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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winters,

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<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show

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<v Speaker 1>with Stacy Hervella me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and

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<v Speaker 1>producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacy, I love today's topic. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about lavender. Lavender smells like a spa

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<v Speaker 1>day minus the cost. It's where calm meets color. People

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<v Speaker 1>love lavender. It's also a very misunderstood plant. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those plants that is a perennial but acts like a

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<v Speaker 1>woody shrub. Similar to all the questions we get on

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<v Speaker 1>puning bud Leah's a plant that's a woody shrub that

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<v Speaker 1>acts like a perennial. And I guess I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say Stacy, with all the cultivars. Also, no wonder people

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<v Speaker 1>are confused.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, lavender was one of my first big gardening mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I have not made it since. But before

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<v Speaker 2>we go into lavender, Rick, it's March first, it's meteorological spring.

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<v Speaker 2>We change the background and it is depending on how

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<v Speaker 2>you count it. And Rick definitely is in the meteorological

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<v Speaker 2>going by the months rather than the equinoxes.

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<v Speaker 1>So happy spring, Happy Spring, boy, I've been looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to this. We're going to thaw out here in the

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<v Speaker 1>north and enjoy spring for all it's worth. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>lavender is one of those plants Stacey, that you should

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<v Speaker 1>not prune in the fall or in winter. At least.

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<v Speaker 1>My recommendation is, if you want to be successful with lavender,

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<v Speaker 1>prune it in the spring, just as we're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>see some growth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is the key. Let the plant tell you

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<v Speaker 2>when and where to cut. And you know, lavender is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit like it is like buddleia. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit like big leaf hydranges in that when

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<v Speaker 2>you go out into the garden in spring to clean up,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at this mess of sticks with their kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wilted foliage and you go, oh, I couldn't possibly

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<v Speaker 2>be nothing's going to come out of that that looks dead.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you cut it back and there goes your lavendar.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I did in my first garden. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And the leavender did not come back because I cut

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<v Speaker 2>it back to nothing. There were no buds left to

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<v Speaker 2>come back. But you know, you have to. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those plants you have to have a little faith,

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<v Speaker 2>don't prune and as always went in doubt, don't prune.

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<v Speaker 2>And this goes for lavender and spring or anything else

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<v Speaker 2>in spring, just leave it and you can fix it

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<v Speaker 2>later rather than pruning it, which you can't usually fix. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then wait for that new growth to start to emerge,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know the plant's alive. It's showing you

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<v Speaker 2>where on the stem it is alive, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where to cut and uh yeah, so you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of have to let the plants show you rather than

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<v Speaker 2>impose your will on the plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like bud Leah because budd Leo will show you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely, same exact thing. Yeah, and you know they

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<v Speaker 2>require the same conditions as well, So if you're successful

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<v Speaker 2>with butterfly bush in your garden that they also need,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, really well drained, soilful sun. Chances are you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be successful with lavender. And if you're successful with lavender,

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<v Speaker 2>then you will be successful with.

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<v Speaker 1>Butterfly bush exactly. Because the key here with lavender, if

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<v Speaker 1>I cut to the chase, is that, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone should have lavender in their yard. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to have lavender, you need to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the different types of lavender. That are out there. And

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<v Speaker 1>then secondly, I think the true key is soil that

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<v Speaker 1>is well drained and a good sunny spot and pruning

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<v Speaker 1>it at the right time of the year. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you do those three things, you're going to be successful

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<v Speaker 1>with lavender.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're lucky. We live in a great environment

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<v Speaker 2>for growing lavender. And I have a ton of lavender

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<v Speaker 2>in my garden. I'm putting even more in this year

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<v Speaker 2>because it's going to be an inside border to my

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<v Speaker 2>herb garden. Nice and it just thrives here. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really harvest it or use it for anything,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love lavender. I love the way it looks

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<v Speaker 2>in the garden. I love its silvery foliage. I love

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<v Speaker 2>its fragrance. You know, my absolute favorite thing is weeding

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<v Speaker 2>around lavender. Oh yeah, the best, just like you just

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<v Speaker 2>get it. Being in the garden. Doesn't get much better

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<v Speaker 2>than that. Just like working, as you know, enjoying it's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. But like if you're working, you're down there,

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<v Speaker 2>the leaves are brushing your arms and it just smells amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they say, lavender late than never, is that how

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<v Speaker 1>it goes? Yeah, lavender late than never? But you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's recommended, for example, to plant under bedroom windows. I

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<v Speaker 1>have some lavender under the bedroom window on the west

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<v Speaker 1>side of the house, so the breezes are predominantly from

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<v Speaker 1>the west, the summertime breezes. And of course lavender is

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<v Speaker 1>noted for its ability to calm nerves, anxiety, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these good things. The reason they put it in sachets

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<v Speaker 1>and and pot pourrie, et cetera, et cetera. Lavender has

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<v Speaker 1>a great It.

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<v Speaker 2>Has a great reputation on mental well being, and of

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<v Speaker 2>course in food it's a little more polarizing. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>love it, some people not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing is pollinators love it. And that's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I really really enjoy in the garden is

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<v Speaker 2>when lavender is in bloom and it's just swarming with

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of bees and butterflies and the color just

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fabulous. Quick limb a rick for you, because yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I too, am inspired, Stacy. In my garden, it's a mainstay.

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<v Speaker 1>It lines each and every walkway. Its presence makes me chill.

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<v Speaker 1>My space is trank. Will Laughender your blues away? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see what I did? I did see that yeah, Laughender,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that one. Yeah. So it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the different types of lavender. Here in the North.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people are using something we would call English lavender,

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<v Speaker 1>which is confusing because it's really native to England. It's

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<v Speaker 1>native to Mediterranean areas. But then you go beyond that

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at some of the new hybrids, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's a difference between lavender and Lavendin's Phenomenal is a

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<v Speaker 1>great hybrid variety that you can grow in your landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>gets very large, Stacey, as far as English lavender is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>I planted Sweet Romance in my yard. It's English lavender.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're talking about the angustifolia lavenders, beautiful blooming not

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<v Speaker 1>just on the terminal but a little ways down the stem,

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<v Speaker 1>and very fragrant, very hardy, very tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what it's all about. It's a proven winners perennial.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a great choice. I grow both headcoat and Phenomenal. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's always interesting to me seeing them

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<v Speaker 2>side by side in my garden because you really can't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily tell in the garden center, but seeing them side

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<v Speaker 2>of my side in my garden I would describe it

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<v Speaker 2>this way. The English lavender headcoat, which is probably one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most popular varieties, certainly one that you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>at your garden center. It looks English like. It has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a tidy, well behaved vibe to it. It

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<v Speaker 2>stays very small. It just feels like a proper English garden,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas the Phenomenal kind of has more of like a

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<v Speaker 2>South of France wild kind of vibe, whereas the head

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<v Speaker 2>coat is like kind of more like square, rectangular looking.

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<v Speaker 2>I love how the Phenomenal just makes this big mound

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<v Speaker 2>with this array of flowers coming out of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I actually use them both in my lavender border, and

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<v Speaker 2>I so it's mostly comprised of hadcoat, but I put

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<v Speaker 2>the Phenomenal at the corners so that looks kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And phenomenals also later it's a little bit later to

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<v Speaker 2>bloom than had coats, so it's kind of like I've

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<v Speaker 2>got this great season extender out there. I love them both.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be hard pressed to pick one over the other.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope to add even more lavenders to my garden.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, as you say, not all lavender is

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<v Speaker 2>very hardy, even for us here in zone six. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them are zone eight or warmer.

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<v Speaker 1>And for people who are growing lavender just for the

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<v Speaker 1>scent or growing it to use essential oils. Let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to understand the difference between lavendin's and lavender,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Stacey, Phenomenal, as you mentioned, would be a lavendin,

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<v Speaker 1>and your English lavenders would be obviously lavender. And you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>they almost seem more suited for a formal type garden,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Phenomenal or some of the English hybrids, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>how can I best put it? They don't color within

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<v Speaker 1>the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like that about them, and it's good to

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<v Speaker 2>make them right. So you know, if you're confused about

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about with lavendin, well, one thing you

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<v Speaker 2>can do is just look at the heartiness on the

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<v Speaker 2>plant tag, because the lavendons are the hardiest lavenders. And

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<v Speaker 2>not only are they the hardiest, they're the most resilient.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're growing in a clay soil and you've

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<v Speaker 2>typically had trouble trying to overwinter lavender, one of these lavendons,

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<v Speaker 2>like Phenomenal or its sister plant Sensational, would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>a better choice for you. Whereas the English lavender, lavendula

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<v Speaker 2>and gustifolia. Just look at the tag there no X

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<v Speaker 2>because the lavendons are Lavendula x EnterMedia. So if there's

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<v Speaker 2>no X there, you know you've got a straight species

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<v Speaker 2>like the English lavender exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that English lavender again hot sunshine, well drained.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm growing mine practically in beach sand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't fertilize them. They do just fabulous. And Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the different types of lavender. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about the English lavender. There is a French

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<v Speaker 1>lavender it's Lavendula dentata, but it's only hardy to zone eight.

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<v Speaker 1>I have tried growing wooly lavender in my yard and

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<v Speaker 1>I've had some success doing it. But again that's a

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<v Speaker 1>plant that is only to zone eight. I'm six A,

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<v Speaker 1>six B, but I've had some success growing there. You

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<v Speaker 1>have we talked, Yeah, I have, but it's hit and missed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not pretty the English hybrids as we just

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<v Speaker 1>talked about. And then you have Spanish lavender, which has

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<v Speaker 1>these pineapple shaped type flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>With little buddy ears of petals on the top. I love, love,

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<v Speaker 2>love Spanish lavender. My understanding is that is only hardy

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<v Speaker 2>to USA Zone eight or so as well. It is

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<v Speaker 2>so unfortunately not that's like my dream lavender because that

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<v Speaker 2>one is one of the best ones for perfume and fragrance,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just looks a little bit different. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, again, I'll be grateful for what I can

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<v Speaker 2>get here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all same here and when you're growing lavender, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I'm trying to sell this to people, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I have to sell it. Lavender is

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<v Speaker 1>much loved Stacey pess diseases or things like rabbits or

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<v Speaker 1>deer generally non fat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't like as much as we like to smell.

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<v Speaker 2>They mercifully do not. And yeah, they don't get any

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<v Speaker 2>pester diseases except unless you give them root rot. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's why we kind of do have to

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<v Speaker 2>sell lavender to people, because so many people have loved

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<v Speaker 2>it and had a bad experience, and so you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of knew need to get back on the horse and

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<v Speaker 2>know this, you bought the wrong type of lavender for

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<v Speaker 2>your soil, for your conditions. So you know now, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with phenomenal and sensational on the market. I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>great reports from even like farmland in Ohio clay country,

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<v Speaker 2>open exposed areas that they have had great winter survival

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<v Speaker 2>on phenomenal. So you know, times are always changing, the

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<v Speaker 2>golden age of plant breeding, and they're even resolving the

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<v Speaker 2>issues that make lavender unattainable for some people.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've done a lot of copywriting and descriptive writing

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<v Speaker 1>on play ants over the course of your life, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to ask you as far as lavender

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<v Speaker 1>perennial that kind of acts like a woody shrub. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you be willing to classify something like that as a

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what I classified it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Why is that because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only partly shrubby, like partly cloudy but partly shrubby.

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<v Speaker 2>So a subshrub is defined as something that is woody

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<v Speaker 2>at the base but herbaceous for the rest of the plant,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's exactly what lavender is. So you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>the growth that it puts on is herbaceous fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I was at a trade show, a winter

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<v Speaker 1>trade show, and someone was kind enough to give me

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<v Speaker 1>and threw it in my shed because it gets very

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<v Speaker 1>it in a hot, sunny area. That thing made it

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<v Speaker 1>through winter, thrived, continues to thrive, blooms its head off,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I'm interested in seeing how you're going to tie

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<v Speaker 2>to the Gardening simplified show where we are celebrating spring.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look out the window and the weather is

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<v Speaker 2>way now that it's March, even though March can be

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<v Speaker 2>it serves out, you know, nice one day and really

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<v Speaker 2>super crowdy the next, as they say, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's here, and it does make it feel like it's closer,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am. You know, all this talk about lavender

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<v Speaker 2>has got me so so excited about my new RB garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Now It's going to be a while till I can

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<v Speaker 2>because I have so much other stuff to do before

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<v Speaker 2>I can get to that. But in thinking about lavender

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking about my herb garden, I was remembering so

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<v Speaker 2>in my previous job, I worked for a garden magazine

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember magazines from way back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that I did was I

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<v Speaker 2>to find gardens to feature in the magazine. Obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty great gig if you can get it, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of my absolute favorite gardens that I had ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>was at this beautiful eighteen sixteen farmhouse in rural New Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it was amazing. And the garden, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because this is like way back and goes back to

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<v Speaker 2>have sort of small kitchen gardens very near to their home,

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<v Speaker 2>so they would grow probably medicinal herbs, culinary herbs, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>some you know, different things that they could use in

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<v Speaker 2>the household and in this garden, and keeping with that tradition,

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<v Speaker 2>the gardener had created a small formal herb garden just

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<v Speaker 2>outside the kitchen door there, and it was made up

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<v Speaker 2>of four square beds, kind of raised beds surrounded by

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<v Speaker 2>thick lumber, and it was all surrounded by flagstone. And

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of gave it this really nice sort of

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<v Speaker 2>push and pull of formality because you had the formality

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<v Speaker 2>of these very rigid square and then the flagstone had

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<v Speaker 2>some you know, different self sowers and stuff growing in

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<v Speaker 2>And I've talked about it before. I love that look

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<v Speaker 2>and what the gardener had done. So the beds are

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<v Speaker 2>full of herbs, and in two of them she had

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<v Speaker 2>planted lilac standards. Okay, So a standard, if you're not familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>is basically a tree form that looks a lot like

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<v Speaker 2>a lollipop y. So lilacs are naturally shrubby. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a tree lock that tree liloc that's a totally separate species.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going there today. These are lilacs that have

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<v Speaker 2>been trained by the grower to take on a tree

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<v Speaker 2>like form. And so what this gardener did was she

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<v Speaker 2>took those two tree or those two standard lilacs, and

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<v Speaker 2>put them right in the center of two of the beds.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is so memorable to me because it looked

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely amazing. It accomplished several things. So it brought height

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<v Speaker 2>to the herb garden because by and large, most herbs

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<v Speaker 2>that were growing in our herb gardens are not particularly tall.

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<v Speaker 2>There's stuff, certainly like a lavage matures that will get

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<v Speaker 2>to be six feet tall. There's some herbs that get big,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly they're all kind of you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Little shows show exclamation.

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<v Speaker 2>Exclamation points, right, and they provided this exclamation point without

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<v Speaker 2>providing shade, because of course herbs are sun loving plants,

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<v Speaker 2>and so by having this very sort of small canopy,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't shade out the plants. Below it, and in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, best of all, it also provided flowers and

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<v Speaker 2>color at a time when the herbs weren't really doing

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<v Speaker 2>all that much.

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<v Speaker 1>I can picture it in my mind, you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're going to have a picture of the

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<v Speaker 2>exact garden on our YouTube show show. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have not tuned into YouTube, you can check us out

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<v Speaker 2>over there. Just search for Gardening Simplified. You will find us.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, this garden was actually featured in the magazine

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<v Speaker 2>that I was working at back then. The trees that

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<v Speaker 2>she had used were Miss Kim lilacs. Because this is

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<v Speaker 2>many years ago, and now my choice is I think about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of reinterpreting this in my garden. I

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<v Speaker 2>would do this with bloomerang dark purple lilac, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is today's plant on trial. I love that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great plant, and I'm picking Bloomerang dark purple for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of reasons. Number one, it's going to be somewhat similar.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be able to find it in these

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<v Speaker 2>tree forms because it's been around for quite a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>so growers now know the formula for producing it in

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<v Speaker 2>this tree form shape, so it's pretty easy to find

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<v Speaker 2>compared to any of our other lilacs. As a tree form,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, it's very easy to find. As a shrub form,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very disease resistant, so unlike other lilacs, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>and all those other things that a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just so fabulous. I mean, back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>I loved Miss Kim lilac. We sold a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them in the garden center. But this is a great example, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>of how things have progressed forward and you just have

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<v Speaker 1>the choices are unreal.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because why would you choose Miss Kim that only

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<v Speaker 2>flowers once when you can have bloomemering dark purple which

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<v Speaker 2>is going to flower in late spring, but then continue

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<v Speaker 2>to put out those flowers through the summer for just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of extra interests and of course attracting

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<v Speaker 2>pollinators and all of that. And the other reason that

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<v Speaker 2>I think lilac is such a great choice for this

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<v Speaker 2>is because lilacs and herbs like similar conditions. They both

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<v Speaker 2>want full sun and they both absolutely demand well drained soil.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is a divergence here a little bit, because

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<v Speaker 2>bloomering dark purple lilac is hardy down to usdas on three,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the herbs that we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>including lavender, are often only hardy to about zone four,

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<v Speaker 2>and some lilacs only choose zone five. It really depends

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<v Speaker 2>on your condition. Certainly, if you have very very well

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<v Speaker 2>drained soil, you might be able to get away with

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<v Speaker 2>growing lavender in USDA zone four. So there might be

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a disconnected there. But I absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>loved this combination, and I love Bloomering Dark Purple anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was the second in the Bloomerang series. So

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<v Speaker 2>we introduced the original Bloomerang reblooming lilac way back in Gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like twenty ten or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a huge hit, and like everything else

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<v Speaker 2>in our program, you know, we continue to develop it

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<v Speaker 2>and refine it and look for improvements, and so Bloomering

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Purple was the next improvement, and it has completely

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<v Speaker 2>overtaken the original Bloomerang. The dark purple comes in, it's

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<v Speaker 2>primarily most visible when the plant is in bud okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The flower buds are the dark part when they open,

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of more of a standard lilac color, but

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<v Speaker 2>they really are very impressive when they are in bud

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<v Speaker 2>and it blooms so much. It's just a very very vigorous,

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<v Speaker 2>very easy to grow plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacey. Aside from the beautiful blooms, what I love about

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<v Speaker 1>the plant is the foliage. The foliage is in my

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<v Speaker 1>open so much better than what you would find on

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<v Speaker 1>a typical vulgaris line.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, Syringa Vulgaris, which is the common eyelac that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone sort of you know, thinks of when they think

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<v Speaker 2>about a lilac, has big, almost sort of heart shaped

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<v Speaker 2>leaves and that provides a totally different texture than the

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<v Speaker 2>bloomerang lilacs, which have a very fine texture small leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it just works really really well, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in that tree form compared to you know, a regular

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<v Speaker 2>Syringa Vulgaris. You're not going to find in a tree

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<v Speaker 2>form typically because they're just too big and vigorous.

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<v Speaker 1>And so is it fair to say that with the vulgaris,

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<v Speaker 1>odds are you're prone to powdery mildew, but not with

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<v Speaker 1>the bloomerang.

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<v Speaker 2>That is absolutely true. I have never seen a bloomerang

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<v Speaker 2>in our trials with powdery mildew. It is a slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different species. It is a hybrid, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifices that you make for that is that the flowers

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<v Speaker 2>are still very fragrant, but they don't have the lilac smell,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do miss that. But you know what, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a like, you know, know, all or nothing kind

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<v Speaker 2>of proposition. I do have regular traditional lilacs in my

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<v Speaker 2>garden as well, and then there's room for these, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of get the best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is a little bit of a trade off there.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it is so much nicer that they

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<v Speaker 2>do rebloom, that they resist disease. It makes them a

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<v Speaker 2>lot lower maintenance. And another great thing about combining them

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<v Speaker 2>with herbs both you're resistant.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so you don't have to worry have these plants,

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<v Speaker 2>and your herb garden can be like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>one place where you don't have to worry about the

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<v Speaker 2>deer messing up with your good life out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I posted that in social media last weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I saw that. Yeah, that was very cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a deer in the yard. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>this time of the year, they're so hungry. You can

419
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<v Speaker 1>just walk right up to them. They don't even flinch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And I'm like, you know, the deer asked me,

421
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<v Speaker 1>when are the tulips going to be in bloom? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, please don't touch my high ranges.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have seen their tracks in the snow, so

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<v Speaker 2>they are obviously they're busy looking, but hopefully they aren't

425
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<v Speaker 2>going to find too much in my garden, of course,

426
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<v Speaker 2>until spring comes and everything starts coming out all tender

427
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<v Speaker 2>and delicious. So, like I said, bloomering, dark purple lilock

428
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<v Speaker 2>hardy to usdas on three. It's only heat tolerant through

429
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<v Speaker 2>about USDA zone seven. But I'll tell you, if you

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<v Speaker 2>are one of our hot climate listeners and you're thinking,

431
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<v Speaker 2>oh shoot, I can't grow this, I'm jealous of you

432
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<v Speaker 2>because if I lived in your warmer climate, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my choice would be a bay leaf topiary. Wouldn't that

434
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<v Speaker 2>be amazing? Yeah, so you could grow that into that

435
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<v Speaker 2>tree form because bay leafs are hardy two about USCA

436
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<v Speaker 2>zone eight. So you know, don't despair grow the bay

437
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<v Speaker 2>leafs and know that I am very, very jealous of

438
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<v Speaker 2>you and it still works in exactly the same way,

439
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<v Speaker 2>so there's something for all of us. So when it's

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<v Speaker 2>not in a tree form, bloomering dark purple lilac is

441
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<v Speaker 2>going to be about four to six feet tall and wide.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just wanted to mention that because the treeform

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<v Speaker 2>shrubs like bloomering dark purple as a standard do tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite a bit more expensive because there's a

445
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<v Speaker 2>lot more time that goes into producing them, so they

446
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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit more of an investment than a

447
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<v Speaker 2>shrub form. But if it's not in your budget or

448
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<v Speaker 2>in your taste, I still think that bloomering dark purple

449
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<v Speaker 2>makes a great choice as a hedge or specimen to

450
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<v Speaker 2>combine in your herb garden for all of the same

451
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<v Speaker 2>reasons that I just mentioned. So whichever way you find

452
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<v Speaker 2>it or prefer it as a shrub or as a

453
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<v Speaker 2>standard or small tree, it's going to be a great choice.

454
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<v Speaker 2>It's going to go well with your garden, it's going

455
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<v Speaker 2>to go well with your lavender, and it's going to

456
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<v Speaker 2>be a plant that you will treasure every spring when

457
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<v Speaker 2>it does start to flower, and it will be in

458
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<v Speaker 2>your garden center very soon, as we will all be

459
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<v Speaker 2>heading out there, So if you want more information, more details,

460
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<v Speaker 2>just visit Gardening Simplified on air dot com. You'll see

461
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<v Speaker 2>it in the show notes and get everything you need

462
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<v Speaker 2>to know to find a place for it in your garden.

463
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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to take a little break. When we

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<v Speaker 2>come back, we're opening up the garden mail bags, so

465
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466
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467
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468
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<v Speaker 2>at your local garden center or learn more at proven

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's Gardening friends, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show. We're celebrating spring by

475
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<v Speaker 2>talking about a summer blooming plant, lavender. But you know

476
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<v Speaker 2>it's a good time to plant it in spring, and

477
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<v Speaker 2>that's another tip for people who maybe haven't had much

478
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<v Speaker 2>success with lavender in the past. Anytime that you're kind

479
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<v Speaker 2>of pushing a plant's hardiness zone or winter survival, the

480
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 2>earlier you can plant it in spring, the better off

481
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<v Speaker 2>you'll be because then it has more of an opportunity

482
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<v Speaker 2>to create a good root system before the challenges of

483
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<v Speaker 2>you know, cold, wet fall and winter set in. So

484
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<v Speaker 2>put it on your plant list to get it in

485
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<v Speaker 2>quickly in the spring and hopefully set yourself up for success.

486
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<v Speaker 1>And I know this segment is about our viewers and

487
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<v Speaker 1>listeners questions, but quick question for you, Stacy. When I

488
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<v Speaker 1>see I think it's called lo and Behold blue Chip junior, yep, yeap.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Love that plant. And when it's along lined along a

490
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<v Speaker 1>walkway that almost looks like lavender from a day, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can very much look like lavender. And that was actually

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<v Speaker 2>my first thought for today's Plant on Trial, but I'd

493
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<v Speaker 2>already done it. Okay, but that's a night. But you know,

494
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<v Speaker 2>the thing is, like, I can't really necessarily recommend it

495
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<v Speaker 2>as an alternative to lavender, because I agree, if you

496
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<v Speaker 2>can grow lo and Behold blue Chip junior buddleia, you

497
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<v Speaker 2>can also grow lavender because as we've said, they definitely

498
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<v Speaker 2>require similar conditions, and the butterfly bush is only hardy

499
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<v Speaker 2>to about usdas on five where you might be able

500
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<v Speaker 2>to push it a little bit more with some lavender.

501
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, a great way to get that look different

502
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<v Speaker 2>fragrance yep, different bloom time, but still a great plant.

503
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we understand that not everyone has gardening

504
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<v Speaker 2>friends to celebrate their horticultural successes and triumphs with or

505
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<v Speaker 2>commisserate on their horticultural conundrums. So we love hearing from you.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of our listeners, Colin, wrote us he is

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<v Speaker 2>in Central Florida Usdazo nine B, so probably plenty warm

508
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<v Speaker 2>spring is well underway there, I would imagine, And he says,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to share some winter cheer with you here

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<v Speaker 2>in Central Florida. This year, we have a rare phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of the most distinctive flowering trees, pink and yellow

512
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<v Speaker 2>tababuyahs or trumpet trees, are in full bloom. Usually the

513
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<v Speaker 2>pink ones bloom a month before the yellow ones, but

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<v Speaker 2>this year their bloom times completely coincided. They are in

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<v Speaker 2>the big non yac plant family and are outstanding trees

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<v Speaker 2>for Florida. I hope these beautiful trees brighten up your

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<v Speaker 2>winter gardening feed. And I've included a picture of my

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<v Speaker 2>own garden as well, which is an adorable little Florida

519
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<v Speaker 2>cottage that I just kind of want to move right into. Sorry, Colin,

520
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<v Speaker 2>but it's just perfect. And yeah, I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Florida gardener one day. It sounds so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Colin, a big thank you, very mulch to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Those those pictures really warm to my heart. And that

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<v Speaker 1>tree some people call it trumpet flower. I believe they

525
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<v Speaker 1>call it trumpet flower, and you call it taba boo

526
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<v Speaker 1>ya tababoya like, but it is a Histeranthus tree, so

527
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<v Speaker 1>a tree that blooms before the foliage comes out, so

528
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<v Speaker 1>like red bud or magnolia, and trees notably do that

529
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<v Speaker 1>because the flowers are more accessible to pollinators or wind

530
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<v Speaker 1>pollination if they bloom before the leaves emerge. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. And I saw a number of those

532
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<v Speaker 1>in Costa Rica this past year, but I was not

533
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<v Speaker 1>there during the dry season, so they were not in bloom.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Real characteristic to that tree is that the trunk grows

535
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<v Speaker 1>in contorted shapes in the rainforest or when there's a

536
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<v Speaker 1>lot of other plants around trying to reach for the sunlight.

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<v Speaker 1>What a gorgeous, fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>Tree they are. I would love to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>grow these, and it's interesting he mentions that they are

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<v Speaker 2>in the Big noniac So if people tuned into our

541
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<v Speaker 2>winter garden tour, I talked about our new dress to

542
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<v Speaker 2>thrill crossvine, Big Nonia Caprioleta Capriolta. Yeah, which the whole

543
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>plant family Big Nonisa is actually named for so and

544
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<v Speaker 2>if you do grow the standard trumpet vine, it is

545
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<v Speaker 2>also in that same family, but not obviously a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that these two did bloom at the same time.

547
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<v Speaker 2>I have seen that happen in certain places, namely Nantucket,

548
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<v Speaker 2>where things that normally do not bloom together in other

549
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 2>climates bloom together. I'm not really sure what the explanation

550
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<v Speaker 2>here is in Florida, but you know what, you got

551
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<v Speaker 2>to take what you can get and it looks absolutely amazing.

552
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<v Speaker 2>So please do tune in on YouTube or our show

553
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<v Speaker 2>notes at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com to check out

554
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<v Speaker 2>Collins photos. What else we got in the mailbag, And.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're proud of your garden or the way it's looking,

556
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<v Speaker 1>send us a picture we'd love to see it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>I want to touch on this. Don wrote to us

558
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<v Speaker 1>weeping Alaskan cedar struggling and losing some of the lower branches.

559
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<v Speaker 1>So I took a look at the picture that was

560
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<v Speaker 1>sent to us. Is it doing better after some fertile

561
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<v Speaker 1>It's doing better after some fertilization in recent years. But

562
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<v Speaker 1>Don is asking us whether or not the naked bottom

563
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<v Speaker 1>will fill in, or should I plant something in front

564
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<v Speaker 1>of the cedar or rip it out and start over.

565
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<v Speaker 1>So an Alaskan seedar and Stacy I took a look

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<v Speaker 1>at the picture. First of all, this is a plant

567
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<v Speaker 1>that I absolutely love.

568
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<v Speaker 2>I love it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Secondly, one of our topics a few weeks ago was

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<v Speaker 1>to move plants in the landscape. I'm going to suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that Don Bust to move Oh wow, now that ain't

572
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<v Speaker 1>gonna be difficult. This is a large tree. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>if that were my home, I like where he put it.

574
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<v Speaker 1>It's just too close to the house. I would move

575
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<v Speaker 1>it out away from the house. Suggests that. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to suggest that Don Bust to move this. This

577
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<v Speaker 1>tree is so gorgeous. There there are spectacular specimens at

578
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<v Speaker 1>the Morton Arboretum Michigan State University campus. And then of

579
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<v Speaker 1>course I remember spending time in Oregon, where along the

580
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<v Speaker 1>Pacific coast and in the Northwest you see them everywhere,

581
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<v Speaker 1>usually in wet areas, but just beautiful and being grown

582
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<v Speaker 1>in the nurseries there that are between Portland or Gresham,

583
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<v Speaker 1>Oregon and Mount Hood. Stunning. They knock your socks off.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want Don to keep this plant and maybe

585
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<v Speaker 1>try to bust a move.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a brave because it is a pretty

587
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<v Speaker 2>big plainton. We'll have pictures, of course in YouTube and

588
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>at Gardening Simplified on air dot com. This is a

589
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 2>great plant. Now, I don't necessarily feel like it's too

590
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<v Speaker 2>close to the house because the interesting thing about these

591
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 2>is that they do very often grow pretty flat, kind

592
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<v Speaker 2>of like almost in two dimensions, like a piece of paper.

593
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>So they're not one of these big spreading trees. They

594
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<v Speaker 2>have these sort of flat weeping branches, and people do

595
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<v Speaker 2>very often use them to fill in small spaces. And

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<v Speaker 2>I love where Don put this because it's a perfect

597
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<v Speaker 2>example of taking the cues from your house's architecture and

598
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.519
<v Speaker 2>determining where to put a plant. It put it writes

599
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.839
<v Speaker 2>back between some windows so it's just a perfect framing

600
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>of this plant. So you can certainly try to move

601
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<v Speaker 2>it if you would like. I definitely wouldn't get rid

602
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<v Speaker 2>of it, because I think it is beautiful, and obviously

603
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you've invested several years in it, because it is mostly

604
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>looking pretty great. The red flag to me that stood

605
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 2>out here that is possibly accounting for the dieback that

606
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you've seen on is the steaks. So I don't know,

607
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Don didn't mention when he planted this, but it looks

608
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<v Speaker 2>to me like unless he did start with a quite

609
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<v Speaker 2>large tree, indeed, that it probably doesn't need those steaks

610
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<v Speaker 2>anymore and they could be girdling the plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, the steaks are high.

612
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<v Speaker 2>The stakes are high and not necessary anymore, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised if it's possible that how whatever

614
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<v Speaker 2>the staking material was that goes around the trunk is

615
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<v Speaker 2>starting to cut into that and that's what accounted for

616
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.759
<v Speaker 2>that branch loss down below. Whether you want to plant

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00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 2>something in front of it to kind of cover up

618
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<v Speaker 2>the bare bottom, that is up to you. Don I

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<v Speaker 2>think it looks great just as it is. I would

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<v Speaker 2>just continue the TLC and I think that it will

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<v Speaker 2>eventually be fine, but do check that steaking, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it can probably be removed entirely. If it's already

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<v Speaker 2>included into the bark, then I would definitely just cut it,

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<v Speaker 2>make sure it doesn't get any worse, and just keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great catch. You're right, And as far as

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<v Speaker 1>his question is concerned, the branches replacing themselves on the

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<v Speaker 1>lower part of the plant, possibly, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest issue with that is typically as the plant

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<v Speaker 2>has matured, it starts to shade out its own lower branches,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's why you don't often see, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>a white pine that's branched all the way to the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>because if that is lost through damage or whatever, the

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<v Speaker 2>upper parts of the plant are so broad that they

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<v Speaker 2>shade out the bottom and it doesn't get enough sun

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<v Speaker 2>to actually recover. So whether or not o'll recover, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I think it's still beautiful, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you just plant something sort of in front

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<v Speaker 2>of it to take, you know, cover up that that

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<v Speaker 2>bare trunk. If you don't like it, then you could

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<v Speaker 2>certainly do that. You could also maybe even try a

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<v Speaker 2>clematis up there to cover it. And you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're into into crazy different plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Ideas, because I did that with a weeping blue spruce. Oh,

647
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want it in my yard, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful specimen. I didn't want the blue spruce and

649
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<v Speaker 1>my yard, but it was in the dumpster. Somebody dumped it,

650
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<v Speaker 1>dumped it. So I pulled it out of the dumpster,

651
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<v Speaker 1>brought it back to life, and I have a clematis

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<v Speaker 1>that's growing through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, you know, helping it out there, picking

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<v Speaker 2>up the sluck. And you know, it's a great It's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what Klementists do in nature. So it's a very

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<v Speaker 2>natural kind of solution to that problem. If you're so inclined,

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<v Speaker 2>I call.

658
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<v Speaker 1>It divine intervention.

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<v Speaker 2>Do take a look at the picture of Don's landscape

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to have on YouTube or in our

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<v Speaker 2>show notes, because I think he's made some great choices.

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<v Speaker 2>He clearly has a great love for conifers and a

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<v Speaker 2>great eye for designing his landscape. So I'm really grateful

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<v Speaker 2>that you sent that in, Don, and keep us posted

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<v Speaker 2>on the seater how it goes this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job done.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all we have time for today. You know

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<v Speaker 2>it is important to us to be able to answer

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<v Speaker 2>your gardening questions. So if you have an urgent gardening

670
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<v Speaker 2>question and you need to get in answer, go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and write us. We might be able to answer it

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<v Speaker 2>on air, but you can also reach us at Proven

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<v Speaker 2>Winners color Choice dot com and get a personalized answer

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<v Speaker 2>from one for horticulturists, you don't have to wait around

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<v Speaker 2>because unfortunately we seem to always run out of time

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<v Speaker 2>despite our best intentions. We're going to take a little

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<v Speaker 2>break and when we come back, we have got a

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<v Speaker 2>special guest to talk more about using lavender, so please

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for branching

685
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<v Speaker 1>news and interview that we've been looking forward to. Prior

686
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<v Speaker 1>to that, just have to touch on a couple more questions, Stacey,

687
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<v Speaker 1>I have received messages and emails from people I mentioned

688
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<v Speaker 1>a week ago that I'm going to be at Plat

689
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<v Speaker 1>Hill in Chicago on March eighth. For people who are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in my schedule, whether it's stand up comedy or

691
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<v Speaker 1>for example, this weekend, the Home and Garden Show and

692
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<v Speaker 1>Grand Rapids, you can find the schedule at thank You

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<v Speaker 1>Very mulch dot com. I'm just gonna simply say that

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<v Speaker 1>we'll put the link there also on our website, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's thank you very mulch dot com. You just click

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<v Speaker 1>on stand up and you'll be able to see the

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<v Speaker 1>big comedy show coming up on March twenty six, or

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm giving talks on gardening, it's all right there

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<v Speaker 1>on the website.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and we have a mystery that still needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be solved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we have sparked the internet's biggest newest mystery, apparently

704
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<v Speaker 2>with our question from Stephen Mary last week about the

705
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:44.559
<v Speaker 2>mysterious sudden pruning of their crepe myrtle in a container.

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00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 1>People are into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes they are. I was not expecting that, but when

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<v Speaker 2>I came in on Monday after the show it aired,

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<v Speaker 2>there were a number of people who claim to be

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<v Speaker 2>very invested in the Stephen Mary crepe myrtle mystery. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to reach out to Stephen Mary. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see what they think about our answer and some

713
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<v Speaker 2>of the other theories that were put out there on YouTube,

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00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and see if we can't get some closure here.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that the Steve and Mary Craipe myrtle mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Who done it? I love it all right. Tying in

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<v Speaker 1>with our lavender talk today, this is going to be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>A chance again to talk to Lisa Rose. Lisa's an herbalist, forager,

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00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>urban farmer, writer, background in anthropology, and a professional focus

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<v Speaker 1>on community health, food farming, wild plant knowledge. I could

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00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 1>go on and on, and her books are much loved. Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for joining us again on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for having me. And it seems

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00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.320
<v Speaker 3>like we've got a respectable plant to talk about this

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<v Speaker 3>time instead of one of my dastardly favorite weeds. Lovely lavender.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right. Usually we're talking stinging nettle or something

727
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>like that, but we're talking lavender. Lisa, Do you like lavender?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me start there.

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I think it's lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you like about lavender?

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<v Speaker 3>I love it's aroma. So in my Grand Rapids garden,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a lovely firm filled with a lavender love variety.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an English lavender and it's you know, when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes into flower at the end of June. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful pollinator. And it's filled with all sorts of insects

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the variety of bumblebees, natives and even some

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<v Speaker 3>of the dastardly glommers, you know, the wasps and whatnot,

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<v Speaker 3>but they love those. The aroma, just the aromatics of

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00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.239
<v Speaker 3>the lavender for me, is medicinal. It is uplifting. I

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<v Speaker 3>use it also as a culinary spice, and again just

741
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<v Speaker 3>for its visual aesthetic beauty. It's gorgeous and I'm very

742
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 3>lucky to have that burm of lavender because I think

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<v Speaker 3>across my time being a gardener, this is the first

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<v Speaker 3>time that I finally planted it, and it loves where

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<v Speaker 3>it's planted. So I take that as a w in

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<v Speaker 3>my book as a gardener.

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<v Speaker 2>Always good when you get it right. And just like

748
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<v Speaker 2>you had imagined it. Now, you mentioned using lavender in food,

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<v Speaker 2>so you said that you have a lavendula and gustifully

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<v Speaker 2>in English lavender variety. Are you harvesting that and using

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<v Speaker 2>that in recipes?

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<v Speaker 3>I do in fact, I do an entire suite if

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<v Speaker 3>that balance between cutting it back and like, I love

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<v Speaker 3>to have the pollinators enjoy it. But I really do

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<v Speaker 3>love to do a full cutting of my lavender when

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<v Speaker 3>it's in full aromatic, full bloom in the dry weather

757
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<v Speaker 3>of this of the summertime, and then I'll bundle it.

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<v Speaker 3>Our viewers are going to be able to see a

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<v Speaker 3>couple images of me just simply bundling it and drying

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<v Speaker 3>it for use across the year. So again I'll use

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<v Speaker 3>it a medicinal plant and then also as a culinary spice,

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<v Speaker 3>both the leaves and the flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh the leaves too, because I how people mostly only

764
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:57.280
<v Speaker 2>use the lavender buds in food.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire part of the the aerial parts of the

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<v Speaker 3>plant are usable. I tend to gravitate toward making sure

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<v Speaker 3>that I harvest for culinary use, of course, and medicinal

768
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<v Speaker 3>use the more tender part of the woody stem and

769
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<v Speaker 3>the newer growth, and retaining the woodier bits for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>future productivity.

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting with Lisa Rose. I've had a front row

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<v Speaker 1>seat to be able to watch Lisa over the years

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<v Speaker 1>write these wonderful books that are much loved, including Urban

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<v Speaker 1>Forager and Lisa. Today, I guess my focus is on

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<v Speaker 1>Midwest medicinal plants to identify, harvest and use wild herbs

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<v Speaker 1>for health and wellness. I have to admit to you

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<v Speaker 1>a month or so ago here on the show, I

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<v Speaker 1>sounded kind of nasal because I was dealing with a cold,

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<v Speaker 1>and you came to mind. And as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I walked into the backyard and harvested some pine needles

781
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and boil them up and started breathing and it helped.

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<v Speaker 1>So you you came to mind there, Lisa.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's a blessing. And you know, I love that

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<v Speaker 3>that you were able to consider the pine, even though

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<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about pine today. It's that aromatic quality

786
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<v Speaker 3>that the tips of the of the spruce and pine

787
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<v Speaker 3>they can be They're different, of course, but they can

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<v Speaker 3>be used interchangeably for an herbal steam. They can open

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<v Speaker 3>the sinuses like I actually also this time of year,

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<v Speaker 3>at the springtime, find pine tips to be extremely helpful

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of scrub the gunk that like we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>the colds that are going around the ends of the

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<v Speaker 3>flu virus or the ends of a you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>cold virus. And that pine tipsy is very aromatic and

795
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<v Speaker 3>can help open up you know what's just stuck in grime,

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<v Speaker 3>and lavender can honestly behave in the same way in

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<v Speaker 3>the winter. If you're using that dried lavender from your garden,

798
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 3>you can create an herbal steam. You can bring that

799
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<v Speaker 3>into the shower in the bathroom, and again it's just aromatic,

800
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<v Speaker 3>opens up the sinuses. And you can even blend the

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<v Speaker 3>leaves and the dried flowers with other plants for a

802
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 3>nice aromatic sea if you want to blend it with

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<v Speaker 3>a camomile for a little bit of relax and herb,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe also with some peppermints. There's no shortage of ideas

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<v Speaker 3>on how to blend the lavender into winter wellness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess that's where I was going with the comment,

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<v Speaker 1>is that in many cases, plants Stacey that we love

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<v Speaker 1>in the landscape, including lavender, fragrance or aroma, is just

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<v Speaker 1>so important.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like a great care for spring fever too exact.

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<v Speaker 2>You get a little sense of what's down the line

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<v Speaker 2>after a long linter where it seems almost unimaginable in.

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<v Speaker 1>Writing your book, Lisa, whether it's lavender or other herbs,

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<v Speaker 1>sunlight and drainage really important.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, absolutely, And with the lavender, you know it is

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<v Speaker 3>not it's not a native to you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>Michigan areas where I am currently so finding that sweet spot.

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<v Speaker 3>It loves the full hot sun and dry soil and

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<v Speaker 3>too much water, too little water, not enough water. Nor

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<v Speaker 3>it's facing it. She will tell you whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>she likes where she's living just by making it through

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<v Speaker 3>the winter. So you know I've I've not given up.

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<v Speaker 3>And finally, like I said, in my garden, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a spot where it's just thriving and it delights me

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<v Speaker 3>with happiness. It's like a little bit of Provence, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in my in my gardens that gives me quite a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of joy during the summer and then of course

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<v Speaker 3>is dried and preserved for the rest of the year

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<v Speaker 3>in my in my spice cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you make a great point because lavender

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely one of those plants that needs proper sighting.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot of people will think a lavender

833
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>is difficult to grow, and that's not necessarily true. It's

834
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<v Speaker 2>just that its needs all are fairly specific, not unusual.

835
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're not bending heaven and earth to try

836
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<v Speaker 2>to grow it. But you definitely need that good drain,

837
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 2>and you definitely need that warm sun. And so people

838
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 2>who may not have had success in the past shouldn't

839
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<v Speaker 2>just throw up their hands and write it off. They

840
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<v Speaker 2>should continue to investigate, as you did, you know, whether

841
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<v Speaker 2>there's potentially a better spot in their yard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it might come to the fact that that

843
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<v Speaker 3>might not be in your garden at all. And so

844
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 3>then it's like that reconciling with well, maybe you know,

845
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 3>maybe there's another plant better suited to you know, the

846
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 3>climate and conditions that are in my garden. Sometimes there's

847
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.039
<v Speaker 3>some acceptance that comes along with that, you know. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I had kind of resolved that if it wasn't

849
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<v Speaker 3>going to grow in my sandy well drained, dry burm,

850
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.679
<v Speaker 3>then I was done. But alas the last one was success.

851
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>So that's given me a lot of joy.

852
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.679
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, and do you know what varieties or

853
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>variety you planted?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd have to I don't. It might be

855
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.760
<v Speaker 3>a month set. I'd have to go back at my notes.

856
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure it's a month said. Admittedly, I'm I'm

857
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 3>somebody that kind of just I'm an end of season shopper,

858
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 3>so whatever might be admittedly might be available. I know,

859
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, I am your forager, right like I

860
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

861
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:21.039
<v Speaker 1>The apple doesn't fall.

862
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Far from the tree does not, and you know, I

863
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 3>mean just from an economy sake. And I feel like

864
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 3>the English lavenders as well have a bit more tolerance

865
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.000
<v Speaker 3>for some of the variability that we have because there

866
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 3>is more moisture here, more moisture content in the Great Lakes.

867
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 3>But that's just that's only my limited experience with a

868
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 3>wide range of varieties of lavender.

869
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Lisa as an herbalist. Now that we have inspired people

870
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:52.840
<v Speaker 1>on today's show to have more lavender in their landscape,

871
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about the different types of lavender, but

872
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.559
<v Speaker 1>as an herbalist, what are some good companion plays in

873
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 1>your mind for our viewers and our listeners. I mean,

874
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.639
<v Speaker 1>what's a few must have herbs to go along with

875
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.199
<v Speaker 1>that lavender in your garden.

876
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 3>When I think of a lavender, I do go immediately

877
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 3>to the more traditional French and English style cottage gardens.

878
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 3>And I love my lavender as a border. I love

879
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 3>it as an adjacent to rose bushes, you know, and

880
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 3>in general from my point of view as a forager

881
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 3>and just as someone that looks at a garden space

882
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 3>and considers the ecological balance, I really love to make

883
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 3>sure that I have a diversity of plants in my

884
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:48.440
<v Speaker 3>garden landscape, so you know, the lavender with the roses

885
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:52.840
<v Speaker 3>adjacent to my other culinary herbs. I also then have

886
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 3>a bit more wild and uncultivated spaces between my rose

887
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 3>I also so do lots of integration of cover crops

888
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 3>and my walkways and paths, and that helps again from

889
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 3>a companion planting, I'm not a landscape architect by training

890
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.079
<v Speaker 3>at all, and my goodness, if you've seen my garden

891
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>that would validate that statement. I am a forager. Let

892
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 3>it grow wild, but I feel that, you know, adding

893
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 3>it adjacent to a diversity of plants in the culinary

894
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 3>garden and looking for the English style and French style

895
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.679
<v Speaker 3>gardens is really my favorite inspiration. With the lavender, I.

896
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Agree, you know, in my garden, I feel like the

897
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>way it looks just takes me on a visual vacation

898
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>because it does feel you know, a lot of my

899
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 2>gardens are native and wild, and so I'm working on

900
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 2>this very formal herb garden in the back, which does

901
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of just like have that you know, Mediterranean vibe.

902
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:55.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's kind of like the concept of

903
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 2>garden rooms, right, like a different vibe and different you know,

904
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 2>move food in every part of the garden. But I

905
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>love it combined with herbs. And you know, for me,

906
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.119
<v Speaker 2>dialing up that silvery foliage just is what kind of

907
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>transports you from you know, Western Michigan, which is a

908
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 2>lovely place, but uh, it visually transports you to somewhere

909
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 2>on the you know, Mediterranean instead of Lake Michigan.

910
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 3>It does one hundred percent. And I love your concept

911
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:27.480
<v Speaker 3>of the garden room. And that's to say that one

912
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 3>doesn't need a tremendous amount of space. You can style

913
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.960
<v Speaker 3>these plants, especially lavender. It's got portability where you can

914
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 3>have it in containers even if your garden might only

915
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 3>be seasonal, and in patios and use those as beautiful

916
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 3>pops of you know, the silver green. Like there's just

917
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 3>something it does have that Mediterranean vibe. And I think

918
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 3>that northern California. I had lived there for a while, right,

919
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 3>and so it's even you know, northern Michigan up in

920
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Leylano County. The lavender has just got that. It's like

921
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.840
<v Speaker 3>a Christine Madeleine for me as different places that I've

922
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 3>lived and and it does offset some of the more

923
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.039
<v Speaker 3>wild and feral, you know, Michigan roots that I have.

924
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 3>It's it's elegant. Like I said, I'm delighted to have

925
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.960
<v Speaker 3>been upgraded in status today on the show, Rick.

926
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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love that. At Lisa, I wanted

927
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<v Speaker 1>to ask you while we had you on. I've had

928
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a number of people reach out to me recently about

929
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 1>b balm or Manarda. Is that a favorite of yours?

930
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:37.199
<v Speaker 3>It is a favorite. So Manarda all the species, both

931
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 3>the cultivated, is a common with a variety of different variants.

932
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Is a common one in all of our greenhouses, right,

933
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:50.719
<v Speaker 3>and it's very common in large scale plantings for gardens,

934
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.519
<v Speaker 3>for buildings, and so it's and then just you know,

935
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 3>even for the regular home gardener. And what I love

936
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 3>about it is that it is on the spectrum of

937
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.280
<v Speaker 3>mint family plants. It's very spicy and aroma and flavor

938
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 3>like youreregano. And then it's blossom is just stunning. It

939
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 3>just has this beautiful, flamboyant bloom right around the fourth

940
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.480
<v Speaker 3>of July that dried for teas. It just holds up

941
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 3>really nicely and can be beautiful and hand dried tea

942
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.639
<v Speaker 3>blends and actually does pair very very well, both fresh

943
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 3>and dried with lavender.

944
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't love that. That's interesting me.

945
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. I always feel inspired after talking to you, Lisa,

946
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 1>and I'm so anxious for spring, can't wait to get

947
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>it started. Lisa Rose an herbalist, forager, urban farmer and writer.

948
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Look for her books. Today we've been talking about Midwest

949
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.679
<v Speaker 1>medicinal plants, identify, harvest and use one hundred and nine

950
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:58.679
<v Speaker 1>wild herbs for health and wellness. Lisa, For our listeners

951
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.360
<v Speaker 1>and our viewers, how can they find you? How can

952
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 1>they find your books?

953
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.960
<v Speaker 3>My meanderings and musings can be found on the socials,

954
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.840
<v Speaker 3>on the instagrams and the book of Faces, and then

955
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 3>of course with my writings and books. I'm very lucky

956
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 3>to have a large network of independent booksellers, so I

957
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:20.039
<v Speaker 3>do recommend folks pick those up there, but also on

958
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 3>the big A delivery vans. Those the Amazon booksellers as

959
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 3>well can get those books into your hand in pretty

960
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 3>rapid fashion.

961
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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Thanks for inspiring us again today, Lisa. We appreciate it.

962
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>All the best to you and look forward to having

963
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you on the show again down the road.

964
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 3>It's my pleasure and I'm excited to see maybe potentially

965
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.440
<v Speaker 3>us again sometime in person where we can whip up

966
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:50.519
<v Speaker 3>a foraged and garden cocktail together something.

967
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we need to talk about that a moment. Sure,

968
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.039
<v Speaker 1>how we do that? You're whipping up some Tom.

969
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Well, Tom Collins. Yes, one of my favorite little summertime

970
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 3>treats is is whipping up a little bit of lavender

971
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.800
<v Speaker 3>simple syrup, which is you know, using i you know,

972
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 3>using the leaves and the flowers of the lavender create

973
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.280
<v Speaker 3>that simple syrup which has actually got versatility beyond the

974
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.719
<v Speaker 3>cocktail cart. You can even driss little over a little

975
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 3>bit of vanilla ice cream, but mixed in with a

976
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.360
<v Speaker 3>little bit of gin, a little bit of lemon juice,

977
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of club soda, some lemon slices and

978
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:34.400
<v Speaker 3>a few fresh lavender sprigs. You know, stir that up,

979
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.159
<v Speaker 3>have a couple of delicious short bread cookies on the side,

980
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 3>and maybe a soop of that ice cream, and that's

981
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:42.519
<v Speaker 3>a nice June afternoon on the patio in the summertime.

982
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Do you have this recipe in writing Lisa.

983
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.519
<v Speaker 3>It is in your inbox, sir, it is in your

984
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 3>inbox right now.

985
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And with our viewers and our listeners, oh boy,

986
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 1>if they weren't enticed to grow lavender before, they will

987
00:53:59.159 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 1>be now.

988
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 3>So there you go, right out the gate, starting out

989
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 3>the season with really good, good intentions exactly exactly.

990
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful use for lavender. Thank you so much, Lisa.

991
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it.

992
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Take care of yourself, thank you, and I appreciate the

993
00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 3>both of you as well. Have a great kickoff this spring.

994
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Thank you too.

995
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Well.

996
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 2>On that note, I am definitely ready for spring and

997
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 2>pruning my lavender, but not too soon, not until it

998
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.639
<v Speaker 2>actually starts growing and tells me when it wants to

999
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>be prune. So we want to thank Lisa Rose for

1000
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 2>her time and her great Tom Collins recipe. Thank you, Rick,

1001
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.280
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you Adriana, and of course thank you

1002
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:37.840
<v Speaker 2>so much to all of you for listening. We truly

1003
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 2>do appreciate it and help you have a wonderful week

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<v Speaker 2>at