Speaker 1: And today I want to talk about the solar eclipse
mass religious deception and some of the history of the
way that the state, the way that the deep State
cults had utilized religious deception, the idea of signs and
wonders events to dupe the public, to corral them and
control them, and to maybe even distract them from authentic Christianity,
from the real authentic religious experiences out there, utilizing a
lot of tricks, a lot of scams.
Speaker 2: And a lot of skulldug raid.
Speaker 1: We go back to the early days of the Christian Church,
after the Apostles and their death. The Church, as you
guys know, is persecut about the Roman Empire. And I'm
not going to be talking a whole lot about deep
theological stuff. I did want to talk a little bit
about it because it's going to relate to where we
are today and the commonalities amongst odd groups, cults and
sects that are the source oftentimes for the delusions that
most people believe in the religious fear, including in the
so called Christian sphere. In the early days of the Church,
when the Roman Empire was persecuting it for the first
three centuries, there were at least as far as.
Speaker 2: We know, many many, many countless martyrs.
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, there was a lot of
groups that sprang up that had a lot of odd,
bizarre beliefs that were contrary to the doctrine of the
teaching of the Apostles that was handed down.
Speaker 2: A lot of these groups believed in esoteric things like
the Gnostics. There wasn't one Gnostic group, there was a
whole myriad of Gnostic groups. And if we read the text,
well known text.
Speaker 1: From Saint Irenaeus of Leon written in about one eighty
called Against Heresies, the first two or three hundred pages
of that books actually detailing all of the Gnostic sects
that he was aware of by ONEADAD. Now he was
a bishop in the Orthodox Church of that time, and
so he is our earliest witness to this myriad of cults.
Amazing thing about the Gnostics and culture that times that
many of the beliefs that they had then still are
present today. I don't think there's like one group that survived,
but a lot of the errors, a lot of the
mistakes that they held to, such as the idea that
the created world is inherently evil, that it was created
by a Gnostic demiurge that we need to escape the creation,
or perhaps we need to embrace degeneracy. There's all kinds
of different gnostic groups and sex. Some are very austere,
kind of like Brahmin's almost mandating no marriage, mandating not
eating meat, veganism, these kinds of things all the way
to the opposite extreme of groups that believed in full
and total indulgence.
Speaker 2: And right around that same time we had.
Speaker 1: The rise of a group called the Montanists, and Montanus
was the, according to his own claims, the voice of
the Holy Spirit. He said that he was really the
new Oracle, and that we didn't really need the scriptures
so much. They might have irrelevance, but the voice of
the Holy Spirit was now this living guiding oracle man Montanus,
and he actually drew quite a few followers away, and
he ended up being the first so called charismatic or
maybe kind of Pentecostal that you could think of in
the early Church. Other rose like the Aryans, not Aryan
like a neo Nazi an Aryan in the sense of
aari In who believe that Jesus was the first thing
that God created, foundation of the world, that the son
of God being an early, early, pre eternal creation. And
since Jesus was a creature, he couldn't be divine, he
couldn't be worshiped, he couldn't be a real savior in
any significant sense.
Speaker 2: He was more of a moral example.
Speaker 1: But the Arians were not just an odd, random political
or excuse me, a theological opinion. They were actually a
group promoted by certain members of the state. And the
reason that the state has always preferred in many cases,
not always, but in many cases preferred certain hairreses is
because they make the state kind of a de facto god.
So a lot of heresies, believe it or not, are
actually useful to the state, not all of them. Sometimes
there are heresies that arise that are contrary to the state,
and they have to be suppressed. But sometimes heresies are
very useful cults, groups, sects, and the imperium or the state.
If they're smart enough, they might try to use them,
co opt them, and spin them to their own designs.
And we're going to look at a few of those
examples as we progress through this discussion today. As we
move into the premeation of the Roman Empire by the
Christian Church, we see less and less of the kind
of wilder sects, and we get more and more of
these kind of specified sects that focus on disputes about
the Trinity or disputes about who the person of Jesus is.
And this is around the time as we get up
into the fifth sixth seventh century, we get the rise
of a new cult that takes over a large portion
of the Middle East and other places, and that's Islam.
And Islam is a mix, you could say, of a
lot of different ideas, and even according to the Oxford
Handbook of Islam, many of the early Church fathers, who
say John Damascus, who wrote in the Days of the
Rise of Islam, they accused it of being a mix
of Nestorian forms of so called Christianity, Aryan forms of Christianity,
latent arapaganism, as well as Jewish traditions, Talmudic traditions, and
pseudopographic Christian traditions.
Speaker 2: So Islam is a sort of odd mix.
Speaker 1: Of all of these things, and that's I think one
reason why it's very confusing to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And so in the case of.
Speaker 1: Islam, we get the first widespread, large scale rejection of
the notion of Christ as the son of God. In Islam,
Allah has no sons, can have no sons. Allah is
a master, and you are a slave. You are not
a son of God. It's a totally different that's a
different idea. So in Islam we get this marked turn
away from even the earlier forms of Christianity that were
heterodox or pseudo Christianity, black arianism. We get a more
warrior spirit and more radical idea of what John in
his Epistles calls Antichrist. John says that Benny Men denies
the logos in the flesh, that the Son of God's
come in the flesh. He says, that is spirit of Antichrist.
And so Islam is an Antichrist movement. Even though it
might recognize Jesus as a nice man or a prophet
or something like this, really it doesn't matter because that's
not what is necessary. What's necessary, as Jesus says in
John seven eighty nine, is that he's the way of
the truth and the life.
Speaker 2: He is the son of God. He's the only way.
Speaker 1: So this religious movement, other scholars argue, not just a
mix of of early heresies.
Speaker 2: There were also powerful state figures.
Speaker 1: Eventually, you get shakes, you get sultans who realize the
power of this religion, this newly created what we say
is a schism or heresy of Islam to be used
by the state.
Speaker 2: And in my view, that's.
Speaker 1: Why you get, for example, the burning and of many
Korans in the early phase to give the appearance of
one Koran.
Speaker 2: There's always one Koran.
Speaker 1: Likewise, we get the usage of Islam in a lot
of different versions and sects throughout these centuries by multiple
state actors ottomans, sult you know, sultan rulers and so forth,
the Celdruk, Turks. And what happens is that this takes
on a lot of different forms, but it's very useful,
especially to certain of the Ismaili sex For example, in
Israri I did a video many years or maybe maybe
a year ago on the assassins the hashashim, and there
techniques for training assassins and using things like high powered
drugs hashish to dupe young guys into thinking that well,
if you basically they would drug them, show them this
little garden of paradise that the very cunning leader had created.
There would be virgins and wine and food. And while
these guys are basically tripping balls. When they come down,
he says, Aha, you see, I've taken you to paradise,
and if you become an assassin for me is your
this is your afterlife, right, It's a freak golf in
the afterlife.
Speaker 2: And so that.
Speaker 1: Obviously is an early version of mind control and the
creation of a kind of an assassin. But that's just
one example of the variations that we see. I would
say the same thing goes along with the late early
medieval uses of the templars. We get the Templars, who
you might think, well, aren't they the enemy of the
Muslims and the assassin.
Speaker 2: Well, something happens with the Templars.
Speaker 1: We don't exactly know what in the Middle Ages, but
they at some point become entranced with something beyond Christianity
or papal Christianity. If you look at a great historical text,
there's a good book that I recommend from Papadacus and
mayandor If. This is a newly produced historical text covering
the Middle Ages, and it discusses early on that you
get the Gregorian papal reforms in the eleven hundreds in
the West, and what that does is really change is
the structure of the church.
Speaker 2: You get a new ecclesiology where the Papa.
Speaker 1: See the pope kind of kind of calls the shots
on everything. He's above all the world rulers. He's above
every emperor. Every emptor must submit to him. He can
call standing armies. We see this with the Borgia popes.
He can extually communicate anyone that doesn't fight in his armies,
as Alexander the sixth threatens to do. He has now
become basically the quizdos hat or rock.
Speaker 2: He's the god emperor.
Speaker 1: And at the same time you get these secret orders
of warrior monks. Now, in earlier Christian canon law or
church law, for example, the Council of Calcton, you have
canons that say that people who choose a monastic style
of life to renounce the world, they can't be a
functionaries of the state.
Speaker 2: They're not supposed to be.
Speaker 1: They can't go into battle, they can't do this kind
of stuff. And yet we have the papacy saying in
this eleventh century, in their gregrowing reforms, now I'm going
to have warrior monks. Now I'm going to have essentially
secret society networks that will fight for me. Against this
or that person, or this or that enemy. The problem
is that this then creates the pattern for secret society networks.
And I'm not trying to lay all the blame on
the Papacy. I think other groups were involved as well.
There are other groups with secret society networks.
Speaker 2: Muslims had secret society networks.
Speaker 1: The Rabbinical Jews had different types of secret society, secret
networks and.
Speaker 2: Secret teachings as well.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of different groups have the same
type of exoteric Christianity, which is for the masses and
an esoteric inner secret Christianity for those initiated. And the
groups that we're talking about, the Knights Hospital or the Templars,
these become breeding grounds for these kinds of secret society networks.
And we all know that the Templars discovered a lot
of well we don't know exactly why they discovered, but
they stumbled upon the idea of usury and fractional reserve
banking and this kind of stuff, and they gained a
lot of power and a lot of wealth, and then
they had other people like the Papacy and the King
of France come after them. In the thirteen hundreds of
the Council of the End. So that's where they're accused,
for example, of being gnostic heretics.
Speaker 2: Now, whether they were really into kissing.
Speaker 1: The butt of Satan and worshiping the head of a
cat or whatever they're claimed to be involved in, I
don't know if that is the case. I know that interestingly,
the Vatican, I think maybe ten fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: Esupposedly apologized to the Templars.
Speaker 1: But what's fascinating is that the Templars do continue their
tradition that seems to more and more focus on odd
things like worldly power, geopolitics again, secret society type networks,
and the radical devotion to Mary beyond what most.
Speaker 2: Christianity prior to that had seen us normative.
Speaker 1: For example, if you look at famous paintings in relationship
to the character of Bernard of Claivo, he was one
of the founders. I think of the Cistercians and the
monastic orders related to fighting in the Crusades, some of
the warrior monks look to Bernard of Clervau. You'll find
these bizarre paintings of Mary and milk coming out of
her breast into the mouth of Bernard. I think all
of this is again a lot of weird gnostic tendencies
that we're seeing in the Latin West again through these
sort of secret society network that were sort of the
direct armies of the papacy at the time. This is
why we get Yeah, there we go. I don't know
if you see the squirting milk teat picture there, but
it's a famous picture of Pernard, but it expresses what
we're talking about. And you get the same types of
tendencies and the Renaissance papacy and they're focused on a
lot of alchemy and hermeticism and what is really neoplatonic
philosophy and not really Christianity. Again, I'm not laying all
the blame on the papacy. There's a lot of players,
a lot of people involved in this, but these are
examples of Christianity or religious ideas deviating off into weird
pseudonostic hermatic traditions. And it's always tied with these secret
society networks operating in the underground because at this time
there was a lot of legal prohibitions on people exercising, say,
witchcraft in public, or exercising sorcery and public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the squirting teat image there, which is very odd.
I don't think any this would never be seen in
any any Orthodox church. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is this Renaissance period when again things are getting
a little weird in the West and we get a
lot of hermetic artwork. I used to think that, you know,
Dan Brown came out with his book, which I think
is ridiculous. But you know, I remember thinking that, oh,
there's no hermatic artwork in the Vatican.
Speaker 2: That's that's ridiculous. Well it turns out.
Speaker 1: No, Actually, Rome has quite a bit of hermatic and
no chemical neoplatonic art, and it's not so much actually
at the Vatican. Although Bernini did utilize this geometry and
this sort of esoteric architecture all through Saint Peter's and whatnot,
the majority of this is actually over in the Vatican Museum,
which is the old borsha of papal apartment. So it's
maybe not so much of it's in the Vatican itself
or Saint Peter's Cathedral, but over in the Vatican Museum,
and it's full of really weird occult esoteric stuff. And
so these secret society networks, these traditions, a lot of
these ideas they pass into the Venetian.
Speaker 2: Nobility.
Speaker 1: A lot of the Venetian power structure utilizes these secret
society networks as well as the idea of debt based
currency usery based currency. And this is interesting because this
has formerly been forbidden in Christendom as a whole, So
you weren't supposed to exercise or utilize usery principles in
the first thousand years of the Christian imperium.
Speaker 2: Byzantium for a long time forbade usury.
Speaker 1: Until the last period before Byzantium fell they began to
accept the use of usury. The Latin West also forbade
it until the Papacy, I think in the Renaissance. In
this around this Borgia Renaissance period, papacy begins to lighten
up and say no, you know, there's cases where we
can begin to do this.
Speaker 2: And this opens the door really to the rise of
what I mentioned.
Speaker 1: It becomes the Vatican Bank, as we know in Operation Gladio,
that becomes the key bank for a lot of black operations.
A lot of the deep state structure funding things like
Gladio around contradized to the Vatican Bank. Weapons sales tied
to the Vatican Bank. All of this because this is
really the most secretive bank in the world. That's why
you've seen so many banking scandals related famously in mainstream
news for the last thirty forty fifty years to the
Vatican Bank. But again, I'm not laying all the blame
on the Vatican Bank because there's other players as well.
So a lot of people would lay blame on Jews
for a lot of this, But you could never have
had usury in the West due to the fact that
Jews didn't have a lot of power. Even though Jews
supported usury, they were not the ones calling the shots
throughout the medieval Latin period. So how do we get
to this point where usury becomes prominent. Well, it couldn't
have happened without the dominant powers in the West. The
state power and the Vatican begin to eventually.
Speaker 2: Concede to these things. So we have to be careful
where we lay.
Speaker 1: This blame because it's well known, it's been demonstrated by
multiple scholars. The Vatican is actually the one that changed
its position on usury. Now, if we look at the
period of the Reformation, as we move up into Church
history in the West, we get a lot of these
cults and groups that spin off of the abuses of
the Latin papal Church. And certainly I would agree that
a lot of the objections of Luther and Calvin and
the Reformers were legitimate. They had a lot of reason
to complain with, a lot of superstition, a lot of
ignorance amongst the Christian people and nations. There was a
lot of abuse of clergy with multiple wives and girlfriends
and all kinds of stuff because they were supposedly supposed
to be it's celibate, I mean, a lot of absurd,
you know, ridiculous things, the abuse of indulgences, and then
the idea that you could donate to have your temporal
sins remitted, and then that the pope can free people
from purgatory.
Speaker 2: A lot of the things that Luther.
Speaker 1: Complained about Mark Luther in the ninety five theses, they're
legitimate criticisms. But one thing that happened as a result
of the Reformation was this other element of the Reformation that
you might or might have heard.
Speaker 2: Of, called the Radical Reformation.
Speaker 1: So if you think about the Reformers, we think about Luther, Calvin, Swingli,
there was a whole other group, all other branch that
the Classical Reformers of Lutheran Calvin actually fought against and
had many of them killed. And the radical Reformers are
the sort of the forefathers you could say, of the Amish,
the Mennonite, the hutter Rights, which you think, well, they're
not very well known. Nobody really cares what Amish and
Mennonites are up to unless they're selling dairy that's not
legal according to the state or whatever. Then they're like
a terror cell, right, But really the Amish Mennonite theology
morphs into other things.
Speaker 2: This is where we begin to get Baptist theology.
Speaker 1: The Baptists that we know about today in America, and
that's a big portion of the Evangelicals. They come out
of the Anabaptists, who were one of the radical Reformation movements.
Speaker 2: And so it's interesting to me that we.
Speaker 1: Think about classical Reformation theology of the quote traditional Presbyterian
or Lutheran or Methodist churches or even the Anglican Church.
Speaker 2: They had a close relationship to the state.
Speaker 1: A Luther, for example, couldn't have had his Reformation without
the support of the German princes because they didn't want
to go along with the pope and his geopolitical power.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of state power behind the Reformation.
Speaker 1: When we look at the Puritans, right, they attempted to
kind of set up a sort of a theocracy, which
is another kind of state power type of institution as well.
And the point is here is not to say, oh,
they're all good, they're all bad. It's just to look
at the patterns of history and see how this relates
to where we are now with the upcomings supposed solar
eclipse and all these end time speculation and people freaking
out and people getting into.
Speaker 2: The sensationalism of it.
Speaker 1: And my point is going to be very clearly that
a lot of this is used to manipulate the socially
engineered people.
Speaker 2: But the Reformers, as we said, are not a monolithic group.
Speaker 1: You get the radical Reformers who are made up of
a plethora of oddballs. You have people that are the
Quakers and the Shakers. I think the Shakers still exists.
There's like three people. There's like three old guys in
Pennsylvania somewhere in one woman or something like the last
of the Shakers, which is a split of the Quakers.
I'm sure you've heard of Quaker oats, right, and these again,
these are all these weird. Yeah, here we go was
a bunch of people who thought that well Lutheran Calvin
didn't go far enough. And again you think if you
look at these lists of beliefs here, some of them
were communistic, some of them were pacifists, some of them
believed in a direct speak King of the Holy Spirit.
And we don't really worry about anything to do with
tradition or sacraments or baptism, the Lord Supper, or the Bible.
It's just this inner swelling up where God directly moves
me and talks to me. That's a big portion of
that group. And that's relevant because I would argue that
what we see in America the delusion part of Christianity.
It's not so much the classical quote unquote Protestant churches.
Those are pretty much dying. They've been sterilized and committed
to a plan of death and dying out for many decades.
Going back to the mainline Protestant churches accepting Rock Capiller
funded liberalism since the twenties and thirties, so they've been
confessionally liberal and on the path to the acceptance of
sterilization through skittles, marriage through female quote bishops and ministers.
That's all a path through sterilization, and the statistics actually.
Speaker 2: Bear this out.
Speaker 1: Most of those mainline Protestant churches are projected to die
out in the next twenty thirty forty years because they're
not reproducing, they're not making converts, they're really just boomers
and people that are attached to that tradition for whatever reason.
And so the mainline Lutherans, for example, I think, are
projected to die out in twenty thirty forty years. And
so this is the consequence of those churches becoming controlled, manipulated,
and steered by powerful entities like the Rockefeller Foundation, foundations
that give millions of dollars to decide.
Speaker 2: Who will be in their seminaries.
Speaker 1: We're going through the history of the church and also
looking at the rise of a lot of weird groups sects,
and how sometimes those groups and sets are used by
the state or by other powers other entities to socially engineer,
to steer people in the direction that a power structure
might want to go in. And oftentimes that has nothing
to do with what is actually true. In fact, more
often than not, it's against the fact of what's the
case or what's true. And that's again for the benefit
of the state. Now we're working our way up through
church history, and we're talking about the Protestants. We're talking
about the Anabaptist, the Radical Reformation, and how that's overlooked
as a really powerful influence in America because with the
death of a lot of a lot of the main
line what we call classical Protestant churches from Luther and
Calvin and the Methodist of John Wesley and those numbers declining,
what ends up being the majority of so called Christian
in America is a lot of the Protestant will assume
a lot of the evangelical and charismatic groups. And I'm
not trying to go after or hurt anybody's feelings here,
but I.
Speaker 2: Do have to point out that what often goes along
with a lot.
Speaker 1: Of these groups is the idea of an early, assume
coming return of Christ preceded by a rapture.
Speaker 2: And the problem of the rapture doctrine is number one.
Speaker 1: If we look at the history of the Church and
the church that for example, put the Bible together in
the first seven centuries of Christianity, nobody ever taught the
doctrine of a quote pre tribulation rapture. This is actually
an idea that was invented. Some say it was some jesuit.
I'm not sure I believe that, but it really goes
along with what we call dispensationalism, and dispensationalism is a
heresy that pops up in the late eighteen hundreds, promoted
by a guy who split from the Church of England
and was part of the domination called the Plymouth Brethren,
and his name was John Nelson Darby, and Darby came
up with this idea of kind of charting out the
history of prophecy and coming up with these different divisions
in church history, and that God had different plans and
ways to save people in different ways. So in the
Old Testament you'd be saved with certain types of works,
but now that Jesus came, it's all about grace, and
there's grace as set an attention against works, and now
we can.
Speaker 2: Be saved in a different way.
Speaker 1: But then when Jesus comes back, there'll be a new
temple and he'll reinstitute animal sacrifices and we'll get a
thousand year reign of Jesus in Israel and all of
this sort of ridiculous nonsense, which is not true.
Speaker 2: In fact, this is.
Speaker 1: A huge delusion, And it's a delusion because number one,
the rapture is an idea that's intended to cause you
to sit back and wait and actually want the Antichrist
to come.
Speaker 2: So rather than taking action and.
Speaker 1: Rather than being involved, Christians are basically pacified and emasculated
by thinking that, well, there's no point because everything is
destined to become really, really bad and things never get better,
and so we might as well just concede to wickedness
and become I don't know, some sort of some weird
version of blackpill. But when Paul talks about being caught
up in the clouds in his letter to the Thessalonians,
there's no reason to think that this is any different
than the Second Coming and the general resurrection of all mankind.
Speaker 2: And that was always what Christianity taught.
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, and if it's not, really,
if the so called basis for the pre tribulation rapture
is very flimsy, like John in the Book of Revelation
being caught.
Speaker 2: Up to see the visions.
Speaker 1: Oh that's gonna that's a tollness about the rapture of
the Christians before the tribunal election.
Speaker 2: Now John is seeing those events in his day.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is prior to the destruction of the Temple
in seventy eight. So if John is seeing things that
were contemporary and events that were going to happen to
the people who's writing to. Remember, he writes to seven
actual churches in Asia Minor, and he warns those actual
churches about events that they're going to experience. Okay, what
use would it be to them if it's events that
are two thousand years later. I'm not saying that there's
no application to the end of the world the Book
of Revelation. I'm just saying that it's out of the
context of who he's writing to.
Speaker 2: But the real issue here is not.
Speaker 1: Even that it's Well, then, what's the point of the
rapture doctrine and the idea of say, evangelical Zionism and
so forth.
Speaker 2: Where does this come from?
Speaker 1: Well, as I said, you got these people at Oxford, Cambridge,
people in these elite British circles who happen to be
also connected oftentimes to the idea of British Israelite theology,
and if you don't know what that is, that's a
weird idea that the ten lost tribes in the Old
Testament somehow might be people in Europe or perhaps the
Scottish or the English they're part of these lost tribes,
and who even knows that that's true. But this theory
also plays into the idea that you find in a lot.
Speaker 2: Of European nobility and.
Speaker 1: Regal traditions that the Merovingians are the descendants of Jesus somehow,
or that the British kings and queens descend from Joseph
of Arimathea.
Speaker 2: Right now, they actually do kind of have this mythology there.
Speaker 1: I think it's complete nonsense, but I think they use
this myth as a kind of way to prop up
their status beliefs. And obviously, if you believe that the
British Isles and the peoples are a lost troupe of Israel,
you can then begin to appropriate promises to Israel or
Jews to you, and it becomes this ridiculous sort of
self propagating.
Speaker 2: Backing up of the state. And it's really an Anglo
version of.
Speaker 1: Hebrew Israel ideology, right, which is absurd and it's like, no, no,
the real Jews are random black people. I'm not trying
to be mean to anybody, but there was a meme
going around on Twitter and it was various rappers and
people saying, look, here's the icons from the fourteen hundreds
out of Russia and look it's Jesus as black. No, sorry,
Jesus was a Jew. He wasn't a black guy. Nothing
against black guys. Jesus even being a Jew can still
save anybody. So that's what he has to be a
Hebrew to fulfill the Messianic prophecies, right.
Speaker 2: So you can't be the Messiah and not be in
the lineage of Abraham, David, et cetera. Okay, you've got
to be. And so it's not going to.
Speaker 1: Be a dude in the new media or a dude
in Africa. So Jesus has to be a Gus to
be a hebred of fulfilled the prophecies, right. And that's
why the Gospels, for example, include the genealogies there were.
Speaker 2: If it didn't matter, then they would have genealogy.
Speaker 1: Well, the genealogy show that he's a descendant of Abraham
and David. Anyway, the point though, with the rapture and dispensationalism,
and this idea of chopping up church history and the
interjection of the premillennial UH and pre tribulation, premillennial idea
of the kingdom, the introduction of the UH pretubulation rapture.
This is really a neutralizing and masculating fact effect on Christianity.
It's a heresy because it's a completely new, made up teaching.
It's never in the church prior to that time of
John Nelson Darby.
Speaker 2: But it's more than that because this odd sort of.
Speaker 1: Not well known belief in the mid to late eighteen
hundreds gets popularized by a guy who creates a study
Bible and his name is Schofield. The Schofield Study Bible
is produced by Oxford.
Speaker 2: Is interesting.
Speaker 1: Why would Oxford University publish this bizarre fringe idea of
in time stuff study Bible that gets heavily promoted in
America as soon as it's published after Schofield puts it together. Well,
I can tell you the British Empire had a goal
at a strategy because they knew via the Balfour Declaration
that number one, the establishment of the State of Israel
was soon to come. This dispensationalist minded study Bible would
then inculcate America and the West, particularly Evangelicals and Protestants,
with a lot of these new ideas and new teachings,
which kind of ultimately it's not their only point, but
I ultimately serve to back up the re establishment of
the nation state of Israel, as if that was the
fulfillment of some sort of enti prophecy. So this was
an engineered thing in my view. I'm not saying that
there won't be in times of stuff relating to Israel,
and I'm not saying that Israel doesn't play any kind
of role in times. I'm not saying any of the
I'm just saying that if you look at the actual
history of why they promoted the Schofield Study Bible and
why it was so popular in American evangelical circles, it's
really the source of why America became an evangelical zionis
promoting thing. So whether you think that's right or wrong,
I'm saying that that seems to be how it came about.
And the problem here is that now the just like
we saw for example, with Puritans, if you read the
Puritans the way they speak of America. The Puritans is
viewed America like it was the church, right, and the
American Constitution, or or the city on a hill that's
the church. If you're an evangelical Zionist, there's not. You
don't really conserve the church. You actually believe in Israel
more than the church. So that's now your sort of
focus of everything. And the point is that it takes
the position, it takes the focus away from the Messiah, right,
and you can't have a new church that comes out
of nowhere.
Speaker 2: As the point.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about the usage of a lot of groups,
sex cults to promote various deep state power agendas, and
we were talking about dispensationalism and end time stuff, and
I wanted to close on that point and move on
to some other things related to the eclipse and speculations
about that in pointing out that so when you get
the establishment of the nation state of Israel, you get
a period where many Jews do want.
Speaker 2: To return and immigrate there.
Speaker 1: And when Hitler comes to power, the British actually ended
up screwing over the Jews because they want they gave
the impression that they wanted this to be the case,
they wanted to have people immigrate and to leave, and
yet they then revoked the ability of many Jews to
actually immigrate, and this led to Hitler being able to
persecute many Jews. And Hitler, as we know, in my view,
if you read Tragy and Ope, there's multiple pages in
Doctor Growth quickly Sex where he talks about, for example,
in nineteen thirty I think it's thirty nine, Hitler was
given two billion dollars in gold Czechoslovakia and gold.
Speaker 2: From the Bank of England.
Speaker 1: And this had to do with their dual policy where
they were British were on the one hand wanting Hitler
to go to war and to engage in these atrocities
and whatnot and to cause World War two, yet at
the same time telling the public that they were opposed
to Hitler actually screwing over the Jews, and this is
what led to the rise of the ear Gun and
the opposition to the British mandate on the part of
the existing Jews in Israel that led them too the
bombing of the King David Hotel. Anyway, I don't have
any position on any of that necessarily applying to quote prophecy,
I'm just pointing out that it's a really complicated history.
Speaker 2: And then you get the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
Speaker 1: Who comes in and says that this is actually going
to now be an entirely purely Arab Palestine. And the
problem is that the Graham Moftyw of Jerusalem was actually
an agent of British intelligence. So we constantly see throughout
this period a kind of maybe in an inner struggle
within the British power structure, who was trying to play
both sides of all these conflicts. They tried to play
both sides of the partitioning of the land of Palestine
into Israel and into Palestine, and a lot of the
elites of the British had this bizarre obsession and fascination
with Islam, and I think that had to do with
their imperial period, when people like Saint John philb and T. E.
Lawrence and they went to become kind of immersed in
the Arab tribes to figure out how to best rule
them in an imperial way. And watch the Peter O'Toole
movie Lawrence of Arabia where you see this in the film.
So interestingly, many of the British aristocracy and elite were
Philo arabisved, they loved Islam and Arabic culture. I'm not
saying they were all Muslims. I'm just saying that many
of them were on the side of this. Some of them, however,
were not. Some of them were more on the side
of the establishment of a Zionist state, like Lord rothschald
and others. So there might have even been in the
power structure in Britain at this time, perhaps an inner struggle,
but regardless, overall, it looks like they were trying to
play both sides of this issue. And that doesn't really
have anything to do though with in my view, with
necessarily quote prophecies. But the danger is that because of
the nation state of Israel being set up, and because
of the recent wars. I'm not saying taking any size,
I'm just saying that the point here is that prophecy
people will go nuts over this.
Speaker 2: And we already see it.
Speaker 1: Oh the red Heifer and this and that, And I'm
not saying that it's wrong to talk about this, but
I've been hearing the story where's the red Heffer since
the nineties, and and it's always the sort of like, oh,
this is happening in the rapture and then the you know,
and none of that ever manifests it made this time
he could.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not trying to be I know it all.
Speaker 1: But you know when you hear the same types of
warnings and fear and threats and anxiety from this kind
of you know, John Hagy in Times Blood Moons type
of stol but Moons if his real And by the way, Jesus,
if you don't remember, he actually wrote a book called
Jesus Isn't the Messiah based on his dispensationalism.
Speaker 2: I think he had to retract that book. But this
gives you.
Speaker 1: An idea of where the sort of John Hagy type
characters are coming from. And if you remember how Lindsay
wrote a book, for example, saying that he thought the
rapture would come in nineteen eighty eight based on these
goofy charts that he had come up with. And if
I recall, I did an interview with a friend of
mine many years ago who had done a deep dive
into that, and I think how Lindsay to the prophets
of that book and bought a bunch of real estate
in Malibu, so clearly he didn't think the rapture was coming.
A lot of other groups and sects, like Joe's Witnesses,
for example, have predicted the end of the world multiple
times and when it doesn't happen, shocker Judge judged somebody,
I forget forget his name, but one of the prominent
Joe's witness leaders after Charles Days Russell, he also bought
Beth Saram this a pretty I mean, they wouldn't say
it's a mansion, but it's a nice, multimillion dollar house
in San Diego. After his end Time's prediction didn't work
out and all of his followers gave him their money.
Speaker 2: Ended up buying a pad in San Diego.
Speaker 1: So we see this pattern a lot with colts and
sex who utilize the fear and the sensationalism of end
Times prophecies and predictions.
Speaker 2: And we think about back to Y two K.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was I was still I think, kind
of an evangelical minded person in the in in two K,
I was kind of starting to have some doubts about
evangelicalism at that time, but I remember thinking that, oh, you.
Speaker 2: Know, the media is hypeness. That's gonna be end of
the world. There's going to be everything collapsing.
Speaker 1: Society's going to collapse because the clocks on the computers
won't flip over or whatever. It's kind of silly, but
the media hyped it up and everybody kind of genuinely
thought that it might be some big deal. Ended up
not being a big deal. And then if you think
about through the two thousands, we had so many inflated
terror warnings. Right, oh, it's orange level terror. And we
were talking about this on the stream with the Alex
last night and Daksobiac and non Elon Musk didn'tman. So
it was a wild conversation that we have. You hadn't
watched that, Go watch that on a Bandai video. And
you know, then we had in twenty fourteen ish, I
remember there being a full solar collapse and I excuse me, eclipse,
not a collapse.
Speaker 2: I remember going outside and you know, it was dusk.
It was really cool.
Speaker 1: Like Alex was saying the other day, it's like the
birds get quiet, and I don't know, it looks like.
Speaker 2: A filter from blade Runner has put over your your visual.
Speaker 1: Ray.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: It lasted for maybe ten minutes and then at five
minutes it was gone. So I don't understand how this
one would be any different than that one. Nothing happened
in that one, And at the time, a lot of
people were saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was the end of the world. Bah.
Speaker 1: If you've listened to alternative conspiracy radio or whatever for
a long time, planet decks, Planet X is going to
collide with us, and this and that, all of these
fierce scenarios end up ultimately never manifesting. They're ridiculous, and
there's so many more that we could talk about. A
lot of the time, what I think is going on
is that most of the time these are attempts to
get people agitated and in a state of constant anxiety
and being kind of all kilter.
Speaker 2: Then you're more likely to default to the system.
Speaker 1: And the whole point of the war on terror was
that to get everybody constantly afraid of everything and not
afraid of the real things. So you're you're focused on
distracted with these absurd things.
Speaker 2: Blood moons and Ebola and again memory Bola.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened in twenty fourteen percent and Bola was into
the world, but Bola's coming to America from Africa nothing happened,
So you notice the pattern here of the media does
the same thing that the goofy evangelical End Times predictors do. Right,
Harold Camping, he would constantly predict the rapture into the world,
and every time it didn't happen, he would just update
his prediction and say, oh, well I've miscalculated. And by
the way, or like Therejove's witnesses, they would say it
was a spiritual event that occurred and you couldn't see it,
but it really did happen. Right, This is con artistry
is a convent. The same stuff with aliens. There aren't
extra biological aliens. I'm sorry, there's no evidence of this.
There's a lot of weird stuff in the sky. But
how does that lead us to the conclusion that there's
visitors from the Pleiades?
Speaker 2: Where's the heart of it?
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there are entities, but maybe their demons, Like,
what's the basis for it being some thing that flew
here from the Pleiades? Just to uh, you know, people
in touch butts whatever the aliens do with their with
their intrusions into various worrifices.
Speaker 2: So this is a lot of conspiracy candy.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of uh, causing anxiety, getting you hyped
up paranoid awareness. Social engineer study this. In fact, cass Unseen,
who was Obama's one of his czars who went on
to the NSA. He wrote a famous paper, as I mentioned,
about cognitive infiltration, and this paper was discussing the way
to infiltrate truth movements people that do real research, come
up with real information, and to seed.
Speaker 2: It with fake conspiracies.
Speaker 1: Just flood it with dumb fake conspiracies, get people arguing.
Speaker 2: Over things that don't even matter or you can't even.
Speaker 1: Know Tortorio, there was an ancient civilization of much flood.
I mean maybe, but like, how are you You're not
going to prove this, what's this going to do? It's
it's not you know, it's not like understanding the Federal
Reserve right, and as foolish without being buying bitcoin. Right.
So there's all these fake conspiracies to distract from the
real things going on, and the government wants you involved
in those stings of the government, the system. They actually
love fake conspiracies, and it's a form of religious engineering,
no different than the high priests and apocalypto who are
duping everybody into thinking that they have to sacrifice two
thousand people and worship the state or the sun won't
come back.
Speaker 2: Just go watch Mel Gibson's Apocalypto. So anyway, that's my
take on it.
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