Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand.
Speaker 2: Mary. Welcome to Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Hi, this is Mary.
Speaker 2: How can I help you? Mary?
Speaker 1: I have a child that I sent I'm a Calvinist
Speaker 1: by nature, okay, and I sent my child to a
Speaker 1: Christian college that purports that type of theology, and she
Speaker 1: is now going to a church that basically preaches universalism,
Speaker 1: and I'm very concerned for her. It's like, there's the
Speaker 1: pastor's preaching that there's basically no hell, and I want
Speaker 1: to know how I can reach her.
Speaker 2: This is a weird one because really, on its face,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense. You really have to stretch hard
Speaker 2: to try and get you know, that everyone gets to
Speaker 2: heaven type thing, and there's no consequences to actions at all.
Speaker 2: Just doesn't really fit into scripture. I will say this.
Speaker 2: In Matthew chapter twenty five, verse forty six, it says,
Speaker 2: and these will go away into eternal punishment, but the
Speaker 2: righteous into eternal life. The Greek word there for eternal
Speaker 2: in both cases isious, and both the same words, so
Speaker 2: there's no reason to think that one is speaking about
Speaker 2: eternity and then the other one's not. So it's almost
Speaker 2: like you wish fulfillment to say, well, no, when it's
Speaker 2: talking about eternal life, it means eternal life. But when
Speaker 2: it's talking about eternal punishment, it's not really talking about eternity.
Speaker 2: God's just going to either make them cease to be
Speaker 2: or God's going to bring them into heaven. Has God
Speaker 2: won everybody in heaven? Absolutely? But a clear but often
Speaker 2: misunderstood answer to this deals with me being in the
Speaker 2: garden of Gathsemone and I'm in the garden and if
Speaker 2: you remember, I'm praying to the Father and I say,
Speaker 2: if this cup can pass from me? And essentially God says, no,
Speaker 2: it can't. But what am I asking? Am I saying
Speaker 2: just I don't want to have to go to the cross.
Speaker 2: It seems like a hassle.
Speaker 3: Dad.
Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is that if there's any other
Speaker 2: way into heaven, if you can get into heaven by
Speaker 2: being a good person, if you can get into heaven
Speaker 2: by believing whatever you want, if you can get into
Speaker 2: heaven any other way, then I don't want to have
Speaker 2: to do this. And not in words, but obviously in action,
Speaker 2: the response is no, this is the way that it
Speaker 2: needs to be done, and it's like that in every
Speaker 2: aspect of life. I think it's a beautiful thought, a
Speaker 2: beautiful notion. But universalism even has its own problems. It
Speaker 2: sounds like, oh gosh, but it receives all things. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It doesn't receive those things in which it
Speaker 2: disagrees with. So it isn't as universal as you think.
Speaker 2: It does have a point where it says, no, you're wrong,
Speaker 2: and if there is, because even if you say there's
Speaker 2: you know, universalism is wrong, they'd say, no, you're wrong,
Speaker 2: which implies that there is a wrong. And if there
Speaker 2: is a wrong, then you're accountable for it. So why
Speaker 2: are they not looking to see if they are accountable
Speaker 2: for what they're staying or saying, or the statements they're making.
Speaker 2: It's becoming really popular and you'll find people, even very
Speaker 2: well educated pastors and leaders right about this. I think
Speaker 2: that the weight of the concept of eternity weighs on people,
Speaker 2: and people say, but God is loving God, Yes, but
Speaker 2: love comes with consequences. True love is telling somebody they
Speaker 2: have something in their teeth. True love is letting somebody
Speaker 2: giving them the freedom to make decisions even if they're bad.
Speaker 2: You protect them as you can. But you can't protect
Speaker 2: someone from themselves. And to take that away or to
Speaker 2: somehow say that, oh, well, it's just you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you do, it really starts wreaking of satanism,
Speaker 2: which is due as thou wilt as the whole of law.
Speaker 2: If you do whatever you want and you'll get in
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter, then none of it matters. Then
Speaker 2: there is no pattern, no otness, nothing you should do
Speaker 2: you should not do, that plays a part in it
Speaker 2: at all. It doesn't matter. If there are no scoring
Speaker 2: mechanisms in a game or sport of any kind, and
Speaker 2: there are no rules, it is no longer a sport,
Speaker 2: it is no longer a game, it's no longer worth watching.
Speaker 2: There must be consequences, if for no other reason, then
Speaker 2: man is an intellectual being created with intellect, will and emotion,
Speaker 2: and knows the difference between right and wrong. If you
Speaker 2: know the difference between right and wrong, that implies that
Speaker 2: there is a oughtness, there is something that you should
Speaker 2: do or should not do, And if there is something
Speaker 2: that you should do and should not do, there is
Speaker 2: going to be a reward or a consequence. That's in everything.
Speaker 2: That's not unreasonable. If you build something wrong, it falls apart.
Speaker 2: If you say something wrong, it's not understood. If you
Speaker 2: reject the medicine, you die. I know that people run
Speaker 2: around saying that the concept of God is a fairy tale,
Speaker 2: But what is a fairy tale is the desire to
Speaker 2: believe that there is no consequences. The fairy tale is
Speaker 2: that you don't need the medicine and you'll self heal. Yet,
Speaker 2: when somebody does it in the spiritual sense, when somebody
Speaker 2: in the spiritual world says, you know what you get
Speaker 2: in now, I'm reducing and using reductionism. I'm reducing the
Speaker 2: universalist's belief for the sake of conversation. But really it
Speaker 2: has no place in the Bible at all. The Bible
Speaker 2: talks about reward and consequence, and the punishment of hell
Speaker 2: is where people get confused. It's not as much about
Speaker 2: being punished as it is God allowing you to go
Speaker 2: to a place that you've chosen to go. You've said
Speaker 2: I want to go here. I want to be in
Speaker 2: a place where God isn't because I have rejected that
Speaker 2: God for the entirety of my life. You want to
Speaker 2: know hell to a person who has rejected God and
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be with God for the seventy eighty
Speaker 2: ninety measly years you're on. You know what hell is
Speaker 2: to somebody who rejects God. Hell would be heaven to
Speaker 2: sit with God and be in his present and worship
Speaker 2: him for eternity. So God, out of his love, allows
Speaker 2: you to reject Him to the point of death and
Speaker 2: go to a place where his salvation is no longer.
Speaker 2: The pain of hell is knowing, is now knowing what
Speaker 2: you already knew, that you need God, but you rejected it.
Speaker 2: But it's done. Universalism is the equivalent of picking up
Speaker 2: a loaded gun, pointing at another human being, shooting them,
Speaker 2: and then somehow saying, you know what, I can see
Speaker 2: that they're dead. Now I don't want that consequence. I
Speaker 2: want to do over. I want that bullet back and
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. You're smarter than that. You
Speaker 2: know more than that. It's not based on ignorance. It's
Speaker 2: based on rejection, and there's a difference. Norma, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Jesus Christ Show. Yes, Hi, well, yes, do you
Speaker 2: have a question.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, My question is reading the Harry Potter books,
Speaker 3: which is grand My granddaughter wants to start reading them.
Speaker 3: Is that letting the devil in because of the contents
Speaker 3: of the books?
Speaker 2: Oh, No, more so than reading Tolkien or reading C. S. Lewis,
Speaker 2: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. Really, it's it's
Speaker 2: about context and the child understanding. There might be a
Speaker 2: point where a child might be too young for them
Speaker 2: and they should always be explained and if you, you know,
Speaker 2: have good parents, set of parents that are willing to explain. Well,
Speaker 2: this is fantasy, but some of those fantasy things that
Speaker 2: are talked about are concerns to us as Christians. If
Speaker 2: it's a Christian household, and talk about those and explain those.
Speaker 2: I think that it that it's perfectly fine. It's like
Speaker 2: anything else. It's a it's a wonderland. And then there's
Speaker 2: people that say, well C. S. Lewis always had the
Speaker 2: backdrop of Christianity, but you wouldn't know that. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: know it if you weren't a believer, if you weren't
Speaker 2: a Christian, you'd be reading it that it's dealing with,
Speaker 2: you know, mystical lands and mystical creatures and all of
Speaker 2: these things. So really it's about you putting it in
Speaker 2: the context and protecting yourself that way, and if there's
Speaker 2: something questionable in it, explain why it's questionable, and set
Speaker 2: an age limit if you'd like for for the children
Speaker 2: to read it. There are some some things in the
Speaker 2: Harry Potter series that I think a little interesting for
Speaker 2: the younger set and probably not the best for them
Speaker 2: to consume. But there's other things that I think teach
Speaker 2: a lot about friendship and loyalty and right and wrong,
Speaker 2: and those are those are wonderful principles no matter how
Speaker 2: they're seated. You just have to take the time to
Speaker 2: know what your children or reading and explain it to them.
Speaker 3: Now, what about the spells and the connototionans that they say,
Speaker 3: I've heard that those are real spells? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Well, there are people that make those claims, and there
Speaker 2: might be some sort of ties to There's things that
Speaker 2: I hear people say over and over as believers sometimes
Speaker 2: that I tell them, Hey, there's Scripture says not to
Speaker 2: pray anything over and over in a chant or some
Speaker 2: sort of mantra or anything like that. I would say,
Speaker 2: when if there are spells and incantations that you're concerned about,
Speaker 2: then you make them known and you explained to the
Speaker 2: child as to what they are and why it is
Speaker 2: not a part of that household. But there are things,
Speaker 2: for instance, there are things that are said and described
Speaker 2: in scripture that are not prescribed. They would not be
Speaker 2: something that a Christian should do. Even I said at
Speaker 2: one point, don't use the word raka, which was a
Speaker 2: dirty word. Now I said it, but I was saying
Speaker 2: it in a context not to say it. So there,
Speaker 2: and there's even Paul even quotes non Christian sources at
Speaker 2: times that are quoted now in scripture. So it's a
Speaker 2: matter really of context. It's very easy for people to get,
Speaker 2: you know, fly off the handle and say, oh, it's
Speaker 2: evil and this and that. Am I thrilled about that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that stuff, the incantations and stuff,
Speaker 2: give children a false understanding of how the world works.
Speaker 2: But it is fantasy, and as long as you tell
Speaker 2: them and explain to them, that part is fantasy. But
Speaker 2: there are people that believe in witchcraft, and there are
Speaker 2: people that believe that this is going to change their life.
Speaker 2: That is not the way we work in this family.
Speaker 2: And this is why I think is a legitimate jumping
Speaker 2: off point into the conversation that witchcraft exists, and there
Speaker 2: are those, and there's arguments people going between white witchcraft
Speaker 2: and black witchcraft, to white magic and black magic and
Speaker 2: all that. You know, are you a good witch or
Speaker 2: are you a bad witch? And all this business. Scripturally,
Speaker 2: it's all the same, regardless of the person's heart, it's
Speaker 2: all the same. No to witchcraft across the board, to incantations,
Speaker 2: to casting spells, all of that across the board. Bad
Speaker 2: Scripture does not contone and condone it. But there's going
Speaker 2: to be stories of it, and there's even stories of
Speaker 2: it in scripture, And if you made a movie of scripture,
Speaker 2: there'd be so much stuff that Christians couldn't even see.
Speaker 2: Yet it's in the Bible. So really it's not about
Speaker 2: whether they come in contact with it or not. It's
Speaker 2: whether you explain it well enough and that they have
Speaker 2: a good understanding of what it is in their life
Speaker 2: and how it affects them. Unice, Welcome to the Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ Show.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Hi, how.
Speaker 2: Can I help you?
Speaker 4: Okay, I have a question and my question is in
Speaker 4: disconnected to the question that lady asked about it Harry
Speaker 4: Potter Show. I know that man lives in the body
Speaker 4: and man has spirit.
Speaker 2: And so m well, there, it depends on Some people
Speaker 2: say that there's there's a difference what they call dichotomists
Speaker 2: and trichotomists. A dichotomist believes in the flesh and the spirit.
Speaker 2: A trichotomists would say there's flesh, spirit and soul. But
Speaker 2: some people see them as different things.
Speaker 4: So just to clarify which, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on where you stand. Theologically. Most Christians
Speaker 2: tend to be dichotomists, meaning that they believe in the
Speaker 2: flesh and the immaterial part, which is considered the spirit
Speaker 2: of the soul. Okay, so what what is your question?
Speaker 4: Okay? My question then, is you say that the lady
Speaker 4: asks you if it's okay to read the Harry's Potter,
Speaker 4: the Harry Potter's books and whatever personal I have not
Speaker 4: I have asked a Christian. I've made up my mind.
Speaker 4: I don't watch the movies, I don't read it. I
Speaker 4: believe that I have to protect goes through my eyes,
Speaker 4: through my mind, and through my ears agree, and I
Speaker 4: also try to encourage people around me not to do that.
Speaker 4: So my question is, how do we protect ourselves from
Speaker 4: those influences of evil, say, through the movie, through books
Speaker 4: like Harry Potters, and through what people say.
Speaker 2: First of all, the most important thing, and people don't
Speaker 2: understand this about scripture either, is no simply the difference
Speaker 2: between prescriptive and descriptive language. There's a difference between describing
Speaker 2: something that happens. The Bible itself is the most vulgar,
Speaker 2: the most violent book that you will ever read. There
Speaker 2: is perversions among perversions in scripture, like you've never ever
Speaker 2: heard about bestiality, all kinds of ugliness, but it's not
Speaker 2: prescribing them. It's describing that they're taking place. Okay, so
Speaker 2: you want to read about incantations and stuff like that
Speaker 2: that exists in scripture. It talks about sorcery in scripture.
Speaker 2: It talks about witchcraft in scripture. It talks about those things.
Speaker 2: So what you don't want is anything that is prescribing.
Speaker 2: You should do this. Also, if it's prescribing it, then
Speaker 2: absolutely you put it aside or you read it academically
Speaker 2: as an adult. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 2: that there are going to be some people that you know,
Speaker 2: there's some people that have better physical balance than others,
Speaker 2: and they may be an acrobat, but your average person
Speaker 2: can't do that well spiritually. There are people that have
Speaker 2: different strengths and weaknesses as well, and there are some
Speaker 2: people units I wouldn't have get near certain things because
Speaker 2: it's not in their spirit to do so. The fact
Speaker 2: that you limit yourself shows me that you're a mature
Speaker 2: Christian who says, this is not what I want in
Speaker 2: my life. Period. It may be okay for me to
Speaker 2: read I may have the liberty in Christ to read it,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to And you need to have
Speaker 2: that discernment and that ability, which is why I tell
Speaker 2: parents to be active and participatory in their children's life,
Speaker 2: especially the things that they read and consume in life,
Speaker 2: because it seems that parents barely watch what their children
Speaker 2: are consuming physically with food, let alone the spiritual and
Speaker 2: the intellectual. Having said that, the way you would defend
Speaker 2: yourself where the Christian would defend themselves is really Ephesians
Speaker 2: breaks it down in Ephesian six about putting on the
Speaker 2: full armor of God and having being girded in your
Speaker 2: loins with the truth, so everything is bound by the
Speaker 2: truth first and foremost, saying, having put on the breastplate
Speaker 2: of righteousness, that the very core of who you are
Speaker 2: should be based on doing the right thing as you
Speaker 2: understand it. As Scripture says, there is a truth and
Speaker 2: it is universal. Should be living life based on that righteousness,
Speaker 2: not on what you know will get you this, or
Speaker 2: what will get you that, or what the quick way
Speaker 2: is or what the you know the easier way. It's
Speaker 2: about doing the right thing, having your feet shod with
Speaker 2: the preparation of the Gospel of peace. So your your
Speaker 2: very footing should be based on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: That should be the very footing of everything. And then
Speaker 2: it goes on to say and then taking on the
Speaker 2: helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which
Speaker 2: is the word of God. So those are the things
Speaker 2: that you protect yourself with. And if in using those things,
Speaker 2: you come to the decision, I do not want to
Speaker 2: participate in this, or I do not want to participate
Speaker 2: in that, so be it. Then do not keep that
Speaker 2: protect yourself from that. If you know where your strengths
Speaker 2: and weaknesses lie. But it doesn't mean that another Christian
Speaker 2: might have different strength, and it might not bother them.
Speaker 2: Because somebody has to read these things and see these
Speaker 2: movies to tell you not to read them or see them.
Speaker 4: But that's exactly why I'm asking a question. But here's
Speaker 4: a lady who is asking I haven't gone to any
Speaker 4: theological school whatever done in the studies. I would say
Speaker 4: bluntly that I went to the school of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 4: Like I listened to the Word of God. I opened
Speaker 4: my heart to God. I love God with my heart,
Speaker 4: my soul, and my spirit. So I've just learned whatever
Speaker 4: I talked my beliefs through my experiences with God and
Speaker 4: the Holy Spirit. But to me, the lady who asked
Speaker 4: the question, you are on the radio and we're asking
Speaker 4: all these questions. That means you haven't understanding and you
Speaker 4: were in position to answer all these questions. She asked
Speaker 4: her child wants to read the Harry's Potter, the Harry
Speaker 4: Potter's book. So I would just know that she has
Speaker 4: not reached that point where she would say draw the
Speaker 4: line and say no, I have children. I would tell
Speaker 4: my child. If my child is living in my house
Speaker 4: and he wants to read the Harry Potter, I would
Speaker 4: say no, and I'll tell her the reasons why I
Speaker 4: don't want my child to do that, because I believe
Speaker 4: in I agree and believe in everything that you have
Speaker 4: just told me about ehisions. But some people are not
Speaker 4: there yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's part of the growing process units and
Speaker 2: they still you still need that. I'm here for three
Speaker 2: hours on a Sunday, and they're only going to be
Speaker 2: able to ask me in this context in this way
Speaker 2: those questions at that time. People need to build their strength.
Speaker 2: And what I want to do and what the purpose
Speaker 2: of the show is is to give them those tools
Speaker 2: to the best of the ability of the time. That
Speaker 2: we have to give them tools to be able to
Speaker 2: take with them. And that doesn't mean and I know
Speaker 2: the Church is really great on this. The Church wants
Speaker 2: to continue to say do this, don't do that. But
Speaker 2: there are but there are some things in scripture where
Speaker 2: it doesn't say, and you're going to have to use
Speaker 2: that discernment. How much of that wine becomes being buzzed
Speaker 2: or being drunk is going to be different on the individual.
Speaker 2: So if I said only drink half an ounce that
Speaker 2: that doesn't play for everyone, and in this case it
Speaker 2: wouldn't neither. The mother, the parent in this case is
Speaker 2: going to have to play a part. And I say
Speaker 2: that is reading it, understanding it, and participating in your
Speaker 2: child's consumption of it. That's a healthy rule across the
Speaker 2: board for all books, not just that, but Christians tend
Speaker 2: to feel comfortable with certain things because they feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: It's social, it's cultural, whatever it is. And that is
Speaker 2: where I think there's a problem, because if you say,
Speaker 2: well C. S. Lewis was a Christian, therefore his fantasy
Speaker 2: books are okay, even though they may have this, that
Speaker 2: and the other, yet these are not I think that's
Speaker 2: a good rule of thumb. But just because someone's a
Speaker 2: Christian doesn't mean they're going to be good at other
Speaker 2: things or that there isn't going to be something in there.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, outside of scripture its own self, you should
Speaker 2: be explaining and understanding and parsing these things with your children.
Speaker 2: And to make the fantasy of Harry Potter out to
Speaker 2: be the devil, I think causes major problems. And usually
Speaker 2: it comes from people not wanting to understand it or
Speaker 2: read it for themselves or take the time to read
Speaker 2: it with their children, so they just say no to
Speaker 2: all of it. And if that's your choice, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that is not the only choice. There are
Speaker 2: ways to look at these things, and to even take
Speaker 2: lessons out of them all. Truth is God's truth. Now
Speaker 2: what I prefer you get it through a purer source.
Speaker 2: You're not having to, you know, have the sense of
Speaker 2: an old cow and eat the hay and leave the sticks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I have met many wonderful, wonderful, godly children who
Speaker 2: are caught up by the characters in the fantasy and
Speaker 2: not the witchcraft, and they should be allowed, in the
Speaker 2: context of parental guidance, to explore those things. Otherwise, the
Speaker 2: repression of those things causes a gross curiosity that when
Speaker 2: the child gets of an age where they're allowed to
Speaker 2: read or do whatever they want, they go in whole
Speaker 2: hog head over heels and start seeing it from a
Speaker 2: much less fantasy point and now is a more practical point,
Speaker 2: and you get people dabbling in witchcraft, whereas a child
Speaker 2: who's seeing it as pure fantasy less likely to if
Speaker 2: it's explained to them. So the balance of these things
Speaker 2: is what I want. Jason, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was just wondering. I read through the Bible
Speaker 5: on several times and talk to several ministers, and each
Speaker 5: time I talked to a minister, I get a different answer,
Speaker 5: and the point being if who goes to if sinners
Speaker 5: goes to hell. But we're all taunt that we are sinners.
Speaker 2: Romans three twenty three says all of sin and falling
Speaker 2: short of the glory of God.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So how do we if we're all sinners and
Speaker 5: sinners go to hell? How is that going to work out?
Speaker 2: Well, there needs to be somebody who's a mediary, somebody
Speaker 2: who between you and the Father can vouch for you
Speaker 2: or pay for the cost of sin.
Speaker 4: You have.
Speaker 2: In Matthew one twenty one, it says she will give
Speaker 2: birth to a son, and you are to give him
Speaker 2: the name Jesus because he will save his people from
Speaker 2: their sins.
Speaker 5: I understand that, okay.
Speaker 2: And then you find in Hebrews five nine, and once
Speaker 2: made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for
Speaker 2: all who obey him. So you're starting to see kind
Speaker 2: of a pattern here as to what that means. Acts
Speaker 2: four twelve says salvation is found in no one else,
Speaker 2: for there is no other name under heaven given to
Speaker 2: mankind by which we must be saved. So imagine it
Speaker 2: this way, Jason, that if you read that everyone needs
Speaker 2: to go to jail, and then you read that everyone
Speaker 2: needs to go to jail unless they have a million dollars.
Speaker 2: That would automatically state that anyone with a million dollars
Speaker 2: willing to pay it wouldn't go to jail. So the
Speaker 2: sins that are done in life are sins against God.
Speaker 2: All sins are sins against God. So God is the
Speaker 2: one that sets the stakes. And because the justice of
Speaker 2: sinning against a holy, righteous, and eternal God have to
Speaker 2: be eternal by definition, that the only thing that can
Speaker 2: pay for that would be something eternal as well. In
Speaker 2: this case, it would be the holy and righteous, sinless
Speaker 2: Lamb of God taking on the sins of the world
Speaker 2: through the death and the Cross and resurrecting into glorified resurrection.
Speaker 2: And to those who believe and accept that and live
Speaker 2: for God, the payment is made on their behalf. To
Speaker 2: those that reject God, don't believe you exists, don't care
Speaker 2: once to do whatever they want, continue to live in
Speaker 2: the pattern of sin without the acceptance of the redemption,
Speaker 2: there is.
Speaker 5: None I see. Okay, that explains it to me a
Speaker 5: little bit better than what it has been in the past.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not always easy to comprehend it, in the
Speaker 2: sense that when you put it in religious terms, but
Speaker 2: when you put it in simple terms, imagine it this way.
Speaker 2: If there was a judge. If you're a judge and
Speaker 2: you're sitting on a panel to make a judgment, and
Speaker 2: there is someone standing before you that has been proclaimed guilty,
Speaker 2: and it happens to be your son, and you know
Speaker 2: that he's guilty, and you know that you, as the
Speaker 2: judge and righteously have to put upon him the greatest
Speaker 2: fine because of the act in which he did. And
Speaker 2: let's say it's ten thousand dollars. You would justly say
Speaker 2: that he owes the court ten thousand dollars. But then
Speaker 2: you might take off your robe, stop being the judge
Speaker 2: for a moment, and be the father of that person,
Speaker 2: and pay that ten thousand dollars. Therefore, justice is served,
Speaker 2: justice is consistent, and it still stays righteous. But that
Speaker 2: only would happen for those who are the child of
Speaker 2: that judge. The judge didn't stop being a judge. The
Speaker 2: jud judge didn't change the laws or any of those things.
Speaker 2: The payment that has to be made is so great
Speaker 2: that a man or a woman could not make it.
Speaker 2: So the only way for that payment to be made
Speaker 2: would be this bridge, this opportunity, this payment by way
Speaker 2: of God himself, and people either accept that or reject it,
Speaker 2: and by accepting it will be redeemed. By rejecting it, no,
Speaker 2: they can't be redeemed. They continue to live in the
Speaker 2: state of being sinful.
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