Speaker 1: All right, let's get it. Drivetime Tuesday afternoon, ten minutes
Speaker 1: past the hour, two o'clock snow, wet, cold, chilly, ridiculous,
Speaker 1: over it whatever. April First, there actually is some sun
Speaker 1: in downtown Saal Lake City after getting smoked with snow
Speaker 1: last night in this morning. Landed from Vegas about an
Speaker 1: hour and a half ago, and back in Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: back in studio after a quick trip quick John down
Speaker 1: in the city of sin to watch the University of
Speaker 1: Utah the college basketball crown, of course, lasted for one
Speaker 1: game the Butler Bulldogs and the season for the Utes.
Speaker 1: And we're back home one night. Maybe we'll do a
Speaker 1: little story time. Your guy hit the tables for a
Speaker 1: minute after the show last night. Not too long. I
Speaker 1: want to get in bed early, catch a flight back
Speaker 1: to Salt Lake. And there's nothing quite like leaving sixty
Speaker 1: five sixty eight degree sunshine weather and landing where you
Speaker 1: live in April and taking the uber home to find
Speaker 1: your car buried in snow and having it dig that
Speaker 1: damn thing out. Anyway, I'm in a good mood. How
Speaker 1: are you happy? Tuesday? A lot to do on the
Speaker 1: program today, good guest list, We're gonna talk, of course,
Speaker 1: some college basketball. We'll do some Final Four, we'll do
Speaker 1: some NCAA tournament, We'll do some Utah, We'll do some BYU,
Speaker 1: We'll do some brackets on the program today. How your brackets?
Speaker 1: You're holding up our right? Do some college hoops? Of course,
Speaker 1: it is the madness of March that is now spilled
Speaker 1: to April, as we have turned our calendars to April.
Speaker 1: And while I'm on ree to start the show, can
Speaker 1: I just say, who's still doing April fools pranks? Don't
Speaker 1: just stop? It's dumb, mostly just annoy people. So I'm
Speaker 1: just curious if that's still part of your deal as
Speaker 1: it is April Fool's Day. Technically, how does the stretch
Speaker 1: running the NBA playoffs? Not a lot of interesting storylines
Speaker 1: around here with a Jazz, but some interesting storylines around
Speaker 1: the National Basketball Association. Ramona scheld more in a couple
Speaker 1: of other NBA riding about the firing of Taylor Jenkins
Speaker 1: in Memphis. Some interesting stuff there. But we're starting to
Speaker 1: get a feel of the playoff picture. Certainly, several races
Speaker 1: still going on. Utah Jazz are part of the race
Speaker 1: to the bottom. Tanka Palooza twenty twenty five. The Jazz
Speaker 1: are one of I'd say eight teams right now continuing
Speaker 1: to try to lose basketball games for the honor of
Speaker 1: drafting Cooper Flag. Let's see, six games left for the Jazz.
Speaker 1: Six games left. They're going to take on the Rockets
Speaker 1: tomorrow in Houston, and the Jazz are the worst team
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference and right in the mix to
Speaker 1: be the worst team in Pro basketball. So down the
Speaker 1: stretch we come with Utah Jazz. It's going to be
Speaker 1: at India excuse me out Houston tomorrow than at Indiana
Speaker 1: on Friday. Added Atlanta Quinn Snyder on Sunday, then home
Speaker 1: for a couple of games against Portland and Oksee. They'll
Speaker 1: finish off the season Sunday, April thirteenth at Minnesota. And
Speaker 1: as we say here today in the race for Cooper Flag,
Speaker 1: the Jazz have some company in the name of the
Speaker 1: Washington Wizards, who are sixteen and fifty nine. The Jazz
Speaker 1: are sixteen and sixty So congratulations. The Jazz are the
Speaker 1: worst team in the NBA. And this is the worst
Speaker 1: Jazz team in the history of the organization. By record,
Speaker 1: No Jazz team has ever lost sixty games before. So
Speaker 1: what is this team fifty one? I guess two years
Speaker 1: ago we'll call the team forty nine. Team fifty one
Speaker 1: the worst team in the history of the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 1: And hopefully Lady Luck shines on the Jazz in the
Speaker 1: second week of May and the lottery balls fall their
Speaker 1: way in order for the Jazz to draft Cooper Flagg. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: what has all this been about? Offseason in the NFL
Speaker 1: brings rule changes, and we have some rule changes that
Speaker 1: some have become official. Others, namely the tush push, potentially
Speaker 1: will be banned. That vote has been tabled for now,
Speaker 1: but the NFL offseason news cycle is kind of quieted down.
Speaker 1: Of course, spring football goes on at the University of
Speaker 1: Utah high speed ahead of the Forever twenty two game
Speaker 1: coming up in a few weeks. So it's always a
Speaker 1: good time to talk a little college football on the show.
Speaker 1: All right, Tuesday afternoon guest list goes like this, Tom Haberstrom,
Speaker 1: NBA Daily Assists, He'll stop by, we'll do some draft,
Speaker 1: we'll do some prospects, we'll do some jazz, we'll do
Speaker 1: some NBA at A little bit of everything with Tom. Today,
Speaker 1: the author of the book on Luka Doncic The Wonder Boy,
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are reading, including Richard Smith,
Speaker 1: who rolled by with a copy in his hand. Tim
Speaker 1: McMahon will roll by the program today in the three
Speaker 1: o'clock hour. Get to bring in Ken Pomeroy, our college
Speaker 1: basketball sage, our college basketball north Star, to talk tournament,
Speaker 1: to talk Hutes, talk Alex Jensen, talk b Yu and
Speaker 1: it'll be excited. It'll be fun to have Ken in today.
Speaker 1: And then the head coach over a Al Saal Lake
Speaker 1: Another result went the wrong way, but Pablo Mastroni will
Speaker 1: stop by today as RSL got got last week and
Speaker 1: we'll see if they can get back at it. Coming
Speaker 1: up on Saturday again, it's the La Galaxy. So Tom
Speaker 1: Habers show, Tim McMahon, Ken Palmroy, Pablo mash join any me,
Speaker 1: Spence Jackets back here on the ground and saw Lake
Speaker 1: City Happy, snowy, cold wintery April Tuesday to you and
Speaker 1: that guy Porter Larson, Tuesday afternoon. So are you proud
Speaker 1: of yourself for picking all the number one seeds? You
Speaker 1: go to the final four? Do you think that's actually
Speaker 1: a guy to mine analysis by you?
Speaker 2: Listen, you're you're you're leaving the horse there. I didn't
Speaker 2: say a work. I have not said a work, but
Speaker 2: I do believe the uh, the objective of the bracket
Speaker 2: is is his accuracy. Now, I know, I know, picking
Speaker 2: all the number one seeds is not necessarily a hot take,
Speaker 2: but yeah, doing the doing all right in the bracket challenge,
Speaker 2: I I will say I didn't feel good about doing it.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel happy. We said it the day leading
Speaker 2: into the bracket that I I was having reservations about
Speaker 2: how my bra get played out because I like picking
Speaker 2: the underdog. I like cheering for the underdog, and in
Speaker 2: fact found myself cheering against my own bracket much of
Speaker 2: this tournament because of that. But yeah, man, the cream
Speaker 2: is rising to the top more so in college basketball now,
Speaker 2: and we know why that is. The Almighty Dollar does
Speaker 2: a lot when it comes to the sports world, and
Speaker 2: when it finds its way into college athletics, it's going
Speaker 2: to change the game and it.
Speaker 1: Has the dynamite break down. But you buried the lead. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm leading.
Speaker 3: You picked the lead.
Speaker 1: All four number one seeds. And look here's the deal.
Speaker 1: As I told you, I filled out two brackets, one
Speaker 1: for work, one for my family bracket challenge, and my
Speaker 1: brother explained to his son, my nephew, Will, who is
Speaker 1: nine years old, who has probably never watched a college
Speaker 1: basketball game in his life, unless like BYU is playing
Speaker 1: because they're big BYU fans. He explained to him, Okay,
Speaker 1: when you fill out your bracket, remember the higher the
Speaker 1: number next to the team, the better those teams are.
Speaker 1: So Will, being the bright young man that he is,
Speaker 1: also has all four number one seeds in the final four,
Speaker 1: and he is winning our family bracket. So it worked.
Speaker 1: It is a strategy that works whether you're a basketball
Speaker 1: savant like Porter, the producer of the show, or you're
Speaker 1: a nine year old that likes Pokemon and not college basketball,
Speaker 1: so you're in good company.
Speaker 2: It has only happened twice, to be clear, in NCAA
Speaker 2: tournament history, so there is at least some at least
Speaker 2: some for SEC.
Speaker 1: I'm just mostly glad that I threw the bracket this year,
Speaker 1: so I didn't win it for like the sixth straight year.
Speaker 1: I wanted somebody else to get to shine, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad that it's you, because it should be somebody from
Speaker 1: our show. There we go right to spirit, our first
Speaker 1: guest today, Tom Haverstrow. We'll see if Tommy how his
Speaker 1: bracket's going. But before we get to Tom, on this
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Speaker 1: our first guest right out of the gates. We were
Speaker 1: in Vegas yesterday for the University of Utah men's basketball
Speaker 1: challenge in the College Basketball which unfortunately only lasted one day,
Speaker 1: and you know, we talked a lot about it on
Speaker 1: the program yesterday. Sean O'Connell host our midday show here
Speaker 1: on the station. Definitely give him your support. John's a
Speaker 1: very talented radio host. Stepped in for Bill Riley who
Speaker 1: was on vacation to call the game, and Sean Mooney
Speaker 1: was alongside of him, so we caught up with those
Speaker 1: two yesterday. We also caught up with Richard Smith and
Speaker 1: Josh Furlong and just real Quick in the segment kind
Speaker 1: of furthering the conversation that we had yesterday about the
Speaker 1: current state of the Utah men's basketball program. Ultimately, I
Speaker 1: respect and understand the endeavor of accepting an invitation to
Speaker 1: the college basketball crowd. I mean college basketball crown had
Speaker 1: some real elite brands, not real elite teams. Boise State's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Outside of that, you know, a school like
Speaker 1: Utah who is an elite historic basketball brand, a school
Speaker 1: like Georgetown, Arizona State in Butler, you know, right with
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens, but not a lot of
Speaker 1: great basketball. We did our show following the end of
Speaker 1: the Utes game, so we saw Boise State George Washington,
Speaker 1: and then the game ended while we were still on air,
Speaker 1: and so the nightcap we caught a couple a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes of that as well. So well, I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, because I referenced this yesterday. Yesterday when we
Speaker 1: had Smitty on the show. When I was walking from
Speaker 1: the entrance over to where we had set up the
Speaker 1: tie line to do the radio show, I counted more
Speaker 1: NBA and college scouts then I did almost fans. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: there was nobody there. Well, I think the I think
Speaker 1: the team that I saw with the probably the most
Speaker 1: fans and loudest fans, probably Nebraska from my vantaged point,
Speaker 1: but not a lot. And you know the media row
Speaker 1: that you walk past if you go to a Jazz game,
Speaker 1: and you see, you know, where a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys set up to watch the game, at least down low,
Speaker 1: although the media is up top of the Delta Center. Now,
Speaker 1: that was mostly college scouts and some you know, smattering
Speaker 1: of pro scouts looking to see if they can find
Speaker 1: some diamonds in the rough. So as we enter into
Speaker 1: the Alex Jensen era, and we are now officially in
Speaker 1: the Alex Jensen era pretty much starting today. I mean
Speaker 1: today is the first official day of Utah basketball with
Speaker 1: Alex Jensen as its head coach since the uts lost yesterday,
Speaker 1: and we await as to whether or not Alex and
Speaker 1: the staff are interested in bringing any of these young
Speaker 1: men back. And Sean Mooney had some interesting perspective on this.
Speaker 1: You know, he essentially was informed that Alex has been
Speaker 1: holding some zoom calls with a lot of these players
Speaker 1: and it really has been more of like a collaboration
Speaker 1: about what's best for you, you know, is it something
Speaker 1: that you're interested in as far as coming back to
Speaker 1: the you and playing for me. Are you looking for
Speaker 1: a fresh start? I think ezra Asar has a couple
Speaker 1: of kids that are in the Midwest. Maybe he wants
Speaker 1: to get closer to his children. You know, some other
Speaker 1: players might not have a great taste in their mouth
Speaker 1: as a result of their experience at the University of
Speaker 1: Utah where they didn't win a lot of basketball games
Speaker 1: and their head coach was fired the guy that they
Speaker 1: came to play for. So as we kind of await,
Speaker 1: you know, this this period where we're wondering what the
Speaker 1: rest of the staff is going to look like, and
Speaker 1: we're curious as to whether or not any of these
Speaker 1: players are going to come back, It's it's interesting to
Speaker 1: consider what it could look like starting next year. And
Speaker 1: I will talk about this throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: show with some of our other guests. And I want
Speaker 1: to be clear once again, this is just a gut
Speaker 1: feel and you kind of look around at some of
Speaker 1: the other reclamation projects in college basketball when coaches have
Speaker 1: taken over for a coach that has been ousted, and
Speaker 1: a couple of things often happened. First of all, players
Speaker 1: typically leave before the coach has a chance to kind
Speaker 1: of sell to them his vision for the program and
Speaker 1: his vision for how they fit in. And for an example,
Speaker 1: you look down South. After Mark Pope took took the
Speaker 1: Kentucky job, Jackson Robinson immediately transfer portal went to Lexington
Speaker 1: with Mark. Colin Chandler, who is a great, great young talent,
Speaker 1: played his college ball up up north in Davis County.
Speaker 1: BYU commit and a lot of people think he has
Speaker 1: pro potential. He's still fresh off the mission. He needs
Speaker 1: some time to get his legs back. Promptly de commits
Speaker 1: from BYU, goes to Kentucky. But one of the key
Speaker 1: things Kevin Young was able to do right away is
Speaker 1: convinced Dalan Hall and Richie Saunders to say because Mark
Speaker 1: wanted both of them in Kentucky, and a lot of
Speaker 1: reports or that Creighton made a big time push to
Speaker 1: get down Hall to sign on the dotted line there.
Speaker 1: And the fact of the matter is, if we can
Speaker 1: talk all we want about yegor Demon their best pro prospect,
Speaker 1: we can talk all we want about them getting kVA
Speaker 1: Cator from the U or Fustreori the most prolific field
Speaker 1: goal percentage here in the history, Brigham Young, Dollon Hall,
Speaker 1: and Richie Dallan Hall and Richie Saunders don't come back
Speaker 1: to play for Kevin this year. That team is a
Speaker 1: lot different. Richie was their best player and whenever Yegor
Speaker 1: struggled against pressure, Dallen is more of a gritty, tough
Speaker 1: point guard who had big twelve experience, came in and
Speaker 1: kind of call him the team. So is that a
Speaker 1: model that Alex is looking at? Are you looking at
Speaker 1: a Keanu Dawes who for whatever reason didn't get concent
Speaker 1: and big minutes under Craig, But Josh Eiler liked him,
Speaker 1: and in the seven games Josh coach, Keana had five
Speaker 1: double doubles, including nineteen and eleven yesterday eleven or nineteen
Speaker 1: points on six shots because he went to the free
Speaker 1: throw line nine times and knocked down eight of his
Speaker 1: free throws. You know, there are some intriguing pieces I
Speaker 1: think that Alex will look at. But if I had
Speaker 1: to guess, I'll go back to what I was saying yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I'll continue to reiterate. I just get a feel
Speaker 1: that al wants to do this thing right from the
Speaker 1: beginning and do it over. Hit the reset button. And
Speaker 1: build Utah basketball the way he believes that should be.
Speaker 1: Ken Pomeroy Kenpalm dot Com talk some college basketball, How
Speaker 1: your brackets doing? Pablo mastoinning the head coach at where
Speaker 1: Il saw Lake. Midweek conversation with Pablo before they're back
Speaker 1: in action coming up against LA. Has not been a
Speaker 1: great start of the season for RSL. But our first
Speaker 1: guest on a Tuesday, Tom Haberstrow, Tommy, Happy Tuesday. Just
Speaker 1: so you know, snowy cold, it feels like it's a
Speaker 1: February in saul Lake. How we holding up? Where you're at?
Speaker 5: It's about eighty degrees and Sonny, I hate to tell
Speaker 5: you where are you? I mean Charlotte, Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Your home, beautiful Charlotte, North Carolina place that I that
Speaker 1: I love it awful lot. All right, Tom, First of all,
Speaker 1: let's start with Porter is bragging because he picked all
Speaker 1: four number one seeds. You go to the final four
Speaker 1: like a simp. Yeah, that means he's winning our brackets.
Speaker 1: So he's become unsufferable. I believe you filled out a bracket.
Speaker 1: Did you did did you go all chock or did
Speaker 1: you did you do like I did and picked upsets,
Speaker 1: because you know you've watched this thing before.
Speaker 5: I did a lot of upsets, which I think was
Speaker 5: a balance with my pick to win it all Duke,
Speaker 5: So I felt like Duke was far and away the
Speaker 5: best team. I also saw Duke in person and was
Speaker 5: blown away at how professional they seemed like. They seemed
Speaker 5: like an NBA team with the way they played and
Speaker 5: the talent that was on the floor. And even though
Speaker 5: I hadn't no point of reference because I didn't watch
Speaker 5: any other team really in person, it just felt like
Speaker 5: this was a team that was destined to win it all.
Speaker 5: And when Cooper Flag got hurt in the ACC Tournament,
Speaker 5: I was actually there here in Charlotte, and I was
Speaker 5: a little worried because I was like, man, it would
Speaker 5: be great. As much as it pains me to say,
Speaker 5: as a kid who grew up as a Tar Heel
Speaker 5: fan going to UNC basketball camp and then going to
Speaker 5: nearby Wake Forest, there was a common enemy among those
Speaker 5: two schools, and that's Duke. But I found myself watching
Speaker 5: Cooper Flag and Malwatch and Canipple and these guys and
Speaker 5: feeling like they are it's already scripted, that they are
Speaker 5: that good, and that talented, and it was good to
Speaker 5: see that Cooper Flag made it back on the floor.
Speaker 5: And I just feel like this team is that much
Speaker 5: better than everybody else. The rest of my bracket.
Speaker 6: Talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yep, no, I'm in the same boat. I'm in the
Speaker 1: same boat. But let's stay in this space for a moment,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that casually watch sports that maybe a lot don't
Speaker 1: really watch college basketball, but they heard the name Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag all year, and certainly around here, if you're a
Speaker 1: basketball fan, you can't have a conversation without hearing Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1: Because the Jazz just became the first Jazz team in
Speaker 1: fifty plus years of an organizational history where they've lost
Speaker 1: sixty games. It's never happened. This is the worst thing
Speaker 1: we've ever had here. And so whenever the Jazz come up,
Speaker 1: it's not very long tim me before Cooper Flag's name
Speaker 1: come up comes up. So a lot of these people
Speaker 1: are probably watching him for the first time, and it,
Speaker 1: you know, during this tournament experience, it continues to be
Speaker 1: wild to me that in this day of college basketball,
Speaker 1: with the COVID year allowing extra eligibility and the transfer portal,
Speaker 1: allowing players to play sometimes into their mid to late twenties.
Speaker 1: I think Trevinell from BYU is about to turn twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He's older than Luke. Cooper Flagg, who should be a
Speaker 1: senior in high school reclassified just turn eighteen in December.
Speaker 1: Seems to dominate in every single way every time he plays.
Speaker 1: He's not perfect, nobody is. But what has been your
Speaker 1: takeaway with the performance of Cooper Flag during this tournament
Speaker 1: run for Duke?
Speaker 5: I think it'll help clarify things if you think of
Speaker 5: Cooper Flag as the white KG. He is so good
Speaker 5: at everything like KG was. KG at his peak, was
Speaker 5: the MVP of the NBA. He could pass, he could run,
Speaker 5: he could dribble, he could shoot. He had this fluidity
Speaker 5: to this game that it seemed like he was born
Speaker 5: to play basketball. That God himself looked at this dude
Speaker 5: and was like, you know what, You're going to play
Speaker 5: the sport of basketball because your body, your energy, your competitiveness,
Speaker 5: all of it manifests itself in this sport where you
Speaker 5: take a bouncy ball and throw it through an orange
Speaker 5: ring ten feet off the ground and it's hard because
Speaker 5: he's white. That we have a tough time comparing him
Speaker 5: to guys other than Andrea Kirilenko or you know, that's
Speaker 5: an often comparison for a Cooper Flag. And it's tough
Speaker 5: because our minds play, our mind plays tricks on us
Speaker 5: that our brain wants to compare him to someone who
Speaker 5: looks like him. And I'll remind you that KG, the
Speaker 5: kid or the ticket, he came into the league as
Speaker 5: a as a teenager, as basically an eighteen year old
Speaker 5: who averaged in his rookie season ten points and six rebounds,
Speaker 5: And I will remind you that that guy was considered
Speaker 5: the most competitive, was considered the most menacing, was considered
Speaker 5: the most talented, also the most unsupported superstar of his class.
Speaker 5: You look at how long it took for him to
Speaker 5: win a championship. I had to go to Boston to
Speaker 5: do it. And then once he went to Boston, people
Speaker 5: were like, oh, yeah, he's one of the best ever
Speaker 5: to do it. And I think Cooper Flag is built
Speaker 5: from the same mold competitive as all had skilled in
Speaker 5: every facet of the game. And if you remember, I
Speaker 5: think you've seen it before Spence the clip of Team
Speaker 5: USA where KG goes length of the court in a
Speaker 5: one on one battle with all of his Team USA players,
Speaker 5: his teammates, and he's not beaten. He no one beats
Speaker 5: him in a full length one on one game where
Speaker 5: it's kind of survivor where if you don't beat him,
Speaker 5: you step aside and KG continues on with the next contestant,
Speaker 5: beat him, step aside, and KG keeps going. And I
Speaker 5: think Cooper Flag is similarly skilled in that there is
Speaker 5: no weakness in his game that I can see, and
Speaker 5: he has that competitive edge that KG has and Cooper
Speaker 5: Flag at this point he's just turned eighteen. I think
Speaker 5: he's six nine six'. TEN i think he can grow another,
Speaker 5: inch AND i think the comparison is And Danny ainge
Speaker 5: famously GOT kg to win a championship With Ray allen
Speaker 5: And Paul pierce and probably has the same vision with this,
Speaker 5: Guy Cooper. Flag you know?
Speaker 1: What you know what else stands out to Me tom
Speaker 1: based off of his age again eighteen In. December he's
Speaker 1: a young. Eighteen he doesn't seem to get rattled like at,
Speaker 1: all because there have been several. Moments, look when you're
Speaker 1: when you're an, opponent and when you're playing a team
Speaker 1: Like duke and when you're playing against a player Like Cooper,
Speaker 1: flag you know who you're playing, against and you know
Speaker 1: how many eyes are on you when you're playing in that.
Speaker 1: Game and The Grant nelson kid From. Alabama you, know
Speaker 1: there have been several instances where opposing players or opposing
Speaker 1: fans have tried to get on him and try to rattle.
Speaker 1: Him and for an eighteen year old, kid he's just.
Speaker 1: Unflappable you, know he just goes about his business and
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to respond to any of the you, know
Speaker 1: any of THE ba teen that seems to be done
Speaker 1: in his. Direction it's pretty impress it.
Speaker 5: Is and this is the kind of thing THAT i
Speaker 5: saw with my own two, eyes two, eyes two, Eyes Looney,
Speaker 5: TUNES i don't know What i'm talking. About WHAT i
Speaker 5: saw my own two eyes in person At Cameron indoor
Speaker 5: was in the second half after dealing with foul. Trouble
Speaker 5: he was unleashed that he had to sit for much
Speaker 5: of the first half because he picked up three early,
Speaker 5: fouls And John shire put him on ice to make
Speaker 5: sure that he had him in the second, half and
Speaker 5: then he just said go get, him And Cooper flag
Speaker 5: was unstoppable the rest of the. Game when his team needed,
Speaker 5: him he rose above and he, dominated AND i think
Speaker 5: at a certain point in this season the team just
Speaker 5: kind of let him loose and was, like go be
Speaker 5: you and ball, dominant ball in his, hand high pick and,
Speaker 5: rolls playing like a, guard but on the defensive, end
Speaker 5: blocking every, shot deterring every. Shot AND i think that's
Speaker 5: kind of the apex Of Cooper flag is that there
Speaker 5: is not a part of the game that he cannot.
Speaker 5: Dominate AND i think in AN nba context and the
Speaker 5: right coaching, staff on the right, teammates he can be
Speaker 5: AN mvp, because like you, said he's unflappable and he
Speaker 5: has between his two. EARS i think he's got a
Speaker 5: wonderful thing about him and EDGs to him that, again
Speaker 5: you look AT, kg you look At, lebron you look
Speaker 5: At Chris, paul these guys who have lasted very long
Speaker 5: in THEIR nba. Careers it's a lot to do with
Speaker 5: how they think about the game and that competitive. Edge
Speaker 5: Stephen curry as, well it's JUST i think he has,
Speaker 5: it AND i think there's a really good reason why
Speaker 5: The Utah jazz have registered their first sixty loss season
Speaker 5: of their franchise.
Speaker 1: History so what do you think tom it is going
Speaker 1: to look, like whether It's utah Or washington Or charlotte
Speaker 1: or wherever With cooper right? Away because your Reference garnett's
Speaker 1: rookie year ten point six, boards we just don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of rookies save The, unicorn save The lebrons or.
Speaker 1: Whatever but most rookies come in and even if when
Speaker 1: they are fully baked four or five years later THEY'RE mvp,
Speaker 1: candidates it doesn't look great right away because they're, young
Speaker 1: they're learning how to be a. Pro there is a
Speaker 1: toll on the, body and we're seeing that with some
Speaker 1: of The jazz rookies hitting the proverbial rookie. Wall THOUGH
Speaker 1: i think there are a lot of players that have
Speaker 1: won two to three can coun this about a month.
Speaker 1: Ago but what do you think it's gonna look like
Speaker 1: With cooper right? Away what's a reasonable expectation? Stats generally,
Speaker 1: speaking what do you think he can post his first
Speaker 1: year of pro?
Speaker 5: BASKETBALL i think somewhere in Between wemby and kg's rookie,
Speaker 5: season something like sixteen points a. Game wemby last year
Speaker 5: as a twenty year, old he averaged twenty one, points ten,
Speaker 5: rebounds three point nine assists and three point six.
Speaker 6: Blocks that's.
Speaker 5: Outrageous but he's twenty one. Now he was twenty at
Speaker 5: the end of last. Season Cooper flag is gonna be
Speaker 5: a year younger than, that and you keep referencing, it
Speaker 5: AND i don't think people will quite understand he should
Speaker 5: be In devonta's, class that's how young he. Is it
Speaker 5: is very rare to have a guy who was the
Speaker 5: youngest guy in his class also be the best player
Speaker 5: of his, class and that's what we have With Cooper.
Speaker 5: FLAG i, suspect you, know some of the great rookie
Speaker 5: seasons of all time aren't necessarily the great harbingers, of you,
Speaker 5: know future. Success Blake griffin comes to, mind where he
Speaker 5: had a year off because of. IT i think it
Speaker 5: was a foot, injury and then he came in and
Speaker 5: was dominant right away and just wowing people with his
Speaker 5: athleticism and dunking everybody, over everybody In Lob. City BUT
Speaker 5: i would also caution that at his, PEAK i Think
Speaker 5: Blake griffin would have had even higher peaks if he
Speaker 5: hadn't had that injury in his first. Year and just
Speaker 5: because you average twenty two and twelve as a, rookie
Speaker 5: remember that, Dude Blake griffin was twenty one years old
Speaker 5: as a, Rookie SO i think it's all relative and
Speaker 5: keep age if you've been hammering this with your. AUDIENCE
Speaker 5: i think it's. Smart guys Like Cooper flag have dominated
Speaker 5: college basketball At duke, before but not at this. Age
Speaker 5: this is something. Else this is a unicorn of, unicorns
Speaker 5: AND i think That Victor Webbin yama is a good
Speaker 5: proxy for what we might see as a. Rookie but
Speaker 5: Remember wemby was a year older than what we're going
Speaker 5: to See Cooper flag next.
Speaker 1: Year so one more question, here then we'll move. On you,
Speaker 1: know that's a good explanation of what you think he
Speaker 1: can be right away as he, grows you, know predicated
Speaker 1: of course on being in the right system with the right.
Speaker 1: Coach instead eating what you, Eating i'm washing down my
Speaker 1: own Crustable tom since you brought it, UP i have the,
Speaker 1: weirdest dumbest. LIKE i don't know if it's a. TICK
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Speaker 1: i've been doing this twenty years AND i still do
Speaker 1: not eat with enough time during the break to come
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Speaker 1: it and, LOOK i know That i'm doing, it BUT
Speaker 1: i just still do, it like porter's good to let me, Know,
Speaker 1: hey we're back in thirty or. Whatever it doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: Me i'm, like all, right that's enough time to get
Speaker 1: a peanut butter and jam sandwich down my. Throat and
Speaker 1: it never.
Speaker 5: Is have you ever had goober?
Speaker 3: Grape?
Speaker 1: Oh, yes so?
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Speaker 1: Well i'm down to do, that just so you. KNOW i,
Speaker 1: mean for a little context, HERE i was In vegas
Speaker 1: yesterday for The utah men's basketball, game and when they,
Speaker 1: LOST i booked my flight for this morning and the
Speaker 1: only flight got me back thirty minutes before the, show
Speaker 1: SO i had to rush, home grab WHATEVER i had
Speaker 1: to snack, on rush back down to the, studio and
Speaker 1: here we. Are so they're a little tread off the,
Speaker 1: tires running on fumes a little, bit but you do
Speaker 1: what you gotta. Do SO i will reset the question
Speaker 1: and Then i'll just let you run with, it And
Speaker 1: i'll make it shorter instead of another weird you know
Speaker 1: TENDENCY i have is to be long with questions and
Speaker 1: too long with. Goodbyes but let's move. On what do
Speaker 1: you Think cooper flag looks like fully developed in THE?
Speaker 5: Nba, YEAH i, mean MAYBE i should have held, this
Speaker 5: BUT i THINK kg two way Super star Super Impressive
Speaker 5: Leadership Skills CHAMPION. Mvp that's the. Ceiling that's the. Ceiling
Speaker 5: Victor Webbin yama because of his size and his, SKILL
Speaker 5: i think he has goat upside and his most recent
Speaker 5: diagnosis with deep Van thrombosa's, NOTWITHSTANDING i think if he overcomes,
Speaker 5: that he has goat. Potential Does Cooper flag have goat? Potential,
Speaker 5: LOOK i think he can be a massively SUCCESSFUL nba.
Speaker 5: Player does he have goat potential written on? HIM i
Speaker 5: don't think in the same way That wemby. Does BUT
Speaker 5: i also think that there's a tier Below wemby And
Speaker 5: lebron And i'd probably Put Cooper flag in THEIR kg
Speaker 5: where it's it's filled with guys Like shack And Tim,
Speaker 5: duncan where it's they're not in the goat, conversation but
Speaker 5: they're considered one of the very best at their. POSITION
Speaker 5: i Think Cooper flag somewhere in The Tim DUNCAN kg
Speaker 5: range is his.
Speaker 1: Ceiling so if The jazz draft, Him, okay because we
Speaker 1: talked last week about, this this two tiered kind of
Speaker 1: debate that's going on out here about what The jazz
Speaker 1: would do if they Grab Cooper, flag and after a
Speaker 1: couple of shows last, week you, know they're guys over
Speaker 1: there that listen to the. Show THEY'RE nba guys and they,
Speaker 1: like you, know guests like you And tim and, committiment
Speaker 1: all the guests that we. Have So i've been told,
Speaker 1: like if they are able to Grab Cooper, flag this
Speaker 1: does not indicate they're gonna hemorrhage the rest of the
Speaker 1: roster and start with just, him like their timeline would
Speaker 1: start just. NOW i think they Like lowry a. Lot you,
Speaker 1: know The lowry marketing of the past couple of years
Speaker 1: has been forced to play in the sandbox with, children
Speaker 1: and he was An All stars first year, here but
Speaker 1: he Had Mike conley next to him and some other veteran.
Speaker 1: Pieces he hasn't looked the same because as he doesn't
Speaker 1: have teammates that know how to play pro basketball. Yet
Speaker 1: AND i think they Love. Walker so that would be
Speaker 1: your front. Court Walker, Kessel Lowry market And Cooper. FLAG
Speaker 1: i have a ton of questions about almost everybody else
Speaker 1: on the, Roster but what do you think The jazz
Speaker 1: would look like next year if they basically bring back
Speaker 1: the bulk of their roster and they Add Cooper flag to.
Speaker 1: It what does that look.
Speaker 5: LIKE i think that's a playoff team if you have
Speaker 5: a Motivated Larry markinen and a coach that understands the
Speaker 5: mission And Will hardy and understands this is less about
Speaker 5: a development year and about a winning. YEAR i do
Speaker 5: The blazers games as the analytics analytics, insider and one
Speaker 5: of the things That i've been tracking is like when
Speaker 5: the team realized it was not just in a developmental,
Speaker 5: year they were in a results. Year halfway through the,
Speaker 5: season they have the top five defense and an average,
Speaker 5: offense and that resulted in a hunt of. Winning and
Speaker 5: sometimes it happens that, quickly is that you think that
Speaker 5: it's a developmental, year, retooling tanking, year whatever you want
Speaker 5: to call. It there's a moment in time where they,
Speaker 5: realize wait a, minute why are we trying to develop
Speaker 5: skills without like trying to win these? Games AND i
Speaker 5: think that would be the case next. Year is marketing
Speaker 5: is good. ENOUGH i think he's Tall Klay. Thompson, offensively
Speaker 5: he might not be the point of attack defender That
Speaker 5: clay was at his, peak but you put that skill
Speaker 5: set next To Cooper flag and then you have a
Speaker 5: rim protector Like Walker, Kessler they're gonna win a lot of.
Speaker 5: Games AND i think with the playing tournament the way it,
Speaker 5: is where twenty teams have an ability to get into
Speaker 5: playoffs at of, THIRTY i think they would be very
Speaker 5: much in that. Conversation, NOW i think that would be
Speaker 5: premature to suggest that that's when you build up into
Speaker 5: a title, contender to start adding disgruntle veterans superstar players
Speaker 5: from other teams and say let's try to win right
Speaker 5: now with an aging. VETERAN i don't think that they
Speaker 5: should go trade For Kevin durant this summer if they
Speaker 5: Land Cooper, flag but if it Was John, moran or
Speaker 5: if it's someone else that was younger and might be
Speaker 5: able to be. Had Dearon fox comes to. Mind with
Speaker 5: The San Antonio, spurs they did something like that in year.
Speaker 5: Two significantly into year two they, said let's go get
Speaker 5: A deer And fox and accelerate this timetable a little.
Speaker 5: BIT i could see how after year one The Utah
Speaker 5: jazz would reevaluate and, say all, right now let's go
Speaker 5: get another. Guy let's get a shooter who can distribute
Speaker 5: the rock and not Have Cooper flag having to create
Speaker 5: everything that might happen after year, one BUT i think
Speaker 5: in year one you could realistically With Cooper flag on
Speaker 5: the team and with a re Engineered Walker kessler And Larry,
Speaker 5: MARKINEN i think you could win a lot of games
Speaker 5: with those.
Speaker 1: Three so based off of your, history the jazz in this,
Speaker 1: Well i'm supposed to call it a tear, down BUT
Speaker 1: i will. Not during this rebuild. Process the draft capital
Speaker 1: that they have received from the Go beart and The mitchell,
Speaker 1: deal bit pieces of draft capital from other Deals Conley,
Speaker 1: bogdanoviconio all that stuff that combined with our own so
Speaker 1: far has bred two top ten. Picks one Is Taylor,
Speaker 1: hendrix AND i actually still Think taylor has a. Chance
Speaker 1: we just don't know because he got hurt so, early
Speaker 1: and all indicators are he's getting close, to you, know getting,
Speaker 1: back and he should be ready to start next. Year
Speaker 1: So i'm gonna Put taylor aside for a moment And
Speaker 1: i'm gonna hone in On Cody. Williams And i'm going
Speaker 1: to try to do this without being unfair because he's
Speaker 1: twenty years old playing for a team during his rookie
Speaker 1: season without a lot of grown ups in the locker.
Speaker 1: Room you, know to really help him understand what he
Speaker 1: needs to. Do but the fact of the matter, is
Speaker 1: there just has not been much of Anything tom to
Speaker 1: look at to make you think The jazz may have
Speaker 1: made the right. Decision i'm not saying they did or
Speaker 1: they did, not because it would be a fool's air
Speaker 1: and to anoint or dismiss a twenty year. Old but
Speaker 1: they're just you, know even when he was down with the,
Speaker 1: stars there were moments here or, there but nothing really.
Speaker 1: Consistent and As will has leaned into playing young players
Speaker 1: and Giving cody minutes and, starts you see a lot
Speaker 1: of bad. Decisions you don't see a lot of good.
Speaker 1: Shooting you don't see a lot of finishing with. Physicality
Speaker 1: he gets pushed around on defense because he's. THIN i
Speaker 1: just think you'll want to see a little bit more
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season from a top ten
Speaker 1: pick to indicate that maybe you made the right. Decision
Speaker 1: so what's fair to say about a rookie year from
Speaker 1: a young man who just simply has not shown much
Speaker 1: of anything as far as promised that you, know maybe
Speaker 1: The jazz made the right call.
Speaker 5: There it's tough because you, know the school thought of,
Speaker 5: like let a guy play through his mistakes and he
Speaker 5: will learn and he will get. BETTER i think this
Speaker 5: is more in The Tom thibodeau school of, thinking is
Speaker 5: you've got to learn by, playing and that can. Hurt,
Speaker 5: ALSO i, mean you imagine a player that fails so
Speaker 5: much that they become almost psyched, out that they are
Speaker 5: seeing so much failure that they can't see the. Light
Speaker 5: and what we're seeing With Cody williams is he's, played you,
Speaker 5: know fifty. Games it's happenging about twenty minutes per. Game
Speaker 5: and we've never seen a player IN nba history with
Speaker 5: this low productivity with this many minutes in their rookie.
Speaker 5: Season So i'm going to say that, Again Cody williams
Speaker 5: with a three point seven player efficiency, rating might not
Speaker 5: be the best metric to go, by But i'll just
Speaker 5: give you this as an example of his productivity. Levels
Speaker 5: he's shooting thirty two percent from the. Floor his true
Speaker 5: shooting percentage is forty one. Percent the numbers are, gory
Speaker 5: but when you compare it to all rookies who have
Speaker 5: played one thousand minutes in their rookie, season he ranks
Speaker 5: dead last in THE nba. History and so that's. Two
Speaker 5: it's telling me two. Things one he's not very, productive
Speaker 5: but two there's you, know there's reasons why he's getting
Speaker 5: so much playing. Time is because they have an incentive.
Speaker 5: Structure they're responding to an inside of structure that rewards
Speaker 5: teams for being bad or not winning. Games and so
Speaker 5: in another climate or another, team he might not get
Speaker 5: any run and he might be in THE G league
Speaker 5: the whole. Time but under This Utah jazz, team you're
Speaker 5: looking At Nicolos Ketish, peely The denver high draft pick
Speaker 5: who had a four point nine peer his his rookie.
Speaker 5: Season Dante exum a better success, story but also one
Speaker 5: That utah had five point, Seven Austin rivers five point.
Speaker 5: Nine the success story you want to point to Is
Speaker 5: Demonisa bonus was at six point nine and okasee and
Speaker 5: later became a Perennial All star candidate who was thirteenth
Speaker 5: on this. List That Cody williams's, FIRST i don't know
Speaker 5: if it's one you want to be. First And Rashad
Speaker 5: vaughan From Milwaukee buck you might not know him. Well
Speaker 5: he was nineteen and had a four point two Per
Speaker 5: this is all to say a lot of these players
Speaker 5: in this conversation are not. Hits there are players that
Speaker 5: have hit. That Danny avdya is another one that had
Speaker 5: a really tough rookie season and has now developed into
Speaker 5: a guy who's a twenty to ten guy over his
Speaker 5: last fifteen. Games it can't, happen but just like in anything,
Speaker 5: else you'd rather be on the other end of that
Speaker 5: spectrum than this. One AND i think it's tough to
Speaker 5: grade him based on the goals of this, season but
Speaker 5: there's no doubt about. It what you're, sniffing it smells
Speaker 5: that and that is the rookie season For Cody williams
Speaker 5: that is statistically among the worst that we've seen with
Speaker 5: this kind of, Minutes.
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Speaker 1: back on the show on A. Tuesday Happy, Tuesday, tim how.
Speaker 6: Are we doing at you? Partner appreciate you having.
Speaker 1: Me appreciate the. Time so for the first time in jazz.
Speaker 1: History we have a team that has lost sixty plus games, one, two,
Speaker 1: three can coun you can tell. That look you know the.
Speaker 1: Deal not just, players, coaches front office, guys front office, members.
Speaker 1: BROADCASTERS i think everybody is ready for this season to be.
Speaker 1: Over only six games left. Him what do you have
Speaker 1: to say to jazz?
Speaker 6: Fans, WELL i don't know why you're being so. NEGATIVE
Speaker 6: i just literally grabbed the package from my front. DOOR
Speaker 6: i opened it, up and it is a nice little
Speaker 6: promotional thing For Isaiah cahier for all rookie there's the
Speaker 6: big mountain lift passes type of things going. On there's nice.
Speaker 6: PHOTOGRAPHY i thought it was a well done promotional campaign
Speaker 6: for a man who Broke John stockton's assist record last.
Speaker 6: Night NOW i guess one Of. JOHNSTONE i Guess John
Speaker 6: stockton probably has some other assist records NOW i think about,
Speaker 6: it but he did break the franchise rookie assist. Record
Speaker 6: nice little season and of the number twenty nine overall
Speaker 6: Pick you know me a guy who finds silver linings
Speaker 6: While i'm up on those mountain chairlift type of, things
Speaker 6: and NOW i have to pass four thanks To Isaiah
Speaker 6: colliers house stay in rookie. Season so why don't we
Speaker 6: talk about.
Speaker 1: That let's Do John stockton as a rookie started five
Speaker 1: games and played eighteen minutes a.
Speaker 6: Night oh, well ge, Whiz ain't that a? Bit you?
Speaker 6: KNOW i think that this means That collier's on his
Speaker 6: way to like fifteen nine hundred more assists or.
Speaker 1: SO i will say. This you, KNOW i was because
Speaker 1: when The jazz released this promotional, campaign you start looking
Speaker 1: around at this rookie. CLASS i actually think he has
Speaker 1: a chance to him to Make All. ROOKIE i don't
Speaker 1: know that he, will BUT i when you look at
Speaker 1: he's thirty two percent from three since The All star,
Speaker 1: break which isn't, good but it's better than twenty three.
Speaker 1: Percent the crew irony is the best picks The jazz
Speaker 1: have made since they started this project have been in
Speaker 1: the late maybe second round With. Philipowski but do you
Speaker 1: Think isaiah's got a shot to Make All?
Speaker 3: Rookie, yeah he's a.
Speaker 6: SHOT i, mean, look first of, all most guys who
Speaker 6: Make All rookie teams aren't playing for very good teams
Speaker 6: for obvious. Reasons you, know typically the rookies who play
Speaker 6: a lot aren't on good. Teams there are some, exceptions you,
Speaker 6: Know Jalen wells And zachie from The, grizzlies although it's
Speaker 6: a different sort of issue, there but you, KNOW i
Speaker 6: think both those guys end up making. It but you,
Speaker 6: know he has had a good rookie. Season talking About, collier,
Speaker 6: now as you, say, preferably you'd like for the guy
Speaker 6: you had in the you draft in the lottery to
Speaker 6: be the candidate that you're promoting later. On but you,
Speaker 6: know there's got a chance to be a nice player
Speaker 6: and is off to a prompting. Start and you, know
Speaker 6: the thing About collier is there was a point in
Speaker 6: time where he was expected to be maybe even an
Speaker 6: early lottery, pick and obviously didn't have the kind of
Speaker 6: season people anticipated last year FOR, Usc so you, know
Speaker 6: he's not your typical number twenty nine overall pick in
Speaker 6: terms of potential.
Speaker 1: Upside and you, know The Kyle philipowski pick in the second.
Speaker 1: Round you, know we've talked about this a couple of different. Times,
Speaker 1: NOW i, mean the two top ten picks The jazz
Speaker 1: have had since THIS i Know i'm supposed to say tear,
Speaker 1: down But i'm going to say. Rebuild since this all,
Speaker 1: Started Taylor, hendrix who we don't. Know you, Know taylor got.
Speaker 1: Hurt we'll wait and see what he turns. INTO i
Speaker 1: actually like him as much as any of these young.
Speaker 1: Prospects we just need to see. More and Then, Cody
Speaker 1: Cody williams and you Know Tom, aberstrow your. Buddy last,
Speaker 1: segment you, know dropped The haberstrow numbers on. Us And
Speaker 1: cody has the worst you, know player efficiency number based
Speaker 1: off of he's played more than a thousand minutes in
Speaker 1: the history of THE. Nba AND i just think you
Speaker 1: want your top ten pick as will has gone all
Speaker 1: in over the, past you, know six eight weeks or so,
Speaker 1: on giving these rookies, opportunities starting, them playing them big,
Speaker 1: minutes Including cody And. TIM i can point to all of, Them, Isaiah, Kyle,
Speaker 1: KEYANTE i could keep, Going Bryce sensebos been knocking down.
Speaker 1: Shots all of them have shown in stretches that they
Speaker 1: do HAVE nba skill sets Besides, cody and he's your
Speaker 1: top ten. GUY i don't know if you talk to
Speaker 1: him over, there and he's only, twenty but is there
Speaker 1: any worry that this may have been a swing and a?
Speaker 6: MISS i, mean you, know naturally to ask to be.
Speaker 6: WORRIED i would, say you, know giving up on him
Speaker 6: would be paying. Sures he's still a, teenager.
Speaker 1: He's, twenty he's a young twenty year old, Younger i'm.
Speaker 6: Sure SO i would, say you, know declare making any
Speaker 6: kind of like permanent declarations would be. Premature but, hey
Speaker 6: it's there's not been a whole lot of reason to be,
Speaker 6: optimistic you, know as far as what he's shown on
Speaker 6: the floor for you this.
Speaker 1: Season if The jazz Get Cooper, flag what does that
Speaker 1: look like immediately right away next?
Speaker 6: Year you, know it looks like they've got a guy
Speaker 6: to build. Around they've got to face the. FRANCHISE i
Speaker 6: don't think it means that they're going to be competitive right,
Speaker 6: away but it means that there's you, know a clear foundation,
Speaker 6: piece which you, know as of right, now that guy
Speaker 6: is not necessarily if there's really not the like the
Speaker 6: big foundation piece on the roster at, ALL i think
Speaker 6: the question is can market and be your second or
Speaker 6: third best player once you get good and then you,
Speaker 6: Know Walker KESS i think is a complementary piece and
Speaker 6: potentially can be for a long. Time but, look The
Speaker 6: jazz are in desperate need of a franchise player And
Speaker 6: Cooper flag would step into that void right. Away doesn't mean, like,
Speaker 6: look there's no such thing as a. Guarantee you, know
Speaker 6: nobody is guaranteed to be a, superstar but you know
Speaker 6: he's pretty close to.
Speaker 1: It so typically in the history of THE, nba if
Speaker 1: you're a twenty five year old generational, talent you don't get.
Speaker 1: Traded and if you're a really good young head coach
Speaker 1: who has brought your team to a lot of, wins
Speaker 1: playoff berths with what appeared to be good progress trending.
Speaker 1: Forward AND i think the piece That Ramona shelbourne and
Speaker 1: you guys did over AT espn today On Taylor jenkins
Speaker 1: is really good to outline some of the offensive changes
Speaker 1: that they made with some of the international coaching. Hires
Speaker 1: and you know HOW i think it was oer and
Speaker 1: eleven against winning. TEAMS i still tim am very shocked
Speaker 1: That Taylor jenkins lost his. Job now that it's been
Speaker 1: a little while and time has, passed what exactly happened, Here.
Speaker 6: Well he got his knees cut out from undrum last
Speaker 6: summer when he was forced to fire five assistant. Coaches
Speaker 6: ob basically you, know gutted his staff and you know
Speaker 6: had to bring you, know and he was part of
Speaker 6: the interview, process but these weren't his HighRes that he brought.
Speaker 6: In and then he, bring you, know the The grizzlies
Speaker 6: bring in the front office brought in two. Guys one
Speaker 6: is now their interim coach To Thomas, zallo who was
Speaker 6: kind of, considered, oh this guy's this, bright rising offensive
Speaker 6: mine In, europe but you know it coached the Euro
Speaker 6: cup championship team last. Year, okay you're bringing him. In
Speaker 6: and Then Noela, roach who's a player development GUY i
Speaker 6: was doing some consulting stuff for The, spurs had some really,
Speaker 6: interesting unique offensive, ideas but those guys' ideas didn't really
Speaker 6: mesh and so you had this tug of. War and so,
Speaker 6: look everybody in the league knew That Taylor jenkins probably
Speaker 6: wasn't going to be back with The grizzlies next. Year
Speaker 6: you don't have your staff gutted like that and then
Speaker 6: give up control of your offense to two guys who
Speaker 6: you didn't know until the interview process started over the
Speaker 6: summer without your job being in. Jeopardy the anticipation Was
Speaker 6: grizzlies would get bounced in the first, round then it
Speaker 6: would be. Done so the surprise Would taylor was that
Speaker 6: it happened when it. Did that happened with nine games left
Speaker 6: in the regular. Season the bigger surprise to people who've
Speaker 6: been filing the Grizz is this, season, though was That
Speaker 6: noel La ross also got. Fired this is a guy
Speaker 6: they gave him a seven figure salary to lead the
Speaker 6: player development, program but then he was essentially serving as
Speaker 6: their offensive coordinator and all this new kind of, interesting
Speaker 6: creative stuff that they were doing this, year very unique
Speaker 6: stuff that they were doing this year was. His so
Speaker 6: what that means and by the, Way joe hated it
Speaker 6: because they've set in the fewest ball screens And Drew
Speaker 6: landolph since the tracking stuff started more than a decade.
Speaker 6: Ago so what this really means, Is, Okay taylor wasn't
Speaker 6: going to make it after the, season let's just do it,
Speaker 6: Now and then they went away from a system that
Speaker 6: had worked to a certain. DEGREE i was really creative and,
Speaker 6: unique but their, face the franchise hated. It so this
Speaker 6: is attempt, to as somebody there told, me to try
Speaker 6: to Optimize, jaw and really it's an attempt to try
Speaker 6: to Make jaw happy because there's also been a lot of,
Speaker 6: noise and not the drinking's part of, it but getting
Speaker 6: rid Of Nola rosi and the offensive systems and attempts
Speaker 6: to Make jaw happy because there has been a lot
Speaker 6: of noise About jaw's not, Happy jos. Grumbling you know
Speaker 6: what's going to happen With John? Memphis is that going to?
Speaker 6: Be is that gonna you, know be something that bubbles
Speaker 6: up this? Summer and you, KNOW i would say we
Speaker 6: will see about all, that but doing it the way
Speaker 6: the whole last year In memphis has been messy from
Speaker 6: a coaching staff, perspective was there any?
Speaker 1: INPUT i, Mean ja's also twenty, five you, know and,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm looking at The memphis situation maybe through the
Speaker 1: prism of what we deal with here In. Utah with
Speaker 1: the jazz roster there right, now in ability to compete
Speaker 1: at a high, level like you could do a lot
Speaker 1: worse than What memphis is and who they've, been and
Speaker 1: you could do a lot worse Than Taylor jenkins as
Speaker 1: the head. Coat so it's not like that's a bad.
Speaker 1: Roster they do have a cornerstone And John, moran do
Speaker 1: you know if there was any feedback From jaw or
Speaker 1: his camp that they wanted to make this change based
Speaker 1: off of your comments on how upset he seemed to
Speaker 1: be with his offensive.
Speaker 6: System so, AGAIN i don't Think joe wanted to play
Speaker 6: in that offensive system. Anymore. SO i think the firing
Speaker 6: Of noel La roche is an attempt to try to
Speaker 6: Appease John moran my, understanding as none of this was
Speaker 6: discussed with him directly. Beforehand but that's the firing of
Speaker 6: the seventh figure assistant who's sitting on the second row
Speaker 6: pulling the strings of the. Offense the firing Of Taylor
Speaker 6: jenkins is not something That jaw pushed. FOR i don't
Speaker 6: know if it's something To job even wanted it at.
Speaker 6: ALL i don't know if any issues there. NOW i
Speaker 6: was told That taylor had quote unquote lost the locker
Speaker 6: room in the, players Including, jaw had tuned him. Out
Speaker 6: but guess, what that's the kind of thing that happens
Speaker 6: when you had the coach off at his knees by
Speaker 6: making him cut his whole staff and bringing people that
Speaker 6: don't know and turn over the offense to people that
Speaker 6: he just. Met, like players aren't, dumb they can read
Speaker 6: the tea leaves on, that and so he lost the
Speaker 6: locker room To whiz who you, know of course he
Speaker 6: did you you you newtered the guy for everybody to.
Speaker 1: See so one of the other assistants they brought in
Speaker 1: didn't just keep his. Job he was elevated to the
Speaker 1: interim in This Tamasa Salo finnish coach who is now
Speaker 1: the interim head. Coach is what is your understanding as
Speaker 1: far as the difference between this coach and Then laroche
Speaker 1: who was. FIRED i, mean he obviously has the respect
Speaker 1: and admiration of somebody because he has the job.
Speaker 6: Now, yeah so he actually his system is much more
Speaker 6: pick and roll. Based you, know there are some creative
Speaker 6: elements of, that but again where they were setting by
Speaker 6: far the fewest ball screens in THE, nba like ten
Speaker 6: fuel per game anybody. Else his is more of a
Speaker 6: pick and roll based. System and, look Job joe doesn't
Speaker 6: want to be off the ball and cutting and you,
Speaker 6: know moving like joh wants to rock in his hands
Speaker 6: and want he wants to have the keys and be in.
Speaker 6: Charge and so they're going back to a more pick
Speaker 6: and roll based, offense you, know which obviously is more
Speaker 6: in line with everybody. Else in THE. Nba you. Know
Speaker 6: the interesting thing about, it, though is The grizzlies are you,
Speaker 6: know when they made the, firings were the six ranks
Speaker 6: offense in THE, nba and they had started to incorporate
Speaker 6: more of the pick and roll, stuff which is kind
Speaker 6: of a way to try to Appease jaw in the first.
Speaker 6: Place but the other thing Is joe is a mediocre
Speaker 6: pick and roll. Player over the course of his. Career
Speaker 6: points per possession when there's a pick and roll For
Speaker 6: jah zero point ninety, nine the ranks thirty ninth out
Speaker 6: of fifty six skys who have had at least five
Speaker 6: thousand ball screen set forms since he started his. Career,
Speaker 6: like that's like the epitome of. Media.
Speaker 1: OK i was shocked to read, that BECAUSE i think
Speaker 1: the assumption is he's so impossible with his with the
Speaker 1: ball in his, hands whether IT'S iso or whether it's
Speaker 1: with the assistance of a, screen that you would just, think,
Speaker 1: Dude John moran Being John moran is one of the
Speaker 1: elite scores off the ball screen in THE. NBA i
Speaker 1: was surprised to read that.
Speaker 6: Today, Well John moran is absolutely one of the best
Speaker 6: transition players that may be the. BEST i, MEAN i
Speaker 6: guess you, know we could talk About johannis with some other,
Speaker 6: guys But John moran pushing the. Pace Jam moran in
Speaker 6: the open floor is without question one of the best,
Speaker 6: players one of the best offensive threats in THE. Nba you,
Speaker 6: know sometimes THE iso, Stuff, well If john can get,
Speaker 6: downhill there's no doubt he's. Awesome but pick and, roll, like,
Speaker 6: dude you're just going to go under the screen on,
Speaker 6: Him like If john's going to step in the jump
Speaker 6: shots playing pick and. Roll you live with that all day.
Speaker 6: Long and so when you can just go under a
Speaker 6: screen kind of, guy it makes it a lot easier
Speaker 6: to defend.
Speaker 1: Them so BEFORE i set you Lose, Tim, actually, no two. Questions,
Speaker 1: First Alex jensen of, course and you haad coach Of
Speaker 1: utah men's basketball is going to finish out the season
Speaker 1: with The Dallas mavericks In for a, MINUTE i thought
Speaker 1: that meant at the end of the regular, season are
Speaker 1: they going to be in the play? In how long
Speaker 1: Is alex going to be With? Dallas how long is
Speaker 1: this season gonna?
Speaker 6: Last, well they'll be in the playing because The suns are.
Speaker 6: SMOKED i don't know. That Kevin DURANT tm were playing
Speaker 6: in another, second and The sun's, UNIFORM i. CAN'T i mean, that,
Speaker 6: unfortunately was a very ugly role of the. Ankle the
Speaker 6: thing rolled all the way. OVER i just can't imagine
Speaker 6: it's coming back this. Season and obviously the anticipation is
Speaker 6: he's likely to get traded this, summer and you know,
Speaker 6: so and The sun's scheduled down the stretch is. BRUTAL
Speaker 6: i just can't imagine The. Suns are you going to catch?
Speaker 6: Them and, look the manis right, now we're sitting in
Speaker 6: the ninth. Place The kings are falling apart. Too SO
Speaker 6: i think The mavericks are a playing. Team they might
Speaker 6: even host the first playing. Game you, KNOW i will
Speaker 6: be shocked if they actually make it out of the play.
Speaker 6: In i'll be shocked if they because that would mean
Speaker 6: BEATING i, mean, hell it might end up Being memphis
Speaker 6: Or Golden State clippers or The. Wolves it would be
Speaker 6: one of those four teams waiting in that and you,
Speaker 6: know the second, ROUND i guess you would call it
Speaker 6: the play. IN i, mean but it's the one game,
Speaker 6: thing so you never. Know The mattericks might mess around
Speaker 6: and stumble their way and again Their butts worked in
Speaker 6: the first round of the.
Speaker 1: Playoffs you're hearing anything about who could make a play
Speaker 1: For Taylor. Jenkins does he do A Quinn snyder sabbatical
Speaker 1: down In Costa rica before he coaches? Again what do
Speaker 1: you think that looks?
Speaker 6: Like, well obviously we've got to see which jobs open.
Speaker 6: UP i Think taylor is going to be top of
Speaker 6: the the list in terms of available coaches this. Summer you,
Speaker 6: know one, job frankly is anticipated to be open as
Speaker 6: The Phoenix. SUNS i think THAT i don't know that
Speaker 6: he will be a top candidate for that, one in
Speaker 6: particular simply because he is A bud, protege and to
Speaker 6: Fire butt and replace them of one his potegees might
Speaker 6: be a little bit of a weird transit to make all?
Speaker 1: Right ten BEFORE i said you lose so almost on
Speaker 1: a weekly, basis The Western conference topically has become Like,
Speaker 1: Okay Oklahoma city is historically. Awesome who can make them?
Speaker 1: Uncomfortable and over the past week and a, Half i've
Speaker 1: had more than a couple of guests actually offer Up.
Speaker 1: MINNESOTA i think we've heard a lot Of denver because
Speaker 1: of course they Have jokic and The lakers have those
Speaker 1: two dudes In Golden state has looked different Since Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Butler but if you hone in on The, timberwolves who
Speaker 1: probably are playing the best basketball they played all year,
Speaker 1: long what sort of ceiling do you think they present
Speaker 1: come playoff?
Speaker 6: Time, Yeah my thing with the Timber wolves is they
Speaker 6: have one massive. Flaw that is they are a bad clutch.
Speaker 6: Team and, frankly it's because of in large, part Because Anthony.
Speaker 6: Edwards you, know his basketball immaturity shows up in those
Speaker 6: moments where he just reverts to playing complete hero, Ball
Speaker 6: AND i just think it's really difficult to be a
Speaker 6: bad clutch team and to make a playoff him because
Speaker 6: obviously you're going to have to win close. Games except
Speaker 6: FOR i get the series last year against The nuggets
Speaker 6: where it was seven games of blowouts in each. Direction
Speaker 6: but their team that went to The Western conference finals
Speaker 6: last year obviously a little bit different Because cat's And
Speaker 6: alonger there and that trade. Happened you, know they are
Speaker 6: a team that can be one of the best defensive
Speaker 6: teams in the. League so you know you have to
Speaker 6: at least respect him as somebody that's not going to
Speaker 6: be an easy. OUT i. WOULD i would rank them
Speaker 6: pretty far down the list of real threats to The.
Speaker 6: Thunder but, look, man whether It's minnesota or The, clippers
Speaker 6: maybe even The warriors or The, grizzlies it's not like
Speaker 6: The thunder get some kind of lay up in the first. Round,
Speaker 6: no they.
Speaker 1: Don't they just continue to win at a really high.
Speaker 1: Clip all, right my, friend appreciate the time. Today have
Speaker 1: a great week wherever you're. Traveling do that safely and
Speaker 1: we'll chat.
Speaker 6: TOO i appreciate ch having Civic man.
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Speaker 1: McMahon all, right after a bunch of snow and cold
Speaker 1: weather this, morning it's trying to get a warm downtown cloud,
Speaker 1: coverage but still chilly For. April there's no doubt about.
Speaker 1: THAT rsl is back at action coming up this weekend
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Speaker 1: With pablo coming up in just a little. Bit he
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Speaker 1: lot of awesome things to discuss right. Now good stuff
Speaker 1: earlier From Tom Haber show And tim, McMahon but even
Speaker 1: though It's, April The Madison marsh continues The Final FOUR Us,
Speaker 1: here our next, guest our college basketball north Star Ken,
Speaker 1: pomeroy of, Course kenpalm dot. Com, Ken Happy, tuesday. Man
Speaker 1: how are we?
Speaker 3: Doing we're doing, Great. Spans how are?
Speaker 1: You i'm, well so have you been able to take
Speaker 1: a few deep? Breaths are you currently joining us from
Speaker 1: a beach with your feet kicked up in a little
Speaker 1: drink With? Bbrella? Like where you at right?
Speaker 3: Now i'm In, Calgary, Alberta.
Speaker 1: Canada it's not warm, There. Ken what are you doing?
Speaker 3: THERE i don't. KNOW i don't. Know it's hard to,
Speaker 3: explain but kind as far away from home AS i
Speaker 3: could as soon as the tournament.
Speaker 1: Started, Look i've got a brother in law From, Calgary.
Speaker 1: ALBERTA i went up there for the. Wedding it's a beautiful.
Speaker 1: Place but In. APRIL i, mean if we're dealing with
Speaker 1: snow and cold In Salt, lake what are you dealing
Speaker 1: with up In calgary right?
Speaker 3: Now it's the same. Thing it's almost the exact same.
Speaker 6: Thing but.
Speaker 3: Just Like Salt, LAKE i think in next week it's
Speaker 3: supposed to thaw out and spring will be here and
Speaker 3: So i'll still be. Here so that'll be. Awesome.
Speaker 1: KEN i hate to break it to, you BUT i
Speaker 1: have a feather in my cap as far as my
Speaker 1: college basketball career.
Speaker 5: That you do.
Speaker 1: Not are you ready for?
Speaker 3: It? Okay bring?
Speaker 1: It have you ever covered the college basketball crowd live
Speaker 1: In Las?
Speaker 3: Vegas? NO i mean, yeah there's only been one chance
Speaker 3: to do that so.
Speaker 1: Far so, Congratulations, Ken Pop more Like Spence palm dot.
Speaker 1: Com i'm gonna start my own website, OBVIOUSLY i. Kid
Speaker 1: do you have the context of the origin story for
Speaker 1: this postseason tournament That utah basketball was in for one
Speaker 1: game before losing To?
Speaker 3: Butler that the ordin? STORY i, MEAN i think that's
Speaker 3: just like A tv cash grab For fox.
Speaker 1: Right, yes BUT i wondered if somebody like you, knew, like, ultimately,
Speaker 1: hey why did this come? About we already have the
Speaker 1: N I t and THE, Cbi like maybe that's as
Speaker 1: simple as. THAT i thought maybe there was another side to.
Speaker 1: It but if you don't, Know, ken nobody.
Speaker 3: Knows, NO i, mean THE NI t is AN espn,
Speaker 3: property And fox wanted they wanted in on the you
Speaker 3: know massive SUB ncaa tournament demand you know that's out, There,
Speaker 3: spence and so they started their their own tournament With
Speaker 3: it was expected to be all teams from you, know
Speaker 3: their power leagues that they have under, contract but that
Speaker 3: didn't quite work. Out so they had to invite a
Speaker 3: you know a few of these interlopers Like, butlers but
Speaker 3: they had to Invite Boise state and Whether George washington was,
Speaker 3: there and there's like three or four of that seems but,
Speaker 3: yeah that's the, exciting that's the. STORY i, mean that's
Speaker 3: pretty much.
Speaker 6: All there is to.
Speaker 1: It, okay, well well let's just move on entirely, then
Speaker 1: and now that the season is in the, books we'll
Speaker 1: do some local stuff that we'll expand. Back now we'll
Speaker 1: expand back, to of, course the final four that's, ahead
Speaker 1: the tournament's taking. Place in some of your, takeaways And
Speaker 1: i'm going to just kind of give you a little.
Speaker 1: Context and this is just simply my. Opinion it's not
Speaker 1: coming from a place of. Sourcing it's not a situation
Speaker 1: that anybody has informed me that this will be the.
Speaker 1: Approach but you, know on the show When i've talked
Speaker 1: to you about another. Guest since the news came down
Speaker 1: That Mark carlin moved on From Craig smith And Alex
Speaker 1: jensen became the Higher we're just doing our best to
Speaker 1: figure out what this new era is going to look,
Speaker 1: like How alex is going to How alex is going
Speaker 1: to approach, it and whether It's Josh, eiler the interim
Speaker 1: head coach who took over After craig was, fired with
Speaker 1: twenty years of experience in The Big twelve as a
Speaker 1: player in college and a coach in, college or a
Speaker 1: guy Like Jake kallen Or Keanu does who had his
Speaker 1: fifth double double in seven games After josh kind of
Speaker 1: played him in a way That craig just. Didn't we're
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out who will be, back if,
Speaker 1: Anybody And i'm starting to get the Sense ken. DID
Speaker 1: i don't think anybody's coming. BACK i don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to make hires off this current assistant coach coaching
Speaker 1: staff that's left coaching the, team And i'm not sure
Speaker 1: he brings any of the players back. Either that's just my.
Speaker 1: Guest tell me what your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Are, YEAH i mean that would be my hunch as.
Speaker 3: WELL i don't have any less knowledge about. THIS i
Speaker 3: didn't about the college basketball, ground but the way the
Speaker 3: way you do business these, days when you bring in
Speaker 3: a new coaching staff or ringing a new coach to start,
Speaker 3: WITH i, mean they rarely pulled over. Assistance, occasionally you
Speaker 3: might get one who's willing to stay, over who might
Speaker 3: have some you, know special recruiting knowledge or something like.
Speaker 3: That or it might be a guy who's survived through
Speaker 3: multiple staffs and is a local. Institution but for the most,
Speaker 3: part the staff changes, over AND i mean, lately for
Speaker 3: the most, part the team change is, over you, know
Speaker 3: not not necessarily. Entirely Chare calhoun was able to convince you,
Speaker 3: know two or three key players to stay At Utah,
Speaker 3: state AND i was really important to. Him but you,
Speaker 3: Know Danny sprinkle and he was. There he started over
Speaker 3: the whole new team and that worked for him. Too
Speaker 3: and so, YEAH i WOULDN'T i wouldn't count on much
Speaker 3: of the roster as much as the eligible roster coming.
Speaker 3: BACK i, mean it does seem like you can certainly
Speaker 3: start over with the clean slate in this era of player.
Speaker 3: Movement but the flip side of that is, LIKE i
Speaker 3: don't know how much of a Honeymoon alex is gonna.
Speaker 3: GET i, mean he might get a little bit because
Speaker 3: He's Alex. Fenson but you, know if you come out
Speaker 3: and you, know end up at the bottom of the
Speaker 3: of The Big twelve next, year, like it's not going
Speaker 3: to be a ton of patience for. THAT i wouldn't
Speaker 3: think just because you can go out and get players
Speaker 3: now there is there's no there's no longer a rebuilding.
Speaker 3: Situation you don't need three gears to build a. Roster
Speaker 3: you need know one year to kind of show what
Speaker 3: you can do in the transfer.
Speaker 1: Portal let me ask you whether you have The Ken
Speaker 1: palm metric in front of you or The Ken palm
Speaker 1: eye test in front of. You are any of these?
Speaker 1: Players you? Know BECAUSE i keep reminding our audience and
Speaker 1: we forget, this and we even forget a little bit WITH,
Speaker 1: Byu we'll get TO byu in a. Moment by us
Speaker 1: to pick to finish ninth in The Big, Twelve utah
Speaker 1: was picked to finish. Last so for a team that
Speaker 1: was picked to finish, last at least they didn't do.
Speaker 1: THAT i, MEAN i guess that's where we're. At with
Speaker 1: the basketball program around here In Salt Lake, city so
Speaker 1: they did overshoot. Expectations but based off of the knowledge
Speaker 1: you have of this roster and the games that you,
Speaker 1: watched are there players eligible to come back that you
Speaker 1: Think alex should go?
Speaker 3: After, WELL i guess i'd frame it like, that like,
Speaker 3: yeah like as are all. Stars he's A big twelve quality.
Speaker 3: PLAYER i don't, know like a starter, LEVEL i don't,
Speaker 3: know but like he he could be on a roster
Speaker 3: at Other big twelve schools like Shrad johns can can
Speaker 3: play a.
Speaker 6: Role after, that.
Speaker 3: You, know you're kind of, struggling like Can New DAWs
Speaker 3: can play a, Role like a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: can can play a, role but pretty easily. Replaceable advantage
Speaker 3: of keeping them normally would, be like you do want
Speaker 3: continuity in your, Program like you want guys that have
Speaker 3: been through the system, before and you don't have to you,
Speaker 3: know piech a whole brand new group of ten. Guys
Speaker 3: you know how you want to play the. Game but
Speaker 3: obviously that's not a factor here because you know you
Speaker 3: have a new coach and so you know you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to teach everybody a new system, Anyway so from that,
Speaker 3: standpoint there's not going to be a lot of incentive
Speaker 3: to bring back role. Players but you, know he somehow
Speaker 3: could to Mental sorr to come. BACK i think that
Speaker 3: would be of some, value you, Know but certainly this
Speaker 3: roster is can just be heavily populated from from.
Speaker 1: Transfer, yeah for, sure for, sure. Don't only time will.
Speaker 1: TELL i Think alex is indicated both publicly and privately
Speaker 1: that he is in no rush. Here he's going to
Speaker 1: take his time building this. Thing and he is still
Speaker 1: coaching Alongside Jason kidd and The Dallas mavericks who look
Speaker 1: like there actually will be in the play in Because
Speaker 1: phoenix is, unserious So alex won't be on the. Ground you,
Speaker 1: know he's obviously his. Working he's made two HighRes Wes
Speaker 1: wilcox And Raphael. Chilius but you, know the rest of
Speaker 1: the stuff is going to take, time and it makes
Speaker 1: it impossible to analyze Who utah will be next year
Speaker 1: because we don't know who's going to play for. Them
Speaker 1: but let me ask you a question about The big,
Speaker 1: twelve because you read about Apparently kansas has a stacked recruiting.
Speaker 1: Class houston's going to be awesome. Again B yu brings
Speaker 1: in De. Banza i'm not going to tell you That i've, Got,
Speaker 1: LIKE i can't tell you WHO ucf is going. AFTER
Speaker 1: i haven't done a deep dive on all, this but
Speaker 1: this was not a conference that was the best team
Speaker 1: in college basketball this year that went to the THE.
Speaker 1: Sec but year and year, out The Big twelve is
Speaker 1: going to, be if not at the, top close to the.
Speaker 1: Top so what's ken expectation conference? Wide how strong will
Speaker 1: this conference be next year when alex is trying to
Speaker 1: make his way.
Speaker 3: Through year, One it'll still Be it'll be very difficult
Speaker 3: at the. Top like you mentioned the key. Players you
Speaker 3: can Throw arizona in, there you can Throw baylor in,
Speaker 3: there and they picked up a pretty nice transfer From
Speaker 3: Oregon state this. Week so all the all the teams you,
Speaker 3: mentioned except for PROBABLY ucf will still be you, know outstanding.
Speaker 3: TEAMS i think the one, thing you, know the one
Speaker 3: one of the reasons utahisticked last in the league was
Speaker 3: partly because not much was expected from, them but also
Speaker 3: because there it wasn't obvious like who the worst team
Speaker 3: would be in the, League like all the teams were were.
Speaker 3: Decent you, know there wasn't a team that you look
Speaker 3: at and, like, oh, yeah that's that's gonna be an easy,
Speaker 3: win and it'll probably be the case again next. YEAR i,
Speaker 3: MEAN i THINK i think this year was somewhat of
Speaker 3: an aberration with THE sec being as strong as it,
Speaker 3: was but certainly the top three, leagues you, know THE,
Speaker 3: sec The big twelve To big. TEN i, mean what
Speaker 3: we're seeing from those three leagues is that almost every
Speaker 3: team in all those leagues has some, talent and so
Speaker 3: there are so on the one, hand when you're picked
Speaker 3: last in the, league, yeah you can. Overachieve like there's
Speaker 3: probably like seven or eight candidates heading into this last
Speaker 3: season that you know could have been picked last for
Speaker 3: the league and you thought did overachieved to some. Extent
Speaker 3: the negative is that learn an easy wins out. There
Speaker 3: so if, SOMEHOW i, mean it's great that the alex
Speaker 3: is taking its, time AND I i guess in some
Speaker 3: RESPECT i admire that he was able to work out
Speaker 3: this relationship where he could finish things out with The
Speaker 3: mavericks and somehow still be the head coach At. Utah
Speaker 3: but you, know he's still on the trigger to fill
Speaker 3: out a, roster and it doesn't take long before a
Speaker 3: lot of these you, know attractive transfers are. Gone, YEAH i,
Speaker 3: COULD i would be a little bit concerned about how
Speaker 3: next year is going to.
Speaker 1: Go, yeah you, know trying to talk realistically to you
Speaker 1: fans about year. ONE i think it's important because expectations
Speaker 1: knew need to be set. Appropriately but to your, point
Speaker 1: can BECAUSE i used to, SAY i can remember WHEN,
Speaker 1: byu When Broncko manahall LEFT byu For virginia and most
Speaker 1: anybody that understood what could come next landing On coloni rather,
Speaker 1: Quickly And i've talked about this With Larry, Scoviak Jim. Boylan,
Speaker 1: coaches typically the narrative is in college's, like all, right
Speaker 1: they need four, years give them four, years because that
Speaker 1: way they get their recruiting cycle in over a four year.
Speaker 1: Period and sometimes here it's even more complicated because you
Speaker 1: have the mission stuff and sometimes you need more than
Speaker 1: that to let you, know recruits that you dialed in
Speaker 1: when they were seventeen or eighteen that serve a, mission
Speaker 1: you need an extra couple of years then to get
Speaker 1: back so you can see what sort of hand they've been.
Speaker 1: Dealt what Is what is your take on how long
Speaker 1: a coach needs now in order to prove to a
Speaker 1: community that he was the right hire because you don't
Speaker 1: to your, point you don't need three or four years
Speaker 1: anymore to develop a program and build a.
Speaker 3: Team, YEAH i look at this during the season in terms,
Speaker 3: of you, know what happens really in year one relatives
Speaker 3: to like, expectation there are coaches.
Speaker 6: That do not meet.
Speaker 3: Expectations can you write them off? Immediately and there was
Speaker 3: actually a parent amount of predictability, there like you can't
Speaker 3: completely write them off if they. Don't and SO i,
Speaker 3: guess like relative to, expectations like you thought the expectation
Speaker 3: coming to this next, SEASON i, mean you know it's
Speaker 3: gonna be bottom quarter of the of the. Conference but
Speaker 3: if they were to end up, ranked say one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixtieth in my, ratings you know they'll probably like pre,
Speaker 3: season let's say, eightieth they end up like one hundred and,
Speaker 3: sixtieth that would be that would be a pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Sign like not you, know not so much that you're
Speaker 3: going to fire a guy after one, year but there
Speaker 3: are reasons for concern at that. Point and again it's
Speaker 3: not true for. Everyone you can find rare one offs
Speaker 3: for guys flip it in year two and over achieve after,
Speaker 3: that and it's not really clear like what the transfer portal,
Speaker 3: era how that changes this. Dynamic but certainly if you
Speaker 3: under achieve, early not a Great if you over receive,
Speaker 3: early probably a really good. Sign so you don't want
Speaker 3: to put the heat on a guy in year. One
Speaker 3: but at the same, time history would tell you that,
Speaker 3: actually like you, can you can learn a lot about
Speaker 3: a guy in their first, year.
Speaker 1: And you can learn a lot about coaching, styles, Right
Speaker 1: LIKE i do think it's fair to say to youth
Speaker 1: fans curious to know what this will look like Under
Speaker 1: alex that, well number, one you have to have. Horses
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a great coach without great. Players,
Speaker 1: okay so That's alex's first, task and the transfer portal is.
Speaker 1: Open we've already seen big names sign and big names
Speaker 1: transfer and. Decide but what do you anticipate based off
Speaker 1: of your knowledge Of alex in his time with The,
Speaker 1: jazz in a couple of years With, dallas and of
Speaker 1: course being a, pedigree, uh you, know a PROTEGES i
Speaker 1: should say Of rick majeris what, schematically conceptually do you
Speaker 1: think the type of Coach alex will be for youth
Speaker 1: fans to kind of expect next.
Speaker 3: YEAR i, mean that's a great, question and it's somewhat
Speaker 3: of a mystery BECAUSE i think until you are fully
Speaker 3: in charge of running a program or running a, team
Speaker 3: you never really know what a guy's gonna. DO i
Speaker 3: would HAVE i would, imagine, yeah it's really, Odest LIKE
Speaker 3: i would imagine he's like heavily into the time Of,
Speaker 3: Jaris like that would that would standard. Reason The jarish
Speaker 3: style really like cuts against the grain of what you,
Speaker 3: know most young coaches are are doing these. Days like
Speaker 3: The jarrifs was very much, about you, know controlling the
Speaker 3: tempo and preventing. TRANSITION i mean that was like probably
Speaker 3: his you know One hallmark was, like he's not going
Speaker 3: to give up transition, buckets and so he didn't really
Speaker 3: attack the offensive. Class offensive possessions took a long. Time
Speaker 3: defensive possessions took even. Longer hard to really hard to
Speaker 3: really have a super successful offense if you're not willing
Speaker 3: to take shots early in the shot, clock if you're
Speaker 3: not willing to take a lot of three, pointers and
Speaker 3: so you'd have to, think you, know THE nba experience
Speaker 3: Of Alex jnsen would alter that somewhat like obviously you
Speaker 3: know some of Those jazz teams he was on the
Speaker 3: bench floor took a ton of three, pointers and so
Speaker 3: he should be comfortable with. That SO i don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what he's gonna still hold over, from you, know
Speaker 3: playing for and coaching Under, majeris and you know what
Speaker 3: he's gonna bring with him from THE, nba but hopefully
Speaker 3: it is more of the latter outside than the.
Speaker 1: Former All, right moving over now to B yu before
Speaker 1: we get to what could be next for, them because
Speaker 1: you know if you'd fit and, look It's i'm always
Speaker 1: careful WHEN i try to try to draw these, parallels
Speaker 1: but it only takes one big time commit and recruit
Speaker 1: to put your program on the. Retrojectory because when a
Speaker 1: player Like ajed De banta decides to play for you
Speaker 1: and announces that on first, TAKE i ultimately immediately ups
Speaker 1: the visibility of your, program and other players want to
Speaker 1: play for you and with aj and by using the
Speaker 1: mix with some other. Is but before we get, there
Speaker 1: my question with The alabama game is, simple because it
Speaker 1: was you who brought up the dynamic Of Brigham young's
Speaker 1: lack of three point. Defense you know that was a
Speaker 1: metric you had that indicated They're they're not just, bad
Speaker 1: they're one of the worst teams in college. Basketball so
Speaker 1: Did alabama make shots at a historic level or DID
Speaker 1: byu fail guarding the three point line or somewhere in.
Speaker 3: Between, YEAH i mean all those factors came into. Play
Speaker 3: it was kind of stunning because, obviously how how you
Speaker 3: defend the three point line is is a choice that
Speaker 3: you can make game by. Game you don't have to
Speaker 3: do the same thing every. GAME i, mean, YEAH byu
Speaker 3: had this long. Trend they actually finished the season fourteenth
Speaker 3: in terms of fourteenth highest in terms of the amount
Speaker 3: of three pointers they, Allowed and so obviously that came
Speaker 3: into play in this. Game that, said, Like alabama also
Speaker 3: was just unrealistically hot for the entire. GAME i, mean
Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with allowing a lot of three point of. Times, so,
Speaker 3: like in, general it's kind of a sort of a
Speaker 3: sort of a stylistic. Choice and we've seen really good,
Speaker 3: Coaches Jim bayhein perhaps most, notably you, know play a
Speaker 3: style of defense that allows. That it's just a little
Speaker 3: bit different when you Allow alabama to do. That because
Speaker 3: they're so willing to take shots early in the shot,
Speaker 3: clock they're willing to take shots from three or four
Speaker 3: feet beyond the three point. Line you, know they have
Speaker 3: four or five guys on the court that are all
Speaker 3: willing to shoot. It so, YEAH i mean it was
Speaker 3: it was certainly there's something a choice that what you,
Speaker 3: made and it could have worked out like they you,
Speaker 3: KNOW i really actually thought even in the second half
Speaker 3: that Like alabama was eventually going to go on a
Speaker 3: run where they missed like ten in a row or
Speaker 3: something and by you would get back in the, game
Speaker 3: and it just it just never. Happened it just seemed
Speaker 3: like this YEAR'S yu team is a little more capable
Speaker 3: of instead of relying on kind of a gimmick and you,
Speaker 3: know forcing their opponent or allowing their opponents to take
Speaker 3: fifty three. Pointers you, know they could play more straight,
Speaker 3: up more aggressive. Defense you, know they have a little
Speaker 3: bit of rim protection in the, middle so that if
Speaker 3: you Forced Mark seriers are driving the paint like you're
Speaker 3: not necessarily you, know just going to give up an
Speaker 3: easy bucket to. Somebody so, yeah, OVERALL i thought it
Speaker 3: was just a little. Puzzling there was never really an
Speaker 3: adjustment made.
Speaker 1: There and on the other, Side alabama sold out to
Speaker 1: take away the, three And by you still continue to
Speaker 1: hunt for the three because they were getting their asses.
Speaker 1: Kick you got to get back in the. GAME i
Speaker 1: get that six of thirty from three to twenty. Percent
Speaker 1: And fos played seven minutes and in the seven minutes he,
Speaker 1: played he went three of. Four he had nine points four.
Speaker 1: Rebounds like you AND i discussed, This one of the
Speaker 1: things THAT i thought that made THIS byu team different
Speaker 1: and a little bit more potent and dangerous than the
Speaker 1: one a year ago that went to the tournament also
Speaker 1: as a sixth, seed IF i remember, correctly was their
Speaker 1: ability to beat in different. Ways what do you make
Speaker 1: of what they did or did not do offensively to
Speaker 1: counter What alabama took away from, them which was selling
Speaker 1: out the.
Speaker 3: Three, yeah, ultimately you. CAN'T i don't think you can
Speaker 3: Fall by's offense too. Much they finished up the night
Speaker 3: scoring one point one points per, posession which is a
Speaker 3: little above the national, average and you, know against the
Speaker 3: top LEVEL sec team is pretty. IMPRESSIVE i, mean, really
Speaker 3: you don't have to overcomplicate too, much like they put
Speaker 3: eighty eight points on the, board like you should be
Speaker 3: In you should be in the game if you're scoring
Speaker 3: eighty eight. POINTS i, mean you should be winning the, game,
Speaker 3: really but at least be in the, game and they
Speaker 3: weren't even close to, that which is just. Stunning SO
Speaker 3: i think you got just about everything you could get
Speaker 3: from the. Offense obviously they could have stopped the three,
Speaker 3: better but we've talked about this, Too like the thing
Speaker 3: that made THE yu offense so good this year was
Speaker 3: that they could survive without making three point. Shots, like
Speaker 3: when they made three point, shots they were explosive and
Speaker 3: they could beat just about. Anybody but even when they
Speaker 3: weren't making, threes they were one of the best two
Speaker 3: point shooting teams in the, country number twenty seven to
Speaker 3: forty two on two point shots Against, Alabama SO i
Speaker 3: would guess that's the best performance on two pointers That
Speaker 3: alabama allowed all. Season so, yeah the offense was was.
Speaker 3: FINE i do. SHARE i share your bewilderment, about you,
Speaker 3: Know foos not getting more. MINUTES i think that was
Speaker 3: it was always the story of his. CAREER i mean
Speaker 3: it was whether It's Kevin young Or Mark. Pope it
Speaker 3: was like he would always put up pretty good numbers
Speaker 3: for the minutes that he. Played AND i realized he
Speaker 3: was kind of an unorthodox, player BUT i always felt
Speaker 3: like he was, clearly you, know a big twelve level type.
Speaker 3: Player and, yeah it's kind of a shame you never
Speaker 3: really got, TO i guess, play you, know be the the,
Speaker 3: man be the starting, center and play twenty five thirty
Speaker 3: minutes a. Game he never really got that opportunity in his.
Speaker 1: Career so it's clear that year one Under Kevin, young
Speaker 1: proof of concept is, there and it worked and they
Speaker 1: had a good. Year but it's also clear that it's
Speaker 1: not JUST. Byu because one of the other things that
Speaker 1: you talked about on the show as we were helping
Speaker 1: people fill out their brackets is, hey the top seeds
Speaker 1: and here we are with four and we'll get there
Speaker 1: four seeds in the final. Four, Now so it wasn't JUST.
Speaker 1: Byu but there are levels to this. Stuff and WHEN
Speaker 1: byu ran up against you, know one of the top
Speaker 1: one or two seeds in this, tournament whether it Was
Speaker 1: houston in the regular season Or alabama in the, tournament
Speaker 1: it was clear that there was a gap and there
Speaker 1: are there are levels to this and there are different
Speaker 1: types of styles and teams and bigger teams and faster
Speaker 1: teams and stronger. Teams so with The bans coming in
Speaker 1: and potentially getting the bulk of this roster, Back Cannon
Speaker 1: catchings is at the transfer. PORTAL i Think iegor is.
Speaker 1: LEAVING i JUST i think he. SHOULD i thought he
Speaker 1: had a GREAT ncaa tournament. Run most of the mock
Speaker 1: DRAFTS i see indicate that he is a lottery. Pick
Speaker 1: how DOES byu close the gap to go from a
Speaker 1: really good team that made A sweet sixteen run to
Speaker 1: a team that doesn't look like they are A jv
Speaker 1: team against The houston Or.
Speaker 3: Alabama, YEAH i think THEY'RE i think they're. CLOSE i
Speaker 3: MEAN i really think it was a step forward this,
Speaker 3: year you, know just getting to The sweet sixteen in
Speaker 3: the first, place with some of the wins they had
Speaker 3: and dig twelve. Play, ALSO i think we're pretty impressive
Speaker 3: and demonstrated that they've they've taken a step. FORWARD i
Speaker 3: mean we've talked about the offense not just being a
Speaker 3: one trick pony in terms of three point, shooting but
Speaker 3: able to score uh in the paint as. WELL i,
Speaker 3: mean the offense was, just you, know super fun to.
Speaker 3: Watch AND i mean one guy WHO i thought had
Speaker 3: a great. TOURNAMENT i Mean devin was, fine but Like Richie,
Speaker 3: SAUNDERS i, mean to, me he looked like he was
Speaker 3: the one guy in That alabama. Game they really looked
Speaker 3: like he, belonged you, know y on both sides of the.
Speaker 3: Court so so, YEAH i think there should be a
Speaker 3: lot of, Optimism like you're not gonna probably get this
Speaker 3: whole roster, back but if you get the main pieces, back,
Speaker 3: yeah it's. UH i think there's reasons reasons for. Optimism you,
Speaker 3: know you're always gonna. Focus, yeah you can focus on
Speaker 3: Those houston. Games you can focus on The alabama. GAME
Speaker 3: i Mean, houston they were like probably won't not be
Speaker 3: remembered way but one loss and dig twelve, play you,
Speaker 3: know really an historically good, team you, know in the
Speaker 3: modern era of guys going pro and massive player. MOVEMENT i,
Speaker 3: mean this is a historically good team that unfortunately also
Speaker 3: has to play a historically good team against you, know
Speaker 3: in the final. Four so, again they might not be
Speaker 3: remembered for, that BUT i wouldn't take those losses too. Hard, like,
Speaker 3: YEAH ba is not a top five team in the.
Speaker 3: Country we get it, There they're in that twenty to thirty,
Speaker 3: Range but that's a tremendous step, forward AND i think,
Speaker 3: again you keep that, right you, know keep this roster
Speaker 3: bring in To, bonsa especially with a veteran roster Like,
Speaker 3: YEAH i THINK i think next year could be pretty very.
Speaker 3: Promising not a top five, team but you, know if
Speaker 3: they're in that ten to fifteen, range that's you.
Speaker 6: Know it's gonna be one of the best.
Speaker 3: Teams i've ever.
Speaker 1: Had final four gets rolling On saturday and you you called. It,
Speaker 1: YEAH i can remember you saying, that like there's a
Speaker 1: gap between the top teams and everybody. Else was it
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight the last time this has. Happened
Speaker 1: we have all four number one seeds in the, tournament
Speaker 1: which for people like me that picked up sets because you,
Speaker 1: Know i've watched the tournament, before it's not great for our.
Speaker 1: Brackets BUT i think we've got two absolute dog fight basketball.
Speaker 1: Games so what's the ken pob take for number one?
Speaker 1: Seeds and how do you see the rest of the
Speaker 1: thing plan out? With who do you?
Speaker 3: Like, YEAH i, mean it's just it hasn't been much
Speaker 3: interesting tournament and we're being, honest like not very few.
Speaker 3: UPSETS i, MEAN i think the biggest upset at the
Speaker 3: tournament was What arkansas are Geting Saint, john's which you,
Speaker 3: know hard to. Paint John calipari is some sort of
Speaker 3: underdog or Sympathetic cinderella. Figure so there's been, that and
Speaker 3: then most of the a lot of the games just
Speaker 3: haven't been. Closed it'd be one thing if you didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of upsets and there were a lot
Speaker 3: of close, games but they really haven't been that many close,
Speaker 3: games and that kind of speaks to the way the
Speaker 3: regular season, unfolded especially for these really top four to.
Speaker 3: Eighteens is certainly the top four, team so so hopefully
Speaker 3: we get a little more drama in the final. Four
Speaker 3: it's interesting that The Duke houston game is the second
Speaker 3: game in the lineup On. SATURDAY i, mean that is
Speaker 3: going to be a difficult game to. WATCH i Fear
Speaker 3: houston first of, all just to you, know play an
Speaker 3: exceptionally slow pace on both sides of the, ball and
Speaker 3: you got a taste of that really in their last two,
Speaker 3: games but certainly in The sweet sixteen game Against, perdue
Speaker 3: which ends, up you, know being one of those close.
Speaker 3: Games it did come down to the, wire but also
Speaker 3: it was just a, brutal you, know fifty seven possession
Speaker 3: grind with a final score of sixty two to Sixty
Speaker 3: that kind of takes you back to like pre shot
Speaker 3: clock era, basketball you, know not the way college basketball
Speaker 3: wants to be viewed at this. POINT i fear The
Speaker 3: Duke houston game is going to be the same. Way
Speaker 3: it's going to be very. Physical duke a little more modern.
Speaker 3: Offense they will push the pace a, little but their
Speaker 3: defense is forced the longest possessions of any team in
Speaker 3: the country this, year and he saw a little taste
Speaker 3: of that Against. Allabamba not that that was a slow paced,
Speaker 3: game but you did hear the shot clock buzzer go
Speaker 3: off a few times for The Crimson, tide which was
Speaker 3: something that would have, been you, know unthinkable in THE yu.
Speaker 3: Game so do gets a way to grind it out
Speaker 3: defensively as, Well so that's you, KNOW i, Mean clear
Speaker 3: has a clear, advantage you, know just more talent pretty
Speaker 3: much one through. Seven but it's gonna be extremely, physical
Speaker 3: AND i fear a low scoring. Games so it's gonna
Speaker 3: be hard to imagine due getting the kind of separation
Speaker 3: Against houston that they got Against.
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Speaker 1: with the way my mind. WORKS i have not moved
Speaker 1: off our opening, topic And i'm just wondering why you're.
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Speaker 3: Related you're getting, Warmer you're getting, warmer so then.
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Speaker 1: Go well you needed to fill out the. Bracket, okay
Speaker 1: when you're back in, STUDIO i have a lot of
Speaker 1: off air questions about your, trip but for Now i'll
Speaker 1: set you loose and say thanks for the.
Speaker 3: Time all, right you Bet, spence thanks for hatting me.
Speaker 1: On we are kicking it back live in studio here
Speaker 1: in Downtown Salt Lake, City, utah after our quick foray
Speaker 1: To Las vegas for the show yesterday for The utah
Speaker 1: men's basketball experience and The College Basketball, crown which only
Speaker 1: lasted one. Game we'll switch gears, now we'll do a
Speaker 1: little soccer on A tuesday afternoon WITH rsl taking on
Speaker 1: The galaxy coming up On, saturday two thirty Pm Mountain.
Speaker 1: Kick that's a nice little afternoon start. Time and the
Speaker 1: head coach OF, rsl what's going, on? Dude are you
Speaker 1: drawing the short this short straw every? Week are they
Speaker 1: making you come on and talk to? Me because nobody
Speaker 1: else wants to discuss this.
Speaker 7: STUFF i don't, know but now that you say, that,
Speaker 7: no it's, uh it's a part of the, gig, man it's. Great,
Speaker 7: yeah we'll talk and and have some good discourse over
Speaker 7: some of the things that's going. On AND i got
Speaker 7: SOME i got some good background to all the things
Speaker 7: That i'm sure you want to.
Speaker 1: Know all, Right, well that's good stuff, because, uh you
Speaker 1: know the background THAT rsl fans are wondering. About are
Speaker 1: these players that apparently are on the way to help you.
Speaker 1: Out and you, know every TIME i have these, conversations it's.
Speaker 1: DIFFERENT i approach you differently If i'm talking To kurt
Speaker 1: Or jason Or tony or you because you're the, coach
Speaker 1: and it's technically not your, job but you're the one
Speaker 1: that feels to me is behind the eight ball because
Speaker 1: of the lack of talent in the. Attack that's just my.
Speaker 1: Opinion where are we, At? Pablo what are these players
Speaker 1: going to be on the?
Speaker 7: Ground, yeah so, Again, SPENCE i WISH i had some
Speaker 7: better news for you as far as definitive, answers but
Speaker 7: BUT i. Don't you, know we looked at another another player,
Speaker 7: yesterday and again these. Things the great thing, is there's
Speaker 7: so many things That i've said this before that that
Speaker 7: have to. Align and and so even when if we
Speaker 7: close the, deal it's still going to be another month.
Speaker 7: Away and so like to your point about you know
Speaker 7: that that's not my. REMIT i got to constantly figure
Speaker 7: out different ways to do, that you. Know and and
Speaker 7: so you, know so if you're if the tip of
Speaker 7: your spear isn't isn't the sharpest, right and you're not
Speaker 7: able to score the goals that that you need to win,
Speaker 7: games and then What i'm saying is we just got
Speaker 7: to get better on the defensive. End but it's a
Speaker 7: it's a catch twenty, two, right because if you do
Speaker 7: concede first then the hope and the confidence of the
Speaker 7: group dwindles because they know that the tip of the
Speaker 7: spear isn't isn't the sharpest, Right and so it's it's
Speaker 7: constantly and and deal and just managing emotions and, saying,
Speaker 7: okay this is that we we just got to get
Speaker 7: back to compete in the right way and defending our
Speaker 7: box the right, way and, hopefully if we if we
Speaker 7: get some results with with a great mindset and defending the,
Speaker 7: box when the tip of the spear finally, arrives we're
Speaker 7: going to be. Flying and so that's the Way i'm
Speaker 7: processing all, this because the truth IS i don't know
Speaker 7: when it's going to, happen and there's a chance if it,
Speaker 7: happens but this is a situation that we're currently in
Speaker 7: and we got to do the best we can and
Speaker 7: put our heads together to find a solution in the.
Speaker 1: Interim so you just referenced something THAT i find really.
Speaker 1: Interesting and because this is a complicated, thing no part
Speaker 1: of me would want to put you in a position
Speaker 1: where you're talking poorly about your locker room and the
Speaker 1: group that you have to. COACH i, mean the players
Speaker 1: that you have at your disposal are the ones you
Speaker 1: have to, maximize but you reference when the group knows
Speaker 1: the tip of the spear isn't very sharp when you
Speaker 1: go down a, man or excuse, me when you go
Speaker 1: down a. Goal, WELL i guess a couple of games
Speaker 1: ago you go down a, Man but when you go
Speaker 1: down a, goal it feels almost insurmountable because the group
Speaker 1: knows that the potency isn't there in? Attack is the
Speaker 1: confidence of the group taking a? Hit do they realize
Speaker 1: that the solutions that you have up top right now
Speaker 1: are not the right ones given the results so?
Speaker 3: Far, yeah you, know.
Speaker 7: And again it's, yes, LISTEN i think you. Know soccer,
Speaker 7: players you, know are some of the smartest workforces in
Speaker 7: in sports only because they're so well traveled and they
Speaker 7: they see life from a different, perspective so like everyone
Speaker 7: is real privy to. It and the other part of that,
Speaker 7: is you, know the guys that we do have up
Speaker 7: top are twenty twenty one and twenty years, old, right
Speaker 7: and so, like it's not fair to those guys who
Speaker 7: would typically thrive if there was there was an experienced
Speaker 7: player that had accomplished a. Lot that's when players do
Speaker 7: their best learning right when their peers are these examples.
Speaker 3: For them to.
Speaker 7: Follow but putting the burden on twenty year old and
Speaker 7: a twenty one year old guys that are just cutting
Speaker 7: their teeth in the professional game isn't fair. Either and
Speaker 7: that's why i'm that's why i'm you, know sit with
Speaker 7: the leadership of today and, say we've just got to find. Solutions,
Speaker 7: Right we've got to take the brunt of the. Responsibility
Speaker 7: and OBVIOUSLY i THINK i think most of that, right
Speaker 7: and we've got to, like we've got to look at this.
Speaker 7: Differently and so, again if, if, if if you're struggling
Speaker 7: in the, attack then you've got to fortify the. Defense
Speaker 7: and that's got to be our mantra to get us
Speaker 7: through because, again if we go into halftime at zero,
Speaker 7: zero again there's set pieces that you, know We gego
Speaker 7: And diego are capable of scoring, goals but obviously that's
Speaker 7: not they're a strong point. Either they're they're more goal
Speaker 7: facilitators in the are goal. Scorers so we we've got
Speaker 7: to find a way through committee and through managing the
Speaker 7: game the right way and have a collective understanding that
Speaker 7: we've got to get to halftime zero zero and if
Speaker 7: we're up one. Zero that's that's a. Bonus but we've
Speaker 7: got to get there zero. Zero so now we can
Speaker 7: start to like really grind these teams, down create pressure
Speaker 7: through our possession and find the way into the. Net
Speaker 7: so that's that's the way we're talking about it, internally
Speaker 7: and you, know just meeting with the leadership, group you,
Speaker 7: know once a week and making sure that we readjust
Speaker 7: our focus on not what we don't, have but what
Speaker 7: we can be really good at in the strength of our.
Speaker 1: Group all, right one more question in this, space then
Speaker 1: we'll move, on because you, know at some point we
Speaker 1: have to talk about what we're dealing, with what's in
Speaker 1: front of. Us as you, know that's all you can
Speaker 1: all you can actually deal. With But i'm gonna list
Speaker 1: it MAN K Kurt, Schmidt jason Christ Tony, Beltran Pablo,
Speaker 1: mastuenni an unnamed, source little birdie cute little, bird very small.
Speaker 1: BIRD i can't tell you, who but it seems like
Speaker 1: everybody over there has told me over the past month
Speaker 1: like we are a few days away from getting this
Speaker 1: stuff across the. Line and you know, this but for our,
Speaker 1: listeners the primary transfer window closes three weeks From, thursday
Speaker 1: three weeks From, Thursday so like we've got to stop messing.
Speaker 1: Around to your, point like you can have the idea
Speaker 1: of bringing this player into that player and then something
Speaker 1: gets in the way and it's two or three weeks. Later, Well,
Speaker 1: pablo if it's two or three weeks, later now it's
Speaker 1: not happening until the. Summer so have you been given
Speaker 1: any sort of an assurance that at, least you, know
Speaker 1: within this window Before april twenty third comes and, goes
Speaker 1: you will have better talent your disposal to.
Speaker 7: Coach, yes but again until until it's, Arrived, spence you,
Speaker 7: know it's just there's just no, guarantees, right there's just no,
Speaker 7: guarantees and there's different mechanisms that you, know we can
Speaker 7: go internally within the league and find you, know a
Speaker 7: proven goal, scorer you, know and and, again and the
Speaker 7: one THING i will promise is when this goal scorer does,
Speaker 7: arrive when this it's going to take the pressure off.
Speaker 7: Everyone and now you can have everyone playing with a
Speaker 7: sense of freedom and and and and players playing authentic
Speaker 7: to where to who they. Are you, KNOW i think
Speaker 7: in this, moment you, know sometimes you, Know Diego luna
Speaker 7: is trying to do too much to make the game
Speaker 7: when if he just does his, job he's an excellent creative.
Speaker 7: Player but if he struggles to find someone to link
Speaker 7: with higher up the field that can take the pressure off,
Speaker 7: him you, know it's, difficult and so you so at the,
Speaker 7: moment you're also seeing guys trying to overplay and guys
Speaker 7: trying to do too much in the absence of this
Speaker 7: of a player that's not even. Here so but there
Speaker 7: Has but again we're talking about. It LIKE i said,
Speaker 7: yesterday we identified another player that hopefully we can. Secure
Speaker 7: but until that player, arrives it's it's it's tough to
Speaker 7: feel confident that that you.
Speaker 3: Know that it.
Speaker 1: Happens, Okay so are you satisfied with you know what
Speaker 1: you outline as far as how you're trying to, Emphasize,
Speaker 1: okay if we don't have the potency in, attack let's
Speaker 1: make sure we're a tough nut to. Crack and where
Speaker 1: you aut on that side of the. Field as far
Speaker 1: as uh defending as a, TEAM i, MEAN i Think
Speaker 1: brall has been a bright. SPOT i, MEAN i think
Speaker 1: he's been a good. Addition so where are you at over, THERE?
Speaker 7: Povs, Yeah, NO i think, again it's just just hitting
Speaker 7: on it today again in the recap and, saying like
Speaker 7: these moments where we're in complete control of the game
Speaker 7: from an offensive, perspective. Right SO i look at the
Speaker 7: two goals we conceded In, minnesota and they both started
Speaker 7: with us in really clear possession of the. Ball we're
Speaker 7: literally three quarters of the way up the, field playing
Speaker 7: in our opponent's final, third and within five passes the
Speaker 7: balls in the back of our. Net, so like what
Speaker 7: we talk about, defensively it's defending in. Transition so the
Speaker 7: first part of that is making sure that you're defensively
Speaker 7: prepared for any any, turnover, Right so that is more
Speaker 7: communication from the guys in the, back it's better positioning
Speaker 7: from our, midfielders and then it's putting out, fires you.
Speaker 7: Know AND i think the majority of the goals that
Speaker 7: we've conceived this year have been through those transition, moments
Speaker 7: and it hasn't been like we've been defending in a
Speaker 7: block close to our. Goal but because we're trying to
Speaker 7: be aggressive and committing them, forward we're susceptible in the.
Speaker 7: Back and so that's the trade.
Speaker 3: Off.
Speaker 7: Right, so because we haven't scored a lot of, goals
Speaker 7: we want to get number numbers higher up the. Field
Speaker 7: but the footside of that is that you're. Susceptible so
Speaker 7: it's it's it's a it's a work in. Progress BUT
Speaker 7: i think, today especially talking to the leadership group In
Speaker 7: rock with Cabral is one of those, players that's what
Speaker 7: we're being very delivered on because we are getting up the.
Speaker 7: Field we are creating, chances but we're just not putting
Speaker 7: the biscuit in the. Basket and so if we can
Speaker 7: nullify some of those opportunities and handle those moments in
Speaker 7: real professional, WAYS i find that we'll put ourselves in
Speaker 7: position to win more.
Speaker 1: Games so let's let's look at The minnesota. Game, actually
Speaker 1: before we look at you know how you decided to
Speaker 1: go about, it because we did catch up with you
Speaker 1: last week AND i was unfortunately playing Weather man during
Speaker 1: our interview AND i reference what the conditions we're going
Speaker 1: to be, Like so it looked rough man on. Television
Speaker 1: what sort of challenges did the weather provide up In?
Speaker 7: Minnesota, yeah it's AGAIN i think the coldest Games i've ever.
Speaker 7: Played we're in those type of conditions where it's not
Speaker 7: cold enough for, snow but it's wind blowing at like.
Speaker 7: Whatever it was forty degrees and the wind blowing the rain,
Speaker 7: sideways and the one thing is is you just don't
Speaker 7: have an opportunity to ever like feel, comfortable, Right and
Speaker 7: so that's what the game kind of looked. Like and
Speaker 7: it was a rough, game given that those guys were
Speaker 7: just putting balls into the box and really being. Directing
Speaker 7: we try to play a little, bit and so that
Speaker 7: style of going up against that style of play on
Speaker 7: that type of surface was very. Difficult and you, know
Speaker 7: at HALFTIME i had we were going to make two tactical,
Speaker 7: changes and it ended up being four because two of
Speaker 7: the players were experiencing hypothermic, symptoms, right so you Know
Speaker 7: yogo And Dominic, marsouk they just couldn't feel their bodies
Speaker 7: anymore and their lifts were blue in the whole nine.
Speaker 7: Yards so like that definitely threw things for a. Spin
Speaker 7: SO i feel like going from The dallas game where
Speaker 7: we were down a, man going Into minnesota with those
Speaker 7: type of, conditions we've experienced a lot of hardship early,
Speaker 7: on and now it's really leaning on those moments to
Speaker 7: really dig deep and become a better team on A
Speaker 7: saturday where it's hopefully sunny two thirty in the afternoon
Speaker 7: against the great team Like.
Speaker 1: La, YEAH i think it will be. SUNNY i think
Speaker 1: that'll help we'll get. There in a, MOMENT i, wonder
Speaker 1: because you Referenced, Mark zuke And, diego do international players
Speaker 1: have a tough time acclimating to some of the challenging
Speaker 1: CONDITIONS mls puts you guys in when it comes to
Speaker 1: playing and some of these cold weather. SCENARIOS i, Mean
Speaker 1: i'm just asking because those two guys obviously are are
Speaker 1: transplants here playing FOR mls from different.
Speaker 7: Countries, yeah you, know and ironically both of those players
Speaker 7: have played in snow, before. Right diego came From denmark
Speaker 7: team In denmark And dominic came from a team In.
Speaker 7: Poland BUT i think, again like the way the amount
Speaker 7: of rain that was falling and the wind blowing WAS
Speaker 7: i think very. Unique and you, KNOW i come to
Speaker 7: find out That minnesota had these these warm blankets that
Speaker 7: they had on their players on the bench and in
Speaker 7: the locker rooms at, halftime and we didn't have. That
Speaker 7: we we didn't have, that, Right AND i just think
Speaker 7: that that little difference of like being able to like
Speaker 7: warm yourself at halftime could have made the difference between the,
Speaker 7: players you, know getting through to the second half and maybe.
Speaker 7: Not but you, KNOW i think it wasn't just those two.
Speaker 7: Guys everyone was you, KNOW i mean everyone's eyes were
Speaker 7: just like they were all everyone was shivering at.
Speaker 6: Halftime it was.
Speaker 7: Incredible so the fact that the guys actually finished the
Speaker 7: game was a feat unto. Itself and and and again
Speaker 7: THAT'S i think something that we need to lean on
Speaker 7: as a group because we've gone through a lot in
Speaker 7: the last two weeks and we've got to use that
Speaker 7: as a motivational force to move.
Speaker 1: Forward so when it comes to the way you elected
Speaker 1: to attack, This peel was out because of the red.
Speaker 1: Card So forrester gets the startup. TOP i just had
Speaker 1: the lineup, slide SO i know this isn't exis exactly
Speaker 1: out goes because guys move, around but diego central centrally
Speaker 1: located where the ten would be diego out, left, out
Speaker 1: out wide, right and then uh macha and ohto of
Speaker 1: course as you're you're you're, central what's the what is
Speaker 1: there something going on With katranis or are you just
Speaker 1: choosing to kind of cycle through that left back spot
Speaker 1: THAT i just thought was HIS i thought he had solidified.
Speaker 7: That, no you, know, AGAIN i think there's, uh you,
Speaker 7: Know Sam junker had a really really good. Preseason his
Speaker 7: his physical output is the top on the, team so
Speaker 7: in that, position you, know we asked him to play
Speaker 7: wing winger when we have the, ball and we asked
Speaker 7: him to play left back when we. Don't And sam
Speaker 7: had just had a really good, preseason great start to the,
Speaker 7: season had a really good performance In. Houston so we've
Speaker 7: been running. It but but, AGAIN i think, obviously when
Speaker 7: you're not getting the, results you're you're looking at every
Speaker 7: nook and cranny to try to find percentages to the.
Speaker 7: Good and that's definitely one position that we're looking at
Speaker 7: and and and a big part of that is the
Speaker 7: way has been. Training alex has been, great his attitude
Speaker 7: has been. Great so you, know looking towards this next,
Speaker 7: game there'll probably be two to three different changes to
Speaker 7: the group that you're that you've just mentioned again to
Speaker 7: continue to instill a competitive, environment but to also find
Speaker 7: different mechanisms to, spark you, know the.
Speaker 1: Results is there another option Besides forrest d And pole up.
Speaker 1: Top i'm not asking Because i'm knocking on those. Two
Speaker 1: i'm just wondering what sort of depth you have up.
Speaker 1: There is there anything maybe we just haven't seen that
Speaker 1: you feel like you might be able to try to
Speaker 1: kind of crack this thing.
Speaker 7: Open, yeah so it's it's a bit. Unconventional But Hashus,
Speaker 7: borea who came into the game in the second half about,
Speaker 7: it did extremely. Well he played as kind of a
Speaker 7: false nine IN uh in, college and so you, know
Speaker 7: this is this is making an adjustment to our game
Speaker 7: model where we actually want our nine to be on
Speaker 7: the highest, line to always push the defensive line back
Speaker 7: to create space underneath For diego And dieg, know but
Speaker 7: we're looking at you, know maybe His SEUs in that
Speaker 7: position to occupy center backs because the three of them
Speaker 7: really understand, movements the ball, possession and they're really really.
Speaker 7: Crafty so we'll look at that tomorrow and see if
Speaker 7: that that, that you, know brings up anything a little bit.
Speaker 7: Different but His seuss has a great eye for, goal
Speaker 7: scored quite a few goals in his in his last
Speaker 7: college season and has been really really bragged in front
Speaker 7: of goal FOR. Us and so, again if what we're
Speaker 7: doing isn't isn't, working we're always looking for different WAYS
Speaker 7: uh to to readjust our game model so that we
Speaker 7: can be more productive in the.
Speaker 1: Attack, okay, WELL i MEAN i just continue to kind
Speaker 1: of feel, bad uh that you're in this spot where
Speaker 1: you have to get, creative, like, hey let's play a false,
Speaker 1: Nine like, no let's get a nine that can actually.
Speaker 1: Score you, Know but that's that's just. Me so let's
Speaker 1: move Towards. Saturday but before we get there, Specifically and
Speaker 1: you were good to talk about this last time you,
Speaker 1: joined AND i always discussed just basically being around now
Speaker 1: the league for twenty years since we brought the club.
Speaker 1: Here i've seen some of our best team start. Horribly
Speaker 1: i've seen some of our worst team start. Incredibly and
Speaker 1: this season is simply a. Marathon but do you feel
Speaker 1: like it's getting late? Early do you catch my? Drift
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's getting late? EARLY i kind
Speaker 1: of feeling a little pressure leaving points on the.
Speaker 7: Table, YEAH i mean it's always obviously you can't you
Speaker 7: can't win the season at the, start but you can
Speaker 7: put yourself in a a in a tough. Spot you
Speaker 7: know WHERE i feel WHERE i feel good about our
Speaker 7: group is that. One it's a really really honest, group
Speaker 7: right we you, know we might not have the sharpest
Speaker 7: tip of the, spear but we do have an honest.
Speaker 7: Group and so when we were doing our game, reviews
Speaker 7: there's there's everyone's understanding what we're talking, about what the expectations.
Speaker 7: Are and you, know in the last couple of, years
Speaker 7: we've been on runs where we've been fifteen. Unbeaten right
Speaker 7: in the last two, YEARS i think we've had two
Speaker 7: runs where we've been fifteen, unbeaten and so a lot
Speaker 7: a lot of that started with a tough. Performance and
Speaker 7: so that's WHAT i keep saying to the guys that
Speaker 7: if we pull, up you, know if we can dig
Speaker 7: out our inner competitiveness, right and our and our we
Speaker 7: don't give a damn type, mentality you're gonna find ways
Speaker 7: to score. Goals you're gonna find ways to win. Games
Speaker 7: it may not be drawn up like what like we
Speaker 7: do in, training but if you don't believe it, right
Speaker 7: if you don't have the, mindset then then it's impossible to.
Speaker 7: Achieve and then you start feeling like what you're talking,
Speaker 7: about which is a little bit, nervy you. Know and
Speaker 7: so for, me from my perspective is it's always looking.
Speaker 7: Forward we've done this in the past two, years and
Speaker 7: it usually started with a bad run of, form but
Speaker 7: we found a way and then once you get it,
Speaker 7: going all those experiences in the past that were very
Speaker 7: difficult to kind of deal with and at the time
Speaker 7: are now you, know steps on the ladder that you
Speaker 7: can climb, up, Right and SO i think that that
Speaker 7: for me is the most important, thing you, know because
Speaker 7: again it's it's not it doesn't feel good when you're
Speaker 7: in these in these, moments right and you you know
Speaker 7: you can you can sit there and feel. Pity but for,
Speaker 7: me it's always about challenging, myself challenging the group to
Speaker 7: be the best version of, yourself because every player has
Speaker 7: done something special to get to this level and it's
Speaker 7: our job as coaches to unlock that that special talent
Speaker 7: and to play free and let me worry about the.
Speaker 7: Results you just worry about doing your job and having
Speaker 7: a great.
Speaker 6: Performance all.
Speaker 1: Right SO i referenced the lineup slide With forster up
Speaker 1: top and the midfield and you, know back for a
Speaker 1: rough and. GOAL i don't know much about The galaxy this.
Speaker 1: YEAR i know that they WON mls couple year ago
Speaker 1: and they're off to What i'm reading is the worst
Speaker 1: start IN La galaxy. HISTORY i do not know. Why
Speaker 1: maybe you can shed some, light SO i would imagine
Speaker 1: they still have. Quality so you might be expecting a
Speaker 1: little bit of a rabbit dog rolling into the stadium
Speaker 1: coming up On. Saturday but tell me about The galaxy
Speaker 1: and if you care to help us understand how you're
Speaker 1: going to try to make some changes to improve this
Speaker 1: this attack coming up On saturday as the galach're rolling in.
Speaker 7: Town, yeah you, know they're obviously in a in a
Speaker 7: tough run of form in the. League they they lost
Speaker 7: their most important player In Ricky pooge that dictated a.
Speaker 7: Lot they've lost another, striker Winger, paintsil who is a
Speaker 7: speedy winger who's just now come back last. Game but
Speaker 7: they're also in in in the in the CONCER Caf,
Speaker 7: cup and so they're actually playing tonight In. Mexico i'll
Speaker 7: check out the. Game so they're they're in two tournaments
Speaker 7: and and you know this this. League the one THING
Speaker 7: i would say about form is that when the whistle,
Speaker 7: blows there's no such thing as formed in this.
Speaker 3: League.
Speaker 7: Uh it's because any team can beat any team on
Speaker 7: any given. Day and and so for, me it's really
Speaker 7: thinking about not their run of, form but what they're capable.
Speaker 7: Of and if you win AN Mls cup a year,
Speaker 7: before you're can from from. In from my, perspective it's
Speaker 7: a great team because they have that and they just
Speaker 7: have to tap into. That so the way we're gonna
Speaker 7: deal with it, is, again they're they're, coming they're gonna
Speaker 7: they're gonna be In mexico tonight and they're probably traveling
Speaker 7: back home and then coming out On. Friday so how
Speaker 7: do we how do we dictate the game with the,
Speaker 7: ball but but be very ball secure and then finding
Speaker 7: some different relationships up front that are more goal dangerous
Speaker 7: and see how it pans out for. Us but BUT
Speaker 7: i believe that the most important aspect of how we're
Speaker 7: going to win this game at the weekend has to
Speaker 7: be with our mentality and our. Competitiveness we have to
Speaker 7: be dogs everywhere on the field and and and and
Speaker 7: by THAT i also mean like we've got to be
Speaker 7: willing to make hard runs in the box even if
Speaker 7: the ball doesn't. Come and that's competitiveness as, well and
Speaker 7: and and trusting your teammates and doing your job and
Speaker 7: so all those little things will hopefully put us in
Speaker 7: a in a position to be the team that you
Speaker 7: know is capable of doing great. Things so one one
Speaker 7: team we obviously can't take, lightly but more, IMPORTANTLY i
Speaker 7: want to see a team that that competes the right,
Speaker 7: way that believes in themselves regardless of who we have
Speaker 7: and who we don't, have and play some great.
Speaker 1: Football all, right my, Guy, well best of luck On.
Speaker 1: Saturday hopefully we can get this thing turned. Around and,
Speaker 1: Yeah i'll do my best to get out there hopefully
Speaker 1: say hello and go get it, man go get.
Speaker 7: Three, okay sounds, great appreciate, it but all.
Speaker 1: Right Pablo. Master, ANYWAY i saw back in action against
Speaker 1: The La galaxy here In Well. Sandy should be right,
Speaker 1: there should be right there Where i'm pointing. To but
Speaker 1: it's a parking, lot different, story different. Day it's been a.
Speaker 1: Slog it has been a tough. Start there are only
Speaker 1: three teams IN mls that have a worse goal differential THAN,
Speaker 1: rsl but one of them happens to be The La.
Speaker 1: Galaxy after winning The cup last, year have not won
Speaker 1: a match so far this year four and. Two they've
Speaker 1: had some international. DUTY i guess some players banged, up
Speaker 1: but their goal differential is minus. Seven they've scored five
Speaker 1: goals allowed TWELVE RSLs is minus. Six they've scored five,
Speaker 1: goals they've allowed. Eleven five goals and six. Games is
Speaker 1: not going to get it. DONE i did not Ask
Speaker 1: pablo about, this BECAUSE i do you not ever want
Speaker 1: to put somebody in a position where they might be
Speaker 1: criticizing their literal. Employer BUT i just have to wonder
Speaker 1: if the progress it feels like it is stalled as
Speaker 1: a result of the rumors with these players that they're
Speaker 1: trying to, sign is it due to the current situation
Speaker 1: with the ownership. Change it could be as simple as. That,
Speaker 1: now the problem that we run into is On, thursday
Speaker 1: it will be three weeks from This thursday where the
Speaker 1: primary transfer window closes and then doesn't open again until the.
Speaker 1: Summer and IF rsl doesn't add pieces prior to this window,
Speaker 1: closing they will not be able to wait until the
Speaker 1: summer to add pieces to be able to do anything
Speaker 1: even kind of. Exciting they will not make the. Playoffs
Speaker 1: they won't even be close to. It the team's not good.
Speaker 1: Enough they jettised in a ton of, talent some of
Speaker 1: the most talented players we've ever seen here in the,
Speaker 1: Market Chi sho And Andres gomez And Matt crooks and,
Speaker 1: others and they have not brought in. Reinforcements AND i
Speaker 1: think it's unfair to the. Coach and Hopefully pablo's antying
Speaker 1: what he needs from ownership some understanding that they just
Speaker 1: have put him in a bad. Spot but it's been.
Speaker 1: Uninspiring it's been boring quite, frankly and are not fun
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Speaker 1: johnt one, day one night to watch The utah men's
Speaker 1: basketball team playing The College Basketball. Crown they lost their
Speaker 1: first game to The Butler, bulldogs so we now are
Speaker 1: officially into The Alex jansonira as the head coach of
Speaker 1: The utah men's basketball. Program butler eighty Six utah eighty
Speaker 1: four and now we, wait and it's been kind of the.
Speaker 1: THEME i Thought Ken, palmroy who joined us, earlier is
Speaker 1: really good with some of the stuff we already are
Speaker 1: hearing major college basketball transfers make their, decisions like really
Speaker 1: really good players have already decided where they're going to.
Speaker 1: Go Saint john's it was announced they're going to Get
Speaker 1: providence Transfer Bryce, hopkins and they've already added The Johnson
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Speaker 1: really good. Pieces AND i Think alex has been on
Speaker 1: the record AND i think he's talked about this probably
Speaker 1: behind closed, doors that he is going to take his.
Speaker 1: Time so right out of the, gates we saw and
Speaker 1: Heard Rafael chilius announced as the lead assistant, coach the
Speaker 1: first assistant coach coach hired By Alex. Jensen then not
Speaker 1: too long after, That Wes willcox was hired from The
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Speaker 1: who joined the show last. Week if you missed that,
Speaker 1: conversation you can check out our website or of course
Speaker 1: the podcast page where all the interviews are there for
Speaker 1: you at all. Times he called This alex's higher and
Speaker 1: said That west will Report alex's kind of the same
Speaker 1: way that you heard from a coach wit, earlier a
Speaker 1: Coach wit hoped On sean, Show The sean O'caddle, show
Speaker 1: which is the show prior to ours on the station
Speaker 1: in the. Midday so definitely Give sean your attention and your,
Speaker 1: ears and we replayed. That it feels like The black
Speaker 1: and HIS gm coach wittis head coach relationship is going
Speaker 1: to be very similar to what we see on the
Speaker 1: basketball side of, things With Wes wilcox essentially reporting To
Speaker 1: alex And alex kind of being THE ceo of the,
Speaker 1: program which is what you are when you're a coach in,
Speaker 1: college even though the landscape has, changed and of course
Speaker 1: we'll report To Mark, carlan the athletic director reports To Taylor.
Speaker 1: RANDALL i mean, it it does feel like it's both
Speaker 1: somewhat seamless and then kind of learning as you. Go
Speaker 1: we are going to get more information probably the next
Speaker 1: ten days on the house. Settlement some details will start
Speaker 1: to come. OUT i think it becomes official In. JUNE
Speaker 1: i think it's the first week Of june where this
Speaker 1: twenty million Dollar i'll call it a salary CAP i
Speaker 1: oftentimes utilize the professional verbiage for the propaganda that college
Speaker 1: folks likes to you, know you, know hit us over
Speaker 1: the head with student, athlete collegiate model and. Such the
Speaker 1: transfer portal is free. Agency it, is you, know label
Speaker 1: it whatever you. Want and this is kind of like
Speaker 1: the first piece of clarity that it administrators are going to,
Speaker 1: get are going to, get are going to get when
Speaker 1: it pertains to their economic, model and it will continue
Speaker 1: to crystallize and become something that eventually will look a
Speaker 1: lot like pro, sports WHERE i believe we are still.
Speaker 1: Ahead And Matt brown's been really good with, this our
Speaker 1: buddy From Extra, points who write the college sports newsletter
Speaker 1: about the business of college. Athletics he is a little
Speaker 1: bit more skeptical as a result of some of the
Speaker 1: changes that have been made with the New trump administration
Speaker 1: as far as The board Of education and things like,
Speaker 1: that you, know the change to labor. Laws what that
Speaker 1: could mean when the dust, settles and will it still make.
Speaker 1: SENSE i believe on paper it makes sense to allow
Speaker 1: the athletes to play college, sports to unionize and collectively.
Speaker 1: Bargain and by, Athletes i'm really talking about mostly football
Speaker 1: and basketball. Players the revenue brought in by the other
Speaker 1: sports isn't enough to justify a unionization or a collective
Speaker 1: bargaining situation where you're negotiating to get your piece of the.
Speaker 1: Pie and, yes every athlete should and now does have
Speaker 1: the ability to profit off of simply who they, are
Speaker 1: the same basic economic right that you AND i have always,
Speaker 1: had and the college, athletes for whatever, reason for decades
Speaker 1: and decades and, decades never. Had and the main REASON
Speaker 1: i feel like this is a future that is inevitable
Speaker 1: and should be leaned into sooner rather than, later is
Speaker 1: it actually in a very ironic, way because of how
Speaker 1: many people are so terrified of college sports simply mirroring
Speaker 1: their pro. Counterparts the irony is the pro model fixes
Speaker 1: a lot of the problems that we all complain about
Speaker 1: with the college. Model right, now the best way to
Speaker 1: fix the transfer portal is to allow these players to,
Speaker 1: unionize collectively bargain and then have them sign. Contracts you're
Speaker 1: not going to have them sign a long term deal
Speaker 1: like they do in the. Pros AND i feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of the guests that we've had on the
Speaker 1: program over the past couple of months or however it's
Speaker 1: been Since Mark carlin decided to move on From Craig,
Speaker 1: smith and they've talked About utah basketball and how basically
Speaker 1: it's been twenty years of occasional incremental success but nothing
Speaker 1: tangible or consistent over. TIME i feel like all of
Speaker 1: them have talked about once upon a time knowing the
Speaker 1: players that played here in a way that you just
Speaker 1: don't know them now for the most, part not all the.
Speaker 1: Time on the football, side we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: players played for coach with that have stayed here for
Speaker 1: a number of, years and on the basketball, side they've
Speaker 1: been more. Unicorns that's WHY i talked About Gabe mattson
Speaker 1: as a guy who should be giving a good old
Speaker 1: tip of the cap as he walks out the. DOOR
Speaker 1: Bc Brandon. Carlson a year, ago you basketball players that
Speaker 1: could have transferred and played for a program that was
Speaker 1: winning at a higher level or maybe deep in their
Speaker 1: pockets a little, bit but they wanted to, stay they
Speaker 1: wanted to build a. Program, well the dynamic of you
Speaker 1: being unfamiliar with these teams every single year would be
Speaker 1: alleviated if these players did sign contracts a two year
Speaker 1: deal with a third year option or something like. That
Speaker 1: so at least you know and, look there has to
Speaker 1: be options. Intertwined Like Aj debantsa is on record with
Speaker 1: his father On First take Saying i'm one and DONE
Speaker 1: byu is Paying Aj debantsa seven million dollars for five
Speaker 1: months in provo to play. Basketball but those are the,
Speaker 1: outliers those are those are those are the, unicorns you,
Speaker 1: know the guys that you want around That alex can
Speaker 1: identify to help build this culture that he is going
Speaker 1: to build from the ground. UP i, mean that's certainly
Speaker 1: what it sounds Like i'm talking about from the, studs
Speaker 1: brick by, brick which is why ye're one in The Big.
Speaker 1: Twelve is probably tough to ask anything more than just
Speaker 1: show that you're actually building something and there's some progress
Speaker 1: in the right direction as opposed to like going to
Speaker 1: win the. Thing Ken palmroy earlier talked about The Big
Speaker 1: twelve not just this year but the. Future more often
Speaker 1: than not will be one of the top two or
Speaker 1: three college basketball, conferences and there will be some years
Speaker 1: that it is the best college basketball. CONFERENCE i would
Speaker 1: say for the most part over the past, decade with
Speaker 1: a lot of the conference is, changing the biggiest change
Speaker 1: in THE acc changing The big twelve has been the
Speaker 1: cream of the crop when it comes to college, basketball certainly.
Speaker 1: Consistently and you look at What houston could, Return you
Speaker 1: look at What kansas could return and their stacked recruiting class.
Speaker 1: Already you look at A byu team that could return
Speaker 1: a bulk of their players and are adding the best
Speaker 1: player in its class next year In Aj debanza and
Speaker 1: then a couple of other, recruits The Xavion stanton kid From.
Speaker 1: Vegas you, Know AJ's a ninety eight composite grade for
Speaker 1: THE espn one. Fifty The stanton kids in eighty. Eight
Speaker 1: you know he's a good player. Too SO byu will
Speaker 1: be among The big twelve teams That utah is gonna
Speaker 1: have to find a way to compete with at the
Speaker 1: highest of. Levels Texas tech has a group of players
Speaker 1: that could come. Back. Now the hard part about trying
Speaker 1: to analyze what a conference will look like in the
Speaker 1: fall when we're sitting here In, april is there are
Speaker 1: so many opportunities for these young men to find new
Speaker 1: places to play if they're not happy with it playing,
Speaker 1: time if an agent contacts, them because there's nothing that
Speaker 1: keeps them, Around hence me talking about a pro model
Speaker 1: where they signed. Contracts they could get, gone BUT i
Speaker 1: think it's safe to, say and you'll Throw arizona in.
Speaker 1: There there's no doubt Throw arizona in. There with who
Speaker 1: they have coming, back and they're recruiting class at least on.
Speaker 1: Paper now there are six or seven teams next year
Speaker 1: that will be, really really high level in this. Conference
Speaker 1: and that's WHY i continue to talk about. Expectations you're,
Speaker 1: one but if you find a player like An Aj,
Speaker 1: debantsa that changes. Everything and, look it's much easier to
Speaker 1: say than actually. Do it's WHY i kind of chuckle
Speaker 1: when we talk about The jazz rebuild and we tend
Speaker 1: to discuss how the modern approach in pro basketball that's
Speaker 1: worked for smaller markets that have won, championships Namely denver
Speaker 1: With jokic And milwaukee With giannis and Then luca was,
Speaker 1: traded But luca With dallas they won a, championship but
Speaker 1: they went to the. Finals there is an angle and
Speaker 1: a roster construction and direction in pro basketball that actually
Speaker 1: could benefit The jazz playing In Salt, lake where back
Speaker 1: in the, day, okay well you've Got, Jordan, okay then
Speaker 1: you've Got, kobe then you've Got, lebron and if you
Speaker 1: don't have one of, those like domestic great, wings you're probably.
Speaker 1: Screwed with the influx of not just international, talent the
Speaker 1: influx of elite international. Talent five of the top seven
Speaker 1: or eight players in the league right now are international. Players, Jokic,
Speaker 1: Jannis luca shay is From, CANADA mb when he's. RIGHT i,
Speaker 1: mean BUT i always chuckle when we, say, yeah The
Speaker 1: jazz just need to go Find, Jokic just go find Your.
Speaker 1: Jokic oh, Okay well, yeah everybody's trying to do. That
Speaker 1: And i'm not saying that it's as simple As alex
Speaker 1: just going to Find aj the, bants but that's an
Speaker 1: example to use that once it only takes, one it
Speaker 1: only takes one of the top shelf recruits to convince
Speaker 1: that player that you're the spot for. Them that really
Speaker 1: can change the trajector of your program for a long,
Speaker 1: time because other players in the class will want to
Speaker 1: look at you, Differently LIKE aj is constantly making the
Speaker 1: rounds on social media playing in these. Tournaments he dunked
Speaker 1: Over Angel. REESE i THINK i saw that highlight going.
Speaker 1: Around SO aj is constantly playing. Alongside the McDonald's game
Speaker 1: is coming. Up and so you're at the McDonald's All
Speaker 1: Star game and You're Aj debantsa and you've got other
Speaker 1: elite players coming up to, you, like, dude you're going
Speaker 1: where you're playing? For Who you're gonna live? Where and
Speaker 1: he talks About provo and he talks about, that he likes.
Speaker 1: It he talks About Kevin, young and he talks about
Speaker 1: THE byu basketball program that changes how many people look
Speaker 1: at you. Differently and SO i don't know Who alex
Speaker 1: is gonna be able to convince to play for The,
Speaker 1: utes but it really just takes one blue chip. Guy
Speaker 1: and all of the excuts have talked about, it you,
Speaker 1: know back in the day with The Van horns And
Speaker 1: DeAndre millers and The doleyaks And rick being able to
Speaker 1: find talent from out of state and then being able
Speaker 1: to capture some of the in state, kids The, johnson's
Speaker 1: The Josh grantz of the. World the guys like, that,
Speaker 1: Right and once you have an elite talent that's willing
Speaker 1: to play for, you and you're able to convince him
Speaker 1: that this is a place he can, build then we
Speaker 1: start talking about exactly what sort of hand we've been,
Speaker 1: dealt but it is brick by. Brick it is going
Speaker 1: to take some, time And Alex jensen will finish off
Speaker 1: the year with The Dallas, mavericks who look like they're
Speaker 1: probably going to be a playing, team not because they're,
Speaker 1: good but most everybody behind, them including The, suns is
Speaker 1: they're just a. KNEMIC i don't know What MATT A
Speaker 1: shuby is gonna. DO i have no idea how The
Speaker 1: sons you dig themselves out of. This but that might
Speaker 1: Delay alex's full time arrival for a little. Bit but
Speaker 1: of course he has been on the. Ground BUT i
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are wondering about news concerning
Speaker 1: the coaching. Staff and BECAUSE i just listed off some
Speaker 1: players that have already elected where they're going to play next,
Speaker 1: year the transfer portal is open now and you've got
Speaker 1: to hit the ground running to make sure you're in
Speaker 1: the mix where some of these. Players there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a great coach without great. Players it does not.
Speaker 1: Exist you can go down the. LIST i don't care
Speaker 1: if You're Phil jackson Or Pat riley or, whoever Or Greg.
Speaker 1: Popovich there's no such thing as a great. Coach he
Speaker 1: doesn't have multiple great players and we can talk About
Speaker 1: Fraig smith Or Larry koskovak Or Jim boyle.
Speaker 6: And all we.
Speaker 1: Want it has been a long long time Since utah
Speaker 1: basketball has had great players that have been around, consistently
Speaker 1: consistently around long enough to build something that seems to
Speaker 1: permeate with this community and seems to breed not just
Speaker 1: winning but entertaining. BASKETBALL i, mean fans will show up
Speaker 1: if you play an entertaining brand of, basketball if you're team,
Speaker 1: orientated if you have good, habits if you're, tough and
Speaker 1: if you, win and certainly easier again easier said than,
Speaker 1: done because you've got to build that thing up brick
Speaker 1: brick by, brick and it will take a little bit of.
Speaker 1: Time but The utah men's basketball program down In, vegas
Speaker 1: they lose To, butler so the season is over and
Speaker 1: now The Alex jensen era has. Begun a few weeks
Speaker 1: away from The forever twenty two. Game hoping to see
Speaker 1: you guys up. There little spring football action coming up
Speaker 1: in a few. Weeks just check out the website for
Speaker 1: the football program or Tickets utah uts dot. Com It's
Speaker 1: Utah uts dot, com, right that's where you go to
Speaker 1: get tickets for the spring. Game, yes you're, Right Utah
Speaker 1: utes dot com forever twenty two. Game all the revenue
Speaker 1: generated from that the spring game goes to The Scholarship
Speaker 1: foundation honoreing and of course those two young men tragically
Speaker 1: losing their lives a number of years. Ago it feels
Speaker 1: like both yesterday and like ten years. Ago so a
Speaker 1: little spring football up on the. Hill if you're looking
Speaker 1: for spring football, sound you can always go to the
Speaker 1: website OF espn seven hundred sports dot. Com Coach wit
Speaker 1: rolled by today to talk To. Sean we brought that
Speaker 1: back around in the three o'clock, Hour so there you.
Speaker 6: Go.
Speaker 1: Porter when you're In, vegas outside of sitting in a
Speaker 1: sports book sucking down, heaters you ever throw any? Cards?
Speaker 6: Uh not.
Speaker 2: Really i'm not much of a poker. Player maybe a little,
Speaker 2: blackjack maybe a little slot, stuff but yeah, no If
Speaker 2: i'm doing any any, gambling it's gonna be kind of
Speaker 2: sports related in that. VEIN i don't do much much tablesit.
Speaker 1: WELL i wanted The utes to win and go on
Speaker 1: a run in the. Tournament one night In vegas was.
Speaker 2: Enough, YEAH i think one night In vegas is usually,
Speaker 2: like how you should do, it if you're, going if
Speaker 2: you're gonna do, it how you should do? It but,
Speaker 2: uh probably a good idea to leave me here at.
Speaker 1: Home, well and it's also you just got to mind
Speaker 1: your p's and q's a little. Bit every Time i'm,
Speaker 1: There i'm, like this is this is not a real.
Speaker 1: Place this is like an adult. Playground and you can
Speaker 1: have A vegas experience that spans the spectrum of a
Speaker 1: lovely quiet dinner and puking in a bush and a
Speaker 1: lot of in between action as. Well you could do
Speaker 1: both if you. Like but if you can do the
Speaker 1: one and go back and go to. Bed and because
Speaker 1: THERE'S i will say, this there's a grip of gray
Speaker 1: restaurants In Las. Vegas like it's hard to find a bad.
Speaker 1: Meal so on the scale of, uh having a quiet
Speaker 1: meal with a friend and then just going back and
Speaker 1: hitting the, sack there's also the other scale of staying
Speaker 1: out until four am and your puke and yeager at
Speaker 1: a bush on the.
Speaker 2: Strip, right you can combine best of both. Worlds, yeah
Speaker 2: but you Want, yeah like you, SAID i for, me it's,
Speaker 2: overwhelming like the, lights the, sounds the amount of. People,
Speaker 2: AGAIN i come from a town with zero, stoplights so
Speaker 2: it's just a. Lot it's a lot for. Me So
Speaker 2: vegas is not my cup of. Tea but as you,
Speaker 2: said if you are there for a, day you're there
Speaker 2: for a. Weekend when it comes to like the food,
Speaker 2: options the entertainment, options golf, course whatever you want to,
Speaker 2: do you can go in and.
Speaker 1: Find it In.
Speaker 2: Vegas so it's nice to have that little spot not
Speaker 2: too far from. Us and now with some big twelve,
Speaker 2: affiliations now with some bowl game. Affiliations we got hockey down,
Speaker 2: there we GOT nfl down. There who knows what's.
Speaker 1: Next the flight is so, easy like it's beautiful and you, Flew,
Speaker 1: yeah it's. GREAT i mean essentially you blank and you're
Speaker 1: on the, ground which is, wondering what is it like
Speaker 1: an hour on the way. Back it was a little
Speaker 1: over in an hour on the way. There we had some.
Speaker 1: Wins it was like an hour twenty but you blink
Speaker 1: and you're. There it's.
Speaker 2: GREAT i haven't done that one. Yet the shortest FLIGHT
Speaker 2: i Think i've, DONE i think was like An arizona.
Speaker 2: One and, yeah you hang around for an hour and
Speaker 2: it's like a it's like a drive down To.
Speaker 1: Provo, yeah, no it was in instead of driving down a.
Speaker 1: Provo when you drive and arrive at your, destination there's
Speaker 1: some things that are fun to. Do due respect down
Speaker 1: to the, swig it's the traffic down In provo THAT
Speaker 1: i can't deal. With any mall shop excellent malt, shop
Speaker 1: but stuff to. DO i like fat. CATS i will
Speaker 1: stand up for fat, cats BUT i will say proud
Speaker 1: of myself last, night get done with the, show head
Speaker 1: back to the, hotel catch a shower BECAUSE i was
Speaker 1: scrambling at Some mexican food at The silverton where we,
Speaker 1: stayed and we at The Silverton. Lodge there is literally
Speaker 1: a beast pro shop in the. Lobby so that's how we're.
Speaker 1: ROLLING i, mean we're not high rollers here on the.
Speaker 1: Station BUT i, Decided i'm, like you know, what it's
Speaker 1: like eight, Thirty i'm gonna go play some. Cards, Okay
Speaker 1: i'm just gonna go do. It i'm never down here
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i enjoy some to hold them my enjoy some.
Speaker 1: Poker BUT i just decided to go blackjack and uh
Speaker 1: ten dollars minimum, table which is. Nice there was a
Speaker 1: five dollars minimum. Table but did you ever See Wedding night.
Speaker 1: Table but did you ever see wedding singer at The
Speaker 1: Adam sandler. Movie it's been a long. Time so there's
Speaker 1: like this scene there at a wedding and he talks
Speaker 1: about table, nine which is kind of all the, rejects
Speaker 1: the five dollars minimum. TABLE i would have happily plopped it,
Speaker 1: down but there were no seats that was jam packed.
Speaker 1: On take it AND i get. IT i get. It
Speaker 1: you want to play as long as you can sit
Speaker 1: down ten dollars minimum. HANDS i played for about two
Speaker 1: to two and a half. HOURS i can grind on a blackjack,
Speaker 1: table LIKE i know how to play enough Where i'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lose a, ton And i'm not betting a,
Speaker 1: ton So i'm not gonna win a crazy amount right.
Speaker 1: Away So i'm grinding for a couple of, hours go
Speaker 1: up and down fifty or. Six he end, up you,
Speaker 1: know going up about forty fifty. Bucks i'm, like all,
Speaker 1: right let's do a couple hands, Here let's see if
Speaker 1: we can bump this up a little, bit and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to. Bed we're gonna do the responsible.
Speaker 1: Thing back in the, day IF i ran a bank
Speaker 1: roll up a couple hundred. Bucks i'm walking over the
Speaker 1: dollar slots putting like threeundred dollars and the dollar slots
Speaker 1: trying to catch a slot that's like fifteen. Grand BUT
Speaker 1: i bet a couple of fifty dollars, hands won a,
Speaker 1: few one up two hundred, bucks AND i went to. Bed,
Speaker 1: WOW i was in bed by. Ten SO i actually
Speaker 1: did The vegas thing WHERE i played some cards and
Speaker 1: won a couple hundred bucks and got to bet on.
Speaker 1: TIME i was very proud of.
Speaker 2: Myself like, you the few times THAT i have decided
Speaker 2: to lay some money down on the, TABLES i always
Speaker 2: get a way ahead of. Myself, right you win a couple,
Speaker 2: hands the machine goes your way a few, times sometimes real,
Speaker 2: conveniently you, know goes your way a few. Times you
Speaker 2: get a few good, hands you're up fifty, bucks and
Speaker 2: then you're all. In you get a taste of a
Speaker 2: spent you're all. In so that's always been my. Issue so,
Speaker 2: YEAH i JUST i steer clear of. IT i hang
Speaker 2: out of the sports, book throw a few parlays in
Speaker 2: and see what we can.
Speaker 1: Do, now the only way to win is to grind
Speaker 1: and build a bit of a bank roll and then
Speaker 1: bet some big hands and if you win those big,
Speaker 1: hands that's when you do What you walk away go.
Speaker 1: Home Kenny, rogers our, guy the, gambler got to know
Speaker 1: where to do. It you don't want to walk. Away
Speaker 1: so successful one day trip To, VEGAS i would, say
Speaker 1: it's great to be, back but it feels Like january
Speaker 1: and It's i'm not gonna lie. Landing after taking off
Speaker 1: in sixty eight degree, weather taking the uber to the
Speaker 1: house and seeing the car buried in, SNOW i almost
Speaker 1: called in. Sick i'm, Like i'm not doing the. Show
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Stupid it Is april and we're still dealing with. This
Speaker 2: but WHEN i went to The Rose, bowl however many years,
Speaker 2: ago that was it's a. BLUR i came back in
Speaker 2: not to one up.
Speaker 3: You my.
Speaker 2: CAR i left it at The. HOMELAND i left it
Speaker 2: up In, camas actually. BURIED i have. TO i had
Speaker 2: to look for the car it. Was it was buried in.
Speaker 2: Snow of, course that was a record. Winter SO i
Speaker 2: fill you. There when you when you get home from
Speaker 2: somewhere tropical and your car's, buried it's a it's a little.
Speaker 1: Worse AND i didn't leave the heat onto the house.
Speaker 1: Nice so you walk in and you, know trying to
Speaker 1: save money on the Power. Billy you walk in and
Speaker 1: it is. Freezing you gotta throw the coat, on the hat,
Speaker 1: on the gloves, on dig your car out and drive to.
Speaker 1: Work but looks like it'll be warm next. Week but you,
Speaker 1: know you never. Know oftentimes you get hit with another.
Speaker 1: One Sometimes, april Sometimes, may Sometimes. June but good to
Speaker 1: be back here In Salt lake after a little trip
Speaker 1: To vegas with the. Youth all, Right, porter before we
Speaker 1: say go. It, oh by the, WAY i will be
Speaker 1: on television tonight with The, goat Adamkl Adam, mikolitch Not Dave,
Speaker 1: fox Not Dave, fox the sweetest man in the. WORLD
Speaker 1: i love How adam always puts a positive spin on,
Speaker 1: everything even when it's not going. Well So i'll be
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Speaker 2: Radio on A, Wednesday Tony jones stops by talking some
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Speaker 2: chris Com ronnie will stop buy for his in studio.
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Speaker 2: OF I guess formerly The Salt Lake tribune now that
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