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smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for

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your support. Last hour, I started going over some of

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the highlights of this pretty lengthy piece by Helen Andrews

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at Compactmagazine. Compactmag dot com headlined the Great Feminization, and

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she's talking about essentially evolutionary biology, evolutionary psychology, and how

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men and women behave differently in group settings. And when

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you have an organization that becomes, you know, dominated by men,

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there were certain behaviors and practices that occur that would

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not occur in an organization that is dominated by women,

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and vice versa. And again I gotta say standard disclaimer.

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I'm not saying one of these is better than the other.

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They are just different. And so what we are seeing though,

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you know, from a historical perspective, since women entered the workforce,

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they became you know, they rose to fifty percent of

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workforce population in particular industries and then took over the

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majority position. And a lot of these industries have become

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female dominated in the last ten years. And what Helen

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Andrews is arguing is that woke is feminization, that's that

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the tactics are applicable. What we consider to be woke

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is sort of this manifestation of a feminization of organizations

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or institutions. And she talks about different industries in this piece,

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but she says the one that frightens her the most

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is the law, which I will give you the stat again,

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because she went through these industries here earlier. In the

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law schools became majority female in twenty sixteen, law firm

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associates became majority female in twenty twenty three, and in

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the law she said, all of us depend on a

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functioning legal system, and to be blunt, the rule of

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law will not survive the legal profession becoming majority female.

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The rule of law is not just about writing rules down.

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It means following them even when they yield an outcome

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that tugs at your heartstrings or runs contrary to your

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gut sense of which party is more sympathetic. Justice is blind, right,

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She says, a feminized legal system might actually resemble more

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of those Title nine courts that we saw colleges set

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up where you could not face your accuser, where the

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burden of proof was not on the accuser, right, but

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on the defendant. The sort of kangaroo college courts that

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were developed that stacked the deck against the accused, which

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were mostly dudes, right, lives ruined, kicked out of the

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colleges and stuff based on mere accusations. That kind of thing.

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That's not the rule of law, as she says, it's

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more than just writing rules down. It means sometimes you

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may have a sympathetic person in front of you, but

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if they violated the law, then you hold them to

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account under the rule of law. But if you have

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an overly feminized organization that is now interpreting the laws

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and meeting out the justice, does that kind of go

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in a different direction. How about empathy? Right, everybody likes

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to talk about empathy. I don't know when this sort

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of happened, but it used to just be sympathy. People

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could just sympathize with somebody else, you know, my deepest sympathy,

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so I sympathize with you. But then somewhere along the lines,

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within the last decade, I feel like the word empathy

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started being thrown all around. And this now ties into

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a piece or a book rather that doctor Gad Sad

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is writing right now called suicidal Empathy. And if you

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don't know who doctor said is, and that's Saad Gad said.

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He is a public intellectual and considered to be a

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trailblazer in applying evolutionary psychology to consumer behavior. Okay, he's

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got a podcast, I believe, and he wrote the He

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wrote a book called The Parasitic Mind, How infectious ideas

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are killing common sense, And he's working on this new one.

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I think it may almost be out at this point,

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Suicidal Empathy, and it examines the descent to madness by

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highlighting the inability to implement optimal decisions when our emotional

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system is tricked into a hyperactive form of empathy, and

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then that empathy is deployed on the wrong targets. How

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does this manifest itself? He says, this is how the

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rights of a minuscule minority of trans women, in other words,

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men biological men, right, But their rights trample the rights

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of actual women in athletic competitions. It's how illegal immigrants

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end up receiving greater usaid than American veterans or American

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victims of natural disasters. Evolution has endowed our emotional and

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cognitive systems with the capacity to deploy our resources strategically.

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This is why parents are willing to jump in front

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of a bus to save their kids, but they're not

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as likely to sacrifice their lives to save a random

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child across the globe. It does not make them callous,

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it's Darwinian right. They do cost benefit trade offs rooted

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in universal features of human nature. When empathy gets elevated

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to this highest virtue, then people will literally sacrifice their

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own lives, their own civilizations, in honor and service to

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that virtue. And I saw doctor said Uh interviewed by

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Coleman Hughes the other day, and he he gave the analogy,

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was it seppuku or seppuku? Where Uh like the this

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is part of like the Japanese culture where the warriors

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would rather kill themselves than to than to bring shame

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or dishonor so they would they would kill themselves because

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honor was elevated to the highest virtue in the society,

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and rather then run a foul of that highest virtue,

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it would be it would be better to not be alive. Now,

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swap out honor with empathy. And if you can't empathize

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with you know, these these poor people that are coming

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from this other country, they just want a better life

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and maybe, okay, find some of them want to actually

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like destroy the country and blow up a bunch of

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Jews and stuff. How dare you not have empathy? You

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see this happening in the UK right now, that's what

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you're seeing. That's suicidal empathy. That's my opinion. You're seeing

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suicidal empathy on display. They have lost the ability to

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prioritize self preservation at the expense of empathy, right they

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elevate that to the highest virtue. And I would submit

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that that is not something that a more masculine society

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would elevate. I think that is evidence of a feminized society.

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And that's what Helen Andrews is getting at in her

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piece at Compact magazine. And then she cites an example.

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And I have cited this example since it happened. I

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said this at the time. It was happening that it

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radicalized me, and it was the bread have an all

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confirmation as I covered that, I watched all of it.

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I watched all of it. I covered all of it.

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I interviewed people throughout the hearings. We played audio, we

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took phone calls and stuff, had conversations with men and

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women alike about it. And there was one particular conversation

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I had that sort of opened my eyes to this

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more transparent. All right, So I said that Brett Kavanaugh accusations,

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his confirmation hearings. Right, This was a radicalizing moment for

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me personally in my life because I was watching this

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unfold and the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is supposed to

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be weighing evidence and that sort of stuff, they just

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blew through all of these guardrails, and I understood the

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political motivations for doing so. There was a conversation I

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had with there was a It was a friend of

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my aunts. They had come to town. I was working

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in Nashville at the time. They had come to town

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for weekend vacation or whatever, and so I met them

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out for dinner. And this was right during the Kavanaugh

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hearings and such. And her friend was on the left

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and in talking with her about the you know, the

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actual evidence and the accusations and all of that stuff,

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and I was just I just kept asking her questions,

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and at some point she finally admitted that none of

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the evidence really mattered. She just empathized with the accuser,

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Christine blazey Ford, doctor Christine blaze Ford. She just empathized

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with her. Why because I looked at Brett Kavanaugh, and

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I see the guy in my past that didn't do

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to me what he's accused of doing to blaze Ford,

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but he made me feel uncomfortable. And so she's like

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projecting onto Kavanaugh all of these grievances that she has

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with some other guy, and she projects it onto him

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and empathizes with the quote. Victim in the case puts

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herself in blazy Ford's position, and so then becomes a

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staunch defender. And at that point, none of the logic,

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none of the arguments, none of the evidence mattered, none

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of it. She would not be moved. That's when things

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started becoming clear for me. And that's why when I

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was reading this piece and I came across this example,

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I was like, totally get it. She says, these two

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approaches to the law clashed vividly in the Brett Kavanaugh

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confirmation hearings. The masculine position was that if Christine blazy

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Ford cannot provide any concrete evidence that she and Kavanaugh

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were ever in the same room together, well, then her

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accusations of rape cannot be allowed to ruin his life.

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That was my position. She has no actual evidence that

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she ever even met him. The feminine position was that

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her self evident emotional response was itself a kind of credibility,

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and that the Senate Committee must respect that. And that's

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the difference. And again, it's just difference. Neither one is

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automatically better or worse, good or bad. However, when applied

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to certain situations or institutions, environments, or businesses, there can

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be some downsides. The great feminization, she calls it is

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truly unprecedented. Other civilizations have given women the vote, granted

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them property rights, or let them inherit the thrones of empires,

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But no civilization in human history has ever experimented with

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letting women control so many vital institutions of our society,

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from political parties to universities to our largest businesses. Even

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where women do not hold the top spots women set

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the tone in these organizations such that a male CEO

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has to operate within the limits set by HR human resources.

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I have never worked at a place that had a

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male HR director never. Why is that? I mean, just

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statistically speaking, you would think, right that a dude would

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somehow or another be in HR somewhere. I've never had one.

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We assume, she says, that these institutions will continue to

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function under these completely new circumstances. But what are the

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grounds for that assumption? See, this is a very good

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question that she's asking. Once again, this is something that

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no civilization has ever experimented with before, has seen before,

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has realized before. And again I'm not saying we shouldn't

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do it. I'm just saying, just like everything else, there

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are trade offs, right. The problem, she says, is not

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that women are less talented than men, or even that

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female modes of interaction are inferior in any objective sense.

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The problem is that female modes of interaction are not

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well suited to accomplishing the goals of a lot of

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major institutions. And if you just step back and think

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about it logically for a minute, if these major institutions

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were created a long time ago who created them dudes? Right,

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and so they in their little boys club would have

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constructed this institution to operate in a way that they

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felt comfortable with, that they understood. And now you are

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reworking the way these institutions operate. And is that always good?

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Is it always for the betterment of the institution. Maybe

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an institution is bettered, right, maybe it is improved, but

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maybe it isn't right. Maybe maybe the downside is such

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that it destroys the institution. Can we even can we

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even ask the question? Can we even examine that? That's

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what Helen Andrews is asking, And I think it's perfectly

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appropriate to do so. Right, if we're living through and

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then this is from Tom who says, Pete, I'm not

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proud of it, but Christy blazey Ford matriculated at my

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alma mater. Unc. Oh, you can't help. I mean, they'll,

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you know, take anybody. I'm kidding, I kid. Helen Andrews

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Compact Magazine calling this the Great feminization and it is unprecedented,

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and so we don't know what the end result will be,

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what the institution's group dynamics will will look like, how

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they'll operate in that sort of thing. There there will

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be downsides. Okay, there will be downsides. She says, there

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are many people who think that the Great Feminization is

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a naturally occurring phenomenon. Women were finally given a chance

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to compete with men, and it turned out they were

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just better. Right, That's why there are so many women

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in newsrooms, running political parties, managing corporations. Right, that's what

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I've heard, And like, I am all for the competition, right,

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let the best candidate win. Right. However, Helen Andrews argues

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they're wrong. Feminization is not an organic result of women

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out competing men in all of these different positions. She

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calls it an artificial result of social engineering. And if

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we take our thumb off the scale, it'll collapse within

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a generation. The most obvious thumb on the scale is

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anti discrimination law. It is illegal to employ too few

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women at your company. If women are underrepresented, especially in

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your higher management, well that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.

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As a result, employers give women jobs and promotions they

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would otherwise not have gotten, simply in order to keep

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their numbers up. Again, I'm not saying every single woman

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in a position of leadership didn't earn it. I'm not

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saying that. However, there are people that have been elevated

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in order to avoid lawsuits. This is a rational thing

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for businesses to do, because the consequences for failing to

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do so can be dire. She then lists a whole

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bunch of companies that got sued and had to shell

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out millions and millions of dollars. So, right, anti discrimination

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law and the threat of lawsuits requires that every workplace

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be feminized to some degree. There were a bunch of

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Silicon Valley companies that got hit with lawsuits alleging frat

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culture or a toxic bro culture, right, And like, I

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understand why that would not be a comfortable place to

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work in. I don't think I would actually like to

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work in some toxic bro culture. It's toxic, right, It's

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right there in the description. I don't want to work

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in a toxic place. Right. So, women can essentially sue

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their bosses for running a workplace that feels like a

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fraternity house. But what of the alternative? Can men sue

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when their workplace feels like a Montessori kindergarten? No, they cannot,

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And so what is the rational natural response? Well, employers

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err on the side of making the office, as she

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calls it, softer. So, if women are thriving more in

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the modern workspace, is that really because they are out

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competing men? Or is it because the rules have been

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changed to favor them? And I recognize the danger in

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simply asking the question. If this piece were written by

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a guy, I would feel way less comfortable doing it

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today on the show. But the fact that a woman

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wrote this, I feel more comfortable giving you the information

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because it removes me from the equation. Right. This is

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what she is saying. This is what she is arguing.

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She's positing these questions. Once institutions reach a fifty to

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fifty split between the genders, she says, they then tend

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to blow right past gender parody and they become more

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and more female. So there's never a balancing that occurs.

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It never stays at a fifty to fifty. It always

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becomes just more and more and more and more women dominated.

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She says. That does not look like women outperforming men.

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It looks like women driving men away by imposing feminine

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norms on previously male institutions. Right, just like if a

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woman were to go to work at a place and

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it was a toxic bro culture. She would not want

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to hang around there, right, she wouldn't want to stay

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because it's a toxic bro culture. Well, what's the inverse?

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Is there even? Is there even a label for the

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opposite a toxic sis culture? No, sis is already taken

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with the trans thing. So uh yeah, Like, is there

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a toxic female culture? No, of course, not no such thing.

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Why would there be no such thing as that? Again,

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I refer you to the documentary Mean girls, there is

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such a thing. Right, People are people, male or female.

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They are people, and you put him in a group

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dynamic setting, and they're jockeying for power or influence or

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friendship or prestige or whatever. Right they're going to behave

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in certain ways in that group dynamic. And this idea

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that we can identify when a male culture behaves badly,

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but we can't identify when a female dominated culture behaves

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badly too, Like, that's well, that seems illogical. What man

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wants to work in a field where his traits are

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not welcome? What self respecting male graduate student would pursue

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a career in academia when his peers will ostracize him

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for stating any disagreements too bluntly or espousing a controversial opinion.

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Didn't they fire that guy what was his name, James

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Devour or de Moour whatever from what was it Google

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or something who was pointing out in a slack chat

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with colleagues about, you know, why aren't there more women

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coding and in it and programming and stuff. And he

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was like going through and he's talking about all of

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the differences between men and women, men being interested in

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things and women being interested in people, and like there

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may be biological differences. And he got fired for it.

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Is that something a masculine workplace would do or is

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that something a more feminine workplace would do? She says,

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our window to do something about the great feminization is closing.

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There are leading indicators and lagging indicators of feminization, and

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we are currently at the in between stage when law

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schools are a majority female but the federal bench is

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still majority male. In a few decades, the gender shift

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will have reached its natural conclusion. Many people think wokeness

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is over, slain by the vibe shift, but if wokeness

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is the result of demographic feminization, then it will ever

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David Strom one of my favorite writers over at hot

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air dot com. He said, seeing the cultural Marxist roots

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of woke tells you the what what. Helen Andrews breaks

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down in her essay The Great Feminization. This explains the

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why the why Woke became so strong. It also warns

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us that our gains in fighting woke may be temporary,

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because the why behind the what is still going strong again.

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Her thesis is that Woke has become so powerful because

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our institutions have become feminized, and women have different values

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than men. They prioritize different things than men. They behave

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in a group dynamic differently than men. I'm not saying

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better or worse. I'm saying different. They're different. The decline

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of universities corresponds nicely with this thesis. Higher education is

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now a feminine pursuit. It's openly hostile to males and masculinity.

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Corporate America has feminized, and if you think of the

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recent corporate disasters at Disney, bud Light, and Cracker Barrel,

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a consistent theme develops, which is men are allowed as

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long as they are emasculated. Not all men fit the

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masculine stereotype, just as not all women fit the feminine stereotype.

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But as classes, as groups, the truth is general after all, right,

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so generally speaking, right, Because the truth is general, men

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and women think fundamentally differently and act very differently in groups.

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Generally speaking, men work collaboratively in a different way than women,

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and women's aggression is more likely to manifest as exclusion

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from an in group cancelation. Right. That's why Andrews is

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arguing that cancelation is a feminine tactic, this cancelation And again,

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like I mentioned this earlier from her piece, and I've

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heard women wonder at like, well, wait a minute, weren't

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you guys just like you guys were just fighting. You

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two dudes just like beat each other up the other

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day and now you're best friends. How does that happen?

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And guys don't really understand it. They're like, I don't know,

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He's all right, I guess, you know, like that's and

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what she says. From an evolutionary standpoint, you know, men

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were engaging in war, but the end of the war

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was predicated on you and me being able to live

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side by side. If we both survived the war, obviously

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we live side by side, and then there's peace and so.

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And that's more of an external thing, tribe versus tribe,

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whereas the conflicts that women, from an evolutionary standpoint would

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encounter were internal to the tribe, and so there was

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no sort of off ramp there because you're always in

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the tribe and you don't want to be, you know,

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extradited from the tribe. That's death right. So you have

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to work in more covert ways. You have to shun people,

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and you engage in just different kinds of conflict resolution

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than guys do. Men and women are different, not saying

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one is better, just pointing this out. I feel like

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I've said that enough times. Rodney says on the text line, Pete,

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you keep making your point by trying to explain and disclaimer.

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Oh sorry, he says, you keep making your point when

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you're explaining and giving that disclaimer to the conversation. See

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Rodney got it. The mere fact that I have to

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keep saying that thing is because I am worried about

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it being misinterpreted by generally speaking women, because I understand

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that men and women hear things. I've been doing this

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a long time, and things I've said in the past,

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and I will get an explosion of emails from women

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who think they heard me say something or they interpreted

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it a certain way. And the guys are like, I

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understood what you were saying, because again, men and women

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are different. I'm not saying one's better. You need both

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of them, right. Helen Andrews says, as a woman myself,

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I'm grateful for the opportunities I have had to pursue

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a career in writing and editing. Thankfully. I don't think

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solving the feminization problem requires us to shut any doors

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in women's faces. We simply have to restore fair rules.

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Right now, we have a nominally meritocratic system in which

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it is illegal for women to lose. Let's make hiring

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based on merit in substance and not just name, and

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we will see how it shakes out. Make it legal

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to have a masculine office culture again. Remove the HR

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Lady's veto power. I think people will be surprised to

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discover how much of our current feminization is attributable to

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institutional changes like the advent of HR, which we're brought

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about by legal challenges, and which legal challenges can reverse.

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I don't know if that will ever happen. I really don't.

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It's an interesting idea, it's an interesting thought experiment. I

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don't think that will ever happen unless maybe legal challenges

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tear it down. But yeah, toxic frat bro culture not allowable,

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toxic feminine culture totally allowable. That's where we are, all right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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