WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:10.880 Hello Andrew, Welcome to Reality TV Cringe as we are 2 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:17.120 here to talk sister was honey. We are launching ourselves 3 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.800 straight into season ten and what a hard launch for 4 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:25.320 the Catfish. It was. Yeah. Now, before we get into it, 5 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:27.879 we do you have to warn you to please how'd 6 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:28.320 your wife? 7 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.320 If you're hat those little kids. 8 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:36.000 At home in the closet, this isn't irreverent podcast. We're stupid. Yeah, 9 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.880 we say dumb things, we use swear words and everything, 10 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:41.240 and so if. 11 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.159 You're a sensity, the same for you. 12 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:48.320 You might want to find yourself another dumpster. But if 13 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:51.240 you're ready to bring doctor Nancy into the dumpster so 14 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.840 we can listen to Mary l about the Catfish, then 15 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:57.799 welcome to this dumpster. 16 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:00.479 And if you like what we do over here, please 17 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.479 be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality tv 18 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.599 Grunch and join us on Patreon, Patreon, dot com, sash 19 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:08.799 reality tv Grunch just where you get access to all 20 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.159 of our bonus content, all of our weekly episodes add 21 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.359 free and it's just the best way to support us. 22 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.519 It really is. Now. If you are watching on YouTube, 23 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:21.120 please do not forget to like and comment and share 24 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:25.519 on subscribe and also get up off your booties and 25 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.359 give your girls a high. Please get in the pit 26 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.400 and try to love someone. Every single thing you do 27 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:34.799 helps us in the algo allegedly, and so thank you. 28 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.400 In he thinks. 29 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.519 Now, I do have to say that I was noticing 30 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:43.719 that our last Sister Wives video was hyped up. Yeah, 31 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:46.159 we have like one hundred and eighty five thousand hype points. 32 00:01:46.200 --> 00:01:49.239 Oh my gosh, we've got a little bit of a 33 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.640 raccoon army out there that's willing to do the tough things. 34 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:55.319 We appreciate that so much. 35 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:58.239 I was really happy. So thank you, guys. Thanks. Now, 36 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.280 before we get into it, I just I do have 37 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:04.599 to ask you, Beatrice, whether you had any thoughts or 38 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:08.199 any feelings after watching this episode. 39 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:09.639 I had a lot of thoughts and I had a 40 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:12.719 lot of feelings tell us about But we'll get to 41 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:15.719 the catfish part later. My takeaway is going to be good. 42 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:19.599 It's gonna be angelic this week. Little baby Soul and 43 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:21.080 Truly are so cute. 44 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:22.879 Oh god, Truly is so annoying. 45 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:25.639 She's adorable. She's only four. 46 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.759 Oh no, you are not. She's not a door. She's 47 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.919 she's always putting her hands on him and screaming in 48 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:33.560 his face. 49 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:34.520 She's a little kid. 50 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:40.400 She's annoying. She's sorry, I'm just kissed annoying to me. 51 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:45.039 I thought they were okay. I have a takeaway, and 52 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.639 I just want to say that I was filled with 53 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:55.560 rage flames the side of my face because the audacity 54 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.719 of the Browns, and in particular Mary and these lying 55 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.479 who lie. All they do is lie. I had to 56 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.680 stop the episode midwatch and like go on Google and 57 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.879 through the archives, and I thought to myself, hey, I 58 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:18.159 think there are some actual recordings out there of Mary 59 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:23.199 and her various and sundry conversations with the catfish Sam. 60 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.919 And sure enough there were Reddit posts. And then you 61 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.159 sent me a link to the actual recordings of Mary 62 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:34.719 leaving messages for Sam slash Jackie, in which she is 63 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.360 completely in love with Sam. She is talking about how 64 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.759 handsome he is and how passionate they are together, and 65 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.039 how much she's so much more handsome than Cody. And 66 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:47.520 so then after I listened to the messages, I turned 67 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:50.439 the episode back on and I watched the scene where 68 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.000 they're having a family meeting and she's making herself out 69 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:54.479 to be a victim and look, we're going to talk 70 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.080 about it at the time, but like you, I know, 71 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:01.680 they lie so much, they're so dis they can't tell 72 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.919 the truth for anything, and it was really pressing me off. 73 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.560 Yeah, I was getting pissed off, specifically when Nancy came 74 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.680 into the picture and we're having this family discussion about 75 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.159 it and Mary's just like crying and talking about how she's. 76 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:19.160 Been a bull I was targeted. They sought me out. 77 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:20.639 Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that. 78 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.000 They're verbally abusing me, and they're bugging my house and 79 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.519 stuff like that. The only way Jackie could have bugged 80 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.240 your house is if you invited her into your house. Yeah, right, 81 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.439 so why are you inviting these people into your house? 82 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:39.199 But like, nobody's asking these really fundamental, easy questions. The 83 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:44.040 only person who was dubious and not buying Mary's bullshit 84 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.759 was Cody. Yeah, which was interesting is Cody, And I'm like, 85 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.360 come on, Cody. And actually Robin was the one who 86 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:54.279 called it an affair and at the end of the episode, 87 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.439 and I know I'm skipping ahead, but I was so triggered. 88 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.439 At the end of the episode, Mary's like all they 89 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.199 can say is like, I'm here, I didn't have an affair, 90 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:03.959 and I'm strong, like. 91 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:06.639 When in the voicemail, She's literally like, I love you. 92 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:07.199 I love you. 93 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:09.319 So I love you, I love you, I love you, 94 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:13.319 I fucking love you. I'm like, Mary, you absolutely had 95 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:14.439 an emotional affair. 96 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.720 Yeah, just call it what it is. 97 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.240 Robin did. I wonder what she thought when she saw 98 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.920 that back, because that was an interstitial that Robin gave. 99 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:22.399 Yeah. 100 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.680 Anyway, so I'm jumping ahead. I was just angry and 101 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:28.439 I'm putting it out there without further ado. Let's get 102 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:34.120 into our recap of Sister Wives Season ten, episode one, 103 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.519 and Tato Tote. 104 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:41.920 Catfishing Fallout dun And this was a really long episode 105 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:43.879 and it was filled with a lot of like filler 106 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.800 at the beginning, Like we'll kind of skim through some 107 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:47.680 of it because it. 108 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:48.920 Was quite frankly Boro. 109 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.120 Yes, but we have a few things going on. We 110 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.720 obviously have the aftermath of the catfish because at the time, 111 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.040 after especially after like the tell all and everything this 112 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.279 was in the new was in the tabloids. I'm sure 113 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.439 Mary's photos got leaked. I'm sure the voicemails and stuff 114 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:07.240 got leaked at the same time. So like a lot 115 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.639 of it was coming out, they obviously had to do 116 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.000 some damage control, So we kind of talk about it 117 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.439 at the beginning of the episode a little bit about 118 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:19.000 how Mary you know, wanted to tell the family in Alaska, 119 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.759 but then decided halfway through telling them that it wasn't 120 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.519 the good, the best time to tell them, so she 121 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.240 gave him like a half baked, you know, confession, and 122 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:31.279 then after they filmed, then she told the family privately. 123 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.120 They were all shocked about it, but you know, we'll 124 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.720 talk about that later. Right now, we got to focus 125 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:41.199 on the fact that Maddie is moving out. She is 126 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.399 getting a rental up in Montana, which is where Caleb 127 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:47.439 is at at the time. He's working there, and she 128 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:50.560 wants everybody to know she's not moving in with Caleb. Sure, 129 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.720 jam but she totally is absolutely moving in with him, 130 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.879 and she ultimately gets engaged. In this episode, we get 131 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:01.199 the announcement of her getting engaged, and it's sweet and 132 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.240 they're in love and like whatever, but she's like ready 133 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.079 to leave. Oh yes, like coming home for like a 134 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:10.040 week and then packs up all her shit and she's like, 135 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.600 I'm ready to bout bye. 136 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.959 Well, I thought that it was interesting that her best 137 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.879 friend and I'm skipping ahead a little bit because they 138 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.079 go out to dinner with her best friend Desi, and 139 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.279 Cody of course has to insinuate himself into the dinner 140 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:27.800 because it was a dinner for Desi to actually meet 141 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.959 me Caleb. But Cody's there, Christine's there, and Janelle's there, 142 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.160 and anyway, Desi says at some point something like, well, yeah, 143 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.399 she's been talking about you for three years. Three years, 144 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.360 three years, so I think right here, Maddie is nineteen 145 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.000 years old. Yeah, she's only been to college for one year, 146 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.439 so she's dropping out of college, I do believe, because 147 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.759 she was going to college in Utah. Now she's moving 148 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.199 up to Billings, Montana. She's been talking to him for 149 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.040 three years, so since she's sixteen years old, according to Desi, 150 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:02.319 and that's when Caleb was twenty six or twenty seven. 151 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:06.360 So I know Caleb's great. I know they're happy. In 152 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:08.720 the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six, more power 153 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.839 to them. They got four kids and everything. But you 154 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.639 can't tell me that's not weird. You can't tell me 155 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.199 that's not grooming or something. If he was talking to 156 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:19.160 her for three years. And then they kind of talk 157 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.360 about how they had spent a night when they first 158 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.879 met up on a mountain with the four wheeler talking 159 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.240 and so was Mattie sixteen years old when that happened. 160 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.960 Was Caleb twenty six? I don't know. It's just gross. 161 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:36.720 Well, and did you notice that when Desi brought that up, 162 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.519 like she's been talking about him for three years, Maddie's like, no, no, no, 163 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.519 it was like two years. So if she is nineteen 164 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.279 at the time of this recording, that would put her 165 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:47.039 at seventeen talking about him. So she's like trying to 166 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.440 skirt it a little bit. Yes, And it's like, okay, 167 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:53.200 let's just call it as it is. It's weird to me. 168 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:57.000 And it's also crazy that the family is like so 169 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.639 gung ho and so supportive about it, like they're not 170 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:02.600 even and I because they like Caleb. They think that 171 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:03.320 he's a good guy. 172 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.559 It's also part of their culture to marry children. Totally, 173 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:10.600 so totally. I mean, I know they deny this, but 174 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:15.200 I'm talking about like Mormonism and fundamentalist Mormonism, and they 175 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.600 are fundamentalist Mormons. It is part of their culture to 176 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.720 exploit children. Well in this way. 177 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.639 I was also thinking about Michelty and Tony because I 178 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.200 know that with Mannye and Caleb. They want to get 179 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.080 married right away. They get engaged and they want to 180 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.559 get married less than a year out in June or whatever. 181 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.960 I know that Tony and McKelty start having a relationship 182 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.600 pretty quickly right around this time, and then McKelty also 183 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:43.879 wants to get married pretty close to Madison because she's 184 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.120 kind of competing with her and she wants the attention 185 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:51.679 or whatever. But I remember the episodes where mckelti's introducing 186 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:55.080 Tony and her relationship with him, and everybody's like, not supportive. 187 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.320 They don't like Tony, right, And I just think that's 188 00:09:57.399 --> 00:10:00.200 kind of fucked up. Like, so we're really happy that 189 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.200 Madison's dating a thirty year old dude and like he 190 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.559 probably groomed her allegedly or whatever. But when we have 191 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.799 Tony and michelt then it's like, you guys are too young. 192 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:14.600 I remember Christine's like, you're too young, you're rushing it, 193 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:16.240 you don't know if you like him or whatever, And 194 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:17.679 I just think that that's so lame. 195 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.960 Well yup, and we have to ask ourselves the question, 196 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:26.039 is it because McKelty is the black sheep and maybe 197 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.960 she's a bit more childlike and is this an actual 198 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.559 protective instinct for Christine and Cody or is it because 199 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.600 they're racist maybe, or is it because, like a lot 200 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.919 of us, when we first met Tony, we did not 201 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:44.639 like him because he was strange. Look sure, she's very strange, 202 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.399 look yes, but he was also very tat told too 203 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.759 money and this and that. This is why we call 204 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.159 him too many tacos Tony, because he's asking for a 205 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.759 lot and not giving much in return. So we were 206 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.039 put off by him. But when you do compare it 207 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.399 to Caleb and Maddie, it seems quite unfair. 208 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.720 And it's like you cannot like your kid's significant other 209 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.600 or like not prefer them or whatever. And I get 210 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:10.960 that that's fine, but it's the fact that they just 211 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.559 like weren't even supportive of the relationship in general that 212 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.840 I'm just like, okay, but we're fine with nineteen year 213 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.039 old Mattie right marrying a thirty year old Okay, whatever, 214 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.879 because they're in love, and because more importantly, Cody loves Caleb, 215 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.279 and like that's a theme for the first half of 216 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:31.440 this episode, is like Cody obsessed with Caleb, Like Maddie 217 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:33.840 comes home to visit and also pack up all our 218 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:36.480 shit so she can move to Montana, and then Caleb 219 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.519 joins with his big old truck, and Cody's like, man, 220 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.840 I love your big old truck, and like, can I 221 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:43.799 drive up in the truck with you and hang out 222 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.200 with you on the drive. I know that you want 223 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.360 to like be with my daughter like any normal boyfriend, 224 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.360 but you know, can I drive in the truck with 225 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:53.159 you and talk with you and have some man time? 226 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:54.480 And like everybody in. 227 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:57.080 The family is talking about how obsessed Cody is with 228 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.919 Caleb and how they think that maybe Caleb's just being 229 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:03.519 nice to him and probably doesn't like him. It's just 230 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.759 weird to me me too, the blanket support and everything. 231 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.399 But I also thought it was interesting how like Cody 232 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.159 was kind of sentimental, like really sentimental with Maddie in particular, 233 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.679 and how Christine made a comment about how Maddie had 234 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:23.279 always been a daddy's girl and you know, Cody was 235 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:25.879 her rock and now he flashed forward to twenty twenty 236 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:28.799 six and she's like no contact with him and calling 237 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.519 him a narcissist and that sucks, man, It's really shitty. 238 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.440 But I liked some of the moments with Cody just 239 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.279 being really sweet with Madison and how he wants to 240 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.240 be involved in like the wedding venue process and like 241 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.759 planning her wedding, and when she's moving out, Robin wants 242 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:49.519 to give her her broken down, krusty ass old couch, 243 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.360 and Cody wants to fix it for Maddie right away 244 00:12:53.600 --> 00:12:55.879 before they pack it up because he doesn't want to 245 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:57.320 send her home with a shitty couch. 246 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:01.960 It feels genuine, right, Yeah, like a dad, which is 247 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.840 so strange. It's super Usually it's all for the cameras 248 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:06.440 and maybe there's some of that as well, but he 249 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.960 does seem to have a particular affection for Maddie. 250 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:11.840 Yeah, it's interesting. 251 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.759 It's sad how it's devolved to the point where he's 252 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.519 no contact with her and no contact with the majority 253 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:21.960 of his og children. But like, I don't know, looking 254 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:23.840 back on it, I know we hate Cody, I know 255 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.279 he's a monster or whatever, but there's like these little 256 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.399 glimmers where I'm like, well, he did love his kids 257 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.720 at one point, yes, you know, And so that's kind 258 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.000 of the first portion of the episode is Maddie moving 259 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.159 out and she's in love with Caleb or whatever, and 260 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.919 then you know, Robin's big and pregnant and she's getting 261 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.759 an ultrasound to make sure her baby's in the right position. 262 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:45.120 Did you see her stretch marks? 263 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:45.360 Yeah? 264 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.200 I'm just going to point it out every time it 265 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:51.679 comes up, because Robin made that iconic statement about how 266 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.159 Cody was such a good man because he loved the 267 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:57.320 OG three even though they were out of shape and 268 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:00.440 had stretch marks. But you know, when she lifts her 269 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.759 shirt and we do the ultrasound, we see a bunch 270 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:03.840 of stretch marks there. 271 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:04.480 Yeah. 272 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:06.919 Yeah, like we're gonna body shame the other women, right, 273 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.480 But you have stretch marks too, And Cody doesn't care 274 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:14.080 no obviously, But she's checking out on her baby, and 275 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.759 she's like moving stuff around at her house that way 276 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:22.120 some baby can share rooms. And it's just like every 277 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.240 time there's a segment that's like focused on Robin, I 278 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:26.159 just don't give a shit. 279 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:28.080 I go, I go somewhere else. 280 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:32.440 Dimensionally, it's like I can't feel anything for her other 281 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:33.080 than hatred. 282 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.960 Yeah, there were moments in this episode where I wondered 283 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.240 as well whether she was being genuine, particularly with her 284 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:43.559 support for Mary. Uh huh. So, I mean I think 285 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.000 she's still somewhat human in these earlier seasons, but she's 286 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:50.639 definitely tipping over into gargoyle. 287 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.879 Litt Yeah, and like, you know, we've talked at length 288 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.639 about the theory of like was Robin planning from the 289 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.080 very beginning? Did she start planning after the legal divorce? 290 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:06.279 Like when did her devilishness take over? And I don't 291 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:09.360 know if you support the idea that maybe Robin wasn't 292 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.399 evil from the very beginning. I could see how watching 293 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.720 this back, maybe this was like the point with the catfishing, 294 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:20.879 where like Robin started to crystallize into her demonic form 295 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:25.200 because she realized, like, oh, everybody here's fucked up. Let 296 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.480 me manipulate the situation even more to make sure I 297 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:32.080 secure my empire and secure my dragon hoard, and I 298 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.279 can live. I can live my life with my knee in, 299 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.840 you know, Because there were some moments too that I 300 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.480 was thinking, hmm, maybe you are a little human, I 301 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:45.720 don't know, yeah, or maybe this is just pregnancy Robin hormonal, Yeah. 302 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:48.440 Right, can't help but have a little empathy. I'm not sure. 303 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.080 And that's the sad part is that we can't be 304 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.840 sure we really based on what we've seen in later seasons, 305 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:53.879 she's so terrible. 306 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.039 She is really really awful and so fake, Like. 307 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.879 How do you get that terrible? If that wasn't inside 308 00:15:58.919 --> 00:15:59.879 you all the whole time? 309 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:00.279 Yeah? 310 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:00.799 Exactly? 311 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.200 Was there anything else at the beginning of this episode 312 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.279 before we get to the catfish conversation, I mean. 313 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:09.679 We did travel up to Billings. We moved Maddie into 314 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:13.440 her very small home. It was very cute. As soon 315 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:16.080 as I saw it, I'm like, Caleb's going to live 316 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:19.159 there with you? Totally. I think y'all are banging. 317 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.039 I was gonna ask about that because I'm like, yeah, 318 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.480 y'all are fuck I think so. 319 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:26.679 I mean, if he's twenty six and talking to a 320 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.120 sixteen year old, you have to ask yourself why, what's 321 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.080 the impulse and the instinct. It's probably sexual in nature. 322 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.720 I would not be a bit surprised. I would imagine 323 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:37.120 that they're boinkin' for surely. 324 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.840 Yeah, But Maddie wants us to know that she's not 325 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.600 moving in with Caleb. He's got his own place down 326 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:43.799 the street or something. 327 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.080 Right, because a producer actually asks her directly, like is 328 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.519 Caleb going to live with you? And she kind of smiles, 329 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.720 She's like, oh no, no, no, not all he is. Yeah, 330 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:57.600 they're having sex totally. They're fucking hardcore. I can't blame him. 331 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.440 I mean, oh, I mean he's old. But like when 332 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.720 I was young and married when I was eighteen, your 333 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.079 horny is when I was dating him before. I was 334 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.000 just returned from Fiji on a mission, not a Mormon 335 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:08.759 mission but an Evangelical mission and. 336 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:10.759 Man making out everybody, that's right. 337 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.400 Met my husband, my first husband, I was eighteen years 338 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:16.119 old and we lived together first. 339 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.680 And did you have sex before marriage like a heathen? 340 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:28.160 I sure did a lot. I was my Samoan husband. Honey. Yeah, 341 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:29.920 it's a long story. 342 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:34.079 I don't think we've told them this story. We won't 343 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:34.920 probably not. 344 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.160 We could, but I mean not now. Maybe at some 345 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:40.200 point maybe on Patreon. Yeah, they did have a first 346 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.039 husband that I married at a very young age, and 347 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.640 he was a Samoan man. Yeah, the Rock. 348 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:46.000 I had a lot of firsts with him. 349 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.599 I did he did anyway? 350 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:54.240 Anyway, the Catfish. So back in Vegas, Yes, after. 351 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.559 We've moved Maddie into her house with her living boyfriend 352 00:17:57.640 --> 00:17:58.079 to a. 353 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.200 Fan who's grown a doll, a grown thirty year old man, right. 354 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:08.440 We returned back home and we congregate at Mary's sad, 355 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:13.359 dour house with her ugly furniture terrible, and all of 356 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.279 the family, like all of the adults come over along 357 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.000 with Nancy the. 358 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.920 Therapist to have a very in depth discussion. 359 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:23.599 What good is she? I mean, I know we're about 360 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:26.200 to get into the scene, but like, what does she contribute? 361 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.000 She's a horrible She just taking fucking notes, that's all 362 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.000 she's doing. She's terrible. 363 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:32.119 And she sat down. 364 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:36.119 I literally laughed out loud because she's like, so tell me, 365 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:39.960 I don't tell me about the catfish Mary. And then 366 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.359 it's just like a conversation between the five adults and 367 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:43.640 she's just sitting there observing. 368 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:45.359 Yeah, Like you're no doctor. 369 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.240 Orna, no, and we're not trying to get into the 370 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.559 truth of what actually happens so that we can heal 371 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.000 this family. You're just a production plant helping them to 372 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.920 whitewash this entire situation and continue to lie. Great job, 373 00:18:58.039 --> 00:18:59.119 Nancy the therapist. 374 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.480 She doesn't do anything therapeutic at all, Like she doesn't 375 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:07.640 challenge anybody, She doesn't ask anybody to like reevaluate their 376 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:09.519 perspective on it. Like she just sits there and is 377 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:10.759 like validating everybody. 378 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.720 Yeah, how were you not challenging Mary in this moment. 379 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:16.079 It's maybe it's something you would do in individual therapy, 380 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:19.160 but y'all chose to sit down, the five of you 381 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:20.960 in front of Nancy, and you're just going to let 382 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.480 Mary lie anyway, I'm jumping ahead, go on, girl. 383 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:28.839 Well, we start off with Mary again talking about how 384 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.680 she had planned to tell the family about what was 385 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:35.240 happening in Alaska, and then when she had sat down 386 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.119 at the dinner table or whatever at that restaurant, she 387 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.000 started talking to them and then realized that it wasn't 388 00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:45.480 the best time to ruin this beautiful vacation by talking 389 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.200 about her online affair, and so she kind of skirted 390 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:54.200 around it, didn't tell them until after everybody was super shocked, 391 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:57.359 and Mary to the camera says, there were a lot 392 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.680 of details that I revealed to the family that were very, 393 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.079 very shocking to them, and I know that there's a 394 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:03.920 lot of her feelings. 395 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:05.119 So we got to talk about it. 396 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:10.519 And like again, the way that we introduce it with 397 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.640 Nancy there is victimizing Mary about how she was taken 398 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:17.759 advantage of. We hear from Robin on the Couch a 399 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.559 lot a lot actually with her commentary about how they 400 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:26.440 were all very hurt and betray you and felt like 401 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.319