,160 years played off his left side, and that just really 391 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,720 means that he eliminated the lateral move in the golf swing. 392 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:36,880 He means it. 393 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 4: I need it. 394 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: I need it. I'm sorry to interrupt, but I do 395 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:42,480 need a better understanding, better explanation of what you mean 396 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,160 by playing off the left side. 397 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,319 Speaker 3: And I'm standing up right, okay, when you set up 398 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:49,680 for the golf ball, instead of setting up fifty to 399 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,680 fifty or even fifty forty being the left side and 400 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,599 sixty being the right like a lot of people really 401 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,880 tilt to the right when they're going to hit the 402 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,039 driver because because they've been told if they hang back 403 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:03,240 like that, they can work under and catch the ball 404 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,640 on the f swing. And that's true if you're going 405 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,720 to rotate your hands and arms. But Hogan's raced up 406 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,200 a little left now. He did a little differently than 407 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,839 I teach. When he took the club back, it looked 408 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:17,160 like he was going to move to the right, but 409 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,079 as the club went back in his rotation, he set 410 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,799 up against the left side. And I've got zillion pictures 411 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,240 showing that. And he set up against the left side 412 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,039 because now he's against impact and all he has to 413 00:21:28,079 --> 00:21:31,000 do is rotate his body. You don't lose any power, 414 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,359 trust me. In fact, you gain power, and more importantly, 415 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,160 because you can catch the ball dead square again. You're 416 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,960 not moving away from the golf ball in the backswing. 417 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,440 So it's nothing new. It was done for years by 418 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,720 a lot of players. It just wasn't talked about, and 419 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:52,359 I think a lot of people misinterpret doing it. They said, well, 420 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,039 aren't you reversing your weight shift, aren't you? And that's 421 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:58,200 the farthest thing from the truth. The reverse of the 422 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,640 weight shift is when you stand up down the ball 423 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,039 and your hip slide underneath you and your hips go 424 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,960 go to the right and your head is to the left. 425 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,000 And then on the downs when your head goes back 426 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,079 and your and your hips go forward and you're on 427 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,640 the right foot. That's how the reversing the weight shift, 428 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,279 but staying off of staying on one axis and then 429 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:17,960 working around that axis is a far cry from that. 430 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,039 And it's I can tell you there's a lot of 431 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,319 naysayers until I have ten minutes with them and then 432 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,559 they that I owe them. 433 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Once you can show them and put the 434 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,079 club in their hand and work with them directly, I'm 435 00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:34,400 sure you have much different result than just trying to 436 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,839 explain it without the visual. 437 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's not an old and this is not 438 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,559 an old man's thing. I've got a couple of fifteen 439 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,279 year olds that are shooting in the sixties and they 440 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,359 beat that ball over three hundred yards at fifteen years old, 441 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,519 and they and they look at me. And I got 442 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,359 one Korean boy and every time he looks at me 443 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,799 as his coach, no side spin. And I just get 444 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:59,200 a big kick out of that. You know, It's it's 445 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,839 my passion. As you can tell, I talk too much 446 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,960 about it and too fast about it. 447 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: But I can't help you're talking so fast. 448 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't help myself. It's because I'm excited about this. Necessarily, 449 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,279 it is a breakthrough and there's no question about it. 450 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: Fabulous. Uh And now for for the school. How many 451 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:19,480 days is this school that you're going to be putting 452 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,440 on for your UH. 453 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,319 Speaker 3: There will only be There'll only be. It will be 454 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,599 a one or two day school each day six hours 455 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:29,000 of instruction. UH. So it'll be a one day Saturday 456 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,400 school and a one day UH Sunday school. So a 457 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,880 person can come to both day both schools if they 458 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:37,880 if they need me. But to be honest with you, 459 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,519 if we have you for six hours, UH, you're going 460 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:42,920 to be able to do it, and you're going to 461 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,880 be understand why you do it. We're going to teach 462 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,519 you cause and effect UH. And that's very important for someone. 463 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:54,279 And I can promise you that I will not have 464 00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,559 anyone that won't be swinging, and we'll prove it. We're 465 00:23:57,599 --> 00:23:59,680 going to film you in the beginning and film you 466 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,079 in the end, and you're going to see a tremendous 467 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,799 change in your setup position and the way you finish. 468 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,799 Most people never get to their left side because it's 469 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:09,559 too far on the right side to ever get there. 470 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160 And we'll get you through the golf ball. And we're 471 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,359 not going to say to you shift your weight. We're 472 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,480 going to show you how to rotate your body and 473 00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:18,079 that's going to make your weight shift and you're going 474 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,039 to be in really good balance, and you're going to 475 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,599 hit the ball hard for the first time in a while. 476 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,039 Speaker 2: The thing about a golf school that I've had difficulty 477 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,519 with is that, say you get it one day of 478 00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:37,839 instruction or two days at best of instruction, or three 479 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,039 or four, and you go through it and you're like, Okay, 480 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:43,359 I got it. Yeah, I understand what I'm doing now, 481 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,519 and then you go home and you don't get a chance. 482 00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:48,400 Now that you've played three days in a row, You've 483 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,160 got to catch up back with your life and your work, 484 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,920 and you don't get a chance to play for three weeks, 485 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,640 and you don't get a chance to practice for two 486 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,759 weeks whatever, and you go out there and all of 487 00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,359 a sudden, it's all gone. It's like, now, what do 488 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,880 they teach me again? And I find that to be 489 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,079 a difficult part about golf schools that you know, if 490 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,240 I'm coming across the country go to your school, I'm 491 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,400 going to lose all this stuff. How do I retain it? 492 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,000 What kind of follow up do you have to help 493 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,279 somebody if they're like, Okay, so I went to your 494 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,680 school and I got it and it was great, but 495 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,759 now I need some help. 496 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: Everyone's going to get a book is going to get 497 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,119 a book called The Loss Fundamental, which I've written, and 498 00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,880 it will be out before the school starts, and it's 499 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,559 a complete explanation. Also, they will be able to talk 500 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:36,480 to us via via email and we can actually if 501 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,000 they tell us what the ball is doing, we can 502 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,519 tell them what they're doing. But we're not basing our 503 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,200 instruction on timing, and that's the key. That's a key issue. 504 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,000 We're not basing that instruction on you going out and 505 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,640 hitting four hundred balls a day. We're basing it on 506 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,920 body position. If we can show you where your body 507 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,960 should be on the backswing and on the through swing. 508 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:57,960 The rest of it is pretty easy. Once you connect 509 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,559 your arms or keep your arms connected the body, and 510 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,079 of course they're connected. I mean it sounds almost insane 511 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,799 to say that, but connection in the golf thing is 512 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,759 different than the body being attached to the arm being 513 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:12,359 attached to the body. Once we show them how connection occurs, 514 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,640 and it's a very very simple explanation with an exercise, 515 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,200 they can do it almost instantly and you will be 516 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,680 able to tell by what the ball does if you're 517 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,799 connected or disconnected. There is no question about that. In fact, 518 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,160 a good instructor can turn us back to the student 519 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,359 and watch the ball flight and he can tell you 520 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,599 physically what you did. It is so simple. So what 521 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,079 the golf our school will be is that this explanation 522 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,640 over and over and over for six hours and when 523 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,880 you're when you walk away from here, you're going to 524 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,680 be able to do this. It isn't going to be 525 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:48,839 a matter if you're going to lose it, because we're 526 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,759 not basing it on you having good timing that particular day. 527 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:56,519 Speaker 2: So the name of your book the loss fundamental. What 528 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000 is there something specific that it is a basic fundation 529 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,079 mental that is missing for most people who take construction. 530 00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's playing center to the ball and that's been 531 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,920 and that's the fundamental that really is lost because there's 532 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480 so many people teaching to move the weight all onto 533 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,119 the right leg and then move it back all the 534 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,079 way onto the left leg. 535 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:20,759 Speaker 2: I noticed that when I've taken a lesson, or I've 536 00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:24,240 been given instruction, or even going through a change is 537 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240 swing change, that the first thing that happens to me 538 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,000 is that all of a sudden, my rhythm is all 539 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,920 screwed up. My timing, I start speeding things up. 540 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, rhythm is a very important aspect, and 541 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,640 you know, with the technology that's happening nowadays. I met 542 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,920 a gentleman by the name of Ted Calwell that has 543 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,480 invented a thing called shot Watch and it's an amazing 544 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,119 piece of equipment because it monitors your rhythm and I 545 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,640 think most importantly, it monitors your grip pressure on the 546 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,440 golf handle through impact, which really has a lot to 547 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,279 do with the law. And it also monitors the time 548 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,680 of the swing. So you can you can take this watch, 549 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,640 put it on. It tells the time, and you spin 550 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000 it around and turn it backwards on your left hand 551 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,559 if you're right handed golfer, and go ahead and pop 552 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,240 the ball, and it's going to give you these readouts. 553 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,359 And you can store these readouts, so a person practicing 554 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,359 can really really when they hit it really well, they 555 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,200 can look at those numbers and say, Okay, that's the 556 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640 numbers I want to get close to. Yeah, I have 557 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,880 I have Ted right here. I'd like to have. 558 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: That would be great. And and you know it's interesting 559 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,559 because when Ted first introduced the shot Watch, he came 560 00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:39,319 on we talked about it on the Golf Smarter podcast, 561 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,279 and there were so many people that, so many listeners 562 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,480 who purchased the shot Watch, and I got great feedback. 563 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,359 Speaker 4: Teddy there, Yeah, I'm here, Fred, Nice to talk to 564 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:51,880 you again. 565 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great talking to you. Thanks so much for 566 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,799 coming on and sharing this time with Tony. 567 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pleasure. I was listening very carefully to 568 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,079 what Tony was having to say because one of the 569 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,599 things that we've adopted at the urging of Tony and 570 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:15,359 consistent with his single pivot idea, is our grip pressure 571 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,319 now has an added feature, just to refresh your memory 572 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,079 or for your first time listeners that aren't familiar with 573 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,640 shot Watch. We have a pressure plate on the back 574 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,799 of the watch that's very very sensitive and it makes 575 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,359 contact with the pulse point on the active arm, the 576 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440 left arm for a right handed golfer. Now, when the 577 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:39,599 arms rotate or the wrist moves, those tendons exert pressure 578 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:43,119 against that plate and that's what we get our grip 579 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,079 pressure readings on. Now. In addition to giving a reading 580 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,839 on the grip pressure throughout the swing plane, which is 581 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,680 the average from takeaway to contact with the ball, we 582 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:01,880 do a statistical operation on that on those grip pressure readings. 583 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,839 There's fifty or so of them through the swing, and 584 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,839 then we give the variation in the grip pressure. So 585 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:12,960 what that tells the user is that if there's a 586 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,119 large number for the variation, there's a lot of variation 587 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:18,359 in your grip pressure through your swing, which is just 588 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,440 the opposite of what Tony is talking about, because that 589 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,519 means the arms are rolling over, the wrists are cocking, 590 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,880 the golfer is bearing down at the time he's either 591 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,039 breaking his wrists or cocking or making contact with the 592 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,319 ball that will cause a variation in the grip pressure 593 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,880 instead of as Tony was talking about, keeping it constant 594 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,599 throughout the swing. So we've added that feature and we 595 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,720 think that's going to be very very helpful in terms 596 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,160 of getting people to hit longer and straighter shots. We 597 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,119 still have the other swing parameters. We have the swing speed, 598 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,160 where we encourage the use of the instrument to to 599 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,839 as a swing speed workout device. Start off hitting slow, 600 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,240 swinging slowly, keep maintaining balance, working on the single pivot, 601 00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:15,480 and gradually increasing your speed while maintaining your balance and 602 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,359 while and and so we you know, we give a 603 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,920 digital readout of that speed with one being slow as 604 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,279 ten being fastest, so that like Tony's guys here, they're 605 00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:32,559 off the charts, they exceed what we can capture with 606 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:35,920 the shot Watch, because as he's saying, they'll whip that 607 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,720 club around at a phenomenal rate in excess of one 608 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:43,519 hundred and thirty miles an hour. But for just us 609 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:46,799 mere mortals, you know, we're going to start out, We're 610 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,839 going to start out. We're going to work toward getting 611 00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:54,160 that single pivot swing, keeping everything compact and making good 612 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,200 contact with the ball to drive it, to drive it longer. 613 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: So the shot. But you've you've done a lot of 614 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,519 work on the shot Watch since it initially came out, 615 00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,400 and you've made a bunch of changes. Let let's talk 616 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200 for a moment. Uh, Clearly, shotwatch has a lot of 617 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:14,119 value to someone at the range to help them get 618 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,039 a steady, a steading pace, a good rhythm, willing. But 619 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,240 also and this this new concept of grip pressure I 620 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,880 think is really interesting because I know there are times 621 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,319 where I find myself, you know, white knuckling. I'm just 622 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,640 squeezing the club in a pressure situation, and you've really 623 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:31,839 got to learn to control that. 624 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: Yes, you do and it really does help rad to 625 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,440 have a to have a digital display and represented as 626 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,079 a real number which you can then record, you know, 627 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,599 in your active memory, and then on subsequent swings, say, 628 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,119 I got to get that number, whether it's the variation 629 00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,920 in the grip pressure number or the absolute number. I've 630 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,079 got to you know, I've got to get that to 631 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,519 where uh there there aren't these spikes you know in 632 00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:02,640 the in the grip pressure or large number in the 633 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,279 variation read out. 634 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: I would think that it would be really valuable to 635 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,240 have this on the range and and try different swings, 636 00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:17,279 but gripping it at different pressures intentionally so that you 637 00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,400 can see what it feels like, and then you have 638 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,759 a gauge to go, oh, okay, so that's what it 639 00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,279 feels like if I'm really squeezing too hard, and that's 640 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:26,720 if I'm not enough, So you can really get a 641 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,680 comparison and then take that with you out on the 642 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,359 course to say, all right, this is the difference between 643 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,000 what it feels like, you know, I got to relax, 644 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:37,079 I can feel that. 645 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 4: And where the rubber hits the road is whether the 646 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:42,680 ball goes straight and if there's a lot of variation 647 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,799 in the grip pressure, as Tony was saying, you know 648 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,000 you're going to slice it. And and because that, you 649 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:52,319 know that bearing down is going to alter the flight 650 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,480 of the ball as much as anything. And to go 651 00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:58,960 on to the range with that nice relaxed grip, you know, 652 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,119 again to quote Hog and you know, just tighten up 653 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,079 to keep that club in your hands, you know. And uh, 654 00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,400 and there's a digital number that you know, depending on 655 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,320 the hand strength of the individual user, that's a custom fit. 656 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:12,639 Speaker 3: You know. 657 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 4: If it's uh, you know, the number that works for 658 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,440 you is the one you'll commit to memory and the 659 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:24,760 and and the device is really uh, it's strong. Its strength, 660 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,679 it's strongest selling point is that it's a muscle memory device. 661 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 2: So important. Well, it's great to have you back on 662 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:32,800 the show. 663 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,039 Speaker 4: Thanks very much, Fred. 664 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And and because you had so much success 665 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,440 with shot Watch the first time that we presented it 666 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,800 on the Golf Smarter podcast, you contacted me again wanting 667 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,719 to do it. And so we've talked about this previously 668 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,199 and we've made arrangements for Golf Smarter members to be 669 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,079 able to purchase the shot Watch at your website at 670 00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:00,480 a discounted price. Right and so normally the price for 671 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:03,880 the shot watches one ninety nine to ninety five and 672 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,639 for Golf Smarter listeners, if you use the checkout code 673 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,079 golf Smarter, you'll be able to pick it up for 674 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,800 one hundred and eighty dollars. And for Golf Smarter members, 675 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880 go to the Golf Smarter member blog and I will 676 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,920 give you the coupone code there because you'll be able 677 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440 to get that shot watch discounted from one hundred and 678 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,000 ninety nine to ninety five to one hundred and sixty dollars, 679 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,719 which is a very generous discount for you to give 680 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,800 to our listeners. We appreciate it very much. 681 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 4: Well, we're certainly pleased to do so. 682 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 2: Fred So again, if you're not a Golf Smarter member, 683 00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,480 this could be a great opportunity to take advantage of 684 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,960 signing up for that just so you can get the discount, 685 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,039 the significant discount here again one hundred and eighty dollars 686 00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:50,920 for normal Golf Smarter listeners with the coupone code golf 687 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,639 Smarter and for Golf Smarter members one hundred and sixty dollars, 688 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,199 and we'll give you that coupon code on the blog. 689 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:02,599 And if you if you didn't find it, email me 690 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,119 and I will send you the coupon code for that. 691 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,960 But even more so, we're going to give one away, 692 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,079 actually we're going to give two away again. Ted and 693 00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:15,199 I talked about this previously and arranged that we are 694 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,559 going to give one away to a golf Smarter member 695 00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,320 and we are going to have a drawing if you 696 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,320 register to enter at golfsmarter dot com. Deadline for entry 697 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,880 is November fifth, and we will announce the winner on 698 00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:33,199 November ninth. We will give one away randomly to a 699 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,800 golf Smarter member on the episode of October nineteenth. But 700 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,480 please go to golfsmarter dot com, click on contests and 701 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:45,199 register to win a shot watch again, value to two 702 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,760 hundred dollars discounted for you only you, and again, Ted, 703 00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,639 thank you so much for coming back on the show 704 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960 and bringing Tony along. He's absolutely yes. 705 00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 4: Well I want to I want to thank you Fred, 706 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,199 and I also want to thank Tony because his advice, 707 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,360 you know, he's all his experience and teaching golf and 708 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960 all the rest of that has has helped us in 709 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,039 the development of the product enormously. And and you know, 710 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,920 so this is a this is genuinely a team effort 711 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,840 and we're delighted to work together with with Tony and 712 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,239 his and his boys out here. 713 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 2: Great And can I say goodbye to Tony myself? 714 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, here he is. 715 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:26,199 Speaker 3: Hey friend, Hey. 716 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,519 Speaker 2: Tony, thank you so much for coming onto the podcast. 717 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,559 And uh I best of luck with the with the school. 718 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,079 And I'm hoping when I come back down to the 719 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,960 Desert sometime in twenty eleven that we'll get a chance 720 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,159 to meet one another face to face. 721 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 3: I hope so too, And I hope I didn't give 722 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,679 you any kind of a bad ear here with it 723 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,159 all that time. 724 00:37:44,159 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 2: Oh I loved it. I loved it. At some point 725 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,639 I'm going to want to be wearing a cap from 726 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:53,239 your team from College of the Desert Golf team. 727 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 3: That's a given. Awesome all right, Pelby. 728 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,639 Speaker 2: Thank you Tony very much. We'll talk to you a 729 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,039 bye bye. No