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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>I welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>got myself, I got Lisa, the occult rejected mad scientist,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got the headless Giant himself. Lisa. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for joining us. I appreciate it. How are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Times?

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<v Speaker 2>Doing very well.

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<v Speaker 4>I am very much looking forward to this topic, as

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<v Speaker 4>we were talking about it before we hit the record, buddy,

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<v Speaker 4>very very very intrigued.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then we got that man himself, the myth,

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<v Speaker 1>the legend headless Giant. What is up, my man? My

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<v Speaker 1>favorite hellenic ship poster, the skit spos or whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>says on the moment. How are you doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well, looking forward to hearing about sleep paralysis

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<v Speaker 3>and all the ins and outs how these things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, thank you, thank you very much for making it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you want to plug your show and let everybody

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<v Speaker 1>know about like your your other stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Normally I do a mail bag on Wednesdays and

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<v Speaker 3>or Thursdays where I read your emails about experiences like

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<v Speaker 3>the one Vicky is going to explain to us today.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's a magical paranormal. If it's a mystical experience

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<v Speaker 3>you've had, send send your story over to Headless Give

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast at gmail dot com and I will read it

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<v Speaker 3>on the air and break it down usually with Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Yes, oh you're not streaming out right now?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my bad. I'm so sorry. So you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to set it up so you can stream out real quick? No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good, all right, I feel bad. I just realized

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought you were going to stream out on

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<v Speaker 1>your man. All right. I'm so sorry, so I screwed

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<v Speaker 1>it all up. All right, Well, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen finally, finally to the guest, got my shit together now, Vicky,

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<v Speaker 1>Vicky Joy. She's made her rounds. You might have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of her already, but she's finally made it onto the

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<v Speaker 1>cult rejects and very excited to have you on and

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<v Speaker 1>to hear your story. Vicky. Please let everybody know like

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<v Speaker 1>what you deal is where they can find you stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to promote anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, absolutely, thank you, Vicky Joy. Vicky Joy Anderson, you

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<v Speaker 2>can find me at Vickyjoyanderson dot com. I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel at VICKI Joy Anderson. You can find me

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram and most of the socials at Vicky Joy

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<v Speaker 2>author and if you want to meet me in person,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be in Mansfield, Ohio the weekend of March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven through twenty nine, speaking on conjugal nightmares the

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<v Speaker 2>Nuptials of Nasfaratu at the Strange Land Conference. Information on

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<v Speaker 2>my website.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, to tell JJ about that? Is there? When

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<v Speaker 1>is that again?

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<v Speaker 2>March twenty seven through twenty nine in Mansfield, Ohio. And

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<v Speaker 2>you can go to my website Pickyjoyanderson dot com on

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<v Speaker 2>the events tab, or you can go directly to through

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<v Speaker 2>the black dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, all right, I'm to have to look into

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<v Speaker 1>that myself. Oh all right. So, uh, sleep paralysis, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I guess wherever you want to start with this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we begin? Oh my goodness. I always like

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<v Speaker 2>to tell people I don't know who came up with

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<v Speaker 2>this phrase sleep paralysis. It's the dumbest phrase. Sleep paralysis

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<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with sleep, really has very little

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<v Speaker 2>to do with paralysis. There is a sleep paralysis, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>We obviously go into paralysis at various sleep stages. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a protective measure. It's part of our physiology keeps us protected.

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<v Speaker 2>It keeps us from sleepwalking and wet in the bed

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<v Speaker 2>and punch people and things like that. So there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>spooky or paranormal about having paralytic states during your sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and that really is almost unintentionally, I hope it was unintentional.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost a form of gaslighting because everyone experiences it,

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<v Speaker 2>but not everybody experiences the spooky kind. So for the

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<v Speaker 2>people who experience the more traumatic kind, we tend to

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<v Speaker 2>get poo pooed and gas lit by the people that

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<v Speaker 2>have the physiological regular kind, and they're really I really

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<v Speaker 2>wish we could just come up with a different phrase,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is what it is at this point. So

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose we should start out with maybe a definition.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously you can go online. There's all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>official narrative definitions, but most of them are put out

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<v Speaker 2>by science and medicine and people who have really no

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<v Speaker 2>respect or interest whatsoever in anything supernatural or paranormal or mystical.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything has to be plotted, you know, on a graph

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<v Speaker 2>for a chart or an Excel chart, and if anything

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<v Speaker 2>is the slightest bit strange or weird or unexplained, it

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<v Speaker 2>just gets written off and that person's schizophrenic or mentally

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<v Speaker 2>ill or something like that. So if the only explanation

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<v Speaker 2>you have of sleep paralysis is this something you pulled

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<v Speaker 2>off the Internet or Wikipedia or NIH or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have any idea what it is or how

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<v Speaker 2>horrific it is to the people who experience it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so how would I explain sleep paralysis? Oh gosh, I

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<v Speaker 2>really think that I have a different take on it

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<v Speaker 2>than a lot of people. Your standard religious explanation is, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you opened up a door, you bad person, You did

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<v Speaker 2>something wrong, and now demons are after you, and you

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<v Speaker 2>deserved it because you're a bad person who played with

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<v Speaker 2>the Ouiji born or looked at porn. You know, That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all you're going to get out of that

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<v Speaker 2>and say you're sorry and Jesus will forgive you and

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<v Speaker 2>it'll never happen again, Which is really actually sad because

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people it does happen again, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you really do have to kind of understand what's

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<v Speaker 2>going here. Going on here, I personally think that sleep

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<v Speaker 2>paralysis is the tail end of a far more spectacular

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<v Speaker 2>astral experience that has happened in the midst of an

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<v Speaker 2>RAM cycle. You're being abducted out of your body in

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<v Speaker 2>an RIM cycle. This is why there doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>be that. The timelines seem to not add up. And

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<v Speaker 2>people who have done ayahuasca trips will talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>as well, They've been out ten minutes, but they had

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<v Speaker 2>a two week or a ten year experience. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>the timeline doesn't match up.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, I just want to add real quick, VICKI.

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<v Speaker 1>I've even said this myself before having magical experiences. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time that you're gone for for how long

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like you're gone for, it does not match.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that match? Just like literally seconds and it felt

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<v Speaker 1>like you were doing it for like ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And this is why the official narrative breaks down

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<v Speaker 2>because the average RIM cycle, the average dream cycle, is

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<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty minutes. And when you come back from

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<v Speaker 2>one of these astral abductions, as I will call them,

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<v Speaker 2>you have hours worth of information that you remember. You're

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<v Speaker 2>geohopping all over the place. I was in Italy, I

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<v Speaker 2>was on an airplane, I was in an airport waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for three hours. Now I'm in a car. Now I'm here,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's no way all of that was compacted into

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<v Speaker 2>a ten or twenty minute rim cycle. You are out

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<v Speaker 2>of the rim cycle at that point. The rim cycle

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<v Speaker 2>is the jump space. Okay, that's where you go to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up the bus. That's where you go to pick

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<v Speaker 2>up the train. But you're you're leaving, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go off on a bunch of tangents here, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just stick to finishing the definition. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>when we come back from these abductions, very similar to

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<v Speaker 2>people who will talk about say a UFO abduction or

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<v Speaker 2>an alien abduction, they have missing time and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember what happened. They just know something happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever wonder if those are misunderstanding maybe something else?

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<v Speaker 1>Well from the experiences you have, have you ever wondered

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<v Speaker 1>maybe those people who thought they were abducted might have

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<v Speaker 1>actually been experiencing something else and they kind of absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say concocted, but their brain concocted

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<v Speaker 2>This is where it gets really tricky with these all

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<v Speaker 2>of these experiences, with the sleep paralysism of ayahuasca and

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<v Speaker 2>with the UFO abductions. If all we do is relegate

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to schizophrenia, mental illness, crazy, they're looking for attention.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we sort of have to have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a me too movement in the paranormal world

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<v Speaker 2>where there are people out there that are seeking attention.

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<v Speaker 2>There are people out there who legitimately do have a

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<v Speaker 2>traumatic brain injury or a genetic mental illness, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always going to be those outliers. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>is we have thousands and thousands of people, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have a historical record that goes back hundreds of years.

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<v Speaker 2>We see reports of this in medical journals going all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back to sixteenth century. We see it in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Every culture has their own name for this. Not everybody

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<v Speaker 2>calls it sleep proalysis. Some people call it the Old Hag.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of my book, there's like three or four pages

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<v Speaker 2>in my book where I go through like around the

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<v Speaker 2>world in eighty days, so to speak, and every culture

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<v Speaker 2>has their own explanation for what this dream character is

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<v Speaker 2>or what this entity is it? Like is it a demon?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a screetch owel? Is it a lilith? Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everyone's got their own explanations so to write

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<v Speaker 2>off a historical record that rich in detail, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to at some point have an intellectually honest discussion that

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<v Speaker 2>is half the globe crazy or is there something going

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<v Speaker 2>on and we just don't understand, you know? And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I think is really fascinating. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to throw this sometimes into the face of people

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<v Speaker 2>that want to get you know, there's the people that

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<v Speaker 2>want to use science to prove you wrong. There's people

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<v Speaker 2>that want to use a medical textbook to prove you wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's people that want to use religion to

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<v Speaker 2>prove you wrong. And what I always tell to the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are coming at me, I get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of criticism, unfortunately from the Christians. You know, you're toting

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<v Speaker 2>around one of the most supernatural books in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and you think this is weird. You think this is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is like pretty tame stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you supposed to be drinking blood and eating flesh

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<v Speaker 1>right now? But do you think this is weird?

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<v Speaker 5>You?

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<v Speaker 2>So I always say, according to the very foundational texts

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<v Speaker 2>of the scriptures in the Torah, it legal the legal

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<v Speaker 2>system of the ancients was if you had two or

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<v Speaker 2>three witnesses, you legally had proof that was evidence. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this was back before video cameras and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had two there were three witnesses that had

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<v Speaker 2>the same testimony and they weren't contradicting, and you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell they weren't lying. If two or three people were

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<v Speaker 2>saying the same thing, it was codified into legally that

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<v Speaker 2>that was the truth. And so if you've got not

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<v Speaker 2>two or three people saying this stuff is happening to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have thousands. Even in the like the two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half years since my book came out, I

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<v Speaker 2>could give you a thousand witnesses because I get the

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<v Speaker 2>emails and the dms, and so we have to, even

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<v Speaker 2>from a philosophical and a religious perspective, based on the

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of witnesses. We have too many people who don't

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<v Speaker 2>know each other, from different centuries and different cultures, all

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<v Speaker 2>saying the same thing. And we all know some of

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<v Speaker 3>this could be psychologically produced? Like these could actually be

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<v Speaker 3>like driven by perception, like a lot of people hear

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<v Speaker 2>not for entertainment. This isn't to tell campfire stories, This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't for titillation. If you don't have this problem, you've

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<v Speaker 2>reading books on it, and you're online, and you're on

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<v Speaker 2>all the movies you can, you can obviously open up

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<v Speaker 2>a door where if you're filling your mind with all

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff, it's kind of like a field of

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<v Speaker 2>If you build it, they will come. This also kind

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<v Speaker 2>intrigue for this stuff and you're thinking things like man,

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<v Speaker 2>can see there's a point where if you build it,

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<v Speaker 2>they will come, like you know, and you can chalk

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<v Speaker 2>that off to psychology. You can chalk it off to invitation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can go back into the vampire folklore.

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<v Speaker 2>You invited it, you gave it permission, You thought it

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<v Speaker 2>would be really cool if you had this experience. So

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<v Speaker 2>you got what you asked for. So, however, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to define that in your worldview, whether it's psychological and

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<v Speaker 2>brain related, which I think it is, or if it's

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual in some sort of sense like you are, quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote opening doors. If that's the language that you're familiar with,

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<v Speaker 2>you can call it whatever you want. But the fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter is, if you've never had this problem,

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<v Speaker 2>you can have this problem real quick. If you're intrigue

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now you're saying also in the book with you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saying like, you know, I guess warning about

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<v Speaker 1>going father. I'm assuming what you're getting at is maybe

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<v Speaker 1>say that about magic, you know from my experiences. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's I remember, this is silly, but I

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big Iron Maiden fit when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had this song called still Mine or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and on the album Peace of Mind Something

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<v Speaker 1>Still Something, and he's Nico McBrain. The drummer was speaking backwards,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, eventually I played it backwards to see

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually had magical experiences. Some reason, I remembered that song.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I have equipment now I could

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<v Speaker 1>play this backwards and see what he was saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I have you know, podcasting shit, I could play

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't mess with things that you don't understand. Fucking exactly. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I shouldn't been messing with that shit

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's that's fascinating too, because you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>and God only knows what's true and what's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting that a lot of these guys that

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<v Speaker 2>messed with that kind of stuff. I think the drummer

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<v Speaker 2>of Iron Maiden has recently come out saying he became

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<v Speaker 2>a Christian. So you wonder what led him to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pendulum swinging that drastically over into the other. What did

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<v Speaker 2>he you know, what did he unearth? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all know, I love studying the lore of

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<v Speaker 2>led Zeppelin and Jimmy Page, you know, and Crowley's House

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<v Speaker 2>and the house burning down and all of like the

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<v Speaker 2>the rituals he did on stage, like with the violin

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<v Speaker 2>bow and pointing to the compass points and and like,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the guy knew what he was doing. He

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<v Speaker 2>plays it off like it's all just rock and roll, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but he knows what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, you don't go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>of this. So there was a report that Eli Lily

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<v Speaker 3>manipulated the Japanese language because they didn't have a word

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<v Speaker 3>for depression, and Eli Lily wanted to sell their antidepressants

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<v Speaker 3>in Japan and make billions of dollars. So they manipulated

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<v Speaker 3>the language to introduce the cultural concept of depression from

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<v Speaker 3>America over there and created a five billion dollar kind

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<v Speaker 3>of industry for antidepressants in Japan, using celebrities too, by

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<v Speaker 3>the way, So these celebrities would get what they called

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<v Speaker 3>the sad flu. The sad flu, that's what the interpretation

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<v Speaker 3>of depression is in Japanese. Could you imagine the manipulation

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<v Speaker 3>of saying somebody sat in your life. It could wear

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<v Speaker 1>A version of the flu. That's what you depressed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Yeah, you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit the country into sort of having these kind of experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, the Naicebo effect. You Like, I tell

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<v Speaker 2>people hypothetically, if they wanted to pull off everything that

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<v Speaker 2>they pulled off in twenty twenty, without an actual virus,

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<v Speaker 2>they could have done it. It's called the Naicebo effect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you tell everybody on the news every single night there's

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<v Speaker 2>something going around. You're going to die. These are the symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a n mass emotional reaction of fear

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<v Speaker 2>and anxiety, and they're ruminating on those side effects and things,

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<v Speaker 2>you will have a global pandemic. And you didn't spend

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<v Speaker 2>a diamond. There's no virus. Now I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what happened, but I'm saying that's the power of

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<v Speaker 2>these niciebo effects and the powers that be know these

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<v Speaker 2>things and with words, with language. Absolutely there's magic in

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<v Speaker 2>that we've got. You know, we've all heard the adages spelling,

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<v Speaker 2>cursive writing, vow l's, we've got the L in there, grammar, grammar, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. I knew there was another one, thank you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know that they know what they're doing and

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<v Speaker 2>they're really good at it. And so with some of

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<v Speaker 2>these sleep proalysis things and the UFO phenomenon and the

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal activity, and so let me give you a few examples,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, typically when I'm on these shows, we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about all the phenomenal stuff, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the demonic stuff and the spiritual stuff. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>some of the smoke and mirrors stuff. They have technology

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<v Speaker 2>now that can reproduce every aspect of the sleep proalysis experience.

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<v Speaker 2>There are medications, there's muscle inhibitors sec siny coaline used

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<v Speaker 2>by every E M T. And you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>want to sedate a person or like you want to,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to sedate a person before you intubate them,

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't want to just shove a tube down

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<v Speaker 2>people's mouths. It's just people don't like it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they they have to give you a sedative before they

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<v Speaker 2>give you sec city coal. And because sixcinny coaline mimics

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<v Speaker 2>so many of the uncomfortable aspects of sleep paralysis that

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<v Speaker 2>it terrifies people, and so they sedate them, then they

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<v Speaker 2>give them the sacciny coline, and then they intubate them.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's an awesome article I reference it in my

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<v Speaker 2>murder Weapon. And if you od somebody on sixciny coline,

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<v Speaker 2>they will actually die of what will absolutely feel like

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<v Speaker 2>a sleep paralysis experience. They can't move as a heavy

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<v Speaker 2>weight on their chest, they feel like they can't breathe,

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<v Speaker 2>their heart is pounding. They have this terror. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. And as far as the shadow people go,

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<v Speaker 2>there's two different ways technologically or through frequency that you

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<v Speaker 2>can mimic a shadow person. There are certain quadrants of

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<v Speaker 2>will see a shadow person as well as frequencies, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I can't rememb that there's a frequency threshold that

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<v Speaker 2>our human ear can hear. But if you're under like

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<v Speaker 2>four hurts something like that, you'll see supernatural or paranormal phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>And great articles online about there was a man who

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<v Speaker 2>at night, and other people would report it and they

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<v Speaker 2>were scared and they thought the place was haunted. Long

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<v Speaker 2>story short, there was a desk fan in the office

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<v Speaker 2>and it oscillated at under four hurts and it was

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<v Speaker 2>creating these moods and it had the frequency had the

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<v Speaker 2>effect on the brain. And so you could easily if

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to gaslight somebody, like you know, you got

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<v Speaker 2>that spouse you want to knock off, like, you could

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<v Speaker 2>easily if you had the knowledge of various medications, brains, frequencies,

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<v Speaker 2>different things, you could mimic all of this stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll give you another example of paranormal activity that

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<v Speaker 2>seemed really spooky at one point in time, but now

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<v Speaker 2>we have an explanation for it. Several decades when the

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<v Speaker 2>on their phone that weren't there before and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who it was. And messages were showing up on

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<v Speaker 2>their phone. And then you started hearing like really creepy

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<v Speaker 2>photos were showing up in people's photo albums on their phone,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would be pictures of like areas in their

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<v Speaker 2>would be not anything, not a picture that they ever took,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And that's creepy if you tell that story

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<v Speaker 2>in a vacuum. But now we know enough about remote

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<v Speaker 2>desktop viewing and what people can do. Anybody in an

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<v Speaker 2>IT department. We know that there are people in various

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at various desks in government where they can access

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<v Speaker 2>your phone. They can turn it on, they can plant

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<v Speaker 2>files in your computer, they can take them out. You

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<v Speaker 2>can photoshop a spooky picture and stick it on someone's phone.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing creepy about that. And so some of this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we're experiencing, I do think we're being totally

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<v Speaker 2>trolled because we don't we're behind the technology that's available,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it looks like they've got some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's something, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh but you got the whole Havana syndrome where somehow

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<v Speaker 3>electro frequencies caused all these diplomats to fall ill. And

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, just now they're starting to actually admit

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<v Speaker 3>that this stuff exists, which is crazy. The CIA wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>pay out their own employees because they said that technology

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh one, I mean been trolled since the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of time. But with the technology and even what did

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<v Speaker 2>But if you actually read on Tesla's laser gun or

419
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<v Speaker 2>ray gun or whatever it was called, I can't bring

420
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<v Speaker 2>it to my mind. It was a very moment Was

421
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<v Speaker 2>it a.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Ray Yeah, there's such a cheesy, silly name, And I

423
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:30.240
<v Speaker 1>was just like, what you made? What?

424
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<v Speaker 2>I know? I know, but if you read on that,

425
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>it was it was frequency technology. It was this whole

426
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<v Speaker 2>like you know, disemboweling crowds and kind of stuff like that,

427
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<v Speaker 2>you know, And so I mean, when you think about

428
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<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that they were privy to in

429
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<v Speaker 2>the in nineteen oh one, and you're talking about Tesla's

430
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like Wi Fi tower out on the East coast and

431
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:55.880
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, they they knew how to tap into

432
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<v Speaker 2>this stuff a long time ago. And so I absolutely

433
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<v Speaker 2>without discrediting the reality that some people experience. You know,

434
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<v Speaker 2>there are people that have interfaced with beings, whether it's

435
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:13.720
<v Speaker 2>an alien abduction or it's some sort of like I mean,

436
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>we know people astral project and they go and they

437
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.480
<v Speaker 2>talk to ascended masters in spirit guys, like, we know

438
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that there's validity to these things. But as far as

439
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.799
<v Speaker 2>the general masses of people that don't look into these

440
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>things and haven't experienced these things, when these sort of

441
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<v Speaker 2>things happen to them, I think that there's a disconnect

442
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<v Speaker 2>really in how much they are able to mimic through

443
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<v Speaker 2>technology and frequency.

444
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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, especially that time dilation aspect. Yes, if you're hitting

445
00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:51.000
<v Speaker 3>somebody with these frequencies and you're dilating their time perspective,

446
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:56.799
<v Speaker 3>it changes the entire nature of the witness testimony, you know,

447
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<v Speaker 3>because everything could be happening differently, but because you're being

448
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.000
<v Speaker 3>hit with that time dilation, it makes everything sound you know,

449
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<v Speaker 3>completely bizarre.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, absolutely.

451
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<v Speaker 1>A while ago we had a guest on Leon Southgate

452
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<v Speaker 1>and now he's just somebody who plays around with orgone,

453
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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you were mentioning before, kind of like

454
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<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to go somewhere with this, like

455
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<v Speaker 1>either trolling like you were saying before. I do think

456
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>that's possible people with the government playing with things and

457
00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:28.279
<v Speaker 1>we're getting side effects, you know. But like and where

458
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going with d is like we had a guy

459
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<v Speaker 1>Leon on our show who plays with orgon and he'll

460
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>he charges it enough to where it's like if he

461
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<v Speaker 1>puts on the spin cycle on his you know, washing machine,

462
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he starts getting like weird stuff going on in his house. Ah.

463
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<v Speaker 1>But like it's even gotten to the point where and

464
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<v Speaker 1>I don't first if you met the guy, honestly, I

465
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's lying. You know, go back and listen

466
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>to the show if you haven't, you know, not you,

467
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>but just people listening. I honestly don't think this guy's

468
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<v Speaker 1>making this up. And he has actually published papers on orgone.

469
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<v Speaker 1>So it's like he's not he's not stupid, he's not

470
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<v Speaker 1>making this scrap up. But he he said, one time

471
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<v Speaker 1>he had it charged so much that like painters showed

472
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<v Speaker 1>up at his like kind of at his loft, the

473
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<v Speaker 1>flat or wherever he lives in this apartment place. And

474
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<v Speaker 1>you know how like sometimes vans will have like pipes

475
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<v Speaker 1>on the side of them. You know, they have like

476
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<v Speaker 1>that thing that they lock into, yeah, pipe, so they'll

477
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 1>have like things in class or whatever. They had pipes

478
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>in there, but they were standing up. He literally said,

479
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>from the oregone being charged so much. Now at this point,

480
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>now what I'm getting at too, at this point, tell

481
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 1>me this ain't going into your fucking neighbors. I ain't

482
00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:30.559
<v Speaker 1>believing it. This shit got all the way out into

483
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the street, went up into those tubes and since there

484
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>were coppit tubes, started changing the sky because he was

485
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a cloudbuster at this point, and that's what he does.

486
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>He cloudbusts. He makes all those guns and stuff. You

487
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.319
<v Speaker 1>tell me that stuff. Somebody saw that shit? What the

488
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>fuck you think you're looking at? But it's some dude

489
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:52.599
<v Speaker 1>inside his house playing with orgone. You could be next door,

490
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, hear and shit fucking he says, if

491
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 1>he sits next to it and charges it enough, he

492
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>thinks a question, he gets an answer. He hasn't really

493
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<v Speaker 1>gone into it too much because I think he is

494
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 1>mind blown by But what what if that's happening to

495
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you next door? You have no idea. It's just fucking

496
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>doing harmless guy fucking fucking around with his toys.

497
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly exactly.

498
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>And if the government's playing with that shit, how the

499
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck do we know what it's going on with us?

500
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<v Speaker 3>Well, all that Oregon stuff is happening in the earth

501
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 3>as we as we speak right now, So there's a

502
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 3>lot of different areas that can produce these different types

503
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 3>of effects that reproducing at his house, you know. So

504
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot of this goes into the geography and the

505
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 3>way that the energy moves around you.

506
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you know. It's interesting because obviously I believe

507
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>in paranormal activity. I believe that there is a spiritual realm.

508
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I believe that there's beings and entities that may or

509
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>may not can or cannot interact with us, and that

510
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>people have interacted with them. So I'm not negating that

511
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I talk to people every day who are interfacing with

512
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 2>these with these things. But I'm loving the way that

513
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>this conversation is going because we rarely get to talk

514
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.400
<v Speaker 2>about this, and that is that there is also a

515
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<v Speaker 2>point where, you know, if I was the general of

516
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>an army and I only had ten soldiers, if I

517
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 2>could get some smoke and mirrors and some lighting and

518
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>some photoshopping, and I could get the enemy to think

519
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>I actually had you know, ten thousand soldiers instead of ten,

520
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I would utilize that right. And so I do think

521
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not that I don't think that these entities exist

522
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and that some of them are, you know, not our

523
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 2>friends and whatnot. But I think if you removed their infrastructure,

524
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.440
<v Speaker 2>which is all the stuff known and unknown to us,

525
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 2>like what we're talking about now, the geology, the lay lines,

526
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the frequencies, the electromagnetic, the five G, the tech, all

527
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff, if you took all of the infrastructure away,

528
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I think that the stuff that was really magical and

529
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 2>spiritual would be exponentially smaller than we think it is,

530
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 2>because I think they've built an infrastructure that magnifies their power.

531
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I've actually have wondered that if if we're actually being

532
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to put us into a state where magical

533
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 1>exfects or magic is actually easy to conduct and that

534
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>some people just experiencing its in the situation.

535
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<v Speaker 3>This goes into exactly that point, because it's like these

536
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 3>these different frequencies, these different states that you're being sort

537
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 3>of projected into, would be the best place for these

538
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 3>intelligences to hang out, if you know, if they're out there.

539
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 3>So obviously this is like the playground for all that stuff.

540
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.759
<v Speaker 3>And I think it could go back to resident frequencies,

541
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Like you were talking about that that very low Hurtz

542
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.599
<v Speaker 3>ratio usually picks up a resonance within a given room.

543
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 3>So if you're if you're adding this to the total

544
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.119
<v Speaker 3>amount of energy in there, you're talking about changing not

545
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 3>only your perception of that reaction based off of the

546
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 3>resident frequency of those spaces, but you're talking about actually

547
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 3>changing the nature of the matter itself. So a lot

548
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 3>of stuff could come through those specific states simply based

549
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 3>off of the fact that it produces a much more

550
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 3>harmonious kind of environment.

551
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, absolutely, I would love to get your guys'

552
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>take on this. When these two worlds collide, you've got

553
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>technology and you've got technology that's advanced beyond what the

554
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 2>consumer knows is available, so it will appear magical to them,

555
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but it really is just tech. But then you do

556
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>have an element of the paranormal now using that technology

557
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>as a conduit. So the paranormal is also involved. And

558
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 2>so one of the things one of the cases I've

559
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:52.839
<v Speaker 2>been really interested in, and I haven't heard too many

560
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.599
<v Speaker 2>people talk about it, but are you guys familiar with

561
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 2>the Dottleston case kind of back in the eighties in Wales,

562
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully I'm going to piece these details together. This

563
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 2>was back in the eighties when like it was the

564
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.880
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the information age, and Margaret Batcher really wanted

565
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 2>to get computer literacy into all of the schools, and

566
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>so they got a hold of a computer like kind

567
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.720
<v Speaker 2>of you know, for the classrooms, and they called it

568
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the BBC Micro. Okay, that was the name of the computer,

569
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 2>and it was basically you would hook it up to

570
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a CRT and it was just basic functionality. And they

571
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 2>had a like a word processing program. I can't remember

572
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:36.400
<v Speaker 2>what it was called. It was something very basic, like

573
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>like we call it word It was something like that,

574
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>but you could pull up a basic word processing document

575
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 2>and then you could save a file and you could

576
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 2>save a file to your desktop or something like that.

577
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>So this guy, I believe his name was Ken, and

578
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>he was living with his girlfriend named Debbie, and then

579
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 2>they had a third guy living with them named Nick.

580
00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 2>And so these three guys, Gal and guys. They the

581
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 2>school that Ken I think his name is, the school

582
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.119
<v Speaker 2>that he worked at. They had enough of these BBC

583
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>micros that teachers were actually allowed to bring some of

584
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.519
<v Speaker 2>them home because they wanted to really encourage the teachers

585
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.519
<v Speaker 2>to interact with them and get to know how to

586
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>use them and be more effective teachers, because computer literacy

587
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>was like the driving force in the eighties. So they

588
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.599
<v Speaker 2>bring home one of these BBC micros, they go to

589
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.559
<v Speaker 2>the pub for the night, and they come back and

590
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 2>there's a saved file on the desktop that nobody wrote,

591
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>and they opened it up and it was just a

592
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 2>goofy encoded weird, nonsensical kind of a message, and they

593
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.799
<v Speaker 2>were just like whatever, and deleted it, brought the micro

594
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>back and didn't think anything of it. So a few

595
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.000
<v Speaker 2>months passed by and they end up borrowing the BBC

596
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>micro again a second time, and it's the same machine

597
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 2>and same thing happens, they come back and oh and

598
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>I will, I will. This detail is integral. Both times

599
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:06.759
<v Speaker 2>when they came home and there was a file saved

600
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>on their desktop that wasn't familiar to them. Both times

601
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>was a time where they neglected to shut the machine

602
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 2>down before they left, so they left it on, they

603
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't power it down. And that's not so much of

604
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 2>a big deal now, but back in the eighties, if

605
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you had a computer, you shut it down every time,

606
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:26.519
<v Speaker 2>and so when they didn't, these messages would so long

607
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>story short, they started communicating with the man who lived

608
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>on their property in the fifteen hundreds, and it was

609
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 2>a man from the past, and he called the BBC

610
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>micro like the box of lights, but in weird like

611
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 2>old Anglo Saxon English, right, And what he claimed was

612
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 2>that someone named two one oh nine came from the

613
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>future and dropped this box off in his fifteen you know,

614
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundreds farmhouse. And how he got that thing to

615
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>work where he plugged it in, god only knows. I

616
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But so they were all communicating with two

617
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 2>to one oh nine from the future. And I can't

618
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>remember what the guy's name was. It was l somebody

619
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>from the past, from the fifteen hundreds, and that can

620
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:26.679
<v Speaker 2>all easily be chalked off now to remote desktop, somebody

621
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:29.159
<v Speaker 2>messing with them. Easily. We could do that. If we

622
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>had the technology, we could hack into our friends computer

623
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.039
<v Speaker 2>and screw with them. It'd be great, it'd be so

624
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.440
<v Speaker 2>much fun. But what's interesting about the Doddalston case is,

625
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and this kind of goes back to that if you

626
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>build it, they will come. They established communication with this

627
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 2>two one oh nine, so they willingly permitted this. They

628
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>entered into willing communication with whatever two one o nine was,

629
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>whatever whatever this was. You could chalk it all off

630
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to tech manipul except for the fact that Debbie, the girlfriend,

631
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>started experiencing extreme paranormal activity where things were moving around

632
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.199
<v Speaker 2>in the house. She was painting one of the rooms,

633
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and she would come in and there would be footprints

634
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 2>all over on the floor. They became so afraid of

635
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.360
<v Speaker 2>this house that they actually moved out. They still owned

636
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the house, but they moved out. They couldn't live in

637
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 2>it anymore. And Debbie was developing this whole past life

638
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that she had had with one of these computer personalities,

639
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a repressed old life was coming out

640
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>and she was talking about the dates that they had

641
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.519
<v Speaker 2>been on and there was other paranormal activity like hair

642
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 2>pulling and whatever. So here we have a situation where

643
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 2>there probably was a tech infrastructure, there probably was some

644
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 2>human intervention and experimentation with early remote desktop and things

645
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>like that, but the way that it was presented was

646
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 2>to foist it upon humans who didn't know they were

647
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>part of the experiment. And it also gave birth to

648
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 2>a larger paranormal experience. And Ken ended up writing a

649
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>book about it, and it ended up sort of having

650
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>an influence into the collective consciousness of did something from

651
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 2>the past or did some sort of spirit speak to

652
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>them through this box? Or was it just the tech

653
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 2>or was it a little bit of both. And that's

654
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that's where I'm curious, is where do these two worlds collide.

655
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>And when you take away the tech and the frequency

656
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and all the things that they know how to manipulate,

657
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 2>at what point do we still keep our minds open

658
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>that there are entities that can ride on the coattails

659
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of all of this experimentation and this toying in this

660
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>tech and use it to their advantage as open doors

661
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 2>of access to communicate with us, because I think that

662
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.079
<v Speaker 2>they do want to communicate with us, and I think

663
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people out there that want to

664
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 2>be communicated with. And so it's interesting to me how

665
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>we're in this new era where instead of the more

666
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>religious conduits and tools like Luigi boards and the different

667
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 2>things that we used to use for communication, it's now

668
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 2>turning into technology. And you can go all the way

669
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.519
<v Speaker 2>into the chat GPTs and the sentient you know, AI

670
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff that this is the direction that

671
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 2>we're going. And I do think that the divination of

672
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:36.559
<v Speaker 2>the future is going to be far more technical than

673
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 2>it is magical.

674
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, we do see a lot of that going on

675
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 3>within the ghost talktic communities. They're turning more to these

676
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.400
<v Speaker 3>radio frequencies that pick up words based on true.

677
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.159
<v Speaker 1>Spirit box stuff like that.

678
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Good point. Yes, yes, those things.

679
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Are freaking man. Yeah, it's that much different these computers

680
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 3>and these cell phones. I mean, that's all they're dealing

681
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.519
<v Speaker 3>with frequency. So I mean, how much of that is

682
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:05.719
<v Speaker 3>open circuitry being translated in there? How much of that

683
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 3>is the remote desktop idea? I know, if you're talking

684
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 3>about Thatcher's time period, I don't think there was any

685
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 3>Internet back then, so not.

686
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>That we knew, not that the deplorables knew about No Vicky.

687
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 4>Your case reminds me of everything from Charles back who

688
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 4>invented first analytical differential system back in eighteen twenty two,

689
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 4>when it was claimed that he evinated of being potentially

690
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 4>the devil and attempted to make contact, and that he

691
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.760
<v Speaker 4>gave them He gave him, I guess, kind of like

692
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:46.079
<v Speaker 4>a blueprint of how to tap in to an electrical

693
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 4>side or some sort of create a conduit to tap

694
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 4>into another realm or whatever to kind of make this communication.

695
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.639
<v Speaker 4>And so when you hear the story of Charles Babbage

696
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 4>and then with that case, it reminds me of get

697
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 4>his name, I always mispronounced it, Jordy.

698
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the D wave computing.

699
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.679
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, he claims that eventually it will allow them

700
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 4>to speak to the old ones, the Lovecraftian old ones,

701
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 4>and so have this this type of energy type frequencies

702
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 4>that you're tapping into for the sake of communication.

703
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 2>It begs the whole bringing.

704
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Up the Robert Monroe of tapping into different frequencies and

705
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:41.039
<v Speaker 4>all the patents that exist for frequency technology, looking at waves,

706
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:44.039
<v Speaker 4>looking at theta waves, looking at all kinds of brain

707
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 4>manipulation with these frequencies that you could potentially not only

708
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 4>tap into a creative realm or maybe like a paranormal realm,

709
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 4>but also a realm to where you can dip in

710
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.960
<v Speaker 4>and out of, you know, however, want to manipulate the situation.

711
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I do think. Well, this is the way

712
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 2>that they're introducing it to us. How much control we

713
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.800
<v Speaker 2>really have? But when you when you talk about noetic sovereignty,

714
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>this is the big AI kind of conversation. Now, how

715
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>much control over my cerebral intellectual property am I going

716
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>to control? Is this going to be a total recall

717
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>thing where I go in and I get to choose

718
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>where I shift and my realities? Or do you have

719
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of pre programmed stuff and you're just

720
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 2>shoving in the trip to the Bermuda, you know, the

721
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you know Bahamas and you're shoving in the you know,

722
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you just got married to a celebrity. Like, how much

723
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>noetic sovereignty are we going to have?

724
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Now?

725
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>What's interesting? I just did a podcast I don't even

726
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 2>think it's released yet because we just recorded it with

727
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the Christian Theological dark Web. I believe it's called with

728
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Ricky Lee and Shelley Allman, and we talked the whole

729
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>time about the Halo, which is this new device that's

730
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in a prototype model now and it's two young guys.

731
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I think Eric Wohlberg is one of the creators of this.

732
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>He's working with some people that used to work for

733
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Musk's neural Lace technology. And it's this headband that you

734
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>were at night, and it does not induce or create

735
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 2>lucid dreams, but through pulses, it picks up when you

736
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>get into ram and it picks up when you are

737
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:28.519
<v Speaker 2>having a moment of lucidity, and it will extend that

738
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>time of lucidity for you. And of course it's all

739
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 2>based upon the shoulders of Robert Monroe's work and the

740
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Hemi sink technology, the brain entrainment and all these bi

741
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 2>moral beats and all that stuff. But it's interesting how

742
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 2>we are now getting into these realms. And the name

743
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.119
<v Speaker 2>of the prototype because they're calling it the Halo now

744
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>and the name of the company is Prophetic, so Prophetic

745
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 2>AI and they've got all of these little hat tips

746
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>in the name. It's a Halo by Prophetic, and the

747
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 2>interface that you work with that hooks to the headband

748
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>is called the totem. You know, So we've got inception

749
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of ideas now too as well. But what's interesting

750
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:21.000
<v Speaker 2>is the prototype for this halo was called the Morpheus one.

751
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And so some people will think of the matrix, but

752
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 2>other people will think obviously of Morpheus, the god of

753
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 2>sleep and dreams. But what's really interesting is if you

754
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>go beyond that, the actual Morpheus, which we get from

755
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Ovid's book, right, the Greek word that's based on is morphae,

756
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 2>and morphe does not mean sleep or dream or conscious

757
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or rest or anything of the like. Morphe means fashioner,

758
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and it means to form or to shape. And so

759
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to talk about my nooetic sovereignty, but

760
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 2>you're going to all this device Morpheus, which is some

761
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of a god that can form and shape my conscience,

762
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 2>who does have the sovereignty in this situation? And I

763
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 2>think that's kind of one of the ethical debates that's

764
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.239
<v Speaker 2>going on now in the tech realm when it comes

765
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.159
<v Speaker 2>to lucid dreaming or reality shifting as the young'ins call

766
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 2>it now. But you know, how do I know even

767
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>when I'm lucid and I'm allegedly calling the shots. How

768
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>are you going to assure me with all of this

769
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 2>technology and potential dream characters that they sort of nebulously

770
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:40.199
<v Speaker 2>call it. How do I know that when all of

771
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.599
<v Speaker 2>these frequencies are pulsing in my head at night and

772
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm running into dream characters that I'm now communicating with,

773
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>coming into agreement with, giving invitation to How, at the

774
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 2>end of the day do I really know I'm still

775
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>maintaining my noetic sovereignty when I'm potentially in a world

776
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 2>that I am not a cit of enough. How do

777
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I get all of my ethical rights as a human

778
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.199
<v Speaker 2>being on someone else's turf? And these are some questions

779
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to really have to answer, and I

780
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think that they're prepared to answer them quite yet.

781
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 2>They're just running excitedly down, barreling down the train track

782
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.519
<v Speaker 2>because they have the technology, because they can do it.

783
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But I think some of the foundational questions haven't been

784
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>answered yet.

785
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 4>Didn't some of the people that participated in the prototype

786
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 4>claim that it halo the prototype, that it created false

787
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.079
<v Speaker 4>profits for them, and that it was prophetic and that

788
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 4>it was predicting things. Yes, ye vaguely remember because I

789
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 4>remember when that came about, because it was right about

790
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.360
<v Speaker 4>the time when I believe there were certain industries that

791
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 4>were pain patents to be able to download what is

792
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 4>it called commercials into your brain during sleep. Oh no,

793
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 4>remember that. I don't know if you remember that, but

794
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 4>they were fine kill me now. This prototype thing we

795
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 4>have dreams of, like gelett me.

796
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Was one of them. You're in You're in that dream

797
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 2>and like you're right about you're right at the part

798
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>we interrupt.

799
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 1>This, We interrupt this dream.

800
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Grandpa's back.

801
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Strata of media invading your dreams? What a nightmare?

802
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Dude? Who who?

803
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 3>What?

804
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>You know? Something? When you were saying before about it,

805
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.519
<v Speaker 1>I guess kind of like I guess you're kind of saying, like,

806
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.320
<v Speaker 1>is your idea? Is really your own? This is China.

807
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the name. Now. I do want to

808
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>try to get him on. I honestly think unfortunately the

809
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.199
<v Speaker 1>shows two occult to the guy, but he really has

810
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>some real good work, like putting he'd be putting out

811
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>microphones out in different areas, in caves outside the woods

812
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>all over and let's it record, and then he throws

813
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it in this thing and goes and picks up this stuff.

814
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>There is legit specific stuff being said in the airways

815
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that you can pick up and hear. Wow. But it's

816
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:17.639
<v Speaker 1>just like when it comes to this, like people who

817
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>are schizophrenic, are they really hearing something actually that's actually

818
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 1>really there? How do you know the pills that they're

819
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>taking doesn't make them more successible to the ship that's

820
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 1>out there? They do?

821
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 2>They do? And it's like, is it the cover story

822
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 2>for the people? Like I always love to quote this

823
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>because man, as a writer, there's always those things that

824
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 2>you read and you're like, oh, I didn't I write that?

825
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.280
<v Speaker 1>It was so there was this guy pulled. It was

826
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>specific too. You clearly heard it saying specific things. It

827
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even like, oh, trying to figure out you.

828
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Know the I love the opening paragraph of Call of

829
00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Cthulhu and Lisa. You had mentioned Lovecraft earlier. Basically that

830
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>sentence or two in a nutshell is humans are on

831
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 2>this island, this placid island of ignorance. And the reason

832
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that their ignorance is because all of the sciences, which

833
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>used to be one collective quantum entangled puzzle all put together,

834
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 2>has been blasted and the puzzle pieces have all strained

835
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 2>so far away in so many directions that no one

836
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 2>understands anymore that all of the pieces used to connect.

837
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Science does have to do with math, and math does

838
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.360
<v Speaker 2>have to do with reading, and it does have to

839
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 2>do with language and spelling and history. This stuff is

840
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.400
<v Speaker 2>and what we have now is we're living in a

841
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>world where we have brains in our head that are

842
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 2>pattern recognition systems. That's the way our brains work. We

843
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 2>recognize patterns. And we're now in a place where when

844
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 2>people start to recognize patterns, they're connecting dots that supposedly

845
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 2>don't connect. So what happens, we're called crazy. You're connecting

846
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>all these dots that has nothing to do with each other.

847
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 2>But that's our brain is designed to recognize patterns, and

848
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>it's hard for us to recognize patterns because in America

849
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:23.320
<v Speaker 2>we were on a linear We do things chronologically. We

850
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>read and we write and we report news. We gather

851
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>our information linear on a linear scale. But if you

852
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>go to Hebraic thought, if you go to Asian thought,

853
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Speaker 2>we've got circular logic. Over here, we've got compartmentalized or

854
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:49.119
<v Speaker 2>block logic in the Semitics. And so if we compartmentalized

855
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>our information in blocks or categories or pigeonholes instead of

856
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 2>linear we would connect far more dots because instead of

857
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the language exactly, it.

858
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 3>Is encoded in these different like these different pigeonholes. And

859
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.840
<v Speaker 3>it made sense of the universe by making these associations exactly.

860
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 2>And we lose the ability to make those associations when

861
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 2>we only live eighty years and we don't know what

862
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.400
<v Speaker 2>happened one hundred years ago week we don't. Let's put

863
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.320
<v Speaker 2>every plague that ever happened together in one category. Now

864
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 2>we can see all the commonalities, but we can't because

865
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.360
<v Speaker 2>we only remember one of them because it was only

866
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.679
<v Speaker 2>our lifetime, and maybe Grandpa told us about another one.

867
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 2>So all this to say sorry really quick.

868
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 4>That reminds me of the movie Arrival whenever us the

869
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 4>circular language and how it completely reshaped her brain and

870
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:44.679
<v Speaker 4>allowed her to be able to see more connections in

871
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:47.719
<v Speaker 4>more things than she could when she's just on a

872
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 4>linear timeline or a linear language. And exactly the thing

873
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 4>is that they have kind of not dumbed us down,

874
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 4>but made it so simplistic in the way that we

875
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 4>look at things that by removing this circular form or

876
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 4>block form of language, they have almost shut down that part.

877
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 4>We're help to be able to make the connection. Sorry,

878
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:12.079
<v Speaker 4>dont mean to interrupt.

879
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, perfectly said that. You've perfectly said that. And

880
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 2>what's really interesting is Lovecraft goes on to say that

881
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 2>one day, when we piece all this information back together,

882
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have two options. This was the first

883
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 2>original way of saying red bill, blue pill. Right. Your

884
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 2>two options are you're either going to take the blue

885
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 2>pill and just kind of comatosely zombie state, enter into

886
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the New Dark Age and you're going to like it

887
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>whether you like it or not. Or does anyone remember

888
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 2>the second option? If you don't want to go with

889
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the New Dark Age? Anyone, anyone, you go mad, you

890
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.960
<v Speaker 2>get a schizophrenia label. And that's where we're at. If

891
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:04.119
<v Speaker 2>you have the ability need to peace disassociated knowledge together

892
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that isn't disassociated, but it's ahead of the angenda, you

893
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>will get a mental illness label.

894
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.800
<v Speaker 1>That's that's even where like where I even go with

895
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>when I've had magical experiences, I said, I could see

896
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>how people might think that this schizophrenic, or they could

897
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>be deemed schizophrenic if maybe they got stuck in one

898
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 1>for too long and sort of telling people the wrong

899
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>people about it, but like because because it is almost

900
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.079
<v Speaker 1>like just from my experience, it's like I think you're

901
00:51:28.119 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 1>saying it before, and I've said it in so many

902
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>ways myself. I feel like you kind of get rewired

903
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and things start making sense that never made sense in

904
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.679
<v Speaker 1>your head before. You will like even see images of

905
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>things somehow. Like it's almost like if somebody's putting cards

906
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.119
<v Speaker 1>down like you're and you understood how all of them

907
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>connected or something. It's it's hard to explain, but yeah,

908
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's really weird. And like I and you

909
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.320
<v Speaker 1>almost you have ideas that are almost so loud that

910
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 1>it's as if somebody is talking to you, but you're

911
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>not really hearing a voice, but it's like a shouting

912
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like knowing ahead. And it's really weird. And I could see,

913
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 1>like I could see that getting confused maybe sometimes.

914
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, here's the irony too. So let's look at this.

915
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Let's take the diamond and turn it and look at

916
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 2>a different facet for a moment. Let's look at this

917
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 2>now through an eschatological lens. So eschatology the study of

918
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 2>the end of all things or the reset you know,

919
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 2>in biblical terms, this would be revelation, you know, prophetic

920
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 2>end times kind of stuff. Daniel, who lived in the

921
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Babylonian Empire during the time of one of the dispersions,

922
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 2>when they were brought to Babylon, he had all these

923
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 2>prophetic visions, right, and he wrote them down and we're

924
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 2>still waiting for them to happen because they were predictions

925
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of the end times and a lot of what Daniel

926
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of what got downloaded into Daniel's brain,

927
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and those visions were confirmed because John the Revelator saw

928
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 2>the same things. So here's the deal. Here's what's really fascinating.

929
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Here's where I'm going with this. We aren't allowed to

930
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.280
<v Speaker 2>understand arcane knowledge, right, We're not allowed to have that information.

931
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 2>We're not allowed to connect dots. We're not allowed to

932
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 2>collect allegedly dissociated knowledge and put the pieces back together.

933
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And if we try to, we will be shadow band,

934
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 2>will be labeled crazy, will be shut down, our YouTube

935
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 2>channel will get deleted, will get sick, will be suicided,

936
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 2>whatever happens. Right, But here's the deal. Answer the exactly

937
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the fourth beast that rises from the sea, who will

938
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:45.559
<v Speaker 2>maintain global power and control interestingly, do you know what

939
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 2>he is known for? And why do people revere him?

940
00:53:54.039 --> 00:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Don't He understands dark sayings? So he's allowed to put

941
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 2>all the disassociated knowledge back together into a big puzzle

942
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and look like the genius. And so we're stealing his

943
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.800
<v Speaker 2>thunder if we start figuring it out, because stupid human

944
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.719
<v Speaker 2>beings can't know the knowledge that this great fourth beast

945
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that rises us to know. But what's interesting is Lovecraft

946
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:25.039
<v Speaker 2>says that when disassociated knowledge comes back together, you're either

947
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>going to accept it and like it, or you're going

948
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:27.559
<v Speaker 2>to go crazy.

949
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's what I get at with the magical experience.

950
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I've even said this once on Twitter, that sometimes you

951
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 1>may get answers to questions you didn't fucking ask or

952
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.960
<v Speaker 1>even want to ask. And that shit can fuck with

953
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:42.800
<v Speaker 1>your head.

954
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.639
<v Speaker 2>It can, you know, similar to heavy is the head

955
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:51.960
<v Speaker 2>that wears the crown right, And this is a good example.

956
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said that, actually, Nick, because Daniel, who

957
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 2>had all of these visions of the end that he

958
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:03.960
<v Speaker 2>did not ask for either, he was physically ill for

959
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 2>weeks after getting these visions. He was physically ill. And

960
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>this is the thing, this is where I find it interesting.

961
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>When you are traveling in church circles, there's always those

962
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:20.400
<v Speaker 2>people that will announce to you I am a prophet,

963
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I have the gift of prophecy. If you go to church,

964
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 2>you know at least ten people who believe they have

965
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a gift of prophecy, right, but what they fail to

966
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 2>do and any one of us, if you've had a

967
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of sleep paralysis, or you've been pulled out of

968
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>your body, or you've been in the astral realm, you

969
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 2>will notice that once that has happened, you're pretty chronically

970
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 2>fatigued for the next couple of days. You're tired, you're drained,

971
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you're confused, you're kind of looking over your shoulder like

972
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you're in a very frenetic emotional state. And when people

973
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 2>come up to me and say I have a gift

974
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 2>of prophecy, and I had this stream and this and

975
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:01.400
<v Speaker 2>he said that, and he said this, and this is

976
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna be great. Like you're too cavalier, you're too cheering,

977
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and you got way too much energy.

978
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I've said that because I said caring dancing around you ever, see,

979
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>like when people have that start dancing, karment that they

980
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:15.639
<v Speaker 1>had is spirit you know, spiritual awakening. I'm like, yo,

981
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't be not not that fucking happy.

982
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 2>You would not You'd be more freaked out, you'd be

983
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>a little more humbled, you'd be introspective. And even even

984
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the movies give this away when here's here's a good

985
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 2>example and stranger things. Every time Elle is put in

986
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 2>the water and she has the halo put on and

987
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:40.199
<v Speaker 2>she you know, remote views, she comes back drained and upset,

988
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.280
<v Speaker 2>she's got a nosebleed. She doesn't want to do this.

989
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Every time she's told she has to go into the tank,

990
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 2>it's it's psychologically traumatizing for her. So anybody that says that, oh,

991
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I interface with all these beings and love and like

992
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 2>everything's great and they're doing jumping jacks and stuff, I'm like,

993
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who you were interfacing with because the

994
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.199
<v Speaker 2>examples that we have in especially in the scriptures, but

995
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.760
<v Speaker 2>other places as well, when you're really interfacing with these beings,

996
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 2>there is an emotional, mental, psychological drain. And if you're

997
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 2>interfacing with them often over a period of time or

998
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 2>your whole life, or you know, I talk to people

999
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.039
<v Speaker 2>and I myself as well. I had sleep paralysis for

1000
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 2>over forty years. I still have it every now and then.

1001
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>But when that happens to you, it has a mental, physical, emotional, psychological,

1002
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.400
<v Speaker 2>spiritual effect on you and the way you think and

1003
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the way you speak and the way So these are

1004
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the kind of signs I look for when I'm looking

1005
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 2>for authenticity in someone's experiences.

1006
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 1>No, uh, I was doing is there was something earlier before.

1007
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I think you're talking about experiences and how people would

1008
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 1>like kind of like you know, if you get enough witnesses,

1009
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, it'd almost be kind of like just you know,

1010
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 1>becomes real. I guess just they and like you know,

1011
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:10.320
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. I mean, I'll even use I'll

1012
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.519
<v Speaker 1>use this one as an example because we covered her

1013
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 1>like Hildegarde, Saint Hildegard. You know, she had these visions

1014
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and eventually the Vatican took it into consideration and sent

1015
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>somebody all the way to go see her to actually

1016
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>hear what these things were. And obviously must have been

1017
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>something that checked off enough checkboxes the Vatican to say

1018
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 1>this lady had an experience. You know, I do think

1019
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 1>there is certain things that happen when you have these experiences,

1020
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 1>shared shared experiences, you know, I think it is something eventually,

1021
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.280
<v Speaker 1>if you have this experience, it's like tapping into consciousness

1022
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and at that point everybody has that same experience to

1023
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>an extent.

1024
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Yah, and speaking to your point of Hildegard, Hildegard is

1025
00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.440
<v Speaker 4>regarded as a polymath, and if you look at these

1026
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 4>polymouth exactly what you've said, VICKI, this is the moment

1027
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 4>in time when an actual human being is peeping all

1028
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 4>of the disciplines together, mathematics, physics, mysticism, science, music, botany,

1029
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:19.960
<v Speaker 4>whatever it is, they're all together within their brain and

1030
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 4>making these analogy correlations and then outputting something like Hildegard

1031
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:31.400
<v Speaker 4>did and having these mystical experiences. And like Nick, you

1032
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.840
<v Speaker 4>were saying, she was always exhausted, she was always you know,

1033
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.239
<v Speaker 4>she was starving, she was not sleeping, she wasn't eating,

1034
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.280
<v Speaker 4>she was out completely.

1035
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Have you heard have you heard the telepathy tapes yet?

1036
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:51.239
<v Speaker 3>You need to listen to that because that is right, Yeah,

1037
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 3>because thepathy tapes is talking about these kids with autism

1038
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 3>that have it. I guess it would be a sensory

1039
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:05.039
<v Speaker 3>disorder so much so that they can't talk right, And

1040
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 3>so they assumed that these kids were incapable of communication.

1041
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 3>But what they found is that they can type, and

1042
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.199
<v Speaker 3>so these kids have actually been typing really amazing things

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<v Speaker 3>that show that what they have is purely on the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>There is something very found going on on the inside.

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01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 3>And what that has shown is that these kids actually

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<v Speaker 3>have the ability to read their parents' minds and able

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01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 3>to respond before actual stimulus and all the rest of

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01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:37.519
<v Speaker 3>this stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever heard the tapes, But you're absolutely right in

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01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 4>that what we perceived autism as being slow is actually autism.

1051
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.639
<v Speaker 4>Autism is actually fast, and that they are perceiving everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's such a.

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<v Speaker 4>That the sign overload, right, is an actual symptom of

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01:00:56.840 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 4>the fact of the overstimulation. It's almost not not akin

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01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 4>to it, but it's kind of like you take a

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01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:08.360
<v Speaker 4>human voice and you run it through like whatever. However,

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01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.559
<v Speaker 4>mathematical calculation, if you were to speed up the sound

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01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 4>of a whale, it would sound like a human being speaking.

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01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:18.599
<v Speaker 4>If you were to slow down the sound of a

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<v Speaker 4>macaw I'm not sorry, of a chimpanzee, it would actually

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01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:23.960
<v Speaker 4>sound like human being speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all.

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<v Speaker 4>Based on frequencies that if you just slow them down

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01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 4>or speed them up. And the same thing with autism

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01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.000
<v Speaker 4>is that they're perceiving things. It's such a high fast rate.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not that they're slow, it's the opposite of it.

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<v Speaker 3>The most common identifiable symptom that all of these kids

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<v Speaker 3>have is synesthesia.

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<v Speaker 2>They have.

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<v Speaker 4>Between what is it, perceptions of certain things that overlap

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<v Speaker 4>with each other. Correct, Yes, that is what they have.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's almost like usually every single autistic child or

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<v Speaker 4>person has something that they are a genius in which

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<v Speaker 4>does not Genius itself does not happen often in the

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<v Speaker 4>normal human mind.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, normal being.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't have another word for it, but

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01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:21.159
<v Speaker 4>when you look at an autistic functioning brain, you do

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01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:25.440
<v Speaker 4>have genius happening much more often in whatever field that

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01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.280
<v Speaker 4>they do become a genius sin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's something about that sensory area.

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01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Though.

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01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Once you've sort of started messing with that sensory area,

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01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 3>it throws off the outside world while turning on something

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01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 3>on the inside. I mean, you see that happening with

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01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.159
<v Speaker 3>blind people who can, you know, listen their way around

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01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.639
<v Speaker 3>a room just by making clicks. You know, these things

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01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.719
<v Speaker 3>happen in the sensory area more so than anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>And that goes back to what you were saying, Nick,

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01:02:55.440 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 3>about the eyes being this powerful shaper of the soul.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, just something I do when I add to this.

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01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 1>And I know I've I've said on the show a

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01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:07.519
<v Speaker 1>few times, I've joked about it in certain ways, but

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01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.679
<v Speaker 1>I remember the time when I, you know, I've explained

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01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 1>like one time, I kind of like pushed it. I

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01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 1>fucked around with magic like three times within like a

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01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, very close to each other. I did it

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01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:20.000
<v Speaker 1>three times kind of back to back, and I was

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01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 1>like I was pretty twisted to an extent, like mentally

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01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to I guess, and it was to the point to

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01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:31.760
<v Speaker 1>where I couldn't have a text conversation. It was impossible

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01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:34.559
<v Speaker 1>because if you were looked at it after I pushed send,

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01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you'd realize, like there was so much thought that I

1104
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.480
<v Speaker 1>thought I typed and just couldn't do it fast enough

1105
01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and it just made no sense. But in my head,

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01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I knew what I was saying, and like even like

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01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:48.239
<v Speaker 1>even really trying to talk to anybody like physically, I

1108
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 1>had to like really kind of like control myself to

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01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.440
<v Speaker 1>make it sound normal because it like literally I felt

1110
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.280
<v Speaker 1>like I was just stuck at a different speed. It

1111
01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:58.920
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't making sense, and I was like, yeah, it was.

1112
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.199
<v Speaker 1>This was like fucking motistic peoples. Like I was like,

1113
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 1>cause it's just like I would make no sense to somebody,

1114
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:06.440
<v Speaker 1>and if I started telling them the ideas that I

1115
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:08.519
<v Speaker 1>had in my head, they were like, oh, dude, you're crazy,

1116
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Like you're stuck on like some math fucking thing right now,

1117
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.639
<v Speaker 1>or like you know, you're going through like all these

1118
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.320
<v Speaker 1>weird associations, you know, just like weird shit that you know,

1119
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:20.119
<v Speaker 1>someone autistic would be able to pull out of their

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01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.199
<v Speaker 1>ass out of nowhere and just run with you. You

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01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:25.679
<v Speaker 1>will find yourself like that, possibly with a kabala if

1122
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 1>you have a magical experience, oh that you just say,

1123
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:31.599
<v Speaker 1>shit will just like diarrhea of thoughts and you can't

1124
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:36.280
<v Speaker 1>like spin it out. It seems to speep and it's

1125
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 1>it's very uh, it's very annoying and uncomfortable. But I

1126
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:42.280
<v Speaker 1>remember that, like literally I had to like even not

1127
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:43.920
<v Speaker 1>try to talk to people for like a day or

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01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 1>two through text because I was just like I can't

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01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 1>even make sense.

1130
01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm.

1131
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Download right, so like a download of information is it's yeah.

1132
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:00.760
<v Speaker 1>It's even like your thoughts so like the speed of

1133
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a download at that point too, And it's like as

1134
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:07.159
<v Speaker 1>to this fact. Yeah, it's very weird. It's very weird, Picky.

1135
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 4>I had a question you were talking about going back

1136
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:13.119
<v Speaker 4>a little bit back to sleep paralysis, that it only

1137
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:16.360
<v Speaker 4>happens in RM, and that that be the jumping off point,

1138
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.280
<v Speaker 4>or that that would be the point of that. I

1139
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 4>guess it is most easily able to I guess astrallly

1140
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:25.159
<v Speaker 4>have that experience.

1141
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1142
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:27.920
<v Speaker 2>A couple of questions.

1143
01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.119
<v Speaker 4>Is it linked to I know it's linked to ARAM,

1144
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:33.599
<v Speaker 4>but is it linked to time at night?

1145
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Does it happen between the hours of like two to four?

1146
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.159
<v Speaker 4>Ortisol is has not only tapered off, but is beginning

1147
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:45.079
<v Speaker 4>to pick back up because it's getting ready to wake

1148
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.440
<v Speaker 4>you to you know, start your day. One is the

1149
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.400
<v Speaker 4>first question. And then is there a difference between male

1150
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.559
<v Speaker 4>and female that get sleep paralysis? Does one gender, well,

1151
01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:01.199
<v Speaker 4>you know whatever, male or female experience it more often

1152
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 4>than the other?

1153
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, the time question, that's a great question. We

1154
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:12.840
<v Speaker 2>all know. In antiquity they talked about the witching hours,

1155
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 2>the twelve to three right, And it's interesting, so that's

1156
01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the third watch of the night in biblical language. Interestingly,

1157
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.239
<v Speaker 2>it was the fourth watch of the night. It was

1158
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.119
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the fourth watch of the night, so

1159
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:30.840
<v Speaker 2>we're probably talking about the tail end of the witching hours,

1160
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.920
<v Speaker 2>probably three four am. This is when the disciples saw

1161
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Jesus walking on the water towards the boat, and their

1162
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:39.800
<v Speaker 2>immediate first assumption was that it was a ghost, probably

1163
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.239
<v Speaker 2>because of the hour there was the witching hour. Now,

1164
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:47.400
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting about twelve to three. A lot of people

1165
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 2>talk about this phenomenon happening at midnight or three am.

1166
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's really interesting that in prior centuries people

1167
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 2>had first and second sleeps. They practiced by phasic sleep.

1168
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:05.440
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, they wanted to be awake between twelve

1169
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 2>and three, and the official narrative is like, hey, it

1170
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.519
<v Speaker 2>just had to do with The official narrative makes no

1171
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:16.920
<v Speaker 2>sense because it talks about how the only reason that

1172
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.920
<v Speaker 2>we don't do my phasic sleep anymore is because of

1173
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.000
<v Speaker 2>the invention of the electric light. But you know, if

1174
01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 2>they were up between twelve and three before electric light

1175
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:27.159
<v Speaker 2>and they were having productive hours in candle light, you know,

1176
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:31.400
<v Speaker 2>so there it says online, you know when you do

1177
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:34.639
<v Speaker 2>the research that people were cooking and visiting neighbors and

1178
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:36.719
<v Speaker 2>playing games and whatever. But if you go into the

1179
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 2>deep like liturgical research. The religious people were up between

1180
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:45.360
<v Speaker 2>twelve and three praying and evaluating their dreams, and so

1181
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.679
<v Speaker 2>there might have been more of an aspect of spiritual

1182
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.079
<v Speaker 2>warfare there, like, Hey, if this is the witching hour,

1183
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be up, I'm going to be so reminded,

1184
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be vigilant. I'm not going to get

1185
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 2>abducted out of my brain. I'm just speculating. I'm just

1186
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.159
<v Speaker 2>theorizing because it's interesting to see kind of why that

1187
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.519
<v Speaker 2>went out. But to answer your question, I don't think

1188
01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 2>that it is limited anymore to the times of the

1189
01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:09.920
<v Speaker 2>day because people during a nap, if you're in a

1190
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.360
<v Speaker 2>deep sleep, or you're jet lagged, or you're stressed, or

1191
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:16.039
<v Speaker 2>you're in a deep sleep, deep meditative state, that can

1192
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:19.000
<v Speaker 2>still happen. It's really more dependent on an altered state

1193
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:26.079
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness because sleep proalysis can also happen. It's important

1194
01:08:26.079 --> 01:08:29.319
<v Speaker 2>to differentiate the sleep paralysis experience, which happens in an

1195
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.840
<v Speaker 2>altered state of consciousness, usually the hypnopopic or the hypnogogic,

1196
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.600
<v Speaker 2>where you're falling asleep or coming out of sleep, whereas

1197
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the astral projection and the astral abductions are happening in

1198
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:44.159
<v Speaker 2>the rim because they are different experiences. But by way

1199
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.600
<v Speaker 2>of cortisol levels and everything going on in the brain

1200
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and the brain waking up, the brain doesn't just wake

1201
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 2>up at certain times. It wakes up because the sun

1202
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 2>is getting through the eyelids and it's penetrating, and that's

1203
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.399
<v Speaker 2>sending messages to the brain that hey, the sun is up,

1204
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to adjust the melatonin. But we

1205
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.239
<v Speaker 2>now live in a culture where most of us stay

1206
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.800
<v Speaker 2>up till one, two three in the morning with a

1207
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:18.000
<v Speaker 2>blue light shining right in our face. We've got a

1208
01:09:18.039 --> 01:09:21.319
<v Speaker 2>laptop or whatever, so our brains are so confused at

1209
01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.399
<v Speaker 2>this point. It's even though it's not as intense as

1210
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the blue light of the sun, it is blue light.

1211
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.359
<v Speaker 2>And so when you're up all night. This is why

1212
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot of us get really hungry and we want

1213
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to snack at midnight, and because the blue light is

1214
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:37.479
<v Speaker 2>sending the message to the brain that it's morning, and

1215
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:40.079
<v Speaker 2>so it's flipping all of the breakfast time switches on.

1216
01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.359
<v Speaker 2>So you're getting hungry because we're completely screwing up with

1217
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:47.560
<v Speaker 2>our circadian rhythm and our brain functionality. So I don't

1218
01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:51.119
<v Speaker 2>think it is dependent upon those witching hours anymore. One

1219
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:56.199
<v Speaker 2>of the most recent, very terrifying astral encounters I had

1220
01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.560
<v Speaker 2>where I interfaced with several frightening dream characters and I

1221
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.520
<v Speaker 2>woke up and granted, we don't know. To us, it

1222
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:06.720
<v Speaker 2>feels like instant, Like we have a dream and we

1223
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.319
<v Speaker 2>wake up, it feels instant. And maybe there were hours

1224
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 2>in between the end of the dream and when we

1225
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:14.359
<v Speaker 2>woke up. But I woke up and it was like

1226
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:17.079
<v Speaker 2>eleven in the afternoon because I had slept in I'd

1227
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.279
<v Speaker 2>been up all night and so it wasn't like the

1228
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:22.319
<v Speaker 2>three am, you know. So I don't think it's as

1229
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:26.560
<v Speaker 2>dependent upon time anymore as it used to be. Now,

1230
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.840
<v Speaker 2>I do think that if you're dealing with human entities,

1231
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:36.199
<v Speaker 2>if you're dealing with remote viewers or practitioners of witchcraft

1232
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:40.319
<v Speaker 2>who are astral projecting their reliant upon those timelines, because

1233
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.479
<v Speaker 2>they're banking on when you're asleep and whatnot. I recently

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01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:47.600
<v Speaker 2>had somebody right to me, and I'd never heard this before.

1235
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:50.840
<v Speaker 2>He said, do you ever get the popping in your ear?

1236
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Like at two three in the morning? And I'm like, no,

1237
01:10:54.279 --> 01:10:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I haven't, And to headless giants point earlier. Can something

1238
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 2>start happening as soon as you've heard about it for

1239
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:03.840
<v Speaker 2>the first time, Like, what if I've never heard of

1240
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 2>this before. He told me that the powers that be

1241
01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:11.800
<v Speaker 2>this is more of a militarized, targeted individual remote viewing scenario.

1242
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>He said, there's something about the popping in the ear

1243
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.159
<v Speaker 2>where they're testing to see if you're awake or asleep,

1244
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:19.199
<v Speaker 2>because if you're not asleep yet, they're not going to

1245
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.479
<v Speaker 2>activate their programming or whatever. And it was interesting because

1246
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I had never experienced it and I didn't know what

1247
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.439
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about. And a couple days after getting

1248
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.319
<v Speaker 2>that email, I started using the popping in my ears.

1249
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, this is interesting sugget power of suggestion, right,

1250
01:11:34.840 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 2>But as far as the male and female, I don't know,

1251
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:47.359
<v Speaker 2>because I get lots of emails from both and they

1252
01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:53.640
<v Speaker 2>might be different experiences. And yet, you know, we might

1253
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:58.199
<v Speaker 2>have skewed statistics. It might statistically look like more women

1254
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 2>have this experience, or more women have the incubist experience

1255
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.199
<v Speaker 2>like the spirit spouse and the rape demons and stuff

1256
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:07.520
<v Speaker 2>like that. But I think that has more to do

1257
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.760
<v Speaker 2>with women are more willing to talk about their experiences,

1258
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:16.039
<v Speaker 2>whereas men are more like, I'm not going to look

1259
01:12:16.079 --> 01:12:19.720
<v Speaker 2>like a crazy person. And so because of where we're

1260
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 2>at now with the Internet with emails, I do get

1261
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:27.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of emails from males as well, and I

1262
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:30.239
<v Speaker 2>will tell you that they're getting as many of those

1263
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:34.039
<v Speaker 2>rape dreams that as the women are. They just don't

1264
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:36.000
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it, you know what I mean,

1265
01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Because it's not like in the movies where it's this

1266
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>like great, you know better than human sex, you know, Twilight,

1267
01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:48.399
<v Speaker 2>Edward Cullen, glitter Boy, Right. No, it's like these are shaming,

1268
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:53.880
<v Speaker 2>violating rape scenarios that are being talked about. This isn't,

1269
01:12:54.039 --> 01:12:57.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, honeymoon stuff that's being talked about. So I

1270
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:02.840
<v Speaker 2>do believe that it happens not only as much to

1271
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 2>men and women, but you'd be surprised that it happens

1272
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:11.359
<v Speaker 2>to very young children. And I get emails on a

1273
01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:13.920
<v Speaker 2>daily basis from people saying, I've had this since three

1274
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.680
<v Speaker 2>or four years old. I remember having this in my

1275
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:22.119
<v Speaker 2>crib like, because you tend to remember traumatic memories, and

1276
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:24.319
<v Speaker 2>so what I think a lot of people don't realize

1277
01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:31.079
<v Speaker 2>is this happens to very very, very very young children,

1278
01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:35.760
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately it's hard to get a finger on that pulse,

1279
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:38.439
<v Speaker 2>because if you have a toddler who's crying at night

1280
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:40.520
<v Speaker 2>and all they're going to say is I had a

1281
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.880
<v Speaker 2>bad dream, you're not going to explore that further. And

1282
01:13:44.920 --> 01:13:46.680
<v Speaker 2>then we live in a culture where when we have

1283
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:51.279
<v Speaker 2>kids that are trying as best as they can in

1284
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.840
<v Speaker 2>their limited life experience to explain to mom and dad

1285
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:57.239
<v Speaker 2>something is going on. Mom, I'm scared. I don't want

1286
01:13:57.239 --> 01:13:58.640
<v Speaker 2>to go to bed. Can I sleep with the light on?

1287
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Can I sleep with you? I saw red eyes, there's

1288
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:07.239
<v Speaker 2>a monster under my bed. And we are just again programmed.

1289
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Parents are programmed. It's just a dream. It's just a dream.

1290
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Don't be scared, you know, And so we write a

1291
01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:16.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of that off, probably because we don't want to

1292
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:18.760
<v Speaker 2>scare the kid. We probably don't want to be scared either.

1293
01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if your kid is all of a

1294
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 2>sudden terrified of going to bed and it's keeping themselves

1295
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:28.399
<v Speaker 2>awake at all hours of the night, and it's affecting

1296
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>their sleep, and it's affecting their you know, emotional and

1297
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:35.520
<v Speaker 2>mental health, there's a point where maybe you should explore

1298
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and medication and melotonin and a lot of this stuff

1299
01:14:41.840 --> 01:14:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that's designed to supposedly relax us really just puts us

1300
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:58.399
<v Speaker 2>an even more prime state of vulnerability. So yeah, I

1301
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:05.760
<v Speaker 2>could see that. Yeah, of course I have a ton

1302
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:06.960
<v Speaker 2>of questions.

1303
01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:10.119
<v Speaker 4>With it, with sleep paralysis.

1304
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.159
<v Speaker 2>The end if it, Please correct me if I'm wrong.

1305
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 4>You're indicating that from your studies or research and your

1306
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 4>experiences that it would be like an astral like the

1307
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:22.800
<v Speaker 4>tail end of an astral experience.

1308
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yeah, So this is where I have a hard

1309
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:31.800
<v Speaker 2>time getting people to really hear me out on this.

1310
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:35.119
<v Speaker 2>There's so much cognitive dissonance because we've bought into the narrative.

1311
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.359
<v Speaker 2>And when you have an experience that you can't explain,

1312
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and then you go online and you see it explained

1313
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.680
<v Speaker 2>for you over and over and over again, you begin

1314
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to reverse engineer that explanation onto your experience and you

1315
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:51.800
<v Speaker 2>can't see that anything else is happening. But what most

1316
01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:55.239
<v Speaker 2>people will tell you is I woke up and I

1317
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:58.560
<v Speaker 2>couldn't move, and I saw this in my bedroom. But

1318
01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:03.800
<v Speaker 2>if they really explored the beginning of it, they would

1319
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.600
<v Speaker 2>explain that they were having a dream and everything was great,

1320
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, the dream goes dark, it

1321
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.520
<v Speaker 2>goes bad. The vibrations start in the ear, or you know,

1322
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:17.520
<v Speaker 2>you understand in the dream, oh crap, it's happening again.

1323
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.079
<v Speaker 2>And then the next thing you know, you're waking up

1324
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:23.840
<v Speaker 2>in your bed. And what I'm trying to convince people

1325
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 2>of is it looks seamless to you like you're having

1326
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a bad dream, and you get scared, and that fear

1327
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:35.960
<v Speaker 2>wakes you up and thank god, I you know, I

1328
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.239
<v Speaker 2>woke up before anything bad happened. But what's happening in

1329
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:42.560
<v Speaker 2>many cases, and I'm talking about people that habitually have

1330
01:16:42.600 --> 01:16:44.560
<v Speaker 2>sleep paralysis over the course of their whole life, not

1331
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.359
<v Speaker 2>just once or twice, But what's happening in many cases

1332
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.520
<v Speaker 2>is you're being pulled out of your body and you're

1333
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:54.760
<v Speaker 2>having some sort of an encounter with these dream characters.

1334
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:58.840
<v Speaker 2>And just like the UFO abductees, when you get back

1335
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>into your body, you don't remember what happened. But you

1336
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have the benefit of missing time like the UFO

1337
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.600
<v Speaker 2>abductees have, because nobody wakes up five, six, seven, eight

1338
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:11.720
<v Speaker 2>hours later and questions where the time went. If there

1339
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.760
<v Speaker 2>is even a smidgen or a fragment of a memory

1340
01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 2>of a bad dream or a nightmare, we chalk it

1341
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:18.680
<v Speaker 2>off to it just being a dream. So we're not

1342
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:20.600
<v Speaker 2>going to evaluate it. We're not going to think about it.

1343
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:23.720
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to ask any questions. What I think

1344
01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:29.479
<v Speaker 2>is happening is we are waking up in this kind

1345
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:32.319
<v Speaker 2>of altered state of consciousness. We're not quite awake yet,

1346
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.560
<v Speaker 2>we're coming out of this experience. We are in full

1347
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:40.079
<v Speaker 2>fight or flight Physiologically, we're in a high adrenaline mode

1348
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.239
<v Speaker 2>because our body is trying to tell us in every

1349
01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.920
<v Speaker 2>way that it can. You were just in a very

1350
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:49.079
<v Speaker 2>traumatic situation, and we don't have a memory of it,

1351
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.840
<v Speaker 2>but our body is trying to tell us. Our heart

1352
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.840
<v Speaker 2>is pounding, we are laying on our back in a

1353
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>defensive position. We often all the saliva in our mouth

1354
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:06.680
<v Speaker 2>is dried up. We can't move, we can't talk. What

1355
01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I think is happening is the shadow people that you

1356
01:18:09.760 --> 01:18:12.079
<v Speaker 2>see in the room, the red glowing eyes, you know,

1357
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the old hag, that all of that stuff. I actually

1358
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:18.039
<v Speaker 2>think they're trolling us. I think they're creating a diversion

1359
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:20.479
<v Speaker 2>so that when we wake up and we have this

1360
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:26.560
<v Speaker 2>full on adrenaline rush, but no memory of anything in

1361
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.199
<v Speaker 2>the dreamscape that happened, that would have scared us. We

1362
01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:36.560
<v Speaker 2>have to attach that physiological reaction to something tangible or

1363
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.399
<v Speaker 2>we'll start asking questions. So, if you wake up in

1364
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:40.960
<v Speaker 2>your room and you think there's a demon there, the

1365
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.680
<v Speaker 2>grim Reapers hanging over you, all of the physiological things

1366
01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:49.439
<v Speaker 2>that you're experiencing, you will automatically ascribe to the fact

1367
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:51.680
<v Speaker 2>that that thing in your room scared you. But I

1368
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:59.039
<v Speaker 2>actually think that your heightened fear response was already activated

1369
01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:03.000
<v Speaker 2>in rim and in the astral, and when you wake up,

1370
01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:07.279
<v Speaker 2>they're providing you with a visual to attach the emotions

1371
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.079
<v Speaker 2>to so that you don't ever reverse engineer it all

1372
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:13.359
<v Speaker 2>the way back to the ram state and ask questions

1373
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.319
<v Speaker 2>like what happened? Is there missing time? What sort of

1374
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:21.239
<v Speaker 2>interactions went on in the astral? What conversations did I have,

1375
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:24.479
<v Speaker 2>What kind of invitations did I give any of the vampires,

1376
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>or what sort of covenants did I enter into? And

1377
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I just think that there's a lot more to this

1378
01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:36.520
<v Speaker 2>than people waking up in their bedroom. And if you're

1379
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:39.239
<v Speaker 2>lucid when you dream, or if this happens to you

1380
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:44.199
<v Speaker 2>enough where you can you have to be able to observe,

1381
01:19:44.239 --> 01:19:46.479
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people can't observe when they're terrified

1382
01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:49.119
<v Speaker 2>because they're just focused on getting out of the situation.

1383
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:53.840
<v Speaker 2>But if you observe, you will know you're not really

1384
01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:56.560
<v Speaker 2>in your bedroom yet, because there will be a glitch.

1385
01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:01.159
<v Speaker 2>There will be something wrong in the room. The windows

1386
01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:04.199
<v Speaker 2>on the wrong wall, you have a bedspread you don't

1387
01:20:04.239 --> 01:20:07.119
<v Speaker 2>really own, there's a bunch of pictures on the wall

1388
01:20:07.239 --> 01:20:10.199
<v Speaker 2>that aren't yours, or there's a bookshelf for a dresser there.

1389
01:20:10.239 --> 01:20:12.560
<v Speaker 2>There's always going to be one thing. If you're looking,

1390
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:18.800
<v Speaker 2>this can't possibly really be my room, and I will

1391
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:21.239
<v Speaker 2>always I always find a glitch. And it's gotten to

1392
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the point now where I'm so aware of the fact

1393
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:25.479
<v Speaker 2>that there's going to be a glitch, and I look

1394
01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>for the glitch. They don't even bother with the screen

1395
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.560
<v Speaker 2>memories anymore, because I think these are screen memories of

1396
01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>your room. They're replicating your room. You're not really there.

1397
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:38.439
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing that a lot of people

1398
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:40.439
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to believe me. I don't know why

1399
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the cognitive distance is there. Maybe they don't want to

1400
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.000
<v Speaker 2>deal with the fact that, hey, I just want to

1401
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.000
<v Speaker 2>be safe in my room. Don't make this any more

1402
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.920
<v Speaker 2>scary than it needs to be. But there's always a glitch.

1403
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.359
<v Speaker 2>And now when I have these sleep Prolysses experiences, they

1404
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:56.000
<v Speaker 2>don't even bother with the screen memories anymore. I will

1405
01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:00.319
<v Speaker 2>literally see myself in a room with the object innovation

1406
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:02.680
<v Speaker 2>window and the shadow person walking up to me, like

1407
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:05.279
<v Speaker 2>it's like the screen. They don't even waste their time

1408
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:06.840
<v Speaker 2>with the screen memory anymore.

1409
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:12.079
<v Speaker 1>You said a few things before that I was really interesting.

1410
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe it was kind of like a like

1411
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you said, maybe getting stuck in something like waking up

1412
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:25.439
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of something going on. I for me,

1413
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:28.079
<v Speaker 1>and I guess what I'm when I'm really getting I was.

1414
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if it's almost like a reverse effect when

1415
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.399
<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned before, you know, you mentioned anything kind of

1416
01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:37.640
<v Speaker 1>like you're soul separating from your body. That's exactly what

1417
01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I say, I think magic is, but choosing to do

1418
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:45.199
<v Speaker 1>that on purpose, as that does happen from my experience,

1419
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.439
<v Speaker 1>either sitting down or laying down obviously my eyes closed

1420
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>meditating before that happens, it will get to the to

1421
01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the point to where it's as if like only inside

1422
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.199
<v Speaker 1>my head exists and nothing else. I feel nothing, you know,

1423
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:02.600
<v Speaker 1>that's gone to me, like I just don't feel it,

1424
01:22:03.520 --> 01:22:05.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's and I will start to feel like a

1425
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>rush and then I start to come out like the

1426
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>back of my head where it feels like like a

1427
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:13.680
<v Speaker 1>slip out. Like I was wondering if maybe the sleep

1428
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:17.319
<v Speaker 1>paralysis like you're talking about it's so traveling or whatever.

1429
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:21.319
<v Speaker 1>I like again, like I'm wondering if like maybe you've

1430
01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:24.119
<v Speaker 1>come back in but not enough to actually be the

1431
01:22:24.159 --> 01:22:25.680
<v Speaker 1>rest of your body, because now you're not gonna be

1432
01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.600
<v Speaker 1>able to move anything because there's nothing there yet. Really,

1433
01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:30.119
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't move at

1434
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:32.600
<v Speaker 1>that point, probably unless maybe I snapped myself out of it.

1435
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:34.159
<v Speaker 1>But you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't feel

1436
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:37.000
<v Speaker 1>my body to even move my arms. I was just

1437
01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>in my head. So I was just wondering if it's

1438
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like maybe kind of like coming back and getting like

1439
01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:43.720
<v Speaker 1>like kind of waking up maybe a few seconds before

1440
01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you should have, yeah, and becoming conscious.

1441
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And this is another thing I try to tell

1442
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:54.039
<v Speaker 2>people who don't realize what you've already realized. I hear

1443
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:58.399
<v Speaker 2>it every day. I hear Christians say, say the name

1444
01:22:58.399 --> 01:23:00.640
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus and it'll stop. But you have to say

1445
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:04.600
<v Speaker 2>it out loud. And what's ridiculous about this is you can't.

1446
01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:06.479
<v Speaker 2>You don't have access to your mouth. You're not in

1447
01:23:06.520 --> 01:23:08.760
<v Speaker 2>your body, you're not there yet, you're not all the

1448
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:11.800
<v Speaker 2>way there yet. And second of all, this whole thing,

1449
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.359
<v Speaker 2>this comes from some tradition. It's not in the Bible.

1450
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:17.680
<v Speaker 2>You learn it when you're in church as a little kid,

1451
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:19.199
<v Speaker 2>and you believe it, and you never question it or

1452
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:20.760
<v Speaker 2>ask where it's from or try to find the verse

1453
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:24.520
<v Speaker 2>because it's nowhere. There's this tradition out there that Satan

1454
01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.000
<v Speaker 2>can't read your mind, and I'm thinking, well, he is

1455
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:29.359
<v Speaker 2>an eternal, immortal being and we're stupid human beings that

1456
01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:31.119
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't even have to read our minds. You know,

1457
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>humans aren't that hard to figure out, you know. But

1458
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>whether he can or can't, it doesn't matter. If you're

1459
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:38.600
<v Speaker 2>calling on the name of Jesus. You're not talking to

1460
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Satan any way. You're calling on the name of Jesus,

1461
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.039
<v Speaker 2>and he can read your mind, So who cares? Like

1462
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:44.760
<v Speaker 2>all of its nonsense, all of these things that they're saying,

1463
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.319
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have to say it out loud. And

1464
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>even if you did say it out loud, I've had

1465
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>times where in my dream where I think I'm awake

1466
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>in my bedroom, I'm saying something like get out, or

1467
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I do not consent, or in the name of Jesus,

1468
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>whatever I'm saying, and I will go from that altered

1469
01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:06.359
<v Speaker 2>state where I think I'm in my room to a

1470
01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:10.000
<v Speaker 2>real waking state, and I will then be in and

1471
01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:13.479
<v Speaker 2>out halfway through my sentence, and when I actually hear

1472
01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:16.920
<v Speaker 2>myself in my brain. If you've ever had sleeping gas

1473
01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:19.079
<v Speaker 2>like that, you know, before a surgery, it's like that

1474
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.600
<v Speaker 2>you hear yourself talking, but you have no memory of

1475
01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.640
<v Speaker 2>answering the question. It's this weird altered state. I have

1476
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.680
<v Speaker 2>been in the dream state where I think I'm awake

1477
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>in my room and I'll say, like, you know, in

1478
01:24:31.399 --> 01:24:33.319
<v Speaker 2>the name of Jesus, get out, and I wake up

1479
01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:35.800
<v Speaker 2>halfway in the middle of it, and I hear myself

1480
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:41.439
<v Speaker 2>audibly saying, you know, you're not saying so even if

1481
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>you're saying it out loud, you're not saying anything legible anyway,

1482
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So I think that people

1483
01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>are trying so hard to move their body and say things,

1484
01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and it's like you're not in your body yet you

1485
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.520
<v Speaker 2>can't access that stuff, and so it's all in the

1486
01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:59.960
<v Speaker 2>power of the mind. At that point, I want to

1487
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:03.479
<v Speaker 2>wake up. I don't consent to this. This is uncomfortable.

1488
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.199
<v Speaker 2>You have to stop now, you know, the same way

1489
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>with the Ouiji board. When we're done. Now I am

1490
01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>in control of my noetic sovereignty. Goodbye, We're done. I choose,

1491
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:15.520
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, I've never done a Wigi board,

1492
01:25:15.560 --> 01:25:17.479
<v Speaker 2>but I'm just telling you that this is the law

1493
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:25.560
<v Speaker 2>of interacting with entities. You say goodbye, and they they're done.

1494
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>They have to go away. It's done. And it's the

1495
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:29.920
<v Speaker 2>same thing with these sleep paralysis situations. As soon as

1496
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.039
<v Speaker 2>you say we're done, you don't have to say it

1497
01:25:32.079 --> 01:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>out loud, you don't have to scream it, you don't

1498
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:37.399
<v Speaker 2>have to yell it. It's really not that complicated. As

1499
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:44.239
<v Speaker 2>soon as you, in your noetic sovereignty say we're done,

1500
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>these things go away immediately. And I don't want to

1501
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:51.439
<v Speaker 2>take away any sort of I'm not saying, okay, there's

1502
01:25:51.479 --> 01:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>no power in the name of Jesus. But what I

1503
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>do tell the Christians who come to me, Yes, if

1504
01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:58.680
<v Speaker 2>you say in the name of Jesus, get out. But

1505
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:01.319
<v Speaker 2>guess what, there's tons of people that just say get out,

1506
01:26:01.840 --> 01:26:05.039
<v Speaker 2>and it works the same. And I'm not diminishing the

1507
01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:07.079
<v Speaker 2>power of the name. But what I'm telling you is

1508
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:12.199
<v Speaker 2>what they have to observe is your free will. When

1509
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:16.119
<v Speaker 2>you tell them get out, I'm done, goodbye, go away.

1510
01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>You're not welcome here. You are revoking that vampiric invitation.

1511
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:25.199
<v Speaker 2>They don't have their invitation. They have to have your permission.

1512
01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, saying in the name of Jesus, get

1513
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:30.800
<v Speaker 2>out work works. But get the hell out of here

1514
01:26:30.840 --> 01:26:32.439
<v Speaker 2>works too, you know what I mean. I've heard it.

1515
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:39.720
<v Speaker 4>All, Ricky. I've witnessed, if we were talking about before

1516
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:43.079
<v Speaker 4>hitting the record button, I've witnessed a couple of people

1517
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:46.319
<v Speaker 4>go through sleeper ELS's and didn't know each other, and.

1518
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:49.760
<v Speaker 2>It's exactly as you said.

1519
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:54.439
<v Speaker 4>They're almost like moaning, mumbling like they're one speak, but

1520
01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:56.840
<v Speaker 4>it's almost as their lips have super glue.

1521
01:26:57.239 --> 01:26:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it will not open.

1522
01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:04.319
<v Speaker 4>And I in like you, I would hesitate to touch

1523
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:07.279
<v Speaker 4>her or to touch you know, her arm or whatever,

1524
01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.800
<v Speaker 4>because you know I you know how they well and

1525
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.399
<v Speaker 4>in hispanic folklift somebody's sleep walking and tell you not

1526
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:15.560
<v Speaker 4>to wake them because of it. And so I would

1527
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:19.359
<v Speaker 4>hesitate or whatever. But the moment I would touch her arm,

1528
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:23.760
<v Speaker 4>it felt like everything under her skin was just electric,

1529
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.159
<v Speaker 4>just on fire, like just alive, like just kind of

1530
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.680
<v Speaker 4>on edge. But the moment I would touch her, she

1531
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.920
<v Speaker 4>would immediately wake up. And she would literally say thank

1532
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:36.159
<v Speaker 4>you for touching my arm because I couldn't wake up

1533
01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:39.800
<v Speaker 4>on my own. And that that was my roommate one time.

1534
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.039
<v Speaker 4>And then this was another friend of mine. We're spending

1535
01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:44.079
<v Speaker 4>a night in her house. She said the same thing.

1536
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:46.960
<v Speaker 4>She's like, thank you for waking me up. I couldn't

1537
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:51.359
<v Speaker 4>wake up. So it was weird because the sensation on

1538
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:54.760
<v Speaker 4>their arm was the same. And these are two totally

1539
01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:58.840
<v Speaker 4>different places, different times in my life. That it was

1540
01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:02.239
<v Speaker 4>it was identical. So it's funny how you said, like

1541
01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:05.600
<v Speaker 4>when you finally say something, it's this moan or like

1542
01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:09.920
<v Speaker 4>this opening of the mouth not coherent because it looking

1543
01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.439
<v Speaker 4>at her, it was almost as if her lips were

1544
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:13.079
<v Speaker 4>super glued.

1545
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:17.479
<v Speaker 2>Shine. Yeah, yep, yeah. I walked in on my college

1546
01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>roommate one time. She was taking a nap, like in

1547
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>between classes or she had a downtime or whatever, and

1548
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:26.159
<v Speaker 2>I'd had sleep prolyssis my whole life, and I had

1549
01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>never heard the phrase sleep prolysis yet. This was in

1550
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, so I don't think it was really a

1551
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.319
<v Speaker 2>thing yet, and people didn't talk about it, and I

1552
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:36.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't know anyone suffered with it. And I saw my

1553
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>roommate asleep on her bed and it freaked me out

1554
01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:42.119
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like, she's having sleep prolysis, except I didn't

1555
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:44.119
<v Speaker 2>call it that because I didn't ever word for it

1556
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>at that point, and I couldn't believe it. It was

1557
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>this epiphany moment for me. And so because I had

1558
01:28:52.000 --> 01:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>been through it so many times, I went over and

1559
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I was like, and same thing. She's like, thank you

1560
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:57.520
<v Speaker 2>so much, thank you so much, And I said, what

1561
01:28:57.640 --> 01:28:59.239
<v Speaker 2>just happened to you? And she explained it to me.

1562
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, that's happening to me my whole I couldn't

1563
01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.840
<v Speaker 2>believe it, Like it was just it was amazing, but

1564
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember feeling anything, but I was sort of

1565
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:10.720
<v Speaker 2>like I wasn't real gentle with her either. I was like,

1566
01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:17.119
<v Speaker 2>wake up. Wait. But anytime you run into someone who's

1567
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:20.399
<v Speaker 2>having sleep paralysis, believe me, they want to be woke up.

1568
01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>They're trying everything in their power to be to be

1569
01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>woken up. And one thing that I got from Robert Monroe.

1570
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I think it's in his third volume of his trilogy,

1571
01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.560
<v Speaker 2>The Far Journeys. He talks about this was another like

1572
01:29:33.760 --> 01:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>eye opening moment for me, and it's also another way

1573
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>that you can sort of evaluate once you've woke up.

1574
01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Was I in the astral realm or was that just

1575
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.319
<v Speaker 2>a dream? Is He said, when you have a dream

1576
01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:47.079
<v Speaker 2>that you're searching for your car, you're in a parking

1577
01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>lot and you're searching all over for your car and

1578
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>you can't find your car. And it just gave me

1579
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the chills the first time I read that, because I've

1580
01:29:54.039 --> 01:29:57.039
<v Speaker 2>had that as a reoccurring dream so many times. And

1581
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:01.399
<v Speaker 2>he said that you're car is like a metaphor for

1582
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>your body, because your car is this vehicle that carries

1583
01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:07.439
<v Speaker 2>you around everywhere you want to go, and so is

1584
01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>your body. So when you're out of your body, it's

1585
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:12.319
<v Speaker 2>looking for its vehicle. Right. It made so much sense,

1586
01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And now that's helped give me clarity because sometimes when

1587
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:19.079
<v Speaker 2>you wake up, you're not one hundred percent sure if

1588
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:24.399
<v Speaker 2>it was astral or not, and so there's indicators and

1589
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:26.560
<v Speaker 2>so whenever I've had that where I'm in a parking

1590
01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.479
<v Speaker 2>ramp or a parking lot. Like I'll have memory of

1591
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:31.479
<v Speaker 2>going into a building or a mall or a church

1592
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.800
<v Speaker 2>or something, and then I'll come out into the parking

1593
01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:39.439
<v Speaker 2>lot and then I'll go, oh, I can never find

1594
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:42.079
<v Speaker 2>a car, and you will sit there and again, this

1595
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>is we're talking about the time dilation. Again. You will

1596
01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:48.239
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're in that parking lot for hours looking

1597
01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:50.680
<v Speaker 2>for that car before you wake up. But you know,

1598
01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>if you're in an RAM cycle, it was probably only

1599
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty minutes.

1600
01:30:57.239 --> 01:30:57.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1601
01:30:57.720 --> 01:31:00.680
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to bring up earlier the the idea of

1602
01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:04.279
<v Speaker 3>induced comas because it's like one out of three people

1603
01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:08.640
<v Speaker 3>who are in an induced coma aren't really unconscious the

1604
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:11.640
<v Speaker 3>whole time, just in kind of a prison of their

1605
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:14.319
<v Speaker 3>own mind for weeks time.

1606
01:31:14.399 --> 01:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know. Yeah. I read a book years ago

1607
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:23.439
<v Speaker 2>and it was a guy he was like, he wasn't

1608
01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:27.640
<v Speaker 2>a missionary, but he had this idea. And unfortunately I

1609
01:31:27.720 --> 01:31:29.399
<v Speaker 2>lent the book to somebody and I never got it back,

1610
01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:31.479
<v Speaker 2>and I'll never be able to remember anymore who wrote

1611
01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:33.159
<v Speaker 2>it or whatever, because I think I was in college

1612
01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:38.239
<v Speaker 2>when I read it. But he would go to hospitals

1613
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and he would go into the rooms where people were

1614
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.119
<v Speaker 2>in coomas, and he would preach the Gospel to them

1615
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:51.119
<v Speaker 2>and read the Bible and sing worship songs and comfort

1616
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>them and talk to them and da da da da

1617
01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>da da. And you know, a lot of these people

1618
01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:57.319
<v Speaker 2>they didn't ever come out of the coma or he

1619
01:31:57.399 --> 01:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>never saw them again or whatever, but he had a

1620
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:02.800
<v Speaker 2>certain percentage of them that came back and said, I

1621
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>heard every word you.

1622
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Said, right. And there's there's really no medical literature that

1623
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:14.760
<v Speaker 3>actually supports the idea that medical comas are so necessary,

1624
01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:18.600
<v Speaker 3>and they use it all the time, and it's it's

1625
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:21.520
<v Speaker 3>such a it's a travesty to think that we're putting

1626
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:23.079
<v Speaker 3>people into that kind of a prison.

1627
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:30.560
<v Speaker 5>Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, it sounds like an absolute some

1628
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:32.680
<v Speaker 5>of the testimonies I've heard of people that have been

1629
01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:34.640
<v Speaker 5>in coma's and they're not saying anything.

1630
01:32:35.119 --> 01:32:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Their point isn't to say anything paranormal or mystical or

1631
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:42.239
<v Speaker 2>religious or whatever, but they just say that you still

1632
01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>go to sleep and wake up and you have no

1633
01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>idea how to differentiate what's the reality and what's the dream.

1634
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:53.119
<v Speaker 2>And then when they having like the nightmares, and oh

1635
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>my gosh, the way that they describe it It sounds

1636
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:59.159
<v Speaker 2>so much like this inception, like the dream within the

1637
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:02.239
<v Speaker 2>dream kind of astral stuff that you get, you know,

1638
01:33:02.319 --> 01:33:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know enough about a medical coma, but

1639
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>if you're introducing any sort of medication into that or

1640
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.479
<v Speaker 2>anything that's going to put you in an altered state

1641
01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>of consciousness, you're just opening a door and putting a

1642
01:33:14.319 --> 01:33:17.800
<v Speaker 2>welcome matt out to whoever is. Hey, look at this idiot.

1643
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>He's not in control. We're gonna, you know, have a

1644
01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:24.199
<v Speaker 2>field day with this guy. Like, you're so vulnerable when

1645
01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>you're in those states of altered consciousness.

1646
01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Did anybody else have anything else they wanted to ask?

1647
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:39.800
<v Speaker 5>Now?

1648
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else, VICKI that you wanted to get into?

1649
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm just like really just enjoying the conversation

1650
01:33:46.960 --> 01:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>because it's just taken so many twists and turns away

1651
01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.479
<v Speaker 2>from the ordinary conversations, and I just love this kind

1652
01:33:54.520 --> 01:33:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of stuff and so many of the things that you've

1653
01:33:57.159 --> 01:33:59.319
<v Speaker 2>brought up or stuff that I've read up on and

1654
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:02.399
<v Speaker 2>been back on and don't usually come up in the conversation,

1655
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and especially getting to kind of talk about more of

1656
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:10.159
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first century version of this and the tech

1657
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>aspects of it and where it's headed, and so no,

1658
01:34:14.720 --> 01:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean this has just been a really fun change

1659
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>of place.

1660
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:25.319
<v Speaker 4>To Viggie's point, tech has taken on this whole angle

1661
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:32.520
<v Speaker 4>of exploring sleep ys not readily talked about or advertised,

1662
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.840
<v Speaker 4>but if you peek into the literature of tech and

1663
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:41.399
<v Speaker 4>sleep ra em whatever, it's there. I mean, they're really

1664
01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:46.279
<v Speaker 4>really mining as much as they can. It's almost like

1665
01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:49.800
<v Speaker 4>the next frontier, so to speak. Not so much consciousness

1666
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:53.199
<v Speaker 4>obviously that's another frontier, but sleep in and of itself.

1667
01:34:54.520 --> 01:34:57.439
<v Speaker 4>Tech has really started to dive deep into it.

1668
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that, the next front tier. That's so appropriate.

1669
01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:03.560
<v Speaker 2>It is it is.

1670
01:35:04.479 --> 01:35:07.039
<v Speaker 3>It's a third of our lives that we're spending you

1671
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:08.560
<v Speaker 3>know on concous.

1672
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:12.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, very good point.

1673
01:35:12.279 --> 01:35:14.479
<v Speaker 2>And when you when you think about it, if you

1674
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:18.520
<v Speaker 2>want to think about that logically, you know, yeah, you

1675
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:20.920
<v Speaker 2>can say, well, well, sleep is a gift and it's

1676
01:35:21.039 --> 01:35:22.920
<v Speaker 2>rest and it's you know, you can you can talk

1677
01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:26.119
<v Speaker 2>like poetically about it. But if you want to go

1678
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>down the realms of let's pretend that the creator is

1679
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:35.159
<v Speaker 2>actually not a dope. If we're going to spend a

1680
01:35:35.319 --> 01:35:39.439
<v Speaker 2>third of our life asleep, there must be some sort

1681
01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>of meaning and purpose and achievement in it. It's not

1682
01:35:42.600 --> 01:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>just a waste of time. And so I tend to

1683
01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>think that the creator is not a dope, and that

1684
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:52.880
<v Speaker 2>those sleeping hours aren't to be wasted. Yes, we should

1685
01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:55.720
<v Speaker 2>get real sleep, and we should, you know, figure out

1686
01:35:55.720 --> 01:35:57.800
<v Speaker 2>how to take care of our brains and our bodies.

1687
01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:03.840
<v Speaker 2>But we just can't ignore the fact that this whole

1688
01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:09.560
<v Speaker 2>concept of dreams is very mysterious. We haven't really come

1689
01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:14.439
<v Speaker 2>too far into figuring it out. And when when you.

1690
01:36:14.439 --> 01:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Look at the bullshit as honestly for it.

1691
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, they can't tell you why we dream.

1692
01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:23.439
<v Speaker 2>We go to bed at night and we have all

1693
01:36:23.479 --> 01:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>of these like movies playing, our brain turns into a

1694
01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:29.319
<v Speaker 2>movie theater, like this makes no sense, and they don't.

1695
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:32.319
<v Speaker 2>They don't have a lot of medical or scientific answers

1696
01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:35.079
<v Speaker 2>for us. They're all hypotheses and they're all guesses and

1697
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:39.960
<v Speaker 2>there's got to be some meaning to it. And I

1698
01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:43.720
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's something that should be trifled with. I

1699
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>think that it is an area of exploration that we

1700
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:53.399
<v Speaker 2>need to continue trying to figure out what what am

1701
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I supposed to get out of it? If we're going

1702
01:36:55.079 --> 01:36:57.960
<v Speaker 2>to be in our waking hours. If we're going to

1703
01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>be asking what's the meaning of life? Why am I here?

1704
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>What am I supposed to be doing? We don't cut

1705
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>out a third of our life as meaningless, right.

1706
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:11.760
<v Speaker 3>So they had these things called the Esclepion. Yes, is

1707
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:14.079
<v Speaker 3>where you would go to sleep in the temple, and

1708
01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:16.439
<v Speaker 3>this is where you get the term sleeping in. And

1709
01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:22.079
<v Speaker 3>these temple experiences would be to diagnose illnesses by being

1710
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.960
<v Speaker 3>visited in your dreams by either Asclepius or one of

1711
01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:31.600
<v Speaker 3>his daughters Hygiea or the other one Panea. Yeah, Pantacea

1712
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:36.720
<v Speaker 3>and Pantasa was the all medicine, right, yes, And so

1713
01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:44.079
<v Speaker 3>having these experiences led to a whole different form of hospital. Basically, yeah,

1714
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:47.439
<v Speaker 3>really good track record and curing illnesses.

1715
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you brought that up. I go into

1716
01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:55.640
<v Speaker 2>probably needless detail, but I go into exorbitant detail about

1717
01:37:55.640 --> 01:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>the Esclepions in my book, I think chapter three, because yeah,

1718
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:06.239
<v Speaker 2>so Asclepias the serpent god of healing, and Asclepius's rod

1719
01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:09.039
<v Speaker 2>is the pole with the serpent that goes up at

1720
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:13.560
<v Speaker 2>that to this day is our symbol. And not to

1721
01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:16.439
<v Speaker 2>be confused, a lot of people confuse the rod of

1722
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Asclepias with the the other one, the.

1723
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you army that actually made that confusion. They're

1724
01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:32.520
<v Speaker 3>the ones. So they put that on the medical core,

1725
01:38:32.960 --> 01:38:36.039
<v Speaker 3>the caduc this, and then all these other hospitals started

1726
01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:38.319
<v Speaker 3>to use that as well. But it's like, guys, you

1727
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:42.880
<v Speaker 3>messed it up. That's for profit, So that the symbol

1728
01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:47.840
<v Speaker 3>for profit on the front of these hospitals. Look at

1729
01:38:47.880 --> 01:38:50.920
<v Speaker 3>Look what happened to our medical system, right.

1730
01:38:51.640 --> 01:38:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's super fascinating. And I also get every time

1731
01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.199
<v Speaker 2>I talk about the Asclepias and the rod of Asclepias,

1732
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I I do get Christians writing to school me that no, no, no, no,

1733
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>that's a Christian symbol. It's the serpent on the pole

1734
01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that people looked at in the Old Testament and got healed.

1735
01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:10.720
<v Speaker 2>And I say no, the Bible flat out calls that

1736
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>serpent on the pole the new Hushtan. It's right in

1737
01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the Bible. It's not the same thing asclepiasts, hygiea panacea.

1738
01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:23.439
<v Speaker 2>They are all mentioned in the original Greek Hippocratic oath.

1739
01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:29.119
<v Speaker 2>You are aligning with Apollos and his children and those

1740
01:39:29.319 --> 01:39:32.720
<v Speaker 2>or were your mentors. It's all right there. It's a

1741
01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>medical It goes back to the Escleppians, the serpent, god

1742
01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:40.560
<v Speaker 2>of healing, and if you if you were lucky enough

1743
01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:43.159
<v Speaker 2>to make it up into make it into an Esclepion,

1744
01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>because there's certain people that weren't allowed in. Pregnant women

1745
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:49.199
<v Speaker 2>and the elderly were not allowed in because they didn't

1746
01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:53.760
<v Speaker 2>want any death in the Esclepian It wasn't good for advertising.

1747
01:39:54.319 --> 01:39:57.479
<v Speaker 2>And once you go, once you got into the Esclepion,

1748
01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:04.720
<v Speaker 2>you went through a sea of you were basically entertained

1749
01:40:05.199 --> 01:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>until you were in a nice different brain state, and

1750
01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>then you were brought your sedated and then you were

1751
01:40:11.199 --> 01:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>brought into the catacombs and you would wander around in

1752
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.720
<v Speaker 2>the dark kind of with the sedation, and then you

1753
01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:21.319
<v Speaker 2>would sleep in these underground rooms and snakes would crawl around,

1754
01:40:21.399 --> 01:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and it was good luck the snake crawled over you.

1755
01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But they would they would astral project and they would

1756
01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>dream a cure. And these entities up in the astral

1757
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>they're not stupid. They gave you an actual cure. And

1758
01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>when you woke up, you would tell the physicians, Slash

1759
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:40.239
<v Speaker 2>high priest, this is the cure, you know, put a

1760
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.720
<v Speaker 2>leech on my finger or whatever it was, and if

1761
01:40:43.760 --> 01:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you got cured, you would pay them in gold, silver,

1762
01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:52.720
<v Speaker 2>or precious metal fashioned into the shape of the body

1763
01:40:52.760 --> 01:40:57.359
<v Speaker 2>part that got healed. And we see references of this

1764
01:40:57.479 --> 01:41:01.119
<v Speaker 2>even in scripture when the Philistine got a hold of

1765
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the Ark of the Covenant and things weren't going so

1766
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:06.079
<v Speaker 2>well for them, and they're like, we got to get

1767
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>rid of this box like that, we got to get

1768
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:11.119
<v Speaker 2>rid of this thing. And they they had tumors that

1769
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.880
<v Speaker 2>they got from rats. And when they when they got

1770
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>rid of the Ark of the Covenant, they the plague

1771
01:41:16.000 --> 01:41:21.720
<v Speaker 2>went away. And their offering to the Hebrew people was

1772
01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:25.680
<v Speaker 2>to fashion out of gold rats and tumors that they

1773
01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:29.359
<v Speaker 2>put in. And that was because in their culture, that's

1774
01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:32.600
<v Speaker 2>how you paid someone when you got healed of a disease,

1775
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>which is what happened to them when they got rid

1776
01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Rid of the Arc. What do you got there,

1777
01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:37.880
<v Speaker 2>headless giant?

1778
01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>All right?

1779
01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:44.720
<v Speaker 3>So this is a painting by Gustav Klempt called Medicine.

1780
01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

1781
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Around here we see the goddess Hygiea okay, holding out

1782
01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:55.439
<v Speaker 3>the cup of Leta, which causes you to forget your

1783
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:59.199
<v Speaker 3>past lines as you're being reincarnated, and so as you

1784
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.720
<v Speaker 3>can see the snake is wrapped around her arm. There

1785
01:42:01.800 --> 01:42:06.439
<v Speaker 3>the golden snake, and then behind her is this river

1786
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of souls, which represents the living right, and as you

1787
01:42:11.159 --> 01:42:16.279
<v Speaker 3>see in the detail, they're all asleep, all of these

1788
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:20.079
<v Speaker 3>characters behind her, so they are all in various states

1789
01:42:20.079 --> 01:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>of living, but they're all sleeping while they're doing it.

1790
01:42:23.239 --> 01:42:26.439
<v Speaker 3>And over there is the Goddess of life, bringing you

1791
01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:33.359
<v Speaker 3>life into the world, into this realm of river of souls,

1792
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:35.880
<v Speaker 3>and you can see there's two points connecting her to

1793
01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:38.439
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the painting, with the rest of it there.

1794
01:42:38.760 --> 01:42:41.520
<v Speaker 3>And what he's also saying in the background is that

1795
01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:44.279
<v Speaker 3>you see this blood right, and on the blood you

1796
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:48.720
<v Speaker 3>see all the golden coins, and so he's basically saying

1797
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:53.159
<v Speaker 3>that reincarnation is of the blood. It's coming through these bloodlines,

1798
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.520
<v Speaker 3>and that we're sort of all in this kind of

1799
01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.880
<v Speaker 3>fugue state, will awake because we're not aware of any

1800
01:43:00.960 --> 01:43:04.239
<v Speaker 3>of these factors that are going on basically behind the scenes.

1801
01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.520
<v Speaker 3>And actually this painting made a lot of doctors upset

1802
01:43:07.640 --> 01:43:12.359
<v Speaker 3>because in saying medicine and then showing you this picture

1803
01:43:12.399 --> 01:43:16.000
<v Speaker 3>of death and the afterlife, he's saying everybody's gonna die anyway,

1804
01:43:16.079 --> 01:43:20.279
<v Speaker 3>so you're not actually, you know, really doing other things

1805
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:23.079
<v Speaker 3>anything other than putting off the inevitable.

1806
01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:23.800
<v Speaker 2>M M.

1807
01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:28.199
<v Speaker 3>Just didn't like it. This painting was burned by the Nazis,

1808
01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:30.840
<v Speaker 3>so it doesn't really exist anymore. They just have a

1809
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:34.720
<v Speaker 3>composite of it. But basically, as they were retreating from

1810
01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:36.960
<v Speaker 3>a castle, they decided to light it on fire, and

1811
01:43:37.039 --> 01:43:40.079
<v Speaker 3>so that was the end for that painting. So it's

1812
01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:42.239
<v Speaker 3>got a very interesting history.

1813
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow Wow, that's amazing. That whole study of the first

1814
01:43:48.720 --> 01:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and second century with the yesclepions and the whole dreaming

1815
01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:57.600
<v Speaker 2>of cure extremely fascinating. If you are doing a seriously

1816
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>intellectual deep dive into trying to understand your sleep paralysis,

1817
01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:05.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're not running across a sclepyon in your research,

1818
01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.199
<v Speaker 2>you're going to miss out on a really big piece

1819
01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:10.079
<v Speaker 2>of understanding.

1820
01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Right, I think what's interesting too. Oh go ahead, Dick.

1821
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I think you actually, uh, at

1822
01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:20.119
<v Speaker 1>one point on the show, I think you actually read

1823
01:44:20.119 --> 01:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>out that whole thing and actually pointed out all those

1824
01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>names in there that I had no idea about either.

1825
01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:29.560
<v Speaker 3>It's just an amazing painting, and I don't think enough

1826
01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:33.800
<v Speaker 3>people understand the symbolism in it, so it's one of

1827
01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I think it's Gustav Clem's master work, to be honest,

1828
01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:39.840
<v Speaker 3>and he's had a lot of really great pantings too.

1829
01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>What's the name of the painting again, medicine?

1830
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, yeah, I think if you guys don't mind, well,

1831
01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:54.720
<v Speaker 1>for one, VICKI I mean this, this is actually tons

1832
01:44:54.720 --> 01:44:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of things I didn't say, and I would like to

1833
01:44:56.119 --> 01:44:58.079
<v Speaker 1>bring up and get into it even now. Even the

1834
01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>whole healing thing and out of your body stuff like

1835
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that I like to get into. But it's a whole

1836
01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of the show. Love to maybe really get you on

1837
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:08.239
<v Speaker 1>again in the future to talk about a few other

1838
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:11.399
<v Speaker 1>different avenues with this stuff, but I think we will

1839
01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>wrap it up now. I really this was an amazing episode.

1840
01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I really just thoroughly enjoyed talking about this and listening

1841
01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to your stuff me too.

1842
01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, guys.

1843
01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Cool conversation on no hell yeah, hell yah ellio. Well

1844
01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:25.399
<v Speaker 1>that's why I had said to you earlier, So why

1845
01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:28.119
<v Speaker 1>the hell haven't I had you on the show yet.

1846
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what, I was like, totally you fit

1847
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:35.079
<v Speaker 1>it totally. So again, thank you so much, Vicky. Please

1848
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>let everybody else you know, listening. Please let everybody know

1849
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>where they can find you.

1850
01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. You can find me on vickyjoy Anderson dot com,

1851
01:45:43.279 --> 01:45:47.279
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube at Vicky joy Anderson all caps. I'm at

1852
01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Vicky Joy author on most social media, and if you'd

1853
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:53.640
<v Speaker 2>like to meet me in person, you can come to Mansfield,

1854
01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Ohio the weekend of March twenty seven through twenty nine.

1855
01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I will be speaking at the Strange Land Conference on

1856
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Conjugal Nightmares and the Nuptials of Nasfaratu.

1857
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh that is all. If you can't seriously VICKI after

1858
01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the show, if you can't send me like a link

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<v Speaker 1>to that or whatever, I want to check out with this,

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<v Speaker 1>well yeah, I want to see how far away it

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<v Speaker 1>is from me and JJA. Okay, thank you again, like

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<v Speaker 1>for real, you really you're leaving me with things to

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<v Speaker 1>think about, you know, so this is yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys. You guys are leaving me with stuff to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about too.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. Good thanks and headless. Please let everybody know where

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<v Speaker 1>they can find all your amazing stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. You can find me on YouTube and x I

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<v Speaker 3>go by a headless giant if you If you have

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<v Speaker 3>experiences like the ones we've been talking about, send them

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<v Speaker 3>to me Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yes, please please send them over. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>sorry it was my fault. I screwed that one up

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<v Speaker 1>this week with the show. But yeah, no, I really do. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest with you. I really do. Look, I

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to doing it with you. It is fun actually,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, Yeah, send out those emails if you got

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<v Speaker 1>any experiences you want to I guess somehow, try to

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<v Speaker 1>stay anonymous. If your email doesn't have your name in there,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just just don't leave your name, you know, whatevers. Yeah, yeah, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for coming on. I really do

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate everything, the question you asked, the stuff you brought

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<v Speaker 1>to the table, you know, the reason why you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Is there anything you want to

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<v Speaker 1>plug or anything you want to Picky?

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for everything that you spoke about today.

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<v Speaker 4>Like Nick had said, it opened up so many other

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<v Speaker 4>portals of thought and potential exploration of topics that had

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<v Speaker 4>not even cross my path.

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<v Speaker 2>So enlightened.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very overjoyed, overjoyed by by having this opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>speak to you, and I do hope that Nick has

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<v Speaker 4>you on for other topics, because I'm sure we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to come up with other things, so thank you again.

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<v Speaker 4>The only thing I'd like to plug is just the

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<v Speaker 4>Occult Research Institute dot org our website to where we

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<v Speaker 4>have no DA just a coult research. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 4>just a lot of contributors that have allowed us to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of share the work that they've provided, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>written work rather so a cold research institute dot org

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<v Speaker 4>checks out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you. Yeah. I guess one thing I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say just before we wrap it up, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from from doing this podcast for the last few years

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<v Speaker 1>and even from this show right here, this is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. You know, sometimes I do get left

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<v Speaker 1>with the thought that, like maybe the experiences that I've

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<v Speaker 1>had with magic, other people have had them too, were

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<v Speaker 1>just in different ways, you know what I'm saying, And

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, it wasn't the avenue that I took,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're having a different experience, maybe because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a different way to reference back to it. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same thing a little bit, you know. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what I'm getting at is that maybe we're

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<v Speaker 1>some people have had the same experience and they're really

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<v Speaker 1>not that different. It's just they don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>look at it. I don't know. You kind of left

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<v Speaker 1>me with thinking other people, you know, have had the

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<v Speaker 1>same experience as me, just sort it in a different way. Possibly,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Thanks, thank you so much again, Thank you Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you headless. And that is the end of another

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<v Speaker 1>recall rejects and until the next one, everybody be well

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<v Speaker 1>later