WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:04.799 All right, let's get it. Drivetime Tuesday afternoon, ten minutes 2 00:00:04.839 --> 00:00:10.400 past the hour, two o'clock snow, wet, cold, chilly, ridiculous, 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:15.000 over it whatever. April First, there actually is some sun 4 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:18.239 in downtown Saal Lake City after getting smoked with snow 5 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.320 last night in this morning. Landed from Vegas about an 6 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:25.519 hour and a half ago, and back in Salt Lake, 7 00:00:25.519 --> 00:00:28.640 back in studio after a quick trip quick John down 8 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:30.239 in the city of sin to watch the University of 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:33.799 Utah the college basketball crown, of course, lasted for one 10 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:36.960 game the Butler Bulldogs and the season for the Utes. 11 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.359 And we're back home one night. Maybe we'll do a 12 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:43.079 little story time. Your guy hit the tables for a 13 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:45.280 minute after the show last night. Not too long. I 14 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.960 want to get in bed early, catch a flight back 15 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:51.799 to Salt Lake. And there's nothing quite like leaving sixty 16 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.399 five sixty eight degree sunshine weather and landing where you 17 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.439 live in April and taking the uber home to find 18 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.399 your car buried in snow and having it dig that 19 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.719 damn thing out. Anyway, I'm in a good mood. How 20 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.439 are you happy? Tuesday? A lot to do on the 21 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.439 program today, good guest list, We're gonna talk, of course, 22 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:12.799 some college basketball. We'll do some Final Four, we'll do 23 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.040 some NCAA tournament, We'll do some Utah, We'll do some BYU, 24 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:20.480 We'll do some brackets on the program today. How your brackets? 25 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.400 You're holding up our right? Do some college hoops? Of course, 26 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.159 it is the madness of March that is now spilled 27 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:29.799 to April, as we have turned our calendars to April. 28 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:31.680 And while I'm on ree to start the show, can 29 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:36.120 I just say, who's still doing April fools pranks? Don't 30 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:41.599 just stop? It's dumb, mostly just annoy people. So I'm 31 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:44.439 just curious if that's still part of your deal as 32 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.400 it is April Fool's Day. Technically, how does the stretch 33 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:52.319 running the NBA playoffs? Not a lot of interesting storylines 34 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.079 around here with a Jazz, but some interesting storylines around 35 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.200 the National Basketball Association. Ramona scheld more in a couple 36 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.959 of other NBA riding about the firing of Taylor Jenkins 37 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.280 in Memphis. Some interesting stuff there. But we're starting to 38 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:10.199 get a feel of the playoff picture. Certainly, several races 39 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.800 still going on. Utah Jazz are part of the race 40 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.680 to the bottom. Tanka Palooza twenty twenty five. The Jazz 41 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:20.240 are one of I'd say eight teams right now continuing 42 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.199 to try to lose basketball games for the honor of 43 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:26.759 drafting Cooper Flag. Let's see, six games left for the Jazz. 44 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.479 Six games left. They're going to take on the Rockets 45 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.159 tomorrow in Houston, and the Jazz are the worst team 46 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.400 in the Western Conference and right in the mix to 47 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.240 be the worst team in Pro basketball. So down the 48 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.280 stretch we come with Utah Jazz. It's going to be 49 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.960 at India excuse me out Houston tomorrow than at Indiana 50 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:47.280 on Friday. Added Atlanta Quinn Snyder on Sunday, then home 51 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.520 for a couple of games against Portland and Oksee. They'll 52 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:56.639 finish off the season Sunday, April thirteenth at Minnesota. And 53 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:59.520 as we say here today in the race for Cooper Flag, 54 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.719 the Jazz have some company in the name of the 55 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:05.319 Washington Wizards, who are sixteen and fifty nine. The Jazz 56 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.120 are sixteen and sixty So congratulations. The Jazz are the 57 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:10.400 worst team in the NBA. And this is the worst 58 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.879 Jazz team in the history of the organization. By record, 59 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.879 No Jazz team has ever lost sixty games before. So 60 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.560 what is this team fifty one? I guess two years 61 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:22.280 ago we'll call the team forty nine. Team fifty one 62 00:03:22.360 --> 00:03:24.439 the worst team in the history of the Utah Jazz. 63 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.879 And hopefully Lady Luck shines on the Jazz in the 64 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:31.000 second week of May and the lottery balls fall their 65 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:33.879 way in order for the Jazz to draft Cooper Flagg. Otherwise, 66 00:03:33.879 --> 00:03:37.080 what has all this been about? Offseason in the NFL 67 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.680 brings rule changes, and we have some rule changes that 68 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.719 some have become official. Others, namely the tush push, potentially 69 00:03:45.759 --> 00:03:49.039 will be banned. That vote has been tabled for now, 70 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:52.680 but the NFL offseason news cycle is kind of quieted down. 71 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.719 Of course, spring football goes on at the University of 72 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.000 Utah high speed ahead of the Forever twenty two game 73 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.560 coming up in a few weeks. So it's always a 74 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:04.159 good time to talk a little college football on the show. 75 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:07.479 All right, Tuesday afternoon guest list goes like this, Tom Haberstrom, 76 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.879 NBA Daily Assists, He'll stop by, we'll do some draft, 77 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.120 we'll do some prospects, we'll do some jazz, we'll do 78 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.000 some NBA at A little bit of everything with Tom. Today, 79 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:22.720 the author of the book on Luka Doncic The Wonder Boy, 80 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:26.759 that a lot of people are reading, including Richard Smith, 81 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.680 who rolled by with a copy in his hand. Tim 82 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.319 McMahon will roll by the program today in the three 83 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.199 o'clock hour. Get to bring in Ken Pomeroy, our college 84 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:40.639 basketball sage, our college basketball north Star, to talk tournament, 85 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:44.319 to talk Hutes, talk Alex Jensen, talk b Yu and 86 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.480 it'll be excited. It'll be fun to have Ken in today. 87 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:48.959 And then the head coach over a Al Saal Lake 88 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:53.079 Another result went the wrong way, but Pablo Mastroni will 89 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.399 stop by today as RSL got got last week and 90 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:58.040 we'll see if they can get back at it. Coming 91 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:02.639 up on Saturday again, it's the La Galaxy. So Tom 92 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.759 Habers show, Tim McMahon, Ken Palmroy, Pablo mash join any me, 93 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.839 Spence Jackets back here on the ground and saw Lake 94 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:13.480 City Happy, snowy, cold wintery April Tuesday to you and 95 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:18.439 that guy Porter Larson, Tuesday afternoon. So are you proud 96 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.120 of yourself for picking all the number one seeds? You 97 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:21.720 go to the final four? Do you think that's actually 98 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.600 a guy to mine analysis by you? 99 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.120 Listen, you're you're you're leaving the horse there. I didn't 100 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:32.000 say a work. I have not said a work, but 101 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.959 I do believe the uh, the objective of the bracket 102 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.040 is is his accuracy. Now, I know, I know, picking 103 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.199 all the number one seeds is not necessarily a hot take, 104 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.800 but yeah, doing the doing all right in the bracket challenge, 105 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:51.519 I I will say I didn't feel good about doing it. 106 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.560 I didn't feel happy. We said it the day leading 107 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:59.439 into the bracket that I I was having reservations about 108 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.439 how my bra get played out because I like picking 109 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.839 the underdog. I like cheering for the underdog, and in 110 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.639 fact found myself cheering against my own bracket much of 111 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.639 this tournament because of that. But yeah, man, the cream 112 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.839 is rising to the top more so in college basketball now, 113 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:20.040 and we know why that is. The Almighty Dollar does 114 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.560 a lot when it comes to the sports world, and 115 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.120 when it finds its way into college athletics, it's going 116 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.560 to change the game and it. 117 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:31.040 Has the dynamite break down. But you buried the lead. Yes, 118 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:31.560 I'm leading. 119 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:32.639 You picked the lead. 120 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.439 All four number one seeds. And look here's the deal. 121 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.319 As I told you, I filled out two brackets, one 122 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.439 for work, one for my family bracket challenge, and my 123 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.360 brother explained to his son, my nephew, Will, who is 124 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:48.319 nine years old, who has probably never watched a college 125 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.680 basketball game in his life, unless like BYU is playing 126 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:52.800 because they're big BYU fans. He explained to him, Okay, 127 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.240 when you fill out your bracket, remember the higher the 128 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.439 number next to the team, the better those teams are. 129 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.199 So Will, being the bright young man that he is, 130 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.759 also has all four number one seeds in the final four, 131 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.399 and he is winning our family bracket. So it worked. 132 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.800 It is a strategy that works whether you're a basketball 133 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.839 savant like Porter, the producer of the show, or you're 134 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.480 a nine year old that likes Pokemon and not college basketball, 135 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:16.480 so you're in good company. 136 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.560 It has only happened twice, to be clear, in NCAA 137 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.720 tournament history, so there is at least some at least 138 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:24.360 some for SEC. 139 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.800 I'm just mostly glad that I threw the bracket this year, 140 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:29.759 so I didn't win it for like the sixth straight year. 141 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.600 I wanted somebody else to get to shine, and I'm 142 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:33.279 glad that it's you, because it should be somebody from 143 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.800 our show. 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But anyway, 185 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:32.919 if you follow me on either a Twitter X or 186 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.799 whatever the hell they're calling it these days, or Instagram. 187 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.879 I'm gonna start posting my price picks picks a couple 188 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.799 of times a week. Yeah, they've asked us to do that, 189 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.360 so it's just my name, easy to find out. Spence 190 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:45.679 check it's whether it's Twitter, Instagram. I think those are 191 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.759 the only two I'm doing. I'm never on Facebook and 192 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.080 TikTok is for children. All right, Tom Haberstrow will be 193 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:53.120 our first guest right out of the gates. We were 194 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:57.480 in Vegas yesterday for the University of Utah men's basketball 195 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:02.480 challenge in the College Basketball which unfortunately only lasted one day, 196 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:04.759 and you know, we talked a lot about it on 197 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:08.600 the program yesterday. Sean O'Connell host our midday show here 198 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:10.919 on the station. Definitely give him your support. John's a 199 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.480 very talented radio host. Stepped in for Bill Riley who 200 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.679 was on vacation to call the game, and Sean Mooney 201 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.480 was alongside of him, so we caught up with those 202 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:22.840 two yesterday. We also caught up with Richard Smith and 203 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.840 Josh Furlong and just real Quick in the segment kind 204 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.720 of furthering the conversation that we had yesterday about the 205 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:34.559 current state of the Utah men's basketball program. Ultimately, I 206 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:39.080 respect and understand the endeavor of accepting an invitation to 207 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.279 the college basketball crowd. I mean college basketball crown had 208 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.679 some real elite brands, not real elite teams. Boise State's 209 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:48.320 pretty good. Outside of that, you know, a school like 210 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:52.120 Utah who is an elite historic basketball brand, a school 211 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:55.399 like Georgetown, Arizona State in Butler, you know, right with 212 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.279 Gordon Hayward and Brad Stevens, but not a lot of 213 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:02.399 great basketball. We did our show following the end of 214 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.240 the Utes game, so we saw Boise State George Washington, 215 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:07.399 and then the game ended while we were still on air, 216 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.320 and so the nightcap we caught a couple a couple 217 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.320 of minutes of that as well. So well, I understand, 218 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.480 you know, because I referenced this yesterday. Yesterday when we 219 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.159 had Smitty on the show. When I was walking from 220 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.440 the entrance over to where we had set up the 221 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.720 tie line to do the radio show, I counted more 222 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:29.200 NBA and college scouts then I did almost fans. Quite frankly, 223 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.840 there was nobody there. Well, I think the I think 224 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.799 the team that I saw with the probably the most 225 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.159 fans and loudest fans, probably Nebraska from my vantaged point, 226 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:42.639 but not a lot. And you know the media row 227 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:44.759 that you walk past if you go to a Jazz game, 228 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:46.840 and you see, you know, where a lot of the 229 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.799 guys set up to watch the game, at least down low, 230 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.000 although the media is up top of the Delta Center. Now, 231 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:55.799 that was mostly college scouts and some you know, smattering 232 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:57.720 of pro scouts looking to see if they can find 233 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.879 some diamonds in the rough. So as we enter into 234 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.960 the Alex Jensen era, and we are now officially in 235 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.519 the Alex Jensen era pretty much starting today. I mean 236 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.120 today is the first official day of Utah basketball with 237 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.759 Alex Jensen as its head coach since the uts lost yesterday, 238 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.960 and we await as to whether or not Alex and 239 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:20.240 the staff are interested in bringing any of these young 240 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:24.000 men back. And Sean Mooney had some interesting perspective on this. 241 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:26.960 You know, he essentially was informed that Alex has been 242 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.200 holding some zoom calls with a lot of these players 243 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.720 and it really has been more of like a collaboration 244 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.559 about what's best for you, you know, is it something 245 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.519 that you're interested in as far as coming back to 246 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:39.440 the you and playing for me. Are you looking for 247 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.120 a fresh start? I think ezra Asar has a couple 248 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:43.919 of kids that are in the Midwest. Maybe he wants 249 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.639 to get closer to his children. You know, some other 250 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:49.360 players might not have a great taste in their mouth 251 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.120 as a result of their experience at the University of 252 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.279 Utah where they didn't win a lot of basketball games 253 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.120 and their head coach was fired the guy that they 254 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.799 came to play for. So as we kind of await, 255 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.080 you know, this this period where we're wondering what the 256 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.399 rest of the staff is going to look like, and 257 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:08.080 we're curious as to whether or not any of these 258 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:11.200 players are going to come back, It's it's interesting to 259 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.960 consider what it could look like starting next year. And 260 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.240 I will talk about this throughout the course of the 261 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:18.159 show with some of our other guests. And I want 262 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.080 to be clear once again, this is just a gut 263 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:24.600 feel and you kind of look around at some of 264 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.759 the other reclamation projects in college basketball when coaches have 265 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.720 taken over for a coach that has been ousted, and 266 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:34.120 a couple of things often happened. First of all, players 267 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.879 typically leave before the coach has a chance to kind 268 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:41.000 of sell to them his vision for the program and 269 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.879 his vision for how they fit in. And for an example, 270 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.720 you look down South. After Mark Pope took took the 271 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:52.360 Kentucky job, Jackson Robinson immediately transfer portal went to Lexington 272 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.080 with Mark. Colin Chandler, who is a great, great young talent, 273 00:13:56.120 --> 00:13:59.759 played his college ball up up north in Davis County. 274 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.399 BYU commit and a lot of people think he has 275 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:05.320 pro potential. He's still fresh off the mission. He needs 276 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.240 some time to get his legs back. Promptly de commits 277 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.000 from BYU, goes to Kentucky. But one of the key 278 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.639 things Kevin Young was able to do right away is 279 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:17.159 convinced Dalan Hall and Richie Saunders to say because Mark 280 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:19.519 wanted both of them in Kentucky, and a lot of 281 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.799 reports or that Creighton made a big time push to 282 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.000 get down Hall to sign on the dotted line there. 283 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.720 And the fact of the matter is, if we can 284 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.720 talk all we want about yegor Demon their best pro prospect, 285 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.720 we can talk all we want about them getting kVA 286 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:36.159 Cator from the U or Fustreori the most prolific field 287 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.799 goal percentage here in the history, Brigham Young, Dollon Hall, 288 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:41.679 and Richie Dallan Hall and Richie Saunders don't come back 289 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.320 to play for Kevin this year. That team is a 290 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.559 lot different. Richie was their best player and whenever Yegor 291 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.200 struggled against pressure, Dallen is more of a gritty, tough 292 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:51.320 point guard who had big twelve experience, came in and 293 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.679 kind of call him the team. So is that a 294 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.759 model that Alex is looking at? Are you looking at 295 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.960 a Keanu Dawes who for whatever reason didn't get concent 296 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:02.720 and big minutes under Craig, But Josh Eiler liked him, 297 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.960 and in the seven games Josh coach, Keana had five 298 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:11.200 double doubles, including nineteen and eleven yesterday eleven or nineteen 299 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.480 points on six shots because he went to the free 300 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:15.360 throw line nine times and knocked down eight of his 301 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.559 free throws. You know, there are some intriguing pieces I 302 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.879 think that Alex will look at. But if I had 303 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:23.039 to guess, I'll go back to what I was saying yesterday, 304 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:25.559 and I'll continue to reiterate. I just get a feel 305 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.840 that al wants to do this thing right from the 306 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.240 beginning and do it over. Hit the reset button. And 307 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.519 build Utah basketball the way he believes that should be. 308 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:36.200 Ken Pomeroy Kenpalm dot Com talk some college basketball, How 309 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.360 your brackets doing? Pablo mastoinning the head coach at where 310 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.879 Il saw Lake. Midweek conversation with Pablo before they're back 311 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.120 in action coming up against LA. Has not been a 312 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:50.159 great start of the season for RSL. But our first 313 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.519 guest on a Tuesday, Tom Haberstrow, Tommy, Happy Tuesday. Just 314 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.279 so you know, snowy cold, it feels like it's a 315 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:00.600 February in saul Lake. How we holding up? Where you're at? 316 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.240 It's about eighty degrees and Sonny, I hate to tell 317 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:09.200 you where are you? I mean Charlotte, Charlotte, North Carolina. 318 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.879 Your home, beautiful Charlotte, North Carolina place that I that 319 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.159 I love it awful lot. All right, Tom, First of all, 320 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.399 let's start with Porter is bragging because he picked all 321 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.399 four number one seeds. You go to the final four 322 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.279 like a simp. Yeah, that means he's winning our brackets. 323 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.759 So he's become unsufferable. I believe you filled out a bracket. 324 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:29.879 Did you did did you go all chock or did 325 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.960 you did you do like I did and picked upsets, 326 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.960 because you know you've watched this thing before. 327 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.399 I did a lot of upsets, which I think was 328 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.919 a balance with my pick to win it all Duke, 329 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.120 So I felt like Duke was far and away the 330 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:50.679 best team. I also saw Duke in person and was 331 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.759 blown away at how professional they seemed like. They seemed 332 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.840 like an NBA team with the way they played and 333 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.639 the talent that was on the floor. And even though 334 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.639 I hadn't no point of reference because I didn't watch 335 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.160 any other team really in person, it just felt like 336 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.519 this was a team that was destined to win it all. 337 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.400 And when Cooper Flag got hurt in the ACC Tournament, 338 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.839 I was actually there here in Charlotte, and I was 339 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.599 a little worried because I was like, man, it would 340 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:23.119 be great. As much as it pains me to say, 341 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.519 as a kid who grew up as a Tar Heel 342 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.519 fan going to UNC basketball camp and then going to 343 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:33.079 nearby Wake Forest, there was a common enemy among those 344 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:36.039 two schools, and that's Duke. But I found myself watching 345 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:42.000 Cooper Flag and Malwatch and Canipple and these guys and 346 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:47.200 feeling like they are it's already scripted, that they are 347 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.680 that good, and that talented, and it was good to 348 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:52.920 see that Cooper Flag made it back on the floor. 349 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.400 And I just feel like this team is that much 350 00:17:55.400 --> 00:18:01.759 better than everybody else. The rest of my bracket. 351 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:00.720 Talk about that. 352 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:03.000 Yep, no, I'm in the same boat. I'm in the 353 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.119 same boat. But let's stay in this space for a moment, 354 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.480 because you know, I think there are a lot of 355 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.880 people that casually watch sports that maybe a lot don't 356 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.640 really watch college basketball, but they heard the name Cooper 357 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.559 Flag all year, and certainly around here, if you're a 358 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.279 basketball fan, you can't have a conversation without hearing Cooper Flag. 359 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.240 Because the Jazz just became the first Jazz team in 360 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.599 fifty plus years of an organizational history where they've lost 361 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:30.839 sixty games. It's never happened. This is the worst thing 362 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:33.839 we've ever had here. And so whenever the Jazz come up, 363 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.480 it's not very long tim me before Cooper Flag's name 364 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:39.319 come up comes up. So a lot of these people 365 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.000 are probably watching him for the first time, and it, 366 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:45.119 you know, during this tournament experience, it continues to be 367 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:48.319 wild to me that in this day of college basketball, 368 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:53.119 with the COVID year allowing extra eligibility and the transfer portal, 369 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:56.359 allowing players to play sometimes into their mid to late twenties. 370 00:18:56.440 --> 00:18:59.240 I think Trevinell from BYU is about to turn twenty seven. 371 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:02.240 He's older than Luke. Cooper Flagg, who should be a 372 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.359 senior in high school reclassified just turn eighteen in December. 373 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:10.200 Seems to dominate in every single way every time he plays. 374 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:13.119 He's not perfect, nobody is. But what has been your 375 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.400 takeaway with the performance of Cooper Flag during this tournament 376 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:17.039 run for Duke? 377 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.160 I think it'll help clarify things if you think of 378 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:26.200 Cooper Flag as the white KG. He is so good 379 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:30.119 at everything like KG was. KG at his peak, was 380 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.880 the MVP of the NBA. He could pass, he could run, 381 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.440 he could dribble, he could shoot. He had this fluidity 382 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:40.400 to this game that it seemed like he was born 383 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.279 to play basketball. That God himself looked at this dude 384 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.599 and was like, you know what, You're going to play 385 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:52.440 the sport of basketball because your body, your energy, your competitiveness, 386 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.359 all of it manifests itself in this sport where you 387 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.440 take a bouncy ball and throw it through an orange 388 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.240 ring ten feet off the ground and it's hard because 389 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:06.440 he's white. That we have a tough time comparing him 390 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:12.079 to guys other than Andrea Kirilenko or you know, that's 391 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:16.359 an often comparison for a Cooper Flag. And it's tough 392 00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:19.160 because our minds play, our mind plays tricks on us 393 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.799 that our brain wants to compare him to someone who 394 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:27.279 looks like him. And I'll remind you that KG, the 395 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.759 kid or the ticket, he came into the league as 396 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:33.839 a as a teenager, as basically an eighteen year old 397 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.799 who averaged in his rookie season ten points and six rebounds, 398 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.480 And I will remind you that that guy was considered 399 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:47.000 the most competitive, was considered the most menacing, was considered 400 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:54.599 the most talented, also the most unsupported superstar of his class. 401 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.359 You look at how long it took for him to 402 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:59.799 win a championship. I had to go to Boston to 403 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.519 do it. And then once he went to Boston, people 404 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:04.160 were like, oh, yeah, he's one of the best ever 405 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:07.559 to do it. And I think Cooper Flag is built 406 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:11.799 from the same mold competitive as all had skilled in 407 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.599 every facet of the game. And if you remember, I 408 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.359 think you've seen it before Spence the clip of Team 409 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:21.880 USA where KG goes length of the court in a 410 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:24.680 one on one battle with all of his Team USA players, 411 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.759 his teammates, and he's not beaten. He no one beats 412 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:30.279 him in a full length one on one game where 413 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.079 it's kind of survivor where if you don't beat him, 414 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:38.319 you step aside and KG continues on with the next contestant, 415 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.440 beat him, step aside, and KG keeps going. And I 416 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.240 think Cooper Flag is similarly skilled in that there is 417 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:48.640 no weakness in his game that I can see, and 418 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.400 he has that competitive edge that KG has and Cooper 419 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.079 Flag at this point he's just turned eighteen. I think 420 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.759 he's six nine six'. TEN i think he can grow another, 421 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.160 inch AND i think the comparison is And Danny ainge 422 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.599 famously GOT kg to win a championship With Ray allen 423 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.240 And Paul pierce and probably has the same vision with this, 424 00:22:10.279 --> 00:22:11.960 Guy Cooper. Flag you know? 425 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.680 What you know what else stands out to Me tom 426 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:17.720 based off of his age again eighteen In. December he's 427 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.920 a young. Eighteen he doesn't seem to get rattled like at, 428 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.640 all because there have been several. Moments, look when you're 429 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:29.240 when you're an, opponent and when you're playing a team 430 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:31.920 Like duke and when you're playing against a player Like Cooper, 431 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.240 flag you know who you're playing, against and you know 432 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.240 how many eyes are on you when you're playing in that. 433 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.039 Game and The Grant nelson kid From. Alabama you, know 434 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:46.440 there have been several instances where opposing players or opposing 435 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.519 fans have tried to get on him and try to rattle. 436 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:51.079 Him and for an eighteen year old, kid he's just. 437 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:53.720 Unflappable you, know he just goes about his business and 438 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.880 doesn't seem to respond to any of the you, know 439 00:22:56.960 --> 00:22:58.720 any of THE ba teen that seems to be done 440 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.599 in his. Direction it's pretty impress it. 441 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:03.920 Is and this is the kind of thing THAT i 442 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.599 saw with my own two, eyes two, eyes two, Eyes Looney, 443 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.599 TUNES i don't know What i'm talking. About WHAT i 444 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:13.119 saw my own two eyes in person At Cameron indoor 445 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.359 was in the second half after dealing with foul. Trouble 446 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.720 he was unleashed that he had to sit for much 447 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:21.759 of the first half because he picked up three early, 448 00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:26.119 fouls And John shire put him on ice to make 449 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.160 sure that he had him in the second, half and 450 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.000 then he just said go get, him And Cooper flag 451 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.400 was unstoppable the rest of the. Game when his team needed, 452 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:38.519 him he rose above and he, dominated AND i think 453 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.920 at a certain point in this season the team just 454 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.319 kind of let him loose and was, like go be 455 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:49.240 you and ball, dominant ball in his, hand high pick and, 456 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:51.960 rolls playing like a, guard but on the defensive, end 457 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:57.000 blocking every, shot deterring every. Shot AND i think that's 458 00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.839 kind of the apex Of Cooper flag is that there 459 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:02.279 is not a part of the game that he cannot. 460 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:05.759 Dominate AND i think in AN nba context and the 461 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:08.440 right coaching, staff on the right, teammates he can be 462 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:11.839 AN mvp, because like you, said he's unflappable and he 463 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.200 has between his two. EARS i think he's got a 464 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:19.720 wonderful thing about him and EDGs to him that, again 465 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.319 you look AT, kg you look At, lebron you look 466 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.160 At Chris, paul these guys who have lasted very long 467 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.160 in THEIR nba. Careers it's a lot to do with 468 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.440 how they think about the game and that competitive. Edge 469 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.680 Stephen curry as, well it's JUST i think he has, 470 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.640 it AND i think there's a really good reason why 471 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:42.759 The Utah jazz have registered their first sixty loss season 472 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.680 of their franchise. 473 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:47.039 History so what do you think tom it is going 474 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:50.519 to look, like whether It's utah Or washington Or charlotte 475 00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:54.480 or wherever With cooper right? Away because your Reference garnett's 476 00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:58.000 rookie year ten point six, boards we just don't have 477 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:02.759 a lot of rookies save The, unicorn save The lebrons or. 478 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.960 Whatever but most rookies come in and even if when 479 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.880 they are fully baked four or five years later THEY'RE mvp, 480 00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:13.440 candidates it doesn't look great right away because they're, young 481 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.200 they're learning how to be a. Pro there is a 482 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:18.519 toll on the, body and we're seeing that with some 483 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:21.279 of The jazz rookies hitting the proverbial rookie. Wall THOUGH 484 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.119 i think there are a lot of players that have 485 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:25.319 won two to three can coun this about a month. 486 00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.799 Ago but what do you think it's gonna look like 487 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:33.079 With cooper right? Away what's a reasonable expectation? Stats generally, 488 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:35.000 speaking what do you think he can post his first 489 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:35.480 year of pro? 490 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:40.400 BASKETBALL i think somewhere in Between wemby and kg's rookie, 491 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:43.599 season something like sixteen points a. Game wemby last year 492 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:47.880 as a twenty year, old he averaged twenty one, points ten, 493 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:50.559 rebounds three point nine assists and three point six. 494 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:52.240 Blocks that's. 495 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079 Outrageous but he's twenty one. Now he was twenty at 496 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.640 the end of last. Season Cooper flag is gonna be 497 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:01.880 a year younger than, that and you keep referencing, it 498 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:04.759 AND i don't think people will quite understand he should 499 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:09.000 be In devonta's, class that's how young he. Is it 500 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.160 is very rare to have a guy who was the 501 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.559 youngest guy in his class also be the best player 502 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.640 of his, class and that's what we have With Cooper. 503 00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:21.640 FLAG i, suspect you, know some of the great rookie 504 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.319 seasons of all time aren't necessarily the great harbingers, of you, 505 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.039 know future. Success Blake griffin comes to, mind where he 506 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:31.880 had a year off because of. IT i think it 507 00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.319 was a foot, injury and then he came in and 508 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:38.200 was dominant right away and just wowing people with his 509 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:43.000 athleticism and dunking everybody, over everybody In Lob. City BUT 510 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.680 i would also caution that at his, PEAK i Think 511 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:51.640 Blake griffin would have had even higher peaks if he 512 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.359 hadn't had that injury in his first. Year and just 513 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.720 because you average twenty two and twelve as a, rookie 514 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.960 remember that, Dude Blake griffin was twenty one years old 515 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:03.839 as a, Rookie SO i think it's all relative and 516 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.400 keep age if you've been hammering this with your. AUDIENCE 517 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.839 i think it's. Smart guys Like Cooper flag have dominated 518 00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.559 college basketball At duke, before but not at this. Age 519 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.640 this is something. Else this is a unicorn of, unicorns 520 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:21.519 AND i think That Victor Webbin yama is a good 521 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.519 proxy for what we might see as a. Rookie but 522 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.799 Remember wemby was a year older than what we're going 523 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.839 to See Cooper flag next. 524 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:32.880 Year so one more question, here then we'll move. On you, 525 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.039 know that's a good explanation of what you think he 526 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:40.440 can be right away as he, grows you, know predicated 527 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:42.359 of course on being in the right system with the right. 528 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.880 Coach instead eating what you, Eating i'm washing down my 529 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.200 own Crustable tom since you brought it, UP i have the, 530 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.200 weirdest dumbest. LIKE i don't know if it's a. TICK 531 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:57.160 i don't know if it's a habit THAT i That 532 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.880 i've been doing this twenty years AND i still do 533 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.440 not eat with enough time during the break to come 534 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:04.400 back without having to wash it down While i'm talking, 535 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.680 it and, LOOK i know That i'm doing, it BUT 536 00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.720 i just still do, it like porter's good to let me, Know, 537 00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:11.680 hey we're back in thirty or. Whatever it doesn't stop. 538 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.240 Me i'm, like all, right that's enough time to get 539 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.240 a peanut butter and jam sandwich down my. Throat and 540 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:16.680 it never. 541 00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.519 Is have you ever had goober? 542 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:18.960 Grape? 543 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:19.759 Oh, yes so? 544 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:20.519 Good m. 545 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.599 Hm SO i do This Top chef, podcast and this 546 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:25.880 is a, detour BUT i do This Top chef podcast 547 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.559 WHERE i interview and Recap Top chef, episodes which MEANS 548 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:31.839 i get to interview some of the best chefs in the. 549 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:37.640 World and in this little serendipitous side project THAT i, 550 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.359 HAVE i talked To Sarah, bradley who's one of the 551 00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:42.960 best chefs in the, World James beard. Nominee she's out Of. 552 00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:47.160 Kentucky she's. Incredible AND i had this confession THAT i was, 553 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.359 LIKE i love goober grape and she goes me, TOO 554 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.000 i have it all the, time nice and it made 555 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.720 me feel, like you know, what it's, Okay, spence if 556 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.599 you need to do a lunchable or incrustable or a goober, 557 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:01.400 grape that that's. Okay some of the best chefs in 558 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:04.759 the world with the most pristine palettes also agree it's. 559 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.000 Delicious AND i do think you're onto a question AND 560 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.200 i interrupted you so. Rudely so if you'd like to, 561 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:12.880 continue we, can or if we want to sidebar this 562 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:14.319 into a food, podcast we can as. 563 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.599 Well i'm down to do, that just so you. KNOW i, 564 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.480 mean for a little context, HERE i was In vegas 565 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:24.279 yesterday for The utah men's basketball, game and when they, 566 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.200 LOST i booked my flight for this morning and the 567 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:29.680 only flight got me back thirty minutes before the, show 568 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.039 SO i had to rush, home grab WHATEVER i had 569 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:34.759 to snack, on rush back down to the, studio and 570 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.160 here we. Are so they're a little tread off the, 571 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.240 tires running on fumes a little, bit but you do 572 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.440 what you gotta. Do SO i will reset the question 573 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:43.519 and Then i'll just let you run with, it And 574 00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.400 i'll make it shorter instead of another weird you know 575 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.160 TENDENCY i have is to be long with questions and 576 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.640 too long with. Goodbyes but let's move. On what do 577 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.039 you Think cooper flag looks like fully developed in THE? 578 00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.240 Nba, YEAH i, mean MAYBE i should have held, this 579 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:02.559 BUT i THINK kg two way Super star Super Impressive 580 00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:09.480 Leadership Skills CHAMPION. Mvp that's the. Ceiling that's the. Ceiling 581 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:13.160 Victor Webbin yama because of his size and his, SKILL 582 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:20.119 i think he has goat upside and his most recent 583 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:24.680 diagnosis with deep Van thrombosa's, NOTWITHSTANDING i think if he overcomes, 584 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:29.079 that he has goat. Potential Does Cooper flag have goat? Potential, 585 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.960 LOOK i think he can be a massively SUCCESSFUL nba. 586 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:41.240 Player does he have goat potential written on? HIM i 587 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:43.759 don't think in the same way That wemby. Does BUT 588 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.440 i also think that there's a tier Below wemby And 589 00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.839 lebron And i'd probably Put Cooper flag in THEIR kg 590 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.920 where it's it's filled with guys Like shack And Tim, 591 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:59.559 duncan where it's they're not in the goat, conversation but 592 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.759 they're considered one of the very best at their. POSITION 593 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.160 i Think Cooper flag somewhere in The Tim DUNCAN kg 594 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:07.599 range is his. 595 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:12.200 Ceiling so if The jazz draft, Him, okay because we 596 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.920 talked last week about, this this two tiered kind of 597 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.519 debate that's going on out here about what The jazz 598 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.480 would do if they Grab Cooper, flag and after a 599 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.079 couple of shows last, week you, know they're guys over 600 00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.319 there that listen to the. Show THEY'RE nba guys and they, 601 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.839 like you, know guests like you And tim and, committiment 602 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.400 all the guests that we. Have So i've been told, 603 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.640 like if they are able to Grab Cooper, flag this 604 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.519 does not indicate they're gonna hemorrhage the rest of the 605 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.039 roster and start with just, him like their timeline would 606 00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.839 start just. NOW i think they Like lowry a. Lot you, 607 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.839 know The lowry marketing of the past couple of years 608 00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:52.759 has been forced to play in the sandbox with, children 609 00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:55.400 and he was An All stars first year, here but 610 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.559 he Had Mike conley next to him and some other veteran. 611 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.480 Pieces he hasn't looked the same because as he doesn't 612 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.880 have teammates that know how to play pro basketball. Yet 613 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.519 AND i think they Love. Walker so that would be 614 00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.319 your front. Court Walker, Kessel Lowry market And Cooper. FLAG 615 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.839 i have a ton of questions about almost everybody else 616 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.519 on the, Roster but what do you think The jazz 617 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.200 would look like next year if they basically bring back 618 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.480 the bulk of their roster and they Add Cooper flag to. 619 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:22.240 It what does that look. 620 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:26.160 LIKE i think that's a playoff team if you have 621 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:31.200 a Motivated Larry markinen and a coach that understands the 622 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.400 mission And Will hardy and understands this is less about 623 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.880 a development year and about a winning. YEAR i do 624 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:44.599 The blazers games as the analytics analytics, insider and one 625 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.960 of the things That i've been tracking is like when 626 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.920 the team realized it was not just in a developmental, 627 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.319 year they were in a results. Year halfway through the, 628 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.559 season they have the top five defense and an average, 629 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.440 offense and that resulted in a hunt of. Winning and 630 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.039 sometimes it happens that, quickly is that you think that 631 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:09.640 it's a developmental, year, retooling tanking, year whatever you want 632 00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:14.160 to call. It there's a moment in time where they, 633 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:19.240 realize wait a, minute why are we trying to develop 634 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.680 skills without like trying to win these? Games AND i 635 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.279 think that would be the case next. Year is marketing 636 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.359 is good. ENOUGH i think he's Tall Klay. Thompson, offensively 637 00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.440 he might not be the point of attack defender That 638 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.079 clay was at his, peak but you put that skill 639 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.160 set next To Cooper flag and then you have a 640 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.960 rim protector Like Walker, Kessler they're gonna win a lot of. 641 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.920 Games AND i think with the playing tournament the way it, 642 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.960 is where twenty teams have an ability to get into 643 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.160 playoffs at of, THIRTY i think they would be very 644 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:55.160 much in that. Conversation, NOW i think that would be 645 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.880 premature to suggest that that's when you build up into 646 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:04.000 a title, contender to start adding disgruntle veterans superstar players 647 00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:06.000 from other teams and say let's try to win right 648 00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.760 now with an aging. VETERAN i don't think that they 649 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.159 should go trade For Kevin durant this summer if they 650 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:16.119 Land Cooper, flag but if it Was John, moran or 651 00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.639 if it's someone else that was younger and might be 652 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.960 able to be. Had Dearon fox comes to. Mind with 653 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.599 The San Antonio, spurs they did something like that in year. 654 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:29.440 Two significantly into year two they, said let's go get 655 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.880 A deer And fox and accelerate this timetable a little. 656 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.360 BIT i could see how after year one The Utah 657 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.960 jazz would reevaluate and, say all, right now let's go 658 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:44.719 get another. Guy let's get a shooter who can distribute 659 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:46.880 the rock and not Have Cooper flag having to create 660 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.239 everything that might happen after year, one BUT i think 661 00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.960 in year one you could realistically With Cooper flag on 662 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:58.880 the team and with a re Engineered Walker kessler And Larry, 663 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:01.440 MARKINEN i think you could win a lot of games 664 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:01.719 with those. 665 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.280 Three so based off of your, history the jazz in this, 666 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.320 Well i'm supposed to call it a tear, down BUT 667 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:13.480 i will. Not during this rebuild. Process the draft capital 668 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.000 that they have received from the Go beart and The mitchell, 669 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:20.480 deal bit pieces of draft capital from other Deals Conley, 670 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.639 bogdanoviconio all that stuff that combined with our own so 671 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.639 far has bred two top ten. Picks one Is Taylor, 672 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.119 hendrix AND i actually still Think taylor has a. Chance 673 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:33.639 we just don't know because he got hurt so, early 674 00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.559 and all indicators are he's getting close, to you, know getting, 675 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.920 back and he should be ready to start next. Year 676 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.239 So i'm gonna Put taylor aside for a moment And 677 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:44.880 i'm gonna hone in On Cody. Williams And i'm going 678 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.159 to try to do this without being unfair because he's 679 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.119 twenty years old playing for a team during his rookie 680 00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:52.719 season without a lot of grown ups in the locker. 681 00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.039 Room you, know to really help him understand what he 682 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.719 needs to. Do but the fact of the matter, is 683 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:02.280 there just has not been much of Anything tom to 684 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:04.360 look at to make you think The jazz may have 685 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.880 made the right. Decision i'm not saying they did or 686 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.280 they did, not because it would be a fool's air 687 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.079 and to anoint or dismiss a twenty year. Old but 688 00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.239 they're just you, know even when he was down with the, 689 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.639 stars there were moments here or, there but nothing really. 690 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.719 Consistent and As will has leaned into playing young players 691 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.880 and Giving cody minutes and, starts you see a lot 692 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.800 of bad. Decisions you don't see a lot of good. 693 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.320 Shooting you don't see a lot of finishing with. Physicality 694 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.400 he gets pushed around on defense because he's. THIN i 695 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:33.559 just think you'll want to see a little bit more 696 00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.559 throughout the course of the season from a top ten 697 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.960 pick to indicate that maybe you made the right. Decision 698 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.599 so what's fair to say about a rookie year from 699 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:42.840 a young man who just simply has not shown much 700 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.320 of anything as far as promised that you, know maybe 701 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:46.360 The jazz made the right call. 702 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:50.400 There it's tough because you, know the school thought of, 703 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.360 like let a guy play through his mistakes and he 704 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.159 will learn and he will get. BETTER i think this 705 00:36:56.280 --> 00:37:01.000 is more in The Tom thibodeau school of, thinking is 706 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.480 you've got to learn by, playing and that can. Hurt, 707 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.920 ALSO i, mean you imagine a player that fails so 708 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:14.519 much that they become almost psyched, out that they are 709 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.320 seeing so much failure that they can't see the. Light 710 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.159 and what we're seeing With Cody williams is he's, played you, 711 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.559 know fifty. Games it's happenging about twenty minutes per. Game 712 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.159 and we've never seen a player IN nba history with 713 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.280 this low productivity with this many minutes in their rookie. 714 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:38.719 Season So i'm going to say that, Again Cody williams 715 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.159 with a three point seven player efficiency, rating might not 716 00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:44.679 be the best metric to go, by But i'll just 717 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.199 give you this as an example of his productivity. Levels 718 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.079 he's shooting thirty two percent from the. Floor his true 719 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.159 shooting percentage is forty one. Percent the numbers are, gory 720 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.519 but when you compare it to all rookies who have 721 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.960 played one thousand minutes in their rookie, season he ranks 722 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.920 dead last in THE nba. History and so that's. Two 723 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.199 it's telling me two. Things one he's not very, productive 724 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:11.039 but two there's you, know there's reasons why he's getting 725 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.159 so much playing. Time is because they have an incentive. 726 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.039 Structure they're responding to an inside of structure that rewards 727 00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.559 teams for being bad or not winning. Games and so 728 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.679 in another climate or another, team he might not get 729 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.199 any run and he might be in THE G league 730 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.159 the whole. Time but under This Utah jazz, team you're 731 00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:31.719 looking At Nicolos Ketish, peely The denver high draft pick 732 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:34.880 who had a four point nine peer his his rookie. 733 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.320 Season Dante exum a better success, story but also one 734 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.639 That utah had five point, Seven Austin rivers five point. 735 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.960 Nine the success story you want to point to Is 736 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.800 Demonisa bonus was at six point nine and okasee and 737 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:56.000 later became a Perennial All star candidate who was thirteenth 738 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.239 on this. List That Cody williams's, FIRST i don't know 739 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:01.320 if it's one you want to be. First And Rashad 740 00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:03.760 vaughan From Milwaukee buck you might not know him. Well 741 00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.199 he was nineteen and had a four point two Per 742 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:10.480 this is all to say a lot of these players 743 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.679 in this conversation are not. Hits there are players that 744 00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.119 have hit. That Danny avdya is another one that had 745 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.639 a really tough rookie season and has now developed into 746 00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.360 a guy who's a twenty to ten guy over his 747 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.039 last fifteen. Games it can't, happen but just like in anything, 748 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.039 else you'd rather be on the other end of that 749 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:33.480 spectrum than this. One AND i think it's tough to 750 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.800 grade him based on the goals of this, season but 751 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.400 there's no doubt about. It what you're, sniffing it smells 752 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:42.639 that and that is the rookie season For Cody williams 753 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.559 that is statistically among the worst that we've seen with 754 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:47.039 this kind of, Minutes. 755 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.719 Tom where can people go find the compendium of projects 756 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:52.880 that you find yourself undertaking at all? 757 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.840 Times for the next couple of weeks The blazers. Broadcast 758 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.599 if you're watching On League pass and you want more 759 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:01.480 of these numbers on The blazers t, games we can 760 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:05.039 do that for you On League. 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Weird good stuff From 797 00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.280 Tom Haberstroke, today we'll get back to some of the 798 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.639 college stuff With Ken. Palmeroy we Got pablo on the 799 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.119 program as. WELL rsl back in action taking on The 800 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.920 La galaxy coming. Up but it is time now for 801 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.639 our weekly conversation with one of our favorites FROM, espn 802 00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.679 the author of the book that's out, Now The Wonder 803 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.920 boy On Luka. Doncic is great to Have tim McMahon 804 00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.599 back on the show on A. Tuesday Happy, Tuesday, tim how. 805 00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:22.360 Are we doing at you? Partner appreciate you having. 806 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.800 Me appreciate the. Time so for the first time in jazz. 807 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:29.239 History we have a team that has lost sixty plus games, one, two, 808 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:32.880 three can coun you can tell. That look you know the. 809 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:38.320 Deal not just, players, coaches front office, guys front office, members. 810 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.239 BROADCASTERS i think everybody is ready for this season to be. 811 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.599 Over only six games left. Him what do you have 812 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:45.280 to say to jazz? 813 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.559 Fans, WELL i don't know why you're being so. NEGATIVE 814 00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:52.519 i just literally grabbed the package from my front. DOOR 815 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.320 i opened it, up and it is a nice little 816 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.920 promotional thing For Isaiah cahier for all rookie there's the 817 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.679 big mountain lift passes type of things going. On there's nice. 818 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.440 PHOTOGRAPHY i thought it was a well done promotional campaign 819 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.679 for a man who Broke John stockton's assist record last. 820 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.840 Night NOW i guess one Of. JOHNSTONE i Guess John 821 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.920 stockton probably has some other assist records NOW i think about, 822 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:21.320 it but he did break the franchise rookie assist. Record 823 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.320 nice little season and of the number twenty nine overall 824 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.719 Pick you know me a guy who finds silver linings 825 00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.199 While i'm up on those mountain chairlift type of, things 826 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.800 and NOW i have to pass four thanks To Isaiah 827 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.840 colliers house stay in rookie. Season so why don't we 828 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.320 talk about. 829 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.480 That let's Do John stockton as a rookie started five 830 00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:40.880 games and played eighteen minutes a. 831 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.400 Night oh, well ge, Whiz ain't that a? Bit you? 832 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.639 KNOW i think that this means That collier's on his 833 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.840 way to like fifteen nine hundred more assists or. 834 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.920 SO i will say. This you, KNOW i was because 835 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.239 when The jazz released this promotional, campaign you start looking 836 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.280 around at this rookie. CLASS i actually think he has 837 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.559 a chance to him to Make All. ROOKIE i don't 838 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.760 know that he, will BUT i when you look at 839 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.280 he's thirty two percent from three since The All star, 840 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.360 break which isn't, good but it's better than twenty three. 841 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.360 Percent the crew irony is the best picks The jazz 842 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.199 have made since they started this project have been in 843 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.400 the late maybe second round With. Philipowski but do you 844 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:19.960 Think isaiah's got a shot to Make All? 845 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:21.800 Rookie, yeah he's a. 846 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.920 SHOT i, mean, look first of, all most guys who 847 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.360 Make All rookie teams aren't playing for very good teams 848 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.639 for obvious. Reasons you, know typically the rookies who play 849 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.360 a lot aren't on good. Teams there are some, exceptions you, 850 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.960 Know Jalen wells And zachie from The, grizzlies although it's 851 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.800 a different sort of issue, there but you, KNOW i 852 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.159 think both those guys end up making. It but you, 853 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.239 know he has had a good rookie. Season talking About, collier, 854 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.559 now as you, say, preferably you'd like for the guy 855 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:55.679 you had in the you draft in the lottery to 856 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.480 be the candidate that you're promoting later. On but you, 857 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.840 know there's got a chance to be a nice player 858 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.519 and is off to a prompting. Start and you, know 859 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.599 the thing About collier is there was a point in 860 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.519 time where he was expected to be maybe even an 861 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.199 early lottery, pick and obviously didn't have the kind of 862 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.679 season people anticipated last year FOR, Usc so you, know 863 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.320 he's not your typical number twenty nine overall pick in 864 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:22.639 terms of potential. 865 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.960 Upside and you, know The Kyle philipowski pick in the second. 866 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:31.119 Round you, know we've talked about this a couple of different. Times, 867 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:32.960 NOW i, mean the two top ten picks The jazz 868 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.559 have had since THIS i Know i'm supposed to say tear, 869 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:38.159 down But i'm going to say. Rebuild since this all, 870 00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:40.840 Started Taylor, hendrix who we don't. Know you, Know taylor got. 871 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.599 Hurt we'll wait and see what he turns. INTO i 872 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.440 actually like him as much as any of these young. 873 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.679 Prospects we just need to see. More and Then, Cody 874 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.960 Cody williams and you Know Tom, aberstrow your. Buddy last, 875 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.360 segment you, know dropped The haberstrow numbers on. Us And 876 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.559 cody has the worst you, know player efficiency number based 877 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.679 off of he's played more than a thousand minutes in 878 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.280 the history of THE. Nba AND i just think you 879 00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.320 want your top ten pick as will has gone all 880 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.440 in over the, past you, know six eight weeks or so, 881 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.519 on giving these rookies, opportunities starting, them playing them big, 882 00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:20.039 minutes Including cody And. TIM i can point to all of, Them, Isaiah, Kyle, 883 00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.599 KEYANTE i could keep, Going Bryce sensebos been knocking down. 884 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.440 Shots all of them have shown in stretches that they 885 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.920 do HAVE nba skill sets Besides, cody and he's your 886 00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.440 top ten. GUY i don't know if you talk to 887 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:34.199 him over, there and he's only, twenty but is there 888 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.400 any worry that this may have been a swing and a? 889 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.639 MISS i, mean you, know naturally to ask to be. 890 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.960 WORRIED i would, say you, know giving up on him 891 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.639 would be paying. Sures he's still a, teenager. 892 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.679 He's, twenty he's a young twenty year old, Younger i'm. 893 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.760 Sure SO i would, say you, know declare making any 894 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:55.679 kind of like permanent declarations would be. Premature but, hey 895 00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.800 it's there's not been a whole lot of reason to be, 896 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:05.239 optimistic you, know as far as what he's shown on 897 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.360 the floor for you this. 898 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.599 Season if The jazz Get Cooper, flag what does that 899 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.800 look like immediately right away next? 900 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.559 Year you, know it looks like they've got a guy 901 00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.239 to build. Around they've got to face the. FRANCHISE i 902 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.559 don't think it means that they're going to be competitive right, 903 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:26.920 away but it means that there's you, know a clear foundation, 904 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.480 piece which you, know as of right, now that guy 905 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.280 is not necessarily if there's really not the like the 906 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:34.559 big foundation piece on the roster at, ALL i think 907 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.320 the question is can market and be your second or 908 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.760 third best player once you get good and then you, 909 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.239 Know Walker KESS i think is a complementary piece and 910 00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.639 potentially can be for a long. Time but, look The 911 00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:50.039 jazz are in desperate need of a franchise player And 912 00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:53.360 Cooper flag would step into that void right. Away doesn't mean, like, 913 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.039 look there's no such thing as a. Guarantee you, know 914 00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:01.280 nobody is guaranteed to be a, superstar but you know 915 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.159 he's pretty close to. 916 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.559 It so typically in the history of THE, nba if 917 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.480 you're a twenty five year old generational, talent you don't get. 918 00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.480 Traded and if you're a really good young head coach 919 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.679 who has brought your team to a lot of, wins 920 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.719 playoff berths with what appeared to be good progress trending. 921 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.320 Forward AND i think the piece That Ramona shelbourne and 922 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.639 you guys did over AT espn today On Taylor jenkins 923 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.760 is really good to outline some of the offensive changes 924 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.079 that they made with some of the international coaching. Hires 925 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.800 and you know HOW i think it was oer and 926 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.639 eleven against winning. TEAMS i still tim am very shocked 927 00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.679 That Taylor jenkins lost his. Job now that it's been 928 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:41.719 a little while and time has, passed what exactly happened, Here. 929 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.760 Well he got his knees cut out from undrum last 930 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.599 summer when he was forced to fire five assistant. Coaches 931 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:53.320 ob basically you, know gutted his staff and you know 932 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.480 had to bring you, know and he was part of 933 00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:58.039 the interview, process but these weren't his HighRes that he brought. 934 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.800 In and then he, bring you, know the The grizzlies 935 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.079 bring in the front office brought in two. Guys one 936 00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:10.039 is now their interim coach To Thomas, zallo who was 937 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.239 kind of, considered, oh this guy's this, bright rising offensive 938 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.440 mine In, europe but you know it coached the Euro 939 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:18.480 cup championship team last. Year, okay you're bringing him. In 940 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.440 and Then Noela, roach who's a player development GUY i 941 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:26.760 was doing some consulting stuff for The, spurs had some really, 942 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:31.760 interesting unique offensive, ideas but those guys' ideas didn't really 943 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.760 mesh and so you had this tug of. War and so, 944 00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.880 look everybody in the league knew That Taylor jenkins probably 945 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:41.840 wasn't going to be back with The grizzlies next. Year 946 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.519 you don't have your staff gutted like that and then 947 00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.719 give up control of your offense to two guys who 948 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:52.079 you didn't know until the interview process started over the 949 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:56.199 summer without your job being in. Jeopardy the anticipation Was 950 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:58.039 grizzlies would get bounced in the first, round then it 951 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.039 would be. Done so the surprise Would taylor was that 952 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.039 it happened when it. Did that happened with nine games left 953 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:07.239 in the regular. Season the bigger surprise to people who've 954 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.039 been filing the Grizz is this, season, though was That 955 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.159 noel La ross also got. Fired this is a guy 956 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.320 they gave him a seven figure salary to lead the 957 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.760 player development, program but then he was essentially serving as 958 00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.719 their offensive coordinator and all this new kind of, interesting 959 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.440 creative stuff that they were doing this, year very unique 960 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.199 stuff that they were doing this year was. His so 961 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.480 what that means and by the, Way joe hated it 962 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:38.360 because they've set in the fewest ball screens And Drew 963 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.800 landolph since the tracking stuff started more than a decade. 964 00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.719 Ago so what this really means, Is, Okay taylor wasn't 965 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:48.519 going to make it after the, season let's just do it, 966 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.679 Now and then they went away from a system that 967 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.840 had worked to a certain. DEGREE i was really creative and, 968 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.639 unique but their, face the franchise hated. It so this 969 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.880 is attempt, to as somebody there told, me to try 970 00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.679 to Optimize, jaw and really it's an attempt to try 971 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.840 to Make jaw happy because there's also been a lot of, 972 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.280 noise and not the drinking's part of, it but getting 973 00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:15.119 rid Of Nola rosi and the offensive systems and attempts 974 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.639 to Make jaw happy because there has been a lot 975 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.360 of noise About jaw's not, Happy jos. Grumbling you know 976 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.159 what's going to happen With John? Memphis is that going to? 977 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.079 Be is that gonna you, know be something that bubbles 978 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.920 up this? Summer and you, KNOW i would say we 979 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.760 will see about all, that but doing it the way 980 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:36.159 the whole last year In memphis has been messy from 981 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.360 a coaching staff, perspective was there any? 982 00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.440 INPUT i, Mean ja's also twenty, five you, know and, 983 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:47.039 Yeah i'm looking at The memphis situation maybe through the 984 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.280 prism of what we deal with here In. Utah with 985 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.440 the jazz roster there right, now in ability to compete 986 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:53.880 at a high, level like you could do a lot 987 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.760 worse than What memphis is and who they've, been and 988 00:51:57.880 --> 00:51:59.599 you could do a lot worse Than Taylor jenkins as 989 00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:01.280 the head. Coat so it's not like that's a bad. 990 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:04.360 Roster they do have a cornerstone And John, moran do 991 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.400 you know if there was any feedback From jaw or 992 00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:08.760 his camp that they wanted to make this change based 993 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.920 off of your comments on how upset he seemed to 994 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:12.840 be with his offensive. 995 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.559 System so, AGAIN i don't Think joe wanted to play 996 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.159 in that offensive system. Anymore. SO i think the firing 997 00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.280 Of noel La roche is an attempt to try to 998 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:24.440 Appease John moran my, understanding as none of this was 999 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:30.239 discussed with him directly. Beforehand but that's the firing of 1000 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:33.880 the seventh figure assistant who's sitting on the second row 1001 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.360 pulling the strings of the. Offense the firing Of Taylor 1002 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:43.639 jenkins is not something That jaw pushed. FOR i don't 1003 00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.360 know if it's something To job even wanted it at. 1004 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.800 ALL i don't know if any issues there. NOW i 1005 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.400 was told That taylor had quote unquote lost the locker 1006 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.639 room in the, players Including, jaw had tuned him. Out 1007 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.599 but guess, what that's the kind of thing that happens 1008 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.800 when you had the coach off at his knees by 1009 00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:05.000 making him cut his whole staff and bringing people that 1010 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.840 don't know and turn over the offense to people that 1011 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.559 he just. Met, like players aren't, dumb they can read 1012 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:13.559 the tea leaves on, that and so he lost the 1013 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.639 locker room To whiz who you, know of course he 1014 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:21.519 did you you you newtered the guy for everybody to. 1015 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.079 See so one of the other assistants they brought in 1016 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.960 didn't just keep his. Job he was elevated to the 1017 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.960 interim in This Tamasa Salo finnish coach who is now 1018 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.920 the interim head. Coach is what is your understanding as 1019 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.920 far as the difference between this coach and Then laroche 1020 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.280 who was. FIRED i, mean he obviously has the respect 1021 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.159 and admiration of somebody because he has the job. 1022 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:48.920 Now, yeah so he actually his system is much more 1023 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:52.880 pick and roll. Based you, know there are some creative 1024 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.079 elements of, that but again where they were setting by 1025 00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.159 far the fewest ball screens in THE, nba like ten 1026 00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:02.519 fuel per game anybody. Else his is more of a 1027 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.280 pick and roll based. System and, look Job joe doesn't 1028 00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.400 want to be off the ball and cutting and you, 1029 00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.760 know moving like joh wants to rock in his hands 1030 00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.559 and want he wants to have the keys and be in. 1031 00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.760 Charge and so they're going back to a more pick 1032 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.239 and roll based, offense you, know which obviously is more 1033 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.599 in line with everybody. Else in THE. Nba you. Know 1034 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.320 the interesting thing about, it, though is The grizzlies are you, 1035 00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.320 know when they made the, firings were the six ranks 1036 00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:34.000 offense in THE, nba and they had started to incorporate 1037 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.719 more of the pick and roll, stuff which is kind 1038 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.559 of a way to try to Appease jaw in the first. 1039 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.719 Place but the other thing Is joe is a mediocre 1040 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.920 pick and roll. Player over the course of his. Career 1041 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.599 points per possession when there's a pick and roll For 1042 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:53.199 jah zero point ninety, nine the ranks thirty ninth out 1043 00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:55.280 of fifty six skys who have had at least five 1044 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.880 thousand ball screen set forms since he started his. Career, 1045 00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:00.000 like that's like the epitome of. Media. 1046 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:03.039 OK i was shocked to read, that BECAUSE i think 1047 00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.400 the assumption is he's so impossible with his with the 1048 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:09.519 ball in his, hands whether IT'S iso or whether it's 1049 00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.840 with the assistance of a, screen that you would just, think, 1050 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:14.039 Dude John moran Being John moran is one of the 1051 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.760 elite scores off the ball screen in THE. NBA i 1052 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:17.639 was surprised to read that. 1053 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.400 Today, Well John moran is absolutely one of the best 1054 00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:24.239 transition players that may be the. BEST i, MEAN i 1055 00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.079 guess you, know we could talk About johannis with some other, 1056 00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:30.400 guys But John moran pushing the. Pace Jam moran in 1057 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.320 the open floor is without question one of the best, 1058 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:38.119 players one of the best offensive threats in THE. Nba you, 1059 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.599 know sometimes THE iso, Stuff, well If john can get, 1060 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.599 downhill there's no doubt he's. Awesome but pick and, roll, like, 1061 00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:46.280 dude you're just going to go under the screen on, 1062 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.920 Him like If john's going to step in the jump 1063 00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.199 shots playing pick and. Roll you live with that all day. 1064 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:54.920 Long and so when you can just go under a 1065 00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.159 screen kind of, guy it makes it a lot easier 1066 00:55:57.239 --> 00:55:57.639 to defend. 1067 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.960 Them so BEFORE i set you Lose, Tim, actually, no two. Questions, 1068 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.639 First Alex jensen of, course and you haad coach Of 1069 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.360 utah men's basketball is going to finish out the season 1070 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:10.000 with The Dallas mavericks In for a, MINUTE i thought 1071 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.599 that meant at the end of the regular, season are 1072 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:14.239 they going to be in the play? In how long 1073 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.000 Is alex going to be With? Dallas how long is 1074 00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:16.599 this season gonna? 1075 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:19.480 Last, well they'll be in the playing because The suns are. 1076 00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.480 SMOKED i don't know. That Kevin DURANT tm were playing 1077 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.119 in another, second and The sun's, UNIFORM i. CAN'T i mean, that, 1078 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.199 unfortunately was a very ugly role of the. Ankle the 1079 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.039 thing rolled all the way. OVER i just can't imagine 1080 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.360 it's coming back this. Season and obviously the anticipation is 1081 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.440 he's likely to get traded this, summer and you know, 1082 00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.079 so and The sun's scheduled down the stretch is. BRUTAL 1083 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.039 i just can't imagine The. Suns are you going to catch? 1084 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:46.039 Them and, look the manis right, now we're sitting in 1085 00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.360 the ninth. Place The kings are falling apart. Too SO 1086 00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:51.719 i think The mavericks are a playing. Team they might 1087 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:56.079 even host the first playing. Game you, KNOW i will 1088 00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:58.199 be shocked if they actually make it out of the play. 1089 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.800 In i'll be shocked if they because that would mean 1090 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.800 BEATING i, mean, hell it might end up Being memphis 1091 00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.840 Or Golden State clippers or The. Wolves it would be 1092 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:10.800 one of those four teams waiting in that and you, 1093 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:14.199 know the second, ROUND i guess you would call it 1094 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.679 the play. IN i, mean but it's the one game, 1095 00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.280 thing so you never. Know The mattericks might mess around 1096 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.199 and stumble their way and again Their butts worked in 1097 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:21.840 the first round of the. 1098 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:24.920 Playoffs you're hearing anything about who could make a play 1099 00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.679 For Taylor. Jenkins does he do A Quinn snyder sabbatical 1100 00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:29.719 down In Costa rica before he coaches? Again what do 1101 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:30.360 you think that looks? 1102 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.880 Like, well obviously we've got to see which jobs open. 1103 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.679 UP i Think taylor is going to be top of 1104 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:41.159 the the list in terms of available coaches this. Summer you, 1105 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:44.360 know one, job frankly is anticipated to be open as 1106 00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:48.880 The Phoenix. SUNS i think THAT i don't know that 1107 00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.440 he will be a top candidate for that, one in 1108 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:55.159 particular simply because he is A bud, protege and to 1109 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.679 Fire butt and replace them of one his potegees might 1110 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.480 be a little bit of a weird transit to make all? 1111 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:03.400 Right ten BEFORE i said you lose so almost on 1112 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.840 a weekly, basis The Western conference topically has become Like, 1113 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.800 Okay Oklahoma city is historically. Awesome who can make them? 1114 00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.400 Uncomfortable and over the past week and a, Half i've 1115 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.760 had more than a couple of guests actually offer Up. 1116 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.480 MINNESOTA i think we've heard a lot Of denver because 1117 00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.519 of course they Have jokic and The lakers have those 1118 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.800 two dudes In Golden state has looked different Since Jimmy. 1119 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.199 Butler but if you hone in on The, timberwolves who 1120 00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.679 probably are playing the best basketball they played all year, 1121 00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.960 long what sort of ceiling do you think they present 1122 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:31.599 come playoff? 1123 00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:35.159 Time, Yeah my thing with the Timber wolves is they 1124 00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.639 have one massive. Flaw that is they are a bad clutch. 1125 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:44.800 Team and, frankly it's because of in large, part Because Anthony. 1126 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.159 Edwards you, know his basketball immaturity shows up in those 1127 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.599 moments where he just reverts to playing complete hero, Ball 1128 00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.000 AND i just think it's really difficult to be a 1129 00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:59.039 bad clutch team and to make a playoff him because 1130 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:02.000 obviously you're going to have to win close. Games except 1131 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:04.079 FOR i get the series last year against The nuggets 1132 00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.000 where it was seven games of blowouts in each. Direction 1133 00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:11.079 but their team that went to The Western conference finals 1134 00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.519 last year obviously a little bit different Because cat's And 1135 00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.360 alonger there and that trade. Happened you, know they are 1136 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.519 a team that can be one of the best defensive 1137 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.360 teams in the. League so you know you have to 1138 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:25.719 at least respect him as somebody that's not going to 1139 00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.440 be an easy. OUT i. WOULD i would rank them 1140 00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.639 pretty far down the list of real threats to The. 1141 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.400 Thunder but, look, man whether It's minnesota or The, clippers 1142 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:40.280 maybe even The warriors or The, grizzlies it's not like 1143 00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:42.760 The thunder get some kind of lay up in the first. Round, 1144 00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:44.840 no they. 1145 00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.119 Don't they just continue to win at a really high. 1146 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:50.320 Clip all, right my, friend appreciate the time. Today have 1147 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.679 a great week wherever you're. Traveling do that safely and 1148 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:53.079 we'll chat. 1149 00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.039 TOO i appreciate ch having Civic man. 1150 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.400 Covers THE nba FOR. Espn he just released his first, 1151 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:02.400 Book The Boy Luka doncic in The curse Of. 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Now good stuff 1163 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.760 earlier From Tom Haber show And tim, McMahon but even 1164 01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.480 though It's, April The Madison marsh continues The Final FOUR Us, 1165 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.719 here our next, guest our college basketball north Star Ken, 1166 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.199 pomeroy of, Course kenpalm dot. Com, Ken Happy, tuesday. Man 1167 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:49.440 how are we? 1168 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.599 Doing we're doing, Great. Spans how are? 1169 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.760 You i'm, well so have you been able to take 1170 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.199 a few deep? Breaths are you currently joining us from 1171 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:58.960 a beach with your feet kicked up in a little 1172 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.199 drink With? Bbrella? Like where you at right? 1173 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:05.480 Now i'm In, Calgary, Alberta. 1174 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.440 Canada it's not warm, There. Ken what are you doing? 1175 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:13.599 THERE i don't. KNOW i don't. Know it's hard to, 1176 01:01:13.639 --> 01:01:18.480 explain but kind as far away from home AS i 1177 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.320 could as soon as the tournament. 1178 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.760 Started, Look i've got a brother in law From, Calgary. 1179 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.920 ALBERTA i went up there for the. Wedding it's a beautiful. 1180 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:26.960 Place but In. APRIL i, mean if we're dealing with 1181 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.519 snow and cold In Salt, lake what are you dealing 1182 01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:30.599 with up In calgary right? 1183 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:33.599 Now it's the same. Thing it's almost the exact same. 1184 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:34.239 Thing but. 1185 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:37.559 Just Like Salt, LAKE i think in next week it's 1186 01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:41.159 supposed to thaw out and spring will be here and 1187 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.599 So i'll still be. Here so that'll be. Awesome. 1188 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:46.719 KEN i hate to break it to, you BUT i 1189 01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:49.239 have a feather in my cap as far as my 1190 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.519 college basketball career. 1191 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:51.679 That you do. 1192 01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:52.559 Not are you ready for? 1193 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:54.159 It? Okay bring? 1194 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.320 It have you ever covered the college basketball crowd live 1195 01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:57.599 In Las? 1196 01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:04.159 Vegas? NO i mean, yeah there's only been one chance 1197 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:04.679 to do that so. 1198 01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:08.320 Far so, Congratulations, Ken Pop more Like Spence palm dot. 1199 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:11.000 Com i'm gonna start my own website, OBVIOUSLY i. Kid 1200 01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.039 do you have the context of the origin story for 1201 01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.320 this postseason tournament That utah basketball was in for one 1202 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:19.239 game before losing To? 1203 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.519 Butler that the ordin? STORY i, MEAN i think that's 1204 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:26.519 just like A tv cash grab For fox. 1205 01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:31.320 Right, yes BUT i wondered if somebody like you, knew, like, ultimately, 1206 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:33.400 hey why did this come? About we already have the 1207 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.599 N I t and THE, Cbi like maybe that's as 1208 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.159 simple as. THAT i thought maybe there was another side to. 1209 01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:40.559 It but if you don't, Know, ken nobody. 1210 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.239 Knows, NO i, mean THE NI t is AN espn, 1211 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:48.039 property And fox wanted they wanted in on the you 1212 01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:53.400 know massive SUB ncaa tournament demand you know that's out, There, 1213 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.639 spence and so they started their their own tournament With 1214 01:02:56.920 --> 01:03:00.760 it was expected to be all teams from you, know 1215 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.639 their power leagues that they have under, contract but that 1216 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.159 didn't quite work. Out so they had to invite a 1217 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.840 you know a few of these interlopers Like, butlers but 1218 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.800 they had to Invite Boise state and Whether George washington was, 1219 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.760 there and there's like three or four of that seems but, 1220 01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.320 yeah that's the, exciting that's the. STORY i, mean that's 1221 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:17.880 pretty much. 1222 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:18.119 All there is to. 1223 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:22.800 It, okay, well well let's just move on entirely, then 1224 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:26.039 and now that the season is in the, books we'll 1225 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:30.039 do some local stuff that we'll expand. Back now we'll 1226 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.519 expand back, to of, course the final four that's, ahead 1227 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.159 the tournament's taking. Place in some of your, takeaways And 1228 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.559 i'm going to just kind of give you a little. 1229 01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.480 Context and this is just simply my. Opinion it's not 1230 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:44.079 coming from a place of. Sourcing it's not a situation 1231 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:46.239 that anybody has informed me that this will be the. 1232 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:49.119 Approach but you, know on the show When i've talked 1233 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.679 to you about another. Guest since the news came down 1234 01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:53.960 That Mark carlin moved on From Craig smith And Alex 1235 01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.880 jensen became the Higher we're just doing our best to 1236 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:58.880 figure out what this new era is going to look, 1237 01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.000 like How alex is going to How alex is going 1238 01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:05.079 to approach, it and whether It's Josh, eiler the interim 1239 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:07.440 head coach who took over After craig was, fired with 1240 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.480 twenty years of experience in The Big twelve as a 1241 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.320 player in college and a coach in, college or a 1242 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.119 guy Like Jake kallen Or Keanu does who had his 1243 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.760 fifth double double in seven games After josh kind of 1244 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:19.800 played him in a way That craig just. Didn't we're 1245 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.719 just trying to figure out who will be, back if, 1246 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.719 Anybody And i'm starting to get the Sense ken. DID 1247 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:27.239 i don't think anybody's coming. BACK i don't think he's 1248 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.400 going to make hires off this current assistant coach coaching 1249 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.039 staff that's left coaching the, team And i'm not sure 1250 01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:35.360 he brings any of the players back. Either that's just my. 1251 01:04:35.440 --> 01:04:36.559 Guest tell me what your thoughts. 1252 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:39.679 Are, YEAH i mean that would be my hunch as. 1253 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.440 WELL i don't have any less knowledge about. THIS i 1254 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.719 didn't about the college basketball, ground but the way the 1255 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:48.559 way you do business these, days when you bring in 1256 01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.559 a new coaching staff or ringing a new coach to start, 1257 01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:54.800 WITH i, mean they rarely pulled over. Assistance, occasionally you 1258 01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.880 might get one who's willing to stay, over who might 1259 01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:01.880 have some you, know special recruiting knowledge or something like. 1260 01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:05.079 That or it might be a guy who's survived through 1261 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:07.400 multiple staffs and is a local. Institution but for the most, 1262 01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:09.960 part the staff changes, over AND i mean, lately for 1263 01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:13.599 the most, part the team change is, over you, know 1264 01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:18.599 not not necessarily. Entirely Chare calhoun was able to convince you, 1265 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.360 know two or three key players to stay At Utah, 1266 01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.280 state AND i was really important to. Him but you, 1267 01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.840 Know Danny sprinkle and he was. There he started over 1268 01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.599 the whole new team and that worked for him. Too 1269 01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.960 and so, YEAH i WOULDN'T i wouldn't count on much 1270 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.639 of the roster as much as the eligible roster coming. 1271 01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:35.960 BACK i, mean it does seem like you can certainly 1272 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:39.719 start over with the clean slate in this era of player. 1273 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.159 Movement but the flip side of that is, LIKE i 1274 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.079 don't know how much of a Honeymoon alex is gonna. 1275 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:46.480 GET i, mean he might get a little bit because 1276 01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:49.119 He's Alex. Fenson but you, know if you come out 1277 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.960 and you, know end up at the bottom of the 1278 01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:54.320 of The Big twelve next, year, like it's not going 1279 01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:56.960 to be a ton of patience for. THAT i wouldn't 1280 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.639 think just because you can go out and get players 1281 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:02.559 now there is there's no there's no longer a rebuilding. 1282 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:05.400 Situation you don't need three gears to build a. Roster 1283 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:08.000 you need know one year to kind of show what 1284 01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:08.840 you can do in the transfer. 1285 01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:11.760 Portal let me ask you whether you have The Ken 1286 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:14.679 palm metric in front of you or The Ken palm 1287 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:16.760 eye test in front of. You are any of these? 1288 01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:20.000 Players you? Know BECAUSE i keep reminding our audience and 1289 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.159 we forget, this and we even forget a little bit WITH, 1290 01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.559 Byu we'll get TO byu in a. Moment by us 1291 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.119 to pick to finish ninth in The Big, Twelve utah 1292 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.760 was picked to finish. Last so for a team that 1293 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:32.360 was picked to finish, last at least they didn't do. 1294 01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:34.719 THAT i, MEAN i guess that's where we're. At with 1295 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.159 the basketball program around here In Salt Lake, city so 1296 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:41.639 they did overshoot. Expectations but based off of the knowledge 1297 01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:43.480 you have of this roster and the games that you, 1298 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.320 watched are there players eligible to come back that you 1299 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:47.320 Think alex should go? 1300 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:51.480 After, WELL i guess i'd frame it like, that like, 1301 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:56.320 yeah like as are all. Stars he's A big twelve quality. 1302 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.719 PLAYER i don't, know like a starter, LEVEL i don't, 1303 01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.039 know but like he he could be on a roster 1304 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:04.800 at Other big twelve schools like Shrad johns can can 1305 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:05.159 play a. 1306 01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:08.679 Role after, that. 1307 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.480 You, know you're kind of, struggling like Can New DAWs 1308 01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:13.039 can play a, Role like a lot of these guys 1309 01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:18.199 can can play a, role but pretty easily. Replaceable advantage 1310 01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.599 of keeping them normally would, be like you do want 1311 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:22.519 continuity in your, Program like you want guys that have 1312 01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:24.639 been through the system, before and you don't have to you, 1313 01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:26.719 know piech a whole brand new group of ten. Guys 1314 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:29.239 you know how you want to play the. Game but 1315 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.039 obviously that's not a factor here because you know you 1316 01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.360 have a new coach and so you know you're gonna 1317 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.679 have to teach everybody a new system, Anyway so from that, 1318 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:40.639 standpoint there's not going to be a lot of incentive 1319 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.679 to bring back role. Players but you, know he somehow 1320 01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.719 could to Mental sorr to come. BACK i think that 1321 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:52.679 would be of some, value you, Know but certainly this 1322 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:54.960 roster is can just be heavily populated from from. 1323 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.320 Transfer, yeah for, sure for, sure. Don't only time will. 1324 01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:01.280 TELL i Think alex is indicated both publicly and privately 1325 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.480 that he is in no rush. Here he's going to 1326 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.360 take his time building this. Thing and he is still 1327 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.480 coaching Alongside Jason kidd and The Dallas mavericks who look 1328 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:11.559 like there actually will be in the play in Because 1329 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.519 phoenix is, unserious So alex won't be on the. Ground you, 1330 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.720 know he's obviously his. Working he's made two HighRes Wes 1331 01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:22.560 wilcox And Raphael. Chilius but you, know the rest of 1332 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.640 the stuff is going to take, time and it makes 1333 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:28.439 it impossible to analyze Who utah will be next year 1334 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.000 because we don't know who's going to play for. Them 1335 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:31.800 but let me ask you a question about The big, 1336 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.600 twelve because you read about Apparently kansas has a stacked recruiting. 1337 01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:39.399 Class houston's going to be awesome. Again B yu brings 1338 01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:41.359 in De. Banza i'm not going to tell you That i've, Got, 1339 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.600 LIKE i can't tell you WHO ucf is going. AFTER 1340 01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:46.600 i haven't done a deep dive on all, this but 1341 01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:49.319 this was not a conference that was the best team 1342 01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.840 in college basketball this year that went to the THE. 1343 01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:56.199 Sec but year and year, out The Big twelve is 1344 01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.079 going to, be if not at the, top close to the. 1345 01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:02.800 Top so what's ken expectation conference? Wide how strong will 1346 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:04.800 this conference be next year when alex is trying to 1347 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.479 make his way. 1348 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:09.319 Through year, One it'll still Be it'll be very difficult 1349 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:11.479 at the. Top like you mentioned the key. Players you 1350 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:13.920 can Throw arizona in, there you can Throw baylor in, 1351 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:15.880 there and they picked up a pretty nice transfer From 1352 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.760 Oregon state this. Week so all the all the teams you, 1353 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:24.039 mentioned except for PROBABLY ucf will still be you, know outstanding. 1354 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:27.079 TEAMS i think the one, thing you, know the one 1355 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:29.359 one of the reasons utahisticked last in the league was 1356 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.039 partly because not much was expected from, them but also 1357 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.159 because there it wasn't obvious like who the worst team 1358 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:37.479 would be in the, League like all the teams were were. 1359 01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:40.079 Decent you, know there wasn't a team that you look 1360 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.159 at and, like, oh, yeah that's that's gonna be an easy, 1361 01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.960 win and it'll probably be the case again next. YEAR i, 1362 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.399 MEAN i THINK i think this year was somewhat of 1363 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:51.840 an aberration with THE sec being as strong as it, 1364 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:54.039 was but certainly the top three, leagues you, know THE, 1365 01:09:54.079 --> 01:09:56.279 sec The big twelve To big. TEN i, mean what 1366 01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.760 we're seeing from those three leagues is that almost every 1367 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.560 team in all those leagues has some, talent and so 1368 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:06.920 there are so on the one, hand when you're picked 1369 01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:09.880 last in the, league, yeah you can. Overachieve like there's 1370 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:13.520 probably like seven or eight candidates heading into this last 1371 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.199 season that you know could have been picked last for 1372 01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.680 the league and you thought did overachieved to some. Extent 1373 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:21.960 the negative is that learn an easy wins out. There 1374 01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.600 so if, SOMEHOW i, mean it's great that the alex 1375 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:27.960 is taking its, time AND I i guess in some 1376 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.640 RESPECT i admire that he was able to work out 1377 01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:32.960 this relationship where he could finish things out with The 1378 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.960 mavericks and somehow still be the head coach At. Utah 1379 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.760 but you, know he's still on the trigger to fill 1380 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:42.119 out a, roster and it doesn't take long before a 1381 01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.800 lot of these you, know attractive transfers are. Gone, YEAH i, 1382 01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:48.640 COULD i would be a little bit concerned about how 1383 01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:49.279 next year is going to. 1384 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:53.199 Go, yeah you, know trying to talk realistically to you 1385 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.640 fans about year. ONE i think it's important because expectations 1386 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.920 knew need to be set. Appropriately but to your, point 1387 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:03.159 can BECAUSE i used to, SAY i can remember WHEN, 1388 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:08.279 byu When Broncko manahall LEFT byu For virginia and most 1389 01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:12.720 anybody that understood what could come next landing On coloni rather, 1390 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:18.199 Quickly And i've talked about this With Larry, Scoviak Jim. Boylan, 1391 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.560 coaches typically the narrative is in college's, like all, right 1392 01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:24.680 they need four, years give them four, years because that 1393 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.680 way they get their recruiting cycle in over a four year. 1394 01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.439 Period and sometimes here it's even more complicated because you 1395 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.079 have the mission stuff and sometimes you need more than 1396 01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.199 that to let you, know recruits that you dialed in 1397 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.560 when they were seventeen or eighteen that serve a, mission 1398 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.960 you need an extra couple of years then to get 1399 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:41.640 back so you can see what sort of hand they've been. 1400 01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.439 Dealt what Is what is your take on how long 1401 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.720 a coach needs now in order to prove to a 1402 01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.039 community that he was the right hire because you don't 1403 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:52.920 to your, point you don't need three or four years 1404 01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:55.319 anymore to develop a program and build a. 1405 01:11:55.359 --> 01:12:00.439 Team, YEAH i look at this during the season in terms, 1406 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:03.720 of you, know what happens really in year one relatives 1407 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:05.600 to like, expectation there are coaches. 1408 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:07.119 That do not meet. 1409 01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:11.279 Expectations can you write them off? Immediately and there was 1410 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:15.680 actually a parent amount of predictability, there like you can't 1411 01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:17.840 completely write them off if they. Don't and SO i, 1412 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.279 guess like relative to, expectations like you thought the expectation 1413 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:22.600 coming to this next, SEASON i, mean you know it's 1414 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:25.560 gonna be bottom quarter of the of the. Conference but 1415 01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.600 if they were to end up, ranked say one hundred 1416 01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:30.720 and sixtieth in my, ratings you know they'll probably like pre, 1417 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:33.439 season let's say, eightieth they end up like one hundred and, 1418 01:12:33.479 --> 01:12:35.439 sixtieth that would be that would be a pretty bad. 1419 01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:38.359 Sign like not you, know not so much that you're 1420 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:40.960 going to fire a guy after one, year but there 1421 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:43.560 are reasons for concern at that. Point and again it's 1422 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.640 not true for. Everyone you can find rare one offs 1423 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:50.279 for guys flip it in year two and over achieve after, 1424 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:53.880 that and it's not really clear like what the transfer portal, 1425 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:58.600 era how that changes this. Dynamic but certainly if you 1426 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:01.039 under achieve, early not a Great if you over receive, 1427 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:05.319 early probably a really good. Sign so you don't want 1428 01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:06.600 to put the heat on a guy in year. One 1429 01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:08.439 but at the same, time history would tell you that, 1430 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.880 actually like you, can you can learn a lot about 1431 01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:13.000 a guy in their first, year. 1432 01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:17.720 And you can learn a lot about coaching, styles, Right 1433 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.600 LIKE i do think it's fair to say to youth 1434 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:23.279 fans curious to know what this will look like Under 1435 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:26.159 alex that, well number, one you have to have. Horses 1436 01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:28.640 there's no such thing as a great coach without great. Players, 1437 01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:32.119 okay so That's alex's first, task and the transfer portal is. 1438 01:13:32.199 --> 01:13:35.359 Open we've already seen big names sign and big names 1439 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:38.720 transfer and. Decide but what do you anticipate based off 1440 01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:41.000 of your knowledge Of alex in his time with The, 1441 01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.119 jazz in a couple of years With, dallas and of 1442 01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.800 course being a, pedigree, uh you, know a PROTEGES i 1443 01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.520 should say Of rick majeris what, schematically conceptually do you 1444 01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:52.800 think the type of Coach alex will be for youth 1445 01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:54.159 fans to kind of expect next. 1446 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:59.000 YEAR i, mean that's a great, question and it's somewhat 1447 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:02.000 of a mystery BECAUSE i think until you are fully 1448 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:05.600 in charge of running a program or running a, team 1449 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.399 you never really know what a guy's gonna. DO i 1450 01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.920 would HAVE i would, imagine, yeah it's really, Odest LIKE 1451 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:15.920 i would imagine he's like heavily into the time Of, 1452 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.439 Jaris like that would that would standard. Reason The jarish 1453 01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.159 style really like cuts against the grain of what you, 1454 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:27.119 know most young coaches are are doing these. Days like 1455 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:31.079 The jarrifs was very much, about you, know controlling the 1456 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:35.119 tempo and preventing. TRANSITION i mean that was like probably 1457 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:38.479 his you know One hallmark was, like he's not going 1458 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:42.199 to give up transition, buckets and so he didn't really 1459 01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.760 attack the offensive. Class offensive possessions took a long. Time 1460 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:51.359 defensive possessions took even. Longer hard to really hard to 1461 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:54.680 really have a super successful offense if you're not willing 1462 01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:56.279 to take shots early in the shot, clock if you're 1463 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:58.800 not willing to take a lot of three, pointers and 1464 01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:03.399 so you'd have to, think you, know THE nba experience 1465 01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:08.560 Of Alex jnsen would alter that somewhat like obviously you 1466 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:10.199 know some of Those jazz teams he was on the 1467 01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:12.600 bench floor took a ton of three, pointers and so 1468 01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.039 he should be comfortable with. That SO i don't know 1469 01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.560 exactly what he's gonna still hold over, from you, know 1470 01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:21.760 playing for and coaching Under, majeris and you know what 1471 01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:24.000 he's gonna bring with him from THE, nba but hopefully 1472 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.039 it is more of the latter outside than the. 1473 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:30.000 Former All, right moving over now to B yu before 1474 01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.439 we get to what could be next for, them because 1475 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.079 you know if you'd fit and, look It's i'm always 1476 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.479 careful WHEN i try to try to draw these, parallels 1477 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:42.399 but it only takes one big time commit and recruit 1478 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.319 to put your program on the. Retrojectory because when a 1479 01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:47.760 player Like ajed De banta decides to play for you 1480 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:53.479 and announces that on first, TAKE i ultimately immediately ups 1481 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.560 the visibility of your, program and other players want to 1482 01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.159 play for you and with aj and by using the 1483 01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:01.439 mix with some other. Is but before we get, there 1484 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:05.119 my question with The alabama game is, simple because it 1485 01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:08.920 was you who brought up the dynamic Of Brigham young's 1486 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:12.159 lack of three point. Defense you know that was a 1487 01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:15.880 metric you had that indicated They're they're not just, bad 1488 01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.520 they're one of the worst teams in college. Basketball so 1489 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:22.399 Did alabama make shots at a historic level or DID 1490 01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.319 byu fail guarding the three point line or somewhere in. 1491 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:30.399 Between, YEAH i mean all those factors came into. Play 1492 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:35.079 it was kind of stunning because, obviously how how you 1493 01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:37.199 defend the three point line is is a choice that 1494 01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:38.439 you can make game by. Game you don't have to 1495 01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:40.960 do the same thing every. GAME i, mean, YEAH byu 1496 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.079 had this long. Trend they actually finished the season fourteenth 1497 01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:46.359 in terms of fourteenth highest in terms of the amount 1498 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.880 of three pointers they, Allowed and so obviously that came 1499 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:58.119 into play in this. Game that, said, Like alabama also 1500 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:03.199 was just unrealistically hot for the entire. GAME i, mean 1501 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.479 there's nothing wrong with allowing a lot of three point of. Times, so, 1502 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:08.000 like in, general it's kind of a sort of a 1503 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.600 sort of a stylistic. Choice and we've seen really good, 1504 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:16.520 Coaches Jim bayhein perhaps most, notably you, know play a 1505 01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:21.199 style of defense that allows. That it's just a little 1506 01:17:21.199 --> 01:17:24.000 bit different when you Allow alabama to do. That because 1507 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.640 they're so willing to take shots early in the shot, 1508 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:30.399 clock they're willing to take shots from three or four 1509 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:34.000 feet beyond the three point. Line you, know they have 1510 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:35.800 four or five guys on the court that are all 1511 01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:40.039 willing to shoot. It so, YEAH i mean it was 1512 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.319 it was certainly there's something a choice that what you, 1513 01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:45.439 made and it could have worked out like they you, 1514 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:48.800 KNOW i really actually thought even in the second half 1515 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.439 that Like alabama was eventually going to go on a 1516 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:52.359 run where they missed like ten in a row or 1517 01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:53.920 something and by you would get back in the, game 1518 01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.399 and it just it just never. Happened it just seemed 1519 01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:58.520 like this YEAR'S yu team is a little more capable 1520 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:02.319 of instead of relying on kind of a gimmick and you, 1521 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.520 know forcing their opponent or allowing their opponents to take 1522 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:07.359 fifty three. Pointers you, know they could play more straight, 1523 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:09.840 up more aggressive. Defense you, know they have a little 1524 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:12.319 bit of rim protection in the, middle so that if 1525 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:14.520 you Forced Mark seriers are driving the paint like you're 1526 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.760 not necessarily you, know just going to give up an 1527 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:21.279 easy bucket to. Somebody so, yeah, OVERALL i thought it 1528 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:23.439 was just a little. Puzzling there was never really an 1529 01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:24.079 adjustment made. 1530 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:27.279 There and on the other, Side alabama sold out to 1531 01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.000 take away the, three And by you still continue to 1532 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:33.159 hunt for the three because they were getting their asses. 1533 01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:34.640 Kick you got to get back in the. GAME i 1534 01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:38.600 get that six of thirty from three to twenty. Percent 1535 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:41.520 And fos played seven minutes and in the seven minutes he, 1536 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.840 played he went three of. Four he had nine points four. 1537 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:46.640 Rebounds like you AND i discussed, This one of the 1538 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:49.680 things THAT i thought that made THIS byu team different 1539 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:51.760 and a little bit more potent and dangerous than the 1540 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.560 one a year ago that went to the tournament also 1541 01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:56.720 as a sixth, seed IF i remember, correctly was their 1542 01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:59.600 ability to beat in different. Ways what do you make 1543 01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.199 of what they did or did not do offensively to 1544 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.800 counter What alabama took away from, them which was selling 1545 01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:06.119 out the. 1546 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.880 Three, yeah, ultimately you. CAN'T i don't think you can 1547 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:13.399 Fall by's offense too. Much they finished up the night 1548 01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.319 scoring one point one points per, posession which is a 1549 01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:20.680 little above the national, average and you, know against the 1550 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:25.199 top LEVEL sec team is pretty. IMPRESSIVE i, mean, really 1551 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.239 you don't have to overcomplicate too, much like they put 1552 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:29.920 eighty eight points on the, board like you should be 1553 01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:32.359 In you should be in the game if you're scoring 1554 01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:34.399 eighty eight. POINTS i, mean you should be winning the, game, 1555 01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.239 really but at least be in the, game and they 1556 01:19:37.239 --> 01:19:39.880 weren't even close to, that which is just. Stunning SO 1557 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:42.399 i think you got just about everything you could get 1558 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.439 from the. Offense obviously they could have stopped the three, 1559 01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:47.960 better but we've talked about this, Too like the thing 1560 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.800 that made THE yu offense so good this year was 1561 01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:53.760 that they could survive without making three point. Shots, like 1562 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.920 when they made three point, shots they were explosive and 1563 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:57.840 they could beat just about. Anybody but even when they 1564 01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.479 weren't making, threes they were one of the best two 1565 01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:03.079 point shooting teams in the, country number twenty seven to 1566 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.960 forty two on two point shots Against, Alabama SO i 1567 01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:09.840 would guess that's the best performance on two pointers That 1568 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:14.279 alabama allowed all. Season so, yeah the offense was was. 1569 01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:19.399 FINE i do. SHARE i share your bewilderment, about you, 1570 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:22.159 Know foos not getting more. MINUTES i think that was 1571 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:24.439 it was always the story of his. CAREER i mean 1572 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:26.119 it was whether It's Kevin young Or Mark. Pope it 1573 01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:29.239 was like he would always put up pretty good numbers 1574 01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:31.159 for the minutes that he. Played AND i realized he 1575 01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:33.039 was kind of an unorthodox, player BUT i always felt 1576 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:38.199 like he was, clearly you, know a big twelve level type. 1577 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:42.239 Player and, yeah it's kind of a shame you never 1578 01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:45.239 really got, TO i guess, play you, know be the the, 1579 01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:48.000 man be the starting, center and play twenty five thirty 1580 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:49.880 minutes a. Game he never really got that opportunity in his. 1581 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.640 Career so it's clear that year one Under Kevin, young 1582 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:56.079 proof of concept is, there and it worked and they 1583 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:58.359 had a good. Year but it's also clear that it's 1584 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:00.840 not JUST. Byu because one of the other things that 1585 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:03.680 you talked about on the show as we were helping 1586 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:06.760 people fill out their brackets is, hey the top seeds 1587 01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:08.680 and here we are with four and we'll get there 1588 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:12.560 four seeds in the final. Four, Now so it wasn't JUST. 1589 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.359 Byu but there are levels to this. Stuff and WHEN 1590 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:17.840 byu ran up against you, know one of the top 1591 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:20.319 one or two seeds in this, tournament whether it Was 1592 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:23.359 houston in the regular season Or alabama in the, tournament 1593 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:25.159 it was clear that there was a gap and there 1594 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.920 are there are levels to this and there are different 1595 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:31.840 types of styles and teams and bigger teams and faster 1596 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.119 teams and stronger. Teams so with The bans coming in 1597 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:38.720 and potentially getting the bulk of this roster, Back Cannon 1598 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.840 catchings is at the transfer. PORTAL i Think iegor is. 1599 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:44.399 LEAVING i JUST i think he. SHOULD i thought he 1600 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.560 had a GREAT ncaa tournament. Run most of the mock 1601 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.479 DRAFTS i see indicate that he is a lottery. Pick 1602 01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:52.359 how DOES byu close the gap to go from a 1603 01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:54.640 really good team that made A sweet sixteen run to 1604 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:56.640 a team that doesn't look like they are A jv 1605 01:21:56.760 --> 01:21:57.840 team against The houston Or. 1606 01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:02.399 Alabama, YEAH i think THEY'RE i think they're. CLOSE i 1607 01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:04.159 MEAN i really think it was a step forward this, 1608 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.479 year you, know just getting to The sweet sixteen in 1609 01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:08.600 the first, place with some of the wins they had 1610 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.880 and dig twelve. Play, ALSO i think we're pretty impressive 1611 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.159 and demonstrated that they've they've taken a step. FORWARD i 1612 01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:16.880 mean we've talked about the offense not just being a 1613 01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:19.000 one trick pony in terms of three point, shooting but 1614 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:22.159 able to score uh in the paint as. WELL i, 1615 01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:24.760 mean the offense was, just you, know super fun to. 1616 01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:26.760 Watch AND i mean one guy WHO i thought had 1617 01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.560 a great. TOURNAMENT i Mean devin was, fine but Like Richie, 1618 01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.039 SAUNDERS i, mean to, me he looked like he was 1619 01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:34.359 the one guy in That alabama. Game they really looked 1620 01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:37.560 like he, belonged you, know y on both sides of the. 1621 01:22:37.560 --> 01:22:41.239 Court so so, YEAH i think there should be a 1622 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.560 lot of, Optimism like you're not gonna probably get this 1623 01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:47.159 whole roster, back but if you get the main pieces, back, 1624 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:51.439 yeah it's. UH i think there's reasons reasons for. Optimism you, 1625 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:53.119 know you're always gonna. Focus, yeah you can focus on 1626 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:55.199 Those houston. Games you can focus on The alabama. GAME 1627 01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:59.640 i Mean, houston they were like probably won't not be 1628 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.279 remembered way but one loss and dig twelve, play you, 1629 01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:06.319 know really an historically good, team you, know in the 1630 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:11.039 modern era of guys going pro and massive player. MOVEMENT i, 1631 01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:14.279 mean this is a historically good team that unfortunately also 1632 01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:16.119 has to play a historically good team against you, know 1633 01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:17.880 in the final. Four so, again they might not be 1634 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.960 remembered for, that BUT i wouldn't take those losses too. Hard, like, 1635 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:23.960 YEAH ba is not a top five team in the. 1636 01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.680 Country we get it, There they're in that twenty to thirty, 1637 01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:29.680 Range but that's a tremendous step, forward AND i think, 1638 01:23:29.720 --> 01:23:31.520 again you keep that, right you, know keep this roster 1639 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:35.640 bring in To, bonsa especially with a veteran roster Like, 1640 01:23:36.720 --> 01:23:39.399 YEAH i THINK i think next year could be pretty very. 1641 01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:41.479 Promising not a top five, team but you, know if 1642 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.319 they're in that ten to fifteen, range that's you. 1643 01:23:44.319 --> 01:23:45.079 Know it's gonna be one of the best. 1644 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:45.600 Teams i've ever. 1645 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:51.600 Had final four gets rolling On saturday and you you called. It, 1646 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:53.720 YEAH i can remember you saying, that like there's a 1647 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:57.239 gap between the top teams and everybody. Else was it 1648 01:23:57.279 --> 01:23:59.359 two thousand and eight the last time this has. Happened 1649 01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:01.520 we have all four number one seeds in the, tournament 1650 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:05.119 which for people like me that picked up sets because you, 1651 01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:08.920 Know i've watched the tournament, before it's not great for our. 1652 01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:13.079 Brackets BUT i think we've got two absolute dog fight basketball. 1653 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:16.239 Games so what's the ken pob take for number one? 1654 01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:17.760 Seeds and how do you see the rest of the 1655 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:18.840 thing plan out? With who do you? 1656 01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:23.279 Like, YEAH i, mean it's just it hasn't been much 1657 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:27.960 interesting tournament and we're being, honest like not very few. 1658 01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:31.640 UPSETS i, MEAN i think the biggest upset at the 1659 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:35.079 tournament was What arkansas are Geting Saint, john's which you, 1660 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:38.039 know hard to. Paint John calipari is some sort of 1661 01:24:39.399 --> 01:24:44.840 underdog or Sympathetic cinderella. Figure so there's been, that and 1662 01:24:44.840 --> 01:24:46.279 then most of the a lot of the games just 1663 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:48.279 haven't been. Closed it'd be one thing if you didn't 1664 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:49.560 have a lot of upsets and there were a lot 1665 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:52.079 of close, games but they really haven't been that many close, 1666 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:54.920 games and that kind of speaks to the way the 1667 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:58.840 regular season, unfolded especially for these really top four to. 1668 01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:02.279 Eighteens is certainly the top four, team so so hopefully 1669 01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:04.640 we get a little more drama in the final. Four 1670 01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.680 it's interesting that The Duke houston game is the second 1671 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:11.479 game in the lineup On. SATURDAY i, mean that is 1672 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:15.720 going to be a difficult game to. WATCH i Fear 1673 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.600 houston first of, all just to you, know play an 1674 01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:22.840 exceptionally slow pace on both sides of the, ball and 1675 01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:25.439 you got a taste of that really in their last two, 1676 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:27.800 games but certainly in The sweet sixteen game Against, perdue 1677 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:29.880 which ends, up you, know being one of those close. 1678 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:31.520 Games it did come down to the, wire but also 1679 01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.680 it was just a, brutal you, know fifty seven possession 1680 01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:37.960 grind with a final score of sixty two to Sixty 1681 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:39.600 that kind of takes you back to like pre shot 1682 01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:43.159 clock era, basketball you, know not the way college basketball 1683 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:44.600 wants to be viewed at this. POINT i fear The 1684 01:25:44.680 --> 01:25:46.439 Duke houston game is going to be the same. Way 1685 01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:50.560 it's going to be very. Physical duke a little more modern. 1686 01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:52.359 Offense they will push the pace a, little but their 1687 01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:55.119 defense is forced the longest possessions of any team in 1688 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:56.960 the country this, year and he saw a little taste 1689 01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.000 of that Against. Allabamba not that that was a slow paced, 1690 01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.680 game but you did hear the shot clock buzzer go 1691 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:03.800 off a few times for The Crimson, tide which was 1692 01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:06.800 something that would have, been you, know unthinkable in THE yu. 1693 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.560 Game so do gets a way to grind it out 1694 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:12.479 defensively as, Well so that's you, KNOW i, Mean clear 1695 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:16.399 has a clear, advantage you, know just more talent pretty 1696 01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:20.720 much one through. Seven but it's gonna be extremely, physical 1697 01:26:20.920 --> 01:26:23.880 AND i fear a low scoring. Games so it's gonna 1698 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:25.760 be hard to imagine due getting the kind of separation 1699 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:28.079 Against houston that they got Against. 1700 01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:32.239 Alabama is there like A World curling tournament In calgary 1701 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:34.239 with the way my mind. WORKS i have not moved 1702 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:37.600 off our opening, topic And i'm just wondering why you're. 1703 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:38.479 There is it curling? 1704 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.600 Related you're getting, Warmer you're getting, warmer so then. 1705 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.319 Okay fair enough man an international man of, Mystery ken pom, Roy, 1706 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.920 hey thanks for the, Time Bud. Tell let's hit our 1707 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:49.560 listeners with the. Website how can they get your? 1708 01:26:49.560 --> 01:26:55.199 Work, yeah kenpom dot. Com, SORRY i forgot the name 1709 01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.039 of my website or second. Play, no it's kenpon dot. Com, 1710 01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.760 uh twenty five dollars for twelve months of of. Data 1711 01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:03.760 so if you sign up to day you'll get it 1712 01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:07.640 for all next, season in the entire, tournament well almost 1713 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:09.399 the entire tournament through the final four it, Right so 1714 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:10.000 there you. 1715 01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.239 Go well you needed to fill out the. Bracket, okay 1716 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:14.680 when you're back in, STUDIO i have a lot of 1717 01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.720 off air questions about your, trip but for Now i'll 1718 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:18.000 set you loose and say thanks for the. 1719 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.880 Time all, right you Bet, spence thanks for hatting me. 1720 01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.720 On we are kicking it back live in studio here 1721 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:26.880 in Downtown Salt Lake, City, utah after our quick foray 1722 01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:30.560 To Las vegas for the show yesterday for The utah 1723 01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.880 men's basketball experience and The College Basketball, crown which only 1724 01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:37.119 lasted one. Game we'll switch gears, now we'll do a 1725 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:40.399 little soccer on A tuesday afternoon WITH rsl taking on 1726 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.560 The galaxy coming up On, saturday two thirty Pm Mountain. 1727 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:47.000 Kick that's a nice little afternoon start. Time and the 1728 01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:50.119 head coach OF, rsl what's going, on? Dude are you 1729 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:53.039 drawing the short this short straw every? Week are they 1730 01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:54.920 making you come on and talk to? Me because nobody 1731 01:27:54.920 --> 01:27:56.000 else wants to discuss this. 1732 01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:01.039 STUFF i don't, know but now that you say, that, 1733 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:04.479 no it's, uh it's a part of the, gig, man it's. Great, 1734 01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:08.039 yeah we'll talk and and have some good discourse over 1735 01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:10.479 some of the things that's going. On AND i got 1736 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:13.119 SOME i got some good background to all the things 1737 01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:13.920 That i'm sure you want to. 1738 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.640 Know all, Right, well that's good stuff, because, uh you 1739 01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:19.680 know the background THAT rsl fans are wondering. About are 1740 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:23.880 these players that apparently are on the way to help you. 1741 01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:27.119 Out and you, know every TIME i have these, conversations it's. 1742 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:29.439 DIFFERENT i approach you differently If i'm talking To kurt 1743 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:32.119 Or jason Or tony or you because you're the, coach 1744 01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.800 and it's technically not your, job but you're the one 1745 01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:37.840 that feels to me is behind the eight ball because 1746 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:40.279 of the lack of talent in the. Attack that's just my. 1747 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:42.560 Opinion where are we, At? Pablo what are these players 1748 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:43.079 going to be on the? 1749 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:47.119 Ground, yeah so, Again, SPENCE i WISH i had some 1750 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:51.000 better news for you as far as definitive, answers but 1751 01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:55.880 BUT i. Don't you, know we looked at another another player, 1752 01:28:55.960 --> 01:29:00.520 yesterday and again these. Things the great thing, is there's 1753 01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.600 so many things That i've said this before that that 1754 01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:06.600 have to. Align and and so even when if we 1755 01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:08.880 close the, deal it's still going to be another month. 1756 01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:12.159 Away and so like to your point about you know 1757 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:16.479 that that's not my. REMIT i got to constantly figure 1758 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:18.720 out different ways to do, that you. Know and and 1759 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.359 so you, know so if you're if the tip of 1760 01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:24.000 your spear isn't isn't the sharpest, right and you're not 1761 01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:26.880 able to score the goals that that you need to win, 1762 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:29.079 games and then What i'm saying is we just got 1763 01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:31.199 to get better on the defensive. End but it's a 1764 01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:34.199 it's a catch twenty, two, right because if you do 1765 01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:37.439 concede first then the hope and the confidence of the 1766 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:40.159 group dwindles because they know that the tip of the 1767 01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.920 spear isn't isn't the sharpest, Right and so it's it's 1768 01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:47.600 constantly and and deal and just managing emotions and, saying, 1769 01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.800 okay this is that we we just got to get 1770 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:51.600 back to compete in the right way and defending our 1771 01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:54.920 box the right, way and, hopefully if we if we 1772 01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:59.039 get some results with with a great mindset and defending the, 1773 01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:02.279 box when the tip of the spear finally, arrives we're 1774 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:04.159 going to be. Flying and so that's the Way i'm 1775 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:07.920 processing all, this because the truth IS i don't know 1776 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.840 when it's going to, happen and there's a chance if it, 1777 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:14.520 happens but this is a situation that we're currently in 1778 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.960 and we got to do the best we can and 1779 01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:20.520 put our heads together to find a solution in the. 1780 01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.840 Interim so you just referenced something THAT i find really. 1781 01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:28.319 Interesting and because this is a complicated, thing no part 1782 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:29.800 of me would want to put you in a position 1783 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.399 where you're talking poorly about your locker room and the 1784 01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:35.239 group that you have to. COACH i, mean the players 1785 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.039 that you have at your disposal are the ones you 1786 01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.920 have to, maximize but you reference when the group knows 1787 01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:42.920 the tip of the spear isn't very sharp when you 1788 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:45.039 go down a, man or excuse, me when you go 1789 01:30:45.079 --> 01:30:46.520 down a. Goal, WELL i guess a couple of games 1790 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:48.279 ago you go down a, Man but when you go 1791 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:53.800 down a, goal it feels almost insurmountable because the group 1792 01:30:53.880 --> 01:30:57.319 knows that the potency isn't there in? Attack is the 1793 01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:00.680 confidence of the group taking a? Hit do they realize 1794 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:04.760 that the solutions that you have up top right now 1795 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.039 are not the right ones given the results so? 1796 01:31:07.159 --> 01:31:09.199 Far, yeah you, know. 1797 01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:13.960 And again it's, yes, LISTEN i think you. Know soccer, 1798 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.239 players you, know are some of the smartest workforces in 1799 01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:22.880 in sports only because they're so well traveled and they 1800 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:26.199 they see life from a different, perspective so like everyone 1801 01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:28.560 is real privy to. It and the other part of that, 1802 01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.560 is you, know the guys that we do have up 1803 01:31:31.640 --> 01:31:34.760 top are twenty twenty one and twenty years, old, right 1804 01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:37.359 and so, like it's not fair to those guys who 1805 01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:41.119 would typically thrive if there was there was an experienced 1806 01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:44.600 player that had accomplished a. Lot that's when players do 1807 01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:49.039 their best learning right when their peers are these examples. 1808 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:48.840 For them to. 1809 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.600 Follow but putting the burden on twenty year old and 1810 01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:53.600 a twenty one year old guys that are just cutting 1811 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:56.439 their teeth in the professional game isn't fair. Either and 1812 01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:58.800 that's why i'm that's why i'm you, know sit with 1813 01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:02.319 the leadership of today and, say we've just got to find. Solutions, 1814 01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:05.760 Right we've got to take the brunt of the. Responsibility 1815 01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.920 and OBVIOUSLY i THINK i think most of that, right 1816 01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:11.920 and we've got to, like we've got to look at this. 1817 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:16.359 Differently and so, again if, if, if if you're struggling 1818 01:32:16.359 --> 01:32:18.840 in the, attack then you've got to fortify the. Defense 1819 01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:21.199 and that's got to be our mantra to get us 1820 01:32:21.199 --> 01:32:23.760 through because, again if we go into halftime at zero, 1821 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:27.840 zero again there's set pieces that you, know We gego 1822 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:31.039 And diego are capable of scoring, goals but obviously that's 1823 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:34.439 not they're a strong point. Either they're they're more goal 1824 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.840 facilitators in the are goal. Scorers so we we've got 1825 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.600 to find a way through committee and through managing the 1826 01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:44.159 game the right way and have a collective understanding that 1827 01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:46.479 we've got to get to halftime zero zero and if 1828 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:49.159 we're up one. Zero that's that's a. Bonus but we've 1829 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.199 got to get there zero. Zero so now we can 1830 01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:56.319 start to like really grind these teams, down create pressure 1831 01:32:56.439 --> 01:33:00.800 through our possession and find the way into the. Net 1832 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.239 so that's that's the way we're talking about it, internally 1833 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.359 and you, know just meeting with the leadership, group you, 1834 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:10.800 know once a week and making sure that we readjust 1835 01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:14.000 our focus on not what we don't, have but what 1836 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:16.399 we can be really good at in the strength of our. 1837 01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:20.199 Group all, right one more question in this, space then 1838 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:22.840 we'll move, on because you, know at some point we 1839 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:25.560 have to talk about what we're dealing, with what's in 1840 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:27.560 front of. Us as you, know that's all you can 1841 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.239 all you can actually deal. With But i'm gonna list 1842 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:35.600 it MAN K Kurt, Schmidt jason Christ Tony, Beltran Pablo, 1843 01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:39.359 mastuenni an unnamed, source little birdie cute little, bird very small. 1844 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:42.720 BIRD i can't tell you, who but it seems like 1845 01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:45.159 everybody over there has told me over the past month 1846 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:47.079 like we are a few days away from getting this 1847 01:33:47.079 --> 01:33:50.039 stuff across the. Line and you know, this but for our, 1848 01:33:50.079 --> 01:33:54.479 listeners the primary transfer window closes three weeks From, thursday 1849 01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:57.920 three weeks From, Thursday so like we've got to stop messing. 1850 01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:00.319 Around to your, point like you can have the idea 1851 01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:02.760 of bringing this player into that player and then something 1852 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:04.720 gets in the way and it's two or three weeks. Later, Well, 1853 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:07.760 pablo if it's two or three weeks, later now it's 1854 01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:11.159 not happening until the. Summer so have you been given 1855 01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:14.000 any sort of an assurance that at, least you, know 1856 01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:17.720 within this window Before april twenty third comes and, goes 1857 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:20.399 you will have better talent your disposal to. 1858 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:28.479 Coach, yes but again until until it's, Arrived, spence you, 1859 01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:31.840 know it's just there's just no, guarantees, right there's just no, 1860 01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:36.199 guarantees and there's different mechanisms that you, know we can 1861 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:39.920 go internally within the league and find you, know a 1862 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:43.319 proven goal, scorer you, know and and, again and the 1863 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:46.279 one THING i will promise is when this goal scorer does, 1864 01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.600 arrive when this it's going to take the pressure off. 1865 01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:52.560 Everyone and now you can have everyone playing with a 1866 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:56.960 sense of freedom and and and and players playing authentic 1867 01:34:57.000 --> 01:34:59.239 to where to who they. Are you, KNOW i think 1868 01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:02.439 in this, moment you, know sometimes you, Know Diego luna 1869 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:04.680 is trying to do too much to make the game 1870 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:08.319 when if he just does his, job he's an excellent creative. 1871 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:10.800 Player but if he struggles to find someone to link 1872 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:13.439 with higher up the field that can take the pressure off, 1873 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.560 him you, know it's, difficult and so you so at the, 1874 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:21.239 moment you're also seeing guys trying to overplay and guys 1875 01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:23.640 trying to do too much in the absence of this 1876 01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:27.319 of a player that's not even. Here so but there 1877 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:29.960 Has but again we're talking about. It LIKE i said, 1878 01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:34.199 yesterday we identified another player that hopefully we can. Secure 1879 01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:37.800 but until that player, arrives it's it's it's tough to 1880 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.199 feel confident that that you. 1881 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:40.640 Know that it. 1882 01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:45.399 Happens, Okay so are you satisfied with you know what 1883 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:48.399 you outline as far as how you're trying to, Emphasize, 1884 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:51.199 okay if we don't have the potency in, attack let's 1885 01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:53.760 make sure we're a tough nut to. Crack and where 1886 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.560 you aut on that side of the. Field as far 1887 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.319 as uh defending as a, TEAM i, MEAN i Think 1888 01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:00.640 brall has been a bright. SPOT i, MEAN i think 1889 01:36:00.640 --> 01:36:02.840 he's been a good. Addition so where are you at over, THERE? 1890 01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:07.039 Povs, Yeah, NO i think, again it's just just hitting 1891 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:09.439 on it today again in the recap and, saying like 1892 01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:11.880 these moments where we're in complete control of the game 1893 01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:14.560 from an offensive, perspective. Right SO i look at the 1894 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.640 two goals we conceded In, minnesota and they both started 1895 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.520 with us in really clear possession of the. Ball we're 1896 01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:22.800 literally three quarters of the way up the, field playing 1897 01:36:22.880 --> 01:36:27.880 in our opponent's final, third and within five passes the 1898 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.279 balls in the back of our. Net, so like what 1899 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:34.000 we talk about, defensively it's defending in. Transition so the 1900 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:36.520 first part of that is making sure that you're defensively 1901 01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:40.840 prepared for any any, turnover, Right so that is more 1902 01:36:40.840 --> 01:36:43.760 communication from the guys in the, back it's better positioning 1903 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.760 from our, midfielders and then it's putting out, fires you. 1904 01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:51.079 Know AND i think the majority of the goals that 1905 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.720 we've conceived this year have been through those transition, moments 1906 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.880 and it hasn't been like we've been defending in a 1907 01:36:55.920 --> 01:36:58.720 block close to our. Goal but because we're trying to 1908 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:01.840 be aggressive and committing them, forward we're susceptible in the. 1909 01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:03.359 Back and so that's the trade. 1910 01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:03.560 Off. 1911 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:05.680 Right, so because we haven't scored a lot of, goals 1912 01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:07.960 we want to get number numbers higher up the. Field 1913 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:10.119 but the footside of that is that you're. Susceptible so 1914 01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:13.319 it's it's it's a it's a work in. Progress BUT 1915 01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:16.239 i think, today especially talking to the leadership group In 1916 01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.119 rock with Cabral is one of those, players that's what 1917 01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:22.880 we're being very delivered on because we are getting up the. 1918 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:26.039 Field we are creating, chances but we're just not putting 1919 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:28.159 the biscuit in the. Basket and so if we can 1920 01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:32.359 nullify some of those opportunities and handle those moments in 1921 01:37:32.399 --> 01:37:35.680 real professional, WAYS i find that we'll put ourselves in 1922 01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:36.520 position to win more. 1923 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:40.520 Games so let's let's look at The minnesota. Game, actually 1924 01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:42.439 before we look at you know how you decided to 1925 01:37:42.439 --> 01:37:44.039 go about, it because we did catch up with you 1926 01:37:44.119 --> 01:37:47.119 last week AND i was unfortunately playing Weather man during 1927 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:50.079 our interview AND i reference what the conditions we're going 1928 01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:52.680 to be, Like so it looked rough man on. Television 1929 01:37:52.760 --> 01:37:55.279 what sort of challenges did the weather provide up In? 1930 01:37:55.279 --> 01:38:00.319 Minnesota, yeah it's AGAIN i think the coldest Games i've ever. 1931 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:03.119 Played we're in those type of conditions where it's not 1932 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:07.159 cold enough for, snow but it's wind blowing at like. 1933 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:11.399 Whatever it was forty degrees and the wind blowing the rain, 1934 01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:14.560 sideways and the one thing is is you just don't 1935 01:38:14.600 --> 01:38:17.920 have an opportunity to ever like feel, comfortable, Right and 1936 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.920 so that's what the game kind of looked. Like and 1937 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:23.039 it was a rough, game given that those guys were 1938 01:38:23.079 --> 01:38:26.319 just putting balls into the box and really being. Directing 1939 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:29.800 we try to play a little, bit and so that 1940 01:38:30.000 --> 01:38:31.840 style of going up against that style of play on 1941 01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:34.600 that type of surface was very. Difficult and you, know 1942 01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:38.199 at HALFTIME i had we were going to make two tactical, 1943 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.319 changes and it ended up being four because two of 1944 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:45.640 the players were experiencing hypothermic, symptoms, right so you Know 1945 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.960 yogo And Dominic, marsouk they just couldn't feel their bodies 1946 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.119 anymore and their lifts were blue in the whole nine. 1947 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:55.039 Yards so like that definitely threw things for a. Spin 1948 01:38:55.159 --> 01:38:57.319 SO i feel like going from The dallas game where 1949 01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:00.119 we were down a, man going Into minnesota with those 1950 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.960 type of, conditions we've experienced a lot of hardship early, 1951 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.319 on and now it's really leaning on those moments to 1952 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:10.079 really dig deep and become a better team on A 1953 01:39:10.119 --> 01:39:13.479 saturday where it's hopefully sunny two thirty in the afternoon 1954 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:14.880 against the great team Like. 1955 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:17.680 La, YEAH i think it will be. SUNNY i think 1956 01:39:17.680 --> 01:39:19.960 that'll help we'll get. There in a, MOMENT i, wonder 1957 01:39:20.479 --> 01:39:25.800 because you Referenced, Mark zuke And, diego do international players 1958 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.399 have a tough time acclimating to some of the challenging 1959 01:39:28.399 --> 01:39:30.640 CONDITIONS mls puts you guys in when it comes to 1960 01:39:30.640 --> 01:39:34.880 playing and some of these cold weather. SCENARIOS i, Mean 1961 01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:37.439 i'm just asking because those two guys obviously are are 1962 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:39.560 transplants here playing FOR mls from different. 1963 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:43.640 Countries, yeah you, know and ironically both of those players 1964 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.239 have played in snow, before. Right diego came From denmark 1965 01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.159 team In denmark And dominic came from a team In. 1966 01:39:50.159 --> 01:39:54.560 Poland BUT i think, again like the way the amount 1967 01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:57.800 of rain that was falling and the wind blowing WAS 1968 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:01.319 i think very. Unique and you, KNOW i come to 1969 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:04.159 find out That minnesota had these these warm blankets that 1970 01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:07.239 they had on their players on the bench and in 1971 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:09.880 the locker rooms at, halftime and we didn't have. That 1972 01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:12.000 we we didn't have, that, Right AND i just think 1973 01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:15.039 that that little difference of like being able to like 1974 01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:19.239 warm yourself at halftime could have made the difference between the, 1975 01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:22.600 players you, know getting through to the second half and maybe. 1976 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:25.760 Not but you, KNOW i think it wasn't just those two. 1977 01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:29.479 Guys everyone was you, KNOW i mean everyone's eyes were 1978 01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:31.920 just like they were all everyone was shivering at. 1979 01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:32.560 Halftime it was. 1980 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.960 Incredible so the fact that the guys actually finished the 1981 01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:39.880 game was a feat unto. Itself and and and again 1982 01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:42.079 THAT'S i think something that we need to lean on 1983 01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:43.800 as a group because we've gone through a lot in 1984 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:45.960 the last two weeks and we've got to use that 1985 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.359 as a motivational force to move. 1986 01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.199 Forward so when it comes to the way you elected 1987 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:54.960 to attack, This peel was out because of the red. 1988 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.279 Card So forrester gets the startup. TOP i just had 1989 01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.359 the lineup, slide SO i know this isn't exis exactly 1990 01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:03.600 out goes because guys move, around but diego central centrally 1991 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:06.880 located where the ten would be diego out, left, out 1992 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:09.840 out wide, right and then uh macha and ohto of 1993 01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:13.760 course as you're you're you're, central what's the what is 1994 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:16.760 there something going on With katranis or are you just 1995 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:19.560 choosing to kind of cycle through that left back spot 1996 01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:21.800 THAT i just thought was HIS i thought he had solidified. 1997 01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:25.319 That, no you, know, AGAIN i think there's, uh you, 1998 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:29.640 Know Sam junker had a really really good. Preseason his 1999 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.000 his physical output is the top on the, team so 2000 01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:34.479 in that, position you, know we asked him to play 2001 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:36.760 wing winger when we have the, ball and we asked 2002 01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:39.479 him to play left back when we. Don't And sam 2003 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.199 had just had a really good, preseason great start to the, 2004 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:46.119 season had a really good performance In. Houston so we've 2005 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.560 been running. It but but, AGAIN i think, obviously when 2006 01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:50.640 you're not getting the, results you're you're looking at every 2007 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:54.359 nook and cranny to try to find percentages to the. 2008 01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:57.640 Good and that's definitely one position that we're looking at 2009 01:41:57.800 --> 01:41:59.640 and and and a big part of that is the 2010 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.800 way has been. Training alex has been, great his attitude 2011 01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:06.119 has been. Great so you, know looking towards this next, 2012 01:42:06.119 --> 01:42:09.560 game there'll probably be two to three different changes to 2013 01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:12.680 the group that you're that you've just mentioned again to 2014 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:16.680 continue to instill a competitive, environment but to also find 2015 01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:21.159 different mechanisms to, spark you, know the. 2016 01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.159 Results is there another option Besides forrest d And pole up. 2017 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:27.760 Top i'm not asking Because i'm knocking on those. Two 2018 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.520 i'm just wondering what sort of depth you have up. 2019 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:33.119 There is there anything maybe we just haven't seen that 2020 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:34.800 you feel like you might be able to try to 2021 01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:35.760 kind of crack this thing. 2022 01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:41.039 Open, yeah so it's it's a bit. Unconventional But Hashus, 2023 01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:43.279 borea who came into the game in the second half about, 2024 01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:45.840 it did extremely. Well he played as kind of a 2025 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:50.159 false nine IN uh in, college and so you, know 2026 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.520 this is this is making an adjustment to our game 2027 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:54.520 model where we actually want our nine to be on 2028 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:57.119 the highest, line to always push the defensive line back 2029 01:42:57.560 --> 01:43:01.399 to create space underneath For diego And dieg, know but 2030 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:04.359 we're looking at you, know maybe His SEUs in that 2031 01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:07.840 position to occupy center backs because the three of them 2032 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:13.079 really understand, movements the ball, possession and they're really really. 2033 01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:15.960 Crafty so we'll look at that tomorrow and see if 2034 01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:19.119 that that, that you, know brings up anything a little bit. 2035 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.479 Different but His seuss has a great eye for, goal 2036 01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:24.119 scored quite a few goals in his in his last 2037 01:43:24.119 --> 01:43:27.159 college season and has been really really bragged in front 2038 01:43:27.159 --> 01:43:29.239 of goal FOR. Us and so, again if what we're 2039 01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:32.199 doing isn't isn't, working we're always looking for different WAYS 2040 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.640 uh to to readjust our game model so that we 2041 01:43:35.680 --> 01:43:37.079 can be more productive in the. 2042 01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:41.479 Attack, okay, WELL i MEAN i just continue to kind 2043 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.159 of feel, bad uh that you're in this spot where 2044 01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:46.279 you have to get, creative, like, hey let's play a false, 2045 01:43:46.359 --> 01:43:48.319 Nine like, no let's get a nine that can actually. 2046 01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:52.279 Score you, Know but that's that's just. Me so let's 2047 01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:56.560 move Towards. Saturday but before we get there, Specifically and 2048 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:59.319 you were good to talk about this last time you, 2049 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:03.479 joined AND i always discussed just basically being around now 2050 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:05.520 the league for twenty years since we brought the club. 2051 01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:08.039 Here i've seen some of our best team start. Horribly 2052 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:11.119 i've seen some of our worst team start. Incredibly and 2053 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:13.960 this season is simply a. Marathon but do you feel 2054 01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:16.399 like it's getting late? Early do you catch my? Drift 2055 01:44:16.399 --> 01:44:17.960 do you feel like it's getting late? EARLY i kind 2056 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:19.720 of feeling a little pressure leaving points on the. 2057 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:24.840 Table, YEAH i mean it's always obviously you can't you 2058 01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:27.279 can't win the season at the, start but you can 2059 01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:30.399 put yourself in a a in a tough. Spot you 2060 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:32.960 know WHERE i feel WHERE i feel good about our 2061 01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:35.800 group is that. One it's a really really honest, group 2062 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:39.279 right we you, know we might not have the sharpest 2063 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:41.359 tip of the, spear but we do have an honest. 2064 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:44.079 Group and so when we were doing our game, reviews 2065 01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:48.439 there's there's everyone's understanding what we're talking, about what the expectations. 2066 01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:51.319 Are and you, know in the last couple of, years 2067 01:44:51.319 --> 01:44:54.479 we've been on runs where we've been fifteen. Unbeaten right 2068 01:44:54.520 --> 01:44:56.039 in the last two, YEARS i think we've had two 2069 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:59.960 runs where we've been fifteen, unbeaten and so a lot 2070 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:04.640 a lot of that started with a tough. Performance and 2071 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:07.039 so that's WHAT i keep saying to the guys that 2072 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.399 if we pull, up you, know if we can dig 2073 01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:13.800 out our inner competitiveness, right and our and our we 2074 01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:17.239 don't give a damn type, mentality you're gonna find ways 2075 01:45:17.239 --> 01:45:19.279 to score. Goals you're gonna find ways to win. Games 2076 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:21.279 it may not be drawn up like what like we 2077 01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:24.680 do in, training but if you don't believe it, right 2078 01:45:24.760 --> 01:45:28.319 if you don't have the, mindset then then it's impossible to. 2079 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:30.640 Achieve and then you start feeling like what you're talking, 2080 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:33.239 about which is a little bit, nervy you. Know and 2081 01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:36.079 so for, me from my perspective is it's always looking. 2082 01:45:36.119 --> 01:45:38.760 Forward we've done this in the past two, years and 2083 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.119 it usually started with a bad run of, form but 2084 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:42.880 we found a way and then once you get it, 2085 01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:46.239 going all those experiences in the past that were very 2086 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.840 difficult to kind of deal with and at the time 2087 01:45:49.359 --> 01:45:51.800 are now you, know steps on the ladder that you 2088 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:54.560 can climb, up, Right and SO i think that that 2089 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:57.319 for me is the most important, thing you, know because 2090 01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:59.600 again it's it's not it doesn't feel good when you're 2091 01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.920 in these in these, moments right and you you know 2092 01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:06.279 you can you can sit there and feel. Pity but for, 2093 01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:09.920 me it's always about challenging, myself challenging the group to 2094 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:12.800 be the best version of, yourself because every player has 2095 01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.840 done something special to get to this level and it's 2096 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:18.800 our job as coaches to unlock that that special talent 2097 01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:21.880 and to play free and let me worry about the. 2098 01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.439 Results you just worry about doing your job and having 2099 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:24.920 a great. 2100 01:46:24.720 --> 01:46:25.760 Performance all. 2101 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.840 Right SO i referenced the lineup slide With forster up 2102 01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:31.319 top and the midfield and you, know back for a 2103 01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:35.600 rough and. GOAL i don't know much about The galaxy this. 2104 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:38.199 YEAR i know that they WON mls couple year ago 2105 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:40.399 and they're off to What i'm reading is the worst 2106 01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:44.439 start IN La galaxy. HISTORY i do not know. Why 2107 01:46:44.600 --> 01:46:47.439 maybe you can shed some, light SO i would imagine 2108 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:49.640 they still have. Quality so you might be expecting a 2109 01:46:49.640 --> 01:46:53.199 little bit of a rabbit dog rolling into the stadium 2110 01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:55.399 coming up On. Saturday but tell me about The galaxy 2111 01:46:55.439 --> 01:46:58.279 and if you care to help us understand how you're 2112 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:00.880 going to try to make some changes to improve this 2113 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:03.399 this attack coming up On saturday as the galach're rolling in. 2114 01:47:03.479 --> 01:47:06.760 Town, yeah you, know they're obviously in a in a 2115 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:09.840 tough run of form in the. League they they lost 2116 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:13.199 their most important player In Ricky pooge that dictated a. 2117 01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:17.239 Lot they've lost another, striker Winger, paintsil who is a 2118 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:20.600 speedy winger who's just now come back last. Game but 2119 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:23.960 they're also in in in the in the CONCER Caf, 2120 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:27.520 cup and so they're actually playing tonight In. Mexico i'll 2121 01:47:27.600 --> 01:47:29.600 check out the. Game so they're they're in two tournaments 2122 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:32.079 and and you know this this. League the one THING 2123 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:36.039 i would say about form is that when the whistle, 2124 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:37.640 blows there's no such thing as formed in this. 2125 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:38.119 League. 2126 01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:40.720 Uh it's because any team can beat any team on 2127 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:43.520 any given. Day and and so for, me it's really 2128 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:47.439 thinking about not their run of, form but what they're capable. 2129 01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:50.279 Of and if you win AN Mls cup a year, 2130 01:47:50.319 --> 01:47:53.960 before you're can from from. In from my, perspective it's 2131 01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:55.760 a great team because they have that and they just 2132 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:59.079 have to tap into. That so the way we're gonna 2133 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:01.479 deal with it, is, again they're they're, coming they're gonna 2134 01:48:01.479 --> 01:48:03.960 they're gonna be In mexico tonight and they're probably traveling 2135 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:06.479 back home and then coming out On. Friday so how 2136 01:48:06.479 --> 01:48:08.159 do we how do we dictate the game with the, 2137 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:11.840 ball but but be very ball secure and then finding 2138 01:48:11.880 --> 01:48:15.399 some different relationships up front that are more goal dangerous 2139 01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:17.399 and see how it pans out for. Us but BUT 2140 01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:21.560 i believe that the most important aspect of how we're 2141 01:48:21.560 --> 01:48:23.600 going to win this game at the weekend has to 2142 01:48:23.600 --> 01:48:26.000 be with our mentality and our. Competitiveness we have to 2143 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:29.880 be dogs everywhere on the field and and and and 2144 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:32.159 by THAT i also mean like we've got to be 2145 01:48:32.159 --> 01:48:34.520 willing to make hard runs in the box even if 2146 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:37.720 the ball doesn't. Come and that's competitiveness as, well and 2147 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:40.239 and and trusting your teammates and doing your job and 2148 01:48:40.279 --> 01:48:42.960 so all those little things will hopefully put us in 2149 01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.279 a in a position to be the team that you 2150 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:48.399 know is capable of doing great. Things so one one 2151 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:52.079 team we obviously can't take, lightly but more, IMPORTANTLY i 2152 01:48:52.119 --> 01:48:54.520 want to see a team that that competes the right, 2153 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.840 way that believes in themselves regardless of who we have 2154 01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:01.840 and who we don't, have and play some great. 2155 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:05.479 Football all, right my, Guy, well best of luck On. 2156 01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:08.399 Saturday hopefully we can get this thing turned. Around and, 2157 01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:10.600 Yeah i'll do my best to get out there hopefully 2158 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:12.319 say hello and go get it, man go get. 2159 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:15.439 Three, okay sounds, great appreciate, it but all. 2160 01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:18.000 Right Pablo. Master, ANYWAY i saw back in action against 2161 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:21.840 The La galaxy here In Well. Sandy should be right, 2162 01:49:21.880 --> 01:49:24.840 there should be right there Where i'm pointing. To but 2163 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:29.000 it's a parking, lot different, story different. Day it's been a. 2164 01:49:29.119 --> 01:49:31.319 Slog it has been a tough. Start there are only 2165 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:34.920 three teams IN mls that have a worse goal differential THAN, 2166 01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:37.760 rsl but one of them happens to be The La. 2167 01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:40.920 Galaxy after winning The cup last, year have not won 2168 01:49:40.960 --> 01:49:44.239 a match so far this year four and. Two they've 2169 01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:46.880 had some international. DUTY i guess some players banged, up 2170 01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:49.880 but their goal differential is minus. Seven they've scored five 2171 01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:53.960 goals allowed TWELVE RSLs is minus. Six they've scored five, 2172 01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:56.319 goals they've allowed. Eleven five goals and six. Games is 2173 01:49:56.319 --> 01:49:58.640 not going to get it. DONE i did not Ask 2174 01:49:58.680 --> 01:50:00.720 pablo about, this BECAUSE i do you not ever want 2175 01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:02.760 to put somebody in a position where they might be 2176 01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:06.640 criticizing their literal. Employer BUT i just have to wonder 2177 01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:10.960 if the progress it feels like it is stalled as 2178 01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:14.880 a result of the rumors with these players that they're 2179 01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:18.520 trying to, sign is it due to the current situation 2180 01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:20.760 with the ownership. Change it could be as simple as. That, 2181 01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:25.159 now the problem that we run into is On, thursday 2182 01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:28.279 it will be three weeks from This thursday where the 2183 01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:32.079 primary transfer window closes and then doesn't open again until the. 2184 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:36.239 Summer and IF rsl doesn't add pieces prior to this window, 2185 01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:38.840 closing they will not be able to wait until the 2186 01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:41.079 summer to add pieces to be able to do anything 2187 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.720 even kind of. Exciting they will not make the. Playoffs 2188 01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:45.920 they won't even be close to. It the team's not good. 2189 01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:49.920 Enough they jettised in a ton of, talent some of 2190 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.119 the most talented players we've ever seen here in the, 2191 01:50:52.159 --> 01:50:54.640 Market Chi sho And Andres gomez And Matt crooks and, 2192 01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:57.640 others and they have not brought in. Reinforcements AND i 2193 01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:00.239 think it's unfair to the. Coach and Hopefully pablo's antying 2194 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:03.279 what he needs from ownership some understanding that they just 2195 01:51:03.319 --> 01:51:05.239 have put him in a bad. Spot but it's been. 2196 01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:07.760 Uninspiring it's been boring quite, frankly and are not fun 2197 01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:10.840 to watch and they don't. Win not a great model 2198 01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:14.199 if you're trying to play competitive. 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Picks you can run your game all season. 2220 01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:13.439 Long we are back In Salt Lake city today our 2221 01:52:13.520 --> 01:52:17.079 Downtown Broadway Media studios on a chilly winter Like April 2222 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:20.279 tuesday with a lot of snow. Overnight looks like it's 2223 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:22.079 gonna warm up throughout the week and we're back into 2224 01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:26.239 springlight conditions next. Week fun time In, Vegas Quick little 2225 01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:28.720 johnt one, day one night to watch The utah men's 2226 01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:32.479 basketball team playing The College Basketball. Crown they lost their 2227 01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:35.439 first game to The Butler, bulldogs so we now are 2228 01:52:35.439 --> 01:52:39.000 officially into The Alex jansonira as the head coach of 2229 01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:43.239 The utah men's basketball. Program butler eighty Six utah eighty 2230 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:46.439 four and now we, wait and it's been kind of the. 2231 01:52:46.920 --> 01:52:49.119 THEME i Thought Ken, palmroy who joined us, earlier is 2232 01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:52.000 really good with some of the stuff we already are 2233 01:52:52.079 --> 01:52:57.079 hearing major college basketball transfers make their, decisions like really 2234 01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.760 really good players have already decided where they're going to. 2235 01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:03.000 Go Saint john's it was announced they're going to Get 2236 01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:08.880 providence Transfer Bryce, hopkins and they've already added The Johnson 2237 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:11.920 sanding kid From Arizona. State So Saint johns's added two 2238 01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:14.399 really good. Pieces AND i Think alex has been on 2239 01:53:14.439 --> 01:53:16.640 the record AND i think he's talked about this probably 2240 01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:19.039 behind closed, doors that he is going to take his. 2241 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:21.720 Time so right out of the, gates we saw and 2242 01:53:21.800 --> 01:53:25.039 Heard Rafael chilius announced as the lead assistant, coach the 2243 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.800 first assistant coach coach hired By Alex. Jensen then not 2244 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:31.680 too long after, That Wes willcox was hired from The 2245 01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:34.399 Sacramento kings to be the general. Manager And Mark, harlan 2246 01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:36.159 who joined the show last. Week if you missed that, 2247 01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:39.279 conversation you can check out our website or of course 2248 01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:41.399 the podcast page where all the interviews are there for 2249 01:53:41.439 --> 01:53:44.479 you at all. Times he called This alex's higher and 2250 01:53:44.520 --> 01:53:47.119 said That west will Report alex's kind of the same 2251 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:49.960 way that you heard from a coach wit, earlier a 2252 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.000 Coach wit hoped On sean, Show The sean O'caddle, show 2253 01:53:53.039 --> 01:53:54.960 which is the show prior to ours on the station 2254 01:53:55.039 --> 01:53:58.039 in the. Midday so definitely Give sean your attention and your, 2255 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:02.079 ears and we replayed. That it feels like The black 2256 01:54:02.119 --> 01:54:04.960 and HIS gm coach wittis head coach relationship is going 2257 01:54:05.039 --> 01:54:07.239 to be very similar to what we see on the 2258 01:54:07.239 --> 01:54:10.159 basketball side of, things With Wes wilcox essentially reporting To 2259 01:54:10.239 --> 01:54:12.800 alex And alex kind of being THE ceo of the, 2260 01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:15.079 program which is what you are when you're a coach in, 2261 01:54:15.119 --> 01:54:17.960 college even though the landscape has, changed and of course 2262 01:54:18.159 --> 01:54:20.960 we'll report To Mark, carlan the athletic director reports To Taylor. 2263 01:54:21.000 --> 01:54:23.840 RANDALL i mean, it it does feel like it's both 2264 01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:26.159 somewhat seamless and then kind of learning as you. Go 2265 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.279 we are going to get more information probably the next 2266 01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:32.840 ten days on the house. Settlement some details will start 2267 01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:34.880 to come. OUT i think it becomes official In. JUNE 2268 01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:36.840 i think it's the first week Of june where this 2269 01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:39.960 twenty million Dollar i'll call it a salary CAP i 2270 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:45.279 oftentimes utilize the professional verbiage for the propaganda that college 2271 01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:47.439 folks likes to you, know you, know hit us over 2272 01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:50.680 the head with student, athlete collegiate model and. Such the 2273 01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:54.840 transfer portal is free. Agency it, is you, know label 2274 01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:57.000 it whatever you. Want and this is kind of like 2275 01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:00.920 the first piece of clarity that it administrators are going to, 2276 01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:03.119 get are going to, get are going to get when 2277 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:06.960 it pertains to their economic, model and it will continue 2278 01:55:07.000 --> 01:55:11.199 to crystallize and become something that eventually will look a 2279 01:55:11.239 --> 01:55:13.800 lot like pro, sports WHERE i believe we are still. 2280 01:55:13.840 --> 01:55:16.479 Ahead And Matt brown's been really good with, this our 2281 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:19.239 buddy From Extra, points who write the college sports newsletter 2282 01:55:19.279 --> 01:55:22.319 about the business of college. Athletics he is a little 2283 01:55:22.359 --> 01:55:24.079 bit more skeptical as a result of some of the 2284 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:28.199 changes that have been made with the New trump administration 2285 01:55:28.920 --> 01:55:32.000 as far as The board Of education and things like, 2286 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:35.359 that you, know the change to labor. Laws what that 2287 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:38.119 could mean when the dust, settles and will it still make. 2288 01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:41.039 SENSE i believe on paper it makes sense to allow 2289 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:44.760 the athletes to play college, sports to unionize and collectively. 2290 01:55:44.760 --> 01:55:47.399 Bargain and by, Athletes i'm really talking about mostly football 2291 01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:50.479 and basketball. Players the revenue brought in by the other 2292 01:55:50.520 --> 01:55:54.159 sports isn't enough to justify a unionization or a collective 2293 01:55:54.199 --> 01:55:57.800 bargaining situation where you're negotiating to get your piece of the. 2294 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:01.239 Pie and, yes every athlete should and now does have 2295 01:56:01.319 --> 01:56:03.479 the ability to profit off of simply who they, are 2296 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:06.159 the same basic economic right that you AND i have always, 2297 01:56:06.159 --> 01:56:09.840 had and the college, athletes for whatever, reason for decades 2298 01:56:09.840 --> 01:56:13.920 and decades and, decades never. Had and the main REASON 2299 01:56:14.680 --> 01:56:18.399 i feel like this is a future that is inevitable 2300 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:22.159 and should be leaned into sooner rather than, later is 2301 01:56:22.439 --> 01:56:26.439 it actually in a very ironic, way because of how 2302 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:30.279 many people are so terrified of college sports simply mirroring 2303 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:35.079 their pro. Counterparts the irony is the pro model fixes 2304 01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.720 a lot of the problems that we all complain about 2305 01:56:37.880 --> 01:56:41.119 with the college. Model right, now the best way to 2306 01:56:41.159 --> 01:56:44.039 fix the transfer portal is to allow these players to, 2307 01:56:44.119 --> 01:56:48.239 unionize collectively bargain and then have them sign. Contracts you're 2308 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:49.760 not going to have them sign a long term deal 2309 01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:52.319 like they do in the. Pros AND i feel like 2310 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:54.439 a lot of the guests that we've had on the 2311 01:56:54.479 --> 01:56:57.840 program over the past couple of months or however it's 2312 01:56:57.880 --> 01:57:00.279 been Since Mark carlin decided to move on From Craig, 2313 01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:04.800 smith and they've talked About utah basketball and how basically 2314 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:10.199 it's been twenty years of occasional incremental success but nothing 2315 01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:14.119 tangible or consistent over. TIME i feel like all of 2316 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:18.119 them have talked about once upon a time knowing the 2317 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:20.560 players that played here in a way that you just 2318 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:23.159 don't know them now for the most, part not all the. 2319 01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:25.479 Time on the football, side we've had a lot of 2320 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:27.319 players played for coach with that have stayed here for 2321 01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:30.079 a number of, years and on the basketball, side they've 2322 01:57:30.119 --> 01:57:32.680 been more. Unicorns that's WHY i talked About Gabe mattson 2323 01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:34.720 as a guy who should be giving a good old 2324 01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:36.319 tip of the cap as he walks out the. DOOR 2325 01:57:36.439 --> 01:57:40.119 Bc Brandon. Carlson a year, ago you basketball players that 2326 01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:42.680 could have transferred and played for a program that was 2327 01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:45.079 winning at a higher level or maybe deep in their 2328 01:57:45.079 --> 01:57:46.720 pockets a little, bit but they wanted to, stay they 2329 01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:51.000 wanted to build a. Program, well the dynamic of you 2330 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:55.039 being unfamiliar with these teams every single year would be 2331 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:59.279 alleviated if these players did sign contracts a two year 2332 01:57:59.319 --> 01:58:01.920 deal with a third year option or something like. That 2333 01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:05.039 so at least you know and, look there has to 2334 01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:09.199 be options. Intertwined Like Aj debantsa is on record with 2335 01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:11.720 his father On First take Saying i'm one and DONE 2336 01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:15.000 byu is Paying Aj debantsa seven million dollars for five 2337 01:58:15.079 --> 01:58:18.279 months in provo to play. Basketball but those are the, 2338 01:58:18.279 --> 01:58:20.720 outliers those are those are those are the, unicorns you, 2339 01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:23.199 know the guys that you want around That alex can 2340 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:26.159 identify to help build this culture that he is going 2341 01:58:26.199 --> 01:58:28.239 to build from the ground. UP i, mean that's certainly 2342 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:31.000 what it sounds Like i'm talking about from the, studs 2343 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:34.359 brick by, brick which is why ye're one in The Big. 2344 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:37.199 Twelve is probably tough to ask anything more than just 2345 01:58:37.359 --> 01:58:40.199 show that you're actually building something and there's some progress 2346 01:58:40.199 --> 01:58:42.119 in the right direction as opposed to like going to 2347 01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:45.479 win the. Thing Ken palmroy earlier talked about The Big 2348 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.039 twelve not just this year but the. Future more often 2349 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:49.960 than not will be one of the top two or 2350 01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:52.960 three college basketball, conferences and there will be some years 2351 01:58:52.960 --> 01:58:56.119 that it is the best college basketball. CONFERENCE i would 2352 01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:59.520 say for the most part over the past, decade with 2353 01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:02.079 a lot of the conference is, changing the biggiest change 2354 01:59:02.079 --> 01:59:04.920 in THE acc changing The big twelve has been the 2355 01:59:05.000 --> 01:59:07.359 cream of the crop when it comes to college, basketball certainly. 2356 01:59:07.399 --> 01:59:12.239 Consistently and you look at What houston could, Return you 2357 01:59:12.279 --> 01:59:16.560 look at What kansas could return and their stacked recruiting class. 2358 01:59:16.720 --> 01:59:20.880 Already you look at A byu team that could return 2359 01:59:21.000 --> 01:59:24.159 a bulk of their players and are adding the best 2360 01:59:24.159 --> 01:59:27.600 player in its class next year In Aj debanza and 2361 01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:30.720 then a couple of other, recruits The Xavion stanton kid From. 2362 01:59:30.760 --> 01:59:34.000 Vegas you, Know AJ's a ninety eight composite grade for 2363 01:59:34.039 --> 01:59:37.119 THE espn one. Fifty The stanton kids in eighty. Eight 2364 01:59:37.319 --> 01:59:40.520 you know he's a good player. Too SO byu will 2365 01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:42.840 be among The big twelve teams That utah is gonna 2366 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:44.199 have to find a way to compete with at the 2367 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:47.359 highest of. Levels Texas tech has a group of players 2368 01:59:47.359 --> 01:59:49.800 that could come. Back. Now the hard part about trying 2369 01:59:49.800 --> 01:59:51.760 to analyze what a conference will look like in the 2370 01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:54.600 fall when we're sitting here In, april is there are 2371 01:59:54.640 --> 01:59:57.479 so many opportunities for these young men to find new 2372 01:59:57.479 --> 02:00:00.399 places to play if they're not happy with it playing, 2373 02:00:00.439 --> 02:00:04.520 time if an agent contacts, them because there's nothing that 2374 02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:07.640 keeps them, Around hence me talking about a pro model 2375 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:11.000 where they signed. Contracts they could get, gone BUT i 2376 02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:12.960 think it's safe to, say and you'll Throw arizona in. 2377 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:15.000 There there's no doubt Throw arizona in. There with who 2378 02:00:15.079 --> 02:00:17.439 they have coming, back and they're recruiting class at least on. 2379 02:00:17.479 --> 02:00:20.920 Paper now there are six or seven teams next year 2380 02:00:21.039 --> 02:00:24.039 that will be, really really high level in this. Conference 2381 02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:27.079 and that's WHY i continue to talk about. Expectations you're, 2382 02:00:27.119 --> 02:00:30.439 one but if you find a player like An Aj, 2383 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:34.920 debantsa that changes. Everything and, look it's much easier to 2384 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:38.359 say than actually. Do it's WHY i kind of chuckle 2385 02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:40.840 when we talk about The jazz rebuild and we tend 2386 02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:44.560 to discuss how the modern approach in pro basketball that's 2387 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:47.640 worked for smaller markets that have won, championships Namely denver 2388 02:00:47.720 --> 02:00:52.720 With jokic And milwaukee With giannis and Then luca was, 2389 02:00:52.720 --> 02:00:55.199 traded But luca With dallas they won a, championship but 2390 02:00:55.239 --> 02:00:58.760 they went to the. Finals there is an angle and 2391 02:00:58.800 --> 02:01:03.640 a roster construction and direction in pro basketball that actually 2392 02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:06.880 could benefit The jazz playing In Salt, lake where back 2393 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:09.560 in the, day, okay well you've Got, Jordan, okay then 2394 02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:11.560 you've Got, kobe then you've Got, lebron and if you 2395 02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:14.560 don't have one of, those like domestic great, wings you're probably. 2396 02:01:14.600 --> 02:01:18.640 Screwed with the influx of not just international, talent the 2397 02:01:18.680 --> 02:01:22.760 influx of elite international. Talent five of the top seven 2398 02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:26.640 or eight players in the league right now are international. Players, Jokic, 2399 02:01:27.319 --> 02:01:31.720 Jannis luca shay is From, CANADA mb when he's. RIGHT i, 2400 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.239 mean BUT i always chuckle when we, say, yeah The 2401 02:01:34.279 --> 02:01:36.319 jazz just need to go Find, Jokic just go find Your. 2402 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:38.920 Jokic oh, Okay well, yeah everybody's trying to do. That 2403 02:01:39.680 --> 02:01:41.800 And i'm not saying that it's as simple As alex 2404 02:01:41.880 --> 02:01:43.840 just going to Find aj the, bants but that's an 2405 02:01:43.880 --> 02:01:47.079 example to use that once it only takes, one it 2406 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:49.600 only takes one of the top shelf recruits to convince 2407 02:01:49.640 --> 02:01:51.920 that player that you're the spot for. Them that really 2408 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:54.319 can change the trajector of your program for a long, 2409 02:01:54.399 --> 02:01:57.359 time because other players in the class will want to 2410 02:01:57.399 --> 02:02:02.000 look at you, Differently LIKE aj is constantly making the 2411 02:02:02.039 --> 02:02:05.039 rounds on social media playing in these. Tournaments he dunked 2412 02:02:05.039 --> 02:02:08.720 Over Angel. REESE i THINK i saw that highlight going. 2413 02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:12.760 Around SO aj is constantly playing. Alongside the McDonald's game 2414 02:02:12.840 --> 02:02:15.640 is coming. Up and so you're at the McDonald's All 2415 02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:18.880 Star game and You're Aj debantsa and you've got other 2416 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:21.199 elite players coming up to, you, like, dude you're going 2417 02:02:21.239 --> 02:02:24.560 where you're playing? For Who you're gonna live? Where and 2418 02:02:24.640 --> 02:02:27.000 he talks About provo and he talks about, that he likes. 2419 02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:28.800 It he talks About Kevin, young and he talks about 2420 02:02:28.800 --> 02:02:32.479 THE byu basketball program that changes how many people look 2421 02:02:32.520 --> 02:02:35.479 at you. Differently and SO i don't know Who alex 2422 02:02:35.520 --> 02:02:36.880 is gonna be able to convince to play for The, 2423 02:02:36.960 --> 02:02:39.239 utes but it really just takes one blue chip. Guy 2424 02:02:40.359 --> 02:02:42.520 and all of the excuts have talked about, it you, 2425 02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:44.520 know back in the day with The Van horns And 2426 02:02:44.520 --> 02:02:48.000 DeAndre millers and The doleyaks And rick being able to 2427 02:02:48.000 --> 02:02:50.000 find talent from out of state and then being able 2428 02:02:50.039 --> 02:02:52.359 to capture some of the in state, kids The, johnson's 2429 02:02:53.159 --> 02:02:55.199 The Josh grantz of the. World the guys like, that, 2430 02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:58.840 Right and once you have an elite talent that's willing 2431 02:02:58.880 --> 02:03:01.399 to play for, you and you're able to convince him 2432 02:03:01.439 --> 02:03:03.159 that this is a place he can, build then we 2433 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:05.399 start talking about exactly what sort of hand we've been, 2434 02:03:05.439 --> 02:03:07.159 dealt but it is brick by. Brick it is going 2435 02:03:07.199 --> 02:03:10.359 to take some, time And Alex jensen will finish off 2436 02:03:10.359 --> 02:03:12.479 the year with The Dallas, mavericks who look like they're 2437 02:03:12.520 --> 02:03:15.199 probably going to be a playing, team not because they're, 2438 02:03:15.239 --> 02:03:18.000 good but most everybody behind, them including The, suns is 2439 02:03:18.039 --> 02:03:20.399 they're just a. KNEMIC i don't know What MATT A 2440 02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:22.039 shuby is gonna. DO i have no idea how The 2441 02:03:22.079 --> 02:03:24.439 sons you dig themselves out of. This but that might 2442 02:03:24.479 --> 02:03:26.840 Delay alex's full time arrival for a little. Bit but 2443 02:03:26.880 --> 02:03:28.279 of course he has been on the. Ground BUT i 2444 02:03:28.319 --> 02:03:32.159 know a lot of people are wondering about news concerning 2445 02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:35.359 the coaching. Staff and BECAUSE i just listed off some 2446 02:03:35.439 --> 02:03:37.800 players that have already elected where they're going to play next, 2447 02:03:37.880 --> 02:03:41.159 year the transfer portal is open now and you've got 2448 02:03:41.199 --> 02:03:42.880 to hit the ground running to make sure you're in 2449 02:03:42.880 --> 02:03:45.760 the mix where some of these. Players there's no such 2450 02:03:45.800 --> 02:03:48.119 thing as a great coach without great. Players it does not. 2451 02:03:48.279 --> 02:03:50.039 Exist you can go down the. LIST i don't care 2452 02:03:50.079 --> 02:03:53.479 if You're Phil jackson Or Pat riley or, whoever Or Greg. 2453 02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:56.600 Popovich there's no such thing as a great. Coach he 2454 02:03:56.640 --> 02:03:59.920 doesn't have multiple great players and we can talk About 2455 02:04:00.000 --> 02:04:02.239 Fraig smith Or Larry koskovak Or Jim boyle. 2456 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:02.399 And all we. 2457 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:05.079 Want it has been a long long time Since utah 2458 02:04:05.119 --> 02:04:08.079 basketball has had great players that have been around, consistently 2459 02:04:08.159 --> 02:04:11.760 consistently around long enough to build something that seems to 2460 02:04:11.760 --> 02:04:16.520 permeate with this community and seems to breed not just 2461 02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:21.520 winning but entertaining. BASKETBALL i, mean fans will show up 2462 02:04:21.560 --> 02:04:24.000 if you play an entertaining brand of, basketball if you're team, 2463 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.000 orientated if you have good, habits if you're, tough and 2464 02:04:26.079 --> 02:04:30.239 if you, win and certainly easier again easier said than, 2465 02:04:30.279 --> 02:04:32.079 done because you've got to build that thing up brick 2466 02:04:32.119 --> 02:04:33.920 brick by, brick and it will take a little bit of. 2467 02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:38.079 Time but The utah men's basketball program down In, vegas 2468 02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:40.800 they lose To, butler so the season is over and 2469 02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:44.560 now The Alex jensen era has. Begun a few weeks 2470 02:04:44.560 --> 02:04:48.239 away from The forever twenty two. Game hoping to see 2471 02:04:48.239 --> 02:04:50.560 you guys up. There little spring football action coming up 2472 02:04:50.600 --> 02:04:54.840 in a few. Weeks just check out the website for 2473 02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:58.640 the football program or Tickets utah uts dot. Com It's 2474 02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:00.640 Utah uts dot, com, right that's where you go to 2475 02:05:00.640 --> 02:05:03.720 get tickets for the spring. Game, yes you're, Right Utah 2476 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:07.199 utes dot com forever twenty two. Game all the revenue 2477 02:05:07.239 --> 02:05:11.720 generated from that the spring game goes to The Scholarship 2478 02:05:12.119 --> 02:05:15.479 foundation honoreing and of course those two young men tragically 2479 02:05:15.520 --> 02:05:17.720 losing their lives a number of years. Ago it feels 2480 02:05:17.760 --> 02:05:19.800 like both yesterday and like ten years. Ago so a 2481 02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:21.680 little spring football up on the. Hill if you're looking 2482 02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:24.399 for spring football, sound you can always go to the 2483 02:05:24.439 --> 02:05:26.960 website OF espn seven hundred sports dot. Com Coach wit 2484 02:05:27.119 --> 02:05:29.720 rolled by today to talk To. Sean we brought that 2485 02:05:29.760 --> 02:05:32.479 back around in the three o'clock, Hour so there you. 2486 02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:32.680 Go. 2487 02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:36.800 Porter when you're In, vegas outside of sitting in a 2488 02:05:36.840 --> 02:05:42.119 sports book sucking down, heaters you ever throw any? Cards? 2489 02:05:41.359 --> 02:05:42.239 Uh not. 2490 02:05:42.399 --> 02:05:46.319 Really i'm not much of a poker. Player maybe a little, 2491 02:05:46.359 --> 02:05:51.680 blackjack maybe a little slot, stuff but yeah, no If 2492 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:55.920 i'm doing any any, gambling it's gonna be kind of 2493 02:05:55.920 --> 02:06:01.600 sports related in that. VEIN i don't do much much tablesit. 2494 02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:04.039 WELL i wanted The utes to win and go on 2495 02:06:04.079 --> 02:06:06.640 a run in the. Tournament one night In vegas was. 2496 02:06:06.720 --> 02:06:10.079 Enough, YEAH i think one night In vegas is usually, 2497 02:06:10.119 --> 02:06:12.720 like how you should do, it if you're, going if 2498 02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:14.680 you're gonna do, it how you should do? It but, 2499 02:06:14.840 --> 02:06:18.399 uh probably a good idea to leave me here at. 2500 02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:21.039 Home, well and it's also you just got to mind 2501 02:06:21.079 --> 02:06:23.279 your p's and q's a little. Bit every Time i'm, 2502 02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:24.840 There i'm, like this is this is not a real. 2503 02:06:24.880 --> 02:06:27.840 Place this is like an adult. Playground and you can 2504 02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:32.479 have A vegas experience that spans the spectrum of a 2505 02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:38.600 lovely quiet dinner and puking in a bush and a 2506 02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:40.840 lot of in between action as. Well you could do 2507 02:06:40.880 --> 02:06:42.840 both if you. Like but if you can do the 2508 02:06:42.880 --> 02:06:45.399 one and go back and go to. Bed and because 2509 02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:47.800 THERE'S i will say, this there's a grip of gray 2510 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.359 restaurants In Las. Vegas like it's hard to find a bad. 2511 02:06:50.439 --> 02:06:54.000 Meal so on the scale of, uh having a quiet 2512 02:06:54.039 --> 02:06:55.720 meal with a friend and then just going back and 2513 02:06:55.800 --> 02:06:58.640 hitting the, sack there's also the other scale of staying 2514 02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:00.520 out until four am and your puke and yeager at 2515 02:07:00.520 --> 02:07:01.119 a bush on the. 2516 02:07:01.159 --> 02:07:04.159 Strip, right you can combine best of both. Worlds, yeah 2517 02:07:04.319 --> 02:07:08.279 but you Want, yeah like you, SAID i for, me it's, 2518 02:07:08.319 --> 02:07:12.800 overwhelming like the, lights the, sounds the amount of. People, 2519 02:07:13.960 --> 02:07:16.520 AGAIN i come from a town with zero, stoplights so 2520 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:18.880 it's just a. Lot it's a lot for. Me So 2521 02:07:19.119 --> 02:07:21.520 vegas is not my cup of. Tea but as you, 2522 02:07:21.560 --> 02:07:23.640 said if you are there for a, day you're there 2523 02:07:23.680 --> 02:07:25.920 for a. Weekend when it comes to like the food, 2524 02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:30.199 options the entertainment, options golf, course whatever you want to, 2525 02:07:30.239 --> 02:07:32.159 do you can go in and. 2526 02:07:32.039 --> 02:07:32.479 Find it In. 2527 02:07:32.560 --> 02:07:36.359 Vegas so it's nice to have that little spot not 2528 02:07:36.399 --> 02:07:39.119 too far from. Us and now with some big twelve, 2529 02:07:39.760 --> 02:07:43.479 affiliations now with some bowl game. Affiliations we got hockey down, 2530 02:07:43.520 --> 02:07:45.960 there we GOT nfl down. There who knows what's. 2531 02:07:46.000 --> 02:07:49.399 Next the flight is so, easy like it's beautiful and you, Flew, 2532 02:07:50.079 --> 02:07:52.800 yeah it's. GREAT i mean essentially you blank and you're 2533 02:07:52.840 --> 02:07:54.279 on the, ground which is, wondering what is it like 2534 02:07:54.319 --> 02:07:57.520 an hour on the way. Back it was a little 2535 02:07:57.560 --> 02:07:59.520 over in an hour on the way. There we had some. 2536 02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:02.199 Wins it was like an hour twenty but you blink 2537 02:08:02.199 --> 02:08:02.840 and you're. There it's. 2538 02:08:02.840 --> 02:08:05.479 GREAT i haven't done that one. Yet the shortest FLIGHT 2539 02:08:05.560 --> 02:08:08.359 i Think i've, DONE i think was like An arizona. 2540 02:08:08.399 --> 02:08:11.079 One and, yeah you hang around for an hour and 2541 02:08:11.119 --> 02:08:12.680 it's like a it's like a drive down To. 2542 02:08:12.680 --> 02:08:16.079 Provo, yeah, no it was in instead of driving down a. 2543 02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:18.520 Provo when you drive and arrive at your, destination there's 2544 02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:21.640 some things that are fun to. Do due respect down 2545 02:08:21.640 --> 02:08:24.159 to the, swig it's the traffic down In provo THAT 2546 02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:27.199 i can't deal. With any mall shop excellent malt, shop 2547 02:08:28.000 --> 02:08:30.520 but stuff to. DO i like fat. CATS i will 2548 02:08:30.560 --> 02:08:34.119 stand up for fat, cats BUT i will say proud 2549 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:36.279 of myself last, night get done with the, show head 2550 02:08:36.279 --> 02:08:38.560 back to the, hotel catch a shower BECAUSE i was 2551 02:08:38.560 --> 02:08:43.159 scrambling at Some mexican food at The silverton where we, 2552 02:08:43.319 --> 02:08:47.319 stayed and we at The Silverton. Lodge there is literally 2553 02:08:47.359 --> 02:08:51.640 a beast pro shop in the. Lobby so that's how we're. 2554 02:08:51.680 --> 02:08:53.279 ROLLING i, mean we're not high rollers here on the. 2555 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:55.560 Station BUT i, Decided i'm, like you know, what it's 2556 02:08:55.600 --> 02:08:57.640 like eight, Thirty i'm gonna go play some. Cards, Okay 2557 02:08:57.720 --> 02:08:59.239 i'm just gonna go do. It i'm never down here 2558 02:08:59.319 --> 02:09:01.600 BECAUSE i enjoy some to hold them my enjoy some. 2559 02:09:01.640 --> 02:09:05.119 Poker BUT i just decided to go blackjack and uh 2560 02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:07.800 ten dollars minimum, table which is. Nice there was a 2561 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:10.640 five dollars minimum. Table but did you ever See Wedding night. 2562 02:09:10.640 --> 02:09:12.840 Table but did you ever see wedding singer at The 2563 02:09:12.840 --> 02:09:15.039 Adam sandler. Movie it's been a long. Time so there's 2564 02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:16.920 like this scene there at a wedding and he talks 2565 02:09:16.960 --> 02:09:19.239 about table, nine which is kind of all the, rejects 2566 02:09:19.520 --> 02:09:22.880 the five dollars minimum. TABLE i would have happily plopped it, 2567 02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:25.640 down but there were no seats that was jam packed. 2568 02:09:25.640 --> 02:09:27.520 On take it AND i get. IT i get. It 2569 02:09:27.520 --> 02:09:28.840 you want to play as long as you can sit 2570 02:09:28.880 --> 02:09:32.439 down ten dollars minimum. HANDS i played for about two 2571 02:09:32.439 --> 02:09:34.920 to two and a half. HOURS i can grind on a blackjack, 2572 02:09:34.960 --> 02:09:36.640 table LIKE i know how to play enough Where i'm 2573 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:38.680 not gonna lose a, ton And i'm not betting a, 2574 02:09:38.720 --> 02:09:40.399 ton So i'm not gonna win a crazy amount right. 2575 02:09:40.399 --> 02:09:43.520 Away So i'm grinding for a couple of, hours go 2576 02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:45.840 up and down fifty or. Six he end, up you, 2577 02:09:45.880 --> 02:09:47.920 know going up about forty fifty. Bucks i'm, like all, 2578 02:09:48.000 --> 02:09:50.479 right let's do a couple hands, Here let's see if 2579 02:09:50.520 --> 02:09:51.880 we can bump this up a little, bit and then 2580 02:09:51.880 --> 02:09:53.680 we're gonna go to. Bed we're gonna do the responsible. 2581 02:09:53.720 --> 02:09:56.239 Thing back in the, day IF i ran a bank 2582 02:09:56.359 --> 02:09:58.600 roll up a couple hundred. Bucks i'm walking over the 2583 02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:01.199 dollar slots putting like threeundred dollars and the dollar slots 2584 02:10:01.239 --> 02:10:04.680 trying to catch a slot that's like fifteen. Grand BUT 2585 02:10:04.760 --> 02:10:07.079 i bet a couple of fifty dollars, hands won a, 2586 02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:09.479 few one up two hundred, bucks AND i went to. Bed, 2587 02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:12.079 WOW i was in bed by. Ten SO i actually 2588 02:10:12.079 --> 02:10:14.039 did The vegas thing WHERE i played some cards and 2589 02:10:14.039 --> 02:10:15.680 won a couple hundred bucks and got to bet on. 2590 02:10:15.720 --> 02:10:16.600 TIME i was very proud of. 2591 02:10:16.680 --> 02:10:21.640 Myself like, you the few times THAT i have decided 2592 02:10:21.680 --> 02:10:27.399 to lay some money down on the, TABLES i always 2593 02:10:28.079 --> 02:10:30.279 get a way ahead of. Myself, right you win a couple, 2594 02:10:30.399 --> 02:10:36.319 hands the machine goes your way a few, times sometimes real, 2595 02:10:36.479 --> 02:10:39.840 conveniently you, know goes your way a few. Times you 2596 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:42.560 get a few good, hands you're up fifty, bucks and 2597 02:10:42.600 --> 02:10:44.439 then you're all. In you get a taste of a 2598 02:10:44.479 --> 02:10:47.159 spent you're all. In so that's always been my. Issue so, 2599 02:10:47.239 --> 02:10:49.399 YEAH i JUST i steer clear of. IT i hang 2600 02:10:49.439 --> 02:10:51.920 out of the sports, book throw a few parlays in 2601 02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:52.760 and see what we can. 2602 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:55.479 Do, now the only way to win is to grind 2603 02:10:55.760 --> 02:10:57.600 and build a bit of a bank roll and then 2604 02:10:57.800 --> 02:11:00.279 bet some big hands and if you win those big, 2605 02:11:00.279 --> 02:11:03.960 hands that's when you do What you walk away go. 2606 02:11:04.039 --> 02:11:07.479 Home Kenny, rogers our, guy the, gambler got to know 2607 02:11:07.479 --> 02:11:09.279 where to do. It you don't want to walk. Away 2608 02:11:09.359 --> 02:11:12.800 so successful one day trip To, VEGAS i would, say 2609 02:11:12.800 --> 02:11:14.720 it's great to be, back but it feels Like january 2610 02:11:14.760 --> 02:11:17.680 and It's i'm not gonna lie. Landing after taking off 2611 02:11:17.720 --> 02:11:19.720 in sixty eight degree, weather taking the uber to the 2612 02:11:19.720 --> 02:11:22.800 house and seeing the car buried in, SNOW i almost 2613 02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:25.039 called in. Sick i'm, Like i'm not doing the. Show 2614 02:11:25.079 --> 02:11:25.319 this is. 2615 02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:27.800 Stupid it Is april and we're still dealing with. This 2616 02:11:27.880 --> 02:11:32.399 but WHEN i went to The Rose, bowl however many years, 2617 02:11:32.439 --> 02:11:35.079 ago that was it's a. BLUR i came back in 2618 02:11:35.399 --> 02:11:36.199 not to one up. 2619 02:11:36.239 --> 02:11:36.800 You my. 2620 02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.159 CAR i left it at The. HOMELAND i left it 2621 02:11:39.239 --> 02:11:42.239 up In, camas actually. BURIED i have. TO i had 2622 02:11:42.279 --> 02:11:45.199 to look for the car it. Was it was buried in. 2623 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:48.840 Snow of, course that was a record. Winter SO i 2624 02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:50.880 fill you. There when you when you get home from 2625 02:11:50.960 --> 02:11:53.840 somewhere tropical and your car's, buried it's a it's a little. 2626 02:11:53.840 --> 02:11:55.680 Worse AND i didn't leave the heat onto the house. 2627 02:11:55.880 --> 02:11:57.640 Nice so you walk in and you, know trying to 2628 02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:00.039 save money on the Power. Billy you walk in and 2629 02:12:00.079 --> 02:12:03.840 it is. Freezing you gotta throw the coat, on the hat, 2630 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:06.119 on the gloves, on dig your car out and drive to. 2631 02:12:06.159 --> 02:12:09.800 Work but looks like it'll be warm next. Week but you, 2632 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:13.000 know you never. Know oftentimes you get hit with another. 2633 02:12:13.039 --> 02:12:17.000 One Sometimes, april Sometimes, may Sometimes. June but good to 2634 02:12:17.039 --> 02:12:19.199 be back here In Salt lake after a little trip 2635 02:12:19.239 --> 02:12:21.960 To vegas with the. Youth all, Right, porter before we 2636 02:12:21.960 --> 02:12:23.600 say go. It, oh by the, WAY i will be 2637 02:12:23.640 --> 02:12:28.079 on television tonight with The, goat Adamkl Adam, mikolitch Not Dave, 2638 02:12:28.119 --> 02:12:30.720 fox Not Dave, fox the sweetest man in the. WORLD 2639 02:12:31.039 --> 02:12:33.560 i love How adam always puts a positive spin on, 2640 02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:36.399 everything even when it's not going. Well So i'll be 2641 02:12:36.439 --> 02:12:39.479 call It Talking. Jazz that's on ten ten thirty five ON, 2642 02:12:39.560 --> 02:12:42.479 Camyu so stay tuned for. 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