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Speaker 2: All right. So this story takes place in December twenty
Speaker 2: seven teen, and in that during that time, the tranquil
Speaker 2: affluence of Toronto's North York neighborhood was shattered by a
Speaker 2: discovery that would captivate Canada and spark one of the
Speaker 2: nation's most perplexing criminal investigation. Barry Sherman, who was the
Speaker 2: billionaire founder of a generic drug giant company called Apotax,
Speaker 2: and his wife Honey were found dead in their mansion
Speaker 2: and their bodies were positioned just kind of like a
Speaker 2: weird The way that they were left was just kind
Speaker 2: of odd, unnatural. Yeah, unnatural. Barry Sherman. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you a little bit about Barry. He was born in
Speaker 2: Toronto in nineteen forty two, the son of hardworking Jewish
Speaker 2: parents who instilled in him a strong work ethic and
Speaker 2: a drive for success. From an early age, Barry showed
Speaker 2: a keen intellect and an entrepreneurial spirit. He excelled in
Speaker 2: his studies, graduating from the University of Toronto's Engineering physics program.
Speaker 1: Like Nice, he was smart, smart, Yary.
Speaker 2: And he later earned a doctorate in astrophysics from the
Speaker 2: Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT. Oh my goodness, but it
Speaker 2: was in the world of pharmaceuticals that Barry made his fortune.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy four, he founded Apotax, which, like I said,
Speaker 2: was a generic drug company, and Barry's business acumen and
Speaker 2: aggressive tactics in challenging drug patents made patents made apo
Speaker 2: Tax a major player in the industry, and like I said,
Speaker 2: he became a billionaire. Right At the time of his death,
Speaker 2: it was estimated that he was one of the wealthiest
Speaker 2: people in Canada, with a net worth of approximately four
Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Shut off. By my gosh, the money is in the drugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the pharmaceutic calls. Man. Of course, we know how
Speaker 2: shitty healthcare exactly.
Speaker 1: Pharmaceuticals and drugs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the afortune for my drugs, my legal drugs, colts,
Speaker 4: let's throw some quote pharmaceutical drug.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you a little bit about his wife, Honey.
Speaker 2: Honey was born in nineteen forty eight. She was also
Speaker 2: born to Jewish immigrants in Toronto. She met Barry while
Speaker 2: she was still a teenager, and they married in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one. Honey was known for her vivacious personality and
Speaker 2: her dedication to philanthropic causes, because the Shermans used to
Speaker 2: donate a lot of money to various charities together. They were, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were. They spent their money that way, this wonderful
Speaker 2: power company. They were this wonderful power couple in Toronto's
Speaker 2: social and charitable circles, and they donated to places like hospitals, universities,
Speaker 2: and various Jewish organizations. Oh nice, Yeah, so their life
Speaker 2: seemed pretty charmed from the outside. Yeah. They had four children,
Speaker 2: They lived in a big, beautiful mansion, and they were
Speaker 2: celebrated for their business success and their charitable giving. Barry
Speaker 2: was appointed to the Order of Canada in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: which is very similar to the Congressional Medal of Honor
Speaker 2: that's given in the United States. So the Order of
Speaker 2: Canada is for people who make extraordinary contributions to Canadians, right, okay,
Speaker 2: And he got this medal just months before his death,
Speaker 2: and it was in recognition of his entrepreneurship and philanthropic work. However,
Speaker 2: beneath the surface of their seemingly perfect lives, there were applications.
Speaker 2: Barry was known for his extremely litigiousness. His extreme litigiousness,
Speaker 2: so he was suing every fucking body who engaged in
Speaker 2: numerous lawsuits, both personal and professional. They were also embroiled
Speaker 2: in a long running family dispute with Barry's cousins, who
Speaker 2: claimed that they owned a stake in Apotax, dating back
Speaker 2: to a supposed business arrangement from decades earlier. So he's
Speaker 2: always caught up in court. But despite these challenges, nothing
Speaker 2: in the public eye really suggested of what was to come.
Speaker 2: They were at the time of their dusk, they were
Speaker 2: planning a trip to Florida. You know, they had these
Speaker 2: plans in place. So the last known sighting of Barry
Speaker 2: and Honey Alive was on December thirteenth, twenty seventeen. Late
Speaker 2: that afternoon, the couple met at Barry's office at Apotax,
Speaker 2: at their headquarters, and they were discussing design changes for
Speaker 2: their new home. They were selling the home that they
Speaker 2: currently lived in. In that house they had been in
Speaker 2: for almost thirty years, but Honey wanted to be closer
Speaker 2: to Toronto's downtown area. Okay, they were building a new twenty
Speaker 2: five million dollar mansion in the Forest Hill neighborhood of Toronto,
Speaker 2: and that place is one of the most exclusive neighborhoods
Speaker 2: in Toronto rarely, so she was there, you know, wanting
Speaker 2: to discuss these design changes with Barry. Yeah, and at
Speaker 2: the time, she was preparing to leave for a holiday
Speaker 2: vacation to Miami because it's close to Christmas, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, the thirteenth, So she was planning to leave
Speaker 2: to go to Miami in a few days and then
Speaker 2: Barry was supposed to join her in Miami the week
Speaker 2: the next week.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're trying to sell their house that they've had,
Speaker 1: their mansion of thirty years, so they can move downtown
Speaker 1: to the exclusive and they're getting ready to fly out.
Speaker 1: Are they like snowbirding it or something.
Speaker 2: I think it was just for a vacation, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: for a few weeks. But I don't think they had
Speaker 2: a permanent residence or even a vacation they probably okay,
Speaker 2: I don't think they spent like months and months there
Speaker 2: their lives. You know, Barry still worked at Apotex and yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, on a regular basis, so I believe.
Speaker 1: They get away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just for the holidays.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That evening, from home, Barry sent a routine email to
Speaker 2: his Apotex staff regarding a drug that was in development,
Speaker 2: but unusually, he didn't make any phone calls that night,
Speaker 2: which was really out of character for him, because he
Speaker 2: suffered from insomnia, so he would make phone calls late
Speaker 2: into the night, but he didn't make any that night.
Speaker 2: The following day, December fourteenth, Barry did not arrive for
Speaker 2: work at Apotex, which raised the eyebrows of the staff.
Speaker 2: It was really unusual for him to miss work like
Speaker 2: especially without telling anyone. Right, However, it doesn't appear that
Speaker 2: anybody really did anything like didn't call the check or
Speaker 2: didn't call the police or do a welfare check or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, no one started the ball rolling.
Speaker 2: No, not two things, right, So it was only until
Speaker 2: the following morning, December fifteenth. So the thirteenth is the
Speaker 2: last time they were found or their last scene alive.
Speaker 2: And now on the fifteenth their home. They weren't expected
Speaker 2: to be there, so the cleaning staff had already arrived
Speaker 2: and they entered using a lock box which was left
Speaker 2: by the real estate people were showing who were going
Speaker 2: to be showing the house, And around mid morning, two
Speaker 2: real estate agents arrived with a couple that was interested
Speaker 2: in possibly purchasing this house. Right, So, after showing the
Speaker 2: potential buyers the main floor, the agents led them downstairs
Speaker 2: to view the lamp pool and hot tub area. And
Speaker 2: it was there then, and it was there that they
Speaker 2: made this horrific discovery. Can you imagine you're going to
Speaker 2: see a house, you're just gonna go, and you find
Speaker 2: the owner's dead, Like.
Speaker 1: This is like a scene in a movie. Chit chatting
Speaker 1: down to the indoor pool and blah blah, blahl's so
Speaker 1: good and you're like, right, god, exactly.
Speaker 2: Their bodies were found on the ground next to the pool.
Speaker 2: They both had leather belts around their neck which were
Speaker 2: tied to a metal railing that was a little over
Speaker 2: a meter high, and this railing surrounded the pool. Barry
Speaker 2: was seated on the pool deck with his legs crossed
Speaker 2: like like you're sitting up and your legs are you know,
Speaker 2: your ankles are crossed. Honey was laying on our side
Speaker 2: and her face showing obvious bruising. Their coats were pulled
Speaker 2: down over their shoulders, so like you know, you think
Speaker 2: you pull it down like from behind on someone. So
Speaker 2: their rooms were restrained. And other than that, they were
Speaker 2: both fully clothed and they were facing away from the
Speaker 2: pool right and one of the real estate agents later
Speaker 2: described how they were laying was sort of like a
Speaker 2: meditation or a yoga pose, is how it looked to
Speaker 2: that person. Honey's cell phone was found in a bathroom
Speaker 2: that she reportedly never used, and that suggested that maybe
Speaker 2: she tried to call for help before she was overpowered
Speaker 2: by someone. Berri's gloves and paperwork that was related to
Speaker 2: a house inspection were discovered on the ground just outside
Speaker 2: the garage door, which was on the path to the
Speaker 2: basement pool, so maybe he was accosted like near the
Speaker 2: garage door, you know, so you know, and dropped his
Speaker 2: gloves and his paperwork. Investigation investigators noted that a window
Speaker 2: had been left open to air out a freshly painted room,
Speaker 2: and a basement door was unlocked, which apparently was normal
Speaker 2: for the Shermans. They often left this door unlocked, so
Speaker 2: that led initially to speculation that maybe the perpetrator or
Speaker 2: perpetrators might have been familiar familiar with the shout and
Speaker 2: the couple's habits, you know, presser after they committed this
Speaker 2: crime past week, escaping through the neighboring backyards. But and
Speaker 2: so now you have this crime, and this discovery sends
Speaker 2: shockwaves through trying. You know, they are these this billionaire couple.
Speaker 2: Spread and the question on everyone's lips was, you know
Speaker 2: what happened? They were in their home. You know, you
Speaker 2: think there's like security systems and things like that.
Speaker 1: Who would do this to the right.
Speaker 2: Who would do this to them? It sparks, you know,
Speaker 2: just this, you know, just this wondering, oh this. The
Speaker 2: Toronto Police Service quickly took charge of the investigation, but
Speaker 2: their initial approach would later come under intense scrutiny. Early
Speaker 2: statements from the police suggested they were leaning toward a
Speaker 2: theory of murder suicide, which was a stance that infuriated
Speaker 2: the Sherman's family and friends, who insisted, you know, such
Speaker 2: a scenario was just inconceivable, like that would never happen.
Speaker 2: Right and Over the following several months, this case did
Speaker 2: not appear to make much progress. In October of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: which was nearly a year after the bodies were discovered,
Speaker 2: the Sherman family took an unprecedented step. Frustrated with the
Speaker 2: perceived lack of progress in the police investorgation, they announced
Speaker 2: a staggering ten million dollar reward wow right nice for
Speaker 2: information leading to the arrest and prosecution of a suspect
Speaker 2: in This move not only underscored the family's determination really
Speaker 2: to find justice for their laws, but also sort of
Speaker 2: highlighted their dissatisfaction with the official police us.
Speaker 1: Thank you exactly.
Speaker 2: Brian Greenspan, who was a high profile lawyer representing the
Speaker 2: Sherman family, he didn't mince words when discussing the police's
Speaker 2: the police's efforts because the investigators had failed to collect
Speaker 2: crucial evidence, which was a serious allegation that really put
Speaker 2: additional pressure on the Toronto Police service. The family's decision
Speaker 2: to offer such a substantial reward and publicly criticized the
Speaker 2: investigation marked a real turning point in the case. Police
Speaker 2: Chief Marks was quick to defend his department's work. Really yeah.
Speaker 2: He revealed that forensic that a forensic pathologist had been
Speaker 2: dedicated to the case, working alongside more than fifty officers.
Speaker 2: He insisted the investigation was thorough and it was ongoing.
Speaker 2: He cited impressive numbers. He said that over two hundred
Speaker 2: witnesses were interviewed and over two thousand hours of video
Speaker 2: surveillance were collected from neighboring homes. And these figures were
Speaker 2: meant to reassure the public that you know, no stone
Speaker 2: was yeah, yeah, they're on it, and you know they
Speaker 2: were serious about trying to find who these killers, the
Speaker 2: killer or killers were. The tension between the family's private
Speaker 2: investigators and the police were palpable. When asked if the
Speaker 2: police would be willing to collaborate with the independent experts
Speaker 2: hired by the Shermans, the police chief gave a cautious response.
Speaker 2: He said that such cooperation would be possible only if
Speaker 2: the private investigative team were to be accepted in a
Speaker 2: court proceeding, which I guess means like, would they be
Speaker 2: able to testify? I don't know what would prevent them
Speaker 2: from it, but it seems kind of I don't know,
Speaker 2: it seems.
Speaker 1: An odd question. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And as the investigation progressed, like the official one, the
Speaker 2: scale of the police effort became more clear. By October
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, the police had obtained thirty seven warrants
Speaker 2: related to the case, but despite these efforts, concrete breakthroughs
Speaker 2: remained elusive.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I know.
Speaker 2: In a significant development, the police announced in April of
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, so six months later, that they had developed
Speaker 2: a working theory of the case and they had an
Speaker 2: idea of what happened, quote unquote, they didn't share it,
Speaker 2: but you know, oh.
Speaker 1: They had a working theory, okay, but at.
Speaker 2: A working theory and kind of you know, had this
Speaker 2: idea of what happened, but they didn't share it. And
Speaker 2: a few months later, in June of twenty nineteen, it
Speaker 2: was revealed that Barry had planned to give to charity
Speaker 2: or invest much of his fortune. So this information added
Speaker 2: new dimension. This information added a new dimension to the case,
Speaker 2: highlighting maybe the potential impact of their death on her
Speaker 2: causes that they contributed to. However, there was a revelation
Speaker 2: at the end of twenty nineteen, so now it's been
Speaker 2: almost two years since their death. They kind of shook
Speaker 2: up the established narrative. There was a reporter for the
Speaker 2: Toronto Star. His name was Kevin Donovan. He had just
Speaker 2: published a book called The Billionaire Murder The Billionaire Murders
Speaker 2: about the case. In that book, he disclosed that investigators
Speaker 2: had revised their timeline. It was believed the Shermans had
Speaker 2: been killed early on December fifteenth, like that was the
Speaker 2: actual No, that was the assumed narrative. They had last
Speaker 2: been seen on the thirteenth. Barry doesn't go to work
Speaker 2: on the fourteenth. Then on the fifteenth is when the
Speaker 2: real estate agents showed up and everything. So police had
Speaker 2: been going on the timeline that you know, they were
Speaker 2: killed maybe earlier that same day. However, the new theory
Speaker 2: suggested that they the murders had occurred two days earlier,
Speaker 2: on December thirteenth, So it could be like when Barry
Speaker 2: was not making those phone calls, yes, because he was
Speaker 2: on head right. Yeah, they're thinking maybe it was within
Speaker 2: a couple hours of when they got home. This revised
Speaker 2: timeline now has raised new questions and possibly opened up
Speaker 2: new avenues and investigation, and you know, it's it also
Speaker 2: really highlights the trouble that in these investigators are having,
Speaker 2: like really trying to you know, I'll come up with
Speaker 2: suspects and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to start off with a bad day, like who
Speaker 1: brought them home? That would be like the who saw
Speaker 1: them last?
Speaker 2: Right, because those phone.
Speaker 1: Calls, that's a that's the if. That's the first red flag.
Speaker 1: That's where you start, not not on the fifteenth right
Speaker 1: when people.
Speaker 2: Are acting out of character, yes the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not doing like their normal routine type things. You know,
Speaker 2: it just seems and it.
Speaker 1: Just sounds like a guy that had such a presence,
Speaker 1: I mean not just because of his wealth, you know,
Speaker 1: just if he's always in litigation, you know, he's I
Speaker 1: just picture him a fire.
Speaker 2: Sign, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, it probably was. As
Speaker 2: time passed, the hope for a quick resolution of the
Speaker 2: case really began to fade. In April of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: which now it's been over four years after murders, the
Speaker 2: Toronto Police made a sobering statement. They described the case
Speaker 2: as quote unquote unfortunately old, and they were saying it's
Speaker 2: still in the investigation phase. No charges had been filed
Speaker 2: against anyone, and the police took the unusual step of
Speaker 2: asking the court to seal the case documents from the
Speaker 2: press to protect the integrity of this ongoing investigation, so
Speaker 2: they didn't really want like anything leaked to the press
Speaker 2: any further. This move to seal the documents suggested they
Speaker 2: might have some sensitive information that they did not made public,
Speaker 2: either to protect potential witnesses or prevent the perpetrator or
Speaker 2: perpetrators from knowing how much the authorities had uncovered. It
Speaker 2: also fueled a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories among
Speaker 2: those who followed the case closely. Despite the passage of
Speaker 2: time an apparent lack of progress, the Sherman's family determined
Speaker 2: we had determination to find the answers. That determination didn't waiver.
Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty two, five years after the murders,
Speaker 2: the Sherman's son increased the reward to to an astounding
Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars. That reward, Oh my gosh, I know, right.
Speaker 1: That is the ten million I you think for sure
Speaker 1: that's gonna make someone inspire, motivate. But now thirty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think I would have it.
Speaker 1: You know what, if you have it and you love them,
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How do I find fault in that they did that?
Speaker 1: You know, oh, just because they had money? Good for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it was I might have to turn
Speaker 2: you in for thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: I would never look at myself as being Yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: five for sure, that's all. I mean.
Speaker 2: He turned me in to get a thirty five million
Speaker 2: dollar reward. I don't think I could be mad at that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know it's tip my hat, Milady,
Speaker 1: well played exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean I might have done it for the ten million.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but I do it like you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all Oh easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Miami. Mmm.
Speaker 2: So, given Barry Sherman's vast business empire and the sometimes
Speaker 2: cutthroat nature of the pharmaceutical industry, who fucking knew? I
Speaker 2: had no idea?
Speaker 1: Oh I bet those those are things are drug lords, Tanya,
Speaker 1: just with the white coats. Don't let the fancy pH
Speaker 1: miss lead. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So there's the speculation about potential suspects had been rife
Speaker 2: from the beginning. Barry himself had acknowledged the dangers that
Speaker 2: came with his position at Apotex, once telling an interviewer quote,
Speaker 2: for a thousand bucks paid to the right person, you
Speaker 2: can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I'm surprised that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: End quote. So he kind of knew.
Speaker 1: No, Oh, it's probably what he's seen and heard.
Speaker 2: I mean, people get nuts when it comes to money.
Speaker 1: Many truths are uttered in jest.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the truth? So one early theory centered on
Speaker 2: Barry's cousin named Carrie Winter. At the time of the homicides,
Speaker 2: Barry had just won a ruling that Carrie Winter owed
Speaker 2: him three hundred thousand dollars in legal fees related to
Speaker 2: a dismissed lawsuit, and Carrie himself fueled speculation by admitting
Speaker 2: to having both motive and opportunity given his flexible work
Speaker 2: schedule as a construction supervisor, even confessed to imagining killing Barry,
Speaker 2: but he maintained his innocence, claiming he was watching Netflix
Speaker 2: and attending a cocaine anonymous meeting on the night of
Speaker 2: the murders.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I was at my cocaine anonymous meeting. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I was watching some but whatever, whatever, Yeah, watching
Speaker 5: some Netflix. Another potential suspect involved Barry's son, Jonathan Sherman.
Speaker 2: Two weeks before the murders, Barry had asked Jonathan to
Speaker 2: repay tens of millions of dollars that were borrowed for
Speaker 2: Jonathan's storage business. However, Jonathan explained that this was just
Speaker 2: a temporary measure to help his dad through a difficult
Speaker 2: financial situation, and he emphasized that they had a close
Speaker 2: personal and professional relationship, so that one really didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Turned out to be correct, Like, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was true, Yes, as I did.
Speaker 1: Wonder my immediate was siblings and then no kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all I know, because who would inherit
Speaker 2: all that money?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's going to benefit the most?
Speaker 2: So the Sherman family's efforts to keep details of the
Speaker 2: estate's secret, like because they have this huge estate, and
Speaker 2: that became a legal battle in itself. In Canada, court
Speaker 2: documents and related proceedings, which include files that dealt with
Speaker 2: an estate after death, they are typically public, just like
Speaker 2: they are in the United States and Ontario. Super An
Speaker 2: Ontario Superior Court judge initially applied a protective order to
Speaker 2: the file, which meant, you know, it was kind of
Speaker 2: under wraps, right. But the Toronto Star, the newspaper, appealed
Speaker 2: that and they won. The family's subsequent appeal to the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court was unsuccessful, with the court upholding the unsealing
Speaker 2: of the documents in June twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Really, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Despite the ongoing mystery surrounding their parents' death, the Sherman
Speaker 2: children have continued their family's legacy of philanthropy. Philanthropy.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, philanthropy, Yes, thank.
Speaker 3: You, let me say that.
Speaker 2: Despite the ongoing mystery surrounding their parents' death, the Sherman's
Speaker 2: children have continued their family's legacy of.
Speaker 1: Philanthropy.
Speaker 2: Say it with me, Danya philanthropy, philanthropy. In twenty twenty
Speaker 2: Sherman the Sherman's daughter. Her name is Alex. She established
Speaker 2: the Honey and Berry Sherman Legacy Foundation to honor her
Speaker 2: parents memory and further theyrefit unfilled unfinished philanthropic aims. Alex
Speaker 2: is a registered nurse and philanthropist, and she leads two
Speaker 2: charitable foundations. One is her married name, which is Krasin's prose.
Speaker 2: It's it's k r aw Czyk.
Speaker 1: Okay, c z y k. I think that's Check.
Speaker 2: So Krawcheck Family Foundation and the Honey and Barry Sherman
Speaker 2: Legacy Foundation.
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's another suspect that I haven't mentioned yet.
Speaker 2: His name is Frank DeAngelo. He was a long time
Speaker 2: associate of Barry Sherman with a checkered legal history, but
Speaker 2: he denied any involvement, stating that Barry's death was quote
Speaker 2: the worst thing that could have happened to him unquote.
Speaker 2: In November twenty twenty, Toronto Police announced that they had
Speaker 2: identified a person of interest, but they later clarified that
Speaker 2: this could refer not only to one person, but to
Speaker 2: multiple people. So at this point November twenty twenty, we
Speaker 2: haven't arrested anyone. And now because the police have said, oh,
Speaker 2: we have a person of interest, it's now sparked this
Speaker 2: new interest in this case, but the details of what's
Speaker 2: going on remain scarce. A year later, in December of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, police released security camera footage of a suspect.
Speaker 2: The video was twenty seconds long and it showed a
Speaker 2: person dressed in dark clothing walking down a snow covered
Speaker 2: sidewalk in the Sherman's neighborhood. Detective Brandon Price stated that
Speaker 2: the timing of this individual's appearance seemed to align with
Speaker 2: when they believe that the murders took place, and it
Speaker 2: led them to classify this person as a suspect. This
Speaker 2: release of footage was a significant development, offering the public
Speaker 2: the first glimpse of a potential perpetrator. It also indicated
Speaker 2: that the police had been holding onto crucial evidence, perhaps
Speaker 2: waiting for the right moment to make it public. So
Speaker 2: I told you there were court documents being released, So
Speaker 2: there were more that were released in January of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and it included a statement from Honey Sherman's sister,
Speaker 2: Mary Sheckman, and that introduced a new and controversial angle
Speaker 2: to the case. Mary suggested that the motive for the
Speaker 2: killings might have been related to religion, because I told
Speaker 2: you they were Jewish, and she pointed out they were.
Speaker 2: The Shermans were strong supporters of Israel and that Honey
Speaker 2: was vocal about being Jewish. Her statement to police included
Speaker 2: a startling claim, and she said that six months before
Speaker 2: the murders Honey had attended a lecture about stopping money
Speaker 2: from getting into Muslim fundamentalists' hands, and according to Mary,
Speaker 2: Honey believed that cutting off funding to these groups could
Speaker 2: bankrupt them and that money from being used for terror,
Speaker 2: like you know, terrorist type activities, right, And she Mary
Speaker 2: told police that she believed Barry was providing funding for this,
Speaker 2: like he was the one that was funding these things.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, I don't know. The
Speaker 2: theory really didn't go anywhere, but it's suggesting now maybe
Speaker 2: that their murders were political.
Speaker 1: All trying to put that facet on.
Speaker 2: The you know, it's not necessarily maybe a business issue
Speaker 2: or as issue. It could be like political or ideal Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2: The same court documents that were released in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two revealed that Barry owned a staggering one He owed
Speaker 2: a staggering one billion dollars to other companies leading up
Speaker 2: to his death, a debt that he stated he wasn't
Speaker 2: going to pay. So this financial pressure added another layer
Speaker 2: of complexity to the case, expanding again this pool of
Speaker 2: potential suspects with a motive, Because if he's owing a lot.
Speaker 1: Of money, a lot of money, a billion dollars. That's
Speaker 1: not going nowhere.
Speaker 2: No, the Sherman's family offer of the thirty five million
Speaker 2: dollar reward that stands as the largest in history for
Speaker 2: a criminal case, and the case has far yeah wait
Speaker 2: a minute, sorry, hold then, the case as it stands
Speaker 2: today hasn't been solved. I'm sorry to break it to
Speaker 2: everybody after telling you this story, it still remains unsolved.
Speaker 2: And Coley and I always hated unsolved cases. Yes, but
Speaker 2: I I the thing that intrigues me about in self
Speaker 2: cases is just the mystery of it. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: like everyone enjoys a good mystery. And unfortunately, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, two people were murdered in this case, but right, see,
Speaker 2: the mystery of it is so interesting, Like there's just
Speaker 2: so many facets to this story. It's like, who could
Speaker 2: possibly have done this to these people?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you.
Speaker 1: Know I hate, yes, I absolutely hate. And they're so
Speaker 1: frustrating mm hmmm because to me, the money should have
Speaker 1: been easily to fluff out. Oh oh hmhmm. You know
Speaker 1: you think the money should be easy to fluff out,
Speaker 1: maybe lower thinking energies, you know, money, you know, if you're.
Speaker 2: Like like a hit man was hired, yeah, or you
Speaker 2: know somebody's you know, somebody is a business his business
Speaker 2: dealings with the Shermans, and you know, he goes home
Speaker 2: and tells his wife, Oh, I hate that motherfucker or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: Who can't use ten million dollars?
Speaker 1: Who can't use thirty five million?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean who? But then that must mean it must
Speaker 1: be something real deep. It must be something, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like, oh, their kids hired somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to inherit tense. This is.
Speaker 2: There's something some deep shit going on in this one.
Speaker 1: There's some like abalas or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: So, oh my god, well tyya think I'm done?
Speaker 2: Girl, Shut up. There's just there's a few other things.
Speaker 1: Please tell me my bad Can he edit that out?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Joe edit that, jo.
Speaker 1: I did have an edible. Yeah, all right, it's another
Speaker 1: minute or two.
Speaker 2: The house where the murders took place was demolished in
Speaker 2: May of twenty nineteen. So the land was purchased in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty by a woman that lived nearby, who put
Speaker 2: it on the market in twenty twenty three, like after
Speaker 2: the house was demolished, and so you know they I
Speaker 2: think it I think it was probably in a really
Speaker 2: great neighborhood. So it's kind of like a sybolic move
Speaker 2: to discuss Yeah, property from its dark past, and even
Speaker 2: the address of the property has changed since the tragedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a portal that's so violence there. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I would never buy. I mean, I'm no
Speaker 1: real estate agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm no real estate mogul.
Speaker 1: And I love Toronto. You and I have been there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we love it. I would love to live there.
Speaker 2: I loved Toronto is a great place.
Speaker 1: But when something violent like that happens, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad that I was demolished, and I'm glad that was purchased.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, did she just plan it up with Sage?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have us have a ceremony.
Speaker 2: You don't want to tell your property with sage?
Speaker 1: Right, you know how the carry is you gotta glad,
Speaker 1: you gotta cleanse.
Speaker 2: That ye right. So you know, today, like I said,
Speaker 2: it remains unsolved. The the public has criticized the police
Speaker 2: and the family is criticized, but there has never been
Speaker 2: an arrest made and the case has become one of
Speaker 2: Canada's most notorious unsolved crimes. And I hope someday it
Speaker 2: does get solved. I hope there's a break in the case.
Speaker 2: You think that thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of talking, yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: but it's and deep it is. Yeah, it's like so
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, you know, I did, I already
Speaker 1: said Cabala, but you know, it's just like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that amount can't solve it. It's definitely what's
Speaker 1: higher than money that can't you know what I'm you know, now,
Speaker 1: I think we're in the spirit realm.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's got to be some there's something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love that. It really is jaw dropping
Speaker 1: thirty five million.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not like, oh, there's fifty thousand dollars out
Speaker 2: there waiting, and you know, fifty thousand dollars a lot
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 1: And the probably exposed so much, right, you know, it
Speaker 1: reminds me just off topic a little bit. I remember
Speaker 1: Shark Tank and this woman had brought this product that
Speaker 1: could kill bed bus and it was so good that
Speaker 1: like all hotels would want it, and motels hotels. From
Speaker 1: what I remember, the guy in the middle, you know,
Speaker 1: the guy with the bald head. I can't think of
Speaker 1: his name.
Speaker 3: But you know he always tries to be wonderful.
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Yes, I believe the whole panel went in for
Speaker 1: like some great amount of a million dollars and she
Speaker 1: knew that it was so worse. And that's true. Like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the big cut. I've invented this that
Speaker 1: will be worldwide killing bedbugs, which is a superbug.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. My niece is calling. Let me decline.
Speaker 1: She wants to play roadblocks with me. She is adorable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, girl, great story, I feel, I mean, Mike
Speaker 1: and Doles says yes for the family, and I yeah,
Speaker 1: pray for that, yeah something.
Speaker 2: I hope they get closure someday, you.
Speaker 1: Know that's important. Yeah a piece, Yeah, closure, the piece
Speaker 1: and just.
Speaker 2: The unsolved ones are just heart wrenching, like absolutely, it's
Speaker 2: a tough one. Thank you so much Channon for listening,
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