Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, today was an interesting day in Dedham Superior Court
Speaker 2: where the trial of Karen Reid begin to look as
Speaker 2: if it was wrapping up a little bit. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, there were four questions from the jury.
Speaker 2: Now the trial lasted I think it was six weeks.
Speaker 2: This is the second trial she is charged in related
Speaker 2: to the death of her late boyfriend, Boston Police officer
Speaker 2: John O'Keefe. Read is charged with a second degree murder,
Speaker 2: which seems to me to be a bit of an overcharge.
Speaker 2: Possible second charges manslaughter while operating a vehicle under the
Speaker 2: influence of liquor, and there were lesser included charges there
Speaker 2: individual charge of manslaughter without reference to the liquor, motor
Speaker 2: vehicle homicide OUI, and then the third leaving the scene
Speaker 2: of an accident resulting in death. So those are the
Speaker 2: three charges that Karen Reid is facing today. Well, the
Speaker 2: jury got the case last Friday, as I think all
Speaker 2: of you know, they apparently spent an hour and a
Speaker 2: half on Friday, which was probably no progress at all
Speaker 2: on anything. That's a pretty brief amount of time for
Speaker 2: a jury. And then I think it was nine hours
Speaker 2: yesterday and maybe seven or eight hours today, so I
Speaker 2: think they have deliberated approximately sixteen hours now. The first
Speaker 2: trial a year ago, a year ago in the spring,
Speaker 2: went for twenty four hours of deliberation, so this is
Speaker 2: a significant amount of time. But they were four questions
Speaker 2: that came in today just to set the stage. Let
Speaker 2: me have Rob play a report that WBZTV's Christina Rex
Speaker 2: who has been covering the trial for WBZ, filed late.
Speaker 3: Today an indication from the jury in Karen Reid's retrial
Speaker 3: that they might be deadlocked on one charge, just like
Speaker 3: in her first trial.
Speaker 1: We're going ended up in the exact same position that we.
Speaker 2: Were in last year.
Speaker 4: There are other steps that can be taken to perhaps
Speaker 4: prevent that.
Speaker 3: Tensions mounted Tuesday as the jury approached sixteen hours of
Speaker 3: deliberations with no verdict, but a slew of questions for
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 4: What is the timeframe for the OUI charge? OUI at
Speaker 4: twelve forty five or OUI at five am? Our video
Speaker 4: clips of Karen's interview's evidence? And the third does convicting
Speaker 4: guilty on a sub charge example of fence to number
Speaker 4: five convict the overall charge.
Speaker 3: Indicating that jurors might be considering convicting Karen Reid of
Speaker 3: one of the lesser included charges like pure OUI or
Speaker 3: operating under the influence.
Speaker 2: This this is that's pretty good analysis by Christina Rex.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if she's a lawyer or not, but
Speaker 2: I think that her instinct on it is pretty good.
Speaker 2: I don't think this jury is going to end up
Speaker 2: in a hung jury. I just have that sense that
Speaker 2: a second a jury, a second time round, is going
Speaker 2: to figure that they have an obligation and they will
Speaker 2: be told if they come back and announce that they
Speaker 2: are are deadlocked, the judge will give them a charge,
Speaker 2: which will basically say they are the most qualified individuals
Speaker 2: that they've sat there and listened to all the evidence.
Speaker 2: They're the most qualified group of people anywhere in Massachusetts
Speaker 2: to determine her guilt or innocence in this case. The
Speaker 2: questions that we're interesting today, and again, without repeating what
Speaker 2: Christina reported, what is the timeframe for the OUI charge?
Speaker 2: That's an interesting question and one that frankly should have
Speaker 2: been anticipated, I think by the prosecution. So she was
Speaker 2: not charged with this crime, and obviously if whatever happened.
Speaker 2: Happened around a quarter of one, and she drove home.
Speaker 2: We are soon blissfully unaware of what did happen. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously her lawyers believe that John O'Keefe was able to
Speaker 2: walk into the house and a problem ensued, and that
Speaker 2: the inadequate investigation by the state police, you know, just
Speaker 2: just missed it. And that's why so many people are
Speaker 2: critical of the District attorney's office, Mike Morrissey's office in
Speaker 2: Norfolk County. She didn't realize, I guess that he had
Speaker 2: not come home until she woke up five o'clock and
Speaker 2: then she with a friend of hers, went out in
Speaker 2: the midst of the snowstone to try to find him.
Speaker 2: And you've seen the video and all of that. So
Speaker 2: the question was his videotape from the bar where she
Speaker 2: is being served some drinks. She did make some some
Speaker 2: admissions against interest in some of the television commercial the
Speaker 2: television interviews that she did after the first trial, so
Speaker 2: the jury could have been looking at that. The other
Speaker 2: thing is that I don't think that she had a
Speaker 2: blood alcohol test or a breathalyzer test until probably a
Speaker 2: quarter of nine the next morning, So that was I
Speaker 2: thought a pretty insightful question from the jury. And the
Speaker 2: second one dealt with the video clips of her interviews.
Speaker 2: Should they be considered and yes, the judge answered that
Speaker 2: pretty clearly. Yeah, I think no question. They are considered
Speaker 2: evidence and they can take that into consideration. Third one,
Speaker 2: does guilty on a sub charge mean guilty in the
Speaker 2: overall charge, So it would be the answer to that
Speaker 2: is no, because the overall charges manslaughter while operating a
Speaker 2: vehicle under the influence of liquor. They could come back
Speaker 2: with involuntary manslaughter, which is a sub charge of manslaughter
Speaker 2: or motor vehicle homicide or OUI. So all of this,
Speaker 2: and then the fourth question, which was the one that
Speaker 2: sort of rang the bell as to a year ago.
Speaker 2: If we find not guilty on two charges but kind
Speaker 2: of agree on one charge, is it a hung jury
Speaker 2: on all three charges or just one charge, which is
Speaker 2: the very questions that were asked after the jury was
Speaker 2: dismissed as a hung jury last July, if you recall,
Speaker 2: if you remember, and there were some jurors who came
Speaker 2: forward and said, yes, we had agreed that she was
Speaker 2: not guilty on second degree murder, and I believe it
Speaker 2: was not guilty on leaving the scene of an accent
Speaker 2: and resulting in death. But they apparently were still discussing
Speaker 2: manslaughter while operating a vehicle under the influence of liquor.
Speaker 2: As I understand, that's what the jurors were telling the
Speaker 2: defense lawyers post trial, and the judge today. Beverly Conone,
Speaker 2: when she was challenged by defense attorney Alan Jackson, CONNONI
Speaker 2: had said that that question about guilty on two charges, said,
Speaker 2: and kind agree on one charges is very similar to
Speaker 2: what but the first jury might have come back with.
Speaker 2: Cannone said, that's a theoretical question, not one that I
Speaker 2: can answer. Defense attorney Alan Jackson said that response was
Speaker 2: over our objection. He added, I don't think it's an
Speaker 2: appropriate answer to a very very clear question that could
Speaker 2: be answered in an innocuous way that does not impact
Speaker 2: miss Reed's rights the way it does. She responded that
Speaker 2: there are things she could do, so I suspect that
Speaker 2: they do if they were to come back and say
Speaker 2: we're deadlocked. I have to believe that this judge is
Speaker 2: going to learn from her past, in my opinion, errors
Speaker 2: and would say, okay, since you asked the question, are
Speaker 2: you deadlocked on all three charges or on just one
Speaker 2: or two of the charges, which then would allow the
Speaker 2: jury to come back with a partial verdict. But we'll see.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking for your thoughts after this day of
Speaker 2: interesting activity at the courthouse. How many of you think
Speaker 2: that a jury is a verdict is immited. How many
Speaker 2: of you think that this jury is going down the
Speaker 2: path that the first jury went down and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be a hung jury, or your thoughts in the case. Uh,
Speaker 2: this case has gone on and on and on. I
Speaker 2: think some people probably are feeling fatigued on this one.
Speaker 2: If there ever is a hung jury the second time,
Speaker 2: I wonder if morrisey, I mean it's it's it's a
Speaker 2: homicide case. The DA almost has to bring it a
Speaker 2: third time, but it would be kind of unprecedented in
Speaker 2: my opinion. I haven't researched all the case law in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: but if there's if does result in a hung jury,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be some tough questions, very tough question six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about this for a while tonight
Speaker 2: because it is the only story we're keeping our eye
Speaker 2: on the Middle East at this point. Obviously President Trump
Speaker 2: has now said we control the skies over Iran, which
Speaker 2: is an interesting year use of the plural first person
Speaker 2: plural we as opposed today meaning the Israeli pilots. We
Speaker 2: don't have pilots to the rest of our knowledge. Oh
Speaker 2: we may, but at this point we are unaware of it.
Speaker 2: So all of that is in play. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten
Speaker 2: thirty triple eight nine two, nine, ten thirty. Again, we
Speaker 2: certainly would talk about it for at least an hour
Speaker 2: or two. Uh, if you're out of state and you're
Speaker 2: intrigued by this case, which is now every night it
Speaker 2: plays on the national newscast quite prominently. It's certainly when
Speaker 2: that vertic comes in, the nation's going to know about it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of homicide cases that go on in
Speaker 2: this country on a day to day basis that no
Speaker 2: one knows about. This is one that a good portion
Speaker 2: of the country, not everyone, but a good portion of
Speaker 2: the country is aware of the implications of this case.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside, right after a couple of quick messages.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Now, I know there's a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: out there, well every day, there was a big crowd
Speaker 2: of people out there. I don't quite understand, and I'd
Speaker 2: love to have this as part of the conversation. If
Speaker 2: you've been out there, I would love to know what
Speaker 2: is the connection that causes you to be out there again.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that for every person who is out there
Speaker 2: wearing the color pink, which shows solidarity with Karen Reid,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that for different people there are different reasons.
Speaker 2: But if you're actually spending part of your day out
Speaker 2: there and again, you become part of a movement. I
Speaker 2: can't think of any trial in my memory, and maybe
Speaker 2: you can think of some where this many people on
Speaker 2: a consistent basis stood outside the courthouse day after day
Speaker 2: after day. Let's go to Mara down on Cape Cod
Speaker 2: Mari going to start us off tonight. Your thoughts are
Speaker 2: then her, how are you you're quick your thoughts of
Speaker 2: Karen Reid trial number two?
Speaker 5: So you know, I'm not in no position to say
Speaker 5: she's absolutely guilty or absolutely innocent. I just I feel
Speaker 5: bad that at the end of all of this, we're
Speaker 5: probably never going to know exactly what happened that night,
Speaker 5: and I feel that the the those that are chiefly
Speaker 5: responsible for us never knowing the real story are the police,
Speaker 5: the canton and or the mass State Police Department.
Speaker 6: They you know, they didn't.
Speaker 5: Knock on the door atty thirty four of air of you.
Speaker 5: I feel like that they, you know, neglected a lot
Speaker 5: of pieces that maybe could have answered a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: You know, I happen to share that that concern. I
Speaker 2: think the police, Uh, there's a body on the lawn,
Speaker 2: the body is dead. You would think that you'd say, well,
Speaker 2: why don't we check with the people inside? Maybe they
Speaker 2: heard something or they saw something. Seems like elementary police work.
Speaker 2: And I know that that has raised probably a lot
Speaker 2: of doubt in the minds of a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But I think that's a legitimate question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just and there's a lot Again, I'm not
Speaker 5: on the jury. I you know, I haven't listened to
Speaker 5: every minute of the trial, but I've heard I feel
Speaker 5: like I've heard enough of it that there's certainly reasonable doubt.
Speaker 5: There's you know, were the mocks on his arms caused
Speaker 5: by a dog or were they caused by the you know,
Speaker 5: the impact of the car or the you know, the
Speaker 5: suv or the you know. You have medical examiners who
Speaker 5: say they can't determine exactly what was the cause of death.
Speaker 5: So I just feel really bad that I think at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, there isn't going to be
Speaker 5: a clear answer, and I think that's the sad part in.
Speaker 7: All of this.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're right. Look, everybody has an opinion,
Speaker 2: and let's say the OJ Simpson case, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't think that. Again, people can have opinions, but there's nothing.
Speaker 2: I was hoping that there would be some more forensic
Speaker 2: evidence and maybe it was presented and I just didn't
Speaker 2: hear it in terms of where the car was, where
Speaker 2: it moved, when did it move, at what speed did
Speaker 2: it move? Was John Keith in the car out of
Speaker 2: the car? I don't know if the vehicle that she
Speaker 2: was driving would have captured that sort of evidence or.
Speaker 7: That sort of.
Speaker 5: Is the prostitution has now moved the time of impact
Speaker 5: or death or whatever. It's twelve forty five and and
Speaker 5: you have data that says that shows her having logged
Speaker 5: into the Wi Fi at home at twelve I don't know,
Speaker 5: thirty six or thirty eight or whatever it was before
Speaker 5: twelve forty five. So I don't know there's reasonables out there,
Speaker 5: and again it doesn't it doesn't give anybody a clear
Speaker 5: answer as to exactly what happened that night. And that's
Speaker 5: that's just the unfortunate part of all of this.
Speaker 7: No, did you ever.
Speaker 2: Did you ever ride up from the cape to to
Speaker 2: survey the situation? Did you ever go up there? Do
Speaker 2: you know anybody who sat outside the courthouse in solidarity
Speaker 2: with Karen Reid?
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, not at all. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: I've just honestly I remember, you know, when it happened
Speaker 5: and hearing about it and thinking, oh my gosh, that's awful.
Speaker 5: And then you know, the first trial started and it
Speaker 5: was probably well underway by the time I kind of
Speaker 5: got up to speed or started getting interested in it,
Speaker 5: and you know, kind of piecing the bits of information
Speaker 5: that I got, piecing it together and thinking, wow, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just I just feel like there's certainly a lot
Speaker 5: of reasonable doubt again just based on the information.
Speaker 2: Oh, I get it. And you're not trying to pronounce
Speaker 2: a verdict, you know, on the dry. But but I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this there's.
Speaker 5: No answer, and I just feel bad about that.
Speaker 2: I originally was, Uh, you kind of caught my eye,
Speaker 2: particularly when you had the reporter, the guy who claims
Speaker 2: to be a reporter, who was, you know, sort of
Speaker 2: a turtle boy or whatever his name is. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I read some of his stuff and I just didn't
Speaker 2: find it to be at the journalistic level that I
Speaker 2: would want. So I kept following it in the Globe,
Speaker 2: in the Herald, where professional reporters were who had no involvement,
Speaker 2: no interest in the case. They weren't invested in it.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people. I hope we hear from
Speaker 2: some people who were there on a regular or semi
Speaker 2: regular basis to find out what drove them to this,
Speaker 2: to this case. There have been other high profile cases
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, but there was something about this one that
Speaker 2: caught the imagination of a lot of people. Mar love
Speaker 2: your phone call. Thanks for getting this going.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it all right, Dan, thank you, take care
Speaker 5: you too.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Thanks very much. That's a great,
Speaker 2: great call. Let's keep rolling here. I should have asked
Speaker 2: more if she's first time caller, feel free if you
Speaker 2: are first time called it to let us know because
Speaker 2: that helps us decide what topics and with they should
Speaker 2: be placed in the show six one seven one line
Speaker 2: at six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty and
Speaker 2: one at six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: If you have been out there holding vigil, as it
Speaker 2: were for Karen Reid, I'd love to know your motivation, what,
Speaker 2: what drew you in? What got you that committed? Uh,
Speaker 2: it's again, everybody's got a different story, I'm sure, but
Speaker 2: it seems to me a tremendous commitment to the people,
Speaker 2: the men and women who have been their day after
Speaker 2: day during the course of this end or the first trial.
Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after these quick messages, followed by
Speaker 2: a newscast at the top of the at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hour, I should say.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray, I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Or Let's go. I thought that Moore's call was really interesting,
Speaker 2: and I know Debor is going to do the same
Speaker 2: for us here up in Salem. Hi, Deborah, how are
Speaker 2: you tonight?
Speaker 6: Good evening, mister Dean Ray. Thank you for taking my
Speaker 6: phone call, Thank you.
Speaker 2: For calling in. What have you followed this case closely?
Speaker 2: I'll bet you have.
Speaker 6: I'm a first time caller, sir, Well.
Speaker 2: How about that. Let's get a rude in a wall house. Look,
Speaker 2: you don't have called me, sir. This isn't the army,
Speaker 2: this is Knight's side. Go ahead.
Speaker 6: I had, Yes, I had to say, I listened to
Speaker 6: you for the past year, and I'm trying to be.
Speaker 8: Loyal.
Speaker 7: We's not.
Speaker 6: Two major victims in this very sad situation in case,
Speaker 6: first of all police officer John o'keith and also his
Speaker 6: poor mother. Yeah, I've watched her on TV. Her head
Speaker 6: now all the time. She said, some major losses within
Speaker 6: the past four years, such as her daughter, followed by
Speaker 6: her son in law, and lastly this mysterious case and
Speaker 6: death of police officer John o' keith. We had to
Speaker 6: get out of me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you this. There were the two
Speaker 2: children that John O'Keefe adopted were a the children of
Speaker 2: his sister and his brother in law.
Speaker 6: I think that was stated in court.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure, but I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, I'm just saying that would be logical. I was.
Speaker 2: I was unaware. I knew that he had adopted two
Speaker 2: children and you know who had lost both their parents obviously,
Speaker 2: So go, go right ahead. I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 2: Go right ahead.
Speaker 6: No, that's fine. I'm not going to talk much longer.
Speaker 6: I don't even be the jury. They have a very
Speaker 6: tough case. This is one of the toughest cases I've
Speaker 6: ever heard of my life. And where I stand, what's
Speaker 6: the miss read, I'm I'm not sure whether she's innocent
Speaker 6: and guilty only the goodwife though. And I've heard the
Speaker 6: two doctors whose names I cannot mention talk about animal wounds,
Speaker 6: and I believe that would tell him the truth, that
Speaker 6: it's just a tough case. And I remember he thinks
Speaker 6: that the jury, very annual, will give the correct verdict.
Speaker 2: Let us hope so. By the way, in terms of
Speaker 2: the animal wounds, as I'm sure the so called dogfights,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are convinced that there was a
Speaker 2: dog in the house and he went inside and a
Speaker 2: brawl broke out and the dog attacked him at the
Speaker 2: same time. I don't know if if if he was
Speaker 2: actually and again I don't know the answers there. I'm
Speaker 2: only asking the questions. If he was hit by the
Speaker 2: car and fell on the lawn and died, could not
Speaker 2: have an animal come along and and and bit at
Speaker 2: at what was a dead body. I mean, I just
Speaker 2: think that you know, again, I wasn't in court either,
Speaker 2: But it seems to me that this story you can
Speaker 2: come up with all sorts of scenarios, and I am
Speaker 2: as mystified by it as you are. I have a
Speaker 2: strong feeling as to what happened in the O. J.
Speaker 2: Simpson case, but I don't have a very strong feeling
Speaker 2: as to what happened here. But the people who stand
Speaker 2: out there day after day in the hot sun obviously
Speaker 2: are totally committed to a belief in her innocence.
Speaker 6: As I said, I have great trust because jury knows
Speaker 6: best and they will.
Speaker 2: I share that with you, By the way I share
Speaker 2: that with you. I've spent plenty of time in courtrooms
Speaker 2: as a lawyer and as a reporter, and I have
Speaker 2: always come away with the belief that unless you sit
Speaker 2: in a courtroom for the entirety of a trial, or
Speaker 2: you're trying the case, you don't know it as well
Speaker 2: just by watching on television. But well, we'll see how
Speaker 2: I hope. I hope that the jury can come to
Speaker 2: a decision and there can be some closure here that's
Speaker 2: satisfactory to everyone. What they're going to decide, I have
Speaker 2: no idea to be really honest with you, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: even attempt to figure that one out at this point.
Speaker 2: Debry did great. Your sincerity is genuine. I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you taking the time to call. Thanks for listening to
Speaker 2: the show and call any night on this or any
Speaker 2: other topic. I really do appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much accepting my call. I think a
Speaker 6: lot of you, we all do.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Debora, call me Dan, Okay, I'm not that old.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much. I have a great night. All right,
Speaker 2: let's keep rolling. You're going to go to Mark in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, Mark next on night Saga, Right ahead? Mark.
Speaker 8: Yeah. First of all, Dan, you just made a comment
Speaker 8: about if side O'Keefe was lying on retchipts on the
Speaker 8: front lawn, could those marks have been caused by a
Speaker 8: stray animal? What like a bob cat or coyote or something. Dan.
Speaker 8: If that was the case, Dan, if it was the
Speaker 8: slightest possibility, don't you think that Adam Lalley in the
Speaker 8: first trial or Hank Brennan in the second trial would
Speaker 8: have brought that up. Neither one of them ever brought
Speaker 8: up the possibility of John O'Keefe being attacked while he
Speaker 8: was unresponsive on the front lawn by some wild animal.
Speaker 2: All I'm trying to say to you is that you
Speaker 2: always have to think of every possibility, whether you're a
Speaker 2: prosecutor or a defense.
Speaker 8: Lawyer or What I'm saying to you, sir, is that
Speaker 8: the prosecutors did not mention that in either trial before Dan. Therefore,
Speaker 8: the jurors cannot discuss that. Dan.
Speaker 2: I know the jury cannot discuss that, but I'm not
Speaker 2: a juror. You're not a juror. We're talking about it
Speaker 2: on the radio, Okay, And what I'm saying, I have
Speaker 2: my own thoughts as to what might have happened. I
Speaker 2: have tried to keep those thoughts to myself. Okay, every
Speaker 2: scenario that is there, including the scenario of the assault
Speaker 2: in the home resulting in his death. I don't know
Speaker 2: that if that happened that the people inside the home
Speaker 2: would have automatically said, I got a great idea, let's
Speaker 2: just put them on the front lawn. No one will
Speaker 2: notice till the spring. That's all I assume you have.
Speaker 2: I assume you hold on for a second. I assume
Speaker 2: you've solved the problem. You know exactly what happened, right Mark? Oh?
Speaker 8: Dan, Dan, all right, if you want to get sarcastic first, well, no.
Speaker 2: You're coming across like a tough guy. And I love
Speaker 2: dealing with tough guys. I love dealing with tough guys.
Speaker 8: What happened inside the house? What I do know? And medical?
Speaker 8: And I spent forty five years in the medical profession.
Speaker 8: What what did.
Speaker 2: You do in the medical profession.
Speaker 8: I was a clinical pharmacist.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, pharmacist.
Speaker 8: So I studied the I looked at the medical information
Speaker 8: that was present in this trial. The corner the only
Speaker 8: person that ever touched the body of John O'Keefe. In
Speaker 8: her autopsy report, she stated, and when she was crossed
Speaker 8: by uh was it Jackson or whoever had crossed her?
Speaker 8: She stated that she could not have stated that he
Speaker 8: was hit by a motor vehicle. There was no collision
Speaker 8: point on his body that would have been consistent with
Speaker 8: the like of an automobile. That was the coroner, Dan,
Speaker 8: That's not me. The coroner stated that in the report.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe maybe what if we follow your logic, Okay,
Speaker 2: assuming that it's logical, Uh, maybe the indictment never.
Speaker 8: Should be logical.
Speaker 2: Never, Well, I assume it is, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: the indictment never should have been broad as what I
Speaker 2: think you're saying.
Speaker 8: Ah, now you're talking sense.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm just following your logic. I'm following your logic.
Speaker 2: I didn't. I'm not characterizing in any sense Dan.
Speaker 8: Dan. First, first of all, I wanted to I really
Speaker 8: wanted to talk about the trial. But while I was
Speaker 8: on hold, you made a comment that I need to
Speaker 8: take umbrage with. You made a sleight of hand slap
Speaker 8: on the face comment at Aiden Cornie aka Turtle Boy. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and he sort of made the reference that he's not
Speaker 8: a real journals.
Speaker 2: He's not a professional journalist. To the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 2: who does he work for?
Speaker 8: Dan? I subscribe to his YouTube channel. Good for you,
Speaker 8: I'll be good for you. Admit. I'll be the first
Speaker 8: to admit, Dan, that Turtle Boy is rough around the edges.
Speaker 8: He's vulgar. Okay, you think I'm also going to say this.
Speaker 8: That guy has broken more stories in this case in
Speaker 8: all the Boston local Boston media stations combined.
Speaker 2: So he's run he's run circles around all the stations
Speaker 2: that's fine. You know what, Mark, I am not going
Speaker 2: to try to disabuse you of your opinion because it's
Speaker 2: clear to me from the intensity with which you say
Speaker 2: your beliefs, that you are absolutely convinced beyond.
Speaker 8: A reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2: You know exactly what happened. I know that, and I
Speaker 2: hear it in your voice. Mark, So what am I here?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to argue with you over this. I'm
Speaker 2: delighted that you called and presented your viewpoints.
Speaker 8: You're a fence sitter. You always have been when it's
Speaker 8: times listen to you.
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm not a fence sitter in anything.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fence sitter in anything. Mark. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what when I'm just smart enough to know that
Speaker 2: unless I have been in the courtroom for the entirety
Speaker 2: of the trial and have listened carefully to the entirety
Speaker 2: of the trial, there may be things that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have you been in the front room every day? Have
Speaker 2: you watched every day? Okay, well, good for you. And
Speaker 2: with your pharmaceutical degree. With your pharmaceutical degree, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that you have a perspective that gives you a unique
Speaker 2: ability to figure out exactly what happened, and I think
Speaker 2: you've sold I think you have.
Speaker 8: I told us, could I just make one more coliment
Speaker 8: about journalism and I'll give you.
Speaker 2: I'll give you thirty I've given you six minutes. I'll
Speaker 2: give you twenty five more seconds.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Okay, all right, thank you. So on January
Speaker 8: thirty twenty, WBZTV came out with a news story that
Speaker 8: there was ring camera video footage that Karen Reid of
Speaker 8: showing Karen Reid hitting John o'tiyeah.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 2: you're saying to be true. And because I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're saying to be true, since I do not
Speaker 2: know what you're saying to be true, it might be true.
Speaker 2: But since I do not know what you're saying to
Speaker 2: be true, Mark, I allowed it in the air, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying right now that's I'm not here to discuss
Speaker 2: how WBZTV, for whom I do not work. By the way,
Speaker 2: that's a competitor of WBZ Radio. So therefore, you felt
Speaker 2: it was important to say you've exceeded you thirty five seconds.
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you having called tonight. Thank you very much. Again,
Speaker 2: you can see the passion that exists here. If you're
Speaker 2: passionate about this story, let's talk about it. The only
Speaker 2: line that's open right now is six one seven, nine three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. I have tangled with Mark on other issues. Okay,
Speaker 2: he might be right. I don't know. I'm I'm big
Speaker 2: enough to admit I don't know that. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the result is. I don't know what actually happened.
Speaker 2: I look at I can look at a set of
Speaker 2: facts and surmise and think and discuss. That's what I do. Mark,
Speaker 2: because of his pharmaceutical degree, is an expert uh in
Speaker 2: in trial law. I never had when I was in
Speaker 2: law school, never had one pharmacy issue. If there was
Speaker 2: a pharmaceutical issue in a case, I would have found
Speaker 2: that expert witness. Maybe Mark, maybe not. Back on Nightside
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty, we will
Speaker 2: continue with our conversation right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray ONBZ Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Let's pick the pace up a little bit. Let's go
Speaker 2: first time out of state to Jony in Pennsylvania. Jony,
Speaker 2: I guess you're watching this down in Pennsylvania too.
Speaker 1: Well, No, exactly.
Speaker 6: But I've been following it through through your radio station.
Speaker 2: Good, great, great, great? What's your thoughts?
Speaker 5: What thought is?
Speaker 2: My question is, no matter.
Speaker 1: What the verdict is, do you think she'll get a.
Speaker 6: Book or a movie deal or both of both?
Speaker 2: EUSt I think there's a pretty good possibility of that,
Speaker 2: and it may be why she did some of the
Speaker 2: interviews between the first two cases. It's possible, it's possible.
Speaker 2: And again, if if she's acquitted or acquitted on most
Speaker 2: or all of the charges, I think that the movie
Speaker 2: deal becomes even more of a possibility. So we'll have
Speaker 2: to say that there's a lot of HBO and Netflix
Speaker 2: and all of that that are always looking for story
Speaker 2: ideas these days. So yeah, so a little bit easier necessarily.
Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be necessarily a major motion picture
Speaker 2: at the at the movie theaters, but I could see
Speaker 2: it being on HBO, Netflix, some of those discovery channels. Sure. Absolutely. Oh.
Speaker 6: Also prayer for the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. We want to make sure that that conflagration stays
Speaker 2: where it is and that it gets resolved quickly with
Speaker 2: some finality.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I have a great night, going to go
Speaker 2: to Alex and Millis Alex next on nights.
Speaker 7: I go, ahead, hey, Dan, how are you? I was, Oh,
Speaker 7: first of all, I want to congratulate you for being
Speaker 7: kind to the unkind.
Speaker 2: You're kind to say that, correct?
Speaker 7: Ahead, No, I was trying to keep my composure while
Speaker 7: you were sparring. So I was going to say, my
Speaker 7: wife is she goes? I hope they I hope they don't,
Speaker 7: you know, find her guilty. I feel so bad for
Speaker 7: that woman, you know, but I I know that something happened,
Speaker 7: but you know, there's doubt, but I know for sure
Speaker 7: that she was, you know, under the influence. She was
Speaker 7: driving under the influence. So they may find her guilty
Speaker 7: on those chargers. And the other thing is I can't
Speaker 7: understand is it like a cult following? You know, all
Speaker 7: these people in front of the courthouse. I have a
Speaker 7: doctor's appointment right near there tomorrow and I hate I
Speaker 7: didn't want to cancel it. But you know, I just
Speaker 7: say myself, do these people have you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of time on their hands that I don't.
Speaker 2: Want to diminish their them. I mean, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people who live and die with how the
Speaker 2: Red Sox do with the bruins or the Patriots, and
Speaker 2: they follow things closely. I would suggest that if you
Speaker 2: have a doctor's appointment there, you know, there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of ways to get into Debtum Park, two or three
Speaker 2: blocks further away. On the other side of your doctor's appointment,
Speaker 2: you'll find a good parking space, get a couple of
Speaker 2: off and get to the doctrine. Best of luck with
Speaker 2: that in the morning, Alex, I mean you won't. I
Speaker 2: don't think you'll be impacted by particularly if it's early,
Speaker 2: because even if they start early, it's gonna take it
Speaker 2: always takes half an hour an hour for them to
Speaker 2: reassemble and take whatever. Even if they were taking a
Speaker 2: vote tomorrow morning, I don't think you'd be I don't
Speaker 2: think you'd be a firstly impacted.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what's what's the rule of thumb? You know, the
Speaker 7: longer the trial takes, the longer the decision takes, the
Speaker 7: less app she's going to be found guilty.
Speaker 2: Well, the only rule of thumb that I've learned over
Speaker 2: the years is there really is no rule of thumb.
Speaker 2: There have been cases that have come back very quickly
Speaker 2: with an acquittal. There have been cases that have come
Speaker 2: back very quickly with a conviction, So there's really no
Speaker 2: rule of thumb, and anyone who tries to read a
Speaker 2: jury generally is going to be writ fifty percent of
Speaker 2: the time. I feel lucky as simple as that. Hey,
Speaker 2: thanks Alex, the best of luck with the doctor's point.
Speaker 2: Hope everything is well the morning.
Speaker 7: Okay, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks. I'm not a phrase them,
Speaker 7: Thanks Alex.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a good night. Those are you in the line? Frank,
Speaker 2: Steve and Ann Marie. You stay right there. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get right to you guys right after the news, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna stick with this for a while into certainly
Speaker 2: into the ten maybe even longer. This is the story
Speaker 2: of the day, as long as the piece well, as
Speaker 2: long as things remain stable in the Middle East. We're
Speaker 2: keeping an eye on that as well. Six one, seven, two,
Speaker 2: five four ten thirty one line there. Six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty one line there. If you
Speaker 2: die now, we'll get you in early during the ten
Speaker 2: o'clock news. Frank, Steve and Ann Marie stay right there,
Speaker 2: coming back right after the ten o'clock news. On Night
Speaker 2: Side with Dan Ray