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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: I said, you're not going to be successful to kill

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them all. Take you out, and then I'm going to

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have to explain to people that I'd rather be tried

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by twelve than carried by six.

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Speaker 1: If you follow true crime and have for a while,

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then there's a place in Florida you might be familiar with.

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It's right in the heart of Florida, and it's far

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from the beaches and tourist traps. It's a little place

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called Polk County. It's mostly farmland, chain restaurants and retirement

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communities like the rest of Florida, but you may be

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familiar with the tough on crime press conferences that the

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share to hold, many of which have gone viral over

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the last couple of years. In Bulk County is the

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small city of Auburndale, nestled between Lakeland and winter Haven

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to shitholes by the way. It takes pride in being quiet, friendly,

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and the kind of place where neighbors recognize each other.

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Inside the gates of the Hamptons, a fifty five plus

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country club style retirement community are golf carts, manicured lawns,

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and rows of tiny, pre manufactured homes. At sunset, neighbors

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wave from their front porches as golf carts hum down

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the street. It's quiet, safe, or well it should be.

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But on September eighth, twenty twenty four, just after six

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in the evening, that calm was shattered behind the white

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siding of seventy seven Hewlett Drive. A boy's frantic voice

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reached another one one operator.

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Speaker 4: My mom now bleeding out.

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Speaker 5: He helped your mom enjoy what my mom's bleeding out?

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Speaker 6: He's bleeding out?

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 1: On the call was seventeen year old Colin Griffith. He

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told the dispatcher that his mother needed EMS because she

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was now bleeding out.

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Speaker 4: How do I with someone?

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Speaker 5: I didn't get into the hospital with someone?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 7: He called number one, So we're going to be an angelus.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have time. He's leaking at she chee's fucking nails.

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Speaker 6: Here's that time.

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Speaker 1: So now the ambulance couldn't get there fast enough. Colin's

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panic was obvious as he pleaded for them to help

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his mother. She didn't have a lot of time.

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Speaker 7: He's bleeding out.

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Speaker 1: She's bleeding from my mother, Colin's thirty nine year old mother,

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Kathy was bleeding from the neck and fading fast.

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Speaker 4: No peak, unconscious, breathing, No, no.

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Speaker 1: If you's not, I don't think why you said she

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was non responsive and not breathing before he said I

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don't think she's alive. Colin's voice trailed off as he

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realized his mother might already be dead. The dispatcher guided

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him through performing CPR. Colin got his mother flat on

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her back, positioned his hands over her heart, and started pumping.

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The dispatcher counted him down.

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Speaker 4: Wine true screen or wine true straight horror wine too

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fore moment.

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Speaker 1: As the dispatcher relayed information to first responders, Colin continued

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to pump his mother's chest.

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Speaker 8: The knife to go on it.

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Speaker 1: I know it's difficult to understand, but Colin said, we

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got into a fight. She lunged at me with a knife,

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and she fell on it. He explained it was a

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long and drawn out argument that ended with his mother

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trying to attack him with a knife, but instead she

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tripped and fell on it. She now had a gaping

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wound that was spilling blood until there wasn't any left.

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Speaker 2: There's no more blood coming out of the moon set off.

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Speaker 1: The wound was so large that the only thing CPR

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had done was helped pump the rest of her blood

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out onto the kitchen floor. Only then did the dispatcher

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instruct him on how to stop the bleeding, get a clean,

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dry towel, and apply pressure to the wound. The only

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thing was she had no blo blood left. It was

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already too late.

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Speaker 9: It felt like he fells.

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Speaker 1: Even though he himself thought it was already too late.

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Callin followed the dispatcher's instructions until first responders arrived and

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flooded the quiet retirement community with flashing lights and sirens.

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Speaker 7: As I walked into the house, I immediately began to

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clear the house as my partner walked up to Colin Griffith.

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And then after clearing the house, is when I walked

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back into the living room area made it known that

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it was clear, and that is when my partner advised

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me to take Colin Griffith outside.

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Speaker 8: And while walking into the kitchen, I saw a knife,

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a blood covered knife over in front of the washer

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and dryer. To my left saw the subject in the kitchen.

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In the kitchen, I saw a large pool of blood

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around the subjects head. In that area was spatter going

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up the side of the cabinet.

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Speaker 1: Deputies cleared the house so fire and rescue could enter.

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Say they made contact with Colin and immediately noticed something odd.

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Speaker 8: For doing normal CPR and everything everybody, assuming everybody's been

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taught and seeing videos on doing CPR from beside, the

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person never overtopped their head, blocking air, possibly blocking airways.

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Speaker 1: The home was narrow, no larger than a single wide trailer.

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There wasn't enough room for Colin to kneel next to

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his mother, so he knelt over her head, but from

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the looks of her wound, it didn't matter if he

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was doing it the right way.

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Speaker 10: The stabloon itself did not seem to be very wide.

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It was kind of narrow in size. Upon for inspection

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after starting the CPR, it was obvious that every time

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I did a compression there was air that's coming through

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the wound itself, so it was obviously pretty deep. It

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looked like a lot of the vastulature and the stuff

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inside of the wound itself was very obvious and could

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be seen, and that they had cut major areas such as.

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Speaker 1: Ars amts rushed inside and surrounded her body, but there

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was nothing they could do. Only thirteen minutes after the

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nine to one one call started, Kathy was pronounced deceased,

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but her cause of death was questionable. The EMTs didn't

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have all the information from the nine to one one call.

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They didn't know about the long fight. All they knew

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was what they saw, and it seemed improbable that Kathy

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tripped and stabbed herself directly in the jugular. The knife

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entered the front part of her neck and exited the

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back left. The entire prospect was too cartoonish. Stranger still

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was Colin's behavior in the moments after her first responders arrived.

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Speaker 7: When I first walked him outside, he was a little

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bit frantic, seemed like something was definitely going on. And

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then as he began to explain what happened is when

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he became very calm.

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Speaker 10: His demeanor completely changed from my personal experience. It was

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a little odd in nature. He didn't seem very distraught

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or upset. He seemed kind of calm upon my entering

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the residence, and then upon exiting the residence he seemed

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to almost have a not a full argument, but somewhat

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argumentative with the deputies that were trying to assist him

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out of the residence.

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Speaker 1: He was calm, too calm. He had just witnessed his

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mother die, but he wasn't distraught, He wasn't even panicked

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like in the nine to one one call. Before deputies

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could ask him any questions, he exclaimed, I know my rights.

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I want an attorney. On the nine to one one call,

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he claimed her death was accidental after he and his

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mom got into an argument that got out of hand.

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Then he asked for a lawyer before any questions could

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be asked. But later he would offer up another explanation.

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He said he was on the floor and his mother

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was on top of him with a knife. She was

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bearing down, ready to stab him, when at the last second,

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he turned the blade towards her and she fell on it,

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just like in the movies. You know, Colin was placed

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in the back of a patrol car as the nervous

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neighbors looked on. Every law enforcement officer who witnessed the

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scene knew Kathy didn't fall on that knife, but the

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only person who could tell them what happened that just

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lawyered up was Kathy, a deranged mother in a homicidal rage.

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Was she mommy dearest? Or was Colin a cold and

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calculated killer. Only a thorough investigation would provide that answer.

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Inside the Hampton's, a quiet retirement community in Auburndale, Florida,

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seventeen year old Colin Griffith called nine to one one.

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A teenager in panic, He begged the dispatcher to save

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his mother as she bled from a wound to the neck,

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But when deputies arrived minutes later, they found it different. Colin,

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his mother, Kathy, lay in the kitchen. It was too

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late to help her, and the boy who sounded so

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desperate on the phone was now composed cold. Even what

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started as a call for help had become a homicide investigation.

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The scene inside the house was grim, but outside, others

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had seen and heard things that would soon cast Colin's

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story in more doubt. Neighbors along Hewlett Drive told investigators

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what they witnessed that evening.

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Speaker 11: Let me start from the very starre Yeah, I got

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a phone call yes yesterday from the lady that owns

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the property, Because I do.

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Speaker 10: When you see the property, what property are you referring to?

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Speaker 4: The white house?

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Speaker 12: Okay, the one that's directly across where the dead bees

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are at.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what is the name of the lady you spoke with, Susan?

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Susan Durkham. I don't know how she's got a weird

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last name.

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Speaker 1: The owner of the home was Colin's grandmother, Susan Debtman.

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She called her neighbor the day before to let her

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know Colin would be arriving and not to worry.

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Speaker 11: My grandson is going to be coming to stay at

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my house. I just want to let you know if

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you see a black car in the driveway, it's my grandson.

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And I said, oh, okay, yeah, I know Colin. Yeah,

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no problem. That was the end of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Like any good neighbor, the residents of the Hamptons looked

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out for each other. I mean, they have a lot

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of free time on their hands. It is, after all,

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a retirement community.

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Speaker 4: Now, that white car didn't show up till today.

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Speaker 12: Do you know whose white car that is?

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Speaker 4: As a young lady with dark hair.

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Speaker 12: Have you ever seen her before?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've sent her over there before.

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Speaker 10: And you don't know who she is.

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Speaker 4: Susan said, it's her daughter.

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Speaker 1: Almost immediately after Colin's mother arrived, they started arguing.

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Speaker 11: This car shows up today and she pulls in the driveway,

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and the kid comes out, and she backs out of

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the driveway and she pulls it right there, and she

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gets out with her purse and walks up there, and

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him and her started arguing and then start throwing stuff

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in the black guar.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it was. Looked like clothes and stuff.

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Speaker 11: And next thing I know, he pulled her by the

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hair of the head and pulled her back into the house.

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Speaker 1: This neighbor could hear the argument, but not what they

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were saying. Another neighbor heard a little more.

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Speaker 4: Then I heard her say, let me go, let me go,

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and you got my head. You're hurting me. You're hurting me,

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and he drug her in the fills.

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Speaker 1: Two neighbors witnessed the start of the argument. As soon

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as Kathy got out of her car, she started talking

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with Colin. The neighbors couldn't hear what they were saying,

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but their body language screamed argument. Then Colin grabbed a

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fistful of his mother's hair and pulled her inside as

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she yelled, let me go, you're hurting me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I knew some problems as she had rid

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of runs.

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Speaker 12: In before and those huh, what are those problems?

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Speaker 11: Well, she said that the mother and the grandson were

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at each other last winter, and the grandson come and

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stayed here. I guess there was some problems here because

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the cops were out here two or three times last winter.

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Speaker 1: Apparently this wasn't the first time Colin had fought with

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his mother. The previous year, Colin stayed with his grandmother

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to let things cool off between him and his mom,

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but the tension between them never left a simmering point.

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Speaker 11: I called Susan. Sue's all this happened? I called Susan,

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I said, Susan's uth going on over to your house?

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I said, his cops everywhere. I said, you're great, and

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sons outside, it looks like he's crying. She said, where's

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my daughter?

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Speaker 1: I said, I don't know that tension must have built

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and built, has it erupted in a fight in the

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driveway ending with Kathy being stabbed in the neck.

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Speaker 11: And then while you guys are out there doing that,

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guess get what phone call?

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Speaker 7: I get?

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Speaker 4: His probation officer calls, who's that?

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Speaker 12: Collins called you?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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Speaker 4: If I heard the phone call in there It's from

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a nine four six number. And she says, is this

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kay Jones? I said yes.

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Speaker 11: She said, well, I am calling so and so's probation officer.

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I'm a juvenile detention officer is calling okay? And I said, yeah,

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cop sitting out there talking to him. But I don't

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know anything else. And she said, did you hear any

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gunshots or anything?

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Speaker 4: I said no. I said, what's going on? She said,

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is oh okay?

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Speaker 11: And I said yeah.

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Speaker 1: The neighbors at the Hamptons didn't know Colin's background, but

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a call from his juvenile probation officer hinted at him

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being a troubled teen. When his grandmother finally arrived home,

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she found her normally quiet street in chaos. Immediately she

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knew her daughter was dead, and she also knew who

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had done it.

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Speaker 12: How was the relationship at the beginning.

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Speaker 14: In the beginning, it was fine, okay, and then there

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started to be problems.

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Speaker 12: Okay? Can you describe the problems?

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Speaker 14: He didn't want to do what Kathy told him to do.

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Kathy would basically, you know, harp on him.

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Speaker 1: When Colin attacked his mother and stomped on her hand.

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She was only trying to discipline her seventeen year old son.

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He hadn't done the chores she assigned him. She threatened

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to take away his xbox and cell phone. That's when

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Colin flipped out.

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Speaker 14: So anyway, so I was there and he pushed her

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and stomped on her hand.

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Speaker 1: Colin stood up, looked at his mother in the eye

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and said, let's go, before pushing her to the ground

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with a single move and stomping on her hand. Needless

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to say, the police were called.

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Speaker 12: I'm in a constant state of thought.

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Speaker 15: It by it, and I don't know if I think

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she's going to do something. Even if she's not, I

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might act. I'm not going to go crazy or anything,

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but I'm I'm not sure, honest.

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Speaker 14: Yes, So then he was in the police squad. Cathy

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refused to go to the hospital for her hand mm hmmm.

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And he called me over to the police squad and said, Mama,

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you know she pushed me first. And I said, Colin,

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I was there, that's not what happened.

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Speaker 4: I said, I.

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Speaker 14: Agree that she was very aggressive to you. I said,

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but you pushed her and we talked about this, and

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then you stomped on her hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tried to say she attacked him first, but his

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grandmother witnessed the whole thing. He was arrested and charged

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as a juvenile for domestic violence.

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Speaker 14: So he was put on probation.

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Speaker 12: Okay for that incident. Yes, was he charged with domestic violence?

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Speaker 16: Yep, he was.

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Speaker 14: He was. He was put on probation. He was supposed

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to be getting off of probation this month.

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Speaker 1: Colin was processed, charged and sentenced to probation. The court

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recommended he remained separate from his mother for some time

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before going home, so he lived with his grandmother for

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a couple of weeks. As if that's a solution. Am

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I the only one noticing a lack of male paternal

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figures in Colin's life.

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Speaker 14: When she came to pick him up, he ran away.

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So then he was gone for two days. We couldn't

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find him because she came and he looked at me

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and he said, you are fucking crazy. If you think

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that I'm getting in the car with my mom, you

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have gone completely nuts. And I went Colin, we talked

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about all this. He said, I'm not going back, and

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he took off. It was pouring down rain, So finally

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you all picked him up and took him to DHS

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or whatever it's called in this state, you know, the yes.

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So he ran away from df DSF dyslexic much he

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was out again. So finally he was picked up and

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law enforcement brought him home. And that's when they said,

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we're going to have lease coming, you know every so often,

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like every day, it's anywhere from I think seven in

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the morning to midnight, to check and make sure you

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guys are okay.

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Speaker 1: After a couple of weeks, said his grandmother's, Colin refused

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to return to his mother's house. He ran off into

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the rain and was gone for two days. When the

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police finally found him, they took him into the Crisis

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Stabilization Unit CSU is a short term, specialized facility that

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provides immediate, round the clock psychiatric care and support for

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individuals experiencing a severe mental health crisis, such as suicidal thoughts,

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severe agitation, or psychosis. There, Colin was evaluated, deemed not

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a threat to himself for others, and released. They love

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their catch and release at these places because they just

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don't have the money, the funding, the beds to keep people.

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Why is that when we spend so much money in

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this country, so much more than we even make really

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in taxes every year. We can't even provide basic services.

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I wonder who's sneaking into the cookie jar when we're

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not looking. Anyway, the front doors opened wide for Colin

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and he walked straight out of that facility, cured supposedly.

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Speaker 10: And when the doors opened, young man came straight up

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to me and approached me and said, I needed to

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be baker acting. Were you surprised to hear that?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, busically people want to leave.

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Speaker 17: Did you ask him why he said that, Yes.

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Speaker 2: I did. It's unusual.

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Speaker 10: He said, I need to be baker acted because I'm

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either going to go kill myself or and he said

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his mother.

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Speaker 1: Colin didn't want to go back home with his mom.

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He went further, saying he would throw them out of

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the car, shoot them, or stab them. He also mentioned

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that his grandmother wasn't safe if he went home with

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her either. Maybe sometimes we should listen to these people

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when they're telling us exactly what they're going to do. No, okay,

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suit yourself. Colin was placed on a psychiatric hold for

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three more days. Eventually he had to go back home

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with his mom. Though anyway, for a while, everything was okay,

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A couple of officers were signed to him, and they

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would check in at random times every day to ensure

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he and his mom were okay. He even started to

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go to church with one of the officers. He graduated

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from high school a year early, got a job, and

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enrolled in college. Then the tension between him and his

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mom arose again. By September seventh, twenty twenty four, the

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day before Kathy's death, they were doing nothing but arguing.

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Speaker 14: So Colin called me at one and said, my mom

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kicked me out. What am I supposed to do? I said,

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you need to go back home? He said, no, no,

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I don't feel comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Kathy had kicked him out of the house, so Colin

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loaded up his car and went to Grandma Susan's. Susan

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was once again inserted into the middle of the argument.

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She spoke with Kathy and even though she kicked him out,

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she now demanded that he come home the next morning.

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Speaker 14: She wanted Colin to be at home at ten o'clock.

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Speaker 12: In the morning. In the morning, yes, okay, she said.

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Speaker 14: If not, she was calling the police. She was training

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him in as a runaway. I said, he can't be

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turned in in a runaway. He's at my house. And

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Detective Lacey even said that's fine, and she said, well,

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he didn't tell his probation officer. I said, yes, he did.

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He left a message that he was going to his

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grandmother's house. Yes, she said, I'm going to come and

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get him. He's going to follow me with with his car.

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He didn't have gas. She had blocked his checking account,

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his check card, so he didn't have access to that.

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I told Colin, I said, your mom's going to be there.

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Speaker 4: I said, don't touch her.

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Speaker 17: Be nice.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, Colin didn't take that advice. Kathy lay lifeless on

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her mother's kitchen floor in a pool of blood. Colin

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sat in the back of a patrol car, waiting to

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be taken to the station and charged with murder. In

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the days that followed, detectives spoke with the rest of

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Colin's family, trying to understand exactly what had happened between

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him and his mother. His grandfather wasn't surprised at all.

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Speaker 2: He and his mom were having difficulties and when she'd

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set down limits on behavior, he would not just rebel,

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he would become violent. And they had asked me because

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Susan said, hey, can't. I can't deal with this and

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he can't be with Kathy because he's threaten to kill her.

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And I said, he's starting to kill you too, right, Susan?

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She said, well, yes, of course he has. I said, okay,

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And I told her multiple times I don't care what

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you have to do get rid of the boy. Well

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will you take him?

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Speaker 4: I said, hell no, I just know, but hell no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that boy is thrashed in the head. He is weaponized.

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He is going to kill you, your mother me.

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Speaker 1: Colin's grandfather painted a frightening picture of Colin and Kathy's relationship.

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He was a violent teenager who didn't like authority or responsibility.

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I mean, who does really. Both Grandma Susan and Kathy

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were afraid of him. But what do you do where

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a seventeen year old You can't control ladies any ideas? Man,

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This society is cooked, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: He also told me in detail four months ago, how

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he wanted to murder his mother and he really wanted

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to literally see the blood squirt out of her neck.

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That's what he wanted.

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Speaker 12: He told you this four months ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, weren't anything else he wanted that I mean,

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he talked about strangling earth, and he said, but I

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could do that, But really, what I want to do

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is I want to watch the blood squirt out of

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her and watch the life squirt out of her. I said,

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that's not really good. He goes, yeah, but it's what

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I want to do. And so I just let the

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kid go and be like, well, tell me more, tell

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me more. This sounds interesting. Yeah, Oh, I want to

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see the gore. I want to watch it pump out

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of her.

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Speaker 12: Wow, if you are the.

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Speaker 2: Puppy, he goes, yeah, it did, well, that'd be a

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lot of power. He goes yeah.

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Speaker 1: Detectives were building a case. The story of the fight

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and falling on a knife was way too far fetched.

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Colin seemed to be troubled, and there were records of

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this with every interaction he had with law enforcement and

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the Department of Children and Families. Even his own grandfather

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saw him as a danger to those around him, and

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there was a big reason for this, As if the

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murder of a woman by her teenage son wasn't horrific enough.

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The Polk County Sheriff held yet another press conference to

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inform the public of the rest of the story.

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Speaker 16: A cold blooded murder of a thirty nine year old

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mother by her seventeen year old son. It all started

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on September the eighth, which was this last Sunday, when

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we got a nine to one to one call from

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Colin Griffith, who's seventeen years of age. Here's what he said.

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He said he and his mother had a very long

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fight and she fell on a knife and killed herself

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when the deputies arrived. He met the deputies outside and

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he was calm, cool, collected, not upset, and he had

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blood on him. What we found inside was this knife.

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This knife is twelve inches long, and of the twelve inches,

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eight inches of that it is the blade. So he

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said that his mother fell on this knife. The medical

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examiner said it is not reasonable or plausible that she

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died the way that he said she did.

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Speaker 4: Just didn't happen.

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Speaker 16: There were witnesses outside the mobile home that actually saw

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Colin dragged his mother into the house by the hair

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on her head. Colin is about six foot and one

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hundred and sixty pounds.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't even the most damning evidence that Colin had

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purposefully killed his mother.

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Speaker 16: But let me go through some details because as we

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start to peel back the layer of this onion. We

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find out that this is not just a singular event,

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with Colin stabbing his mother in the neck and ultimately

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killing her. Here's what we found, and follow me as

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I read a timeline to you. February fourteenth, twenty twenty three,

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on Valentine's Day, Lincoln County, Oklahoma, Colin said that his

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dad pulled a knife on him and he shot and

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killed his dad. That's right. His father was named Charles.

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He shot him once in the chest and once in

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the head, and he claimed self defense.

477
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: That's right. Colin had killed his father just nineteen months

478
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:14,759
earlier in Oklahoma. But the pieces starting to fit together yet.

479
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 13: Dispatch got a call of a shooting. We responded, had

480
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,119
a fifteen year old male caller on the phone said

481
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,960
that his dad had a knife and had him cornered

482
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,599
and he had to shoot him. Dad has a girlfriend

483
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,440
at fiance that was at the grocery store, and so

484
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,519
she's returned since then and we've talked to her, so

485
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:42,279
she's been notified as well. There are several firearms in there,

486
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,240
so I don't know. We haven't done any kind of

487
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:47,079
trace or anything on that yet. There is lots of

488
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,000
guns in the house.

489
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,559
Speaker 16: The Lincoln County Sheriff's office and the Oklahoma stbuta of

490
00:28:53,640 --> 00:29:00,680
investigations charged Colin with murder in the first degree. They

491
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,359
dropped the charges less than a month later. They said

492
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:12,000
they could not disprove Collins's assertion of self defense, so

493
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,160
he was released.

494
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: He claimed self defense, and a month later all charges

495
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160
were dropped. He just spent a couple of weeks in

496
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,839
jail and that was it. Shortly after, Oklahoma sent him

497
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,200
to his mother in Florida. There he was arrested for

498
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,400
beating up his mom, ran away, and was put on

499
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:37,680
psychiatric hold twice. If only humans were good at seeing patterns,

500
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,160
you know.

501
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,519
Speaker 16: So now we're to the faithful day on September eighth.

502
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:47,920
Our investigation clearly and unequivocally shows that that circumstance did

503
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,720
not occur like that. In fact, he used similar language

504
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,559
to when he made the nine to one to one

505
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:59,240
call what eighteen or twenty months earlier, when he shot

506
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:59,960
and killed his father.

507
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: The authorities did notice a pattern. Well, it was possible

508
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,519
that Colin acted in self defense against one parent. It's

509
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,039
highly improbable that he would have done so again with

510
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:14,160
a different one for me once, shame on you for

511
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,519
me twice, and we won't be fooled again, or some

512
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,480
shit I don't remember.

513
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,839
Speaker 16: It's important to understand. When you look at this, you

514
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880
see a kid. When I look at him, I see

515
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,119
a psychopath. I see totally erratic behavior, to the point

516
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,240
that he's all ready, at seventeen years of age, shot

517
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,640
and killed his father and got away with it, and

518
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,519
stabbed his mother in the neck so hard that the

519
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,839
knife went all the way through and was to the

520
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,200
back of her neck and she died there. He's being

521
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:59,240
charged with first degree murder, obviously, and we're asking the

522
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,519
State Attorneys office. It's their decision, but our State Attorney's

523
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:07,119
office is the greatest to prosecute him as an adult.

524
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,880
Now he's killed two people and killed his mother and father,

525
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,720
and I can assure you beyond into the exclusion of

526
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:20,000
every reasonable doubt based upon his conduct, had he gone

527
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,039
to live with his grandmother at the end of this

528
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:27,720
and she crossed him, she would be next. He's violent,

529
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:37,279
he's dangerous. He showed zero remorse, zero remorse. He is

530
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:42,920
a dangerous human being. Nothing gives you the right to

531
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,680
unilatterly stab your mother and kill her.

532
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 12: And I'm not.

533
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 16: Convinced based upon what I know now. Now Oklahoma didn't

534
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,359
know this then, there were no witnesses to him shooting

535
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,319
his dad. I'm not sure now that he didn't set

536
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,880
his dad up to murder him.

537
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: It turns out that Colin's story was much more complicated

538
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,319
than anyone realized. It started long before he was even born.

539
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:16,359
Colin's aunt, Christine says it all started back when Kathy

540
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:17,519
was only thirteen.

541
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,079
Speaker 18: Her ex husband actually had to crush on me and

542
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200
was pursuing me. And when I was like, I am

543
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:26,359
not interested.

544
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:31,319
Speaker 1: Aunt Christine is talking about Charles Griffith, Colin's father and

545
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,480
Kathy's ex husband, who everyone called Chuck.

546
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 18: But when I finally like, was like, you got to stop,

547
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,440
he well, actually he didn't stop. He kept calling my

548
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:45,039
house and then he would start talking to my sister.

549
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,319
He just latched onto her.

550
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: Chuck pursued Christine and called her house all the time.

551
00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,200
But when she told Chuck she wasn't interested, he went

552
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,480
for the next best thing, her younger sister. They became

553
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,640
inseparable in a bad way.

554
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 18: We found out that she was pregnant shortly after one

555
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,880
of her mini runaway incidentss and I begged her to

556
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,720
give the baby up for adoption because I knew that

557
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,759
if she hadn't, that her life with Chuck was never

558
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,960
going to be good. So anyway, obviously she didn't. Christopher

559
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:21,559
is here.

560
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,519
Speaker 19: Well, so they end up getting married, and she's married

561
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,359
at a really young age fourteen. He's what now, seventeen

562
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,839
eighteen at that point.

563
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 18: No, no, no, okay, she was nineteen when he got

564
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,039
her pregnant at thirteen.

565
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: When Kathy got pregnant at thirteen, her mother gave her

566
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:46,039
a choice, put up the baby for adoption or mary Chuck.

567
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,160
She chose poorly. She chose to marry Chuck.

568
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,519
Speaker 18: So at fourteen, she got her ged and she started

569
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,039
taking college classes. Because Chuck never had a job, never

570
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,359
had a job, but he always girls.

571
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,799
Speaker 12: He never was a teacher or anything like that.

572
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 18: Oh no, no, he was a teacher. That's how he

573
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,039
found the little girls. But Kathy got his degree for

574
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:09,840
him online.

575
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,559
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, yeah, of course he liked little girls.

576
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,679
He impregnated a thirteen year old after he was already

577
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,000
a legal adult. Kathy and Chuck got married and moved

578
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,719
into their own house to playhouse. Kathy gave birth to

579
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,960
their first son, Christopher, and then attended school online. She

580
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:35,599
got teaching degrees for herself and for Chuck, but Chuck

581
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,679
used that degree not to teach, but to get close

582
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,320
to underage girls. That is, until he would get caught

583
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,320
and he would get fired. Chuck was unemployed a lot.

584
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,840
The family moved often, presumably for work and to escape

585
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,559
whatever stigma Chuck stirred up being the pedo that he was.

586
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,840
Fast forward to twenty nineteen and the family was in Florida.

587
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 18: But I guess Kathy had a student that she was

588
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,199
kind of kind of adopted for lack of better words.

589
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,159
Speaker 4: Her name was Gabby.

590
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 18: Gabby like you move in with them, I mean Kathy.

591
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,039
Kathy called Gabby her daughter, and then it turns out

592
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,360
that Chuck and her were in a relationship, and Chuck

593
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,039
left Kathy for Gabby.

594
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,639
Speaker 1: Kathy had taken a sixteen year old student named Gabby

595
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,639
under her wing and into her home. It was an

596
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,079
act of compassion for a young girl with few options. Chuck,

597
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,920
on the other hand, suddenly had a young girl living

598
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,360
in his house. Oh boy. When Kathy discovered the affair,

599
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,440
it was the final straw she had put up with

600
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,599
his infidelity long enough, the divorce was nasty. Colin's older brother,

601
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,920
Christopher was already out of high school, so Kathy and

602
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,920
Charles fought over twelve year old Colin. Eventually, Charles, Colin,

603
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:03,840
and Gabby moved to Oklahoma. Colin became separated from his

604
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,760
mother and the rest of the family.

605
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,519
Speaker 4: Why was dad so bad to Colin?

606
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,559
Speaker 14: What did he do well? He isolated him. He wouldn't

607
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:16,679
allow him to leave the farm, he wouldn't let him

608
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,719
go to school. He refused to have him in Scouts,

609
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,679
and he kept saying, I can't put him in school

610
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,599
because I'm afraid Kathy will come to the school and

611
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840
bring DHS in and then they'll get involved, which DHS

612
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:34,320
in Oklahoma did get involved, but all they said was

613
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,880
they need family counseling, and they left it at that.

614
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,039
Colin did have family counseling, it was court ordered and

615
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,559
his father refused to take and he took him once

616
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,519
and then he said, no, I'm not taking him back.

617
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 19: So did they have any type of communication while he

618
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,559
was in oklahom No.

619
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 18: She would not let Colin talk.

620
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,599
Speaker 19: To Kathy at all, Like they never spoke or did

621
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:01,039
she every once in a while, like Chris miss or birthdays,

622
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,079
like how did she talk to him?

623
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 18: Well, usually Chuck wanted extra money and then he would

624
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:11,639
let her talk to him, but only on speaker phone

625
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,480
in front of him. There was one time where he

626
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,880
got a phone and called Taffy and then when Chuck

627
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,760
found out about it, he really really beat him.

628
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,639
Speaker 1: For three years, Colin only had his father and the

629
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,360
barely older Gabby to interact with. Things were bad and

630
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:32,320
only got worse.

631
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 12: Go back three years.

632
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 9: I let him to fourteen years old, Like he's still

633
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,360
wearing the same clothes as an eleven year old was

634
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,159
wearing as a fourteen year old. Was is to the

635
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:46,199
point that one of my siblings are on My mother said, like, hey,

636
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,559
the shoes that he had weren't fitting him there this

637
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:50,039
is the point that his toes.

638
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 12: Were like crunched up and punched up.

639
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 9: And everything like the shirts and pants and everything that

640
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,960
he was wearing like barely fit him where they were

641
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,440
too tight.

642
00:37:58,639 --> 00:37:59,639
Speaker 12: He was malnourished.

643
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 9: Him just going to like a Walmart with my sister

644
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:07,559
was causing them to have social anxiety and stuff like that,

645
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,119
which he said.

646
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 6: His main food so a week was like a gallon

647
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,280
of milk steak and potatoes. I had to teach him

648
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,280
how to like use a towel after a show because

649
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,039
when he first originally got here, he would just come

650
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,679
out of a show and put his clothes on it

651
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,519
drip rod. In my head, that's triggering, you know, some

652
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,719
type of abuse, because when you're that age, tell do

653
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,880
you not know how to use a shadow?

654
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 14: He was on a futon mattress in the laundry room.

655
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: As Colin got older and entered puberty, he discovered his sexuality,

656
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,039
another thing Chuck had a problem with.

657
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 14: Colin said that his dad would have sex sat right

658
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,400
in the next bedroom with him so that he could

659
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,960
hear everything that was going on, because Colin felt that

660
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,480
he was gay, and so the dad was trying to

661
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,599
change him out of being gay.

662
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,519
Speaker 12: Colin felt that he was gay.

663
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yeah, you realize how mentally perverted Barrels was.

664
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,079
He'd beat Kathy, he'd beat the kids. I mean, this

665
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:21,000
guy was. This guy was a major psychological manipulator and

666
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:27,400
abuser physically mentally. But this guy was a complete psychopath.

667
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: Finally, on Valentine's Day twenty twenty three, while Gabby was

668
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:35,440
out of the house, Colin shot and killed his father.

669
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 14: The dad refused to let Colin have anything to do

670
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,719
with his mom, but Colin wanted to leave. He wanted

671
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,440
to live with his mom, but the dad cornered him

672
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,400
or either cornered or the wall and had a knife

673
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,840
and said, you're going to stay into this tape recording

674
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,480
that you want to live with me, and that's all

675
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,559
there is to it. I'm not going to to court

676
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,719
and be embarrassed by you saying you want to live

677
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,599
with your mom. And so, as I said, he had

678
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,119
twenty three guns loaded in the house. And so when

679
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,480
he went back, one of the pistols was right there,

680
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:14,920
and he pulled in and shot him.

681
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 12: Was his dad like backing him into a corner?

682
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

683
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,199
Speaker 1: Colin called nine one one and explained that his father

684
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,119
had attacked him with a knife and he shot him

685
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,079
in self defense. The police arrested him and pressed charges,

686
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:31,519
only to drop them a month later. They couldn't prove

687
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,840
it was or wasn't self defense.

688
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,079
Speaker 2: Good mother and his grandmother, Susan, knew that he had

689
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:42,280
murdered his father because he admitted it to both of them.

690
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 19: Did he admit to killing him and self defense or

691
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,320
did he admit just to killing him.

692
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: He admitted to setting the whole thing.

693
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,679
Speaker 12: Up, to setting the whole thing up.

694
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I told Colin, I said, Colin, I don't

695
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,119
agree with what you did, but you know what, I

696
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,679
thought you of.

697
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 10: Beer and give you a fucking award.

698
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: You took the trash out. Thank you.

699
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: Let's face it, Chuck was a real piece of shit.

700
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,840
Perhaps the police in Oklahoma looked at this meek little

701
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,039
kid and felt pity. Why charge Colin with murder if

702
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:20,159
no one was going to miss Chuck after all? But

703
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:25,840
now with his mother's death, it changed the way everyone

704
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:49,119
saw his self defense claim. Paul County deputies found Colin

705
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:53,039
Griffith calm after the death of his mother, her lifeless

706
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,800
body just a few feet away. He claimed it was

707
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,360
self defense. She attacked him and stabbed herself in the

708
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,960
neck somehow, but neighbors saw him drag her into the

709
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,079
house by her hair. His grandmother described arguments, fights, and

710
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:12,599
threats of violence, even murder. After his arrest, the sheriff

711
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,280
revealed this wasn't his first murder. Eighteen months earlier, he

712
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,960
shot and killed his father, one to the chest and

713
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,519
one to the head. Family members described a life of

714
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:29,719
isolation neglect and abuse at the hands of a pedophile father.

715
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:34,480
They thought he did it on purpose, but they couldn't

716
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,079
blame him. After charges in Oklahoma were dropped, Colin moved

717
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back in with his mother, Kathy. On the surface, it

718
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,920
looked like stability. She took him on trips bottom clothes,

719
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,239
got him back in school, and tried to give him

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the kind of normal teenage life he'd never had.

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Speaker 3: She was trying to help call and reorient to a

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00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,079
life where he wasn't just stuck out in the middle

723
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,000
of nowhere. So they did things like they went to Washington,

724
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,880
d C. They went to White House, they went all

725
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,119
over DC, saw everything in orders to see there. She

726
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:19,639
took him on trips to Central America to Caribbean. She

727
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,639
was trying to get him back into as close as

728
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:28,679
she could in normal life and create opportunities that the

729
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two of them missed for so many years.

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Speaker 1: But Colin was basically an only child for three years.

731
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He wasn't required to do much. I mean, he didn't

732
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even have to go to school. Besides, he had the

733
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,719
barely older soon to be stepmom, Gabby to pick up

734
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,239
after him. So when Kathy started requiring chores, Colin would rebel,

735
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,079
and Kathy would push even harder.

736
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Speaker 12: I feel like.

737
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Speaker 18: She wanted to get back an eight year old little boy,

738
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,679
but that is not what.

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Speaker 1: She got back.

740
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I know she wanted the best for him, but

741
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,199
she just pushed so much on him.

742
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 4: He's got to take these college classes.

743
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,559
Speaker 18: He's got to do this for bright future scholarship. He's

744
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:15,800
gotta you know, he's got to help the chores, and

745
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,920
just so much, so fast. And I was like, Kathy,

746
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,599
just let him take normal classes. Don't don't make him

747
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:24,880
take a college class.

748
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,159
Speaker 12: And I said that to my mom, and she was like,

749
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,519
but it was the same credit. And I was like,

750
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:30,920
you're missing the point.

751
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,199
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's.

752
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Speaker 18: The same credit or not if a kid who has

753
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,480
not been in.

754
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 5: School in three years.

755
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Speaker 18: But she just pushed him so hard.

756
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Speaker 1: It didn't take long for Colin's teenage stubbornness to outlast

757
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,559
Kathy's willpower. Pushing him harder didn't seem to work.

758
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 14: Because she said that he wasn't following the rules, he

759
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,800
wasn't doing the chores that she wouldn't. He wouldn't help

760
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,880
her put a bookshelf up on the wall. It was

761
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,559
last bookshelf to put on and she just has had

762
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,519
it with him. She said, you know, he has food

763
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,239
all over his room. He's not supposed to. We have ants.

764
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Now, when all of her efforts to teach her son

765
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responsibility failed, she decided to teach him some accountability. She

766
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,039
turned to punishment.

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Speaker 18: Here's something about Kathy that I think is really important

768
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to know.

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Speaker 12: When Kathy gets hurt.

770
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Speaker 18: She doesn't get sad, like when her feelings are hurt.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't get sad.

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Speaker 18: She just gets mad, but like rage mad.

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Speaker 1: When Kathy punished Colin, she didn't just stop with taking

774
00:45:36,159 --> 00:45:37,119
away his phone.

775
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 14: I'm selling his car to CarMax. I'm just enrolling him

776
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,039
from school. I'm taking away his computer, and I'm cutting

777
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:48,840
off his phone.

778
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: She wouldn't just take away one thing. She would take

779
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,760
away everything in the world that he loved. She would

780
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,800
even shut off his debit card. But when that didn't work, you.

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00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 14: Know, she made him bend over. She hit him with

782
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,039
a belt. Then after that she grabbed a big ten

783
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,320
pound or twenty pound weight.

784
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: She would make Colin hold this twenty pound weight over

785
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,280
his head for extended periods of time as punishment, and

786
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,079
the belt, well, it didn't hurt as much as it humiliated.

787
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,039
So life went on for eighteen months. It was a

788
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:30,400
cycle of failed responsibilities and humiliating punishments. Then Kathy started

789
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:30,920
to crack.

790
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 14: So for a while everything seemed to be fine, and

791
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,719
then Kathy started having her problems with I want to

792
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,679
kill myself.

793
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,599
Speaker 4: I hate life.

794
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 14: She kept saying that her life just wasn't the way

795
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,400
it was supposed to be, that Colin wasn't the way

796
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,639
he was supposed to be, that he was too much

797
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,599
like his dad.

798
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,519
Speaker 1: Kathy had battled with suicidal thoughts in the past, but

799
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,519
now they were back, and it was bad. She even

800
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,840
made an attempt.

801
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 14: She said, I'm taking all the metaprobrile, all her heart medicine,

802
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,639
and Colin took her. I told Colin take her to

803
00:47:07,679 --> 00:47:08,159
the er.

804
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 18: But it got to the point where it was almost

805
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,199
like psychologically abusive, you know, just the constant I off

806
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,079
is so terrible.

807
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,119
Speaker 12: Nothing's supposed to be this way.

808
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 18: I can't do this anymore. She was drinking, she was drugging,

809
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:26,519
she was yelling at him, she was being mean to

810
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,599
him physically, mentally, all the things.

811
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 19: I mean, it sounds like he's going He went through

812
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:37,679
the same thing on both sides separate times.

813
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: Colin's older brother, Chris, witnessed this behavior as well.

814
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 9: She would kick me out of the house, she would

815
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:48,039
get drunk, she would abuse her pills and she.

816
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 17: Which is toxic, and no other way.

817
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,639
Speaker 2: To put it.

818
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: Unsurprisingly, after his arrest, the state attorney made the announcement

819
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:58,639
everyone was waiting for.

820
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,079
Speaker 20: I'm Brian Hawes, State Attorney for the ten Judicial Circuit

821
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,440
of Florida. The Polk County Grand Jury indicted Colin Griffith

822
00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:08,079
on the charge of first degree murder for the killing

823
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,960
of his mother in Olmerdale last week. I made the

824
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,920
decision to charge this seventeen year old as an adult

825
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,679
based upon the egregious facts and circumstances of this case.

826
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:21,400
Polk County Law Enforcement continues to work with the authorities

827
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,880
in Oklahoma to be sure they are provided all relevant

828
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,599
information and evidence that will allow them to continue to

829
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:33,000
evaluate their case as they deem necessary. My prosecutors and

830
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:36,079
the deputies from the Polk County Sheriff's Office will continue

831
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,960
to work together to pursue justice in this case and

832
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,360
hold Colin Griffith accountable for his murder.

833
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: Colin pleaded not guilty to one count of kidnapping, for

834
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,960
dragging his mother inside by her hair, and one count

835
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,079
of premeditated murder. His eventual trial would last five days.

836
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,639
The prosecution portrayed him as a cold and calculated killer.

837
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 17: This bloodlust, the defendant sits there a guilty person who

838
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,760
stabbed his own mother in the neck and then watched

839
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,480
her bleed out in front of him. That death was

840
00:49:14,519 --> 00:49:19,119
not instantaneous. She bled internally, she bled externally. She was

841
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,559
fighting to get up. She's got a gaping open wound

842
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:26,079
in her neck. Compliments of her song, Thanks Colin Griffith,

843
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:32,000
appreciate that the lady that brought him into this world

844
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,840
here on earth, he took out of this world and

845
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,360
this earth. The reality of what that person did to

846
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,679
his mom is a second by second nightmare for her.

847
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,360
She left this world knowing that the person that took

848
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,440
her out was the sun that she gave everything to.

849
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,880
But the reality of it for what the defenders accomplished,

850
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,719
which is exactly exactly what he wanted to do. For

851
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,960
so the writing was on the wall, ladies and gentlemen,

852
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,960
The writing was on the wall. The defendant knew what

853
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,559
he wanted to do, and it was just a matter

854
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,599
of time. If nothing else. He's a man of his word.

855
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:16,639
He said he would kill his mom, and he took

856
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,000
her out. But you know what, now he's in a

857
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,039
court of law. Now he has to suffer whatever comes

858
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:26,559
his way in the form of a verdict, and that

859
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:27,920
verdict is guilty.

860
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,199
Speaker 1: The defense portrayed him as a kid unable to escape

861
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,280
a toxic mother.

862
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 5: I think about this all the times that you've heard

863
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:40,519
about Colin saying I don't feel safe. If my mom

864
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,360
attacks me, I'll defend myself. If she comes at me,

865
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,360
if she pulls a gun on me, if she punches me,

866
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,519
I'll defend myself. Remember, Colin told people that he would

867
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,480
rather be in the Baker Rack facility. He would rather

868
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:58,760
be in jail, He would rather be in foster care

869
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,840
than at home with his mond. And the state wants

870
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,639
you to believe that Colin is just a brat who

871
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:07,159
didn't like the discipline he gut, so he murdered his mom.

872
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,199
That's also absurd because, as the state has pointed out

873
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,639
many times, Colin had what they think is a great

874
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,039
life with mom. Right, so he gets to go on trips,

875
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:21,360
absolutely got to go on trips. He lives in a clean,

876
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,400
nice organized home with plenty of food. Yes, he has

877
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,119
a phone, he has an Xbox, he has a computer.

878
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,760
He gets to go to college. Don't you think Colin,

879
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,760
as smart as he was to be able to graduate early,

880
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:41,199
would know that if he actually were to be placed

881
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,920
in the baker Ac facility, or remain in jail, or

882
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,440
went into foster care instead of going home with his mom,

883
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,239
with whom he didn't feel safe, he would get none

884
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,760
of those wonderful things, none of them. He would not

885
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,880
have a phone, he would not have an Xbox, he

886
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,800
would not go on trips all over the country or

887
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,880
the world. And yet he still said, please rebakeer act me.

888
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,119
Please don't send me home from jail with my mom. Please,

889
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,639
I'd rather go to foster care.

890
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: They blamed the I mean they brought up Kathy's mental

891
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,559
health struggles, is what I meant to say as proof

892
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,199
of her toxicity, while also providing another what if scenario.

893
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:30,199
Speaker 5: Isn't it also reasonable that Kathy knew what the outcome

894
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,480
was going to be. She picked up a knife and

895
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:38,480
threatened calling with it. You've heard of suicide by cop.

896
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,920
Isn't it reasonable to think that Kathy committed suicide by son?

897
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:51,199
She had never been able to successfully commit suicide before,

898
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,679
despite her many attempts.

899
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,639
Speaker 1: They also tried to say that if Colin were a

900
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,239
rage filled monster, wouldn't he have killed her? I don't

901
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,599
know harder.

902
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,039
Speaker 5: They tried to get you to believe that Colin was

903
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,679
rage filled and hate filled, and all of these malicious

904
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,360
thoughts were geared towards his mom. If you believe that,

905
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,719
beyond a reasonable doubt, don't you think there'd be more

906
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,400
than just one wound on Kathy? Don't you expect that

907
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:30,840
there would be five, ten, twenty stab wounds. That's something

908
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,199
you can consider too.

909
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: After the closing arguments, twelve of Colin's peers retired to

910
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,360
the jury room. They would deliberate for eleven hours, pushing

911
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,960
proceedings into the following day before returning a verdict. When

912
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,679
Colin entered the courtroom, he smiled at his grandma Susan

913
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,719
in the gallery before sitting between his defense attorneys. Then

914
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,519
the jury entered the room.

915
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 21: State of Florida Versus Colin Griffin, with the jury fin

916
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,280
as follow as to the defendant in this case, the

917
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,440
defendant as to come one, The defendant is not guilty

918
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,079
as to come two. The defendant is not guilty, So say,

919
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,000
will this fifth day of February twenty twenty.

920
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: Five not guilty on both counts? Can you believe that

921
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,280
it's important to note that the jury was made aware

922
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,679
of Colin's previous claim of murder by self defense, they

923
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,800
just weren't told it was his other parent. I wonder

924
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,239
if that would have made a difference. Also, I'm not

925
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,800
meaning to sound sexist here, but I so very much

926
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,639
wonder about the gender breakdown of that jury. I'll have

927
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:47,960
to look into that, but I'm assuming it was made

928
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:52,280
up of mostly women. I guess look it up yourself

929
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,760
if you want to play. Regardless, a jury of so

930
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,599
called peers acquitted him. Colin killed both of his parents

931
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,719
and was deemed not responsible and not a threat. Nuts right.

932
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,679
His family, though, that I assume knows him best, has

933
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,199
different opinions.

934
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,079
Speaker 18: Oh No, I don't think this was a self defense thing.

935
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,119
I think this was he snapped and lost it thing.

936
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,039
Speaker 6: That's what I think.

937
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 19: I think he clearly just didn't want to go home

938
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,800
to mom and this was the last straw. And you're right,

939
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:30,639
I think he snapped and unfortunately he's going to have

940
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:33,880
to deal with the consequences, and unfortunately, you guys are

941
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,639
gonna have to.

942
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 4: Deal with the consequences too.

943
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to be at the end of a

944
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,280
rope that we don't use the rope in Florida.

945
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,119
Speaker 1: So Colin was released from jail later that evening. The

946
00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:54,840
sun had already set. Outside, news cameras waited for him. Eventually,

947
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,119
Colin strolled out of the front doors. He was wearing

948
00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:02,119
black rimmed glasses and a stoic expression. He wore a

949
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:05,760
white dress shirt with no tie and khaki pants without

950
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,159
a belt. His boat shoes muffled his hurried steps as

951
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,440
he stared straight ahead. He walked with a practiced gait,

952
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,719
like a soldier. He purposely ignored the cameras following his

953
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,000
every move just a few feet away. He was free,

954
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but he left two dead parents behind. His family was

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convinced he was guilty, but the jury wasn't. As the

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seventeen year old walked into the dark parking lot outside

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the jail, onlookers couldn't help but wonder where he was

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going or if anyone was going to pick him up.

959
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I guess Colin finally got what he wanted. He was alone,

960
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completely alone. I'm sure Grandma Susan eventually picked him up.

961
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She was probably just avoiding the media. But still, that

962
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final image of Colin walking through the darkness dotted with

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street lights against the backdrop of barbed wire fences is

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an image that stays with me. It's almost poetic, a

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boy without parents, acquitted of murder, stepping out of one

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cage into the shadows of everything he's done. The only

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question now is what he'll do next.

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Speaker 2: Colin wanted to become a lawyer. Why, because he wasn't

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going to just stop with two bodies. It's just who's next.

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Speaker 1: At the time of this writing, it is unclear if

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the investigation in Oklahoma was reopened. It's also unclear where

972
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Colin Griffith is presently, having turned eighteen about a month

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after his acquittal. It could be anywhere. He could be

974
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in your town, living next door, buying groceries at the

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same place you do. Hell, he might even be bringing

976
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you your groceries on door dash nuts right, did you

977
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order nuts?

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Speaker 2: Did you?

979
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say about this one,

980
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so I'm just gonna end it here. Good luck out there, Colin,

981
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try not to kill again. Well, we hope you've enjoyed

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that story, it's going to do it for today. I

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but it's got moving pictures. I know it's a little

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complicated to understand all this new fangled technology, but just

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videos and you'll get it all right until next time. Yeah,

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I know they could be annoying, but please try to

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not kill your family and we'll see you next week.

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Stay safe, I don't under do not be, don't rest,

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don't the stone Ston