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<v Speaker 1>Astonishing Legends Network Disclaimer. This episode includes the usual amount

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<v Speaker 1>of adult language and graphic discussions you've come to expect

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<v Speaker 1>around here, but in the event it becomes an unusual amount,

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<v Speaker 1>expect another call from me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome back to Scaret all the time. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Klari, but I'm deaf now, I gotta keep it down.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm too excited when we start the show. But today

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason that I'm so excited, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>because we are talking about a disease that might not

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<v Speaker 2>actually exist, or it might be a government conspiracy, or

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<v Speaker 2>it might be caused by chemtrails or genetically modified organisms

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<v Speaker 2>or alien nanotechnology, or maybe maybe it might be caused

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<v Speaker 2>by scratching yourself until fibers from your T shirt get

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in the wound, and then you show those fibers

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<v Speaker 2>to a doctor who tells you to see a psychiatrist.

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<v Speaker 2>What And then you go home and get on the

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<v Speaker 2>internet and find fourteen thousand other people who are also

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that the government put little fiberworm in their skin.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, that's right, We're going to piss off the

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<v Speaker 2>comments section by talking about more Gallon's disease. The scariest

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<v Speaker 2>part of Morgallon's disease that the people who have it,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least believe that they have it, are in genuine,

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<v Speaker 2>documented measurable pain. Their lives fall apart, some kill themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>The CDC has spent a small fortune investigating it, but

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<v Speaker 2>after twenty plus years of research and debate, the question

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<v Speaker 2>is really no closer to being settled than it's ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Morgallon's disease real? Is it fake? Or is it both?

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<v Speaker 3>What are we screwed? When are we all the time? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>Which is time for time on Scan? Hey, welcome back

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<v Speaker 3>to the show. As you know, we've been doing less

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<v Speaker 3>housekeepings just to kind of keep the train moving here.

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<v Speaker 3>But we got a really funny review on Spotify, of

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<v Speaker 3>all places, and we figured we'd read it and do

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<v Speaker 3>a couple five star reviews because it's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you guys know what you love it If you

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<v Speaker 2>leave a five star review, we are continuing our promise

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<v Speaker 2>to read your five star reviews. So this one was

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<v Speaker 2>left on kids who kill their parents by Fedi he

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<v Speaker 2>Key left the review that reads as such, have I

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<v Speaker 2>listened yet?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I reading the title of this podcast in the

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<v Speaker 2>dark trying to get my son to sleep. Yes, did

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<v Speaker 2>I almost scream and karate chop my son when he snored? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's just reading the title. It's scared all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>They deliver five stars. Oh hell yeah. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>going on in that review too, so we like to

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<v Speaker 2>hear thank you, Fei. I hope you never karate chop

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<v Speaker 2>your son.

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<v Speaker 3>It also sounds like from the beginning of the review

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<v Speaker 3>the kid wasn't asleep, and by the end of those

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<v Speaker 3>sentences a few sentences, the kid was snoring. So job

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<v Speaker 3>well done, Job well done, John. All right, cool, well

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<v Speaker 3>let's go to a let's go another one, and since

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<v Speaker 3>we're since we're here, I'm gonna do one by Casey O.

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<v Speaker 3>Five stars. When are we scared? Question mark all the time?

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<v Speaker 3>Exclamation point. I think it's a reference to our theme

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<v Speaker 3>ben here since the beginning, and I all caps love it.

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<v Speaker 3>These guys put in so much effort, well thank you

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<v Speaker 3>to make this show amazing. I look forward to the

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<v Speaker 3>weekly episodes and I learned something new every time. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you haven't joined the Patreon, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Holy smokes? They're live stream every I added Holy Smokes.

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<v Speaker 3>Their live stream every month feels like a big friend's

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<v Speaker 3>hangout and and I look forward to it every month.

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<v Speaker 3>The discord is pretty sick as well. Great community to

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<v Speaker 3>be a part of. Keep up the great work. Hoses Boys,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they've been Hose Boys, but I like Hoses

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<v Speaker 3>Boys better. This Boys is pretty good. Thank you, Casey.

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<v Speaker 2>That is we We know you, we love you, and

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<v Speaker 2>we try to make the live streams feel as much

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<v Speaker 2>like a cookout without a grill as possible. We just

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<v Speaker 2>hang out, We have some drinks, we talk about weird news.

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<v Speaker 2>We uh. We recently instigated we shouldn't be instigating anything,

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<v Speaker 2>not instigating anything. We recently installed a fourth live camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you'll have to come see to believe. If

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<v Speaker 2>you come to the live shows.

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<v Speaker 3>And then after you do, you'll say, that's another thing

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<v Speaker 3>you probably shouldn't have done.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we have a great time. So thank you, Casey,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I think will do it for one more?

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<v Speaker 3>Do do you have another one? Up? I have one more?

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<v Speaker 3>I can do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your what's your one more?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? This one just because it's open. Amelia seven eight

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<v Speaker 3>says five stars and then this is probably a bad one.

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<v Speaker 3>To have chosen Ariskophanes question mark Pasadena, question mark is

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<v Speaker 3>the subject the body is. It's just fun listening to

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<v Speaker 3>Chris's mispronunciation of various words and ads sass equips.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, hang on, have I mispronounced Pasadena?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but I was thinking there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>more U mispronunciation in this that I would be fucked

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<v Speaker 3>trying to pronounce. But it turns out it's not the

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<v Speaker 3>case so far, unless I don't know if Aristophanes is correct.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying I don't know. But anyway, back to the

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<v Speaker 3>how fun it is to hear you fuck up and

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<v Speaker 3>me be fun. They've both reignited my love of old

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<v Speaker 3>horrorflicks and unlocked fears I didn't even know I had.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for all the sleepless nights to come exclamation points,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Amelia. It's nice to know people like all

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<v Speaker 3>the good things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks Amelia. I I'll make sure to mispronounce things

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<v Speaker 2>just for you in the future. Pasidena or I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how I could have messed up Pasadena,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mess it up.

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<v Speaker 3>You, Amelia will say, you fucking Amelia bro I.

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<v Speaker 2>Ameliate it all right, guys. Well, yes, leave five star

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<v Speaker 2>reviews on Apple become a verb. They're easier to find.

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<v Speaker 2>You can leave them on.

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<v Speaker 3>Spotify as well. We do check the Spotify.

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<v Speaker 2>Comments, but preferably Apple become a verb. Get used on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, Get on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of using, if you use fucking YouTube, subscribe, subscribe

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<v Speaker 3>to our YouTube. We're doing a lot more video and

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<v Speaker 3>that's something we are not necessarily prioritizing, but working hard on.

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<v Speaker 3>So it really helps out if people can subscribe and

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<v Speaker 3>not just watch them. So on the list of things

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<v Speaker 3>you can do and should be doing and we demand

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<v Speaker 3>you do, it's the five star reviews, and then in

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<v Speaker 3>this case also YouTube. We'd like to do more shit there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're sort of like God in that we demand

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<v Speaker 2>you do certain things and then you earn our eternal love.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly so until until we hear from you, enjoy more

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<v Speaker 2>Gallon's Disease. So ed, Before we fully dive down the

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<v Speaker 2>more Gallon's rabbit hole, I gotta ask you, have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard of this before? Or am I talking to

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<v Speaker 2>a blank slate?

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<v Speaker 3>You usually are?

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the guy that drove around the globe in

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<v Speaker 3>his boat car and was that disease scurvy?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you're thinking of Magellan. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what diseases he had, but I'm sure he had

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<v Speaker 2>the he drove a boat car sixteen hundreds or something.

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<v Speaker 3>He sailed a boat. I don't think he was a

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<v Speaker 3>boat car. Do you remember an age of empires who

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<v Speaker 3>can put in codes and get like a Dodge viper.

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<v Speaker 2>I never knew that now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it gets shot missiles and stuff sick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can be like nice ziggurat or whatever and

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<v Speaker 3>just shoot a bunch of missiles at it. Anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where my mind went. So in this version, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a version of Magell that you have a cheet code

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<v Speaker 3>where he gets a sick boat car and he's firing

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<v Speaker 3>disease out of it via missile. Yeah. Is that what

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<v Speaker 3>this episode's about? No? Oh shit.

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<v Speaker 2>At least, then this episode is about a disease that

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<v Speaker 2>I think I first encountered back on this conspiracy message

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<v Speaker 2>board that used to exist called Abovetopsecret dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you've mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think it exists anymore, but there was

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<v Speaker 2>a period of time there from right around when I

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<v Speaker 2>maybe when I was out here that I was on

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<v Speaker 2>that website a lot. It was a crazy No, I

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<v Speaker 2>never moderated it, but it was it was all. There

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<v Speaker 2>was always something wild being posted there, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>my introduction to a lot of bizarre Internet conspiracy subcultures,

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<v Speaker 2>but more Gallon's Disease stuck with me because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot like gang Stocking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, here come the emails.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I said, we're gonna piss off the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't know what it was now I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was a boat car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like gang Stocking than a boat car. It

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<v Speaker 2>lives in a really interesting gray zone. That fascinates me.

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<v Speaker 2>Any topic like this fascinates me, where you have people

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<v Speaker 2>who are suffering from something and they are clearly suffering

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<v Speaker 2>for real, but what they are suffering from is probably

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<v Speaker 2>not what they think it is, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they can't accept what it might be is creating more suffering.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a It's not like a Munchausen biproxy thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, although Munchausen biproxy does sort of figure into the

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<v Speaker 2>story of mor gallons. But we'll get to that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So more gallons For those of you who are uninitiated

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<v Speaker 2>to this world. It is defined as quote from this

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<v Speaker 2>is from PubMed a paper on PubMed. The disease is

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<v Speaker 2>defined as quote a disfiguring and perplexing skin condition associated

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<v Speaker 2>with spiral kettle infection and tickborn illness.

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<v Speaker 3>Ticks again tics.

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<v Speaker 2>It has some similarities salime disease rimeszy is fucking such

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<v Speaker 2>a shit disease, all right, So people who are suffering

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<v Speaker 2>from Morgallons disease, the symptoms are very, very weird. It

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<v Speaker 2>is a person who believes that they have sores on

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<v Speaker 2>their arms that grow strange biological fibers out of the sores.

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<v Speaker 2>According to a paper examining the history of Morgallons published

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<v Speaker 2>on PubMed, quote, the distinguishing diagnostic feature of more gallons

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<v Speaker 2>is spontaneously appearing alternative skin lesions that contain unusual filaments

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<v Speaker 2>lying under, embedded, in, or projecting from the skin. The

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<v Speaker 2>characteristic filaments are microscopic, visually resembling try microscopic, microscopic. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>people know what they have it they I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that it means well, I should say the quote here

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<v Speaker 2>is that the the filaments are microscopic. I think kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what it's saying is that they are often examined

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<v Speaker 2>beneath a microscope. They are small, very small fibers that

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<v Speaker 2>people pluck from these wounds. They don't they are visible

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<v Speaker 2>to the naked eye, but you can't you can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>like if you when you pluck one off, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily tell what it is without using a microscope. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, this is from a T shirt or

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<v Speaker 2>this is it's a very tiny thin film.

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<v Speaker 3>Gross to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so they have these very tiny, nearly microscopic,

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<v Speaker 2>will say, uh, filaments visually resembling textile fibers that are white, black,

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<v Speaker 2>or more vibrant colors such as red or blue. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very poorly understood condition for a lot of reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to get into with a worldwide distribution

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<v Speaker 3>nine it was fourteen thousand people. And when I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>And then I kept telling you that I was like

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<v Speaker 3>so like make T shirts to ship out, yes, And

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<v Speaker 3>then I was like, the fucking the shirt's breathing was lucidating.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I ended up washing that shirt. As someone

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<v Speaker 2>Took care of what the fact that it was breathing.

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<v Speaker 3>like these little red hairs that were on. It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, I'm not saying that's what these people are experiencing. No,

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<v Speaker 3>my clothes had more gallons. So you know, who knows

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<v Speaker 2>There's another symptom though, In addition to the very strang

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<v Speaker 2>some patients may experience a sensation notice formication. Have you

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<v Speaker 3>Ed know what that is?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what it sounds like that like when you

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<v Speaker 2>later in the day. No Formication is the scientific term

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<v Speaker 2>for stinging, biting, creeping, and crawling sensations on the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got fibers, you've got creeping, stinging, biting, crawling

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<v Speaker 2>sensations on the skin, and the symptoms are not limited

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<v Speaker 2>to just those in formification or whatever, formicationication, chemokela, formication.

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<v Speaker 2>Formication is simply like, if there was actually a centipede

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<v Speaker 2>on your arm, would it still that you wouldn't describe

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<v Speaker 3>It's only like if you're having a sensation. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know if formication is only the

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<v Speaker 2>definition for that term, if there's not actually a physical

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<v Speaker 2>object causing it. YEA, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't look it up to see what

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<v Speaker 2>the difference would be between stinging, biting, creeping, and crawling

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<v Speaker 2>sensations caused by a real bug versus a fake.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I also wonder if a doctor would ever ask that,

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<v Speaker 3>they'd probably just be like, are you feeling stinging? They

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<v Speaker 2>No, probably probably not, probably not. It's just a I

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what it meant, so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>let the audience know. It's another great bar trivia answer, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>formication under consent of the king.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you want someone to go home with you

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<v Speaker 3>from that bar, I don't mention. Don't mention any of

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<v Speaker 3>the experiencing formacation. There's other symptoms too.

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<v Speaker 2>According to a study of More Gallons that the CDC

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<v Speaker 2>undertook in twenty twelve, seventy percent of participants reported chronic

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<v Speaker 2>fatigue lasting six months or more. Seventy one percent had

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<v Speaker 2>muscular skeletal complaints okay, fifty nine percent showed cognitive impairment

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<v Speaker 2>on neuropsychological testing, like like I have this. Sufferers would

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<v Speaker 2>call that brain fog. I have this, Yes, well you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I have more gallons.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have more gellans. Yeah, we hope you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Although yes, brain fog includes memory loss, confusion, and difficulty

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<v Speaker 2>holding a thought, which I feel like I have it.

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<v Speaker 2>We run into multiple times.

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<v Speaker 3>Per I have all the things. I'm a sting away

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<v Speaker 3>from being more galloned out.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people report even stranger symptoms, like black sweat and

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<v Speaker 2>seed like objects emerging from the pores in their skin.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm two things away from more gallons.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, quality of life scores were significantly below national norms.

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<v Speaker 2>Now your back, up your back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that's true. I'm below natural norms.

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<v Speaker 2>And their quality of life scores are often worse than

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<v Speaker 2>patients with something a little bit more traditional, like psoriasis

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<v Speaker 2>or exima, which are also skin in these issues. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really interesting, And you know, I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to draw connections here other than to say I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting that some of these symptoms, with the exception

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<v Speaker 2>of like black sweat and fibers, are found in other

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<v Speaker 2>diseases that are really hard to study. Fatigue, joint pain,

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<v Speaker 2>car complications, cab type of thing, cognitive difficulties, and neuropathy

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<v Speaker 2>are all symptoms that are commonly reported by lime disease

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<v Speaker 2>patients and fibromiologia patients I got on and long COVID patients.

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<v Speaker 2>So is there a connection between all of these things

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<v Speaker 2>other than the fact that they, as we'll get into,

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be dismissed because they disproportionately affect women, and

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<v Speaker 2>and are you know, built around symptoms that are hard

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<v Speaker 2>to physically diagnose. I don't know, but I do find

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<v Speaker 2>it interesting that there's a there's a common thread, excuse

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<v Speaker 2>the pun, between all of those diseases.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it'd be really interesting if COVID. One of

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<v Speaker 3>the symptoms of COVID was black sweat or like ejecting

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<v Speaker 3>seeds yep, because that would be like everyone knows it's November,

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<v Speaker 3>COVID seasons on the rise, like say, away from anyone

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<v Speaker 3>bleeding black sweat or Johnny apple seed type they have

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<v Speaker 3>pods emerging from their necks. Yeah, wait, that would be

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting, Like I don't even know what the world

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<v Speaker 3>would be. No, I don't even know what the world

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<v Speaker 3>would be because you know, you know, like remember when COVID. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>we had a vaccine, but it was whatever, but you

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<v Speaker 3>saw to go to weddings and people were like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>I tested fine, and you never know, you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>people were lying, Yeah, you fully know people were lying

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<v Speaker 3>to your face, like they definitely were coughing like a

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<v Speaker 3>day earlier. They just didn't want to. But the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of someone lying to you like the way my niece lies,

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<v Speaker 3>which it was a little kid, where they're just fully

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<v Speaker 3>like drenched in black sweat and they're like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even have it, bro like, I'm common. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>It ain't nothing, man, This isn't COVID. It's a false

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<v Speaker 2>sweat like this since I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>This is normal.

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<v Speaker 2>What is very unique about mor Gallon's in comparison to

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<v Speaker 2>some of these other diseases that are difficult to diagnose

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<v Speaker 2>because of their psychosomatic symptoms, is that it does seem

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<v Speaker 2>to have these very very weird, painful physical symptoms.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled a few from a list compiled in that

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<v Speaker 2>pub med study, and boy, oh boy, one sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>year old female reported sensations of fibers in her eyelids, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>wormy things coming from her skin, and she self diagnosed

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<v Speaker 2>herself with more gallons.

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<v Speaker 3>As a person who without the use of drugs. When

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<v Speaker 3>I stayed up for three days to do that thing,

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<v Speaker 3>that project correct, I guess my first question would be, like,

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<v Speaker 3>have you gone to sleep? Like, when's the last time

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<v Speaker 3>you went to sleep? Because I saw shit, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was experiencing symptoms that were bananas and that was only

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<v Speaker 3>three days of being a whig. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've talked about in in the like Sleep in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sleep episode about the things that can happen to

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<v Speaker 2>a person when they haven't slept at all. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who suffer from mor gallons also have been

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<v Speaker 2>found to suffer from either some sort of like benzo

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<v Speaker 2>addiction or stimulant addiction or insane degrees of depression.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a vaccine, Yeah, I had gotten a vaccine, had

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<v Speaker 3>gotten it. Yeah, I mean I see enough favorwork is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be well.

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<v Speaker 2>I one of the things. And I kind of left

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<v Speaker 2>this out because it felt like I was tacking on

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<v Speaker 2>a politically tricky subjects.

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<v Speaker 3>No problem talking about it to the end. They put

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<v Speaker 3>in my body to the end of the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But during COVID more gallons had another It had like

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<v Speaker 2>a second life kind of on TikTok because people were

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<v Speaker 2>posting all these videos with absolutely no credation of where

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<v Speaker 2>they came from or anything, but videos being like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see more gallons fibers on the face masks

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<v Speaker 2>that we all have to wear, and it became took

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<v Speaker 2>on another life of its own. During COVIDU also tied

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<v Speaker 2>to the vaccines. So I pulled from this pub med study.

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<v Speaker 2>I pulled a list of symptoms and people who claim

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<v Speaker 2>to have suffered them, so that you can kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get a sense for how varied and extreme some of

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<v Speaker 2>the symptoms of more gallons can be. A sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>year old female who self diagnosed herself with more gallons,

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<v Speaker 2>reported sensations of fibers in her eyelids and quote wormy

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<v Speaker 2>things coming out of her skin. Okay, thirty seven year

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<v Speaker 2>old female who says she had a black substance coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of her hands called sweat.

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<v Speaker 3>We all do it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the big deal? I told you, I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A forty four year old female who reported crawling sensations,

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<v Speaker 2>strings and parasites coming out of her eyelids, eyelashes, and ears.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of ears, I mean a lot of eye

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<v Speaker 3>stuff so far.

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<v Speaker 2>A sixty five year old female who reported crawling sensations

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<v Speaker 2>and believed a snake had migrated in her body.

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<v Speaker 3>We've heard that before in the UH one of the

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<v Speaker 3>drug episodes. There was a lot of snake.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff and spider stuff in the LSD.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was like people went to

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<v Speaker 3>the er being like, there was a fucking snake in me.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a forty six year old male who self

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosed with more gallons and said that he was experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>crawling sensations, cocoons emerging from his body, and also believed

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<v Speaker 2>that he was being pursued by the Japanese mafia, which

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<v Speaker 2>is not not a traditional symptom, and it was on

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<v Speaker 2>this list.

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<v Speaker 3>I watch a lot of football, which is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of pharmaceutical commercials. Yeah. Never once it was like, if

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<v Speaker 3>the Japanese Mafia chance to see you for longer than

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<v Speaker 3>six hours, please seek Yeah, like, not once.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that these symptoms manifest, I mean, these symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>all sound like something from a body horror movie or

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<v Speaker 2>or some other Nicholas Winding ref In movie if it

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<v Speaker 2>involves the Japanese mafia. But the way that these symptoms

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<v Speaker 2>this brain fog and then looking at your arm and

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<v Speaker 2>being like, oh huh is that a weird little string?

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<v Speaker 3>What is that? Did the Yakaza do this?

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<v Speaker 2>They stitch me up? Are my organs still here?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are the first things you had said

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<v Speaker 3>so far. It's it is funny, how much not funny

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<v Speaker 3>but interesting? How much overlap there was with some of

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<v Speaker 3>our Bad Trips episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's very much. It does seem that there is

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<v Speaker 2>a mental component to a lot of this, but we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to that in a minute, because the way that

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<v Speaker 2>this often starts is just with an itch. Imagine waking

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<v Speaker 2>up one morning with the sensation of formication of something

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<v Speaker 2>crawling under your skin, like little bugs burrowing through your

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<v Speaker 2>muscle tissue. That itching gets so in tense that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't stop scratching it, and you scratch so much that

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<v Speaker 2>you break the skin.

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<v Speaker 3>I have never once, and even after we've done our

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<v Speaker 3>episodes on like fucking skin stuff flesh eating bash, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>still guilty of. I don't think I've had a mosquito

422
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<v Speaker 3>bite once in my life that did not become a scab,

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, I feel like I might even inching a

424
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<v Speaker 3>lot and it already is like, well, that's bleeding.

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<v Speaker 2>The itching that these people report is on levels way

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<v Speaker 2>above mosquito bites.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I imagine it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a consistent, aggressive body or yeah kind of itching,

429
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<v Speaker 2>and they scratch so much that they break the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they break the skin, that's when they often

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<v Speaker 2>see the fibers. They don't pop out of their skin

432
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<v Speaker 2>like snakes in a can or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people don't even realize that they're there until, for

435
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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, they end up looking more closely at the

436
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<v Speaker 2>wounds that they've given themselves from scratching.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever look at yourself in a mirror a

438
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<v Speaker 3>long time? Yeah, it's no good. It gets weird, It

439
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<v Speaker 3>gets weird. And so I think if you focus on something,

440
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<v Speaker 3>your eyeballs do tend to like fill in gaps that

441
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<v Speaker 3>weren't there necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, but some of these people report that they even

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<v Speaker 2>have that they've not only found these fibers on the wounds,

444
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<v Speaker 2>but when they have plucked them out of their body,

445
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<v Speaker 2>a new one grows back in its.

446
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<v Speaker 3>Place, hydra to grow back in its place.

447
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<v Speaker 2>So at that point, if you ed Vacola, are sitting

448
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<v Speaker 2>at home with a weeping sore on your arm that

449
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<v Speaker 2>you've scratched through the skin, crying like oozing weep, you know,

450
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<v Speaker 2>like I know, it's all blistery and raw, and you've

451
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<v Speaker 2>plucked these fibers out of your skin, You're gonna go, well,

452
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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is this? This isn't this isn't good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not supposed to have.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm probably saying that a couple of times leading up

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<v Speaker 3>to this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the mistake you might make is to do

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<v Speaker 2>to a lab no, no, no, that would be a

458
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<v Speaker 2>that would be a very smart and good thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people do what a lot of

460
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<v Speaker 2>us do when there's a mysterious oh your Google, fucking

461
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<v Speaker 2>you go to WebMD, you go and you google fibers

462
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<v Speaker 2>growing out of skin, or fibers in my wounds, or

463
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<v Speaker 2>strange fiber on body, and you will find out very

464
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<v Speaker 2>quickly that you were not alone.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Man, there are thousands and thousands and thousands of people

467
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<v Speaker 2>all over the world experiencing this exact same thing.

468
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<v Speaker 3>And if we can get them together, we'll save a

469
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<v Speaker 3>lot of money on fabric. We can just make bolts

470
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<v Speaker 3>out of these people.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they say, you know, the economy is having a

472
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<v Speaker 2>rough time. I think if we could just pay the

473
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<v Speaker 2>Morgallon's community.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like donating plasma.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they donate those threads. We bring the costs of

476
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<v Speaker 2>fabrics down. Yeah, clothes become cheaper, and you might have

477
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<v Speaker 2>just save a sense of purpose. You might have just

478
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<v Speaker 2>saved the world.

479
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<v Speaker 3>Put a giant sweater around the world. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you make the mistake of getting online, you

481
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<v Speaker 2>will find that there are thousands and thousands and thousands

482
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<v Speaker 2>of people experiencing this exact same thing. They have a

483
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<v Speaker 2>name for it, Morgallons. They have a website, they have

484
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<v Speaker 2>a community, and just like victims of game stalking, these

485
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<v Speaker 2>people are furious.

486
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<v Speaker 3>That no one will take them seriously. They are going

487
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<v Speaker 3>to doctors. Well, okay, we'll let you continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we continue, I do just want to say that

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<v Speaker 2>Now to the history of more Gallons.

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<v Speaker 3>Cut you up. That was great. I wasn't expecting that,

496
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<v Speaker 3>but now I'm interested in the product. You're offerings were great.

497
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<v Speaker 2>Geez ed, what an episode to introduce our listeners to

498
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<v Speaker 2>our new friends over at Rula.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah yeah. If you made it this far and

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<v Speaker 3>no more gallons and thought, wow, I may have some

501
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<v Speaker 3>things I'd like to discuss the licensed professional. Good news.

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<v Speaker 2>As many longtime listeners are well aware, I've been discussing

503
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<v Speaker 2>things with the licensed professional for more than a decade,

504
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<v Speaker 2>and getting therapy is something I do truly encourage everyone

505
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<v Speaker 2>to do, especially in tumultuous times like these, because it

506
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what scares you or what keeps you up

507
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<v Speaker 2>at night, A good therapist can help you work through

508
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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of fears, the ones that live in your brain,

509
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<v Speaker 2>the ones that feel like they live in your body,

510
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<v Speaker 2>and the ones that follow you around everywhere you go,

511
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<v Speaker 2>like the clowns in the van outside my house.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we're talking about Rula. Rula is a healthcare

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<v Speaker 3>company that helps connect you with licensed therapists and mental

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<v Speaker 3>session when using insurance. Depending on your benefits, it could

518
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<v Speaker 3>be as little as zero dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can tell you, as someone who uses insurance

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<v Speaker 2>for therapy, that is crazy good. I've never paid that

521
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<v Speaker 2>little for therapy and I feel like if Rula can

522
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<v Speaker 2>offer you that, you have no reason not to seek

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<v Speaker 2>it out. And because we all have different fears, anxieties, stressors,

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<v Speaker 2>and nightmares, Rula also helps you find someone who actually

525
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<v Speaker 2>fits what you need, which again is something that I

526
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<v Speaker 2>had trouble with when I went to find my first therapist.

527
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know how to find somebody who actually matched

528
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<v Speaker 2>with the problems I was dealing with. I just kept

529
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<v Speaker 2>walking into a clinic asking for help until they gave

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<v Speaker 2>me somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. That's one way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Rule it considers your goals, preferences, background and state

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, and appointments can be available as soon as tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rule supports you through the whole process, from finding

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<v Speaker 2>Thousands of people are already using Rula to get affordable,

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<v Speaker 2>u la dot com slash scared. Because you deserve mental

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<v Speaker 3>So again, go to Rula dot com slash scared. That's

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<v Speaker 3>Rula dot com slash scared and tell him the host

546
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<v Speaker 3>boy sent you. And the best way to do that

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<v Speaker 3>is again to use the code scared. Yeah yeah.

548
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<v Speaker 2>While I always assume that more Gallons emerged fully formed

549
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<v Speaker 2>from the swamps of the Internet. It turns out that

550
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<v Speaker 2>the history of the disease is even weirder than that.

551
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<v Speaker 2>The popular history of Morgallons can be traced back literally

552
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<v Speaker 2>to one patient zero named Drew Lattau.

553
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<v Speaker 3>I was really expecting their name to be more.

554
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<v Speaker 2>Guellen No no, no, who was only two years old

555
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<v Speaker 2>in the summer of two thousand and one. According to

556
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<v Speaker 2>an article written in two thousand and six for the

557
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<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh Post Gazette, which is where the Latau family lived

558
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<v Speaker 2>as Pittsburgh called LaTaO turns five. No no, no, no.

559
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<v Speaker 3>He was two in two thousand and one, so he's

560
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<v Speaker 3>seven or something now.

561
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<v Speaker 2>This was a look back at the history of Morgallons

562
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<v Speaker 2>by the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, and quote Drew says mommy

563
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<v Speaker 2>and daddy and milk, and often when he points to

564
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<v Speaker 2>an irritated patch of skin under his lips bugs his mother.

565
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<v Speaker 3>That's horrible. It's like if your kid said, goes bro.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother, Mary Latau, a graduate of UMass Boston with

567
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<v Speaker 2>a degree in biology, found this really weird. She'd already

568
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<v Speaker 2>taken Drew to several Pittsburgh dermatologists and pediatricians, but nothing

569
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<v Speaker 2>they prescribed for ecima or atypical scabies ever stopped his itching.

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<v Speaker 2>One night, as she was applying his scabies cream, which

571
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<v Speaker 2>is the thing I hope to never apply to a child.

572
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<v Speaker 2>That sounds terrible that I.

573
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<v Speaker 3>Hope someone would have applied to that poor old person

574
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<v Speaker 3>who eaten alive.

575
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, who's eaten alive by the scabies. I don't think

576
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<v Speaker 2>by the end they had really anybody help in the mouth. Unfortunately,

577
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<v Speaker 2>go listen to our Eating a Live episode if you're

578
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<v Speaker 2>more sad stories. For more sad stories. But as Mary

579
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<v Speaker 2>was applying the scabies cream to her son, quote, something

580
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<v Speaker 2>fiberlike emerges from his skin. As a biologist, she was mesmerized,

581
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<v Speaker 2>but as a mother, she's horrified. She collected a sample

582
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<v Speaker 2>of the strands from Drew's skin and was surprised that

583
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<v Speaker 2>they glide right off like filaments from a dandelion. She

584
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<v Speaker 2>places them on slides and examines them underneath an eight

585
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<v Speaker 2>dollar radio shack microscope.

586
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<v Speaker 3>Wait, did she go buy it or did she just

587
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<v Speaker 3>have that?

588
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

589
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<v Speaker 3>She's how seriously do you take your job? That's that's

590
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<v Speaker 3>what you've committed in terms of investment eight dollars. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think this was maybe just the home microscope. I

592
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<v Speaker 3>imagine that at some point she probably did take these

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<v Speaker 3>two a more powerful microscope at work, Absolutely sure. I

594
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<v Speaker 3>just interesting that she had it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't seem Yeah, it seems like if you had access

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<v Speaker 2>to a nicer microscope and your son was suffering from

597
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<v Speaker 2>mystery disease, you would just elect to go straight to

598
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<v Speaker 2>the nice microscope. You wouldn't start with the at home

599
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>magnifying glass. But in any case, according to the post

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<v Speaker 2>case at Mary calls what she's discovered fibers, which becomes

601
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<v Speaker 2>the term for what these are, and at first she

602
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<v Speaker 2>hopes to find that they're just sweater strands or some

603
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<v Speaker 2>simple fungus that she's unfamiliar with. But after months of studying,

604
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<v Speaker 2>she finds something else.

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<v Speaker 3>No months of studying on that fucking eight dollar number.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if she like, are you gonna go

607
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<v Speaker 2>to work with the as you're a biologist or whatever

608
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<v Speaker 2>she I need to know if she got time on

609
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<v Speaker 2>a better microscope. After months of studying, she finds something else,

610
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<v Speaker 2>something that sometimes appears red or black or blue and

611
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<v Speaker 2>fluoresces beneath the proper light. So I think this months

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<v Speaker 2>of studying did come after she took it to other

613
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<v Speaker 2>labs in microscopes. I don't think this was all at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think she gets new ones every day from

615
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<v Speaker 3>the kid where it's like, could you please squirret out

616
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<v Speaker 3>a few more? Can you please pop a few more

617
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<v Speaker 3>seeds for me?

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<v Speaker 2>She was taking a lot of fiber samples off her son.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Her first description of these fibers was that under magnification

621
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<v Speaker 2>they appear ribbon like and sen acidic, which means they

622
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<v Speaker 2>didn't have cell walls. So she was examining this beneath

623
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<v Speaker 2>a nicer microscope than her eight dollar radio shack.

624
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<v Speaker 3>Or we all think we need a nicer microscope and

625
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<v Speaker 3>eight dollars does the trick. That's true.

626
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<v Speaker 2>What we might be learning from a scientist here is, yeah,

627
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<v Speaker 2>the nice microscopes are way over overpriced.

628
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<v Speaker 3>Also rip gup less radio shack.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the article, miss Latow tried to prove herself

630
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<v Speaker 2>wrong dozens of times logic tells her people don't sprout fibers.

631
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<v Speaker 3>Mister spider Man in the first same Raimi one, where's crazy? Well,

632
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<v Speaker 3>that's that's totally different.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm injection.

634
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Remember he looks at his hand about to wear little

635
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 3>barbs like spider barbs his fingertips, and it's really gross

636
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 3>and we don't need to know how Spider Man does. It.

637
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Turns out, no matter how many times she swabs her

638
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>son's sores clean and then covers them with a sterile,

639
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.279
<v Speaker 2>non fibrous wrap, the fibers always return. So she brings

640
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Drugh to a doctor, and then another doctor, and then

641
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>another and another. Texas Monthly says she went to at

642
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>least twelve doctors, including doctors at Johns Hopkins, and none

643
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 2>of them could find anything wrong with.

644
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 3>This kid that they couldn't get fibers.

645
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:51.519
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't get fibers. They suggested that the fibers Mary

646
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 2>was bringing in little plastic bags and showing them were

647
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>threads from Drew's clothes that were just affixing themselves to

648
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the sore. In fact, the Johns Hopkins specialist, a guy

649
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>named doctor Fred Heldrick, who was specifically known for solving

650
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>medical mysteries, wrote a letter known for He's like a

651
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 2>doctor house. He was like a guy who you would

652
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 2>bring weird cases out when all else fails, this guy

653
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>will do the third act.

654
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:18.720
<v Speaker 3>Figure it out.

655
00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Heldrick not as good of a name as doctor House,

656
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>but he wrote a letter to Latoo's referring physician that

657
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.680
<v Speaker 2>basically said, your patient's mom needs to see a psychiatrist,

658
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.359
<v Speaker 2>and I hope she stops using her son to explore

659
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever is wrong with her.

660
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

661
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Another specialist that Johns Hopkins, flat out refused to see

662
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>her and suggested she might have Munchausen by proxy, which

663
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>is the psychological condition where a parent fabricates or induces

664
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>an illness in their child for attention. It's a really

665
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>sad mental illness that.

666
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 3>She means it will probably be the next episode. Yeah.

667
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>But Mary said, no, no, no, that's not what's going

668
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 2>on here. There's something wrong with my son and we

669
00:32:58.119 --> 00:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>need to figure out what it is. So she started

670
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.960
<v Speaker 2>scouring the internet for any evidence that other people were

671
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>experiencing the same thing. But remember it was like two

672
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three. This was two thousand and one to two.

673
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah, I had to find someone's Fortune

674
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 3>City website.

675
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.319
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. This was the first case of Morgallons.

676
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 2>She found strange stories that sounded similar, often on Scabie's

677
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>message boards, but nothing that defined what Drew was experiencing.

678
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.759
<v Speaker 2>And then she found a letter from a man named

679
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 2>doctor Thomas Brown, who had written a description of exactly

680
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 2>what her son stoppedancing.

681
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.319
<v Speaker 3>And this is written before, technically posted before she went

682
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 3>to see all his doctors.

683
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was posted way, way way before she went

684
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to go.

685
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I am printing that out and bringing it

686
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 3>to all the doctors.

687
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>He wrote this letter three hundred and thirty years before

688
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Mary found it all the way back in sixteen seventy.

689
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Who typed it and put it on the internet.

690
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, it wasn't.

691
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't.

692
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was typed or where she

693
00:33:59.240 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>found it?

694
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Like it, how was this even doing on the internet

695
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.440
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and one. I'm saying, like one of

696
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.640
<v Speaker 3>the Dead Sea scrolls you found this in like.

697
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, the Dead Sea Scrolls probably were typed up and

698
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>put on the Internet somewhere too.

699
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 3>So No, for me, though, this is very vindicating for

700
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:14.360
<v Speaker 3>her and me.

701
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great turn of events for Mary. She

702
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>was thrilled because she felt for the first time that

703
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>she may not have been the first person to discover

704
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.880
<v Speaker 2>this disease. It's just that it was so unbelievable that

705
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 2>its existence had slipped straight through the cracks of medical science.

706
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:35.440
<v Speaker 2>An article published on Jezebel takes us back in time. Okay,

707
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 2>it tells us quote the children of long Doc, France

708
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 2>were born into suffering. They itched uncontrollably and had epileptic fits.

709
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>They spent their childhood screaming until their voices went hoarse.

710
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Unable to sleep, they would, according to a seventeenth century observer,

711
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>pass rapidly into wasting and extreme emaciation. Their mothers tried

712
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.719
<v Speaker 2>to ease their pain by rubbing their backs and coating

713
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>their skin with honey and new milk, and eventually the

714
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>mothers noticed quote coarse hairs emerging from their children's skin.

715
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.719
<v Speaker 2>They would grab quote little pincers as women use to

716
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 2>pull the hair from off their eyebrows, and pull the

717
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>offending coarse hairs from their children's bodies one by one.

718
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>The extraction was the closest they had to a cure.

719
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 2>The mothers would ritualistically repeat the process over and over

720
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>and over again until the children stopped crying and convulsing,

721
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 2>and until the hairs stopped sprouting from their racked little bodies.

722
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So with the removal of hair also was an

723
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 3>easing of the.

724
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Of the pain of the pain. As early as the

725
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth century, physicians and men of science had visited this

726
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 2>region of France to witness these painfully diseased children and

727
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>left detailing the horrifying screams of infants, the rituals of

728
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>their mothers, and the detrimental effects that the inexplicable coarse

729
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 2>hairs had on the well being of the entire community's children.

730
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>And eventually it's this mystery that drew the attention of

731
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 2>British physician Sir Thomas Brown, who visited the region in

732
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>sixteen thirty. It was a little unclear to me if

733
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>he waited forty years to write a letter about this,

734
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.039
<v Speaker 2>because he didn't write the letter until sixteen seventy, or

735
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 2>if perhaps you know, that's the only letter that survived

736
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and he wrote about it earlier, but we lost that information. Sure,

737
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 2>But it was this passage that caught Mary's attention. Quote

738
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>hairs which have most amused me have not been in

739
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the face or head, but on the back, amused, and

740
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.320
<v Speaker 2>not in men, but children, as I long observed in

741
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>the endemial distemper of the little children in Langdoc called

742
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the Morgallons, wherein they critically break out with harsh hairs

743
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.159
<v Speaker 2>on their backs which take off the unquiet symptoms of

744
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.639
<v Speaker 2>the disease and delivers them from coughs and convulsions.

745
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:44.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm so wait, hold on. So Morgallons was like an area,

746
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 3>this is where this people lived.

747
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>It's Jezebel says that his description of the disease as

748
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 2>more gallons was a bastardization of what were more renowned

749
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>physicians called masculess or maskellons. So I think miskellons or

750
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>masculine list was the term for what they decided these

751
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 2>kids were suffering from. Okay, but he called it mor gallons.

752
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:07.719
<v Speaker 3>And it thought it was hilarious.

753
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Hious as you're amused here is being used in the

754
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>modern sense.

755
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Of The part that really had me slap in my

756
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 3>name was when they would cry the back hair.

757
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you what these kids made me l

758
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 2>O L l O L. At the end of the day, though,

759
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 2>his errors didn't matter to Mary because she matched the

760
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 2>symptoms described in this letter to the disease devouring her

761
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 2>kid's body.

762
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 3>And it's older than her complaint yeah, so fucking mcgallons

763
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 3>is real, and for the remainder of this podcast, you

764
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 3>have to dissuade me on that.

765
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Mystery solved well, because I do just want to pause

766
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to point out that despite Mary's best intentions to help

767
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>her son and others that she'd run into online, it

768
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>is this sort of loose attention to detail that doesn't

769
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>really help her case, because what her son is experiencing

770
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 2>sounds sort of similar to morgallon's. But in no point

771
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 2>does it seem that he grew large, coarse, black hairs

772
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that you could pluck out with tweezers, Nor.

773
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Did it say that when she removed the hair that

774
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 3>itching stopped, that it subsided.

775
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And Furthermore, while I'm not sure Mary knew this at

776
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>the time, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt,

777
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>but it turns out that the more Gellons tormenting the

778
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>seventeenth century children of Longdoc had a much more prosaic explanation.

779
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Not long after Brown penned this letter that she found

780
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years later, science determined that those coarse hairs

781
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 2>quote unquote that were emerging from the children of Longdoc

782
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 2>were likely just the bristled legs of the Sarco pets

783
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 2>skybey what socco? I don't care what the word zarcapetti,

784
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 2>scabe or itch mites. So they were scabies, Yes, they

785
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:50.880
<v Speaker 2>were scabies by.

786
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 3>The time, yes, not fucking Jesus man, by the time

787
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 3>to stop having bugs in us.

788
00:38:55.320 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 2>By the time the Italian stud Giovanni Cosimo Bonomo identified

789
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the existence of the scabies mite in sixteen eighty seven,

790
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.079
<v Speaker 2>this word mor gellon's or McKellen's or whatever had already

791
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 2>entered the lexicon. So my point is the reason that

792
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Mary felt this disease had like slipped through the cracks

793
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of history. Yeah, was not because it was a medical

794
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>mystery that no one could understand.

795
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Is that no one had figured out what scabies.

796
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Yet, and once they did, they just renamed it scabies.

797
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm never gonna google it. I'm never gonna look for

798
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 3>a fucking photograph. It will not be on the screen

799
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 3>of the video version. But like I guess, in my mind,

800
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 3>I thought scabies were more microscopic than like, ill a

801
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 3>leg watch out, like like it's big enough for the

802
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 3>naked eye to like big old leg because a hair

803
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 3>is not super small, you know.

804
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I look I don't google it. I don't know

805
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>anything about.

806
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 3>And nor should we scabies audience.

807
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, probably I know they ate that one woman alive

808
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 2>that one time.

809
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, that's this was why in my thought

810
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like, hey, this lady's might be a werewolf

811
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.440
<v Speaker 3>with how harry she's That's what I'm saying. I thought

812
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 3>it was maybe more microscopic.

813
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 2>It does seem like I'm doing some real time producing here,

814
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>and it does seem that scabies are essentially invisible to

815
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the naked eye. But they look like tiny black They

816
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 2>may look like tiny black dots on the skin.

817
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>Dots. Dots are not hair.

818
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Dots are not hair. So Morgellons is back on the table, baby,

819
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>because now I'm not convinced that it's just scabies.

820
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna say that the people had like centipedes

821
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 3>in them.

822
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, centipedes are nowhere, nowhere near the

823
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:33.000
<v Speaker 2>story of Morgellans.

824
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>No, I know, but I'm saying that. I'm saying scabies

825
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 3>is not a circle that goes into a circle hole

826
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:39.199
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

827
00:40:40.039 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know, I don't even know.

828
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to say there, but I'm saying it's

829
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 3>not one. For one. I'm saying Scaby's has not for

830
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 3>me closed the door to mcgellan's, magellang morgellons.

831
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, in any case, you'll remember that Mary was

832
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.159
<v Speaker 2>convinced that Drew did not have scabies, so she was

833
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 2>not going to be satisfied with this.

834
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 3>She was aware of solution and yeah, cause scabies don't

835
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 3>come out neon, green and shit.

836
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 2>And she launched a website called the more Gallons Research

837
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Foundation to act as a hub for people suffering with

838
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>the disease and to gather and trade information.

839
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Where was that It's not scabies dot org.

840
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 2>That would have been a much better name.

841
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 3>It's hard because there's a camp through apostrophe.

842
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:18.719
<v Speaker 2>But on March twenty ninth, two thousand and four, she

843
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>formally established the more Gallon's Research Foundation as a nonprofit

844
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 2>group headquartered in her home. In non scabies groups quote, there,

845
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 2>self identified more Gallon sufferers shared their symptoms and exchanged

846
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>homemade remedies to alleviate their pain. They also obsessively documented

847
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>their symptoms.

848
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Now I don't want to. I just feel you know,

849
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 3>everyone's got a different body whatever. But if none of

850
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.119
<v Speaker 3>their remedies was like have you tried just pulling the

851
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 3>hairs out and the pain goes away, then it does

852
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.519
<v Speaker 3>slip a little bit further from the old story, yes,

853
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.599
<v Speaker 3>because it seems like the old story which they were

854
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:54.239
<v Speaker 3>like you know, Janine and Ghostbusters hitting the button being

855
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 3>like we got one, like her being like, finally, more

856
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 3>gallons is real? Should all? So you can't like window

857
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.639
<v Speaker 3>shop with that, Like what else about that story? Like, yep,

858
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 3>there are the hairs. Great, if you pull them out,

859
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 3>the pain subsides, right, then it's like fuck, then this

860
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 3>is definitely more gallons. But if they were like the

861
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 3>only thing that makes it go away is like honey

862
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 3>and almond paste or whatever, then.

863
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 2>Well nothing makes it go away.

864
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 3>From most of these people.

865
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>There is sort of a cycle that some researchers have

866
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>described about the particular cruelty of more gallons, which is,

867
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you scratch, you bleed or open a wound, you discover

868
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a fiber. You then scratch more to try to find

869
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.039
<v Speaker 2>so you discover a fiber, which proves to you that

870
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>it's more gallons, and then you'll scratch more to find

871
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>more fibers to continue to prove that you're actually suffering

872
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>from something, and so a lot of these people flows.

873
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Because they just for more. It keeps itching, so they

874
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.440
<v Speaker 3>keep going, there's gotta be more. Oh that's okay, interesting

875
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.559
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, because they hadn't gotten to the root cause

876
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:59.559
<v Speaker 3>of the itch. I thought it was an equally terrible

877
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 3>exists and switches. I need to collect more fibers to

878
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>prove that I have a disease. I mean, I think

879
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit of both.

880
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit of both, and those things compound.

881
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 2>And then especially when you go to a doctor with

882
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 2>your evidence and they say this is just from your

883
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 2>T shirt, You're like, no, doc, look, I'm fucking in

884
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>pain here and they're coming out of my skin.

885
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.679
<v Speaker 3>But of course, yeah, this isn't self mutilation. It's clearly

886
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:22.400
<v Speaker 3>like I'm itching.

887
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>But when the doctors look, they very rarely find any

888
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>of these fibers.

889
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 3>That's because the radio shackmount of business.

890
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

891
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:29.840
<v Speaker 3>If they don't have.

892
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 2>The equipment and radiohack we need.

893
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 3>You need it back, man. You think you're gonna get

894
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 3>I think you're gonna find these results on a circuit

895
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 3>city microscope.

896
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>So people suffering from Morgellons found the Morgallon's Research Foundation

897
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and shared their stories, their remedies, and they also shared

898
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 2>their obsessively documented symptoms. The forum, which is now no

899
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 2>pieces of it still are kind of on like the

900
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Wayback Machine and stuff, but a lot of it doesn't

901
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 2>exist anymore. But the forum at the time contained pages

902
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>upon pages of photographs of lesions across scabbed and bloodied faces,

903
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 2>arms and backs, Photographs of sufferers pulling fibers from their skin,

904
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.519
<v Speaker 2>photographs of bundles of saved fibers stored for researchers and

905
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:14.239
<v Speaker 2>doctors to study. And Mary began to collect the stories

906
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>of all of these people suffering from something and the

907
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.440
<v Speaker 2>itching in the burning was really the worst part for

908
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:21.920
<v Speaker 2>most of them, and some of them.

909
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Went the hardest thing to catch on camera.

910
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean, because you can't show exactly itch, but

911
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>some of these people were driven to truly desperate lengths

912
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>to stop the sensation the.

913
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 3>Way and I've been itchy, oh yeah, like I've been like,

914
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 3>like I've had type thing from like sports and like

915
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.679
<v Speaker 3>like the toe fungus and whatever the fuck it, like

916
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.840
<v Speaker 3>like athletes foot athletes foot type of thing which has

917
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 3>like a burning sensation as well. And I'm not saying

918
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 3>it's like, oh, you can see all these scars on

919
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 3>my balls from when I like I itched so much.

920
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:52.320
<v Speaker 3>But I'm saying, like, did you check your balls for fibers?

921
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean you put it. I would have found some, but.

922
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Around twelve or whatever when they're when the when they first started,

923
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.639
<v Speaker 3>I guess. But I'm saying it is one of the

924
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:06.159
<v Speaker 3>least pleasant annoyances we have, like an itch that you

925
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 3>just need to scratch, whether it's a mosquito bite or

926
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 3>what I said earlier, which I might cut is uh,

927
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 3>it sucks. So to have it to the point where,

928
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 3>like I'm involuntarily breaking skin is a nightmare.

929
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 2>It got so bad for these people that documented interventions

930
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>include a person who bathed in bleach, no one who

931
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 2>applied pesticides directly to their skin. Someone doused their lesions

932
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:35.400
<v Speaker 2>with acid. They scrubbed with nail brushes and detergents until

933
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 2>their skin was wraw. Some people took veterinary grade anti

934
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 2>parasitic drugs. It doses meant for livestock.

935
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:43.199
<v Speaker 3>It feels like some machinists shit.

936
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 2>One woman set off bug bombs in her condo eight

937
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>different times.

938
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 3>While she was in it.

939
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 2>There's no way you should be breathing that in at all,

940
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 2>And one forty five year old man overdosed on benadryl

941
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 2>he was so desperate to stop the burning, telling doctor.

942
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>He made a new friend.

943
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that man to go visit a hat man.

944
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And hat man said, my son, not.

945
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 3>That I cured on this realm only he told.

946
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>The man who overdosed on benajol later told doctors that

947
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>he'd rather be dead than feel like this.

948
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:12.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I get it.

949
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>And one writer atol Gowanda described a Massachusetts woman who

950
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 2>had a chronic itch in her scalp who eventually scratched

951
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.760
<v Speaker 2>through her skull and into her own brain, only to

952
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 2>discover the damage when she awoke to liquid cerebro spinal

953
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 2>fluid running down her face.

954
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.239
<v Speaker 3>That's pictures are didn't happen like that is? I mean,

955
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 3>you're touching your own brain. Also, what were those rocks

956
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.360
<v Speaker 3>when we were kids, They had like a little indent,

957
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 3>like a wishing stone type of thing.

958
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Huh And he rub your thumb in it?

959
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, if you're rubbing your fucking skull to the

960
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 3>point where you've made like a wishing stone.

961
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:53.159
<v Speaker 2>And in your head, yeah, like I'm rubbing too hard, lady.

962
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I just don't even know how much it. For all

963
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Speaker 3>I know, brains are actually maybe it's very easy to do,

964
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.079
<v Speaker 3>but like, but in my mind, it's like you're trying

965
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 3>to erode a mountain.

966
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I don't think this was overnight. I

967
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 2>think this was probably an ongoing She's scratching for weeks,

968
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>if not months. You know, the scalp is raw, and

969
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.440
<v Speaker 2>she's just continuing to scratch and scratch and scratch and scratch.

970
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 3>I just can't even what do we why do we

971
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 3>even have skulls?

972
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 2>If that's if that's a way in, Yeah, you would

973
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.559
<v Speaker 2>hope that they'd be a little bit tougher than an

974
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.760
<v Speaker 2>old lady's fingernails, but apparently, given enough time, those fingernails

975
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 2>can do some damage.

976
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.199
<v Speaker 3>The craziest thing about this is if it's not even

977
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:35.239
<v Speaker 3>if it is a disease, we're just little little cars

978
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.239
<v Speaker 3>for our brains, right, We're just little brain suits. Yep.

979
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.159
<v Speaker 3>And all the bugs that ride around on us, all

980
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 3>the parasites. Yeah, the idea that one brain asks another brain,

981
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 3>how did your brain suit hurt you? And it's like,

982
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 3>oh it, I made it. Think it had an itch

983
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 3>so bad that it hurt me. Yeah, Yeah, Like the

984
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 3>brain potentially caused the injury and to the and facilitated

985
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.199
<v Speaker 3>being injured is so insane to me.

986
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 2>You would think we evolved to have a thick ridge

987
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 2>of bone around our brain called a skull to protect

988
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>our brains. You would think that brains also would have

989
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 2>evolved the ability to not damage themselves, like like where's

990
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 2>the like uh like Asimov Rules of Robots for ourselves

991
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 2>where it's like not through inaction.

992
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Or we have none.

993
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Man, we live in the wild. We live in the

994
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 2>wild world of.

995
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 3>It's just I don't know if it was nature Pete

996
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Holmes bit from a million years ago or whatever where

997
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:36.119
<v Speaker 3>he's like I'm paraphrasing to like make us happy all

998
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:38.760
<v Speaker 3>the time, and they just don't. Yeah, it's like we

999
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 3>have saratotin, we have all this, Yeah, and it's like

1000
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:49.880
<v Speaker 3>it almost never chooses that. Well.

1001
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Mary was still deep in her own funk trying to

1002
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>figure out what exactly was going on here when she

1003
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>anecdotally discovered something that would later be confirmed by scientific

1004
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:04.800
<v Speaker 2>studies and something that I mentioned closer to the top

1005
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>of the episode. Morgellons disproportionately affects middle aged white women.

1006
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Now, I don't't know about the white part, but I

1007
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 3>did notice when you gave the list earlier, is only

1008
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 3>like one guy at the very end.

1009
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's it's heavily skewed towards middle aged white women.

1010
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 2>And this is one of the reasons that the medical

1011
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 2>medical community immediately started throwing red flags up around claims

1012
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>of more gallons. Some of it because of misogyny, yeah,

1013
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 2>some of it because there is another disease that predominantly

1014
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.199
<v Speaker 2>affects middle aged white women and ticks almost all the

1015
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 2>same boxes as more gallons.

1016
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Hold on before you get into that, ye was her

1017
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 3>baby was a little boy though, right.

1018
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, so, and there are I mean, there

1019
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.519
<v Speaker 2>was other research I was doing. I found other long

1020
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 2>form articles written about men who were experiencing this.

1021
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, he's not only a guy. He's far

1022
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 3>from middle aged.

1023
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah no, no, no, he's a young kid with something

1024
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.880
<v Speaker 2>going on and going on. But in dermatology, there is

1025
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>this disease called delusional parasitosis that was first described in

1026
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:09.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty eight by a Swedish neurologist named Carl Axel Eckbom.

1027
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean I get it, but I mean, what do

1028
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 3>you get.

1029
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:15.079
<v Speaker 2>We're not to getting anything.

1030
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 3>I just what I get is what the other was it?

1031
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.320
<v Speaker 3>Anyone who would tell me I have that would get,

1032
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.239
<v Speaker 3>which is fucking furious. Yeah, like the fact that someone's like,

1033
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.440
<v Speaker 3>all right, let me tell you what I think you

1034
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.159
<v Speaker 3>have and it includes delusional.

1035
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 2>It's called your fucking crazy.

1036
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like I would be like, fuck you, or he's

1037
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.639
<v Speaker 3>an acronym or something. Yeah, that's such a ship name

1038
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 3>for a thing. But that's all I was gonna say.

1039
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>I think I think in this case, delusional is probably

1040
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>being used in like the medical sense of the term.

1041
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:44.239
<v Speaker 3>Is there a medical sense?

1042
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's delusional can be used as an insult, but

1043
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I think delusional is like a category of mental illnesses.

1044
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Mental illness.

1045
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it sounds insulting, but I don't think it's

1046
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>quite as bad as calling it like your brain's fucking

1047
00:50:59.039 --> 00:50:59.760
<v Speaker 2>broke disease.

1048
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 3>If your brain's broke disease, is that one? What woman

1049
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.880
<v Speaker 3>who did that to herself? Yeah she's got both now.

1050
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah shit, but so this disease Delusional parasitosis is a fixed,

1051
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 2>false belief of being infested by parasites or a foreign material.

1052
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Symptoms include itching, scratching, lesions, the bugs under the skin, feeling,

1053
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.719
<v Speaker 2>the formication, everything but the fibers.

1054
00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:25.519
<v Speaker 3>I know I've been holding that itching for a minute.

1055
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 3>I want to say anything about it, but yeah, I

1056
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:28.960
<v Speaker 3>did have an itch in my head right now.

1057
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 2>If you've if, have you ever seen the movie Bug. No,

1058
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 2>so the movie Bug, I'm looking.

1059
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 3>If it has anything to do with what you've been

1060
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:36.800
<v Speaker 3>talking about, I'm glad I have.

1061
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking directly into the cameras right now because I am.

1062
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 2>If you are watching this on video, I need to

1063
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>implore you if you have never seen William Friedkin's Bug.

1064
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I love William Freakin and it stars Ashley Judd and

1065
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Michael Shannon, Michael Shannon's first major role.

1066
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 3>And I missed this freakin movie.

1067
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 2>It is fucking It's one of my favorite movies. It's

1068
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 2>really really good. It's really intense.

1069
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 3>You're twisted, bro, It's really disturbing piece of shit. But

1070
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I doesn't even sit through Joe's apartment.

1071
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 2>If you've never seen Bug, you should, both because it's excellent,

1072
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 2>but also because this is basically the disease from the

1073
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.199
<v Speaker 2>movie Bug. If you've ever seen Bug, Bug is sort

1074
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of delusional parasitosis.

1075
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 3>To the movie doesn't not as good a title, not

1076
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.199
<v Speaker 3>as good a title. That was not a great title either, honestly,

1077
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.800
<v Speaker 3>but bug, it's a good title. It's a good title.

1078
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.039
<v Speaker 2>It was also it was Mike, you know, Michael Shannon

1079
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.679
<v Speaker 2>got the role because it was a play initially a

1080
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Tracy Let's play, and Michael Shannon was I believe, originated

1081
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the role and was currently performing the role in the

1082
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 2>stage version when Freedkin, I.

1083
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 3>Feel like freaking used to go to a lot of

1084
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 3>plays because that was the whole thing, where like Stacy

1085
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 3>Keach was paid to be in the exercise. Yeah, but

1086
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.039
<v Speaker 3>then Friedkin had gone to a play and like saw

1087
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 3>that guy and he was like that guy should be

1088
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 3>the priest.

1089
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then like whomever, that's true, and then he

1090
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 2>cast Yeah, he cast Michael Shannon, and.

1091
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 3>It was because he wants to he saw like some

1092
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>black box theater play. I guess Freedkin liked to go

1093
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 3>to plays.

1094
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>He seemed like a culture man. I could see it seems.

1095
00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Like he screams of a lot of people.

1096
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.239
<v Speaker 2>He did Marl sure did h RP. Goblest great director.

1097
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.360
<v Speaker 3>But seemed like he had a face of someone who

1098
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 3>threw coffee at a PA.

1099
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Also, I should just say, if and when you do

1100
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.199
<v Speaker 2>watch Bug, try to watch it with the mindset of

1101
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.800
<v Speaker 2>never having seen Michael Shannon before, and you will be

1102
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking extra floored. You're because it's like, who the fuck

1103
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:27.280
<v Speaker 2>is this guy? Sure he's really good anyway. As part

1104
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:31.519
<v Speaker 2>of delusional parasitosis, there's even a name for the behavior

1105
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Speaker 2>where patients bring specimens to the doctor. Dermatologists called it

1106
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 2>the match box sign, coined by a dermatologist named Alan

1107
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Lyell back in nineteen eighty three, because patients would literally

1108
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.920
<v Speaker 2>show up at appointments carrying little match boxes full of

1109
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 2>what they believed was evidence that they were infected with bugs.

1110
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they had like zip blocks back then.

1111
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they did either, but these people

1112
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:57.199
<v Speaker 2>had match boxes filled with skin flakes and scab materials,

1113
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 2>sometimes just unrelated bugs.

1114
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean that stuff could have just gotten in there.

1115
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Between fifty and eighty percent of patients with delusional infestations

1116
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.599
<v Speaker 2>or delusional parasitosis arrive at the doctor carrying specimens, which

1117
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.840
<v Speaker 2>is exactly what many people who suffer from more gallons

1118
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.639
<v Speaker 2>disease also do. They do bring them these days in

1119
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 2>ziplock bags. Or they bring files full of cell phone

1120
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.519
<v Speaker 2>pictures of what they saw at home, but they bring

1121
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the specimens with them.

1122
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.760
<v Speaker 3>I think they have to because they've just spent fourteen

1123
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 3>hours on forums where I'm sure like every post was

1124
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.880
<v Speaker 3>like nobody believes me. They won't believe you either. Make

1125
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 3>sure you show up with stuff.

1126
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, and Mary LaTaO, to her credit, understood that this

1127
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 2>was kind of the bringing stuff was kind of a

1128
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 2>trap because she told Psychology Today, quote, you think you're

1129
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 2>bringing them evidence, but you're really just shooting yourself in

1130
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the foot because as soon as one of these doctors

1131
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.800
<v Speaker 2>sees you showing up with a zip block bag full

1132
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>of thread saying you pulled out by Yeah. The really

1133
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 2>frustrating thing though, for doc is that delusional parasitosis is

1134
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a very easy as far as you know mental illnesses go,

1135
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty easily treated. Three quarters of patients who are

1136
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>prescribed a mild antipsychotic report that their symptoms disappear completely,

1137
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 2>usually in a short period of time. The problem is

1138
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>that last quarter the problem turn into book Yeah, they

1139
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 2>go full Kafka, wake up, bugged out.

1140
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 3>No.

1141
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Speaker 2>The problem here, though, is that to receive that successful treatment,

1142
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.559
<v Speaker 2>it requires patients to accept that the condition is psychiatric

1143
00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 2>in nature and not biological, and that is the one

1144
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:44.280
<v Speaker 2>thing that more gallon sufferers will absolutely categorically refuse to do, so,

1145
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 2>the thing that could help them, they refuse because they're like,

1146
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not crazy, and the doctor's like, I'm not saying

1147
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you're crazy. I'm just saying, try these.

1148
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 3>Pills and if they work, you might have been crazy. Yeah,

1149
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 3>but you know what, it'll work and you're not going

1150
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 3>to be in pain anymore.

1151
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of more gallon sufferers don't want to

1152
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 2>hear it because they I understand, they don't want to

1153
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 2>be told they're crazy. I think I forget which episode

1154
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 2>it was, but you and I at one point on

1155
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.559
<v Speaker 2>this show talked about chronic pain and how when I

1156
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 2>had my gallbladder, when my gallbladder was really acting up

1157
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>and I was in a ton of pain for days

1158
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>on end, that was when I really understood the idea

1159
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 2>of or how I really understood how frustrating suffering from

1160
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>something that you can't really prove to anybody else's happening

1161
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.119
<v Speaker 2>can be. Because I luckily didn't really need to prove

1162
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 2>to anybody that I was in pain, but you do live.

1163
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:41.960
<v Speaker 2>You're living with this agony and there's nothing If someone

1164
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 2>is if someone questioned me, if I went into the

1165
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.559
<v Speaker 2>doctor and said, hey, doc, I'm just burning up and

1166
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on, if they said no,

1167
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.880
<v Speaker 2>you're not, because I'd like, well, but I am.

1168
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.639
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, but they but they be able to test

1169
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 3>their temperature, and.

1170
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's other things that they can test and and

1171
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.599
<v Speaker 2>and that's part of what happened with more gallons here.

1172
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 2>As more and more and more people claim to have

1173
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:08.440
<v Speaker 2>this disease, more people from the scientific community got invested

1174
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 2>in figuring out what the fuck was really going on here.

1175
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 2>So enter doctor Randy Wymore, an assistant professor of pharmacology

1176
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.719
<v Speaker 2>and physiology at Oklahoma State and a self described quote

1177
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:24.119
<v Speaker 2>glutton for unknowns. He stumbles onto Mary's site and his

1178
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 2>curiosity gets the best of him, and he decides he's

1179
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 2>going to figure this out. His hypothesis is that these

1180
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:32.679
<v Speaker 2>fibers are coming from somewhere prosaic.

1181
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:33.440
<v Speaker 3>From inside the house.

1182
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Fibers are coming from inside the shirt. The problem, he thinks,

1183
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>is that no one's taking it seriously enough to gather

1184
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 2>fibers from the people who are suffering interesting and then

1185
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.800
<v Speaker 2>do a you know, a massive collection of every other

1186
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>fiber they can find in the world and compare them

1187
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>one by one to find a match and go, Okay,

1188
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 2>here's what's going on.

1189
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's a that's cool. I would love to

1190
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 3>see that if they were like, turns out none of

1191
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 3>them are cotton.

1192
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, that summer doctor why More road trips to California

1193
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and does exactly what he says he's gonna do. He

1194
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>pulls fibers off of every fucking thing he sees, car seats,

1195
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 2>clothing on Goodwill racks, medical supplies, sports equipment, not from people,

1196
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 2>well right, not from people.

1197
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.119
<v Speaker 3>He needs to see what to rule out.

1198
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's collecting samples to match against that. He knows

1199
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that there's plenty of self collected samples to compare and

1200
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 2>people have those. People have those. But he goes out

1201
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 2>seeking fibers. So he pulls fibers off of everything, seeking

1202
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>man seeking fibers. He got in a great relationship with

1203
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 2>these fibers. They went to California together.

1204
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Then they broke up. Now he's seeing liquid.

1205
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean kind of, it's kind of where this goes.

1206
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>He's seeing they broke up and he's seeing alcohol because

1207
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.960
<v Speaker 2>he may have ruined his career doing this. But once

1208
00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.760
<v Speaker 2>he collects all of these things, hundreds of Morgellon's samples

1209
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 2>start flooding his lab from desperate patients and medical professionals,

1210
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.320
<v Speaker 2>and as why More starts looking at all of them,

1211
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>his skeptics flips does a complete one eighty because he

1212
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.400
<v Speaker 2>sees that all of these fibers look alike, but they

1213
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 2>don't look like hair or skin cells, or cotton or

1214
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 2>any known textile on the planet. He then teams up

1215
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:13.880
<v Speaker 2>with the Tulsa Police Department's crime lab to run the

1216
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:17.360
<v Speaker 2>test through the database of over eight hundred different fibers. Okay,

1217
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>they match absolutely nothing. And then on February twenty third,

1218
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.039
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six, why More brings Mary and her children,

1219
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.159
<v Speaker 2>who her other kids at this point are reporting suffering

1220
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 2>from similar symptoms as the first kid who started suffering,

1221
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 2>so they all go to Tulsa for a study alongside

1222
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.960
<v Speaker 2>seven other more Gallon's patients and two OSU physicians, Ronda

1223
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Casey and Stephen Eddie start examining the kids and within

1224
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 2>forty five seconds they find fibers lurking beneath completely unbroken

1225
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 2>skin stop it, which all sounds really impressive. I'm impressed

1226
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.920
<v Speaker 2>until you examine these claims a little bit further and

1227
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 2>taking a closer look to examine these claims is exactly

1228
00:59:55.960 --> 00:59:59.039
<v Speaker 2>what brought a man named Mick West into the picture.

1229
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:01.960
<v Speaker 2>First name mickl first name Mike, last name Wes. If

1230
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 2>you roll in conspiracy communities, you probably are familiar with Mick.

1231
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.840
<v Speaker 2>If you don't, a quick introduction, Uh, he's a very

1232
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.280
<v Speaker 2>controversial figure in the skeptical community. He's not controversial to skeptics,

1233
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 2>He's controversial to everyone else, the people whose theories he

1234
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.599
<v Speaker 2>is obsessed with debunking. Oh so, mix a bit of

1235
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:26.000
<v Speaker 2>a curmudgeon, but I do generally appreciate his perspective. He

1236
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Actually he's forever endeared to me because the way he

1237
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 2>got his start or his first job was as a

1238
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.559
<v Speaker 2>video game programmer, and he co founded Never Saw Studios.

1239
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:37.119
<v Speaker 3>What do they do?

1240
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Tony Hawk's pro Skater?

1241
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh wow?

1242
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Mick West was the technical director on Tony Hawk's pro Skater.

1243
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:48.199
<v Speaker 2>He helped program the skating, physics and everything. He left

1244
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 2>the video game industry a very rich man in two

1245
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:52.719
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three, and these days make his better known

1246
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.840
<v Speaker 2>as the founder of skeptic website metabunk, and he is

1247
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.119
<v Speaker 2>one of the leading skeptics of the UAP phenomenon. I

1248
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 2>will say I think he is a very good skeptic.

1249
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:04.599
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem like he'd be particularly fun at parties.

1250
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:06.559
<v Speaker 3>No, he's always blasting Goldfinger.

1251
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.480
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I can't stop listening to it. No, he's

1252
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 2>just he's a very kind of somber, serious man. But

1253
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.719
<v Speaker 2>he does make really compelling cases in his skeptical arguments,

1254
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:21.400
<v Speaker 2>often backed up by software that he himself has developed

1255
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to take UAP video and analyze the flight patterns, atmospheric

1256
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 2>distortions the sky, what was going on, you know, everything.

1257
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:32.800
<v Speaker 2>So he's become a bit of an enemy of the

1258
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.360
<v Speaker 2>of the UAP community. But anyway, he enters the picture

1259
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 2>here because in two thousand and six he began his

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01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:44.039
<v Speaker 2>first major skepticism campaign, targeted at the bunk science surrounding Morgellons.

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<v Speaker 2>He founded Morgellan's Watch, a direct answer to the Morgellen's

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01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Research Foundation, and the findings that he turned up around

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Wymore's study are really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>After Wymore is a guy who's driving around pick fucking fibers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, First, West points out that the scope was

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01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 2>tiny and informal. The Tulsa PD ultimately only tested four fibers,

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01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 2>two red and two blue, and, as micclarified in his

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01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 2>original articles on this, what they compared it to was

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01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.639
<v Speaker 2>an eight hundred fiber database, not a one hundred thousand

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01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.880
<v Speaker 2>fiber FBI database, as some reports erroneously suggested.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, a police.

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01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Forensics lab is also designed to match crime scene fibers

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01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:30.800
<v Speaker 2>to known textiles, and it's not equipped to identify every

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01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 2>biological material on Earth. So no match in our database

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01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean this isn't from clothing. It means we don't

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01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:38.679
<v Speaker 2>happen on our database.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, why more? And this one gets me. I don't

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01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:46.039
<v Speaker 2>know why anybody who is investigating something that is really

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01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:50.079
<v Speaker 2>hard to believe and truly has an interest in solving

1281
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the mystery does this. But a lot of them do.

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01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.320
<v Speaker 3>He never published any of his findings in a peer

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01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 3>reviewed paper. Why not? I know, I know it's why

1284
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.320
<v Speaker 3>you just said that saying it, but I'm saying, like, yeah,

1285
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 3>question fucking do it?

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01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 2>If you have this happens with alien implants a lot.

1287
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 2>If you have physical evidence of something that is undeniably strange.

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01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.679
<v Speaker 2>It is beyond me how any well meaning man of

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01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:19.280
<v Speaker 2>science or woman of science doesn't send those samples out

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01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.079
<v Speaker 2>in the world going, please figure out what this is.

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01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:23.440
<v Speaker 3>It's weird. Seen.

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01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 2>It's weird to me that you wouldn't want that unless

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01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.840
<v Speaker 2>what you really care about is another lab proving you

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01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>right and not another lab proving you wrong.

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01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.840
<v Speaker 3>But I've seen enough movies and TV shows where it's like,

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01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't give this alien finger I found to the

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01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:41.760
<v Speaker 3>lab because the men in black will take it, or

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01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 3>if I try and show it, if I publish my material,

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01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:45.800
<v Speaker 3>they'll come and take me away.

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<v Speaker 2>Well in this case, though, you know, in the in

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01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the early days of Morgellon's study, I don't think this

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01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 2>was registering on the level of alien finger. It was

1303
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing, but nobody at this point was being

1304
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 2>particular early conspiratorial about it. It was a disease I

1305
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.079
<v Speaker 2>saw in some of the research that part of another

1306
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.519
<v Speaker 2>thing that kind of fanned the flames here is you

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01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:10.400
<v Speaker 2>were talking about fibromyalgia earlier.

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01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well I know some people who have it,

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01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.039
<v Speaker 3>and it's like that's another difficult thing where they've seen

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01:04:14.079 --> 01:04:15.559
<v Speaker 3>a lot of doctors.

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01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and the lot of pain. The medical community had

1312
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:26.639
<v Speaker 2>really just recognized fibromyalgia relatively soon before this Morgallon stuff started.

1313
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.480
<v Speaker 2>So there was a recent example of a case with

1314
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.360
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people saying that they had these weird

1315
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 2>symptoms that no one could explain, and they were able

1316
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.800
<v Speaker 2>to define it. So, especially at this point, some of

1317
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:38.679
<v Speaker 2>these people were seen a little bit as kooks, but

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01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't out of the question that there was something

1319
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 2>real going on here. Anyway. I think it's ridiculous that

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01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:47.039
<v Speaker 2>you would not submit to peeroview papers. And it is

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01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a big red flag. As for the discovery of those

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01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:55.119
<v Speaker 2>fibers in forty five seconds beneath the skin. Dermatologists Noah

1323
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Craft at Harvard UCLA, who has actually biopsied Morgellon's patients

1324
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.239
<v Speaker 2>skin okay, meaning he's like taken flesh and skin samples

1325
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:06.880
<v Speaker 2>and not just felt for fibers beneath the skin. And

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01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it's weird to me too that they bragged that they

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01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 2>found them in forty five seconds. That seems like a really.

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01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.760
<v Speaker 3>You think they just mean that, like they're so prevalent.

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01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.199
<v Speaker 2>That they found them. Yeah, it didn't take us long

1330
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to find a fiber. It sounds like they just didn't

1331
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.599
<v Speaker 2>look very hard and said that might be a bump.

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01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.440
<v Speaker 2>That's a fiber. I think that's a fiber, is what that? Yes?

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01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Sure, and the guy with the stopwatch is like, and

1334
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:27.960
<v Speaker 3>that's a new record.

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01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh you guys did it faster than anybody this. Doctor

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01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Noah Kraft says that in his biopsies he has never

1337
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.639
<v Speaker 2>seen anything to suggest that Morgellons is a real condition

1338
01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that it is a biological in nature.

1339
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.599
<v Speaker 2>In fact, the only place Kraft says he has ever

1340
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.800
<v Speaker 2>seen evidence of all of these fibers are the photos

1341
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.320
<v Speaker 2>on the Morgallan's Research Foundation website, and to his eyes,

1342
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:55.039
<v Speaker 2>they look like fibers and fabric and on occasion collagen

1343
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:58.400
<v Speaker 2>fibers from within the skin. In the biopsies I have taken,

1344
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.280
<v Speaker 2>he says, there appears to be only normal skin and inflammation,

1345
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:03.440
<v Speaker 2>as one would find in a bump that has been

1346
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:07.880
<v Speaker 2>picked at. Another doctor, Jeff Meffert, goes one further. This

1347
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:12.480
<v Speaker 2>fiber's business, he says, as presented by the fiber disease community,

1348
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 2>is nonsense. They have not convinced me, and quite honestly,

1349
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:19.159
<v Speaker 2>they have pissed me off. Oh my God, the only

1350
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.079
<v Speaker 2>fibers he's ever seen, he says, are consistent with animal hair,

1351
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 2>human hair, or textile fibers. And he also says that

1352
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I saw fibers this quote from an article. I saw

1353
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.519
<v Speaker 2>fibers stuck to the eximus scalb of everyone I saw today.

1354
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Every patient with oozing, weeping skin has fibers stuck to

1355
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.440
<v Speaker 2>their skin. In other words, the skeptical community basically sees

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01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:43.280
<v Speaker 2>more Gallons as a particularly bad case of delusional parasitosis

1357
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that traps its victims in that cycle of itch. Pick scratch,

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01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 2>find the fiber.

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01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:52.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm not crazy, I'm not taking the pills. Yeah.

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01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Pick more, Yeah, gets worse, gets worse, gets worse. I

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01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.519
<v Speaker 2>will also say, in my research here, I did have

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01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 2>trouble pinning down where some of these fibers went. How

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01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.559
<v Speaker 2>many fibers have been collected, how many are available for

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01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.519
<v Speaker 2>public study? Because it seems like thousands and thousands and

1365
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 2>thousands and thousands of photos of these fibers have been

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01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:18.559
<v Speaker 2>submitted to all kinds of different mor Gallons groups across

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01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:22.079
<v Speaker 2>the internet. Yeah, but it doesn't. It does seem to

1368
01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:26.360
<v Speaker 2>me that people have been collecting fibers, and some of them.

1369
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:27.519
<v Speaker 3>For seventy years.

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It seems like some of the fibers that people are

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01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.960
<v Speaker 2>saying are more gallons do seem to be weirder than others,

1372
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and I had trouble. I think part of the reason

1373
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I had trouble is because some of this is so

1374
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.519
<v Speaker 2>easily and readily dismissed that you're basically either reading a

1375
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.880
<v Speaker 2>mor Gallons fan page that says, look at all this

1376
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:50.480
<v Speaker 2>shit that's one hundred percent real, or you're reading a

1377
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.280
<v Speaker 2>medical study that's like, these people are delusional and we

1378
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 2>really have no interest in talking to them. So the

1379
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 2>reality I think of, I allow for a little bit

1380
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of some of these fibers might be really weird, and

1381
01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I think there may be a little bit of some

1382
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:07.400
<v Speaker 2>of this getting lost in the cracks. I don't know.

1383
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't We'll talk more about whether or not more

1384
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:11.400
<v Speaker 2>Gallons is actually real in a bit, But it was

1385
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>frustrating for me to not be able to find a

1386
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.000
<v Speaker 2>straight answer to Okay, that person who said they had

1387
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 2>this disease said they collected hundreds of fibers. Where did

1388
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.119
<v Speaker 2>those fibers go? Did a doctor ever see them? Or

1389
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:25.920
<v Speaker 2>did they just claim to have those fibers? There's a

1390
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:26.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of that going on.

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01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I think what's I think it's within the realm of

1392
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.920
<v Speaker 3>possibilities to just get a little place together that collects

1393
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Speaker 3>all the fibers.

1394
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what the more Gallons Research Foundation was supposed to.

1395
01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like collect them now, don't don't send me

1396
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.960
<v Speaker 3>a picture of your shoe box, right like you right, hairs.

1397
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:43.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean like, hey, everybody gets to send in five

1398
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:48.359
<v Speaker 3>and and well, we have an ever growing that. You know,

1399
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:51.439
<v Speaker 3>we've made a deal with the FBI that we have

1400
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.479
<v Speaker 3>access the API to their fucking database. Yeah, and you

1401
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:57.760
<v Speaker 3>bring sense something in and we send you back. The

1402
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.800
<v Speaker 3>problem with that is nobody wants the responsibility. Nobody wants

1403
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:04.119
<v Speaker 3>to get them and then be like, hey, I got

1404
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:07.439
<v Speaker 3>a rejection letters, especially like oh shit, they sent it

1405
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:08.760
<v Speaker 3>back and said it was my carpet.

1406
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.920
<v Speaker 2>That's sort of on some level, finding someone to take

1407
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:15.920
<v Speaker 2>responsibility for this research is sort of what happened next,

1408
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:18.560
<v Speaker 2>because according to jazzabel Quote, it was through the more

1409
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Gallon's Research Foundation website and the many sites that spawned

1410
01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:25.760
<v Speaker 2>that Morgellon's patients decided to launch a letter writing campaign.

1411
01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 2>They flooded the mailboxes of nearly every member of Congress

1412
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.279
<v Speaker 2>with a persuasive case that sounded a lot like fibromyalgia.

1413
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Thousands of Americans, a disproportionate number of them women, recounting

1414
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 2>an excruciating, strange pain and their reality, they said, had

1415
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.079
<v Speaker 2>been dismissed by physicians who told them there was either

1416
01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.920
<v Speaker 2>nothing physically wrong or the source of their pain was

1417
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:50.239
<v Speaker 2>common scabies or some other skin infection. There was so

1418
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:55.079
<v Speaker 2>much mail that senators of no less star power than

1419
01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Hillary Clinton and John McCain and Barack Obama decided to

1420
01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>take the disease seriously and they pushed the CDC to

1421
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:02.680
<v Speaker 2>issue a study.

1422
01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:04.600
<v Speaker 3>We got to get some of this in the vaccine.

1423
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, guys, in about fifteen years, we've got something

1424
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.279
<v Speaker 2>big coming down to fight. We gotta get this shit

1425
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:14.039
<v Speaker 2>in there. Well, it was a little unusual for them

1426
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:16.279
<v Speaker 2>to ask the CDC to issue this study because the

1427
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.399
<v Speaker 2>CDC only studies infectious diseases, and there was really no

1428
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:21.920
<v Speaker 2>evidence that this was an infectious disease of any kind.

1429
01:10:22.000 --> 01:10:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, one was like, my baby went to daycare

1430
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.319
<v Speaker 3>and they came back also with hairs.

1431
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and every baby at the daycare started sprouting hairs.

1432
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:33.800
<v Speaker 2>So the CDC pulled a great little government docy doe

1433
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.239
<v Speaker 2>and they funneled somewhere in the neighborhood of six hundred

1434
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.359
<v Speaker 2>thousand tax dollars to Kaiser Permanente and ask them to.

1435
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Do the research. California places it is.

1436
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And part of the reason Kaiser Permanente was chosen is

1437
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.000
<v Speaker 2>because there was a large concentration of cases of Morgallons

1438
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:54.960
<v Speaker 2>being reported out of northern California. So shit, that was

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01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.560
<v Speaker 2>part of why Kaiser was chosen, because they had easy

1440
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.880
<v Speaker 2>access to the medical records of this group of people.

1441
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:02.840
<v Speaker 3>And if they have access to the medical records of

1442
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.199
<v Speaker 3>the state, yes, forty million people versus any other state.

1443
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:09.439
<v Speaker 2>So Kaiser searched the electronic health records of the people

1444
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 2>that they covered to identify clinic visits with certain keywords

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01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:20.159
<v Speaker 2>like Morgellons obviously, fiber thread, fuzzball, dots, specs, granules, and delusion.

1446
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Recorded in the case notes the statement I brought it

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01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:25.680
<v Speaker 2>with me, Yeah, it's right here.

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01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:26.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1449
01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 2>This search pulled down one hundred and fifteen case patients,

1450
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.399
<v Speaker 2>one hundred of whom agreed to answer survey questions and

1451
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:37.800
<v Speaker 2>forty consented to physical and psychological testing. Fibers were collected

1452
01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:42.279
<v Speaker 2>for analysis and sent to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.

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01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:46.680
<v Speaker 2>The study was reviewed and approved by the institutional review

1454
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:50.560
<v Speaker 2>boards at the CDC, at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology,

1455
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and at the University of Rochester. It took four years

1456
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:56.439
<v Speaker 2>from the beginning of this study in two thousand and

1457
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.039
<v Speaker 2>eight to its publication in twenty twelve and ed but

1458
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 2>what do you think the CDC found, in fact that.

1459
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.880
<v Speaker 3>We're not talking about more Gallon's regularly tells me. They

1460
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe said this was a maybe not a great use

1461
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:08.520
<v Speaker 3>of our money.

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01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.000
<v Speaker 2>They did not discover a biological cause for this disease.

1463
01:12:13.279 --> 01:12:16.640
<v Speaker 2>They did find that most of the fibers collected from

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01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:23.119
<v Speaker 2>participant skin were composed of cellulose aka cotton fibers.

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01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:26.119
<v Speaker 3>But you said six hundred grand, six hundred grand, which

1466
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:31.520
<v Speaker 3>is really much. People spend six hundred grand a day

1467
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:35.479
<v Speaker 3>in like pharmaceuticals to figure something like to do nothing

1468
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.520
<v Speaker 3>probable party.

1469
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Well probably this was more money back then, But yes,

1470
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 2>not a huge amount of money. But still on the

1471
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:48.039
<v Speaker 2>biopsy side, because they collected biopsies, things weren't looking any

1472
01:12:48.079 --> 01:12:52.119
<v Speaker 2>more convincing. The most common abnormality present in fifty one

1473
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:57.319
<v Speaker 2>percent of biopsies was something called solar ilestosis, which sounded

1474
01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:59.760
<v Speaker 2>very mysterious to me, so I googled it and it

1475
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:02.079
<v Speaker 2>just basically means skin damage from the sun.

1476
01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1477
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Lesions were most consistent with arthropod bites, so scabies or

1478
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:11.239
<v Speaker 2>ticks or whatever, fleas or chronic excortiations meaning just lots

1479
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>of scratching. No parasites or mycobacteria were ever detected. Mark Eberhard,

1480
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the director of the CDC's Division of Parasitic Diseases, tried

1481
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.840
<v Speaker 2>to soften the blow to the demanding public by saying, quote,

1482
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.239
<v Speaker 2>it's a negative, but it really limits and narrows down

1483
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:30.159
<v Speaker 2>the field of possibilities by removing a couple of the

1484
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.680
<v Speaker 2>big players infections and environment, that still leaves some wide

1485
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:37.000
<v Speaker 2>open territory about what could be the causes. He also

1486
01:13:37.079 --> 01:13:39.920
<v Speaker 2>stressed the studies should not be interpreted to conclude that

1487
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.079
<v Speaker 2>the problem is all in the sufferer's heads.

1488
01:13:42.159 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they're just saying that it's not the stuff we

1489
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:44.600
<v Speaker 3>do here.

1490
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and he says this study should be a baseline

1491
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:48.880
<v Speaker 2>for future research.

1492
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.840
<v Speaker 3>Now, there was really very little.

1493
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Future research ever done because most of the scientific community

1494
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:59.319
<v Speaker 2>took this to mean exactly what market not to mean yeah,

1495
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and to be There are critics of this study. It

1496
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't perfect. Some people have pointed out that drawing participants

1497
01:14:06.000 --> 01:14:10.439
<v Speaker 2>from that single geographic area in northern California really limited

1498
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the ability to have a diverse group of people that

1499
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:18.119
<v Speaker 2>you were studying. It's a small sample size. Some of

1500
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the language in the paper they thought felt dismissive. But

1501
01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:26.680
<v Speaker 2>in terms of the methodology on display here biopsies, spectroscopies,

1502
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:31.199
<v Speaker 2>forensic fiber analysis, and psychiatric evaluations, this was the most

1503
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.960
<v Speaker 2>rigorous investigation of Morgallons ever conducted to this day, nothing

1504
01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:44.560
<v Speaker 2>else has ever really come close. But of course that

1505
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:49.239
<v Speaker 2>answer didn't satisfy people suffering from more gallons, and unfortunately,

1506
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:53.439
<v Speaker 2>once science put more gallons down, conspiracy theorists picked it

1507
01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.159
<v Speaker 2>right back up.

1508
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:55.760
<v Speaker 3>That tends to be the case.

1509
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Tends to be what happens. And here's where things get

1510
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:01.119
<v Speaker 2>really fun, because everything we've talked about has been grounded

1511
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:03.760
<v Speaker 2>in either real science or real suffering.

1512
01:15:04.079 --> 01:15:06.000
<v Speaker 3>But once the CDC pissed off.

1513
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:10.359
<v Speaker 2>The entire Morgallons community, real went out the window, and

1514
01:15:10.399 --> 01:15:13.880
<v Speaker 2>the CDC became part of a widespread government conspiracy to

1515
01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:16.399
<v Speaker 2>cover up the truth about more gallons.

1516
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. At this point there could just be

1517
01:15:18.159 --> 01:15:21.760
<v Speaker 3>like get in line like everybody at this point. For conspiracies,

1518
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:23.439
<v Speaker 3>lets turned the CDC. You might as well be called

1519
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Conspiracy Department Central.

1520
01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:29.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, never the CDC in the central department.

1521
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:31.640
<v Speaker 2>FEMA is the other one that's always being pegged, is

1522
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:32.920
<v Speaker 2>like they're opening the camps.

1523
01:15:33.079 --> 01:15:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, I literally haven't even figured out the

1524
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:37.920
<v Speaker 3>acronym that I'm trying to make. You throw a FEMA

1525
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:41.359
<v Speaker 3>in your face, in my face, So I think Central

1526
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Department for.

1527
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Conspiracies, it is pretty good.

1528
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.760
<v Speaker 3>And pretty good, and then FEMA would have to be

1529
01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:50.760
<v Speaker 3>fake emergency. Emergency is really emergency. Okay, well then what's

1530
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:57.000
<v Speaker 3>what's your skin called? Epidurus, epidurro fake epidural manipulated or

1531
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:02.520
<v Speaker 3>mind disease? E wait a FIMA. I don't know, it's

1532
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 3>hard to do in real time.

1533
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you what you can. You can go back

1534
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you can kind of drop something in later

1535
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:12.119
<v Speaker 2>it'll sound bite time. So the truth about Morgellans, the

1536
01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:16.520
<v Speaker 2>capital T truth about Morgellons depends you ask what that

1537
01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:20.079
<v Speaker 2>truth is. I really want to know what Mary le

1538
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Tao thinks. The woman who started all of this. Can

1539
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.479
<v Speaker 2>you recall, Well, I would, But after the CDC study

1540
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 2>came out, she shut down the Morgallan's Research Foundation and

1541
01:16:29.279 --> 01:16:32.760
<v Speaker 2>disappeared from public life entirely. As of this recording, she

1542
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.960
<v Speaker 2>hasn't given an interview or made a public statement in

1543
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:35.760
<v Speaker 2>more than a decade.

1544
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.399
<v Speaker 3>This is our chance she just vanished. Well, no one knows.

1545
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:40.079
<v Speaker 2>No one has been able to find her.

1546
01:16:40.359 --> 01:16:42.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, you keep telling me that all the stuff I

1547
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:44.239
<v Speaker 3>read about missing scientists right now is bullshit.

1548
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's bullshit. I just think connecting. We're

1549
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.359
<v Speaker 2>recording this in the middle of the time period where

1550
01:16:51.399 --> 01:16:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a couple of scientists related to strange physics experiments went

1551
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:57.159
<v Speaker 2>missing in the United States. So that's what Ed's referring to.

1552
01:16:57.199 --> 01:16:58.920
<v Speaker 2>If you're listening to this five or ten years in

1553
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the future, and if those people and Mary Lttou came back.

1554
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:03.520
<v Speaker 3>They're all on the show.

1555
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:04.199
<v Speaker 2>They're all on this.

1556
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.520
<v Speaker 3>We got to ask them where they went? Was another dimension? Yeah?

1557
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:10.239
<v Speaker 2>No, Mary lettaw just apparently her and her whole family vanished.

1558
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 2>The woman who named the disease, who built the movement,

1559
01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:16.239
<v Speaker 2>lobbied Congress, got them to spend hundreds of thousand dollars.

1560
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna wear photos of her and stuff like she

1561
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.560
<v Speaker 2>was a real person. He's a real person, you see,

1562
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like a mirage men situation. No, it's not a mirage

1563
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.039
<v Speaker 2>men situation. But it does seem like she heard the

1564
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.600
<v Speaker 2>answer that this isn't real and for some reason walked away.

1565
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.319
<v Speaker 2>I would like to give her the credit that maybe

1566
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:33.239
<v Speaker 2>she realized she'd really stepped in it and got mega

1567
01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed and just decided to dip. But if that's the case,

1568
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:38.479
<v Speaker 2>it would have also been nice for her to issue

1569
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:41.079
<v Speaker 2>some kind of a statement or something to be like, hey.

1570
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:45.479
<v Speaker 3>My bad, or even just any statement, whether it's my bad,

1571
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:48.760
<v Speaker 3>I've seen the air, or my ways, or even another

1572
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:51.840
<v Speaker 3>statement that's like, will never stop fighting, but I need

1573
01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.399
<v Speaker 3>for me my family to take some space from something

1574
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 3>that I'm very passionate about. But this latest blow has

1575
01:17:57.439 --> 01:17:59.800
<v Speaker 3>been difficult on all of us, and we need to

1576
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:03.920
<v Speaker 3>to a minute fucking being bloped sixty nine on the forum.

1577
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.880
<v Speaker 3>We'll step up as lead moderator and to do with

1578
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 3>this company, which you please. But that was a really

1579
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 3>good apology. It's something like that, not an apology, but

1580
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:13.680
<v Speaker 3>just like do.

1581
01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 2>You write an emergency pr in your head a lot. No,

1582
01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:18.119
<v Speaker 2>that came right out.

1583
01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:20.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know, but I'm saying like, those are

1584
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:21.960
<v Speaker 3>two ways she could have stepped away gracefully.

1585
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what are we bracing for?

1586
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:23.359
<v Speaker 3>It?

1587
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:26.319
<v Speaker 2>The podcast here, and I'd just like to say for

1588
01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:28.319
<v Speaker 2>my family and my friends.

1589
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:30.199
<v Speaker 3>There are also.

1590
01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Many rumors and accusations of financial improprieties taken with the

1591
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:38.119
<v Speaker 2>funds that she raised through the MRF. So alternate theory,

1592
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.319
<v Speaker 2>she's a criminal and started a scam and got away

1593
01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:41.640
<v Speaker 2>with it.

1594
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:44.560
<v Speaker 3>I feel that way about anything. I want all charities

1595
01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:47.479
<v Speaker 3>to be squeaky clean. I want all five oh one

1596
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.960
<v Speaker 3>c's or whatever. But it's like, yeah, there's money coming

1597
01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.039
<v Speaker 3>in until someone's taking it somewhere. You know, she.

1598
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Didn't pass the MRF the more Gallon's Research Foundation. She

1599
01:18:57.479 --> 01:19:00.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't pass it down to anyone in her absence. It's

1600
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:03.079
<v Speaker 2>a little unclear exactly what happened and who took it over.

1601
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:06.239
<v Speaker 2>But if you try to go to the Morgallons Research Foundation,

1602
01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:09.640
<v Speaker 2>it now directs to Morgellons dot org and the.

1603
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:11.520
<v Speaker 3>First multi level Marketing Scheme.

1604
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:14.920
<v Speaker 2>The first thing you'll notice is the fact that the organization,

1605
01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>or what's left of it has to come to the

1606
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 2>most yogurt brained conspiracy minded people on.

1607
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.199
<v Speaker 3>The planet, because yogurt brain.

1608
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:24.439
<v Speaker 2>Just mush brained, no thoughts.

1609
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:26.880
<v Speaker 3>That's not a fault of their own. They scratched until

1610
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:27.840
<v Speaker 3>their skull opened.

1611
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:31.640
<v Speaker 2>That's what happens when you have skull itch. The thing

1612
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.479
<v Speaker 2>that tipped me off to the fact that they chose

1613
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:37.359
<v Speaker 2>a path here is that one of the headlines across

1614
01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:41.479
<v Speaker 2>the top of the page screams keemtrails and Morgellons. It's

1615
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:45.119
<v Speaker 2>worse than you thought. The writer of this urgent article

1616
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:48.479
<v Speaker 2>describes the way that they've been tracking the appearance of

1617
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:52.159
<v Speaker 2>keemtrails over their town and what they discovered in local

1618
01:19:52.239 --> 01:19:55.840
<v Speaker 2>water sources that they believe fell from these chemtrails, which

1619
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>is apparently some kind of fibers that they believe are

1620
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:04.159
<v Speaker 2>hied to more gallons. I can send you the photos

1621
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:05.800
<v Speaker 2>from this article. If you want to put any of

1622
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:08.119
<v Speaker 2>them up on screen, you can, but they basically just

1623
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.760
<v Speaker 2>look like fibers under a microscope. Most of the audience

1624
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:14.439
<v Speaker 2>can probably imagine what that looks like. The quotes here

1625
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:19.560
<v Speaker 2>are wild. I couldn't really make head tail, heads or

1626
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.319
<v Speaker 2>tails of what exactly this person's arguing, But I will

1627
01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.119
<v Speaker 2>quote them at length here because maybe someone in the

1628
01:20:26.159 --> 01:20:29.039
<v Speaker 2>audience knows what they're saying or ed maybe you can decipher.

1629
01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:33.920
<v Speaker 2>So this person explains their little science experiment. Thusly quote

1630
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the alkalizing of water and any water based air breathing

1631
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:42.359
<v Speaker 2>organism allows for increased storage and even the creation of

1632
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:43.239
<v Speaker 2>DC current.

1633
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:45.640
<v Speaker 3>What's alkaliz what does that mean.

1634
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:46.840
<v Speaker 2>To alkalize water?

1635
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Can't you like buy alkaline water or something like that?

1636
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's see. I don't actually know. I know people

1637
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>like drinking alkaline water.

1638
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:56.840
<v Speaker 3>At the beginning of what you started, that sentence makes

1639
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:58.359
<v Speaker 3>it think like you shouldn't drink that water.

1640
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.399
<v Speaker 2>It's a water with a higher pH level than regular

1641
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:05.880
<v Speaker 2>tap water, achieved by adding minerals or using electrolysis to

1642
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:10.000
<v Speaker 2>reduce acid, used for potential health benefits like enhancing hydration,

1643
01:21:10.199 --> 01:21:13.199
<v Speaker 2>relieving acid reflux, and improving metabolic acidosis.

1644
01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.159
<v Speaker 3>And that's different than just having a gatorade.

1645
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, I believe that is different than that.

1646
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:19.479
<v Speaker 3>It's not just like electro lights or whatever. No, I don't.

1647
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's electrolytes. They use electrolysis to reduce acid.

1648
01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think electro lights have anything.

1649
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:26.840
<v Speaker 3>To do with that, right, So.

1650
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:30.399
<v Speaker 2>This person is saying that when you alkalize water, any

1651
01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:35.479
<v Speaker 2>water based air breathing organism allows for increased storage and

1652
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the creation of DC current, especially when mixed with other

1653
01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:43.359
<v Speaker 2>components slash chemicals. I proved this in myself with only

1654
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:47.399
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good digital voltmeter, so another eight dollars RadioShack special.

1655
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess I measure my voltage constantly by just wetting

1656
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:53.479
<v Speaker 2>my fingers and squeezing the probes.

1657
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 3>In the matrix. I think there's probably electric occurrence going

1658
01:21:58.039 --> 01:21:59.119
<v Speaker 3>through us. We are batteries.

1659
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I started looking at the collected water with an old

1660
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>microscope in early April by drying about thirty drops on

1661
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:08.159
<v Speaker 2>a microscope slide, and saw immediately what appeared to be

1662
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.479
<v Speaker 2>what I'd seen coming from Morgellons patients on the web.

1663
01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I really had thought the story was a hoax, quite frankly,

1664
01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:16.279
<v Speaker 2>but now I know otherwise.

1665
01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I started to.

1666
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Look at all my samples and found dozens of these fibers.

1667
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Confirmation of what these fibers were came when a quote

1668
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:27.319
<v Speaker 2>golden head nanosensor was isolated. I don't know what that is.

1669
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:28.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure it's real.

1670
01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>This confirmation was quite the shock because I knew then

1671
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:34.279
<v Speaker 2>all of us in the White Mountains at least were

1672
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:39.199
<v Speaker 2>all being infected with this bizarre nano affliction infestation infection.

1673
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.119
<v Speaker 3>The White Mountains where they live. They live in the West.

1674
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Ros Jesus, why the voltage thing is so important? I've

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01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.359
<v Speaker 2>observed in my jars that were electualized that the growth

1676
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:53.520
<v Speaker 2>of what I've learned or called quote synthetic model organisms

1677
01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:57.039
<v Speaker 2>or artificial life forms is greatly enhanced and increased. The

1678
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.479
<v Speaker 2>fibers they call morgellons increase in about six months to

1679
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:04.199
<v Speaker 2>almost visible with the naked eye or magnifying glass. One

1680
01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>such clump of fibers has gone from a dozen microscopic

1681
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:10.159
<v Speaker 2>fibers to about one hundred or so and can easily

1682
01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>be extracted by tweezers.

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01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Which they're saying if they put it in alkaline water,

1684
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:17.920
<v Speaker 3>it grows and becomes a greater number and apparently yes, okay.

1685
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:21.479
<v Speaker 2>One plausible explanation of how the flat ribbon plausible aed

1686
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.920
<v Speaker 2>One plausible explanation I'm ready for it for how the

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01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.960
<v Speaker 2>flat ribbon like fibers seem to grow even on glass,

1688
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.880
<v Speaker 2>is that these synthetic model organisms can assemble plastic components

1689
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:34.399
<v Speaker 2>from the air, water, or wherever present, and use DC

1690
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.359
<v Speaker 2>current as part of their assembly technique, or they are

1691
01:23:38.399 --> 01:23:42.079
<v Speaker 2>feeding off the silicone in the glass or both.

1692
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.680
<v Speaker 3>Right, the first one. It's been proven forever chemicals floating around.

1693
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.359
<v Speaker 2>It's been proven that plants extract most of their mineral

1694
01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:51.880
<v Speaker 2>content from the air, not the soil, as as was

1695
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:55.960
<v Speaker 2>once believed. Nanotech is designed to mimic the things that

1696
01:23:56.000 --> 01:23:59.720
<v Speaker 2>man has discovered about how nature works, assembles itself, et cetera.

1697
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>They're saying that more gallons is like nanotechnology.

1698
01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:06.239
<v Speaker 2>They're saying that Morgallons is some sort of a nanotechnology

1699
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>that uses DC current and silicone in the glass or

1700
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:15.319
<v Speaker 2>both to grow once it's dropped on the populace from chemtrails.

1701
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and the best we've well, I guess only six

1702
01:24:18.199 --> 01:24:20.119
<v Speaker 3>hundred grand went into one of these studies. But and

1703
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:23.439
<v Speaker 3>the best we can do is make hair. Apparently we

1704
01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:25.439
<v Speaker 3>have the ability to do nanotechnology. And the best you

1705
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:27.159
<v Speaker 3>can do is assemble itself like hair.

1706
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Erector set itchy hair, itchy hair, if it gets even

1707
01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:34.560
<v Speaker 2>get hair. There's another section though, on the website called

1708
01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Revelations from a Man who helped design Morgallon's disease. That

1709
01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>features a link to two different videos which unfortunately have

1710
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:44.760
<v Speaker 2>been taken down off the Internet.

1711
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Because they were just viruses they may.

1712
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Have been, and the following description. These two videos are

1713
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:54.199
<v Speaker 2>well done and well researched by Clifford Carnacom and doctor

1714
01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Gwen Scott. They are perhaps the two of the most

1715
01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:00.680
<v Speaker 2>important videos ever to be made. If you have not

1716
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.640
<v Speaker 2>viewed these videos, you need to do at asap. These

1717
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:07.279
<v Speaker 2>videos are not casual entertainment. They are about all of us,

1718
01:25:07.720 --> 01:25:09.880
<v Speaker 2>not just a few people with a weird disease called

1719
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.279
<v Speaker 2>called Morgellons, but about all of us. This information personally

1720
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>affects every person you love and care about. It is

1721
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>about your grandchildren, your family, pet, your loved ones, and

1722
01:25:19.039 --> 01:25:21.520
<v Speaker 2>even people down the street that you don't care about.

1723
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:24.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is I made a joke about forever

1724
01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:26.199
<v Speaker 3>chemicals earlier, but I think we should be making videos

1725
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:27.399
<v Speaker 3>like this about forever chemicals.

1726
01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1727
01:25:27.920 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Probably, I'm sure somebody is. Yeah, So we don't have

1728
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>the videos, unfortunately, because I really wanted to watch them

1729
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:36.920
<v Speaker 2>because they were too filled the truth. I think they

1730
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.399
<v Speaker 2>were taken down by the truth police. But what doctor

1731
01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Scott says on camera in reference to meeting this man

1732
01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:47.079
<v Speaker 2>who claims to have designed Morgallons. Is transcribed on the website,

1733
01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>and so we do know that this is part of

1734
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>what doctor Scott said. He being the guy who designed Morgallons,

1735
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:55.520
<v Speaker 2>explained to me something that I knew that I had

1736
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of forgotten. Every organ in your body has a

1737
01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.960
<v Speaker 2>specific frequence, and it operates that frequency, and even when

1738
01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you interrupt that frequency electromagnetically, you can create all kinds

1739
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.359
<v Speaker 2>of serious, even unto death problem.

1740
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:10.199
<v Speaker 3>Is that true.

1741
01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1742
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:12.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I didn't I didn't realize what it held,

1743
01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:14.159
<v Speaker 3>Like a magnet up to you. You can make your

1744
01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:14.960
<v Speaker 3>arm move or something.

1745
01:26:15.000 --> 01:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>He also talked about areas of the brain and mind control,

1746
01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:22.319
<v Speaker 2>and as Orewellian as that may seem apparently scientifically, it

1747
01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is very real. We know from Clifford's work for years

1748
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:29.319
<v Speaker 2>now the big red Dog no Clifford Corners covered in hair,

1749
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Clifford Carnacom, the other researcher involved here. We know from

1750
01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Clifford's work for years now the electromagnetic properties of what's

1751
01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:39.079
<v Speaker 2>happening in our air supply as a result of the

1752
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:44.159
<v Speaker 2>manipulation and the manipulation of that. Beyond that, he the

1753
01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>inventor of Morgellons, talked about then confirmed to me the

1754
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:51.159
<v Speaker 2>heavy metals, the barium, the titanium, the aluminum, none of which,

1755
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>trust me, are good for the human.

1756
01:26:53.279 --> 01:26:54.800
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm always saying.

1757
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:58.159
<v Speaker 2>He talked about the biological He said all of it

1758
01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:01.119
<v Speaker 2>had been altered. Some of it, and Clifford had alluded

1759
01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:04.199
<v Speaker 2>to earlier in the video can kind of escape your

1760
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>immune system and cloak itself in one form or another. Again,

1761
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:11.880
<v Speaker 2>he spoke of the electromagnetics and also the lack of oxygen,

1762
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 2>the displacement of oxygen. The more you displace oxygen out

1763
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.920
<v Speaker 2>of the air supply with particulates in parentheses, it could

1764
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>be corn flakes, it doesn't matter, the mortality rate goes up. Concurrently,

1765
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>we are operating on a very low level of oxygen.

1766
01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:30.439
<v Speaker 3>Well, we've learned that before. Remember, it turns out we

1767
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:31.319
<v Speaker 3>are and it's fine.

1768
01:27:31.960 --> 01:27:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean I certainly feel like I'm operating on

1769
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:36.840
<v Speaker 2>a very low level of oxygen after reading all of that.

1770
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, you've been talking for a while. I'm desperate

1771
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>to see these videos.

1772
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:45.279
<v Speaker 2>I will continue to scour the internet. If we find them,

1773
01:27:45.319 --> 01:27:47.800
<v Speaker 2>we will post them on the Instagram because it.

1774
01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like there's a lot of answers in there that

1775
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I've been waiting for.

1776
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.920
<v Speaker 2>It feels a bit too dismissive to end this episode

1777
01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>on a note of damn, that all sounds pretty stupid.

1778
01:27:57.159 --> 01:27:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I never said that once. I feel like I've been

1779
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.479
<v Speaker 3>team Morgel in this whole time.

1780
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, that last those last couple of paragraphs I think

1781
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:06.279
<v Speaker 2>might be some of the most.

1782
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:08.319
<v Speaker 3>That's the first time I felt like it truly made

1783
01:28:08.399 --> 01:28:12.319
<v Speaker 3>sense to me. That's why I need to see these videos.

1784
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if I asked you to repeat the theories

1785
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>heavy metals.

1786
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Have you here?

1787
01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:20.800
<v Speaker 2>You just want to You just want to study the

1788
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>forever chemicals.

1789
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.359
<v Speaker 3>I am. I'm anti forever chemicals.

1790
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Anyone with the brain would be. But I don't understand

1791
01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:33.479
<v Speaker 2>the connection. It jumps around these explanations so much that

1792
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:35.399
<v Speaker 2>it's not even really putting together with theory.

1793
01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:37.920
<v Speaker 3>I get it. A couple of soft yoga heads like you, man,

1794
01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.359
<v Speaker 3>you can't. You can't follow it the way it.

1795
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Is, yogurt brained white mountain folk.

1796
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Now you're flathead dude. I followed it fine. I followed

1797
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:45.880
<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. I was enthralled.

1798
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so do you feel at this point that

1799
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>there is any good scientific evidence suggesting that more gallons

1800
01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:54.159
<v Speaker 2>is a biological disease.

1801
01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Biological meaning it human beings have it.

1802
01:28:57.520 --> 01:29:00.279
<v Speaker 2>That No, that it's some sort of infectious spread.

1803
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>I do not think it's an infectious spreading disease. I

1804
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:04.439
<v Speaker 3>think you can have more.

1805
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Gallons from a psychological perspective, from.

1806
01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 3>A physical or physically feeling paid, whether it's psychological or otherwise.

1807
01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:12.399
<v Speaker 3>I think these people are physically feeling paid.

1808
01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I agree.

1809
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.039
<v Speaker 3>And as you know, like I said, like with fibermails

1810
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:17.960
<v Speaker 3>or something, and you're gonna go like twenty years from

1811
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.159
<v Speaker 3>now and it's like, oh, it turns out that was

1812
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:22.600
<v Speaker 3>a thing. And so I'm not being outwardly dismissive of it.

1813
01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:25.319
<v Speaker 3>I think six hundred grand doesn't buy you a fucking

1814
01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:28.439
<v Speaker 3>grape at Pfizer. And so it's like, you know, I'm

1815
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>sure there's some more studying to be done. I'd be

1816
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:34.039
<v Speaker 3>very interested to see a larger sample of the database

1817
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:39.039
<v Speaker 3>of hairs, or at least it tested against larger sample sizes. Yeah,

1818
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:40.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying there's got to be I don't know some

1819
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Museum of Hair or something like what do they got?

1820
01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:45.279
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean, Like, we gotta find the

1821
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:47.840
<v Speaker 3>best spot to check it against, because I would love

1822
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:50.960
<v Speaker 3>to just see if somebody be like, fuck, man, somebody

1823
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:56.199
<v Speaker 3>in Tokyo and somebody in bang the Dash they have

1824
01:29:56.239 --> 01:30:02.039
<v Speaker 3>the exact same ribbon fiber and they never made this clothing. Well,

1825
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.239
<v Speaker 3>and that's to me exciting, and so I don't want

1826
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:05.920
<v Speaker 3>to I don't want to dismiss people who are in pain,

1827
01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.880
<v Speaker 3>and I also don't want to dismiss the excitement of

1828
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:10.720
<v Speaker 3>finding out that that it's a real thing.

1829
01:30:10.880 --> 01:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And that doctor who collected all those fibers, he did

1830
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:17.600
<v Speaker 2>claim that they found fibers from people that matched each other,

1831
01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:21.239
<v Speaker 2>but nothing else that the fibers matched from different.

1832
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:22.000
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm looking for.

1833
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he was never then able to replicate those

1834
01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:28.039
<v Speaker 2>results or show any real proof of those results. He

1835
01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:30.239
<v Speaker 2>just said that that was the case.

1836
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, so that's the beginning. We got to go

1837
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.279
<v Speaker 3>find the second example.

1838
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I agree with you for the most part.

1839
01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I probably feel like there's less of a

1840
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:44.199
<v Speaker 2>chance that more Gellon's is actually a real physical disease

1841
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>that we just haven't discovered but I do agree with

1842
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:49.479
<v Speaker 2>you that a lot of people are suffering from something

1843
01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:56.520
<v Speaker 2>that probably most likely is a modern or evolved form

1844
01:30:56.720 --> 01:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>of that delusional parasitosis.

1845
01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:02.279
<v Speaker 3>And I do think you should be able to be like, listen,

1846
01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:05.640
<v Speaker 3>you're your doctor visits are free if because it's not

1847
01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.520
<v Speaker 3>a the botomy you were asking for here, Like your

1848
01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:10.319
<v Speaker 3>doctor visits are free, and you'll be taking seriously at

1849
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:14.399
<v Speaker 3>this clinic if you also, maybe we're like, let me

1850
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:18.079
<v Speaker 3>try the make the itch go away pill. Yeah, exactly exactly.

1851
01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:20.199
<v Speaker 3>We want to try everything. I know it sounds scary.

1852
01:31:20.239 --> 01:31:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I know it sounds dangerous, but I promise you it's

1853
01:31:22.119 --> 01:31:26.359
<v Speaker 3>not gonna be shock treatment and it's not habit forming

1854
01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:28.880
<v Speaker 3>or whatever this case may be. Like give it, give

1855
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:33.800
<v Speaker 3>it two weeks, and I promise this facility will still

1856
01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:35.399
<v Speaker 3>be here when you get back. Like this isn't a

1857
01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:37.880
<v Speaker 3>smoke screen, right, We're not going to report you to

1858
01:31:37.920 --> 01:31:40.159
<v Speaker 3>this get scared all time used that we were not

1859
01:31:40.239 --> 01:31:41.720
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent sure as a real bank.

1860
01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:43.800
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna find out in the next couple of months, I.

1861
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Think, Yeah, but so far the website still open. So far,

1862
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:48.039
<v Speaker 3>so good. So that's how I would handle it.

1863
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>The scariest thing about more Gallons to me is sort

1864
01:31:51.119 --> 01:31:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of the scary thing about gang stalking, which is that

1865
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>there's this gap between the reality of the pain and

1866
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>the unreality of the explanation, and that is where Morgellons lives.

1867
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>There was a line that I saw in the research

1868
01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>it's suffering caused in part by the search for the

1869
01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.319
<v Speaker 2>cause of suffering. Yeah, and I think that kind of.

1870
01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's also sums up scratching your own brain.

1871
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:19.239
<v Speaker 3>That's the same way to get there.

1872
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, the scratching your own brain is coming from the purely.

1873
01:32:23.239 --> 01:32:26.239
<v Speaker 3>It's that person is suffering from the cause of the suffering,

1874
01:32:26.279 --> 01:32:28.279
<v Speaker 3>that they're searching for the cause of the suffering ended

1875
01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:29.079
<v Speaker 3>up in their own brain.

1876
01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think in the case of Morgallons.

1877
01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Though, Okay, I'm saying, it's not a search, they're just

1878
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:36.039
<v Speaker 3>trying to edch Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's a

1879
01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.439
<v Speaker 3>pretty good quote could be applied many places.

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<v Speaker 2>The essays Leslie Jamison attended the annual Morgallon's conference in

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<v Speaker 2>Austin back in twenty twelve and wrote about it for

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<v Speaker 2>Harper's Magazine. She's a skeptic. She knows the medical consensus.

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<v Speaker 2>She went there as a journalist, and after spending a

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<v Speaker 2>weekend with sufferers of Morgallons, she wrote quote, the night

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<v Speaker 2>after my meeting with Paul, I couldn't sleep for all

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<v Speaker 2>the itching. I had two showers before bed and another

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01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>in the morning. All through the convention, I am tormented,

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<v Speaker 2>driven to senseless scratching.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a random lady who just went with no

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<v Speaker 3>signs of Morgallon.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, But I think that kind of says it all.

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<v Speaker 2>She never came to believe that she was suffering from

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01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:18.239
<v Speaker 2>more gallons. But this is not a disease that afflicts

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<v Speaker 2>the weak or the stupid. It's a disease that is

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<v Speaker 2>contagious through suggestion.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that dancing disease.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of yeah, the dancing disease that I think by now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you listen, if you are subscribed for NFU's, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably will have heard that. But that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>scariest things I can imagine. A disease that is transmitted

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<v Speaker 2>through suggestion is really frightening.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you been on the internet disease suggestion at this point? Then?

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<v Speaker 2>So that brings us to the end of our exploration

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<v Speaker 2>of the disease. That may or may not be real,

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01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:55.399
<v Speaker 2>or might be both. More gallons, and we have to

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01:33:55.479 --> 01:33:58.159
<v Speaker 2>place it on our fear tire. So, ed, where are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to place the mystery of Morgallon on your

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<v Speaker 2>fear too?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do a hot weekend in Austin at

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<v Speaker 3>the convention. AN eight sounds like everyone who goes there

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<v Speaker 3>walks away with a little itch mm hmm, and otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>a one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also going to put more gallons at A one.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it is a.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I would have known if I had

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<v Speaker 3>it by now.

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01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:18.319
<v Speaker 2>You would have known if you had it.

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<v Speaker 3>I only thought I had it that one day when

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't sleep for three days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think most people who have it have

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<v Speaker 2>that day and then something goes very wrong and they

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01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>just keep having a version of that day for a

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01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>very long time. Sure, so I'm placing more gallons at

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01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:34.399
<v Speaker 2>A one. I'm not particularly worried about it. I do

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01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>think it is pretty much a psychosomatic illness, but I

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01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:39.079
<v Speaker 2>do think it's a very interesting rabbit hole to go down.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope there is more study towards it, because it

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01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>does seem to be something that is hurting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, like anything in life, twenty years

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01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:50.920
<v Speaker 3>in you find out some shit that everyone thought was

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<v Speaker 3>bullshit is a thing. And so like you do a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people ato service. Maybe if it's like, well

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01:34:55.680 --> 01:34:58.359
<v Speaker 3>fuck it, let's wait twenty more years to give a shit,

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<v Speaker 3>then now you're forty years out and it's like, oh,

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01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:01.760
<v Speaker 3>we should have started that twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one of my greatest fears, procrastinating. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to procrastinate the end of this episode

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<v Speaker 2>any longer at all. Right, well, I can cut its

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<v Speaker 2>own until next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Guys. I'm Chris Calari and I'm feeling a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Niche and we'll see you next time, which is real

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye.

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