WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.439 This is the first big problem exactly, Snack. I mean, 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:08.759 the accusation is that there are multiple schismatic Orthodox claiming churches. Uh. 3 00:00:08.919 --> 00:00:13.359 And yet the problem is that these schisms occurred in 4 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.599 his mind when it was a Roman Catholic Church. Right 5 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.480 in his mind, the first millennium of the church is 6 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:20.440 the Roman catholc Church. And so to cite these as 7 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.920 quote schisms of the Orthodox Church is utterly stupid. I 8 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.320 mean that that's like right away a totally bogus argument 9 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:28.519 on his own grounds. 10 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.799 Yeah. And the worst but he complains and even goes 11 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:34.840 into soli you know, which as yet is that every 12 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:38.600 schism is is based on pride, and every schism by 13 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:42.399 definition is bad. But here by blaming it on us 14 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.840 is causing a schism hundreds of years before before the 15 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:50.359 actual schism happens. Because you see, you see that everything 16 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.359 that that is good and in anti church, he would 17 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:56.079 claim for Rome or that it would it would claim, 18 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:57.600 you know a lot of things, a lot of good 19 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.679 things that happen in the West, you know, which was 20 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:01.759 the also at the time, you know, the United Church 21 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.920 to be specifically a Roman and everything that's bad that 22 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:09.439 happens in the East will be you know, specifically Orthodox, 23 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:12.599 which is already contradicting its church view because according to them, 24 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.680 we started popping into existence after a schism. But here 25 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.000 not only is the saying that we existed before, but 26 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:21.239 this is already splitting the church. So this is a 27 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.040 geographic understanding. It's very wrong because it's saying that Rome 28 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.319 was never a universal church. Is conflating the Catholic Church 29 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.159 and the undivided Church with the Roman patricket alone, which 30 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.799 is a huge problem. So here we already we already 31 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.120 see that this is a lack of knowledge of early 32 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:42.840 church history, especially the two thousand years. Yeah. 33 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:45.439 Yeah, And I want to point out too from a 34 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:50.000 logical perspective, which by the way, the Roman Catholic Church 35 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.439 is grounded in a classical foundational epistemology, not just in 36 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.200 their acceptance by Leo the thirteenth of the Tomistic system 37 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.280 of philosophy, but also at Vaticant one. You have the 38 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:03.159 acceptance of the normative way that you know religious claims 39 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.040 are true is through just going and investigating the evidence. 40 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.919 In fact, he's wrong when he says that the way 41 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:10.840 that you know the Romancolic Church is true is to 42 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:13.840 just not worry He literally says to not worry about 43 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.240 the objective evidence, because that's just going to turn into 44 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.439 people fighting with one another and throwing disputed documents back 45 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:22.000 and forth. You just pray about it, literally like a 46 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.199 Mormon level to your argument, like there's a burning in 47 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.199 my bosom when I prayed about it, and so I 48 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.960 knew that the issue was my own pride. Well, that 49 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.360 is not an argument. That is a subjective emotional appeal. 50 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.479 It's a form of emotional appeal, not a valid argument 51 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.639 for how we would know the papacy is true, and 52 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.719 in fact, the papacy itself. When it defines how we 53 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.879 know the papacy is true at the beginning of Vatican One, 54 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:44.919 it talks about the fact that you just go and 55 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:48.400 you investigate the history of religions and the history of 56 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.120 the institution of the papacy, and it will be manifest 57 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.479 to everybody who looks at the evidence that it's the true, historical, 58 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:59.680 continuous teacher of the faithful, and it's never erred in 59 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.800 all this stuff, all the claims of Vatican One. Right, 60 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.879 So he doesn't even use the Vatican One definition of 61 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.599 how we're supposed to know that the Roman Catholic Church 62 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.520 is the true church. He uses a subjective appeal, and 63 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:13.919 that's what really stuck out to me throughout this discussion 64 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.719 was that there was almost no theology in this. It 65 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:22.199 was all about problems in history, subjective emotional appeals, and 66 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:24.919 the ultimate claim, which we'll eventually get to, which is 67 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.240 just that it's a pragmatic thing. Bro. Look, we just 68 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.120 need a pope, come on, right, we just need the 69 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:31.199 pope and it'll solve the problems. But we're going to 70 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:35.039 see that their own stream everything Taylor Marshall is about 71 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:39.280 disproves that claim because he spends his whole ministry now 72 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:43.719 fighting against Frank as a trad Right, So Taylor Marshall's 73 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.120 on the trad trek which we've all many of us 74 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.360 have been on at some point. Right, Taylor Marshall's about 75 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:51.360 where I was at in about two thousand and three 76 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.840 or four, Right, I was just at the two thousand 77 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:55.319 and three is when I first started going to the 78 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:59.280 SSPX Latin mass and Marshall is edging towards this kind 79 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.800 of SSPI exposition, right, I mean he's not there yet, 80 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.919 you know. Whatever, He's he's putting himself as the face 81 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:12.960 of kind of the recognize and resist view on the papacy. 82 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:14.639 But we'll get to all that Vatican two stuff later. 83 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.680 I just want to point out that, uh, you know 84 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.560 this the way it started out, it just really started 85 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.560 sinking quick, and I really expected better from these guys 86 00:04:22.600 --> 00:04:24.879 are supposed to be representatives. But the metre fact that 87 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:27.360 they think Ericabara is the best Roman cathocha apologist. I 88 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:29.759 think it says a lot Ergabar has a play darift 89 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:30.439 and he's terrible. 90 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:37.199 Yeah, yeah, so yes, Actually it's extreme, starts to deconstruct 91 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.240 and dissolved itself quite quite quite fast, and it's starts 92 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:43.079 the beginning to start to contradict each other. So in 93 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.920 the same burd at thirteen minutes, when he experiences his background, 94 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.240 Sanders says that emotionalism is bad, and then he will 95 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:53.839 go on, you will go on saying, is that actually 96 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:59.920 the reason for his conversion is emotional which which is 97 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.879 even even contradictions set when he introduces it, like is 98 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:05.680 is you know. 99 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:09.279 A Yeah, so he begins by he begins by saying 100 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.759 that you've got to be consistent. Uh, well, the Orthodox 101 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:14.920 Church is full of contradictions. And then he turns around 102 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:18.600 and uses an emotional appeal and contradicts himself. So it's 103 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:19.680 it's back and forth. 104 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:19.879 Uh. 105 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:22.040 There's not a lot of consistency in this argumentation. But 106 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:27.199 let's move on to the next uh problem, which is 107 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:32.480 his next claim is the Orthodox Church is a whole 108 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:36.120 bunch of different churches. Again, that's not true. And by 109 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.000 the way, the the idiocy on their part in terms 110 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.399 of their own church I think was pretty amazing because 111 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.480 it's almost like they had no knowledge of uniotism right now. 112 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.199 I mean, Flanders knows about the Uniates and whatnot, but 113 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.839 Taylor Marshall seemed to be completely lost in this realm. 114 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.079 And the idea that there aren't national churches or national pride, 115 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.639 or that there's not national uh uh ism you could 116 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.160 say within the world room is laughable. And by the way, 117 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.160 they don't even know about all the problems within the 118 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:09.040 world of unionitism. How unionism has multiple contradictory claims. Unionism 119 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.879 many of the union its they don't accept Trent Uh. 120 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:16.199 They will revere people that for centuries were considered heretical 121 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.319 in the Roman Catholic Church. They revere people in their 122 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:22.199 liturgies that are officially heretical. And then as you pointed out, 123 00:06:22.199 --> 00:06:24.480 I did want to mention too, the point about Isaac, 124 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:26.480 this Syrian. Now, this is really one of the key 125 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.720 ways too, I think totally deconstruct their their stream was 126 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:35.519 the Taylor Marshall's ignorance on his own church comes to 127 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.240 the four when we look at Saint Isaac, the Syrian right, 128 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.480 people were he thought he got this gotcha on people right, 129 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:46.639 the Orthodox, except Saint Isaac as an historian, saint just 130 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:48.800 saying like he thought this was a big gotcha moment. 131 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:50.439 Why is that not a gotcha moment? 132 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:56.199 Yeah, it is a sopful. And what's great is the 133 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:58.720 Units is that you know, every single like you will 134 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.839 you will criticize the Actually that's probably why he doesn't 135 00:07:01.879 --> 00:07:04.199 want to criticize it. To mention this stream, but you know, 136 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:08.920 doctor Tayler Marshall will criticize or theology, he will criticize 137 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.399 you know, saints, you can even criticize all right, But 138 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.199 the problem is even though discipline, But the problem is 139 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:25.000 ultimately the units have the same saint as us, They 140 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.120 have the same rights as us, discipline as this. The 141 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:31.600 only difference is that they submit to the Pope. Yeah. 142 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.839 Actually in attacking in attacking us, on something else in 143 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.120 the papacy, he will actually attack his own church. 144 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:41.439 Attacking his church exactly. He doesn't realize his own church 145 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.879 has multiple confessions of faith and multiple contradictory claims about 146 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:47.519 whose saints are. So that was the first big gaff 147 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:51.160 that he made right away. But let's get back to Flanders. 148 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:56.879 So the other thing about the stream was that it 149 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.240 was full of the pot kettle, the part calling the 150 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:03.600 kettle black. Which, now, if we were to just exchange 151 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.199 like arguments based on problems in the church, that would 152 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.399 be one thing, generally speaking, because you can always say, oh, 153 00:08:08.399 --> 00:08:09.800 you got this problem, well, you got this problem, you 154 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.000 got that from. Let's keep in mind that the Romancolic 155 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.279 Church is a church built on a specific doctrine of 156 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.360 the papacy. That is the key foundational doctrine, and they 157 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.879 kind of stress that in their talk obviously, But it's 158 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.839 different when we talk out talk about problems related to 159 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.319 the magisterial claims of the papacy right and its contradictions. 160 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:34.639 That's different than just talking about moral problems in this 161 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:36.559 church versus moral problems in that church. Right, So we 162 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.279 could throw liberals back and forth all day, which ironically 163 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.559 they just cite a couple of liberal theologians from the 164 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.360 from the Orthodox sphere, and they act like that's the 165 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.080 voice of all of all Orthodoxy. Right, do we do that? 166 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:47.200 No? 167 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.399 If I could sit here and en list James Martin 168 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:51.320 quotes all day long and be like, oh, bro, we 169 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:53.759 got you, but he is not. Does he represent the 170 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.360 entirety of the novis ordo or traditional Catholicism. No. Right, 171 00:08:57.399 --> 00:09:01.200 to be fair, he does not. But it does totally 172 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:04.360 undermine the House of Card falls. System falls apart when 173 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.720 we look at the magisterial and dogmatic statements of the popes. 174 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:10.200 That's the key here. And by the way, Taylor Marshall 175 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.279 has to understand, which I don't think he's gotten to 176 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:15.399 this point yet, where he grasps that you do have 177 00:09:15.440 --> 00:09:18.720 to accept the ordinary, universal magisterial teaching of the papacy, 178 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:21.799 and that includes their canonization of saints. So you're gonna 179 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.639 have to accept John Paul the second as a saint. 180 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:25.919 You're gonna have to accept Paul the six. You're gonna 181 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.639 have to accept Johnny twenty third as blessed or whatever 182 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.679 he is. All of these innovators and all of these 183 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:35.120 guys who brought about this crisis in the Church, that 184 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.679 this apostasy that they admit and talk about, they're gonna 185 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:40.879 you have to accept them as saints. You can't reject 186 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.919 ordinary universal magisterium. And canonizations are part of ordinary universal magisterium. 187 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:50.279 So that means when he attacks Uni eight saints who 188 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.279 were Rivera saints, he's attacking his own saints. That's a 189 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:54.639 huge stupid mistake. 190 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.720 Yeah, and then just to remember to remind people unionism 191 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:03.000 is not a Vatican two things. It started way before 192 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.639 we've got to midway telling us that yes, after Florence 193 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:10.080 is accepted, is accepted leven bread, that is, they did 194 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.200 several creeds, did different kind of liturgy. It is absolutely 195 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.639 not a Vatican two things. It's been like exist for 196 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.639 a while. And actually they wild say that actually we 197 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.200 latinize it to remove stuff some several paper and cyclical 198 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.720 let's says that we cannot touch the right, we cannot 199 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.039 touch the way they worship. And it just to this 200 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.919 day several creeds and stuff. 201 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.279 Like this, right, Yeah, I had that in my notes 202 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.480 later on that that how can you claim to be 203 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:42.039 the Church with the magisterial faith of of one that 204 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.759 you have one faith that will ensure and promote this 205 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.440 unity when you have multiple creeds that your church confesses, right, 206 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.080 uni Ads don't confess the Philly, okay, in the creed, 207 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.440 but they're united to the rest of the world that 208 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.159 professes the Philly in the Creed. And supposedly we're supposed 209 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.320 to go, well, it doesn't ultimately matter because these two 210 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.399 things are reconcilable. Actually, we're going to see that the 211 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:05.480 two positions aren't reconcilable later on. But I just want 212 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:08.759 to point out this point that when you do the 213 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.399 appeal to pride thing, it has again a sort of 214 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:17.279 false piety emotional appeal, Like, well, I realized how prideful 215 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.440 I was, And the root problem of all the Orthodox 216 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:23.039 people is their pride, and they need to be converted 217 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:26.360 to the pope. And he actually appeals to original sin 218 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.720 is what keeps us from being saved in union with 219 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:35.720 the pope. This is bizarre, Like, so what's original sin 220 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:37.759 ultimately effect? I mean, I know that they would say 221 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.279 that it's you know, all of our sins, all our 222 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.759 our you know, actions against the divine law and moral law, etc. 223 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.000 Come from the root of original sin. But the whole 224 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:53.840 force of this discourse consistently was Flanders saying that original 225 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:57.720 sin is keeping you from recognizing the pope, which will 226 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.799 lead to your salvation. I mean, because they're I mean, 227 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.840 at least as far as I understood, they're kind of 228 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.919 trying to toy with the Peene idea that there's no 229 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:08.919 salvation outside the Roman Catholic communion, right, which Vatican two 230 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:11.320 is completely contrary to, by the way, and numerous papal 231 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.399 statements after Vatican Two were completely contrary to. And by 232 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.759 the way, ecumenism did not begin at Vatican two. It 233 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:20.240 began way earlier. Benedict the fifteenth was actually engaging in 234 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.159 ecumenical actions early on BENEDICTA six fifteenth with the big 235 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.440 supporter of the League of Nations. So I think the 236 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:29.679 papacy there was cracks in the papacy far earlier than 237 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.960 just Vatican two. But that's a different topic. My point 238 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:36.039 is just that the bizarre statements that original sin is 239 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:39.960 what leads us to deny the pope was hilarious because 240 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.960 this is really a vindication of the Orthodox claim that 241 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:47.200 really Roman Catholicism is sol of papem It's all ultimately 242 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:51.120 about defending the papacy. That's why Taylor Marshall. I mean, 243 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.679 most of his streams are about trying to fix the 244 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:55.159 problems in Rome and the papacy. 245 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.919 Right, it is as good because you know, all throats 246 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.600 the streams he composes to Presdent, which you know will 247 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.039 will disagree as one who who skins him. Then we're 248 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.919 going to discuss that when we'll talk about pride and stuff. 249 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.759 But equals this president all throughout the stream. And then 250 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:14.120 he makes an argument that sounds very colvinistic. You know, 251 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.279 you're in total depravity. So by definition you are trying 252 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:22.360 to you're you're trying to to refuse a papacy like 253 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.360 it's literally you know, the fall of aid and causes 254 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:30.080 you to to. 255 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.440 Total privaty, keeps you from being united with Frank, who 256 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.120 they think, by the way, is pretty much a heretic, 257 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.320 which is hilarious. So so he lumps the Orthodox then 258 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.919 with everybody else. All Orthodox are just like all the 259 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:43.519 Oriental Orthodox, which is objectively not true. Even though there 260 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:48.360 have been meetings, there's still not any official recognition of 261 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:54.120 sacramental sharing or uh liturgical recognition in the Diptics, right, 262 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:55.960 so none of that. So the fact that people meet 263 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.080 and by the way, Francis goes in praise in in mosques. 264 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.679 By his logic, Francis is a Muslim, right now, He's 265 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.519 not going to admit that. Well, I would actually say 266 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.080 maybe he is right, like I'm a free Masonic Muslim 267 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.360 because Francis goes in praise in the mosques. And Flanders 268 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.279 argument was literally that some Orthodox people will go to 269 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:19.519 a Coptic church. Therefore there is this sacramental sharing. And 270 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.919 then he has to correct Taylor Marshall on the fact 271 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:25.399 that their canon law actually allows them to go to 272 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.159 Schismatics to receive the sacraments in extreme cases, which by 273 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.000 the way, is an it's an innovation. 274 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:36.360 Is they even have a right to lie in order 275 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.240 to get Eucharist in other places. It's also shows that 276 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.960 they recognize that, you know, we have valid sacraments, which 277 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.399 is one of the main thing about the church. Like 278 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.679 how like what like if the sacraments work, if you 279 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.279 have sacramental certainty, it means that you know, you can 280 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.080 attain salvation, you can you can wash your sins, can 281 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:55.879 you can be confessed. 282 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.799 Taylor Marshall doesn't even know that the nineteen eighty three 283 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:03.480 Code of Canon Law and and Vatican two's allowances loosened 284 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.320 this up to where you can go to receive sacraments 285 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.879 from people that you are completely out of communion with. 286 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.039 But that actually makes perfect sense if you're in a 287 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.759 humanist and you accept all the uniates. I mean, if 288 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.519 uniates are accepted in the Roman Catholic comunion with completely 289 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:22.120 different faith, different canons and so forth, different saints, then 290 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.240 of course you could why couldn't you go receive In fact, 291 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:28.960 they even have canons and extremes cases where you can 292 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.200 be baptized. You can ask an atheist to baptize you 293 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.279 if you're on the point of death, which is utterly ludicrous, 294 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.399 right their whole ex operato system, which we'll get to 295 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.159 in a minute, with their misunderstanding of baptism. But I 296 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.320 just want to point out that it was completely disingenuous 297 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.200 to make the comparison to all of the Oriental orthodox 298 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:51.639 with the fact that some people will go to a 299 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.720 schismatic sect or something like that. And by the way, 300 00:15:54.960 --> 00:15:59.399 so all of those same problems that he thinks are 301 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.080 probably Orthodoxy exist in the world room Catholicism all over 302 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.039 the place, not in extreme cases. I mean, if you 303 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:10.679 are a Roman Catholic you have within perhaps one diocese. 304 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.960 Let's say I listed all my different options. I could 305 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.840 go to the SSPX, which is split and by the way, 306 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:18.840 they can't decide or figure out if you can or 307 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.879 can't go to the SSPX if you're no asorto. Half 308 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.679 of them think you can, have of them think you can't. 309 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.000 So I could go to the SSPX, which itself is 310 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.360 split between two people who want to go back to 311 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.000 and reconcile with the papacy and the Bishop Williamson crowd 312 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:37.200 type who don't want to and still but still recognize 313 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.840 the popes right. I could go to a Uniate church 314 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:44.639 which doesn't accept multiple ecumenical councils as normative in their theology. 315 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.000 They might give a verbal accredence to it. Some of 316 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:49.879 them will actually just outright deny it. They don't believe 317 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:53.080 in purgatory, they don't care about Trent, they believe pallemism, 318 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.679 quote unquote. But I could so is that the real 319 00:16:56.799 --> 00:17:01.639 Romancolic church I could go to. Yeah, I could go 320 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.119 to an FSSP church which is in commune with Rome 321 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.079 but has all the same ideas as the SSPX, because 322 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.200 they're SSPX people who've been reconciled to Rome. Right, so 323 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.440 there's that Latin Mass. I could go to a conservative 324 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:19.079 Novasto church which professes to have problems in Vatican two, 325 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.720 and do mental gymnastics on trying to reconcilt Vatican two, 326 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.599 but we'll still accept it. I could go to a 327 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.599 set of a contest sect or chapel, perhaps in a 328 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.240 big city, which themselves will all be split amongst one another, 329 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:30.799 claiming to be a Roman Catholic and claiming to have 330 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.680 validity in valid orders. I could go to a dioces 331 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.119 in Latin Mass which is different from all these and 332 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:38.359 will perhaps have a different view than all of these people. 333 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.519 Or perhaps I cant even find a crazy Conclavist Mass 334 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.839 who perhaps has valid sacraments because perhaps their so called 335 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.599 pope was ordained in the pre Vatican two, right. Or 336 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:51.480 I could find a Jesuit clown mass hip hop Mass 337 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:54.079 that I could say is the Roman Cathity. So within 338 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:58.200 one city, I have this vast array of completely different 339 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:04.119 faiths and liturgies, beliefs, perspectives on a dogmatic council and 340 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.039 the pope for the last sixty years. But I'm supposed 341 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.920 to believe that his analogy of some Orthodox people in 342 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.039 the antioch In church he saw one time, go to 343 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.680 a Coptic church that's equivalent to what I just listed. 344 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.559 Give me a break. 345 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:22.400 Yeah, and they will not have the same creed, they 346 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.519 will not have some ciology, so we'll know they will 347 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:32.240 pray the saints like the Celibates Parlemas for example. Or yeah, 348 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.759 if you go to to the historians to the killdean Catholic, say, 349 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.799 Mike Celebrate, you know, is like the Syrian who you 350 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.880 called an historian despite him not being an historian. 351 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.000 Right, he thinks it's not sat As Church, even though 352 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.839 the units accepted as It's just it's just nonsense. And 353 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.920 it's like they don't even know what they're arguing against. 354 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.000 They're just shouting. It's like the the whole thing was 355 00:18:53.039 --> 00:18:55.559 like total basic bitch level stuff, Like they didn't even 356 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.240 delve into anything with any substance. And that's because it 357 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.200 was really just an appear to the masses. It was 358 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.559 like a very low level kind of like just hoping 359 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.880 that nobody's going to actually go and check any of 360 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:09.279 these claims and just be swayed by, you know, just 361 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.400 emotional appeals. Basically. Uh, the next point is that we 362 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:19.240 are prideful and we don't figure out what we can't 363 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:23.680 uh forgive, and we have grudges again, another emotional appeal. 364 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.480 And let's let's I want to keep stressing that there's 365 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:31.000 a reason why Flanders says, you cannot solve this matter. 366 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:35.039 Don't look into history and the theology to solve this matter, 367 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:37.640 because you're never gonna You're just gonna go around in circles. 368 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.799 It's not an issue of object he says, it's not 369 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:46.079 an objective fact issue. Really, really, I thought that that's 370 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:48.039 what Vatican one says is the means in the way 371 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:50.240 by which we solve the issue of the papac that 372 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:53.039 you go look in the at the objective historical facts. 373 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:55.440 But he doesn't want us to do that. He wants 374 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.799 us to listen to what he thinks is the root, 375 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.319 which is pride. Which, yeah, of course, pride and pride 376 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:04.599 is the root of every sin, as Augustine says, and 377 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:06.799 it's also the root of heresy, as the root of schism. 378 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.960 But just to say that is just presupposing that your 379 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:12.880 position is correct. Right, Maybe you're the ones that's in pride. 380 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.640 Maybe your acumenical research at the Ukrainian Catholic University. Uh, 381 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.640 in aid of NATO and whatnot. Maybe that was a 382 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:23.599 source of pride. Maybe your thought that you you are 383 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:25.920 going to solve the schism and your research to be 384 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:30.400 a ministry of reconciliation. And he said, maybe that's pride. 385 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.519 It's terrible. So it says that, yeah, we we are 386 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.920 unable to forgive. Actually you know, it's it's fine. We 387 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:43.160 can we can forgive almost everything, but we can just 388 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:47.759 come into community if heresy because you know, union is great, 389 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.160 but you can only be united in truth. 390 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:50.759 Can be. 391 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:57.519 Like uh, you know, by this metric, you know the Romans, 392 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.880 you know, the pagan Romans, when the person at Christians, 393 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.920 they wanted to be united with them, they persecuted them, 394 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.279 not because they worshiped Christ, but because they worship Christ only. 395 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.279 They wanted to be united. Before this area of Doma, 396 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:12.480 it was called the paxt the orom the peace of 397 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:15.559 the Gods, so it was it was a union. So 398 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.039 but by this metric, do you think your martyrs that 399 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:22.039 were martyred by Rome, you know, who prefer truth instead 400 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.440 of union where they're prideful Christ themselves teaches that you know, 401 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.759 they will be schism Christ. Is that it brings the sword. 402 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.559 I'm not saying that we should look forward to schism, 403 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.240 but you know, just conflating any any sort of split 404 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.759 if being necessarily bad or prideful is is very wrong 405 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.920 because and you know the same way conflating any action 406 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.160 of unity as being necessarily good. You see, political unity 407 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:51.319 is also a tool of the anti Christ. 408 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.240 Well, that's a great point that we're going to get to. 409 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:55.359 So I mean, I mean, but this is the kind 410 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.799 of reasoning that leads directly to patcha Mama right unity 411 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.240 at the expensive truth. And by the way, all the 412 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:07.119 reunion attempts the the reunionists, that was always their their 413 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.640 driving modest operandi. I'm just reminded of the excellent book 414 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:17.839 by Papadaccus, Crisis in Byzantium, which deals with the Senator Blackernee, 415 00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.880 and it covers the fact that right after the Council 416 00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:24.839 of Lions which confirmed the Phillyoquay, the East met and 417 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:27.720 had Blackerne, which condemned the Philly oquay, which, by the way, 418 00:22:27.799 --> 00:22:29.759 is binding a normative for Orthodox. And we'll get to 419 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.720 one that's binding a normative Orthodox, because they actually touched 420 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.160 on that in the stream. But you see the same 421 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.240 designs for for motivations at the time of that reunion synod. 422 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.640 You see the same problems at the attempts at Florence's reunion. 423 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.559 And the problem is that it's great to have the 424 00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.440 desire for unity, but again it can't come at the 425 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.240 expensive truth and the problem with ecumenism, and we know 426 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:56.160 that that's the motivation of Flanders is one percent totally 427 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:59.200 a cumunist, and even admits us. He says, back when 428 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:01.319 he was received in he was, oh, I was a cumnist. 429 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.599 Back then I was. He was always an acumenist. That's 430 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:07.319 the problem. That's the root here is that the assumption 431 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:10.559 that I'm going to solve these problems because my heart 432 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.160 and my motives are right, and I'm going to be 433 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.119 the way I can help with this, I can heal 434 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:19.000 the That is pride. That is probably assuming that you 435 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.000 don't know, assuming that that you know better than all 436 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:24.640 of these people who actually dealt with this problem for centuries. Right. 437 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:27.359 It's it's that's the pride here is not is not 438 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.279 saying any any position that's not your position is pride. Right. 439 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.960 So Isaac the Syrian, by the way, wasn't a Nestorian 440 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.480 at that time the Church of the East that he 441 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:42.319 was a part of was actually in union with the Orthodox, 442 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.599 and he does not teach an historian ecclesiology or Christology. 443 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.880 So so Marshall again has no idea what he's talking 444 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.119 about when it comes to the East. But I knew 445 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:50.839 this about Marshaal ten years ago when we would debate 446 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.599 the essen synergy distinction. He was totally lost, and he's 447 00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.079 still totally lost. He doesn't know why it's an issue. 448 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.240 He doesn't get white even matters, And the exact same 449 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.599 is true of Flanders. I've never since seeing a person 450 00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:04.119 who goes from Orthodoxy to Rome who knew or grasps 451 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.559 why the essence introducinction matter. They couldn't tell you exactly 452 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:08.680 what it is. They could say, well, it's like there's 453 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.480 a distinction between God's actions and essence or whatever. But 454 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.920 like man, we're all just saying the same thing. No, 455 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.000 we're not. And the Sinaut of Blackerne shows that the 456 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.400 Orthodox Church knew that and has always known that it's 457 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.160 in our liturgy that we accept the essence introducinction. Saint 458 00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:28.079 Gregor Palomas has entire debates right the debate with Barlem 459 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.200 over this issue and so it doesn't matter how many 460 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:34.000 ecumenists say that we can mess these positions, when the 461 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.960 people who expounded these positions thought that then said very 462 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:39.799 clear that they couldn't be meshed. And all I have 463 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.720 to do to prove the Roman Catholic wrong on this 464 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.759 is to point out that for centuries they rejected Palomas 465 00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:49.039 and now they accept him. That shows you that your 466 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.359 church is false. It's not based on truth. It's just 467 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.680 based on power, temporal power and being under the pope. 468 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:59.039 You can have as many faiths as you want as 469 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.960 long as you accept Peter in their sense right, as 470 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.480 long as you accept And by the way, when I 471 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.079 say Peter, they want Peter to be the head of 472 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.079 all the world religions. That's where this is going. And 473 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.079 by the way, you think that's crazy enough, Flanders loves Salavia. 474 00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.880 That's what Slavia wanted Peter as ahead of world religions. 475 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.160 Yeah, exactly. I'd like to make a side note on 476 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.119 history because it brings up something that often comes up, 477 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.720 is is that we're prideful because we remember as a 478 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:34.839 fourth Crusade, uh you know, which is the second destruction 479 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:40.119 of Constantinople by a crusader army, which you know was 480 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.720 excommunicated by the pup for attacking the Catholic cities. But 481 00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.000 you know, this whole Cruisade thing started because they mistook 482 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:51.920 just war. If holy war, holly ward is a Muslim concept, 483 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:55.319 you don't get salvation by going to war. Killing someone 484 00:25:55.400 --> 00:25:59.720 is always bad. You can you can be part of 485 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:01.839 just what. But if you kill someone, you can become 486 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:04.480 a priest if you if your blood on your hands, 487 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.519 can go beIN the altar. And even since Basily says 488 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:09.799 that yes, we can accept that you go to war, 489 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:14.119 but under under some circumstances, if the war is just 490 00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:16.200 you cannot be a war for you know, persecution. It 491 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:21.720 needs to be to defend Christians. So it's and you know, 492 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.920 like it doesn't cleanse your sins. And we're going to 493 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.160 see that rom itself today shows that the crusade where 494 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.799 not to defend Christians, because you know, Jerusalem has been 495 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.359 under Moslim rule for quite a while at the time 496 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.839 of the first Cruisade. But the first crusade, you know, 497 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.759 the crusade thing only kicks off when when the skis them. 498 00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.319 So he says, we we are unable to yet to 499 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.319 forgive this. No, we can forgive you, We can forgive. 500 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:56.319 But what we cannot do is is forget or martyrs. 501 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:59.640 You know, if your revelations it's the martyr is the 502 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.680 blood mart as Christ Chris Evan and in Christ Christ 503 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.279 will avenge. So no, we just keep to tradition. What 504 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.920 we don't forget is what happened also after the Fourth Crusade, 505 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.119 because during the Latin Empires there has been many persecutions 506 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:19.440 of Orthodox Christians. Just after the Crusades, we also have 507 00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.400 a crusades starting in Russia. So it's not only against Byzantium, 508 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.519 it's against it's against Russia that you know, for example, 509 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.400 Saint Alexander Nevsky, he fought, uh, he fought some things 510 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:36.200 that happened if autunami of twutally crusaders and these totally 511 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.960 crusaders have been you know, evangelizing the Baltic for quite 512 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.519 a while, but they never attacked before the Fourth Crusade. 513 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.880 So actually after the Fourth Crusade you just said that 514 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.640 we are a fair game. We also criticize the units. 515 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.640 We have many many martyrs against the units we have 516 00:27:52.720 --> 00:27:59.279 even Union Busantine Empires. We're in community Rome that persecuted 517 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.599 and killed people. We have the Polish, the Polish York 518 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:08.720 over the Ukrainians, and and of course we cannot forget 519 00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:13.400 or martyrs, and they were killed specifically for for these reasons. 520 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.160 Usually people counteract by saying, this has been the massacre 521 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:23.000 of the Latins in the in the it's the business 522 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.440 an empire. If you look at it, it was not 523 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.480 done by the Church. Why did this happen? It happened 524 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.319 because you had Venetians and Geneerans competing and they will 525 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.319 attack each other's suburbs. And actually, at some point the 526 00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:40.000 Empress said, okay, you know authority in my empire. You're 527 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.880 trading rights and you started attacking each other in my empire. 528 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:51.640 I'm liquidating a part of the the Venetian carta is. 529 00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.200 The Church doesn't have much to do with it. That's 530 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:55.720 by the way. 531 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.160 Yeah, he has, he has a speaking of he has 532 00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.920 a blog post where he touched on some of that, 533 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:02.279 and he that's the one of the blog posts where 534 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.920 he says, don't worry about getting into this historical thing 535 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.319 of back and forth on the papacy, because you'll get 536 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.880 into the question of forged documents supporting the papacy. And 537 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.319 we can't really know if those are forgs, are not? 538 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.640 Nobody even really knows. Do we even really know? If 539 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.480 those are forms? You're not? Actually your own Vatican admits 540 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.039 that those are forgeries. What are you talking about? All 541 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:26.759 of these key texts that prove the temporal power of 542 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.039 the papacy, everything from donation of Constantine the Galatian to 543 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.279 Creedles Is Asidorian, the Creedles right, the Simakian forgeries right, 544 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.960 these all played into not just backing up the petrine 545 00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:43.400 succession of infallibility for Rome supposedly, but also in terms 546 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.519 of Rome's temporal power, which again obviously evolves into being 547 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.200 what it is nowadays, the Papal states, the Vatican Bank 548 00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.440 a secular institution, something that Metropolitan Sera Fama Pireus calls 549 00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.920 out very quickly in his his article that it's it's 550 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.160 it's largely about papal Cesero power, which is ironic given 551 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.119 their claims and critiques of Cero papism. 552 00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.599 Yep just finished the martyr So so yes, is it 553 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.599 called spiteful from members of martyrs, which is you know, 554 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:20.079 ironic because they himself I have no problem forgetting their 555 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.240 own martyrs. And you know, if you look at the 556 00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:27.359 Vatigan too. The calendar reform actually removed many, many saints 557 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.480 from the calendar, some of which are martyrs. And you know, 558 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:35.599 even before you had saints being faced out, they. 559 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.599 Move saints from the calendar, Clement of Alexandria, Sigmon of Trent. 560 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.200 I mean, they can just move. It's like, how is 561 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:46.720 that universal ordinary magisterial. If canonizations are universal ordinary magisterian, 562 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.160 which obviously they are, and then you can remove the saints. 563 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.440 It's it's ridiculous. 564 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.240 Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's bogus, because you know, 565 00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.119 these people entered the church as the Orthodox fast the tradition, 566 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.519 and today they will tell you actually, you know instance, 567 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:04.000 you know, there's the paperwork about saints. It's not like this. 568 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.640 There's no formal chanization of Saint Augustine, it's like this. 569 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.960 But apparently they can be removed this way. And at 570 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.240 some points it has been some backlash because at some 571 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.519 points that removes Catherine of Alexandria, as they removed Saint George, 572 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.960 and you know he later add them back. But oftentimes 573 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.559 in order to to they will remove saints and you know, 574 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.359 later cover up by saying, oh, you don't always there 575 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.480 is the other calendar. It's fine, is they removed Saint 576 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:31.440 Cyril of Alexandria. So they say that there apparently the 577 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.160 church that have the authority of the Council of Ephesis. 578 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.240 But they were removed in Ceil of Alexandria because he 579 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:41.839 puts them some you know, he cast some shade on 580 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.480 on the purp. So yes, also this proves that, you know, 581 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.519 the orthodox way of making saint center the church is 582 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:52.759 part of the divinal human magisterium of church or church 583 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.000 is a divin human entity. 584 00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.599 Yeah, I mean for the first millennium, So for the 585 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.279 first millennium there was a local phenomena in it still 586 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.400 is an orthodoxy. Everybody. Nobody will admit that the Roman 587 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:08.519 Catholic pope in the first millennium is who confirmed all saints. 588 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.400 Everybody knows that's a post schism development in the Latin 589 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.799 Church because it's an innovation, because obviously it didn't work 590 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.759 that way before. The pope didn't decide through the Roman 591 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.920 see every single saint for the church. Now after the schism, 592 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.240 they do because it's an obvious innovation. So we are 593 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.519 the traditional church, you're not, Yes, So. 594 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.079 They will say it's it's messy and stuff like this. 595 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.039 It's being recognized by tradition. The first the first step 596 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.319 for sanctity is actually not waiting for the pope to 597 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.680 accept it's to to acknowledge a person as a same. 598 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.160 So for example, today we have people who are making 599 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:47.319 icons of of surfing, of surfing rules. Why because this 600 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.440 is this is the Orthodox way, and a thinks there's 601 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.839 a good Baptist argument works here is that you know 602 00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:58.359 the saints for us enter the church in this, you 603 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:02.400 know divin a human tradition. For Rome, it can be 604 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.920 done and done. It's just about paperwork. So I couldn't 605 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.920 even argue that there is no sanctity in in sanctuary 606 00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.160 in Rome because because they adopted this new thing is 607 00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.960 just about paperwork. Tomorrow you can you can be canonized 608 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:22.039 next day, you can be uncanonized depending on hobilities, you know, 609 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.599 if it always a papacy. For example, sin Cemon of 610 00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:31.200 Trent was was removed from the calendar because of the circumstances. 611 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:36.640 He's not acumenically viable given the history of a post 612 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.920 Vatican to Roman Catholicism. He's not ecumenically viable. So they 613 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.720 had to get rid of him. By the way. The 614 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.839 next point in their talk was he attempted to try 615 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:51.799 to comment on the Metropolitan Moscow patriarchy in the dispute 616 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:54.839 with the EP and the problem in the Ukraine. Now, 617 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.480 this is interesting again because he is from the university, 618 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.000 the Calm University and the Ukraine. So I think that 619 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.359 and we know that that's connected to the people at Fordham. 620 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.079 We know that the ecumenists there have been working with 621 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.320 the Roman Catholics and the Uniates to undermine the influence 622 00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.880 of the Russian Orthodox Church there and the Canonical Ukrainian 623 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.800 Church and Metropolitan NUFRI. That's all being done at and 624 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.159 fostered by NATO in the CIA. What's very interesting that 625 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.159 they never even touched on this, and it's well known 626 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.639 in mainstream news, It's well known at good Orthochristian dot com, 627 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:31.480 countless articles describing and detailing the problems in Ukraine. No 628 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:34.119 mention of any of that, no mention of the problems 629 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.519 of how acumenists are a big part of this. Right, 630 00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.280 I thought, Taylor Marshall is not a big fan of ecumenism. Oh, 631 00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.079 but if it's to undermine the Orthodox Church there, oh, 632 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.719 suddenly acumenism is good. Right, So, but that just goes 633 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.000 along with their you know, ends justify the means Catholic 634 00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.320 moral system that we get from Alfonsi's Lagwari. But he 635 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.880 talks about the rival. He says that that this is 636 00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.400 crazy that one patriarch will be out of communion with another. 637 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.199 This is just crazy. Has he never read church history? 638 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.639 Does he not know of the countless examples of this 639 00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.800 happening in the first millennium? And the pope didn't just 640 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.639 solve all these problems, right, He acts like this is 641 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.440 something that's like just unique to like twentieth century Orthodoxy 642 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.800 or nineteenth century Orthodoxy. This has happened in all kinds 643 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.760 of times in the first millennium. In fact, what's the 644 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:26.480 situation with the Synoty of Oak where Cyril of Alexandria 645 00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:30.119 isn't he out of communion with Christostom and Rome? Right, 646 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.519 So there's a period where they're out of communion. Saint 647 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.039 John Chris Sistem for a long time in his life 648 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:37.920 was out of communion with Rome. Right, So there's plenty 649 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.920 of examples of Canon twenty eight of Chalcedon talks about 650 00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.199 the very thing that he doesn't even grasp, right, the 651 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.519 very thing that he says, acts like a some normative 652 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.039 thing is right in the middle of the Council of Calcedon. 653 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.159 Yeah, he says that quote at nineteen minutes, this makes 654 00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:02.239 no sense the facts that you have indirect communion. Look 655 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.199 at church history, you know, at seventeen minutes they say 656 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:09.679 that rivalry between the patricids are are showing that there's 657 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.440 a problem all the consuls. You know, to an extent, 658 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.920 you've got rivalries between patricut and they are so so 659 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.719 bad as this isn't even acologies. They say that you 660 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.360 know that knows the African schism, if it's incipron of 661 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.440 cath that actually disagreeing perpet you know, it's happened, you 662 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.360 know during all this part where Rome was trying to 663 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.639 to show that that leadership of our Northern Northern africasm 664 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.639 graviation Cartho region and they say, but don't worry when 665 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.280 when we think about it, it's it's just it's just 666 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:38.800 an exception. 667 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:39.920 It's been. 668 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.320 Like if you look at you know, the church always 669 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.760 had problems. You know, even Central Christistom says that hell 670 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.280 is paid the skulls of bishops. The CHURCHI always had problems. 671 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.480 The church always had always as these issues. But when 672 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.280 we look at the kind of issues that both sides 673 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.639 are facing, we have the same issues as for the 674 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.320 Church of the first millennium. We have the same one. 675 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.079 We have people disagree and and what's great is that 676 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:12.639 it is a disagreement right now. It's it's not about faith. 677 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.760 We do not want to add things to decree. It's 678 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.599 mostly about jurisdiction. It's a it's it's a political squab. Actually, 679 00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.119 the fact that we diunited politically, because you know, Church 680 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:26.800 did not come to make an umpire. It said that, 681 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:31.000 you know, don't with Caesar. You give to Caesar what diseases. 682 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.960 So the fact that we're not united politically, you know, 683 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.199 the fact that we're in competition just like the battery kids. 684 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.719 You know that inside the empire, it shows that we 685 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.599 need to be able to keep the theology is the best, 686 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.639 whereas they are united politically, and the things that you 687 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:50.760 just need to go up one person to destroy everything. 688 00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.199 So there's a problem you're having are just as innovative 689 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.119 as your dogma. The problem the Roman church is just 690 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.280 as innovative as a Roman dogma. And now you can 691 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.840 you can just destroy everything there just one man. 692 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.800 Yeah, I mean, is it not obvious from Nicia that 693 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.679 the structure of the church involved patriarchates and national bishops. 694 00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.000 Does that mean that we are confined and limited to 695 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.599 some sort of strict nationalism. No, But I mean it's 696 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.719 like these guys had never even they've never even read 697 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.360 the canons of the councils, Like they don't even know 698 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:23.519 the way that the councils operated. That they have no 699 00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.639 idea the fact that this was the normative structure, was 700 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.039 honor being given in these councils. And there's no comparison 701 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.840 between the honor of the Bishop of Rome, nor does 702 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.480 a council determine the Bishop of Rome's local jurisdiction, nor 703 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:43.239 can it be compared to Alexandria or to Antioch. Right, 704 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.039 but what do you see here in this famous canon 705 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:46.719 of Nicia? 706 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:47.000 Right? 707 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.800 Have these people even looked at Nicia? Do they even know? 708 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.119 Because all they do when they go to the church 709 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:54.880 father the church fathers just exist to be to be 710 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.599 quote mined for papal supremacy, presuppositions. That's the only reason 711 00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:01.559 that that's all they care about. They don't ever debate 712 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:05.000 the theology, they don't ever talk about the Essen's interducetinction. 713 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:06.800 They will talk about any of that stuff because all 714 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.079 they care about is proving solar paper. That's the only thing. 715 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.800 And again duel Ingjur was correct when he said that 716 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:16.000 after Vatican One, all of a Catholic apologetics will be 717 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:19.360 papal lawyering. It will be just nothing but trying to 718 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:24.000 prove that the papacy and Vatican One was always the case, 719 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.360 when clearly the modus operandi and many, many, many examples 720 00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.480 here you can see. I mean, if we were to 721 00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.679 say something like Canon six, they would be like, oh, 722 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:35.760 your national church is, bro, you got a bunch of nationalism. 723 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:36.000 Bro. 724 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.599 You don't have like you got your pent archy, Bro, 725 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.320 you got your patriarchist Bro. The patriarchal system is out 726 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.079 of the canons of the councils. Do you not understand that, 727 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.920 like this is the modus operandi. 728 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.440 Yeah, it's very funny because he says that we are 729 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.519 not the Church of the Seventh Council. We don't as 730 00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:56.000 the authority of the seven Council, but we keep the 731 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:56.599 countons of. 732 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:57.760 Them, right, you don't. 733 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.559 Yeah, And and you know something that's very funny, like 734 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.920 this Canon six, you will have some people who try 735 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.960 to turn the thing and say that actually it means 736 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:10.480 that Alexandria isn't the Rome. No, it says, and it 737 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.519 says that very clearly in in this canon that Rome 738 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:19.800 as extended jurisdiction, not because of Patron's supremacy, because of 739 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:20.800 we reco. 740 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.519 There's no, there's no mention of of that. 741 00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:32.960 He actually actually goes on against the it's just great. 742 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.199 It goes on against the pain key by saying that 743 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.199 you know, it's it's not it's it was, it was, 744 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:44.480 it was developed. Yeah, it's part of tradition again the council, yes, 745 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.440 and it's And in order to to bring this argument, 746 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.760 he brings up the Council of Constantinople One, which is 747 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.079 this council is the best argument against the papacy even. 748 00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.599 Why why why has Constance album won such a great 749 00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.679 argument against papes. 750 00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.599 Yeah, so constant pul One. So it brings it up 751 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.800 because it is a council that establishes Constantinople as being 752 00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.280 a patriarchate before it was not patriarchet which is fine. 753 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:14.199 We agree with this even today. You know, the EP 754 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:20.119 gets the Thomas from the patriarch of Hiraklion in recognition 755 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.679 of that. But you know full well that they adhere, 756 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.920 especially especially Marshaled, to the idea of no salivation outside 757 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:35.639 the church. But this council in Neuran paper supremacy over 758 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.559 counsuls but was just great. And I have the Canon 759 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:44.599 of the Catholic Church that says that the Roman Pontiff 760 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:47.920 Canon thirty thirty eight, the Roman Pontiff alone, as you 761 00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:52.920 can vook, the Commdical Council preside preside over it. The 762 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.199 second part it is to the Roman Pontiff to determine 763 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.280 the matter to be treated in the council and established 764 00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.320 order in the in the ops of council. So not 765 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.320 only the Pope was not present any of the seven 766 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:09.400 mecamical council the first ones. But actually this council was 767 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:14.599 convened in skuse be from because this council actually happens 768 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:21.920 during the controversy of Lucifer of Callier. So Lucifer Cacleary, 769 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.800 who's the schismatic, refused baptism of people that were persecuted 770 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:31.840 in that our Chlesian And this council is convened excuse 771 00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:34.679 of be from because at the time there are two 772 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:39.480 bishops of Pantioch, there is there is Belatius, and there 773 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:44.519 is a Polinius. And Police is not recognized by by 774 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:50.480 Jerusalem and Constantinople, whereas there's also yeah, Milicious is recognized 775 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:54.800 by Cruz, Jerusalem and Constantinople, and Paulinus is recognized by 776 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:00.519 Rome and Alexandria. So this council is convened by is 777 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:06.079 the part that is supporting militious you know, Besis militant right. 778 00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.159 Yeah, Basil. This will come into play when I will 779 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.679 read from Basil's letters, which are completely contrary to Vatican 780 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.360 one people supremacy. We'll see that that was nowhere in 781 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:16.920 Basil's mind. There's no way he could write the letters 782 00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.239 he wrote if you believe the Vatican one view, which 783 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.840 again they have this curious thing where on the one hand, 784 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.840 they are constantly interested in proving the Vatican One mindset 785 00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.320 from the first millennium of Christianity, and then they turn 786 00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.320 around and will say and admit that there was no 787 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.800 Vatican One mindset. It's a doctrine that evolved and it's 788 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:37.519 something that came to clearer and clear evolutionary truth over tom. Now, 789 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:38.960 wait a minute, which is it? Is it something that 790 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:40.800 was always there would say, try to argue when they 791 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.800 go to Clement or to Pope Victor, or to Leo 792 00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.639 or these people that they misuse or is it something 793 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.400 that wasn't really clear but evolved, right, So they do 794 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:50.719 they do both things at once. 795 00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.639 Yeah, And it makes us great about Constant nuple is 796 00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.800 that it's convenience schism be thrown and yet it is 797 00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:06.760 an e commenical council. It it promotes communical truth. And 798 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.599 what does an ecumunical council mean? You know, a communical 799 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:11.360 means that it's in the empire. But what does a 800 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.920 true council mean? One that we follow is one that 801 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.400 show the truth of faith. And this council show the 802 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:23.280 truth of faith, of faith, and that means the Holy 803 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.000 Spirit seals the decision. That means it's infallible, you know 804 00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.559 the paper and fallibility derections from this, you know, you 805 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.559 know before it was only for true ecumenical council. Now 806 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.360 it just was the perpect. This means that the Holy 807 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:37.440 Spirit operated at an ecomunic like in an a communical 808 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.239 council outside of the post, outside of the community. From 809 00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:42.119 that means that Rome was on the on the wrong 810 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.440 side of a schism and even Meletius, who died during 811 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:46.039 this council. 812 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:48.880 Yeah, I stressed to look at the quality of the 813 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.599 content that s Neck brings to the stream, look at 814 00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.559 the quality of the content and depth that we go into, 815 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.199 and compare that to just the totally normy emotional appeal 816 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.119 that they did. That's why he says, don't go into 817 00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.000 the actual claims. Just go by the fact that I 818 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.719 had a burning in my bosom at liturgy one day 819 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.440 that told me that I was in pride right, and 820 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.199 then they go on to this list, well, and they've 821 00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.719 got some problems and they don't have the pope. That's 822 00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.360 the essence of that whole day. Look at where I 823 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.800 mean what. They didn't even mention a single canon. They'd 824 00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:22.679 even mention a single objection right of something like Canon 825 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:25.599 twenty eight. Now he made Snack made a great point 826 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:27.960 from constat the noble one. But the next council after, 827 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:32.039 well there's ephesis and then you have Chalcidon. The reason 828 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:33.960 I'm bringing Calcaton up is that if you look at 829 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.480 Canon twenty eight, which by the way, yes, the papacy 830 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.440 later rejected, and obviously they had to reject it because 831 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:42.280 it doesn't fit with their paradigm. But we're bringing it 832 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.039 forth because what this shows us is the canonical procedure 833 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.119 of the church, the mindset of the church at that 834 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:54.000 time to propose this canon right and again yes, eventually 835 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:56.920 the Bishop of Rome rejects this canon because he doesn't 836 00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:59.360 like what's in that canon, obviously, but what it. 837 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.000 Shows is that because if the purpose supposed to reign 838 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.679 of all the council, what does he have to seek? 839 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.199 You know, the canon promoted. 840 00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:11.440 And why why is it even there? That's the point. 841 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:16.079 The mindset of the council is concilier. Canons are concilier, right, 842 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.679 Papal letters and dogmas are not right, So canons are concilier. 843 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:23.199 And what does this canon say. It says that the 844 00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:28.159 tradition of the fathers is what derives the patriarchy derives 845 00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:33.719 its honor and its rights from the tradition of the councils. 846 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:35.920 We saw that with Canon six and Nicia, and here 847 00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.039 in Canon twenty eight of Chalcedon. What you see is 848 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:42.360 that the rights and privileges of the throne of old 849 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.559 Rome were because it was the royal city, and so 850 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:49.280 constant and nobles should have equal rights and privileges because 851 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.880 it's new Rome, right, and so it should be magnified 852 00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.559 as she is to the second in rank, and it 853 00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.800 should have all the same powers and prerogatives because of 854 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.679 why magical peter powers. No, because of divine excuse me, 855 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.239 because of the canons of the councils, and because of custom. 856 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.880 And so this custom, right is what is the basis. 857 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.360 And it's rejected by the pope obviously, right, so the 858 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.800 papacy eventually has to do. You think this is the 859 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.159 only example. There are multiple examples. I got a list 860 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.559 right here of all of the canons and all the 861 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.800 ecamenical synods. Yes I have, and we're going to go 862 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.880 through some of these would show that each one of 863 00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.679 these canons that's proposed in every economical synod, not all 864 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.039 the canons, but each canon that we have as an 865 00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:40.079 example here is contrary to the attitude of Vatican One. 866 00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.079 And again notice the double think schizophrenia of the Roman 867 00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.000 Catholic apologists, who, on the one hand want to tell 868 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.719 you that the Vatican one mindset was always there. It 869 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.760 was always there clear and at the same time, well, 870 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.800 it wasn't really there. It was evolving. It was just 871 00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.400 a seed form right in the Cardinal Newman notion of 872 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.960 evolution of dogma. It was a seed form that was there, 873 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.119 and it evolved all the way up to the time 874 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.599 of Vatican One. And so the most important doctrine of 875 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.079 the Church, which is not in the creed, totally absent 876 00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.719 in John Damascus's exposition of the the Orthodox faith right, 877 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.440 which they accept as a doctor of the Church, totally absent. 878 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.320 Nothing there. It's the last thing that the Catholic Church 879 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.199 defines in an ecumenical council except for Vatican one. Right, 880 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.119 So it took all the way up to the eighteen 881 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:26.679 hundreds to define the doctrine that is the foundation of 882 00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:28.440 the church and how you know the true church, and 883 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.639 it's not even in the creed. It's ridiculous. 884 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:36.159 Some things that's interesting is that during the Council of Constantinople, 885 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:41.800 the first one, Malicious was presiding or it died, and 886 00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.519 Malicious is a saint, so he wasn't skism be from 887 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.320 he died in schism, be from knowing about the schism, 888 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:56.000 because he was trying to mend it, and still is 889 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.960 a saint. So not only is there is you know 890 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.800 a saint, is there is salvation outside of the Roman communion, 891 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.280 But there is also sanctity, sainthood, and there's also e 892 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.639 commenical councils, and that's some things. You know. They would 893 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.280 say that, you know, this consul is only a communical 894 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.920 you know consernerable ones only a communical because the pope 895 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.199 accepted it. Yes, but it doesn't matter according to ecclesiology, 896 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.960 because it means that a really communical consul is the 897 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.280 spirit falling on it your church today, will Marshall accept, 898 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.599 you know, in a communical consul if it was convened 899 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:33.719 by you know, Pop Michael. You know Pop Michael is 900 00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:35.719 in community with the church. He has the same theology 901 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.440 as as Marshall, who's not heretical according to him. If 902 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:41.440 if I don't know Francis actually you know, if if 903 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.480 Pop Michael makes an emmical consul and Francis accepted it, 904 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:51.239 will Marshall agree? Will do this? No, you won't. Exactly 905 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.480 is exactly what happened in the in the past. Of 906 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:56.760 of course you know they were not there was not 907 00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:01.559 a trailer park, respect but still in kiss and be from. Yeah, 908 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:04.039 it's it's terrible sin to bring it up. And you 909 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.400 know again, you know, really we don't have the potency 910 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.559 of the consuls, But why don't you follow the canons? 911 00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.039 Canon to ide is it was a great well. 912 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.480 The canons show us the mindset of the church, and 913 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.000 it shows that they are innovators and that they don't 914 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.039 follow the canons. Now we're not just pointing, We're not 915 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.639 pointing the canons out like some sort of legalistic talmutic 916 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.039 thing like, oh, you just have to follow it because 917 00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.239 it was an ancient canon. No, no, no. The point is 918 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.880 that the canons showed the mindset and the praxie of 919 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.480 the Church of that century universally, universally, and none of 920 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.679 these canons prove or back up the Roman Catholic view. 921 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.280 It's something that evolves over time on the basis of 922 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.000 canonical privileges. And we see the exact same thing with 923 00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.400 Bartholomew now. Bartholomew now is trying to do the very 924 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.119 thing that the papacy did, which was to claim that 925 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.199 all of these canonical privileges that were accorded to them, 926 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:57.519 to the different patriarchates over over time throughout the centuries, 927 00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:01.239 and the canons somehow now translates into a direct sort 928 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.519 of voice of God modus operandi. But if you look, 929 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.199 for example at Canon four of Nicia, we want once again, 930 00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.760 let's see again how the Romancolic Church after the first 931 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.679 millennium completely departed from the normative way of appointing bishops. Now, 932 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.039 why would the pope want to appoint all bishops? Well, 933 00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:19.639 obviously to make sure that they all agree on the papacy. 934 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.400 But now why if that's the case, why didn't Nicia 935 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.440 have the wisdom of the foresight to understand that the 936 00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.159 pope should appoint every bishop in the world. Right? Who 937 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.559 appoints bishops at the time of Nicia Canon Ford It 938 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.320 is by all means proper that a bishops should be 939 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.199 appointed by all the bishops in the province. It's not 940 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.360 just the pope. And after the Renaissance it becomes normative 941 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.639 for the pope to sign off on all of the 942 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.000 bishops in the world. Right. So again, at a basic, basic, 943 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.679 fundamental level, they're completely ignorant. 944 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.840 Of history, right, yeah, yeah, you're saying canons is the 945 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.079 current canons of a Catholic Church. It's they basically contadixase canons. 946 00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:03.679 Some things that's interesting is that even says that there's 947 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.360 a need for the nice in Creed. But why is 948 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.960 it not present in the niceten Creed? If if that's 949 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:11.119 the things that ultimately matters, you know, if salvation is 950 00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:15.400 ultimately linked, directly linked and mostly linked to the fact 951 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:19.360 to being community from why isn't it in in this 952 00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.480 In this Creed at ten minutes it says, like we said, 953 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.440 it is the need for a nice in Creed, the 954 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.800 Creed talks about the church in terms of ontology. Does 955 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.920 they talk about the church ontologically? If the church is 956 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:33.159 built on on on Peter and you know not. 957 00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:37.679 Your salvation hinges on this sanctum, says, your salvation hinges 958 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.079 on being in union with the pope not only when 959 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:44.840 I'm signed, I mean, uh, Cantata Domino teaches that there's 960 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:48.119 no salvation or martyrdom, there are no martyrs outside of 961 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.199 the Catholic Church, right, Danzinger. Let's get our get out 962 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.000 our friendly Danzinger. By the way, it's not Cantata Domino 963 00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:58.599 that first says this. Cantate Domino is referring to an 964 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:03.599 older statement and singer Pope Pallagius the second two four seven, 965 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.000 which says that there's no martyrs outside of the Catholic Church. Right, 966 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.360 we would agree with that there's no martyrs in other churches, right, 967 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:14.599 that's true, we're not acumenists. However, after Unum sanctem this 968 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.599 becomes there's no martyrs outside of communion with the Bishop 969 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.920 of Rome himself. That's why Cantate Domino expands that and 970 00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.840 says no, So unum sanctum has happened, right, Cantate Domino 971 00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.360 happens at Florence, and it says that you have to 972 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:32.159 not only be in union in the Orthodox Church, the 973 00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.599 Orthodox Catholicy Church, now you also have to have the 974 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.960 requirement of being in union with the successor to Peter 975 00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:41.320 to be saved. So this is a salvific issue, right, 976 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.639 Why is this absent in so many church fathers, so 977 00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.800 many doctors of the Church, so many statements of the Creed, 978 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:52.320 so many places in the councils, This fundamental salvific doctrine 979 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:57.480 is completely absent until magically, surprisingly or not surprisingly, after 980 00:53:57.519 --> 00:53:59.360 the schism. Now you have to be in union with 981 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:03.920 Rome to be said. Yeah, and by the way, they 982 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.519 don't even teach that anymore after Vatican too. You can literally, 983 00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:11.400 through some generic invincible ignorance desire be said than anything. 984 00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.519 Yeah, like really, you know, if you think that Vatican 985 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.360 to change the Church, you should you should look at 986 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.280 an early church and its history, because the Roman Catholic 987 00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.400 Church was in constant mutation, you know, which apparently support 988 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.400 was supposed to to prevent from. But the Vatican one, 989 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:31.320 if you look at the historians, if you look at 990 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.960 Roman Catholic storians the time, you know, get A was 991 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:36.960 a Roman Catholic historian, Dullinger was a Roman Catholic historian. 992 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.480 So they've been teaching. There was top of the class 993 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.679 and they said, you know, this is creating a new religion. 994 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.199 And even before that, like we said, like you know, 995 00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.199 papalism is creating a new religion. It's been, it's been 996 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.920 in constant mutation. It didn't start with Vatican to Ecumunism 997 00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.320 didn't start with Vatican two. You already have multiple rights, 998 00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:59.800 multiple creeds, multiple disciplines, starting at Florence. So yeah, there was. 999 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:03.719 There's a specific, terrible quote that Flanders has. I'm trying 1000 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.760 to figure out what find in my notes where he 1001 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:10.440 said he said something like we're frozen in seven eighty 1002 00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.559 seven and we don't even have the faith of the 1003 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.440 ecumenical councils. He says something like this, like I'm trying 1004 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.480 to see where I wrote down his exact phraseology. He says, 1005 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.760 there's a a You just become your own. He says, 1006 00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:28.440 you become your own. 1007 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.039 He says, we don't have faith, and we don't have 1008 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:33.559 the we. 1009 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.000 Don't have the faith of those seven councils. Now, let's 1010 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.679 go through each of the seven councils again. Thank you 1011 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.880 to Kai and Seraphim from the discord shout out so 1012 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:44.800 uh in Nicea, So if you want to write these down, 1013 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.920 you can go and look these up. I'm not gonna 1014 00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.960 screenshot every one of these, that we'd be here all night, 1015 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.039 but I'm gonna list them. So in Nicea Canon four, 1016 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.199 as we showed, we showed Canon six and const Antinople one. 1017 00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:02.039 Canon two discusses the fact that bishop stay within their jurisdictions. Uh, 1018 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.239 this leads to confusion if they go outside of their jurisdictions. 1019 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.800 There's no mention of the exemption of Rome here, so 1020 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.199 they make an argument of silence. Oh well, it's just understood. 1021 00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.400 But remember constant Nople was convened in schism right and 1022 00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.320 later is accepted by Rome, so no mention of that. 1023 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.360 But yet the Holy Spirit is guiding this council. It's ridiculous. 1024 00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.280 Canon three, the Bishop of Constantinople should have prerogatives as 1025 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:26.840 senec mentioned, so we begin to have the prerogatives of 1026 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:30.880 honor given to constat noble like Rome. In Canon six 1027 00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:35.239 of Ephesus, we have the Holy Synod, which is accepted 1028 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.679 by the Church's ecumenical has authority over all the faith 1029 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.000 all the faithful. No mention of the Roman bishop having 1030 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.519 the real authority or the true authority or the principal 1031 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:47.039 foundational authority over all the faithful. The canon specifically says 1032 00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:50.679 the Ecumenical Council is what has authority over all the faithful. 1033 00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:58.599 Canon seven is the statement on altering the creed. Canon 1034 00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:07.679 eight is contrary to the canons of the Apo, the 1035 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:13.159 apostolic constitutions of the Holy Apostles, the transgressions of the 1036 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.559 ancient customs, and the canons of the Blessed Fathers are 1037 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:18.320 to be kept, and there's no mention of any special 1038 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.360 authority of Rome in this canon. The canon reaffirms the 1039 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.880 importance of the succession of the bishops and their own jurisdiction, 1040 00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.480 and explicitly condemns taken over other jurisdiction. There's no special 1041 00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.239 authority or exemption mentioned for Rome in Canon eight, which 1042 00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:34.400 it would have been the ideal place to mention it. Right. 1043 00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:39.760 Canon one of Chalcedon states that the ancient canons remain 1044 00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.079 in force. Now, remember every time that these canons state 1045 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.920 that an ancient canon remains in force, it's presupposing that 1046 00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:52.360 modus operandi. Right, it's not saying that it's not allowing 1047 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.199 a new mode of doing these things. Well, now we 1048 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.679 did that with the canons. Now the pope can come 1049 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.599 in and sort of arbitrarily decide what he wants and 1050 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:05.719 what he doesn't want. Otherwise, Again, the whole praxis modus 1051 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:14.440 operandi of canons itself is snodl. It's collegial. These don't 1052 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.320 make any sense in the Vatican One mindset, and that's 1053 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.599 why the Roman Catholic Church has a completely different practis 1054 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.519 after the first millennium. So what we're trying to demonstrate 1055 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:26.719 here is that his claim that we don't have the 1056 00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:29.760 faith of the Seven Councils is ludicrous. And he hasn't 1057 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.760 even read these canons, or if he has, he's being 1058 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.800 dishonest because he should have dealt with them. He should 1059 00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.880 have said, well, let's deal with some of their objections 1060 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:41.280 from these ancient canons. So the ancient canons are in force. 1061 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:43.719 There's no mention in those ancient canons of Rome having 1062 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:47.000 the universal supremacy. It would have obviously been attached at 1063 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:50.199 every point. I mean, look, none of the people at 1064 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.679 this time operate like the Roman Catholic apologists. Now where 1065 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.400 are all the Roman catholicapologists at this time in these councils. 1066 00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:59.519 They should have just been citing the popes all the time, 1067 00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.800 but they don't do that. Where is that mindset? It's 1068 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.159 not here, right, and they do the flip flop. Well, 1069 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:07.400 it wasn't there because it was nascent and seed form. 1070 00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.039 But now wait a minute, you just tried to argue 1071 00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.800 from all these post Apostolic fathers, Victor Clement, that it 1072 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.360 was always there. Total contradictions. So Canon one of Chalcedon 1073 00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.440 is the ancient canons are in forced. Canon five says 1074 00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:25.440 that all the boundaries of the ancient canons remain enforced. 1075 00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:32.480 No exemptions for Rome mentioned Canon nine. Appeal your problems 1076 00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.440 in your local jurisdictions up the hierarchy until they reach 1077 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.559 the throne of Constantinople. You hear that this is Calceadon. 1078 00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:43.760 You can appeal up the structure until it reaches Constantinople, 1079 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:48.280 where is the mention of the final infalliable throne of Rome. 1080 00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.679 Now quite when the Roman Catholic apologies are presented with this, 1081 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.360 you know what they actually say. They say, well, it 1082 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:57.920 was just understood. In every one of these examples, they 1083 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.239 always say, appeal to sign. It was just it was 1084 01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:03.320 it was, it was just. It's all. It's all there, 1085 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:07.320 it's just no no actual it is appeal of silence. Well, 1086 01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:08.000 they all knew that. 1087 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.400 Even if you go look in Roman Catholic sources. For example, 1088 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.480 before Vatican Ones, they had they had the Roman Catholic 1089 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.679 historian compiled all the history of the councils. This guy 1090 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:24.280 was named fl A, and f l A compiles history 1091 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:27.239 of the council and he says, and it's okay, it 1092 01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:28.960 was blackmail to an extent. Of course, he got a 1093 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.880 Roman Catholic bias. But if you look at it, it still 1094 01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.920 doesn't match the Roman Catholic understanding. When it comes to 1095 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.199 Constantinople one he says that yes, yes, they we're not 1096 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:39.280 in the community the purposes that The only other example 1097 01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:44.480 they have is a previous Roman Catholic historian who actually 1098 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:49.199 quoted a false false acts of Consols. He says that 1099 01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:52.760 Baronius here Colin Baronius, which is a beatified in the 1100 01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:56.119 Roman chair here is quoting false stuff, and Barers notes 1101 01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:00.599 forger it's even it's Barnes also that push to remove 1102 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.960 Syrilla Alexandria from the from the list of the saints, 1103 01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.440 because he's so he's a problem with papalism in in 1104 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:11.760 ephesis because if it's still Alexandria. So yeah, you can 1105 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.480 even go look at your own sources that will show 1106 01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.679 this at some point, if it even even you know, 1107 01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:23.480 goes on it was blackmail. But he still says that 1108 01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.559 that Honorious was a hertic. Still like, go read your 1109 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.960 own sources. It just it banks the church. 1110 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:38.000 Yeah, okay. Canon ten uh, traditional jurisdictional boundaries and force 1111 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.800 no exemptions for Rome. Canon twelve. We're we're still doing 1112 01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:44.280 calcilon Canon twelve. No bishop is allowed to set up 1113 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.079 two multi metropolitans in one province. Any bishop who does 1114 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.840 loses his rank. There's no exemptions for the Roman bishop here. 1115 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.039 Again limited jurisdictions. And by the way, don't they have 1116 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:54.719 three patriarchs of Aniochy said. 1117 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.159 Yeah, it's actually bring at forty five minutes. Oh, you 1118 01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:04.719 you have overlapping jurisdiction. No, it's not really overlapping jurisdiction 1119 01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.159 because because it was a Roman jurisdiction, that is no 1120 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:12.400 avoid and these are diasporus. However, yes, you have currently 1121 01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:16.039 you have three Roman Catholic bishop all in community in 1122 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.480 the same city, prefacing different three different phase different saints. 1123 01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.360 Yeah. Canon nineteen says each bishop or metropolitan is in 1124 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:26.840 charge of their own jurisdiction and the matters of their 1125 01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.599 own area. This would have been a great place to 1126 01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:32.159 mention the obvious exemption of the Bishop of Rome. It's 1127 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.119 never mentioned Canon twenty five, and again Canon twenty eight 1128 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:40.239 of Nicia is contrary to the Roman Catholic scheme. Right, 1129 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:44.760 it says Constantinople is equal to Rome and all the privileges, 1130 01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:48.159 and it's number two because Rome is more is ancient, 1131 01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.400 and it's doubly Apostolic from Peter and Paul and by 1132 01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:55.960 tradition and custom. Right. So, in other words, Canon twenty 1133 01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.840 stistic Canon twenty eight shows that they were not assuming 1134 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.639 papal supremacy by silence. That's the key here. So all 1135 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.360 of these other canons are shown to be interpreted in 1136 01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.679 the sense that we mean it, because they included Canon 1137 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.000 twenty eight in here, which is against the papal view. 1138 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.920 So you can't argue that all these canons presupposed the 1139 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.039 papal view when Canon twenty eight shows that did not. 1140 01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:23.440 So Canon nineteen go ahead. 1141 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.119 Twenty eight is great because it also shows that the 1142 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.199 room and honest by being doubly apostolic. You know, like 1143 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.360 a lot of times, a lot of people for kids 1144 01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.039 that Paul actually came first. I going on to scripture, 1145 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.760 Paul came first, room, and this seat was doubly apostolic. 1146 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.760 And even if you look at early history and I 1147 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:44.960 think that you've got Ignatius of Antioch, you've got a 1148 01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:50.800 famous church historian ucpiusis area. We even stated that this 1149 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.440 is the second pope, the second perp forgot his. 1150 01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:02.960 Name as Cletus Climent and go like that, yeah. 1151 01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:10.159 Yeah, so Linus was actually named by Paul. So you 1152 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.000 have a pope which is you know, supposed to be 1153 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.840 the office of petron Line, which is in Pauline succession 1154 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:22.320 and apparently still held the charism of Peter, which is ridiculous. 1155 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.079 So and of course you know this canoners is that 1156 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:29.119 Rome is first, but is there equal Yeah, that means 1157 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.920 that means here clearly it's premacis. 1158 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.320 And what that shows the canon, the fact that Canon 1159 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:40.320 twenty eight is contrary to papalism and the papacy rejects 1160 01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.320 it shows that the rest of these canons cannot be 1161 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.079 presupposed to be Roman supremacy. That's the point. Canon twenty 1162 01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.159 five says the election of bishops is by the metropolitan, 1163 01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:55.280 not the best of Rome. Again the post first millennium, 1164 01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.519 the second millennium of Rome Catholicism. The pope approves all bishops. 1165 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.960 Yeah, and even bring that up saving shoots the stuff 1166 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.679 in the food because they they talk about the investitive crisis, 1167 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.880 which was about the pope not electing bishops. And yes, 1168 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:14.599 because there's some things that happened and then and these 1169 01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:18.039 crisis happened just right after after excuse him. 1170 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:22.920 Right, yeah exactly, because uh so, let's move to Trollo 1171 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:27.159 breaking up to to destroy their own arguments throughout the stream. 1172 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.760 It's just their whole stream was nothing but like things 1173 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.440 that undermine themselves, the pot calling the kettle black. Now 1174 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.920 Trollo is is, of course the synod that we accept 1175 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.800 as ecumenical, because it's eventually accepted at uh Nicea too. 1176 01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:43.079 All right, So now the Roman Catholics have had a 1177 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.480 change in their position right after Nicia to the Western 1178 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.800 Church accepted it, and then soon after I don't remember 1179 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.360 at the top I had which pope it was, but 1180 01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.400 one of the popes after uh Nicea too, I read 1181 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:57.239 out Jesuits, and not a crazy Jesuit, but a scholarly 1182 01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.599 book on this long time ago about how there was 1183 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:04.159 initially the acceptance of the Canons of Trollo and then 1184 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.760 later particularly in relationship to married clergy. The pope obviously 1185 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.039 later rescinded that because Trollo includes the famous Canon on 1186 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.800 married priests. But for a time the pope had accepted 1187 01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.599 the Trello canons, which because they're they're part of Nicia too, right, 1188 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:22.639 So when we look at Trollo, and by the way, 1189 01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.800 for us, for orthodox Trello is normative, right, it's it's ecumenical. 1190 01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:31.239 The first Canon, of course talks about the heretics that 1191 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.159 are condemned, and Honoreus is included in the heresiology as 1192 01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.920 a condemned heretic. Uh and they were condemned by the 1193 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.599 unanimous acknowledgment of the faithful that was revealed to the church. 1194 01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:46.320 They were synotically anathematized, universally considered to be anathematized, and 1195 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.599 that includes the Bishop of Rome here, So there's no 1196 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.639 They had no problem with the council condemning the pope, 1197 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:56.840 and for a time the Pope accepted the canons of Trollo. 1198 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.519 Canon two of Trollo says that it reaffirms the previous 1199 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.920 canons and understandings of the canons, and that they remain 1200 01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:09.079 in force. There's no mention of any new foundation or 1201 01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:13.480 Rome superseding or being the over riding foundation. And again 1202 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:18.079 Trollo shows that they understood the canons in our perspective, 1203 01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:25.000 because the Pope later rejects aspects of these canons in Trollo, 1204 01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:29.000 anything to. 1205 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:33.440 Say on that tonight, no no tutuis is really great. Also, 1206 01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:39.320 Trula is interesting because it shows that, you know, what 1207 01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:43.760 has become a mandatory celibacy in Rome evolved and originally 1208 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.519 so was condemned by Consul. You know, mandatory celibacy was 1209 01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:48.800 condemned by consulright. 1210 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:52.760 So Canon A explicitly permits men to be married before 1211 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.599 becoming ordained. This was the norm throughout the church. Now 1212 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.039 it's a discipline that became normative in the Latin Church, 1213 01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:01.800 but it was normative throughout the entire church back to 1214 01:08:01.840 --> 01:08:04.719 the time of the Apostles. So it's just ludicrous to 1215 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.119 introduce an innovation to make it mandated when the entire 1216 01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:12.840 church at this time accepted it as normative. It's just 1217 01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:14.480 it's it's a proof of innovation. 1218 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.199 Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about this. It also mentions, you 1219 01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:21.279 know that as you start to and get in practices 1220 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.720 that you know, resemble divorce. But we're going to make 1221 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.079 a whole part I believe in divorce and things. We're 1222 01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:27.159 gonna Yeah. 1223 01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.520 By the I'm gonna let me. I should cite the 1224 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.560 UBI article. I know you guys are going to do 1225 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:36.359 a a longer treatise on this, but uh, they did 1226 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.960 bring up the divorce. 1227 01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:42.960 I think we should develop it later those things they. 1228 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:44.880 Bring it up. So, but just for the sake of 1229 01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.720 people in the chat, because this always comes up. Here 1230 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:50.600 is a patristic Florida Jellium from Ubi Petris citing church 1231 01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:52.279 fathers on this matter. And by the way, the canon, 1232 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.479 this is another point that I've noticed, Uh, the canons 1233 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:59.920 of Saint Basil, which allow for divorce and remarriage, where 1234 01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.359 part of the Eastern Roman Catholic Church. So by their 1235 01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:07.239 own admission, since the East admitted this and allowed this, 1236 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.960 the Pope admitted and allowed this because there was one 1237 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:13.760 church allowing this for the first millennium. You see what 1238 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:14.039 I'm say. 1239 01:09:14.079 --> 01:09:16.319 Yeah, if it was wrong, when the pope correctness, I 1240 01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.840 thought it was to collect things exist. 1241 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:25.000 Okay, So Canon twenty one, I'll just real quickly go 1242 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:27.479 through the rest of these canons, Canon twenty one of Trollo, 1243 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:30.439 Canon twenty five, Canon thirty two, Canon thirty six, Canon 1244 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:36.560 fifty five, Canon eighty two, Canon ninety all post problems 1245 01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.520 for the Vatican one understanding being the case and true 1246 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.359 in the first millennium. When we come to Nicia two, 1247 01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:46.680 I'm gonna list the canons Canon one, Canon three, Canon ten, 1248 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:52.479 Canon eleven those are problematic. And then there are multiple 1249 01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.359 Apostolic canons which we still hold as normative, which these 1250 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:01.760 councils approve and prepare situate the Apostolic cannons. That's the 1251 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:06.560 thing is that the Apostolic canons are perpetuated and approved 1252 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:11.479 and Canon one five, fifteen, thirty three, thirty four, thirty five, 1253 01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.680 thirty nine, forty five, sixty four, seventy four, eighty one 1254 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:18.760 all are contrary to papal supremacy now in their church, 1255 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.399 in their mind, they don't care. You can throw all 1256 01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.119 of that in the trash. It doesn't matter because after 1257 01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:28.800 nineteen eight, well after the first millennium, the pope is 1258 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.039 basically the arbiter of canon law too. Right, everything switches 1259 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.359 to Rome now again. Notice how canon law in the 1260 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:40.359 first millennium is sonodle. After the schism, it's all papal 1261 01:10:41.640 --> 01:10:45.119 who changed the canon. So in nineteen seventeen they had 1262 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.560 the trad canon law, which by the way, the trads 1263 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:50.520 all follow the nineteen seventeen code. And then in nineteen 1264 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:53.880 eighty three John Paul updates the canon law to have 1265 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.600 a updated canon law, which by the way allows things 1266 01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.680 like communing with heretics and schismatics in extra stream cases 1267 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.439 or perhaps not in extreme cases. Even so, a lot 1268 01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:05.159 of the trads. If you're in Sata world, if you're 1269 01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:06.439 on a set of a contest, you know this. You 1270 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:08.960 know that you will appeal to the nineteen seventeen code 1271 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:13.199 because there's a change in community getting sacraments from heretics 1272 01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:17.920 and schismatics, which Flanders has to correct Marshall on. Marshall's like, 1273 01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.039 I wouldn't do it, and then he's like, well, actually 1274 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:22.359 you can according to canon law. So even between them 1275 01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:25.359 they don't even know what the romancalolicy position is. By 1276 01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.439 the way, it wasn't the pope supposed to solve these 1277 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.720 problems of where do I get communion? Where do I not? Oh, 1278 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.359 there's all these problems, Oh communion. We don't know who's 1279 01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:35.159 in communie with you. You don't even know if you 1280 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:38.279 could go receive communion from a heretic or not. Marshall 1281 01:11:38.279 --> 01:11:41.960 thinks you can't, Dode thinks you can. Who knows whether 1282 01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.960 you can or can't. And in the Roman Gallic world 1283 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:47.319 because the nineteen seventeen code right there, it was very 1284 01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.079 limited in the extreme cases. After a Kumenism in the 1285 01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:53.079 nineteen eighty three code. Oh, let's just do whatever you want, bro, 1286 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:57.000 pretty much right, pretty much? 1287 01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:59.800 Yeah, I just want to stress against it. Of course, 1288 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.279 all the things we're saying, you know, bring the you know, 1289 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.319 Orthodox position. There's another layer of problem for rom because, 1290 01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.159 of course, as the Union's acceptedles the unions accept the 1291 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:14.439 Apostolic is the Apostolic grade point the constitution. You know, 1292 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.039 if Rome in order to say that the Apostolic Constitution 1293 01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:20.720 and not valid, they will use atheistic argument, you know 1294 01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:23.840 from atheist scholars say oh, you know, it's actually quite 1295 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:27.119 too late texts. The latest paper found is this is 1296 01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:30.319 quite no, it's just tradition. You know, if I, if 1297 01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:32.720 I start using sort of arguments, you can't even use 1298 01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:35.079 your Bible. But you're saying that you have the Bible 1299 01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:39.760 because of tradition. So here another layer of dishonesty, another 1300 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.079 layer of contradiction in Rome. 1301 01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.600 Yeah, so he says, we have a fan, right, so 1302 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:48.399 I'm going to move on. We have a fantasy of union. Uh, 1303 01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:52.399 there's no real unity in in Orthodoxy because of the 1304 01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:56.880 metropolitan one metropolitan being out of union with another. Well, 1305 01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.840 then that would apply to your own church in the 1306 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.960 first millennium because of the any instances where one metropolitan 1307 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:03.800 or bishop was out of union with another and it's 1308 01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:08.359 later resolved by councils. So by your own standard, the 1309 01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:11.399 Roman Catholic Church for the first millennium had a false 1310 01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:13.760 fantasy of union. But in fact the order our church 1311 01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:16.399 is united. We have one creed, we have one faith. 1312 01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.880 We have the same canons that we follow, and we 1313 01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:22.079 have a canonical jurisdiction throughout the world, and we have 1314 01:13:22.279 --> 01:13:25.119 a single Eucharist that we participate. And we still fence 1315 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:27.560 the table from the Roman Catholic Church. No longer fences 1316 01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:29.399 the table. You can go to the bat I have 1317 01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:32.600 the countless friends who are atheists and they go to 1318 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.359 the Vatican. They walcome and get communion. Now, there may 1319 01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:38.680 be abuses of canons in the Orthodox Church, but typically speaking, 1320 01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:40.239 you don't do that. Like you can just walk up there. 1321 01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:42.039 Oh bro, I'm off the street. Bro give me that 1322 01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:44.800 wayfer dog ha ha. Look check it out, bro, got 1323 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:46.840 a wafer. I have friends that did that. They're like, well, 1324 01:13:46.840 --> 01:13:52.439 I brought back my wafer from from the from the Vatican. Bra. Yeah. 1325 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:54.920 Things that even have like eucharista servant. I don't know 1326 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.800 as they call it. It's a eucharistic minister. And they 1327 01:13:57.840 --> 01:13:58.399 can be women. 1328 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:01.000 Yeah, they have women and they have it's only alter 1329 01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:05.239 all kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah. So let's see. So 1330 01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:08.720 the accusation that there's a fantasy of union, uh totally 1331 01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:11.800 is undermined in the fact that they can't decide a 1332 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.000 Vatican two is true or. 1333 01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:18.720 Not the seven Consuls, So they say, oh, you can't 1334 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.319 even do them in your own consuls, can you? 1335 01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.520 Right? I think. 1336 01:14:24.319 --> 01:14:27.159 Is the exact example of what's. 1337 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.880 The what's the Amazon? So on? What's Vatican too? What 1338 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:30.800 are those right? 1339 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.520 Uh? Will they will say that, you know, he's the 1340 01:14:35.600 --> 01:14:37.840 final document in English, is not publisher. It's fine, and 1341 01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:43.039 I've heard it's the Vatican too. Vatican do itself said 1342 01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:45.840 stated it is an ecmmunical consul. If you look at 1343 01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.880 lum Gentium, it's it's like it's his title, Ecumunical Council 1344 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:53.000 with solent Magisterian dogmatic constitution. 1345 01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:56.039 And then then they misused the Paul the six quote. 1346 01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.119 Paul the Six did not say the council was not 1347 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:02.520 teaching authoritatively. He says that defined no new dogmas. Yeah, 1348 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:04.720 so what that doesn't mean it's not dogmatic. That's a 1349 01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.560 total trad myth. I was in trid world. I know 1350 01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.520 all the trade myths. I tried to use that one 1351 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.399 for a while when I went to the SSPX maths. 1352 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.279 Oh bro, we don't have to believe Vatican. Oh really, 1353 01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:15.000 you don't have to believe Vatican two. Have you ever 1354 01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:18.159 been to a Vatican two church. When the SSPX people 1355 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.000 when they reconcile to the Vatican, do you know what 1356 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:25.359 they have to accept Vatican two? You can't reconcile, would 1357 01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:29.279 not accept Vatican two. All the FSSP were made to 1358 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:32.199 accept Vatican two when they were reconciled out of the SSPX. 1359 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.199 Any SSPX person that goes back to Vatican, to the 1360 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:40.039 normative diocesan union, you have to accept Vatican two. Any 1361 01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.159 catechumen in the world who's brought into the Roman Catholic 1362 01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:48.119 ARCI program is taught Vatican two. The Pope himself has 1363 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:53.039 reiterated that Vatican two's reforms are magisterial and irreversible. Francis 1364 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:54.399 has said this multiple times. 1365 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.319 I've quoted that, Yeah. Some things that's great is that 1366 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.439 it would say that Vatican two doesn't add any new dogma, 1367 01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:08.279 but Zenza will proceed to reject Vatican too, because Marshall, 1368 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.520 by having this position, actually shows that there is something 1369 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.880 to be rejected, which means that there is something that, 1370 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.920 according to him, was added, was something new. 1371 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.720 What do you mean it doesn't so, yes, it's hundreds 1372 01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:22.680 of pages of dogmas. What are you talking about? Like, 1373 01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.119 it's not it's not dogma, it's not dogmatic, what actually 1374 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.960 it is? So this is double talk, this is sophistry. 1375 01:16:28.520 --> 01:16:30.039 And this is what happens when you get into the 1376 01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:31.920 world of rome caanthosis. This is what Tim is going 1377 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:33.479 to learn the hard way if he's if he's a 1378 01:16:33.600 --> 01:16:37.680 legitimate convert. Uh, he's going to learn this spiraling world 1379 01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:42.279 of mental gymnastics and craziness to where on the one hand, 1380 01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.760 the documents of Atticant two are called the dogmatic Constitution 1381 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.840 on the Church. There By the way, let's let's put 1382 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.319 something the rest really quick here. What is required in 1383 01:16:51.359 --> 01:16:54.199 the Roman Catholic system for something to be dogmatic. A 1384 01:16:54.199 --> 01:16:56.720 lot of them are confused and they think that it's uh, well, 1385 01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:59.399 the pope has to explicitly state that it's an infallible 1386 01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:02.319 extra ory. No, no, no, it's not the only thing that's. 1387 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.279 Required done like, it's never been done like this. If 1388 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:08.720 you look at pastor Atonis, it says actually the requirement say, 1389 01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:12.119 oh yeah, it's very high requirements. No like and everything 1390 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.840 says it's not except per it's the requirements are not 1391 01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:19.760 so hard to reach. It needs to be a revelation 1392 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:21.680 of a new doctrine of faith and morals, which is 1393 01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:25.199 already a huge spectrum. You know, lumin gentium covers covers 1394 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:29.920 that definitely covers the faith. There's another dogmatic incisions that 1395 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:34.279 covers a moral side. That's well, let's face. 1396 01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:36.960 Yeah, it's actually a condemn it's actually a condemn proposition, 1397 01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:38.920 for example, that you only have to hold to the 1398 01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:42.880 universal extraordinary magisterium. That's a condemn process. 1399 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:46.000 That's because several points. So it needs to be said 1400 01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:49.880 by by a pope, which is not really hot magestial authority, 1401 01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:54.279 you know, as. 1402 01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:56.359 It's enough, it's a is it faith and morals? Is 1403 01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.239 it related to faith and morals? Is it from the 1404 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:00.399 Sea of Peter? And is it for the whole church? 1405 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.119 That's all that's required it And it doesn't matter whether 1406 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.800 you it can fall under either extraordinary or ordinary. If 1407 01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:11.960 those three criteria are met, it can't be erroneous. So 1408 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:14.640 to call Vatican two, when it easily fits all three 1409 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.199 of those criterion not dogmatic is ridiculous. You have to 1410 01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:20.239 follow Vatican two, and everybody knows you have to follow 1411 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.439 Aatican two. So they're just lying to themselves and saying, well, 1412 01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:25.159 I don't have I personally I'm going to reject the acumenical. 1413 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.479 The pope has enforced this multiple popes for sixty plus years. 1414 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:33.159 You can't reject sixty plus years of papal ordinary magisterial teaching. 1415 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.439 Yeah. And something else that's great is that even okay, 1416 01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:38.199 let's admit for the sake of arguments that it's not 1417 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:43.319 it's not an ecomical council. You know, it will still 1418 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.520 fall under ordinary magisterium, and ordinary magisterium has to be followed. 1419 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:55.920 And I'm quoting here if a religious submission religious and yeah, docility, 1420 01:18:56.159 --> 01:18:59.520 And in pastor tourneys they say that if you if 1421 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:01.199 you go away from it, you go away from the 1422 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:05.159 truth of the Catholic Church. Uh, and you can lose 1423 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:07.680 faith and salvation because of it. Like you cannot go 1424 01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:14.239 away from this. Beout, you know, starting to loud, Everybody 1425 01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:16.960 who doesn't like poor Francis to just read past Atonis. 1426 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.399 It's it's five pages long, grobably less every Saint Roman 1427 01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.439 Catholics that have read this and know that it is 1428 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:27.039 a comenical and knows that it is infallible. H Like 1429 01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.760 I've seen many people apostatize because yes, this is actually 1430 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:33.399 this is not traditional at all. This is this is 1431 01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:38.680 a very very modernist take, a very you know, not 1432 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:43.600 in perils, but the absolutist take. If if you don't 1433 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:47.119 like poor friends, just read pasta Autonois because this is 1434 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:50.520 this is the rules you have to follow. Actually, you know, 1435 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:57.920 finally enough about this actually pushed secularism in the West 1436 01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:00.319 quite a bit, because of course, if you belong to 1437 01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:02.800 a nozenation, you have this man, you know, the poping 1438 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:06.960 rooms as the leader of a nozenation. Let's say that, no, 1439 01:20:07.279 --> 01:20:10.359 you have to follow, you have to follow faith models, 1440 01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:12.479 you have to follow decree, you have to follow all 1441 01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:15.439 the ordinary magisterium. It means that the pope can state 1442 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.199 a revolution whatever it wants in your country. And today 1443 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:20.279 you know, to an extent he's doing this is pushing 1444 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:23.920 for more migrants. It's a question. 1445 01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:27.199 Let me put this in the chat. Here is the 1446 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:31.239 full text of Vatican One, which hardly any of the 1447 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:33.720 treads have even read. For the most part, very few 1448 01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:36.039 of them have actually read. It's only ten pages. You 1449 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:37.800 ought to go read it, right, it's your most If 1450 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:40.119 the papacy is the most important doctrine, we can only 1451 01:20:40.119 --> 01:20:41.520 be saved by the papacy. You would think that the 1452 01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:45.159 Romancaolics would all know by heart Vatican One. Of course 1453 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:46.880 they haven't. But when you go read it, so there's 1454 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.039 the decree. And by the way, don't just read I'm 1455 01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:51.840 not trying to rebuke you snack, but don't just read 1456 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:54.359 Past Returners because Past Returners there is only two sections 1457 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:57.079 of Vatican One. If you read all the sections there, 1458 01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.119 and it's not that long, it's about ten pages, you 1459 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:01.680 will say that everything that we're saying is absolutely correct. 1460 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:04.560 You have to follow the Universal Ordinary Magisterial and you 1461 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:08.880 have to accept all of his juridical decisions and decrees. 1462 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:12.840 This is condemned. The idea trads, the idea that you 1463 01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.680 can reject the Holy Office, the Congregation of the Doctrine 1464 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.279 of the Faith, It's decisions, all any of the pontifical 1465 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:21.199 congregations and their decisions, any of the judgments and decrees 1466 01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:24.600 that you can pick and choose, that is condemned. In 1467 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:29.239 Denzinger sixteen eighty three, seventeen ninety two, sixteen ninety eight, 1468 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:33.239 all condemned that proposition, because that was the proposition that 1469 01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:36.359 all the modernists we're using to get around the papal 1470 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.840 statements at that time. You see, Ah, but here you 1471 01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:43.279 have it, the trap that now binds you to Frank. 1472 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:44.720 You can't get around Frank. 1473 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.640 Yep. Some things that's great is that they contradicts it 1474 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.159 so many times during the extreme And I'm going to 1475 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.920 give an example of you know, founders who say that 1476 01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:59.960 is absolutely not prideful you know yet yet actually said 1477 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:03.960 is that he is devoid of pride. He says, is 1478 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:08.199 devoid of pride, and that other people have different opinions 1479 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.760 than him because because they have pride. He says, it's 1480 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:13.920 like around twenty twenty thirty times we try to count 1481 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.760 something that's better that he says that, oh actually he's 1482 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.960 a cure for pride is submitting to the purp and 1483 01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:22.479 not asking questions. And what does he do if you 1484 01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:25.840 look at his Twitter, he says that we should pray 1485 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.159 for the intercession of the Corey dump tracks, even though 1486 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:31.359 the Pope made made an official statement saying that the 1487 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:34.560 Corey dump tracks is is foolishness. 1488 01:22:34.640 --> 01:22:36.039 Wow, that's a great point. 1489 01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:40.319 So so you know, like who's fight for her? Like 1490 01:22:41.159 --> 01:22:43.159 is it really an antidote to your pride? Because if 1491 01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:45.560 you're not smilding the pope and they say, oh no, 1492 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:47.800 actually we don't like you submit to the purpe. No, 1493 01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:52.600 not like this, Yeah, I mean that's the other your 1494 01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:56.680 not just herem So you're making no sense good addicting yourself. 1495 01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:59.640 The fact that Marshall does this is it worse because 1496 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:03.800 even World books, you know, suld just technically submit is 1497 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.319 a purb but not following is a magisterium, and as 1498 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:07.119 following is a pope. 1499 01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.359 All right, so I've got most of the major points hit. 1500 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:14.640 I mean, let's get to their their sort of crux, 1501 01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:16.159 and now I mean you're free to bring in any 1502 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:19.319 more points you want to. But one of the things 1503 01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.680 about economia that they bring up, I just want to 1504 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:24.239 point out the absurdity of the of the room. So 1505 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:26.319 they want to give all these emotional appeals. Allow allow 1506 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:29.640 me to do a little bit of a funny mock 1507 01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:31.640 because most of their what I'm going to do right 1508 01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:34.920 now is like the substance of their kind of approach. 1509 01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.319 So let's let's take a look at pre Vatican to 1510 01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:40.840 Moral Theology, one of the most famous books if you 1511 01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:42.680 were in the ssp X, if you were a trad 1512 01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:45.560 you probably have Canon Ripley's book from tens called This 1513 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:48.880 as the Faith. It's it's very popular. A lot of 1514 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.119 trads have read this book and refer to it. If 1515 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:55.239 you look at the section on page one about what 1516 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:58.640 constitutes a mortal sin on the Lord's Day, you have 1517 01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:05.359 lists of activity, okay, lists of activities that are servile work, 1518 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:16.560 and you have things like servile work would be plowing, sowing, harvesting, laundry, laundry, lawnmowing, cobbling, tailoring, printing, masonry, mines, 1519 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.479 and factory work. However, in some places there is the 1520 01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.960 custom of justifying knitting and crocheting, but it's also permitted 1521 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:26.720 to go walking, riding, driving, rowing, and journeying, even though 1522 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:30.319 even though these works can be fatiguing. Fatiguing, literary and 1523 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.520 artistic works are lawful even if they're done for money. However, 1524 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:36.439 servile work is forbidden even though it's done as a 1525 01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:39.079 form of recreation. For example, if you were to walk 1526 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:41.720 two and a half or three hours for some kind 1527 01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:44.960 of work and it was to become arduous, this would 1528 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.520 be mortal sin. So I found on Lord's Day this 1529 01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:52.000 is the most talmudic like crazy stuff ever in a 1530 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:56.039 normative Roman Catholic moral theology. This is why we don't 1531 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:58.920 have this problem, right, We didn't have to swing from 1532 01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:05.000 this insane ai autism of crazinessness level over to Vatican 1533 01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:08.079 to clown mass. Notice the pendulum swinging of the madness 1534 01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:11.680 in Rome. Catholicism of the extreme of this in this 1535 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:15.479 was written in nineteen fifty one, nineteen fifties. This is 1536 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.840 what your your your confessor would tell you in nineteen feet. 1537 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:21.720 Oh my child, my child, did you work? Did you walk? 1538 01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:23.800 Did you walk two hours? My child? 1539 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:26.119 Did you start sweating when you walk two hours? When 1540 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:27.880 you hit the when you hit the fifth mile of 1541 01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:29.960 the two hours of the walk, you lost all grace. 1542 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:30.279 Son. 1543 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.760 You're entering the fighters a hell once you hit once 1544 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:35.920 you hit the fifth mile, you're about to fall over 1545 01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:38.800 into Dunte's and Pheradom, My child, it's ridiculous. 1546 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:44.560 Yeah. Is this stan mudic? And again it's fairy setic 1547 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:50.439 And is this is good exactly? Yeah? If it follows 1548 01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:52.279 the text, you know it would have been, you know, 1549 01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:53.800 at the time of Christ on the side of the 1550 01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:54.680 Pharisees saying you know. 1551 01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:58.000 You can't hit grains on the habit. 1552 01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.119 Yeah, you know, in front of the adulterous wife. Yeah, yeah, 1553 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:06.680 you know you can. You can have too stole the 1554 01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:08.920 kind of Christ of where where is Jesus doing? Economy? 1555 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:09.760 Are you? 1556 01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:13.399 Now? This is I cite one crazy example. Uh, but 1557 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.000 by the way, that actually characterizes the Latin trad mindset. 1558 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.159 Like if you're in the trad say the world, you're 1559 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:25.119 characterized by that kind of obsessive, superstitious attitude. Actually, and 1560 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:26.439 a lot of o c D. Actually a lot of 1561 01:26:26.479 --> 01:26:30.479 people who are extremely excessive compulsive disorder people. I let, 1562 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:33.359 I met multiple SSPX priests, all of whom had actually 1563 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:37.000 to get counseling for their extreme OCD. So it's it's 1564 01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:39.840 actually a feature of that religion. There's something else weird 1565 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:42.800 going on there, This idea of you know, just like 1566 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.119 if I sneeze during the Mass, I'm damned, it's a 1567 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.479 mortal sin. The mass is not valid. Just crazy stuff 1568 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.359 like that, But it's an attitude. 1569 01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:54.640 Of, yeah, that everything needs to be tidy nosed. Is 1570 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.119 it called the church a mess? No? Church is traditionally 1571 01:26:57.159 --> 01:27:00.800 to evolve, it evolves this way that we involved in 1572 01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:02.600 dogma or anything. But if you look at all the 1573 01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:05.600 churches organized, it's it's been it's been organizing, it's been 1574 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:08.359 organized this way. And of course, you know, economia is 1575 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:11.880 essentral to this because at some point the the application, 1576 01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:17.479 the very application of the canonman actually go against the 1577 01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.920 first idea of the canon. That's why it's brought up. 1578 01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:22.279 That's why it's it's it's even in the Bible. That's 1579 01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.920 why it's the one thing to be very very tidy, 1580 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:28.680 very very understandable. And you know you're just doing loawyering. 1581 01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:30.720 If you look at early Church, it's not about lowering. 1582 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:34.960 People are making some level of concession. And here you're 1583 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:38.239 you're like, even so a graph about salvation there, the 1584 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.800 graph about salvation. It looked like a board game, you know, 1585 01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.920 like the float shot. 1586 01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:46.920 Chart from like Final Fantasy with hit points and all 1587 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:47.880 kinds of crazy stuff. 1588 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.479 Yeah, it looks like an RPG. And you know you 1589 01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:53.399 can get new This kind of indulgence is by praying 1590 01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:58.199 it this time turns this way. In this church. This 1591 01:27:58.319 --> 01:28:00.600 is not it's working. You know, there's not being mystical 1592 01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:05.720 here says nothing. It's it's it's a. 1593 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:09.239 Weird it's a weird obsession with a legalistic spirit exactly. 1594 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.800 And Vatican two is partly a reaction to that. That's 1595 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:16.279 what I'm trying to stress is that is that part 1596 01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.000 of what's going on here is a reaction to that. 1597 01:28:18.039 --> 01:28:23.000 So Taylor Marshall was mad about economia and oh, I 1598 01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:26.319 think Forrancis is actually bringing a gnomia into the church 1599 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.600 or the dogs. It's a conspiracy. Francis is a secretly 1600 01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:34.079 or the dogs right with his with his gravel voice. 1601 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:37.960 But what I'm trying to say is that that we 1602 01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:40.760 didn't have that problem because we understood that you can't 1603 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.159 have a one size fits all answer to every single 1604 01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:45.199 moral problem. And that was the problem of the Pharisees. 1605 01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:48.479 So economia is the bishop making the decision. How do 1606 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:51.439 you think the church and the first millennium operated through 1607 01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:54.239 the local bishop making the decision. You can't ask the 1608 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.159 pope to solve all the problems in the ancient world. 1609 01:28:57.279 --> 01:28:59.760 He's a thousand miles away. How's he going to solve? 1610 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.439 Think things? As a canon and I see as it 1611 01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:06.760 states that like you know knows this, Penancey's like, oh 1612 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:08.159 you do this, you gets this, you know, it's like 1613 01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:12.319 a menu things is something you know, like even criticizes 1614 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.279 that just what you do, what you priest does. Yeah, 1615 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:17.920 this is a canon. But he says that Penance needs, uh, 1616 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:20.840 like you need to understand the independance. It needs to 1617 01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.720 be in accordance to the penitent. You know. That's why 1618 01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:24.079 I mean. 1619 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:28.319 This is actually this is they will actually cite that 1620 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:31.359 in their proofs of how indulgence is developed. They'll actually 1621 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:35.159 admit they'll say, well, indulgences are because in the early Church, 1622 01:29:35.239 --> 01:29:37.640 if you would committed a serious sin and you were uh, 1623 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.119 you were refraining from the table for six years, if 1624 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:43.760 the bishop gave you that long of a penance, he 1625 01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:46.079 could also if he saw that you were truly contrite, 1626 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:49.520 he could remove that temporal punishment of six years or 1627 01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:51.680 whatever that was that was laid upon you from coming 1628 01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:54.359 to the Eucharist. And so therefore that's how they they 1629 01:29:54.359 --> 01:29:56.560 will argue this in their apologetic That's how they will say, 1630 01:29:56.600 --> 01:29:59.159 oh see, now we have the ability to remove any 1631 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:01.560 kind of temporal and it just turns into this giant 1632 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:06.000 like algorithm equation scheme, which is ludicrous and crazy. 1633 01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:11.319 Economy. So we have canons that they teach economy in 1634 01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:13.760 the in the early consuls, and they tell you not 1635 01:30:14.079 --> 01:30:17.239 to be aspered about about the canonical law. 1636 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:18.720 And by the way, all we have to do to 1637 01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:21.159 refute that stupid argument is just appeal to the Uniates 1638 01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:23.439 once again, because the Uniates will operate just like we do. 1639 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:30.079 Yeah. Yeah, so he uses this for re baptism and christnation. 1640 01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:31.640 Here we talk about this. 1641 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:34.479 I do want to touch on that real quick, because 1642 01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:36.600 he said that we don't see that in the councils. 1643 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:42.079 Uh really really so? Uh So Canon eight of Nicia, 1644 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.600 what does Canon aid of Nicia do well? It has 1645 01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:49.319 different It has certain specifications based on the case for 1646 01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:53.079 how to receive schismatic bishops back into the church. So 1647 01:30:53.399 --> 01:30:56.479 it's not universal in all cases. In all situations, how 1648 01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:00.560 even a bishop would be received from schism back into 1649 01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:04.000 the Orthodox Church. And in this case, in Cannonade of Nicea, 1650 01:31:04.600 --> 01:31:07.119 they can be received in a way that's different in 1651 01:31:07.199 --> 01:31:10.239 other cases. Right, where's cannonadd And I see, I was 1652 01:31:10.239 --> 01:31:14.199 gonna read it. It reads that the schismatic novationists can 1653 01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:24.760 be received. I'm way off. It says con concerning those 1654 01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.920 who call themselves Cathari, that's not the medieval Cathari. These 1655 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.560 are novationists right. And by the way, some tried this 1656 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:35.560 week said that they that I think Cathari might be Orthodox. 1657 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:35.680 No. 1658 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:37.479 I made a video they gun one hundredousand views and 1659 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.119 the cathari were stupid heretics. There were Gnostics in the 1660 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:43.039 Middle Ages. If they can't if these purists, these are 1661 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:44.880 the purest and novationists, if they came over to the 1662 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.960 Catholic Church and absolute, the Catholic absolute Church, this great 1663 01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:51.399 and holy centered Icia decrees that they who are or ordained, 1664 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.479 should continue as they are in clergy. But if they, 1665 01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:58.199 before all things necessary, that they should be professed in writing, 1666 01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.479 that they observe and follow the dogmas of our Church, 1667 01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:03.439 and then they will not commune persons who have been 1668 01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:08.520 twice married commune with persons who are trice twice married. 1669 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:10.640 I think it's somehot digamy. And with those who have 1670 01:32:11.079 --> 01:32:15.039 lapsed in persecution and have had a period of penance, 1671 01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:18.319 so you could actually relax the period of penance. 1672 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:21.920 Yeah, somethings. That's great. Also with the canons against the 1673 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:25.680 cath right. So you know, it's where the Gnostic says 1674 01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:29.680 you you've got the council of Gangra, which is accepted 1675 01:32:29.680 --> 01:32:33.439 a chemical council, and that that shows that you you 1676 01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:38.279 are anathema if you believe that receiving if you believe 1677 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:41.000 that receiving the Eucharist from the hand of a married priest. 1678 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.520 Is makes it dirty, and it's a great segue for 1679 01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.239 it for the next part because you know, after bringing Conomia, 1680 01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:53.119 of course they are they are talking about about divorce 1681 01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:59.199 and stuff like this. So to court martial it says that, oh, 1682 01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:03.239 we are blushing when when we talk about divorce, really 1683 01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:06.199 because it seems like there is a there is a 1684 01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.800 tradition here. It seems that so first of all, I'm 1685 01:33:09.800 --> 01:33:12.199 going to cover everything that relates to the priest stood 1686 01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:16.079 when it comes to divorce. So he says that, oh, yeah, 1687 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:18.920 we're important loose morality. Actually know, if you look at 1688 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.199 a father to that, Tournam has a great talk on 1689 01:33:21.279 --> 01:33:25.600 Roman Catholicism that mentions this. If you look at Nicia, 1690 01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:29.279 it states that a priest cannot live with with several 1691 01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:32.479 women in this house, but that that does not include 1692 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:36.079 his wife. And actually is they were talks about maybe 1693 01:33:36.399 --> 01:33:41.319 restricting this like you're making you know, cilbism monetary at Nicia. 1694 01:33:41.760 --> 01:33:44.960 And it's actually a father of the desert who came 1695 01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:51.680 forward and said that no, by doing this, you would 1696 01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:55.640 set yourself to a higher standard than the apostles themselves. 1697 01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:58.239 So we were part of tradition that even suggested that 1698 01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:02.439 the apostle remains married, you know, remain married, which actually 1699 01:34:02.560 --> 01:34:05.960 was you know, his confirmed some apocalyphone which talks about 1700 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:15.479 divine Apostle Peter preaching with his wife. He states that, yeah, monetaries, 1701 01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:24.039 clerical celibacy fosters a great a great missionary spirit, which 1702 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:26.279 is realicuous because we're going to talk about this later, 1703 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:30.720 because he goes on full it makes really bad argument 1704 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:35.760 like prosperity gospel tire, but he says it fosters a 1705 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:39.560 great missionary spirit. And then then he quotes, then he said, 1706 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.960 we converted the Barbarians, you know, before greater missionary spirits. 1707 01:34:43.039 --> 01:34:46.560 If you look at it, you know the only barbarian 1708 01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:50.119 tribes that converted to to to you know the United 1709 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:53.720 Church where the Franks and the Franks in their first 1710 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:57.359 counsul some years after being converted, they even make a 1711 01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:03.199 cannon stating that, uh so it's the concept of audience 1712 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:08.079 five five eleven for everybody was stating that at least 1713 01:35:08.079 --> 01:35:11.520 the king needs to approve anybody joining the clergy unless 1714 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:15.560 there are sons of clergy, which shows that you know, 1715 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:20.000 the guys who we eventilize the Franks were actually married. 1716 01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:22.760 We're having wives. We're going to talk about the Franks 1717 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:28.199 industries or papers in part. So this is about clerical celebacy. 1718 01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:30.600 Even today they will admit that they they expanded on 1719 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:34.760 it is the easy added, you know, just like the Pharisees. Again, 1720 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:37.600 you know, burdens that are very hard to to hold. 1721 01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:39.600 I'm not going to comment on the pedofile stuff, but 1722 01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.840 you know about the pedophile stuff. Then he brings up 1723 01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:48.720 divorce itself, the Orthodox and blushing when you bring up divorce. No, again, 1724 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.399 we follows the low You mentioned the canon of puzzle 1725 01:35:51.600 --> 01:35:55.359 about about divorce, and they said, oh, you know, we 1726 01:35:55.479 --> 01:35:57.119 we don't know divorce. 1727 01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:02.319 They cite some Greek obsc your Kansas St. Basil. Really 1728 01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:04.039 nobody's heard of him. Who's that? 1729 01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:08.399 Yeah, And even even like when he starts talking about this, 1730 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:15.279 actually frienders on him, saying, oh yeahs a, yeah, there's 1731 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:17.239 a there's a pope who said you can remarry if 1732 01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:19.720 one of the spouse is dead. It's already kind of 1733 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.680 contracted in like Marveles to do a double takes what 1734 01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:27.359 a pos it is of course. Yeah, yes, actually there's 1735 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:30.399 a there's a purpose. We said, we said this, I. 1736 01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.039 Think you or you put that in the message, and 1737 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:35.319 he was like walking you as fast as liking. 1738 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:39.760 I twated another purpose. So this is what's about, you know, 1739 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:44.399 remarriage of dead spouse if the spouse is dead, which 1740 01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:46.560 you know, which already contracts the ideas that your marriages 1741 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:49.359 is turtle, and so it's going to be broken. Yeah, 1742 01:36:49.479 --> 01:36:52.279 you know are you aren't you engaged in adult three? 1743 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:54.159 Well once you have to to wipe in the heaven 1744 01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:58.079 if you do this according to your own standards. So yes, 1745 01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:01.600 that's a that's a problem. And I brought up another 1746 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:06.079 canon by Pope Perpugenius to a second as a council 1747 01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:08.239 of Rome. So this is a purple the consul defining 1748 01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:11.520 a doctor for by the way, Eugene is a second 1749 01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:15.439 as a council of frobe In in eight twenty six 1750 01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:20.119 says that you can actually divorce for adultery, you know, 1751 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:25.720 which is biblical and remarriage. So you're not following the purple. 1752 01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:29.239 Of that, by the way, I love this. Yeah, I'm 1753 01:37:29.239 --> 01:37:29.680 not saying it. 1754 01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:34.520 Didn't address it. I still want my money back. You 1755 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:38.920 owe me to two euros. So he says that, yes, 1756 01:37:39.479 --> 01:37:41.079 so he says it's about divorce. So no, we do 1757 01:37:41.159 --> 01:37:44.279 not blush. We just we just follow. If you look 1758 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:46.720 at so then it brings up you you can have 1759 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:50.600 four marriage and real marriages, you know, if you look 1760 01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:54.439 at it. I've never never seen it being being put 1761 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:59.800 into effect. I've never met anybody. We we are ower marriage. 1762 01:38:00.039 --> 01:38:03.199 It's a ceremony of free marriage is actually very it's 1763 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:03.760 a repentance. 1764 01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:07.119 Random claim he says from my and Orf Like, oh, 1765 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:09.720 Myndorf one time said that there's four marriages. Well you 1766 01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.800 didn't source it. Maybe he did, but who cares? Like like, 1767 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:15.000 I've never heard that. I've never seen that. Who when 1768 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:16.520 when has this actually happened? Right? 1769 01:38:17.079 --> 01:38:20.039 Yeah, we we we have rules that says that you know, 1770 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:23.640 of course your marriage can fail and that doesn't mean 1771 01:38:23.640 --> 01:38:25.760 you have to become a monk because your marriage failed, 1772 01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:30.359 because it will be arbitrary again, which you know. But 1773 01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:32.079 but I think we've been a kind of to say, 1774 01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:36.000 you know, when you're married two times, it's already it's 1775 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:37.159 it's already almost settled. 1776 01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:42.000 Yeah, the canonical there's like restrictions on it and gets 1777 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:46.199 more and more kind of restricted in terms of how 1778 01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:49.199 it's viewed. Yeah, I don't. I think those arguments are 1779 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:51.520 really terrible and disingenuous when they when they try to 1780 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.439 do the moral gotchas. I mean, come on, dude, as 1781 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:57.159 a Roman Catholny, you can't be playing any moral gotchas 1782 01:38:57.199 --> 01:38:59.920 on anybody else with all of the nonsense of the 1783 01:39:00.039 --> 01:39:03.760 pedos and Franks, clown masses and puppet masses and all 1784 01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:07.079 this gibberish. Uh. And at the same time, when you 1785 01:39:07.159 --> 01:39:09.399 admit that all the things that you attack us for 1786 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:12.199 are in the Eastern Church that you believe as part 1787 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:14.159 of the Roman Collity Church for the first million, for 1788 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:16.880 the first millennium, So you're just you're just undermining your 1789 01:39:16.880 --> 01:39:19.119 own argument and your own church every time you do that. 1790 01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:19.720 It's stupid. 1791 01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:23.640 Yeah. Undivorced, you know, it seems to take a job 1792 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:26.359 at this. I'm going to take a job too. There 1793 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:29.600 are annulment, which is just a joke. 1794 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:32.039 Everybody knows, even the trads no annments or jokes. 1795 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.720 Yeah. So annulment is great because it says that it's 1796 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:39.039 not a divorce. It's in all effects, it's a divorce, 1797 01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:43.479 but it's just showing that it's the sacrament never happened. 1798 01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:46.359 First of all, you can have as many an elements 1799 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:51.319 as you want, because technically went married, which is IPO critical. 1800 01:39:51.640 --> 01:39:54.840 And something that's interesting is that what happens to whatever 1801 01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:57.279 happened to your marriage, if you know if it failed, 1802 01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:00.960 what happens to it, does it mean that you know best? 1803 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.720 It does? It means that you know if your marriage fels, 1804 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:05.600 it just means that you were never married. It just 1805 01:40:05.640 --> 01:40:13.039 sounds like shreddingers adult three. You just you just can't 1806 01:40:13.039 --> 01:40:13.920 know whether you've been married. 1807 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.720 And the trads even bitch about the fact that annulments 1808 01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:19.319 are like there's a zillion annulments everywhere in the novasorto, 1809 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:22.239 and it's abused all the time. And oh, but by 1810 01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:24.640 the way, we have a legality point by which they 1811 01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:26.800 again they're doing the exact same thing as the Pharisees, 1812 01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:28.960 like we are better than you because we have a 1813 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:32.960 legality that allows us to have a uh, the appearance 1814 01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:35.199 of moral superiority over you when you do the exact 1815 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:37.039 same things in your and your worst. There's high there's 1816 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:40.760 higher rates of divorce amongst them than there are per capita, 1817 01:40:41.119 --> 01:40:44.039 even amongst Orthodox Supposedly Lewis had quotes on that, and 1818 01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:46.279 y'all stream, by the way, everybody, if you don't if 1819 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:49.359 you want more than our stream. Go listen to uh David. 1820 01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:51.199 They touched on a lot of points that I'm not 1821 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:53.079 touching on, that we're not touching on. But David the Mill, 1822 01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:57.199 the real Medwhite. I'll link him and uh snack and 1823 01:40:57.279 --> 01:41:02.239 Lewis's stream below here a little bit. But Throadinger is adultery. 1824 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:03.199 That's hilarious. 1825 01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:06.680 Yeah. Something that's great also is that you know annulment 1826 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:08.960 is not only a moral problem, because you know, there's 1827 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:11.880 more grounds for annulments and for divorce. You know, basically 1828 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:16.079 is even in the Catechism of Flirt of Moscow, its 1829 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.119 list it makes a list of of what what can 1830 01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:22.199 you know be a basis for divorce, It boils down 1831 01:41:22.199 --> 01:41:25.600 to two points, really, you know, which is. 1832 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:27.640 How many times can you get an old They have 1833 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:32.560 infinite allowance you could conceivably be uh annulled and an 1834 01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:34.279 infinite number of times. 1835 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:38.520 Yeah. So the filler, the Cateochicism of Filirt of Moscow 1836 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:41.640 states that basically you have it boiled into two points, 1837 01:41:41.680 --> 01:41:46.199 really adultery and one person being in imminent danger of death. 1838 01:41:46.319 --> 01:41:50.880 So you know, which is again understandable and it's it's 1839 01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:53.399 perfectly acceptable economy unless you have to say that a 1840 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:56.199 wife as a sacramental duty, you know, to let children 1841 01:41:56.279 --> 01:41:59.000 being infected by a contagious disease or being bidden up 1842 01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:01.520 by a drunk husband, which would make you a very 1843 01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:04.800 sill right. Uh. Something else is that annulment bring up 1844 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:08.039 a real theological problem and for people are so you know, 1845 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:12.319 in love if if the great Saints in Augustine, we're 1846 01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:16.399 going to touch on that again. You're creating donatism because 1847 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:19.640 by having you know, by having an aulement, if your 1848 01:42:19.640 --> 01:42:23.880 marriage fails, it means that that you don't you don't 1849 01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:26.479 have sacramental certainty because you know, in order to do 1850 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.880 this you also have to resort to to to prost 1851 01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.920 and thinking, oh, actually the ministers of of these sacraments 1852 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:37.199 is not the priest. It's it's espouses. But you know, 1853 01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:40.479 isn't it one of the sacraments that the priest can do. 1854 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.279 Isn't one of the seven sacraments of the church. That 1855 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:46.439 means that everybody can perform sacraments? Yeah, just like the 1856 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:51.279 person and think, so, yes, you're creating donatism. You you 1857 01:42:51.279 --> 01:42:53.279 you you treat you you tell you tell you that 1858 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:57.720 you're prestant and you're you're you're thinking like a perstant 1859 01:42:57.720 --> 01:42:59.800 you know, the keys are to to bind and and bind. 1860 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:02.399 A priest can reasonably be the fruct The priest can 1861 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:07.600 reasonably barrow you from the Eucharist or the bishop in 1862 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:11.079 that case, the same thing can be done with marriage. 1863 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:13.319 So we do not blush. We are just consistent. You 1864 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:15.960 actually are worse, and you try to hide it, which 1865 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:22.960 makes it even worse. Then then talk about contraception. Uh 1866 01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:25.880 we talk about this in the industry with David as well. 1867 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.119 If you, if you alders to the same stand that 1868 01:43:30.159 --> 01:43:33.479 as you are. First of all, you allow it right now. 1869 01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:37.279 The unit's a lot of stuff right now. And and 1870 01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:40.079 you know, just because you do natural family planning doesn't 1871 01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:42.720 mean that it is not a form of contraception. It 1872 01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:50.239 is going against against natural law, you know. Yeah, uh yeah. 1873 01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:54.560 Also, I wanted to cite uh octorum f day. I 1874 01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.680 meant to cite this earlier, which is this condemning the 1875 01:43:57.720 --> 01:44:03.680 center of Pistoia the jansen Us, because actually oxworn Fide 1876 01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:07.479 condemns the make sure this is a whole document here 1877 01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:11.239 before I put it up. It actually condemns the SSPX 1878 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:19.520 trad position not just on certain sacraments, but on any 1879 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:23.239 of the sacraments because it condemned the proposition that the 1880 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:27.640 Roman Sea can give defective rights to the Church at all. 1881 01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:30.640 You cannot believe or hold that the Roman Sea has 1882 01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:34.479 promulgated defective rights, because that would undermine all of the 1883 01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:39.920 sacramento unity that the Romancy is supposed to provide. And 1884 01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.359 it was actually the Jansenists, the Synotopustoia, which was arguing 1885 01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:47.000 that the Roman Sea had made errors and had given 1886 01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:52.239 defective rights and the liturgy should be in the vernacular, 1887 01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:54.199 et cetera, et cetera. And the reason I bring that 1888 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:57.279 up is that all of the trads are mad about 1889 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.279 all of the sacraments after Vatican Two. It's not just 1890 01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:05.760 it's not just the sacrament of the Mass and the 1891 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:08.119 Latin Mass, and whether the words are valid the words 1892 01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:11.399 of Institution, which you know, the decrees after Trent say 1893 01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:15.399 that you have to use the there's a specific valid form, 1894 01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:17.920 right And then the whole argument is that the New 1895 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:21.239 Mass changes that by using the word for all and 1896 01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:24.920 not for many. And so every trad knows about that dispute, 1897 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.600 right well. The problem is that the more consistent the 1898 01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:31.560 trads got, they also got into having problems with the 1899 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:35.119 other sacraments right, So then the priestly right of ordination 1900 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:38.840 becomes a problem, and you get people writing order of Melchizedic. 1901 01:45:38.880 --> 01:45:40.680 I think Michael Davies has a book on that, and 1902 01:45:41.399 --> 01:45:44.560 people analyzing and pointing out how the Novasorto when it 1903 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:46.640 did the new right for ordination of priests, it's very 1904 01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:50.640 similar to Anglicanism. But if Leo the thirteenth had infallibly 1905 01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:53.840 condemned Anglican ordinations, then it becomes a problem. And that's 1906 01:45:53.880 --> 01:45:58.159 where you get the trads who start doubting ordinations for 1907 01:45:58.640 --> 01:46:01.399 post Vatican to priests or whatever. Right now, I'm not interested. 1908 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:03.960 I don't really care about the bunch of squabbles anymore. 1909 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:07.319 I'm not involved in that world. What I'm trying to say, though, 1910 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:10.920 is that all of these sacraments underwent the seven Sacraments 1911 01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:15.720 underwent revision, and so it doesn't matter whether you say 1912 01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:18.039 that whether you have a problem with with one or 1913 01:46:18.079 --> 01:46:21.920 all of the changes in the in the revised sacraments. 1914 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:28.239 Octorum fide dogmatically condemns the idea, and this condemns all 1915 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:31.279 the trads by extension who aren't set of a contest. 1916 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:35.960 It condemns the idea that the Roman Sea can promulgate 1917 01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:39.399 defective in any sense rights for the whole church, and 1918 01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:42.159 most of the trads ultimately end up saying that the 1919 01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:46.439 texts themselves, the new rights themselves, are defective. Now, not 1920 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:48.840 every trad says that. You got some that say, oh, well, 1921 01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:51.319 we can reconcile Attican two with everything before it, but 1922 01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:53.119 most of them are getting they get to the point 1923 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:55.119 where they're honest themselves, and they're like, this doesn't work. 1924 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:59.760 Mortelium animals cannot be reconciled with Attican two, right, I mean, 1925 01:46:59.760 --> 01:47:01.760 they're totally, they're totally nine day and then and then 1926 01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:04.279 we get Pacha Mama. Right. Obviously it's a different faith, 1927 01:47:04.319 --> 01:47:06.880 it's a different thing. But again I'm just trying to 1928 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:08.680 stress that if you're gonna be honest with yourself, you're 1929 01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:11.840 gonna be honest with what's in Denzinger, right, the dogmas 1930 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:13.920 that you have to hold as a Roman Catholic if 1931 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:16.600 you go back to something like actorm fide, which actorn 1932 01:47:16.640 --> 01:47:19.680 Fide is in here the condemned propos One of those 1933 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:22.880 condemned propositions is that the Roman Sea can give defective 1934 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:24.239 rights at all. 1935 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:29.600 Yeah, just just a quick side note on the use 1936 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.119 of vernacular. You see a lot of treads that, you know, 1937 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:36.520 things that Latin is superior, and actually they do by. 1938 01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:40.399 A magical thing where if they cite the Lord, the 1939 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:42.640 our Father in Latin, as if that's going to impress 1940 01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:44.760 everybody in wow. Then because I saw a triad the 1941 01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:47.760 other day saying that Latin burns the demons greater if 1942 01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:51.840 you say if you say it in Latin. Yeah, so 1943 01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:55.239 literal Hollywood, right, like the excessist Hollywood. 1944 01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:58.600 Level for yes, also saying that you know it's a 1945 01:47:58.600 --> 01:48:03.880 magical language, saying that you're comparing all high masses depending 1946 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.359 on you know, if you're using Latin or not. This 1947 01:48:06.439 --> 01:48:08.720 is exactly worshiping a language, and this is you know, 1948 01:48:09.119 --> 01:48:10.520 we're going to right. 1949 01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:12.239 And that's what you get in the whole. A lot 1950 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:14.239 of the mindset of the troad world is magic. It's 1951 01:48:14.279 --> 01:48:17.800 like God is a technology that I'm forcing into doing 1952 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:21.239 my will through. If I perform this ritual perfectly in 1953 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:23.119 the in the mass, and if I say the words right, 1954 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:25.199 and if I don't sneeze during the mass and commit 1955 01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:28.079 a moral sin by sneezing, then I can conform God 1956 01:48:28.119 --> 01:48:29.039 to doing what I want. 1957 01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:32.920 Yeah, and you see this very pocritical, you know, attack 1958 01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:37.119 on vernacular, saying your Latin is superior. It needs to 1959 01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:38.960 be like it, it needs to be Latin. It's not 1960 01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:42.479 a mass. I've seen someone you know, literally being idologious 1961 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:46.760 towards this language by saying that the Elder of Ages 1962 01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:51.439 is a treatent in Latin Mass. She's ridiculous. And that's 1963 01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:54.119 also on the trilenty Latin Mass very quick at nine 1964 01:48:54.239 --> 01:48:59.760 minutes minutes, Clander says, I cannot be a proestant because 1965 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:03.840 because I can't, I can't just do worship like like 1966 01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:06.359 like it was done like a worship, a way of 1967 01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:09.319 worshiping that was created five hundred years ago. This can 1968 01:49:09.359 --> 01:49:11.359 be applied to the turn to Latin Mass. It's it's 1969 01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:13.920 oppressed that inspired mass to to to an extent it 1970 01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:15.920 was done the concept of twenty, which condemned press and 1971 01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:17.840 to an extent that it was also you know, lightened. 1972 01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:22.680 It contradicted to precedent mass and stuff like this. We're 1973 01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:26.800 going to ritualism into these is use of of of Latin. 1974 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:31.680 The idea that Latin is a super language is is ridiculous. 1975 01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:33.920 These ideas that you need to centralize everything on Latin 1976 01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:36.000 ex actually doing the work of the anti crest again 1977 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:38.319 by trying to to to to create you know, what 1978 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:41.800 is given mystically and divenly. You know, with the glossalalia, 1979 01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:46.359 the speaking in tongues uh and doing doing it politically, 1980 01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:51.199 you're just recreating the bubble. Bubble was destroyed because because 1981 01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:54.800 for for for this reeason as well. So that's that's 1982 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:56.960 very good. They also create. You know, this criticism of 1983 01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:01.359 vernacular is is also you know, totally forgetting the early 1984 01:50:01.840 --> 01:50:06.439 the early history, because what is the you know, most Bible, 1985 01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:10.159 it's a vulgate. Why is it called vulgate because it's 1986 01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:14.000 a vernacular? If if if the Mass was performed in Latin, 1987 01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:16.920 is because it's it was a vernacular in the first place. 1988 01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.840 And you cannot say that, you know, performing in vernacular 1989 01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:21.960 is bad or has heresy because you have says that 1990 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:25.279 are literally saints, because they even invented vernacular the same 1991 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:28.960 Curly and Sine Methodius who invented the Glagolitics script which 1992 01:50:29.039 --> 01:50:33.800 later became the Slavonic. All Slavic languages are saints because 1993 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:37.000 of this. So you're just denying you want saint, you 1994 01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:41.960 won't church again talking about the Mass I'm just gonna 1995 01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:46.359 you know, just for the ritualist, I'm just gonna quote 1996 01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:54.199 what Fortesque Roman Catholic story that is thatwards the rites 1997 01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:59.560 for the Catholic Encyclopaedia. Right in under the entry Liturgy 1998 01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.520 of the Mass, it says that the liturgy of the 1999 01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:07.479 Mass that existed in its earliest form in the Roman 2000 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:11.199 Mass as witnessing, justin Martyr's second century account, is of 2001 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:15.399 Eastant time. So you know, just just to remind you, no, 2002 01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:19.600 there is no supremacy in in the masses, no supremacy 2003 01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:22.640 instead of like this in any way you have to 2004 01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:26.600 accept all of masses because of the units. Anyway, that 2005 01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.880 was just a quick side note on languages also, you know, uh, 2006 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:33.079 this worship of languages is idolization of languages. You can 2007 01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:36.640 see it up here in in other you know, Protestants 2008 01:51:36.720 --> 01:51:39.439 like you have the Protestants Baptists who will worship the 2009 01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:40.399 Bible itself, things that. 2010 01:51:41.159 --> 01:51:43.479 We just read the Great they won't magically. 2011 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:48.319 Not yeah, KGV onlyst you know, even Islam. You know 2012 01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:50.479 they say, oh, if you don't head in Arabic, it 2013 01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:52.880 doesn't work. They do the same thing. So at the 2014 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:58.039 first minute or engaging in idolatry. They don't speak Latin, 2015 01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:01.239 but the Latin Church like we both in a relationships 2016 01:52:01.600 --> 01:52:04.439 two talk in Russia. Do we do we do Slavinic thing? No, 2017 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:06.359 because it's not. 2018 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:12.079 Right. It's always it should always be vernacular for the audience. 2019 01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:15.399 I want to read real quick quote from Emal's in 2020 01:52:15.439 --> 01:52:18.920 the Chat st Emil, but his analysis of their stream 2021 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:21.000 was great when I think he summarized it well. He said, 2022 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:23.640 the Roman Catholic Church that these trads belong to is 2023 01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:27.039 like an idealized platonic form that only exists in their mind. 2024 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:30.560 It does not correspond to the actual external world in 2025 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:33.359 any meaningful way. This is how their devotion and submission 2026 01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:37.920 to this imaginary church is an exercise of humility, supposedly 2027 01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:40.199 on the one hand, right and at the same time, 2028 01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:43.680 they have the ability to disregard anything that the that 2029 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.840 the present pope says that they don't like. The idealized 2030 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.520 pope that exists only in their minds is the source 2031 01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:53.960 of stability, certitude, and Catholicity in their argumentation. But the 2032 01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.319 real actual Pope that exists in the world, on the 2033 01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:59.319 other hand, is an apostate who needs to re enter 2034 01:52:59.399 --> 01:53:03.439 into kim union. With their idealized platonic form of pope, 2035 01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:07.840 which again has no basis in metaphysical reality. So although 2036 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:11.560 they are not set of a contest, they exactly mimic 2037 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:14.039 and operate like the say it is if you go 2038 01:53:14.119 --> 01:53:17.760 watch my streams critique instead of a contism from the 2039 01:53:17.840 --> 01:53:21.039 John Pontrello book. This is the point that Pontrello makes 2040 01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:23.520 about the set of a contest, that they have an 2041 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:26.560 invisible church and Charipeter that they're united with, which has 2042 01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:29.119 no correspondence or connection at all to the actual guy 2043 01:53:29.199 --> 01:53:31.479 over in Rome, which is known throughout the world as 2044 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:35.560 and received as the Roman. See right, So the same 2045 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:37.560 thing is true. The same thing is true with these guys, 2046 01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:39.520 and Emo goes on to say that they're basically doing 2047 01:53:39.560 --> 01:53:41.119 the same thing as the set of a contest, even 2048 01:53:41.159 --> 01:53:44.560 though it's the recognize and resist position of the absurd 2049 01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:47.319 Roman Catholics who think that sixty plus years of the 2050 01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:50.399 Roman Sea has taught error and apostasy. So they're praying 2051 01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:52.600 for the Church for the for Francis to come into 2052 01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:56.760 communion with a pope and Charipeter in their heads. In 2053 01:53:56.880 --> 01:54:01.000 their Protestant mindset, they are the price of sense. That's 2054 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:03.560 the mind blowing a reality here. 2055 01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:07.239 Yeah, yeah, and I'm gonna I'm going to quote them 2056 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:12.119 at fifty six minutes. They say the deobe that Pope 2057 01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:17.560 Francis has a massive conversion to what to to your face, 2058 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.119 isn't any Catholic? Isn't it the standards? But that makes catholic? 2059 01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:24.920 You're not the standard? He is? A standard is humility? 2060 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.760 That's like the opposite. He spent this whole stream talking 2061 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:30.800 about humility being submitting to the pope, and then he 2062 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.079 judges the Pope and says the Pope needs to repent 2063 01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:34.439 and submit to what I think? 2064 01:54:35.239 --> 01:54:41.600 What about at one or nineteen, Room is failing, Room 2065 01:54:41.720 --> 01:54:45.840 is working against the truth his words. That's what he's saying. 2066 01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:48.359 But you can say this, did you know how many, 2067 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:49.960 by the way, didn't you count up how many times 2068 01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:51.039 he talked about his humility? 2069 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:56.880 Yeah, yeah, so he talks about his own humility, or 2070 01:54:56.920 --> 01:55:01.079 he says that other people have a different opinion because 2071 01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:04.720 because of their pride. I've been lenient. I've conted the 2072 01:55:04.840 --> 01:55:07.840 total of twenty eight times, you know, which is when 2073 01:55:07.840 --> 01:55:09.680 you're humble, you just have to brag about being a. 2074 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:14.760 Yeah, humble, b humble. I'm so humble. Now, by the way, 2075 01:55:14.880 --> 01:55:22.000 uh Sadas reject the Conclavists, So actually the Conclavists are 2076 01:55:22.039 --> 01:55:26.079 more consistent than the Saydas. That's the result of the 2077 01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:28.479 the uh John Patrello set of a conscious stream that 2078 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:31.279 I did. The conclusion of that is that it's actually 2079 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:34.439 more consistent within within the framework of Vatican One to 2080 01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.920 elect another pope, which technically can't happen in Canon Wall 2081 01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:44.760 because only the Roman Curia can elect the pope. But regardless, 2082 01:55:45.119 --> 01:55:48.159 the Conclavists at least understand that you can't have a 2083 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:51.279 complete defection of the Roman See. That's that's that totally 2084 01:55:51.479 --> 01:55:55.439 denies Vatican One. So technically speaking, Email, I appreciate that 2085 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:59.079 super chat. But technically speaking, the Satas don't reject, don't 2086 01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:00.960 accept Pope Michael, but they would actually be a little 2087 01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:03.439 more consistent if they did. But then you get into 2088 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:06.119 the problem of which of the trailer park popes are 2089 01:56:06.119 --> 01:56:09.840 you going to accept? All right, well, so let's. 2090 01:56:09.520 --> 01:56:13.840 See, moving on, I've got a great point. At fifty 2091 01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:18.279 seven minutes, he starts saying that, oh, you know, we 2092 01:56:18.439 --> 01:56:22.119 need we need consoles. With the consoles it needed to 2093 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.439 be assembled, and before that we had no idea of 2094 01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:28.159 this existed. We do, and it brings up another argument 2095 01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:30.960 that just destroys the papacy is Acts fifteen. He says, 2096 01:56:31.319 --> 01:56:33.880 look in X fifteen. Yeah, we know X fifteen because 2097 01:56:33.920 --> 01:56:38.399 you know there very consols before even the before the 2098 01:56:38.439 --> 01:56:42.520 emperor stepped in to make the console ecumenical, which meant imperial. 2099 01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:46.920 And look at Acts fifteen again he quotes the councils. 2100 01:56:47.039 --> 01:56:50.840 You know, that's biblical that destroy this position. Acts in 2101 01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:52.760 Acts fifteen. You know you should read it. It's a 2102 01:56:52.800 --> 01:56:57.359 short chapter. It's probably the most relevant chapter in terms 2103 01:56:57.359 --> 01:57:02.119 of ecclesiology in the New Testament. In Acts fifteen, peer 2104 01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:06.520 is here. Peter is not leading, right, you have Saint James. 2105 01:57:06.640 --> 01:57:09.680 Yeah, they have to go crazy mental gymnastics to try 2106 01:57:09.720 --> 01:57:10.479 to fit that into that. 2107 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:15.600 Yeah, I'm gonna Saint James is actually leading the council. 2108 01:57:15.680 --> 01:57:19.680 Saint James is a priest, so is the levi. Priest 2109 01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:21.680 is the one who you know, also has the authority 2110 01:57:22.279 --> 01:57:25.479 also in the eyes of the people, to lead this council. 2111 01:57:26.359 --> 01:57:28.720 He says that Saint James says that I represent Donland 2112 01:57:28.760 --> 01:57:33.279 is the apostle, but he represents the the presbyters, the 2113 01:57:33.399 --> 01:57:38.640 eldest of Israel. So in Act fifteen, ultimately, at some 2114 01:57:38.760 --> 01:57:41.520 point Peter talks with authority, because Peter has some authority 2115 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:44.439 of the church. Nobody denies this, you know, even even 2116 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:47.680 Central Christostom Will says that they were They were Cory 2117 01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:51.920 fay A, you know, prural people that had authority, that 2118 01:57:52.039 --> 01:58:00.640 included James, James, Peter, and and John. The a confusion 2119 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.239 to be between which Peter it is, between which James 2120 01:58:03.319 --> 01:58:04.720 it is. We're going to cover that in a moment. 2121 01:58:04.760 --> 01:58:07.720 But in Act fifteen, ultimately Peter speaks. But it is 2122 01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:11.640 James who has listened to Peter now and it is 2123 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:16.000 James declaration that is word for word the apostolic brief. 2124 01:58:16.399 --> 01:58:19.239 If Peter was a perfect supreme authority, why doesn't it 2125 01:58:19.479 --> 01:58:22.199 why doesn't do this? And I'm going to quote Saint 2126 01:58:22.239 --> 01:58:34.199 John Chrysostom on this part, which said, no words speaks 2127 01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:38.279 John here, no words of the other apostles. There the 2128 01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:43.119 piece for James was invested with the chief rule. And 2129 01:58:43.319 --> 01:58:47.199 think it no ship. So yes, here here you have 2130 01:58:47.399 --> 01:58:50.479 you have James, like Peter in did spoke more strongly, 2131 01:58:50.560 --> 01:58:53.279 but James here more mildly. For this it behooves one 2132 01:58:53.359 --> 01:58:55.399 is the high authority to leave what is unpleasant for 2133 01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:57.640 others to say, well, where he himself appears in the 2134 01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:02.399 mild part. Okay, I don't really know you can go 2135 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:02.760 about this. 2136 01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:03.319 I don't really know. 2137 01:59:03.439 --> 01:59:08.399 Act fifteen is there for showing that the papers is true. 2138 01:59:09.039 --> 01:59:11.239 We even have, you know, historical accounts from Usabis of 2139 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:15.560 cs Area saying that James was especially prominent. These James, 2140 01:59:15.560 --> 01:59:17.840 whom the early Christian surnames the Righteous because of his 2141 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:20.960 outstanding virtue, was the first, as a record tell us, 2142 01:59:21.079 --> 01:59:25.159 to be elected to the episcopal throne of the Jerusalem Church. 2143 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:32.960 Clement you know, was pope. Outlines Oatlands in book six 2144 01:59:33.079 --> 01:59:35.640 put this Peter, James and John after the ascension of 2145 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:38.319 the Savior, he dot claim eminence because the Savior had 2146 01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:42.960 especially honored them, but chose James the Righteous as a 2147 01:59:43.119 --> 01:59:45.720 Bishop of Jerusalem. So again there is a debate, you 2148 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:49.119 know which James. Especially in Rome, they start says that 2149 01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:52.600 you know, these James is a lesser you have, you 2150 01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:56.600 have another James. Anywhere tradition remembers James as a priest. 2151 01:59:57.239 --> 02:00:01.520 Tradition remembers James especially in especially important and we even 2152 02:00:01.560 --> 02:00:08.079 have traditional texts that mentioned that the priesthood came came 2153 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:12.199 to the Apostle through James, because James, James was by Christ. 2154 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:14.840 He was you know, the half brother of Christ through 2155 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:22.079 through through Joseph. So you know Joseph being in this 2156 02:00:22.359 --> 02:00:25.520 sad little nine it was especially important. And we need 2157 02:00:25.600 --> 02:00:27.960 to stress this and something that's great. As James destroyed 2158 02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:30.960 all the heiresses, Saint James, brother of brother of God, 2159 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:35.560 destroys all the heresies Acts fifteen. He destroys, you know, 2160 02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:42.479 ultimate supremacy of Rome in his epistle, destroys brother Stantism, 2161 02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:45.239 and he also destroys the claims of you know, Judaism 2162 02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:47.760 and Islam. That we we actually lost the Covenant. No 2163 02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:50.960 James is a hint that that propagates the Covenant to 2164 02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:55.159 the nuture. Are recommend reading the books by Simon Claude Mimoni, 2165 02:00:55.199 --> 02:00:58.960 who was Jewish himself and a great historian, and talks 2166 02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:03.640 about this that James, well, a very important figure for 2167 02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:07.279 the early Church is that he's the one who brought 2168 02:01:07.920 --> 02:01:12.399 bought all these things. So yes, very important, very stupid 2169 02:01:12.479 --> 02:01:15.000 of them to bring X fifteen. You know, probably things 2170 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.920 that reach the Bible as a prostant thing, because if 2171 02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:21.520 you read X fifteen you'll see that. I want to 2172 02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:22.119 stress too. 2173 02:01:22.279 --> 02:01:26.560 There's point that you're making about Basil about James actually 2174 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:30.479 continues on in terms of the attitude of the greatest 2175 02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:33.359 of the some of the greatest of the Eastern fathers, 2176 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:37.479 like Saint Basil. Right when Basil writes in letter sixty 2177 02:01:37.560 --> 02:01:40.159 six to the to Saint Anthonasius, he writes a letter 2178 02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:43.520 and he says, I have appealed to the bishops of 2179 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:46.800 the West for help in this matter and regarding an 2180 02:01:46.960 --> 02:01:51.600 Aryan in his diocese. That excuse me at Antioch. Now, 2181 02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:53.239 by the way, why is the appeal to the bishops? 2182 02:01:53.359 --> 02:01:55.520 What is you just ask the Pope, the bishop of 2183 02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:57.840 the West. Now he appeals to the bishops of the West, 2184 02:01:57.920 --> 02:01:59.680 he says, And then he goes on to say that 2185 02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:03.159 we know that Antioch can function like the head of 2186 02:02:03.239 --> 02:02:06.039 a body, right, he says. The heretics are trying to 2187 02:02:06.119 --> 02:02:09.640 sunder it to it, render it asunder, he says. But 2188 02:02:09.720 --> 02:02:12.800 if you Athanasius, go and fix the problems in Antioch, 2189 02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:17.399 he says, then an Antioch like a head, will heal 2190 02:02:17.479 --> 02:02:21.760 the whole body. Now imagine that if I were to 2191 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:23.680 read that, they would say that that's talking about the 2192 02:02:23.720 --> 02:02:25.680 Bishop of Rome the head of the whole body, and 2193 02:02:25.760 --> 02:02:28.800 he's talking about the church in Antioch, right, and he 2194 02:02:28.880 --> 02:02:31.760 says that the church in Antioch stands as the head, 2195 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:33.680 so to speak, of the whole body of the church, 2196 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:37.600 and all else are mere disjointed members. Now it is 2197 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:40.039 the prayer of the whole East that this be fixed. 2198 02:02:40.399 --> 02:02:43.399 And he says, I've asked Rome for help. In the 2199 02:02:43.479 --> 02:02:46.520 next letter, so this issue continues, So he writes a 2200 02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:49.479 letter next to Malicius of Antioch, who's the head there 2201 02:02:49.760 --> 02:02:52.960 right now, because the Roman costs well. But he's not 2202 02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:55.840 calling the bishop of Antioch the head of all the 2203 02:02:55.920 --> 02:03:00.399 churches exactly right. These kinds of phraseologies are used in 2204 02:03:00.439 --> 02:03:02.880 the Church Fathers, and they're lifted out of that context 2205 02:03:02.960 --> 02:03:06.560 and used to try to prove the universal supremacy. But 2206 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:09.560 that same language is used of the guy who's the 2207 02:03:09.880 --> 02:03:12.119 lawful bishop of Antioch. He then writes the next letter 2208 02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:17.479 to Athanasius, letter sixty nine, and he says, I have 2209 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:21.159 again asked Rome for help. He says that, but they 2210 02:03:21.279 --> 02:03:24.399 have failed to help us because they are men ignorant 2211 02:03:24.560 --> 02:03:29.159 of the faith. So Rome failed to condemn because they're 2212 02:03:29.239 --> 02:03:32.159 ignorant and silly. He says, And then he goes on 2213 02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:34.000 in the next and he writes a letter to Pope 2214 02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:38.439 Saint Demasis, and he doesn't say anything about Pope Damasis 2215 02:03:38.560 --> 02:03:42.439 being like, you know, the universal greatest head of all 2216 02:03:42.600 --> 02:03:44.560 churches in the world. He just says, will you please 2217 02:03:44.640 --> 02:03:48.319 help us? We need help in the East. And there's 2218 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:51.880 nothing about any magical petrine power here when he writes 2219 02:03:51.920 --> 02:03:59.359 to demasists Pope Demasis. So then here's the killer is 2220 02:03:59.399 --> 02:04:04.399 that Later on when he writes another letter to another bishop, 2221 02:04:04.479 --> 02:04:07.840 to Eusebius of Samisada. This is a letter two hundred 2222 02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:12.000 and thirty nine, he says that no help is going 2223 02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:14.399 to come to us from Rome. He says, because there 2224 02:04:14.399 --> 02:04:16.199 are a bunch of men ignorant in the faith and 2225 02:04:16.279 --> 02:04:19.960 they've actually strengthened the cause of heresy. And he says, 2226 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:28.600 because I wrote to their corfeus, their corfeus, the patriarch 2227 02:04:28.760 --> 02:04:34.039 of Rome, the corfeus of the western jurisdictions. He doesn't 2228 02:04:34.079 --> 02:04:39.479 say our mouthpiece there, corfeus. So what I'm getting at 2229 02:04:39.520 --> 02:04:45.159 is that when you read through these letters, the actual practice, language, terminology, 2230 02:04:45.319 --> 02:04:48.680 and usage of Saint Basil is nothing like Vatican One. 2231 02:04:49.439 --> 02:04:51.880 The Roman Catholics come back and revise all this and 2232 02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:54.960 reinterpret it and say, oh, but it's actually is Vatican 2233 02:04:55.039 --> 02:04:58.039 One because it's an argument from silence. And he's appealing 2234 02:04:58.119 --> 02:05:00.520 to the he's appealing to all the bishops. He appeals 2235 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.279 to Athenasius. He says, Athenacious, I know that you can 2236 02:05:03.359 --> 02:05:06.640 fix the problems in Antioch. Right, all there's not why 2237 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:08.199 is he doing that? Like all he has to do 2238 02:05:08.439 --> 02:05:12.600 is just say, Damass fix all the problems. And then 2239 02:05:12.640 --> 02:05:14.760 he turns around and says that Damases was the voice 2240 02:05:14.920 --> 02:05:19.039 the core fees mouthpiece of the Latins. He says, but 2241 02:05:19.119 --> 02:05:21.359 he was useless. He was useless in this. 2242 02:05:24.319 --> 02:05:27.239 Yeah, which you know we're going to talk about church 2243 02:05:27.279 --> 02:05:30.960 fathers now because he said old church fathers. He approves 2244 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:34.239 the papacy. What he doesn't understand, you know, and you've 2245 02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:37.359 read you all said you cannot just cherry picture fathers, right, 2246 02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:41.479 it's really hard to read the whole church father But 2247 02:05:41.560 --> 02:05:44.760 what they should understand is that if you look at 2248 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:47.800 all letters between between you know, people of the church 2249 02:05:47.800 --> 02:05:52.880 are structured. So letters of the fathers it always starts 2250 02:05:52.920 --> 02:05:56.159 with an assessment of the person they're talking to, and 2251 02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:59.399 it starts by you know, giving great praise. And for 2252 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:03.760 example on his website is actually you had the same 2253 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:05.840 Theodore of the Studio, and we say we said a 2254 02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:09.199 lot of great things about about about Rome. Yes, because 2255 02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:11.239 when Rome is Orthodox, they have no problem giving it 2256 02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:14.399 all the praise. It's fine. But when it is not, 2257 02:06:14.640 --> 02:06:17.720 we don't. And for example, by taking Theodore of the Studio, 2258 02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:21.159 he wrote letters to the patriarch of Constantinople saying that 2259 02:06:21.319 --> 02:06:22.359 he's the head of the church. 2260 02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:26.199 Yeah, what if this biology the site with Basil Antioch 2261 02:06:26.279 --> 02:06:26.880 head of the church. 2262 02:06:28.039 --> 02:06:31.840 Yeah, So the quote mining fathers is they're using praise 2263 02:06:31.880 --> 02:06:33.439 for a lot of things. First of all, when they'm 2264 02:06:33.479 --> 02:06:36.239 in Peter at the time, I mean the the episcope 2265 02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:40.039 as a whole. We talked about this quite a while, 2266 02:06:40.279 --> 02:06:42.960 but you cannot just chair pick this. This is why 2267 02:06:43.039 --> 02:06:45.760 I hate, you know, going into quote minds, the quote 2268 02:06:45.800 --> 02:06:47.319 that they that they use, you know often you know 2269 02:06:47.319 --> 02:06:51.520 a doctor themselves. I always see them citing secondhand works. 2270 02:06:51.880 --> 02:06:55.319 I never see them citing the Patrologya Latina, Patrologia Greca. 2271 02:06:55.399 --> 02:06:57.720 Because if you go into these books and we've seen 2272 02:06:57.760 --> 02:07:01.239 people you know, coming from the twild world. A great 2273 02:07:01.279 --> 02:07:05.319 friend and manted to one extent, Jehan MacLean, he he 2274 02:07:05.399 --> 02:07:07.840 went to the PG. It made it made him aposthetize, 2275 02:07:07.960 --> 02:07:11.960 because it's it's filled with flalsification. It's filled with you know, 2276 02:07:12.039 --> 02:07:15.960 even sometimes admission of of oh we have different manuscripts, 2277 02:07:16.039 --> 02:07:18.079 Oh we with these stuff that says the orthodox think, 2278 02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:20.720 oh there is this alternate version of this of this 2279 02:07:20.880 --> 02:07:25.039 church father. Uh, it's it's it's filled with errors. If 2280 02:07:25.079 --> 02:07:27.640 you read Dollinger. Dollinger actually dug into it, and he 2281 02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:29.319 has a he has a book and the papers is 2282 02:07:29.359 --> 02:07:33.640 that just six hundred pages of showing interpolation in this 2283 02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:36.439 book he said. He says that at times you will 2284 02:07:36.479 --> 02:07:40.239 have ten layers of clalsification. So again a church fathers 2285 02:07:40.279 --> 02:07:43.760 and court. Mind, it's it's a bit difficult to you 2286 02:07:43.920 --> 02:07:48.359 to use as is. If you if you, if you 2287 02:07:48.520 --> 02:07:51.520 use the same metrics, you will see that just random 2288 02:07:51.600 --> 02:07:54.039 bishops at the head of the church. Random bishops are 2289 02:07:54.119 --> 02:07:57.840 described as being the pillar of the faith. You even yeah, 2290 02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:01.560 random bishops of priests as uh. You know, he says 2291 02:08:01.560 --> 02:08:03.640 that it is great to be in communion with you. 2292 02:08:03.800 --> 02:08:06.279 You see it from all the fathers. So claiming the 2293 02:08:06.359 --> 02:08:08.600 Father proved the papacy because they says, the purpose doing 2294 02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:12.359 great when he's doing great things, you know, orthodox things. 2295 02:08:13.800 --> 02:08:16.000 Not let's move the csterl papism if you can, if 2296 02:08:16.000 --> 02:08:16.600 you got more on that. 2297 02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:23.199 I think it's still something about about church as Oh yeah, 2298 02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:27.239 but churches. I just want to address something he claims, 2299 02:08:27.239 --> 02:08:32.479 you know, historical fact proves the papacy. Really if you like, 2300 02:08:32.600 --> 02:08:35.720 he quotes Pop Victor, he says that, you know, he 2301 02:08:35.720 --> 02:08:40.880 says that Pop Victor, for example, is is saying, I mean, 2302 02:08:41.000 --> 02:08:44.640 the example of Pop Victor and the controversy of Pasha 2303 02:08:44.960 --> 02:08:48.600 proofs proofs pacy. I'm just going to read eu Zibius, 2304 02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:51.520 and we got to see that it doesn't match anything. Victor, 2305 02:08:51.560 --> 02:08:53.920 who presided of his church at Rome, you know, not 2306 02:08:54.039 --> 02:08:57.479 the entire church immediately attempted to cut off from the communion, 2307 02:08:58.079 --> 02:09:02.520 from the community the parishes of all Asia. Keyword attempted. 2308 02:09:03.479 --> 02:09:06.880 You know, he cannot have it doesn't it doesn't have 2309 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:10.199 this power. Also, you know the fact that he excommunicates 2310 02:09:10.239 --> 02:09:13.119 someone that he tries to exommunicate someone that outside this jurtyisdiction. 2311 02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:16.119 Not only the popes did this one day so heresy 2312 02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:22.520 or proceed heresy, they would do this. So the parishes 2313 02:09:22.560 --> 02:09:26.119 of early Asia, the churches that agreed with them as heterodox. 2314 02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:29.239 So you know that, you know, saying that not orthodox 2315 02:09:29.279 --> 02:09:33.359 would mean the wrong dogma, So that would make this excommunication, 2316 02:09:33.479 --> 02:09:37.760 you know, ipso factor and infallible. And he wrote letters 2317 02:09:37.800 --> 02:09:42.000 and declared all the present the Holy excommunity wholly excommunicate, 2318 02:09:42.520 --> 02:09:44.640 which means that, you know, if he really had this supremacy, 2319 02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:49.039 they would have been excommunicated for real. But this did 2320 02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:51.760 not please all the bishops, and they bethought him to 2321 02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:55.760 consider the things of peace, enable, unity, and love. So 2322 02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:59.600 here you have the pop going ast unity. Apparently they 2323 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:02.880 they gloated about the propab exist point just after saying 2324 02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:08.039 that every sort of schism is bad. Words of theirs 2325 02:10:08.079 --> 02:10:12.920 are extent sharply rebuking Victor. Among them was Iranus, who 2326 02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:15.880 sending letters in the name of the bresen in Gold 2327 02:10:15.920 --> 02:10:18.319 over whom he presided. So you have Victor presiding over 2328 02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:21.279 bresen in Gold, which is in the Roman jurisdiction. Why 2329 02:10:21.359 --> 02:10:25.279 isn't the pope presiding over God himself? 2330 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:28.760 Yeah, what do we just say with Basil? Basil Rif's 2331 02:10:28.840 --> 02:10:33.359 letters appealing to Athanasius, to Malicius in Antioch and he 2332 02:10:33.439 --> 02:10:36.520 writes a letter to Damasis and the bishops in the West. 2333 02:10:37.039 --> 02:10:40.199 He's tried to secure condemnation from all these people. All 2334 02:10:40.279 --> 02:10:42.560 he had to do if Vatican Warnastery is get the 2335 02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:44.560 Pope to just wave his hand. 2336 02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:49.640 Yeah, so maintain that the mystery of the resurrection of 2337 02:10:49.680 --> 02:10:51.600 the Law should be observed only in the Law's day. 2338 02:10:51.800 --> 02:10:55.159 He fittingly admonishes Victor that he should not cut off 2339 02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:57.960 the old churches of God, which observes the tradition of 2340 02:10:58.760 --> 02:11:02.079 an ancient custom. And what's great about this is that, 2341 02:11:02.239 --> 02:11:03.840 you know, if if there was really, you know, this 2342 02:11:03.960 --> 02:11:07.199 papal supremacy was even this paper infallibility, nobody would have, 2343 02:11:07.279 --> 02:11:09.319 you know, complained with it. People are like, oh, you know, 2344 02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:12.560 he's perk made a decision, this arretic, let's follow this. 2345 02:11:13.039 --> 02:11:15.560 The problem is the matter was only resolved as the 2346 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:18.520 first secondical console, so he did not have the authority himself. 2347 02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:24.000 He tried it got rebuked. If this happens today, a 2348 02:11:24.039 --> 02:11:26.359 guy who rebukes the Purple will be excommunicated, Like, you know, 2349 02:11:26.840 --> 02:11:31.039 even Cardinal Sarah, you know, the just based black cardinal, 2350 02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:36.119 he would say that you have to follow Francis. It 2351 02:11:36.159 --> 02:11:38.720 doesn't it doesn't appartly doesn't personally agree with Francis, but 2352 02:11:38.840 --> 02:11:43.079 it doesn't you know, rebuking Yeah someone as I do. 2353 02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:45.960 Yeah, I want to stress this. So can we move 2354 02:11:46.000 --> 02:11:47.840 to the cesserl papism or do you have any more 2355 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:49.960 on that? I mean, we can do streams in the 2356 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:52.720 next and upcoming future. In the near future, will will 2357 02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:56.359 address all the papal claims from the church fathers individual 2358 02:11:56.439 --> 02:11:59.279 and in fact, if you have I mean, you're welcome 2359 02:11:59.319 --> 02:12:04.840 to throw more in a you want. But yeah, Petris 2360 02:12:04.960 --> 02:12:06.960 just responded to Ibarra. By the way, I'll put that 2361 02:12:07.000 --> 02:12:08.800 at Lincoln again in the chat ef everybody wants to 2362 02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:12.720 read on say Maximus a confessor, how Ibara attempted to 2363 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:17.720 use this to prove Vatican one in in Maximus, So 2364 02:12:17.840 --> 02:12:18.279 there is. 2365 02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:21.000 Will be Let you be purchased. This is I'll just 2366 02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:24.960 quickly state about you know, historical council again, the other 2367 02:12:25.079 --> 02:12:29.039 pope who made an eretical console, you know, Pop Liberius, 2368 02:12:29.079 --> 02:12:32.079 who was rebuilt by the Church, who promoted air in creeds. 2369 02:12:32.319 --> 02:12:34.720 Doesn't you know, isn't it? You don't have to follow 2370 02:12:34.800 --> 02:12:38.920 this always they say we can't have any more any 2371 02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:42.479 more consuls. You know, we actually we actually have ec 2372 02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:46.119 Medical Council. We use that the eighth Ecmmdical Counsole that 2373 02:12:46.319 --> 02:12:48.920 was the fourteen Synod, that was approved by Pope John 2374 02:12:49.000 --> 02:12:52.680 the eighth, which means that it also it's lially destroys 2375 02:12:52.680 --> 02:12:54.680 this claim that we have a disagreement of as a philoquy. 2376 02:12:54.760 --> 02:12:56.600 We do not have a disagreement of as the philoquy 2377 02:12:57.760 --> 02:13:01.680 because we have this eighth counsul the ninth is fully 2378 02:13:02.000 --> 02:13:05.039 is fully in effect. We don't have different disagreements over 2379 02:13:05.479 --> 02:13:08.239 the energies. We seeing that we be seeing Palamas, we 2380 02:13:08.399 --> 02:13:09.439 see yeah, that. 2381 02:13:09.479 --> 02:13:11.800 We don't even know if the energy doctrine is true. 2382 02:13:12.319 --> 02:13:14.279 What are you talking about. I've never heard an Orthodox 2383 02:13:14.359 --> 02:13:17.079 the Elogian deny the doctrine of uncreated energies. It's in 2384 02:13:17.119 --> 02:13:20.560 our liturgy. Everybody holds to that I know of holds 2385 02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:23.760 to the cinema black Renee and the uncreated energies. I've 2386 02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:25.760 never it's in the liturgy. I've never heard anybody not 2387 02:13:25.880 --> 02:13:28.960 say this. Now, David Bentley Hart, we don't even know 2388 02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:30.880 if we don't even know if David Bentley Hart attends 2389 02:13:30.920 --> 02:13:34.359 a church, right, he just says he's Orthodox and says 2390 02:13:34.399 --> 02:13:38.560 everything anti Orthodox rejectsment ecumenical councils that condemn origin. I mean, 2391 02:13:38.600 --> 02:13:42.199 you have an entire book Christ and Byzantium about Blackernee, 2392 02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:44.920 which contains all the documents of Blackername, by the way, 2393 02:13:44.960 --> 02:13:48.760 great book by Papadoccus, and he says, we don't even 2394 02:13:48.800 --> 02:13:50.680 know if the essence energy doctrine is true. What a 2395 02:13:50.720 --> 02:13:54.239 bunch of nonsense. There's not a single Orthodox theologian in 2396 02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:57.199 the twentieth century. That and the ones that are becoming saints, 2397 02:13:57.439 --> 02:14:01.279 like Saint Justin Popovich. Right. You can read the famous 2398 02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:07.399 Georgia Manzides has a whole book on uh Palamas. You 2399 02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:10.760 can read Father Staniloy. His whole systematic theology is premised 2400 02:14:10.800 --> 02:14:13.560 on the Essen senterdu distinction. You can read Father Florowsky, 2401 02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:15.960 powerful proponent of the Essen Center distinction. You could read 2402 02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:20.039 Vladimir Lowsky. All of the greatest theologians who they didn't 2403 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:24.000 they didn't want Site, and they didn't want Site. A 2404 02:14:24.079 --> 02:14:28.239 great theologian they cited who where bolgacaw like and Salt 2405 02:14:28.439 --> 02:14:29.119 like weirdos? 2406 02:14:29.520 --> 02:14:33.079 Right, yeah, which which is you know, disingenuous. We're not 2407 02:14:33.159 --> 02:14:36.520 attacking you know, Catholic morals and dogmat by by quitting, 2408 02:14:36.600 --> 02:14:38.640 you know, specifically James Martin. 2409 02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:40.600 Oh yeah, well, let's just site James Martin said that. 2410 02:14:40.640 --> 02:14:41.439 That's all. That's all. 2411 02:14:41.560 --> 02:14:45.039 Ro We're gonna talk about Roman Catholics and James Martin, 2412 02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:51.159 James Martin, but just James Martin. Yes, bog is a sociologist. 2413 02:14:52.079 --> 02:14:58.279 It's ridiculous. Yeah, I think we can. Oh no, yeah, 2414 02:14:58.479 --> 02:15:00.439 it says just that he says, you need the emperor 2415 02:15:00.479 --> 02:15:03.640 to convince the council. No, we actually do not need 2416 02:15:03.640 --> 02:15:06.000 the emperor to convince the council. We we convene the 2417 02:15:06.079 --> 02:15:09.880 Council of Jerusalem. Uh. They say, oh, but that's just receptionalism. 2418 02:15:10.199 --> 02:15:15.119 The real medwik is a great, great video, but receptionism. 2419 02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:18.359 We am a cavin to teach receptionism. That's the irony here. 2420 02:15:19.600 --> 02:15:23.039 Yeah, we I mean, yeah, it's being being a full receptionist. 2421 02:15:24.319 --> 02:15:27.000 He's even said they say, oh, actually they call it 2422 02:15:27.159 --> 02:15:30.640 solar scripture a plus, Church Father. But they said, oh, 2423 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:32.319 but we have the pup. But when they don't agree 2424 02:15:32.359 --> 02:15:34.439 that the oh but we can look in tradition to 2425 02:15:34.640 --> 02:15:36.880 you what you're doing sole scripture, Church Father. 2426 02:15:38.800 --> 02:15:41.800 They do solar scripture with papal writings. That's their thing. 2427 02:15:43.039 --> 02:15:47.560 Yes, So yes, they teach. 2428 02:15:50.039 --> 02:15:52.680 Let me pick the I like marai boss I like 2429 02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:57.039 mortalium animals, I like lamentabilising, like Penni dominici gracious, I 2430 02:15:57.279 --> 02:16:01.439 like uh humani jen humanum genes of the I don't 2431 02:16:01.600 --> 02:16:07.199 like the encyclicals after Vatican two. So pick and choose 2432 02:16:07.399 --> 02:16:11.520 the encyclicals that you want, trads, because you're just being Protestant. 2433 02:16:12.720 --> 02:16:15.399 Yeah. Also, yes, of course we do not need the 2434 02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:18.119 emperor to convene. Council. Act fifteen is a great example. 2435 02:16:18.279 --> 02:16:20.960 It was not convened by Roman Empire. 2436 02:16:21.000 --> 02:16:23.920 By the way, there there are councils prior to the 2437 02:16:24.439 --> 02:16:29.479 uh to Nicia, right, there is UNCAS, and there are 2438 02:16:29.600 --> 02:16:32.239 councils after that, and so look the normative. So it's 2439 02:16:32.280 --> 02:16:35.520 three hundred years of Christianity without an ecumenical council. Okay, 2440 02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.399 So the ecumenical councils are not the normative way that 2441 02:16:38.479 --> 02:16:41.680 the church is governed. They happen sparsely every hundred year. 2442 02:16:41.719 --> 02:16:44.799 So this is this assumption that Orthodoxy lacks ecumenical councils 2443 02:16:45.360 --> 02:16:48.239 is really really misses the point of how the church 2444 02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:53.079 is actually in praxis governed, which is so nottally so 2445 02:16:53.239 --> 02:16:56.840 every church that everybody's Orthodox, their church is part of 2446 02:16:56.879 --> 02:17:00.559 a synod of bishops, so that that's the ormative way 2447 02:17:00.639 --> 02:17:02.559 the church is governed. What do you mean, there's not 2448 02:17:02.760 --> 02:17:05.399 We don't have to have for the church to survive 2449 02:17:05.479 --> 02:17:08.559 in our cemenical Council. And even the Vatican admits that 2450 02:17:08.639 --> 02:17:12.000 the Orthodox churches have existed for the last thousand years 2451 02:17:12.600 --> 02:17:14.639 as Orthodox without the papacy. 2452 02:17:15.959 --> 02:17:18.799 Yeah, that proves that we don't actually exist. Support from 2453 02:17:18.879 --> 02:17:21.719 like the document of Kurtis is great zero point sixteen, 2454 02:17:21.879 --> 02:17:24.000 this document signed by the pope. In the ways the 2455 02:17:24.040 --> 02:17:26.559 primacy of the seal Rome was understood, particularly from the 2456 02:17:26.639 --> 02:17:29.719 fourth century onwards with reference to peters Well among the apostle, 2457 02:17:30.200 --> 02:17:32.600 the primacy of the Bishop of Rome amongst the other 2458 02:17:32.680 --> 02:17:37.159 bishop was gradually interpreted as a prerogative. That was this 2459 02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:39.959 because it was successful of Peter, the first of the Apostles. 2460 02:17:40.280 --> 02:17:43.120 This understanding was not adopted in the East, which had 2461 02:17:43.120 --> 02:17:46.040 a different interpretation of scripture. And further on this point, 2462 02:17:46.360 --> 02:17:49.959 the old document of Kitty is about sinidality being very important, 2463 02:17:50.040 --> 02:17:53.120 and you know see it by themselves, by the very 2464 02:17:53.239 --> 02:17:55.959 nature refuting the ideas that you know, just in the 2465 02:17:56.000 --> 02:17:58.479 centralized authority, right, and. 2466 02:17:58.520 --> 02:17:59.920 That whole stream, by the way, it was basically just 2467 02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:02.479 worship of authority and the irony here I want to 2468 02:18:02.520 --> 02:18:04.200 make a point about because a lot of people don't 2469 02:18:04.200 --> 02:18:06.000 know this, but if you read the documents of the 2470 02:18:06.079 --> 02:18:09.200 second Senator of Nicia two and seven eighty seven, he 2471 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:12.280 made this goofy mistake of talking about how well the 2472 02:18:12.319 --> 02:18:14.840 whole church in the East is Cicero Papism, and they 2473 02:18:14.920 --> 02:18:19.399 followed emperors. And have you not read he hasn't. By 2474 02:18:19.440 --> 02:18:21.520 the way, have you not read the actual canons and 2475 02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:25.040 acts of the councils that are at least in English 2476 02:18:25.120 --> 02:18:28.239 so far, because you might be surprised to see the 2477 02:18:28.319 --> 02:18:32.680 way that your own popes and now these are our 2478 02:18:32.719 --> 02:18:35.120 poptes too, like we would agree with the Seventh Synod 2479 02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:37.479 in the posts at this time. But in your mindset 2480 02:18:37.520 --> 02:18:40.600 and his mindset, the Catholic Church is the church of 2481 02:18:40.639 --> 02:18:43.559 the first millennium. Oh guess what who do they say? 2482 02:18:44.159 --> 02:18:46.840 Are the emperor? The emperors are the God ordained emperors, 2483 02:18:47.360 --> 02:18:49.840 the God ordained emperors. That's a phrase from Nicia too. 2484 02:18:50.319 --> 02:18:52.280 That's the letter if you read, if you have the 2485 02:18:52.680 --> 02:18:55.639 chaft set, it's the letter of the Synod. There's two letters. 2486 02:18:56.200 --> 02:18:57.920 There's a letter of the Synod to the Emperor and 2487 02:18:57.959 --> 02:19:00.440 the Empress. And what do they say. They say, you 2488 02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:03.760 reign like David. They talk about theocracy, they talk about 2489 02:19:04.239 --> 02:19:08.680 them being the Orthodox imperium, and so on his own grounds, 2490 02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:12.719 his church for the first millennium admits simphonia. The very 2491 02:19:12.760 --> 02:19:15.360 thing he says is ceral papers, which is goody. 2492 02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:19.040 Yeah. And what's great is that there will any times 2493 02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:22.600 there is an interaction between the church in the in 2494 02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:25.120 the East, in between church and state. In the East, 2495 02:19:25.159 --> 02:19:27.440 they will say it says or papies. But first of 2496 02:19:27.479 --> 02:19:30.200 all you're excommunicating, you know, the entire Churchdren's business, the 2497 02:19:30.200 --> 02:19:35.520 empire which you claim you you're united too. And also 2498 02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:38.479 it happens in the west. You know, you you claim 2499 02:19:38.520 --> 02:19:42.120 at some point, doing your Prosperity Gospels, that you converted 2500 02:19:42.159 --> 02:19:45.040 the Barbarians the Franks. When they were converted, the first 2501 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:48.280 thing they put into place was caesaral papies, and they 2502 02:19:48.319 --> 02:19:51.479 put symphonia into place. Look at Saint Gregory of Tours, 2503 02:19:51.520 --> 02:19:53.520 he rights the history of the Franks, the merrior of Angians, 2504 02:19:53.799 --> 02:19:55.760 the merror of Aingians. You know, not only were Orthodox 2505 02:19:55.799 --> 02:19:58.440 because by then Gium recognize them of Orthodox. The emperor 2506 02:19:58.479 --> 02:20:01.920 who was Orthodox, send them, you know, consulate titles, all 2507 02:20:02.000 --> 02:20:06.920 kinds of glory. But they had orthodox eclesiology. And if 2508 02:20:06.959 --> 02:20:09.959 you look at the history the Franks. In History of 2509 02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:13.040 the Franks, they are talking about first of all rights 2510 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:15.239 that they don't have any they don't have anymore, you know. 2511 02:20:15.840 --> 02:20:20.959 But also the fact that there was this link. You know, 2512 02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:23.879 the clergy was sort of an administrative class. There was 2513 02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:29.360 a very a very strong link throughout French history active 2514 02:20:29.399 --> 02:20:32.799 you will see the calicanism between between the clergy and 2515 02:20:32.959 --> 02:20:33.680 between the. 2516 02:20:36.040 --> 02:20:36.520 The state. 2517 02:20:37.239 --> 02:20:39.360 The first consul that the Franks made so so clovi 2518 02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:42.040 Is converted at the at the end of the four hundreds. 2519 02:20:42.479 --> 02:20:46.000 In in five to eleven, they already made a council 2520 02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:49.600 that state relevant that stated that you cannot enter the 2521 02:20:49.639 --> 02:20:52.600 clergy unless you have the unless the king is with you. 2522 02:20:52.959 --> 02:20:56.200 So can you really claim you converted friends, No, because 2523 02:20:56.239 --> 02:20:59.479 they didn't convert to Papism. They converted to Orthodox symphonia. 2524 02:20:59.639 --> 02:21:03.200 That's the very beginning of the conversion. Is the real conversion, 2525 02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:06.600 the real conversion of the West after the Barbarian invasions. 2526 02:21:07.040 --> 02:21:10.280 You can see throughout papal history. You can see, you know, 2527 02:21:10.680 --> 02:21:15.879 for example, Charlemagne trying to challenge things Charlemagne putting So 2528 02:21:16.079 --> 02:21:19.319 this is not like I'm not saying that Charlemagne was Orthodox. 2529 02:21:19.559 --> 02:21:22.799 I'm saying the merivingion, we're Orthodox, we have a good claim. 2530 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:26.079 So this Charlemagne started to introduce heresy. Charlemaine wanted to 2531 02:21:26.120 --> 02:21:29.159 create a parallel authority. But peppin. 2532 02:21:31.399 --> 02:21:33.959 Another and another rebuttal to this nonsense. 2533 02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:36.959 The even acknologies, even a clergy when say, oh, there's 2534 02:21:37.000 --> 02:21:41.959 the institution institution crisis. You know, yes, because because at 2535 02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:45.959 some point the emperor was putting out, like choosing the pope. 2536 02:21:46.079 --> 02:21:48.200 Yeah, the pope is the office of the papes are 2537 02:21:48.200 --> 02:21:51.920 being worn out to these nobility. Yeah, don't even know. 2538 02:21:53.319 --> 02:21:56.399 Yeah you have. Like for example, Charlemagne wanted to to 2539 02:21:56.520 --> 02:21:58.479 bring the felocal. He tried to make his own parallel 2540 02:21:58.520 --> 02:22:02.120 authority of the church. Probably or the further rebuked him, 2541 02:22:02.200 --> 02:22:04.600 said no, you made counter Counsul wrote that you cannot 2542 02:22:04.680 --> 02:22:08.479 change the creed, you know, And ultimately it's a descendant 2543 02:22:08.520 --> 02:22:12.319 of charleman Or the third, the first, who wants to 2544 02:22:12.399 --> 02:22:15.799 recreate the empire of Charlemagne. That in states the Philoquo 2545 02:22:15.840 --> 02:22:19.200 in Rome by you know, coming to Italy saying, oh no, 2546 02:22:19.319 --> 02:22:22.600 it's Holy One umpire removing the pope, putting out his 2547 02:22:23.000 --> 02:22:26.040 own preferred pope and say, noticing the philoquay, that's the 2548 02:22:26.040 --> 02:22:30.360 philoque come into came into place. So you know, it's 2549 02:22:31.520 --> 02:22:32.719 really if you look at the old history of the 2550 02:22:32.799 --> 02:22:37.319 church even later, you know, the Gallican Church, it didn't 2551 02:22:37.360 --> 02:22:39.280 really answer to Rome. If if you look at it, 2552 02:22:39.799 --> 02:22:41.879 there was it was a Gallican priest and he said, 2553 02:22:42.159 --> 02:22:45.200 is this literally promoted by Vatican One? You know, this 2554 02:22:45.440 --> 02:22:48.600 full answer like being answering to to Rome. That doesn't 2555 02:22:48.639 --> 02:22:52.360 work like this. The gallicans when the when the poor 2556 02:22:52.520 --> 02:22:55.479 try try to you know, be more ultimate maintained, you know, 2557 02:22:55.600 --> 02:22:58.319 bring more power. So he's actually had at the same 2558 02:22:58.399 --> 02:23:00.879 arguments that that we do, you know, bring up consuls. 2559 02:23:01.319 --> 02:23:03.200 You had the King of Friends at some point Louis 2560 02:23:03.239 --> 02:23:06.000 the fourteen stating that you know the purpose of vicker, 2561 02:23:06.079 --> 02:23:10.840 but I am the lieutenant of God. You you had 2562 02:23:12.120 --> 02:23:15.479 you had kings, you know, after after declarations of like 2563 02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:20.520 after some declarations of supremacy by the pope, you had 2564 02:23:20.600 --> 02:23:24.319 kings sending in commanders. That's that's the real, that's the 2565 02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:28.120 real thing that happened. You're sending like our militiam and 2566 02:23:28.200 --> 02:23:34.719 our army capturing the purpse, holding the hostage. Yeah, you had, 2567 02:23:35.159 --> 02:23:37.079 you had, you know, Peppin, you know, trying to you know, 2568 02:23:37.159 --> 02:23:39.559 creating the paper state, you know, to vassalize the paper states, 2569 02:23:39.760 --> 02:23:43.920 the avenue and papers is the same thing if if 2570 02:23:44.000 --> 02:23:46.840 any interaction between between church and state and the East 2571 02:23:46.959 --> 02:23:49.559 is caesar papers, And guess what you're with the most 2572 02:23:49.600 --> 02:23:53.079 scient papists and and you answer to this was paper Caesaries, 2573 02:23:53.200 --> 02:23:55.319 which was yeah. 2574 02:23:56.760 --> 02:24:00.120 And the and by the way, that doesn't end in 2575 02:24:00.200 --> 02:24:03.319 the Middle Ages or the Renaissance that continues all the 2576 02:24:03.360 --> 02:24:06.920 way up at the time of the election of Leo thirteenth. 2577 02:24:06.959 --> 02:24:10.440 Because as every trid knows, you all know, if you're 2578 02:24:10.440 --> 02:24:13.959 a studied trid about the story of Cardinal Rampola, I'll 2579 02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:17.040 put the old Catholic Family news article in the chat. 2580 02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:20.600 You can see it there preserved at Free Republic, which 2581 02:24:20.719 --> 02:24:24.000 is it's from two thousand and three. Did the Freemason 2582 02:24:24.079 --> 02:24:28.079 Cardinal Rampola almost become pope? And what does every trid 2583 02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:31.520 say about free Masonic infiltration? Oh, that's who's ruining us 2584 02:24:31.559 --> 02:24:33.280 all that they got us and all this stuff right, 2585 02:24:34.280 --> 02:24:37.920 And what's the story of Cardinal Rampola. The Austro Hungarian 2586 02:24:37.959 --> 02:24:41.559 emperor have the power of vetoing a certain election to 2587 02:24:41.680 --> 02:24:45.639 the papacy. So literally they believe that their papacy was 2588 02:24:45.719 --> 02:24:50.760 saved by Cicero papism in this story that all the 2589 02:24:50.840 --> 02:24:53.120 Trids believe for the most part. I'm sure there's some 2590 02:24:53.200 --> 02:24:56.120 trade who doesn't believe it, but most Trads, most SSPX, 2591 02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:59.000 most seat of a contests believe this story about Cardinal 2592 02:24:59.079 --> 02:25:03.200 Rampola and he was prevented from election because the cardinals 2593 02:25:03.239 --> 02:25:06.680 were going to elect him because the Austrian emperor knew. 2594 02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:10.440 And so the Austrian emperor had this veto power over 2595 02:25:11.879 --> 02:25:15.159 certain people being elected by the cardinals. So but when 2596 02:25:15.200 --> 02:25:18.120 that happens, it's not cesro papism. It's good, you see 2597 02:25:18.760 --> 02:25:21.159 they but there's countless examples of this kind of stuff, 2598 02:25:21.680 --> 02:25:23.840 and so for them to call it cesra papism on 2599 02:25:23.920 --> 02:25:26.680 our side, it's just total dishonesty and ignorance. I mean, 2600 02:25:26.760 --> 02:25:28.319 do they really not know any of the stuff. 2601 02:25:29.319 --> 02:25:31.680 If you call this Caesar PAPIs, it means that the 2602 02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:34.399 West was never really Catholic and you know, actually that's 2603 02:25:34.399 --> 02:25:36.920 the truth. If you look that they are anathematicism against 2604 02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:40.319 this kind of organization. If you look at these two 2605 02:25:40.399 --> 02:25:43.639 friends from Klobs the first king were converted to Vatican One, 2606 02:25:44.280 --> 02:25:46.600 they had the Gallican organization. If this is an anthem, 2607 02:25:46.639 --> 02:25:51.360 it means that Friends was never Catholic because Friends adopted 2608 02:25:51.399 --> 02:25:54.280 them a low of secularization of the Vatican One, because 2609 02:25:54.319 --> 02:25:57.520 they considered that it was treachery, that it incited treachery 2610 02:25:57.559 --> 02:26:04.399 against the nation way too a nationalist. Yeah that's fine. Uh, yeah, 2611 02:26:04.840 --> 02:26:08.399 this is really existsful claim Caesar papers. 2612 02:26:08.440 --> 02:26:10.719 And by the way, as you pointed out too many times, 2613 02:26:10.799 --> 02:26:14.399 the Council of Constance actually solves the problem of when 2614 02:26:14.440 --> 02:26:17.159 they have multiple so called claimants to the papacy. Now, 2615 02:26:17.200 --> 02:26:20.239 I thought the Papacy was there to solve the problems 2616 02:26:20.280 --> 02:26:23.000 of disunity, But what about the Council of Constance. 2617 02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:26.440 Yeah, Council of Constance is great because you have many 2618 02:26:26.479 --> 02:26:30.600 people who bring up the Council of Florence. The Council 2619 02:26:30.600 --> 02:26:33.239 of Florence a full part consul that was preceded by 2620 02:26:33.360 --> 02:26:35.959 the Council of Constance. And in the Council of Constance 2621 02:26:36.079 --> 02:26:39.920 there is a you know, consular document that was signed 2622 02:26:39.920 --> 02:26:42.159 by the Pope, that was chosen by the council. It 2623 02:26:42.319 --> 02:26:47.440 is called Hike Sunkta can look it up and it's 2624 02:26:47.520 --> 02:26:51.280 used by the tries today to try to remove paper authority. Interestingly, 2625 02:26:51.639 --> 02:26:55.600 and Hike Sancta states that the council is above the Pope, 2626 02:26:56.559 --> 02:26:59.879 and ultimately it is because of the propagation of considerism. 2627 02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:04.879 If I some during the Council of Constance that that 2628 02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:07.680 many Eastern bishops said, oh, maybe we can we can 2629 02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:10.520 mend the schism this, maybe we should try to have 2630 02:27:10.639 --> 02:27:13.399 a discussion. So as the Council of Basil, you are 2631 02:27:13.440 --> 02:27:17.639 the first Eastern bishops coming. And then and then of 2632 02:27:17.719 --> 02:27:20.440 course Florence, because we came to Florence because we're like, oh, 2633 02:27:20.520 --> 02:27:23.319 you know, these guys just propagated Hike Sancta in any 2634 02:27:23.360 --> 02:27:26.000 communical council presided by the Pope, signed by the pope 2635 02:27:26.479 --> 02:27:28.200 twenty years ago. You know, these guys are not going 2636 02:27:28.280 --> 02:27:32.239 to contradict themselves so drastically over the course of twenty years. 2637 02:27:32.280 --> 02:27:35.280 But they did. Florence was a big job. They really 2638 02:27:35.319 --> 02:27:37.559 met right as a whole show if you have the 2639 02:27:37.600 --> 02:27:40.520 Counsul of Florence, but as the Council of Florence itself 2640 02:27:40.600 --> 02:27:43.280 contradicts the other councils. So it's you know, they would say, 2641 02:27:43.319 --> 02:27:46.319 oh is this Machestereo. It's perfect, it doesn't contradict. You 2642 02:27:46.399 --> 02:27:50.479 have two consuls that tragically contradict one another. Uh, these 2643 02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:54.680 after schism, so they should they should theoretically know about it, right. 2644 02:27:54.680 --> 02:27:55.040 They should. 2645 02:27:55.239 --> 02:27:55.360 Right. 2646 02:27:56.000 --> 02:27:57.520 Another thing I want to address that they put that 2647 02:27:57.600 --> 02:27:59.799 I think you guys mentioned on youall stream, which was 2648 02:28:00.440 --> 02:28:06.520 the ever appealed to. Oh you guys in Byzantium fell 2649 02:28:06.600 --> 02:28:10.920 to Islam because of your Eastern orthodoxy? Uh do you 2650 02:28:11.280 --> 02:28:13.719 do you know who was in union with who when 2651 02:28:13.760 --> 02:28:15.520 Byzantium fell? Do they not know this? 2652 02:28:16.760 --> 02:28:18.879 Yeah? So they should know this first of all the 2653 02:28:19.000 --> 02:28:23.159 East in general. So you're creating a schism again because 2654 02:28:23.360 --> 02:28:26.799 the entire East, like most of the packet of the East, 2655 02:28:26.879 --> 02:28:30.399 fell to Islam in full community. From this includes that 2656 02:28:30.600 --> 02:28:36.000 is not limited to joselym Alexandria, Antiock and even Byzantium. 2657 02:28:36.079 --> 02:28:39.920 Byzantium fell under a union emperor and we cannot accept 2658 02:28:40.000 --> 02:28:42.959 him as like you know, if you see his constantly 2659 02:28:42.959 --> 02:28:45.639 in the eleventh he was he is a brother of 2660 02:28:46.000 --> 02:28:51.440 Emperor Johannes Emperor. Joannes even killed and martind like ordered 2661 02:28:51.600 --> 02:28:55.440 the killing of many i Tonite priests because they refused 2662 02:28:55.440 --> 02:28:59.040 a union. He wanted union. So yes, you know he 2663 02:28:59.520 --> 02:29:02.200 constantly felt. But they forget to understand that there even 2664 02:29:02.360 --> 02:29:08.159 was a contingent of of people and Venetian ships that 2665 02:29:08.360 --> 02:29:10.680 it came to help. So yes, if if you know 2666 02:29:10.760 --> 02:29:13.799 the fact that constant plyple felt is a curse orthodoxy, 2667 02:29:14.440 --> 02:29:17.879 it means that you know, it's it's Roman constant pus. 2668 02:29:18.639 --> 02:29:20.600 And if we're going to start reading the curses of 2669 02:29:20.719 --> 02:29:24.479 what's going on in civilization, then Western civilization has been 2670 02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:27.879 cursed by being Roman Catholic, and the degeneracy and the 2671 02:29:27.920 --> 02:29:30.040 apostacy that we see can be blown on Rome. I mean, 2672 02:29:30.200 --> 02:29:32.959 come on, that's ridiculous way to try to read the 2673 02:29:33.040 --> 02:29:34.600 tea leaves and the omens. 2674 02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:38.280 Agains the colors person. But this is prosperity gospel to 2675 02:29:38.399 --> 02:29:40.520 forget that, you know, Rome was you know, the Roman 2676 02:29:40.559 --> 02:29:44.680 Patricks was also invaded like to today today all of 2677 02:29:44.959 --> 02:29:47.159 northern Africa, which was you know at one point the 2678 02:29:47.239 --> 02:29:52.200 beating of the Romans reisdiction is today still Muslim. What 2679 02:29:52.440 --> 02:29:56.159 what can we say, oh you splinter in all different branches. 2680 02:29:56.639 --> 02:30:00.399 We we we we never splintered in different benches. People 2681 02:30:01.639 --> 02:30:03.319 went away from the church. He said, oh you have 2682 02:30:03.360 --> 02:30:06.440 the old calendarist. You have you have Silva Kantis. It's 2683 02:30:06.440 --> 02:30:10.120 the same thing. Oh you have the old ritualist as 2684 02:30:10.159 --> 02:30:14.959 old ritualists. Yeah, some group went away. Actually we were 2685 02:30:15.040 --> 02:30:19.559 back in even with many of them. But if if I, 2686 02:30:19.680 --> 02:30:22.040 if I use this metric to determine truth. First of all, 2687 02:30:22.120 --> 02:30:23.719 you know, it means that Islam who took over all 2688 02:30:23.760 --> 02:30:26.520 these places, maybe true. You know Nottings believes this. Say 2689 02:30:26.799 --> 02:30:28.719 the one will conquer constant noble as the right faith 2690 02:30:29.600 --> 02:30:32.680 again says that Protestantism. You know, Oh, Presentism comes from Rome. 2691 02:30:32.760 --> 02:30:36.600 You know there are songs of Rome. You know, maybe 2692 02:30:36.680 --> 02:30:38.559 maybe they are true, Maybe they are the truth. The 2693 02:30:38.600 --> 02:30:40.680 other the one we evangelize more, you know, the Pacha 2694 02:30:40.719 --> 02:30:45.120 mammas that was to prevent too hard and evangelism like 2695 02:30:45.280 --> 02:30:49.520 evangelism in the beating heard of Roman Catholicism. So yes, 2696 02:30:49.559 --> 02:30:52.719 this this is really weird. A prosperity gospel. We evangelize 2697 02:30:52.760 --> 02:30:55.799 more than you we evangelize. The barbarian already showed that 2698 02:30:55.920 --> 02:30:57.760 the Barbarians were not evangelized to. 2699 02:30:57.840 --> 02:31:02.000 Romanic evangelis right. I mean, go to New Orleans, go 2700 02:31:02.120 --> 02:31:05.000 down to the Congo and see if that's legitimate Christianity. 2701 02:31:05.479 --> 02:31:09.079 Yeah, you have people who call themselves Christians because they 2702 02:31:09.120 --> 02:31:12.559 were evangelized by rob who practice mutual cannibalism, have patcha 2703 02:31:12.600 --> 02:31:16.000 Mamma worship. These kind of things didn't appear after Vatican too. 2704 02:31:16.159 --> 02:31:19.280 This is how they were evangelized. They were evangelizing. 2705 02:31:19.639 --> 02:31:23.600 Yeah. This is the old culturation of the Jesuits. And 2706 02:31:23.760 --> 02:31:26.760 again I know there's different types of culturation, but my 2707 02:31:26.879 --> 02:31:30.479 point is that the syncretistic approach run with allism is 2708 02:31:30.559 --> 02:31:31.600 not real evangelism. 2709 02:31:32.600 --> 02:31:34.600 Yeah. So we can even say, like, did you evangualize 2710 02:31:34.600 --> 02:31:37.079 these people? I don't know, because right now you never 2711 02:31:37.319 --> 02:31:41.799 evangelize this place. It is coming back to Roome. So yes, 2712 02:31:41.840 --> 02:31:44.520 I talk about it in my stream type view. But 2713 02:31:44.639 --> 02:31:48.239 the Jesuits, so yes, this is really a weird kind 2714 02:31:48.319 --> 02:31:51.440 of prosperity gospel. We evangelize more people than you. If 2715 02:31:51.479 --> 02:31:54.120 you look at who re evangelized, at some point it 2716 02:31:54.159 --> 02:31:57.559 says who's a Greek? Who is a Greek? You have evangelized, well, 2717 02:31:58.200 --> 02:32:03.680 the Latins. If you look at the Christianity spread, you know, 2718 02:32:04.000 --> 02:32:07.200 if we eventulize someone first re evangelize. 2719 02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:11.280 Okay, I'm gonna let you if you have any of 2720 02:32:11.319 --> 02:32:12.760 the last points you want to get to. I'm not 2721 02:32:12.799 --> 02:32:15.719 trying to rush you, but I got a few mores 2722 02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:17.159 I want to make, and then maybe we'll wrap this up. 2723 02:32:17.159 --> 02:32:19.440 Because we were almost three hours, which which is a 2724 02:32:19.479 --> 02:32:21.959 good I think we dealt with most of the big ones. 2725 02:32:22.040 --> 02:32:24.879 But I'll let you have the floor and then we'll 2726 02:32:24.879 --> 02:32:27.280 do the super chats. I got, I got one point 2727 02:32:27.319 --> 02:32:28.680 I want to get to, and then I'll let you. 2728 02:32:29.399 --> 02:32:30.959 I'll let you finish here and then I'll do my 2729 02:32:31.000 --> 02:32:33.639 point and then we'll do the super chats. And by 2730 02:32:33.719 --> 02:32:36.360 the way, I'm also I'll put their stream into the 2731 02:32:36.399 --> 02:32:39.319 description of the show. I did share it on my 2732 02:32:39.479 --> 02:32:41.559 channel in the community tab, so you guys can find 2733 02:32:41.559 --> 02:32:43.479 their stream there. But if you're watching this, you know, 2734 02:32:43.639 --> 02:32:45.319 months down the road or a year from now or whatever, 2735 02:32:46.079 --> 02:32:48.520 I'll put David and Everybody's streaming here, and I have 2736 02:32:48.600 --> 02:32:51.360 their original link to Taylor Marshall stream too, so but 2737 02:32:51.760 --> 02:32:55.280 David and Lewis and Snack I'll have their response in 2738 02:32:55.360 --> 02:32:59.639 the description of the show as well. Yeah. 2739 02:33:01.639 --> 02:33:05.200 So yeah, we covered some other points in other streams. 2740 02:33:05.200 --> 02:33:11.719 So let's look make it too redundant. Yeah, Ultimately, what 2741 02:33:11.799 --> 02:33:14.840 I want to say that their own point is to 2742 02:33:14.959 --> 02:33:17.840 say that we are with the branch. We are withted 2743 02:33:17.879 --> 02:33:21.200 branch because we do not have the authority to do 2744 02:33:21.360 --> 02:33:23.399 a whole lot of things, because they worship authority and 2745 02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:26.520 not God. Actually, be sure that we still have this authority. 2746 02:33:26.559 --> 02:33:29.000 We still keep to the cannons, We still keep to 2747 02:33:29.639 --> 02:33:32.319 we still are able to have consols that are accepted 2748 02:33:32.360 --> 02:33:34.680 by tradition. And at the same time, it makes the 2749 02:33:34.760 --> 02:33:39.319 point that that Rome itself is not using its power. 2750 02:33:39.479 --> 02:33:41.719 That it has portents, but it's not using it. How 2751 02:33:41.799 --> 02:33:43.680 can I say that, you know, if if there is 2752 02:33:43.719 --> 02:33:47.520 no display of of this of this power, how can 2753 02:33:47.559 --> 02:33:49.040 I say that you are not the with the branch. 2754 02:33:49.120 --> 02:33:53.159 You know, as can be room can be grafted out, 2755 02:33:53.360 --> 02:33:56.000 and you can say that you have tranquility in mind 2756 02:33:56.239 --> 02:33:59.159 by saying, oh, you know the perful results thing, Oh 2757 02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:01.120 this is going to be true. You know, his popby 2758 02:34:01.120 --> 02:34:03.280 selected by the people that he names the cardinals. The 2759 02:34:03.360 --> 02:34:08.760 cardinals are all paused. It says, oh exactly, sy, it's 2760 02:34:08.799 --> 02:34:11.360 the only like, it's the only way out, accord to 2761 02:34:11.799 --> 02:34:15.559 one twenty. Yeah, the papacy is the way out for 2762 02:34:15.680 --> 02:34:19.319 the problem caused by the papacy, because with other papacy 2763 02:34:19.360 --> 02:34:22.040 you will have these problems in the first place. If 2764 02:34:22.120 --> 02:34:24.200 you like, this is the problem.