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Speaker 1: Hello Andrew, Welcome to Reality TV Cringe as we are

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here to talk sister was honey. We are launching ourselves

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straight into season ten and what a hard launch for

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the Catfish. It was. Yeah. Now, before we get into it,

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we do you have to warn you to please how'd

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your wife?

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Speaker 2: If you're hat those little kids.

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Speaker 1: At home in the closet, this isn't irreverent podcast. We're stupid. Yeah,

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we say dumb things, we use swear words and everything,

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and so if.

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Speaker 2: You're a sensity, the same for you.

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Speaker 1: You might want to find yourself another dumpster. But if

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you're ready to bring doctor Nancy into the dumpster so

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we can listen to Mary l about the Catfish, then

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welcome to this dumpster.

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Speaker 3: And if you like what we do over here, please

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Speaker 1: It really is. Now. If you are watching on YouTube,

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please do not forget to like and comment and share

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on subscribe and also get up off your booties and

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give your girls a high. Please get in the pit

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and try to love someone. Every single thing you do

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helps us in the algo allegedly, and so thank you.

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Speaker 3: In he thinks.

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Speaker 1: Now, I do have to say that I was noticing

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that our last Sister Wives video was hyped up. Yeah,

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we have like one hundred and eighty five thousand hype points.

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Oh my gosh, we've got a little bit of a

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raccoon army out there that's willing to do the tough things.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate that so much.

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Speaker 1: I was really happy. So thank you, guys. Thanks. Now,

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before we get into it, I just I do have

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to ask you, Beatrice, whether you had any thoughts or

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any feelings after watching this episode.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of thoughts and I had a

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lot of feelings tell us about But we'll get to

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the catfish part later. My takeaway is going to be good.

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It's gonna be angelic this week. Little baby Soul and

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Truly are so cute.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, Truly is so annoying.

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Speaker 2: She's adorable. She's only four.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, you are not. She's not a door. She's

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she's always putting her hands on him and screaming in

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his face.

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Speaker 2: She's a little kid.

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Speaker 1: She's annoying. She's sorry, I'm just kissed annoying to me.

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I thought they were okay. I have a takeaway, and

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I just want to say that I was filled with

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rage flames the side of my face because the audacity

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of the Browns, and in particular Mary and these lying

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who lie. All they do is lie. I had to

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stop the episode midwatch and like go on Google and

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through the archives, and I thought to myself, hey, I

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think there are some actual recordings out there of Mary

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and her various and sundry conversations with the catfish Sam.

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And sure enough there were Reddit posts. And then you

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sent me a link to the actual recordings of Mary

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leaving messages for Sam slash Jackie, in which she is

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completely in love with Sam. She is talking about how

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handsome he is and how passionate they are together, and

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how much she's so much more handsome than Cody. And

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so then after I listened to the messages, I turned

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the episode back on and I watched the scene where

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they're having a family meeting and she's making herself out

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to be a victim and look, we're going to talk

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about it at the time, but like you, I know,

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they lie so much, they're so dis they can't tell

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the truth for anything, and it was really pressing me off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was getting pissed off, specifically when Nancy came

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into the picture and we're having this family discussion about

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it and Mary's just like crying and talking about how she's.

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Speaker 1: Been a bull I was targeted. They sought me out.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at that.

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Speaker 1: They're verbally abusing me, and they're bugging my house and

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stuff like that. The only way Jackie could have bugged

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your house is if you invited her into your house. Yeah, right,

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so why are you inviting these people into your house?

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only person who was dubious and not buying Mary's bullshit

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was Cody. Yeah, which was interesting is Cody, And I'm like,

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come on, Cody. And actually Robin was the one who

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called it an affair and at the end of the episode,

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and I know I'm skipping ahead, but I was so triggered.

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can say is like, I'm here, I didn't have an affair,

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and I'm strong, like.

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Speaker 3: When in the voicemail, She's literally like, I love you.

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Speaker 1: So I love you, I love you, I love you,

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I fucking love you. I'm like, Mary, you absolutely had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just call it what it is.

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Speaker 1: Robin did. I wonder what she thought when she saw

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so I'm jumping ahead. I was just angry and

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I'm putting it out there without further ado. Let's get

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into our recap of Sister Wives Season ten, episode one,

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and Tato Tote.

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Speaker 3: Catfishing Fallout dun And this was a really long episode

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and it was filled with a lot of like filler

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at the beginning, Like we'll kind of skim through some

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of it because it.

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Speaker 1: Was quite frankly Boro.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but we have a few things going on. We

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obviously have the aftermath of the catfish because at the time,

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after especially after like the tell all and everything this

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was in the new was in the tabloids. I'm sure

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Mary's photos got leaked. I'm sure the voicemails and stuff

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got leaked at the same time. So like a lot

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of it was coming out, they obviously had to do

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some damage control, So we kind of talk about it

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at the beginning of the episode a little bit about

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how Mary you know, wanted to tell the family in Alaska,

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but then decided halfway through telling them that it wasn't

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the good, the best time to tell them, so she

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gave him like a half baked, you know, confession, and

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then after they filmed, then she told the family privately.

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talk about that later. Right now, we got to focus

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on the fact that Maddie is moving out. She is

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getting a rental up in Montana, which is where Caleb

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is at at the time. He's working there, and she

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wants everybody to know she's not moving in with Caleb. Sure,

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jam but she totally is absolutely moving in with him,

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and she ultimately gets engaged. In this episode, we get

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the announcement of her getting engaged, and it's sweet and

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they're in love and like whatever, but she's like ready

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to leave. Oh yes, like coming home for like a

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week and then packs up all her shit and she's like,

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I'm ready to bout bye.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought that it was interesting that her best

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friend and I'm skipping ahead a little bit because they

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go out to dinner with her best friend Desi, and

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Cody of course has to insinuate himself into the dinner

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because it was a dinner for Desi to actually meet

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me Caleb. But Cody's there, Christine's there, and Janelle's there,

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and anyway, Desi says at some point something like, well, yeah,

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she's been talking about you for three years. Three years,

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three years, so I think right here, Maddie is nineteen

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years old. Yeah, she's only been to college for one year,

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she was going to college in Utah. Now she's moving

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up to Billings, Montana. She's been talking to him for

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three years, so since she's sixteen years old, according to Desi,

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and that's when Caleb was twenty six or twenty seven.

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the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty six, more power

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to them. They got four kids and everything. But you

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can't tell me that's not weird. You can't tell me

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that's not grooming or something. If he was talking to

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her for three years. And then they kind of talk

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about how they had spent a night when they first

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met up on a mountain with the four wheeler talking

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and so was Mattie sixteen years old when that happened.

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Was Caleb twenty six? I don't know. It's just gross.

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Speaker 3: Well, and did you notice that when Desi brought that up,

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like she's been talking about him for three years, Maddie's like, no, no, no,

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it was like two years. So if she is nineteen

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at the time of this recording, that would put her

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at seventeen talking about him. So she's like trying to

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skirt it a little bit. Yes, And it's like, okay,

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let's just call it as it is. It's weird to me.

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gung ho and so supportive about it, like they're not

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even and I because they like Caleb. They think that

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he's a good guy.

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Speaker 1: It's also part of their culture to marry children. Totally,

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so totally. I mean, I know they deny this, but

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I'm talking about like Mormonism and fundamentalist Mormonism, and they

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are fundamentalist Mormons. It is part of their culture to

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exploit children. Well in this way.

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Speaker 3: I was also thinking about Michelty and Tony because I

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know that with Mannye and Caleb. They want to get

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married right away. They get engaged and they want to

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get married less than a year out in June or whatever.

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I know that Tony and McKelty start having a relationship

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pretty quickly right around this time, and then McKelty also

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wants to get married pretty close to Madison because she's

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kind of competing with her and she wants the attention

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or whatever. But I remember the episodes where mckelti's introducing

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Tony and her relationship with him, and everybody's like, not supportive.

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kind of fucked up. Like, so we're really happy that

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Madison's dating a thirty year old dude and like he

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probably groomed her allegedly or whatever. But when we have

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Tony and michelt then it's like, you guys are too young.

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I remember Christine's like, you're too young, you're rushing it,

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you don't know if you like him or whatever, And

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I just think that that's so lame.

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is it because McKelty is the black sheep and maybe

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she's a bit more childlike and is this an actual

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protective instinct for Christine and Cody or is it because

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they're racist maybe, or is it because, like a lot

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of us, when we first met Tony, we did not

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like him because he was strange. Look sure, she's very strange,

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look yes, but he was also very tat told too

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money and this and that. This is why we call

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him too many tacos Tony, because he's asking for a

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lot and not giving much in return. So we were

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put off by him. But when you do compare it

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to Caleb and Maddie, it seems quite unfair.

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Speaker 3: And it's like you cannot like your kid's significant other

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or like not prefer them or whatever. And I get

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that that's fine, but it's the fact that they just

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like weren't even supportive of the relationship in general that

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I'm just like, okay, but we're fine with nineteen year

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old Mattie right marrying a thirty year old Okay, whatever,

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because they're in love, and because more importantly, Cody loves Caleb,

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and like that's a theme for the first half of

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this episode, is like Cody obsessed with Caleb, Like Maddie

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comes home to visit and also pack up all our

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shit so she can move to Montana, and then Caleb

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joins with his big old truck, and Cody's like, man,

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I love your big old truck, and like, can I

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drive up in the truck with you and hang out

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with you on the drive. I know that you want

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to like be with my daughter like any normal boyfriend,

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but you know, can I drive in the truck with

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you and talk with you and have some man time?

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Speaker 2: And like everybody in.

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Speaker 3: The family is talking about how obsessed Cody is with

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Caleb and how they think that maybe Caleb's just being

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nice to him and probably doesn't like him. It's just

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weird to me me too, the blanket support and everything.

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was kind of sentimental, like really sentimental with Maddie in particular,

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and how Christine made a comment about how Maddie had

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always been a daddy's girl and you know, Cody was

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her rock and now he flashed forward to twenty twenty

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six and she's like no contact with him and calling

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him a narcissist and that sucks, man, It's really shitty.

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But I liked some of the moments with Cody just

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being really sweet with Madison and how he wants to

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be involved in like the wedding venue process and like

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planning her wedding, and when she's moving out, Robin wants

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to give her her broken down, krusty ass old couch,

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and Cody wants to fix it for Maddie right away

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before they pack it up because he doesn't want to

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send her home with a shitty couch.

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Speaker 1: It feels genuine, right, Yeah, like a dad, which is

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so strange. It's super Usually it's all for the cameras

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and maybe there's some of that as well, but he

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does seem to have a particular affection for Maddie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's sad how it's devolved to the point where he's

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no contact with her and no contact with the majority

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of his og children. But like, I don't know, looking

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back on it, I know we hate Cody, I know

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he's a monster or whatever, but there's like these little

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glimmers where I'm like, well, he did love his kids

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at one point, yes, you know, And so that's kind

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of the first portion of the episode is Maddie moving

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out and she's in love with Caleb or whatever, and

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then you know, Robin's big and pregnant and she's getting

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an ultrasound to make sure her baby's in the right position.

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Speaker 1: Did you see her stretch marks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to point it out every time it

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comes up, because Robin made that iconic statement about how

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Cody was such a good man because he loved the

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OG three even though they were out of shape and

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had stretch marks. But you know, when she lifts her

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shirt and we do the ultrasound, we see a bunch

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of stretch marks there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're gonna body shame the other women, right,

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But you have stretch marks too, And Cody doesn't care

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no obviously, But she's checking out on her baby, and

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she's like moving stuff around at her house that way

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some baby can share rooms. And it's just like every

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time there's a segment that's like focused on Robin, I

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just don't give a shit.

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Speaker 1: I go, I go somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: Dimensionally, it's like I can't feel anything for her other

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than hatred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were moments in this episode where I wondered

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as well whether she was being genuine, particularly with her

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support for Mary. Uh huh. So, I mean I think

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she's still somewhat human in these earlier seasons, but she's

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definitely tipping over into gargoyle.

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Speaker 3: Litt Yeah, and like, you know, we've talked at length

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about the theory of like was Robin planning from the

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very beginning? Did she start planning after the legal divorce?

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Like when did her devilishness take over? And I don't

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know if you support the idea that maybe Robin wasn't

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evil from the very beginning. I could see how watching

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this back, maybe this was like the point with the catfishing,

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where like Robin started to crystallize into her demonic form

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because she realized, like, oh, everybody here's fucked up. Let

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me manipulate the situation even more to make sure I

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secure my empire and secure my dragon hoard, and I

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can live. I can live my life with my knee in,

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you know, Because there were some moments too that I

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was thinking, hmm, maybe you are a little human, I

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don't know, yeah, or maybe this is just pregnancy Robin hormonal, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, can't help but have a little empathy. I'm not sure.

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And that's the sad part is that we can't be

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sure we really based on what we've seen in later seasons,

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she's so terrible.

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Speaker 2: She is really really awful and so fake, Like.

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Speaker 1: How do you get that terrible? If that wasn't inside

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you all the whole time?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Was there anything else at the beginning of this episode

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before we get to the catfish conversation, I mean.

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Speaker 1: We did travel up to Billings. We moved Maddie into

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her very small home. It was very cute. As soon

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as I saw it, I'm like, Caleb's going to live

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there with you? Totally. I think y'all are banging.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask about that because I'm like, yeah,

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y'all are fuck I think so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he's twenty six and talking to a

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sixteen year old, you have to ask yourself why, what's

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the impulse and the instinct. It's probably sexual in nature.

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I would not be a bit surprised. I would imagine

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that they're boinkin' for surely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But Maddie wants us to know that she's not

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moving in with Caleb. He's got his own place down

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the street or something.

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Speaker 1: Right, because a producer actually asks her directly, like is

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Caleb going to live with you? And she kind of smiles,

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She's like, oh no, no, no, not all he is. Yeah,

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they're having sex totally. They're fucking hardcore. I can't blame him.

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I mean, oh, I mean he's old. But like when

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I was young and married when I was eighteen, your

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horny is when I was dating him before. I was

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just returned from Fiji on a mission, not a Mormon

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mission but an Evangelical mission and.

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Speaker 2: Man making out everybody, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Met my husband, my first husband, I was eighteen years

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old and we lived together first.

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Speaker 3: And did you have sex before marriage like a heathen?

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Speaker 1: I sure did a lot. I was my Samoan husband. Honey. Yeah,

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it's a long story.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've told them this story. We won't

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probably not.

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Speaker 1: We could, but I mean not now. Maybe at some

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point maybe on Patreon. Yeah, they did have a first

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husband that I married at a very young age, and

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he was a Samoan man. Yeah, the Rock.

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of firsts with him.

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Speaker 1: I did he did anyway?

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the Catfish. So back in Vegas, Yes, after.

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Speaker 3: We've moved Maddie into her house with her living boyfriend

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to a.

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Speaker 1: Fan who's grown a doll, a grown thirty year old man, right.

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Speaker 3: We returned back home and we congregate at Mary's sad,

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dour house with her ugly furniture terrible, and all of

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the family, like all of the adults come over along

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with Nancy the.

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Speaker 2: Therapist to have a very in depth discussion.

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Speaker 1: What good is she? I mean, I know we're about

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to get into the scene, but like, what does she contribute?

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She's a horrible She just taking fucking notes, that's all

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she's doing. She's terrible.

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Speaker 2: And she sat down.

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Speaker 3: I literally laughed out loud because she's like, so tell me,

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I don't tell me about the catfish Mary. And then

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it's just like a conversation between the five adults and

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she's just sitting there observing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're no doctor.

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Speaker 1: Orna, no, and we're not trying to get into the

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truth of what actually happens so that we can heal

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this family. You're just a production plant helping them to

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whitewash this entire situation and continue to lie. Great job,

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Nancy the therapist.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't do anything therapeutic at all, Like she doesn't

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challenge anybody, She doesn't ask anybody to like reevaluate their

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perspective on it. Like she just sits there and is

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like validating everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how were you not challenging Mary in this moment.

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It's maybe it's something you would do in individual therapy,

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but y'all chose to sit down, the five of you

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in front of Nancy, and you're just going to let

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Mary lie anyway, I'm jumping ahead, go on, girl.

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Speaker 3: Well, we start off with Mary again talking about how

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she had planned to tell the family about what was

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happening in Alaska, and then when she had sat down

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at the dinner table or whatever at that restaurant, she

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started talking to them and then realized that it wasn't

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the best time to ruin this beautiful vacation by talking

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about her online affair, and so she kind of skirted

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around it, didn't tell them until after everybody was super shocked,

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and Mary to the camera says, there were a lot

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of details that I revealed to the family that were very,

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very shocking to them, and I know that there's a

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lot of her feelings.

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Speaker 2: So we got to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: And like again, the way that we introduce it with

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Nancy there is victimizing Mary about how she was taken

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advantage of. We hear from Robin on the Couch a

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lot a lot actually with her commentary about how they

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were all very hurt and betray you and felt like

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this was a big shock. Robin is the one, like

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you said, who uses the word affair, and she says

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that that was her first impression of this whole situation,

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but then as she learned more about it, she realized

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that Mary was abused.

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Speaker 1: Did she even say that? Did she negate the affair?

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I think she did?

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Speaker 3: Did? She was like it, I realized it wasn't that. Yeah,

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But I'm like, okay, I know you and Cody are

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talking about it as if it's an affair.

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Speaker 1: We know you've deployed Kendra to be in the middle

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of the cat fish situations, so you and Cody have

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been on this the entire time.

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Speaker 3: And what's crazy is Mary in this episode was saying

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that she told the whole family together after the Alaska trip,

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but then with Nancy, Nancy asks Mary, when did you

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finally decide to come clean and tell everybody the truth?

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Mary says, well, actually I told only Robin first. Because

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the family was again at another family trip for Hunter.

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I think it was some like ceremony for him or whatever,

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and they were all staying in hotels and Mary went

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into Robin's hotel room and broke down sobbing and told

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her everything, and then they told the rest of the family.

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Speaker 1: So I just don't know when the family actually knew.

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And that's kind of what's driving me a little crazy

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because I've felt in Alaska like they all knew already.

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Speaker 3: It kind of felt like that a little bit, but

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the way that Mary was saying it was like she

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wasn't telling him the whole truth. And we kind of

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talked about that last week about how the way it

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was framed and filmed in Alaska felt like she wasn't

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saying what it actually was.

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Speaker 2: Like she was just saying, I'm gonna leave.

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Speaker 1: And wouldn't everybody like say something about that, Like right,

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I would stop what I'm doing, would put my fork down,

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like what do you mean you're gonna leave? Like we're

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a family, what are you talking about? Nobody did that.

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This is why I think they already knew about it,

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that this is just them trying to rugsweep.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of this is damage control and

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like them trying to keep everything together because they don't

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want to lose their TLC contract, not like they would.

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Speaker 2: Because TLC feeds off of this shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they love the family destruction narrative.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, I bet the ratings were great during the Catfish.

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Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: We got a couple comments on Patreon saying that, like

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the Catfish was what actually saved the show because the

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show was so fucking boring, and like you guys know

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from our recaps of season nine, for the majority of it,

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it was hell boring, Like there wasn't a lot of

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substance there, so, like I could see even back then

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people seeing like who even watches the show?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Who even cares about these people? But then the Catfish

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comes out and ratings are skyrocketing, so I don't know

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who knows when the family actually found out the truth

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about this whole thing. I think you're right. Mary was

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probably forced to have this conversation. I think a lot

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of this was like damage control, just trying to protect

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the narrative because, you know, we get into it and

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Robin says, you know, I realized that it wasn't an affair.

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I'm paraphrasing. I realized it wasn't an affair. Mary was

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being emotionally blackmailed, and then we have this whole like

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thing from Mary about I'm threatening and it was abused,

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and it was scary. I was trying to protect everybody.

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Speaker 1: Anytime I wanted to be with my family, they got

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so upset. So I had to isolate myself in a

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top with a banana. I have no other choice. Meanwhile,

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you listen to these recordings, Mary is drunk off her ass,

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like two am in her haunted house, talking about how

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much she loves Sam. So she's drinking, she's internet whuring,

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and we're supposed to just sit here. I mean, I'm

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sure if the audience says listened to that, we're just

475
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,599
supposed to sit here and listen to you. Lie. Mary,

476
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,400
Such a fucking liar, dude.

477
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 3: Literally, the only kernel of truth in terms of like

478
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,160
Mary saying she was taken advantage of is the fact

479
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,119
that this was a catfish. This was a woman who

480
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,839
had a blog who was like cataloging all of this

481
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,880
stuff to kind of I don't know what her motivation

482
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,079
was for catfishing Mary in this way, but like just

483
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,240
you know, cataloging everything and then exposing her like that. Yeah,

484
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,759
that sucks, Sure, that's exploitative totally. I kind of wonder though,

485
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,039
whether Jackie, the real catfish, actually had feelings for Mary

486
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,799
like actually wanted to pursue it or something, because she

487
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,839
did meet Mary a couple of times.

488
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: They took fucking photos together.

489
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: I think she let Jackie into her house. Yeah, so

490
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,759
I think Jackie was maybe into her, but yeah, she

491
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,359
was keeping records.

492
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: And so that's shitty. Yeah you know, but but you're

493
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,839
a TV personality.

494
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: You walked right into it, dummy, and that's my thing.

495
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:13,200
You took pictures, you left messages, that's my thing. How

496
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,079
are you this dumb? Like you did twenty fifth days?

497
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: You did all this and like Mary to the family

498
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,119
with Nancy is saying shit like I had to withdraw

499
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,880
from the family because I was afraid and this person

500
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:31,640
was threatening me and abusing me and being very verbally

501
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,039
like mean to me, and I was worried about what

502
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,200
they would do to our family. I was worried about

503
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,559
what they would do to our business. Like she was

504
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,960
like saying all of these things as reasonings for not

505
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,880
hanging out with the family, not seeing the kids, not

506
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:54,200
being friends with Robin essentially, But those voicemails that you

507
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,200
can still listen to on YouTube, it's crazy, like you

508
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,440
were just going going home and sexting.

509
00:25:59,799 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jackie, you were on the phone all the time.

510
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Your other sister wives noticed it, and Cody starts talking

511
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,839
about how he would come over and she was on

512
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,799
the phone the entire time. She was making friends on

513
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
social media, and Cody was like, I think you should

514
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,960
be careful. But Mary was not listening to Cody, And incidentally,

515
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,559
I think Leon at the same time was telling their mother, like,

516
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,599
you shouldn't be talking to this person. And Leon knew

517
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,799
at the time that Mary was absolutely engaging in an

518
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:30,920
emotional affair and tried to tell Mary that, but Mary

519
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,799
didn't listen to Leon either, And so Cody is trying

520
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,160
to advocate for himself and say something like, well, but

521
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,400
I was here and you turned me away and you

522
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:43,240
didn't want to spend time with me. Is that because

523
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,480
you had feelings for this person? And I hate to

524
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,599
how Mary dances around this, because she says at some

525
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,160
point something like, well, you know, he did say that

526
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,880
Sam the Catfish, he did say that he had love

527
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,000
for me. And Janelle tries to help her here and says, oh, gosh,

528
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,559
that must have been so strange for you and uncomfortable,

529
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,480
and Mary's like, no, no, no, I mean I was flattered,

530
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,680
but she doesn't say what we hear in the recordings,

531
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,240
which is that she loved Sam too and she was

532
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,319
all in at the time. She just dances around it

533
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:24,680
and tries to frame it as her being lonely, all

534
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:29,519
alone once Leon went away to college, and Mary's in

535
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,559
this haunted house all by herself. She doesn't have any friends,

536
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,599
even though in season twenty and in season nineteen we

537
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,680
see all the friends that she used to have in Vegas.

538
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:39,319
So did these people know? Like I don't know? But

539
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,640
she tries to frame it as she was so confused

540
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:47,000
after her divorce from Quarter and it was still alone

541
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,160
and nobody comes over and talks to me, and so

542
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,240
I was vulnerable and they took advantage of meat. No, bitch,

543
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,319
you had an affair.

544
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:58,279
Speaker 3: Because your husband sucks, like right, all of that shit

545
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,680
is valid. It's valid feel lonely, it's valid to feel

546
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,200
abandoned in your relationship. Because Cody did abandon her. He

547
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960
wasn't touching her poon any for many years prior to

548
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,440
the catfish we know this now, and he wasn't visiting her.

549
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,119
She kicked him out of his house. He didn't nurture

550
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,599
their relationship at all. And even Cody says in this

551
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,119
episode that he is at fault a little bit for

552
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,440
this because he didn't take care of their relationship. He

553
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,519
didn't press her when she was trying to push him away.

554
00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:27,519
He just let her push him away. He just didn't

555
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,480
care about it. And he acknowledges that they were struggling

556
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,000
for many years in their relationship and that led Mary

557
00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,440
to be very vulnerable. So, like, all those things are valid.

558
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:41,119
We're not saying that like Mary wasn't mistreated here, it's

559
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:46,279
just that Mary trying to act like this was something

560
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,359
put upon her, like she was targeted. She literally says

561
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,680
that to some gang stocking horde.

562
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,839
Speaker 2: Of people, that's what's crazy.

563
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: That's not what happened, Mary. And it's so uncomfortable for you,

564
00:28:57,559 --> 00:29:02,440
apparently to look in on yourself and check your own

565
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,119
character here the part of you that would be willing

566
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:09,599
to have an affair on Cody. And I'm wondering how

567
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,039
long she was talking to Sam, Like was this even

568
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:16,720
before the legal divorce? When did it start exactly in

569
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:19,559
terms of that timeline, I'm not sure I can tell though,

570
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,680
Like during the adoption, during the legal marriage to Robin,

571
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,599
Mary has already checked out totally. It feels to me

572
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,160
like she was probably talking to Sam for a bit

573
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:34,519
longer than that, Like, I just you did something very wrong,

574
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,960
and yes, you have every reason to feel the way

575
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,200
that you did. And she even starts to cry and says, yeah, Cody,

576
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:42,799
I was really angry at you.

577
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I get there.

578
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: Cody's Sucksacity's a narcissist, is flamboyantly gay. I would have

579
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,039
a problem with that as well. But like, can we

580
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,839
talk about the part that you participated in? Can we

581
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,319
talk about how you contribute to this fucked up relationship?

582
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,720
Can we talk about your integrity and where it went

583
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:02,599
since you've got on the phone with a banana in

584
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,480
your mouth? No, apparently not. And this is why let

585
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:07,279
me just say this. Let me just say, like anybody

586
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,640
who's signing up for these worthy up classes or seminars

587
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:16,119
or whatever, even when by season twenty when she's sitting

588
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,039
down in the tail alls with Sukiana talking about the

589
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,920
catfish but not owning it, she's still not owning it

590
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,119
in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, and she wants

591
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,079
to act as some sort of a mentor or guru

592
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,480
on how to live your best life and have integrity

593
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,279
and be healthy, Like, no, you can't do it unless

594
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,400
you own what you did.

595
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,599
Speaker 3: And that's the part that's so fucking frustrating about it

596
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,200
because you can see, you can see that she had

597
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:44,680
every reason to be checked out of the marriage with

598
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,680
this because her marriage was objectively awful. Okay, but it

599
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,960
doesn't mean that it's okay to go online and have

600
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:56,359
an emotional and lou ky sexual affair with somebody online

601
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,599
when you're sending them dirty pictures of you suck it

602
00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,200
on a banana.

603
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,599
Speaker 1: They were probably masturbating on the phone, they were having

604
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:03,440
phone sex.

605
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: Come on and look like I love that for Mary.

606
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,079
I want her. I want her to have like a

607
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,759
healthy sexual relationship with somebody who cares about her, who's

608
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,000
passionate about her whatever, and like I want her to

609
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,839
not be with Cody. But it's the fact that this

610
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,359
whole thing with the catfish is just framed like Mary

611
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:27,880
was targeted. And it's so funny because Robin and Christine

612
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,039
and Janelle, while they're sitting with Mary in this in

613
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
this living room, are all saying, like the Mary we

614
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:37,200
know would never fall for stuff like this, Like how

615
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,519
could you be so vulnerable? How could you be so stupid,

616
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,720
so stupid essentially to fall for shit like this. And

617
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,640
Janelle even says that, like to the camera, like I

618
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960
can't believe Mary would ever fall for something like this.

619
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,960
This is crazy to me that she would ever even

620
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:57,039
believe the words coming from this person outside of our family.

621
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,519
And Janelle just chalks it up to being naive and

622
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,599
you know, not understanding that this could happen to their family.

623
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
But they're all right, Like, Mary, how could.

624
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: You fall for something like this?

625
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: This is honestly stupid, And like I get it, you're vulnerable,

626
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,240
you're lonely or whatever, but just have the courage, yes

627
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,119
to say, you know what, Cody, our marriage sucks because

628
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,559
you suck and you haven't loved.

629
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: And I suck too, and I said too. Throughout this relationship,

630
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,920
I did a lot of things wrong. And I understand

631
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,119
why you feel estranged from me, and I feel a

632
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,640
stranged from you exactly.

633
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: So like, let me leave peacefully. I'll still be a

634
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,240
part of the family as a friend or whatever, but

635
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960
like I'm done with you because I want to get

636
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720
my kuchie wet, you know, like, just have the courage

637
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,480
to say that. But she doesn't, and that's what sucks.

638
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,839
And to your point, the fact that she hasn't even

639
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,000
admitted to the full extent her responsibility with this to

640
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,440
this day, to this day, right, is even worse.

641
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:57,799
Speaker 1: And she's going to go on to have a major

642
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:03,240
falling out with Leon. This and Leon confronts Mary and

643
00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:04,680
still Mary can't admit it.

644
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,599
Speaker 3: And like, watching this back, I was honestly feeling so

645
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,599
much empathy for Leon and I was actually feeling like, yeah, no,

646
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,599
wonder Leon was so fucking mad at Mary, Because if

647
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920
I was Leon, I would be just as pissed and

648
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,359
I would be a total bitch to my mom if

649
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,519
she was acting like this, especially if I had heard

650
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,400
the conversations right, Like we know Leon had overheard a

651
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,359
lot of these phone conversations with Mary, because Mary was

652
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,839
again stupid enough to have these conversations in front of

653
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,599
her childlife.

654
00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:37,039
Speaker 1: I wonder if Mary was talking to Leon about it.

655
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,359
Speaker 2: Oh, I could see that too, And that's gross.

656
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,079
Speaker 1: Yes, that's terrible.

657
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: That's a terrible place to put your kid.

658
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,359
Speaker 1: Yes, And I just want to say again, and I've

659
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,599
said this before, but how much more interesting would this

660
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:55,160
have been if we did have the full conversation with

661
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,319
Mary and with Cody, in which she said, yeah, I

662
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,680
haven't had sex with my husband first seven years. At

663
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
this point, like he never comes over, and I feel

664
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,039
really lonely and I feel isolated. I don't know what

665
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:08,840
I'm going to do next with my life. And yeah,

666
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
I was vulnerable, but I was really looking for connection.

667
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,000
I was really looking for companionship and the thought that

668
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:18,239
this handsome businessman might be interested in me. Like I

669
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,760
just lost my mind and I absolutely went full on

670
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,000
into an emotional affair. And I was wrong for that.

671
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,639
I should have had those conversations with Cody, and he

672
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,280
should have had those conversations with me, And furthermore, we

673
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,760
should all be having these conversations with each other instead

674
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,159
of pretending to be this upstanding Mormon family, which we

675
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,119
are not. Yeah, like that, to me would have been

676
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,559
so much more interesting, and how many of us would

677
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:45,880
have rallied for Mary. I would have been like, listen,

678
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,599
that's shitty that you did that, But the way that

679
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,320
you explain that makes me understand you and also have

680
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,440
a lot of compassion for you. But she's so invested

681
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,480
in her persona and how she appears to others that

682
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,199
she's not willing to admit it, and I want wonder

683
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,000
if she's even willing to admit it to herself.

684
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: I think that's the real issue, is that she can't

685
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,440
admit it to herself because it's so shameful. Like the

686
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:14,119
act of cheating on your spouse in this way, like

687
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,719
would be very shameful, and you would feel a lot

688
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,119
of regret and you'd be like, why did I do that?

689
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,320
You know, like, and I get that, and I have

690
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,880
empathy for that, but still, it's what you did.

691
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: That's just it.

692
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: It's just what you did.

693
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: That's it's as simple as that.

694
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:32,519
Speaker 1: M h, it's you did. And also if you want

695
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,039
to move on into some sort of mentorship role with somebody,

696
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:41,679
like it makes you have social currency and social trust

697
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,519
when you actually divulge the things that you did incorrectly

698
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,840
and then kind of contextualize that and like and this

699
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,920
is how I learned, and this is how I am

700
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,920
now doing better in my life, and this is how

701
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,639
you can do better too. But when you can't even

702
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,239
admit your fundamental flaws. And she does it to this

703
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,519
day on her Instagram with all her therapy words, and

704
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,199
she'd never says anything with all those words, you pretends

705
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,440
she's got this great life and she's really got the

706
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,199
key to success. No, you don't, because you cannot admit

707
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,199
to even yourself that you had a hand in fucking

708
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:10,800
this all up.

709
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: And like, furthermore, what can you really learn about yourself

710
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,960
or about your life, or about love or whatever from

711
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,960
this situation if you can't be real about it, Like

712
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:25,000
if everything in life is supposed to teach you something fundamental,

713
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,360
like and you're supposed to gain wisdom from it, Like,

714
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:29,840
you can't really gain wisdom from something that you can't

715
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,679
admit the full truth about. Like, it's just it's weird

716
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,159
to me. And you know, she talks about wanting to

717
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,000
meet up with Sam slash Jackie because she had had

718
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:47,840
an inkling that he was lying or whatever. She wants

719
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,920
us to believe that that's the reason why she wanted

720
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,199
to meet this person.

721
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: To me, that you're a real person.

722
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 3: But like the fact that you did that also behind

723
00:36:56,679 --> 00:37:01,400
everybody's back is crazy, because what if Sam was real,

724
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:03,360
then what would you have done?

725
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: She would have left immediately, she would have run off

726
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,639
with him exactly, no questions asked, exactly.

727
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: And it's weird to me that she had all these conversations,

728
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,239
right with Jackie on the phone. And I think people

729
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,159
have said that Jackie was like using some voice altering

730
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:25,320
software or whatever. But Leon, I think was it Leon

731
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,480
or Christine? I forget somebody had said in the family

732
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,679
that when they had overheard the conversations, like you could

733
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,880
tell it wasn't a man on the phone. So then

734
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,400
Mary goes to Disneyland with Jackie aka Sam the Catfish

735
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,679
and takes photos with this person. Yes, and like Jackie

736
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,159
looks like a big old basbian. Okay, let's just be real,

737
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,079
total total lesbian.

738
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 1: What do you call them these days? A mask?

739
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the proper term.

740
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: Honest. What's the difference. I don't have any idea. Later,

741
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,840
she's not a stud, but she's masked. She's a mask.

742
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,159
So she's a top Okay, Like that means she's got

743
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,920
this strap on. Yeah, okay, she's doing she's doing break

744
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,639
it down for Mama over here.

745
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,079
Speaker 3: Yeah okay. So I'm just like wondering did she know

746
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,400
that it was Jackie the whole time?

747
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,559
Speaker 2: Like was she having a list?

748
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,519
Speaker 3: See the question that we have their like, but I

749
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:25,800
don't know the voicemails. Yeah, Mary was saying Sam so

750
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,400
way more attractive than Cody, we'll just say that, yeah,

751
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,679
and we'll leave it there.

752
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

753
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: It's just odd to me that Mary felt like it

754
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,320
was okay. And that's crazy is if.

755
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: She would have, just like I said, talked about this plainly,

756
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360
then we could have moved on to Cody and we

757
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,239
could have examined what was going on with Cody to

758
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,639
put Mary in this kind of vulnerable situation where she

759
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,960
can be predated upon by somebody who's out here trying

760
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,320
to explain her. But because she's covering it up, because

761
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,760
everyone at the time knew she was lying. And I'm

762
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,760
talking about the dumpster and I'm talking about the audience,

763
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,679
like we all knew she was lying. It's clear that

764
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,239
she's lying.

765
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: We heard the recordings.

766
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Now we're focused on you and how much you suck,

767
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:10,280
And now we're gonna focus on you and Leon and

768
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,880
your terrible relationship because you can't bring yourself to tell

769
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,119
the truth when we could be talking about how Cody

770
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,239
is a terrible husband to you and to everybody else exactly,

771
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,960
but now we can't do that, Thanks Mary.

772
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: And maybe that was on purpose, Maybe they didn't want

773
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,800
the heat to be on Cody, like maybe this was

774
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,039
damage control for him because he was so concerned about

775
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,440
his image, and so Mary had to take the heat

776
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:34,679
for everything. I mean rightfully so because she was the

777
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,920
one that had the affair or whatever. But like maybe

778
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,440
that was the reason why we're focusing on Mary being

779
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,079
a victim and Mary being targeted from this online fucking

780
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,760
h I didn't want to I didn't want to say terrorist,

781
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,599
but it's like right, kind of online terrorist. They called

782
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,920
her a predator, like an online predator coming to me

783
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,960
telling me that they loved me.

784
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: Like sidebar. Do y'all know that Sam slash Jackie wrote

785
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,039
a book.

786
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the book is called Almost Married any RII

787
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:11,000
apostrophe ed.

788
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: So this is written by the catfish. I think this

789
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:18,440
book is still obtainable. And in this book, Sam, who

790
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:23,400
again is Jackie, talks about all the conversations that he

791
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,280
had with Mary, all the things that she said, all

792
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,639
the things that went down. We need to get that book.

793
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,159
We should, even if it's full of shit. I still

794
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,800
need to read it. We can reap those recordings, don't lie.

795
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,239
But yeah, that when I was looking it up and

796
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,199
I was finding all this information, it took me to

797
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,199
read it. I sent you actually a screenshot of somebody

798
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,639
talking about something that Sam had written, either in the

799
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,440
blog or in the book about Mary. Maybe it wasn't

800
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,480
the Reddit one. Maybe it was the one from Instagram.

801
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,679
I think it was without a crystal ball. Yeah.

802
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 3: So this is an excerpt from the book talking about

803
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:03,159
what Mary told Sam. So the excerpt reads, quote, we

804
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,360
started talking early March, and throughout the entire affair, she

805
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:10,400
told me she had stopped sleeping with him Cody, and

806
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:14,239
also had actually started sleeping upstairs in the spare room

807
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,719
because she didn't want him near her anymore. It was

808
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,239
in May when she actually kicked him out of the

809
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,480
house and asked him not to stay over anymore. He

810
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,559
fought it at first, but finally agreed, and he would

811
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,880
pop over to see her from time to time, but

812
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,519
for the most part, they wouldn't speak or see each

813
00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:34,039
other for three or four days in a row. He

814
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,760
completely gave up trying to work on it because she

815
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,440
said he was done too. The marriage had been over

816
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,239
for years. She told me that the last straw for

817
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
her was when he took the wedding band that she

818
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,320
gave him during their wedding ceremony and melted it down.

819
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,760
He told her he didn't want it to be a

820
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,639
contention point with the other wives, so he had melted

821
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,039
it down and put into a piece of jewelry for

822
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,320
another daughter, not her daughter. She said, she is a

823
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,480
sentimental person and when he did that, it showed her

824
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,159
how much the marriage meant to him, which was nothing.

825
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,480
She said, it hurt her feelings because he could have

826
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,039
given it back to her to hold on to for

827
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,679
her daughter's future husband, or at least let her have

828
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,039
it for a keepsake. That was years ago, she told me,

829
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,920
and she told me how upsetting.

830
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: It was for her, and it really hurt.

831
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: So I think the reason that that's so interesting is because,

832
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,320
of course it comes out in season nineteen and Christine

833
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,239
is the one to divulge that Cody did in fact

834
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,079
melt down her ring. Yes, so this is years after

835
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:38,280
the catfish actually happens. So how would Sam slash Jackie

836
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,119
have known about that unless Mary really did tell Jackie.

837
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,599
And again, this is like a little tidbit that is

838
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,000
in the book that maybe we will cover on Patreon

839
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,280
because it sounds like supreme mess and I'm into it,

840
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,360
but I'm just like going back to how stupid Mary

841
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:02,719
has to be to devult this kind of truly sensitive

842
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,360
information to someone that you've never met as far as

843
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,199
you know, you've never physically met this person. Yes, you've

844
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960
talked to them, you've had mutual masturbation or whatever, but

845
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,400
you don't know this person and you're talking about shit

846
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,960
like this family secrets like this is just wild to

847
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:24,239
me how naive you are, but also how stupid you are.

848
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,119
Speaker 3: And it does give credence to the fact that Mary

849
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,559
was very vulnerable and very lonely, and obviously she didn't

850
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,920
have anybody to talk to at this period in time

851
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,440
of her life.

852
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,519
Speaker 1: But I contend that she had friends. She was talking

853
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:38,920
to Jem And it's actually, why.

854
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: Didn't you tell your friends, Why didn't you go over

855
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,239
to Jen's house if you were friends with her at

856
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,599
this period of time and like have a couple glasses

857
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,320
of wine and cry on her shoulder like a normal person.

858
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did. I'm sure she had already done.

859
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,039
Speaker 3: That maybe, but it just shows that Mary obviously was

860
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:55,480
going through a hard time, and it.

861
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,639
Speaker 1: Shows that she's stupid. Totally shows that she's stupid.

862
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,519
Speaker 3: Like why are you talking to this man that's like

863
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:06,119
this handsome supermodel or whatever? And you're like thinking that

864
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,159
he's a real person, that he's falling in love with you.

865
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,320
Like that's crazy to me.

866
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the show Catfish on MTV

867
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:15,639
was on for like four years by then. Oh yeah,

868
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,360
at least it was in the consciousness of humans. Yeah,

869
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,239
that this was happening all the time, all over the place. Like, yeah,

870
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,360
you didn't think to ask the question. That's I think

871
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,519
that's why you're sending pictures of yourself in a tub

872
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:29,239
with a banana.

873
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: That's wild.

874
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,119
Speaker 1: It's local hoodie.

875
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,039
Speaker 2: That's like some teenage shit too, like, because I was

876
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,119
totally doing that. I was a teenager.

877
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking to people online, sure, on O

878
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,280
Magel and like talking to total strangers and stuff. But

879
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,800
like I also knew that they were probably not real,

880
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,639
Like I also knew that they're probably fake ass profiles

881
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,960
and stuff like how does a grown woman well?

882
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,119
Speaker 1: And Jane does address how just in terms of their faith,

883
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,840
they're very trusting people. Yeah, I'm very naive and I'm

884
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,559
sure sure there's something to be said for that. But

885
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:08,519
also I wonder like where the arrested development started with Mary, Like,

886
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,960
is she in her mind only fourteen years old or

887
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,320
fifteen years old and still has all of these young

888
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,599
girl fantasies about romance that probably did not pan out

889
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:20,719
with Cody. Okay, get therapies, then.

890
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 3: No, for real, go get therapy, get therapy, Leave your husband,

891
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,960
have the courage to leave him because he obviously fucking sucks,

892
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,079
and just be done with it. But that's what's crazy,

893
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,280
is like, So after all of this happens right with

894
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,239
the Catfish, we know that Mary is still trying to

895
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,719
tell the family that she's loyal to them. She's still

896
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:44,159
simping really hard for Cody, and she does so up until.

897
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,039
Speaker 2: Season nineteen, season twenty, and that's crazy.

898
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: She has to be directly told by Cody multiple times

899
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,199
by the way that he's dead, it's never gonna happen,

900
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,239
we're never getting back together, in order for her to

901
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,480
finally walk away.

902
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just shows that Mary has literally no

903
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,920
self wary and that is sad, and I do have

904
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,760
compassion for that. I want her to get help or whatever.

905
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: Sick of her.

906
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: But even with like just the lack of self worse

907
00:46:08,039 --> 00:46:10,400
and even with her being stupid with this catfish and

908
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:13,000
suck like, she still did something that was wrong.

909
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 2: And that's like the one.

910
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: She's still lying about it till today, and she's trying

911
00:46:17,039 --> 00:46:18,599
to be a guide to people so they could have

912
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,599
better lives. Bitch, tell yourself the truth before you start

913
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:22,760
telling me what the truth is.

914
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: Damn Honestly, when we get to the episodes with Leon

915
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,840
being pissed at Mary, I can't wait. I'm gonna be

916
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,440
reving for Leon. I'm just gonna let you.

917
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: Know, well, I saw that preview and I was like,

918
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,360
get her lay on, like cut on.

919
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 3: Of course Leon's fucking pissed because if Leon was actually

920
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,360
hearing the conversations, like they know their mom's full of shit?

921
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think Mary goes on like a

922
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:50,159
total campaign to win Leon over. She does even has

923
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,800
somebody else who is a victim of a catfish or

924
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,639
the same catfish come into town and take Leon out

925
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:58,440
to dinner to try and talk to Leon about how

926
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,559
your mother was taking it fantage of and Leon's just like,

927
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,960
don't bother me with this shit for real.

928
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: It's also not Leon's problem, Like why are we involving

929
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,159
Leon in all of this? Like when Leon is what

930
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,440
probably eighteen nineteen at this period of time or twenty, Like,

931
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:14,000
leave Leon alone, I.

932
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:18,039
Speaker 1: Do remember Leon also telling Cody very directly, like, I

933
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:20,960
love you. My mom should not have done this to you.

934
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:25,039
I'm on your side. Yes, that had to have hurt Mary,

935
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:26,920
But Mary, you brought this on yourself. Honey. You could

936
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,199
have handled yourself an integrity. You could have walked away first,

937
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:30,920
and then you could have had any relationship that you

938
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,760
wanted to have. But no, you did it this way,

939
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,119
and you go without sad.

940
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 3: And it's like, at this period of time, you still

941
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,559
have Christine's mom, Annie living with her, and at this

942
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,280
point in time, the whole family knows that Annie left

943
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,199
polygamy and left her first marriage because it was so

944
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,360
awful and terrible.

945
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: So like you have an.

946
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,559
Speaker 3: Actual, real life example of a woman who had the

947
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,960
courage to leave her shitty fucking marriage and live her

948
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,639
best life and get remarried and move on from it.

949
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:03,920
Like it wasn't like you were like stuck in this

950
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:07,880
echo chamber, this bubble where you didn't have any example

951
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,400
of anybody in your community leaving polygamy like you absolutely

952
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:13,760
could have.

953
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: And I feel like we've.

954
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 3: Talked about it with these other rewinds in these earlier seasons,

955
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,960
Like Cody has always said, you can leave if you want.

956
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,400
I'm not gonna keep you here forever because I'm not

957
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:29,960
this authoritative, you know, patriarch that's like locked you in

958
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,760
a basement or whatever. Like you can leave if you want.

959
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,760
Janelle even left the marriage or like on twice and

960
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,760
moved out of the family, so like you could have

961
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,199
done it.

962
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like trying to presume that Mary

963
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,079
was having some sort of crisis of faith really doesn't

964
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,280
pan out when you listen to those recordings and how

965
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,679
much Mary's cussing, how drunk Mary is, how she's talking

966
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,639
out the side of her neck about her husband. Like,

967
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,559
I don't know how much faith she had at that point.

968
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,440
Maybe she came back to faith. And she did say

969
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,199
at the end of the episode, like, one thing that

970
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,519
I got out of this terrible situation in which I

971
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:15,559
was targeted by gang stalkers is that it returned me

972
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,280
to my faith to some degree.

973
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,199
Speaker 3: Well only because she said that Sam slash Jackie was

974
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,920
talking about their religion right and talking shit about their

975
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,480
faith system, and she was like, Oh, that made me

976
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:29,920
question it and made me realize that I had to

977
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:30,760
come back to God.

978
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:32,079
Speaker 1: Okay, are right.

979
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 3: I feel like the reality of the situation was, Oh,

980
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,039
maybe Sam and Jackie have a point, Maybe my religion

981
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:39,599
is bullshit.

982
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: I think the reality of the situation is that at

983
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,760
this point, Mary's a fucking drunk, and Christine's on opiates,

984
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,159
and Janelle has checked out and Robin is taking all

985
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:51,880
the money. Yeah, that's the reality of the situation. But

986
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,320
we the audience have to sit in this room with

987
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,559
fucking Nancy talking about this made up situation, and for me,

988
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:01,679
it was enraging.

989
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: It was pretty raging, and it was unraging for Robin too,

990
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,119
because she gets frustrated with Mary, and I think what

991
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,079
she's really frustrated with is like the whole situation, Like,

992
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:14,039
why are you guys doing this to me?

993
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,119
Speaker 2: I'm about to have a baby. It's all about me.

994
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: It's about me. The focus should be on me.

995
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,559
Speaker 2: Like what the fuck?

996
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,639
Speaker 3: We got my dream called to sack, my dream home.

997
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,199
I've got my dream backyard, i got my dream.

998
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: Media, full access to the LLC.

999
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: Honey, I've got all the money, I've got the legal marriage,

1000
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,639
my kids are adopted, and now you're gonna get kidded,

1001
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,800
you fucking.

1002
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: I think she loved the fact that Mary got catfished

1003
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,559
because she could come in at this point and pretend

1004
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,039
that she was there for Mary. Right, I'm here for you, honey.

1005
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:47,159
I get it you were targeted. But behind the scenes,

1006
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,039
she's orchestrating the entire thing because she wants the downfall

1007
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,840
of Mary. She wants to emerge as the pre eminent

1008
00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:55,199
head bitch in charge.

1009
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: I also thought it was interesting that this is like

1010
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,239
one of the few scenes where we see Robin with

1011
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,159
literally no makeup on. Yeah, and I'm like, huh, interesting,

1012
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:04,679
interesting choice.

1013
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,639
Speaker 1: She needs the make up, a little bit of a

1014
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,559
lizard person right sitting down copless. God, she's pregnant, she's tired.

1015
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,639
Any I'm not putting on makeup either, sure, but she's

1016
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:18,199
a demon totally and you could see.

1017
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,599
Speaker 2: You could the mask was off. I'm like, damn, yep,

1018
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,280
all right.

1019
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 3: And so we kind of end the episode with Mary

1020
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,599
kind of getting upset with Cody because Cody's expressing his

1021
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:32,440
feelings about this about how He's like, I'm confused and

1022
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,440
you pushed me out and then you had this emotional

1023
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:38,360
affair with this dude and it's kind of weird to me.

1024
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,280
And Mary says something like, well, Cody, if you had

1025
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,840
taken better care of our relationship, Like, I wouldn't have

1026
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,800
been so vulnerable to be attacked by this online gangstalker.

1027
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,679
So again putting the blame.

1028
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: On how many men have we heard say something like

1029
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,440
this to their wives after they cheat on them. Well,

1030
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,920
if you would have given me the punani, I wouldn't

1031
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,480
have had to cheat. Or well, if you would have

1032
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,719
treated me better and I didn't feel so alone after

1033
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,360
you had the baby, I wouldn't have cheated. It's the

1034
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:04,519
same fucking thing.

1035
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 3: But we don't have sympathy for the men when they

1036
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,079
say that. But now we have to have sympathy for Mary.

1037
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:10,599
Speaker 2: She said it, I don't.

1038
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:11,159
Speaker 1: I don't.

1039
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: And so then Cody gets up to hug Mary because

1040
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,440
she's crying at this point, and he says it's okay,

1041
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,119
and she apologized.

1042
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,559
Speaker 1: But he's looking off with this thousand yard stare.

1043
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: He's pissed.

1044
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:24,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pissed.

1045
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: He's pissed and he's hurt. And honestly, I know we

1046
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,239
hate Cody, but like, if we look at this objectively,

1047
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,239
like I kind of get it, your wife cheated on.

1048
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,079
Speaker 1: You based on the agreements that they all made in

1049
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,559
this relationship, then he was betrayed, but based on the

1050
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:41,800
reality that he's been cheating on all these bitches the

1051
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,119
entire time. I don't give a fuck.

1052
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: And he sucks too.

1053
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you did this to yourself because you refuse

1054
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,320
to have sex with Mary for seven years.

1055
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Take care of any of your wives except for Robin.

1056
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: Except for Robin. So like, what the fuck do you

1057
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,159
expect Cody?

1058
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,599
Speaker 1: Right, he doesn't affect. He does not expect to be betrayed,

1059
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,920
He does not expect to be disrespected as the patriarch

1060
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:07,000
of this family. It is a wound to his narcissistic pride.

1061
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,639
Speaker 3: And like I've said before a million times, like Cody

1062
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,760
genuinely wanted all of the wives to just fall in

1063
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,599
line and just be okay with the fact that he

1064
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,159
would never have sex with them ever again, never nurture

1065
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,480
their relationships, just kind of be friends or whatever, use

1066
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:23,159
their money to pay for him and Robin and their

1067
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,960
mcmanson so that way he could live.

1068
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: Happily ever after with her. Like that's what he expected.

1069
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: Yes, So like fuck Cody, Yeah, forever for her forever,

1070
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,559
but also fuck Mary. So anyway, Cody hugs Mary and

1071
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,719
she's crying or whatever, and she apologizes and she states

1072
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,440
for the camera and for everybody she didn't have an affair.

1073
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah. Lies.

1074
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,079
Speaker 3: So then we get to the rest of the season

1075
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:50,159
preview Robin's big and prego. She's getting ultrasounds, and.

1076
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: She ultimately gives birth to baby Ari.

1077
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 3: And you know, God bless but I don't care. We

1078
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,159
have Maddie who's shopping for wedding dresses and ultimately we're

1079
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:01,800
going to see her shop for wedding venues and I

1080
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,440
think she gets married this season. I'm not sure. We

1081
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:08,679
have Garrison talking to Cody and Janelle about joining the

1082
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,519
National Guard, and of course we have to shit on

1083
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,119
him for that. And we have Janelle saying that he's

1084
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,000
seventeen so he thinks he's invincible, and you know, Cody

1085
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:21,039
and Janelle are ultimately very dubious about him joining the

1086
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,039
National Guard. We have Cody and Robin talking to Mary

1087
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:31,400
about something where they say, Mary, this isn't personal, and

1088
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,000
Mary gets kind of emotional and defensive and says, but

1089
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:36,239
it kind of feels like it though, and it kind

1090
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,480
of feels like there's a lack of trust. I'm not

1091
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,360
sure what this is about. Yeah, And then Cody saying

1092
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,079
to the camera that he just wants to run away.

1093
00:54:44,119 --> 00:54:49,280
From the Storm aka Mary. And then we have Mary

1094
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,000
and Leon. I think this is when Leon is up

1095
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,280
in Utah for college or something and Mary comes and

1096
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,760
visits them, and Leon is very obviously pissed at Mary,

1097
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,039
and Mary tries to apologize to Leon, and Leon cries

1098
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,519
to the camera and it's like, I'm never gonna forgever,

1099
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:11,639
I'm never gonna forget her, So yeah, based and then.

1100
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 2: Leon also talks about Mary's eyebrows and I can't wait

1101
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:15,480
for that.

1102
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:17,639
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that either. I think that's when

1103
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:21,519
they're in Hawaii, when I don't know.

1104
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,039
Speaker 3: And then the family does a prank with eyebrows. They

1105
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,480
all draw their eyebrows on really Phe God really so

1106
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,760
like prank Leon about it because it gets around the whole.

1107
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,639
Speaker 2: Family that Leon was shitting on Mary for her eyebrows.

1108
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,199
Speaker 1: Away, Leon, I mean, somebody's gotta I loved that it's

1109
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,480
her own child that's keeping her in check.

1110
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,639
Speaker 2: And it would be because that's usually how it is.

1111
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we Beatrice. This was a long episode. Thanks everybody

1112
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,000
for hanging in with us, But I mean I had

1113
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:53,199
a lot of fun. I was angry, I was dubious,

1114
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,199
I wasn't believing all the bullshit, but I was entertained

1115
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:58,840
me too. Is there anything else that we need to

1116
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,000
say to these beautiful racks before we get up on

1117
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:01,519
out of here.

1118
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: Well, if you love our podcast, please go to your

1119
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,840
favorite podcast platform and leave us aglowing five star review.

1120
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: It really helps us grow the pods.

1121
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:11,519
Speaker 3: We can have more people in the dumpster and we

1122
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:12,920
would really appreciate it, so thank you.

1123
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: We will be back next week to continue our journey

1124
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:20,119
through season ten of Sister Wives Untils. Then, please do

1125
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,039
not forget that we have nothing but love for you,

1126
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,920
and please all guys