Speaker 1: Hello Andrew, Welcome to Reality TV Cringe as we are
Speaker 1: here to talk sister was honey. We are launching ourselves
Speaker 1: straight into season ten and what a hard launch for
Speaker 1: the Catfish. It was. Yeah. Now, before we get into it,
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Speaker 1: your wife?
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Speaker 1: Now, I do have to say that I was noticing
Speaker 1: that our last Sister Wives video was hyped up. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: before we get into it, I just I do have
Speaker 1: to ask you, Beatrice, whether you had any thoughts or
Speaker 1: any feelings after watching this episode.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of thoughts and I had a
Speaker 3: lot of feelings tell us about But we'll get to
Speaker 3: the catfish part later. My takeaway is going to be good.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be angelic this week. Little baby Soul and
Speaker 3: Truly are so cute.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Truly is so annoying.
Speaker 2: She's adorable. She's only four.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you are not. She's not a door. She's
Speaker 1: she's always putting her hands on him and screaming in
Speaker 1: his face.
Speaker 2: She's a little kid.
Speaker 1: She's annoying. She's sorry, I'm just kissed annoying to me.
Speaker 1: I thought they were okay. I have a takeaway, and
Speaker 1: I just want to say that I was filled with
Speaker 1: rage flames the side of my face because the audacity
Speaker 1: of the Browns, and in particular Mary and these lying
Speaker 1: who lie. All they do is lie. I had to
Speaker 1: stop the episode midwatch and like go on Google and
Speaker 1: through the archives, and I thought to myself, hey, I
Speaker 1: think there are some actual recordings out there of Mary
Speaker 1: and her various and sundry conversations with the catfish Sam.
Speaker 1: And sure enough there were Reddit posts. And then you
Speaker 1: sent me a link to the actual recordings of Mary
Speaker 1: leaving messages for Sam slash Jackie, in which she is
Speaker 1: completely in love with Sam. She is talking about how
Speaker 1: handsome he is and how passionate they are together, and
Speaker 1: how much she's so much more handsome than Cody. And
Speaker 1: so then after I listened to the messages, I turned
Speaker 1: the episode back on and I watched the scene where
Speaker 1: they're having a family meeting and she's making herself out
Speaker 1: to be a victim and look, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about it at the time, but like you, I know,
Speaker 1: they lie so much, they're so dis they can't tell
Speaker 1: the truth for anything, and it was really pressing me off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was getting pissed off, specifically when Nancy came
Speaker 3: into the picture and we're having this family discussion about
Speaker 3: it and Mary's just like crying and talking about how she's.
Speaker 1: Been a bull I was targeted. They sought me out.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that.
Speaker 1: They're verbally abusing me, and they're bugging my house and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. The only way Jackie could have bugged
Speaker 1: your house is if you invited her into your house. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so why are you inviting these people into your house?
Speaker 1: But like, nobody's asking these really fundamental, easy questions. The
Speaker 1: only person who was dubious and not buying Mary's bullshit
Speaker 1: was Cody. Yeah, which was interesting is Cody, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, Cody. And actually Robin was the one who
Speaker 1: called it an affair and at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm skipping ahead, but I was so triggered.
Speaker 1: At the end of the episode, Mary's like all they
Speaker 1: can say is like, I'm here, I didn't have an affair,
Speaker 1: and I'm strong, like.
Speaker 3: When in the voicemail, She's literally like, I love you.
Speaker 3: I love you.
Speaker 1: So I love you, I love you, I love you,
Speaker 1: I fucking love you. I'm like, Mary, you absolutely had
Speaker 1: an emotional affair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just call it what it is.
Speaker 1: Robin did. I wonder what she thought when she saw
Speaker 1: that back, because that was an interstitial that Robin gave.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so I'm jumping ahead. I was just angry and
Speaker 1: I'm putting it out there without further ado. Let's get
Speaker 1: into our recap of Sister Wives Season ten, episode one,
Speaker 1: and Tato Tote.
Speaker 3: Catfishing Fallout dun And this was a really long episode
Speaker 3: and it was filled with a lot of like filler
Speaker 3: at the beginning, Like we'll kind of skim through some
Speaker 3: of it because it.
Speaker 1: Was quite frankly Boro.
Speaker 3: Yes, but we have a few things going on. We
Speaker 3: obviously have the aftermath of the catfish because at the time,
Speaker 3: after especially after like the tell all and everything this
Speaker 3: was in the new was in the tabloids. I'm sure
Speaker 3: Mary's photos got leaked. I'm sure the voicemails and stuff
Speaker 3: got leaked at the same time. So like a lot
Speaker 3: of it was coming out, they obviously had to do
Speaker 3: some damage control, So we kind of talk about it
Speaker 3: at the beginning of the episode a little bit about
Speaker 3: how Mary you know, wanted to tell the family in Alaska,
Speaker 3: but then decided halfway through telling them that it wasn't
Speaker 3: the good, the best time to tell them, so she
Speaker 3: gave him like a half baked, you know, confession, and
Speaker 3: then after they filmed, then she told the family privately.
Speaker 3: They were all shocked about it, but you know, we'll
Speaker 3: talk about that later. Right now, we got to focus
Speaker 3: on the fact that Maddie is moving out. She is
Speaker 3: getting a rental up in Montana, which is where Caleb
Speaker 3: is at at the time. He's working there, and she
Speaker 3: wants everybody to know she's not moving in with Caleb. Sure,
Speaker 3: jam but she totally is absolutely moving in with him,
Speaker 3: and she ultimately gets engaged. In this episode, we get
Speaker 3: the announcement of her getting engaged, and it's sweet and
Speaker 3: they're in love and like whatever, but she's like ready
Speaker 3: to leave. Oh yes, like coming home for like a
Speaker 3: week and then packs up all her shit and she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm ready to bout bye.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought that it was interesting that her best
Speaker 1: friend and I'm skipping ahead a little bit because they
Speaker 1: go out to dinner with her best friend Desi, and
Speaker 1: Cody of course has to insinuate himself into the dinner
Speaker 1: because it was a dinner for Desi to actually meet
Speaker 1: me Caleb. But Cody's there, Christine's there, and Janelle's there,
Speaker 1: and anyway, Desi says at some point something like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's been talking about you for three years. Three years,
Speaker 1: three years, so I think right here, Maddie is nineteen
Speaker 1: years old. Yeah, she's only been to college for one year,
Speaker 1: so she's dropping out of college, I do believe, because
Speaker 1: she was going to college in Utah. Now she's moving
Speaker 1: up to Billings, Montana. She's been talking to him for
Speaker 1: three years, so since she's sixteen years old, according to Desi,
Speaker 1: and that's when Caleb was twenty six or twenty seven.
Speaker 1: So I know Caleb's great. I know they're happy. In
Speaker 1: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six, more power
Speaker 1: to them. They got four kids and everything. But you
Speaker 1: can't tell me that's not weird. You can't tell me
Speaker 1: that's not grooming or something. If he was talking to
Speaker 1: her for three years. And then they kind of talk
Speaker 1: about how they had spent a night when they first
Speaker 1: met up on a mountain with the four wheeler talking
Speaker 1: and so was Mattie sixteen years old when that happened.
Speaker 1: Was Caleb twenty six? I don't know. It's just gross.
Speaker 3: Well, and did you notice that when Desi brought that up,
Speaker 3: like she's been talking about him for three years, Maddie's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it was like two years. So if she is nineteen
Speaker 3: at the time of this recording, that would put her
Speaker 3: at seventeen talking about him. So she's like trying to
Speaker 3: skirt it a little bit. Yes, And it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: let's just call it as it is. It's weird to me.
Speaker 3: And it's also crazy that the family is like so
Speaker 3: gung ho and so supportive about it, like they're not
Speaker 3: even and I because they like Caleb. They think that
Speaker 3: he's a good guy.
Speaker 1: It's also part of their culture to marry children. Totally,
Speaker 1: so totally. I mean, I know they deny this, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like Mormonism and fundamentalist Mormonism, and they
Speaker 1: are fundamentalist Mormons. It is part of their culture to
Speaker 1: exploit children. Well in this way.
Speaker 3: I was also thinking about Michelty and Tony because I
Speaker 3: know that with Mannye and Caleb. They want to get
Speaker 3: married right away. They get engaged and they want to
Speaker 3: get married less than a year out in June or whatever.
Speaker 3: I know that Tony and McKelty start having a relationship
Speaker 3: pretty quickly right around this time, and then McKelty also
Speaker 3: wants to get married pretty close to Madison because she's
Speaker 3: kind of competing with her and she wants the attention
Speaker 3: or whatever. But I remember the episodes where mckelti's introducing
Speaker 3: Tony and her relationship with him, and everybody's like, not supportive.
Speaker 3: They don't like Tony, right, And I just think that's
Speaker 3: kind of fucked up. Like, so we're really happy that
Speaker 3: Madison's dating a thirty year old dude and like he
Speaker 3: probably groomed her allegedly or whatever. But when we have
Speaker 3: Tony and michelt then it's like, you guys are too young.
Speaker 3: I remember Christine's like, you're too young, you're rushing it,
Speaker 3: you don't know if you like him or whatever, And
Speaker 3: I just think that that's so lame.
Speaker 1: Well yup, and we have to ask ourselves the question,
Speaker 1: is it because McKelty is the black sheep and maybe
Speaker 1: she's a bit more childlike and is this an actual
Speaker 1: protective instinct for Christine and Cody or is it because
Speaker 1: they're racist maybe, or is it because, like a lot
Speaker 1: of us, when we first met Tony, we did not
Speaker 1: like him because he was strange. Look sure, she's very strange,
Speaker 1: look yes, but he was also very tat told too
Speaker 1: money and this and that. This is why we call
Speaker 1: him too many tacos Tony, because he's asking for a
Speaker 1: lot and not giving much in return. So we were
Speaker 1: put off by him. But when you do compare it
Speaker 1: to Caleb and Maddie, it seems quite unfair.
Speaker 3: And it's like you cannot like your kid's significant other
Speaker 3: or like not prefer them or whatever. And I get
Speaker 3: that that's fine, but it's the fact that they just
Speaker 3: like weren't even supportive of the relationship in general that
Speaker 3: I'm just like, okay, but we're fine with nineteen year
Speaker 3: old Mattie right marrying a thirty year old Okay, whatever,
Speaker 3: because they're in love, and because more importantly, Cody loves Caleb,
Speaker 3: and like that's a theme for the first half of
Speaker 3: this episode, is like Cody obsessed with Caleb, Like Maddie
Speaker 3: comes home to visit and also pack up all our
Speaker 3: shit so she can move to Montana, and then Caleb
Speaker 3: joins with his big old truck, and Cody's like, man,
Speaker 3: I love your big old truck, and like, can I
Speaker 3: drive up in the truck with you and hang out
Speaker 3: with you on the drive. I know that you want
Speaker 3: to like be with my daughter like any normal boyfriend,
Speaker 3: but you know, can I drive in the truck with
Speaker 3: you and talk with you and have some man time?
Speaker 2: And like everybody in.
Speaker 3: The family is talking about how obsessed Cody is with
Speaker 3: Caleb and how they think that maybe Caleb's just being
Speaker 3: nice to him and probably doesn't like him. It's just
Speaker 3: weird to me me too, the blanket support and everything.
Speaker 3: But I also thought it was interesting how like Cody
Speaker 3: was kind of sentimental, like really sentimental with Maddie in particular,
Speaker 3: and how Christine made a comment about how Maddie had
Speaker 3: always been a daddy's girl and you know, Cody was
Speaker 3: her rock and now he flashed forward to twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six and she's like no contact with him and calling
Speaker 3: him a narcissist and that sucks, man, It's really shitty.
Speaker 3: But I liked some of the moments with Cody just
Speaker 3: being really sweet with Madison and how he wants to
Speaker 3: be involved in like the wedding venue process and like
Speaker 3: planning her wedding, and when she's moving out, Robin wants
Speaker 3: to give her her broken down, krusty ass old couch,
Speaker 3: and Cody wants to fix it for Maddie right away
Speaker 3: before they pack it up because he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: send her home with a shitty couch.
Speaker 1: It feels genuine, right, Yeah, like a dad, which is
Speaker 1: so strange. It's super Usually it's all for the cameras
Speaker 1: and maybe there's some of that as well, but he
Speaker 1: does seem to have a particular affection for Maddie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's sad how it's devolved to the point where he's
Speaker 3: no contact with her and no contact with the majority
Speaker 3: of his og children. But like, I don't know, looking
Speaker 3: back on it, I know we hate Cody, I know
Speaker 3: he's a monster or whatever, but there's like these little
Speaker 3: glimmers where I'm like, well, he did love his kids
Speaker 3: at one point, yes, you know, And so that's kind
Speaker 3: of the first portion of the episode is Maddie moving
Speaker 3: out and she's in love with Caleb or whatever, and
Speaker 3: then you know, Robin's big and pregnant and she's getting
Speaker 3: an ultrasound to make sure her baby's in the right position.
Speaker 1: Did you see her stretch marks?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm just going to point it out every time it
Speaker 1: comes up, because Robin made that iconic statement about how
Speaker 1: Cody was such a good man because he loved the
Speaker 1: OG three even though they were out of shape and
Speaker 1: had stretch marks. But you know, when she lifts her
Speaker 1: shirt and we do the ultrasound, we see a bunch
Speaker 1: of stretch marks there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're gonna body shame the other women, right,
Speaker 3: But you have stretch marks too, And Cody doesn't care
Speaker 3: no obviously, But she's checking out on her baby, and
Speaker 3: she's like moving stuff around at her house that way
Speaker 3: some baby can share rooms. And it's just like every
Speaker 3: time there's a segment that's like focused on Robin, I
Speaker 3: just don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: I go, I go somewhere else.
Speaker 3: Dimensionally, it's like I can't feel anything for her other
Speaker 3: than hatred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were moments in this episode where I wondered
Speaker 1: as well whether she was being genuine, particularly with her
Speaker 1: support for Mary. Uh huh. So, I mean I think
Speaker 1: she's still somewhat human in these earlier seasons, but she's
Speaker 1: definitely tipping over into gargoyle.
Speaker 3: Litt Yeah, and like, you know, we've talked at length
Speaker 3: about the theory of like was Robin planning from the
Speaker 3: very beginning? Did she start planning after the legal divorce?
Speaker 3: Like when did her devilishness take over? And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you support the idea that maybe Robin wasn't
Speaker 3: evil from the very beginning. I could see how watching
Speaker 3: this back, maybe this was like the point with the catfishing,
Speaker 3: where like Robin started to crystallize into her demonic form
Speaker 3: because she realized, like, oh, everybody here's fucked up. Let
Speaker 3: me manipulate the situation even more to make sure I
Speaker 3: secure my empire and secure my dragon hoard, and I
Speaker 3: can live. I can live my life with my knee in,
Speaker 3: you know, Because there were some moments too that I
Speaker 3: was thinking, hmm, maybe you are a little human, I
Speaker 3: don't know, yeah, or maybe this is just pregnancy Robin hormonal, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, can't help but have a little empathy. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: And that's the sad part is that we can't be
Speaker 1: sure we really based on what we've seen in later seasons,
Speaker 1: she's so terrible.
Speaker 2: She is really really awful and so fake, Like.
Speaker 1: How do you get that terrible? If that wasn't inside
Speaker 1: you all the whole time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 3: Was there anything else at the beginning of this episode
Speaker 3: before we get to the catfish conversation, I mean.
Speaker 1: We did travel up to Billings. We moved Maddie into
Speaker 1: her very small home. It was very cute. As soon
Speaker 1: as I saw it, I'm like, Caleb's going to live
Speaker 1: there with you? Totally. I think y'all are banging.
Speaker 3: I was gonna ask about that because I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: y'all are fuck I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's twenty six and talking to a
Speaker 1: sixteen year old, you have to ask yourself why, what's
Speaker 1: the impulse and the instinct. It's probably sexual in nature.
Speaker 1: I would not be a bit surprised. I would imagine
Speaker 1: that they're boinkin' for surely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But Maddie wants us to know that she's not
Speaker 3: moving in with Caleb. He's got his own place down
Speaker 3: the street or something.
Speaker 1: Right, because a producer actually asks her directly, like is
Speaker 1: Caleb going to live with you? And she kind of smiles,
Speaker 1: She's like, oh no, no, no, not all he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're having sex totally. They're fucking hardcore. I can't blame him.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, I mean he's old. But like when
Speaker 1: I was young and married when I was eighteen, your
Speaker 1: horny is when I was dating him before. I was
Speaker 1: just returned from Fiji on a mission, not a Mormon
Speaker 1: mission but an Evangelical mission and.
Speaker 2: Man making out everybody, that's right.
Speaker 1: Met my husband, my first husband, I was eighteen years
Speaker 1: old and we lived together first.
Speaker 3: And did you have sex before marriage like a heathen?
Speaker 1: I sure did a lot. I was my Samoan husband. Honey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a long story.
Speaker 3: I don't think we've told them this story. We won't
Speaker 3: probably not.
Speaker 1: We could, but I mean not now. Maybe at some
Speaker 1: point maybe on Patreon. Yeah, they did have a first
Speaker 1: husband that I married at a very young age, and
Speaker 1: he was a Samoan man. Yeah, the Rock.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of firsts with him.
Speaker 1: I did he did anyway?
Speaker 2: Anyway, the Catfish. So back in Vegas, Yes, after.
Speaker 3: We've moved Maddie into her house with her living boyfriend
Speaker 3: to a.
Speaker 1: Fan who's grown a doll, a grown thirty year old man, right.
Speaker 3: We returned back home and we congregate at Mary's sad,
Speaker 3: dour house with her ugly furniture terrible, and all of
Speaker 3: the family, like all of the adults come over along
Speaker 3: with Nancy the.
Speaker 2: Therapist to have a very in depth discussion.
Speaker 1: What good is she? I mean, I know we're about
Speaker 1: to get into the scene, but like, what does she contribute?
Speaker 1: She's a horrible She just taking fucking notes, that's all
Speaker 1: she's doing. She's terrible.
Speaker 2: And she sat down.
Speaker 3: I literally laughed out loud because she's like, so tell me,
Speaker 3: I don't tell me about the catfish Mary. And then
Speaker 3: it's just like a conversation between the five adults and
Speaker 3: she's just sitting there observing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're no doctor.
Speaker 1: Orna, no, and we're not trying to get into the
Speaker 1: truth of what actually happens so that we can heal
Speaker 1: this family. You're just a production plant helping them to
Speaker 1: whitewash this entire situation and continue to lie. Great job,
Speaker 1: Nancy the therapist.
Speaker 3: She doesn't do anything therapeutic at all, Like she doesn't
Speaker 3: challenge anybody, She doesn't ask anybody to like reevaluate their
Speaker 3: perspective on it. Like she just sits there and is
Speaker 3: like validating everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how were you not challenging Mary in this moment.
Speaker 1: It's maybe it's something you would do in individual therapy,
Speaker 1: but y'all chose to sit down, the five of you
Speaker 1: in front of Nancy, and you're just going to let
Speaker 1: Mary lie anyway, I'm jumping ahead, go on, girl.
Speaker 3: Well, we start off with Mary again talking about how
Speaker 3: she had planned to tell the family about what was
Speaker 3: happening in Alaska, and then when she had sat down
Speaker 3: at the dinner table or whatever at that restaurant, she
Speaker 3: started talking to them and then realized that it wasn't
Speaker 3: the best time to ruin this beautiful vacation by talking
Speaker 3: about her online affair, and so she kind of skirted
Speaker 3: around it, didn't tell them until after everybody was super shocked,
Speaker 3: and Mary to the camera says, there were a lot
Speaker 3: of details that I revealed to the family that were very,
Speaker 3: very shocking to them, and I know that there's a
Speaker 3: lot of her feelings.
Speaker 2: So we got to talk about it.
Speaker 3: And like again, the way that we introduce it with
Speaker 3: Nancy there is victimizing Mary about how she was taken
Speaker 3: advantage of. We hear from Robin on the Couch a
Speaker 3: lot a lot actually with her commentary about how they
Speaker 3: were all very hurt and betray you and felt like
Speaker 3: this was a big shock. Robin is the one, like
Speaker 3: you said, who uses the word affair, and she says
Speaker 3: that that was her first impression of this whole situation,
Speaker 3: but then as she learned more about it, she realized
Speaker 3: that Mary was abused.
Speaker 1: Did she even say that? Did she negate the affair?
Speaker 1: I think she did?
Speaker 3: Did? She was like it, I realized it wasn't that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, I know you and Cody are
Speaker 3: talking about it as if it's an affair.
Speaker 1: We know you've deployed Kendra to be in the middle
Speaker 1: of the cat fish situations, so you and Cody have
Speaker 1: been on this the entire time.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is Mary in this episode was saying
Speaker 3: that she told the whole family together after the Alaska trip,
Speaker 3: but then with Nancy, Nancy asks Mary, when did you
Speaker 3: finally decide to come clean and tell everybody the truth?
Speaker 3: Mary says, well, actually I told only Robin first. Because
Speaker 3: the family was again at another family trip for Hunter.
Speaker 3: I think it was some like ceremony for him or whatever,
Speaker 3: and they were all staying in hotels and Mary went
Speaker 3: into Robin's hotel room and broke down sobbing and told
Speaker 3: her everything, and then they told the rest of the family.
Speaker 1: So I just don't know when the family actually knew.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what's driving me a little crazy
Speaker 1: because I've felt in Alaska like they all knew already.
Speaker 3: It kind of felt like that a little bit, but
Speaker 3: the way that Mary was saying it was like she
Speaker 3: wasn't telling him the whole truth. And we kind of
Speaker 3: talked about that last week about how the way it
Speaker 3: was framed and filmed in Alaska felt like she wasn't
Speaker 3: saying what it actually was.
Speaker 2: Like she was just saying, I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 1: And wouldn't everybody like say something about that, Like right,
Speaker 1: I would stop what I'm doing, would put my fork down,
Speaker 1: like what do you mean you're gonna leave? Like we're
Speaker 1: a family, what are you talking about? Nobody did that.
Speaker 1: This is why I think they already knew about it,
Speaker 1: that this is just them trying to rugsweep.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of this is damage control and
Speaker 3: like them trying to keep everything together because they don't
Speaker 3: want to lose their TLC contract, not like they would.
Speaker 2: Because TLC feeds off of this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they love the family destruction narrative.
Speaker 1: Gosh, I bet the ratings were great during the Catfish.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: We got a couple comments on Patreon saying that, like
Speaker 3: the Catfish was what actually saved the show because the
Speaker 3: show was so fucking boring, and like you guys know
Speaker 3: from our recaps of season nine, for the majority of it,
Speaker 3: it was hell boring, Like there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 3: substance there, so, like I could see even back then
Speaker 3: people seeing like who even watches the show?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Who even cares about these people? But then the Catfish
Speaker 3: comes out and ratings are skyrocketing, so I don't know
Speaker 3: who knows when the family actually found out the truth
Speaker 3: about this whole thing. I think you're right. Mary was
Speaker 3: probably forced to have this conversation. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of this was like damage control, just trying to protect
Speaker 3: the narrative because, you know, we get into it and
Speaker 3: Robin says, you know, I realized that it wasn't an affair.
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing. I realized it wasn't an affair. Mary was
Speaker 3: being emotionally blackmailed, and then we have this whole like
Speaker 3: thing from Mary about I'm threatening and it was abused,
Speaker 3: and it was scary. I was trying to protect everybody.
Speaker 1: Anytime I wanted to be with my family, they got
Speaker 1: so upset. So I had to isolate myself in a
Speaker 1: top with a banana. I have no other choice. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you listen to these recordings, Mary is drunk off her ass,
Speaker 1: like two am in her haunted house, talking about how
Speaker 1: much she loves Sam. So she's drinking, she's internet whuring,
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to just sit here. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure if the audience says listened to that, we're just
Speaker 1: supposed to sit here and listen to you. Lie. Mary,
Speaker 1: Such a fucking liar, dude.
Speaker 3: Literally, the only kernel of truth in terms of like
Speaker 3: Mary saying she was taken advantage of is the fact
Speaker 3: that this was a catfish. This was a woman who
Speaker 3: had a blog who was like cataloging all of this
Speaker 3: stuff to kind of I don't know what her motivation
Speaker 3: was for catfishing Mary in this way, but like just
Speaker 3: you know, cataloging everything and then exposing her like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that sucks, Sure, that's exploitative totally. I kind of wonder though,
Speaker 3: whether Jackie, the real catfish, actually had feelings for Mary
Speaker 3: like actually wanted to pursue it or something, because she
Speaker 3: did meet Mary a couple of times.
Speaker 2: They took fucking photos together.
Speaker 1: I think she let Jackie into her house. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think Jackie was maybe into her, but yeah, she
Speaker 1: was keeping records.
Speaker 3: And so that's shitty. Yeah you know, but but you're
Speaker 3: a TV personality.
Speaker 1: You walked right into it, dummy, and that's my thing.
Speaker 1: You took pictures, you left messages, that's my thing. How
Speaker 1: are you this dumb? Like you did twenty fifth days?
Speaker 3: You did all this and like Mary to the family
Speaker 3: with Nancy is saying shit like I had to withdraw
Speaker 3: from the family because I was afraid and this person
Speaker 3: was threatening me and abusing me and being very verbally
Speaker 3: like mean to me, and I was worried about what
Speaker 3: they would do to our family. I was worried about
Speaker 3: what they would do to our business. Like she was
Speaker 3: like saying all of these things as reasonings for not
Speaker 3: hanging out with the family, not seeing the kids, not
Speaker 3: being friends with Robin essentially, But those voicemails that you
Speaker 3: can still listen to on YouTube, it's crazy, like you
Speaker 3: were just going going home and sexting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jackie, you were on the phone all the time.
Speaker 1: Your other sister wives noticed it, and Cody starts talking
Speaker 1: about how he would come over and she was on
Speaker 1: the phone the entire time. She was making friends on
Speaker 1: social media, and Cody was like, I think you should
Speaker 1: be careful. But Mary was not listening to Cody, And incidentally,
Speaker 1: I think Leon at the same time was telling their mother, like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be talking to this person. And Leon knew
Speaker 1: at the time that Mary was absolutely engaging in an
Speaker 1: emotional affair and tried to tell Mary that, but Mary
Speaker 1: didn't listen to Leon either, And so Cody is trying
Speaker 1: to advocate for himself and say something like, well, but
Speaker 1: I was here and you turned me away and you
Speaker 1: didn't want to spend time with me. Is that because
Speaker 1: you had feelings for this person? And I hate to
Speaker 1: how Mary dances around this, because she says at some
Speaker 1: point something like, well, you know, he did say that
Speaker 1: Sam the Catfish, he did say that he had love
Speaker 1: for me. And Janelle tries to help her here and says, oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: that must have been so strange for you and uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and Mary's like, no, no, no, I mean I was flattered,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't say what we hear in the recordings,
Speaker 1: which is that she loved Sam too and she was
Speaker 1: all in at the time. She just dances around it
Speaker 1: and tries to frame it as her being lonely, all
Speaker 1: alone once Leon went away to college, and Mary's in
Speaker 1: this haunted house all by herself. She doesn't have any friends,
Speaker 1: even though in season twenty and in season nineteen we
Speaker 1: see all the friends that she used to have in Vegas.
Speaker 1: So did these people know? Like I don't know? But
Speaker 1: she tries to frame it as she was so confused
Speaker 1: after her divorce from Quarter and it was still alone
Speaker 1: and nobody comes over and talks to me, and so
Speaker 1: I was vulnerable and they took advantage of meat. No, bitch,
Speaker 1: you had an affair.
Speaker 3: Because your husband sucks, like right, all of that shit
Speaker 3: is valid. It's valid feel lonely, it's valid to feel
Speaker 3: abandoned in your relationship. Because Cody did abandon her. He
Speaker 3: wasn't touching her poon any for many years prior to
Speaker 3: the catfish we know this now, and he wasn't visiting her.
Speaker 3: She kicked him out of his house. He didn't nurture
Speaker 3: their relationship at all. And even Cody says in this
Speaker 3: episode that he is at fault a little bit for
Speaker 3: this because he didn't take care of their relationship. He
Speaker 3: didn't press her when she was trying to push him away.
Speaker 3: He just let her push him away. He just didn't
Speaker 3: care about it. And he acknowledges that they were struggling
Speaker 3: for many years in their relationship and that led Mary
Speaker 3: to be very vulnerable. So, like, all those things are valid.
Speaker 3: We're not saying that like Mary wasn't mistreated here, it's
Speaker 3: just that Mary trying to act like this was something
Speaker 3: put upon her, like she was targeted. She literally says
Speaker 3: that to some gang stocking horde.
Speaker 2: Of people, that's what's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's not what happened, Mary. And it's so uncomfortable for you,
Speaker 1: apparently to look in on yourself and check your own
Speaker 1: character here the part of you that would be willing
Speaker 1: to have an affair on Cody. And I'm wondering how
Speaker 1: long she was talking to Sam, Like was this even
Speaker 1: before the legal divorce? When did it start exactly in
Speaker 1: terms of that timeline, I'm not sure I can tell though,
Speaker 1: Like during the adoption, during the legal marriage to Robin,
Speaker 1: Mary has already checked out totally. It feels to me
Speaker 1: like she was probably talking to Sam for a bit
Speaker 1: longer than that, Like, I just you did something very wrong,
Speaker 1: and yes, you have every reason to feel the way
Speaker 1: that you did. And she even starts to cry and says, yeah, Cody,
Speaker 1: I was really angry at you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get there.
Speaker 1: Cody's Sucksacity's a narcissist, is flamboyantly gay. I would have
Speaker 1: a problem with that as well. But like, can we
Speaker 1: talk about the part that you participated in? Can we
Speaker 1: talk about how you contribute to this fucked up relationship?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about your integrity and where it went
Speaker 1: since you've got on the phone with a banana in
Speaker 1: your mouth? No, apparently not. And this is why let
Speaker 1: me just say this. Let me just say, like anybody
Speaker 1: who's signing up for these worthy up classes or seminars
Speaker 1: or whatever, even when by season twenty when she's sitting
Speaker 1: down in the tail alls with Sukiana talking about the
Speaker 1: catfish but not owning it, she's still not owning it
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, and she wants
Speaker 1: to act as some sort of a mentor or guru
Speaker 1: on how to live your best life and have integrity
Speaker 1: and be healthy, Like, no, you can't do it unless
Speaker 1: you own what you did.
Speaker 3: And that's the part that's so fucking frustrating about it
Speaker 3: because you can see, you can see that she had
Speaker 3: every reason to be checked out of the marriage with
Speaker 3: this because her marriage was objectively awful. Okay, but it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it's okay to go online and have
Speaker 3: an emotional and lou ky sexual affair with somebody online
Speaker 3: when you're sending them dirty pictures of you suck it
Speaker 3: on a banana.
Speaker 1: They were probably masturbating on the phone, they were having
Speaker 1: phone sex.
Speaker 3: Come on and look like I love that for Mary.
Speaker 3: I want her. I want her to have like a
Speaker 3: healthy sexual relationship with somebody who cares about her, who's
Speaker 3: passionate about her whatever, and like I want her to
Speaker 3: not be with Cody. But it's the fact that this
Speaker 3: whole thing with the catfish is just framed like Mary
Speaker 3: was targeted. And it's so funny because Robin and Christine
Speaker 3: and Janelle, while they're sitting with Mary in this in
Speaker 3: this living room, are all saying, like the Mary we
Speaker 3: know would never fall for stuff like this, Like how
Speaker 3: could you be so vulnerable? How could you be so stupid,
Speaker 3: so stupid essentially to fall for shit like this. And
Speaker 3: Janelle even says that, like to the camera, like I
Speaker 3: can't believe Mary would ever fall for something like this.
Speaker 3: This is crazy to me that she would ever even
Speaker 3: believe the words coming from this person outside of our family.
Speaker 3: And Janelle just chalks it up to being naive and
Speaker 3: you know, not understanding that this could happen to their family.
Speaker 3: But they're all right, Like, Mary, how could.
Speaker 2: You fall for something like this?
Speaker 3: This is honestly stupid, And like I get it, you're vulnerable,
Speaker 3: you're lonely or whatever, but just have the courage, yes
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, Cody, our marriage sucks because
Speaker 3: you suck and you haven't loved.
Speaker 1: And I suck too, and I said too. Throughout this relationship,
Speaker 1: I did a lot of things wrong. And I understand
Speaker 1: why you feel estranged from me, and I feel a
Speaker 1: stranged from you exactly.
Speaker 3: So like, let me leave peacefully. I'll still be a
Speaker 3: part of the family as a friend or whatever, but
Speaker 3: like I'm done with you because I want to get
Speaker 3: my kuchie wet, you know, like, just have the courage
Speaker 3: to say that. But she doesn't, and that's what sucks.
Speaker 3: And to your point, the fact that she hasn't even
Speaker 3: admitted to the full extent her responsibility with this to
Speaker 3: this day, to this day, right, is even worse.
Speaker 1: And she's going to go on to have a major
Speaker 1: falling out with Leon. This and Leon confronts Mary and
Speaker 1: still Mary can't admit it.
Speaker 3: And like, watching this back, I was honestly feeling so
Speaker 3: much empathy for Leon and I was actually feeling like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: wonder Leon was so fucking mad at Mary, Because if
Speaker 3: I was Leon, I would be just as pissed and
Speaker 3: I would be a total bitch to my mom if
Speaker 3: she was acting like this, especially if I had heard
Speaker 3: the conversations right, Like we know Leon had overheard a
Speaker 3: lot of these phone conversations with Mary, because Mary was
Speaker 3: again stupid enough to have these conversations in front of
Speaker 3: her childlife.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mary was talking to Leon about it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I could see that too, And that's gross.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's terrible.
Speaker 3: That's a terrible place to put your kid.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I just want to say again, and I've
Speaker 1: said this before, but how much more interesting would this
Speaker 1: have been if we did have the full conversation with
Speaker 1: Mary and with Cody, in which she said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: haven't had sex with my husband first seven years. At
Speaker 1: this point, like he never comes over, and I feel
Speaker 1: really lonely and I feel isolated. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm going to do next with my life. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I was vulnerable, but I was really looking for connection.
Speaker 1: I was really looking for companionship and the thought that
Speaker 1: this handsome businessman might be interested in me. Like I
Speaker 1: just lost my mind and I absolutely went full on
Speaker 1: into an emotional affair. And I was wrong for that.
Speaker 1: I should have had those conversations with Cody, and he
Speaker 1: should have had those conversations with me, And furthermore, we
Speaker 1: should all be having these conversations with each other instead
Speaker 1: of pretending to be this upstanding Mormon family, which we
Speaker 1: are not. Yeah, like that, to me would have been
Speaker 1: so much more interesting, and how many of us would
Speaker 1: have rallied for Mary. I would have been like, listen,
Speaker 1: that's shitty that you did that, But the way that
Speaker 1: you explain that makes me understand you and also have
Speaker 1: a lot of compassion for you. But she's so invested
Speaker 1: in her persona and how she appears to others that
Speaker 1: she's not willing to admit it, and I want wonder
Speaker 1: if she's even willing to admit it to herself.
Speaker 3: I think that's the real issue, is that she can't
Speaker 3: admit it to herself because it's so shameful. Like the
Speaker 3: act of cheating on your spouse in this way, like
Speaker 3: would be very shameful, and you would feel a lot
Speaker 3: of regret and you'd be like, why did I do that?
Speaker 3: You know, like, and I get that, and I have
Speaker 3: empathy for that, but still, it's what you did.
Speaker 2: That's just it.
Speaker 1: It's just what you did.
Speaker 2: That's it's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: M h, it's you did. And also if you want
Speaker 1: to move on into some sort of mentorship role with somebody,
Speaker 1: like it makes you have social currency and social trust
Speaker 1: when you actually divulge the things that you did incorrectly
Speaker 1: and then kind of contextualize that and like and this
Speaker 1: is how I learned, and this is how I am
Speaker 1: now doing better in my life, and this is how
Speaker 1: you can do better too. But when you can't even
Speaker 1: admit your fundamental flaws. And she does it to this
Speaker 1: day on her Instagram with all her therapy words, and
Speaker 1: she'd never says anything with all those words, you pretends
Speaker 1: she's got this great life and she's really got the
Speaker 1: key to success. No, you don't, because you cannot admit
Speaker 1: to even yourself that you had a hand in fucking
Speaker 1: this all up.
Speaker 3: And like, furthermore, what can you really learn about yourself
Speaker 3: or about your life, or about love or whatever from
Speaker 3: this situation if you can't be real about it, Like
Speaker 3: if everything in life is supposed to teach you something fundamental,
Speaker 3: like and you're supposed to gain wisdom from it, Like,
Speaker 3: you can't really gain wisdom from something that you can't
Speaker 3: admit the full truth about. Like, it's just it's weird
Speaker 3: to me. And you know, she talks about wanting to
Speaker 3: meet up with Sam slash Jackie because she had had
Speaker 3: an inkling that he was lying or whatever. She wants
Speaker 3: us to believe that that's the reason why she wanted
Speaker 3: to meet this person.
Speaker 1: To me, that you're a real person.
Speaker 3: But like the fact that you did that also behind
Speaker 3: everybody's back is crazy, because what if Sam was real,
Speaker 3: then what would you have done?
Speaker 1: She would have left immediately, she would have run off
Speaker 1: with him exactly, no questions asked, exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's weird to me that she had all these conversations,
Speaker 3: right with Jackie on the phone. And I think people
Speaker 3: have said that Jackie was like using some voice altering
Speaker 3: software or whatever. But Leon, I think was it Leon
Speaker 3: or Christine? I forget somebody had said in the family
Speaker 3: that when they had overheard the conversations, like you could
Speaker 3: tell it wasn't a man on the phone. So then
Speaker 3: Mary goes to Disneyland with Jackie aka Sam the Catfish
Speaker 3: and takes photos with this person. Yes, and like Jackie
Speaker 3: looks like a big old basbian. Okay, let's just be real,
Speaker 3: total total lesbian.
Speaker 1: What do you call them these days? A mask?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the proper term.
Speaker 1: Honest. What's the difference. I don't have any idea. Later,
Speaker 1: she's not a stud, but she's masked. She's a mask.
Speaker 1: So she's a top Okay, Like that means she's got
Speaker 1: this strap on. Yeah, okay, she's doing she's doing break
Speaker 1: it down for Mama over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay. So I'm just like wondering did she know
Speaker 3: that it was Jackie the whole time?
Speaker 2: Like was she having a list?
Speaker 3: See the question that we have their like, but I
Speaker 3: don't know the voicemails. Yeah, Mary was saying Sam so
Speaker 3: way more attractive than Cody, we'll just say that, yeah,
Speaker 3: and we'll leave it there.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just odd to me that Mary felt like it
Speaker 3: was okay. And that's crazy is if.
Speaker 1: She would have, just like I said, talked about this plainly,
Speaker 1: then we could have moved on to Cody and we
Speaker 1: could have examined what was going on with Cody to
Speaker 1: put Mary in this kind of vulnerable situation where she
Speaker 1: can be predated upon by somebody who's out here trying
Speaker 1: to explain her. But because she's covering it up, because
Speaker 1: everyone at the time knew she was lying. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the dumpster and I'm talking about the audience,
Speaker 1: like we all knew she was lying. It's clear that
Speaker 1: she's lying.
Speaker 2: We heard the recordings.
Speaker 1: Now we're focused on you and how much you suck,
Speaker 1: And now we're gonna focus on you and Leon and
Speaker 1: your terrible relationship because you can't bring yourself to tell
Speaker 1: the truth when we could be talking about how Cody
Speaker 1: is a terrible husband to you and to everybody else exactly,
Speaker 1: but now we can't do that, Thanks Mary.
Speaker 3: And maybe that was on purpose, Maybe they didn't want
Speaker 3: the heat to be on Cody, like maybe this was
Speaker 3: damage control for him because he was so concerned about
Speaker 3: his image, and so Mary had to take the heat
Speaker 3: for everything. I mean rightfully so because she was the
Speaker 3: one that had the affair or whatever. But like maybe
Speaker 3: that was the reason why we're focusing on Mary being
Speaker 3: a victim and Mary being targeted from this online fucking
Speaker 3: h I didn't want to I didn't want to say terrorist,
Speaker 3: but it's like right, kind of online terrorist. They called
Speaker 3: her a predator, like an online predator coming to me
Speaker 3: telling me that they loved me.
Speaker 1: Like sidebar. Do y'all know that Sam slash Jackie wrote
Speaker 1: a book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the book is called Almost Married any RII
Speaker 3: apostrophe ed.
Speaker 1: So this is written by the catfish. I think this
Speaker 1: book is still obtainable. And in this book, Sam, who
Speaker 1: again is Jackie, talks about all the conversations that he
Speaker 1: had with Mary, all the things that she said, all
Speaker 1: the things that went down. We need to get that book.
Speaker 1: We should, even if it's full of shit. I still
Speaker 1: need to read it. We can reap those recordings, don't lie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that when I was looking it up and
Speaker 1: I was finding all this information, it took me to
Speaker 1: read it. I sent you actually a screenshot of somebody
Speaker 1: talking about something that Sam had written, either in the
Speaker 1: blog or in the book about Mary. Maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: the Reddit one. Maybe it was the one from Instagram.
Speaker 1: I think it was without a crystal ball. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is an excerpt from the book talking about
Speaker 3: what Mary told Sam. So the excerpt reads, quote, we
Speaker 3: started talking early March, and throughout the entire affair, she
Speaker 3: told me she had stopped sleeping with him Cody, and
Speaker 3: also had actually started sleeping upstairs in the spare room
Speaker 3: because she didn't want him near her anymore. It was
Speaker 3: in May when she actually kicked him out of the
Speaker 3: house and asked him not to stay over anymore. He
Speaker 3: fought it at first, but finally agreed, and he would
Speaker 3: pop over to see her from time to time, but
Speaker 3: for the most part, they wouldn't speak or see each
Speaker 3: other for three or four days in a row. He
Speaker 3: completely gave up trying to work on it because she
Speaker 3: said he was done too. The marriage had been over
Speaker 3: for years. She told me that the last straw for
Speaker 3: her was when he took the wedding band that she
Speaker 3: gave him during their wedding ceremony and melted it down.
Speaker 3: He told her he didn't want it to be a
Speaker 3: contention point with the other wives, so he had melted
Speaker 3: it down and put into a piece of jewelry for
Speaker 3: another daughter, not her daughter. She said, she is a
Speaker 3: sentimental person and when he did that, it showed her
Speaker 3: how much the marriage meant to him, which was nothing.
Speaker 3: She said, it hurt her feelings because he could have
Speaker 3: given it back to her to hold on to for
Speaker 3: her daughter's future husband, or at least let her have
Speaker 3: it for a keepsake. That was years ago, she told me,
Speaker 3: and she told me how upsetting.
Speaker 2: It was for her, and it really hurt.
Speaker 1: So I think the reason that that's so interesting is because,
Speaker 1: of course it comes out in season nineteen and Christine
Speaker 1: is the one to divulge that Cody did in fact
Speaker 1: melt down her ring. Yes, so this is years after
Speaker 1: the catfish actually happens. So how would Sam slash Jackie
Speaker 1: have known about that unless Mary really did tell Jackie.
Speaker 1: And again, this is like a little tidbit that is
Speaker 1: in the book that maybe we will cover on Patreon
Speaker 1: because it sounds like supreme mess and I'm into it,
Speaker 1: but I'm just like going back to how stupid Mary
Speaker 1: has to be to devult this kind of truly sensitive
Speaker 1: information to someone that you've never met as far as
Speaker 1: you know, you've never physically met this person. Yes, you've
Speaker 1: talked to them, you've had mutual masturbation or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you don't know this person and you're talking about shit
Speaker 1: like this family secrets like this is just wild to
Speaker 1: me how naive you are, but also how stupid you are.
Speaker 3: And it does give credence to the fact that Mary
Speaker 3: was very vulnerable and very lonely, and obviously she didn't
Speaker 3: have anybody to talk to at this period in time
Speaker 3: of her life.
Speaker 1: But I contend that she had friends. She was talking
Speaker 1: to Jem And it's actually, why.
Speaker 3: Didn't you tell your friends, Why didn't you go over
Speaker 3: to Jen's house if you were friends with her at
Speaker 3: this period of time and like have a couple glasses
Speaker 3: of wine and cry on her shoulder like a normal person.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did. I'm sure she had already done.
Speaker 3: That maybe, but it just shows that Mary obviously was
Speaker 3: going through a hard time, and it.
Speaker 1: Shows that she's stupid. Totally shows that she's stupid.
Speaker 3: Like why are you talking to this man that's like
Speaker 3: this handsome supermodel or whatever? And you're like thinking that
Speaker 3: he's a real person, that he's falling in love with you.
Speaker 3: Like that's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the show Catfish on MTV
Speaker 1: was on for like four years by then. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: at least it was in the consciousness of humans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that this was happening all the time, all over the place. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't think to ask the question. That's I think
Speaker 1: that's why you're sending pictures of yourself in a tub
Speaker 1: with a banana.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 1: It's local hoodie.
Speaker 2: That's like some teenage shit too, like, because I was
Speaker 2: totally doing that. I was a teenager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking to people online, sure, on O
Speaker 3: Magel and like talking to total strangers and stuff. But
Speaker 3: like I also knew that they were probably not real,
Speaker 3: Like I also knew that they're probably fake ass profiles
Speaker 3: and stuff like how does a grown woman well?
Speaker 1: And Jane does address how just in terms of their faith,
Speaker 1: they're very trusting people. Yeah, I'm very naive and I'm
Speaker 1: sure sure there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 1: also I wonder like where the arrested development started with Mary, Like,
Speaker 1: is she in her mind only fourteen years old or
Speaker 1: fifteen years old and still has all of these young
Speaker 1: girl fantasies about romance that probably did not pan out
Speaker 1: with Cody. Okay, get therapies, then.
Speaker 3: No, for real, go get therapy, get therapy, Leave your husband,
Speaker 3: have the courage to leave him because he obviously fucking sucks,
Speaker 3: and just be done with it. But that's what's crazy,
Speaker 3: is like, So after all of this happens right with
Speaker 3: the Catfish, we know that Mary is still trying to
Speaker 3: tell the family that she's loyal to them. She's still
Speaker 3: simping really hard for Cody, and she does so up until.
Speaker 2: Season nineteen, season twenty, and that's crazy.
Speaker 1: She has to be directly told by Cody multiple times
Speaker 1: by the way that he's dead, it's never gonna happen,
Speaker 1: we're never getting back together, in order for her to
Speaker 1: finally walk away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just shows that Mary has literally no
Speaker 3: self wary and that is sad, and I do have
Speaker 3: compassion for that. I want her to get help or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sick of her.
Speaker 3: But even with like just the lack of self worse
Speaker 3: and even with her being stupid with this catfish and
Speaker 3: suck like, she still did something that was wrong.
Speaker 2: And that's like the one.
Speaker 1: She's still lying about it till today, and she's trying
Speaker 1: to be a guide to people so they could have
Speaker 1: better lives. Bitch, tell yourself the truth before you start
Speaker 1: telling me what the truth is.
Speaker 3: Damn Honestly, when we get to the episodes with Leon
Speaker 3: being pissed at Mary, I can't wait. I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: reving for Leon. I'm just gonna let you.
Speaker 1: Know, well, I saw that preview and I was like,
Speaker 1: get her lay on, like cut on.
Speaker 3: Of course Leon's fucking pissed because if Leon was actually
Speaker 3: hearing the conversations, like they know their mom's full of shit?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think Mary goes on like a
Speaker 1: total campaign to win Leon over. She does even has
Speaker 1: somebody else who is a victim of a catfish or
Speaker 1: the same catfish come into town and take Leon out
Speaker 1: to dinner to try and talk to Leon about how
Speaker 1: your mother was taking it fantage of and Leon's just like,
Speaker 1: don't bother me with this shit for real.
Speaker 3: It's also not Leon's problem, Like why are we involving
Speaker 3: Leon in all of this? Like when Leon is what
Speaker 3: probably eighteen nineteen at this period of time or twenty, Like,
Speaker 3: leave Leon alone, I.
Speaker 1: Do remember Leon also telling Cody very directly, like, I
Speaker 1: love you. My mom should not have done this to you.
Speaker 1: I'm on your side. Yes, that had to have hurt Mary,
Speaker 1: But Mary, you brought this on yourself. Honey. You could
Speaker 1: have handled yourself an integrity. You could have walked away first,
Speaker 1: and then you could have had any relationship that you
Speaker 1: wanted to have. But no, you did it this way,
Speaker 1: and you go without sad.
Speaker 3: And it's like, at this period of time, you still
Speaker 3: have Christine's mom, Annie living with her, and at this
Speaker 3: point in time, the whole family knows that Annie left
Speaker 3: polygamy and left her first marriage because it was so
Speaker 3: awful and terrible.
Speaker 2: So like you have an.
Speaker 3: Actual, real life example of a woman who had the
Speaker 3: courage to leave her shitty fucking marriage and live her
Speaker 3: best life and get remarried and move on from it.
Speaker 3: Like it wasn't like you were like stuck in this
Speaker 3: echo chamber, this bubble where you didn't have any example
Speaker 3: of anybody in your community leaving polygamy like you absolutely
Speaker 3: could have.
Speaker 2: And I feel like we've.
Speaker 3: Talked about it with these other rewinds in these earlier seasons,
Speaker 3: Like Cody has always said, you can leave if you want.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna keep you here forever because I'm not
Speaker 3: this authoritative, you know, patriarch that's like locked you in
Speaker 3: a basement or whatever. Like you can leave if you want.
Speaker 3: Janelle even left the marriage or like on twice and
Speaker 3: moved out of the family, so like you could have
Speaker 3: done it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like trying to presume that Mary
Speaker 1: was having some sort of crisis of faith really doesn't
Speaker 1: pan out when you listen to those recordings and how
Speaker 1: much Mary's cussing, how drunk Mary is, how she's talking
Speaker 1: out the side of her neck about her husband. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much faith she had at that point.
Speaker 1: Maybe she came back to faith. And she did say
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, like, one thing that
Speaker 1: I got out of this terrible situation in which I
Speaker 1: was targeted by gang stalkers is that it returned me
Speaker 1: to my faith to some degree.
Speaker 3: Well only because she said that Sam slash Jackie was
Speaker 3: talking about their religion right and talking shit about their
Speaker 3: faith system, and she was like, Oh, that made me
Speaker 3: question it and made me realize that I had to
Speaker 3: come back to God.
Speaker 1: Okay, are right.
Speaker 3: I feel like the reality of the situation was, Oh,
Speaker 3: maybe Sam and Jackie have a point, Maybe my religion
Speaker 3: is bullshit.
Speaker 1: I think the reality of the situation is that at
Speaker 1: this point, Mary's a fucking drunk, and Christine's on opiates,
Speaker 1: and Janelle has checked out and Robin is taking all
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, that's the reality of the situation. But
Speaker 1: we the audience have to sit in this room with
Speaker 1: fucking Nancy talking about this made up situation, and for me,
Speaker 1: it was enraging.
Speaker 3: It was pretty raging, and it was unraging for Robin too,
Speaker 3: because she gets frustrated with Mary, and I think what
Speaker 3: she's really frustrated with is like the whole situation, Like,
Speaker 3: why are you guys doing this to me?
Speaker 2: I'm about to have a baby. It's all about me.
Speaker 1: It's about me. The focus should be on me.
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: We got my dream called to sack, my dream home.
Speaker 3: I've got my dream backyard, i got my dream.
Speaker 2: Media, full access to the LLC.
Speaker 3: Honey, I've got all the money, I've got the legal marriage,
Speaker 3: my kids are adopted, and now you're gonna get kidded,
Speaker 3: you fucking.
Speaker 1: I think she loved the fact that Mary got catfished
Speaker 1: because she could come in at this point and pretend
Speaker 1: that she was there for Mary. Right, I'm here for you, honey.
Speaker 1: I get it you were targeted. But behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: she's orchestrating the entire thing because she wants the downfall
Speaker 1: of Mary. She wants to emerge as the pre eminent
Speaker 1: head bitch in charge.
Speaker 3: I also thought it was interesting that this is like
Speaker 3: one of the few scenes where we see Robin with
Speaker 3: literally no makeup on. Yeah, and I'm like, huh, interesting,
Speaker 3: interesting choice.
Speaker 1: She needs the make up, a little bit of a
Speaker 1: lizard person right sitting down copless. God, she's pregnant, she's tired.
Speaker 1: Any I'm not putting on makeup either, sure, but she's
Speaker 1: a demon totally and you could see.
Speaker 2: You could the mask was off. I'm like, damn, yep,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: And so we kind of end the episode with Mary
Speaker 3: kind of getting upset with Cody because Cody's expressing his
Speaker 3: feelings about this about how He's like, I'm confused and
Speaker 3: you pushed me out and then you had this emotional
Speaker 3: affair with this dude and it's kind of weird to me.
Speaker 3: And Mary says something like, well, Cody, if you had
Speaker 3: taken better care of our relationship, Like, I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been so vulnerable to be attacked by this online gangstalker.
Speaker 3: So again putting the blame.
Speaker 1: On how many men have we heard say something like
Speaker 1: this to their wives after they cheat on them. Well,
Speaker 1: if you would have given me the punani, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have had to cheat. Or well, if you would have
Speaker 1: treated me better and I didn't feel so alone after
Speaker 1: you had the baby, I wouldn't have cheated. It's the
Speaker 1: same fucking thing.
Speaker 3: But we don't have sympathy for the men when they
Speaker 3: say that. But now we have to have sympathy for Mary.
Speaker 2: She said it, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: And so then Cody gets up to hug Mary because
Speaker 3: she's crying at this point, and he says it's okay,
Speaker 3: and she apologized.
Speaker 1: But he's looking off with this thousand yard stare.
Speaker 2: He's pissed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pissed.
Speaker 3: He's pissed and he's hurt. And honestly, I know we
Speaker 3: hate Cody, but like, if we look at this objectively,
Speaker 3: like I kind of get it, your wife cheated on.
Speaker 1: You based on the agreements that they all made in
Speaker 1: this relationship, then he was betrayed, but based on the
Speaker 1: reality that he's been cheating on all these bitches the
Speaker 1: entire time. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: And he sucks too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you did this to yourself because you refuse
Speaker 3: to have sex with Mary for seven years.
Speaker 1: Take care of any of your wives except for Robin.
Speaker 2: Except for Robin. So like, what the fuck do you
Speaker 2: expect Cody?
Speaker 1: Right, he doesn't affect. He does not expect to be betrayed,
Speaker 1: He does not expect to be disrespected as the patriarch
Speaker 1: of this family. It is a wound to his narcissistic pride.
Speaker 3: And like I've said before a million times, like Cody
Speaker 3: genuinely wanted all of the wives to just fall in
Speaker 3: line and just be okay with the fact that he
Speaker 3: would never have sex with them ever again, never nurture
Speaker 3: their relationships, just kind of be friends or whatever, use
Speaker 3: their money to pay for him and Robin and their
Speaker 3: mcmanson so that way he could live.
Speaker 2: Happily ever after with her. Like that's what he expected.
Speaker 3: Yes, So like fuck Cody, Yeah, forever for her forever,
Speaker 3: but also fuck Mary. So anyway, Cody hugs Mary and
Speaker 3: she's crying or whatever, and she apologizes and she states
Speaker 3: for the camera and for everybody she didn't have an affair.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. Lies.
Speaker 3: So then we get to the rest of the season
Speaker 3: preview Robin's big and prego. She's getting ultrasounds, and.
Speaker 2: She ultimately gives birth to baby Ari.
Speaker 3: And you know, God bless but I don't care. We
Speaker 3: have Maddie who's shopping for wedding dresses and ultimately we're
Speaker 3: going to see her shop for wedding venues and I
Speaker 3: think she gets married this season. I'm not sure. We
Speaker 3: have Garrison talking to Cody and Janelle about joining the
Speaker 3: National Guard, and of course we have to shit on
Speaker 3: him for that. And we have Janelle saying that he's
Speaker 3: seventeen so he thinks he's invincible, and you know, Cody
Speaker 3: and Janelle are ultimately very dubious about him joining the
Speaker 3: National Guard. We have Cody and Robin talking to Mary
Speaker 3: about something where they say, Mary, this isn't personal, and
Speaker 3: Mary gets kind of emotional and defensive and says, but
Speaker 3: it kind of feels like it though, and it kind
Speaker 3: of feels like there's a lack of trust. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure what this is about. Yeah, And then Cody saying
Speaker 3: to the camera that he just wants to run away.
Speaker 3: From the Storm aka Mary. And then we have Mary
Speaker 3: and Leon. I think this is when Leon is up
Speaker 3: in Utah for college or something and Mary comes and
Speaker 3: visits them, and Leon is very obviously pissed at Mary,
Speaker 3: and Mary tries to apologize to Leon, and Leon cries
Speaker 3: to the camera and it's like, I'm never gonna forgever,
Speaker 3: I'm never gonna forget her, So yeah, based and then.
Speaker 2: Leon also talks about Mary's eyebrows and I can't wait
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that either. I think that's when
Speaker 1: they're in Hawaii, when I don't know.
Speaker 3: And then the family does a prank with eyebrows. They
Speaker 3: all draw their eyebrows on really Phe God really so
Speaker 3: like prank Leon about it because it gets around the whole.
Speaker 2: Family that Leon was shitting on Mary for her eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Away, Leon, I mean, somebody's gotta I loved that it's
Speaker 1: her own child that's keeping her in check.
Speaker 2: And it would be because that's usually how it is.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we Beatrice. This was a long episode. Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: for hanging in with us, But I mean I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I was angry, I was dubious,
Speaker 1: I wasn't believing all the bullshit, but I was entertained
Speaker 1: me too. Is there anything else that we need to
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