Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.
Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host?
Speaker 2: DJ Leaves? Well, well, well, we have reached the weekend
Speaker 2: of this massive we odd season pay per view card.
Speaker 2: But right now you can't tell the players without a scorecard.
Speaker 2: We're ready to try to help with that on the
Speaker 2: Big Fight Weekend preview. At least I think we know
Speaker 2: who all is fighting this weekend. Stand by as we
Speaker 2: do this. I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves.
Speaker 2: He is our insider. Dan Rayfield. We launched this and
Speaker 2: we love the podcast audience. We launched this every time
Speaker 2: we do this Thursday, usually in the evening Thursday night
Speaker 2: into Friday, and we're glad that you're with us. And
Speaker 2: I think I think we have everything solidified. But it's
Speaker 2: not Friday yet anyway, Dan Rayfield, to have you back.
Speaker 2: We've got ill fighters. Floyd Schofield is off the card
Speaker 2: because he's ill. Daniel du was off the card that
Speaker 2: he's because he's ill. Dan Rayfield's not off the podcast,
Speaker 2: even though you're a little bit out of the weather
Speaker 2: as well. Good to have you back. I know you're
Speaker 2: still fighting u illness yourself, but you're posting you posted
Speaker 2: here on the.
Speaker 1: Pod hanging in there. Uh. I don't have to fight though,
Speaker 1: And uh, it's been Uh. I mean I've I've covered
Speaker 1: a lot of fallouts and a lot of late breaking
Speaker 1: cards that have changed at the last minute, but I
Speaker 1: can't say I've seen a card that was this loaded
Speaker 1: in the first place. Have two major players, you know,
Speaker 1: in World championship fights drop out, one a challenger won
Speaker 1: a title holder, and make switches on one on four
Speaker 1: days notice, one on three days notice. And you know,
Speaker 1: we'll get into all of it, but it's it's been crazy.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, even if, even if, for
Speaker 1: the worst thing could have happened, and let's say both
Speaker 1: fights actually were hanseled because they couldn't come up with
Speaker 1: a replacement, and this, of course Stephenson fight was off
Speaker 1: the show completely, and the Dui and Parker fight was
Speaker 1: off the show completely. It would still be a hell
Speaker 1: of a pay per view. And they have managed, with
Speaker 1: a lot of elbow grease and for good fortune, et cetera,
Speaker 1: to be able to keep these two bouts on the
Speaker 1: event and still have a great show.
Speaker 2: And by the way money talks, we know this and
Speaker 2: when you have money, you can make things happen, and
Speaker 2: they have been making it happen. All right. Speaking of
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Speaker 2: been killing it with the interviews. We put back up
Speaker 2: on the podcast feed the Dmitri Bevil interview earlier this
Speaker 2: week as he gets ready to fight better BV. In
Speaker 2: the rematch, we put up the Joseph Parker interview. Got
Speaker 2: a lot of great insight about fighting DUBI. Unfortunately none
Speaker 2: of that matters, but you'll hear from Parker on his mindset,
Speaker 2: the underdog thing, the whole bit. So that's on the
Speaker 2: pod feed.
Speaker 1: A good amount of that Joe Parker interview was not
Speaker 1: even related to particular the evolution of where he's been
Speaker 1: over the last year, the upsets, getting back in position,
Speaker 1: his new working relationship with Andy Lee and George Lockhart,
Speaker 1: is nutrition and strength coach. So a lot of good
Speaker 1: stuff from Joe and other than do.
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Speaker 2: coverage with what we do. All right, So let's get
Speaker 2: into the nuts and bolts. The chronology is that Floyd
Speaker 2: Schofield was sick earlier this week in Saudi Arabia, so
Speaker 2: pick it up from there, because there was some debate
Speaker 2: about whether he could fight or not. It turns out
Speaker 2: didn't get cleared, didn't want to try it while he's sick.
Speaker 2: I can't blame him for that. I mean, if the.
Speaker 1: Flu that he didn't have a choice, DJ I understand.
Speaker 2: I understand. But if this is no joke when you're
Speaker 2: talking about going into the ring to get ready to fight,
Speaker 2: if you're not healthy, if you're ill, they shouldn't let
Speaker 2: him fight. I'm with you. So take me, take me
Speaker 2: through that and how we ended up with the opponent
Speaker 2: we ended up with for Shakur, because that was the
Speaker 2: first casualty this way.
Speaker 1: All right, So putting aside all the nonsensical conspiracies by
Speaker 1: Floyd Scofield's lunatic father about how cha course teams set
Speaker 1: them up and rubbed cream on them because of messuse
Speaker 1: got involved, the complete idiocy.
Speaker 2: I had not heard that one, but I keep going. Yeah,
Speaker 2: put it aside.
Speaker 1: Okay, a fighter going overseas and in flu season or
Speaker 1: you know, in the season where this happens, coming down
Speaker 1: with an illness, whether it's a cold or it is
Speaker 1: the actual flu, or it's COVID or it's something else,
Speaker 1: is not entirely unusual. Bottom line is floyd' Scholfield would
Speaker 1: not have traveled thousands and thousands of miles away for
Speaker 1: a payday that is probably tenfold of what he's ever made,
Speaker 1: uh to fight for a world championship on a big
Speaker 1: cart and if fight that he has called for for
Speaker 1: a while and really really went to the mat to
Speaker 1: get it. Actually in a situation where the folks at
Speaker 1: Golden Boy, which are his promoter, did not want to
Speaker 1: do the fight, but he basically talked them into it.
Speaker 1: So anybody thinks that the kid pulled out just because
Speaker 1: he was somehow afraid of the fight or something is
Speaker 1: just a fucking idiot. But besides that, so Tuesday night
Speaker 1: he falls ill. I don't know the exact situation some
Speaker 1: of sixers, and maybe it was a weight making scenario.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that particular. The bottom line is.
Speaker 2: That he was not he was in the hospital.
Speaker 1: The hospital.
Speaker 2: He was in the hospital.
Speaker 1: So once that happened and he is released, I guess
Speaker 1: he's doing okay. But here's the point though, Even if
Speaker 1: all that's the case, even if you still wanted to fight,
Speaker 1: and even if it was feeling better the end of
Speaker 1: the day, the regulators do their job. The British Boxing
Speaker 1: Board of Control regulates the fights in Saudi Arabia these
Speaker 1: reat season cards. The only exceptions have been the Uzik
Speaker 1: Fury fights, where they brought in another regulation outfit to
Speaker 1: do the main events because Zusig didn't want the Britts
Speaker 1: regulating a fight against the Brett understandable, but the British
Speaker 1: Boxing Board of Control was regulating this fight and they
Speaker 1: were like, no, you're out. That's it. They are the
Speaker 1: ones that pulled the plug on the fight. They had.
Speaker 1: Floyd Schofield had no choice even if he wanted to
Speaker 1: continue to go through with it, so he was out now.
Speaker 1: As soon as that happened, there was a, you know,
Speaker 1: a mad dash to get a new opponent. And you
Speaker 1: have a lot of promoters involving these shows, whether it's
Speaker 1: Frank Warrens folks, there's Toppering people involve. There's obviously Mattroom Boxing,
Speaker 1: there's gold Star, there's Sella, There's all these different entities,
Speaker 1: Golden Boy, There's a bunch of different people. So they
Speaker 1: had all their people, like you, rolling up their sleeves
Speaker 1: trying to get this work that. As it turned out,
Speaker 1: this was the opponent by all accounts, that Turkey Alshic
Speaker 1: picked to try to see if he was available to
Speaker 1: do the fight. And it's a fighter named Josh Padley.
Speaker 1: And you may remember the name Josh Padley because on
Speaker 1: a card last fall, I believe it was on the
Speaker 1: big card that took place at Wimbley Stadium when in
Speaker 1: September when he knocked out Anthony Joshua. On that undercard,
Speaker 1: you had Mark Chamberlain, who is Turkey's favorite fighter, the
Speaker 1: lightweight up and comer contender, however you want to describe him,
Speaker 1: and he was defeated in that particular fight in an
Speaker 1: upset and Padley was the one that beat him. Padley
Speaker 1: is undefeated, he's now fifteen to zero. He looked you know,
Speaker 1: pretty good. He was an underdog against Mark Chamberlain. He
Speaker 1: won a pretty clear decision, knocked him down in the fight,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't fought since that fight. And as it
Speaker 1: turns out, and you know, say what you want about
Speaker 1: the merit of the WBC rankings, that's a conversation for
Speaker 1: another day. But here's the fact. Before all this stuff happened,
Speaker 1: it just turned out that Josh Padley was one slot
Speaker 1: ahead of Floyd Schofield in the WBC rankings. One guy
Speaker 1: was twelfth, one guy was thirteen. So if according to
Speaker 1: the WBC who approved to prove this fight, they're actually
Speaker 1: doing a title defense for Shakhor against a contender rated
Speaker 1: higher than the original opponents. So take that for what
Speaker 1: it's worth. You know, I think both of the fights
Speaker 1: were mismatches. That's my opinion that of all the great
Speaker 1: fights on this show, that was the one that was
Speaker 1: the widest. And but all credit to Chamberlain. He was
Speaker 1: in shape, he was you know, I guess close to wait.
Speaker 2: Credit to Padley, Yes, I know who you mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Padly, My bad, my bet Padley for him and
Speaker 1: his team willing to do the fight on such short notice. Obviously,
Speaker 1: being well compensated, and you know, life changing money for
Speaker 1: a basically, what is a guy who's been a club
Speaker 1: fighter other than the victor against Chamberlain, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna roll the dice. He has nothing to lose
Speaker 1: because even if he loses a twelve round decision, or
Speaker 1: if even he gets stopped, you know, he he went
Speaker 1: in there on such short notice. He made a big
Speaker 1: amount of money. He got in the good graces of
Speaker 1: everybody involved with the show, match room certainly, and Turkey obviously,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know again, you're fighting shirt course
Speaker 1: Steven Stalls.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: You might get stopped, but you're probably not going to
Speaker 1: get beat up because Shakur's game is about, you know,
Speaker 1: the sweet science of box.
Speaker 2: And here's the reality with what you're saying. I'm sure
Speaker 2: his own people prevailed upon him and others. You may
Speaker 2: never get another opportunity like this. There's no guarantees. We
Speaker 2: hope you will to make this kind of money, be
Speaker 2: on this kind of a van against this kind of fighter.
Speaker 2: You're in shape, you're on weight. And by the way,
Speaker 2: rayphel that's a whole nother debacle. Is everybody gonna make
Speaker 2: weight on Friday. That's a Friday problem. That's a Friday problem.
Speaker 2: But allegedly Padley is on weight right, has been in
Speaker 2: training and now he's the new opponent for Shakour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they were. They were having conversations about him,
Speaker 1: and not that he would be in training camp already
Speaker 1: for this fight, but there was conversations where he may
Speaker 1: have been the next opponent to face Dalton Smith from
Speaker 1: the UK and undefeated contender who's now in the number
Speaker 1: one position I believe at one hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 1: And so look, Padley got on the plane on Tuesday night,
Speaker 1: he got to Rehid in time to be at their
Speaker 1: press conference on Wednesday, and he basically said, this is
Speaker 1: what every boxer gets in the in the sport for.
Speaker 1: Is you want to you know, be in these world
Speaker 1: title fights, beyond these big cards, make good money, and
Speaker 1: you know basically say, and I'm getting to do all
Speaker 1: three of these things at once. So when you're at
Speaker 1: whatever level you're at in boxing, you can always go
Speaker 1: in the ring and lose to nobody for no money.
Speaker 1: So not that that's his mindset that he's gonna lose,
Speaker 1: but if you're going to do it, you might as
Speaker 1: well do it against the best opponent on the biggest stage,
Speaker 1: for the biggest money, and Padley's taking advantage of the
Speaker 1: of a situation. It's unfortunate for Scofield. Hopefully, you know,
Speaker 1: he'll get another opportunity somewhere along the line, or you know,
Speaker 1: step up and fight another contender and continue his career.
Speaker 1: He seems like he's gonna be okay in terms of
Speaker 1: his health, but not enough to be in the ring
Speaker 1: on Saturday. So Padley gets the opportunity of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: It would be a gargantuan I mean, an upset of
Speaker 1: epic proportions if he was able to bump off h Course, Stevenson,
Speaker 1: who you know, for his perspective, is like, look, I'm
Speaker 1: fighting Schofield, I'm fighting Padley, I've been training, I'm ready
Speaker 1: to fight whoever it is in the ring. He made
Speaker 1: the analogy during the press cover ince that it's sort
Speaker 1: of like when you're in an amateur tournament and you
Speaker 1: don't even know you're going to fight just before they
Speaker 1: do the draw. So he was thinking about it from
Speaker 1: those from that point of view. Again, Shakur was a
Speaker 1: decorated amateur who went in a million tournaments and won
Speaker 1: a silver medal in the Olympics, so that the notion
Speaker 1: that he's fighting a guy who he didn't know about
Speaker 1: until right up till them was fight time as not
Speaker 1: an alien concept for guys who are top amateurs.
Speaker 2: And clearly he's heavily favored, he's very talented. But Shakur
Speaker 2: also off of a hand injury as well in this,
Speaker 2: so we'll see how he looks. We'll see how he looks.
Speaker 2: And again they had to throw this together, as we
Speaker 2: like to say, but wait, there's more work. So now
Speaker 2: we rolled into Thursday and the reports began to surface
Speaker 2: Thursday morning US time, middle of the day UK time
Speaker 2: that Daniel Dubois was suddenly ill and this is the
Speaker 2: day that they're going to do the press conferences with
Speaker 2: the fighters, etc. In Riad And then it became a debate, Okay,
Speaker 2: how ill is he? Can he go on? And Frank
Speaker 2: Warren even said at a news conference, We're not sure
Speaker 2: yet that was night time, saudy time, but earlier in
Speaker 2: the day. Now you and I are taping this in
Speaker 2: the evening on Thursday. What ended up happening is same scenario.
Speaker 2: Right the the British Boxing Board of Control saying with
Speaker 2: their doctor he's sick, he can't fight.
Speaker 1: It was not a British from I understand. This was
Speaker 1: not the British board that said that. They probably would
Speaker 1: have but regardless, he was ill and could was not
Speaker 1: going to fight. I mean, end of story. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna again. He's not looking to duck out
Speaker 1: of the fight. He took the fight. Did the promotion
Speaker 1: train you know, I'm not I don't believe there's anything
Speaker 1: nefarious whatsoever. I mean, a guy's travel different weather, different food,
Speaker 1: different schedule, time zones are mixed up, you know, and
Speaker 1: it just lowers your immunes, I guess. And so you know,
Speaker 1: he got sick. It's not unusual and so he's not
Speaker 1: going to fight now again. Like I said about what
Speaker 1: happened with Shakor and Padley, you have a lot of
Speaker 1: boxing knowledgeable people involved in this business who've made matches
Speaker 1: a million times, promotional folks and matchmakers and managers and uh,
Speaker 1: and a lot of money that can be used to
Speaker 1: grease the wheels to get a guy in the fight.
Speaker 1: So uh, they were gonna clearly keep Parker on the
Speaker 1: show if they could come up with a suitable replacement opponent. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, it's unfortunate for DUIs coming off such a
Speaker 1: huge victory against Joshua, this was a great opportunity to
Speaker 1: follow up on and put yet another big win in
Speaker 1: his in his uh, you know, in his uh, in
Speaker 1: his ledger. Remember he had won three in a row
Speaker 1: Jarrell Miller Argovich to win the interim title, upgraded then
Speaker 1: knocked out Joshua in the first offense spectacularly.
Speaker 2: And we need to say this massive interest in this fight,
Speaker 2: obviously in the UK, massive interest in Europe and in
Speaker 2: the CAR. But there was gonna be massive interest in
Speaker 2: this bout because of Dubois and the and the angle
Speaker 2: of him being the the IBF heavyweight champion and.
Speaker 1: Parker, and Parker is a well known fighter to the
Speaker 1: British crowd also because most of his big fights have
Speaker 1: been in Britain, whether it was against his unification against
Speaker 1: Joshua that he lost or obviously he lost also to UH,
Speaker 1: to Joe Joyce, but he's also fought fights in the
Speaker 1: UK in one fights and he's also on a great run.
Speaker 1: He's won five fights in a row, including back to
Speaker 1: back fights in Riad where he took down Deontay Wilder
Speaker 1: Zilly Zang. So he's been red hot also. We talked
Speaker 1: about that on our interview in the podcast that was
Speaker 1: on the previous episode. So they were looking for a
Speaker 1: new opponent for him. Now, there was a bunch of
Speaker 1: names that came up as the possibility that he might fight,
Speaker 1: and you know that always happens. You know guys who
Speaker 1: are volunteering, your guys who they're thinking maybe get in
Speaker 1: the fight. So there was a couple of guys they
Speaker 1: mentioned that are supposed to fight on the boxer card
Speaker 1: on April fifth. One is Lawrence o'koley, who is new
Speaker 1: to the heavyweight division although he had a title at
Speaker 1: bridgerweight and at light heavyweight I mean, I'm sorry at cruiserweight. Cruiserweight.
Speaker 1: David Atdlier another Britt who'd been on Riat season cards
Speaker 1: in the past, who also was scheduled for a boxer
Speaker 1: card on April fifth. The other name that had come
Speaker 1: up was a fighter named marod Aliev who was a
Speaker 1: French fighter, a southba who was a twenty twenty Olympian.
Speaker 1: In the end, you had Billy Nelson, who was the
Speaker 1: manager and trainer of the big Man Martin Bacoley, who
Speaker 1: was posted on social media. Hey, you know, we told
Speaker 1: our promoter, which is also a boxer, that talked to
Speaker 1: the folks in Saudi Arabia and Martin Bucoley is ready
Speaker 1: and willing and able to fight. So so Parker, Uh,
Speaker 1: no problem. And you know, within a couple hours of
Speaker 1: that of that post, Marin Bacoley had accepted the fight
Speaker 1: and got the offer, and he's on his way to
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia probably as we're or soon to be on
Speaker 1: his way to Saudi Arabia on three days. Notice, a
Speaker 1: very dangerous fight for both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. So before we get into
Speaker 2: the actual matchup here, the one thing I considered, and
Speaker 2: you and I were not in communication on Thursday, but
Speaker 2: I was communicating with Ricky Carroll, who does a great
Speaker 2: job right now as our lead writer on Big Fight
Speaker 2: Weekend dot com, and I said, what are you hearing?
Speaker 2: Because he was checking with some different people. Could they
Speaker 2: make could they make the fight with a Jeet Kaba
Speaker 2: Yell more so than Jang because Parker had beaten Jang.
Speaker 2: So Kaba Yell and Jang are on the undercard. To me, again,
Speaker 2: it's boxing, but it seemed kind of interesting. Could they
Speaker 2: accommodate Jang, pay him and let Kaba Yell fight Parker
Speaker 2: because they're already there.
Speaker 1: There would be absolutely no reason to break up the
Speaker 1: Jang and Caveall fight, especially given that it was already
Speaker 1: situated for the Dumble BBC interim title. Zero chance that
Speaker 1: was going down.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying. I'm just saying because he was
Speaker 2: already there, the fact that that you could make it.
Speaker 1: All you're doing is ruining one fight to make another fight.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: But the other thing is that Caaba Yelle, supposedly on
Speaker 2: the trajectory, would have a legitimate chance here. Jang is
Speaker 2: kind of the opponent. I was just theorizing it. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying how realistic it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd say Jang is the opponent.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think Jangs and knock
Speaker 1: Cabby Yell out.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out. We'll find out, and then we'll.
Speaker 1: Know they weren't going to break apart that fight to
Speaker 1: make another. But they got Bacoli in the fight. Now,
Speaker 1: Bacoley hadn't fought since the Zip then since the August
Speaker 1: fight against Jared Anderson, when he detonated him and destroyed
Speaker 1: him and looked right. And he's had trouble getting fights,
Speaker 1: and so this is an incredible opportunity for him. The
Speaker 1: one great thing when you're a heavyweight taking a fight
Speaker 1: on Charno's, you're gotta worry about making weight. Whatever Marley
Speaker 1: is is it?
Speaker 2: Is it the skeptic in me that's wondering is all
Speaker 2: of this still gonna work out? Because Baccoli's got to
Speaker 2: get there as we're taping this. He's got to clear
Speaker 2: the medicals and all of that, because again, he's not
Speaker 2: a fighter that has been in Saudi Arabia where they're
Speaker 2: checking him out for the last two or three days.
Speaker 2: At least Badley had a couple of extra days notice
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: Well, he had one extra day notice.
Speaker 2: Well it was yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday. But any in any
Speaker 2: in any event, am I am I being too skeptical?
Speaker 1: Well, anything, anything could happen. I mean, who the heck knows.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you found an opponent where weight's
Speaker 1: got an issue, I have to imagine the medical is
Speaker 1: not an issue. First of all, he's fought in Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia in the past. He's a fighter that fights out
Speaker 1: of Scotland, so he's under the under the jurisdiction of
Speaker 1: the British Boxing Board of Control. By all accounts, he's
Speaker 1: you know, he's not injured. He came off a great
Speaker 1: win in August, so I don't As long as he
Speaker 1: can get his rear end, you know, to the airport
Speaker 1: and get on the plane and make it to Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 1: I don't see why there is a problem. And from
Speaker 1: Joseph Parker's perspective, in listening to Joseph at the press conference,
Speaker 1: you know, wished good good health to Daniel Dubois, but
Speaker 1: he said I'll be ready for Saturday. And his manager,
Speaker 1: Spencer Brown, who's involved with the event, and Saudi ready,
Speaker 1: He's like, look, there's gonna be a fight on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and Joe's ready, willing abele and he is a throwback fighter.
Speaker 1: Him and I talked about on the podcast about his
Speaker 1: willingness to just fight whoever. So there might be only
Speaker 1: one fighter in boxing willing to take on Martin Bucoley
Speaker 1: on three days notice, and it happens to be Joseph Parker.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of guys would be willing to do that.
Speaker 1: So that is a this is a fight that if
Speaker 1: they had announced this when they kicked off the entire show,
Speaker 1: people would have said, oh shit, that's a good fight,
Speaker 1: Bocoli against Parker. Now, as it turns out, not that
Speaker 1: this is a reason, not that this is why it's happening.
Speaker 1: When Parker was fighting Duboi, it was for Dubai's IBF title,
Speaker 1: and it had already been predetermined in an agreement with
Speaker 1: the WBO and Parker's team. Parker, remember when he beat Jang,
Speaker 1: he won the interim WBO title. Now, the WBO is
Speaker 1: not big into interim titles. They try to get rid
Speaker 1: of them as quickly as possible. They're usually only in
Speaker 1: a in a particular situation, mostly injury, but there their
Speaker 1: rules do not permit, and they're and they're very steadfast
Speaker 1: about this to have an interim champion fight another champion
Speaker 1: from another organization and somehow unify a full title with
Speaker 1: an interim titles, because it's just fucking stupid. So it
Speaker 1: was already known that once the bell rang, Parker's interim
Speaker 1: title of the WBO would be vacated. But because the
Speaker 1: IBF title is not at stake and he still is,
Speaker 1: the WBO interim champion and McCauley is a bona fide
Speaker 1: legit contender. My back and forth earlier today with Gustabo Olaveri,
Speaker 1: who was the president of the WBO, because I asked
Speaker 1: them out, he says, yeah, we'll allow that fight, So
Speaker 1: this will be sanctioned instead of being an IBF heavyweight
Speaker 1: title fight, it will be in fact for Joseph Parker's
Speaker 1: interim WBO title. For whatever that's worth, but there is,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it's worth. That's for sure.
Speaker 2: What it's worth is whoever wins this fight, If if
Speaker 2: Alexander Usik is not willing to fight them and fairly
Speaker 2: soon later this year. This is me saying this, they
Speaker 2: could be elevated as the full champion. That's the whole idea,
Speaker 2: that's the whole reason why they did the interim And
Speaker 2: the point I don't.
Speaker 1: Know about later this year. Remember when you're a unified champion.
Speaker 1: The way that the way that Usik is they do
Speaker 1: a rotation system and so the WBO my recollection is
Speaker 1: not the next step in line. But the point is
Speaker 1: there's there's some added stakes because of it. So it's
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for Bacoli Parker is defending that title
Speaker 1: instead of fighting for the other title. It just an
Speaker 1: added element to the fight, you know. And even if
Speaker 1: there wasn't around, they probably still would have made the match.
Speaker 1: And what happened, I'm just saying it just adds to
Speaker 1: it with a little bit of the just a different organization.
Speaker 2: And and you and I aren't agreement. Dangerous fight here
Speaker 2: for pugurely dangerous with with Bocoli, asked jar At, Anderson
Speaker 2: asked Tony Yoka who he beat? You love my phrase
Speaker 2: pillar to post when they fought a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago as well.
Speaker 1: So I just don't I just don't know what Bocoli's
Speaker 1: situation is in terms of in the gym, like in
Speaker 1: fighting shape, because he doesn't hate to add anything scheduled
Speaker 1: and sometimes with Martin, the thing that that can be
Speaker 1: an issue is the conditioning. Is the weight. Parker's been
Speaker 1: in camp for you know, nine or ten weeks, so
Speaker 1: he should be, you know, ready to roll. It is
Speaker 1: a big change of the style of opponent. I mean,
Speaker 1: Duboi is a smaller, shorter, quicker, uh problem, heavier puncher
Speaker 1: than Bacoli, who is a much more taller, wider, more
Speaker 1: lumbering but powerful. It's a different kind of animal South.
Speaker 1: He's still in there with a big man trying to
Speaker 1: take your head.
Speaker 2: Off and a big left. And credit again to Parker
Speaker 2: for being willing to do all of this. So first
Speaker 2: time I'll mention we'll handicap these fights on the bet
Speaker 2: Us Boxing Show at one Eastern time Friday. I'm interested
Speaker 2: in your handicap of Parker and Bocoli, so to our knowledge,
Speaker 2: can I qualify it one more time? That's it on
Speaker 2: the moving and shaking on this read season card. Now,
Speaker 2: if something else has happened overnight, God help us overnight
Speaker 2: Thursday into Friday morning, you and I will be talking
Speaker 2: about it on the bet Us Boxing Show. But for now,
Speaker 2: this is all the musical chairs that we have at
Speaker 2: the moment. Is these two fights, we think as we
Speaker 2: put the pod to bed, all right, So that leads
Speaker 2: us back to the top, which is Archer better BV
Speaker 2: and Dmitri Bvol. The rematch again here from Bevol on
Speaker 2: the hod Feed a couple of episodes ago, if you
Speaker 2: missed it, talking with Dan about this rematch, and this
Speaker 2: is kind of rare that it's an immediate rematch, like
Speaker 2: four months later. We've seen some immediate rematches, like the
Speaker 2: Usik Thury rematch was within the same year, about six
Speaker 2: months apart, but only four months later the two Russians
Speaker 2: are fighting again. Dan, what are your thoughts as we're
Speaker 2: now within the forty eight hour window of having that
Speaker 2: rematch undisputed light heavyweight title fight.
Speaker 1: Besides all the craziness of what's been going on with
Speaker 1: some of these undercard fights, you know, with Dui and
Speaker 1: the Shakurt fights, I mean, this is still the main event.
Speaker 1: This is still the main attraction. This is still the
Speaker 1: one for all the marbles. This is still a rematch
Speaker 1: of what was an extraordinarily close fight in October, a
Speaker 1: fight that I personally scored one fourteen to one fourteen.
Speaker 1: It was a very close call in favor of Arthur
Speaker 1: Better bv. I mean, it really could have gone either way.
Speaker 1: I think even if you're a supporter of the other fighter,
Speaker 1: you acknowledge that it was a super close fight. It
Speaker 1: was a majority decision. One judge did have it one
Speaker 1: fourteen to one, fourteen one with seven to five fifteen,
Speaker 1: one to thirteen. One was eight four one sixteen one twelve.
Speaker 1: Some people kind of lost their mind like not going
Speaker 1: to be eight to far. It was really close fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But if there's like a bunch of four or five
Speaker 1: close rounds in the fight and he just happened to
Speaker 1: take it off to the other guy eight four in
Speaker 1: a fight like that, it doesn't doesn't is not indicative
Speaker 1: that it's a wide fight, because each of those rounds
Speaker 1: were close, like literally TJ in this fight, basically all
Speaker 1: twelve rounds were close, competitive and better beev to the
Speaker 1: view of most people, including the judges, closed much stronger,
Speaker 1: and so whatever he needed to do, he got the
Speaker 1: benefit because over the last three rounds he basically was
Speaker 1: that was what provided him with the margin to be
Speaker 1: the winner of the fight. So Beevol wants to as
Speaker 1: he said a million times leading up to the fight,
Speaker 1: including in the interview your referenced on the pod a
Speaker 1: couple episodes ago, he needs to do more, he needs
Speaker 1: to throw more punches better. BV probably wants to get
Speaker 1: off to a little bit of a better start. But
Speaker 1: there's not any tricks here. I mean, these guys are
Speaker 1: who they are. They're veteran contenders, they're veteran championship level fighters,
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot that you're gonna switch around
Speaker 1: in four months. Maybe a wrinkle here, a wrinkle there,
Speaker 1: But I anticipate, you know, a similarly you know, close
Speaker 1: and cagey kind of fight. To me, it's about can
Speaker 1: can better be of land the big bomb that he
Speaker 1: was not able to land the first time, because we
Speaker 1: know he's one of the more devastating punchers in boxing.
Speaker 1: That was the first time he ever went the route
Speaker 1: in his professional career and knocked out all the opponents.
Speaker 1: He was the only reigning world title holder that had
Speaker 1: one hundred percent and has not got ratio. So it's
Speaker 1: a very fascinating fight. I do not expect it to
Speaker 1: be some kind of great action fight, but I do
Speaker 1: expect it to be a competitive, cagey, interesting, tension filled
Speaker 1: kind of fight where you really have to pay attention.
Speaker 1: If you're scoring the fight, you got to really really
Speaker 1: pay close attention because every little thing can count and
Speaker 1: make a difference. And you know, again, when they fought
Speaker 1: the first time around, there hadn't been an undisputed light
Speaker 1: heavyweight champ in twenty five years. Since nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: when Roy Jones did it. There had never been an
Speaker 1: undisputed champion since there's been a four belt era and
Speaker 1: better be A was able to do it, but Bibo
Speaker 1: wasn't that much behind. It was like, no, I thought
Speaker 1: even maybe he's a half step in one round. I
Speaker 1: mean whatever, but it's a just a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a really good matchup between two top ten caliber pound
Speaker 1: for pound fighters.
Speaker 2: Has he learned from fight one? We're about to find
Speaker 2: out what can he do differently again? You and I
Speaker 2: are going to handicap his high stakes.
Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, yeah, Turkey al chic back, you know,
Speaker 1: back after David Benavite's defeated David Morrell in the light
Speaker 1: heavyweight division, invited David to come and be as guests,
Speaker 1: And from my understanding and what I am told that
Speaker 1: David will be on a plane or is on a
Speaker 1: plane headed to Saudi Arabia to be ringside. Because he
Speaker 1: is as the as the bizarrely unified WBA Regular champion
Speaker 1: WBC Interim champion, he is the mandatory in two organizations
Speaker 1: because a WBC has already said you're the mandatory at
Speaker 1: light heavyweight by virtue of being the regular champion, you're
Speaker 1: automatically the editor in the WBA. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: he's the biggest name in the division. Uh and some
Speaker 1: people would consider might bigger, maybe not the champion, but
Speaker 1: in terms of the name value, at least in this
Speaker 1: side of the world, in terms of the money he generates.
Speaker 1: You know, David Benavides is is a significant fighter in
Speaker 1: the division, probably the biggest name that there is, frankly,
Speaker 1: and so he's right there in line potentially to fight
Speaker 1: the winner as the mandatory perhaps later this year, be
Speaker 1: it in Saudi Arabia, perhaps on a Saudi card that
Speaker 1: they may, you know, do with some more events here
Speaker 1: in the United States. But I don't care who the
Speaker 1: winner of the main event is, whether it's Bibel or
Speaker 1: Better be It. You can't tell me you're not interested
Speaker 1: in seeing that victor take on David Benabez A fascinating,
Speaker 1: really interesting fight.
Speaker 2: Amen, And so let's see what happened. Lots of options,
Speaker 2: lots of options, including the name Canelo Alvarez down the
Speaker 2: road could be an option too against the undisputed winner here.
Speaker 2: So that's what's it's taken on. Obviously, Bible has a
Speaker 2: win over Canelo.
Speaker 1: I will tell you right now there's probably zero chance
Speaker 1: that Canelo will fight Better be It.
Speaker 2: So that if he is the winner, if Bevil is
Speaker 2: the winner, who.
Speaker 1: Knows the one fight.
Speaker 2: Of course? Of course, all right, so we have that.
Speaker 2: By the way, I need to mention because I was
Speaker 2: derelict at the beginning because of all the chaos with
Speaker 2: the fighters moving around. Lamont Roach is on the pod
Speaker 2: with you with Gervante Davis. We're going to play that
Speaker 2: interview here in a few minutes as you spoke with
Speaker 2: him as his battle with Gervonte Davis on pay per
Speaker 2: view is next Saturday, March the first, So you'll hear
Speaker 2: from Lamont Roach uh in a little bit here on
Speaker 2: the pipe. We just got we have so much on
Speaker 2: this ri odd card. We got to keep going Dan Rayfield,
Speaker 2: all right, So now we move down the card, and
Speaker 2: I really believe for me, this is the fight that
Speaker 2: I'm looking the most forward to. That is Hams of
Speaker 2: Sharaz going for the WBC middleweight title with Carlos a Damas,
Speaker 2: a Damas who is a Dominican fighter, a hard body puncher.
Speaker 2: There's there's a lot of intrigue Sharaz with the size,
Speaker 2: with the height and the reach. I'm very intrigued by
Speaker 2: this fight coming on Saturday. Give me a little more
Speaker 2: in a preview.
Speaker 1: About well, Schra's is probably the hottest guy in the
Speaker 1: division right now. He is undefeated. He's been closely associated
Speaker 1: with these read Season cards and made him a Read
Speaker 1: Season ambassador. You know, he's the house guy even though
Speaker 1: he's not the champion, and you can take it to
Speaker 1: the bank that that's the guy that Turkey wants to
Speaker 1: see win the fight. And he's coming off some worthwhile
Speaker 1: victories that put him in a position that he is
Speaker 1: a legitimate contender to be fighting for now. He is
Speaker 1: the WBC's mandatory challenger, and you know he is undefeated.
Speaker 1: But his run where he started really open eyes and
Speaker 1: make people believers and take serious notice, goes back to
Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty four. Had a big year in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. He won three fights. He won all
Speaker 1: them by knockout. He looked really good in all three fights.
Speaker 1: The first one was back in February where he had
Speaker 1: a first round knockout against Leam Williams. Now, Allan Williams
Speaker 1: might have been a little bit past his best days,
Speaker 1: but no one had ever done that to Liam Williams,
Speaker 1: who's been a you know, was a good contender for
Speaker 1: several years, so that was a first round destruction. Then
Speaker 1: in a fight where there was a lot of sentiment
Speaker 1: on both sides to be quite honest, he was taken
Speaker 1: on remember the five on five card that took place
Speaker 1: in June. He was on Team Queensberry. He was matched
Speaker 1: up with the matchroom fighter, Austin m. O. Williams, the
Speaker 1: undefeated American fighter, and it was a good fight and
Speaker 1: Hams of Shiraz was bigger, longer, and obviously he's stronger,
Speaker 1: and he took Williams out in an eleventh round knockout.
Speaker 1: It was a very big win for him. And because
Speaker 1: he was the captain of the team of Team Queensberry,
Speaker 1: because he got the knock out, he got the extra point.
Speaker 1: Then as people remember Frank Warren's team you know, steamrolled
Speaker 1: and won by shutout against Eddie Hernstein. But he got
Speaker 1: the extra point as the captain. Anyway, that was a
Speaker 1: very impressive victory. Then he returned in September. He also
Speaker 1: fought on the Wembley card when Joshua and d had
Speaker 1: their fight. He fought on that undercard. He's from England,
Speaker 1: so he's front of the home crowd and he knocked
Speaker 1: out a fellow britt Tyler Denny. He won the European
Speaker 1: Middleway title very impressively in the second round. Like just
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to lose that fight. I fought for sure he would
Speaker 1: win that fight, but I actually thought that that Denny
Speaker 1: would hang in there for a little while, and he
Speaker 1: just made it, you know, like a blitz and he
Speaker 1: was done for her. And so now he has this
Speaker 1: opportunity against Carlos Damas, who is taking on his mandatory,
Speaker 1: is getting his biggest payday traveling. Look, Adamas has been
Speaker 1: a good fighter for a while but does not have
Speaker 1: the name recognition, hasn't achieved the notoriety, but he's got
Speaker 1: a couple of solid wins. You know, if you go
Speaker 1: back pre championship, you know he had defeated like for example,
Speaker 1: in a close decision, he beat Sergei debrian Chenko, who
Speaker 1: lost to the very best fighters out there. Remember when
Speaker 1: Charlot went the distance when with Juan Messias Montielle, Well
Speaker 1: it was a Damas who blew him away in three rounds.
Speaker 1: Didn't have to go to the distance with the guy
Speaker 1: that was a you know, a domination for that fight,
Speaker 1: and then he beat the former Juor Middleway title holder
Speaker 1: Julian Williams, who had moved up and knocked him out
Speaker 1: in the ninth round. That was on Showtime if you remember,
Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three, and then he didn't really
Speaker 1: look good in this particular fight, but he still won
Speaker 1: pretty handily in terms of the scoring. He took on
Speaker 1: Terrell Gachet back in June. That was on the same
Speaker 1: card that was the doubleheader where he had Tank Davis
Speaker 1: against Frank Martin and benavide Is against Alexander Votek. One
Speaker 1: of the other pay per view fights that night was
Speaker 1: a Domis dettending the Tunnle. She hasn't fought into June,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of these guys, there's good money
Speaker 1: and he's taken a show on the road to put
Speaker 1: onto this fight. Now, I'm not sure that he can
Speaker 1: compete in the sense of just the punching power that
Speaker 1: Shiraz has, the freshness that Charaz has, and also Charaz
Speaker 1: is like six foot three, which is giant from midway. Now,
Speaker 1: it's not like Adamis is short. He's five to eleven.
Speaker 1: That's pretty decent size for one hundred and sixty pounder,
Speaker 1: not like a small guy. But I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be outgunned just in terms of the physical attributes height, breach, power, speed.
Speaker 1: It's a it's uphill battle, it seems to me, all right.
Speaker 2: So two other things though, too. A Damas was completely
Speaker 2: screwed over by the WBC not mandating that Jermal Charlo
Speaker 2: fight him or will strip you. And they waited and
Speaker 2: he had to wait, and he waited and waited and
Speaker 2: waited trying to get the Charlot fight and that never happened.
Speaker 2: So that's the reason why he hasn't been very active,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, two fights in two years, headed into
Speaker 2: this February showdown, and I like him as a body puncher.
Speaker 2: When you watch him fight, I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: going to get in the kitchen as we like to say,
Speaker 2: and get after Shiraz, But stay tuned. I'm very intrigued
Speaker 2: by this fight. And you and I sound like we
Speaker 2: might be on opposite sides of the aisle on the
Speaker 2: bet Us show.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you're tuning in, promise, if you're five eleven
Speaker 1: and you're fighting a six to three guy and you
Speaker 1: got inside that height disadvantage, you should be going after
Speaker 1: the body, especially if it's one of your better attributes.
Speaker 2: You got it. We got to see if that will happen,
Speaker 2: all right, But like we like to say, how much
Speaker 2: would you pay now for the GINSU State Knives nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five twenty nine ninety five? My lord Rayfield, there's
Speaker 2: still more and I think you I won't speak for you,
Speaker 2: but you've spoken two or three times about how excited
Speaker 2: and intrigued you are by this next one. Is this
Speaker 2: may be your favorite fight that's not the main event.
Speaker 2: Virgil Orti here and madram Off for the interim WBC
Speaker 2: Junior middleweight title. What about that fight that is best
Speaker 2: down on this card? But it's still intriguing.
Speaker 1: No, it's a really good fight. I like this fight
Speaker 1: a lot. I didn't rank it number two behind the
Speaker 1: main event. I mean I actually have a piece on
Speaker 1: my substack prior to the postponement or cancelation if you will,
Speaker 1: of Parker and Dui. That was actually my second favorite
Speaker 1: fight on the show. But I act and go read
Speaker 1: that where I rank all seven fights and give sort
Speaker 1: of my take on it. But in terms of a
Speaker 1: virgual artis imagium off, there's nothing not to like about this.
Speaker 1: Two prime guys, two guys that are good punchers, two
Speaker 1: guys that can box, but also can definitely stand in
Speaker 1: there and fight. You know. Virginal Artis went the distance
Speaker 1: for the first time in his career back in the summer,
Speaker 1: coming off one of the Fight of the Year contenders
Speaker 1: when he had that incredible brawl against Sara Boachuk. He
Speaker 1: got off the deck two times, ended up winning a
Speaker 1: winning a majority decision. He ended up because of the decision,
Speaker 1: he won the interim WBC one hundred and fifty four
Speaker 1: pounds title from Boachuk. Now, remember Boachuk and Majimov were
Speaker 1: supposed to fight each other on the Fury and Usk undercart,
Speaker 1: and then when that fight was made soon after it
Speaker 1: was Magimov also signing to fight virgial Artis, and you
Speaker 1: and I both and not just us, but basically everybody
Speaker 1: with the brain was like, very no way, He's fighting
Speaker 1: Boachuk and what everybody figures is a tough fight on
Speaker 1: December twenty first, and then going to be back in
Speaker 1: the ring on February twenty second against Virgil Ortiz. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, whether by a design or it was legit,
Speaker 1: whatever the case, may be they pulled him. Bat claimed
Speaker 1: the had bronchitis and he couldn't go through, so he
Speaker 1: did not fight in December, and Boachuk fought and defeated
Speaker 1: another opponent, and the Ortiz fight is now happening, and
Speaker 1: Majmov is in a bigger profile fight, and Majamov is
Speaker 1: coming off not as exciting of a fight as what
Speaker 1: Virgil Ortiz had done against a good opponent. But he
Speaker 1: also lost his world title. But he gave Terrence Crawford,
Speaker 1: arguably TJ the toughest fight that Crawford has had in
Speaker 1: his career. That was the main event when they did
Speaker 1: the read season. Folks put on the event in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles back in August. He gave Crawford all he could handle.
Speaker 1: Is a really close fight. I mean, it wasn't a
Speaker 1: great fight, but it was a very competitive and I
Speaker 1: can understand why there were supporters Imaginemub that thought maybe
Speaker 1: he just did enough to win the fight. So he
Speaker 1: comes off the loss, but by the loss, he raised
Speaker 1: his stock because you know, he gave one of the
Speaker 1: best fighters in boxing such a really tough and good fight.
Speaker 1: And Ortiz, you know, we know what he's about, so
Speaker 1: I think this fight style wise, stakes wise, where they
Speaker 1: are in their careers, they're you know what they've brought
Speaker 1: to the table in their last couple of bouts, Like
Speaker 1: this is like a can't miss kind of fight.
Speaker 2: I love this matchup all right, so we're looking forward
Speaker 2: to that one at one hundred and fifty four pounds.
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Speaker 1: The price on this pay per view? I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to like be a salesman, but I'm just being real.
Speaker 1: We see so many pay per views fifty sixty, sixty five,
Speaker 1: seventy seventy five, eighty eighty five dollars for some of
Speaker 1: these events. And you know, you buy them if you
Speaker 1: want whatever. That's cool, and I buy them all, no problem.
Speaker 1: But here's the point, though, for this magnitude of a show,
Speaker 1: for the amount of great fights that are on it,
Speaker 1: they have a price point. You have to go back
Speaker 1: basically to the advent of pay perview in like the
Speaker 1: nineteen nineties to find something this cheap, especially with this quality.
Speaker 1: You know what the price in at least in the
Speaker 1: United States, and anyway, the suggested price for this event
Speaker 1: is twenty five ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: That is cheap that if you're if you are, if
Speaker 1: you are going to steal it for that cheap, then
Speaker 1: you should go fuck yourself. Like I don't steal pay
Speaker 1: per view, but I get even though I don't approve
Speaker 1: and I don't dig it, if it's an eighty dollars
Speaker 1: pay per view, you're maybe stealing the signal, Like I
Speaker 1: kind of get it because that to me sometimes is
Speaker 1: a little bit too much what it should be at
Speaker 1: twenty six dollars, be spending that on like a you know,
Speaker 1: a pizza and a case of beer or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, and keep in mind the Turkey al Chic has
Speaker 2: done this before with a couple of the previous pay
Speaker 2: per views last year in saying, I believe it was
Speaker 2: the Joshua Dubois pay per view in September that especially
Speaker 2: for the American audience, we're not going to make this
Speaker 2: fifty nine ninety ninety nine because people aren't going to
Speaker 2: buy it in the United States in the middle of
Speaker 2: the afternoon.
Speaker 1: For so it's what I don't want to think on
Speaker 1: their part by doing it at twenty six dollars, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're making up for it in volume. It's
Speaker 1: not because the card's not good, it's great. I just
Speaker 1: think that American audiences are not used to purchasing a
Speaker 1: pay per view that starts like the pre shows at
Speaker 1: like ten thirty in the morning. The main event, you know,
Speaker 1: the first fight's like eleven am. Main event probably around
Speaker 1: you know, six o'clock or thereabouts. It's a long day
Speaker 1: of fights. But the point is, if you are interested
Speaker 1: in boxing, if you are a fan, you can't possibly
Speaker 1: go wrong at twenty six dollars. And just again, I
Speaker 1: wish they were paying me extra to say that. But
Speaker 1: I'm just being real and leave me. If it was
Speaker 1: a shitty card and it was, we would over price.
Speaker 2: We would say it, and we do say it. We
Speaker 2: have said why. I mean, you can definitely question why
Speaker 2: was Benavite's morell an eighty dollars pay per view? I
Speaker 2: mean that that, I mean compared to this, Are you
Speaker 2: kidding me?
Speaker 1: But what you're getting for.
Speaker 2: The money, what you're getting for the money.
Speaker 1: The eighty dollars Benavide' is morel pay per view based
Speaker 1: on Benevite's name, based on the level of promotion that
Speaker 1: PBC did in America comp air to what the Saudis do,
Speaker 1: which is next to zero, and you combine it with
Speaker 1: the normal start time that we're used to here in
Speaker 1: North America, and even at eighty dollars the Benavidia's pay
Speaker 1: per view, I guarantee you probably gonna probably did I note, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what the number is yet from the
Speaker 1: fight on Saturday, but I can guarantee you when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, Benavidie's morrel will have done way
Speaker 1: more in terms of buys than.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not suggesting which one's gonna get
Speaker 2: purchased more. I'm just saying for the boxing fan, you
Speaker 2: get fatigued in the wallet and the economy is the
Speaker 2: economy when you keep hearing eighty dollars eighty four dollars.
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Speaker 2: Crawford in the main event? I believe it was like
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Speaker 2: getting to Lamont roach and just a Rayphiel again. You're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to recap all of this, uh.
Speaker 2: I don't think any in one podeline with all that
Speaker 2: we have. All right, So we mentioned Jang and Caba Yell,
Speaker 2: all right, So I'm intrigued with Cabby Yell against a
Speaker 2: Jang that obviously pulverized Joe Joyce and demolished Deontay Wilder. Yes,
Speaker 2: Joseph Parker beat him. Give me a little more on
Speaker 2: the intrigue here, Jang Older, Bigger, South, Paul, give me
Speaker 2: a little more on this. And it's a huge moment
Speaker 2: for Cabby Yell to take it, to take the step
Speaker 2: against a reputable fighter.
Speaker 1: Well big Bang. His whole career can be encapsulated in
Speaker 1: his last what five fights, since he really stepped up,
Speaker 1: because for most of his career he fought nothing but
Speaker 1: drek and there was a lot of potential And I
Speaker 1: remember talking to different people involved with his career telling
Speaker 1: me how great the guy was, and my response was, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: is he going to fight somebody that's got to, you know,
Speaker 1: takes a breath or just going to keep fighting one
Speaker 1: corpse after the other. So in twenty twenty two, he
Speaker 1: fought Phillip Pergovic, who was undefeated on the rise, and
Speaker 1: he lost the unanimous decision, but he did score a
Speaker 1: knockdown in that fight against Hergovic, and it was a
Speaker 1: very close fight and it was competitive. A lot of
Speaker 1: people thought that Jang may have won, so okay, fine.
Speaker 1: Now he comes back after that, and even if you
Speaker 1: thought he lost and you're sort of not so sure,
Speaker 1: what is all about. Remember at that time, Joe Joyce
Speaker 1: was undefeated, was red hot pop contender, known for an
Speaker 1: iron chin, known for a great power, his huge size,
Speaker 1: his amateur background. And what happened. Joe Joyce knocked him
Speaker 1: out not once but twice, and did so in fairly
Speaker 1: dominating fashion. Took him out in the sixth round in
Speaker 1: the first fight, knocked him out in the third round
Speaker 1: in the second fight. That was his two fights in
Speaker 1: the calendar year twenty twenty three. So with those two victories,
Speaker 1: now he's on top of the world. Basically, you know,
Speaker 1: very highly regarded guy, and he's got big things in
Speaker 1: front of me. He had won the WBO's interim title
Speaker 1: in the first fight against Joe Joyce, and then he
Speaker 1: took a very close majority decision loss to Parker that
Speaker 1: cast him that intern belt. But if there was a
Speaker 1: silver lining, he scored two knockdowns against Joseph Parker, he
Speaker 1: still lost the decision, and it was that kind of
Speaker 1: fight where you could see Joe Parker getting off the
Speaker 1: floor two times but still doing enough in the other
Speaker 1: rounds to win the decision. And then he came back
Speaker 1: off that loss and as you mentioned, pulverized in his
Speaker 1: spectacular knockout and basically finished off Deontay Wilder spectacularly. That
Speaker 1: was last June in the fifth round, and so this
Speaker 1: will be his first fight since. Now Cabiel is undefeated,
Speaker 1: your boy from Germany twenty five and oh was seventeen knockouts,
Speaker 1: and he's a guy that has really made a career
Speaker 1: in Riad thanks to read season cards, because his last
Speaker 1: two fights have been the so called big fights he's had.
Speaker 1: Before that, he was kind of doing his thing on
Speaker 1: the smaller cards in Germany and winning, but not against
Speaker 1: big names. And when he got the opportunity in Riat
Speaker 1: in December of twenty twenty three, that was the day
Speaker 1: of reck card, he knocked out then highly regarded favored
Speaker 1: Arslan Beck Machmandov. Now Mackmandov has proven that he's not
Speaker 1: that much since, but no one had ever done it
Speaker 1: to him, and it was Agi Cabiol that took him
Speaker 1: out in four rounds, very impressively, knocked him down three times,
Speaker 1: took away his undefeated record, and that made people open
Speaker 1: their eyes. Now he came back in May of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four in his second fight in Riad against another
Speaker 1: undefeated fighter. But this guy a more legitimate than macmdou
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, A very good technical boxer
Speaker 1: who could also punch big man Frank Sanchez, Cuban that
Speaker 1: had also been winning his fights and sometimes frustrating his
Speaker 1: opponents because he wasn't maybe the most exciting, but a
Speaker 1: very very skillful boxer, but also with good power and agi.
Speaker 1: Cabill never waivered, took the fight with no problem, knocked
Speaker 1: him down twice in the seventh round, and stopped him
Speaker 1: in the seventh round. That was a very big win
Speaker 1: for Cabrio and now he goes in this fight with
Speaker 1: the Zilly Zang would be his biggest win so far.
Speaker 1: Whatever you think about Macmadu Vin Sanchez, I still think
Speaker 1: a win even at this point. Again, Jang is a
Speaker 1: bigger deal than those two fights. But that's a very
Speaker 1: intriguing fight. You got Jang, a big guy, six foot six,
Speaker 1: south pop, big bang with the big left hand and
Speaker 1: uh and you know, and Cabiell is a much smaller guy.
Speaker 1: He's not six foot six, he's like three four inches shorter.
Speaker 1: He'll probably be outweighed, you know, by a good thirty
Speaker 1: pounds maybe more. You know, Jang was like two eighty ish,
Speaker 1: Cabiel goes around two forty five. Good matchup. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know why it's the case. For
Speaker 1: whatever it's worth, they are fighting for the interim WBC title.
Speaker 1: It's not necessary the champion Azusik, he just fought in December.
Speaker 1: But that's the WBC doing their thing. But put that aside.
Speaker 1: This fight and the winner is going to be in
Speaker 1: a great position within this weight class.
Speaker 2: And and again Kydie Yelle has been a name that's
Speaker 2: been mentioned a couple of times as a possible opponent
Speaker 2: for Tyson Fury and for others. Big stage for him
Speaker 2: here again, I one more and then I promise we're
Speaker 2: getting to Lamont Roach getting ready to challenge Tank Day
Speaker 2: and the Dan conversation with him. And that's Joshua Buazzi
Speaker 2: and Callum Smith WBO interim light heavyweight title fight. Again,
Speaker 2: the Brits care probably more than we do about this.
Speaker 2: But in terms of the light heavyweights and the fact
Speaker 2: that better BV and b BOL is now you know,
Speaker 2: the full law and undisputed main event this has some
Speaker 2: intrigue at the light heavyweight level obviously.
Speaker 1: I mean the winner is going to be the WBILL
Speaker 1: mandatory for the winner of the main event, whether they
Speaker 1: get that fight in the near future, or they have
Speaker 1: the weight, or maybe it gets vacated, who knows, but
Speaker 1: they're going to be in that position or be elevated
Speaker 1: eventually if in fact the WBO title is vacated. But
Speaker 1: in the UK, Josh Bazzi against Collen Smith would be
Speaker 1: the main event any day of the week. There's not
Speaker 1: even a shadow of a doubt. And unless they change
Speaker 1: the order at the moment, this is the opening title
Speaker 1: fight of these seven title fights on the cart. There's
Speaker 1: a couple of prospect fights beforehand, but in terms of
Speaker 1: the main twelve rounders.
Speaker 2: In America, if you're having brunch, bacon, eggs and buwatzi,
Speaker 2: Callum Smith, Yes.
Speaker 1: So this is this is a good fight. I mean,
Speaker 1: is an Olympian, he's nineteen and o, he's thirteen knockouts.
Speaker 1: He's kind of coming into his own. He's been on
Speaker 1: a nice run. He's sally getting a little more active
Speaker 1: than he had been. He's coming off of a split decision.
Speaker 1: But a good fun fight against Philly Hutchinson. That was
Speaker 1: a fight that I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: thought could have been a toss up. That was back
Speaker 1: in September. Before that, he had a great brawl that
Speaker 1: he won against his good friend Dan Aziz that was,
Speaker 1: you know, a big deal in the UK. Was for
Speaker 1: the British and the Commonwealth title, and you know, and
Speaker 1: he's also defeated guys like Krek Richards, who has been
Speaker 1: a you know, a good contender for a long time.
Speaker 1: And now he's taken on Callen Smith, who I still
Speaker 1: would say his best opponent so far. Callum is a
Speaker 1: reputable guy. I mean, the guy's thirty and two. He's
Speaker 1: got two losses. One was a decision to Canelo Alvarez
Speaker 1: in a super middleweight for two belts at super middleweight,
Speaker 1: and the other loss was when he got knocked out
Speaker 1: by Arthur Better BF back end January of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: But other than beevil, who doesn't get knocked out? When
Speaker 1: they faced Arthur Better VIV he had moved up from
Speaker 1: super middleweight, he had won a couple of fights. He
Speaker 1: was Arthur's mandatory. They did that fight, Arthur traveled to
Speaker 1: Quebec City or rather coun Smith traveled to Quebec City,
Speaker 1: which is you know, in the province of Quebec, which
Speaker 1: is where better BM is now based and has lived
Speaker 1: and trained his entire pro career. So he was the
Speaker 1: big favorite. But cown Smith was fearless in that fight,
Speaker 1: you know, despite getting knocked out in losing, It's not
Speaker 1: like he fought a bad fight, like he was hanging
Speaker 1: in the fight, even though he didn't win rounds. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a completely one sided devastation until the
Speaker 1: very end, obviously. So I still think that he's a
Speaker 1: pretty good fighter. I don't know how much he's got left,
Speaker 1: but Biwatzi's never fought anybody like him. He has won
Speaker 1: one fight since then, scored a knockout on an undercard,
Speaker 1: you know, against just a like a kind of get
Speaker 1: well type opponent. But this is an intriguing matchup. I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a this is definitely a fight
Speaker 1: that most people are overlooking because you know, look, Glatzi
Speaker 1: and Smith, Neither one of them are these huge personalities,
Speaker 1: neither one of them has like a scintillating style. They're
Speaker 1: just really good pros. They do their thing. They can
Speaker 1: compete at the championship level, and it's the opener of
Speaker 1: these seven world title fights, but in some ways it's
Speaker 1: one of the most meaningful fights because of the fact
Speaker 1: that the winner is in position to challenge the main
Speaker 1: event winner at some point.
Speaker 2: Okay, so there we go on the preview part of this.
Speaker 2: Shall we segue to next weekend and March first and
Speaker 2: probably fights at that as long as to look at
Speaker 2: your phone real quick. I'm being serious. You don't have
Speaker 2: an alert that any other of the fighters' names have changed,
Speaker 2: and we don't have a replacement fighter.
Speaker 1: Good. I think we're good.
Speaker 2: Can we go to bed on Thursday night believing that
Speaker 2: we're good at least until Friday morning? Stay tuned. So
Speaker 2: now we move forward to Lamont Roach and Tank Davis.
Speaker 2: This is coming next weekend, March first, Brooklyn, New York.
Speaker 2: You don't have to wait for fight week as Roach
Speaker 2: gets ready to battle Tank Davis and the PBC Prime
Speaker 2: pay per view. Here we go again with the pay
Speaker 2: per views here from Lamont Roach right now, including about
Speaker 2: the regional rivalry with Davis and this big opportunity has
Speaker 2: hear from him right now?
Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to be joined on our podcast.
Speaker 1: This week by the WBA Junior Lightweight Champ of the World,
Speaker 1: Lamont Road Junior. But Lamont, you have a big fight
Speaker 1: coming up. You're not gonna be fighting in the junior
Speaker 1: lightweight division. You are moving up to lightweight to challenge
Speaker 1: the wo WBA champion in the lightweight division, Jervanta Tank Davis,
Speaker 1: in a pay per view fight from PBC on Prime
Speaker 1: Video also PPV dot Com, will take place on March
Speaker 1: first at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, New York. And
Speaker 1: welcome you to the show. And I'm good to talk
Speaker 1: to you. What I'd like to know I from your
Speaker 1: first Lamon is you know this fight's sort of been
Speaker 1: There was a lot of rumors maybe what happened, maybe
Speaker 1: it wouldn't. You were a name that was always sort
Speaker 1: of like at the top of the Tank list of
Speaker 1: what might be coming up for him. So could you
Speaker 1: just recount to me what your initial thoughts were when
Speaker 1: you actually got offered the fighting. Knew this was a possibility, so.
Speaker 3: When we actually as soon as we got the call,
Speaker 3: it was like, hell, yeah, honestly, that's about it.
Speaker 4: Like Ruhig is in the car, I think it was
Speaker 4: me and my dad's in the car on the.
Speaker 3: Way to the airport go back home, and it was
Speaker 3: like he was just like, you know, changs changes called
Speaker 3: and he was like, we wanted to fight, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've never been a guy that's been turning
Speaker 1: down fight. So that's something I know from having covered
Speaker 1: your whole career. If you go back to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: amount you had a chance to fight Jamelle Herring back
Speaker 1: then for the WBO Junior Light White title, your first
Speaker 1: opportunity or you know, a big prospect. You were undefeated.
Speaker 1: I believe you were the mandatory challenger at that time
Speaker 1: for his title, and you know you gave a good fight,
Speaker 1: but you know, it came up a little bit short,
Speaker 1: loss the decision, and I just wondered, you know, it
Speaker 1: took you a little while to get back to the
Speaker 1: position to fight for another world title. What do you
Speaker 1: feel like you learned from that first loss? You know,
Speaker 1: despite it being competitive, uh, the fact that they.
Speaker 3: Aren't going to give me anything, like like you said,
Speaker 3: it was it was a good fight, It was a
Speaker 3: good effort, but it just wasn't enough. I know, going
Speaker 3: into things, especially as an underdog things, I'm gonna you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying going to be that they're probably
Speaker 3: going to be stacked against me, so I just have
Speaker 3: to I just had to take matters into my own
Speaker 3: hands and make sure that I give no doubt that
Speaker 3: I should win, you know, the rest of my bouts
Speaker 3: going on throughout my career.
Speaker 1: Well you have done that because you have won six
Speaker 1: fights in a row since that particular fight, and in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, November of twenty twenty three, you got
Speaker 1: the chance to fight for a title again against Hector
Speaker 1: Luis Garcia in Las Vegas, and you outpointed him in
Speaker 1: a close fight. You won the WBA title, and I wondered, Actually,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know guys who you know, they
Speaker 1: they don't get anything. Like you said, nothing handed to Lamont. Roach,
Speaker 1: took your time, prospect you know, into main event fights eventually,
Speaker 1: you know, really worked your way to get that opportunity.
Speaker 1: Nearly ten years as a professional, from the time you started.
Speaker 1: Tell WinGen you won the title. What did it feel
Speaker 1: like to finally get it and know that all that
Speaker 1: hard work, all that you know, that decade of preparing
Speaker 1: for that moment, what did that mean to you?
Speaker 3: I mean everything to me, just like you said it
Speaker 3: was a whole bunch of hard work, a lot of sacrifice,
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of faith and just trusting myself,
Speaker 3: trusting my team and knowing that we'll be will be
Speaker 3: exactly where we were supposed to be.
Speaker 1: You got a chance in June of last year, June
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, to defend the title for the
Speaker 1: first time. I know you had spoke about what it
Speaker 1: would mean to you to have a homecoming fight, to
Speaker 1: have a world championship fight in Washington, d C. Where
Speaker 1: you know where you're from originally, and you made that
Speaker 1: dream come true. You had a very good performance, a
Speaker 1: knockout victory against the undefeated Fergla McCrory in front of
Speaker 1: your fans in the district, had a good crowd there.
Speaker 1: Knocked out in the eighth round, pretty dominating victory. And
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, I hear from people they talk
Speaker 1: about making the dream come true. I talked recently with
Speaker 1: Keishawn Davis about him and his brothers wanting to have
Speaker 1: a homecoming fight and that was a dream for them.
Speaker 1: They finally got to accomplish that, And I asked him
Speaker 1: this question. I'm curious your response to it as well.
Speaker 1: How did the reality of having the title fight at
Speaker 1: home compared to the dream for all those years you had.
Speaker 4: I think it matched up to me. It matched up.
Speaker 3: It was something that I wanted to do, not only
Speaker 3: for myself, but for everyone that's been fogging me since
Speaker 3: I started my family, stretching my close family that that
Speaker 3: aren't able to make it out to La Vegas, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, all.
Speaker 4: The other states that.
Speaker 3: I fought in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4: Mexico, like out of the country and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So it was it was very satisfying for me. It
Speaker 3: was honestly just a dream come true. And you know,
Speaker 3: getting a dance in front of my home crowd is
Speaker 3: It's just it.
Speaker 4: Was just fun.
Speaker 1: It was a crazy atmosphere, I mean, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: But the fight with you and Gervonte was discussed for
Speaker 1: maybe being you know, at the end of last year,
Speaker 1: that fight you just mentioned that you defended the title
Speaker 1: was in June. It didn't happen. There was you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really there was issues over the venue. It
Speaker 1: was gonna be in Houston, a lot of conversations. Ultimately
Speaker 1: it did not happen, rescheduled, and now it's taking place
Speaker 1: on March first, As I mentioned, was there any kind
Speaker 1: of frustration of only having the one fight last year
Speaker 1: and kind of having to put this off and waiting
Speaker 1: and waiting and waiting to get it all locked in?
Speaker 3: Uh, just just a little bit, yeah, honestly, because it's
Speaker 3: not like I'm signed the PBC or obviously not signed
Speaker 3: the GTD either, So you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: it's not like I'm I'm.
Speaker 4: In the loop as soon as every decision is made.
Speaker 4: So it is a little.
Speaker 3: Frustrating, But at the end of.
Speaker 4: The day, it is what it is. It's boxing, man.
Speaker 3: You never know what you're going to get, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just you just stay on board for the ride
Speaker 3: for real.
Speaker 4: For real.
Speaker 3: I was always ready, no matter the case, no matter
Speaker 3: whatever was going on with the venue. Honestly, I just
Speaker 3: think he wasn't ready. I think they, you know, scheduled
Speaker 3: it for when they think he'll be prepared for the match,
Speaker 3: and you know, so we was just fine tuning that
Speaker 3: all the way up until it was Tyn of Rock
Speaker 3: and Road.
Speaker 1: One of the things a lot of folks have talked
Speaker 1: about that is a certainly part of the storyline, if
Speaker 1: you will of the fight between yourself and Tank is
Speaker 1: that you fought as amateurs. You knew each other from
Speaker 1: those days. You're about the same age, you know, separated,
Speaker 1: but you're you're actually younger than him. You're twenty nine,
Speaker 1: he is thirty. Can you give me your side of
Speaker 1: the story, so to say, about the memories of what
Speaker 1: occurred in the amateurs? How many times did you fight?
Speaker 1: What happened and how do you remember those times?
Speaker 3: We thought twice they were very close, competitive fights. And
Speaker 3: you know, the storyline that attests to how close they
Speaker 3: were is the fact that we fought in the same
Speaker 3: tournament before twice in the same tournament. You know that
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. We fought in the regional championship and I
Speaker 3: lost in Baltimore, and we sent the tape to USA
Speaker 3: Boxing and they sent me an at large bid because
Speaker 3: they was like, it was a little this this this
Speaker 3: outcome is a little iffy, so to say.
Speaker 4: So they sent me to the nationals.
Speaker 3: As well with an at large bid and I was
Speaker 3: on the other side of the bracket.
Speaker 4: He was on the other side of the bracket. We
Speaker 4: met up in the championship and he beat me in
Speaker 4: a close fight. So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 4: I think I want a second fight. I think the
Speaker 4: second fight I did better than the first fight. So
Speaker 4: it is what it is. And we do got the
Speaker 4: tape too.
Speaker 3: I think we're probably the only we're probably the only
Speaker 3: people who do have a tape only put it on
Speaker 3: YouTube or something.
Speaker 1: I got a while. I'd love to watch that if
Speaker 1: you did. What year was that, Alamont? What year do
Speaker 1: you remember? So do you think? I mean, like you said,
Speaker 1: if they whatever, whether you lost or not, you you
Speaker 1: believe that they were close and competitive. I guess to
Speaker 1: the extent that even USA boxing, you know, basically puts
Speaker 1: you in to uh be on the road to a
Speaker 1: possible rematch. And I've asked this the fighters when they
Speaker 1: fought in amateur fights and then they meet up as professionals.
Speaker 1: Some say it does, some say it doesn't. Do you
Speaker 1: think there's any bearing at all because you have at
Speaker 1: least a cursory knowledge of having been in the ring
Speaker 1: with him. Yes you've evolved, Yes it's a while ago,
Speaker 1: but you know you've been face to face with them
Speaker 1: inside the boxing ring. That doesn't mean anything is to
Speaker 1: go into the professional fight.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Hmmm, maybe not honestly if we honestly speaking, because
Speaker 3: I'm a totally different fighter.
Speaker 4: Uh, I think he might be.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But when it comes down to like because it's personal,
Speaker 3: Like the fight itself is not personal. When I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the familiar, the familiarity with him is personal. Like
Speaker 3: I know him fairly better than a lot of I mean,
Speaker 3: damn there everybody he probably fought, so, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we actually have history, like outside of our fights.
Speaker 4: You know, we sparred a few times.
Speaker 3: I know, I just know how he operates from from
Speaker 3: what I know from from the encounters we have. You know,
Speaker 3: we've been in We've been in the same spaces since
Speaker 3: we were about ten, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's a long time. And my dad coached him on.
Speaker 3: The on the National Golden Gloves team to a to
Speaker 3: a national title, uh, to win the National Golden Gloves.
Speaker 4: So it's just it's it's it's a lot of factors there.
Speaker 1: I do get to feel out, I do you think
Speaker 1: the feeling there's a lot. You know, you guys may
Speaker 1: not be best friends, but like you said, you're familiar
Speaker 1: that there's definitely a healthy respect for peing you guys.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. It's definitely healthy. Respect cool, Like you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying outside of the outside of the boxing,
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying outside of the boxing
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 4: Ek me I'm cool.
Speaker 3: I mean like, if you ask him, he'll be He'll
Speaker 3: tell you that we folks like people.
Speaker 4: So it's cool, all right.
Speaker 1: I got to ask this though. You know you are
Speaker 1: from Washington, d C. You had a great crowd at
Speaker 1: your fight in June. He's from Baltimore, that's, you know,
Speaker 1: just up the road I'm in. I live in that area,
Speaker 1: so I know the rivalry. Uh you know that. So
Speaker 1: it felt like this is a DMV fight Capitol One Arena.
Speaker 1: He had a huge gate there when he fought the
Speaker 1: guy you beat for the title in Hector Luis Garcia.
Speaker 1: You had a great crowd for years. DC would be
Speaker 1: absolutely going crazy Baltimore for this fight. So nothing against Brooklyn, York.
Speaker 1: Wonderful venue, great fight city obviously, Barclay Center, first class
Speaker 1: all the way, covered many many fights there. How in
Speaker 1: the world is this fight not in the DMV Washington
Speaker 1: d C.
Speaker 3: Tell me about it, I think So, you know, he's
Speaker 3: a superstar, so I'm pretty sure. Like I'm thinking they're
Speaker 3: thinking about how the crowd is normally for you know,
Speaker 3: pro Jamonte and the crowd in DC would definitely be
Speaker 3: at least fifty to fifty.
Speaker 4: And that's just at least so that might be a thing.
Speaker 4: Probably didn't want me.
Speaker 3: To have a home field advantage or what.
Speaker 4: Application may be. But we could have did it anywhere
Speaker 4: in the area. Honestly, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: did you want it in the area? I would have.
Speaker 3: Preferred it, Yeah, But to me, he man, we could
Speaker 3: fight in Africa for all I can.
Speaker 1: All right, so when you go into the ring, I mean,
Speaker 1: we all know Gervonte Davis is a tremendous puncher. Doesn't
Speaker 1: throw a lot of punches, but he's knocked out virtually
Speaker 1: everybody and he's just been a dominating figure. You are
Speaker 1: obviously more of a supreme boxer. You didn get a
Speaker 1: knockout of your last fight, though, so I wonder how
Speaker 1: do you plan to deal with that punching power?
Speaker 3: Should we bespawn bigger guys and uh we're gonnaspawn guys that.
Speaker 4: Are considered punchers.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it's a totally different story once you
Speaker 3: get in there than ay ounces and oh.
Speaker 4: But I've been punching him. I've been pushing the face.
Speaker 3: When I was Now you though, man, like you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like if his better think a little more,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, they might sting a little more.
Speaker 4: They're gonna sting a little more.
Speaker 3: But trust me, I like to think I got a chin,
Speaker 3: never been down an amateur or professional, never been hurt like
Speaker 3: to like to the chin or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: So it is what it is. Like we ready.
Speaker 3: Then the thing is, we're gonna see how he.
Speaker 4: Reacts when he gets hit by my my punches.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, if you've been getting hits into or not,
Speaker 1: I'll just say, better at you than me from that standpoint.
Speaker 1: And I looked over his record just as I was
Speaker 1: getting ready to talk to you, and I was sort
Speaker 1: of thinking to myself, Okay, he fought an older, sort
Speaker 1: of not near his best gamboa who was obviously a
Speaker 1: great boxer, electrifying talent and a gold medal winner in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, but he wasn't at his best if you
Speaker 1: take him out of the equation. I was looking and like,
Speaker 1: you're still a top press prime guy World champ. Uh.
Speaker 1: I feel like looking at that record that Lamar Roach junr.
Speaker 1: Is probably the best pure boxer he'll ever have faced
Speaker 1: so far in his professional career. What is your what
Speaker 1: is your take on that that maybe you've got the
Speaker 1: skills to really cause him some trouble with the boxing
Speaker 1: ability that you possess.
Speaker 3: That's a fact that everything you just said is definitely
Speaker 3: a fact.
Speaker 4: It's a fact for sure.
Speaker 3: And they know that though I think they're going to
Speaker 3: prepare they I think I know they're going to prepare
Speaker 3: for you know, what I have to bring to the table,
Speaker 3: Like they know that one hundred for a fact that
Speaker 3: I'm the best all around like boxer that he's going.
Speaker 4: To be in a ring with.
Speaker 1: When they talk about who they want to see a
Speaker 1: tank fight, I'll wrap up with this. Uh. They talk
Speaker 1: about wanting to see a tank against of course Stevenson
Speaker 1: a unification. They talk about a ta Fimo Lopez fight.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of conversation they tried to make
Speaker 1: recently a Lomachenko fight. He elected to take some time off. Uh.
Speaker 1: They don't mention Lamar Roach I've hurt people like kind
Speaker 1: of poo pooh, the fight, say, you know, not much.
Speaker 1: He's you know, they're upset about the fight. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why this is a really good boxer against a really
Speaker 1: good puncher. They got that rivalry from the home you know,
Speaker 1: from the home region, And so when they don't mention
Speaker 1: your name and they kind of overlook you and I'm
Speaker 1: not just kissing your rand because we're doing the interview,
Speaker 1: I kind of think it's unfair. But why do you
Speaker 1: think that that is that they look at those other
Speaker 1: names but they don't include Alamont Roach Junior in that
Speaker 1: conversation of like a worthy opponent for Tank Davis.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Mainly probably because I'm not known to a lot of
Speaker 3: casual fans and people who don't really know or are
Speaker 3: in tune with boxing and it's boxing it in its entirety,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, some people really just
Speaker 3: don't know, so that might be a factor. And like
Speaker 3: I said, he's a megas, he's a megastar as a superstar,
Speaker 3: and he has been knocking everybody out, so you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, so you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like there's pieces that go together that would make people
Speaker 3: say what they say about the fight or whatever the
Speaker 3: case may be. I'm not a worthy opponent, but for real, real,
Speaker 3: I got a lot of profanity for them.
Speaker 4: That's about it, all right.
Speaker 1: So then to the final question that what would a
Speaker 1: victory mean to you, not only a world title, but
Speaker 1: knocking off you know, like you said one of the
Speaker 1: biggest stars in boxing.
Speaker 4: That it's gonna it's gonna mean so much to me.
Speaker 3: But it's definitely gonna uh, it's definitely just gonna be this,
Speaker 3: that's gonna this is gonna be the start of my
Speaker 3: my legacy, brun you know, like you know how some
Speaker 3: people have a run like Roy Jones was champion and
Speaker 3: so many way claus for teen years. Pak yall moved
Speaker 3: up from one twelve all the way to fifty four
Speaker 3: to knock everybody. Like you know what I'm saying, a
Speaker 3: staple in it. This is my staple right here, because
Speaker 3: trust me, after this, I'm gonna go banana.
Speaker 4: Trust me.
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, that's big words. I'll look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing if you can back them up on March first
Speaker 1: at Barclayson and Brooklyn Lamont. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 4: I wish you the best luck in the fight, all right, No,
Speaker 4: doubt appreciate you.
Speaker 2: All right, again that fight coming next weekend for March
Speaker 2: one fight we coming up and again you got a
Speaker 2: chance to see him. I'm still can we just say this,
Speaker 2: I'm still puzzled how they couldn't make this happen at
Speaker 2: least in the region, the Baltimore Washington region, find a
Speaker 2: venue because that angle you kept talking about, that angle,
Speaker 2: the fact that it's in Brooklyn, New York. You could
Speaker 2: have put it in Las Vegas, you could put it
Speaker 2: on the Moon. It's not the same as the regional
Speaker 2: hatred there from Lamont and Broach in Tank Davis. That's
Speaker 2: me saying that go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's definitely not hatred between these
Speaker 1: two guys. There's a healthy competition, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: They did fight twice as amateurs, as you heard Lamont
Speaker 1: talk about. He did lose. What he said, we're two
Speaker 1: closest fights and the amateurs, but he competed these guys.
Speaker 1: They respect each other, I believe. I don't think there's hate. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're not enemies, but they're competitors. They both want to win. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I like I like Roach's confidence. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that he talked about how he's never been really badly
Speaker 1: hurt or knocked down or or or or you know
Speaker 1: it rocked in any particular way. As a pro, He's
Speaker 1: fought some good fighters. I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: dumped on the fight when it was made. I've never
Speaker 1: been one to think this was like a bad fight.
Speaker 1: You know, if you said to me, is it the
Speaker 1: number one fight that you wanted to see travant to
Speaker 1: Davis take part in? I would be less than honest
Speaker 1: if I said yes. But you know, I can't make
Speaker 1: him fight certain guys. But if you're going for Lamont
Speaker 1: roach a regional arrival, a world champion in his own right,
Speaker 1: who's got the balls to do the fight against you,
Speaker 1: and he's not afraid to do so, and and he's
Speaker 1: a good boxer, you know, he's the best probably pure
Speaker 1: boxer that Tank Davis will have face if you take
Speaker 1: a look at Tank's resume, Like, I think it's an
Speaker 1: interesting matchup. Uh, And I hope it's a good fight.
Speaker 2: Let's hope. So we'll talk more about it next week,
Speaker 2: shall we rap with some nostalgia? And Uh, I always
Speaker 2: when this comes around, I always look forward to talking
Speaker 2: about just how massive the crowd was It was thirty
Speaker 2: two years ago today, Dan Rayfield February twentieth, nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: three that Julio Cesar, Chavez and Greg Haggins set the
Speaker 2: all time outdoor record for the biggest.
Speaker 1: Boxing outdoor or indoor.
Speaker 2: Yes, from one hundred and well indoor obviously, Rayfaeld, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: the biggest one hundred and thirty two thousand people, and
Speaker 2: as Texas died, I'm still blown away, even with seats
Speaker 2: on the soccer pitch, on the soccer how did they
Speaker 2: fit one hundred and thirty two thousand in Well, they
Speaker 2: did last two hundred and forty seven one thirty Did
Speaker 2: you do the official Ticke account? One thirty two to
Speaker 2: forty seven, one hundred and thirty two thousand, two hundred
Speaker 2: and forty seven people as Texas Stadium, Mexico City, people
Speaker 2: on top of people, on top of people, and Chavez
Speaker 2: beat the crap out of Greg Hagins. You did a
Speaker 2: whole whole lot of crap talking, a whole lot of
Speaker 2: baiting and boasting about what he was going to do,
Speaker 2: and Chavez brutally beat him up.
Speaker 1: He made the mistake of saying that Java is that
Speaker 1: all he had done was fight you want.
Speaker 2: To cab drivers?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Java showed him that he was in that
Speaker 1: same level. By the way, it's an outdoor stadium that's gigantic,
Speaker 1: and when you put him on the field, you can
Speaker 1: get even that much more people on it. It was
Speaker 1: a spectacle of spectacles.
Speaker 2: You have to remember me comprehend aren't They just fought
Speaker 2: in the Louisian I mean, I'm sorry, they just had
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl in Louisiana. Super Dome right all right?
Speaker 2: That building, because I've been in there so many different times,
Speaker 2: has about seventy five thousand seats. Okay, So for the
Speaker 2: Ali Speinks fight, they had somewhere in the neighborhood of
Speaker 2: what sixty sixty five thousand putting seats. I can't fathom
Speaker 2: fifty thousand more people in that super Dome, That's what
Speaker 2: well I can put it like, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The biggest I've ever been in yes sports event ever.
Speaker 1: I was at Wembley Stadium in twenty seventeen when Vladimir
Speaker 1: Klitschko fought Anthony Joshua, right, and the attendance for that
Speaker 1: fight was, like I think it was. They they got
Speaker 1: it up to the maximum that the that London City
Speaker 1: officials would allow. I believe it was eighty thousand. Now
Speaker 1: later they actually expanded it. They gave them a variance
Speaker 1: for one of the Tyson Fury fights and they got like, what.
Speaker 2: The dun fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't ninety it was still in the eighties,
Speaker 1: I believe. But the point is that and I just
Speaker 1: picturing like being in Wembley, if you stuck in lut
Speaker 1: of thirty thousand, you might not realize.
Speaker 2: Where would you put them? Exactly where would you put another.
Speaker 1: That many people as Texas Stadium is not a technological
Speaker 1: you know, facility, so if you're watching there, aren't like
Speaker 1: if you're in Cowboys Stadium, for example, where I've covered
Speaker 1: many fights. No matter if you're in the last row,
Speaker 1: you can still have an amazing view because you got
Speaker 1: the gigantic you know, HD screens that are look like
Speaker 1: they're sitting on your lap. In Mexico City, you're looking
Speaker 1: at like little ants like you can't really see.
Speaker 2: But certain technology nineteen ninety three technology, you did not
Speaker 2: have video boards all that you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Well not that big anyway, even had a video board,
Speaker 1: not certainly, not like Cowboys stadium, which is indoors, so
Speaker 1: they can have it hanging from the roof. There's no
Speaker 1: roof on As Texas Stadium. But I'm making the point
Speaker 1: here that Chavez was a legendary figure at this point
Speaker 1: when he's fighting Greg Hagan, he's defending the WBC's junior
Speaker 1: welterweight title. He is right in his prime. This is
Speaker 1: the dead prime. This actually may have been his most
Speaker 1: prime fight of his entire career against Greg Hougan. This
Speaker 1: is still three fights before he fights Whitaker, when it
Speaker 1: was number one versus number two for pound for pound supremacy,
Speaker 1: but he had been This is like about ten or
Speaker 1: so fights removed from his amazing victory against Meldrek Taylor.
Speaker 1: He is in his fucking prime. Ye the great Chavez
Speaker 1: at his greatest, and he absolutely destroyed and pummeled Greg Hougan,
Speaker 1: who you know, played the villain role absolutely beautifully in
Speaker 1: this fight. Made even even if you're you know, even
Speaker 1: he didn't like Chobbs, you probably wanted to see and
Speaker 1: beat the shed out of Greg Hougan by the time
Speaker 1: this fight actually took place. And he did that in
Speaker 1: five rounds and he just absolutely you know, he was
Speaker 1: up on all three score cards by a shutout, forty
Speaker 1: thirty five on two cards, forty thirty three on another
Speaker 1: one of the cards, and he had been knocked down
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, and when he got up, Chobb
Speaker 1: has just landed a barrage of shots and the referee
Speaker 1: finally stopped the fight. I mean, he gave him just
Speaker 1: a vicious down home. What's the old saying from the
Speaker 1: great line in HBO's Legendary Knights series when they were
Speaker 1: doing the episode about Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis, it
Speaker 1: was about it was Tommy Brooks, who was a trainer
Speaker 1: had worked with Tyson saying that was such a that
Speaker 1: was such a beating. You know, even Grandma's lifestyle couldn't
Speaker 1: clean him up. I mean, that's the kind of beating
Speaker 1: that he gave to Greg Hougan that night.
Speaker 2: I do remember because it's Steve Albert, Bobby Chez and
Speaker 2: the fight doctor Ferdy Pacheco on the showtime call, and
Speaker 2: I think Chez is the one bringing it up. But
Speaker 2: they're bringing up he's torturing him right now. He could
Speaker 2: have maybe finished him off in the second or the
Speaker 2: third round, but he's torturing him in a fourth round
Speaker 2: and a fifth round vintage Chavez for sure. And I
Speaker 2: know we talked recently on the pod about him suffering
Speaker 2: the loss the following year to Frankie Randall. This is
Speaker 2: after the controversial draw with Pernell Whitaker as well, But
Speaker 2: on that night, in that setting, it's tough to argue
Speaker 2: about him being the greatest Mexican champion ever. And for now,
Speaker 2: for the I mean, I know the Canelo fans want
Speaker 2: to talk about Canelo in the present day, but good lord,
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty two thousand people and the man
Speaker 2: delivered and put the brutal beat down on the.
Speaker 1: American It's funny you say that he fights Hogen in
Speaker 1: February of ninety three while we're talking about on the anniversary.
Speaker 1: Then you mentioned the following year he had the upset
Speaker 1: loss to Frankie Randall. Do you know that between the
Speaker 1: Hagen fight and the Randall fight was the separated by
Speaker 1: eleven months, So if it was today, it might have
Speaker 1: been his next fight or two fights.
Speaker 2: Later, right, certainly a couple of fights.
Speaker 1: Right after he beat Hagen, he fought a non title
Speaker 1: fight against Silvio Rojas in Mexico. He defended the title
Speaker 1: against Terrence Ali, another great performance. Then he had the
Speaker 1: draw against Pearnel Whittaker. Then he came back in a
Speaker 1: non title fight in Mexico against Mike Powell. Then he
Speaker 1: had another pay per view main event against Andy Holligan
Speaker 1: in December of ninety three, and then he fought Frankie
Speaker 1: Randall in January. He fought in nineteen ninety three. He
Speaker 1: fought what one, two, three, four, five, one two, three, four,
Speaker 1: Six times he fought in January. And this is Chavez
Speaker 1: as such some prospect. He was like pound for pound
Speaker 1: number one, fighting six times and in the in in
Speaker 1: among those six fights, Hogan, Terrence Sali, Peonel Whittaker, Andy
Speaker 1: Holligan all like legit fights. Holligan was undefeated. Obviously, Parnel
Speaker 1: Whittaker was a mega fight, and Terrence Ali was a
Speaker 1: good contender. So it's it's just a different it's a
Speaker 1: different world from thirty years ago. Say, also, you know
Speaker 1: when we talk about the big Don King pay per
Speaker 1: views and a lot of there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: discussion those because what's going on with the Riot card,
Speaker 1: how stacked the loaded it is back in its day
Speaker 1: when when Chavez was with King and he was putting
Speaker 1: on these big fights with Chavez and also with Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: This was one of those cards that at the time
Speaker 1: was like a big card. They called it the Grand
Speaker 1: Slam of Boxing because besides a huge fight between Chavez
Speaker 1: and Hagan in the one hundred and thirty some thousand
Speaker 1: you know in attendance, they also had Terry Norris defending
Speaker 1: the WBC one hundred and fifty four pound title against
Speaker 1: Maurice Blocker, who had been a welterweight champion that was
Speaker 1: on this undercard. The Great a Zuma Nelson was fighting
Speaker 1: Gabriel Rouillis, which is another big deal fight in a
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty pound world title fight. And they
Speaker 1: also had Michael Nunn, who at the time was a
Speaker 1: super middleweight champion who was looked at as a potential
Speaker 1: heir apparent on the pound for PALMSS. He was on
Speaker 1: this card in the title defense, so that was considered
Speaker 1: a big, big pay per view back in those days.
Speaker 1: And King Giddo was on a regular basis, and obviously
Speaker 1: Chavez was the event.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: And by the way, one hundred thirty two thousand, two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty seven tickets I have one of those tickets,
Speaker 1: and I posted my picture but on Twitter earlier today.
Speaker 2: What what's the I'm just curious, what's the section and
Speaker 2: what's the row? And have you gone to Azteca Stadium
Speaker 2: to see how high up that's the seat was for
Speaker 2: a while, I would love that.
Speaker 1: I have been in Mexico on a number of occasions,
Speaker 1: including the cover boxing, but never in Mexico City. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at the picture right here, I'm in section A three,
Speaker 1: row eight seed thirty one.
Speaker 2: A three might imply its lower level, maybe even on
Speaker 2: the on the pitch.
Speaker 1: I don't know I was in the what's what's what's
Speaker 1: the word dorata in Mexico mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was in in the dorada zone? Whatever that means?
Speaker 2: What the dorata? I gotta I gotta look that up.
Speaker 2: The dorada in English. I'm just looking real quick. Is
Speaker 2: itch d u r A d A d o r
Speaker 2: e d a d o r. So this is why
Speaker 2: you gotta be careful with certain words and Spanish and
Speaker 2: the different means golden our Spanish friends, dorata is golden, golden.
Speaker 1: So I was in the zone. I was probably a
Speaker 1: good see I was in the gold zone.
Speaker 2: Look at that. All right, So you got the ticket,
Speaker 2: You've got that up on your substack.
Speaker 1: Man, I got on my tweet on your tweet.
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Speaker 1: Should be a big weekend, looking forward to it.
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