WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:11.800 Hi, Shannon, Hello Tanya. 2 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:13.279 How you doing today? 3 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.480 I'm doing pretty good? How about you? I'm not bad. 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.800 I have a weekly episode, so I wait, hold on, 5 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.480 let me think what else to say. Joe will have 6 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:35.240 to Hi Joel, this is Shannon story for anyway. Okay, 7 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.799 I have a new story for everyone today. But before 8 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:39.840 I get into it, I would just like to remind 9 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.880 everyone to hit the subscribe or follow button on whatever 10 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:46.679 podcast app that you're listening to. And Shannon, are you 11 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:48.240 ready to hear this week's story? 12 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:50.280 I've been ready since yesterday. 13 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:55.679 Okay, just yesterday, specifically yesterday. 14 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.640 All right. So this story takes place in December twenty 15 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:04.840 seven teen, and in that during that time, the tranquil 16 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:10.159 affluence of Toronto's North York neighborhood was shattered by a 17 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:14.079 discovery that would captivate Canada and spark one of the 18 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:20.079 nation's most perplexing criminal investigation. Barry Sherman, who was the 19 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:25.439 billionaire founder of a generic drug giant company called Apotax, 20 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.000 and his wife Honey were found dead in their mansion 21 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.640 and their bodies were positioned just kind of like a 22 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.480 weird The way that they were left was just kind 23 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:41.439 of odd, unnatural. Yeah, unnatural. Barry Sherman. I'm gonna tell 24 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:43.560 you a little bit about Barry. He was born in 25 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:48.120 Toronto in nineteen forty two, the son of hardworking Jewish 26 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.400 parents who instilled in him a strong work ethic and 27 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.280 a drive for success. From an early age, Barry showed 28 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:00.840 a keen intellect and an entrepreneurial spirit. He excelled in 29 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.920 his studies, graduating from the University of Toronto's Engineering physics program. 30 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.120 Like Nice, he was smart, smart, Yary. 31 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.960 And he later earned a doctorate in astrophysics from the 32 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:19.520 Massachusetts Institute of Technology MIT. Oh my goodness, but it 33 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:23.039 was in the world of pharmaceuticals that Barry made his fortune. 34 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.520 In nineteen seventy four, he founded Apotax, which, like I said, 35 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:33.000 was a generic drug company, and Barry's business acumen and 36 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:39.360 aggressive tactics in challenging drug patents made patents made apo 37 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:42.719 Tax a major player in the industry, and like I said, 38 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.520 he became a billionaire. Right At the time of his death, 39 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.000 it was estimated that he was one of the wealthiest 40 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.639 people in Canada, with a net worth of approximately four 41 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.479 point seven billion dollars. 42 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.599 Shut off. By my gosh, the money is in the drugs. 43 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:01.879 Yeah, the pharmaceutic calls. Man. Of course, we know how 44 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.199 shitty healthcare exactly. 45 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:07.120 Pharmaceuticals and drugs. 46 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:15.199 Yeah, I think the afortune for my drugs, my legal drugs, colts, 47 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.400 let's throw some quote pharmaceutical drug. 48 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.560 I'm gonna tell you a little bit about his wife, Honey. 49 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.840 Honey was born in nineteen forty eight. She was also 50 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:30.439 born to Jewish immigrants in Toronto. She met Barry while 51 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:32.960 she was still a teenager, and they married in nineteen 52 00:03:33.039 --> 00:03:38.039 seventy one. Honey was known for her vivacious personality and 53 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.520 her dedication to philanthropic causes, because the Shermans used to 54 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:49.159 donate a lot of money to various charities together. They were, yeah, 55 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.360 they were. They spent their money that way, this wonderful 56 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.639 power company. They were this wonderful power couple in Toronto's 57 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:03.199 social and charitable circles, and they donated to places like hospitals, universities, 58 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:08.319 and various Jewish organizations. Oh nice, Yeah, so their life 59 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.879 seemed pretty charmed from the outside. Yeah. They had four children, 60 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.560 They lived in a big, beautiful mansion, and they were 61 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.879 celebrated for their business success and their charitable giving. Barry 62 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:25.279 was appointed to the Order of Canada in twenty seventeen, 63 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:31.079 which is very similar to the Congressional Medal of Honor 64 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:34.160 that's given in the United States. So the Order of 65 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:39.759 Canada is for people who make extraordinary contributions to Canadians, right, okay, 66 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.480 And he got this medal just months before his death, 67 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:51.839 and it was in recognition of his entrepreneurship and philanthropic work. However, 68 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:56.399 beneath the surface of their seemingly perfect lives, there were applications. 69 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:03.199 Barry was known for his extremely litigiousness. His extreme litigiousness, 70 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:07.920 so he was suing every fucking body who engaged in 71 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:14.040 numerous lawsuits, both personal and professional. They were also embroiled 72 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.360 in a long running family dispute with Barry's cousins, who 73 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:22.360 claimed that they owned a stake in Apotax, dating back 74 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:28.040 to a supposed business arrangement from decades earlier. So he's 75 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:32.000 always caught up in court. But despite these challenges, nothing 76 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.399 in the public eye really suggested of what was to come. 77 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:38.720 They were at the time of their dusk, they were 78 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.399 planning a trip to Florida. You know, they had these 79 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.040 plans in place. So the last known sighting of Barry 80 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:50.959 and Honey Alive was on December thirteenth, twenty seventeen. Late 81 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:54.959 that afternoon, the couple met at Barry's office at Apotax, 82 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:59.319 at their headquarters, and they were discussing design changes for 83 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.399 their new home. They were selling the home that they 84 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.759 currently lived in. In that house they had been in 85 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.160 for almost thirty years, but Honey wanted to be closer 86 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:14.879 to Toronto's downtown area. Okay, they were building a new twenty 87 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:20.199 five million dollar mansion in the Forest Hill neighborhood of Toronto, 88 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.000 and that place is one of the most exclusive neighborhoods 89 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.439 in Toronto rarely, so she was there, you know, wanting 90 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:32.439 to discuss these design changes with Barry. Yeah, and at 91 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:35.319 the time, she was preparing to leave for a holiday 92 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.480 vacation to Miami because it's close to Christmas, it's like, 93 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.920 you know, the thirteenth, So she was planning to leave 94 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.399 to go to Miami in a few days and then 95 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.319 Barry was supposed to join her in Miami the week 96 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:50.560 the next week. 97 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:55.319 Okay, so they're trying to sell their house that they've had, 98 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:58.199 their mansion of thirty years, so they can move downtown 99 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:01.360 to the exclusive and they're getting ready to fly out. 100 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.360 Are they like snowbirding it or something. 101 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.360 I think it was just for a vacation, yeah, okay, 102 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.240 for a few weeks. But I don't think they had 103 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:13.079 a permanent residence or even a vacation they probably okay, 104 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.759 I don't think they spent like months and months there 105 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.720 their lives. You know, Barry still worked at Apotex and yeah, 106 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.040 you know, on a regular basis, so I believe. 107 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:24.600 They get away. 108 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.160 Yeah, it was just for the holidays. 109 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:27.959 Right. 110 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.720 That evening, from home, Barry sent a routine email to 111 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.000 his Apotex staff regarding a drug that was in development, 112 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:39.600 but unusually, he didn't make any phone calls that night, 113 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:42.360 which was really out of character for him, because he 114 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.839 suffered from insomnia, so he would make phone calls late 115 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.839 into the night, but he didn't make any that night. 116 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:53.360 The following day, December fourteenth, Barry did not arrive for 117 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.439 work at Apotex, which raised the eyebrows of the staff. 118 00:07:57.720 --> 00:08:01.920 It was really unusual for him to miss work like 119 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:06.680 especially without telling anyone. Right, However, it doesn't appear that 120 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.959 anybody really did anything like didn't call the check or 121 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:12.480 didn't call the police or do a welfare check or 122 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:13.319 anything like that. 123 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.560 Wow, no one started the ball rolling. 124 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:21.120 No, not two things, right, So it was only until 125 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:25.199 the following morning, December fifteenth. So the thirteenth is the 126 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.800 last time they were found or their last scene alive. 127 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:34.320 And now on the fifteenth their home. They weren't expected 128 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:38.200 to be there, so the cleaning staff had already arrived 129 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.240 and they entered using a lock box which was left 130 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:46.279 by the real estate people were showing who were going 131 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:50.039 to be showing the house, And around mid morning, two 132 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.480 real estate agents arrived with a couple that was interested 133 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:58.000 in possibly purchasing this house. Right, So, after showing the 134 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.240 potential buyers the main floor, the agents led them downstairs 135 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:06.440 to view the lamp pool and hot tub area. And 136 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:10.879 it was there then, and it was there that they 137 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:15.080 made this horrific discovery. Can you imagine you're going to 138 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.840 see a house, you're just gonna go, and you find 139 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:19.240 the owner's dead, Like. 140 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:22.919 This is like a scene in a movie. Chit chatting 141 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.399 down to the indoor pool and blah blah, blahl's so 142 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:32.039 good and you're like, right, god, exactly. 143 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.480 Their bodies were found on the ground next to the pool. 144 00:09:38.799 --> 00:09:42.159 They both had leather belts around their neck which were 145 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.879 tied to a metal railing that was a little over 146 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.440 a meter high, and this railing surrounded the pool. Barry 147 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:53.919 was seated on the pool deck with his legs crossed 148 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.720 like like you're sitting up and your legs are you know, 149 00:09:56.759 --> 00:10:00.320 your ankles are crossed. Honey was laying on our side 150 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.720 and her face showing obvious bruising. Their coats were pulled 151 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.840 down over their shoulders, so like you know, you think 152 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.559 you pull it down like from behind on someone. So 153 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:17.080 their rooms were restrained. And other than that, they were 154 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.080 both fully clothed and they were facing away from the 155 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.480 pool right and one of the real estate agents later 156 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.360 described how they were laying was sort of like a 157 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.000 meditation or a yoga pose, is how it looked to 158 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:36.279 that person. Honey's cell phone was found in a bathroom 159 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.279 that she reportedly never used, and that suggested that maybe 160 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:44.960 she tried to call for help before she was overpowered 161 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:49.960 by someone. Berri's gloves and paperwork that was related to 162 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.919 a house inspection were discovered on the ground just outside 163 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:56.679 the garage door, which was on the path to the 164 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.799 basement pool, so maybe he was accosted like near the 165 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:07.039 garage door, you know, so you know, and dropped his 166 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:12.120 gloves and his paperwork. Investigation investigators noted that a window 167 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.240 had been left open to air out a freshly painted room, 168 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:19.879 and a basement door was unlocked, which apparently was normal 169 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:23.799 for the Shermans. They often left this door unlocked, so 170 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.360 that led initially to speculation that maybe the perpetrator or 171 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:32.279 perpetrators might have been familiar familiar with the shout and 172 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:37.399 the couple's habits, you know, presser after they committed this 173 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:42.159 crime past week, escaping through the neighboring backyards. But and 174 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:47.240 so now you have this crime, and this discovery sends 175 00:11:47.399 --> 00:11:53.039 shockwaves through trying. You know, they are these this billionaire couple. 176 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:58.159 Spread and the question on everyone's lips was, you know 177 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.960 what happened? They were in their home. You know, you 178 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.759 think there's like security systems and things like that. 179 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.080 Who would do this to the right. 180 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:09.279 Who would do this to them? It sparks, you know, 181 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:16.159 just this, you know, just this wondering, oh this. The 182 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:19.840 Toronto Police Service quickly took charge of the investigation, but 183 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:24.879 their initial approach would later come under intense scrutiny. Early 184 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.679 statements from the police suggested they were leaning toward a 185 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:32.840 theory of murder suicide, which was a stance that infuriated 186 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:37.080 the Sherman's family and friends, who insisted, you know, such 187 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.759 a scenario was just inconceivable, like that would never happen. 188 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.440 Right and Over the following several months, this case did 189 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.759 not appear to make much progress. In October of twenty eighteen, 190 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.039 which was nearly a year after the bodies were discovered, 191 00:12:53.480 --> 00:12:57.559 the Sherman family took an unprecedented step. Frustrated with the 192 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:01.440 perceived lack of progress in the police investorgation, they announced 193 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:07.399 a staggering ten million dollar reward wow right nice for 194 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.960 information leading to the arrest and prosecution of a suspect 195 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.399 in This move not only underscored the family's determination really 196 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.559 to find justice for their laws, but also sort of 197 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.879 highlighted their dissatisfaction with the official police us. 198 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.240 Thank you exactly. 199 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.879 Brian Greenspan, who was a high profile lawyer representing the 200 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.679 Sherman family, he didn't mince words when discussing the police's 201 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:40.200 the police's efforts because the investigators had failed to collect 202 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:44.879 crucial evidence, which was a serious allegation that really put 203 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:49.360 additional pressure on the Toronto Police service. The family's decision 204 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:53.720 to offer such a substantial reward and publicly criticized the 205 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:59.240 investigation marked a real turning point in the case. Police 206 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:04.759 Chief Marks was quick to defend his department's work. Really yeah. 207 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:09.639 He revealed that forensic that a forensic pathologist had been 208 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.720 dedicated to the case, working alongside more than fifty officers. 209 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:19.120 He insisted the investigation was thorough and it was ongoing. 210 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:23.240 He cited impressive numbers. He said that over two hundred 211 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:26.759 witnesses were interviewed and over two thousand hours of video 212 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.879 surveillance were collected from neighboring homes. And these figures were 213 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.360 meant to reassure the public that you know, no stone 214 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.720 was yeah, yeah, they're on it, and you know they 215 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:42.080 were serious about trying to find who these killers, the 216 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:46.080 killer or killers were. The tension between the family's private 217 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:50.000 investigators and the police were palpable. When asked if the 218 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:54.080 police would be willing to collaborate with the independent experts 219 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:57.960 hired by the Shermans, the police chief gave a cautious response. 220 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:02.039 He said that such cooperation would be possible only if 221 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.360 the private investigative team were to be accepted in a 222 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.039 court proceeding, which I guess means like, would they be 223 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.279 able to testify? I don't know what would prevent them 224 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:15.399 from it, but it seems kind of I don't know, 225 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:16.159 it seems. 226 00:15:15.919 --> 00:15:18.960 An odd question. Yeah, you know. 227 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.279 And as the investigation progressed, like the official one, the 228 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.279 scale of the police effort became more clear. By October 229 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:31.600 of twenty eighteen, the police had obtained thirty seven warrants 230 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:37.279 related to the case, but despite these efforts, concrete breakthroughs 231 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:38.559 remained elusive. 232 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:40.679 Oh my gosh, I know. 233 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.919 In a significant development, the police announced in April of 234 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.399 twenty nineteen, so six months later, that they had developed 235 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.440 a working theory of the case and they had an 236 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:55.200 idea of what happened, quote unquote, they didn't share it, 237 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:56.759 but you know, oh. 238 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:58.960 They had a working theory, okay, but at. 239 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.720 A working theory and kind of you know, had this 240 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.879 idea of what happened, but they didn't share it. And 241 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:09.519 a few months later, in June of twenty nineteen, it 242 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.600 was revealed that Barry had planned to give to charity 243 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:16.960 or invest much of his fortune. So this information added 244 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.559 new dimension. This information added a new dimension to the case, 245 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:26.679 highlighting maybe the potential impact of their death on her 246 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:32.200 causes that they contributed to. However, there was a revelation 247 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:35.120 at the end of twenty nineteen, so now it's been 248 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:38.799 almost two years since their death. They kind of shook 249 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:42.759 up the established narrative. There was a reporter for the 250 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.320 Toronto Star. His name was Kevin Donovan. He had just 251 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:51.240 published a book called The Billionaire Murder The Billionaire Murders 252 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:55.720 about the case. In that book, he disclosed that investigators 253 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.440 had revised their timeline. It was believed the Shermans had 254 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.279 been killed early on December fifteenth, like that was the 255 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:09.200 actual No, that was the assumed narrative. They had last 256 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.119 been seen on the thirteenth. Barry doesn't go to work 257 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.920 on the fourteenth. Then on the fifteenth is when the 258 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.400 real estate agents showed up and everything. So police had 259 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:20.319 been going on the timeline that you know, they were 260 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:24.519 killed maybe earlier that same day. However, the new theory 261 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.039 suggested that they the murders had occurred two days earlier, 262 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.039 on December thirteenth, So it could be like when Barry 263 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.640 was not making those phone calls, yes, because he was 264 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:40.119 on head right. Yeah, they're thinking maybe it was within 265 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.799 a couple hours of when they got home. This revised 266 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:48.359 timeline now has raised new questions and possibly opened up 267 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:54.319 new avenues and investigation, and you know, it's it also 268 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.359 really highlights the trouble that in these investigators are having, 269 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:01.480 like really trying to you know, I'll come up with 270 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.519 suspects and things like that. 271 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.440 Yeah, to start off with a bad day, like who 272 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.480 brought them home? That would be like the who saw 273 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.240 them last? 274 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:14.359 Right, because those phone. 275 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.920 Calls, that's a that's the if. That's the first red flag. 276 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.960 That's where you start, not not on the fifteenth right 277 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:22.839 when people. 278 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.960 Are acting out of character, yes the first time. Yeah, 279 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.240 not doing like their normal routine type things. You know, 280 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:31.920 it just seems and it. 281 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.839 Just sounds like a guy that had such a presence, 282 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:39.119 I mean not just because of his wealth, you know, 283 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:44.839 just if he's always in litigation, you know, he's I 284 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:46.440 just picture him a fire. 285 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:52.079 Sign, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, it probably was. As 286 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:54.839 time passed, the hope for a quick resolution of the 287 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.799 case really began to fade. In April of twenty twenty two, 288 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.839 which now it's been over four years after murders, the 289 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:07.359 Toronto Police made a sobering statement. They described the case 290 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:12.359 as quote unquote unfortunately old, and they were saying it's 291 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.640 still in the investigation phase. No charges had been filed 292 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:20.640 against anyone, and the police took the unusual step of 293 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:24.720 asking the court to seal the case documents from the 294 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:29.240 press to protect the integrity of this ongoing investigation, so 295 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.400 they didn't really want like anything leaked to the press 296 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:36.839 any further. This move to seal the documents suggested they 297 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.599 might have some sensitive information that they did not made public, 298 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:46.039 either to protect potential witnesses or prevent the perpetrator or 299 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:51.519 perpetrators from knowing how much the authorities had uncovered. It 300 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:56.279 also fueled a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories among 301 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:01.160 those who followed the case closely. Despite the passage of 302 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:05.599 time an apparent lack of progress, the Sherman's family determined 303 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.799 we had determination to find the answers. That determination didn't waiver. 304 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.799 December of twenty twenty two, five years after the murders, 305 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:20.160 the Sherman's son increased the reward to to an astounding 306 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:25.599 thirty five million dollars. That reward, Oh my gosh, I know, right. 307 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.039 That is the ten million I you think for sure 308 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:38.880 that's gonna make someone inspire, motivate. But now thirty five. 309 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:40.960 Yeah, I would think I would have it. 310 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:43.839 You know what, if you have it and you love them, 311 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:44.960 do it? Yeah. 312 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:45.440 Yeah. 313 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.039 How do I find fault in that they did that? 314 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:51.880 You know, oh, just because they had money? Good for them? 315 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.640 Yeah, because if it was I might have to turn 316 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.279 you in for thirty five million dollars. 317 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.519 I would never look at myself as being Yeah, thirty 318 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.240 five for sure, that's all. I mean. 319 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.599 He turned me in to get a thirty five million 320 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.200 dollar reward. I don't think I could be mad at that. 321 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.960 Oh my god, I know it's tip my hat, Milady, 322 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.960 well played exactly. 323 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:20.119 I mean I might have done it for the ten million. 324 00:21:20.200 --> 00:21:23.839 I'm just saying, but I do it like you. 325 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:28.359 Yeah, that was all Oh easy, peasy, lemon squeezy. Yeah right, 326 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:30.480 I'm going to Miami. Mmm. 327 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.559 So, given Barry Sherman's vast business empire and the sometimes 328 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.960 cutthroat nature of the pharmaceutical industry, who fucking knew? I 329 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.720 had no idea? 330 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:44.160 Oh I bet those those are things are drug lords, Tanya, 331 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:51.599 just with the white coats. Don't let the fancy pH 332 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:53.799 miss lead. Yeah, exactly. 333 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:00.519 So there's the speculation about potential suspects had been rife 334 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:04.880 from the beginning. Barry himself had acknowledged the dangers that 335 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:09.799 came with his position at Apotex, once telling an interviewer quote, 336 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:12.240 for a thousand bucks paid to the right person, you 337 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:16.640 can probably get someone killed. Perhaps I'm surprised that hasn't happened. 338 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:18.599 End quote. So he kind of knew. 339 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.799 No, Oh, it's probably what he's seen and heard. 340 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:26.839 I mean, people get nuts when it comes to money. 341 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.079 Many truths are uttered in jest. 342 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:34.039 Isn't that the truth? So one early theory centered on 343 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:38.920 Barry's cousin named Carrie Winter. At the time of the homicides, 344 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:43.680 Barry had just won a ruling that Carrie Winter owed 345 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.160 him three hundred thousand dollars in legal fees related to 346 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:52.920 a dismissed lawsuit, and Carrie himself fueled speculation by admitting 347 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.960 to having both motive and opportunity given his flexible work 348 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.079 schedule as a construction supervisor, even confessed to imagining killing Barry, 349 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.799 but he maintained his innocence, claiming he was watching Netflix 350 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.680 and attending a cocaine anonymous meeting on the night of 351 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:12.279 the murders. 352 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:19.960 Oh yeah, I was at my cocaine anonymous meeting. Yeah, 353 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:24.559 and I was watching some but whatever, whatever, Yeah, watching 354 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:33.759 some Netflix. Another potential suspect involved Barry's son, Jonathan Sherman. 355 00:23:34.400 --> 00:23:37.279 Two weeks before the murders, Barry had asked Jonathan to 356 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:41.880 repay tens of millions of dollars that were borrowed for 357 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:47.279 Jonathan's storage business. However, Jonathan explained that this was just 358 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:50.960 a temporary measure to help his dad through a difficult 359 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.400 financial situation, and he emphasized that they had a close 360 00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:59.200 personal and professional relationship, so that one really didn't go anywhere. 361 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.640 Turned out to be correct, Like, yeah. 362 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:05.599 I think that was true, Yes, as I did. 363 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:10.759 Wonder my immediate was siblings and then no kids. 364 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.240 Yeah, yeah, that's all I know, because who would inherit 365 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:15.319 all that money? 366 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:17.160 Yeah, who's going to benefit the most? 367 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:21.720 So the Sherman family's efforts to keep details of the 368 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:25.599 estate's secret, like because they have this huge estate, and 369 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:30.079 that became a legal battle in itself. In Canada, court 370 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:34.400 documents and related proceedings, which include files that dealt with 371 00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.920 an estate after death, they are typically public, just like 372 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.759 they are in the United States and Ontario. Super An 373 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:47.480 Ontario Superior Court judge initially applied a protective order to 374 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.759 the file, which meant, you know, it was kind of 375 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:54.359 under wraps, right. But the Toronto Star, the newspaper, appealed 376 00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.160 that and they won. The family's subsequent appeal to the 377 00:24:58.160 --> 00:25:02.960 Supreme Court was unsuccessful, with the court upholding the unsealing 378 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.519 of the documents in June twenty twenty one. 379 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:07.720 Really, mm hmm. 380 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:12.119 Despite the ongoing mystery surrounding their parents' death, the Sherman 381 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:18.559 children have continued their family's legacy of philanthropy. Philanthropy. 382 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.960 Mm hmm, philanthropy, Yes, thank. 383 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.839 You, let me say that. 384 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.480 Despite the ongoing mystery surrounding their parents' death, the Sherman's 385 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.480 children have continued their family's legacy of. 386 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:34.839 Philanthropy. 387 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:44.880 Say it with me, Danya philanthropy, philanthropy. In twenty twenty 388 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:49.039 Sherman the Sherman's daughter. Her name is Alex. She established 389 00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.079 the Honey and Berry Sherman Legacy Foundation to honor her 390 00:25:52.160 --> 00:26:00.359 parents memory and further theyrefit unfilled unfinished philanthropic aims. Alex 391 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:04.400 is a registered nurse and philanthropist, and she leads two 392 00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:10.160 charitable foundations. One is her married name, which is Krasin's prose. 393 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.160 It's it's k r aw Czyk. 394 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.279 Okay, c z y k. I think that's Check. 395 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:24.079 So Krawcheck Family Foundation and the Honey and Barry Sherman 396 00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:25.119 Legacy Foundation. 397 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:26.359 Oh nice. 398 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:31.200 Yeah. So there's another suspect that I haven't mentioned yet. 399 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.039 His name is Frank DeAngelo. He was a long time 400 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:41.519 associate of Barry Sherman with a checkered legal history, but 401 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:46.319