Speaker 1: Yo, what is up?
Speaker 2: Boys?
Speaker 1: How's it going? And welcome back to another episode of
the Rant Cafe Anime podcast. We're so back boys, talking
about three different anime today that we forced each other
to watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes look Back and
my instant death ability is so overpowered. I'm sure we
could guess who recommended which one, but Recon welcome in.
Speaker 2: Buddy, Well, great to be back, Buddy, great to be back.
I hope you guys really enjoyed my recommendation.
Speaker 1: Actually we'll talk about it in a second.
Speaker 2: Wait to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 1: And Recon did recommend my instant death ability is so overpowered?
And Jordan welcome in, buddy.
Speaker 3: Hey, what's up everybody? How are you doing today?
Speaker 1: And he recommended look Back, which is an anime movie
that we're going to talk about here in a second.
And then I wanted to torture Recon, and so I
recommended Legend of the Glactic Heroes because I know how
much he loves older anime. Damn man, we want to
start with my instant death ability is so overpowered?
Speaker 2: Up keep whatever y'all want to do, Okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Recon with this anime I was very surprised. I
thought nothing could be worse than Smartphony Sakai, and it
found a way, it found away. I think I have
this classified as the worst anime I've ever dropped. I
gave it a one point I gave it a one
point five out of ten. No way, yeah, it got.
Speaker 2: Wait that was very easy. Was it the worst?
Speaker 3: But only one?
Speaker 2: There is no way this is like the worst thing.
Speaker 3: One go down to a point five. There's scores lower there?
Speaker 1: Why one of the logic behind the one point five? Yes, okay.
I gave it a point five for the opening. I
gave it a point five because it didn't look bad,
so that one right there. And I gave it an
extra point five because it made me laugh twice.
Speaker 3: What were those moments that me you laugh?
Speaker 1: When she like pulled a wand out of her tits
and I just like, I don't even if I was
laughing because it was funny. I think I was laughing
at the show.
Speaker 3: Off guard just and then she had.
Speaker 1: Another wand and I don't even I don't even remember.
I honestly, I watched these too close to when we
finished the last podcast, but it just I don't know,
I feel like, when you have an overpowered protagonist, it's
like you want them to either be badass or like
comedic because they were so overpowered, and I feel like
this show found a way to do neither. It tried
to do both and ended up doing neither. It had
like there was no stakes. If I had no identity
and truly badly, deeply, I think I would rather watch
paint dry.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's one way to start podcast.
Speaker 2: Breaks. I have a question, Okay breaks, have a question
for you. How do you feel that this protagonist can
actually destroy Saitama and Goku? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I don't care. He's a bad character and a bad show.
Speaker 2: Yeah he can literally kill.
Speaker 1: Them, Like, yeah, so easily. I guess he could if
they wanted to kill him. That resentment or that hatred.
I think they would neither Saytama nor Goku would want
to fight him nor hate him in any way.
Speaker 2: But they can't. They literally can't even think about hurting him.
That's how this this is probably the most overpowered character
in all of anime.
Speaker 1: Most likely well actually actually recon Goku's punches with beers
or multi versal level. They made the universe shake therefore,
hack abilities like this in an East Psichai world would
not be would not apply due to his he is
at such a higher level that the ants could not
do anything. Okay, okay, mister Spartipant's okay, okay, Jordan, what
did you think of this fulcan anime?
Speaker 3: All right, So I think I'm actually gonna throw you
a bit of a curve ball here, Briggs. I don't
know if you expected this, but we got to start
letting recon cook. I think he was actually kind of
onto something with this one. As a bit of a
heads up. I've seen a lot of bad Asa guy
right back when the Kai Boom I would watch at
least try out like every East of guy that kind
of came out there for a bit. So I finished,
like reincardinated in the second or another world for the
second time. I've watched gyp so the smartphone hesa guy.
I've seen some bad Issa guy, and there's a lot.
I couldn't even finish this one. I thought it was
kind of going down that route for the first three
or four episodes. Uh, and I know we only had
to watch three, so, like you know, I watched it.
There was some moments in there that some moments really
made me want to drop it, Like, uh, I guess
there's a bit of a spoiler for people. He killed
the cute cat girl, all right, he c he killed
a lot of cute girls, and that made me really sad.
But uh, but moving past that and continuing continuing to
watch it, I actually finished the sanname, No, you had
a fun time with it. I finished it, and I
had a fun time with it.
Speaker 2: There's no way you actually finished it. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: I did finish. I finished season one. I know there's
probably gonna be a season two at some point. I'm
here for it. So it was just a fun ride, right, Like,
once you start going, there's a lot of twists and turns,
and it kept me guessing. It was a lot of thought,
like it seems like it would be so predictable, and
parts of it are, but do those parts really matter? No,
Like there's other parts that it just it kept you
guessing on right, It was just a fun time, dude.
Speaker 1: I think the scene where like her boob brushed against
the guy in the first episode and I'm like, ha ha,
they I just show us that angle and then he
was like She's like why did you help me? Well,
your boob brush brushed against me. It's like, not only was,
it's just like, I feel like the jokes is fell flat.
They were so stupid.
Speaker 3: So yes, but it was so wholesome too. Besides that, right,
there's that one moment, and there's a couple other etchy moments.
But I was actually surprised how little etchy there actually was. Yeah,
it wasn't even the hair. It was very wholesome. They're
holding hands in the opening. They're on the front of
every Light Novel cover together. I don't know, I was.
I was genuinely a little bit surprised by how much
I enjoyed this show.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 3: I had more fun with it than I expected.
Speaker 2: I knew you, I knew you would like it, Jordan.
Speaker 3: So so I will say I tried to read the
Light novel. Initially, I read the first half of the
first Light Novel, which led up to about twelve minute
mark of the first episode, and you know, minus the
backstory part. They kind of tossed that in there, and
I dropped it. I couldn't really do it. I powered
through those first few episodes, and then after that, you know,
I don't know if it was because I was doing
a watch party or whatever. But like people came in
there like there's a lot of characters in this show,
and I was like, correction, there was a lot of
characters in the show. I don't have to remember names
because everybody dies. And then it's you're just having fun,
You're just continuing along, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm glad you enjoyed it. I
hope it got better after episode three. And to be honest,
something about an instant death ability that was neither badass
nor funny really got to me. It's like you couldn't
even have a good reaction to him killing your buddy.
It's like, I feel like everything was just like flatter
than I would expect from this type of show.
Speaker 3: But you got to remember his whole life, right, he's
had They go back, they he lived in like a
they go back. They explore his backstory and kind of
why he is the way he is.
Speaker 2: That power is not normally facility. He was kept in
a facility for all of his age.
Speaker 3: So because of that there, he's uh, he's not quite
like ordinary people. He's a little bit twisted in that way.
But uh, he's had a few impactful people in his
life that kind of taught him what humanity is, and uh,
you see how that kind of shapes who he is.
So I don't know it was.
Speaker 1: It was so you think together for what it was,
you think the protagonist with his backstory is well written.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say well written, but there was at
least some thought put into it, right, Like writing is
not easy.
Speaker 1: Standards are so low. There was at least some thought
put into it. Low key. When I watch this show,
I'm like, it was it a fucking school project. I think.
I think I was like reviewing one of my grade
seven's fucking like story like short short.
Speaker 2: Stories brings you're meant to enjoy watching a protagonist getting underestimated,
which is what was happening for like ninety almost probably
more than ninety percent. Everybody was underestimating the shit out
of this character and they're all just dying for it.
Speaker 1: Yeo, buddy, this this script was written on shatgybt.
Speaker 3: So Briggs Briggs. The things with the stuff like Isakai
and the problem I have with a lot of them
is a lot of the better stories out there are
inspired by something in real life or something from the
creator they're inspired by other pieces of art outside of
that medium. Isakais have kind of gone down that road
where they inspire one another, and it's kind of like
an or Boros in that way right where it's like
this Isakai inspired this other East guy, that then inspired
this other East guy, And there's so many that are
bland and whatnot. This one at least tried to kind
of break that mold. That poked some fun at some
of the others. Is like introduced characters that are like
the main protagonist in like h in some of the
bigger ekai, and it's like you thought they were broken,
here's why they're not right.
Speaker 1: Like comparatively, I can't wait for the sequel. My ability
makes people die before they even beat me. Y any
edith that might becaut my enemy died before we even
have the counter. I will agree.
Speaker 2: I don't care what everyone says. This this this is Aki.
When I first from watching it when it was airing
and then finished it completely, it was very fun. Yeah,
it's trash, it's very generic, but it was so fun.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I give it a one point five
out of ten because I felt bad to give it less. Okay,
I'm leaving at one point five out of ten, Jordan,
what are you giving it out of ten? I'm giving
it a three out of ten three at three solid three?
What are you giving it out of ten?
Speaker 3: This? On the first episodes, I was expecting like a
one maybe two? Why I beat my expectations.
Speaker 1: So if I checked chat maybe laughed so hard my
ability killed the whole world when I arrived.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go crazy with with how ISKI is going
at the moment. I don't know up each other right,
I don't know what kind of we're gonna be getting,
but my god, there's just endless creativity with this dude.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 1: I got to another world that the dvking died? Yeah, immediately? Okay, Rikai,
what do you what do you give this show out
of ten?
Speaker 2: Uh? For me? I? When I watched it, I was
a six out of ten. I was going to give
it a six out of ten. Six I liked them, Yeah,
six Outen? I liked him. Oh it wasn't mid. I
wouldn't give a five like. It wasn't mid. It was
it was solid for us, A solid ten, solid option.
Speaker 1: Ten point five out of thirty is the score we've
given this anime. Now, I just want to say, never
would have watched that one otherwise, But I'm glad Jordan
had fun and I actually will agree with recon. I
think the only thing the show did decent sometimes from
what I saw, was like the underestimating of their opponent.
Sometimes it felt like that was actually executed. It's like
they actually managed to write them underestimating the opponent versus
I feel like a lot of things where it's like
I feel like they're trying. It just felt like everything
felt flat, wasn't exaggerating in any way for an anime
that feels like it should be exaggerated, like the reaction
to killing your buddy should be so over the top,
or to this guy's abilities should be so over the top,
and I just like, I don't know, I felt like
everyone was stone. Well maybe I was stone watching this anime.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: One of the biggest climaxes the entire anime. The fight
was very anti climatic, uh, of course, but it's one
of the biggest climaxes. It's literally the villain telling him
that he's going to die and all this stuff, and
then he just literally goes, no you, no.
Speaker 1: Way.
Speaker 3: He just goes no you, and then that's the fight
that's like the climax and is like, man, that was
like the most anti climatic climax I think I've ever
seen in an anime.
Speaker 1: But you know what, anti climactic in itself could be
really funny and maybe that final scene is really funny,
although a lot of other moments was not funny for me.
At least it was.
Speaker 3: It was Okay, it was, it was it was amazing,
but it was fun.
Speaker 2: What a protagonist, man, what a fucking protagonist? Deal gidios.
Speaker 3: But you would recommend I would not recommend anybody this anime,
but he recommended it. I watched it and I had
a little bit of fun with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, that was that was exhausting. That
was exhausting, I the Aussie, almost as exhausting as watching
the show. But look Back, Look Back. Jordan recommended the
movie Look Back, guys. So we didn't watch episodes. We
watched a movie. And I think it's a gorgeous movie.
I think it's a beautiful movie. I really really enjoyed it.
I have a couple of critiques, but I will let
recon start off here, all right, trashhhhhhhhh there's no way
you thought looked back with trash, There's no way.
Speaker 3: Breaking my heart.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's listen.
Speaker 2: Listen. I thought it was I thought it was okay,
I thought it was nice. But I still think other
movies just do so much better. Like a silent voice
or I want to eat your pancreas is those two,
in my opinion, are way better.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm just not that much of
a fan of manga in general, because you know, I
don't read manga. I don't like books. I hate books.
And uh it's it's like, it's like, okay, we get
the story. It's about two characters joining in together and
they want to make manga together. Okay, so it was wholesome.
One of them gets jealous the other. One of them
gets jealous of the other because they think they're better.
And then they team up and a tragic accident happens,
and uh, yeah, did I cry? No, not as much
as a silent voice or I want to hear your pancreas.
It didn't. It didn't hit me like I was hoping
it for.
Speaker 1: Dude, I was depressed for the rest of it didn't
hit me like, okay, okay, the character went through the
depression arc, okay, but it just didn't hit me as
much as the Silent Voice or I want your pancreas.
Speaker 2: So for that reason, the movie was alright, not the greatest, alright.
Speaker 3: Favorite movies of all time. That was also great.
Speaker 1: What would you give it? A? A ten?
Speaker 2: Recon out of ten, I'll give it a seven higher.
Speaker 1: Than Opie Buddy just ripped on it and then gave
it a seven out of ten. Oh my god, it
is slightly better.
Speaker 3: Than my instant ability is overpowered. Okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: The thing is because my death ability is fun. But
this movie it was like it was made fun. Yeah,
It's just it just didn't make me cry. It was
like mid fun. It wasn't really that fun, but it was.
It was mid fun. It was an okay story, good character,
but yeah, just to make me move or feel anything.
Speaker 3: You know what, Recon, you're cook what we gotta stop letting.
Speaker 2: I want to hear what you saw breaks you. You
wanted this, you asked for it, you wanted this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, the preface I did tell Recon, I'm like,
don't feel don't hold back for me don't hold back.
You're gonna get hate comments. I'm sure you're gonna get
hate comments, but please don't hold back for the sake
of the podcast, because you would messaged me last week
this fucking anime is passed, this anime this, I hate
this that. Oh my god, this is torture or whatever.
And then he gets to the episode he's like, I
just don't like old anime. It's like, rip on it, dude.
If you want to rip on a rip on it
for the sake of the podcast, I think it makes
it entertaining. I will say, though, Recon what's really funny
to me is that you hate manga so much that
you even hate the creative process of art. It went
to the origins. It's like, I don't want to read manga.
I don't I hate reading manga. Then now a show
of about creating manga, I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's pretty much it. You you you really nailed
it with the breakdown, honestly, okay, perfect, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I actually feel tired episodes? What else? I think what
I really liked about look Back was kind of like
it was just watching these two characters that were both very,
very talented kind of be insecure in their art, motivated
by each other, kind of looking to each other for
the help and relying on each other and thinking less
of themselves. And it's like the struggle with the creative
process and trying to like please each other. It was
such an interesting dynamic between these two characters, and I
wish I could like rationalize my thoughts here, But it
was like one girl quit art at one point because
the other girl that was like that was like a
shut in, was better than her. But then the shut
in was working so hard because she saw the other
one's art and that's what got her into art in
the first place. It was like, so one person's inspired
by her sendpi and gets into the art, and then
Sempi sees her art, not knowing that she inspired her
and quits art because she's like, I could never be
as good as her. And then eventually they become friends
and team up, and you have this emotional run, Jordan.
That run is fucking cinema. That run is actually cinema.
The amount of emotions that were like told on her
running home after meeting up with this girl and like
getting back into art, from frustration to sadness to happiness
to like motivation and like looking forward to things. You
felt everything that she felt along this thirty second run
Home in the Rain.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: A gorgeous way of showing without telling. It makes me
so I want to talk about this more. Spoilers, guys, spoilers,
spoilers on look Back, Spoilers on look Back. You have
been warned. I think recom may I've already said it.
I was depressed in accident happened. A tragic accident happens
in the end, and I was definitely depressed. And I
think I'm okay with the tragic accident happening and the
realistic realism of the ending, and maybe some regret from
one of one of their parts and one of their halfs. However,
the alternate reality ending with like the manga thing going
underneath the door and like what could have been, but
then ending up in like a similar I don't, I don't.
I didn't really like it all right.
Speaker 3: I could touch all that here after a bit, but
it just gives your thoughts here.
Speaker 1: I wish I could. I'm trying to remember exactly how
like exactly my thoughts on this alternate ending that was shown,
and it wasn't even like what could have been if
they were less insecure in their own abilities or what
what what could have been if like things had a
happy ending. It was like, I think it's ended up
the same way, except for what the karate school and
saved her in the end. I don't know. I don't,
I don't, I don't remember. I don't remember exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's the thing, right is uh. I could probably
gush about this movie forever. But whenever you're reading the manga,
the very first word you see on that chalkboard at
the very start, the very first word on the page
is the word don't. And then the last words you
see in the in the manga are look back. So
you know the that's the thematic meaning I took away
from it was don't look back. And as she's processing
that grief, she's thinking back about you know what ifs?
What what if I never uh had never pulled her
out of that room, out of the safety of that
what could have been right? And even in those what
if scenarios, like there towards the very end, like all
everything was so different, but art is such a big
part of her life. There towards the end, she still
can't imagine her life without art, right, She's like, oh, yeah,
I started drawing again. Let's do this together. She's trying
to think of some way that that could have been,
like a happy ending as she processes that grief, and
I get having mixed emotions on that. But one of
my favorite things about that was, like you said at
the start, the impact that they had on one another
in life. They kind of put each other on a
pedestal and looked up to each other, And I don't
think they realized how big of an impact they had
on each other until there until the end. So whenever
she's imagining that what if scenario, she she thinks back
and in her mind, Kilmoto's life would have been mostly
the same, Right, she still would have been great at art,
she still would have gone dart school, she still would
have succeeded just fine without me. But it's only like
after processing that grief and like kind of walking to
the room herself, she sees how big of an impact
she had on Kiyomoto. Right with the sea on the
back of the door, Jersey is hind on the door,
still sitting there all the longest, She's written all over
the place and whatnot, Like even though they weren't in
contact for a few years and stuff there, like, the
impact that they had on each other's lives was very real. Right.
I think that's the overall message of the story is
you got to kind of take the weight of the
life you've lived, the people you've had interactions with and
impacted in their lives, and you got to take the
weight of all that. You've just got to continue walking
forward no matter what. Right, you keep that with you.
She puts it up on the window there at the
very end of the manga panel. She keeps it with her.
It's a part of her now that's never gonna go away.
But you got to keep moving forward, right, don't stay
in the past, don't keep looking back. You got to
always move forward. So thematically, I love it as a manga.
In the movie, you nearly.
Speaker 2: Brought a tear to my eye, Jordan with that speech.
Speaker 1: I do agree with Jordan, and I do agree like,
don't look back in the way of regret, Like what
could have been if I did this? What could have
been if I did this, if I was nicer, if
we didn't get into the fight, if I never pulled
her out of the room. Absolutely. But one of the
parts I really liked about the ending was seeing all
the happy times they had together. They kind of took
a time lapse of all the fun they had that
we didn't really get to see a lot of it,
and they showed us all this, all these years of
working together, having fun and like the bond that they
had together. And I like that because that's what you
should be looking back on and celebrating her life, like
celebrating her life, not the regret part. So I like that.
It's just I swear those fifteen minutes of like them
going back and like redoing it. I just didn't like
the execution of it, because I agree she ended up
going to art school regardless, and then the other girl didn't,
and then she ended up going to karate and saving her.
It was just a weird way of executing that. I
think they could have showed it in a better way.
If like, I don't, I can't. I can't think of the.
Speaker 3: Fust I like the better the second time around them
the first, just because I saw more of what they
were trying to do. But I do see I at
least see the first time I watched it. I think
that was the part that was probably my least favorite
part as well. So I at least see the complaint there, So.
Speaker 1: Like, what do you think they were trying to achieve
by showing that alternative reality? Like what was your what's
your main takeaway?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my main takeaway is, like I said, they didn't
really realize the impact that they hadn't one another's lives.
So in Fuji knows, she's like Kimoto would have she
would have been just fine without me, right, Like she
would have still done all that and stuff, And there's
probably no truth to that. She's processing the grief and
then whenever she there's a lot of different ways you
probably interpret it. That's kind of what I got from it.
So and then it wasn't until she actually kind of
faced the reality of the situation and how much of
an impact they had on each other that she was
able to kind of move forward with it.
Speaker 1: Now, imagine they did an alternate ending where she never
pulled her out of the room, only part of that
comic strip she saw or never saw any of the
comic strip, and she never left the room, and she
continued to do art for fun in that room. But
in the end, let's say she dies around a similar
age or something. It's like he goes out to grab
a newspaper and gets hit by a truck or something.
It's like she wouldn't have had any of those happy
memories they shared. Yeah, nor went to like further her
art more than just staying in her room and like
doing comics or whatever. Like, she achieved so much more
and had so much more fun. And I feel like
that could have been shown without her like going to
art school and then the pickact guy still going there,
and then her saving her with Corona. Yeah, he goes
a little bit over the top and like it achieved
a similar result, is not the result exactly great.
Speaker 3: Fujimoto is always a little bit over the top. He
just kind of whacky, very skylistic of that. So there's
a lot of didn't he make chainsaw Man as well? Yeah,
it's out there chainsaw Man, that's what he's most known for.
He's done a lot of one shots, so I have
a bunch of his one shots here in the back
Look Back's not even my personal favorite. I love good
Bye Airy, but but yeah, it's a it's one that
he put a lot of work in, though that was
really good as a manga, and my favorite part is that,
you know, as an anime, it was done by a small,
small studio. This is the longest thing they've ever done.
And the reason it's a small studio is it's because
it's like co founded by this uh one guy that
does a lot of work in the industry. He did
most of the things on this movie, so it was very,
very heavily influenced by him. He did the character designs,
a lot of the key frames, the the a freaking
art direction, et cetera. And he really wanted to bring
some of those big panel some of those big moments
I guess in their lives like to life and show
show it animated right, show it in ways you want
to be able to do in manga. So like a
big spread that's just two pages of her running in
the rain was turned into like a cinematic masterpiece, or
her at the very beginning when she first saw the
other art and compared it, right, she's running in frustration,
like those moments that are impactful in her life. I
feel like he just really brought those to life, and
you could tell it was a bit of a passion project.
There some short movie but one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it an a point three out
of ten. Okay, so I think it's not quite like
a nine, it's not quite an eight. So I give
it an a point three instead of an a point
five because I'm weird. You know, I have a lot
of anime at eight point five on my list, and
I feel like, I'm like, yeah, I have a couple
issues with this show, but other than that, it was
beautiful and they did so many things. Well, okay, so
recon't give it a seven. I gave it a day
point three. What did you give it, Jordan?
Speaker 3: I think I have it at a nine point five
on my list, so that's yeah, I really enjoyed it.
So I'm a big Fuji motive.
Speaker 2: Wait, so what did you what did you give A
silent voice? And if you watched I Want to Hit
your Pancreas? What did you give those two?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen I Want to Eat your Pancreas yet,
but I think I have a silent voice at like
a solid nine. I think I I love a silent voice.
But I did a lot of character analysis videos initially
when I made my YouTube channel, so I analyzed the
crap out of both the manga and the or the
anime for that over and over and over. I think
I burned myself out a little bit kind of when
I did that. So I still appreciate and love the movie,
but I think I did end up like having like
a nine just because of that. Right, it's one I
can't go back and uh rewatch all the time time, okay.
Speaker 1: Fair so for personal reasons. Yeah, I also hate your
reasoning where it's like you don't that you don't like
this anime movie because other anime movies are better. Like, obviously,
I have so many other anime movies I like more
than this. I like, I like your Name more than this.
I like Princess Moaning okay more than this, like for
the nostalgia, and it's honestly a beautiful movie. This is
real close to it that it's up there. But I
wouldn't hate this less, okay, or hate this more because
those are good anyway, Cee, I think.
Speaker 2: We all had valid reasons for why we hate them.
Speaker 1: No we didn't anyway. Legend of the Galactic Heroes my
my thick here recon take it away.
Speaker 2: God damn, this ship sucks balls?
Speaker 1: Why why why, why why?
Speaker 2: I hate old anime from the nineties. They look bad.
Speaker 1: Actually, the.
Speaker 2: Animation is everything is bad about this and honest sleep
I struggled once again, and you know what I did.
I skimmed through.
Speaker 1: You have to watch it. What is the blonde character's name?
Uh band?
Speaker 2: George? No? George? Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the point where I think, yeah, I think Ryan
hard when he kicked the dude in the balls and
bashed someone in the back of the head with a rock.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: So that was actually episode four. That means he watched
the episode what I did?
Speaker 1: Watch it for four? He watched He likes that.
Speaker 2: No, listen, listen, listen. I decided to give you like
one or one or two more episodes, but I really
hated it. That's how I felt like, I want to
kick this anime.
Speaker 1: Let me cut you off. Here I cut you. I
I accidentally talked over you earlier. What you were saying?
You said, it looks bad, they look bad, they sound bad.
Speaker 2: Everything looks bad. The anime looks bad, the animation is trying.
They sound bad. I hate it?
Speaker 3: Did you?
Speaker 2: I hate it?
Speaker 3: Soundtrack? Did you at least like the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: It was okay, the soundtrack honestly.
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was music.
Speaker 3: This is so sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was brilliant that the opiece sounds
like a national anthem. I thought that was really cool.
The background music during some of these epic wars is
really cool. I really enjoyed that. I will say Recon,
I kind of agree with you a little bit where
it's like, as much as I love anime and I
know that I'm probably going to be a banger, the
amount of dialogue and like it just looking so dated.
I even struggled with it even so.
Speaker 2: Why did you even recommend it in the first place.
Speaker 1: I've never watched it before, So I recommended something that
I thought I I just wanted to watch something that
was old, that was critically acclaimed.
Speaker 2: Uh this, nothing about this was literally critically acclaiming it
was shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's uh, we watched three episodes. Let's not let's
not get there. I think the concept of these gigantic
war is taking place, and yet how do I explain this?
It's I only watch three episodes, but what the what
did the narrator say in the beginning it's like the
effects of this war go on to effect affect future generations,
but also like have like very little effect on the
world at large. I can't remember the act.
Speaker 3: I mean there's many of planets because it's a space opera, right,
But yeah, it's been going on for hundreds of years,
and then these players that were watching are just kind
of one small part of that blip of history right
where where watching their perspective kind of on that conflict, right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, your thoughts, so hear your shot thoughts, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I feel like this one's kind of
right up my alley. I actually really enjoyed the first
few episodes, Like I feel like I was. I'd be
very biased towards this one. But it is a bit
tough for a format like this because with series like this,
you're gonna have a lot of information, don't make at
the start, You're gonna have a lot of setup. And
the first two episodes are this big battle that's that's
kind of laying the overlay of what both sides are,
a kind of what's going on, who the different players are,
and it's it's just basically a broad overview. Episode three,
you kind of zoom in more towards the Free Planets
Alliance and you see Yang and kind of what's going
on with him and those around him. Some of the
issues that they might have. How even if it's you know,
said to be a Free Planets Alliance and stuff, they
might not necessarily have freedom of speech or things like that. That, uh,
some of the things we take for granted, right, like
that she has the Secret Police coming after her because
she h she spoke out against this conflict that they're
kind of benefiting from.
Speaker 1: That. He was so funny, the twenty random dudes with
rods trying to attack one woman.
Speaker 3: Just came out and masks and all that. It's kind
of kind of terrifying and in that way. So we
zoom into that side. And then I watched another one
because I felt like they would do this, and I
was right. So what they did in episode four was
they zoom into the Empire and you kind of see
right hard and Sigfreed's backstory, what his motivations are. And
so I feel like the first four episodes even are
a lot of setup. You're kind of getting introduced to
the characters and things like that, and like, so this
was one hundred and ten episodes, anime that was made
over like nine years from eighty eight to ninety seven,
so I'm sure there's a lot more there.
Speaker 2: Jordan Key really watched the whole thing. Can you watch?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna keep watching this one. I'm not dropping it.
It's right up my alley. I enjoyed the first four
episode's quite a bit. I don't know, I feel like
I'm just kind of bias towards series like that. I
like soap opera type stuff. I like, uh, politically military
driven stuff in the in fiction, it was, it was fascinating.
I liked it. You can see since I've watched series
like that that are a little bit newer, it's fund
seeing where that inspiration came from as a and like
how this inspired the series that came after. Right. So yeah,
I enjoyed it a lot, but it is a bit
tough rating. Just the first four episodes get a bit
of a lower What we're what.
Speaker 1: We're trying to do here with these three episodes is
kind of just got a first impression, see what we
like and see if it would make us want to
keep on watching, Like we don't need to give it.
The rating out of ten is not more. We're not
judging the entire show, guys, We're just judging the first
few episodes. And for the most part, like what if
we liked it, disliked it, and if we plan on
continuing to watch it. For example, this show had things
I liked about it that first war, watching that guy
kind of take command, like help save the kind of
save the war. They were getting destroyed even though they
had more numbers because these other guys were like fighting
for pride and like not willing to like use certain strategies,
while rein hard was like catching them off guard, attacking
their weak points, attacking them before they were able to
get their ships out of their main main ship or whatever.
Like he had all these strategies, and even though it's
such a large war with millions of ships over hundreds
and hundreds of kilometers, so there's so much strategy involved.
Even the timing to reinforce another unit has to be considered,
and it's like, if we're not going to get their
own time to save them, then unfortunately, that's like sacrifice
you probably have to make. And the old commander couldn't
make it, and the new commander was able to make
that sacrifice. And that's why they were able to like
not lose more and more men, but millions of people died,
and you saw the effects of this on their families,
and like you said, Jessica who stood up and then
had like the police trying to take her out. There
was a lot of good things with this show, but
I will say there was also so much set up
and so much dialogue that I did find myself bored
at times. But again it's only the first three episodes.
The fact that I like characters and I like the
setup should make me want to keep on watching it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I lost. The strategies we saw in the first
couple episodes were very basic. It's like said, the tactics
employed by Ryan Hard are very fundamental. It was literally
just if they separate, we pick them off one at
a time. So I think it Yeah, more so than
anything like strategically that impressed me. It was more so
just almost like the commentary of of hierarchies and if
there's incompetence at the top, the kind of losses that
can be incurred from that. Yeah, as they had trouble
adjusting in real time and like uh and and reacting
to that type of type of basic tactic. Right. They
lost so many people because of that, and we saw
that effect an episode uh in episode three, But but yeah,
it basically it's it was the equivalent of of us
playing apex and them getting angles and us going, let's
go get the one guy over here by himself. As
as a two or three men unit. Right, it was
also a rig one at a time.
Speaker 1: Take one out at a time, catch people off guard,
attack them before they're ready, the little things like flanking,
Like there was this very simple strategy, Like you said,
it was really funny how there was a circle of
ships because they were all just trying to flank each other.
Speaker 3: So and then they're just.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, they're like it an, we're just gonna have
more losses on both sides. No one's winning them. Especially
at that point it was probably closer to two million
ships each. So at that point, we're just gonna kill
each other. There's no more strategy involved at this point.
Speaker 3: At that point, there was like a bit of winning
and losing on both sides as far as like the
Free Planet's Alliance at the start, they had no reason
to lose, but because they'd let themselves dig a hole
up to that point, getting out with just with that
result was considered kind of a win for the second half,
and then for Reinhardt, he like said he was the
underdog at the start of the first place, right, they
were out numbered, however many to I think they had
twice as many, right people, I could be wrong on that,
and then they had getting out, it was considered a
win overall.
Speaker 1: They had twice as many at first, and then by
the end it was pretty equal. So there's like, let's
just take get Out and consider to win on both
sides based on like the commander falling and this guy
taking over, et cetera. What are we going to rank
this out of ten guys?
Speaker 2: Okay, look, we get it. The whole show is a
space war trash characters, bad looks. I will literally never
talk about or watch this anime or ever again in
my life. I would rather watch the live action of
Death Note again. I would literally want to see light
I would love to see Light Turner again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was I gonna say? Fuck Ricon? I will
say though the character designs, while looking very old, I
did like how like unique everyone looked, and I feel
sometimes in modern anime, like my instant death ability they
all have the same fucking faces. Like sometimes they're hot,
don't get me wrong, but like they all like sometimes
they so many characters look too similar for me, and
they change the hair color and it's lazy. And if
I do find like some of these guys with their
receding hairlines, the older commanders, I enjoyed the character designs
for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would raid this a one out of ten
bye bye.
Speaker 1: One out of ten for Ricon Jordan.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of biased towards this thing, but since I'm
only rating the first few episodes, I'm gonna go ahead
and give it like a let's say, six point five
out of ten, right, I could. I could see it
going up with time. I see why it's one of
the classics just based off of that, and uh I
I imagine I would be a big fan and I
if I finished it, so I andiace towards this type
of show.
Speaker 1: I do think this is gonna be one of those
shows that gets better with every episode as the world
building and character of development happens. I'll give it a
six point five for now, and it's enough for me
to want to keep on watching. Yeah, but I will say,
what all are I was definitely bored at times because
it's a lot of like info dumps and dialogue, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could definitely see why people say, like we're
people would say it's not the best thing they've ever
seen if we watch it nowadays, right, But I could
see why it was like seeing as being ahead of
its time and a lot of the things it did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what is that twelve thirteen, fourteen out
of ten, I mean fourteen out of thirty. So highest
ranked for us would be look back at twenty four
point eight out of thirty. Lowest strength is recons with
ten point five out of thirty, and mine in the
middle once again with fourteen out of thirty. Do we
know what we want to recommend for next week?
Speaker 3: I believe I have hear me out, boys, I was
lower nineties. Please this week I proved that I could.
I could recommend something good if I want to. I'm
gonna let you guys go first, but just heads up.
I think I'm gonna try to be chaotic and go
back and forth. I just want to avoid that middle area.
So uh, let's see if I can get the lowest
strength again next recall, what are you.
Speaker 2: Think you go first, because I want you to first.
Speaker 1: I had a couple I keep on like changing my pick.
I had some ideas, and now I think I'm determined
to get recon to like an old anime.
Speaker 2: Please stalk with the nineties.
Speaker 1: I'm begging you, manase it might be two thousands. Probably not.
It has a good first three episode. It's definitely not.
It has a good first three episodes. I'm determined to
get recon to like an old anime. The bias towards
the looks to be beaten by the quality of the
characters and the storytelling.
Speaker 2: I know at the very least that I was like
a boxing anime. That's all I pretty much know.
Speaker 3: One of the goats. It's one of my only uh
it's one of the only manga like in my top
five for manga and then also top ten for anime series.
Speaker 2: It's just like the like, there was a boxing anime
that I really enjoyed. It was Megalo Box. If you
guys watched it, that was really dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah my little Boxes all right, but EPO is better,
I will say so. You're lucky I didn't recommend Astro Boy,
one of the first god ever made bro.
Speaker 3: Old School.
Speaker 2: You can't torture me like that.
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 2: Oh god, how I made in two thousands? Bro?
Speaker 1: No skimming, no skimming, don't talk able to two thousand
a millionaires? Ago? Shut up five years ago.
Speaker 3: It was made by early two thousands. Madhouse though, so
like it local sounds really good for for the era
it was made.
Speaker 1: So I agree.
Speaker 2: Actually I think this I think this animal is on Netflix.
I' much check it out on Netflix, that huge recone.
Speaker 1: What's your recommendation, dude?
Speaker 2: So since I gave you a generic trash is Achai,
let's see if I can find something a bit more better.
Have you? How about we go a little bit overboard? Shimanetta?
How about that Shimanetta?
Speaker 3: People, I've never seen it?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's what I want you guys to watch.
You're you're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: People have been wanting me to watch it for a
long time. I may have watched one episode, all right,
I'm thinking of the same the right thing. It's gold.
Speaker 2: Gold, isn't the one.
Speaker 1: Where the girl where that they were like fucking panties
on their head and it's like, uh, sexual stuff is
banned or something.
Speaker 2: You're on the right track.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're on the right track, Jordan, what was the
first one? Again? That means I need to recommend something
that you guys probably won't like, but it's something I
still like. Right, So I need to I need to
go down a little bit. I'll also go older than
I've gone thus far.
Speaker 2: No, please, don't mean you guys I've.
Speaker 3: Never heard of before. No, it's it's early two thousands,
so three two thousand and four around that time. It's
called Rumbling Hearts, Rumbling Heart. Yeah, it was a visual
novel adaptation that's basically like a soap opera. Like it's
just think of it as like watching The Young and
the Restless. You guys, you guys will have a good time.
Speaker 2: It's Hearts Rumbling Hearts.
Speaker 3: I'll send a link to it here after the podcast.
Speaker 1: Is it.
Speaker 3: No, it's one A lot of people like it's It's
never been like highly acclaimed or anything like that. It's
just one that personally like left an impact on me.
All right, So it's a storm melodramatic, very soap operay.
But I like it. I like drama.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely does look like a visual novel, that's
for sure. But the two girls and the front interesting guys.
I studio, my studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I could call this episode that
we did today the good, the bad, and the ugly anime.
So we got the good look back, the bad instant
death ability, and the ugly legends like a lot of heroes.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's not that ugly. It looks
pretty I thought it looked pretty good.
Speaker 2: Why am I literally the only one? That's why? Am
I literally the only one recommending modern anime while you
guys recommend old ass anime.
Speaker 3: I just recommended a twenty twenty four movie.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah he did, Yeah, he just recommended.
Speaker 3: This is my first old anime.
Speaker 2: This is all right?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, guys, that was fun. RecA, I
have a question for you. Yeah, do we do we
know how many episodes of like this new season of
anime are out?
Speaker 2: A lot of the anime are out of the moon,
a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But like not like a two or three is really
only one?
Speaker 2: So no, all of the episode ones I think are
out of the moment. The episode two's no, not.
Speaker 1: So much episode two. Okay, so now, but.
Speaker 2: If you one, we can give like first impressions basically
that's what we can do.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think next week, we're still gonna do this
series like Hadrepo, Shimunetta, Rumbling Hearts, and I think the
week after that maybe we'll do a break from this
and watch some seasonal stuff and talk about that. Let's
go first episode or first or second episode of each
or not of each, but like maybe like the first
like ten or fifteen shows, if you guys are down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down to do some seasonals.
Speaker 1: Hey, okay, all right. On that note, Jordan, thank you
for joining me.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Was a blast, was a pleasure.
Speaker 1: And just like that, we'll see all next time. Space Cowboys,
bang shimpoku, fuck you Ricon.
Speaker 3: Later he stopped, like, let's go on,