Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six on demand.
Speaker 2: Jeel, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2: How can I help you?
Speaker 3: Well? I have a really silly question.
Speaker 2: I bet it's not silly at all.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's very silly, but I'll try to make this short. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've already battled cancer. I'm gonna hear on that. And
Speaker 3: I've dealt with many years of neuropathy. I was recently
Speaker 3: diagnosed with ALS.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, and I am.
Speaker 3: Told I'm fifty eight years old. I'm told one to
Speaker 3: five years do I have to live? But because of
Speaker 3: the neuropathy, it may have been diagnosed, so they don't
Speaker 3: know how long I've had ALS. Here's my silly question.
Speaker 3: I have never been afraid of dying ever, I am now.
Speaker 2: Why is that?
Speaker 3: I don't know if when we pass, we do we
Speaker 3: have to encounter people that we don't want to encounter.
Speaker 2: Wait. Wait, wait, let me get this jewel. Wait a second.
Speaker 2: So you're saying that you battled cancer, Yes, you've been
Speaker 2: diagnosed with ALS. Yes you are a fighter, indeed, someone
Speaker 2: very strong, and you're worried about who you'll bump into
Speaker 2: in heaven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, when you say someone hurt you in what way?
Speaker 2: Did they hurt you?
Speaker 3: Well, physically, you know, as a child.
Speaker 2: What makes you think they're going to be in heaven.
Speaker 3: I don't like the way you think.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's really one part of it.
Speaker 3: It frightens me. I'm not frightened a passing. I'm frightened
Speaker 3: of seeing other people that I don't want to see.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, here's a couple of things. First and foremost,
Speaker 2: you don't know who's going to be there. And the
Speaker 2: second part of that is you have to trust God
Speaker 2: that those that are there are supposed to be there.
Speaker 2: And lastly, I want to read something to you from
Speaker 2: Revelation twenty one four. This is about heaven, says he
Speaker 2: will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will
Speaker 2: be no more death or mourning or crying or pain,
Speaker 2: for the old order of things has passed away. Those
Speaker 2: things won't be there. It's not about a bigger earth,
Speaker 2: a better earth with no crime. It's not about some
Speaker 2: sort of concept of a better humanity. Heaven is altogether different,
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people will see it
Speaker 2: as a utopia, and it's not. It is altogether a
Speaker 2: different place and experience than the human experience, and there
Speaker 2: will not be those concerns in the same way, in
Speaker 2: the same sense, and you will have an understanding of
Speaker 2: things differently. So in that time and God's will that
Speaker 2: you go home to be with your Maker, those things
Speaker 2: will be understood and every tear wiped away. There won't
Speaker 2: be the concept of death or pain or any of
Speaker 2: those things. There won't even be a comparison of those things.
Speaker 2: That's why when people think, like, oh, someone passes, are
Speaker 2: they here on earth? No, there is not there. They
Speaker 2: aren't thinking of the things of earth. There is no
Speaker 2: not in this same way, in the same sense. And
Speaker 2: so you won't have those fears at all, or those concerns.
Speaker 2: There won't be fear. It's the fulfillment of hope. So
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about bumping into someone you
Speaker 2: don't want to see.
Speaker 3: You're right, yeah, sorry, don't be I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: There should be no shame for emotions. They're one of
Speaker 2: the most wonderful part of being human. Painful.
Speaker 3: Maybe yes, I don't want to be afraid.
Speaker 2: Well, no one wants to be afraid. Fear has its purpose.
Speaker 2: Fear keeps you away from the edge of the cliff.
Speaker 2: Fear keeps you away from sharp objects. Fear has a purpose,
Speaker 2: but don't fear home.
Speaker 3: No, fear is a good thing. I mean, I get that,
Speaker 3: I certainly get that. I mean, my gosh, you don't
Speaker 3: want your kid putting his hand on the stove.
Speaker 2: You know, of course, it has its purpose, but in
Speaker 2: this particular case, there's a lot of question marks as
Speaker 2: as too if this person would even be there to
Speaker 2: begin with. But having said that, God's not going to
Speaker 2: put you in a situation like that. It's the fulfillment
Speaker 2: again of hope, and it to be in that place
Speaker 2: is not to be in a place of worry or
Speaker 2: fear or awkwardness. Awkwardness or any of those things. You'll
Speaker 2: understand and you'll be there, and you will have an
Speaker 2: understanding understanding of everything that's occurred in your life in
Speaker 2: a way that you could never on earth, and it
Speaker 2: will come together. But there shouldn't be fear of that.
Speaker 2: You continue to fight and remember doctors only can tell
Speaker 2: you what they've seen before, not what they will see. Right,
Speaker 2: And you have to hold on to those things and
Speaker 2: be practical, put your things in order, be smart, but
Speaker 2: always land on hope and understanding. That God's will be done.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, put my ducks in the room, as they say, good,
Speaker 3: put my you know, step in order that the children
Speaker 3: and whatnot. But mmm, I don't know why I'm so
Speaker 3: afraid right now. I just don't know. It's not like me.
Speaker 2: It's just the unknown. There's a lot you're staring something
Speaker 2: in the face, seemingly, and that that's a that's a
Speaker 2: pretty stark reality, and that's a that's a you know
Speaker 2: that that makes you start you sound very reasonable. Just
Speaker 2: that just your tone and the fight that you have
Speaker 2: in you and the fight that you've been through so far.
Speaker 2: So you look at those things and you and you've
Speaker 2: battled them, and now you're looking You're going, Okay, I'll
Speaker 2: take this enemy head on. But I don't know what
Speaker 2: this enemy is going to look like. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it's going to be like. And you start going
Speaker 2: through the scenarios in your head as to what it
Speaker 2: might be and what you might be up against. But
Speaker 2: let me tell you something, You're up against nothing. When
Speaker 2: you're there, you're home. Every question mark you've ever had
Speaker 2: here on earth, everything you've wondered, why did I have
Speaker 2: to go through that? Why was this why all of
Speaker 2: those questions that you have will be fulfilled and understood
Speaker 2: in a way and not comprehend here no matter what
Speaker 2: I tell you, it will be the ultimate fulfillment and
Speaker 2: the place of peace. The crescendo, the the eternal crescendo
Speaker 2: that has no end, will feel like it never had
Speaker 2: a beginning, and it will make sense and you'll be
Speaker 2: at peace. There will be no more battles for you
Speaker 2: to wage war against or to stand up against. No,
Speaker 2: in the words of Shakespeare, no slings, no arrows of
Speaker 2: outrageous fortune. No more do you have to battle with
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. It's done. The battle is over there,
Speaker 2: no more worries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't mind the battle. I don't mind
Speaker 3: the battle, but you don't do. I'm in a darn
Speaker 3: wheelchair most my day. It's fine, it's fine, and I
Speaker 3: walked half the day. I don't want the end of the.
Speaker 2: Battle, but that is what you fight for. Everyone fights
Speaker 2: for the end of the battle. Everyone. There's no one
Speaker 2: who fights to fight. That's bizarre. You fight for the
Speaker 2: end of the battle, the win, the victory, whatever it
Speaker 2: might be. You fight for the end of the battle,
Speaker 2: and the end of the battle I'm telling you is peace.
Speaker 2: It's not fear. It's none of that. You've battled so
Speaker 2: long that you don't even know what that is anymore.
Speaker 2: But trust me, you'll like it. I guarantee. I just
Speaker 2: got off the phone with Jewel, our last caller, and
Speaker 2: we were chatting a little bit. Producer Neil got on
Speaker 2: there as well, and what a doll and a strong spirit.
Speaker 2: She was laughing and chatting and I can say, honestly,
Speaker 2: it is the first time that anyone ever ended a
Speaker 2: phone conversation with by saying later, Gator, So that says
Speaker 2: a lot about the spirit of Jewel. A very sweet conversation.
Speaker 2: She and producer Neil were chatting and they were talking
Speaker 2: about trials in life, and she kept trying to coax
Speaker 2: him into talking about the trials in his own life,
Speaker 2: and he said, I don't know, we're here to chat
Speaker 2: with you, and She's like, bring them, bring them. And
Speaker 2: he assured her that in the card game of life,
Speaker 2: she would win that hand because she is going through
Speaker 2: some pretty major things and handling them like a champ.
Speaker 2: So anyone that has battled cancer and is currently looking
Speaker 2: at the battle of als is a pretty amazing thing
Speaker 2: to see her in those kinds of spirit, spirit being
Speaker 2: that kind of mental strength and place that she has
Speaker 2: found in her life to be strong and focused. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure she has good days and bad days, but
Speaker 2: that particular spirit and attitude is so important because there
Speaker 2: is much that you can't change in life that will
Speaker 2: come your way that really will weigh on you and
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about it, But how you
Speaker 2: experience it is something you have control over. Your attitude
Speaker 2: through it you can control. That's been said many times
Speaker 2: before that life is ten percent what happens to you
Speaker 2: and ninety percent how you deal with it. And really
Speaker 2: that shows the character of who you are and the
Speaker 2: strengths that you have, the tools that you have in
Speaker 2: your emotional tool belt to get you through life. It
Speaker 2: really shows you that those those skills that you've built
Speaker 2: up are practical that you can ply them in a
Speaker 2: time of need. There are many people that have experienced
Speaker 2: things and thought they had great tools, but the minute
Speaker 2: it weighs on them, they feel like the world is
Speaker 2: crumbling around them. So let Jewel be an inspiration to
Speaker 2: you as she is to me and the show. Dan,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Hello, I have a sister that that says, she reads
Speaker 4: in the Bible that God is a punishing God. If
Speaker 4: you lie, you cheat, you steal, God will come upon
Speaker 4: you with his wrath and uh and and uh and
Speaker 4: punish you. I always thought that that God was merciful,
Speaker 4: God was forgiving, God understood God. God helped you get
Speaker 4: out of these things. But she's uh uh. She honestly
Speaker 4: believes that, know, if you're a sinner, if you lie,
Speaker 4: you cheat, you steal, that God's going to come upon
Speaker 4: you and bad things are going to happen. He's going
Speaker 4: to come down with his wrath and and you better
Speaker 4: watch out.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a nice, healthy combination of the two beliefs. Really,
Speaker 2: God is a God of justice, absolutely, and yes, I
Speaker 2: will punish on according to the deeds that a person does. However,
Speaker 2: keep in mind that often the punishment is the consequence
Speaker 2: of the very act itself. You know, if you steal,
Speaker 2: if you live a life of crime, you'll probably go
Speaker 2: to jail. So if you think that God, that that
Speaker 2: mercy is somehow ignorant, or that grace is somehow blind,
Speaker 2: that's absolutely wrong. God is a God of justice. Do
Speaker 2: you think it's loving? Dan for a parent not to
Speaker 2: punish their child when there when their child does something wrong,
Speaker 2: is that the loving.
Speaker 3: Thing to do? Well?
Speaker 4: I understand that, I understand that. But there's uh people
Speaker 4: who who who in their hearts understand the wrong that.
Speaker 2: They do, then why do they do it?
Speaker 4: Well? There's there's uh, there's good in my opinion, is
Speaker 4: there's good and there's bad in this in this world? Yes,
Speaker 4: And it's it's the nature. I think one could say,
Speaker 4: if you have it lied, if you haven't cheated, you know,
Speaker 4: throw the first roun Uh. It's it's human nature to
Speaker 4: to to to lie. I believe that nobody is one
Speaker 4: hundred percent perfect.
Speaker 2: Okay, understood Dan? But or but you should be seeking
Speaker 2: perfection even though you won't obtain it. You should always
Speaker 2: seek being the best you can. You should always try
Speaker 2: and eradicate one more lie from your conversation, from your day,
Speaker 2: from your week.
Speaker 4: I understand that.
Speaker 2: But you shouldn't be walking around thinking that you have
Speaker 2: a get out of jail free card because you know God, No.
Speaker 4: I believe I believe if you, if you do wrong,
Speaker 4: you should pay the price.
Speaker 2: Okay, Then when then wherein lies the problem? Well?
Speaker 4: I'm not but I'm not talking about anything of physical
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about you amongous things. That's stealing the
Speaker 4: from the poor and robbing a bank and taking somebody's life.
Speaker 2: But God sees those is all equal. You're the one
Speaker 2: that sees those as different. Man sees those as a hierarchy.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, any sin is a slap in the face
Speaker 2: of God. Any sin, no matter how small.
Speaker 4: I understand that. I understand that, I understand that. Well,
Speaker 4: you've answered my question. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh I hope so, Dan, But I get the feeling
Speaker 2: that maybe there's something else more to it. Truth be
Speaker 2: told that it becomes very easy for people to try
Speaker 2: and partition God. God is all love, God is all justice.
Speaker 2: God has wrath. God is compassionate. All these things are true.
Speaker 2: You can't separate them and many of them go hand
Speaker 2: in hand in a way that you don't even think about.
Speaker 2: So to define, to think that God's going to look
Speaker 2: the other way when you do things is not correct.
Speaker 2: God knows your heart as well. God knows when you
Speaker 2: make mistakes. You can't just use the excuse that, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to sin because I'm a sinner. God knows this.
Speaker 2: As well. But you need to seek those things that
Speaker 2: are good and trust that in your rebellion. If you
Speaker 2: get into a state where you just continue to throw
Speaker 2: aside anything that God says and think, hey, well, I'm
Speaker 2: just a sinner God, then you will lose sight of
Speaker 2: God because the biggest consequence is it changing the relationship
Speaker 2: you have with God because you start to distance yourself
Speaker 2: from Him. So keep that in mind. Kim, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you Jesus for taking my call.
Speaker 2: My pleasure.
Speaker 1: What's going on? I'm going to start crying. I don't
Speaker 1: want to cry. I have a parent, a mother that's deceased,
Speaker 1: the father that's an alcoholic all his life. It's taken
Speaker 1: a toll. He's got everything going for him where he's at,
Speaker 1: and they're about to boot him from where he's at
Speaker 1: due to his own alcohol abuse. And he's got the
Speaker 1: ultimate situation. He's in the most perfect place and he's
Speaker 1: blowing it all and he's going to be on the
Speaker 1: street homeless.
Speaker 2: Why is the situation so perfect? Just the cost of
Speaker 2: in the location and everything else.
Speaker 1: Everything's everything's cater to his every need, and yet the
Speaker 1: abuse continues, the denial the oh, the mentality of just
Speaker 1: I can't say the words right now.
Speaker 2: How long has he been abusing alcohol?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Since way back in time?
Speaker 2: Oh, gotcha. So this has been something that's been taking
Speaker 2: place for a long time. Has he has he ever
Speaker 2: gotten help? Has he ever been part of a program?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's just stubborn and denial and just pompous
Speaker 1: and very very this terrible personality when it comes to,
Speaker 1: you know, the denial. And my mother was put through
Speaker 1: this all her life with him, and speaking to an
Speaker 1: aunt yesterday, she told me that she's just waitnessed it
Speaker 1: for fifty years herself, to abuse. My mom asked him
Speaker 1: how she couldn't believe she hadn't stabbed in basically years ago,
Speaker 1: and that's not even her, that's not even in her
Speaker 1: her being. But I understand was at that level that
Speaker 1: she's witnessed my mother through it and just said to
Speaker 1: him point blank, I would have done that too long
Speaker 1: time ago, you know, knowing what you put her through,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just it go on and on,
Speaker 1: and I have this whole thing where I'm like feeling
Speaker 1: so bad every day for him and torturing myself when
Speaker 1: I'm not the one doing anything wrong. It's just some
Speaker 1: choice to do this. But it's awful because you don't
Speaker 1: want to see your parents.
Speaker 2: Go through this, of course not. And there comes a
Speaker 2: time often where you have to make a decision because
Speaker 2: you can become part of the problem. You can't really
Speaker 2: help him, especially especially if he doesn't want help, So
Speaker 2: to house him up or to take care of him
Speaker 2: in that context isn't going to make things better.
Speaker 1: Because they had a brother do that, and the brother
Speaker 1: was tortured through it all. It's just like he was
Speaker 1: in my mother's position again, and you know, it just
Speaker 1: went on and on and three years went by and
Speaker 1: it was no better and it was worse. And anybody
Speaker 1: else trying to step forward to do that, it's going
Speaker 1: to be put to the same torture. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's not there. It's not right. But yet, how do
Speaker 1: you drive around on knowing your father's over there, not
Speaker 1: even in a tent, living on the street. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so sad.
Speaker 2: But this is a choice, you know, But this is
Speaker 2: a choice. I mean, it's I know that it's rough
Speaker 2: to think about, and that you have the desire to
Speaker 2: have compassion, but to what end do you do you
Speaker 2: live alone?
Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm not in a financial situation where I
Speaker 1: could put up with any kind of that because I
Speaker 1: don't want to risk my own shelter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't. That doesn't help the situation at all,
Speaker 2: especially if you were both out on the streets.
Speaker 1: Everybody with him.
Speaker 2: He needs help and sometimes hitting rock bottom is a necessity,
Speaker 2: and that help.
Speaker 1: He's hit rock bottom in so many ways and so
Speaker 1: many times, so many people have hurt themselves trying to
Speaker 1: help him, because Dave ended up coming out scarred from
Speaker 1: it badly.
Speaker 2: Well, Kim, you can't live life for someone else. You
Speaker 2: can only you can only live your life. And it's
Speaker 2: a sad truth. But when people get to a point
Speaker 2: where they are rejecting things that are good for them,
Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot you could do. Because what
Speaker 2: he actually needs is is regiment. He needs very restricted guidelines.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, you talk to him and he says, oh,
Speaker 1: I went to church, And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you go to church is everything you think people want
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 4: Because that makes you look better.
Speaker 2: Sure, you're not sure.
Speaker 1: And when you said that, my friends very religious. I
Speaker 1: work with her, and I said what would you do?
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? Love the mother, love
Speaker 1: my father? She says, You know what, if it was
Speaker 1: your mother, you would you could take her in in
Speaker 1: that condition, because mothers are different than dad's. Dads are
Speaker 1: supposed to be stronger. You know, you shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: be putting up with that with your own father, But
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a little different. And you and you sort
Speaker 2: of paraphrase to scripture the one of the commandments to
Speaker 2: honor your mother and father. But in that context, you're
Speaker 2: supposed to honor your mother and father in what is honorable.
Speaker 2: You don't just honor them to honor them, because there's
Speaker 2: some really bad parents out there. So it's not just honor.
Speaker 2: It's honoring one parentage and the tradition of parentage, the
Speaker 2: purpose of parentage and the parenting that goes along with it,
Speaker 2: and the position of parenting and all of these things.
Speaker 2: But not you know, someone that hurts you or beats you,
Speaker 2: or treats you poorly, or you don't honor those things.
Speaker 2: So in this particular case, Kim, your father needs to
Speaker 2: get into a program, and he's getting into a pretty
Speaker 2: severe program, and that's not something that you could do
Speaker 2: on your own. If you had the wherewithal to bring
Speaker 2: him in under those guidelines, that would be a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't sound like you do, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like it would be beneficial to you or to
Speaker 2: him to have him come in there. He's a grown man.
Speaker 2: He's made his choices, and there's going to be consequences
Speaker 2: to those choices, and you need to allow him to
Speaker 2: go through whatever pattern he needs to go through. Now
Speaker 2: you can tell him I will absolutely let you come
Speaker 2: live here after you do a year in a program
Speaker 2: or whatever your criteria is going to be. But you
Speaker 2: have to set those guidelines and you can't just willingly
Speaker 2: go yeah, you can come on in and everything's going
Speaker 2: to be great, because it won't. Rachel, Welcome to the
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Hi, Jesus, Hello, Hi, I have a question for you.
Speaker 5: I was reading this morning numbers twenty two, and in
Speaker 5: eighteen Baalim flat out says to the Lord, let's see here.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: He says, I.
Speaker 5: Would be powerless to do anything against the will of
Speaker 5: the Lord. And in twenty God came to Bailim and said,
Speaker 5: since these men have come for you, get up and
Speaker 5: go with them, and he tells him to go with
Speaker 5: them and then drop down a little bit. In twenty two.
Speaker 5: God was furious that Balem was going. And this troubles me.
Speaker 2: I need to know that it seems out of seems
Speaker 2: like a contradiction.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I don't that's not the God that I know.
Speaker 2: No, it's like a sneaky God going go over here,
Speaker 2: and now you went over there. There's a lot going
Speaker 2: on here. And this involves the Angel of the Lord.
Speaker 2: And if you notice, the Angel of the Lord does
Speaker 2: not kill him, No, he doesn't. No, he actually gives him.
Speaker 2: The concern here is about dealing with Balem's greed in
Speaker 2: his heart. He was tempted by the offers that were
Speaker 2: coming his way. You can read numbers, you know, twenty
Speaker 2: two to twelve. Also verse seventeen about the temptation, and
Speaker 2: the intent was not about to kill him. It was
Speaker 2: to remind him of what his original agreement was, because
Speaker 2: he kept getting tempted and his heart was clearly filled
Speaker 2: with greed. As you read on and understand that it
Speaker 2: wasn't a direct result of not in direct contradiction to
Speaker 2: God's word, but he was rejecting it. In his heart,
Speaker 2: so his greed had kind of come up with a way.
Speaker 2: You can read about this in numbers thirty one sixteen.
Speaker 2: Come up with a way to help Israel's enemies. Will
Speaker 2: not directly disobeying the Lord's command to speak only the
Speaker 2: words that he would give to him. But he found
Speaker 2: a way to kind of backdoor it to corrupt Israel
Speaker 2: by allowing women to marry men of Israel and lead
Speaker 2: them into idolatry. You can read about that in two
Speaker 2: Peter two fifteen. I hope that that
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