Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: I welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode, I
Speaker 1: got myself, I got Lisa, the occult rejected mad scientist,
Speaker 1: and I got the headless Giant himself. Lisa. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much for joining us. I appreciate it. How are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 3: Times?
Speaker 2: Doing very well.
Speaker 4: I am very much looking forward to this topic, as
Speaker 4: we were talking about it before we hit the record, buddy,
Speaker 4: very very very intrigued.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then we got that man himself, the myth,
Speaker 1: the legend headless Giant. What is up, my man? My
Speaker 1: favorite hellenic ship poster, the skit spos or whatever that
Speaker 1: says on the moment. How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, looking forward to hearing about sleep paralysis
Speaker 3: and all the ins and outs how these things happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, thank you very much for making it.
Speaker 1: And you want to plug your show and let everybody
Speaker 1: know about like your your other stuff going on.
Speaker 3: Well. Normally I do a mail bag on Wednesdays and
Speaker 3: or Thursdays where I read your emails about experiences like
Speaker 3: the one Vicky is going to explain to us today.
Speaker 3: If it's a magical paranormal. If it's a mystical experience
Speaker 3: you've had, send send your story over to Headless Give
Speaker 3: Podcast at gmail dot com and I will read it
Speaker 3: on the air and break it down usually with Nick.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, oh you're not streaming out right now?
Speaker 3: I don't think it.
Speaker 1: Oh my bad. I'm so sorry. So you want me
Speaker 1: to set it up so you can stream out real quick? No,
Speaker 1: that's good, all right, I feel bad. I just realized
Speaker 1: that I thought you were going to stream out on
Speaker 1: your man. All right. I'm so sorry, so I screwed
Speaker 1: it all up. All right, Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Listen finally, finally to the guest, got my shit together now, Vicky,
Speaker 1: Vicky Joy. She's made her rounds. You might have heard
Speaker 1: of her already, but she's finally made it onto the
Speaker 1: cult rejects and very excited to have you on and
Speaker 1: to hear your story. Vicky. Please let everybody know like
Speaker 1: what you deal is where they can find you stuff
Speaker 1: and you want to promote anything.
Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, thank you, Vicky Joy. Vicky Joy Anderson, you
Speaker 2: can find me at Vickyjoyanderson dot com. I've got a
Speaker 2: YouTube channel at VICKI Joy Anderson. You can find me
Speaker 2: on Instagram and most of the socials at Vicky Joy
Speaker 2: author and if you want to meet me in person,
Speaker 2: I will be in Mansfield, Ohio the weekend of March
Speaker 2: twenty seven through twenty nine, speaking on conjugal nightmares the
Speaker 2: Nuptials of Nasfaratu at the Strange Land Conference. Information on
Speaker 2: my website.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, to tell JJ about that? Is there? When
Speaker 1: is that again?
Speaker 2: March twenty seven through twenty nine in Mansfield, Ohio. And
Speaker 2: you can go to my website Pickyjoyanderson dot com on
Speaker 2: the events tab, or you can go directly to through
Speaker 2: the black dot com.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, I'm to have to look into
Speaker 1: that myself. Oh all right. So, uh, sleep paralysis, I
Speaker 1: guess I guess wherever you want to start with this?
Speaker 1: It's on you.
Speaker 2: Where do we begin? Oh my goodness. I always like
Speaker 2: to tell people I don't know who came up with
Speaker 2: this phrase sleep paralysis. It's the dumbest phrase. Sleep paralysis
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with sleep, really has very little
Speaker 2: to do with paralysis. There is a sleep paralysis, you know.
Speaker 2: We obviously go into paralysis at various sleep stages. It's
Speaker 2: a protective measure. It's part of our physiology keeps us protected.
Speaker 2: It keeps us from sleepwalking and wet in the bed
Speaker 2: and punch people and things like that. So there's nothing
Speaker 2: spooky or paranormal about having paralytic states during your sleep,
Speaker 2: and that really is almost unintentionally, I hope it was unintentional.
Speaker 2: It's almost a form of gaslighting because everyone experiences it,
Speaker 2: but not everybody experiences the spooky kind. So for the
Speaker 2: people who experience the more traumatic kind, we tend to
Speaker 2: get poo pooed and gas lit by the people that
Speaker 2: have the physiological regular kind, and they're really I really
Speaker 2: wish we could just come up with a different phrase,
Speaker 2: but it is what it is at this point. So
Speaker 2: I suppose we should start out with maybe a definition.
Speaker 2: And obviously you can go online. There's all sorts of
Speaker 2: official narrative definitions, but most of them are put out
Speaker 2: by science and medicine and people who have really no
Speaker 2: respect or interest whatsoever in anything supernatural or paranormal or mystical.
Speaker 2: Everything has to be plotted, you know, on a graph
Speaker 2: for a chart or an Excel chart, and if anything
Speaker 2: is the slightest bit strange or weird or unexplained, it
Speaker 2: just gets written off and that person's schizophrenic or mentally
Speaker 2: ill or something like that. So if the only explanation
Speaker 2: you have of sleep paralysis is this something you pulled
Speaker 2: off the Internet or Wikipedia or NIH or something like that,
Speaker 2: you don't have any idea what it is or how
Speaker 2: horrific it is to the people who experience it. And
Speaker 2: so how would I explain sleep paralysis? Oh gosh, I
Speaker 2: really think that I have a different take on it
Speaker 2: than a lot of people. Your standard religious explanation is, oh,
Speaker 2: you opened up a door, you bad person, You did
Speaker 2: something wrong, and now demons are after you, and you
Speaker 2: deserved it because you're a bad person who played with
Speaker 2: the Ouiji born or looked at porn. You know, That's
Speaker 2: pretty much all you're going to get out of that
Speaker 2: and say you're sorry and Jesus will forgive you and
Speaker 2: it'll never happen again, Which is really actually sad because
Speaker 2: for a lot of people it does happen again, and
Speaker 2: so you really do have to kind of understand what's
Speaker 2: going here. Going on here, I personally think that sleep
Speaker 2: paralysis is the tail end of a far more spectacular
Speaker 2: astral experience that has happened in the midst of an
Speaker 2: RAM cycle. You're being abducted out of your body in
Speaker 2: an RIM cycle. This is why there doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: be that. The timelines seem to not add up. And
Speaker 2: people who have done ayahuasca trips will talk about this
Speaker 2: as well, They've been out ten minutes, but they had
Speaker 2: a two week or a ten year experience. They've got
Speaker 2: the timeline doesn't match up.
Speaker 1: I will say, I just want to add real quick, VICKI.
Speaker 1: I've even said this myself before having magical experiences. The
Speaker 1: amount of time that you're gone for for how long
Speaker 1: it felt like you're gone for, it does not match.
Speaker 1: Does that match? Just like literally seconds and it felt
Speaker 1: like you were doing it for like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And this is why the official narrative breaks down
Speaker 2: because the average RIM cycle, the average dream cycle, is
Speaker 2: ten to twenty minutes. And when you come back from
Speaker 2: one of these astral abductions, as I will call them,
Speaker 2: you have hours worth of information that you remember. You're
Speaker 2: geohopping all over the place. I was in Italy, I
Speaker 2: was on an airplane, I was in an airport waiting
Speaker 2: for three hours. Now I'm in a car. Now I'm here,
Speaker 2: and there's no way all of that was compacted into
Speaker 2: a ten or twenty minute rim cycle. You are out
Speaker 2: of the rim cycle at that point. The rim cycle
Speaker 2: is the jump space. Okay, that's where you go to
Speaker 2: pick up the bus. That's where you go to pick
Speaker 2: up the train. But you're you're leaving, and I want
Speaker 2: to go off on a bunch of tangents here, so
Speaker 2: I'll just stick to finishing the definition. I believe that
Speaker 2: when we come back from these abductions, very similar to
Speaker 2: people who will talk about say a UFO abduction or
Speaker 2: an alien abduction, they have missing time and they don't
Speaker 2: remember what happened. They just know something happened.
Speaker 1: Do you ever wonder if those are misunderstanding maybe something else?
Speaker 1: Well from the experiences you have, have you ever wondered
Speaker 1: maybe those people who thought they were abducted might have
Speaker 1: actually been experiencing something else and they kind of absolutely
Speaker 1: I don't want to say concocted, but their brain concocted
Speaker 1: a way to deal with what was going on.
Speaker 2: This is where it gets really tricky with these all
Speaker 2: of these experiences, with the sleep paralysism of ayahuasca and
Speaker 2: with the UFO abductions. If all we do is relegate
Speaker 2: everyone to schizophrenia, mental illness, crazy, they're looking for attention.
Speaker 2: You know, we sort of have to have a little
Speaker 2: bit of a me too movement in the paranormal world
Speaker 2: where there are people out there that are seeking attention.
Speaker 2: There are people out there who legitimately do have a
Speaker 2: traumatic brain injury or a genetic mental illness, et cetera.
Speaker 2: There's always going to be those outliers. But the fact
Speaker 2: is we have thousands and thousands of people, and we
Speaker 2: have a historical record that goes back hundreds of years.
Speaker 2: We see reports of this in medical journals going all
Speaker 2: the way back to sixteenth century. We see it in Europe.
Speaker 2: Every culture has their own name for this. Not everybody
Speaker 2: calls it sleep proalysis. Some people call it the Old Hag.
Speaker 2: Part of my book, there's like three or four pages
Speaker 2: in my book where I go through like around the
Speaker 2: world in eighty days, so to speak, and every culture
Speaker 2: has their own explanation for what this dream character is
Speaker 2: or what this entity is it? Like is it a demon?
Speaker 2: Is it a screetch owel? Is it a lilith? Is it?
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's got their own explanations so to write
Speaker 2: off a historical record that rich in detail, we have
Speaker 2: to at some point have an intellectually honest discussion that
Speaker 2: is half the globe crazy or is there something going
Speaker 2: on and we just don't understand, you know? And one
Speaker 2: of the things that I think is really fascinating. I
Speaker 2: like to throw this sometimes into the face of people
Speaker 2: that want to get you know, there's the people that
Speaker 2: want to use science to prove you wrong. There's people
Speaker 2: that want to use a medical textbook to prove you wrong.
Speaker 2: And then there's people that want to use religion to
Speaker 2: prove you wrong. And what I always tell to the
Speaker 2: people who are coming at me, I get a lot
Speaker 2: of criticism, unfortunately from the Christians. You know, you're toting
Speaker 2: around one of the most supernatural books in the world,
Speaker 2: and you think this is weird. You think this is weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like pretty tame stuff.
Speaker 1: Are you supposed to be drinking blood and eating flesh
Speaker 1: right now? But do you think this is weird?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 2: So I always say, according to the very foundational texts
Speaker 2: of the scriptures in the Torah, it legal the legal
Speaker 2: system of the ancients was if you had two or
Speaker 2: three witnesses, you legally had proof that was evidence. You know,
Speaker 2: this was back before video cameras and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: If you had two there were three witnesses that had
Speaker 2: the same testimony and they weren't contradicting, and you could
Speaker 2: tell they weren't lying. If two or three people were
Speaker 2: saying the same thing, it was codified into legally that
Speaker 2: that was the truth. And so if you've got not
Speaker 2: two or three people saying this stuff is happening to me,
Speaker 2: but you have thousands. Even in the like the two
Speaker 2: and a half years since my book came out, I
Speaker 2: could give you a thousand witnesses because I get the
Speaker 2: emails and the dms, and so we have to, even
Speaker 2: from a philosophical and a religious perspective, based on the
Speaker 2: evidence of witnesses. We have too many people who don't
Speaker 2: know each other, from different centuries and different cultures, all
Speaker 2: saying the same thing. And we all know some of
Speaker 2: this stuff. We all know.
Speaker 3: I had a question there, do you think any of
Speaker 3: this could be psychologically produced? Like these could actually be
Speaker 3: like driven by perception, like a lot of people hear
Speaker 3: about the phenomena and then they actually end up experiencing themselves.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that's a really good point, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if anyone's ever brought that up before, but it's
Speaker 2: interesting because even the way I set up my book,
Speaker 2: I have at the end of every chapter, I have
Speaker 2: like this. I call them warfare points. They are things
Speaker 2: that you should consider before you even go on to
Speaker 2: the next chapter. And I tell people, this book is
Speaker 2: not for entertainment. This isn't to tell campfire stories, This
Speaker 2: isn't for titillation. If you don't have this problem, you've
Speaker 2: never had sleep paralysis in your whole life, and you're
Speaker 2: reading books on it, and you're online, and you're on
Speaker 2: the message boards and you're on Reddit, and you're watching
Speaker 2: all the movies you can, you can obviously open up
Speaker 2: a door where if you're filling your mind with all
Speaker 2: of that stuff, it's kind of like a field of
Speaker 2: dreams scenario.
Speaker 1: I call it.
Speaker 2: If you build it, they will come. This also kind
Speaker 2: of fits in with the new CEE five language. If
Speaker 2: are you guys a close encounter the fifth kind, if
Speaker 2: you go out asking for it, if you're showing an
Speaker 2: intrigue for this stuff and you're thinking things like man,
Speaker 2: I wish that could happen to me, Like oh, I'm
Speaker 2: going to drive to area fifty one. I hope I
Speaker 2: can see there's a point where if you build it,
Speaker 2: they will come, like you know, and you can chalk
Speaker 2: that off to psychology. You can chalk it off to invitation.
Speaker 2: You know, you can go back into the vampire folklore.
Speaker 2: You invited it, you gave it permission, You thought it
Speaker 2: would be really cool if you had this experience. So
Speaker 2: you got what you asked for. So, however, you want
Speaker 2: to define that in your worldview, whether it's psychological and
Speaker 2: brain related, which I think it is, or if it's
Speaker 2: spiritual in some sort of sense like you are, quote
Speaker 2: unquote opening doors. If that's the language that you're familiar with,
Speaker 2: you can call it whatever you want. But the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is, if you've never had this problem,
Speaker 2: you can have this problem real quick. If you're intrigue
Speaker 2: supersedes your interest in just trying to help another person,
Speaker 2: sooner figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you're saying also in the book with you,
Speaker 1: you know, saying like, you know, I guess warning about
Speaker 1: going father. I'm assuming what you're getting at is maybe
Speaker 1: these experiences are a little bit more intense than people
Speaker 1: would like to believe, because I mean, I do even
Speaker 1: say that about magic, you know from my experiences. It's
Speaker 1: you know, it's I remember, this is silly, but I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's stuck in my head. But you know,
Speaker 1: it was a big Iron Maiden fit when I was younger,
Speaker 1: and they had this song called still Mine or something
Speaker 1: like that, and on the album Peace of Mind Something
Speaker 1: Still Something, and he's Nico McBrain. The drummer was speaking backwards,
Speaker 1: and you know, eventually I played it backwards to see
Speaker 1: what he said. And this was after the fact that
Speaker 1: I've actually had magical experiences. Some reason, I remembered that song.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I have equipment now I could
Speaker 1: play this backwards and see what he was saying, you know,
Speaker 1: like I have you know, podcasting shit, I could play
Speaker 1: it backwards. So I played it backwards and says you
Speaker 1: shouldn't mess with things that you don't understand. Fucking exactly. Man.
Speaker 1: I was like, I shouldn't been messing with that shit
Speaker 1: that I didn't understand. And when I found out what
Speaker 1: it was, it smacked me in the face, no joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's fascinating too, because you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I only know what's written in the press,
Speaker 2: and God only knows what's true and what's not true.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting that a lot of these guys that
Speaker 2: messed with that kind of stuff. I think the drummer
Speaker 2: of Iron Maiden has recently come out saying he became
Speaker 2: a Christian. So you wonder what led him to, you know,
Speaker 2: pendulum swinging that drastically over into the other. What did
Speaker 2: he you know, what did he unearth? And you know,
Speaker 2: and we all know, I love studying the lore of
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page, you know, and Crowley's House
Speaker 2: and the house burning down and all of like the
Speaker 2: the rituals he did on stage, like with the violin
Speaker 2: bow and pointing to the compass points and and like,
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy knew what he was doing. He
Speaker 2: plays it off like it's all just rock and roll, man,
Speaker 2: but he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yep, you don't go ahead.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to point out on the conspiracy side
Speaker 3: of this. So there was a report that Eli Lily
Speaker 3: manipulated the Japanese language because they didn't have a word
Speaker 3: for depression, and Eli Lily wanted to sell their antidepressants
Speaker 3: in Japan and make billions of dollars. So they manipulated
Speaker 3: the language to introduce the cultural concept of depression from
Speaker 3: America over there and created a five billion dollar kind
Speaker 3: of industry for antidepressants in Japan, using celebrities too, by
Speaker 3: the way, So these celebrities would get what they called
Speaker 3: the sad flu. The sad flu, that's what the interpretation
Speaker 3: of depression is in Japanese. Could you imagine the manipulation
Speaker 3: of saying somebody sat in your life. It could wear
Speaker 3: off you.
Speaker 1: A version of the flu. That's what you depressed.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, you will.
Speaker 3: Hit the country into sort of having these kind of experiences.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, the Naicebo effect. You Like, I tell
Speaker 2: people hypothetically, if they wanted to pull off everything that
Speaker 2: they pulled off in twenty twenty, without an actual virus,
Speaker 2: they could have done it. It's called the Naicebo effect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you tell everybody on the news every single night there's
Speaker 2: something going around. You're going to die. These are the symptoms.
Speaker 2: If you have a n mass emotional reaction of fear
Speaker 2: and anxiety, and they're ruminating on those side effects and things,
Speaker 2: you will have a global pandemic. And you didn't spend
Speaker 2: a diamond. There's no virus. Now I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: that's what happened, but I'm saying that's the power of
Speaker 2: these niciebo effects and the powers that be know these
Speaker 2: things and with words, with language. Absolutely there's magic in
Speaker 2: that we've got. You know, we've all heard the adages spelling,
Speaker 2: cursive writing, vow l's, we've got the L in there, grammar, grammar, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that was it. I knew there was another one, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we know that they know what they're doing and
Speaker 2: they're really good at it. And so with some of
Speaker 2: these sleep proalysis things and the UFO phenomenon and the
Speaker 2: paranormal activity, and so let me give you a few examples,
Speaker 2: because you know, typically when I'm on these shows, we're
Speaker 2: talking about all the phenomenal stuff, and we're talking about
Speaker 2: the demonic stuff and the spiritual stuff. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: some of the smoke and mirrors stuff. They have technology
Speaker 2: now that can reproduce every aspect of the sleep proalysis experience.
Speaker 2: There are medications, there's muscle inhibitors sec siny coaline used
Speaker 2: by every E M T. And you know, when you
Speaker 2: want to sedate a person or like you want to,
Speaker 2: you have to sedate a person before you intubate them,
Speaker 2: because you don't want to just shove a tube down
Speaker 2: people's mouths. It's just people don't like it, and so
Speaker 2: they they have to give you a sedative before they
Speaker 2: give you sec city coal. And because sixcinny coaline mimics
Speaker 2: so many of the uncomfortable aspects of sleep paralysis that
Speaker 2: it terrifies people, and so they sedate them, then they
Speaker 2: give them the sacciny coline, and then they intubate them.
Speaker 2: And there's an awesome article I reference it in my
Speaker 2: book and it's called sixciny coline, The World's most Discreet
Speaker 2: murder Weapon. And if you od somebody on sixciny coline,
Speaker 2: they will actually die of what will absolutely feel like
Speaker 2: a sleep paralysis experience. They can't move as a heavy
Speaker 2: weight on their chest, they feel like they can't breathe,
Speaker 2: their heart is pounding. They have this terror. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. And as far as the shadow people go,
Speaker 2: there's two different ways technologically or through frequency that you
Speaker 2: can mimic a shadow person. There are certain quadrants of
Speaker 2: the brain that if you probe it, a person will
Speaker 2: will see a shadow person as well as frequencies, and
Speaker 2: so I can't rememb that there's a frequency threshold that
Speaker 2: our human ear can hear. But if you're under like
Speaker 2: four hurts something like that, you'll see supernatural or paranormal phenomenon.
Speaker 2: And great articles online about there was a man who
Speaker 2: kept seeing all of this paranormal activity in his lab
Speaker 2: at night, and other people would report it and they
Speaker 2: were scared and they thought the place was haunted. Long
Speaker 2: story short, there was a desk fan in the office
Speaker 2: and it oscillated at under four hurts and it was
Speaker 2: creating these moods and it had the frequency had the
Speaker 2: effect on the brain. And so you could easily if
Speaker 2: you wanted to gaslight somebody, like you know, you got
Speaker 2: that spouse you want to knock off, like, you could
Speaker 2: easily if you had the knowledge of various medications, brains, frequencies,
Speaker 2: different things, you could mimic all of this stuff. And
Speaker 2: so I'll give you another example of paranormal activity that
Speaker 2: seemed really spooky at one point in time, but now
Speaker 2: we have an explanation for it. Several decades when the
Speaker 2: phones first started coming out and people started telling all
Speaker 2: these spooky paranormal stories about how voicemails would show up
Speaker 2: on their phone that weren't there before and they don't
Speaker 2: know who it was. And messages were showing up on
Speaker 2: their phone. And then you started hearing like really creepy
Speaker 2: photos were showing up in people's photo albums on their phone,
Speaker 2: and it would be pictures of like areas in their
Speaker 2: house with like a shadow creature or something, and it
Speaker 2: would be not anything, not a picture that they ever took,
Speaker 2: you know, And that's creepy if you tell that story
Speaker 2: in a vacuum. But now we know enough about remote
Speaker 2: desktop viewing and what people can do. Anybody in an
Speaker 2: IT department. We know that there are people in various
Speaker 2: sitting at various desks in government where they can access
Speaker 2: your phone. They can turn it on, they can plant
Speaker 2: files in your computer, they can take them out. You
Speaker 2: can photoshop a spooky picture and stick it on someone's phone.
Speaker 2: There's nothing creepy about that. And so some of this
Speaker 2: stuff that we're experiencing, I do think we're being totally
Speaker 2: trolled because we don't we're behind the technology that's available,
Speaker 2: and so it looks like they've got some sort of
Speaker 2: power or ability when it's really just people with the
Speaker 2: tech and the goodies and the toys that can do
Speaker 2: some of the stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's something, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh but you got the whole Havana syndrome where somehow
Speaker 3: electro frequencies caused all these diplomats to fall ill. And
Speaker 3: so you know, just now they're starting to actually admit
Speaker 3: that this stuff exists, which is crazy. The CIA wouldn't
Speaker 3: pay out their own employees because they said that technology
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, and yet they're the ones who have been
Speaker 3: using it, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, yeah, we've been trolled since at least
Speaker 2: nineteen oh one, I mean been trolled since the beginning
Speaker 2: of time. But with the technology and even what did
Speaker 2: you guys it's Tesla had his like what was it
Speaker 2: called his ray gun or what what did they call it?
Speaker 2: It has like this super cheesy like cartoon name to it.
Speaker 2: But if you actually read on Tesla's laser gun or
Speaker 2: ray gun or whatever it was called, I can't bring
Speaker 2: it to my mind. It was a very moment Was
Speaker 2: it a.
Speaker 1: Ray Yeah, there's such a cheesy, silly name, And I
Speaker 1: was just like, what you made? What?
Speaker 2: I know? I know, but if you read on that,
Speaker 2: it was it was frequency technology. It was this whole
Speaker 2: like you know, disemboweling crowds and kind of stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I mean, when you think about
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that they were privy to in
Speaker 2: the in nineteen oh one, and you're talking about Tesla's
Speaker 2: like Wi Fi tower out on the East coast and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, they they knew how to tap into
Speaker 2: this stuff a long time ago. And so I absolutely
Speaker 2: without discrediting the reality that some people experience. You know,
Speaker 2: there are people that have interfaced with beings, whether it's
Speaker 2: an alien abduction or it's some sort of like I mean,
Speaker 2: we know people astral project and they go and they
Speaker 2: talk to ascended masters in spirit guys, like, we know
Speaker 2: that there's validity to these things. But as far as
Speaker 2: the general masses of people that don't look into these
Speaker 2: things and haven't experienced these things, when these sort of
Speaker 2: things happen to them, I think that there's a disconnect
Speaker 2: really in how much they are able to mimic through
Speaker 2: technology and frequency.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, especially that time dilation aspect. Yes, if you're hitting
Speaker 3: somebody with these frequencies and you're dilating their time perspective,
Speaker 3: it changes the entire nature of the witness testimony, you know,
Speaker 3: because everything could be happening differently, but because you're being
Speaker 3: hit with that time dilation, it makes everything sound you know,
Speaker 3: completely bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: A while ago we had a guest on Leon Southgate
Speaker 1: and now he's just somebody who plays around with orgone,
Speaker 1: you know, like you were mentioning before, kind of like
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go somewhere with this, like
Speaker 1: either trolling like you were saying before. I do think
Speaker 1: that's possible people with the government playing with things and
Speaker 1: we're getting side effects, you know. But like and where
Speaker 1: I'm going with d is like we had a guy
Speaker 1: Leon on our show who plays with orgon and he'll
Speaker 1: he charges it enough to where it's like if he
Speaker 1: puts on the spin cycle on his you know, washing machine,
Speaker 1: he starts getting like weird stuff going on in his house. Ah.
Speaker 1: But like it's even gotten to the point where and
Speaker 1: I don't first if you met the guy, honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's lying. You know, go back and listen
Speaker 1: to the show if you haven't, you know, not you,
Speaker 1: but just people listening. I honestly don't think this guy's
Speaker 1: making this up. And he has actually published papers on orgone.
Speaker 1: So it's like he's not he's not stupid, he's not
Speaker 1: making this scrap up. But he he said, one time
Speaker 1: he had it charged so much that like painters showed
Speaker 1: up at his like kind of at his loft, the
Speaker 1: flat or wherever he lives in this apartment place. And
Speaker 1: you know how like sometimes vans will have like pipes
Speaker 1: on the side of them. You know, they have like
Speaker 1: that thing that they lock into, yeah, pipe, so they'll
Speaker 1: have like things in class or whatever. They had pipes
Speaker 1: in there, but they were standing up. He literally said,
Speaker 1: from the oregone being charged so much. Now at this point,
Speaker 1: now what I'm getting at too, at this point, tell
Speaker 1: me this ain't going into your fucking neighbors. I ain't
Speaker 1: believing it. This shit got all the way out into
Speaker 1: the street, went up into those tubes and since there
Speaker 1: were coppit tubes, started changing the sky because he was
Speaker 1: it's a cloudbuster at this point, and that's what he does.
Speaker 1: He cloudbusts. He makes all those guns and stuff. You
Speaker 1: tell me that stuff. Somebody saw that shit? What the
Speaker 1: fuck you think you're looking at? But it's some dude
Speaker 1: inside his house playing with orgone. You could be next door,
Speaker 1: and you're like, hear and shit fucking he says, if
Speaker 1: he sits next to it and charges it enough, he
Speaker 1: thinks a question, he gets an answer. He hasn't really
Speaker 1: gone into it too much because I think he is
Speaker 1: mind blown by But what what if that's happening to
Speaker 1: you next door? You have no idea. It's just fucking
Speaker 1: doing harmless guy fucking fucking around with his toys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And if the government's playing with that shit, how the
Speaker 1: fuck do we know what it's going on with us?
Speaker 3: Well, all that Oregon stuff is happening in the earth
Speaker 3: as we as we speak right now, So there's a
Speaker 3: lot of different areas that can produce these different types
Speaker 3: of effects that reproducing at his house, you know. So
Speaker 3: a lot of this goes into the geography and the
Speaker 3: way that the energy moves around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. It's interesting because obviously I believe
Speaker 2: in paranormal activity. I believe that there is a spiritual realm.
Speaker 2: I believe that there's beings and entities that may or
Speaker 2: may not can or cannot interact with us, and that
Speaker 2: people have interacted with them. So I'm not negating that
Speaker 2: I talk to people every day who are interfacing with
Speaker 2: these with these things. But I'm loving the way that
Speaker 2: this conversation is going because we rarely get to talk
Speaker 2: about this, and that is that there is also a
Speaker 2: point where, you know, if I was the general of
Speaker 2: an army and I only had ten soldiers, if I
Speaker 2: could get some smoke and mirrors and some lighting and
Speaker 2: some photoshopping, and I could get the enemy to think
Speaker 2: I actually had you know, ten thousand soldiers instead of ten,
Speaker 2: I would utilize that right. And so I do think
Speaker 2: it's not that I don't think that these entities exist
Speaker 2: and that some of them are, you know, not our
Speaker 2: friends and whatnot. But I think if you removed their infrastructure,
Speaker 2: which is all the stuff known and unknown to us,
Speaker 2: like what we're talking about now, the geology, the lay lines,
Speaker 2: the frequencies, the electromagnetic, the five G, the tech, all
Speaker 2: of this stuff, if you took all of the infrastructure away,
Speaker 2: I think that the stuff that was really magical and
Speaker 2: spiritual would be exponentially smaller than we think it is,
Speaker 2: because I think they've built an infrastructure that magnifies their power.
Speaker 1: I've actually have wondered that if if we're actually being
Speaker 1: you're trying to put us into a state where magical
Speaker 1: exfects or magic is actually easy to conduct and that
Speaker 1: some people just experiencing its in the situation.
Speaker 3: This goes into exactly that point, because it's like these
Speaker 3: these different frequencies, these different states that you're being sort
Speaker 3: of projected into, would be the best place for these
Speaker 3: intelligences to hang out, if you know, if they're out there.
Speaker 3: So obviously this is like the playground for all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I think it could go back to resident frequencies,
Speaker 3: Like you were talking about that that very low Hurtz
Speaker 3: ratio usually picks up a resonance within a given room.
Speaker 3: So if you're if you're adding this to the total
Speaker 3: amount of energy in there, you're talking about changing not
Speaker 3: only your perception of that reaction based off of the
Speaker 3: resident frequency of those spaces, but you're talking about actually
Speaker 3: changing the nature of the matter itself. So a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff could come through those specific states simply based
Speaker 3: off of the fact that it produces a much more
Speaker 3: harmonious kind of environment.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, I would love to get your guys'
Speaker 2: take on this. When these two worlds collide, you've got
Speaker 2: technology and you've got technology that's advanced beyond what the
Speaker 2: consumer knows is available, so it will appear magical to them,
Speaker 2: but it really is just tech. But then you do
Speaker 2: have an element of the paranormal now using that technology
Speaker 2: as a conduit. So the paranormal is also involved. And
Speaker 2: so one of the things one of the cases I've
Speaker 2: been really interested in, and I haven't heard too many
Speaker 2: people talk about it, but are you guys familiar with
Speaker 2: the Dottleston case kind of back in the eighties in Wales,
Speaker 2: So hopefully I'm going to piece these details together. This
Speaker 2: was back in the eighties when like it was the
Speaker 2: beginning of the information age, and Margaret Batcher really wanted
Speaker 2: to get computer literacy into all of the schools, and
Speaker 2: so they got a hold of a computer like kind
Speaker 2: of you know, for the classrooms, and they called it
Speaker 2: the BBC Micro. Okay, that was the name of the computer,
Speaker 2: and it was basically you would hook it up to
Speaker 2: a CRT and it was just basic functionality. And they
Speaker 2: had a like a word processing program. I can't remember
Speaker 2: what it was called. It was something very basic, like
Speaker 2: like we call it word It was something like that,
Speaker 2: but you could pull up a basic word processing document
Speaker 2: and then you could save a file and you could
Speaker 2: save a file to your desktop or something like that.
Speaker 2: So this guy, I believe his name was Ken, and
Speaker 2: he was living with his girlfriend named Debbie, and then
Speaker 2: they had a third guy living with them named Nick.
Speaker 2: And so these three guys, Gal and guys. They the
Speaker 2: school that Ken I think his name is, the school
Speaker 2: that he worked at. They had enough of these BBC
Speaker 2: micros that teachers were actually allowed to bring some of
Speaker 2: them home because they wanted to really encourage the teachers
Speaker 2: to interact with them and get to know how to
Speaker 2: use them and be more effective teachers, because computer literacy
Speaker 2: was like the driving force in the eighties. So they
Speaker 2: bring home one of these BBC micros, they go to
Speaker 2: the pub for the night, and they come back and
Speaker 2: there's a saved file on the desktop that nobody wrote,
Speaker 2: and they opened it up and it was just a
Speaker 2: goofy encoded weird, nonsensical kind of a message, and they
Speaker 2: were just like whatever, and deleted it, brought the micro
Speaker 2: back and didn't think anything of it. So a few
Speaker 2: months passed by and they end up borrowing the BBC
Speaker 2: micro again a second time, and it's the same machine
Speaker 2: and same thing happens, they come back and oh and
Speaker 2: I will, I will. This detail is integral. Both times
Speaker 2: when they came home and there was a file saved
Speaker 2: on their desktop that wasn't familiar to them. Both times
Speaker 2: was a time where they neglected to shut the machine
Speaker 2: down before they left, so they left it on, they
Speaker 2: didn't power it down. And that's not so much of
Speaker 2: a big deal now, but back in the eighties, if
Speaker 2: you had a computer, you shut it down every time,
Speaker 2: and so when they didn't, these messages would so long
Speaker 2: story short, they started communicating with the man who lived
Speaker 2: on their property in the fifteen hundreds, and it was
Speaker 2: a man from the past, and he called the BBC
Speaker 2: micro like the box of lights, but in weird like
Speaker 2: old Anglo Saxon English, right, And what he claimed was
Speaker 2: that someone named two one oh nine came from the
Speaker 2: future and dropped this box off in his fifteen you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds farmhouse. And how he got that thing to
Speaker 2: work where he plugged it in, god only knows. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But so they were all communicating with two
Speaker 2: to one oh nine from the future. And I can't
Speaker 2: remember what the guy's name was. It was l somebody
Speaker 2: from the past, from the fifteen hundreds, and that can
Speaker 2: all easily be chalked off now to remote desktop, somebody
Speaker 2: messing with them. Easily. We could do that. If we
Speaker 2: had the technology, we could hack into our friends computer
Speaker 2: and screw with them. It'd be great, it'd be so
Speaker 2: much fun. But what's interesting about the Doddalston case is,
Speaker 2: and this kind of goes back to that if you
Speaker 2: build it, they will come. They established communication with this
Speaker 2: two one oh nine, so they willingly permitted this. They
Speaker 2: entered into willing communication with whatever two one o nine was,
Speaker 2: whatever whatever this was. You could chalk it all off
Speaker 2: to tech manipul except for the fact that Debbie, the girlfriend,
Speaker 2: started experiencing extreme paranormal activity where things were moving around
Speaker 2: in the house. She was painting one of the rooms,
Speaker 2: and she would come in and there would be footprints
Speaker 2: all over on the floor. They became so afraid of
Speaker 2: this house that they actually moved out. They still owned
Speaker 2: the house, but they moved out. They couldn't live in
Speaker 2: it anymore. And Debbie was developing this whole past life
Speaker 2: that she had had with one of these computer personalities,
Speaker 2: kind of like a repressed old life was coming out
Speaker 2: and she was talking about the dates that they had
Speaker 2: been on and there was other paranormal activity like hair
Speaker 2: pulling and whatever. So here we have a situation where
Speaker 2: there probably was a tech infrastructure, there probably was some
Speaker 2: human intervention and experimentation with early remote desktop and things
Speaker 2: like that, but the way that it was presented was
Speaker 2: to foist it upon humans who didn't know they were
Speaker 2: part of the experiment. And it also gave birth to
Speaker 2: a larger paranormal experience. And Ken ended up writing a
Speaker 2: book about it, and it ended up sort of having
Speaker 2: an influence into the collective consciousness of did something from
Speaker 2: the past or did some sort of spirit speak to
Speaker 2: them through this box? Or was it just the tech
Speaker 2: or was it a little bit of both. And that's
Speaker 2: that's where I'm curious, is where do these two worlds collide.
Speaker 2: And when you take away the tech and the frequency
Speaker 2: and all the things that they know how to manipulate,
Speaker 2: at what point do we still keep our minds open
Speaker 2: that there are entities that can ride on the coattails
Speaker 2: of all of this experimentation and this toying in this
Speaker 2: tech and use it to their advantage as open doors
Speaker 2: of access to communicate with us, because I think that
Speaker 2: they do want to communicate with us, and I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people out there that want to
Speaker 2: be communicated with. And so it's interesting to me how
Speaker 2: we're in this new era where instead of the more
Speaker 2: religious conduits and tools like Luigi boards and the different
Speaker 2: things that we used to use for communication, it's now
Speaker 2: turning into technology. And you can go all the way
Speaker 2: into the chat GPTs and the sentient you know, AI
Speaker 2: and all this stuff that this is the direction that
Speaker 2: we're going. And I do think that the divination of
Speaker 2: the future is going to be far more technical than
Speaker 2: it is magical.
Speaker 3: Well, we do see a lot of that going on
Speaker 3: within the ghost talktic communities. They're turning more to these
Speaker 3: radio frequencies that pick up words based on true.
Speaker 1: Spirit box stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Good point. Yes, yes, those things.
Speaker 3: Are freaking man. Yeah, it's that much different these computers
Speaker 3: and these cell phones. I mean, that's all they're dealing
Speaker 3: with frequency. So I mean, how much of that is
Speaker 3: open circuitry being translated in there? How much of that
Speaker 3: is the remote desktop idea? I know, if you're talking
Speaker 3: about Thatcher's time period, I don't think there was any
Speaker 3: Internet back then, so not.
Speaker 2: That we knew, not that the deplorables knew about No Vicky.
Speaker 4: Your case reminds me of everything from Charles back who
Speaker 4: invented first analytical differential system back in eighteen twenty two,
Speaker 4: when it was claimed that he evinated of being potentially
Speaker 4: the devil and attempted to make contact, and that he
Speaker 4: gave them He gave him, I guess, kind of like
Speaker 4: a blueprint of how to tap in to an electrical
Speaker 4: side or some sort of create a conduit to tap
Speaker 4: into another realm or whatever to kind of make this communication.
Speaker 4: And so when you hear the story of Charles Babbage
Speaker 4: and then with that case, it reminds me of get
Speaker 4: his name, I always mispronounced it, Jordy.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the D wave computing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he claims that eventually it will allow them
Speaker 4: to speak to the old ones, the Lovecraftian old ones,
Speaker 4: and so have this this type of energy type frequencies
Speaker 4: that you're tapping into for the sake of communication.
Speaker 2: It begs the whole bringing.
Speaker 4: Up the Robert Monroe of tapping into different frequencies and
Speaker 4: all the patents that exist for frequency technology, looking at waves,
Speaker 4: looking at theta waves, looking at all kinds of brain
Speaker 4: manipulation with these frequencies that you could potentially not only
Speaker 4: tap into a creative realm or maybe like a paranormal realm,
Speaker 4: but also a realm to where you can dip in
Speaker 4: and out of, you know, however, want to manipulate the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I do think. Well, this is the way
Speaker 2: that they're introducing it to us. How much control we
Speaker 2: really have? But when you when you talk about noetic sovereignty,
Speaker 2: this is the big AI kind of conversation. Now, how
Speaker 2: much control over my cerebral intellectual property am I going
Speaker 2: to control? Is this going to be a total recall
Speaker 2: thing where I go in and I get to choose
Speaker 2: where I shift and my realities? Or do you have
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of pre programmed stuff and you're just
Speaker 2: shoving in the trip to the Bermuda, you know, the
Speaker 2: you know Bahamas and you're shoving in the you know,
Speaker 2: you just got married to a celebrity. Like, how much
Speaker 2: noetic sovereignty are we going to have?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: What's interesting? I just did a podcast I don't even
Speaker 2: think it's released yet because we just recorded it with
Speaker 2: the Christian Theological dark Web. I believe it's called with
Speaker 2: Ricky Lee and Shelley Allman, and we talked the whole
Speaker 2: time about the Halo, which is this new device that's
Speaker 2: in a prototype model now and it's two young guys.
Speaker 2: I think Eric Wohlberg is one of the creators of this.
Speaker 2: He's working with some people that used to work for
Speaker 2: Musk's neural Lace technology. And it's this headband that you
Speaker 2: were at night, and it does not induce or create
Speaker 2: lucid dreams, but through pulses, it picks up when you
Speaker 2: get into ram and it picks up when you are
Speaker 2: having a moment of lucidity, and it will extend that
Speaker 2: time of lucidity for you. And of course it's all
Speaker 2: based upon the shoulders of Robert Monroe's work and the
Speaker 2: Hemi sink technology, the brain entrainment and all these bi
Speaker 2: moral beats and all that stuff. But it's interesting how
Speaker 2: we are now getting into these realms. And the name
Speaker 2: of the prototype because they're calling it the Halo now
Speaker 2: and the name of the company is Prophetic, so Prophetic
Speaker 2: AI and they've got all of these little hat tips
Speaker 2: in the name. It's a Halo by Prophetic, and the
Speaker 2: interface that you work with that hooks to the headband
Speaker 2: is called the totem. You know, So we've got inception
Speaker 2: kind of ideas now too as well. But what's interesting
Speaker 2: is the prototype for this halo was called the Morpheus one.
Speaker 2: And so some people will think of the matrix, but
Speaker 2: other people will think obviously of Morpheus, the god of
Speaker 2: sleep and dreams. But what's really interesting is if you
Speaker 2: go beyond that, the actual Morpheus, which we get from
Speaker 2: Ovid's book, right, the Greek word that's based on is morphae,
Speaker 2: and morphe does not mean sleep or dream or conscious
Speaker 2: or rest or anything of the like. Morphe means fashioner,
Speaker 2: and it means to form or to shape. And so
Speaker 2: if you're going to talk about my nooetic sovereignty, but
Speaker 2: you're going to all this device Morpheus, which is some
Speaker 2: sort of a god that can form and shape my conscience,
Speaker 2: who does have the sovereignty in this situation? And I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of one of the ethical debates that's
Speaker 2: going on now in the tech realm when it comes
Speaker 2: to lucid dreaming or reality shifting as the young'ins call
Speaker 2: it now. But you know, how do I know even
Speaker 2: when I'm lucid and I'm allegedly calling the shots. How
Speaker 2: are you going to assure me with all of this
Speaker 2: technology and potential dream characters that they sort of nebulously
Speaker 2: call it. How do I know that when all of
Speaker 2: these frequencies are pulsing in my head at night and
Speaker 2: I'm running into dream characters that I'm now communicating with,
Speaker 2: coming into agreement with, giving invitation to How, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day do I really know I'm still
Speaker 2: maintaining my noetic sovereignty when I'm potentially in a world
Speaker 2: that I am not a cit of enough. How do
Speaker 2: I get all of my ethical rights as a human
Speaker 2: being on someone else's turf? And these are some questions
Speaker 2: that they're going to really have to answer, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that they're prepared to answer them quite yet.
Speaker 2: They're just running excitedly down, barreling down the train track
Speaker 2: because they have the technology, because they can do it.
Speaker 2: But I think some of the foundational questions haven't been
Speaker 2: answered yet.
Speaker 4: Didn't some of the people that participated in the prototype
Speaker 4: claim that it halo the prototype, that it created false
Speaker 4: profits for them, and that it was prophetic and that
Speaker 4: it was predicting things. Yes, ye vaguely remember because I
Speaker 4: remember when that came about, because it was right about
Speaker 4: the time when I believe there were certain industries that
Speaker 4: were pain patents to be able to download what is
Speaker 4: it called commercials into your brain during sleep. Oh no,
Speaker 4: remember that. I don't know if you remember that, but
Speaker 4: they were fine kill me now. This prototype thing we
Speaker 4: have dreams of, like gelett me.
Speaker 2: Was one of them. You're in You're in that dream
Speaker 2: and like you're right about you're right at the part
Speaker 2: we interrupt.
Speaker 1: This, We interrupt this dream.
Speaker 2: Grandpa's back.
Speaker 3: Strata of media invading your dreams? What a nightmare?
Speaker 2: Dude? Who who?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: You know? Something? When you were saying before about it,
Speaker 1: I guess kind of like I guess you're kind of saying, like,
Speaker 1: is your idea? Is really your own? This is China.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the name. Now. I do want to
Speaker 1: try to get him on. I honestly think unfortunately the
Speaker 1: shows two occult to the guy, but he really has
Speaker 1: some real good work, like putting he'd be putting out
Speaker 1: microphones out in different areas, in caves outside the woods
Speaker 1: all over and let's it record, and then he throws
Speaker 1: it in this thing and goes and picks up this stuff.
Speaker 1: There is legit specific stuff being said in the airways
Speaker 1: that you can pick up and hear. Wow. But it's
Speaker 1: just like when it comes to this, like people who
Speaker 1: are schizophrenic, are they really hearing something actually that's actually
Speaker 1: really there? How do you know the pills that they're
Speaker 1: taking doesn't make them more successible to the ship that's
Speaker 1: out there? They do?
Speaker 2: They do? And it's like, is it the cover story
Speaker 2: for the people? Like I always love to quote this
Speaker 2: because man, as a writer, there's always those things that
Speaker 2: you read and you're like, oh, I didn't I write that?
Speaker 1: It was so there was this guy pulled. It was
Speaker 1: specific too. You clearly heard it saying specific things. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even like, oh, trying to figure out you.
Speaker 2: Know the I love the opening paragraph of Call of
Speaker 2: Cthulhu and Lisa. You had mentioned Lovecraft earlier. Basically that
Speaker 2: sentence or two in a nutshell is humans are on
Speaker 2: this island, this placid island of ignorance. And the reason
Speaker 2: that their ignorance is because all of the sciences, which
Speaker 2: used to be one collective quantum entangled puzzle all put together,
Speaker 2: has been blasted and the puzzle pieces have all strained
Speaker 2: so far away in so many directions that no one
Speaker 2: understands anymore that all of the pieces used to connect.
Speaker 2: Science does have to do with math, and math does
Speaker 2: have to do with reading, and it does have to
Speaker 2: do with language and spelling and history. This stuff is
Speaker 2: and what we have now is we're living in a
Speaker 2: world where we have brains in our head that are
Speaker 2: pattern recognition systems. That's the way our brains work. We
Speaker 2: recognize patterns. And we're now in a place where when
Speaker 2: people start to recognize patterns, they're connecting dots that supposedly
Speaker 2: don't connect. So what happens, we're called crazy. You're connecting
Speaker 2: all these dots that has nothing to do with each other.
Speaker 2: But that's our brain is designed to recognize patterns, and
Speaker 2: it's hard for us to recognize patterns because in America
Speaker 2: we were on a linear We do things chronologically. We
Speaker 2: read and we write and we report news. We gather
Speaker 2: our information linear on a linear scale. But if you
Speaker 2: go to Hebraic thought, if you go to Asian thought,
Speaker 2: we've got circular logic. Over here, we've got compartmentalized or
Speaker 2: block logic in the Semitics. And so if we compartmentalized
Speaker 2: our information in blocks or categories or pigeonholes instead of
Speaker 2: linear we would connect far more dots because instead of
Speaker 2: the language exactly, it.
Speaker 3: Is encoded in these different like these different pigeonholes. And
Speaker 3: it made sense of the universe by making these associations exactly.
Speaker 2: And we lose the ability to make those associations when
Speaker 2: we only live eighty years and we don't know what
Speaker 2: happened one hundred years ago week we don't. Let's put
Speaker 2: every plague that ever happened together in one category. Now
Speaker 2: we can see all the commonalities, but we can't because
Speaker 2: we only remember one of them because it was only
Speaker 2: our lifetime, and maybe Grandpa told us about another one.
Speaker 2: So all this to say sorry really quick.
Speaker 4: That reminds me of the movie Arrival whenever us the
Speaker 4: circular language and how it completely reshaped her brain and
Speaker 4: allowed her to be able to see more connections in
Speaker 4: more things than she could when she's just on a
Speaker 4: linear timeline or a linear language. And exactly the thing
Speaker 4: is that they have kind of not dumbed us down,
Speaker 4: but made it so simplistic in the way that we
Speaker 4: look at things that by removing this circular form or
Speaker 4: block form of language, they have almost shut down that part.
Speaker 4: We're help to be able to make the connection. Sorry,
Speaker 4: dont mean to interrupt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, perfectly said that. You've perfectly said that. And
Speaker 2: what's really interesting is Lovecraft goes on to say that
Speaker 2: one day, when we piece all this information back together,
Speaker 2: you're going to have two options. This was the first
Speaker 2: original way of saying red bill, blue pill. Right. Your
Speaker 2: two options are you're either going to take the blue
Speaker 2: pill and just kind of comatosely zombie state, enter into
Speaker 2: the New Dark Age and you're going to like it
Speaker 2: whether you like it or not. Or does anyone remember
Speaker 2: the second option? If you don't want to go with
Speaker 2: the New Dark Age? Anyone, anyone, you go mad, you
Speaker 2: get a schizophrenia label. And that's where we're at. If
Speaker 2: you have the ability need to peace disassociated knowledge together
Speaker 2: that isn't disassociated, but it's ahead of the angenda, you
Speaker 2: will get a mental illness label.
Speaker 1: That's that's even where like where I even go with
Speaker 1: when I've had magical experiences, I said, I could see
Speaker 1: how people might think that this schizophrenic, or they could
Speaker 1: be deemed schizophrenic if maybe they got stuck in one
Speaker 1: for too long and sort of telling people the wrong
Speaker 1: people about it, but like because because it is almost
Speaker 1: like just from my experience, it's like I think you're
Speaker 1: saying it before, and I've said it in so many
Speaker 1: ways myself. I feel like you kind of get rewired
Speaker 1: and things start making sense that never made sense in
Speaker 1: your head before. You will like even see images of
Speaker 1: things somehow. Like it's almost like if somebody's putting cards
Speaker 1: down like you're and you understood how all of them
Speaker 1: connected or something. It's it's hard to explain, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really weird. And like I and you
Speaker 1: almost you have ideas that are almost so loud that
Speaker 1: it's as if somebody is talking to you, but you're
Speaker 1: not really hearing a voice, but it's like a shouting
Speaker 1: like knowing ahead. And it's really weird. And I could see,
Speaker 1: like I could see that getting confused maybe sometimes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, here's the irony too. So let's look at this.
Speaker 2: Let's take the diamond and turn it and look at
Speaker 2: a different facet for a moment. Let's look at this
Speaker 2: now through an eschatological lens. So eschatology the study of
Speaker 2: the end of all things or the reset you know,
Speaker 2: in biblical terms, this would be revelation, you know, prophetic
Speaker 2: end times kind of stuff. Daniel, who lived in the
Speaker 2: Babylonian Empire during the time of one of the dispersions,
Speaker 2: when they were brought to Babylon, he had all these
Speaker 2: prophetic visions, right, and he wrote them down and we're
Speaker 2: still waiting for them to happen because they were predictions
Speaker 2: of the end times and a lot of what Daniel
Speaker 2: was a lot of what got downloaded into Daniel's brain,
Speaker 2: and those visions were confirmed because John the Revelator saw
Speaker 2: the same things. So here's the deal. Here's what's really fascinating.
Speaker 2: Here's where I'm going with this. We aren't allowed to
Speaker 2: understand arcane knowledge, right, We're not allowed to have that information.
Speaker 2: We're not allowed to connect dots. We're not allowed to
Speaker 2: collect allegedly dissociated knowledge and put the pieces back together.
Speaker 2: And if we try to, we will be shadow band,
Speaker 2: will be labeled crazy, will be shut down, our YouTube
Speaker 2: channel will get deleted, will get sick, will be suicided,
Speaker 2: whatever happens. Right, But here's the deal. Answer the exactly
Speaker 2: the fourth beast that rises from the sea, who will
Speaker 2: maintain global power and control interestingly, do you know what
Speaker 2: he is known for? And why do people revere him?
Speaker 2: Don't He understands dark sayings? So he's allowed to put
Speaker 2: all the disassociated knowledge back together into a big puzzle
Speaker 2: and look like the genius. And so we're stealing his
Speaker 2: thunder if we start figuring it out, because stupid human
Speaker 2: beings can't know the knowledge that this great fourth beast
Speaker 2: that rises us to know. But what's interesting is Lovecraft
Speaker 2: says that when disassociated knowledge comes back together, you're either
Speaker 2: going to accept it and like it, or you're going
Speaker 2: to go crazy.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I get at with the magical experience.
Speaker 1: I've even said this once on Twitter, that sometimes you
Speaker 1: may get answers to questions you didn't fucking ask or
Speaker 1: even want to ask. And that shit can fuck with
Speaker 1: your head.
Speaker 2: It can, you know, similar to heavy is the head
Speaker 2: that wears the crown right, And this is a good example.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that, actually, Nick, because Daniel, who
Speaker 2: had all of these visions of the end that he
Speaker 2: did not ask for either, he was physically ill for
Speaker 2: weeks after getting these visions. He was physically ill. And
Speaker 2: this is the thing, this is where I find it interesting.
Speaker 2: When you are traveling in church circles, there's always those
Speaker 2: people that will announce to you I am a prophet,
Speaker 2: I have the gift of prophecy. If you go to church,
Speaker 2: you know at least ten people who believe they have
Speaker 2: a gift of prophecy, right, but what they fail to
Speaker 2: do and any one of us, if you've had a
Speaker 2: lot of sleep paralysis, or you've been pulled out of
Speaker 2: your body, or you've been in the astral realm, you
Speaker 2: will notice that once that has happened, you're pretty chronically
Speaker 2: fatigued for the next couple of days. You're tired, you're drained,
Speaker 2: you're confused, you're kind of looking over your shoulder like
Speaker 2: you're in a very frenetic emotional state. And when people
Speaker 2: come up to me and say I have a gift
Speaker 2: of prophecy, and I had this stream and this and
Speaker 2: he said that, and he said this, and this is
Speaker 2: gonna be great. Like you're too cavalier, you're too cheering,
Speaker 2: and you got way too much energy.
Speaker 1: I've said that because I said caring dancing around you ever, see,
Speaker 1: like when people have that start dancing, karment that they
Speaker 1: had is spirit you know, spiritual awakening. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be not not that fucking happy.
Speaker 2: You would not You'd be more freaked out, you'd be
Speaker 2: a little more humbled, you'd be introspective. And even even
Speaker 2: the movies give this away when here's here's a good
Speaker 2: example and stranger things. Every time Elle is put in
Speaker 2: the water and she has the halo put on and
Speaker 2: she you know, remote views, she comes back drained and upset,
Speaker 2: she's got a nosebleed. She doesn't want to do this.
Speaker 2: Every time she's told she has to go into the tank,
Speaker 2: it's it's psychologically traumatizing for her. So anybody that says that, oh,
Speaker 2: I interface with all these beings and love and like
Speaker 2: everything's great and they're doing jumping jacks and stuff, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know who you were interfacing with because the
Speaker 2: examples that we have in especially in the scriptures, but
Speaker 2: other places as well, when you're really interfacing with these beings,
Speaker 2: there is an emotional, mental, psychological drain. And if you're
Speaker 2: interfacing with them often over a period of time or
Speaker 2: your whole life, or you know, I talk to people
Speaker 2: and I myself as well. I had sleep paralysis for
Speaker 2: over forty years. I still have it every now and then.
Speaker 2: But when that happens to you, it has a mental, physical, emotional, psychological,
Speaker 2: spiritual effect on you and the way you think and
Speaker 2: the way you speak and the way So these are
Speaker 2: the kind of signs I look for when I'm looking
Speaker 2: for authenticity in someone's experiences.
Speaker 1: No, uh, I was doing is there was something earlier before.
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about experiences and how people would
Speaker 1: like kind of like you know, if you get enough witnesses,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd almost be kind of like just you know,
Speaker 1: becomes real. I guess just they and like you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day. I mean, I'll even use I'll
Speaker 1: use this one as an example because we covered her
Speaker 1: like Hildegarde, Saint Hildegard. You know, she had these visions
Speaker 1: and eventually the Vatican took it into consideration and sent
Speaker 1: somebody all the way to go see her to actually
Speaker 1: hear what these things were. And obviously must have been
Speaker 1: something that checked off enough checkboxes the Vatican to say
Speaker 1: this lady had an experience. You know, I do think
Speaker 1: there is certain things that happen when you have these experiences,
Speaker 1: shared shared experiences, you know, I think it is something eventually,
Speaker 1: if you have this experience, it's like tapping into consciousness
Speaker 1: and at that point everybody has that same experience to
Speaker 1: an extent.
Speaker 4: Yah, and speaking to your point of Hildegard, Hildegard is
Speaker 4: regarded as a polymath, and if you look at these
Speaker 4: polymouth exactly what you've said, VICKI, this is the moment
Speaker 4: in time when an actual human being is peeping all
Speaker 4: of the disciplines together, mathematics, physics, mysticism, science, music, botany,
Speaker 4: whatever it is, they're all together within their brain and
Speaker 4: making these analogy correlations and then outputting something like Hildegard
Speaker 4: did and having these mystical experiences. And like Nick, you
Speaker 4: were saying, she was always exhausted, she was always you know,
Speaker 4: she was starving, she was not sleeping, she wasn't eating,
Speaker 4: she was out completely.
Speaker 3: Have you heard have you heard the telepathy tapes yet?
Speaker 3: You need to listen to that because that is right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because thepathy tapes is talking about these kids with autism
Speaker 3: that have it. I guess it would be a sensory
Speaker 3: disorder so much so that they can't talk right, And
Speaker 3: so they assumed that these kids were incapable of communication.
Speaker 3: But what they found is that they can type, and
Speaker 3: so these kids have actually been typing really amazing things
Speaker 3: that show that what they have is purely on the outside.
Speaker 3: There is something very found going on on the inside.
Speaker 3: And what that has shown is that these kids actually
Speaker 3: have the ability to read their parents' minds and able
Speaker 3: to respond before actual stimulus and all the rest of
Speaker 3: this stuff as well.
Speaker 4: I've ever heard the tapes, But you're absolutely right in
Speaker 4: that what we perceived autism as being slow is actually autism.
Speaker 4: Autism is actually fast, and that they are perceiving everything.
Speaker 3: It's such a.
Speaker 4: That the sign overload, right, is an actual symptom of
Speaker 4: the fact of the overstimulation. It's almost not not akin
Speaker 4: to it, but it's kind of like you take a
Speaker 4: human voice and you run it through like whatever. However,
Speaker 4: mathematical calculation, if you were to speed up the sound
Speaker 4: of a whale, it would sound like a human being speaking.
Speaker 4: If you were to slow down the sound of a
Speaker 4: macaw I'm not sorry, of a chimpanzee, it would actually
Speaker 4: sound like human being speaking.
Speaker 2: And it's all.
Speaker 4: Based on frequencies that if you just slow them down
Speaker 4: or speed them up. And the same thing with autism
Speaker 4: is that they're perceiving things. It's such a high fast rate.
Speaker 4: It's not that they're slow, it's the opposite of it.
Speaker 3: The most common identifiable symptom that all of these kids
Speaker 3: have is synesthesia.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 4: Between what is it, perceptions of certain things that overlap
Speaker 4: with each other. Correct, Yes, that is what they have.
Speaker 4: And it's almost like usually every single autistic child or
Speaker 4: person has something that they are a genius in which
Speaker 4: does not Genius itself does not happen often in the
Speaker 4: normal human mind.
Speaker 3: You know, normal being.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't have another word for it, but
Speaker 4: when you look at an autistic functioning brain, you do
Speaker 4: have genius happening much more often in whatever field that
Speaker 4: they do become a genius sin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something about that sensory area.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 3: Once you've sort of started messing with that sensory area,
Speaker 3: it throws off the outside world while turning on something
Speaker 3: on the inside. I mean, you see that happening with
Speaker 3: blind people who can, you know, listen their way around
Speaker 3: a room just by making clicks. You know, these things
Speaker 3: happen in the sensory area more so than anywhere else.
Speaker 3: And that goes back to what you were saying, Nick,
Speaker 3: about the eyes being this powerful shaper of the soul.
Speaker 1: You know, just something I do when I add to this.
Speaker 1: And I know I've I've said on the show a
Speaker 1: few times, I've joked about it in certain ways, but
Speaker 1: I remember the time when I, you know, I've explained
Speaker 1: like one time, I kind of like pushed it. I
Speaker 1: fucked around with magic like three times within like a
Speaker 1: you know, very close to each other. I did it
Speaker 1: three times kind of back to back, and I was
Speaker 1: like I was pretty twisted to an extent, like mentally
Speaker 1: to I guess, and it was to the point to
Speaker 1: where I couldn't have a text conversation. It was impossible
Speaker 1: because if you were looked at it after I pushed send,
Speaker 1: you'd realize, like there was so much thought that I
Speaker 1: thought I typed and just couldn't do it fast enough
Speaker 1: and it just made no sense. But in my head,
Speaker 1: I knew what I was saying, and like even like
Speaker 1: even really trying to talk to anybody like physically, I
Speaker 1: had to like really kind of like control myself to
Speaker 1: make it sound normal because it like literally I felt
Speaker 1: like I was just stuck at a different speed. It
Speaker 1: just wasn't making sense, and I was like, yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: This was like fucking motistic peoples. Like I was like,
Speaker 1: cause it's just like I would make no sense to somebody,
Speaker 1: and if I started telling them the ideas that I
Speaker 1: had in my head, they were like, oh, dude, you're crazy,
Speaker 1: Like you're stuck on like some math fucking thing right now,
Speaker 1: or like you know, you're going through like all these
Speaker 1: weird associations, you know, just like weird shit that you know,
Speaker 1: someone autistic would be able to pull out of their
Speaker 1: ass out of nowhere and just run with you. You
Speaker 1: will find yourself like that, possibly with a kabala if
Speaker 1: you have a magical experience, oh that you just say,
Speaker 1: shit will just like diarrhea of thoughts and you can't
Speaker 1: like spin it out. It seems to speep and it's
Speaker 1: it's very uh, it's very annoying and uncomfortable. But I
Speaker 1: remember that, like literally I had to like even not
Speaker 1: try to talk to people for like a day or
Speaker 1: two through text because I was just like I can't
Speaker 1: even make sense.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: Download right, so like a download of information is it's yeah.
Speaker 1: It's even like your thoughts so like the speed of
Speaker 1: a download at that point too, And it's like as
Speaker 1: to this fact. Yeah, it's very weird. It's very weird, Picky.
Speaker 4: I had a question you were talking about going back
Speaker 4: a little bit back to sleep paralysis, that it only
Speaker 4: happens in RM, and that that be the jumping off point,
Speaker 4: or that that would be the point of that. I
Speaker 4: guess it is most easily able to I guess astrallly
Speaker 4: have that experience.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: A couple of questions.
Speaker 4: Is it linked to I know it's linked to ARAM,
Speaker 4: but is it linked to time at night?
Speaker 2: Does it happen between the hours of like two to four?
Speaker 4: Ortisol is has not only tapered off, but is beginning
Speaker 4: to pick back up because it's getting ready to wake
Speaker 4: you to you know, start your day. One is the
Speaker 4: first question. And then is there a difference between male
Speaker 4: and female that get sleep paralysis? Does one gender, well,
Speaker 4: you know whatever, male or female experience it more often
Speaker 4: than the other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, the time question, that's a great question. We
Speaker 2: all know. In antiquity they talked about the witching hours,
Speaker 2: the twelve to three right, And it's interesting, so that's
Speaker 2: the third watch of the night in biblical language. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: it was the fourth watch of the night. It was
Speaker 2: the beginning of the fourth watch of the night, so
Speaker 2: we're probably talking about the tail end of the witching hours,
Speaker 2: probably three four am. This is when the disciples saw
Speaker 2: Jesus walking on the water towards the boat, and their
Speaker 2: immediate first assumption was that it was a ghost, probably
Speaker 2: because of the hour there was the witching hour. Now,
Speaker 2: it's interesting about twelve to three. A lot of people
Speaker 2: talk about this phenomenon happening at midnight or three am.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting that in prior centuries people
Speaker 2: had first and second sleeps. They practiced by phasic sleep.
Speaker 2: For some reason, they wanted to be awake between twelve
Speaker 2: and three, and the official narrative is like, hey, it
Speaker 2: just had to do with The official narrative makes no
Speaker 2: sense because it talks about how the only reason that
Speaker 2: we don't do my phasic sleep anymore is because of
Speaker 2: the invention of the electric light. But you know, if
Speaker 2: they were up between twelve and three before electric light
Speaker 2: and they were having productive hours in candle light, you know,
Speaker 2: so there it says online, you know when you do
Speaker 2: the research that people were cooking and visiting neighbors and
Speaker 2: playing games and whatever. But if you go into the
Speaker 2: deep like liturgical research. The religious people were up between
Speaker 2: twelve and three praying and evaluating their dreams, and so
Speaker 2: there might have been more of an aspect of spiritual
Speaker 2: warfare there, like, Hey, if this is the witching hour,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be up, I'm going to be so reminded,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be vigilant. I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: abducted out of my brain. I'm just speculating. I'm just
Speaker 2: theorizing because it's interesting to see kind of why that
Speaker 2: went out. But to answer your question, I don't think
Speaker 2: that it is limited anymore to the times of the
Speaker 2: day because people during a nap, if you're in a
Speaker 2: deep sleep, or you're jet lagged, or you're stressed, or
Speaker 2: you're in a deep sleep, deep meditative state, that can
Speaker 2: still happen. It's really more dependent on an altered state
Speaker 2: of consciousness because sleep proalysis can also happen. It's important
Speaker 2: to differentiate the sleep paralysis experience, which happens in an
Speaker 2: altered state of consciousness, usually the hypnopopic or the hypnogogic,
Speaker 2: where you're falling asleep or coming out of sleep, whereas
Speaker 2: the astral projection and the astral abductions are happening in
Speaker 2: the rim because they are different experiences. But by way
Speaker 2: of cortisol levels and everything going on in the brain
Speaker 2: and the brain waking up, the brain doesn't just wake
Speaker 2: up at certain times. It wakes up because the sun
Speaker 2: is getting through the eyelids and it's penetrating, and that's
Speaker 2: sending messages to the brain that hey, the sun is up,
Speaker 2: and so I'm going to adjust the melatonin. But we
Speaker 2: now live in a culture where most of us stay
Speaker 2: up till one, two three in the morning with a
Speaker 2: blue light shining right in our face. We've got a
Speaker 2: laptop or whatever, so our brains are so confused at
Speaker 2: this point. It's even though it's not as intense as
Speaker 2: the blue light of the sun, it is blue light.
Speaker 2: And so when you're up all night. This is why
Speaker 2: a lot of us get really hungry and we want
Speaker 2: to snack at midnight, and because the blue light is
Speaker 2: sending the message to the brain that it's morning, and
Speaker 2: so it's flipping all of the breakfast time switches on.
Speaker 2: So you're getting hungry because we're completely screwing up with
Speaker 2: our circadian rhythm and our brain functionality. So I don't
Speaker 2: think it is dependent upon those witching hours anymore. One
Speaker 2: of the most recent, very terrifying astral encounters I had
Speaker 2: where I interfaced with several frightening dream characters and I
Speaker 2: woke up and granted, we don't know. To us, it
Speaker 2: feels like instant, Like we have a dream and we
Speaker 2: wake up, it feels instant. And maybe there were hours
Speaker 2: in between the end of the dream and when we
Speaker 2: woke up. But I woke up and it was like
Speaker 2: eleven in the afternoon because I had slept in I'd
Speaker 2: been up all night and so it wasn't like the
Speaker 2: three am, you know. So I don't think it's as
Speaker 2: dependent upon time anymore as it used to be. Now,
Speaker 2: I do think that if you're dealing with human entities,
Speaker 2: if you're dealing with remote viewers or practitioners of witchcraft
Speaker 2: who are astral projecting their reliant upon those timelines, because
Speaker 2: they're banking on when you're asleep and whatnot. I recently
Speaker 2: had somebody right to me, and I'd never heard this before.
Speaker 2: He said, do you ever get the popping in your ear?
Speaker 2: Like at two three in the morning? And I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I haven't, And to headless giants point earlier. Can something
Speaker 2: start happening as soon as you've heard about it for
Speaker 2: the first time, Like, what if I've never heard of
Speaker 2: this before. He told me that the powers that be
Speaker 2: this is more of a militarized, targeted individual remote viewing scenario.
Speaker 2: He said, there's something about the popping in the ear
Speaker 2: where they're testing to see if you're awake or asleep,
Speaker 2: because if you're not asleep yet, they're not going to
Speaker 2: activate their programming or whatever. And it was interesting because
Speaker 2: I had never experienced it and I didn't know what
Speaker 2: he was talking about. And a couple days after getting
Speaker 2: that email, I started using the popping in my ears.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is interesting sugget power of suggestion, right,
Speaker 2: But as far as the male and female, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I get lots of emails from both and they
Speaker 2: might be different experiences. And yet, you know, we might
Speaker 2: have skewed statistics. It might statistically look like more women
Speaker 2: have this experience, or more women have the incubist experience
Speaker 2: like the spirit spouse and the rape demons and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. But I think that has more to do
Speaker 2: with women are more willing to talk about their experiences,
Speaker 2: whereas men are more like, I'm not going to look
Speaker 2: like a crazy person. And so because of where we're
Speaker 2: at now with the Internet with emails, I do get
Speaker 2: a lot of emails from males as well, and I
Speaker 2: will tell you that they're getting as many of those
Speaker 2: rape dreams that as the women are. They just don't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Because it's not like in the movies where it's this
Speaker 2: like great, you know better than human sex, you know, Twilight,
Speaker 2: Edward Cullen, glitter Boy, Right. No, it's like these are shaming,
Speaker 2: violating rape scenarios that are being talked about. This isn't,
Speaker 2: you know, honeymoon stuff that's being talked about. So I
Speaker 2: do believe that it happens not only as much to
Speaker 2: men and women, but you'd be surprised that it happens
Speaker 2: to very young children. And I get emails on a
Speaker 2: daily basis from people saying, I've had this since three
Speaker 2: or four years old. I remember having this in my
Speaker 2: crib like, because you tend to remember traumatic memories, and
Speaker 2: so what I think a lot of people don't realize
Speaker 2: is this happens to very very, very very young children,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately it's hard to get a finger on that pulse,
Speaker 2: because if you have a toddler who's crying at night
Speaker 2: and all they're going to say is I had a
Speaker 2: bad dream, you're not going to explore that further. And
Speaker 2: then we live in a culture where when we have
Speaker 2: kids that are trying as best as they can in
Speaker 2: their limited life experience to explain to mom and dad
Speaker 2: something is going on. Mom, I'm scared. I don't want
Speaker 2: to go to bed. Can I sleep with the light on?
Speaker 2: Can I sleep with you? I saw red eyes, there's
Speaker 2: a monster under my bed. And we are just again programmed.
Speaker 2: Parents are programmed. It's just a dream. It's just a dream.
Speaker 2: Don't be scared, you know, And so we write a
Speaker 2: lot of that off, probably because we don't want to
Speaker 2: scare the kid. We probably don't want to be scared either.
Speaker 2: But you know, if your kid is all of a
Speaker 2: sudden terrified of going to bed and it's keeping themselves
Speaker 2: awake at all hours of the night, and it's affecting
Speaker 2: their sleep, and it's affecting their you know, emotional and
Speaker 2: mental health, there's a point where maybe you should explore
Speaker 2: and medication and melotonin and a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: that's designed to supposedly relax us really just puts us
Speaker 2: an even more prime state of vulnerability. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: could see that. Yeah, of course I have a ton
Speaker 2: of questions.
Speaker 4: With it, with sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: The end if it, Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 4: You're indicating that from your studies or research and your
Speaker 4: experiences that it would be like an astral like the
Speaker 4: tail end of an astral experience.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, So this is where I have a hard
Speaker 2: time getting people to really hear me out on this.
Speaker 2: There's so much cognitive dissonance because we've bought into the narrative.
Speaker 2: And when you have an experience that you can't explain,
Speaker 2: and then you go online and you see it explained
Speaker 2: for you over and over and over again, you begin
Speaker 2: to reverse engineer that explanation onto your experience and you
Speaker 2: can't see that anything else is happening. But what most
Speaker 2: people will tell you is I woke up and I
Speaker 2: couldn't move, and I saw this in my bedroom. But
Speaker 2: if they really explored the beginning of it, they would
Speaker 2: explain that they were having a dream and everything was great,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the dream goes dark, it
Speaker 2: goes bad. The vibrations start in the ear, or you know,
Speaker 2: you understand in the dream, oh crap, it's happening again.
Speaker 2: And then the next thing you know, you're waking up
Speaker 2: in your bed. And what I'm trying to convince people
Speaker 2: of is it looks seamless to you like you're having
Speaker 2: a bad dream, and you get scared, and that fear
Speaker 2: wakes you up and thank god, I you know, I
Speaker 2: woke up before anything bad happened. But what's happening in
Speaker 2: many cases, and I'm talking about people that habitually have
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis over the course of their whole life, not
Speaker 2: just once or twice, But what's happening in many cases
Speaker 2: is you're being pulled out of your body and you're
Speaker 2: having some sort of an encounter with these dream characters.
Speaker 2: And just like the UFO abductees, when you get back
Speaker 2: into your body, you don't remember what happened. But you
Speaker 2: don't have the benefit of missing time like the UFO
Speaker 2: abductees have, because nobody wakes up five, six, seven, eight
Speaker 2: hours later and questions where the time went. If there
Speaker 2: is even a smidgen or a fragment of a memory
Speaker 2: of a bad dream or a nightmare, we chalk it
Speaker 2: off to it just being a dream. So we're not
Speaker 2: going to evaluate it. We're not going to think about it.
Speaker 2: We're not going to ask any questions. What I think
Speaker 2: is happening is we are waking up in this kind
Speaker 2: of altered state of consciousness. We're not quite awake yet,
Speaker 2: we're coming out of this experience. We are in full
Speaker 2: fight or flight Physiologically, we're in a high adrenaline mode
Speaker 2: because our body is trying to tell us in every
Speaker 2: way that it can. You were just in a very
Speaker 2: traumatic situation, and we don't have a memory of it,
Speaker 2: but our body is trying to tell us. Our heart
Speaker 2: is pounding, we are laying on our back in a
Speaker 2: defensive position. We often all the saliva in our mouth
Speaker 2: is dried up. We can't move, we can't talk. What
Speaker 2: I think is happening is the shadow people that you
Speaker 2: see in the room, the red glowing eyes, you know,
Speaker 2: the old hag, that all of that stuff. I actually
Speaker 2: think they're trolling us. I think they're creating a diversion
Speaker 2: so that when we wake up and we have this
Speaker 2: full on adrenaline rush, but no memory of anything in
Speaker 2: the dreamscape that happened, that would have scared us. We
Speaker 2: have to attach that physiological reaction to something tangible or
Speaker 2: we'll start asking questions. So, if you wake up in
Speaker 2: your room and you think there's a demon there, the
Speaker 2: grim Reapers hanging over you, all of the physiological things
Speaker 2: that you're experiencing, you will automatically ascribe to the fact
Speaker 2: that that thing in your room scared you. But I
Speaker 2: actually think that your heightened fear response was already activated
Speaker 2: in rim and in the astral, and when you wake up,
Speaker 2: they're providing you with a visual to attach the emotions
Speaker 2: to so that you don't ever reverse engineer it all
Speaker 2: the way back to the ram state and ask questions
Speaker 2: like what happened? Is there missing time? What sort of
Speaker 2: interactions went on in the astral? What conversations did I have,
Speaker 2: What kind of invitations did I give any of the vampires,
Speaker 2: or what sort of covenants did I enter into? And
Speaker 2: I just think that there's a lot more to this
Speaker 2: than people waking up in their bedroom. And if you're
Speaker 2: lucid when you dream, or if this happens to you
Speaker 2: enough where you can you have to be able to observe,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people can't observe when they're terrified
Speaker 2: because they're just focused on getting out of the situation.
Speaker 2: But if you observe, you will know you're not really
Speaker 2: in your bedroom yet, because there will be a glitch.
Speaker 2: There will be something wrong in the room. The windows
Speaker 2: on the wrong wall, you have a bedspread you don't
Speaker 2: really own, there's a bunch of pictures on the wall
Speaker 2: that aren't yours, or there's a bookshelf for a dresser there.
Speaker 2: There's always going to be one thing. If you're looking,
Speaker 2: this can't possibly really be my room, and I will
Speaker 2: always I always find a glitch. And it's gotten to
Speaker 2: the point now where I'm so aware of the fact
Speaker 2: that there's going to be a glitch, and I look
Speaker 2: for the glitch. They don't even bother with the screen
Speaker 2: memories anymore, because I think these are screen memories of
Speaker 2: your room. They're replicating your room. You're not really there.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that a lot of people
Speaker 2: they don't want to believe me. I don't know why
Speaker 2: the cognitive distance is there. Maybe they don't want to
Speaker 2: deal with the fact that, hey, I just want to
Speaker 2: be safe in my room. Don't make this any more
Speaker 2: scary than it needs to be. But there's always a glitch.
Speaker 2: And now when I have these sleep Prolysses experiences, they
Speaker 2: don't even bother with the screen memories anymore. I will
Speaker 2: literally see myself in a room with the object innovation
Speaker 2: window and the shadow person walking up to me, like
Speaker 2: it's like the screen. They don't even waste their time
Speaker 2: with the screen memory anymore.
Speaker 1: You said a few things before that I was really interesting.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe it was kind of like a like
Speaker 1: you said, maybe getting stuck in something like waking up
Speaker 1: in the middle of something going on. I for me,
Speaker 1: and I guess what I'm when I'm really getting I was.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's almost like a reverse effect when
Speaker 1: I've mentioned before, you know, you mentioned anything kind of
Speaker 1: like you're soul separating from your body. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: I say, I think magic is, but choosing to do
Speaker 1: that on purpose, as that does happen from my experience,
Speaker 1: either sitting down or laying down obviously my eyes closed
Speaker 1: meditating before that happens, it will get to the to
Speaker 1: the point to where it's as if like only inside
Speaker 1: my head exists and nothing else. I feel nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: that's gone to me, like I just don't feel it,
Speaker 1: and it's and I will start to feel like a
Speaker 1: rush and then I start to come out like the
Speaker 1: back of my head where it feels like like a
Speaker 1: slip out. Like I was wondering if maybe the sleep
Speaker 1: paralysis like you're talking about it's so traveling or whatever.
Speaker 1: I like again, like I'm wondering if like maybe you've
Speaker 1: come back in but not enough to actually be the
Speaker 1: rest of your body, because now you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to move anything because there's nothing there yet. Really,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't move at
Speaker 1: that point, probably unless maybe I snapped myself out of it.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't feel
Speaker 1: my body to even move my arms. I was just
Speaker 1: in my head. So I was just wondering if it's
Speaker 1: like maybe kind of like coming back and getting like
Speaker 1: like kind of waking up maybe a few seconds before
Speaker 1: you should have, yeah, and becoming conscious.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And this is another thing I try to tell
Speaker 2: people who don't realize what you've already realized. I hear
Speaker 2: it every day. I hear Christians say, say the name
Speaker 2: of Jesus and it'll stop. But you have to say
Speaker 2: it out loud. And what's ridiculous about this is you can't.
Speaker 2: You don't have access to your mouth. You're not in
Speaker 2: your body, you're not there yet, you're not all the
Speaker 2: way there yet. And second of all, this whole thing,
Speaker 2: this comes from some tradition. It's not in the Bible.
Speaker 2: You learn it when you're in church as a little kid,
Speaker 2: and you believe it, and you never question it or
Speaker 2: ask where it's from or try to find the verse
Speaker 2: because it's nowhere. There's this tradition out there that Satan
Speaker 2: can't read your mind, and I'm thinking, well, he is
Speaker 2: an eternal, immortal being and we're stupid human beings that
Speaker 2: he doesn't even have to read our minds. You know,
Speaker 2: humans aren't that hard to figure out, you know. But
Speaker 2: whether he can or can't, it doesn't matter. If you're
Speaker 2: calling on the name of Jesus. You're not talking to
Speaker 2: Satan any way. You're calling on the name of Jesus,
Speaker 2: and he can read your mind, So who cares? Like
Speaker 2: all of its nonsense, all of these things that they're saying,
Speaker 2: so you don't have to say it out loud. And
Speaker 2: even if you did say it out loud, I've had
Speaker 2: times where in my dream where I think I'm awake
Speaker 2: in my bedroom, I'm saying something like get out, or
Speaker 2: I do not consent, or in the name of Jesus,
Speaker 2: whatever I'm saying, and I will go from that altered
Speaker 2: state where I think I'm in my room to a
Speaker 2: real waking state, and I will then be in and
Speaker 2: out halfway through my sentence, and when I actually hear
Speaker 2: myself in my brain. If you've ever had sleeping gas
Speaker 2: like that, you know, before a surgery, it's like that
Speaker 2: you hear yourself talking, but you have no memory of
Speaker 2: answering the question. It's this weird altered state. I have
Speaker 2: been in the dream state where I think I'm awake
Speaker 2: in my room and I'll say, like, you know, in
Speaker 2: the name of Jesus, get out, and I wake up
Speaker 2: halfway in the middle of it, and I hear myself
Speaker 2: audibly saying, you know, you're not saying so even if
Speaker 2: you're saying it out loud, you're not saying anything legible anyway,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think that people
Speaker 2: are trying so hard to move their body and say things,
Speaker 2: and it's like you're not in your body yet you
Speaker 2: can't access that stuff, and so it's all in the
Speaker 2: power of the mind. At that point, I want to
Speaker 2: wake up. I don't consent to this. This is uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: You have to stop now, you know, the same way
Speaker 2: with the Ouiji board. When we're done. Now I am
Speaker 2: in control of my noetic sovereignty. Goodbye, We're done. I choose,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, I've never done a Wigi board,
Speaker 2: but I'm just telling you that this is the law
Speaker 2: of interacting with entities. You say goodbye, and they they're done.
Speaker 2: They have to go away. It's done. And it's the
Speaker 2: same thing with these sleep paralysis situations. As soon as
Speaker 2: you say we're done, you don't have to say it
Speaker 2: out loud, you don't have to scream it, you don't
Speaker 2: have to yell it. It's really not that complicated. As
Speaker 2: soon as you, in your noetic sovereignty say we're done,
Speaker 2: these things go away immediately. And I don't want to
Speaker 2: take away any sort of I'm not saying, okay, there's
Speaker 2: no power in the name of Jesus. But what I
Speaker 2: do tell the Christians who come to me, Yes, if
Speaker 2: you say in the name of Jesus, get out. But
Speaker 2: guess what, there's tons of people that just say get out,
Speaker 2: and it works the same. And I'm not diminishing the
Speaker 2: power of the name. But what I'm telling you is
Speaker 2: what they have to observe is your free will. When
Speaker 2: you tell them get out, I'm done, goodbye, go away.
Speaker 2: You're not welcome here. You are revoking that vampiric invitation.
Speaker 2: They don't have their invitation. They have to have your permission.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, saying in the name of Jesus, get
Speaker 2: out work works. But get the hell out of here
Speaker 2: works too, you know what I mean. I've heard it.
Speaker 4: All, Ricky. I've witnessed, if we were talking about before
Speaker 4: hitting the record button, I've witnessed a couple of people
Speaker 4: go through sleeper ELS's and didn't know each other, and.
Speaker 2: It's exactly as you said.
Speaker 4: They're almost like moaning, mumbling like they're one speak, but
Speaker 4: it's almost as their lips have super glue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it will not open.
Speaker 4: And I in like you, I would hesitate to touch
Speaker 4: her or to touch you know, her arm or whatever,
Speaker 4: because you know I you know how they well and
Speaker 4: in hispanic folklift somebody's sleep walking and tell you not
Speaker 4: to wake them because of it. And so I would
Speaker 4: hesitate or whatever. But the moment I would touch her arm,
Speaker 4: it felt like everything under her skin was just electric,
Speaker 4: just on fire, like just alive, like just kind of
Speaker 4: on edge. But the moment I would touch her, she
Speaker 4: would immediately wake up. And she would literally say thank
Speaker 4: you for touching my arm because I couldn't wake up
Speaker 4: on my own. And that that was my roommate one time.
Speaker 4: And then this was another friend of mine. We're spending
Speaker 4: a night in her house. She said the same thing.
Speaker 4: She's like, thank you for waking me up. I couldn't
Speaker 4: wake up. So it was weird because the sensation on
Speaker 4: their arm was the same. And these are two totally
Speaker 4: different places, different times in my life. That it was
Speaker 4: it was identical. So it's funny how you said, like
Speaker 4: when you finally say something, it's this moan or like
Speaker 4: this opening of the mouth not coherent because it looking
Speaker 4: at her, it was almost as if her lips were
Speaker 4: super glued.
Speaker 2: Shine. Yeah, yep, yeah. I walked in on my college
Speaker 2: roommate one time. She was taking a nap, like in
Speaker 2: between classes or she had a downtime or whatever, and
Speaker 2: I'd had sleep prolyssis my whole life, and I had
Speaker 2: never heard the phrase sleep prolysis yet. This was in
Speaker 2: the nineties, so I don't think it was really a
Speaker 2: thing yet, and people didn't talk about it, and I
Speaker 2: didn't know anyone suffered with it. And I saw my
Speaker 2: roommate asleep on her bed and it freaked me out
Speaker 2: because I'm like, she's having sleep prolysis, except I didn't
Speaker 2: call it that because I didn't ever word for it
Speaker 2: at that point, and I couldn't believe it. It was
Speaker 2: this epiphany moment for me. And so because I had
Speaker 2: been through it so many times, I went over and
Speaker 2: I was like, and same thing. She's like, thank you
Speaker 2: so much, thank you so much, And I said, what
Speaker 2: just happened to you? And she explained it to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's happening to me my whole I couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it, Like it was just it was amazing, but
Speaker 2: I don't remember feeling anything, but I was sort of
Speaker 2: like I wasn't real gentle with her either. I was like,
Speaker 2: wake up. Wait. But anytime you run into someone who's
Speaker 2: having sleep paralysis, believe me, they want to be woke up.
Speaker 2: They're trying everything in their power to be to be
Speaker 2: woken up. And one thing that I got from Robert Monroe.
Speaker 2: I think it's in his third volume of his trilogy,
Speaker 2: The Far Journeys. He talks about this was another like
Speaker 2: eye opening moment for me, and it's also another way
Speaker 2: that you can sort of evaluate once you've woke up.
Speaker 2: Was I in the astral realm or was that just
Speaker 2: a dream? Is He said, when you have a dream
Speaker 2: that you're searching for your car, you're in a parking
Speaker 2: lot and you're searching all over for your car and
Speaker 2: you can't find your car. And it just gave me
Speaker 2: the chills the first time I read that, because I've
Speaker 2: had that as a reoccurring dream so many times. And
Speaker 2: he said that you're car is like a metaphor for
Speaker 2: your body, because your car is this vehicle that carries
Speaker 2: you around everywhere you want to go, and so is
Speaker 2: your body. So when you're out of your body, it's
Speaker 2: looking for its vehicle. Right. It made so much sense,
Speaker 2: And now that's helped give me clarity because sometimes when
Speaker 2: you wake up, you're not one hundred percent sure if
Speaker 2: it was astral or not, and so there's indicators and
Speaker 2: so whenever I've had that where I'm in a parking
Speaker 2: ramp or a parking lot. Like I'll have memory of
Speaker 2: going into a building or a mall or a church
Speaker 2: or something, and then I'll come out into the parking
Speaker 2: lot and then I'll go, oh, I can never find
Speaker 2: a car, and you will sit there and again, this
Speaker 2: is we're talking about the time dilation. Again. You will
Speaker 2: feel like you're in that parking lot for hours looking
Speaker 2: for that car before you wake up. But you know,
Speaker 2: if you're in an RAM cycle, it was probably only
Speaker 2: ten to twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up earlier the the idea of
Speaker 3: induced comas because it's like one out of three people
Speaker 3: who are in an induced coma aren't really unconscious the
Speaker 3: whole time, just in kind of a prison of their
Speaker 3: own mind for weeks time.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know. Yeah. I read a book years ago
Speaker 2: and it was a guy he was like, he wasn't
Speaker 2: a missionary, but he had this idea. And unfortunately I
Speaker 2: lent the book to somebody and I never got it back,
Speaker 2: and I'll never be able to remember anymore who wrote
Speaker 2: it or whatever, because I think I was in college
Speaker 2: when I read it. But he would go to hospitals
Speaker 2: and he would go into the rooms where people were
Speaker 2: in coomas, and he would preach the Gospel to them
Speaker 2: and read the Bible and sing worship songs and comfort
Speaker 2: them and talk to them and da da da da
Speaker 2: da da. And you know, a lot of these people
Speaker 2: they didn't ever come out of the coma or he
Speaker 2: never saw them again or whatever, but he had a
Speaker 2: certain percentage of them that came back and said, I
Speaker 2: heard every word you.
Speaker 3: Said, right. And there's there's really no medical literature that
Speaker 3: actually supports the idea that medical comas are so necessary,
Speaker 3: and they use it all the time, and it's it's
Speaker 3: such a it's a travesty to think that we're putting
Speaker 3: people into that kind of a prison.
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, it sounds like an absolute some
Speaker 5: of the testimonies I've heard of people that have been
Speaker 5: in coma's and they're not saying anything.
Speaker 2: Their point isn't to say anything paranormal or mystical or
Speaker 2: religious or whatever, but they just say that you still
Speaker 2: go to sleep and wake up and you have no
Speaker 2: idea how to differentiate what's the reality and what's the dream.
Speaker 2: And then when they having like the nightmares, and oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, the way that they describe it It sounds
Speaker 2: so much like this inception, like the dream within the
Speaker 2: dream kind of astral stuff that you get, you know,
Speaker 2: and I don't know enough about a medical coma, but
Speaker 2: if you're introducing any sort of medication into that or
Speaker 2: anything that's going to put you in an altered state
Speaker 2: of consciousness, you're just opening a door and putting a
Speaker 2: welcome matt out to whoever is. Hey, look at this idiot.
Speaker 2: He's not in control. We're gonna, you know, have a
Speaker 2: field day with this guy. Like, you're so vulnerable when
Speaker 2: you're in those states of altered consciousness.
Speaker 1: Did anybody else have anything else they wanted to ask?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Is there anything else, VICKI that you wanted to get into?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just like really just enjoying the conversation
Speaker 2: because it's just taken so many twists and turns away
Speaker 2: from the ordinary conversations, and I just love this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff and so many of the things that you've
Speaker 2: brought up or stuff that I've read up on and
Speaker 2: been back on and don't usually come up in the conversation,
Speaker 2: and especially getting to kind of talk about more of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century version of this and the tech
Speaker 2: aspects of it and where it's headed, and so no,
Speaker 2: I mean this has just been a really fun change
Speaker 2: of place.
Speaker 4: To Viggie's point, tech has taken on this whole angle
Speaker 4: of exploring sleep ys not readily talked about or advertised,
Speaker 4: but if you peek into the literature of tech and
Speaker 4: sleep ra em whatever, it's there. I mean, they're really
Speaker 4: really mining as much as they can. It's almost like
Speaker 4: the next frontier, so to speak. Not so much consciousness
Speaker 4: obviously that's another frontier, but sleep in and of itself.
Speaker 4: Tech has really started to dive deep into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that, the next front tier. That's so appropriate.
Speaker 2: It is it is.
Speaker 3: It's a third of our lives that we're spending you
Speaker 3: know on concous.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, very good point.
Speaker 2: And when you when you think about it, if you
Speaker 2: want to think about that logically, you know, yeah, you
Speaker 2: can say, well, well, sleep is a gift and it's
Speaker 2: rest and it's you know, you can you can talk
Speaker 2: like poetically about it. But if you want to go
Speaker 2: down the realms of let's pretend that the creator is
Speaker 2: actually not a dope. If we're going to spend a
Speaker 2: third of our life asleep, there must be some sort
Speaker 2: of meaning and purpose and achievement in it. It's not
Speaker 2: just a waste of time. And so I tend to
Speaker 2: think that the creator is not a dope, and that
Speaker 2: those sleeping hours aren't to be wasted. Yes, we should
Speaker 2: get real sleep, and we should, you know, figure out
Speaker 2: how to take care of our brains and our bodies.
Speaker 2: But we just can't ignore the fact that this whole
Speaker 2: concept of dreams is very mysterious. We haven't really come
Speaker 2: too far into figuring it out. And when when you.
Speaker 1: Look at the bullshit as honestly for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, they can't tell you why we dream.
Speaker 2: We go to bed at night and we have all
Speaker 2: of these like movies playing, our brain turns into a
Speaker 2: movie theater, like this makes no sense, and they don't.
Speaker 2: They don't have a lot of medical or scientific answers
Speaker 2: for us. They're all hypotheses and they're all guesses and
Speaker 2: there's got to be some meaning to it. And I
Speaker 2: don't think it's something that should be trifled with. I
Speaker 2: think that it is an area of exploration that we
Speaker 2: need to continue trying to figure out what what am
Speaker 2: I supposed to get out of it? If we're going
Speaker 2: to be in our waking hours. If we're going to
Speaker 2: be asking what's the meaning of life? Why am I here?
Speaker 2: What am I supposed to be doing? We don't cut
Speaker 2: out a third of our life as meaningless, right.
Speaker 3: So they had these things called the Esclepion. Yes, is
Speaker 3: where you would go to sleep in the temple, and
Speaker 3: this is where you get the term sleeping in. And
Speaker 3: these temple experiences would be to diagnose illnesses by being
Speaker 3: visited in your dreams by either Asclepius or one of
Speaker 3: his daughters Hygiea or the other one Panea. Yeah, Pantacea
Speaker 3: and Pantasa was the all medicine, right, yes, And so
Speaker 3: having these experiences led to a whole different form of hospital. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: really good track record and curing illnesses.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you brought that up. I go into
Speaker 2: probably needless detail, but I go into exorbitant detail about
Speaker 2: the Esclepions in my book, I think chapter three, because yeah,
Speaker 2: so Asclepias the serpent god of healing, and Asclepius's rod
Speaker 2: is the pole with the serpent that goes up at
Speaker 2: that to this day is our symbol. And not to
Speaker 2: be confused, a lot of people confuse the rod of
Speaker 2: Asclepias with the the other one, the.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you army that actually made that confusion. They're
Speaker 3: the ones. So they put that on the medical core,
Speaker 3: the caduc this, and then all these other hospitals started
Speaker 3: to use that as well. But it's like, guys, you
Speaker 3: messed it up. That's for profit, So that the symbol
Speaker 3: for profit on the front of these hospitals. Look at
Speaker 3: Look what happened to our medical system, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super fascinating. And I also get every time
Speaker 2: I talk about the Asclepias and the rod of Asclepias,
Speaker 2: I I do get Christians writing to school me that no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's a Christian symbol. It's the serpent on the pole
Speaker 2: that people looked at in the Old Testament and got healed.
Speaker 2: And I say no, the Bible flat out calls that
Speaker 2: serpent on the pole the new Hushtan. It's right in
Speaker 2: the Bible. It's not the same thing asclepiasts, hygiea panacea.
Speaker 2: They are all mentioned in the original Greek Hippocratic oath.
Speaker 2: You are aligning with Apollos and his children and those
Speaker 2: or were your mentors. It's all right there. It's a
Speaker 2: medical It goes back to the Escleppians, the serpent, god
Speaker 2: of healing, and if you if you were lucky enough
Speaker 2: to make it up into make it into an Esclepion,
Speaker 2: because there's certain people that weren't allowed in. Pregnant women
Speaker 2: and the elderly were not allowed in because they didn't
Speaker 2: want any death in the Esclepian It wasn't good for advertising.
Speaker 2: And once you go, once you got into the Esclepion,
Speaker 2: you went through a sea of you were basically entertained
Speaker 2: until you were in a nice different brain state, and
Speaker 2: then you were brought your sedated and then you were
Speaker 2: brought into the catacombs and you would wander around in
Speaker 2: the dark kind of with the sedation, and then you
Speaker 2: would sleep in these underground rooms and snakes would crawl around,
Speaker 2: and it was good luck the snake crawled over you.
Speaker 2: But they would they would astral project and they would
Speaker 2: dream a cure. And these entities up in the astral
Speaker 2: they're not stupid. They gave you an actual cure. And
Speaker 2: when you woke up, you would tell the physicians, Slash
Speaker 2: high priest, this is the cure, you know, put a
Speaker 2: leech on my finger or whatever it was, and if
Speaker 2: you got cured, you would pay them in gold, silver,
Speaker 2: or precious metal fashioned into the shape of the body
Speaker 2: part that got healed. And we see references of this
Speaker 2: even in scripture when the Philistine got a hold of
Speaker 2: the Ark of the Covenant and things weren't going so
Speaker 2: well for them, and they're like, we got to get
Speaker 2: rid of this box like that, we got to get
Speaker 2: rid of this thing. And they they had tumors that
Speaker 2: they got from rats. And when they when they got
Speaker 2: rid of the Ark of the Covenant, they the plague
Speaker 2: went away. And their offering to the Hebrew people was
Speaker 2: to fashion out of gold rats and tumors that they
Speaker 2: put in. And that was because in their culture, that's
Speaker 2: how you paid someone when you got healed of a disease,
Speaker 2: which is what happened to them when they got rid
Speaker 2: of the Rid of the Arc. What do you got there,
Speaker 2: headless giant?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: So this is a painting by Gustav Klempt called Medicine.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Around here we see the goddess Hygiea okay, holding out
Speaker 3: the cup of Leta, which causes you to forget your
Speaker 3: past lines as you're being reincarnated, and so as you
Speaker 3: can see the snake is wrapped around her arm. There
Speaker 3: the golden snake, and then behind her is this river
Speaker 3: of souls, which represents the living right, and as you
Speaker 3: see in the detail, they're all asleep, all of these
Speaker 3: characters behind her, so they are all in various states
Speaker 3: of living, but they're all sleeping while they're doing it.
Speaker 3: And over there is the Goddess of life, bringing you
Speaker 3: life into the world, into this realm of river of souls,
Speaker 3: and you can see there's two points connecting her to
Speaker 3: the rest of the painting, with the rest of it there.
Speaker 3: And what he's also saying in the background is that
Speaker 3: you see this blood right, and on the blood you
Speaker 3: see all the golden coins, and so he's basically saying
Speaker 3: that reincarnation is of the blood. It's coming through these bloodlines,
Speaker 3: and that we're sort of all in this kind of
Speaker 3: fugue state, will awake because we're not aware of any
Speaker 3: of these factors that are going on basically behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: And actually this painting made a lot of doctors upset
Speaker 3: because in saying medicine and then showing you this picture
Speaker 3: of death and the afterlife, he's saying everybody's gonna die anyway,
Speaker 3: so you're not actually, you know, really doing other things
Speaker 3: anything other than putting off the inevitable.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 3: Just didn't like it. This painting was burned by the Nazis,
Speaker 3: so it doesn't really exist anymore. They just have a
Speaker 3: composite of it. But basically, as they were retreating from
Speaker 3: a castle, they decided to light it on fire, and
Speaker 3: so that was the end for that painting. So it's
Speaker 3: got a very interesting history.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, that's amazing. That whole study of the first
Speaker 2: and second century with the yesclepions and the whole dreaming
Speaker 2: of cure extremely fascinating. If you are doing a seriously
Speaker 2: intellectual deep dive into trying to understand your sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: if you're not running across a sclepyon in your research,
Speaker 2: you're going to miss out on a really big piece
Speaker 2: of understanding.
Speaker 3: Right, I think what's interesting too. Oh go ahead, Dick.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think you actually, uh, at
Speaker 1: one point on the show, I think you actually read
Speaker 1: out that whole thing and actually pointed out all those
Speaker 1: names in there that I had no idea about either.
Speaker 3: It's just an amazing painting, and I don't think enough
Speaker 3: people understand the symbolism in it, so it's one of
Speaker 3: I think it's Gustav Clem's master work, to be honest,
Speaker 3: and he's had a lot of really great pantings too.
Speaker 2: What's the name of the painting again, medicine?
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, I think if you guys don't mind, well,
Speaker 1: for one, VICKI I mean this, this is actually tons
Speaker 1: of things I didn't say, and I would like to
Speaker 1: bring up and get into it even now. Even the
Speaker 1: whole healing thing and out of your body stuff like
Speaker 1: that I like to get into. But it's a whole
Speaker 1: of the show. Love to maybe really get you on
Speaker 1: again in the future to talk about a few other
Speaker 1: different avenues with this stuff, but I think we will
Speaker 1: wrap it up now. I really this was an amazing episode.
Speaker 1: I really just thoroughly enjoyed talking about this and listening
Speaker 1: to your stuff me too.
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 1: Cool conversation on no hell yeah, hell yah ellio. Well
Speaker 1: that's why I had said to you earlier, So why
Speaker 1: the hell haven't I had you on the show yet.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, I was like, totally you fit
Speaker 1: it totally. So again, thank you so much, Vicky. Please
Speaker 1: let everybody else you know, listening. Please let everybody know
Speaker 1: where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. You can find me on vickyjoy Anderson dot com,
Speaker 2: on YouTube at Vicky joy Anderson all caps. I'm at
Speaker 2: Vicky Joy author on most social media, and if you'd
Speaker 2: like to meet me in person, you can come to Mansfield,
Speaker 2: Ohio the weekend of March twenty seven through twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I will be speaking at the Strange Land Conference on
Speaker 2: Conjugal Nightmares and the Nuptials of Nasfaratu.
Speaker 1: Oh that is all. If you can't seriously VICKI after
Speaker 1: the show, if you can't send me like a link
Speaker 1: to that or whatever, I want to check out with this,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I want to see how far away it
Speaker 1: is from me and JJA. Okay, thank you again, like
Speaker 1: for real, you really you're leaving me with things to
Speaker 1: think about, you know, so this is yes.
Speaker 2: You guys. You guys are leaving me with stuff to
Speaker 2: talk about too.
Speaker 1: Good. Good thanks and headless. Please let everybody know where
Speaker 1: they can find all your amazing stuff as well.
Speaker 3: Well. You can find me on YouTube and x I
Speaker 3: go by a headless giant if you If you have
Speaker 3: experiences like the ones we've been talking about, send them
Speaker 3: to me Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, please please send them over. And it's
Speaker 1: sorry it was my fault. I screwed that one up
Speaker 1: this week with the show. But yeah, no, I really do. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I really do. Look, I
Speaker 1: look forward to doing it with you. It is fun actually,
Speaker 1: uh so, Yeah, send out those emails if you got
Speaker 1: any experiences you want to I guess somehow, try to
Speaker 1: stay anonymous. If your email doesn't have your name in there,
Speaker 1: I mean, just just don't leave your name, you know, whatevers. Yeah, yeah, Lisa,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I really do
Speaker 1: appreciate everything, the question you asked, the stuff you brought
Speaker 1: to the table, you know, the reason why you're here.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Is there anything you want to
Speaker 1: plug or anything you want to Picky?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for everything that you spoke about today.
Speaker 4: Like Nick had said, it opened up so many other
Speaker 4: portals of thought and potential exploration of topics that had
Speaker 4: not even cross my path.
Speaker 2: So enlightened.
Speaker 4: I'm very overjoyed, overjoyed by by having this opportunity to
Speaker 4: speak to you, and I do hope that Nick has
Speaker 4: you on for other topics, because I'm sure we're going
Speaker 4: to come up with other things, so thank you again.
Speaker 4: The only thing I'd like to plug is just the
Speaker 4: Occult Research Institute dot org our website to where we
Speaker 4: have no DA just a coult research. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: just a lot of contributors that have allowed us to
Speaker 4: kind of share the work that they've provided, you know,
Speaker 4: written work rather so a cold research institute dot org
Speaker 4: checks out there.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. Yeah. I guess one thing I
Speaker 1: want to say just before we wrap it up, you know,
Speaker 1: from from doing this podcast for the last few years
Speaker 1: and even from this show right here, this is you know,
Speaker 1: one of them. You know, sometimes I do get left
Speaker 1: with the thought that, like maybe the experiences that I've
Speaker 1: had with magic, other people have had them too, were
Speaker 1: just in different ways, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: just you know, it wasn't the avenue that I took,
Speaker 1: so we're having a different experience, maybe because we have
Speaker 1: a different way to reference back to it. But maybe
Speaker 1: it's the same thing a little bit, you know. So
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm getting at is that maybe we're
Speaker 1: some people have had the same experience and they're really
Speaker 1: not that different. It's just they don't know how to
Speaker 1: look at it. I don't know. You kind of left
Speaker 1: me with thinking other people, you know, have had the
Speaker 1: same experience as me, just sort it in a different way. Possibly,
Speaker 1: all right, Thanks, thank you so much again, Thank you Lisa,
Speaker 1: thank you headless. And that is the end of another
Speaker 1: recall rejects and until the next one, everybody be well
Speaker 1: later