WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.919 Web site day that's pay enter it now. 2 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:13.759 Bill cunning EMMI Great America, and welcome this Monday afternoon. 3 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:16.280 The Tri State Reds Baseball kicks off about six oh 4 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.519 five tonight. But the Red Sox, believe it or not, 5 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:21.000 the Red Sox have a losing record and the Reds 6 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:23.039 have won five of the past six series. Is look 7 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.920 hotter than a firecracker, and we'll see what happens. They 8 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:27.960 have three games in Boston, then they're often have three 9 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.320 games in Philly, and they come home next week getting 10 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:31.920 ready for the All Star break, and they have seven 11 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.679 games and home against weak opponents. But nonetheless, the Reds 12 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.560 are with a rocket right now, one of the best 13 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:40.200 teams in baseball, which I find hard to believe on 14 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:43.320 June thirtieth, but that's the case. But until then, the 15 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.840 Speaker of the House in columbuses, of course, Matt Huffman 16 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.159 from Allen County, Alana, home with the QP Burger and 17 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.799 so much more. And Speaker of Huffman, welcome again to 18 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:53.880 the Bill Cunningham Show. And I asked you off the air. 19 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.399 We do have white smoke over the Capitol, but there's 20 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:02.439 also a possibility of the the Governor vetoing parts of this, 21 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:05.519 which you can override with sixty and twenty house in 22 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.480 the Senate. But one thing in Cincinnati which is bigger 23 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:11.400 than Montana is the Bengals and the Browns now living 24 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.359 in Lima. I'm not sure you care a lot about 25 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:16.239 Bengals and Browns football. You probably care more about about 26 00:01:16.519 --> 00:01:19.439 the legacy of Leonard Rush and also Ohio State. But 27 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.920 there's a lot of concern here that you're treating the 28 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:25.680 Cleveland Browns differently by giving them the one hundreds of 29 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.239 millions of dollars from unplayed funds, while the Bengal deal, 30 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.920 which is an loi, is not yet signed, but it's 31 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.400 a promise to sign. So can you tell the American 32 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.120 people this Monday afternoon what is the status of the 33 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.040 Bengals deal and the Browns deal and why one deal 34 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:44.920 was approved the other other one wasn't unclaimed funds, etc. 35 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.439 That was used instead of an additional tax on gaming 36 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.519 many ways to fund that you came up with the 37 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.359 unplaymed funds. Explained the deal to the American people. 38 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.719 Well, first, the Bengals do have an opportunity to take 39 00:01:56.719 --> 00:02:01.000 advantage of this fund these unclaimed bond as as do 40 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.560 other UH sports and cultural facilities. There's an entire track 41 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:08.479 of things that people can do that that entities can 42 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:10.719 do qualify and the Bengals can do that, as could 43 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.400 the Columbus Symphony Orchestra and maybe some day the Symphony, 44 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:15.520 Reds or fill in. 45 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.319 Your favorite entity. 46 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:22.199 So there will be a way for the Bengals to 47 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:26.800 qualify like this there the Browns organ or the Browns program, 48 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.680 of course, UH was was much different I think than 49 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:34.199 probably any entity for a long time UH in that 50 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:36.800 they they're putting in a couple of billion dollars of 51 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.439 private money. But there is a there is an entire 52 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.280 scheme in place for the Bengals to take advantage of this, 53 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.800 and you know, I do think that this is the 54 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:49.800 best way to do this. I didn't want to raise 55 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:54.879 taxes the bond UH provisions that we use so often 56 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.960 in other areas. We did that six hundred million dollars 57 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.840 for the Brent Spence Bridge train insportation capital budgets we 58 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.240 have We always have billions of dollars in bonds out there, 59 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:09.159 but that would have added about an extra three hundred 60 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:12.400 and thirty million dollars onto the cost of the taxpayer. 61 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.759 The unclaimed funds is simply money that is sitting accumulating interest. 62 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.439 We can't spend the interest. And the interesting thing about 63 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.919 this one has about four point eight billion dollars. It's 64 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.759 collecting about one hundred and ninety million in interest every year, 65 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:32.280 and in non interest income it collected five hundred and 66 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.120 twenty four million dollars only paid out one hundred and 67 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.639 forty five The amount of money that's coming to this 68 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.479 fund has skyrocketed over the past ten to fifteen years. 69 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.199 I think the reason is people are losing their money 70 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.319 on the internet place and it eventually gets turned into 71 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:50.560 the state, so it's a good way to do it. 72 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.919 We of course ensure that the Browns, the Bengals, anyone 73 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.199 else taking advantage of this money will create enough new 74 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.759 revenue to pay the fund back. The Owns can't get 75 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.919 the money or anybody else until they show the tax 76 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.479 Department and they show Office of Budget and Management that 77 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:11.639 the project is viable and that the fund will recover 78 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:12.199 its money. 79 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.879 As far as the LOI that was signed a Lisia 80 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.279 Reese County commissioner, and she served in the legislature for 81 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.800 a long time, maybe when you were there, has set 82 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:23.920 on our air repeatedly there's no deal, that there's an 83 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.279 LOI letter of intent, And now the lawyers get together, 84 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.879 the George Vincent types who's brilliant in Densmore and Alex 85 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.560 trent Tefilu who works at Densmore gets together along with 86 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:38.240 the Bengal lawyers. And the Bengal lawyers are undefeated, untied, 87 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.600 unscored on hell. Mike Brown takes the Irs to tax 88 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:44.680 court and beats the Irs and tax court. So these 89 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.040 sets of lawyers are making one thousand bucks an hour 90 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:49.680 and they're going to hash it out. Well, once they 91 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.519 hash it out and say, okay, we really have a deal, 92 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.759 there was a lot of a lot of confetti and 93 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.360 a lot of drinking the champagne and were screaming, hollering 94 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.199 and shouting about a week ago we got a deal, 95 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.560 we got a deal. In reality, there's not a deal. 96 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.759 There's an understanding in the future to maybe get a deal. 97 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.160 But if the deal is signed, you're saying that the 98 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:10.920 Bengals have the capability of getting that missing three hundred 99 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:13.480 and fifty million dollars out of the state quote the 100 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.720 unplaying funds. But the deal has got to be a 101 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.360 real deal, has got to be examined, and it's got 102 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.560 to be the model rule. Can you explain to the 103 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.199 American people, Speaker Huffman, the model rule that has to 104 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.160 be applied. If the Bengals take money, does that solidify 105 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:30.000 them in Cincinnati? They say it's eleven years. They say 106 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.800 it used to be a thirty year, now it's eleven 107 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:33.680 Can you explain that to the American people? 108 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:37.920 Sure so, But just to be clear, the amount of 109 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:43.839 money that the Bengals and again anybody else building large 110 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.519 facilities like this get, they would have to come and 111 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.199 apply to the state for that fund and make sure 112 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.560 that the taxes would pay back ultimately the money to 113 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.680 the fund. And that's going to be dependent on whatever 114 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:01.319 deal it is that the banks or the city, or 115 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:05.040 the county or the NFL or whoever brings to the state. 116 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.680 And they can convince them, hey, look state, now, whether 117 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:09.720 it's three hundred and fifty or two hundred and fifty 118 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.040 or whatever it is, based on what's in the statue, 119 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.399 then someone will say, Okay, we're convinced that the folks 120 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.240 at the Offston Budget Management, we're convinced we're going to 121 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.480 get our money back. Here's the money, and here's all 122 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:28.079 the parameters, but until there's an agreement, no one can say, oh, 123 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:29.600 we're going to get this or we're going to get that. 124 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:35.360 We basically modified the Midell rule to say that, you 125 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.480 know what the state legislature's interested in is the state 126 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:42.720 of Ohio. And in this particular case, this new facility 127 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.959 in Cuyahoga County is built about one mile outside of 128 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.600 the city limits. Brook Park is actually about the city 129 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.959 of Cleveland. I don't think that was ever intended to 130 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.040 do that now. I don't think the Browns are going 131 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.759 to move to Akron or Blima, although that would be great. 132 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:05.040 But what essentially does is it prevents, not just penalizes, 133 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:10.279 but prevents teams who have signed agreements and taken state 134 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.360 money from leaving the state of Ohio. And again, you 135 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.839 know that's essentially what the new rule is, because you 136 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.560 know before it was Cleveland only, Well, they can build 137 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.759 this new facility there and it essentially serves the same population. 138 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.920 And again, the state of Ohio is what we care about, 139 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.560 not necessarily the lines in a particular county. 140 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.720 So if and when the LOI becomes a real deal, 141 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.879 it'll be eight thousand pages long. The lawyers will get 142 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.959 their cut of the deal. It's going to be signed 143 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.360 CEM delivered at that point the Hamlet County with the Bengals, 144 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.000 and I guess the NFL apply to this fund to 145 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.600 get three or four hundred million dollars. And if that happens, 146 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.959 that's like the guarantee that the Bengals threat to move, 147 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.600 which the Browns have done one time. They go went 148 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.360 to Baltimore and Mike Bran one point showed up in 149 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.759 Baltimore when the negotiations are going on. So if Ohio 150 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:06.560 has put up this money, and this might be three 151 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.439 to six months down the road, speaker Matt Hoffman, and 152 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.720 they take the money, then it's going to be very 153 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.800 difficult for the Bengals to leave. Is that fair to say? 154 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:19.959 That's absolutely fair to say, yeah, yeah, And again the 155 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.519 state isn't sitting here saying how can we give this 156 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.319 money away or how can we make these deals individual communities. 157 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.040 I mentioned the Columbus Symphony Orchestra because they have plans 158 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.519 for a two hundred million dollar facility. They're not maybe Columbus, 159 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.919 Franklin County other people can raise that money, right, but 160 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.360 you know that's that's money that potentially they can apply 161 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.879 for the fund and not just mega facilities, you know, 162 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.120 like the Browns or the ones that we were just 163 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:51.679 talking about. But but but other facilities which you know 164 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.120 are going to course enhance our lifestyle and a lot 165 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:56.679 of people want to come here and live. You know, 166 00:08:57.200 --> 00:08:59.919 this facility in Cleveland, it's going to be you know, 167 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.759 state of the art, and I think you know, I 168 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:06.639 think you and I agree that if the Bengals renovation happens, 169 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:09.519 that it's going to be great for downtown wonder By 170 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.320 the way, I'm a Reds fan, well I may. 171 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.799 And at this point part of the deal, which isn't done, 172 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:17.440 I want to say it as loud as I can. 173 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.440 There is no deal between the county, the state, and 174 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:23.679 the Bengals for this renovations. It's a promise to get 175 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.600 an agreement down the road, which we hope happens. But 176 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:28.960 also the Bengals are giving up a lot of control 177 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.559 over the entire riverfront. That was stupid to give them 178 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.440 control in the first place. It also opens up other 179 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.759 events like Beyonce or maybe Taylor Swift to come back, 180 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.759 and it opens up the ability of this new commission 181 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.360 in Hambleton County to say Okay, we're going to use 182 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.279 pay corpse stadium more. All that's good stuff. Will see 183 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.039 what happens. Secondly, my friends in public education say, you're 184 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.360 screwing public education by this forty percent carryover. Can you 185 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.120 maybe in one paragraph explain why you're not screwing public 186 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.559 education to put what does put those fears to rest? 187 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.639 Well, First of all, public education is being funded an 188 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:10.759 additional seven hundred million dollars through this budget. I had 189 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:13.399 a reporter asked me last week. He said, what would 190 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.360 you say to the people who are set with you 191 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:19.679 for cutting funding to public education? And I said, I 192 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.519 would tell them that they have been misinformed and they 193 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.279 should be upset with anyone, including news outlets, that are 194 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.480 telling them that in fact, public education is being cut. 195 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.279 So here's what we're trying to do. There's a lot 196 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.720 of we got real problems with facuting property tax. There 197 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.759 are a lot of folks who are eliminated completely that 198 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:45.320 may be on the ballot next year. And essentially what 199 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.840 we've done is say, look, there are a lot of 200 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.080 public school districts, not all of them, who are carrying over, 201 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.759 who are getting tax money both from the state and 202 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:02.840 local property and spending it they're spending a lot. You 203 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.759 look at the amount of money, for example, that the 204 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.960 Columbus Public schools are spending per child. They had a 205 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:14.240 forty six percent carryover about four hundred million dollars that 206 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:16.200 they didn't spend, and there are a lot of other 207 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.360 school districts just like that. Of course, Columbus Public is 208 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.519 way above average in terms of how much it'spent. There 209 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.240 are other school districts like Bluffton in the Great Town 210 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:29.519 of Blufton, Ohio, and Island County. They only spend twelve 211 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.200 thousand dollars per kid. The average statewide is sixteen thousand, 212 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:36.559 three hundred. Go check your local school district, see how 213 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:37.240 much they're. 214 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.879 Spending for twenty three thousand, the Cincinnai twenty three thousand. 215 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.639 Well there you go. Now, I don't know what the 216 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:49.480 carryover for Cincinnati is, but if it's more than forty percent, 217 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.240 we're simply saying the school districts like I know, Columbus 218 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:58.320 Orange School District, several others around the state. Look, all 219 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.120 we're asking is at least return the money that you're 220 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:02.799 not spending. 221 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:04.080 We're not saying. 222 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:07.559 Go back and get rid of you know, building wellness managers, 223 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.279 which one of the school districts recently, someone told me 224 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:14.000 they hired all the other you know things that school. 225 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.840 It appears that public school districts spend money on that. 226 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:21.120 No other no other governmental entity is spending the kinds 227 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:23.679 of things that they're doing, right, And all we're saying 228 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.919 is you keep spending as much money as as your 229 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.000 local school board wants to do that. But if you 230 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.080 have extra money that you're not using, at least return 231 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:35.480 that to the taxpayer. And so we have school districts 232 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.799 that are sixty eighty one hundred, one hundred and fifty 233 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:44.399 percent carryovers, and in fact, the recommendation by school business 234 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.240 officials is carry over at least twenty five percent. Now 235 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.679 they're not going to put that in their talking points 236 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.039 that they're going to send to Bill cunning In. So 237 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:56.679 we have to do something about property taxes, because what 238 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.559 are these schools going to do if this goes on 239 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.759 the bow next year and pass it. It's going to pass. 240 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:03.559 It's going to pass. 241 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.639 In fact, I had one of your cohorts on who said, look, 242 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.240 it's either property tax, income tax, or sales tax. And 243 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.240 people hate all of them, the least hateful I guess 244 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:15.879 is sales tax you pay a little bit. But one 245 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.960 of your cohorts said to me that property taxes eliminated, 246 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.399 that means the sales tax in each county would have 247 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.559 to be about twenty percent and income taxes would double 248 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:28.759 a triple. And you haven't had to confront this yet, 249 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.559 But as the main guy in Columbus, what do you 250 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.840 do if property taxes are voted down? In other words, 251 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.799 you can't use them. They don't exist anymore. What's the 252 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:39.759 sales tax and income tax look like? 253 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:46.080 Well, I don't think that there's going to suddenly be 254 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:49.639 a push to double income tax and sales tax. What 255 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:52.480 we have are talent, and I've mentioned this last time 256 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:57.639 was one thousands of local taxing entities, and you know 257 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:01.159 people are willing to pay that apparently, but we may 258 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:04.440 not be able to afford six hundred plus school districts 259 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.200 and several hundred cities, townships and villages and all of 260 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:14.200 the things that we pay for right now. And I 261 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:16.720 think that if this passes next year, we're going to 262 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:19.879 have to look at a restructuring of local government and 263 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.039 how we do it. Now, everybody wants to have their 264 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:25.600 own local school, Everybody wants their own police and fire department. 265 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.480 You have to figure out how to pay for that. 266 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.039 But if this thing passes next year, then what we're 267 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:36.879 talking about in this budget is peanuts. People will be saying, 268 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.600 where do I sign up for that plan that we 269 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.080 had last year. I think that there is substantial property 270 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:47.080 tax really, if not just in the carryovers situation, but 271 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:51.320 there's a whole number of other things. We're eliminating emergency levees, 272 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:55.919 renewal levees with increases, substitute levees, combined levees, all things 273 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.799 that most of the public don't know about. They just 274 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.279 end up saying, well, I'm the kids, so I'm going. 275 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.159 To vote to the school left and they always pass 276 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.480 and I can't. You're not You're in Allen County. In 277 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.960 Hamlin County, we have mentally retarded my I use that 278 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.200 term because it's in the statute. We have senior citizen levee, 279 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.279 we have a zoo levee, we have the library level, 280 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:16.279 we have the engine level. We got all these levees. 281 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.200 We have eleven special levees that always win. Matt Hoffman, 282 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.080 and no point does anyone ever vote against any of 283 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:24.600 them because you got poor hungred kids to be fed, 284 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:27.960 and the property tax is completely out of control, especially 285 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:30.399 in Hamlin County. And you give us a shot to 286 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.000 vote that down, we're going to do it. 287 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:34.000 Yeah. 288 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:37.919 Look, there's the other you know sort of improvements are this. 289 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:40.720 If the school district has more than a one hundred 290 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:44.639 percent general fund carryover, they're prohibited from going to the ballot. 291 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.840 The school district can't increase tax revenues, which is some 292 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:51.799 of the things that happen. They shift the purpose of 293 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.399 the inside melage without they have to do it with 294 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.159 the public meeting. And these are all sort of strange 295 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.360 words to most people. But this how suddenly your taxes 296 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:03.679 go up. You didn't vote for it. There wasn't a 297 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.000 public meeting. Oh my guysh how did that happen? So 298 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.960 you know the other thing that will happen, and it 299 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:13.919 may not happen in the Cincinnati public schools, but in 300 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.240 many places, people are going to show up at their 301 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.639 school board and say, hey, wait a minute, you suddenly 302 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.720 have this operating extra operating money and you put it 303 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:29.480 into the permanent improvement fund, and now I don't get 304 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:31.960 a tax cut because of that. Well, well, we're going 305 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:33.679 to build a new building. Well, I would have liked 306 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.080 to remodel my bathroom with that extra tax money. So 307 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:40.480 there really needs to be a local involvement in what 308 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.399 these taxes are. And you know, I'm just as guilt 309 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:43.720 as there. 310 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:44.120 I think. 311 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.519 You know, my local school ley comes up, I vote 312 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:50.600 for in the park and all of those things. But 313 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:53.080 you know, it's a There are a lot of people, 314 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:57.039 of course, paying these taxes that don't get to vote, 315 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.279 and there are a lot of people who don't pay 316 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.360 the taxes who do get the vote right, And the 317 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:05.279 question really needs to be what is it that we 318 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.319 can do to make sure I think the current question 319 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.839 is what do we do to ensure the public that 320 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:15.039 next year's potential ballot initiative isn't necessary, that we've made 321 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:18.720 the changes in this budget. And if folks aren't convinced, 322 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:23.559 then were we are looking at local government armageddon next year? 323 00:17:23.799 --> 00:17:26.960 It will be armageddon. But nonetheless, I like the Tony Benders, 324 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.359 rich and famous. My producer, he likes the two point 325 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.079 seventy five percent cap on high income Americans so they 326 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.240 pay less money in state taxes, which I like to 327 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.559 a little bit. But Matt Huffman, we're going to have 328 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.960 on the governor Tuesday or Wednesday. He's got till midnight 329 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.680 tonight to veto line out in veto, it can be overruled, 330 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:46.640 but you told me off the air. Depends what the 331 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.119 issue is. You're not sure yet what's going to be vetoed, 332 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:51.519 what's not. Then you get back together. The pow wow 333 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:54.319 happens Tuesday and Wednesday, override the veto and away we go. 334 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.160 But Speaker of the House, Matt Huffman, once again, thanks 335 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:00.359 for setting the record straight, especially about the browns and angles. 336 00:18:00.359 --> 00:18:02.319 And you continue to have a great day. And thank you, 337 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:03.400 mister speaking. 338 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.000 All right, thanks Bill, God bless thank you very much. 339 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.039 God bless ill. Let's continue with more. There you have it. 340 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.119 So until there's a deal. Is there a deal with 341 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.279 the Bengals watching the media, we got a deal. In reality, 342 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:19.240 there's no deal. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred WLW. 343 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.640 It's officially time for Zero's annual summer sale. Take advantage 344 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:26.319 and get fifteen percent off all cleaning services. Mention me, 345 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:31.440 Bill Cunningham to secure this deal. Hit the music, Dave, 346 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.160 hit the music. The Great American is back and back. 347 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:37.480 Last night a little week in Naples, Florida to recharge 348 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.400 my battery. So I went to Naples, Florida because it 349 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.960 was much cooler there than Cincinnati. That's changing now as 350 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.079 I speak. Nonetheless, when I listen to Matt Huffman, et 351 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.480 cetera talk, you have to understand there's no such a 352 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.880 thing as a free lunch unless you're running for the 353 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.680 mayor's position in the New York City area, which case 354 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:58.599 Maldonnie gets a free lunch at someone else's expense. But 355 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.839 when this issue comes up about real estate property tax, 356 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.720 you give the American voter an opportunity to eliminate a 357 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.440 property tax. Guess what they're going to do it. And 358 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:11.839 my evidence for that is the great Rocky Boyman who's 359 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.160 that right there about a month ago and said, my 360 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.480 property tax bill is skyrocketing because of all the extra 361 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.559 levees that we put on and everyone has passed all 362 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.079 the time. Plus schools get more and more expensive. The 363 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.880 main source of revenue for schools is the local property tax, 364 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:31.440 and it's skyrocketed. There's ways of fixing it, such as 365 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.519 over sixty five on a fixed income you get a break, 366 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.079 maybe a homestead exemption one type or another, or that 367 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.200 if you're a certain age over sixty or seventy that 368 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.440 property taxes don't rise, et cetera. There's ways of doing that, 369 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.599 and I think Matt Huffman, the Speaker of the House 370 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:50.519 you just heard from, wants to implement a few of 371 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.880 these ideas. But I think all of it will be 372 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.000 a nulldy because if you put on the ballot this 373 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.480 November or next May in the state of Ohio may 374 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.559 not levery taxes on real estate whatsoever. And it's a 375 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:07.640 constitutional amendment which cannot be affected by the legislature. Somehow, 376 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:11.559 the billions and billions of dollars that schools received through 377 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:15.200 the property tax, plus others, including about thirteen or fourteen 378 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.519 levies in Hamlety County for every conceivable cause will all 379 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:20.279 go away. It'll be zero. 380 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:21.160 Now. 381 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.640 The lawmakers are going to give each each township or 382 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:29.240 each city, each county a year or two to come 383 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.799 up with an alternative system. It's either income tax, or 384 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:37.160 it's real estate tax, or it's sales tax. Those are 385 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:40.359 the three methods and means the government has to raise money. 386 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.960 If you eliminate one property taxes, that means one lawmaker 387 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.880 told me that the sales tax in Hamlety County, for example, 388 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:51.319 would have to be about eighteen to twenty percent, while 389 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.400 Boone and Boone Kenton Campbell, which of course is in Kentucky, 390 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.480 they would be unaffected. So many people will continue the 391 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.559 outflow from the city of Cincinnati and Hamlin County to 392 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.079 northern Kentucky and to Butler, Claremont and the Warren County. 393 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.359 But the difficulty is they're going to have the same problems. 394 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.359 That is, how do you fund government if you can't 395 00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:14.519 use real estate taxes to do it. The special levees 396 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.079 are a problem. Every time a special levee is on 397 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.359 the ballot, whether it's the library or the zoo, or 398 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:24.759 Senior Citizens levee or the Engaging Care levee or Engaging 399 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:28.400 Care and getting free lawyers and free medical care. There's 400 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.920 about thirteen or fourteen special levies. I don't think anyone's 401 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:35.880