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<v Speaker 1>Around. This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Sterling and you with Wyatt Sharp. Wyatt, congratulations for

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<v Speaker 2>being on the biggest all night show in American radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now today you're in Austin. Is that your report? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what you claim?

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<v Speaker 1>I am Austin, Texas, Yes, sir, all right, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>different than Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>Completely different than Canada. Please give us an update on

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<v Speaker 2>the news and information of interest to your your fans,

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<v Speaker 2>your audience on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there was actually becoming a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern for us here in terms of true crime news.

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<v Speaker 1>But I started doing some true crime stuff after my

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<v Speaker 1>interview with the Nancy Guthrie Sheriff, and I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>continuing with that ever since. And so your listeners will

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<v Speaker 1>have known that the Luigi Mangioni investigation had a new

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<v Speaker 1>development this week. Luigi Mangioni is, of course, a man

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<v Speaker 1>who killed the CEO of United Healthcare, Brian Thompson, just

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<v Speaker 1>on a sidewalk in the middle of the street in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. This was in December of twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, and so he actually pleaded guilty to two

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<v Speaker 1>federal stocking counts this past week in court, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that he did that was because of something called

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<v Speaker 1>double jeopardy, and he was facing counts in both the

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<v Speaker 1>federal court but also state charges as well, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the hope, according to his attorneys, by pleading guilty to

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<v Speaker 1>the federal charges is that they can get those state

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<v Speaker 1>chargers thrown out and that he will be able to

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<v Speaker 1>walk free sometime in his fifties. Is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>general timeline that people are looking at right now, which

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<v Speaker 1>obviously seems very very absurd for someone who literally killed

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<v Speaker 1>a man in cold blood. But the reason that I

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<v Speaker 1>think my generation is so interested in this case in

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<v Speaker 1>particular is the reasoning behind why this happened. If you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to the attorneys for Luigi Mangioni, they will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that he did this as kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for reasons of emotional disturbance that they haven't officially used

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<v Speaker 1>that line of reasoning in court, but basically saying that

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<v Speaker 1>he was so fed up with the healthcare system and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he did this. But to me, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so interesting because I really don't think that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as fed up as you can be with anyone or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that that type of an argument would ever

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<v Speaker 1>stand in a court setting seems quite you know, laughable

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<v Speaker 1>in that sense. It doesn't seem as if that would

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<v Speaker 1>ever be a worthwhile argument or something that would have

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<v Speaker 1>much legal standing.

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<v Speaker 2>I am shocked that they had the nerve to present

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<v Speaker 2>that he's not being tried for murder. He's being tried

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<v Speaker 2>for stalking, and the judge has agreed to let this

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<v Speaker 2>go on.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. I talked to I don't know if you're listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>well know his name is Mark Geragos. He's a very

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<v Speaker 1>well known attorney, and he told me that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the interesting things in this case is because of the

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<v Speaker 1>legal loopholes. Right. It's not that, you know, Luigi Mangioni

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<v Speaker 1>didn't commit this horrible act, because he absolutely did, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of the way that the legal system work works,

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<v Speaker 1>rather that he very well could be out of jail

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<v Speaker 1>within his fifties. Now, of course that's not certain. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to see how the case continues to progress. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that, and I'm sure you would agree

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<v Speaker 1>with this, that it seems very shocking to me that

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<v Speaker 1>someone who killed somebody who is currently I think in

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<v Speaker 1>his twenties, I mean only getting you know, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>or thirty years for that type of a crime seems

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<v Speaker 1>quite absurd. When someone like Brian Thompson, you know he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get any of his life back. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet here you have Luigi Mangioni, who could, potentially, based

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<v Speaker 1>on the way things are going, be released and you

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<v Speaker 1>still have twenty to thirty years of his life left.

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<v Speaker 2>Wyatt Sharp, who has a very active and popular channel

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, The Sharp Report is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>Sharp Exchange?

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<v Speaker 2>Close enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 2>No Sharp Exchange, Sharp Exchange, Sharp Exchange on YouTube. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>us the latest that you you've received about the Guthrie case.

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<v Speaker 2>You had a famous interview with the sheriff. Anything else

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<v Speaker 2>from that interview and then updates the past week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I've done obviously that interview with the sheriff,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've also done a couple of follow up interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with different people. And one of the gentlemen that I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to, or a gentleman I spoke to with someone

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Rick Castigar, And obviously your listeners

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't know that name, but his backstory is very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because he was actually the boss of Sheriff Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Nanos for about thirty five years down in Tucson, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and I interviewed him and he had some pretty interesting

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<v Speaker 1>things to tell me. He had said that the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tension that we are sensing right now between the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff's office down there with the FBI is actually not

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<v Speaker 1>just specific to this case, and it's a longstanding personal

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<v Speaker 1>grievance that the sheriff has with the FBI, not just

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI director currently, but with the bureau as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says that he believes that that tension has

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<v Speaker 1>hurt the case pretty dramatically. He said that it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>the ego of Chris Nandos, the Pma County sheriff, that

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<v Speaker 1>has sabotaged the case. Was the wording that he used.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought that was really interesting just because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not you know, your average Internet commentator who's saying that

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<v Speaker 1>about the sheriff. It's someone who has had direct involvement

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<v Speaker 1>with him, who worked with him for several decades. Also

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<v Speaker 1>on the case, I've spoken to Ed Smart, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the father or who is the father of Elizabeth Smart,

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<v Speaker 1>who of course was abducted in Utah. Smart.

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<v Speaker 2>What a smart an interesting person to interview in this

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<v Speaker 2>case Elizabeth Smart's father. Please, I didn't mean to interrupt you,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted to yellow highlight how smart you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, I appreciate it. But yeah, the reason to

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<v Speaker 1>that point why I wanted to talk with him is

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<v Speaker 1>because his daughter was found after nine months of being abducted,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I thought to myself, let me reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to him because he might have some interesting things to

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<v Speaker 1>say about the timeline here, because I think six months

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<v Speaker 1>into this investigation, a lot of people who perhaps aren't

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<v Speaker 1>super ingrained in legal and criminal cases, think that after

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<v Speaker 1>six months these types of cases have gone cold. But

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<v Speaker 1>interviewing him was kind of to underscore that even six

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<v Speaker 1>months into this, well, Nancy Guthrie likely unfortunately, even he said,

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<v Speaker 1>is probably not likely to still be alive. That does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean the case has gone cold, and it does

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<v Speaker 1>not mean that they're not going to find out the

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrator of these crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And in your opinion, what has happened there with Savannah

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<v Speaker 2>Guthrie's mom. In your opinion, what do you think the

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<v Speaker 2>end result is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really tough to say without speculating too much. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's a lot of different scenarios, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>think that part of what has happened here and part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason that we are left without answers. When

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<v Speaker 1>I interviewed the sheriff, you know, he wasn't able to

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<v Speaker 1>rule out the suspect from the Tucson area, which, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't want to read too much into that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I thought that was kind of puzzling. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of it is because they withheld the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>for several days from getting access to the scene. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been an extraordinary lack of communication, So you know, honestly, Walter,

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<v Speaker 1>I think right now, one of the realities here that

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of people are willing to say is

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<v Speaker 1>that even the Sheriff's office doesn't really seem to have

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<v Speaker 1>much of a clue what's going on, because if they did,

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<v Speaker 1>they probably would be saying more because quite frankly, their

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<v Speaker 1>popularity is going down quite substantially right now because of

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<v Speaker 1>the la lack of answers that they are giving. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as much as the sheriff did give me

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<v Speaker 1>the interview, I'm very grateful for that. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he wasn't able to answer a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the questions that I had for him in a direct way.

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<v Speaker 1>That certainly didn't vode well for him, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>vote well for the public's trust or kind of their

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<v Speaker 1>interpretation of how transparent the Sheriff's office has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Whyat Sharp? Anybody who has teenage children know that if

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<v Speaker 2>an answer, if a question is asked and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get a direct answer, there's a lie at work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very powerful. Whyatt Sharp? Whyatt Sharp? The Sharp Exchange

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, great guests. Thank you very much for being Canadian,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you for being on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>Midnight