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Speaker 1: This is Tom Thompson Castenos the Raptilian from Strange Group Podcast,
Speaker 1: and we're here I called the Conspiracy to talk about
Speaker 1: some bizarre and strange things. So strap in for this
Speaker 1: mild and hilarious ride. Now to the show, everybody. The
Speaker 1: curtains are open, we're checking tickets at the door. It's
Speaker 1: about to get strange.
Speaker 3: Everybody here, Jon, what's going on. I'm ironing Class Horror
Speaker 3: cast or first class Horror. We're gonna do something a
Speaker 3: little bit different this time, and we're going to I
Speaker 3: guess break down and analyze the movie The Witch, something
Speaker 3: that I actually wanted to do for a long time,
Speaker 3: but it was only on your I guess recommendation again, Tom,
Speaker 3: that I kind of actually sat down and went, actually, wait, yeah,
Speaker 3: this movie is like a lot better and a lot
Speaker 3: fucking scarier than I gave a credit and then just
Speaker 3: some lores around and witches and stuff. I'm joined by
Speaker 3: a very special guest who I am not going to
Speaker 3: butcher his usual introduction. So, why didn't you tell everybody
Speaker 3: who you are?
Speaker 2: I am Tom kat aka Tom Thompson or the Raptilian,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call I could care less, but
Speaker 2: I am one of the hosts of Strange Root podcasts,
Speaker 2: and essentially Aaron I'm like now I believe is under
Speaker 2: the umbrella too of the host heads production and he's
Speaker 2: kind of part of Strange Root podcast now also as
Speaker 2: one of the hosts because we've been doing a lot
Speaker 2: of content together and I'm super excited excited about this
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you, uh specifically why this movie unnerved me,
Speaker 2: and I'm especially on my second viewing. I remember seeing
Speaker 2: it a couple of years ago. I swore that my
Speaker 2: girlfriend saw it, but she was like, we watched it.
Speaker 2: She was like, no, I don't remember this, And didn't
Speaker 2: you say was this your first time? I thought you said,
Speaker 2: or did you have you seen it before? And then
Speaker 2: gave it another visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I had, I say, I watched it. It was
Speaker 3: one of those things I remember everybody talking about it
Speaker 3: and like I put it on and like seeing bits
Speaker 3: of the movie, Like I know that I probably watched
Speaker 3: the entire runtime but hadn't actually seen majority of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fucking spooky film. Yeah, and it's and
Speaker 2: I so when I started watching The Witch essentially, like
Speaker 2: I saw it a couple of years ago, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, it'd be really good
Speaker 2: film to watch outside. I'm watching a lot of horror movies.
Speaker 2: For all the people that are a fan of your show.
Speaker 2: I love horror movies, always have, always will, And throughout
Speaker 2: the summer you have a projector and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I've been watching movies outside, but I've been watching
Speaker 2: them on magic mushrooms, so it changes the experience a
Speaker 2: little bit. I've watched things like Phantasm, a lot of
Speaker 2: strange films. The one that fucked me up the most
Speaker 2: was definitely The Village because I'm like, whoa, this thing
Speaker 2: is that thing? And They're like, and I forgot about
Speaker 2: what happened in the film. That seems as a kid
Speaker 2: and I watched it, I was like, you, it would
Speaker 2: be good idea. I was thinking of all these different
Speaker 2: movies I wanted to do last week, and I was like,
Speaker 2: let's what's the Witch? And my girlfriend? I really remember
Speaker 2: watching my swore. I was like, who else would I've
Speaker 2: watched this with? I'm sitting down by myself maybe, but
Speaker 2: and I went outside and took about a gram of
Speaker 2: mushrooms or I like dose the day before just started
Speaker 2: at microados and no visuals, but I was still in
Speaker 2: the mindset of psychedelics essentially slight visuals maybe, but very
Speaker 2: slight soart a beer or two, and I got sucked
Speaker 2: into the movie hard in that time, Aaron, I'm having
Speaker 2: all these very contemplating thoughts. What was your experience for
Speaker 2: I start diving more into mine.
Speaker 3: I didn't have as cool of an experience. But one
Speaker 3: thing I will say, and I think I said this
Speaker 3: to you earlier in the week that I definitely felt
Speaker 3: like I had a really strange experience watching the movie.
Speaker 3: Even though I was stone cold sober, I really sat
Speaker 3: down and I kind of took your advice with like,
Speaker 3: you know, it was late at night, I was in
Speaker 3: a quiet room, there was no light. It was just
Speaker 3: a movie. And you see a lot of times when
Speaker 3: I watch a movie now, I don't even realize I'm
Speaker 3: doing it. I've got like my phone in my hand,
Speaker 3: or I'm like doing yes, I'm kind of like half
Speaker 3: doing other shit, and like a lot of times it
Speaker 3: kind of takes me out of the the atmosphere. Whereas
Speaker 3: I felt like this was the first thing in a
Speaker 3: long time that I actually sat there. I went right,
Speaker 3: I'm giving this my undivided attention for the next however
Speaker 3: long and I really got drawn into even like even
Speaker 3: to the point where I felt like I was like
Speaker 3: hypnotized by some of like the way I can't remember
Speaker 3: the guy's name who plays the dad, and oh yeah,
Speaker 3: his voice was like hypnotic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his weird rock. I can't describe his voice. And
Speaker 2: for everybody that's listening to this or watching it, I
Speaker 2: suggest you watched the movie okay before, and we should
Speaker 2: have this before we really get into anything.
Speaker 3: Is.
Speaker 2: If you haven't yet pause. You can rent it fairly cheaply.
Speaker 2: It is a very good movie. It gets you in
Speaker 2: the Halloween season, but sit down, watch it. It's only
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, which I like. It's a
Speaker 2: nice It does everything perfectly within that hour and a half.
Speaker 2: I feel like movies are drawn out now and they
Speaker 2: try to make them super long when they don't need
Speaker 2: to be, and this one's kind of perfect. So everyone,
Speaker 2: before we get into this, pause this, stop it and
Speaker 2: go watch the movie, and if you have already seen it,
Speaker 2: get ready, because we talk about a lot of crazy shit.
Speaker 2: The dad's voice is hypnotic though, and I don't know how, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it reminds me of like with arms wide over, like
Speaker 2: that creed kind of like voice.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And he has like that really a kind
Speaker 3: of a raspy, like deep yeah. And it's really weird
Speaker 3: because even listen to the trailer for a second ago,
Speaker 3: it's like and I know it's not like they didn't
Speaker 3: ady or his voice in afterwards or anything like that,
Speaker 3: but it really sounds like it points in it that
Speaker 3: he has his own specific microphone where he's very like
Speaker 3: when he's.
Speaker 2: Talking, I know the sound and ambience. I give the
Speaker 2: what's the director's name, Robert Eager? Yeah, she's and he
Speaker 2: has talks which hopefully I'm excited about to do No Sparatu,
Speaker 2: which will be awesome, which kind of I feel like
Speaker 2: trickles into our episode that we'll be doing all about
Speaker 2: vampire movies, which I'm super excited for. It's the I
Speaker 2: guess the atmosphere of this movie is like super creepy.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should get into like the synopsis I hate
Speaker 2: that word, but the overview of it as I smoke
Speaker 2: this bong hit and then we'll fucking get right into it.
Speaker 3: So the time period is sixteenth party in New England.
Speaker 3: William and Catherine try to lead a devout Christian life
Speaker 3: homesteading on the edge of an impassable wilderness with five children.
Speaker 3: When their newborn son mysteriously vanishes and their crop fails,
Speaker 3: the family begin to turn on one another the which
Speaker 3: is a chilling portray of a family unraveling within their
Speaker 3: own sins, leaving them pray for an inconceivable evil. Now,
Speaker 3: so this was not an issue I had, but I
Speaker 3: feel like that there's a little bit of disconnect between
Speaker 3: a lot of the plot outline and even sometimes the trailers.
Speaker 3: Some of the teasers I've seen, I still don't think
Speaker 3: it does the movie justice as to what it actually is.
Speaker 2: No, and I agree also, but it is a I
Speaker 2: feel like the trailer definitely doesn't do a justice. I
Speaker 2: would say this is probably one of the best Witch
Speaker 2: movies that I've seen. There's so many different we can
Speaker 2: talk about some of the movies and shit like that,
Speaker 2: but to me, this was definitely one of the best done.
Speaker 2: Which movie talking about which is when you think about
Speaker 2: that time error, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when you like when you look at this movie,
Speaker 3: it kind of makes me feel like, and I'm probably
Speaker 3: wrong in saying this, but there hasn't really been like
Speaker 3: a close second.
Speaker 2: No, I don't like and I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 2: what other movie has gave me this atmosphere and tone.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I was on a gram of mushroom.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting there and I feel like and it's
Speaker 2: on a one hundred inch screen outside, and I'm kind
Speaker 2: of in my feels about the movie. And then I
Speaker 2: came out of it, like me, and then me and
Speaker 2: my fiance sat there. I put on a hammer film
Speaker 2: I Night Creatures or whatever. I didn't I couldn't pay
Speaker 2: attention to its about like pirates and shit, and like
Speaker 2: my girlfriend wasn't interested. So we're talking to each other
Speaker 2: and then we're talking about our own haunted experiences. Right,
Speaker 2: We're talking about like nowhere' his energy go while I'm
Speaker 2: still like we and she's had her own ghost experiences
Speaker 2: and we're talking about like houses that we used to
Speaker 2: live in that had weird energy. So it's in this
Speaker 2: weird mindset. And then I'm also like kind of like
Speaker 2: I was frightened after the film coming from outside thinking
Speaker 2: about how I've used the Ouiji board a lot for
Speaker 2: people that don't know me. I have three of them.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a whole episode about it or a
Speaker 2: Halloween special, and I've messed around a lot of that
Speaker 2: cult stuff. And then when I'm sober, i'm my waking mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't give a shit, Like I know
Speaker 2: I can take these things off of me, essentially whatever
Speaker 2: attachments may come from using these type of objects and occultism.
Speaker 2: And as I left walking outside, I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to mess with that shit anymore. It's fucking freaky. Uh.
Speaker 2: The ending is, uh, we'll get into it later. I
Speaker 2: kind of want to build up throughout the film of
Speaker 2: what you think, but the ending is the best part
Speaker 2: of the movie in my opinion, and it's a very
Speaker 2: interesting artistic way of viewing witches and freaky, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking about it. I do believe that, Like you know,
Speaker 2: I believe that some of it right, and when it
Speaker 2: comes back then and men pointing fingers and all that
Speaker 2: stuff at people and saying, like I when of the
Speaker 2: stuff I was reading about witches, like even if you
Speaker 2: were just smarter essentially, if you're if you if you're
Speaker 2: a woman that kind of had intellect, they would start
Speaker 2: pouring the finger at you for being a witch. If
Speaker 2: you were an old woman that didn't have fucking family,
Speaker 2: they'd point the finger at you. But I do believe
Speaker 2: that people practiced all sorts of weird witchcraft and things
Speaker 2: and found books that maybe they shouldn't have in a
Speaker 2: time era that was all about religion. And it freaked
Speaker 2: me out thinking about that thought of like, do these
Speaker 2: entities and things that have maybe attached themselves to witches
Speaker 2: or people using that type of magic still exist to
Speaker 2: this day?
Speaker 3: And I think they do, And it's so it's so
Speaker 3: fucked as well. How you know, it was a time
Speaker 3: period where it was nearly as simple. I think this
Speaker 3: kind of ties into when we spoke about asylums and
Speaker 3: mental hospitals and stuff. Yeah, you know, and that was
Speaker 3: during the era where you could be like basically trow
Speaker 3: your wife into an asylum, like, well, Donald, she's psychotic,
Speaker 3: that's it, Like forget about her. And this was similar
Speaker 3: in the sense of, you know, you could just accue
Speaker 3: somebody of being a witch and that was it. It was
Speaker 3: basically gay or folks, we're gonna burn you at the
Speaker 3: steak or like stone.
Speaker 2: It literally seems like that. It's just it was so
Speaker 2: easy to just be like, you're that's you, You're a witch, okay,
Speaker 2: and you could say anything, especially as a male figure
Speaker 2: and someone who was say more prominent in town. Look
Speaker 2: at the fact that like people like serial killers like
Speaker 2: John Wayne Gacy and shit like work themselves within the
Speaker 2: town and try to be an upstanding citizen, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Then you have these scumbag dudes that
Speaker 2: could do it like I'm I'm a standing guy. I
Speaker 2: help the community. And then you have the ability to
Speaker 2: point out people to literally get murdered because you just
Speaker 2: necessarily you might.
Speaker 3: Not like them, yeah, you know. Yeah, And and back
Speaker 3: then with these witches, I was listening to a story
Speaker 3: and I can't I should have written down a name,
Speaker 3: but I can't remember the name of the guy he
Speaker 3: became a famous witch hunter at one point, and which
Speaker 3: is we're believed to have this thing called a witch's teat,
Speaker 3: which is like acid that yeah, like a special nipple
Speaker 3: that they would have to nurse imps. I think it
Speaker 3: is not to be mistaken with gimps.
Speaker 2: So what is an imp is? Is that like a
Speaker 2: fucking little creature?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like some kind of little goblin shit. And this
Speaker 3: dude used to he had this weird like tool that
Speaker 3: he made like a again, it just it's so random.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm a
Speaker 3: witch hunter. This is a witch hunting tool that I invented,
Speaker 3: and this is and it was like I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 3: It was basically like a pen was the idea.
Speaker 2: Of it, and he could stick you with it. It
Speaker 2: would happen, yeah.
Speaker 3: He so he would stick you with it, and if
Speaker 3: you didn't feel the prick of this tool that he had,
Speaker 3: it was like one hundred percent that you were a witch.
Speaker 3: So what he actually done was they found out years
Speaker 3: later he ended up actually being killed himself. He was
Speaker 3: sentenced to death for all these different crimes, but it
Speaker 3: turns out that the entire time he had a retractable
Speaker 3: pin in it, so he would he would just decide
Speaker 3: so nobody ever, they would never feel us.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, wasn't that I think I might
Speaker 2: have like looked at the same thing you were looking
Speaker 2: at because it talks about how they would just it
Speaker 2: would just be for money too. Yeah, it would just
Speaker 2: be like whatever, you know, like and it's like at
Speaker 2: the time where people were poor, you're trying to get
Speaker 2: get rich quick scheme, and everyone was religious. That's why
Speaker 2: I'm like a lot of times I'm like, religion, I
Speaker 2: don't know, might be the issue in a lot of
Speaker 2: these things that we see in our history of like
Speaker 2: over zealous people, you could say, but like just they're
Speaker 2: too far gone where some of these religions where And
Speaker 2: I have family members that are like super devout Christian
Speaker 2: and I respect their beliefs, but it seems like back
Speaker 2: then some of that ship was the issue of being
Speaker 2: like if you go outside of this book the Bible
Speaker 2: and the way that we interpret it in this section
Speaker 2: of this religion, and if you don't I don't understand that,
Speaker 2: or you look outside of that, We're gonna burn you
Speaker 2: at the stake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean even I guess even into more
Speaker 3: modern times, like look at when something like The Exorcist
Speaker 3: came out and like the everyone freaked out the oh
Speaker 3: bro and it's like what the fuck? Like that was
Speaker 3: in the seventies, It's like, what is come on? Like
Speaker 3: we've we've got to do better than not.
Speaker 2: Like and they thought everyone was possessed and it like
Speaker 2: freaked everybody out. We talked about that movie a long
Speaker 2: time ago on this podcast A Cursed Films because of
Speaker 2: the stuff that was happening on the set, and it's
Speaker 2: just like, and this is what this film felt like too,
Speaker 2: is like that. It it felt like even in the
Speaker 2: trailer it says we watched the trailer beforehand for all
Speaker 2: the audio listeners and it says, uh, it's you're watching
Speaker 2: something you shouldn't watch or something like that. It's just
Speaker 2: like it feels like that that it feels cursed in
Speaker 2: some way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's something I didn't know was the director
Speaker 3: was actually inspired to write the movie. He had like
Speaker 3: apparently a lifelong from like early childhood, a fascination which
Speaker 3: is and he used to be brought on visits to
Speaker 3: I don't have the name of a plantation anyway, it's
Speaker 3: basically a complex of museums to represent English pilgrims that
Speaker 3: settled in the area that he grew up, and like
Speaker 3: he got a fascination with like witches, witchcraft in that
Speaker 3: time period, and this has been something that he's wanted
Speaker 3: to I think a lot of people are fascinated by.
Speaker 3: This was like his debut feature film. But he was like, no,
Speaker 3: this was like a lifetime's work.
Speaker 2: What was his debut film?
Speaker 3: This?
Speaker 2: This was? Yeah, he had made that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had made like you know, short films and stuff,
Speaker 3: but this was like his his first feature.
Speaker 2: Lent like, I'm always like, how can I do this?
Speaker 2: What can't I fucking don't. I just wish I was
Speaker 2: raising a different I don't know it sounds bad, but
Speaker 2: family or something like you have to respect where you
Speaker 2: are in life and respect what incarnation am I believe
Speaker 2: you got and just try to live this experience the
Speaker 2: best way you can. But it's just like, man, I
Speaker 2: have such I had such good ideas. I was eleven
Speaker 2: year old kid, dude, and I was writing fucking horror
Speaker 2: movie ideas for slasher films, and I was like taking
Speaker 2: pictures of this, like mask I had with this like
Speaker 2: Pitchfork and then I would make up an idea about
Speaker 2: that story. And I used to do shit like that
Speaker 2: and I wanted, I want to be like a director,
Speaker 2: like I will love Wes Craven. And the thing is
Speaker 2: like life just didn't display that opportunity. I was struggling
Speaker 2: as a teenager. I don't know what the fuck I
Speaker 2: was doing with life. And it's just like if I
Speaker 2: could have taken my outlets and put it towards that,
Speaker 2: I could be fucking Wes Craven junior right now, right
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could be interviewing you right now, and I
Speaker 3: know a movie and you know, and you're right about
Speaker 3: that as well. I recently found a copy book that
Speaker 3: I must have had in like school, and like there's
Speaker 3: like shitloads of these short stories like I must have
Speaker 3: been like nine, and it's like all these like horror
Speaker 3: movie ideas and like and it's like really like cringey, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, mine are super bad. I wish I could find them.
Speaker 3: But it's like you're definitely right about that, because I
Speaker 3: feel like I've only like barely got my life on
Speaker 3: the rails in the last couple of years. And it's like, OK,
Speaker 3: if I had had all those years of like a
Speaker 3: normal life, maybe I'd be in a completely different position
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: I feel like, dude, I've said to my fans on
Speaker 2: the podcast, like I was kind of in and out
Speaker 2: of jail being a stupid kid when I was a teenager,
Speaker 2: the youth youth jail and just going out of like
Speaker 2: holding cells, being an idiot, like get on probation and drinking. Essentially,
Speaker 2: I was like an hit but like and it's I
Speaker 2: was like, why couldn't I just lived a normal life
Speaker 2: and maybe not put myself through some of this shit
Speaker 2: and like had you know, so I could progress? Because
Speaker 2: now I see my I was like I could, I
Speaker 2: could do this shit. I was super creative as a kid,
Speaker 2: and it's just like I had a cliff and then
Speaker 2: it just kind of went off and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what I could have been Stanley kubrick Man,
Speaker 2: I could fucking make symbol symbology and fucking films and shit.
Speaker 2: I was like I could figure it out.
Speaker 3: To be fair, though, I don't think that's went away,
Speaker 3: like you can clearly see it. I think if somebody
Speaker 3: even listens to one episode of your podcast, I think
Speaker 3: it's quite clear that that that spark is still there, Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is good for sure.
Speaker 2: I still have that kid of me where I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm so I want to believe in I always said Anton,
Speaker 2: I'm a fantastical and sometimes he's more like grounded on
Speaker 2: certain subjects where I'm like, nah, I just want to.
Speaker 2: I want to believe in fucking reptilian people, even if
Speaker 2: they are just killing kids. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: want that, Like it's just I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: that reality, especially doing psycholics, is not as solid as
Speaker 2: we think it is, and being on mushrooms really allows
Speaker 2: you to see that. And when I was on this film,
Speaker 2: so I was thinking about like these forces, this supernatural
Speaker 2: force that if you use it in the wrong way,
Speaker 2: can be called upon and maybe possess somebody and what
Speaker 2: they would think is witchcraft. But there was this them,
Speaker 2: you know, mess around stuff because Luigi boards existed for
Speaker 2: whatever how long since the eighteen hundreds, and people were
Speaker 2: getting into like the fucking talking board, but it's probably
Speaker 2: existed for centuries because I would make it from a
Speaker 2: piece of paper in a shot class and you and
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So just calling upon those
Speaker 2: things with some sort of means to communicate, like they
Speaker 2: used to do the knocking, which they don't know if
Speaker 2: it was faked from this Fox Sisters, but this idea
Speaker 2: that like these witchy things like the Fox Sisters did
Speaker 2: what they did and what the eighteen hundreds, back in
Speaker 2: the sixteen hundreds, they would have been dragged away in
Speaker 2: two seconds and been burnt at the stake for the
Speaker 2: even faking it. Yeah, in the way they did, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, here's the.
Speaker 3: Question for you actually before we we dive right into
Speaker 3: this because I don't want to, I don't want to
Speaker 3: drag it out too long, But what's your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the idea that you know, and I suppose it kind
Speaker 3: of ties into I've seen some arguments about like how
Speaker 3: this movie actually plays out. You know, some people believe
Speaker 3: that you know that there is no whitch. There's there's
Speaker 3: a lot theories about like when you get That's what
Speaker 3: I thought that the first time I watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you get to the end, Like there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different conclusions I think you can come to, and
Speaker 3: which is great because different people can come away from
Speaker 3: it with a different idea and it can be everything.
Speaker 3: But what's your thoughts on the idea of you know,
Speaker 3: if your belief in something is strong enough that like
Speaker 3: you nearly manifested as now I don't mean as reality
Speaker 3: for others. Yeah, but you know, if you wholeheartedly believe
Speaker 3: in something, do you think that you can essentially manifest
Speaker 3: that as your reality?
Speaker 2: I do think that in this reality, okay, because I
Speaker 2: have my own crazy beliefs right with the d with
Speaker 2: the reptilians. And essentially, if you don't even want to
Speaker 2: believe in lizard people, you don't fucking have to just
Speaker 2: imagine a dark force in religion times you would classify
Speaker 2: as Satan kind of or Lucifer and cat. And then
Speaker 2: what they believed in this witchcraft shit right essentially is
Speaker 2: praising these dark entities, these dark energies that exzoom fear right.
Speaker 2: They take people's bad emotions and when you're suffering and
Speaker 2: in pain, they use that because it's an energy force.
Speaker 2: You can feel it when you have those kind of emotions.
Speaker 2: And so I believe that they're trying to stop us
Speaker 2: from being as creative as we are. There's an idea
Speaker 2: when it comes to aliens, to talk about it very quickly,
Speaker 2: is that if we draw a piece of paper. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like witchcraft too, if we drawn a piece
Speaker 2: of paper wherever to take thoughts and put it on
Speaker 2: paper and actually draw it out and create something. The
Speaker 2: reptilians can't do that, according or these dark energies, these
Speaker 2: dark beings from a different reality, they're not able to
Speaker 2: do that. But they can take that picture and change
Speaker 2: it or mutate it to what they want it to be.
Speaker 2: They can take something that's already created by a creative
Speaker 2: entity or an individual that is like a free thinking individual,
Speaker 2: and then they can take it and they can alter it.
Speaker 2: So think about our reality, right, and how the hospital
Speaker 2: system is upside down, religion is up site on, everything's inverted.
Speaker 2: Avid I talks about this where it's all inverted and
Speaker 2: it's turned bad from good and we don't really notice it,
Speaker 2: and these things are just slowly doing this to exume
Speaker 2: our energy. But I do believe, in fucking in my
Speaker 2: long process of telling you this, that you're able to
Speaker 2: bring stuff into your reality. I do believe intention the
Speaker 2: energy gloat goes where the intention flows, essentially, and like that,
Speaker 2: that's what soccer stadiums is. Like everyone's freaking out and
Speaker 2: the soccer players can feel the energy of the crowd
Speaker 2: and that's part of this. That energy is there. And
Speaker 2: if you don't want to believe in uh, the afterlife,
Speaker 2: it's evident everywhere in my opinion when it comes to
Speaker 2: energies now that the energies don't die. But I that's
Speaker 2: why you can do it with witches too. It's manifesting.
Speaker 2: And if they think about all this stuff at this
Speaker 2: time where they maybe are plagued by some sort of
Speaker 2: dark force, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's this
Speaker 2: is still about witchcraft because the energy of witchcraft.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the more the more I kind of looked
Speaker 3: into that, it's it's a fascinating idea. And I don't
Speaker 3: think it's as far fetched as some people might. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I think a lot of people think, oh, manifest
Speaker 3: your reality. And I don't mean like some weird like
Speaker 3: Tony Robbins. Shit.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest secret, Man, I watched that show
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. That could you The biggest
Speaker 2: secret is you could just think about something that will happen.
Speaker 2: It's like not always if you have dark energies coming
Speaker 2: down here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I don't you know when I when I
Speaker 3: say that, and I asked that question. I don't mean,
Speaker 3: you know, if you sit in your bedroom every day
Speaker 3: jerking off and wish for a million dollars, that you
Speaker 3: know one day a million dollars is just going to
Speaker 3: show up in a room. I don't mean that, but
Speaker 3: I definitely do think that there is something too. And
Speaker 3: even you know, we've had private conversations about different life
Speaker 3: experiences we've both had, which is not for the show,
Speaker 3: but it's one of those things again, Like I often
Speaker 3: had times where I was like, how much it is
Speaker 3: that I actually actively manifest without too but yeah, like
Speaker 3: not having any self awareness at the time, but I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, did I like manage to manifest like
Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of this problem and issue an ongoing thing?
Speaker 2: And yeah, and how you're able to push like I
Speaker 2: think that you. My fiance's mom always says, you fear
Speaker 2: what you bring near what you fear, or you fear
Speaker 2: what you bring near, Like essentially, if you are afraid
Speaker 2: of something and you keep thinking about it and analyzing it,
Speaker 2: you're gonna make it worse. And that's why intention and
Speaker 2: that's why I magic. To me, like whatever magic is
Speaker 2: in the black magic and I have a fucking Thick
Speaker 2: asked Alice to Crowley book and has all of his
Speaker 2: work in there. And I haven't dived into Alice Crollie
Speaker 2: more or less. I've researched about him. I've read a
Speaker 2: couple of things by him, but not really dive too deep.
Speaker 2: And I want to. We did a whole episode about
Speaker 2: Alis Crolly. But that intention of magic, And Anton wants
Speaker 2: me to read White Stains, one of his poem poems
Speaker 2: for The Patriot because he's like, I just want to
Speaker 2: hear your reaction to some of his poems because they're
Speaker 2: I've heard I've read parts of them like years ago,
Speaker 2: but that it's just like this idea of this intention
Speaker 2: of magic right where you just blacky to me, it's
Speaker 2: intention where you're like, Okay, I'm gonna sit here. And
Speaker 2: I always joke about like coming on a piece of
Speaker 2: paper with something written on it, so you're like you
Speaker 2: give it some meaning, so you're like, I want this
Speaker 2: person to be cursed for a week, and then you
Speaker 2: like come on the piece of paper and then you
Speaker 2: light it on fire and you like put this fucking
Speaker 2: energy out there, you know what I mean? So what
Speaker 2: it feels like, it is like I feel like I've
Speaker 2: thought about doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, and another another fascinating and absolutely fascinating
Speaker 3: character as Alistair Curly. Again, that's a conversation for a.
Speaker 2: Different about that idea of black magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a again, like a polarizing character in
Speaker 3: all the way, and he he had a lot of
Speaker 3: I go, I guess belief systems and different things. And
Speaker 3: I do think that it's not as even I used
Speaker 3: to think it at one point that it was as
Speaker 3: cotton dry as like, oh yeah, okay magic, yeah wow,
Speaker 3: Harry Potter, which I love, but yeah, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not knocking Harry Potter. But I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people when when they hear that conversation, they're kind
Speaker 3: of imagining, like, you know, you're making a fetter levitate
Speaker 3: from the table or something like that. So that's not
Speaker 3: That's not what we're talking about. It's a completely different.
Speaker 2: That's why. Yeah, black magic is different than like a
Speaker 2: bright hand path path versus left hand path and how okay,
Speaker 2: people like David Blaine fucking mind free, Chris Angel fucking dude,
Speaker 2: I like I used to love when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and as I got older, the older I got the
Speaker 2: more I realized how big of a douchebag Chris Angel
Speaker 2: actually really is. But he's essentially tricking your mind. It's
Speaker 2: an illusion. It's not really magic. It's an illusion. Black
Speaker 2: magic essentially is like, yeah, putting your intention in sing
Speaker 2: like you And there's all sorts of ways they've done it,
Speaker 2: assault circle and then you call upon a fucking demon
Speaker 2: and they're either way. People have done this in our history,
Speaker 2: you know, like in the idea of witches I want
Speaker 2: to talk about it is like essentially we get it,
Speaker 2: like what do you think first? Essentially when we grew up,
Speaker 2: the idea of witches was that they were like ugly,
Speaker 2: grotesque creatures. This film does it a different kind of way,
Speaker 2: but a little like it's you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean outside not actually that that movie The Witches in
Speaker 3: the nineties scared the shit out of me as a kid.
Speaker 2: I know it's weird. I was like, I bet you
Speaker 2: if I bring this photo. It's essentially for the auto listeners,
Speaker 2: the iconic one of the Witches when they revealed themselves
Speaker 2: from the movie The Witches didn't like to remake that much,
Speaker 2: just my opinion, but the original did freak me out
Speaker 2: and I thought that you would also think the same thing, which.
Speaker 3: And I rewatched that again and again quite a bit.
Speaker 3: We used to have a thing in Ireland every Saturday
Speaker 3: evening at like six pm. This was like back in
Speaker 3: the times of like TV guides and stuff where you
Speaker 3: had to be at the TV eight days, and like
Speaker 3: we had this thing every every Saturday evening. There was
Speaker 3: like the news at six pm and then it's I
Speaker 3: think it was like six thirty. We had this thing
Speaker 3: called the Big Big Movie and they would pick like
Speaker 3: you know, and I could spin off like yeah, I
Speaker 3: can pick up like I can basically name the films
Speaker 3: they would have on rotation. It would be like the
Speaker 3: nineties Dennis the Menace, Home Alone, The Witches. It was
Speaker 3: all that like style of movie kind of at that time.
Speaker 3: And I remember watching The Witches for the first time
Speaker 3: and being like, oh, yeah, it's a movie about witches whatever.
Speaker 3: I did not expect that transformation scene, that boardroom, like
Speaker 3: that shit is grotesque, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know, And everyone's look up the picture of the Alliss
Speaker 2: because she has like it's the to me, one of
Speaker 2: the most creepy looking at least for the nineties, let's say,
Speaker 2: style of what a witch could look like, because we've
Speaker 2: all seen which I would love to talk about old
Speaker 2: talk about it, but the Wizard of Oz because essentially,
Speaker 2: as we're talking about this movie, we're gonna in witchcraft
Speaker 2: and which is in general, we're gonna think about what
Speaker 2: comes to our mind and our subconsciousness about which is
Speaker 2: specifically so like it comes from Wizard of Oz. You
Speaker 2: see that first depiction of her and green makeup on
Speaker 2: a broom. At least the like subconscious of like social
Speaker 2: I guess you could say demographics of every like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's our social consciousness, Like movies
Speaker 2: specifically do this, especially that movie and it was cursed.
Speaker 2: But that's like to me, the first time I think
Speaker 2: I really saw the depiction of a witch when I
Speaker 2: was a kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and and you know what look Yeah like
Speaker 3: Shular had a cursed I think it was called Carst
Speaker 3: Films series.
Speaker 2: And yes, I actually really enjoyed that and now we
Speaker 2: Yeah that's where I was talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I remember watching the episode about that
Speaker 3: and like I kind of forgot how on set like
Speaker 3: a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Was, especially with the little people and what was going on.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's just like, Okay, so I suppose to
Speaker 3: dive back into this movie. Do you want to go
Speaker 3: from the start? Do you want to Is there anything
Speaker 3: you want to say? Yeah, that's what I was thinking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking about, like how we
Speaker 2: should bring it in from the beginning essentially. And I
Speaker 2: have one question to ask you that I've I was
Speaker 2: really dying too, What the fuck do you think of
Speaker 2: the Twins?
Speaker 3: Strange made me really uncomfortable?
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, they made They make me uncomfortable with watching
Speaker 2: the film.
Speaker 3: Even even looking at that little gift you have for
Speaker 3: for people who can't see us right now and are listening.
Speaker 3: Not the only Tom has some gifts of the Twins
Speaker 3: like skip and true the I was gonna say, I
Speaker 3: don't wasteland that looks like yeah there, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's just something about them. And this is gonna sound awful,
Speaker 3: But at one point while watching it, I actually paused
Speaker 3: the movie to Google to see if like they had
Speaker 3: some kind of like special needs or something. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I don't even mean that in like a like half sing,
Speaker 3: but I was like, there's something like off here. I
Speaker 3: was like, there's no way those kids could be that good.
Speaker 3: At acting.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I know what you mean, because they
Speaker 2: they literally to me, crawl under your skin, and I
Speaker 2: could talk about like I wanted this specific type of
Speaker 2: the twins for a while just because of their characters.
Speaker 2: There was a point in the movie watched outside and
Speaker 2: I was like, and I'm on fucking a grand mushrooms.
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate these fucking annoying kids. I
Speaker 2: was like, can they just die first? Like? And I
Speaker 2: was like, and I forgot about the film, like I
Speaker 2: watched it like years ago when at first probably came out.
Speaker 2: I was like, twenty sixteen, it's a fucking while ago.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I probably watched it around when
Speaker 2: it came out, and it was one of those movies
Speaker 2: that stayed with me. I was like, this was creepy.
Speaker 2: I can't watch it all the time. So I was like,
Speaker 2: let's watch it outside. I probably won't watch it for
Speaker 2: another couple of fucking years. And those kids gave me
Speaker 2: the same feeling I watched it the first time where
Speaker 2: I was like, Man, these fucking they're annoying as shit
Speaker 2: the way even like the in the trail and she's
Speaker 2: like bah bah, I'm like, can you fucking stop that man,
Speaker 2: it's one of those kids for everyone. If like, even
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen this and for some strange reason
Speaker 2: you're listening to just to hear us talk about witches
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, it is like a they The
Speaker 2: way he filmed it was specifically made them annoying. It's
Speaker 2: like one of those kids that like doesn't stop like
Speaker 2: poking something he shouldn't. Mm hmm, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, give me your thoughts more about the twins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like I guess to kind of
Speaker 3: open that up a bit and a lot of the
Speaker 3: characters I found And I don't mean this in a
Speaker 3: this is meant in a bad way. I think it
Speaker 3: was intentional, like while you're watching the movie, and I
Speaker 3: think it's really reflective of actual like the actual human
Speaker 3: race to be honest, which I know it's set in
Speaker 3: a different time period, but I think it still boils
Speaker 3: down to that's as people, that's kind of how we
Speaker 3: would behave in said situation. But like you know, even
Speaker 3: the you've got the two twins, the mutter is like
Speaker 3: fucking yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna wait to talk about her, but if you
Speaker 2: want to get into her now, I was just like
Speaker 2: those twins just completely annoyed me, and I thought their
Speaker 2: characters were well done, and the fact that you kind
Speaker 2: of feel sympathy then you fucking hate them, then you
Speaker 2: kind of feel sympathy. And I want to say also
Speaker 2: that I didn't realize through it fucking like maybe the
Speaker 2: ending of the film and I looked at it was
Speaker 2: like looking up and looking into it and like now
Speaker 2: messaging you wanting to talk about it? Is that I
Speaker 2: didn't fucking tune into my mouth. I didn't realize that, uh,
Speaker 2: they were banished, like I didn't maybe if I didn't
Speaker 2: pay attention to the beginning of the film, but I
Speaker 2: didn't realize for a while that they got like sent
Speaker 2: out of the main civilization.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's something funny. And I was actually gonna
Speaker 3: mention this and I was like, oh wait, that's gonna
Speaker 3: make me sound like fucking retarded. But even though I
Speaker 3: watched this twice, it was only when I was watching
Speaker 3: I think a YouTube breakdown in the movie, somebody said
Speaker 3: something about banished or they left where they were and
Speaker 3: that's the whole thing. And she's like, because I know,
Speaker 3: at one point, what's the main girl's character's.
Speaker 2: Name, Thomason Thomasin because I remember that. I was like,
Speaker 2: whose name is kind of like my.
Speaker 3: Name Thomasin and she says something about going back or
Speaker 3: something like that, and I'm like, what the fuck are
Speaker 3: they talking about?
Speaker 2: And I was like, they're in the middle of fucking nowhere,
Speaker 2: and that's when it's creepy.
Speaker 3: And I was like oh, because to me, the the
Speaker 3: vibe I got was like, oh, just everything in the
Speaker 3: world is fucked and everybody's just kind of doing their
Speaker 3: own thing. I maybe I'm wrong and if someone's listened
Speaker 3: to this, it can correct me. But I definitely missed
Speaker 3: the Parrot as well, where they like explicitly said, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know that time we were banished from that town.
Speaker 2: And they know they say something about well we can't
Speaker 2: go back or where they do. I remember hearing it
Speaker 2: and I was like what because the whole time, right,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking that this is back in Essentially this is
Speaker 2: before essentially what he says, I say, essentially a lot
Speaker 2: before the Sale and Witch. It's yes, before the Salem
Speaker 2: Witch trials. It's before this has happened, is what I've read.
Speaker 2: So as they're like getting into the film, it's beforehand
Speaker 2: and then I'm like, hey, well, I just think that
Speaker 2: they're like everyone gets a plot of land. And I
Speaker 2: was talking to Chelsea about this. You buy it from
Speaker 2: essentially the queen or whoever whoever country you reside in,
Speaker 2: because they were just fucking I was like, they were
Speaker 2: just massacring fucking indigenous people not long beforehand, and it's like,
Speaker 2: this is mine now, Okay, you guys were treating nature
Speaker 2: too well. We now build structures and we don't associate
Speaker 2: with nature and probably psychedelics and things like that and
Speaker 2: living off the land, and they just fucking plot their
Speaker 2: shit down. But you would buy the land back in
Speaker 2: the day, and it would probably be fairly cheap for
Speaker 2: some people moving to this new land. And how they
Speaker 2: sold property, they want to get as many settlers as
Speaker 2: they could get in. I just feel like they would
Speaker 2: have a plot of land. That's why I thought they
Speaker 2: were I just like, I bought this huge land. Now
Speaker 2: we're out in the woods and it's only us here
Speaker 2: because we left everything behind, and I'm scared.
Speaker 3: Also, before the talk goes out of my mind, the dad.
Speaker 3: Looking back on it, I'm like, and I really like
Speaker 3: his character. I like the guy who plays and I
Speaker 3: think it was. It all worked perfectly, and I think
Speaker 3: it was probably meant to make you because I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the movie was was made to maybe
Speaker 3: divide the audience, so you had like, yeah, maybe one
Speaker 3: feeling or another. I couldn't have. The more I thought
Speaker 3: about the movie, I was like, I was like, fuck me,
Speaker 3: he's such a bitch. I was like, he's such like
Speaker 3: a you know, he kind of he lets Thompson take
Speaker 3: the blame for shit. He you know, the crops are
Speaker 3: all fucked up this and that, and he's still kind
Speaker 3: of like denying what's actually going on. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I guess it's a sign of the times as well.
Speaker 3: I think it kind of shows like you said earlier
Speaker 3: about like men kind of having the power to be like,
Speaker 3: shut up, bitch, it's it's this, and like everybody just
Speaker 3: had to just accept it, which is like, really, that's
Speaker 3: my trail to talk gone for. I was wondering what
Speaker 3: happened there. Tom just traded me to a picture of
Speaker 3: Snape burning hermione at the stake is it and he's
Speaker 3: wearing a he's wearing a top ass Okay.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about like women and stuff like that. No,
Speaker 2: I don't fucking sorry to surprise you with that. I
Speaker 2: know what you're just saying. Though about the dad, his
Speaker 2: character is like it's yeah, he's kind of like he's blaming,
Speaker 2: like blaming everyone one for everything else. But and then
Speaker 2: at one point when watching the film, when they're like, uh,
Speaker 2: you gave away the or you sold though, and I
Speaker 2: didn't understand what the fuck they were talking about, like
Speaker 2: what the silver cups? So essentially he's poor and he's
Speaker 2: down on his luck and he can't produce any crops
Speaker 2: because the land is cursed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was like it was the wife's family's
Speaker 3: silver copp or something that she had and he had
Speaker 3: taken it and he had traded it for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like there was a lot of like
Speaker 2: that was hard to carry. I do like this film
Speaker 2: a lot, but that told like, well, so he's in
Speaker 2: the way they spoke obviously is like old English and
Speaker 2: they are like accusing each other of stuff. The mom
Speaker 2: also is it's weird that they have characters that the
Speaker 2: mom starts to fucking annoy me too at one point
Speaker 2: where I'm like and I want to start getting into
Speaker 2: some of the crazier shit, but that's like so. And
Speaker 2: then so the mom was also fucking weird and the
Speaker 2: way her character is because also like the Twins, there's
Speaker 2: something about her that I was like, ah, like you
Speaker 2: feel for her, but then don't the way he did
Speaker 2: this movie in the motions that it like plucks at
Speaker 2: so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was. As I was watching it, I was
Speaker 3: like trying to put myself in a position to the dad,
Speaker 3: and I was like, you know what I'd do in
Speaker 3: this position, I would take that ax and I would
Speaker 3: kill both those kids. I would kill the wife. I
Speaker 3: was like, those are just really really annoying, So I
Speaker 3: would kill them immediately.
Speaker 2: Kids and their wife. And then so you're left with
Speaker 2: Thomasin and.
Speaker 3: Caleb.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that story is fucked too.
Speaker 3: That like there's another and like it was one of
Speaker 3: those things where I was like, looking at it, there's
Speaker 3: a part where she's washing her again, like just there's
Speaker 3: so many like little bizarre things and I know it's
Speaker 3: it's a sign of the times where the towards the
Speaker 3: start of the movie, the dad trips and falls into
Speaker 3: like fucking cowshitter, fucking laughing at him. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: they like say it to him about the mother says,
Speaker 3: like Thomas, and get your dad's clothes off or whatever
Speaker 3: whatever way she finds.
Speaker 2: Sprinkle sprinkle the pedophilia in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like she he's standing there with his hands
Speaker 3: like this way, she's undressing them, and I'm like, what
Speaker 3: is going on?
Speaker 2: They said that same thing.
Speaker 3: Actually it's like five minutes later she's she's at the
Speaker 3: creek and she's like washing the shirt and then Am
Speaker 3: comes and he's like trying to look at her tits
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're like, kay, you think about this right, because you're
Speaker 2: gonna analyze this film in so many different ways and
Speaker 2: the emotions that it brings because you're thinking about how
Speaker 2: we existed. I even watching, I said after like me
Speaker 2: and Chelsea washing it, I have dosed and stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's it's a wonder how we survived all this shit
Speaker 2: as humans, like the Black plague, this stuff of like
Speaker 2: you're not even washing your hands. So the doctors are
Speaker 2: killing more women and children than they think because essentially,
Speaker 2: back in the day, they didn't wash their hands, and
Speaker 2: when they would, they would go from cutting open a
Speaker 2: corpse to delivering a baby, and then it started that
Speaker 2: all the babies would die and then women would die
Speaker 2: like what's happening? And then they fucking realized to wash
Speaker 2: her hands? But like, how do we exist as this beings? Right?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Like and then you think back then, we're like you
Speaker 2: didn't have any of those learning lessons that we do nowadays,
Speaker 2: where you like, if you grew up and you only
Speaker 2: have this specific woman to look at, like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean that it's it's you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: have feelings. And that's where like the some that shit
Speaker 2: with insects comes from in certain cultures because they don't
Speaker 2: have anyone else outside of their circle, like especially like
Speaker 2: think about African tribes and stuff like that, where maybe
Speaker 2: it's just like they don't have touch with communication with humanity,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Am I going down the right road with this? Like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, yeah no.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: As I watched them, was like, I don't blame the kid,
Speaker 3: like I can I get you know, I can remember
Speaker 3: being like what age would you say Caleb is in this?
Speaker 3: To me, it's like twelve thirteen, Yeah, twelve fourteen, So
Speaker 3: I you know, I can remember being that that age
Speaker 3: in like modern times and being like yeah, hormone, Like
Speaker 3: fucking it was just like what, yeah, like a walk
Speaker 3: and yeah, like a walking hormone, where like you know,
Speaker 3: you would fucking anything would, as Gardo says, literally anything
Speaker 3: would make the white stuff come out.
Speaker 2: I don't like everybody says that. I'm like the white
Speaker 2: stuff come out. I was like, I have to say
Speaker 2: it like that, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does that on purposes, well, I think because
Speaker 3: so many people find it's all grim. But if you know,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, if I felt like that, who else do
Speaker 3: you have around?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: If I felt like that in modern times now go
Speaker 3: back to sixteens hardy and be like, yeah, I'd probably
Speaker 3: be fucking modern and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't have like anything else to associate
Speaker 2: it with, right essentially, and that's where they get some
Speaker 2: of these like weird eighties movies from that they used
Speaker 2: to film and like these this weird thing of like
Speaker 2: as our culture because you have ideas of the queen
Speaker 2: doing this right to keep money withinside the family. But
Speaker 2: this existed so back then. I couldn't imagine some of
Speaker 2: the settlers were probably fucking each other's because they're all family.
Speaker 2: Everyone's even us technically are all cousins. It's like thousands
Speaker 2: of years maybe in difference, but you know what I
Speaker 2: mean that we all came from Africa from essentially one
Speaker 2: or you know a handful of beings that were maybe
Speaker 2: genetically modified by aliens. But and then it's just like
Speaker 2: you don't know anything else to do. You have these
Speaker 2: and primal instincts. And that's where this time error shows
Speaker 2: of people being scared of stuff they don't understand.
Speaker 3: So does that technically mean then that we all fuck
Speaker 3: our own cousins?
Speaker 2: Most likely that you know that what's the not Harry
Speaker 2: William his wife is his thirty eighth cousin according to
Speaker 2: the research I've done, because they keep it with inside
Speaker 2: some sort of family, right, And you think about this
Speaker 2: time era of people this settling down essentially like there's
Speaker 2: that Joe Rogan joke where they're like, you know, they
Speaker 2: show up at whatever, like Arkansas. I don't always pick
Speaker 2: on Arkansas, but like especially some sort of fucking place
Speaker 2: like that, like our South Carolina's like they see it's
Speaker 2: good and then they like just set down their shit
Speaker 2: and by we'll building live here together. And it's just
Speaker 2: like I don't want to walk no more. And that's
Speaker 2: how it was. Would you just even where these people
Speaker 2: come from, right, whatever town settlement, it was just like
Speaker 2: here seems good, like they did probably know as much
Speaker 2: as they thought about the surrounding. There's like we have trees,
Speaker 2: that's all we need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, true, that's that's actually kind of fucked up
Speaker 3: when you when you dig underneath that. Okay, so so disappeared,
Speaker 3: Yeah where we were last at in the in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So the young the young kid, is it? Sam?
Speaker 2: Sam wise Ganji?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 3: Am I right in saying that?
Speaker 2: I think something like that? Yes, Sam, Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: it's disturbing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the kid goes missing, right, and again there's
Speaker 3: another there's another part here that maybe I'm wrong. I
Speaker 3: feel like was not really portrayed that well. They didn't
Speaker 3: really explain that that was the case. So in like
Speaker 3: that old and witch lore, when in witches would come
Speaker 3: and try to like kidnap babies. Essentially, they would always
Speaker 3: look for a male baby, and they were looking for
Speaker 3: like the baby fat you know when you see it
Speaker 3: like a new born or a young baby, and he
Speaker 3: looks like a little fucking chobby, like a little sumo wrestler.
Speaker 3: And they would and it had to be it had
Speaker 3: to be male. And they would basically kidnap these kids,
Speaker 3: bring them back to their layer cave or wherever. But
Speaker 3: also they had to be on they couldn't be baptized yet.
Speaker 3: And they would take the fat from the child. They
Speaker 3: would kill the child, take the fat from the child,
Speaker 3: mix it in a pot with hemlock, nightshade and wolf
Speaker 3: spain and something else.
Speaker 2: I've heard that before too.
Speaker 3: To make an ointment right now.
Speaker 2: Keep themselves young? Is that what the fucking chicks doing?
Speaker 3: No right? And I had no idea about this.
Speaker 2: So this whole.
Speaker 3: Idea, this whole idea of you know, I think we
Speaker 3: look at things like hocus Pocus and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll just get on their brooms and fly, or they
Speaker 3: get on a vacuum and fly.
Speaker 2: I smell children. I don't know why everything's fucking weird
Speaker 2: when you start doing Psychadolical's like, that's weird, man. And
Speaker 2: then Maelan Manson made's album after it.
Speaker 3: So apparently we just couldn't just fly. They couldn't just
Speaker 3: pick up a broom and fly. So they needed the
Speaker 3: baby fat to mix with all those other ingredients to
Speaker 3: make what was known as a flying ointment, and they
Speaker 3: would the room and then yeah, and then rob it
Speaker 3: on I exactly rob it on the broom and then
Speaker 3: it would through vaginas to freak out and that would
Speaker 3: help fly. And apparently Robert Eagers or Eggers or whatever
Speaker 3: way you pronounce his name, that was supposed to be
Speaker 3: like the the vague reasoning for the kid being kid.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. He took it back to that because I
Speaker 2: heard about that. Also, if like it's not really on
Speaker 2: a broom, it's like waxed up and you think about this,
Speaker 2: right you're taking you're killing something super innocent, You're doing
Speaker 2: something that's against all nature. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: describe that. You know what I mean when people kill
Speaker 2: children and that thing happens within our society and ancient
Speaker 2: cultures when it's like firstborn son, fuck you and they
Speaker 2: toss them off a fucking cliff or you battle and
Speaker 2: it's like both people will still die, but it's just
Speaker 2: like it's just to see what happens, Like we're gonna
Speaker 2: make you as battle and then sacrifice you both to
Speaker 2: the gods. That whole thing has existed for fucking centuries.
Speaker 2: So then the idea that you're doing something horrendous and
Speaker 2: then putting it towards some sort of demonic force and
Speaker 2: if reality isn't as real as we think it is,
Speaker 2: they could just start levitating and some sort of force
Speaker 2: or dark energy allows them to levitate. And the idea
Speaker 2: when the baby goes missing genuinely creeps me out. Where
Speaker 2: you're like in the scene and how they do it
Speaker 2: that fucking she was playing Peek a boo for some reason,
Speaker 2: she's super close to the woods and then she like
Speaker 2: looks up and it's like, gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's not done in like a Blair
Speaker 3: which esque way it's done and I can't even like
Speaker 3: And it's crazy considering this was his debut movie. It
Speaker 3: really trailblazes the way it's like he created his own
Speaker 3: style he did. It's so different I can't liken it
Speaker 3: to anything else.
Speaker 2: To me. The slight style slightly, I want to say,
Speaker 2: just a bit, reminds me of movies like Midsommar and Hereditary,
Speaker 2: where it's like one of those movies that is a
Speaker 2: cinematic experience that you want to sit through once or
Speaker 2: twice and it's unnerving and you don't want to it
Speaker 2: can't repeatedly watch it, but how you the way you
Speaker 2: watch it. When you watch it, it changes you, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I definitely.
Speaker 3: Put that in the category with them. And from there
Speaker 3: then I guess that's the catalyst that kind of sends
Speaker 3: the entire movie into like this big downward spiral where
Speaker 3: it gets.
Speaker 2: So bad for everybody. I'm like, all the fuck, it's
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: The baby goes in and then yeah, like this, and
Speaker 3: I guess essentially for for a while, everybody's kind of
Speaker 3: blaming each other and we don't really know who's at
Speaker 3: fault or what's actually going on. Is there a witch?
Speaker 3: Is there not a witch? Is there something else? Are
Speaker 3: they just fucking crazy? Is there another reason that they
Speaker 3: are out there on their own and they're not with
Speaker 3: the colony?
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking the whole experience, And I
Speaker 2: remember this the first time I watched it. For the
Speaker 2: first most of the movie, I think until you see
Speaker 2: the Witch subdue Caleb, I felt that I thought that
Speaker 2: they were just crazy. And the way that the atmosphere
Speaker 2: builds up until you see what we'll get into is like,
Speaker 2: what's the Goat's name again? I fucking had. I was like,
Speaker 2: black Philip, Black Philip when he starts appearing more and
Speaker 2: you have everyone like pointing fingers at each other. And
Speaker 2: it does start with like the twins and and well
Speaker 2: especially the female twins. And I was gonna say, just
Speaker 2: back to whoever these actresses and actors are the the
Speaker 2: two of them, it was so well done where you're like,
Speaker 2: how are you this childlike and annoying? And the their
Speaker 2: outfits that they were in made them look like little
Speaker 2: like fairy people in my opinion, rushers. But it was
Speaker 2: weird the way it was done. How like in their
Speaker 2: their outfits there was chosen you know, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Somebody else. I was like, well, every time I look
Speaker 3: at them, I'm like, is that a really old young person?
Speaker 3: A really young old person? I was like, it's like unsettling.
Speaker 3: Also on another side note, would would you let that
Speaker 3: witch in the woods because he sucks him off?
Speaker 2: Essentially to me, he like she subdues him. And that's
Speaker 2: what I was gonna talk to about when we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier about the witches and this whole incarnation,
Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to kind of talk about a
Speaker 2: little bit of like witches being like grotesque and ugly
Speaker 2: kind of gets put into our our social subconscious right
Speaker 2: where sometimes but there's been recent movies and recent things
Speaker 2: where they like make witches like fucking sexy. Essentially, It's
Speaker 2: like there's older films were scarier and then they slowly
Speaker 2: progressed to making them like sexier and sexier.
Speaker 3: Caleb, you know when he when he meets that check
Speaker 3: for anyone who's looking at the video version, she's on
Speaker 3: screen right now. And Caleb when he sees her, obviously
Speaker 3: you know, he's.
Speaker 2: Never seen else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been looking at his own sister is like
Speaker 3: nonexistent cleavage for his entire life. Yea, And now he
Speaker 3: sees this like big fat, titted fucking like yeah. So
Speaker 3: like he's like, I'm in the middle of a haunted
Speaker 3: woods who cares? This is the lottery.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't know what's going on either. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: his brother went missing. He's looking for his brother.
Speaker 3: I am you know, I don't I don't blame him.
Speaker 3: I had a crusch for a long time on fucking
Speaker 3: what's her name from hocus Pocus?
Speaker 2: You fucking are you talking about Sarah Michelle Geller?
Speaker 3: Yeah, whichever is a blonde one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was talking about that. Oh my god last night.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, the first one I
Speaker 2: find her semi attractive, and the new one in the
Speaker 2: new trailer. Bro, they all look fucked. Even my girlfriend
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, they look rough, every single one of them.
Speaker 2: And there's a necro line. I'm wearing all this fucking
Speaker 2: stupid merch anyway, where he says when men get old
Speaker 2: they blossom, when women get they start rotting, and it's
Speaker 2: a He's the most vulgar rapper for people. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's like the most brutal rapper on earth where there
Speaker 2: is man can do this too, but there is some
Speaker 2: women that just don't age well. And it's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is there. Adrenochrome ran out.
Speaker 3: And what was it? Somebody told me before men age
Speaker 3: like wine, women.
Speaker 2: Like milkkerdle And I was gonna talk about this idea
Speaker 2: right of the beautiful sexy, which we've done this in
Speaker 2: our pop culture now, right like women dress up. I get,
Speaker 2: I'm sure at bar crawl, but that's why it's always
Speaker 2: And even Chelsea pointed this out my fiance, She was like,
Speaker 2: why is it always naked old women? Why is that? Like?
Speaker 2: It's an unnerving thing. The movie which I was thinking
Speaker 2: about we could talk about one day is The Visit.
Speaker 2: I think that's a movie. That movie fuse, it's it
Speaker 2: makes old people scary, Dude.
Speaker 3: I love that movie. Something that that genuinely scared the
Speaker 3: shit out of me.
Speaker 2: Me too, I was like, why it's naked old ladies?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Literally unnerve my fiel me. I'm like, it creeps me out.
Speaker 2: But it's like, why is it always?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and straight away I had that vision of that
Speaker 3: scene in The Shine.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well she's in the bathtub and you think
Speaker 2: she's an intracted woman, and as a kid watching that film,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, it's hot chick. And then
Speaker 2: it gets disturbing where you're like one of those movies
Speaker 2: where you have to like pause and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can't let this go any further, or I'm not
Speaker 2: going to produce any sticky white stuff is gonna say,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You're like, or my mind's
Speaker 2: gonna be shifted and I'm gonna grow up uh fucking
Speaker 2: chicks with them zombie masks on, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Or fifty year old met heads.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this is my kink now because it
Speaker 2: fucking fetishes for him when you're a fucking kid like
Speaker 2: of things like people I supposed to be after this
Speaker 2: before the people that you know enjoy furries as an
Speaker 2: off tension. They had some sort of sexual thing with
Speaker 2: their stuffed animal as a kid. It was like, I
Speaker 2: see it all fucking comes back. This is such an
Speaker 2: off thing for this but strange. Yeah, so all these
Speaker 2: things kind of stick with you. And if you fucking
Speaker 2: think about witches, but this idea, right, and they made
Speaker 2: them fucking sexy. But there's the naked woman and it's
Speaker 2: specifically in the scene, so if you want to bring
Speaker 2: it to when they're kind of locking, there's Now it's
Speaker 2: starting to get crazy, like because we talked about Caleb
Speaker 2: and what happens to Caleb. He fucking disappears as they
Speaker 2: go out into the forest.
Speaker 3: Right, so he Yeah, he comes across this witch again.
Speaker 3: Like I've seen people online talking about, you know, after
Speaker 3: everything that's gone on, how did he like, how did
Speaker 3: he fall for that? And somebody was like, oh, she
Speaker 3: must have like put a spell on him or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's what it see.
Speaker 3: And it's like yeah, but even if she didn't, like,
Speaker 3: she's like, again he's looking at his sister's tits and
Speaker 3: now he has this big titted sexy witch like what
Speaker 3: was your old boys and be like oh no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm good, and she's like beckoning him all over I know.
Speaker 2: And this to me, the scene of when he walks
Speaker 2: up and then sees her makeshift wooden, creepy cabin, so
Speaker 2: I wish I had a picture of for the YouTube,
Speaker 2: but look at it. It's it's strange, right, And then
Speaker 2: you see her open the door and come out, and
Speaker 2: you don't know what to expect, and it's like what
Speaker 2: you would think a witch would do, like which is
Speaker 2: supposed to be in this lord at least, and some
Speaker 2: of it is stay young and that scene of just
Speaker 2: like he's walking through the woods, there's nothing around, it's
Speaker 2: just like it's creepy. And I thought about this while
Speaker 2: I was watching it. Outside of the fact that there's
Speaker 2: settlements around these areas and you don't know who the
Speaker 2: fuck is in the woods that you live beside because
Speaker 2: everything is fairly new. There could be indigenous people, there
Speaker 2: could be weirdos. Who fucking knows who's within these woods.
Speaker 2: That every different settlement and religion and people like that,
Speaker 2: people are religious, like you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: all these different things that you don't know who the
Speaker 2: fuck is in these woods and then he stumbles upon
Speaker 2: the house and that gave me chills.
Speaker 3: Also on the side, note about that scene, the I'm
Speaker 3: not sure of his name. The actor that plays Caleb
Speaker 3: was like super nervous film in that scene. Really that
Speaker 3: was his first ever kiss. Oh shit, So it's like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's a pretty good claim to fame. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, he's probably quite a reserved kid, like,
Speaker 3: so he probably hasn't done any shit, like crazy shit
Speaker 3: like us commoners would do at that age. So like
Speaker 3: for him, I guess going back to his private school,
Speaker 3: it's probably a good like, oh you know, I kissed
Speaker 3: that like Big Fat did and sexy.
Speaker 2: Fucking chick from The Witch, And yeah, that's pretty funny
Speaker 2: that I didn't know that he was this It was
Speaker 2: the first kiss ever and then he had to do
Speaker 2: on a film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with a grown woman.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's just like the movie calls for because
Speaker 2: at that time, and I've discussed about that before, right,
Speaker 2: is like we only lived to a certain age, some
Speaker 2: people will die in their forties or fifties, so there
Speaker 2: was people like getting married like thirty year old men
Speaker 2: to like sixteen year old brides. Still happens in the world,
Speaker 2: but like back then, they didn't really know any better,
Speaker 2: and it was who was the most fertile, and that
Speaker 2: this movie kind of reeks of that, like time error,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so so Kle gets taken or whatever
Speaker 3: by this witch and then and then that night I
Speaker 3: think there's a storm and Thompson finds him outside of
Speaker 3: their house or whatever. This for me, like the whole
Speaker 3: thing was just like fucked up. From this point, I
Speaker 3: was like, Okay, this has taken like a real turn
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden. So I think after that
Speaker 3: we cut forward to I think it's the next day,
Speaker 3: and that's that's when, Yeah, the kids are like dance
Speaker 3: around with black Philip and they're like singing songs and
Speaker 3: just being like annoying. And then Thomas and I think,
Speaker 3: goes to milk the ghost and like blood comes out.
Speaker 2: Of it and she's freaking out because they're also right.
Speaker 2: She threatens, as we kind of said earlier, her like
Speaker 2: her younger sister, and she like and tells her that
Speaker 2: she's like a witch. She's like, I be the Witch
Speaker 2: of the woods. And she does this whole spiel to
Speaker 2: scare the shit out of her, her sister because they're
Speaker 2: just annoying pests essentially, and they're out there all by
Speaker 2: themselves and you have these annoying, dancing, fucking children in
Speaker 2: large outfits that make him look fucking bizarre, and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then she's like, she freaks
Speaker 2: her out. So there, ever, it's now they're starting to
Speaker 2: think it's witchcraft. There's superstition setting in.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So at this point, then she she attempts to
Speaker 3: to mak the nanny go, she only gets blood. Then
Speaker 3: Caleb wakes up and vomits up an entire apple with
Speaker 3: a bite taking out of.
Speaker 2: A How did you feel about that scene?
Speaker 3: So that that whole scene, and I have to let
Speaker 3: me get that little guy's name. I need to find
Speaker 3: his name as he Yeah, because he was fucking fantastic.
Speaker 2: Oh that whole scene, Like that's good acting because you
Speaker 2: see him go through like pain and screaming and then
Speaker 2: as he's like literally in ecstasy, it seems like where
Speaker 2: he's like like oh take me and all with all
Speaker 2: that shenanigans. He's fucking yelling, But yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: Freaky man like he he goes through and and how
Speaker 3: he's able to do that The actor's name is Harvey
Speaker 3: scrimshow weird name scripture, and how how he was able
Speaker 3: to do that? I have no idea the range of
Speaker 3: emotions that he goes through there, And You're right, it
Speaker 3: like it goes from like being like you feel sorry
Speaker 3: for him to like going, oh wait, shit, is he
Speaker 3: like possessed? Is he the devil? Is he? Is he
Speaker 3: somehow a witch or warlock? Then it goes from that
Speaker 3: to like it looks like he's having an orgasm? In
Speaker 3: the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: That? Especially outside that scene made me like visibly uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: where I was like, I don't like this. This is weird.
Speaker 2: And he goes through all these fucked up emotions as
Speaker 2: he's like going through and to me, that's this is
Speaker 2: the part of the film where I'm like, is there
Speaker 2: not a witch? And he's going through a fever and
Speaker 2: there's a sickness coming through like the whole theory of
Speaker 2: ergot poisoning from the wheat being bad, and is he
Speaker 2: like hallucinating and dying from some sort of thing that
Speaker 2: they've ingested or taken in these woods, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. At that point in the film, I was like, like,
Speaker 2: is it actually saying she sees a witch? But like
Speaker 2: is it in his mind?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Like and that's until the ending round like it solidifies it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm kind of I'm kind of pissed off
Speaker 3: that I didn't actually pull a little bit of that
Speaker 3: audio from that scene, because it's like, I don't think
Speaker 3: we could sit here for two hours and just talk
Speaker 3: about that scene. I don't think we do it justice.
Speaker 3: It's genuinely like terrifying and not in like a weird
Speaker 3: like paranorm activity jump scare kind of like oh spooky
Speaker 3: witch doctor. It's like unbelievable. Like I was genuinely like
Speaker 3: what the fuck? I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: One of the best I don't know if you could
Speaker 3: call it a possession scene, yeah, that I think I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. I mean, I would say so. I'm sure
Speaker 3: people will think of things, you know, like the Last
Speaker 3: Exorcism and the ex or sist in all these different movies.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna go on record and say that this
Speaker 3: could potentially be the best performance. I agree in one
Speaker 3: of those scenes of all.
Speaker 2: Time, I think that he does fairly like I actually
Speaker 2: think that it is one of the best too, because
Speaker 2: it does make you uncomfortable. I think that was the
Speaker 2: purpose of it, where you he goes through such an
Speaker 2: a range of motions so quickly that you're like and
Speaker 2: and there's some part of the film when you're watching
Speaker 2: it you're like, oh, like he's gonna survive this. It's
Speaker 2: just like a sickness, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: then he just dies after he's like in ecstasy. It
Speaker 2: seems like like take me and to me, it's not
Speaker 2: like I'm like trying to decipher if it's Jesus or
Speaker 2: like religion, the Lord that he's connected to, and then you,
Speaker 2: to me, you kind of realize that it's probably her
Speaker 2: and then possessing him to essentially drain his energy and
Speaker 2: maybe kill him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So from this point then he I suppose what
Speaker 3: he he proclaims his love for Christ kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: and it just dies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, yeah, that Jesus. It's I feel like,
Speaker 2: that's why I'm saying it. It seems like he was
Speaker 2: calling upon some religious deity.
Speaker 3: So from there then the dad starts to believe that
Speaker 3: Thomasin is a witch. He tells her that she'll be
Speaker 3: put on trial when they were returned to town, which
Speaker 3: seems like a weird remark because it's like, well, I
Speaker 3: don't think you have any intention of returning to that colony,
Speaker 3: and it to.
Speaker 2: Me it seems like is it his fault that they're there?
Speaker 2: The whole idea was like why is the witch after him?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 2: And I in it's other folklore that brings me this conclusion,
Speaker 2: and movies like The Bell Witch where it's like, was
Speaker 2: it something well the movie and the whole experience that
Speaker 2: the Bell Witch was in our history, was it something
Speaker 2: he did to bring upon this curse?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe Chelsea's like, maybe he fucked her. That's what Chelsea said,
Speaker 2: that maybe he she maybe he fucked the witch.
Speaker 3: And I was like, ah, and I am I would
Speaker 3: agree with that. There's definitely something I think underlying there
Speaker 3: with him. And that's why, like I said earlier about
Speaker 3: like he's such like he seems like such a bitch
Speaker 3: of like his personality and he seems like really shitty
Speaker 3: and kind of sneaky, he yeah, he so. Then thomasin
Speaker 3: points out like all the ship that he's done wrong.
Speaker 3: She starts to accuse the twins of like retaliating because
Speaker 3: of the trick she played on them. You know, she says,
Speaker 3: the Black Phillip is is essentially the devil. Yes, So
Speaker 3: then the dad's like really pissed off, can't figure out
Speaker 3: who the culprit is, even though personally I think the
Speaker 3: entire thing is fault. So he decides to as as
Speaker 3: any man would do with his kids, is locked them
Speaker 3: all in the.
Speaker 2: Shed with the goat that they think is the devil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, until further knows and there's like some yeah, there's
Speaker 3: like they have some dialogue while they're in the shed.
Speaker 3: Thomas and asked the twins, you know, did they really
Speaker 3: talk to Black Philip. They don't answer, and she overhears
Speaker 3: William I think is the dad's name. She overhears him,
Speaker 3: I guess confessingto God or whoever, like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's his own fault. He was so stubborn. He that's
Speaker 3: what got them out of the village. It wasn't anything
Speaker 3: to do with like his being devoted to his religion.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what the mom's going through in this scene.
Speaker 2: Also that scene okay for everybody if you like, you know,
Speaker 2: people are tuning in and that can not see some
Speaker 2: of the imagery that we're showing. Is that scene where
Speaker 2: she is essentially hallucinating because of some sort of witchcraft.
Speaker 2: That's why part of me was like, is it the
Speaker 2: sickness from like ergot poisoning or some sort of thing
Speaker 2: that they ate where she thinks she she's in so
Speaker 2: much guilt, in so much turmoil. She turns and sees
Speaker 2: Caleb with the baby Sam and talking to her, and
Speaker 2: then what do you remember what she does next?
Speaker 3: That that whole thing, right, And I had seen people
Speaker 3: talking about I mentioned earlier about the witch's teeth thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know. Some people are like, oh,
Speaker 3: that that's what it is. Other people say that, no,
Speaker 3: it's just the Ravens like turning her tit off or whatever,
Speaker 3: like pecking her tit. That that again, And I don't know,
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't probably because it's not actually like that
Speaker 3: grotesque running but that whole like two three minutes of
Speaker 3: that scene like really fucking bay me on comfortable.
Speaker 2: Me too, where like you start to okay at first
Speaker 2: because I haven't seen this in a while. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like weird, Like Chelsea's even like because I watched
Speaker 2: it with my Fianza is like she's like like she's hallucinating,
Speaker 2: like she's not seeing this stuff. And then I forgot
Speaker 2: about that scene. It's fine where it just kind of
Speaker 2: like just turns to her and she's wanting to essentially
Speaker 2: take the baby and nourish it by using her tit.
Speaker 2: And then it cuts to the scene where you see
Speaker 2: what's really going on and she's holding nothing and a
Speaker 2: fucking crow or some sort of raven is fucking pecking
Speaker 2: and ripping apart her nipple, and then then then that
Speaker 2: can like it's such a disturbing scene. And then when
Speaker 2: it comes to the next day where she's just like
Speaker 2: laying on her side like she took too many fucking
Speaker 2: psychedelics or some sort of bad drug in it's just like, whoa,
Speaker 2: Like what happened last night? Like that scene I was
Speaker 2: like laying there afterwards, I'm like because part of me
Speaker 2: during that scene was like, she's gonna die. This is
Speaker 2: where she dies, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, And just the expressions on her face, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she's like laughing because I was looking at I was like,
Speaker 3: is that like a laugh? Is it a cry? I
Speaker 3: was like, that shit's gonna like haunt me. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have nightmares about that. Yes, that that's one of those
Speaker 3: things that like, uh, just the flash of that image
Speaker 3: of her sticks in my mind where I'm like, that
Speaker 3: is such a fuck dumb.
Speaker 2: Visual to me. It's the same way that Hereditary when
Speaker 2: the chick's head gets lopped off, whether driving that same
Speaker 2: sort of feeling where it's just a cut scene and
Speaker 2: then you're like holy fuck, like and then it takes
Speaker 2: like and it shows something super graphic and disturbing and
Speaker 2: then cuts to something else after like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like especially you're like bred Terry did it
Speaker 2: more like a little different but this and how it
Speaker 2: doesn't show what happens later. It just shows her on
Speaker 2: her side, woke up like, oh ship would I do
Speaker 2: last night?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so from from from this point, yeah, let
Speaker 3: me see what.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about the shed scene or they're
Speaker 2: like it locked in the fucking weird shed thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so where let me see. So we've talked about
Speaker 3: the raven pecking, her taste all that stuff, so then
Speaker 3: right after there what happens?
Speaker 2: Don't they get? They're locked in the shed and the
Speaker 2: twins are like, you know, they're just chilling, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden or they're like laying there, they're
Speaker 2: talking and be like do you be a witch? And
Speaker 2: they're like no, and then they're like, I'm not a
Speaker 2: witch either. Like she like Thomasin tells them like, hey,
Speaker 2: like are you into like like are you part of this?
Speaker 2: Are you actually the witches? Because everyone's pointing things at
Speaker 2: each other, nobody knows who's doing what. The fact that
Speaker 2: the younger fucking twin the female she she says that
Speaker 2: she sees the witch outside of the woods earlier, like
Speaker 2: that she talks to her.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then Thomasin is like the it come the movie
Speaker 2: very much comes from her point of view of more
Speaker 2: or less being the more sane person that's kind of outcasted,
Speaker 2: and you know, she's essentially if the mom dies, she
Speaker 2: has to be the female figure in the family, if
Speaker 2: there's disease all, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know what's really interesting actually about you
Speaker 3: saying that you know about essentially the entire thing has
Speaker 3: been shown from her point of view. The original The
Speaker 3: original structure when he first wrote the movie was broken
Speaker 3: into five acts, and each act was going to be
Speaker 3: told from the perspective of a different family member.
Speaker 2: That would have been interesting. There's that movie that came
Speaker 2: out the Night Something the Green. I mean, it's told
Speaker 2: from all these different perspectives. This movie in medieval times
Speaker 2: with who plays fucking the guy from Star Wars with
Speaker 2: the fuck red lightsaber new one, Kyla Wren? What the
Speaker 2: fuck's his name? I'll actually like him a lot.
Speaker 3: Adam Driver.
Speaker 2: So yes, do you know what film I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It's like Adam Driver, Matt Damon, and Ben Affleck are
Speaker 2: in it, and he's kind of an asshole in the film,
Speaker 2: but it shows it through all these three different people's
Speaker 2: perspectives of how this chick got essentially fucking raped, and
Speaker 2: it's it was a strange film and everyone praises it.
Speaker 2: The ending was the best part, and it's like the
Speaker 2: last je Last Duel. Yeah, that's it. That's it, And
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen it, it's worth watching at least
Speaker 2: once you'll see what I'm saying that. It's like you
Speaker 2: can't always tell it from three different perspectives, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad of what he did, because I don't know if
Speaker 2: it would have been too much for the film to
Speaker 2: tell it from all these different perspectives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because you gets with one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get one version essentially of how she's seeing
Speaker 2: what's happening, and you more or less she because I
Speaker 2: said to Chelsea, I listened that book to lave one
Speaker 2: and that was a lot of David Wilcox books and
Speaker 2: read them and he talks about how there's always in
Speaker 2: movies there's the arc right where it's just like there
Speaker 2: has to be a climax. There has to be essentially
Speaker 2: like you build up a character which the audience resonates
Speaker 2: with's the hero's journey is what this is called, and
Speaker 2: it's within all cinema essentially that if you understand it
Speaker 2: that it's within every single movie. This one fucking strays
Speaker 2: away from that a little bit where you're like everyone's
Speaker 2: gonna die. This is like going down this direction and
Speaker 2: like it's just going like horribly bad, where I'm like,
Speaker 2: there is no hero's journey until you kind of realize
Speaker 2: the end where you're like maybe the witches are the
Speaker 2: good guys, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way the story arc of this film is strange.
Speaker 3: And so from that point, then the dad William wakes up.
Speaker 3: He finds the Gold House destroid. All the golds are
Speaker 3: all like and the twins are missing, and then Thomason
Speaker 3: is like unconscious. I think she's like covered in blood. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she wakes up and I think they have a small
Speaker 3: bit of dialogue and then Black Philip comes out of nowhere, and.
Speaker 2: It is that scene is also crazy. We're like the
Speaker 2: Dad's talking to her and like like you know, like
Speaker 2: where is everybody? The twins disappear and then she's like,
Speaker 2: I can't explain it kind of thing. She's like she
Speaker 2: can't when she says the line she came from the sky.
Speaker 2: That's where I was like, that gave me chills, Like
Speaker 2: that idea that like a witch comes in out of
Speaker 2: nowhere in those times, especially with the idea that they
Speaker 2: truly believed in a demonic force, which does exist to
Speaker 2: some extent, but like it's this idea and then Black
Speaker 2: Philip essentially retaliates in some weird way of this all
Speaker 2: this negative energy and fucking gives the dad some sort
Speaker 2: of karma you could say, and fucking pins him and
Speaker 2: it's just like, it's a disturbing it's super disturbed. It's
Speaker 2: a bad scene, a god scene, like bad in the
Speaker 2: way of the way it makes you feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then from there the murder what's her name Catherine?
Speaker 3: Is it Catherine something like that because he's Yeah, she
Speaker 3: appears from nowhere and basically accuses Thomasin of causing the
Speaker 3: entire thing. It says that she seduced the dad and
Speaker 3: Caleb and that's what she was always doing and goes
Speaker 3: to attacker.
Speaker 2: You're the witch. Yeah, it's all you, and she freaks out.
Speaker 2: It's every scene in this movie I think is very
Speaker 2: well done in the emotion that it invokes.
Speaker 3: And Thomasin proceeds to kill her with what did it call. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like a sickle or a bill hook something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So she kills her in self defense.
Speaker 2: I suppose that's what I thought. Mean, Like when me
Speaker 2: and my girlfriend watching were like, hey, so she has
Speaker 2: something in her hand. She already hits you once, okay,
Speaker 2: and you're so focused on choking Thomasin to death her
Speaker 2: own child that you don't realize that she can just
Speaker 2: hit you again. And she gets to the point where
Speaker 2: she's choking her that Thomasin essentially has no other reaction
Speaker 2: but to retaliate because you're gonna die. You have that
Speaker 2: fight or flight instinct from your reptilitian core of your brain,
Speaker 2: and then you just fucking hit. And that scenms fuck too,
Speaker 2: because that's at the moment where you realize the twins
Speaker 2: are gone, her dad's dead, and you just killed your
Speaker 2: own mother.
Speaker 3: It's so like it's when you hear someone talk about it,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I don't really I just feel like
Speaker 3: you can't do it. Ential does you really need to
Speaker 3: it to? Actually? Like, because I think everyone will have
Speaker 3: their own, maybe little version of how they interpret everything.
Speaker 3: I don't think everybody will see the movie exactly the
Speaker 3: same way. There's going to be something at some point
Speaker 3: that you might feel.
Speaker 2: That somebody else does.
Speaker 3: She feel like, yeah, everything, man, And I'm going to
Speaker 3: read this bit. I copy and pasted this exactly from
Speaker 3: the the plot breakdown because I feel like it tells
Speaker 3: the last little bit really well and again just adds
Speaker 3: to like how like bizarre and out there, this whole
Speaker 3: thing is so now alone. Thomasin hears chiming and enters
Speaker 3: the stable, where she urges Black Philip to speak to her.
Speaker 3: The goat responds in a human voice, asking if she
Speaker 3: would like to live deliciously in a life of luxury,
Speaker 3: and then materializes into a tall, black clad man. He
Speaker 3: tells Thomasin to her remove her clothes and sign her
Speaker 3: name in a book that appears before her. Thomasin then
Speaker 3: follows Black Philip into the forest nude, where she joins
Speaker 3: a coven holding a witch's sabbath around a bond for
Speaker 3: the witches begin to levitate, and Thomasin joins them, laughing
Speaker 3: maniacally and ascending above the trees with her newfound sense
Speaker 3: of belonging, which again that there for some reason, and
Speaker 3: I don't know why because it's not really that made
Speaker 3: me like that give me chills.
Speaker 2: That whole scene we're showing a clip of when everyone
Speaker 2: starts lifting in the air. Now, that whole scene me,
Speaker 2: even my girlfriend was like, I don't want to know
Speaker 2: what the fuck she's She's like, there's something behind her
Speaker 2: because it doesn't show anything. Okay, it doesn't show you
Speaker 2: what the goat turns into. It doesn't really. It just
Speaker 2: shows shadows and kind of footsteps and you just kind
Speaker 2: of see legs, which more or less to me seem
Speaker 2: like goat hood legs, like the iconic baphomett devil right,
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole imagination sparks, and like, I love films.
Speaker 2: And my grandfather was very into horror, but hated the
Speaker 2: slasher films, okay, but he liked those old films. He's like,
Speaker 2: he's like, tell me to watch you know, the original
Speaker 2: House on the Hanta Hill. And he liked abin A
Speaker 2: Costello Meet Frankenstein. Where I kind of left your mind
Speaker 2: to the imagination with certain older films, Psycho kind of
Speaker 2: does it. But as these films that I kind of
Speaker 2: allow you to think in these psychological thrillers is how
Speaker 2: they were done. It leaves everything up to the imagination.
Speaker 2: And when we had the speaker behind us, okay, I
Speaker 2: hook it up to the project to a big speaker
Speaker 2: that I have and then he's like, you hear the
Speaker 2: goat start whispering and talking to her like would you
Speaker 2: like to live outside of this? And in talking to her,
Speaker 2: it creeped the shit out of me. It left me.
Speaker 2: I'm saying this movie left me in so many ideas
Speaker 2: in the thoughts that I had, I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: I looked up this chick after do you find Thomason
Speaker 2: the actor Air and Taylor some fucking shit. She's I
Speaker 2: think she's fairly attractive. I looked her up. I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: she's like an attractive chick. And she does a lot
Speaker 2: of other movies that I didn't know that she was in,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, she's in this and that, and
Speaker 2: I was like, weird, Yeah, yeah, no, she is Anna
Speaker 2: Taylor something.
Speaker 3: What's your name, Anna Anya Taylor Joy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's and other stuff where I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: and she And that's why if you see a yukuper
Speaker 2: ibmd is how you say it? Fucking other those she
Speaker 2: is you see that it's she might be associated with
Speaker 2: the nos Faratu film. So in that scene to like,
Speaker 2: as we're talking about, that's the scene where it changes
Speaker 2: the entire experience of the film where like, and then
Speaker 2: obviously I'm feeling weird things. I find her attractive, and
Speaker 2: then she's like she gets naked and you can kind
Speaker 2: of just see the glimmer of her ass and you're like,
Speaker 2: and that idea of like this chick, it's for men,
Speaker 2: you know, females. You don't really make me understand if
Speaker 2: you don't feel these things, but like this idea of
Speaker 2: a woman's being naked walking into the woods, where it's
Speaker 2: like you're open and more free. Like I've always joked
Speaker 2: that if I was really as comfortable, if I was
Speaker 2: more fit, maybe I would be a nudist. I'd go
Speaker 2: to a nudist colony. He wouldn't bother me that much,
Speaker 2: especially because I do psychedelic and stuff where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, if everyone was just cool with each other
Speaker 2: and then it's just the human body, so that the
Speaker 2: experience of her just walking into and that feeling right
Speaker 2: of exposing yourself to the all the elements, and that's
Speaker 2: what I'd like. Witchcraft at his core is essentially like
Speaker 2: becoming one with nature in some dark capacity, because that's
Speaker 2: what the whole folcal around which is is. And back
Speaker 2: when I actually finished high school, I went back to
Speaker 2: school to finish because I was working in other things.
Speaker 2: I talked to this girl and she was older than me,
Speaker 2: trying to finish up school in her thirties, and she
Speaker 2: is a Wickan and a new age witch. And she
Speaker 2: said that she goes to the parties in Ottawa, parties,
Speaker 2: so to speak. But the Sabbath is the Sabbath, Black
Speaker 2: Sabbath war. Literally they dance around the forest, uh naked
Speaker 2: a bunch of people that believe in this stuff, and
Speaker 2: they still use it to this day.
Speaker 3: I mean I would do what, I'd probably sign that
Speaker 3: fucking book if Thomasin was on the other side of that.
Speaker 2: And that's and I've said this before to Chelsea, right,
Speaker 2: So my idea of how that exists, right is to me,
Speaker 2: celebrities do this. I believe you can sell your soul.
Speaker 2: So and this is what these witches are doing, is
Speaker 2: they're coming into the woods, right and and they're doing
Speaker 2: these all sorts of witchcraft to gain them something in
Speaker 2: this physical existence. Right. I believe this shit about like
Speaker 2: why Beyonce is associated with the Illuminati and these celebrities
Speaker 2: that sell their soul for fame and fortune. Here you
Speaker 2: get all of that, right, but in the next reality,
Speaker 2: you'll have to experience something horrible to essentially cleanse your karma.
Speaker 2: That's how I see it. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Does that sound that's a that's a scary talk for
Speaker 3: all those people I.
Speaker 2: Know, because you're here to you physically sell your soul
Speaker 2: to because everyone says like this person sold her soul
Speaker 2: to the devil. That idea of that what's his name,
Speaker 2: Robert Johnson that played that riff and got the devil
Speaker 2: to possess him to become this amazing guitar player and
Speaker 2: at the crossroads, and that idea that essentially here in
Speaker 2: this physical world, you sell yourself. That's why I believe
Speaker 2: Witchcraft could be to this demonic power if you sign
Speaker 2: your soul to the devil or sign your thing in
Speaker 2: the book. And even at the ending of watching it,
Speaker 2: Chelsea was like, we're talking about go. She was like
Speaker 2: looking at me, Austrain, and she's like, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to sign the book tonight because I was like she
Speaker 2: knew I was visibly freaked out more than her, and
Speaker 2: she's like, I didn't find that freaking I was like, well,
Speaker 2: Eda Graham, and then tell me what you think.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been able for that,
Speaker 3: to be honest, if I had the reaction I did
Speaker 3: while Little Solber, I can't imagine what it would have
Speaker 3: been like.
Speaker 2: Well, this end of the film, right, like, I want
Speaker 2: to hear more of your thoughts about like, because the
Speaker 2: end of the film is to me, the best part
Speaker 2: where you're starting to realize, like, hey, who's these and
Speaker 2: then makes you think though it leaves you thinking who
Speaker 2: are these other women that come into the shot? And
Speaker 2: then you see Black Philips standing there and essentially he's
Speaker 2: supposed to represent the devil and they all like and
Speaker 2: then she is naked and everyone's naked in this black sabbath,
Speaker 2: and then she starts to realize right that she's like,
Speaker 2: she's now part of this. She signed the book, and
Speaker 2: she the way they filmed her fucking face and the
Speaker 2: way her face changes, especially when I was watching Outside Mushrooms,
Speaker 2: is the way he filmed it was incredible because it
Speaker 2: shows this demonic looking face and how you see her
Speaker 2: faces like ecstasy and in all enjoyment of what every
Speaker 2: pleasure sense is going off in your brain essentially in
Speaker 2: the way she and you see her lifting. I want
Speaker 2: to hear more of what you think about that scene,
Speaker 2: because that shit like stayed with me. Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: Before I get into that, there's something I wanted to
Speaker 3: touch on that I've seen a lot of people talking
Speaker 3: about throughout the movie, this idea of you know, why
Speaker 3: she part of this for the entire movie. Some people
Speaker 3: reckon that she was It wasn't just there that she
Speaker 3: she finally submitted or whatever, But I can't help but
Speaker 3: feel that, you know, she seems innocent in many of
Speaker 3: the things that she's accused of, yes by her family
Speaker 3: throughout the movie. But I think you could argue that,
Speaker 3: like horror, constantly being hounded like that and kind of
Speaker 3: pushed to that degree is what eventually caused her to
Speaker 3: turn to the dark arts in a way. And I
Speaker 3: think it kind of harkens back to, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I loosely research some I guess real life stories and
Speaker 3: it seemed to be a similar thing. Like you said,
Speaker 3: it was very easy to just be like, yeah, she's
Speaker 3: a witch, and there is actually a lot of cases
Speaker 3: of people being the women being accused of being a
Speaker 3: witch or whatever that eventually had like I don't know
Speaker 3: whether it's some sort of like a psychotic breakdown or whatever,
Speaker 3: and basically just went yeah, I am.
Speaker 2: Eventually admit because like, okay, it's like those tortures right
Speaker 2: where they torture prisoners and people to be like are
Speaker 2: you a part of al Qaida? And then just keep
Speaker 2: doing it and eventually like how do I get myself
Speaker 2: out of this? Your brain reverts to like I need
Speaker 2: to say whatever they want me to say. This is
Speaker 2: a good way to talk about it. Okay, Brandon Dacy
Speaker 2: Okay in that famous yeah making him because essentially they
Speaker 2: just co opted him. That's the way I used to
Speaker 2: say these things because he was someone who was not
Speaker 2: of a high intellect, and the court is I didnt
Speaker 2: when I was a kid where they were like, you
Speaker 2: just need to admit everything, and I was just spewing
Speaker 2: on as a kid to the cops when I was
Speaker 2: like fifteen, you can't do that shit. You have to
Speaker 2: make sure a lawyer. My mom was pissed because she's like,
Speaker 2: shouldn't there be a parent there or something, because I
Speaker 2: was just like like, ah, yeah, I did this, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry to And it's just like they don't tell you
Speaker 2: need a cop around, so like essentially you're just like
Speaker 2: putting people in this box and eventually they're gonna say
Speaker 2: something just to satisfy this bullshit. And that's why I turned.
Speaker 2: I thought that same thing where it's like you pushed
Speaker 2: her to this, she has nothing left, yeah, which.
Speaker 3: Is like yeah, like if you look at it from
Speaker 3: that point of view, like, Okay, her decision to sign
Speaker 3: The Devil's Book I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: She spent her entire life, I'm assuming, being made to
Speaker 3: like devote herself to God and her faith blindly, without
Speaker 3: any real like you know, other than her parents probably
Speaker 3: being like this is what we do. She has no
Speaker 3: real reason to follow.
Speaker 2: No, And I've had that thing, Like I was never religious, right,
Speaker 2: I went to church a couple of times. I hated
Speaker 2: fucking the Sunday bull. Should they make kids do it?
Speaker 2: What was it called Sunday class or whatever?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: And after this many times we're like I was like six, seven,
Speaker 2: eight years old. The church that we were at started
Speaker 2: talking about how gay people are bad, and I have
Speaker 2: a gay uncle, and I was like, all right, like
Speaker 2: my mom, Well, my mom was like all right, we're leaving.
Speaker 2: And I never took anything from that. I was always
Speaker 2: kind of spiritual. My grandma was the one that gave
Speaker 2: me my first Ouiji board. But there was something that
Speaker 2: about religion where like this sums off here you have
Speaker 2: good intentions, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, and I think if we're talking
Speaker 3: specifically about about Thomasin and these people, and you know,
Speaker 3: she follows this fad blindly, I'm assuming, you know, at
Speaker 3: the instruction of her parents or whatever. It's just like
Speaker 3: the dumb thing, that's what they do. And you know
Speaker 3: what does she get real art of which she gets
Speaker 3: cast from the column or you know, or her dad
Speaker 3: foxed that up for then her entire family turned against
Speaker 3: her and essentially create the thing that they fear the most.
Speaker 3: They become that I guess fearful of, like satan and
Speaker 3: curses and witches. It was so deeply instilled in their
Speaker 3: fate that it actually causes them to abandon any rational task.
Speaker 3: They turn on Thomason and basically turn her into the
Speaker 3: thing they fear the most.
Speaker 2: And it's funny to bring it full circle, a full circle,
Speaker 2: because essentially that's why I said what you fear, you
Speaker 2: bring near. So the fact that like and say this
Speaker 2: was based on some it is. The movie is based
Speaker 2: on a bunch of different stories and the director specifically
Speaker 2: went very deep into this lore and probably made one
Speaker 2: of the most disturbing yet greatest iconic witch films that
Speaker 2: I think will ever exist. In the time and the
Speaker 2: feeling of that place of being you're you're not in
Speaker 2: like you know, people from Ireland, Scotland, Britain, we're all
Speaker 2: sending here towards Canada and North America, and you had
Speaker 2: left your old life behind to hopefully have a better
Speaker 2: life in that religious field, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: where like everyone is scared and everyone is in fear,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna essentially if something you don't understand,
Speaker 2: like people thinking differently in a very time of strict religion,
Speaker 2: then you start to point the finger at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think out of all
Speaker 3: those cases that there was, I was inspiration taken from.
Speaker 3: I think the one I'm not sure I've sent it
Speaker 3: to you there. I don't have to pronounce that Zugara Zugara, murdy.
Speaker 2: Zu gotta murray. Sure, Yeah, I can't pronounce you on
Speaker 2: this podcast. That's why I'm so cringey.
Speaker 3: But so the that's it was this zugaram mardi, which
Speaker 3: burning process, which was in sixteen ten, I think in
Speaker 3: the Spanish Inquisition is actually what majority is based on.
Speaker 3: That was like some time before Salem as far as
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would like to talk about this on
Speaker 2: another episode for sure, like it will eventually come on
Speaker 2: Stranger podcast now that I consider you one of the
Speaker 2: co hosts, is that I want to talk more about
Speaker 2: like the idea of which is more than we'll do
Speaker 2: even here, and the history of it specifically, because a
Speaker 2: lot of the burnings come from a time back in
Speaker 2: like France and you know, earlier times, and it came
Speaker 2: from European culture where mostly we were not burning people.
Speaker 2: We were hanging them. Most times we're hanging them, like
Speaker 2: I would be curious if someone which has had the guillotine.
Speaker 2: But to me, what I've read and understood is that
Speaker 2: most times in least North America and where I am,
Speaker 2: they would hang them or like and I know that existed,
Speaker 2: and it's not as much as people think it is.
Speaker 2: Where they drown them too. They put them in a
Speaker 2: chair and tie them to the chair and they push
Speaker 2: them in the wire and be like, all right, if
Speaker 2: you surface, you're a witch. If you die, we know
Speaker 2: you're not a witch.
Speaker 3: Cool, great deal, thanks, Like.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, do you want to like
Speaker 2: you know where I'm going with this thought is like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't as prevalent this witch burning thing that we
Speaker 2: have in our culture of what people associate with, which
Speaker 2: is as actually people think it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no for sure, And I think it's just something
Speaker 3: like that I suppose seemed as like the most commercial,
Speaker 3: like crazy looking image would be being tied to a
Speaker 3: steak and being burned a life. The Satanic Temple actually
Speaker 3: endorsed this film, and their spokesperson was noted as saying,
Speaker 3: it's and an impressive presentation of Satanic insights that will
Speaker 3: inform contemporary discussion of religious experience.
Speaker 2: That's funny you talking about there. What's is the milky
Speaker 2: eyed dude that runs the Satanic Temple now? And you
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about? Yeah, what's his name? It's like,
Speaker 2: I like I and to me at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this podcast, because what I was into, I had the
Speaker 2: Satanic Bible. I have it somewhere beside me. I write
Speaker 2: in the Satanic Bible, and I would talk about and
Speaker 2: Anton's like you said it on the episode that you
Speaker 2: were a Satanist, because now I say, I don't subscribe
Speaker 2: to anything and I and I never really have. Well,
Speaker 2: I thought it was edgy had a time where I
Speaker 2: was learning about back in the day a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. Learning about Satanism is essentially like to me,
Speaker 2: at least, Anton LaVey's Satanism is just based on Okay,
Speaker 2: you're a god in your own right, which I've thought beforehand,
Speaker 2: before I ever got the Satanic Bible. There's this guy
Speaker 2: named George calavisiis UFO contact from Australia. Can't find anything
Speaker 2: about him anymore. No, I've never seen any more of
Speaker 2: his videos. Watched it a lot when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: He like disappeared and he used to have supposed to
Speaker 2: be contact with the and Dramaa Council. I was super
Speaker 2: into the ship as a teenager, and he said they
Speaker 2: were all gods and all right you have these talks
Speaker 2: and that He's like, we're all connected to whatever God is,
Speaker 2: we are also a part of. So it means we're
Speaker 2: all gods here in this existence because we're connected to
Speaker 2: some higher reality or higher self. So and then hearing
Speaker 2: about all this stuff with like the witchcraft and the
Speaker 2: burning and the idea of that you know, we that
Speaker 2: you can be influenced on different levels of reality, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And that I in that
Speaker 2: that say, like in Anton Levetti, uh, Anton LaVey's version
Speaker 2: is essentially that you just okay, you hold who cares? Really,
Speaker 2: there's no afterlife essentially in some views of how we
Speaker 2: put it, but essentially that you're just here to experience
Speaker 2: this and move on. Uh. And that's what I took
Speaker 2: from it. That's not bad because I do believe there's
Speaker 2: different sects of Satanism, you know what I mean, there's
Speaker 2: different sections. Some kill children. In my opinion that I
Speaker 2: believe that did existence may still And there's the word
Speaker 2: one where it's you know what I mean, one where
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, I just don't like religion, it's
Speaker 2: against the religion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say like, unfortunately, that dude that you
Speaker 3: were talking about, his name is Lucian Greaves. Yes, he
Speaker 3: he Unfortunately, I think by just his his look alone,
Speaker 3: probably he gave a lot of canon father to like
Speaker 3: media and stuff, because I think it's it was really
Speaker 3: easy to put like a photograph of him and be
Speaker 3: like Satanic Temple man killed kids and stuff, and like
Speaker 3: you would look at that and he has like the
Speaker 3: fucking weird milky eye and stuff and you're like.
Speaker 2: I think that same thing where it's just like and
Speaker 2: to me, who whatever the Satanic Temple does and is
Speaker 2: behind all of this stuff, because who knows who's orchestrating
Speaker 2: that sort of organization. They chose somebody a figurehead, much
Speaker 2: like the queen all these people we see in society
Speaker 2: as someone who looked evil? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because you think that he was. Just to me, it's like,
Speaker 2: did you actually create this because you felt like an
Speaker 2: outcast because you looked different and people thought you were scary,
Speaker 2: so you developed your own section of Satanism or at
Speaker 2: least carried on other people's traditions to do with that
Speaker 2: belief in folklore, you could even say. And then it's
Speaker 2: just like, or did somebody put him in that position
Speaker 2: because of what he looked like? Do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, like he I'm just reading here. He had
Speaker 3: said in an interview about how the idea for the
Speaker 3: whole Satanic temple was conceived, and he said they envisioned
Speaker 3: it as a poison pill in the church state. At
Speaker 3: the base, the idea was that Satanists their rights and
Speaker 3: privileges where religious agendas have been successful in imposing themselves
Speaker 3: upon public affairs, because services are reminder that such privileges
Speaker 3: are for everybody and can be used to serve an
Speaker 3: agenda beyond the current narrow understanding of what the religious
Speaker 3: agenda actually is.
Speaker 2: That's very much what I kind of like, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I get what he's I get
Speaker 2: where he's coming from when it comes to that stuff.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't subscribe to any belief,
Speaker 2: but some part of me is like, ah, I get that.
Speaker 2: You know, they're not bad people. I love fucking wearing black, man.
Speaker 2: I used to wear a fucking eyeline when I was
Speaker 2: a fourteen year old kid and wear nothing but black
Speaker 2: and cut off black gloves. Like I was super emo.
Speaker 2: I like the darkness, man, I'm into morbid, weird shit.
Speaker 2: So I get it. So you can see why they
Speaker 2: would pick this film because of how it does show
Speaker 2: the religious influence on certain things to do with what
Speaker 2: we don't understand, like craft and the belief in a devil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know, it harkens into He
Speaker 3: went on record at one point and said that Satanism,
Speaker 3: they don't worship Satan, the temple of the Satanic Temple,
Speaker 3: don't follow Satan, that it's based on personal sovereignty, independence,
Speaker 3: freedom of will.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that. They chose the same way fucking ants
Speaker 2: on the way, did they just chose the nay that
Speaker 2: was edgy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, essentially, I mean, like I said, you know,
Speaker 3: for newspapers and magazines and shit, it was a really
Speaker 3: easy target to be like, you know, Satanic temple leader
Speaker 3: and it's like this dude with fucking milky ice, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, I mean, it really is, Like it's it's
Speaker 3: such an easy target, Like it's like shooting fish in
Speaker 3: a barrel.
Speaker 2: Like it's I feel like I should have his fucking
Speaker 2: just for this, for everybody fucking gibe us. Like as
Speaker 2: we're talking about this though, we're event we're bringing this
Speaker 2: to the clothes. What the fuck's his name?
Speaker 3: Fucking Lucian l U c I E. N. Grieves Is
Speaker 3: he's a weird looking dude.
Speaker 2: But yeah, fucking even watching like you know that. Did
Speaker 2: you watch the doc Hail Safety with the question mark? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I liked it because it's just pointing at a different point
Speaker 2: of view. And the thing is, nowadays everyone wants to
Speaker 2: be accepted, right, we have this whole community when it
Speaker 2: comes to l g B, t Q plus whatever ever,
Speaker 2: like let's include everybody right where. It's just like you
Speaker 2: have to eventually, like I see somewhat of the them
Speaker 2: destroying religion and the fundamental morals of religion, which are
Speaker 2: good in some ways, but I also see it where
Speaker 2: it's just like, if you want to be inclusive, you
Speaker 2: gotta let this motherfucker come into play, because you know what, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a freaky looking do I know why I didn't
Speaker 2: save it in HD? But and I really makes it worse.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I'm mis bantering on, but
Speaker 2: essentially I want to just kind of, like we can
Speaker 2: edit slowly talk about, like, you know, this idea of
Speaker 2: satan that we see in our culture, right, I would
Speaker 2: like to We've had talks where I want to start
Speaker 2: at like the hell Fire Club and then go forward
Speaker 2: then talk about Anton Leavey and me and Anton I
Speaker 2: was talking about what would be called her Hell Series,
Speaker 2: which if you're interested, we could all three of us
Speaker 2: do it and it would be long, but essentially it's
Speaker 2: gonna be like four episodes talking about like Hell essentially
Speaker 2: in the paintings and everything that's associated in our culture
Speaker 2: way back in the day to then maybe the hell
Speaker 2: Fire Club next, and then Anton LaVey Satanism, and then
Speaker 2: now what Satanism is today.
Speaker 3: I would love to do that. I think it's a
Speaker 3: fascinating topic. I know a lot of people will say,
Speaker 3: you know, oh, it's been covered a lot. I actually
Speaker 3: I don't know if it has, though I still, yeah,
Speaker 3: I still feel like that, Yes it has been covered. Yes,
Speaker 3: people put it as the title litter podcast episodes or
Speaker 3: YouTube channels and stuff like that, But I still don't
Speaker 3: think there's been like a proper deep dive into what
Speaker 3: it is actually behind some of it and what some
Speaker 3: of it means and.
Speaker 2: To me, because you know, I feel like the way
Speaker 2: we do things is a lot different than other podcasts,
Speaker 2: and you know, with the use of even me being
Speaker 2: experienced in psychedelics and you and Anton as even Anton's
Speaker 2: died more of the stuff than I have, and his
Speaker 2: youth like LSD and stuff like that which I eventually
Speaker 2: want to try once and s. Yeah, that makes me
Speaker 2: feel because psychodelics are interesting to me as learning from them,
Speaker 2: but like it allows you in some way, it changes
Speaker 2: the top user where I see outside of things differently. Well,
Speaker 2: I feel like, genuinely I'm giving a different perspective in
Speaker 2: a lot of the shows we do then some people
Speaker 2: would have because I'm literally I believe in some crazy shit,
Speaker 2: but I try to go on subjectively where I'm like,
Speaker 2: who fucking knows. But this is what I think, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I like about you know, about
Speaker 3: doing these episodes, but you you don't just get the
Speaker 3: the generic cookie cutter yeah, because you know, in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, it's easy to do that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's easy to say I'm interested in these things and
Speaker 3: I'm curious and then just kind of you know, I
Speaker 3: have the same spiel as everybody else and just say
Speaker 3: the same shit. But when you actually do like the
Speaker 3: one thing I respect about that as well as being
Speaker 3: able to to say or admit things without without any
Speaker 3: fear of like repercussion or whatever, in the sense of
Speaker 3: being like, yeah, I like to wear black, you know,
Speaker 3: I like to listen to this, or I like to
Speaker 3: look at that, or I don't have an issue with this.
Speaker 3: I feel like we've I had an interview with I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever seen the slasher movie Cherry Falls.
Speaker 2: I actually like that film.
Speaker 3: It's not like a witch a witchka Brittany Murphy. Brittany
Speaker 3: Murphy is an.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm thinking of Black Falls Cherry and it's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, Yeah, And it was directed by an
Speaker 3: Australian director called Jeffrey Wright, and I had a chance
Speaker 3: to interview him earlier today and he he kind of
Speaker 3: he kind of alluded back to that as well. He
Speaker 3: was like, you know this movie when basically what happened
Speaker 3: was they released the movie right and he had like
Speaker 3: a super unrated version of the movie and the end
Speaker 3: scene basically just really quickly before we end this. So,
Speaker 3: like the the very loose plot of the movie was
Speaker 3: they tried to turn the whole slasher idea kind of
Speaker 3: on its head a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a picture that Brittany Murphy, Michael
Speaker 2: Brian Gabriel man, Oh I know that one, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen this.
Speaker 3: So basically how it works is the killer is killing virgins.
Speaker 3: So you know the way at the time, like it
Speaker 3: would have been in like a slasher movie, it was like, oh,
Speaker 3: if you have sexual diet, yeah, in this one, they
Speaker 3: flip it the other way.
Speaker 2: Essentially.
Speaker 3: Yes, So basically the end of the movie is this
Speaker 3: huge blood bat of like there's like seventy to eighty
Speaker 3: teenagers having a massive, like weird blood orge eating and yeah,
Speaker 3: so when he went they screened it and like the
Speaker 3: audience went wild. But the studio were like, Nah, too dangerous,
Speaker 3: can't be releasing that kind of stuff, So they basically
Speaker 3: made them do another four cuts of the movie. And
Speaker 3: he said that the movie that got released, the only
Speaker 3: version of the movie that ever got released, and the
Speaker 3: one that you know I will see, you will see
Speaker 3: if you watch it is basically the airplane version, and
Speaker 3: it's like the softest cut possible. And he was just
Speaker 3: talking about you know, I said, do you think we'll
Speaker 3: ever see the unrated and he was like, the footage
Speaker 3: is somewhere, the material is out there, but you know,
Speaker 3: it's been twenty years and not in the surface. And
Speaker 3: he was just talking about how nowadays he was like,
Speaker 3: it would be next to impossible to even to even
Speaker 3: write that down on a piece of paper and put
Speaker 3: that in front of an executive. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have a an eighty person blood orgy. But it's just
Speaker 3: a movie and it's just for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and I'm seeing I've never even seen it,
Speaker 2: which I'd be interested in the fact that, like he's
Speaker 2: a director essentially, so right is that like he was
Speaker 2: right the director so and somebody else wrote the script right,
Speaker 2: So then the producers get a hold of it, and
Speaker 2: it's where the footage they own because they technically own
Speaker 2: it now because they're producing it, so they would have
Speaker 2: it somewhere. And the thing is, but they let movies
Speaker 2: slide like Caligula and some of these like films from
Speaker 2: the past that just like have like their you know,
Speaker 2: fucking the most inappropriate films, and and when it comes
Speaker 2: to cinema, it's just like sometimes you have to let
Speaker 2: those movies exist because it cinema picks at certain things
Speaker 2: in society and who we are in human nature, and
Speaker 2: the serial killers and and things like that are very real,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, I don't know what's strange. We live
Speaker 3: in a really strange time. And I feel like they
Speaker 3: not to get too off topic. I agree, the whole
Speaker 3: the whole pandemic thing and all has just kind of
Speaker 3: intensified all.
Speaker 2: Let wait, have you knowed that there's no good comedies anymore?
Speaker 2: Part of it is this fucking woke culture. Shit comedies
Speaker 2: suck now and have sucked for almost like ten years because.
Speaker 3: It's illegal to make a joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. If you make a joke or say
Speaker 2: your beliefs, you get jailed for it in some places,
Speaker 2: like we talked about you know, the Irish guy that
Speaker 2: got fucking jailed for not wanting to say somebody's pronouns.
Speaker 2: Like this idea of like people are people, Human beings
Speaker 2: are human beings, People go through all sorts of shit
Speaker 2: and experiences. Let them be people. But you can't censor
Speaker 2: people's opinions and thoughts. Or that's not a free society anymore,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to cinema. If there's an audience,
Speaker 2: let them have it, not everybody needs to watch it.
Speaker 2: Comedies specifically have bombed essentially because everyone's afraid, you know,
Speaker 2: so Seth Rogan really doesn't make too many films anymore.
Speaker 2: Like everyone's afraid to say something that's gonna offend somebody else,
Speaker 2: which is gonna get them on the radar, which gets
Speaker 2: them canceled. You know what I mean. We live in
Speaker 2: a sad time when it comes to cinema.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Like I.
Speaker 3: Bought a hat recently. It's just like a regular like
Speaker 3: dad has, and it has an embroidery of a pentagram
Speaker 3: and it's just says go to hell. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: bought it. I like the design yeah, like, but I
Speaker 3: bought it. I like the design. There's no real like
Speaker 3: I don't go out and stab babies and like rape women.
Speaker 3: But like the amount of people that like when I
Speaker 3: came back here, like I live in a quite conservative
Speaker 3: small town. The people they see like looking at that
Speaker 3: and being like, like, it's a fucking hasf.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm saying people need to calm down.
Speaker 2: We're like, uh during even the pandemic, right, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I wasn't wearing a mask. I was one of those people.
Speaker 2: I don't care what people think about that. But I
Speaker 2: was just someone that I was like, Hey, I've had
Speaker 2: enough of this at work for a bit. This is bullshit.
Speaker 2: Started to research it what is really going on? Follow
Speaker 2: the money, not the science, essentially, and people will look
Speaker 2: at me. I got called a scumbag for walking the
Speaker 2: wrong direction of the owl like the arrows in the
Speaker 2: fucking grocery store. And I now I and I don't care.
Speaker 2: I've like, I don't give a shit when people think
Speaker 2: about me. If you enjoy who I am, I appreciate you,
Speaker 2: and I'm here for love and to change the world
Speaker 2: in some form and talk about strange But I wear
Speaker 2: a fuck Trudeau shirt place as I go. I have
Speaker 2: a fuck the New World Order shirt where people give
Speaker 2: me weird looks, but essentially nobody says shit to me,
Speaker 2: because what are they gonna say. I'm like, you support
Speaker 2: fucking government's taken over your lives. Like nobody says that
Speaker 2: because at the deeper level, every normal thinking person to me,
Speaker 2: that understands psychology and your brain and just any someone
Speaker 2: that is kind of intellectual, understands there is something wrong
Speaker 2: with censoring somebody that just thinks outside of the box
Speaker 2: of what the government and society has structured for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's something that, uh, and I feel like
Speaker 3: maybe at some point we should do a maybe just
Speaker 3: an off the cover RAND episode about this maybe sometime.
Speaker 2: But you have to pay for that people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Patriot, It's something that like infuriates me to
Speaker 3: think about it. And I supposed to tie it back
Speaker 3: into this Weilery search in this movie. I did see it.
Speaker 3: It's it's a very it's a very divisive movie. Like
Speaker 3: there's a for as many people say, it's amazing, it's
Speaker 3: a great piece of art. It's a it's a fantastic
Speaker 3: piece of work. There's also on the other side, yeahs
Speaker 3: who are like, you know kind of and I don't
Speaker 3: mean just shipping on it from a critic point of view,
Speaker 3: like you know, a filmmaker point of view, but like
Speaker 3: a lot of people were bringing up the whole Satanic
Speaker 3: thing and the which thing and oh you know, they're
Speaker 3: like ejectifying women and they're doing this, and there's they're
Speaker 3: showing like stuff that doesn't need to be shown, and like.
Speaker 2: It's playing a time period of what it was, like
Speaker 2: like context about where we were as a side we were, like,
Speaker 2: especially when they're canceled certain people, let's cancel this Christmas
Speaker 2: song because it's about subduing a woman. Stuff like that,
Speaker 2: where it's like, get the context of the time error
Speaker 2: and where we were as a society. Okay, we're now
Speaker 2: within a short span of time time we've gone too
Speaker 2: woke where it's just like everything needs to be dissected.
Speaker 2: And the thing is everyone can say what they want
Speaker 2: when it comes to this subject, but not this one.
Speaker 2: And that's where we are a society. And with films
Speaker 2: like this that literally toyot those emotions and ideas of
Speaker 2: who we were as human beings at a certain time
Speaker 2: period and people are saying to cancel it or get
Speaker 2: rid of it, or don't show it. You will lose
Speaker 2: the value of life, in my opinion, in the sense
Speaker 2: of wonder. We will live in this autonomous existence where
Speaker 2: it's like nineteen eighty four, where it's like you're always
Speaker 2: being watched. You're you're supposed to be like China. People
Speaker 2: can say what they want, but China is I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to live there. Oh they eradicated poverty, sure, shut
Speaker 2: the fuck up. They lock people in their fucking houses
Speaker 2: for thinking that they're kind of sick. So that society
Speaker 2: you want to live in, That society where you get
Speaker 2: you can't go on the internet and search a certain
Speaker 2: thing because even if it's something might mundane is like
Speaker 2: how to change your mind or fix your depression or
Speaker 2: something like that, everything is censored, you know. And I'm
Speaker 2: sorry of that ramp, but like that's if we keep
Speaker 2: canceling things. Fucked, that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's fucked, and it'll remove, but it will remove everything,
Speaker 3: Like I won't get to be subjective in any form.
Speaker 3: Might it not be feeling music, whatever it might be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, if we go down that route, then we
Speaker 3: won't even get to have these.
Speaker 2: Conversations and we'll be listening to fucking house being constantly
Speaker 2: in a fucking club that just fucking like you ever
Speaker 2: played the game We Happy Few, It's a crazy game
Speaker 2: where they give you pills, these joy pills. Love that game.
Speaker 2: It's it's created by Canadians. It's and if you don't
Speaker 2: know what there is, look it up. But especially you
Speaker 2: have to take your pill. When you stop taking your pill,
Speaker 2: you start to see gloomy and you have like withdrawals
Speaker 2: of like this. They make you just believe in this
Speaker 2: fake world and everyone be happy and take your joy
Speaker 2: and take your pill. That's where society to me, is
Speaker 2: going if if people aren't careful and without people you
Speaker 2: could say, like Joe Rogan, even though I feel like
Speaker 2: there's times where I made a comment sign work, sometimes
Speaker 2: he's not the Joe that we need him to be
Speaker 2: with certain things. It's like, bro, you should be calling
Speaker 2: the fuck out of these people that you have on
Speaker 2: your show and it's content. Yeah, but you can't dance
Speaker 2: on that line. Everyone's rooting for these specific people in
Speaker 2: society to call out these things. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look what happened to again. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stop waffling there for people who were like, oh,
Speaker 3: you've finished talking about the movie. Yeah, but like, look
Speaker 3: what's happened to Andrew's head at the minute. I know
Speaker 3: they essentially just wiped him off the face of the art.
Speaker 3: He done a podcast recently. I haven't actually watched yet.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the guy's name, and you wouldn't know him.
Speaker 3: He's you see him from time to time popping up
Speaker 3: on TikTok and stuff. He has quite quite a popular podcast.
Speaker 3: He interviews all these like famous entrepreneurs and like, I
Speaker 3: guess forward tinkers and he had Andrew Taede on. He
Speaker 3: basically went he was like, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 3: the exact point I was making the entire time of
Speaker 3: my content. Look look what happened overnight. They wiped me
Speaker 3: off the face of social media. Every single app, every
Speaker 3: single platform got rid of me. And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I had to make a new account on Uber. In
Speaker 3: the UK, all the banks, TSB, Barclays, all them basically
Speaker 3: told me, no, you're going to have to move your
Speaker 3: money somewhere else. We don't want to be associated. We
Speaker 3: don't want anything to do with it. He's like, it's
Speaker 3: fucking wild. He was like, if I was a regular person,
Speaker 3: like a regular dude, my life is over. I might
Speaker 3: as well commit suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it is true in that way of that
Speaker 2: they're doing that, and that's what like and we're essentially
Speaker 2: for the people that you may disagree. We're just talking
Speaker 2: about a movie that pushed the boundaries of cinema and
Speaker 2: essentially that the way that society is going. You may
Speaker 2: I think Andrew Tate is playing a character, for sure,
Speaker 2: but he's rich. He does what he wants, and he
Speaker 2: supposed to be what I've looked into, accumulate that wealth
Speaker 2: essentially on his own and kind of just built up
Speaker 2: a brand and a business and then speaks about these
Speaker 2: things that I would say seventy percent of the world thinks.
Speaker 2: A majority of the world does agree with at least
Speaker 2: half the shit he says, even if he is playing
Speaker 2: a character. But with I love cinema, I love movies,
Speaker 2: and for them, I've seen fucked up movies that most
Speaker 2: people shouldn't say, like a cligula. I've seen that like
Speaker 2: twice in my life. And that's a fucking strange weird,
Speaker 2: fucked up movie. There's these things in cinema and are
Speaker 2: subconscious and that you have to just allow it to
Speaker 2: happen to me. And you know, because me and you
Speaker 2: are both horror fans. There is films out there that
Speaker 2: literally make you question your reality, how you feel about
Speaker 2: a certain thing, death, the mortality of living in this reality,
Speaker 2: you know, where you have to let those things in
Speaker 2: our exist. You have to or we don't. There's no
Speaker 2: point of living any more if you're doing an instructured,
Speaker 2: structured way where you have to follow all these guidelines
Speaker 2: because that's what every app does.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, one hundred percent, I guess then. So closing
Speaker 3: thoughts on this movie, you would recommend it like I
Speaker 3: I For anybody who hasn't seen it, I would one
Speaker 3: hundred percent recommend to see this movie at least once.
Speaker 3: But one thing I will say is make sure you
Speaker 3: do what I've done on Tom's recommendation. You can either
Speaker 3: take a shit to the mushrooms, or if you're not
Speaker 3: going to do that, make sure to put your phone
Speaker 3: in a different room, put your iPad away, don't do
Speaker 3: anything like that. Like genuinely listen to this sit down
Speaker 3: and just give it ninety minutes and actually take the
Speaker 3: movie in.
Speaker 2: Yes, because it's cinematic and it's an amazing film. And
Speaker 2: like I said, there's so many thoughts that may brought
Speaker 2: me to, you know, wanting to do this episode with
Speaker 2: you and throwing it in your ear that we should
Speaker 2: cover this is it genuinely as I was coming inside
Speaker 2: packing up everything. After I we watched it and then
Speaker 2: we put on a movie, but it more or less
Speaker 2: me and my fiance just talked. All I did was
Speaker 2: take an eight like a fucking pa to Gramma. Mushrooms
Speaker 2: had no visuals, but then I had a beer or two,
Speaker 2: but that it made me and I felt sober but
Speaker 2: kind of mushroom to mind if people understand what psychedelics do.
Speaker 2: Is I analyzed it differently, and we were talking about
Speaker 2: ghosts and all this stuff. It left me in this weird,
Speaker 2: haunting feeling. Afterwards, we're just even when we're talking clamp things.
Speaker 2: And later I was like, I'm still shook visibly to
Speaker 2: even to my girlfriend, I'm like, I can't stop analyzing
Speaker 2: the film, and specifically it's because of the way it
Speaker 2: ended too, with this idea that she just walks into
Speaker 2: the woods and there's a black sabbath going on, and
Speaker 2: then everyone and that feeling of her just laughing as
Speaker 2: she just levitates over this bonfire. And you know, back
Speaker 2: in the day, bonfire comes from bonefire, which is when
Speaker 2: they used to sacrifice people. So this idea of it's
Speaker 2: it freaked me out and I literally, like fucking like
Speaker 2: for the whole night thought about like I shouldn't have
Speaker 2: messed around with the weeds board when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: It left me with this feeling of like I don't
Speaker 2: need to mess with these dark arts anymore.
Speaker 3: It's really effective and I have to commend everybody involved
Speaker 3: with the movie, you know, from the actors to the director,
Speaker 3: to the writers to sound Everything was like there's very
Speaker 3: little like auld fault about the movie. I feel like
Speaker 3: everything slotted in exactly where it should have. And I
Speaker 3: definitely recommend it to everybody for a one even you
Speaker 3: know what, even even if you're not yeah, because I
Speaker 3: feel like, like what you said, it's not it's not
Speaker 3: something that you know, you can stick on every.
Speaker 2: Week like Creditary, I can't. I can watch five thirteenth
Speaker 2: every Halloween. I can watch it every other week if
Speaker 2: I really felt like it because it's it's to me
Speaker 2: those and I think you would agree that there's things
Speaker 2: like like Anymore and I'm stoot comfort films. They don't
Speaker 2: because I grew up watching them and it was something
Speaker 2: that was kind of taboo when I was younger. It's
Speaker 2: they comfort me that fun slasher film. There's films like this,
Speaker 2: The Witch and Hereditary that it's two times maybe three
Speaker 2: or four in your lifetime and that's about it.
Speaker 3: I'm good. Yeah, And it's something that I would recommend
Speaker 3: even if you're not a fan of of straight up
Speaker 3: horror movies. I would. I would try and give it
Speaker 3: the time because it's it's it's a great movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Cups of Michael Myers, Yeah, sorry for everybody is on
Speaker 3: the audio there. We're just like showing off cops. So
Speaker 3: I guess in closing, then where can people check you out,
Speaker 3: find you, support you? What have you got coming up?
Speaker 2: So we have lots of ideas and stuff to do
Speaker 2: on both of our shows. I believe a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff is coming, you know, and this is gonna be
Speaker 2: released before Halloween anyway, So like we have a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff coming up. Aaron, like everyone tune in, you
Speaker 2: can find us a Strange Brew TTV, on Twitch, Strange Podcast,
Speaker 2: on everything else like Facebook and YouTube. We're going live
Speaker 2: on October twenty eighth at six thirty Eastern time. You know,
Speaker 2: for people across the pond, it's gonna be later. But
Speaker 2: if you're staying up, you're drinking, you're coming down from
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you're doing. Throughout that Halloween weekend and
Speaker 2: that Friday, tune into the live. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. We're gonna show videos I think each
Speaker 2: have a scary story, and then we also have our
Speaker 2: Halloween special once you're doing all about the Ouiji board.
Speaker 2: But we have episodes coming with Aaron where we're gonna
Speaker 2: do a part two of a Sexual Specter episode. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff coming for Halloween. Because I
Speaker 2: fucking love this time. It gets my dick hard. As
Speaker 2: I said on the fucking Haunted episode, the stuff that like,
Speaker 2: it just gets me going, Like I just love talking
Speaker 2: about this stuff. I love Halloween in fall. I hate Winter,
Speaker 2: but I love the lead up to winter.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Likewise, and if I could, I would probably live
Speaker 3: in that season forever too, just like that like an
Speaker 3: eternal like lead up the Halloway.
Speaker 2: But like one.
Speaker 3: Yeah for me, you know what, I wouldn't actually even
Speaker 3: mind if the weather was just really nice, but it
Speaker 3: was just around that build up the Halloween. Yeah, for me,
Speaker 3: it's the usual class hardcast on any podcast platforms, classharar
Speaker 3: caast dot com, first class horror on all social media.
Speaker 3: I do actually have a new link. It'll be in
Speaker 3: the buy on any of my socials. For I think
Speaker 3: I'll speak so if anybody, if anybody, anybody wants to
Speaker 3: send in questions, comments, remarks, whatever you want to do,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna dedicate maybe an episode a month or something.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna do like audience clips and stuff like
Speaker 3: that and answer them or whatever. Yeah. Other than that,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff common. Like Tom said, I
Speaker 3: also have a lot of stuff on my side involving Tom.
Speaker 3: We're gonna shoot for a Halloween resurrect. I'm excited for that, actually, commentary,
Speaker 3: I can't wait for that. We have ninety Carnival of
Speaker 3: Souls and we have a rob Zombie.
Speaker 2: There's like so much multiple I saw that you were
Speaker 2: doing that fan thing of getting people to like I
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, and then like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's different where you have to do with a computers,
Speaker 2: like allow your settings because I was gonna send you
Speaker 2: a fucking message. Somebody said that we should do that. Well,
Speaker 2: like a play with the idea of being able to
Speaker 2: call a number and leave a voicemail. I would just
Speaker 2: like to see what happens, because I'm sure I would
Speaker 2: have a couple of people that'd be like you able
Speaker 2: this piece of trash, Like I just have people screaming
Speaker 2: at me from a phone, angry at my point of views.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure there are some fans that would love
Speaker 2: to just leave me weird shit to play on the show.
Speaker 2: And we've toyed with that too. It's just maybe even
Speaker 2: playing at the end of the episodes. If we ever
Speaker 2: established something like that, we can call in and we'll
Speaker 2: play your voicemails and maybe respond to them at the
Speaker 2: end of certain episodes.
Speaker 3: Because I think it's smart. I think that'd be really interesting.
Speaker 3: I could regret it, I don't know, but I guess
Speaker 3: we'll see. Yeah, I appreciate everyone. If you've got to
Speaker 3: the very end of this, we appreciate it. We've been
Speaker 3: kind of a little bit all over the place. I
Speaker 3: suppose the time.
Speaker 2: I started would get this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where we have a tendency to do that.
Speaker 3: And like I said, keep an eye out over the
Speaker 3: next couple of weeks, there's a lot of stuff coming
Speaker 3: and I'm assuming that, you know, even though it's coming
Speaker 3: in to build up a Halloween, We're probably gonna have
Speaker 3: even more stuff towards the tail end of the year
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: I'm sure too with the Christmas is so many movies
Speaker 2: we could talk about around Christmas too. I know Anton
Speaker 2: wants to do Christmas Horror Story with fucking William Shatner,
Speaker 2: so I know he wants to talk about that, and
Speaker 2: I was like, that could be all three of us
Speaker 2: for his show, because Anton's just trying to get a
Speaker 2: show off the ground. That's one of my co hosts.
Speaker 2: He doesn't think on House of Trash and he's just
Speaker 2: starting to get a show up. But talk about it
Speaker 2: senilely trashy and obscure movies and like specifically horror movies
Speaker 2: and stuff. So just obscure stuff, like the trashiest fucking
Speaker 2: weird like we did. Uh that was that. I was like,
Speaker 2: why can I think it's the movie where people drank
Speaker 2: alcohol and they fucking street trash. We did that because
Speaker 2: Antony told me to watch that movie. I was like,
Speaker 2: never seen it, and I was like, okay, like it's
Speaker 2: fucking weird. So we have their stuff like going on
Speaker 2: with that that will also involve Aaron, So we're super
Speaker 2: I'm fucking excited for a lot of the stuff we're
Speaker 2: gonna do going forward.
Speaker 3: I feel like I had a I had like a
Speaker 3: huge hiatus there for a while and I just I
Speaker 3: don't know, not that I lost the passion or anything
Speaker 3: like that, but I was like, I just I don't
Speaker 3: I don't know which direction to go in. There's like
Speaker 3: so many different things and places and you know, things
Speaker 3: I want to try and do. When I was like no,
Speaker 3: now I feel like reinvigorated, refreshed and just ready to
Speaker 3: to kind of get cracking again as always. It's been
Speaker 3: it's been a pleasure being able to do this with you,
Speaker 3: and I feel like you're one of driving forces maybe
Speaker 3: and get me back on the horse, and.
Speaker 2: I like that because you also drive me. And I
Speaker 2: think that we've realized that with our connection is that
Speaker 2: it's nice that I find that we think very similar
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways where I have because of
Speaker 2: the what we do at strange brew We're able to
Speaker 2: dive into weird folklore, everything, strange real stories. But and
Speaker 2: on your show, we're able to dive into something I've
Speaker 2: always loved, which I've toyed with, is doing talking about
Speaker 2: more horror movie aspects of things. So we kind of
Speaker 2: get best of both worlds with most of our shows.
Speaker 2: Because I love horror, there's and I will never run
Speaker 2: out of probably ideas on watch I'm like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: want to fucking do this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is good, which helps me because I'm quite
Speaker 3: I can be like really and decisive with things. I'll
Speaker 3: be like should I shouldn't I maybe no, that's probably
Speaker 3: a shit idea, Like when I when I tossed out
Speaker 3: the idea of Halloween Resurrection, I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 3: know he's gonna be like, what the fuck do you
Speaker 3: want to do that?
Speaker 2: I think it's worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I even if you didn't, I was like,
Speaker 3: because I was like, okay, if he if he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to do a Halloween restrection, I was like, could
Speaker 3: I pull off an entire commentary solo? And I was like,
Speaker 3: oh God, that's gonna be to Oh.
Speaker 2: I've tried to debate on doing episodes through the Patreon
Speaker 2: hight I just talk with Tom talks or something like that,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know if someone wants to
Speaker 2: listen to me talk for an hour and a half
Speaker 2: about by stupid ass thoughts that I have every waking
Speaker 2: day of my life. And that's why I think it's
Speaker 2: we have a lot of stuff in the works. I
Speaker 2: like that, like these ideas that we're toying with. It
Speaker 2: was funny when we were talking again about Rob Zombie.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, yeah, Like I'll let's get into
Speaker 2: that stuff because there's also leading up to the stuff
Speaker 2: that he's working on now too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of a lot of exciting stuff. And
Speaker 3: and I love him again for similar reasons to what
Speaker 3: we talked about our year.
Speaker 2: I do feel like we're just going to talk for
Speaker 2: another hour for everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just one of those filmmakers that h has
Speaker 3: always been himself no matter what he's done. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: always kind of stay true to himself, which I love.
Speaker 2: He's like doing what he wants to do, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I have to appreciate that because that's the
Speaker 3: kind of the life I would like to take you.
Speaker 2: Even my music I'm like, I still create my hip
Speaker 2: hop songs. I still rap, but I still write music.
Speaker 2: You know, a couple hundred people may see it on YouTube. Essentially,
Speaker 2: I don't do it for anyone else but myself and
Speaker 2: my own weird therapeutic shit. And to me, that's how
Speaker 2: Rob Zombie feels and the way he does his stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like, I just want to do this because it's
Speaker 2: my thing.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm gonna attempt to bring this too calls
Speaker 3: because I can't shot my mouth either.
Speaker 2: I was like, I could do this for our fucking hours.
Speaker 2: She was like, like, what about which is canals we
Speaker 2: get into?
Speaker 3: It's like I said, it's been a pleasures always. It's
Speaker 3: been fun. I hope everybody listen and enjoyed. If he
Speaker 3: did make it to the end, you're now a hero.
Speaker 3: He made it true our babbling for the last two
Speaker 3: hours and fifteen minutes. And yeah, just keep an eye
Speaker 3: out on both of our socials. A lot of stuff
Speaker 3: coming over the next couple of months, and yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: see everybody.
Speaker 2: So South fuckers, peace, stay strange.
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