Speaker 1: This should be the cold open, because this is actually like,
Speaker 1: what are these guys laughing about?
Speaker 2: This is great? I gotta listen to this whole thing, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, all right, think think I'm still in I'm
Speaker 3: still in programming meeting mode here, you're coming.
Speaker 2: Well, how about this? Let me let me just do it.
Speaker 1: Let me take a crack at Yeah, this podcast that
Speaker 1: we have done now fifty plus episodes, I feel like
Speaker 1: you and I are kind of developing a familiarity over
Speaker 1: what is going to slap and what is it is
Speaker 1: not going to slap for each other?
Speaker 3: Do you find yourself then in the least weird way
Speaker 3: I can possibly ask this question, do you.
Speaker 1: Think even when it's like something that I don't think
Speaker 1: you're into that, Like when we're watching Nuremberg, I was
Speaker 1: even thinking of like Commonos isn't gonna like this at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then and I'm like, and then I watched stuff
Speaker 1: that like you kind of turned me on to, and
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like kind of guessing as like, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this yes, this is his genre, but is this
Speaker 1: his type of genre? Lauren Michaels always did this in SNL,
Speaker 1: like it's like talking about a sketch. Yes, it gotta laugh,
Speaker 1: but did it get the right kind of laugh?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So this this is a horror, but was it
Speaker 1: the right kind of horror for you? And I feel
Speaker 1: like the way that you laid out while you loved
Speaker 1: Ready or Not the first one so much, we're reviewing
Speaker 1: Ready or Not too here I come in this podcast.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was going to be difficult for
Speaker 1: you to like this one as much as the other one.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this was a different movie than
Speaker 1: what we saw in the first one too, do you?
Speaker 2: I do believe that this was a different movie.
Speaker 1: It was a different I mean, it was similar formula,
Speaker 1: but it was it was a different this stakes were different, Uh,
Speaker 1: they were much higher and I think it got to
Speaker 1: be more hokey, right.
Speaker 3: I was going to say it was higher, but somehow
Speaker 3: also less serious, less serious time.
Speaker 1: And it was And it was really expansive, like they
Speaker 1: really expanded on this whole Now you see now you
Speaker 1: see me, I'm gonna I'm gonna do that multiple times,
Speaker 1: Ready or Not. They expanded on this whole universe that
Speaker 1: it wasn't just one family, This is.
Speaker 2: A whole different this is a whole big like not
Speaker 2: a click what do you call it? Cult? Yes, the
Speaker 2: whole big cult that was behind this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I'll be honest with you, man, I found
Speaker 3: myself because you were spot on, and I used a
Speaker 3: couple of examples during our ties on Outside the Box.
Speaker 2: I said, uh, this is prior to you watching it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think and I could tell though already,
Speaker 3: just based on the trailer I used. I think Megan
Speaker 3: is an example, but I think the ultimate example is
Speaker 3: Guardians of the Galaxy. I was so unsold about the
Speaker 3: first Guardians that I did even see it in theaters.
Speaker 3: I was like a talking tree in Raccoon. Okay, I
Speaker 3: realized Marvel's been good, but they've clearly Yeah, of course
Speaker 3: they clearly have overstepped with this one, and I think
Speaker 3: they're getting a little too far out there. Flash forward
Speaker 3: to me catching it five months after the fact, thinking
Speaker 3: it was brilliant. I was like, this is fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about that is is like they've
Speaker 1: made three Guardians of the Galaxy, and if you looked
Speaker 1: at the first one like well, this will never work,
Speaker 1: and yet they made one Eternals and you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great.
Speaker 3: It was super epic because they earned it, because like,
Speaker 3: they earned that kind of trust, and.
Speaker 2: Now it's it's like an abomination. Everybody hates that. You know, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll never be in eternals.
Speaker 3: Too, there won't be. Even though I didn't really mind
Speaker 3: the first one, I liked it. Yeah, I say all
Speaker 3: that to say, though, the second Guardians of the Galaxy
Speaker 3: is a fine movie. But after going from well I
Speaker 3: don't want to see that, that's stupid to oh my god,
Speaker 3: that was the best Star Wars movie I've ever seen
Speaker 3: in my life. And it's not even a Star.
Speaker 2: Wars Star Wars movie. I think it's a great Father's
Speaker 2: Day movie.
Speaker 3: The second one, second one, Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3: Don't even get me started with that. But but I
Speaker 3: say all that to say that, like the second one,
Speaker 3: while on its own, was a fine movie. The jokes
Speaker 3: felt more forced, the chemistry while yeah, I felt like
Speaker 3: everywhere it was because they tried to take the formula
Speaker 3: from the first one that was so unique, so fresh,
Speaker 3: and so new, and they just kind of tried to
Speaker 3: superimpose it onto a new story. And that's basically what
Speaker 3: we dealt with here. I mean, we can spoil the
Speaker 3: first ready or not, right, because that's been out.
Speaker 2: So let's just get the gist of this.
Speaker 1: Basically, this is a woman who marries into a family,
Speaker 1: and this family has been blessed by Satan with ungodly riches. Okay,
Speaker 1: but every time somebody is you know, every time there's
Speaker 1: a new family member, they have to play a game
Speaker 1: this family owns, like this board game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're basically what was the main one that did
Speaker 3: like Monopoly and has Milton Bradleyeah, yeah, exactly, they're basically.
Speaker 2: Basically Melton Bradley.
Speaker 1: And so they have to play a game and and
Speaker 1: and if the game comes out like chess or checkers
Speaker 1: or whatever, nothing happens. But the game, if it's Hide
Speaker 1: and Seek, the one that's randomly selected, then basically they
Speaker 1: have to kill the new person in the family before
Speaker 1: sunrise or they all die. The whole family dies. So
Speaker 1: that's the gist of the movie.
Speaker 3: But the important part of that is that you spend
Speaker 3: the entire movie thinking they are nuts. You're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: obviously Satan doesn't have to Yeah. At no point, ever,
Speaker 3: oh I did not cross my mind that they actually
Speaker 3: had to kill her. I was like, Okay, so these
Speaker 3: guys are gonna be nuts and there's not going to
Speaker 3: be like that's and then the ultimate climax of the movie,
Speaker 3: you're like, oh no, it quite literally is satan.
Speaker 1: Well well quite frankly, they didn't. They didn't know either,
Speaker 1: Like the husband of the sister, I think it was.
Speaker 1: He's like, see, I knew it. I knew it was
Speaker 1: all bs like this isn't real and all of a sudden, right, So,
Speaker 1: but I was thinking of that. It was still like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's something there.
Speaker 3: See. That was why I liked it so much is
Speaker 3: because the way they explode in the first one, because
Speaker 3: it's just like they don't do what they're supposed to
Speaker 3: do and they literally explode into little pieces and it's
Speaker 3: so graphic and so over the top and in my opinion,
Speaker 3: so unforeseeable that I was like, oh, so this is
Speaker 3: this is a good movie. I didn't realize I was
Speaker 3: watching a movie that's this good. I say that to say.
Speaker 2: So, what did you think was gonna happen at the
Speaker 2: end as you're watching this?
Speaker 3: I didn't know if they was just going to be
Speaker 3: like an awkward they go their separate ways or whatever
Speaker 3: the situation was. But it kind of lent itself to
Speaker 3: like because they were all so eccentric and so strange,
Speaker 3: and you were just like, oh, so these guys are
Speaker 3: just kind of chalking it up to that, And.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't think they were that eccentric.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Adam Brodie's character, all of them, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't see that some of them. Yeah, But like I
Speaker 1: thought Andy McDowell and Henry is it Serny Cherney guy
Speaker 1: from Mission Impossible, Yeah, I thought they were pretty normal.
Speaker 1: Like the one unhinged one was the.
Speaker 3: The ant, Yeah, the ant was up there. The cokehead
Speaker 3: sister was you know, yeah, and like you know, the
Speaker 3: other sister as well with the heavy set husband who
Speaker 3: like she was kind of cold. But I mean, like
Speaker 3: when you look at all those I guess my main
Speaker 3: problem with it is this movie just took all of
Speaker 3: those parts and recycled them. Nothing new is going to happen.
Speaker 2: But that's that's a sequel. That's what a sequel is. See.
Speaker 3: I think we are in a new era. And now
Speaker 3: we've never talked about this, but I genuinely believe and
Speaker 3: it's not new meaning the last couple of years, but
Speaker 3: our adult life. I think the idea that something is
Speaker 3: a sequel no longer guarantees law of diminishing returns anymore.
Speaker 3: I expect to go see second and even third movies
Speaker 3: that find a way to intrigue me more. I I'll
Speaker 3: get me Winter Soldier over First Avenger any day of
Speaker 3: the week, you know what I mean? Give me a
Speaker 3: if I thought about Dark Knight versus Batman begins, and
Speaker 3: I'm sure if I thought long enough, I could get
Speaker 3: outside a superhero movies. But there's play of examples, even
Speaker 3: Mission Impossible seven and eight. I go into those expecting
Speaker 3: to one up what was happening in Mission Impossible two
Speaker 3: and three?
Speaker 1: Like okay, But can I just say what all those
Speaker 1: films that you just mentioned have in comment?
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 2: They were all planned? They were all planned sequels.
Speaker 3: Do you think they expected dead reckoning and final reckoning
Speaker 3: when they were doing the one with Philip Seymour Hoffman
Speaker 3: in two thousand Sex.
Speaker 1: That was a third one, dude, that was a third
Speaker 1: one Mission Impossible and Tom Cruise wasn't going anywhere like this.
Speaker 2: That was a franchise at that point.
Speaker 1: Once you hit three, you are a franchise, right, And
Speaker 1: so so my point at like Marvel, uh you mentioned
Speaker 1: like this is All and the Nolan trilogy.
Speaker 2: It was always gonna be a trilogy.
Speaker 1: This one, I think because of the success of it,
Speaker 1: and it did pretty well. The first one didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like, hey, let's do a second one. But
Speaker 1: like and when you don't have that whole story board,
Speaker 1: that whole arc planned out, things get a little sloppy.
Speaker 3: But are you a Planet of the original Planet of
Speaker 3: the Apes guy, like.
Speaker 1: Charles Heston, Yeah, I mean I remember seeing it like
Speaker 1: forty years ago and it was okay.
Speaker 3: So there were five of them and they all tell
Speaker 3: one long story that the kind of wraps in on
Speaker 3: itself with time travel and whatnot. But you know, it
Speaker 3: does a whole story.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the five of them, like with Wahlberg
Speaker 1: and no, no, no, I'm talking five just with Heston,
Speaker 1: and you know the ones that come after that, but
Speaker 1: not with Wahlberg.
Speaker 3: But there's like five from that era, you know, Planet
Speaker 3: of the Apes, Beneath the Planet, Conquest for the Planet, battles,
Speaker 3: so and so forth. They tell one long story. But
Speaker 3: by the time you get the Planet of the Apes four,
Speaker 3: you watch them blow up a tree and then you
Speaker 3: watch them blow up that same tree fifteen times because
Speaker 3: they're trying to cut costs. And I know it was
Speaker 3: fifteen different explosions, Like there was an aspect growing up
Speaker 3: on eighties whrror you expect Friday the Thirteenth, Part seven
Speaker 3: to suck more than Friday the Thirteenth, Part one. When
Speaker 3: I go to see you Ready or Not? When I
Speaker 3: saw Megan two point zero, I fully expected that to
Speaker 3: be better than the first. I fully expected Ready or Not.
Speaker 3: And I'll be real with you, man, I was sitting
Speaker 3: there about sixty percent of the way through this one,
Speaker 3: and I was thinking to myself, I kind of wish
Speaker 3: we chose to see the other movie. That's basically the
Speaker 3: same plot. They're going to kill us or they want
Speaker 3: to kill us, whatever that movie is that's out right now,
Speaker 3: basically the same plot, but new characters, new actress, new
Speaker 3: new story, all that, Jazz.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, hold.
Speaker 1: On, hold on, that's that's an original one. That's not
Speaker 1: a sequel to something that's all.
Speaker 3: They want to kill us or whatever. Yeah, No, that's
Speaker 3: a whole, completely unique storyline. And I'm sitting there because
Speaker 3: I had that affinity for Ready or not because I
Speaker 3: liked it so much. I was like, no, we got
Speaker 3: to see ready or not too Whereas sixty percent of
Speaker 3: the way through, I'm like, ah, son of a gun, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, I didn't mean to see this. At what
Speaker 2: point did you kind of?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right after The best scene in the movie is
Speaker 3: the turnaround scene when Turnaround is playing the song and
Speaker 3: things are happening, We'll turn around playing. I'm like, ah,
Speaker 3: this is fun. This reminds me of the first one.
Speaker 3: And other than that, that was like the only time
Speaker 3: after that the movie sucked. The rest of the movie.
Speaker 3: After that, the movie sucked. But that scene gave me
Speaker 3: a little bit of hope. And when it got out
Speaker 3: of it and I saw the trajectory we were on,
Speaker 3: I was like, we should have just saw they want
Speaker 3: to kill us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was tough because you're you're balancing by the way,
Speaker 1: Megan mathriegan two point zero.
Speaker 2: That was also not a planned sequel, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That was Oh who saw this coming? Uh?
Speaker 3: Did you see the Nobody sequel sucked? Yeah? It was terrible.
Speaker 3: It was atrocious. I was like, I can't believe they
Speaker 3: made this. I'm like, actually I can, because no one expected.
Speaker 3: You watched the first one, Yeah, it was great, Okay,
Speaker 3: it was great. This is with Bob odenk I'm thinking
Speaker 3: of Yeah, and I've never seen an action movie like
Speaker 3: that where he beats the crap out of five people
Speaker 3: in the bus and then it immediately goes to like
Speaker 3: a very heartfelt and well acted scene between him and
Speaker 3: his life, Like you don't get this in action movies
Speaker 3: very often. This is a nice blend. Second one sucked,
Speaker 3: so I think you might be onto something here with
Speaker 3: the uh surprise hit. Let's double down.
Speaker 1: On because Hollywood wants something that's bankable. Yeah, something that's
Speaker 1: gonna make money. And by the way, didn't ready or
Speaker 1: not to make a lot of money.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I can find that out. I
Speaker 3: know our next feature, Hail Mary, has won the last
Speaker 3: two weeks in terms of box office, But that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that these guys didn't do anything. There was nobody
Speaker 3: in my theater I was watching. I think there might
Speaker 3: have been four or five people.
Speaker 1: Getting getting back to that film ready or not too
Speaker 1: It was difficult to be I think part of what
Speaker 1: made the first one so cool was the comedic aspects
Speaker 1: about it of it and you know, like for moments
Speaker 1: of levity.
Speaker 2: In this one.
Speaker 1: I think it was difficult to balance out the comedy
Speaker 1: and obviously like that when you have a musical montage
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was perfect.
Speaker 2: That was a total eclipse of the heart.
Speaker 1: I think is the name of the song, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: And yeah, Bonnie Tyler.
Speaker 2: I think it was Bonnie Tyler.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it's difficult to balance it off. When Sean Hatosi's character,
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name in the film. He was
Speaker 1: Sarah Michelle Geller's brother. Yeah, Titus Titus, Yeah, Titus dand forth.
Speaker 2: It was. It's when you have.
Speaker 1: A character as sadistic and carnal, is that guy, it's
Speaker 1: called the blend in comedy. Yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: thought that was not the greatest thing that this movie
Speaker 1: had going for him.
Speaker 3: Did you feel it was earned? Did you like? I
Speaker 3: felt like they kind of made him. I thought maybe
Speaker 3: that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Did you see Rampage with the Rock? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you remember in that film, I want to say
Speaker 1: it was Malin Ackerman and I can't remember the guy's name,
Speaker 1: but he was on the last season of the Office.
Speaker 1: They were the brother and sister that sort of headed
Speaker 1: up the lab.
Speaker 2: Sure, and they were they're the bad guys. You know.
Speaker 1: It was kind of weird because I think they they
Speaker 1: tried to play this guy as like sort of a
Speaker 1: doofy character, the brother in that movie. He was sort
Speaker 1: of like a doofy character most of the movie, but
Speaker 1: then like at the end, it was like more serious,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think this is how it was
Speaker 1: with this tightest guy, where he's just he's almost like
Speaker 1: a like, you know, this cartoonish, angry, jealous, spoiled son
Speaker 1: slash brother, and then you find out like this this
Speaker 1: is a deep personality thing with him where it goes
Speaker 1: much more than he.
Speaker 2: Hey, is just a dick. No, this guy is super sadistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2: And like it went from zero to sixty, like it's
Speaker 2: very very quick.
Speaker 3: Yes, like even a schlocky movie like Hostile too. It
Speaker 3: inverts the two characters because they have two people like
Speaker 3: ready to go and kill people at the Hostile one
Speaker 3: of them's gung ho and one of them's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I want to do this. By the
Speaker 3: end of the movie, they've inverted their rules. But it
Speaker 3: is a gradual process that you understand how they ended
Speaker 3: up getting there, and for Hostile Too to take the
Speaker 3: time to develop it, whereas here and maybe that's what
Speaker 3: they were going for. I'm like, Okay, so Sarah Michelle
Speaker 3: Geller is going to take this guy out at some
Speaker 3: point because he clearly has no idea.
Speaker 1: But I never really thought I mean, like it, just
Speaker 1: not to interrupt you, but I thought Sarah Michelle Geller's
Speaker 1: character is very similar to the one she played in
Speaker 1: Cruel Intentions.
Speaker 3: I said this, I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same where I think she's cunning
Speaker 1: and crafty and two steps ahead the whole time, and
Speaker 1: then we find out towards the end that was not
Speaker 1: what was going on with her at all, right, and
Speaker 1: in fact I kind of misjudged what kind of character
Speaker 1: she was. Now you could make the case that had
Speaker 1: things played out differently in this movie, maybe my first
Speaker 1: impression would have been correct.
Speaker 2: We won't know.
Speaker 1: But as much as you say, like it wasn't earned
Speaker 1: with Titus, for how is his character development like how
Speaker 1: it took place in the Snap of Fingers, Sarah Michelle
Speaker 1: Geller is kind of the same way. Yeah, where she
Speaker 1: was this one character the whole movie and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden towards the end, with this one conversation she's
Speaker 1: having with Tomorrow Weaving, It's like, oh, okay, Well, either
Speaker 1: this movie is not very well put together or I
Speaker 1: totally misread what was going on, right, And.
Speaker 3: I'll be real with you. So Samorrow Weaving's sister is
Speaker 3: played by Catherine Newton, who's the daughter in Quantumnia. She's
Speaker 3: in an handful of things, which I didn't figure that
Speaker 3: out un till after the movie. I'm like, what do
Speaker 3: I know? This vie from it was driving me nuts.
Speaker 3: I'll be okay, so it's not a spoiler if it's
Speaker 3: not what happened I spent the entire movie because she's
Speaker 3: gone for seven years. That's the whole point, which not
Speaker 3: to send too many tangents here, but this is like
Speaker 3: the fifth movie we've.
Speaker 2: Famara Weavings's character has been gone for seven years, is
Speaker 2: what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had been separated, the sisters, she went to college.
Speaker 3: They hadn't spoken for seven years, and this is like
Speaker 3: the third or fourth movie where that's like a main point.
Speaker 3: I know that was a point in Final Destination. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a thing that was yeah. I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a gen Z thing or what,
Speaker 3: but there is a recurring theme where younger siblings are
Speaker 3: mad when the older siblings go off to college. That's
Speaker 3: like not a thing.
Speaker 2: Gone a sixty seconds. I just watched that the other day.
Speaker 3: But so I'm watching the movie, I'm like, Okay, so
Speaker 3: this younger sister hasn't been in her life for seven years.
Speaker 3: Sarah Michelle Geller is behaving so weird. I thought they
Speaker 3: were in cahoots. I was like, there's something with the
Speaker 3: sister where nothing is. This isn't what it seems like.
Speaker 3: That was the way Sarah Michelle Goether because even at
Speaker 3: one point she says something and I'm blanking on it.
Speaker 3: But there was like a weird interaction between the four
Speaker 3: of them, the brother and sister and then the two sisters,
Speaker 3: and I was like, something's up with this, and I
Speaker 3: didn't know what it was, but I was like, there's
Speaker 3: going to be a really cool reveal at some point
Speaker 3: and none of that, none of that comes to fruition.
Speaker 3: But that's how ambiguous Sarah Michelle Skeeller's character was. Was.
Speaker 3: I was expecting these these big reveals about how she
Speaker 3: was two steps ahead and this mastermind concoction, because it
Speaker 3: didn't make sense that the sister was involved.
Speaker 1: You are at any point, you are on a whole
Speaker 1: different plane. Why but well, I mean an elevated plane
Speaker 1: with how you watch films. I mean it's like watching
Speaker 1: it with a detective. Well, I'm just I think I'm
Speaker 1: actively watching something and that's not even close.
Speaker 2: Compared to the thoughts that are going through your head.
Speaker 3: It tell me it wouldn't have been better if it
Speaker 3: turned out the sister had some kind of because like
Speaker 3: she made up. Oh, I don't want to get too
Speaker 3: much into because there's like reveals, so I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get too much into. But you find out you
Speaker 3: really don't know shit about it.
Speaker 2: These two. I'll say this. I'll say this.
Speaker 1: I think they incorporated the sister into this film because
Speaker 1: they incorporated so many more like families or stakeholders or whatever,
Speaker 1: that it just made sense to add sort of like
Speaker 1: another lead. You're going to a sequel, you have to
Speaker 1: make it bigger, more expansive, hopefully better. In this case,
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't. So I think that just makes sense
Speaker 1: that you bring in like two people into.
Speaker 3: This and it provides a nice you know, what's the
Speaker 3: word dichotomy? Like you see the whole theme is family, right,
Speaker 3: and you see the wealthy families kind of stabbing one
Speaker 3: another in the back in different ways, leaving one another
Speaker 3: out to dry, being angry for one reason. And then
Speaker 3: these two sisters who haven't spoken in seven years and
Speaker 3: have every reason to hate each other, find a way
Speaker 3: to work together and make sure that they cover each
Speaker 3: other's asses. I understand thematically why they wanted to go
Speaker 3: about it this way. In terms of story board wise,
Speaker 3: I don't understand why the sister was included in any
Speaker 3: kind of way. I don't know why they brought her
Speaker 3: in that they could have just grabbed her from the
Speaker 3: hospital in the first scene of the movie yea, and
Speaker 3: did the whole scene with just so like there's no
Speaker 3: justification behind it other than okay, so she's in on
Speaker 3: it somehow, Like that was my logic, like why is
Speaker 3: she here?
Speaker 2: Did you like?
Speaker 1: It took me a few scenes to realize it, but
Speaker 1: I realized that the creepy guy the law the lawyer
Speaker 1: was Elijah Wood or like that you didn't wait, what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was him. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because like I knew i'd seen him before
Speaker 1: I knew I recognized him.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: What is this guy's name?
Speaker 1: And then I don't know, something clicked in like the
Speaker 1: third scene or something, or I'm seeing like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Elijah Wood, you know, because I was not a
Speaker 1: hobbit guy like I didn't that was not you know,
Speaker 1: And what else has he benet?
Speaker 2: That's a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I was just going to say, Lord of
Speaker 3: the Ring.
Speaker 2: That will be North. Yeah, I remember that too, And
Speaker 2: he was in that. Forgot about that.
Speaker 1: He was in the Dirk Bentley or what was it
Speaker 1: called a Holistic a detective agency show that was on AMC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was that was that was out there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't even realize it was him. And
Speaker 1: and uh, but what did you make of him as
Speaker 1: far as his role and the way that they deployed
Speaker 1: him as a either existent or perhaps non existent plot
Speaker 1: device in this film?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. He was almost like
Speaker 3: a neutral, a little bit entity in it, which I
Speaker 3: found interesting. It's almost like, because that's the whole theme
Speaker 3: of both of these movies, and fundamentally seventy percent of
Speaker 3: the movies we end up seeing is the system is
Speaker 3: not your Friend is basically a lot of the theme
Speaker 3: of movies these days, and he kind of represents that
Speaker 3: he doesn't care who wins, who loses, who dies.
Speaker 2: Is very very swisses Swiss.
Speaker 3: It's just all I know is there are rules that
Speaker 3: need to be followed, and as long as those rules
Speaker 3: are followed, then I am content.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's another thing with the rules kind of. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand they're there for plot reasons, but it's just
Speaker 1: really janky, like hokey stuff that like, oh, you can
Speaker 1: do this, but nobody can do this, but they can
Speaker 1: do this, and there's a loop pillar here, but this
Speaker 1: could never Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they definitely added a ton of things like
Speaker 3: that in there, just.
Speaker 1: Made it more confusing. Yeah, I agree, But the first
Speaker 1: one was real simple. She lives till the dawn, everybody dies,
Speaker 1: everybody else dies unless you're Ben and you're thinking that
Speaker 1: might be a blowed up whoey. Yeah, this one, well, okay,
Speaker 1: so now there's this seat open on this council and
Speaker 1: oh but but it's not just a seat that could
Speaker 1: control everything.
Speaker 2: And oh that's the other thing I was going to
Speaker 2: point out to you Ben.
Speaker 1: The father, the actor who played the father of Sarah
Speaker 1: Michelle Geller and Seanatozi in this His name is, I
Speaker 1: want to say, and I'm probably gonna I might be
Speaker 1: misremembering it.
Speaker 2: I want to say, David Kroner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I saw as soon as he came up
Speaker 3: freaking video drone. So you so you know, you knew
Speaker 3: you he made some of my favorite movies. Okay, so
Speaker 3: he looks like and you're not. Did you watch the
Speaker 3: paper the spinoff of the Office. Now I'm familiar with it.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: So the guy who like owns the newspaper, I think
Speaker 1: his name is Marv. He looked just like this, this
Speaker 1: actor slash director you know in this in this scene,
Speaker 1: So immediately that's who I thought it was. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like reading about this, I'm like, oh, this was
Speaker 1: sort of an homage for everything.
Speaker 2: That that he's done in film over the years.
Speaker 1: And I was a little disappointed because well I was
Speaker 1: disappointed after the fact, but if I knew it going in,
Speaker 1: and maybe you were disappointed too, or maybe you should
Speaker 1: have been if you weren't the stuff that he was
Speaker 1: known for for, this sort of like body metamorphosis and
Speaker 1: like whatever, like that's what his films are known for.
Speaker 2: Do we see any of that?
Speaker 1: Which I thought that was gonna be coming, because because
Speaker 1: you have him in the movie, there's gonna be a tribute,
Speaker 1: you know, to his style of filmmaking, And then there
Speaker 1: never was. So I found that out after the fact.
Speaker 1: I was disappointed, But knowing who he was in it,
Speaker 1: were you disappointed at all that we didn't see any
Speaker 1: of then?
Speaker 3: Because there's like movies that he has done. He was
Speaker 3: revolutionary in the eighties, let alone today. Yeah, and like
Speaker 3: there was an element of excitement that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: what are they what are they going?
Speaker 2: He just recently worked on something.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was the director of it, but
Speaker 1: he was like a like a consultant or a producer
Speaker 1: on something that came out within the last ten years
Speaker 1: or so, something like that, like a well known film.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it was horror, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1: I think it was something else, like a drama or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, well, it doesn't if it was.
Speaker 2: If it was, are you on IMDb?
Speaker 3: I'm on the Google list there. But based on what
Speaker 3: I'm looking at here, a lot if it is from
Speaker 3: back in the day. If it if it did register, fine,
Speaker 3: he didn't find his name on there. But I mean,
Speaker 3: there's a half a dozen movies that I could rattle
Speaker 3: off that I thought he was. He does a phenomenal
Speaker 3: job with and they kind.
Speaker 2: Of Scanners was another one. Did you mention skinning?
Speaker 3: I didn't mention Scanners, but yeah, exactly existenz when you're
Speaker 3: inside the video game, Like, there were some good ones
Speaker 3: out there that I think would be uh worth checking out,
Speaker 3: much more so than this movie. His inclusion when I
Speaker 3: see stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Sorry, it was Cosmopolis, remember that, that's with he directed it, Okay,
Speaker 1: he produced and directed it. This was Pattens, Robert Pattinson,
Speaker 1: Paul Giamoni, Samantha Morton, Julia Pino's, Jay Barukele, Kevin durand
Speaker 1: who's actually in this film too.
Speaker 2: But I think that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh, That's what I'm saying when you see stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: The other one that because Mophlis was one, History of
Speaker 1: Violence was the other one. Yeah, that he was that
Speaker 1: he was, he directed it. He directed a History of
Speaker 1: Violence and that movie is so good and and well
Speaker 1: and the other thing I phoned out when I was
Speaker 1: reading about him. He's done a lot of stuff with
Speaker 1: Vigo Mortenson over the years, like they've worked together on
Speaker 1: several films.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that anyway, I got you're one of.
Speaker 2: The happened to Vigo Mortenson. I haven't seen him in a.
Speaker 3: Lot, And more importantly, you're one of the only other
Speaker 3: people it's ever mentioned history of violence to me?
Speaker 2: Was that Laura Lenny who is the Who's the No,
Speaker 2: it was the one from E R. It was the one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know her name.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was good. That was a good film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was pleasantly super The.
Speaker 1: Last thing I think Vigo Mortensen did was Green Book,
Speaker 1: right with Herschel As.
Speaker 3: Far as I'm aware, he went. You know, you know
Speaker 3: that Rob Redford kind of set the stage for like,
Speaker 3: once you hit a certain point, if you're a true artiste,
Speaker 3: then you kind of go into the world of movies
Speaker 3: that seventeen people will end up seeing. And so for
Speaker 3: all I know, he's done fifteen more movies that weren't
Speaker 3: in the in the mainstream. But who the heck knows.
Speaker 3: But I will say to take it back to the
Speaker 3: conversation about filling the seats and like, okay, so the
Speaker 3: seat's gone. It's a more common trope than you realize
Speaker 3: in these kind of movies, and I'm sure there's like
Speaker 3: some kind of greater meaning of like there always has
Speaker 3: to be someone being the you know, the the in
Speaker 3: the jerk role of society. There was there's a series
Speaker 3: of movies which I think has come to an end
Speaker 3: called Hulu After Dark never went to theaters. They were
Speaker 3: horror movies. They'd released once a month on Hulu, different director,
Speaker 3: different casts, different plots, but like you know, all under
Speaker 3: the same label, and it's going to do it justice
Speaker 3: because I don't remember the title of it, but there's
Speaker 3: one where the CEO and his wife essentially invite four
Speaker 3: of their employees and their spouses to a dinner and
Speaker 3: they put them in a position where they are in
Speaker 3: escalating situations where they're bigger and bigger jags to each
Speaker 3: other and other people in society, and it's all in
Speaker 3: the name of finding out who the next person like
Speaker 3: the CEO this cult of people oh that runs things
Speaker 3: and like you know this the whole time, and it's
Speaker 3: like who's going to be the CEO and be in
Speaker 3: this cult, and then the ending has a very fun
Speaker 3: plot twist on all of that.
Speaker 2: Which we'll never know because you can't remember the name
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: I'll get it before it's over. But I say all
Speaker 3: that to say, like there's this common trope of like
Speaker 3: even the most powerful people in the world, like they
Speaker 3: can go it's next man up, and they kind of
Speaker 3: you mentioned the Hobbit, you mentioned Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 3: and there's even element of that that those movies in
Speaker 3: this when you have that ultimate power. My whole show
Speaker 3: Outside the Bar is all about taxing these m efforts.
Speaker 3: If you all of a sudden gave me the magical
Speaker 3: Hobbit ring and told me, oh, you now have all
Speaker 3: of that, you still want to you want to tax
Speaker 3: these guys. You want to use this for good because
Speaker 3: realistically nothing can stop you at this point, So what
Speaker 3: would you like to do? And that's the whole point
Speaker 3: of The Lord of the Rings, And to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: they kind of flirt with that idea in.
Speaker 1: This a little bit, so like, well, that's like right
Speaker 1: out at that with Cronenberg in that first scene where
Speaker 1: he's watching all these.
Speaker 3: Well, that was the best part of the movie. I think, really, Yeah,
Speaker 3: better than totally Okay, Yeah, that was the best line
Speaker 3: of the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh issue the ceasefire. Yeah, because there's.
Speaker 3: So much conflict in the world right now, and you
Speaker 3: watch him in like literally seconds after he says it,
Speaker 3: it's on the news, and I'm like, uh, that's so good.
Speaker 1: So, like, I mean, I don't think I'm spoiling anything here.
Speaker 1: What was the what was the reasoning? So so obviously
Speaker 1: what the name of the family.
Speaker 2: Don't it reminds me of dumbass? Do so?
Speaker 3: Was that design that they were because they lean into
Speaker 3: it more in the first one they kind of gloss
Speaker 3: over it, but I had forgotten that that was their
Speaker 3: last time. I did not rewatch the first one in preparation.
Speaker 3: I've just seen it enough times. I know it well
Speaker 3: enough that because I really did enjoy it. But they
Speaker 3: lean into it much more and they're like, I don't
Speaker 3: even know if they pronounced the s it's like the
Speaker 3: Saint Dumas. Yeah, like you know what I mean, and
Speaker 3: you know what they're going on.
Speaker 1: So okay, break this down for me, and I'm literally
Speaker 1: going to find this out from you. Hopefully they were
Speaker 1: the only family that had this blessing from Satan the
Speaker 1: demas right, they were the only one.
Speaker 3: Oh see that wasn't my interpreter.
Speaker 2: And tell me what's your interpretation? Now?
Speaker 3: This is interesting? So my interpretation was, there's just a
Speaker 3: handful of families. They clearly do some messed up things
Speaker 3: in order to find themselves in favor.
Speaker 1: Because there's so you thought all the families in this
Speaker 1: film were blessed by Satan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because okay, A people were exploding before like the
Speaker 3: game realistically even started. And b One of the themes,
Speaker 3: which is a theme from the first movie as well,
Speaker 3: is you have to use weapons from the era in
Speaker 3: which your family got their friction. And I assume the
Speaker 3: fortune goes hand in hand with the blessing of Satan.
Speaker 3: Otherwise you don't end up in that boat.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so I understand that. Then what are they
Speaker 1: fighting for? What are all these families fighting for? If
Speaker 1: they all have these huge riches and fortunes.
Speaker 3: Why do running backs hold out for higher contracts when
Speaker 3: they're already making eight million dollars to play a game?
Speaker 2: Okay, if that's the case, what are they holding out for?
Speaker 1: What's what's the what's the bigger? They have to be
Speaker 1: holding out for something.
Speaker 3: More I assume it's the complete control. But then why
Speaker 3: did the Crohenberg have it?
Speaker 1: And no, exactly, So that's that's where my mind let Okay,
Speaker 1: so they want to be the one that's in.
Speaker 2: Charge of the world. Why did why did Cronenberg's character
Speaker 2: get give its ruined?
Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right, doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: There's good There's got to be something we're missing.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's stupid because you're exactly right, because
Speaker 3: they say the death of the family in the first
Speaker 3: one is the reason why the seat's vacant, And yes,
Speaker 3: there is a vacant seat, but it wasn't a head seat, right,
Speaker 3: So unless any family dying means you know, what's that
Speaker 3: game twenty one where you throw the football up in
Speaker 3: the air and whoever catches the football? I don't know,
Speaker 3: but they don't say that in the plot. I'm literally
Speaker 3: just spitballing that with the.
Speaker 1: Tightest dand Forth says in this movie this this is
Speaker 1: is rightfully ours and they end up posting like this
Speaker 1: game at their place. Yeah, So was it a case
Speaker 1: of like he didn't It couldn't be like he didn't
Speaker 1: want his own kids to have that power, right, because
Speaker 1: He's still essentially they still.
Speaker 2: Had the chance to win that power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: That's no, that's so dumb. You're exactly right, they don't.
Speaker 2: It's can't be dumb. There's there's something we're missing here.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, man, how did neither one of
Speaker 3: us notice it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Because that's well, I kind of was thinking it, but
Speaker 1: I was like normally when I see stuff like this,
Speaker 1: I just I know. I'm like, well, Bene either Better
Speaker 1: or Wikipedia. Like somebody on the interview, I didn't have it,
Speaker 1: did you Look? Nothing was explained in there that Well,
Speaker 1: I got to load it up here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you there's nothing wrong with his logic.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: I see a glaring hole in why this happened? Again,
Speaker 3: you could explain it away with two lines of dialogue. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 3: we someone failed at their game, which means we have
Speaker 3: to start all this over. It's like Cabin in the Woods, right, Like,
Speaker 3: you gotta kill the people in this order, and if
Speaker 3: you don't, bad things happen. And we have four different
Speaker 3: people all trying to accomplish that at the same time.
Speaker 3: Freaking You could knock that out very quickly. But there
Speaker 3: is no descriptor as to why it shakes out the
Speaker 3: way that it does. Why did that family have the ring?
Speaker 3: Why did they have to give it up?
Speaker 1: Okay, so so he kind of Okay, Chester is Cronenberg's character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he lets them sort of he lets his kids like
Speaker 1: sort of do whatever. But they had to do it
Speaker 1: at the same time so they can enter the game
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 2: That was another big thing.
Speaker 3: No, I thought they only entered at the same time
Speaker 3: because they're twins, so technically neither one of them is older,
Speaker 3: so I think it was the oldest one. That was
Speaker 3: my interpretation of that. I don't understand why they why
Speaker 3: they had to, you know, do what they had to
Speaker 3: do to get into the game, because it's like, well,
Speaker 3: based on the way these rules work, because there's fifty
Speaker 3: seven rules, it's a delineation. So he could have taken
Speaker 3: his shots, although I assume he probably just couldn't stand up,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know if he's not in the movie
Speaker 3: for particularly long. I'll allow you guys listening at home
Speaker 3: to figure out why that is.
Speaker 1: The lawyer explains the new situation due to Grace's victory
Speaker 1: at the Lidomas Hide and Seek game, the four remaining
Speaker 1: families must kill her before dawn to acquire the high seat,
Speaker 1: and a ring with seemingly infinite worldwide power will be
Speaker 1: provided to the winner.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I guess it's just a fail safe to
Speaker 3: make sure that everybody shows up. But like, while, if
Speaker 3: you want to do loopholes, so let's do loopholes. Okay,
Speaker 3: the Dumas is in the first movie, straight up, don't
Speaker 3: fall of the rules, Like they're told you cannot use
Speaker 3: the technology that existed didn't exist, and they start using
Speaker 3: their cameras. And then meanwhile, in this one, the second
Speaker 3: you think about breaking the rules, you immediately die, and
Speaker 3: so what the fuck?
Speaker 1: The other thing too with with this is let's let
Speaker 1: let's just assume that Grace the Bride is killed off
Speaker 1: Ben in the first one, Okay, why why is that
Speaker 1: high card that high seat high card?
Speaker 2: Why is that high seat then not available?
Speaker 3: Because the system worked? Like you just you, you carry
Speaker 3: on as usual, and I like, I don't know, like
Speaker 3: that's the best I got, But I mean, clearly there's
Speaker 3: a sister.
Speaker 1: Chester was going Chester dan Forth was going to die.
Speaker 1: I mean it seemed like he was. Yeah, he's pretty
Speaker 1: close for sure, so then what happened if you would
Speaker 1: have died.
Speaker 3: I guess one of the kids just inherited. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Like, there's there was not a lot of
Speaker 3: thought put in this. Again, I think you hit the nail.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's too much thought.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you put too much thought in it, and you
Speaker 1: had all these cooks in the kitchen and it spoils
Speaker 1: the dinner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 3: This was an unexpected seat, it.
Speaker 2: Was too Okay. I've used this analogy before. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: use it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the companies I work for a fantasy football company.
Speaker 1: When we try to come up with new games, we
Speaker 1: try to come up with things that we think people
Speaker 1: might play. For me, the biggest thing and for us,
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is simplicity, easy to understand,
Speaker 1: easy to follow, not confusing. Here's what it is. You
Speaker 1: can explain it two sentences and that's it. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: think some of these movies would be better off following
Speaker 1: that strategy, having this like you know, and like I
Speaker 1: feel like not to toot our own horns. I feel
Speaker 1: like we're we're not I think we're pretty well adjusted
Speaker 1: veteran filmgoers film watchers. What does that say for the
Speaker 1: majority of the people who are not, who are just
Speaker 1: average Joe blow, Hey, let's check out this ready or
Speaker 1: not too movies? Yeah, how is that even enjoyable?
Speaker 2: See?
Speaker 3: I think they think less than we do. Not to
Speaker 3: be a jerk, but I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: just go and people who aren't making it a weekly
Speaker 3: occurrence to make sure they see a new movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's right there, fair enough.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then why put in all this
Speaker 1: extraneous stuff if the people who you know are gonna
Speaker 1: enjoy it regardless, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know who the movie was for. And you asked,
Speaker 3: you pointed this out.
Speaker 2: It was for the people who liked the first one.
Speaker 2: That's what I'd argue.
Speaker 3: It isn't because I loved the first one and I
Speaker 3: was like this, this wasn't it, Like you guys missed
Speaker 3: with this, And yes, all the same pieces are there,
Speaker 3: and yes you should, it should by all accounts. And
Speaker 3: this was better than Undertone, and I'd even say it
Speaker 3: was probably better than Mathrieguan two point zero, but it
Speaker 3: was it was not. It was not good. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: because in my opinion, Ready or not was probably a
Speaker 3: higher starting point in my opinion. But it's just I said.
Speaker 2: It blood was bloodlines better destination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was, Yeah, it was. It was. I'd
Speaker 3: argue it was much better. Okay, Yeah, maybe it's because
Speaker 3: there was a longer lull in that and it was
Speaker 3: kind of telling its own story. And again, that's kind
Speaker 3: of what I was getting at, is I think you
Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head with Mathriagan, with this
Speaker 3: with nobody. Those were smash hits. Let's take two years
Speaker 3: and do another match, squeeze some more, and we'll figure
Speaker 3: it out, right, I mean, realistically, before Disney got involved
Speaker 3: with Marvel, that was kind of what they were doing.
Speaker 3: Like they wreckconned the cube being an Infinity stone and
Speaker 3: all these different things happening because like a lot of
Speaker 3: stuff didn't make sense, and it's like, we'll just figure
Speaker 3: it out. And then they once they realized they had
Speaker 3: a multi billion dollar operation going, they're like, Okay, let's
Speaker 3: let's lay this out here in a way that we
Speaker 3: know we're not.
Speaker 2: Going to h He wasn't always in charge, no, he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like there was a time when there were
Speaker 3: a bunch of disparate hands all just kind of telling
Speaker 3: a story together and like it was fine, it worked,
Speaker 3: but it became what it was when they found that
Speaker 3: through line. This movie I think suffers from we need
Speaker 3: a reason for this to continue.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's play.
Speaker 1: Let's look at this when the producer side of it
Speaker 1: and the screenwriters, actors or whatever. If you have a success,
Speaker 1: which you did with ready or not, immediately talks you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got to make a sequel because this is super successful.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: Did we stumble on like this giant gusher of an
Speaker 1: oil reserve. We don't know unless we make the sequel.
Speaker 1: And then if you make the sequel, then I would
Speaker 1: contend that if it is successful, a third one will
Speaker 1: be made. And now you're in franchise territory. Now you
Speaker 1: have made it. I don't think you have to make
Speaker 1: a third successful film to keep making films, right, ye,
Speaker 1: Like once you once you do two of them that
Speaker 1: are big hits, the key is unlocked.
Speaker 2: And and so.
Speaker 1: If I'm a producer, if I'm a director, if I'm
Speaker 1: a screenwriter, if I'm one of the stars, I want
Speaker 1: to have that possibility unlocked for me and I'll never
Speaker 1: know us I come up with something, maybe it sucks,
Speaker 1: maybe nobody sees it, and then and then we move on.
Speaker 1: But at least we have to take the shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they took the shot.
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody involved in this movie is
Speaker 3: going to see their career take a hit or anything.
Speaker 3: So I thought the performances were fine. This was not.
Speaker 3: I am harder on this movie only because I enjoyed
Speaker 3: the first one as much as I did. This one
Speaker 3: just kind of felt redundant. It felt like a nineties sequel.
Speaker 3: It felt like, let's just do the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and a little bit worse with no new ideas, but
Speaker 3: a lot of the familiar points are going to be there.
Speaker 2: And uh, well there was some new ideas. It just
Speaker 2: wasn't really they get.
Speaker 1: I'm all for suspending disbelief, but this was yeah, and
Speaker 1: just too. I mean that whole I mean the scene
Speaker 1: at the end. I'm not going to reveal what was
Speaker 1: going on with the ceremony scene. Yeah, I'm like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: give me a break.
Speaker 3: It was dumb. It was absolutely dumb.
Speaker 1: And then you had that one guy who kind of
Speaker 1: like he was one of the families that he he
Speaker 1: kind of didn't want to be involved, and then you
Speaker 1: had like comic relief for him in the midst of
Speaker 1: this very serious.
Speaker 3: Which if I were in this game, I would absolutely
Speaker 3: be the Middle Eastern billionaires something come out just bumping
Speaker 3: wrap beats, like clearly not really caring, just here to party. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm not here to make life miserable. I'm just trying
Speaker 3: to enjoy mine, right, Unfortunate that I'm in this position,
Speaker 3: Like there were characters that were very interesting, and by
Speaker 3: the way, the movie broke even a box office to
Speaker 3: budget to twenty three million at the box office twenty
Speaker 3: million to make it, so technically a failure in the
Speaker 3: eyes of Hollywood, but in terms of if you and
Speaker 3: I put twenty million dollars into something that made twenty
Speaker 3: three and'd be like, well that was a really successful number. Yea,
Speaker 3: So it depends.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I looked at the Wikipedia
Speaker 2: entry and there is no sequel section on.
Speaker 3: This for a third one one. Yeah, I mean, let's
Speaker 3: just say there is a possibility for it based on
Speaker 3: who lives and who dies. But whether or not that
Speaker 3: that happens, I doubt it. I don't think there's gonna
Speaker 3: too much of an appetite for a third one. By
Speaker 3: the way, the Hulu After Dark movie is a nasty
Speaker 3: piece of work.
Speaker 2: That's what it's called.
Speaker 3: A nasty piece of fun fact that actually there was
Speaker 3: twenty four of them, and I found a list that
Speaker 3: was ranking every Hulu After Dark movie and this was
Speaker 3: the best one.
Speaker 2: Oh really, how about that?
Speaker 3: But what's funny is it actually was one of my favorites.
Speaker 3: But my absolute favorite was right did you see all
Speaker 3: of them? Just about? Yeah? My absolute favorite was ranked
Speaker 3: twenty three out of twenty four, So what do I know?
Speaker 3: But this one was right number one. But a nasty
Speaker 3: piece of work if you guys want to see an
Speaker 3: interesting take on the same plot, not nearly as graphic.
Speaker 2: The cast.
Speaker 1: I always like to talk about the cast, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I think the casting in this one, while with respect
Speaker 1: to Adam Brody, Andy McDowell, Henry Cherney in the first one,
Speaker 1: Kevin durand Sarah Michelle Geller, Sean Atosi, Nester Carbonell, who
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about in a second, Catherine Newton.
Speaker 2: Oh I forget.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Yes, yeah, you've hit all the names of relevance. Okay,
Speaker 3: no offense to anyone else.
Speaker 1: So, Nestor Carbonel, I want to talk about him for
Speaker 1: a second. That dude was You didn't watch Lost, right, No,
Speaker 1: So he played a character on Lost where he doesn't
Speaker 1: age because of the island there, there's a there's some
Speaker 1: power it has in him and he doesn't age. So
Speaker 1: he's on this island like thousands, like thousands of years
Speaker 1: and he looks the exact same. He looks good, doesn't
Speaker 1: He was in the Dark Knights as the mayor, and
Speaker 1: I see him in this movie.
Speaker 2: Dude might be possessed by that power in real life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks the same now as he did thirty
Speaker 1: years ago. People always say with Paul Rudd he doesn't
Speaker 1: age a yeah, he does. You can tell, don't don't
Speaker 1: give me this, this is whoy that he's not aging.
Speaker 1: He looks good for his age, but you can tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you know, Nestor Carbonel, I don't see.
Speaker 2: Any aging with that. That guy may have made a
Speaker 2: deal with label as it were.
Speaker 3: And did you notice like it was a quasi I
Speaker 3: don't want to say passive aggressive because obviously the script
Speaker 3: was written and she okay in it, but like there's
Speaker 3: always a fine line in how you say these kind
Speaker 3: of things. But let's just say I remember the Buffy
Speaker 3: the Vampire Slayer TV show, and I remember I know
Speaker 3: what you did last summer in Cruel Intentions, and there
Speaker 3: was a long gap of no Sarah Michelle Geller. And
Speaker 3: now she's kind of re emerging, which is great for her.
Speaker 3: And there's a line in the.
Speaker 2: Movie is she re emerging? I mean, what else is
Speaker 2: she do?
Speaker 3: She was in the U, I know she did last summer, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: She's kind of been popping around here and there. But
Speaker 3: there's a line in the movie where I don't remember
Speaker 3: who she bumps into and he looks at it goes,
Speaker 3: you have an age today, And I was like, is
Speaker 3: that was that a was that a joke or was that?
Speaker 3: Because like it it resonated with me because I'm like,
Speaker 3: she looks again, it's thirty years since the projects that
Speaker 3: I'm talking.
Speaker 1: She has aged incredibly well. Yes, she does not look
Speaker 1: like she.
Speaker 2: She tell that.
Speaker 1: I would contend that she may look like she might
Speaker 1: have had some some lifting done.
Speaker 2: Yeah to her face. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: And Hollywood's a bastard. And I understand that, Like I
Speaker 3: get all those things.
Speaker 1: I always thought she kind of not that she left
Speaker 1: the industry, but that you know, she married Freddy Prince
Speaker 1: Junior and I think they had several kids together. I
Speaker 1: just always thought she was raising these kids and she
Speaker 1: wasn't working.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And I mean also she was in an
Speaker 3: era where you did age out, like that was a
Speaker 3: thing that happened and people would disappear and then you know,
Speaker 3: come and now they can make their comebacks because we're
Speaker 3: more enlightened people.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's more enlightened I think it's a
Speaker 1: nostalgia aspect of it. You know, where we we crave,
Speaker 1: you know, like what our lives were thirty years.
Speaker 3: Ago with it maybe to a certain you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like like our teenage years and our early twenties
Speaker 1: when the world was our oyster, everything was in front
Speaker 1: of us. And Sarah Michelle Keeller is kind of a
Speaker 1: reminder of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, were you a Buffy guy at all?
Speaker 2: No? I was not. I did not. I probably should
Speaker 2: have watched that show.
Speaker 3: But I mean I was like ten, But I mean
Speaker 3: it was horror. There was like was I scary elements
Speaker 3: to a child and I was like this is great.
Speaker 2: Well, there was that there was there was Charmed, right,
Speaker 2: those were like the two like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Supernatural, Charmed. Though I watched Buffy.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who watched it quite a bit.
Speaker 1: I was and like, I'll fully admit this, like the
Speaker 1: only WB because those are basically soap operas.
Speaker 2: They're like four or soap.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only like primetime soap I watched on w B
Speaker 2: was Dawson's Creek of.
Speaker 3: Course, never missed that. Never watched that one actually, but uh,
Speaker 3: Dawson's Creek. Yeah, never because again there's like that slight
Speaker 3: gap between you and I, and there wasn't enough to
Speaker 3: keep me interested at that age.
Speaker 1: You know. Honestly, the only reason I watched it was
Speaker 1: because of the Mighty Ducks and Joshua Jackson Mighty.
Speaker 2: Dos and I'm like, oh, he's in this. I gotta
Speaker 2: check this out.
Speaker 3: And like.
Speaker 1: Like watching the first episode and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: not you know what I I mean, I should have
Speaker 1: realized what it was. But then he's like sleeping with
Speaker 1: his teacher in like the pilot or the second episode.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta keep watching now, let's see what's
Speaker 1: what what happens here?
Speaker 2: And I ended up really liking.
Speaker 3: You know, what's funny is Buffy was such an integral
Speaker 3: part of my childhood that aliceon Hannigan was Michelle in
Speaker 3: the American Pie movies and she was I forget her name,
Speaker 3: but I watched all of How I Met Your Mother
Speaker 3: and she's one of the leads in that, and she
Speaker 3: will always when I see him, like, oh, Willows in
Speaker 3: the Problem because it's Willow from Like I don't remember
Speaker 3: her name in that every episode.
Speaker 1: You know, what's funny is like when Buffy the Vampire
Speaker 1: Slayer came out, I was like, oh, this is just
Speaker 1: me some cheap, schlocky television.
Speaker 3: Sure it was.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was I'm telling you this this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this's be a cheap rip off of
Speaker 1: the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie with Christy Swanson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And ultimately what happened. The TV show became way bigger
Speaker 1: than the movie ever was. And now you think of
Speaker 1: the Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it's the television show and
Speaker 1: then like and then you hear like, oh they made
Speaker 1: a movie about that, Sarah Michelle go, No, the movie
Speaker 1: came out way before the TV.
Speaker 2: Show Wilde Wild how that works?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the movie was I mean again haven't seen it
Speaker 3: since I was a kid, But I did enjoy the
Speaker 3: movie as well. Like, I just thought that was that
Speaker 3: was a cool uh, it was a cool scenario. And
Speaker 3: again it just uh there was it was. It was
Speaker 3: just the perfect time for me. But I mean I
Speaker 3: say all that to say I have a spot near
Speaker 3: and deer in my heart for Sarah Michelle Taller because
Speaker 3: I did enjoy that series.
Speaker 2: You know J. S.
Speaker 3: Whedon, right, Yes, it was yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Know the list I talk about, Yeah, but my rotating
Speaker 1: potential future wives on it.
Speaker 2: She was always top ten.
Speaker 1: She might have snuck into the top five a couple
Speaker 1: of times, but yeah, I don't know. Man like, and
Speaker 1: then she did Cruel Intentions, which was great. It was
Speaker 1: an awesome her character is great. But then I was like,
Speaker 1: ah god, I'm kind of turned off to her a
Speaker 1: little bit. She lost a little bit of.
Speaker 2: All Americas even more attractive to Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3: I saw Cool Intentions too, And then I saw the
Speaker 3: Cruel Intentions prequel, and like you would think.
Speaker 1: I think it was was Cool Intentions three a prequel Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Amy Adams was in one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be honest, with you. None of
Speaker 3: them sucked. None of them were as good as the
Speaker 3: first one. Yeah, but none of them sucked. The first
Speaker 3: movies should suck, yeah, like the second.
Speaker 1: And that was that was sort of like like Reese
Speaker 1: Witherspoon like that. This is when she was like the
Speaker 1: wholesome yeah you know it girl. She did Fear, which
Speaker 1: was tremendous yep, and then she I think cruel Intentions
Speaker 1: came out after Fear, right, yeah, and and so so
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I say Fear the first thing
Speaker 1: I think of his roller coaster, you know, with that one,
Speaker 1: like it burned into my mind. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and then she was kind of like competing like his
Speaker 1: female leads and Sarah Michelle Geller and and Reese Withersmon
Speaker 1: competing female leads and cruel intentions, which is weird because
Speaker 1: Ryan Philippi was in there, and wasn't he married to
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon for a while.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what happened to his career.
Speaker 3: Well, he's the worst actor ever, so I imagine he
Speaker 3: faded off the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: I guess you ever see the Way of the Gun,
Speaker 1: The Way the Gun all Benicio del Toro. James Kahn
Speaker 1: is in it, dude, Well, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: your cup of tea, but it's it's Julie, Julie What's
Speaker 1: what's her name from? From Dust Hill Dawn?
Speaker 3: Oh, Julian Juliet Moore, Juliet Juliet lewis.
Speaker 2: Right, she's in it as well.
Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, it's a good it's like a
Speaker 1: heist kind of caper movie, and Philippy kind of plays
Speaker 1: this like browie.
Speaker 2: Bad guy, So it's it's.
Speaker 3: Is there like a big time plot twist at the
Speaker 3: end of that movie of some kind? I've seen a
Speaker 3: movie I don't think it's involved. Oh, Jason Statham's in it.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about that one.
Speaker 1: But he like where his acting chops aren't really you know,
Speaker 1: they're not required a whole lot.
Speaker 3: So it's just he He never did it for me.
Speaker 3: He's in some movies that I like, but he personally Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and like he was in he I think he
Speaker 1: did that was a Network with Tim Robbins, which I
Speaker 1: thought was all right. But outside of that, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of like good movies he was in. He
Speaker 1: was in MacGruber for God's sake, you know, like when
Speaker 1: you know, oh it's bad when you are a serious
Speaker 1: actor of Ryan Philippi's ilk and you're doing blank and mcgruber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And to take it back to Fear really quickly, because
Speaker 3: the only thing I remember from that, and it's because
Speaker 3: of always Sonny when he's punching himself, because they redo.
Speaker 2: That was good. Wahlberg was great and that yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: he was. That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should just be reviewing nineties movies because any
Speaker 3: one of these movies were saying is better than Ready
Speaker 3: or not too?
Speaker 2: Ah, Yeah, we haven't. We've been stumbled on one that
Speaker 2: was that was that was not as good as it so.
Speaker 3: And you could call that nostalgia, you could call it
Speaker 3: be younger and less cynical. But I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 3: like I said, it reminds me of a nineties sequel.
Speaker 3: But even the sequel to Cruel Intentions was better than
Speaker 3: the sequel too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean relative to what it was, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying like there's more production value here, it's
Speaker 3: not as dated.
Speaker 2: But who's in the second who's in the sequel?
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody. Okay, I I don't remember, but.
Speaker 2: There is one guy I think it was in the
Speaker 2: third one.
Speaker 1: He was in he guessed on guest it on Dawson's
Speaker 1: Creek for like a six episode arc or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, anyway, I've I'm.
Speaker 3: Done, I've expired on.
Speaker 2: How long did we make it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's a pretty standard. Uh, we're what fifty minutes,
Speaker 3: but we kind of pissed around a little bit at
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 2: We did a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, listen this, I don't think that
Speaker 1: when we look back and if you were listening to this,
Speaker 1: and you know, after you saw the movie, I think
Speaker 1: your expectations are probably meant of what kind of podcast
Speaker 1: this was going to be.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot to break down, get who lost
Speaker 1: piece this movie? There's one thing you take away from
Speaker 1: this podcast, watch a nasty piece of work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I promise it'll be much more enjoyable than especially
Speaker 3: if you liked the first one.
Speaker 1: I will say, just as far as acting performances go, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: Weaving was pretty good again in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, she's good.
Speaker 1: And everything Catherine Newton I thought was solid. Yeah, outside of.
Speaker 3: That, you want to laugh. I'm on mashable dot com.
Speaker 3: That's where I got the list of Hulu movies. And
Speaker 3: for every one of the Hulu movies, it says for
Speaker 3: fans good for fans of and it lists movies in
Speaker 3: the first one that's listed on this is Ready or Not.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, for good for fans of Colon, And
Speaker 3: then it lists and yeah, but what movie a nasty
Speaker 3: piece of work?
Speaker 1: Is good if you're a fan of Readier? Yes, or
Speaker 1: Ready or Not? How about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And also your next, which is obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of the inspiration of this movie. What's your next?
Speaker 3: Also instead of Ready or Not? Too realistically, either one
Speaker 3: of those would be better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say this, like, like you all the
Speaker 1: best bits and the best tropes from the Ready or
Speaker 1: Not idea is they're all in.
Speaker 2: The first one.
Speaker 1: There's like, yes, like you said, like, there's these generic
Speaker 1: not generic, there's these manufactured tropes in the second one
Speaker 1: that just don't hit the same way, so you don't
Speaker 1: need to bother.
Speaker 3: The only one, just to end on a positive note,
Speaker 3: is they still do a good job of making the
Speaker 3: wealthy people getting their hands dirty look inept. There are
Speaker 3: very funny moments in this that stem from these people
Speaker 3: don't do their own stuff. Yeah, so like they do
Speaker 3: a good job of that in the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they did a good job with it here.
Speaker 1: If you like the comedy in the first one, I
Speaker 1: don't think you'll be let down in the second one
Speaker 1: from a comedic standpoint, like there was there was some
Speaker 1: moments that well we brought up the one montage that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that by far, and even the lead up
Speaker 3: into it the rocket launcher, Like there's so many moments
Speaker 3: that I'm like, this is the best scene, like it
Speaker 3: is by far?
Speaker 1: Did you see that that thing coming with the rocket
Speaker 1: launch I was, I was like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is gonna yea oh it.
Speaker 3: Was so good. Yeah. But I mean, realistically, I would say,
Speaker 3: just because I know I gave Mathriagan two point zero five,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go five point five because this was better
Speaker 3: than Mathreegan, so that I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what I gave with threegan, but it had
Speaker 2: to be low.
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I feel like we were both in
Speaker 3: the I was gonna give one of three and a half.
Speaker 3: Oh really you think this was as good as freaking undertone?
Speaker 2: What did I give Undertone.
Speaker 3: I feel like we were in the three three and
Speaker 3: a half range.
Speaker 2: So I'll go four and a half.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: If I gave Undertone a three and a half, i
Speaker 2: gotta go higher.
Speaker 3: I have not stopped complaining about that movie to people,
Speaker 3: like since last week.
Speaker 1: I just think it's a matter of like expectations going in,
Speaker 1: Like if we knew it was a half million dollar budget,
Speaker 1: we would have been like it would have been, it
Speaker 1: would have been much more palatable.
Speaker 3: I suppose I have almost a higher threshold for that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, well, these guys are really going
Speaker 3: to give it to me. But like we've been, we've
Speaker 3: been missing. I'll eventually I will see they want to
Speaker 3: kill us, like probably when it's streaming somewhere. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I'll just randomly bring it up on this podcast to
Speaker 3: be like, just so you know, we did mess up,
Speaker 3: because I have a feeling. I just someone at the
Speaker 3: movie theater. I'm walking out. I'm just rambling at this one.
Speaker 3: But I'm walking out and they look at me and
Speaker 3: they say, oh, I didn't see ready or not too
Speaker 3: I did they want to kill us? I'm like we
Speaker 3: were back and forth between those they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: It's like what happens if Sam Ramie and Quentin Tarantina
Speaker 3: made a movie together. And I said that description actually
Speaker 3: makes me so angry. Didn't see this?
Speaker 2: Oh no, you didn't see that one. Yeah. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, really this is the sounds.
Speaker 3: Tremendous, I know, And I was like, no, I saw
Speaker 3: ready or not too and it was very milk toast,
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you, So maybe see that. Not an endorsement.
Speaker 3: Haven't seen it yet, but the people at the theater
Speaker 3: seem to be big fans of what that one was.
Speaker 3: And we may have missed and we're going into the
Speaker 3: realm of the one of the more bankable stars in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: and I really feel like we gota can't miss next week.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I was gonna ask you about that. So
Speaker 1: we're doing Project tail Mare. Yeah, okay, I really love
Speaker 1: this film just as a teaser for our next show.
Speaker 1: I really loved it. Uh stir Fry that I work with,
Speaker 1: who hates everything, he brought it up to me like
Speaker 1: I wasn't even talking about it and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: that was that movie was pretty good. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. So I'm excited to talk about
Speaker 1: that one with you, and then.
Speaker 2: That I got nothing, Okay, so then we have to
Speaker 2: I mean, we could talk this next week.
Speaker 1: But I think the only one on the hopper is
Speaker 1: Scream seven, which neither one of us has seen yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have to believe that'll be out of
Speaker 3: theaters by then.
Speaker 2: Okay, then we may have to come up with something else.
Speaker 1: But the next big one that comes out, and I
Speaker 1: just looked at wide releases, there could be some limited
Speaker 1: ones we could take a look at. Is the Super
Speaker 1: Mario Brothers Galaxy movie, which I really don't want to do. Yeah, perfect,
Speaker 1: because I was like, if Ben fights for it, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. But I really don't want That's not right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really fit in with what we do.
Speaker 3: So I saw the first one when it went on Netflix.
Speaker 3: I didn't go see it or anything like that. And
Speaker 3: I my friends who are gamers, they're talking like, what'd
Speaker 3: you think about it? And I was like, if I
Speaker 3: was a kid, forget about it. Yes, I was like,
Speaker 3: you will never convince me that there was a script
Speaker 3: to that movie. Just showed up every day like, okay,
Speaker 3: what are we going to say today? Jack Flack's over there,
Speaker 3: just jerking around with some music. They're like, oh, we're
Speaker 3: putting that in the movie, like you know, that's how
Speaker 3: that's how that movie came to be. And I have
Speaker 3: a feeling the sequel will probably be that as well,
Speaker 3: So we'll figure it out over the course of the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks. Here, the live action Mario Brothers
Speaker 3: movie was better than the cartoon.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Wow, strong words and on that note.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Guys. We'll be back next week
Speaker 3: with Project He'll Marry