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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host?

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DJ Leaves? Well, well, well, we have reached the weekend

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of this massive we odd season pay per view card.

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But right now you can't tell the players without a scorecard.

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We're ready to try to help with that on the

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Big Fight Weekend preview. At least I think we know

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who all is fighting this weekend. Stand by as we

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do this. I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves.

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He is our insider. Dan Rayfield. We launched this and

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we love the podcast audience. We launched this every time

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we do this Thursday, usually in the evening Thursday night

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into Friday, and we're glad that you're with us. And

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I think I think we have everything solidified. But it's

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not Friday yet anyway, Dan Rayfield, to have you back.

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We've got ill fighters. Floyd Schofield is off the card

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because he's ill. Daniel du was off the card that

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he's because he's ill. Dan Rayfield's not off the podcast,

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even though you're a little bit out of the weather

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as well. Good to have you back. I know you're

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still fighting u illness yourself, but you're posting you posted

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here on the.

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Speaker 1: Pod hanging in there. Uh. I don't have to fight though,

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And uh, it's been Uh. I mean I've I've covered

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a lot of fallouts and a lot of late breaking

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cards that have changed at the last minute, but I

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can't say I've seen a card that was this loaded

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in the first place. Have two major players, you know,

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in World championship fights drop out, one a challenger won

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a title holder, and make switches on one on four

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days notice, one on three days notice. And you know,

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we'll get into all of it, but it's it's been crazy.

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I'll tell you what though, even if, even if, for

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the worst thing could have happened, and let's say both

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fights actually were hanseled because they couldn't come up with

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a replacement, and this, of course Stephenson fight was off

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the show completely, and the Dui and Parker fight was

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off the show completely. It would still be a hell

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of a pay per view. And they have managed, with

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a lot of elbow grease and for good fortune, et cetera,

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to be able to keep these two bouts on the

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event and still have a great show.

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Speaker 2: And by the way money talks, we know this and

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when you have money, you can make things happen, and

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they have been making it happen. All right. Speaking of

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making it happen, we make it happen here on the podfeed.

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We thank you the loyal audience. We preview going into

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the weekend, we recap coming off the weekend. The least

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you can do is rate us and reviews. Review us,

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follow follow along, give us the five star review. Those

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Speaker 1: A while.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. If you enjoy it. By the way, you've

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been killing it with the interviews. We put back up

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on the podcast feed the Dmitri Bevil interview earlier this

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week as he gets ready to fight better BV. In

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the rematch, we put up the Joseph Parker interview. Got

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a lot of great insight about fighting DUBI. Unfortunately none

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of that matters, but you'll hear from Parker on his mindset,

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the underdog thing, the whole bit. So that's on the

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Speaker 1: A good amount of that Joe Parker interview was not

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even related to particular the evolution of where he's been

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over the last year, the upsets, getting back in position,

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his new working relationship with Andy Lee and George Lockhart,

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is nutrition and strength coach. So a lot of good

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stuff from Joe and other than do.

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Speaker 2: What And by the way, if you appreciate this, Ray

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I might have said this, rate us and review us

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and say so if you enjoy the content and the

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coverage with what we do. All right, So let's get

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into the nuts and bolts. The chronology is that Floyd

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Schofield was sick earlier this week in Saudi Arabia, so

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pick it up from there, because there was some debate

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about whether he could fight or not. It turns out

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didn't get cleared, didn't want to try it while he's sick.

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Speaker 1: Flu that he didn't have a choice, DJ I understand.

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Speaker 2: I understand. But if this is no joke when you're

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talking about going into the ring to get ready to fight,

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if you're not healthy, if you're ill, they shouldn't let

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him fight. I'm with you. So take me, take me

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through that and how we ended up with the opponent

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first casualty this way.

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Speaker 1: All right, So putting aside all the nonsensical conspiracies by

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Floyd Scofield's lunatic father about how cha course teams set

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them up and rubbed cream on them because of messuse

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got involved, the complete idiocy.

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you know, in the season where this happens, coming down

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with an illness, whether it's a cold or it is

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the actual flu, or it's COVID or it's something else,

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is not entirely unusual. Bottom line is floyd' Scholfield would

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not have traveled thousands and thousands of miles away for

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a payday that is probably tenfold of what he's ever made,

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uh to fight for a world championship on a big

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cart and if fight that he has called for for

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a while and really really went to the mat to

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get it. Actually in a situation where the folks at

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Golden Boy, which are his promoter, did not want to

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do the fight, but he basically talked them into it.

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he was somehow afraid of the fight or something is

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just a fucking idiot. But besides that, so Tuesday night

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he falls ill. I don't know the exact situation some

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of sixers, and maybe it was a weight making scenario.

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Speaker 2: That he was not he was in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: The hospital.

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Speaker 2: He was in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: So once that happened and he is released, I guess

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he's doing okay. But here's the point though, Even if

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all that's the case, even if you still wanted to fight,

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and even if it was feeling better the end of

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the day, the regulators do their job. The British Boxing

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Board of Control regulates the fights in Saudi Arabia these

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reat season cards. The only exceptions have been the Uzik

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Fury fights, where they brought in another regulation outfit to

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do the main events because Zusig didn't want the Britts

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regulating a fight against the Brett understandable, but the British

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Boxing Board of Control was regulating this fight and they

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were like, no, you're out. That's it. They are the

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ones that pulled the plug on the fight. They had.

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Floyd Schofield had no choice even if he wanted to

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continue to go through with it, so he was out now.

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a mad dash to get a new opponent. And you

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Frank Warrens folks, there's Toppering people involve. There's obviously Mattroom Boxing,

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there's gold Star, there's Sella, There's all these different entities,

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Golden Boy, There's a bunch of different people. So they

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had all their people, like you, rolling up their sleeves

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trying to get this work that. As it turned out,

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this was the opponent by all accounts, that Turkey Alshic

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picked to try to see if he was available to

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do the fight. And it's a fighter named Josh Padley.

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And you may remember the name Josh Padley because on

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a card last fall, I believe it was on the

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big card that took place at Wimbley Stadium when in

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September when he knocked out Anthony Joshua. On that undercard,

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you had Mark Chamberlain, who is Turkey's favorite fighter, the

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lightweight up and comer contender, however you want to describe him,

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and he was defeated in that particular fight in an

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upset and Padley was the one that beat him. Padley

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is undefeated, he's now fifteen to zero. He looked you know,

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pretty good. He was an underdog against Mark Chamberlain. He

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won a pretty clear decision, knocked him down in the fight,

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and he hasn't fought since that fight. And as it

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turns out, and you know, say what you want about

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the merit of the WBC rankings, that's a conversation for

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another day. But here's the fact. Before all this stuff happened,

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it just turned out that Josh Padley was one slot

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ahead of Floyd Schofield in the WBC rankings. One guy

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was twelfth, one guy was thirteen. So if according to

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the WBC who approved to prove this fight, they're actually

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doing a title defense for Shakhor against a contender rated

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higher than the original opponents. So take that for what

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it's worth. You know, I think both of the fights

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were mismatches. That's my opinion that of all the great

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fights on this show, that was the one that was

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the widest. And but all credit to Chamberlain. He was

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in shape, he was you know, I guess close to wait.

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Speaker 2: Credit to Padley, Yes, I know who you mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Padly, My bad, my bet Padley for him and

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his team willing to do the fight on such short notice. Obviously,

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being well compensated, and you know, life changing money for

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a basically, what is a guy who's been a club

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fighter other than the victor against Chamberlain, and he's you know,

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he's gonna roll the dice. He has nothing to lose

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because even if he loses a twelve round decision, or

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if even he gets stopped, you know, he he went

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in there on such short notice. He made a big

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amount of money. He got in the good graces of

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everybody involved with the show, match room certainly, and Turkey obviously,

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and and uh, you know again, you're fighting shirt course

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You might get stopped, but you're probably not going to

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get beat up because Shakur's game is about, you know,

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the sweet science of box.

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Speaker 2: And here's the reality with what you're saying. I'm sure

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his own people prevailed upon him and others. You may

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never get another opportunity like this. There's no guarantees. We

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hope you will to make this kind of money, be

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on this kind of a van against this kind of fighter.

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rayphel that's a whole nother debacle. Is everybody gonna make

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weight on Friday. That's a Friday problem. That's a Friday problem.

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But allegedly Padley is on weight right, has been in

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training and now he's the new opponent for Shakour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess they were. They were having conversations about him,

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and not that he would be in training camp already

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for this fight, but there was conversations where he may

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have been the next opponent to face Dalton Smith from

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the UK and undefeated contender who's now in the number

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one position I believe at one hundred and forty pounds.

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he got to Rehid in time to be at their

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press conference on Wednesday, and he basically said, this is

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what every boxer gets in the in the sport for.

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title fights, beyond these big cards, make good money, and

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you know basically say, and I'm getting to do all

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three of these things at once. So when you're at

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whatever level you're at in boxing, you can always go

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in the ring and lose to nobody for no money.

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but if you're going to do it, you might as

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well do it against the best opponent on the biggest stage,

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for the biggest money, and Padley's taking advantage of the

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of a situation. It's unfortunate for Scofield. Hopefully, you know,

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he'll get another opportunity somewhere along the line, or you know,

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step up and fight another contender and continue his career.

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He seems like he's gonna be okay in terms of

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his health, but not enough to be in the ring

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on Saturday. So Padley gets the opportunity of a lifetime.

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epic proportions if he was able to bump off h Course, Stevenson,

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who you know, for his perspective, is like, look, I'm

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fighting Schofield, I'm fighting Padley, I've been training, I'm ready

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to fight whoever it is in the ring. He made

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the analogy during the press cover ince that it's sort

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of like when you're in an amateur tournament and you

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don't even know you're going to fight just before they

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do the draw. So he was thinking about it from

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those from that point of view. Again, Shakur was a

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decorated amateur who went in a million tournaments and won

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a silver medal in the Olympics, so that the notion

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that he's fighting a guy who he didn't know about

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an alien concept for guys who are top amateurs.

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also off of a hand injury as well in this,

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so we'll see how he looks. We'll see how he looks.

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that Daniel Dubois was suddenly ill and this is the

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day that they're going to do the press conferences with

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the fighters, etc. In Riad And then it became a debate, Okay,

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how ill is he? Can he go on? And Frank

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the day. Now you and I are taping this in

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the evening on Thursday. What ended up happening is same scenario.

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their doctor he's sick, he can't fight.

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not the British board that said that. They probably would

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have but regardless, he was ill and could was not

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going to fight. I mean, end of story. I mean,

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you're not gonna again. He's not looking to duck out

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of the fight. He took the fight. Did the promotion

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train you know, I'm not I don't believe there's anything

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nefarious whatsoever. I mean, a guy's travel different weather, different food,

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different schedule, time zones are mixed up, you know, and

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he got sick. It's not unusual and so he's not

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going to fight now again. Like I said about what

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boxing knowledgeable people involved in this business who've made matches

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a million times, promotional folks and matchmakers and managers and uh,

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and a lot of money that can be used to

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grease the wheels to get a guy in the fight.

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show if they could come up with a suitable replacement opponent. Uh.

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huge victory against Joshua, this was a great opportunity to

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follow up on and put yet another big win in

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his in his uh, you know, in his uh, in

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his ledger. Remember he had won three in a row

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Jarrell Miller Argovich to win the interim title, upgraded then

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knocked out Joshua in the first offense spectacularly.

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Speaker 2: And we need to say this massive interest in this fight,

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obviously in the UK, massive interest in Europe and in

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the CAR. But there was gonna be massive interest in

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this bout because of Dubois and the and the angle

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of him being the the IBF heavyweight champion and.

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Speaker 1: Parker, and Parker is a well known fighter to the

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British crowd also because most of his big fights have

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been in Britain, whether it was against his unification against

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Joshua that he lost or obviously he lost also to UH,

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to Joe Joyce, but he's also fought fights in the

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UK in one fights and he's also on a great run.

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back fights in Riad where he took down Deontay Wilder

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Zilly Zang. So he's been red hot also. We talked

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about that on our interview in the podcast that was

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on the previous episode. So they were looking for a

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new opponent for him. Now, there was a bunch of

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names that came up as the possibility that he might fight,

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and you know that always happens. You know guys who

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are volunteering, your guys who they're thinking maybe get in

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the fight. So there was a couple of guys they

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mentioned that are supposed to fight on the boxer card

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on April fifth. One is Lawrence o'koley, who is new

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to the heavyweight division although he had a title at

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bridgerweight and at light heavyweight I mean, I'm sorry at cruiserweight. Cruiserweight.

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David Atdlier another Britt who'd been on Riat season cards

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in the past, who also was scheduled for a boxer

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card on April fifth. The other name that had come

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up was a fighter named marod Aliev who was a

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French fighter, a southba who was a twenty twenty Olympian.

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manager and trainer of the big Man Martin Bacoley, who

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was posted on social media. Hey, you know, we told

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our promoter, which is also a boxer, that talked to

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the folks in Saudi Arabia and Martin Bucoley is ready

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and willing and able to fight. So so Parker, Uh,

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no problem. And you know, within a couple hours of

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that of that post, Marin Bacoley had accepted the fight

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and got the offer, and he's on his way to

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Saudi Arabia probably as we're or soon to be on

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his way to Saudi Arabia on three days. Notice, a

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very dangerous fight for both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. So before we get into

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the actual matchup here, the one thing I considered, and

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you and I were not in communication on Thursday, but

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I was communicating with Ricky Carroll, who does a great

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job right now as our lead writer on Big Fight

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Weekend dot com, and I said, what are you hearing?

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Because he was checking with some different people. Could they

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make could they make the fight with a Jeet Kaba

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Yell more so than Jang because Parker had beaten Jang.

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So Kaba Yell and Jang are on the undercard. To me, again,

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it's boxing, but it seemed kind of interesting. Could they

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accommodate Jang, pay him and let Kaba Yell fight Parker

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because they're already there.

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Speaker 1: There would be absolutely no reason to break up the

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Jang and Caveall fight, especially given that it was already

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situated for the Dumble BBC interim title. Zero chance that

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was going down.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just saying. I'm just saying because he was

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already there, the fact that that you could make it.

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Speaker 1: All you're doing is ruining one fight to make another fight.

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It doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is that Caaba Yelle, supposedly on

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the trajectory, would have a legitimate chance here. Jang is

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kind of the opponent. I was just theorizing it. I'm

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not saying how realistic it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd say Jang is the opponent.

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I think a lot of people think Jangs and knock

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Cabby Yell out.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out. We'll find out, and then we'll.

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Speaker 1: Know they weren't going to break apart that fight to

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make another. But they got Bacoli in the fight. Now,

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Bacoley hadn't fought since the Zip then since the August

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fight against Jared Anderson, when he detonated him and destroyed

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him and looked right. And he's had trouble getting fights,

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and so this is an incredible opportunity for him. The

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one great thing when you're a heavyweight taking a fight

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on Charno's, you're gotta worry about making weight. Whatever Marley

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is is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it the skeptic in me that's wondering is all

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of this still gonna work out? Because Baccoli's got to

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get there as we're taping this. He's got to clear

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the medicals and all of that, because again, he's not

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a fighter that has been in Saudi Arabia where they're

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checking him out for the last two or three days.

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on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, he had one extra day notice.

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Speaker 2: Well it was yeah, Tuesday, Wednesday. But any in any

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in any event, am I am I being too skeptical?

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Speaker 1: Well, anything, anything could happen. I mean, who the heck knows.

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But the fact that you found an opponent where weight's

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got an issue, I have to imagine the medical is

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not an issue. First of all, he's fought in Saudi

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Arabia in the past. He's a fighter that fights out

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of Scotland, so he's under the under the jurisdiction of

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the British Boxing Board of Control. By all accounts, he's

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you know, he's not injured. He came off a great

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win in August, so I don't As long as he

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can get his rear end, you know, to the airport

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and get on the plane and make it to Saudi Arabia,

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I don't see why there is a problem. And from

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Joseph Parker's perspective, in listening to Joseph at the press conference,

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you know, wished good good health to Daniel Dubois, but

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he said I'll be ready for Saturday. And his manager,

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Spencer Brown, who's involved with the event, and Saudi ready,

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He's like, look, there's gonna be a fight on Saturday,

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and Joe's ready, willing abele and he is a throwback fighter.

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Him and I talked about on the podcast about his

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willingness to just fight whoever. So there might be only

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one fighter in boxing willing to take on Martin Bucoley

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on three days notice, and it happens to be Joseph Parker.

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Not a lot of guys would be willing to do that.

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So that is a this is a fight that if

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they had announced this when they kicked off the entire show,

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people would have said, oh shit, that's a good fight,

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Bocoli against Parker. Now, as it turns out, not that

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this is a reason, not that this is why it's happening.

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and it had already been predetermined in an agreement with

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the WBO and Parker's team. Parker, remember when he beat Jang,

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he won the interim WBO title. Now, the WBO is

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not big into interim titles. They try to get rid

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of them as quickly as possible. They're usually only in

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a in a particular situation, mostly injury, but there their

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rules do not permit, and they're and they're very steadfast

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about this to have an interim champion fight another champion

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from another organization and somehow unify a full title with

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an interim titles, because it's just fucking stupid. So it

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was already known that once the bell rang, Parker's interim

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title of the WBO would be vacated. But because the

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IBF title is not at stake and he still is,

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the WBO interim champion and McCauley is a bona fide

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legit contender. My back and forth earlier today with Gustabo Olaveri,

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who was the president of the WBO, because I asked

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them out, he says, yeah, we'll allow that fight, So

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this will be sanctioned instead of being an IBF heavyweight

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title fight, it will be in fact for Joseph Parker's

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interim WBO title. For whatever that's worth, but there is,

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I'll tell you what it's worth. That's for sure.

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Speaker 2: What it's worth is whoever wins this fight, If if

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Alexander Usik is not willing to fight them and fairly

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soon later this year. This is me saying this, they

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could be elevated as the full champion. That's the whole idea,

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that's the whole reason why they did the interim And

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the point I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know about later this year. Remember when you're a unified champion.

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The way that the way that Usik is they do

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a rotation system and so the WBO my recollection is

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not the next step in line. But the point is

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there's there's some added stakes because of it. So it's

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a great opportunity for Bacoli Parker is defending that title

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instead of fighting for the other title. It just an

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added element to the fight, you know. And even if

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there wasn't around, they probably still would have made the match.

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And what happened, I'm just saying it just adds to

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it with a little bit of the just a different organization.

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Speaker 2: And and you and I aren't agreement. Dangerous fight here

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for pugurely dangerous with with Bocoli, asked jar At, Anderson

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asked Tony Yoka who he beat? You love my phrase

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pillar to post when they fought a couple of years

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ago as well.

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Speaker 1: So I just don't I just don't know what Bocoli's

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situation is in terms of in the gym, like in

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fighting shape, because he doesn't hate to add anything scheduled

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and sometimes with Martin, the thing that that can be

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an issue is the conditioning. Is the weight. Parker's been

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in camp for you know, nine or ten weeks, so

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he should be, you know, ready to roll. It is

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a big change of the style of opponent. I mean,

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Duboi is a smaller, shorter, quicker, uh problem, heavier puncher

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than Bacoli, who is a much more taller, wider, more

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lumbering but powerful. It's a different kind of animal South.

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He's still in there with a big man trying to

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take your head.

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Speaker 2: Off and a big left. And credit again to Parker

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for being willing to do all of this. So first

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time I'll mention we'll handicap these fights on the bet

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Us Boxing Show at one Eastern time Friday. I'm interested

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in your handicap of Parker and Bocoli, so to our knowledge,

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can I qualify it one more time? That's it on

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the moving and shaking on this read season card. Now,

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if something else has happened overnight, God help us overnight

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Thursday into Friday morning, you and I will be talking

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about it on the bet Us Boxing Show. But for now,

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this is all the musical chairs that we have at

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the moment. Is these two fights, we think as we

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put the pod to bed, all right, So that leads

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us back to the top, which is Archer better BV

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and Dmitri Bvol. The rematch again here from Bevol on

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the hod Feed a couple of episodes ago, if you

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missed it, talking with Dan about this rematch, and this

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00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,759
is kind of rare that it's an immediate rematch, like

472
00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:10,319
four months later. We've seen some immediate rematches, like the

473
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,519
Usik Thury rematch was within the same year, about six

474
00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:17,519
months apart, but only four months later the two Russians

475
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,640
are fighting again. Dan, what are your thoughts as we're

476
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,960
now within the forty eight hour window of having that

477
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,680
rematch undisputed light heavyweight title fight.

478
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,559
Speaker 1: Besides all the craziness of what's been going on with

479
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,519
some of these undercard fights, you know, with Dui and

480
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,039
the Shakurt fights, I mean, this is still the main event.

481
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,839
This is still the main attraction. This is still the

482
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one for all the marbles. This is still a rematch

483
00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:39,920
of what was an extraordinarily close fight in October, a

484
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,359
fight that I personally scored one fourteen to one fourteen.

485
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,400
It was a very close call in favor of Arthur

486
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,400
Better bv. I mean, it really could have gone either way.

487
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,440
I think even if you're a supporter of the other fighter,

488
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,359
you acknowledge that it was a super close fight. It

489
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,599
was a majority decision. One judge did have it one

490
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,359
fourteen to one, fourteen one with seven to five fifteen,

491
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,839
one to thirteen. One was eight four one sixteen one twelve.

492
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,880
Some people kind of lost their mind like not going

493
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,599
to be eight to far. It was really close fight. Yeah,

494
00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:08,279
But if there's like a bunch of four or five

495
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:10,240
close rounds in the fight and he just happened to

496
00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:12,200
take it off to the other guy eight four in

497
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,160
a fight like that, it doesn't doesn't is not indicative

498
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,160
that it's a wide fight, because each of those rounds

499
00:23:17,279 --> 00:23:21,000
were close, like literally TJ in this fight, basically all

500
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,640
twelve rounds were close, competitive and better beev to the

501
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,319
view of most people, including the judges, closed much stronger,

502
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,319
and so whatever he needed to do, he got the

503
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,640
benefit because over the last three rounds he basically was

504
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,039
that was what provided him with the margin to be

505
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,759
the winner of the fight. So Beevol wants to as

506
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,640
he said a million times leading up to the fight,

507
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,720
including in the interview your referenced on the pod a

508
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,000
couple episodes ago, he needs to do more, he needs

509
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,039
to throw more punches better. BV probably wants to get

510
00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:52,319
off to a little bit of a better start. But

511
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,240
there's not any tricks here. I mean, these guys are

512
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who they are. They're veteran contenders, they're veteran championship level fighters,

513
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,039
and there's not a lot that you're gonna switch around

514
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:03,839
in four months. Maybe a wrinkle here, a wrinkle there,

515
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:07,640
But I anticipate, you know, a similarly you know, close

516
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960
and cagey kind of fight. To me, it's about can

517
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,000
can better be of land the big bomb that he

518
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,640
was not able to land the first time, because we

519
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,119
know he's one of the more devastating punchers in boxing.

520
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:18,039
That was the first time he ever went the route

521
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,519
in his professional career and knocked out all the opponents.

522
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,559
He was the only reigning world title holder that had

523
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:26,799
one hundred percent and has not got ratio. So it's

524
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,960
a very fascinating fight. I do not expect it to

525
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,279
be some kind of great action fight, but I do

526
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,359
expect it to be a competitive, cagey, interesting, tension filled

527
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,480
kind of fight where you really have to pay attention.

528
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,079
If you're scoring the fight, you got to really really

529
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,440
pay close attention because every little thing can count and

530
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,200
make a difference. And you know, again, when they fought

531
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,119
the first time around, there hadn't been an undisputed light

532
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,000
heavyweight champ in twenty five years. Since nineteen ninety nine

533
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,319
when Roy Jones did it. There had never been an

534
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,400
undisputed champion since there's been a four belt era and

535
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,599
better be A was able to do it, but Bibo

536
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,839
wasn't that much behind. It was like, no, I thought

537
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,960
even maybe he's a half step in one round. I

538
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,400
mean whatever, but it's a just a it's a it's

539
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,359
a really good matchup between two top ten caliber pound

540
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,799
for pound fighters.

541
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 2: Has he learned from fight one? We're about to find

542
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,240
out what can he do differently again? You and I

543
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,960
are going to handicap his high stakes.

544
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, yeah, Turkey al chic back, you know,

545
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,680
back after David Benavite's defeated David Morrell in the light

546
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,160
heavyweight division, invited David to come and be as guests,

547
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,039
And from my understanding and what I am told that

548
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,759
David will be on a plane or is on a

549
00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,839
plane headed to Saudi Arabia to be ringside. Because he

550
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:48,799
is as the as the bizarrely unified WBA Regular champion

551
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,480
WBC Interim champion, he is the mandatory in two organizations

552
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:56,279
because a WBC has already said you're the mandatory at

553
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,039
light heavyweight by virtue of being the regular champion, you're

554
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,000
automatically the editor in the WBA. And on top of that,

555
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,920
he's the biggest name in the division. Uh and some

556
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960
people would consider might bigger, maybe not the champion, but

557
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,720
in terms of the name value, at least in this

558
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,079
side of the world, in terms of the money he generates.

559
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,640
You know, David Benavides is is a significant fighter in

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,880
the division, probably the biggest name that there is, frankly,

561
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,920
and so he's right there in line potentially to fight

562
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,480
the winner as the mandatory perhaps later this year, be

563
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:27,599
it in Saudi Arabia, perhaps on a Saudi card that

564
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,599
they may, you know, do with some more events here

565
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,720
in the United States. But I don't care who the

566
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,400
winner of the main event is, whether it's Bibel or

567
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,119
Better be It. You can't tell me you're not interested

568
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,920
in seeing that victor take on David Benabez A fascinating,

569
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:41,160
really interesting fight.

570
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,079
Speaker 2: Amen, And so let's see what happened. Lots of options,

571
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,960
lots of options, including the name Canelo Alvarez down the

572
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,799
road could be an option too against the undisputed winner here.

573
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:53,839
So that's what's it's taken on. Obviously, Bible has a

574
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,079
win over Canelo.

575
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,079
Speaker 1: I will tell you right now there's probably zero chance

576
00:26:58,079 --> 00:26:59,279
that Canelo will fight Better be It.

577
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: So that if he is the winner, if Bevil is

578
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,160
the winner, who.

579
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: Knows the one fight.

580
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,039
Speaker 2: Of course? Of course, all right, so we have that.

581
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,319
By the way, I need to mention because I was

582
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,599
derelict at the beginning because of all the chaos with

583
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,759
the fighters moving around. Lamont Roach is on the pod

584
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,839
with you with Gervante Davis. We're going to play that

585
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,319
interview here in a few minutes as you spoke with

586
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,559
him as his battle with Gervonte Davis on pay per

587
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,799
view is next Saturday, March the first, So you'll hear

588
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,400
from Lamont Roach uh in a little bit here on

589
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,880
the pipe. We just got we have so much on

590
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,839
this ri odd card. We got to keep going Dan Rayfield,

591
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,519
all right, So now we move down the card, and

592
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,200
I really believe for me, this is the fight that

593
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,400
I'm looking the most forward to. That is Hams of

594
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,880
Sharaz going for the WBC middleweight title with Carlos a Damas,

595
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:55,200
a Damas who is a Dominican fighter, a hard body puncher.

596
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:58,079
There's there's a lot of intrigue Sharaz with the size,

597
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,119
with the height and the reach. I'm very intrigued by

598
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,079
this fight coming on Saturday. Give me a little more

599
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:03,720
in a preview.

600
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: About well, Schra's is probably the hottest guy in the

601
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359
division right now. He is undefeated. He's been closely associated

602
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,160
with these read Season cards and made him a Read

603
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,680
Season ambassador. You know, he's the house guy even though

604
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,359
he's not the champion, and you can take it to

605
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,839
the bank that that's the guy that Turkey wants to

606
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,359
see win the fight. And he's coming off some worthwhile

607
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,599
victories that put him in a position that he is

608
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,960
a legitimate contender to be fighting for now. He is

609
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960
the WBC's mandatory challenger, and you know he is undefeated.

610
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,680
But his run where he started really open eyes and

611
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,720
make people believers and take serious notice, goes back to

612
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,079
February of twenty twenty four. Had a big year in

613
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,279
twenty twenty four. He won three fights. He won all

614
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,519
them by knockout. He looked really good in all three fights.

615
00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,240
The first one was back in February where he had

616
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,119
a first round knockout against Leam Williams. Now, Allan Williams

617
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,279
might have been a little bit past his best days,

618
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,039
but no one had ever done that to Liam Williams,

619
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:55,799
who's been a you know, was a good contender for

620
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:59,200
several years, so that was a first round destruction. Then

621
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,640
in a fight where there was a lot of sentiment

622
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
on both sides to be quite honest, he was taken

623
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160
on remember the five on five card that took place

624
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,880
in June. He was on Team Queensberry. He was matched

625
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,000
up with the matchroom fighter, Austin m. O. Williams, the

626
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:16,119
undefeated American fighter, and it was a good fight and

627
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,359
Hams of Shiraz was bigger, longer, and obviously he's stronger,

628
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640
and he took Williams out in an eleventh round knockout.

629
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,119
It was a very big win for him. And because

630
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,240
he was the captain of the team of Team Queensberry,

631
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,279
because he got the knock out, he got the extra point.

632
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:33,720
Then as people remember Frank Warren's team you know, steamrolled

633
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680
and won by shutout against Eddie Hernstein. But he got

634
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,519
the extra point as the captain. Anyway, that was a

635
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:42,480
very impressive victory. Then he returned in September. He also

636
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,640
fought on the Wembley card when Joshua and d had

637
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920
their fight. He fought on that undercard. He's from England,

638
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,799
so he's front of the home crowd and he knocked

639
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:53,279
out a fellow britt Tyler Denny. He won the European

640
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,720
Middleway title very impressively in the second round. Like just

641
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,599
you know, I'm not saying I thought he was going

642
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,240
to lose that fight. I fought for sure he would

643
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,759
win that fight, but I actually thought that that Denny

644
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:04,759
would hang in there for a little while, and he

645
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,960
just made it, you know, like a blitz and he

646
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,119
was done for her. And so now he has this

647
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,039
opportunity against Carlos Damas, who is taking on his mandatory,

648
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,279
is getting his biggest payday traveling. Look, Adamas has been

649
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:19,160
a good fighter for a while but does not have

650
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,240
the name recognition, hasn't achieved the notoriety, but he's got

651
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,440
a couple of solid wins. You know, if you go

652
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:28,440
back pre championship, you know he had defeated like for example,

653
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,160
in a close decision, he beat Sergei debrian Chenko, who

654
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,279
lost to the very best fighters out there. Remember when

655
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,319
Charlot went the distance when with Juan Messias Montielle, Well

656
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,039
it was a Damas who blew him away in three rounds.

657
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:42,839
Didn't have to go to the distance with the guy

658
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,240
that was a you know, a domination for that fight,

659
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,160
and then he beat the former Juor Middleway title holder

660
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,559
Julian Williams, who had moved up and knocked him out

661
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:53,880
in the ninth round. That was on Showtime if you remember,

662
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,559
back in twenty twenty three, and then he didn't really

663
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,240
look good in this particular fight, but he still won

664
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,920
pretty handily in terms of the scoring. He took on

665
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,000
Terrell Gachet back in June. That was on the same

666
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,839
card that was the doubleheader where he had Tank Davis

667
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,680
against Frank Martin and benavide Is against Alexander Votek. One

668
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,680
of the other pay per view fights that night was

669
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,039
a Domis dettending the Tunnle. She hasn't fought into June,

670
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,759
and like a lot of these guys, there's good money

671
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:19,799
and he's taken a show on the road to put

672
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:22,119
onto this fight. Now, I'm not sure that he can

673
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,240
compete in the sense of just the punching power that

674
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Shiraz has, the freshness that Charaz has, and also Charaz

675
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,480
is like six foot three, which is giant from midway. Now,

676
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:35,960
it's not like Adamis is short. He's five to eleven.

677
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,039
That's pretty decent size for one hundred and sixty pounder,

678
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,359
not like a small guy. But I think he's gonna

679
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:46,720
be outgunned just in terms of the physical attributes height, breach, power, speed.

680
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,400
It's a it's uphill battle, it seems to me, all right.

681
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: So two other things though, too. A Damas was completely

682
00:31:53,680 --> 00:32:00,519
screwed over by the WBC not mandating that Jermal Charlo

683
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,359
fight him or will strip you. And they waited and

684
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,400
he had to wait, and he waited and waited and

685
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,759
waited trying to get the Charlot fight and that never happened.

686
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,880
So that's the reason why he hasn't been very active,

687
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,000
as you mentioned, two fights in two years, headed into

688
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,319
this February showdown, and I like him as a body puncher.

689
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:18,079
When you watch him fight, I don't know if he's

690
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,480
going to get in the kitchen as we like to say,

691
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,480
and get after Shiraz, But stay tuned. I'm very intrigued

692
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,039
by this fight. And you and I sound like we

693
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,160
might be on opposite sides of the aisle on the

694
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:29,839
bet Us show.

695
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Maybe if you're tuning in, promise, if you're five eleven

696
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,920
and you're fighting a six to three guy and you

697
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,720
got inside that height disadvantage, you should be going after

698
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,599
the body, especially if it's one of your better attributes.

699
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: You got it. We got to see if that will happen,

700
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,359
all right, But like we like to say, how much

701
00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:45,480
would you pay now for the GINSU State Knives nineteen

702
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,279
ninety five twenty nine ninety five? My lord Rayfield, there's

703
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:51,720
still more and I think you I won't speak for you,

704
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,960
but you've spoken two or three times about how excited

705
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,640
and intrigued you are by this next one. Is this

706
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,960
may be your favorite fight that's not the main event.

707
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:03,920
Virgil Orti here and madram Off for the interim WBC

708
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,839
Junior middleweight title. What about that fight that is best

709
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,759
down on this card? But it's still intriguing.

710
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,599
Speaker 1: No, it's a really good fight. I like this fight

711
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,960
a lot. I didn't rank it number two behind the

712
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,559
main event. I mean I actually have a piece on

713
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:19,599
my substack prior to the postponement or cancelation if you will,

714
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,519
of Parker and Dui. That was actually my second favorite

715
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,319
fight on the show. But I act and go read

716
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:28,039
that where I rank all seven fights and give sort

717
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:29,920
of my take on it. But in terms of a

718
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,039
virgual artis imagium off, there's nothing not to like about this.

719
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,160
Two prime guys, two guys that are good punchers, two

720
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,000
guys that can box, but also can definitely stand in

721
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:41,079
there and fight. You know. Virginal Artis went the distance

722
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:43,359
for the first time in his career back in the summer,

723
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,440
coming off one of the Fight of the Year contenders

724
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,359
when he had that incredible brawl against Sara Boachuk. He

725
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,000
got off the deck two times, ended up winning a

726
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,759
winning a majority decision. He ended up because of the decision,

727
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,039
he won the interim WBC one hundred and fifty four

728
00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:02,839
pounds title from Boachuk. Now, remember Boachuk and Majimov were

729
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,240
supposed to fight each other on the Fury and Usk undercart,

730
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,000
and then when that fight was made soon after it

731
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,480
was Magimov also signing to fight virgial Artis, and you

732
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:17,079
and I both and not just us, but basically everybody

733
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,480
with the brain was like, very no way, He's fighting

734
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,119
Boachuk and what everybody figures is a tough fight on

735
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,320
December twenty first, and then going to be back in

736
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,840
the ring on February twenty second against Virgil Ortiz. And

737
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,039
sure enough, whether by a design or it was legit,

738
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:34,519
whatever the case, may be they pulled him. Bat claimed

739
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,559
the had bronchitis and he couldn't go through, so he

740
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,079
did not fight in December, and Boachuk fought and defeated

741
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,599
another opponent, and the Ortiz fight is now happening, and

742
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:46,400
Majmov is in a bigger profile fight, and Majamov is

743
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
coming off not as exciting of a fight as what

744
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Virgil Ortiz had done against a good opponent. But he

745
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,079
also lost his world title. But he gave Terrence Crawford,

746
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,440
arguably TJ the toughest fight that Crawford has had in

747
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,880
his career. That was the main event when they did

748
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,719
the read season. Folks put on the event in Los

749
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,599
Angeles back in August. He gave Crawford all he could handle.

750
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:11,719
Is a really close fight. I mean, it wasn't a

751
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,480
great fight, but it was a very competitive and I

752
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,719
can understand why there were supporters Imaginemub that thought maybe

753
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,800
he just did enough to win the fight. So he

754
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,719
comes off the loss, but by the loss, he raised

755
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,920
his stock because you know, he gave one of the

756
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,480
best fighters in boxing such a really tough and good fight.

757
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,400
And Ortiz, you know, we know what he's about, so

758
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,000
I think this fight style wise, stakes wise, where they

759
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,400
are in their careers, they're you know what they've brought

760
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,519
to the table in their last couple of bouts, Like

761
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:40,920
this is like a can't miss kind of fight.

762
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,199
Speaker 2: I love this matchup all right, so we're looking forward

763
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,360
to that one at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

764
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,119
By the way, good time for us to mention that

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Speaker 1: The price on this pay per view? I'm not trying

778
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,159
to like be a salesman, but I'm just being real.

779
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:39,320
We see so many pay per views fifty sixty, sixty five,

780
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,079
seventy seventy five, eighty eighty five dollars for some of

781
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these events. And you know, you buy them if you

782
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,559
want whatever. That's cool, and I buy them all, no problem.

783
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,320
But here's the point, though, for this magnitude of a show,

784
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,039
for the amount of great fights that are on it,

785
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,119
they have a price point. You have to go back

786
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,480
basically to the advent of pay perview in like the

787
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,960
nineteen nineties to find something this cheap, especially with this quality.

788
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,480
You know what the price in at least in the

789
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:07,360
United States, and anyway, the suggested price for this event

790
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,199
is twenty five ninety nine.

791
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

792
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: That is cheap that if you're if you are, if

793
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,119
you are going to steal it for that cheap, then

794
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,480
you should go fuck yourself. Like I don't steal pay

795
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,400
per view, but I get even though I don't approve

796
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,480
and I don't dig it, if it's an eighty dollars

797
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:27,079
pay per view, you're maybe stealing the signal, Like I

798
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,039
kind of get it because that to me sometimes is

799
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,400
a little bit too much what it should be at

800
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,480
twenty six dollars, be spending that on like a you know,

801
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,480
a pizza and a case of beer or whatever.

802
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: Well, and keep in mind the Turkey al Chic has

803
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,519
done this before with a couple of the previous pay

804
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,800
per views last year in saying, I believe it was

805
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,800
the Joshua Dubois pay per view in September that especially

806
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,599
for the American audience, we're not going to make this

807
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:56,599
fifty nine ninety ninety nine because people aren't going to

808
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,920
buy it in the United States in the middle of

809
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,599
the afternoon.

810
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: For so it's what I don't want to think on

811
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440
their part by doing it at twenty six dollars, I

812
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,400
don't think they're making up for it in volume. It's

813
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,199
not because the card's not good, it's great. I just

814
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,079
think that American audiences are not used to purchasing a

815
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,639
pay per view that starts like the pre shows at

816
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,679
like ten thirty in the morning. The main event, you know,

817
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,360
the first fight's like eleven am. Main event probably around

818
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,280
you know, six o'clock or thereabouts. It's a long day

819
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,039
of fights. But the point is, if you are interested

820
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:28,480
in boxing, if you are a fan, you can't possibly

821
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,800
go wrong at twenty six dollars. And just again, I

822
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,400
wish they were paying me extra to say that. But

823
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,280
I'm just being real and leave me. If it was

824
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,000
a shitty card and it was, we would over price.

825
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,679
Speaker 2: We would say it, and we do say it. We

826
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,800
have said why. I mean, you can definitely question why

827
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,400
was Benavite's morell an eighty dollars pay per view? I

828
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,119
mean that that, I mean compared to this, Are you

829
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:49,639
kidding me?

830
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: But what you're getting for.

831
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: The money, what you're getting for the money.

832
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: The eighty dollars Benavide' is morel pay per view based

833
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,599
on Benevite's name, based on the level of promotion that

834
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,679
PBC did in America comp air to what the Saudis do,

835
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,199
which is next to zero, and you combine it with

836
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,360
the normal start time that we're used to here in

837
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,239
North America, and even at eighty dollars the Benavidia's pay

838
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,320
per view, I guarantee you probably gonna probably did I note, well,

839
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,360
we don't know what the number is yet from the

840
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,639
fight on Saturday, but I can guarantee you when it's

841
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:22,119
all said and done, Benavidie's morrel will have done way

842
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,760
more in terms of buys than.

843
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying. I'm not suggesting which one's gonna get

844
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,519
purchased more. I'm just saying for the boxing fan, you

845
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,159
get fatigued in the wallet and the economy is the

846
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,559
economy when you keep hearing eighty dollars eighty four dollars.

847
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:40,199
And by the way, the read card in Los Angeles,

848
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,639
wasn't that a ninety dollars pay per view with Terrence

849
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:44,960
Crawford in the main event? I believe it was like

850
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,679
eighty or ninety dollars, same kind of thing. So remember

851
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,920
this one. This one is more affordably priced and we

852
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like it for that. And use our friends at PPV

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857
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We love that about them, beautiful stuff. I promise we're

858
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,840
getting to Lamont roach and just a Rayphiel again. You're

859
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,360
not going to be able to recap all of this, uh.

860
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,719
I don't think any in one podeline with all that

861
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,000
we have. All right, So we mentioned Jang and Caba Yell,

862
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,880
all right, So I'm intrigued with Cabby Yell against a

863
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,360
Jang that obviously pulverized Joe Joyce and demolished Deontay Wilder. Yes,

864
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,840
Joseph Parker beat him. Give me a little more on

865
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,960
the intrigue here, Jang Older, Bigger, South, Paul, give me

866
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,679
a little more on this. And it's a huge moment

867
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,159
for Cabby Yell to take it, to take the step

868
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:43,639
against a reputable fighter.

869
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: Well big Bang. His whole career can be encapsulated in

870
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,719
his last what five fights, since he really stepped up,

871
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,320
because for most of his career he fought nothing but

872
00:40:52,519 --> 00:40:55,000
drek and there was a lot of potential And I

873
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,039
remember talking to different people involved with his career telling

874
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,679
me how great the guy was, and my response was, okay, fine,

875
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,639
is he going to fight somebody that's got to, you know,

876
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:04,119
takes a breath or just going to keep fighting one

877
00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,519
corpse after the other. So in twenty twenty two, he

878
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,079
fought Phillip Pergovic, who was undefeated on the rise, and

879
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,800
he lost the unanimous decision, but he did score a

880
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,280
knockdown in that fight against Hergovic, and it was a

881
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,320
very close fight and it was competitive. A lot of

882
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,559
people thought that Jang may have won, so okay, fine.

883
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Now he comes back after that, and even if you

884
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,920
thought he lost and you're sort of not so sure,

885
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,440
what is all about. Remember at that time, Joe Joyce

886
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:30,360
was undefeated, was red hot pop contender, known for an

887
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,599
iron chin, known for a great power, his huge size,

888
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:36,880
his amateur background. And what happened. Joe Joyce knocked him

889
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,960
out not once but twice, and did so in fairly

890
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,159
dominating fashion. Took him out in the sixth round in

891
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,239
the first fight, knocked him out in the third round

892
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,239
in the second fight. That was his two fights in

893
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,519
the calendar year twenty twenty three. So with those two victories,

894
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,000
now he's on top of the world. Basically, you know,

895
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,000
very highly regarded guy, and he's got big things in

896
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,639
front of me. He had won the WBO's interim title

897
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,960
in the first fight against Joe Joyce, and then he

898
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,199
took a very close majority decision loss to Parker that

899
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,519
cast him that intern belt. But if there was a

900
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,880
silver lining, he scored two knockdowns against Joseph Parker, he

901
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,679
still lost the decision, and it was that kind of

902
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,159
fight where you could see Joe Parker getting off the

903
00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:16,039
floor two times but still doing enough in the other

904
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:18,800
rounds to win the decision. And then he came back

905
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
off that loss and as you mentioned, pulverized in his

906
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,639
spectacular knockout and basically finished off Deontay Wilder spectacularly. That

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,320
was last June in the fifth round, and so this

908
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,280
will be his first fight since. Now Cabiel is undefeated,

909
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:37,000
your boy from Germany twenty five and oh was seventeen knockouts,

910
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,280
and he's a guy that has really made a career

911
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,880
in Riad thanks to read season cards, because his last

912
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,960
two fights have been the so called big fights he's had.

913
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,639
Before that, he was kind of doing his thing on

914
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:54,159
the smaller cards in Germany and winning, but not against

915
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,400
big names. And when he got the opportunity in Riat

916
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,599
in December of twenty twenty three, that was the day

917
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,639
of reck card, he knocked out then highly regarded favored

918
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,880
Arslan Beck Machmandov. Now Mackmandov has proven that he's not

919
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,159
that much since, but no one had ever done it

920
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:11,360
to him, and it was Agi Cabiol that took him

921
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,320
out in four rounds, very impressively, knocked him down three times,

922
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,599
took away his undefeated record, and that made people open

923
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,039
their eyes. Now he came back in May of twenty

924
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,760
twenty four in his second fight in Riad against another

925
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,000
undefeated fighter. But this guy a more legitimate than macmdou

926
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:30,920
at least in my opinion, A very good technical boxer

927
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,079
who could also punch big man Frank Sanchez, Cuban that

928
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:38,840
had also been winning his fights and sometimes frustrating his

929
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,280
opponents because he wasn't maybe the most exciting, but a

930
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,360
very very skillful boxer, but also with good power and agi.

931
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Cabill never waivered, took the fight with no problem, knocked

932
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,760
him down twice in the seventh round, and stopped him

933
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,840
in the seventh round. That was a very big win

934
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,199
for Cabrio and now he goes in this fight with

935
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,679
the Zilly Zang would be his biggest win so far.

936
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,199
Whatever you think about Macmadu Vin Sanchez, I still think

937
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,119
a win even at this point. Again, Jang is a

938
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,760
bigger deal than those two fights. But that's a very

939
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,039
intriguing fight. You got Jang, a big guy, six foot six,

940
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,199
south pop, big bang with the big left hand and

941
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,000
uh and you know, and Cabiell is a much smaller guy.

942
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,320
He's not six foot six, he's like three four inches shorter.

943
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,280
He'll probably be outweighed, you know, by a good thirty

944
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,760
pounds maybe more. You know, Jang was like two eighty ish,

945
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,400
Cabiel goes around two forty five. Good matchup. And like

946
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,280
I said, I don't know why it's the case. For

947
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,880
whatever it's worth, they are fighting for the interim WBC title.

948
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,400
It's not necessary the champion Azusik, he just fought in December.

949
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,719
But that's the WBC doing their thing. But put that aside.

950
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,599
This fight and the winner is going to be in

951
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:44,800
a great position within this weight class.

952
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: And and again Kydie Yelle has been a name that's

953
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,840
been mentioned a couple of times as a possible opponent

954
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,440
for Tyson Fury and for others. Big stage for him

955
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,199
here again, I one more and then I promise we're

956
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,920
getting to Lamont Roach getting ready to challenge Tank Day

957
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,159
and the Dan conversation with him. And that's Joshua Buazzi

958
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:07,800
and Callum Smith WBO interim light heavyweight title fight. Again,

959
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,119
the Brits care probably more than we do about this.

960
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,320
But in terms of the light heavyweights and the fact

961
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,960
that better BV and b BOL is now you know,

962
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:18,840
the full law and undisputed main event this has some

963
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,320
intrigue at the light heavyweight level obviously.

964
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean the winner is going to be the WBILL

965
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,840
mandatory for the winner of the main event, whether they

966
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,320
get that fight in the near future, or they have

967
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,199
the weight, or maybe it gets vacated, who knows, but

968
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,400
they're going to be in that position or be elevated

969
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,920
eventually if in fact the WBO title is vacated. But

970
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,639
in the UK, Josh Bazzi against Collen Smith would be

971
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:42,159
the main event any day of the week. There's not

972
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,519
even a shadow of a doubt. And unless they change

973
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:47,079
the order at the moment, this is the opening title

974
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,440
fight of these seven title fights on the cart. There's

975
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,000
a couple of prospect fights beforehand, but in terms of

976
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:53,320
the main twelve rounders.

977
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: In America, if you're having brunch, bacon, eggs and buwatzi,

978
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:57,480
Callum Smith, Yes.

979
00:45:57,639 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: So this is this is a good fight. I mean,

980
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,199
is an Olympian, he's nineteen and o, he's thirteen knockouts.

981
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,079
He's kind of coming into his own. He's been on

982
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,000
a nice run. He's sally getting a little more active

983
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,800
than he had been. He's coming off of a split decision.

984
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,920
But a good fun fight against Philly Hutchinson. That was

985
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:15,800
a fight that I think a lot of people have

986
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,239
thought could have been a toss up. That was back

987
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,920
in September. Before that, he had a great brawl that

988
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,599
he won against his good friend Dan Aziz that was,

989
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,119
you know, a big deal in the UK. Was for

990
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,920
the British and the Commonwealth title, and you know, and

991
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,079
he's also defeated guys like Krek Richards, who has been

992
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,199
a you know, a good contender for a long time.

993
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,519
And now he's taken on Callen Smith, who I still

994
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:36,639
would say his best opponent so far. Callum is a

995
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,119
reputable guy. I mean, the guy's thirty and two. He's

996
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:42,239
got two losses. One was a decision to Canelo Alvarez

997
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,440
in a super middleweight for two belts at super middleweight,

998
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,599
and the other loss was when he got knocked out

999
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,719
by Arthur Better BF back end January of twenty twenty four.

1000
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,360
But other than beevil, who doesn't get knocked out? When

1001
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,880
they faced Arthur Better VIV he had moved up from

1002
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,119
super middleweight, he had won a couple of fights. He

1003
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:01,440
was Arthur's mandatory. They did that fight, Arthur traveled to

1004
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:04,599
Quebec City or rather coun Smith traveled to Quebec City,

1005
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,599
which is you know, in the province of Quebec, which

1006
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,159
is where better BM is now based and has lived

1007
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,519
and trained his entire pro career. So he was the

1008
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,000
big favorite. But cown Smith was fearless in that fight,

1009
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,400
you know, despite getting knocked out in losing, It's not

1010
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,639
like he fought a bad fight, like he was hanging

1011
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,400
in the fight, even though he didn't win rounds. But

1012
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,199
it wasn't like a completely one sided devastation until the

1013
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,360
very end, obviously. So I still think that he's a

1014
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,320
pretty good fighter. I don't know how much he's got left,

1015
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,280
but Biwatzi's never fought anybody like him. He has won

1016
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
one fight since then, scored a knockout on an undercard,

1017
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,840
you know, against just a like a kind of get

1018
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,920
well type opponent. But this is an intriguing matchup. I

1019
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,159
feel like this is a this is definitely a fight

1020
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:48,119
that most people are overlooking because you know, look, Glatzi

1021
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,159
and Smith, Neither one of them are these huge personalities,

1022
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:54,320
neither one of them has like a scintillating style. They're

1023
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,039
just really good pros. They do their thing. They can

1024
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,679
compete at the championship level, and it's the opener of

1025
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,320
these seven world title fights, but in some ways it's

1026
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,440
one of the most meaningful fights because of the fact

1027
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:10,000
that the winner is in position to challenge the main

1028
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:11,079
event winner at some point.

1029
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so there we go on the preview part of this.

1030
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,320
Shall we segue to next weekend and March first and

1031
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,760
probably fights at that as long as to look at

1032
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,960
your phone real quick. I'm being serious. You don't have

1033
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,239
an alert that any other of the fighters' names have changed,

1034
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,679
and we don't have a replacement fighter.

1035
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: Good. I think we're good.

1036
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:34,519
Speaker 2: Can we go to bed on Thursday night believing that

1037
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,480
we're good at least until Friday morning? Stay tuned. So

1038
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,639
now we move forward to Lamont Roach and Tank Davis.

1039
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:43,400
This is coming next weekend, March first, Brooklyn, New York.

1040
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:45,480
You don't have to wait for fight week as Roach

1041
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:48,400
gets ready to battle Tank Davis and the PBC Prime

1042
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,039
pay per view. Here we go again with the pay

1043
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:54,679
per views here from Lamont Roach right now, including about

1044
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,039
the regional rivalry with Davis and this big opportunity has

1045
00:48:58,519 --> 00:48:59,400
hear from him right now?

1046
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,599
Speaker 1: Well, it's my pleasure to be joined on our podcast.

1047
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:05,599
This week by the WBA Junior Lightweight Champ of the World,

1048
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:08,079
Lamont Road Junior. But Lamont, you have a big fight

1049
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:09,960
coming up. You're not gonna be fighting in the junior

1050
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,239
lightweight division. You are moving up to lightweight to challenge

1051
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:17,039
the wo WBA champion in the lightweight division, Jervanta Tank Davis,

1052
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,519
in a pay per view fight from PBC on Prime

1053
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,440
Video also PPV dot Com, will take place on March

1054
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,480
first at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, New York. And

1055
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:27,119
welcome you to the show. And I'm good to talk

1056
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,079
to you. What I'd like to know I from your

1057
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:30,840
first Lamon is you know this fight's sort of been

1058
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,519
There was a lot of rumors maybe what happened, maybe

1059
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:33,920
it wouldn't. You were a name that was always sort

1060
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,920
of like at the top of the Tank list of

1061
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,000
what might be coming up for him. So could you

1062
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:41,280
just recount to me what your initial thoughts were when

1063
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:46,039
you actually got offered the fighting. Knew this was a possibility, so.

1064
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: When we actually as soon as we got the call,

1065
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,559
it was like, hell, yeah, honestly, that's about it.

1066
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: Like Ruhig is in the car, I think it was

1067
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,559
me and my dad's in the car on the.

1068
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 3: Way to the airport go back home, and it was

1069
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,320
like he was just like, you know, changs changes called

1070
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,920
and he was like, we wanted to fight, of course.

1071
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've never been a guy that's been turning

1072
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,079
down fight. So that's something I know from having covered

1073
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,000
your whole career. If you go back to twenty nineteen,

1074
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,719
amount you had a chance to fight Jamelle Herring back

1075
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,320
then for the WBO Junior Light White title, your first

1076
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,920
opportunity or you know, a big prospect. You were undefeated.

1077
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,599
I believe you were the mandatory challenger at that time

1078
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,079
for his title, and you know you gave a good fight,

1079
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:33,360
but you know, it came up a little bit short,

1080
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
loss the decision, and I just wondered, you know, it

1081
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,800
took you a little while to get back to the

1082
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,920
position to fight for another world title. What do you

1083
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,800
feel like you learned from that first loss? You know,

1084
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,400
despite it being competitive, uh, the fact that they.

1085
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: Aren't going to give me anything, like like you said,

1086
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,760
it was it was a good fight, It was a

1087
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,079
good effort, but it just wasn't enough. I know, going

1088
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,719
into things, especially as an underdog things, I'm gonna you

1089
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,159
know what I'm saying going to be that they're probably

1090
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,719
going to be stacked against me, so I just have

1091
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,599
to I just had to take matters into my own

1092
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,639
hands and make sure that I give no doubt that

1093
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,159
I should win, you know, the rest of my bouts

1094
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:11,559
going on throughout my career.

1095
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,199
Speaker 1: Well you have done that because you have won six

1096
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,320
fights in a row since that particular fight, and in

1097
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,920
twenty twenty three, November of twenty twenty three, you got

1098
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,639
the chance to fight for a title again against Hector

1099
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,519
Luis Garcia in Las Vegas, and you outpointed him in

1100
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,599
a close fight. You won the WBA title, and I wondered, Actually,

1101
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:30,440
I was thinking, you know guys who you know, they

1102
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,199
they don't get anything. Like you said, nothing handed to Lamont. Roach,

1103
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,519
took your time, prospect you know, into main event fights eventually,

1104
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,440
you know, really worked your way to get that opportunity.

1105
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,079
Nearly ten years as a professional, from the time you started.

1106
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,000
Tell WinGen you won the title. What did it feel

1107
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:46,639
like to finally get it and know that all that

1108
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:50,119
hard work, all that you know, that decade of preparing

1109
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:51,519
for that moment, what did that mean to you?

1110
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: I mean everything to me, just like you said it

1111
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,800
was a whole bunch of hard work, a lot of sacrifice,

1112
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,800
a lot of a lot of faith and just trusting myself,

1113
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000
trusting my team and knowing that we'll be will be

1114
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,599
exactly where we were supposed to be.

1115
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: You got a chance in June of last year, June

1116
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,519
of twenty twenty four, to defend the title for the

1117
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:14,800
first time. I know you had spoke about what it

1118
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,880
would mean to you to have a homecoming fight, to

1119
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,480
have a world championship fight in Washington, d C. Where

1120
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,960
you know where you're from originally, and you made that

1121
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,079
dream come true. You had a very good performance, a

1122
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:27,840
knockout victory against the undefeated Fergla McCrory in front of

1123
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,719
your fans in the district, had a good crowd there.

1124
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:32,880
Knocked out in the eighth round, pretty dominating victory. And

1125
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,400
I wonder, you know, I hear from people they talk

1126
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,559
about making the dream come true. I talked recently with

1127
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,440
Keishawn Davis about him and his brothers wanting to have

1128
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,800
a homecoming fight and that was a dream for them.

1129
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,760
They finally got to accomplish that, And I asked him

1130
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,239
this question. I'm curious your response to it as well.

1131
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,840
How did the reality of having the title fight at

1132
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,159
home compared to the dream for all those years you had.

1133
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,199
Speaker 4: I think it matched up to me. It matched up.

1134
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: It was something that I wanted to do, not only

1135
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,239
for myself, but for everyone that's been fogging me since

1136
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,440
I started my family, stretching my close family that that

1137
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:07,079
aren't able to make it out to La Vegas, you

1138
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:08,719
know what I'm saying, all.

1139
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 4: The other states that.

1140
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: I fought in Puerto Rico.

1141
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,599
Speaker 4: Mexico, like out of the country and stuff like that.

1142
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,039
Speaker 3: So it was it was very satisfying for me. It

1143
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,360
was honestly just a dream come true. And you know,

1144
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,239
getting a dance in front of my home crowd is

1145
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,119
It's just it.

1146
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:24,559
Speaker 4: Was just fun.

1147
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: It was a crazy atmosphere, I mean, that's for sure.

1148
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,079
But the fight with you and Gervonte was discussed for

1149
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:32,159
maybe being you know, at the end of last year,

1150
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:34,000
that fight you just mentioned that you defended the title

1151
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,079
was in June. It didn't happen. There was you know,

1152
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,559
I didn't really there was issues over the venue. It

1153
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,159
was gonna be in Houston, a lot of conversations. Ultimately

1154
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,039
it did not happen, rescheduled, and now it's taking place

1155
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,159
on March first, As I mentioned, was there any kind

1156
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,440
of frustration of only having the one fight last year

1157
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,840
and kind of having to put this off and waiting

1158
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,440
and waiting and waiting to get it all locked in?

1159
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,679
Speaker 3: Uh, just just a little bit, yeah, honestly, because it's

1160
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,480
not like I'm signed the PBC or obviously not signed

1161
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,599
the GTD either, So you know what I'm saying, Like,

1162
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,039
it's not like I'm I'm.

1163
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 4: In the loop as soon as every decision is made.

1164
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,840
So it is a little.

1165
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 3: Frustrating, But at the end of.

1166
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: The day, it is what it is. It's boxing, man.

1167
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,519
Speaker 3: You never know what you're going to get, and you know,

1168
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,519
it's just you just stay on board for the ride

1169
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:22,800
for real.

1170
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,119
Speaker 4: For real.

1171
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 3: I was always ready, no matter the case, no matter

1172
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,280
whatever was going on with the venue. Honestly, I just

1173
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,880
think he wasn't ready. I think they, you know, scheduled

1174
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,599
it for when they think he'll be prepared for the match,

1175
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:41,119
and you know, so we was just fine tuning that

1176
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,079
all the way up until it was Tyn of Rock

1177
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:43,480
and Road.

1178
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: One of the things a lot of folks have talked

1179
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,920
about that is a certainly part of the storyline, if

1180
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,079
you will of the fight between yourself and Tank is

1181
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,320
that you fought as amateurs. You knew each other from

1182
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,199
those days. You're about the same age, you know, separated,

1183
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,000
but you're you're actually younger than him. You're twenty nine,

1184
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,360
he is thirty. Can you give me your side of

1185
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,800
the story, so to say, about the memories of what

1186
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,800
occurred in the amateurs? How many times did you fight?

1187
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,840
What happened and how do you remember those times?

1188
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: We thought twice they were very close, competitive fights. And

1189
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,280
you know, the storyline that attests to how close they

1190
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,679
were is the fact that we fought in the same

1191
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,800
tournament before twice in the same tournament. You know that

1192
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,000
doesn't happen. We fought in the regional championship and I

1193
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:31,639
lost in Baltimore, and we sent the tape to USA

1194
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,719
Boxing and they sent me an at large bid because

1195
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,159
they was like, it was a little this this this

1196
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,119
outcome is a little iffy, so to say.

1197
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 4: So they sent me to the nationals.

1198
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: As well with an at large bid and I was

1199
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,679
on the other side of the bracket.

1200
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 4: He was on the other side of the bracket. We

1201
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,000
met up in the championship and he beat me in

1202
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,320
a close fight. So you know, it is what it is.

1203
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,840
I think I want a second fight. I think the

1204
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,079
second fight I did better than the first fight. So

1205
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,639
it is what it is. And we do got the

1206
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:01,199
tape too.

1207
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: I think we're probably the only we're probably the only

1208
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,840
people who do have a tape only put it on

1209
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,519
YouTube or something.

1210
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: I got a while. I'd love to watch that if

1211
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,719
you did. What year was that, Alamont? What year do

1212
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,280
you remember? So do you think? I mean, like you said,

1213
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,159
if they whatever, whether you lost or not, you you

1214
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,119
believe that they were close and competitive. I guess to

1215
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:22,079
the extent that even USA boxing, you know, basically puts

1216
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:24,119
you in to uh be on the road to a

1217
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:26,920
possible rematch. And I've asked this the fighters when they

1218
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,519
fought in amateur fights and then they meet up as professionals.

1219
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,519
Some say it does, some say it doesn't. Do you

1220
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:33,719
think there's any bearing at all because you have at

1221
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,039
least a cursory knowledge of having been in the ring

1222
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,400
with him. Yes you've evolved, Yes it's a while ago,

1223
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,719
but you know you've been face to face with them

1224
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,000
inside the boxing ring. That doesn't mean anything is to

1225
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,159
go into the professional fight.

1226
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,559
Speaker 3: Honestly, Hmmm, maybe not honestly if we honestly speaking, because

1227
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,280
I'm a totally different fighter.

1228
00:56:53,679 --> 00:56:56,159
Speaker 4: Uh, I think he might be.

1229
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1230
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: But when it comes down to like because it's personal,

1231
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,639
Like the fight itself is not personal. When I'm talking

1232
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:11,000
about the familiar, the familiarity with him is personal. Like

1233
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:16,000
I know him fairly better than a lot of I mean,

1234
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:20,280
damn there everybody he probably fought, so, uh, you know,

1235
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,239
we actually have history, like outside of our fights.

1236
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,199
Speaker 4: You know, we sparred a few times.

1237
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:31,199
Speaker 3: I know, I just know how he operates from from

1238
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,920
what I know from from the encounters we have. You know,

1239
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,280
we've been in We've been in the same spaces since

1240
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,280
we were about ten, you know what I'm saying.

1241
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,679
Speaker 4: So that's a long time. And my dad coached him on.

1242
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:47,039
Speaker 3: The on the National Golden Gloves team to a to

1243
00:57:47,079 --> 00:57:50,320
a national title, uh, to win the National Golden Gloves.

1244
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,639
Speaker 4: So it's just it's it's it's a lot of factors there.

1245
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I do get to feel out, I do you think

1246
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,039
the feeling there's a lot. You know, you guys may

1247
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:58,800
not be best friends, but like you said, you're familiar

1248
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,239
that there's definitely a healthy respect for peing you guys.

1249
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:05,239
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure. It's definitely healthy. Respect cool, Like you.

1250
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying outside of the outside of the boxing,

1251
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,239
Like you know what I'm saying outside of the boxing

1252
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:09,480
and the.

1253
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:11,239
Speaker 4: Ek me I'm cool.

1254
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,639
Speaker 3: I mean like, if you ask him, he'll be He'll

1255
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:15,239
tell you that we folks like people.

1256
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,199
Speaker 4: So it's cool, all right.

1257
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: I got to ask this though. You know you are

1258
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,360
from Washington, d C. You had a great crowd at

1259
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,320
your fight in June. He's from Baltimore, that's, you know,

1260
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,079
just up the road I'm in. I live in that area,

1261
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:30,679
so I know the rivalry. Uh you know that. So

1262
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,440
it felt like this is a DMV fight Capitol One Arena.

1263
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,599
He had a huge gate there when he fought the

1264
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,679
guy you beat for the title in Hector Luis Garcia.

1265
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,400
You had a great crowd for years. DC would be

1266
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,320
absolutely going crazy Baltimore for this fight. So nothing against Brooklyn, York.

1267
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,239
Wonderful venue, great fight city obviously, Barclay Center, first class

1268
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:51,239
all the way, covered many many fights there. How in

1269
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,119
the world is this fight not in the DMV Washington

1270
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:54,400
d C.

1271
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: Tell me about it, I think So, you know, he's

1272
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,199
a superstar, so I'm pretty sure. Like I'm thinking they're

1273
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,480
thinking about how the crowd is normally for you know,

1274
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:12,679
pro Jamonte and the crowd in DC would definitely be

1275
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:15,599
at least fifty to fifty.

1276
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: And that's just at least so that might be a thing.

1277
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:20,599
Probably didn't want me.

1278
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:24,159
Speaker 3: To have a home field advantage or what.

1279
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:26,119
Speaker 4: Application may be. But we could have did it anywhere

1280
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:28,480
in the area. Honestly, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1281
00:59:29,039 --> 00:59:31,880
did you want it in the area? I would have.

1282
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,159
Speaker 3: Preferred it, Yeah, But to me, he man, we could

1283
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:37,960
fight in Africa for all I can.

1284
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:40,639
Speaker 1: All right, so when you go into the ring, I mean,

1285
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,119
we all know Gervonte Davis is a tremendous puncher. Doesn't

1286
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,079
throw a lot of punches, but he's knocked out virtually

1287
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,320
everybody and he's just been a dominating figure. You are

1288
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,920
obviously more of a supreme boxer. You didn get a

1289
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,920
knockout of your last fight, though, so I wonder how

1290
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,840
do you plan to deal with that punching power?

1291
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:02,039
Speaker 3: Should we bespawn bigger guys and uh we're gonnaspawn guys that.

1292
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 4: Are considered punchers.

1293
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,079
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, it's a totally different story once you

1294
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:07,800
get in there than ay ounces and oh.

1295
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,159
Speaker 4: But I've been punching him. I've been pushing the face.

1296
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:12,719
Speaker 3: When I was Now you though, man, like you know

1297
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,960
what I'm saying, Like if his better think a little more,

1298
01:00:17,079 --> 01:00:18,679
you know what I'm saying, they might sting a little more.

1299
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:19,719
Speaker 4: They're gonna sting a little more.

1300
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,639
Speaker 3: But trust me, I like to think I got a chin,

1301
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,519
never been down an amateur or professional, never been hurt like

1302
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,440
to like to the chin or whatever the case may be.

1303
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 4: So it is what it is. Like we ready.

1304
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,719
Speaker 3: Then the thing is, we're gonna see how he.

1305
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,199
Speaker 4: Reacts when he gets hit by my my punches.

1306
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, if you've been getting hits into or not,

1307
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,039
I'll just say, better at you than me from that standpoint.

1308
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,400
And I looked over his record just as I was

1309
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,320
getting ready to talk to you, and I was sort

1310
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,039
of thinking to myself, Okay, he fought an older, sort

1311
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,960
of not near his best gamboa who was obviously a

1312
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,000
great boxer, electrifying talent and a gold medal winner in

1313
01:00:56,039 --> 01:00:57,920
the Olympics, but he wasn't at his best if you

1314
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,599
take him out of the equation. I was looking and like,

1315
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:03,280
you're still a top press prime guy World champ. Uh.

1316
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,719
I feel like looking at that record that Lamar Roach junr.

1317
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,119
Is probably the best pure boxer he'll ever have faced

1318
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:12,000
so far in his professional career. What is your what

1319
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:13,559
is your take on that that maybe you've got the

1320
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,880
skills to really cause him some trouble with the boxing

1321
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,800
ability that you possess.

1322
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: That's a fact that everything you just said is definitely

1323
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:22,320
a fact.

1324
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:23,639
Speaker 4: It's a fact for sure.

1325
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,199
Speaker 3: And they know that though I think they're going to

1326
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,840
prepare they I think I know they're going to prepare

1327
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,599
for you know, what I have to bring to the table,

1328
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,199
Like they know that one hundred for a fact that

1329
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:39,400
I'm the best all around like boxer that he's going.

1330
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,119
Speaker 4: To be in a ring with.

1331
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: When they talk about who they want to see a

1332
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,119
tank fight, I'll wrap up with this. Uh. They talk

1333
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:48,440
about wanting to see a tank against of course Stevenson

1334
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,679
a unification. They talk about a ta Fimo Lopez fight.

1335
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,679
There's been a lot of conversation they tried to make

1336
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,679
recently a Lomachenko fight. He elected to take some time off. Uh.

1337
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
They don't mention Lamar Roach I've hurt people like kind

1338
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,639
of poo pooh, the fight, say, you know, not much.

1339
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,760
He's you know, they're upset about the fight. I'm like,

1340
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:08,679
why this is a really good boxer against a really

1341
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:11,599
good puncher. They got that rivalry from the home you know,

1342
01:02:11,639 --> 01:02:14,320
from the home region, And so when they don't mention

1343
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,440
your name and they kind of overlook you and I'm

1344
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,559
not just kissing your rand because we're doing the interview,

1345
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:22,480
I kind of think it's unfair. But why do you

1346
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:24,440
think that that is that they look at those other

1347
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:28,039
names but they don't include Alamont Roach Junior in that

1348
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:31,159
conversation of like a worthy opponent for Tank Davis.

1349
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

1350
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,119
Speaker 3: Mainly probably because I'm not known to a lot of

1351
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:42,039
casual fans and people who don't really know or are

1352
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:47,559
in tune with boxing and it's boxing it in its entirety,

1353
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,719
you know what I'm saying, Like, some people really just

1354
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,440
don't know, so that might be a factor. And like

1355
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,280
I said, he's a megas, he's a megastar as a superstar,

1356
01:02:58,719 --> 01:03:04,199
and he has been knocking everybody out, so you know

1357
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:05,639
what I'm saying, Like, so you know what I'm saying,

1358
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:10,639
Like there's pieces that go together that would make people

1359
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:13,159
say what they say about the fight or whatever the

1360
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,239
case may be. I'm not a worthy opponent, but for real, real,

1361
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:19,000
I got a lot of profanity for them.

1362
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 4: That's about it, all right.

1363
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,599
Speaker 1: So then to the final question that what would a

1364
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:26,000
victory mean to you, not only a world title, but

1365
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:27,639
knocking off you know, like you said one of the

1366
01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:29,000
biggest stars in boxing.

1367
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,239
Speaker 4: That it's gonna it's gonna mean so much to me.

1368
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,079
Speaker 3: But it's definitely gonna uh, it's definitely just gonna be this,

1369
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,599
that's gonna this is gonna be the start of my

1370
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,800
my legacy, brun you know, like you know how some

1371
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,559
people have a run like Roy Jones was champion and

1372
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:49,119
so many way claus for teen years. Pak yall moved

1373
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:53,480
up from one twelve all the way to fifty four

1374
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:55,760
to knock everybody. Like you know what I'm saying, a

1375
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,800
staple in it. This is my staple right here, because

1376
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,400
trust me, after this, I'm gonna go banana.

1377
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:02,639
Speaker 4: Trust me.

1378
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,599
Speaker 1: All Right, Well, that's big words. I'll look forward to

1379
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,400
seeing if you can back them up on March first

1380
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,920
at Barclayson and Brooklyn Lamont. Thank you very much for

1381
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:10,199
the time.

1382
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 4: I wish you the best luck in the fight, all right, No,

1383
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,400
doubt appreciate you.

1384
01:04:14,519 --> 01:04:17,519
Speaker 2: All right, again that fight coming next weekend for March

1385
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,360
one fight we coming up and again you got a

1386
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,360
chance to see him. I'm still can we just say this,

1387
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,800
I'm still puzzled how they couldn't make this happen at

1388
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,320
least in the region, the Baltimore Washington region, find a

1389
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,599
venue because that angle you kept talking about, that angle,

1390
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,199
the fact that it's in Brooklyn, New York. You could

1391
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:39,800
have put it in Las Vegas, you could put it

1392
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,480
on the Moon. It's not the same as the regional

1393
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:43,960
hatred there from Lamont and Broach in Tank Davis. That's

1394
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:44,920
me saying that go ahead.

1395
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, there's definitely not hatred between these

1396
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,000
two guys. There's a healthy competition, no doubt about it.

1397
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,079
They did fight twice as amateurs, as you heard Lamont

1398
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:54,920
talk about. He did lose. What he said, we're two

1399
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,960
closest fights and the amateurs, but he competed these guys.

1400
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,920
They respect each other, I believe. I don't think there's hate. Uh,

1401
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,360
they're not enemies, but they're competitors. They both want to win. Obviously.

1402
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,440
I like I like Roach's confidence. I like the fact

1403
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,039
that he talked about how he's never been really badly

1404
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,519
hurt or knocked down or or or or you know

1405
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,280
it rocked in any particular way. As a pro, He's

1406
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,320
fought some good fighters. I know a lot of people

1407
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,119
dumped on the fight when it was made. I've never

1408
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,920
been one to think this was like a bad fight.

1409
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:24,239
You know, if you said to me, is it the

1410
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,039
number one fight that you wanted to see travant to

1411
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:29,039
Davis take part in? I would be less than honest

1412
01:05:29,079 --> 01:05:32,000
if I said yes. But you know, I can't make

1413
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,119
him fight certain guys. But if you're going for Lamont

1414
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:38,519
roach a regional arrival, a world champion in his own right,

1415
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:42,719
who's got the balls to do the fight against you,

1416
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,360
and he's not afraid to do so, and and he's

1417
01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,840
a good boxer, you know, he's the best probably pure

1418
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,360
boxer that Tank Davis will have face if you take

1419
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,280
a look at Tank's resume, Like, I think it's an

1420
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,159
interesting matchup. Uh, And I hope it's a good fight.

1421
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: Let's hope. So we'll talk more about it next week,

1422
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,440
shall we rap with some nostalgia? And Uh, I always

1423
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,440
when this comes around, I always look forward to talking

1424
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,280
about just how massive the crowd was It was thirty

1425
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,159
two years ago today, Dan Rayfield February twentieth, nineteen ninety

1426
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,719
three that Julio Cesar, Chavez and Greg Haggins set the

1427
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,360
all time outdoor record for the biggest.

1428
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: Boxing outdoor or indoor.

1429
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 2: Yes, from one hundred and well indoor obviously, Rayfaeld, Well, yeah,

1430
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,920
the biggest one hundred and thirty two thousand people, and

1431
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:37,800
as Texas died, I'm still blown away, even with seats

1432
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,599
on the soccer pitch, on the soccer how did they

1433
01:06:40,639 --> 01:06:44,440
fit one hundred and thirty two thousand in Well, they

1434
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,760
did last two hundred and forty seven one thirty Did

1435
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,840
you do the official Ticke account? One thirty two to

1436
01:06:50,159 --> 01:06:52,280
forty seven, one hundred and thirty two thousand, two hundred

1437
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,519
and forty seven people as Texas Stadium, Mexico City, people

1438
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:59,960
on top of people, on top of people, and Chavez

1439
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,199
beat the crap out of Greg Hagins. You did a

1440
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:05,440
whole whole lot of crap talking, a whole lot of

1441
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,400
baiting and boasting about what he was going to do,

1442
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:10,559
and Chavez brutally beat him up.

1443
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,239
Speaker 1: He made the mistake of saying that Java is that

1444
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,000
all he had done was fight you want.

1445
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: To cab drivers?

1446
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Java showed him that he was in that

1447
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,199
same level. By the way, it's an outdoor stadium that's gigantic,

1448
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:23,960
and when you put him on the field, you can

1449
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,239
get even that much more people on it. It was

1450
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,440
a spectacle of spectacles.

1451
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: You have to remember me comprehend aren't They just fought

1452
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,239
in the Louisian I mean, I'm sorry, they just had

1453
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:36,199
the Super Bowl in Louisiana. Super Dome right all right?

1454
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,320
That building, because I've been in there so many different times,

1455
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,199
has about seventy five thousand seats. Okay, So for the

1456
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,559
Ali Speinks fight, they had somewhere in the neighborhood of

1457
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:50,800
what sixty sixty five thousand putting seats. I can't fathom

1458
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:55,000
fifty thousand more people in that super Dome, That's what

1459
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,639
well I can put it like, that's ridiculous.

1460
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: The biggest I've ever been in yes sports event ever.

1461
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:05,079
I was at Wembley Stadium in twenty seventeen when Vladimir

1462
01:08:05,159 --> 01:08:08,480
Klitschko fought Anthony Joshua, right, and the attendance for that

1463
01:08:08,519 --> 01:08:11,440
fight was, like I think it was. They they got

1464
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,320
it up to the maximum that the that London City

1465
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,239
officials would allow. I believe it was eighty thousand. Now

1466
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,880
later they actually expanded it. They gave them a variance

1467
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,600
for one of the Tyson Fury fights and they got like, what.

1468
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 2: The dun fight.

1469
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't ninety it was still in the eighties,

1470
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,600
I believe. But the point is that and I just

1471
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,600
picturing like being in Wembley, if you stuck in lut

1472
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,680
of thirty thousand, you might not realize.

1473
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: Where would you put them? Exactly where would you put another.

1474
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: That many people as Texas Stadium is not a technological

1475
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,159
you know, facility, so if you're watching there, aren't like

1476
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,039
if you're in Cowboys Stadium, for example, where I've covered

1477
01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:53,960
many fights. No matter if you're in the last row,

1478
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:56,560
you can still have an amazing view because you got

1479
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,239
the gigantic you know, HD screens that are look like

1480
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,439
they're sitting on your lap. In Mexico City, you're looking

1481
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,640
at like little ants like you can't really see.

1482
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,199
Speaker 2: But certain technology nineteen ninety three technology, you did not

1483
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,359
have video boards all that you're absolutely right.

1484
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,319
Speaker 1: Well not that big anyway, even had a video board,

1485
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,439
not certainly, not like Cowboys stadium, which is indoors, so

1486
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,359
they can have it hanging from the roof. There's no

1487
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,720
roof on As Texas Stadium. But I'm making the point

1488
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,720
here that Chavez was a legendary figure at this point

1489
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,159
when he's fighting Greg Hagan, he's defending the WBC's junior

1490
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:34,000
welterweight title. He is right in his prime. This is

1491
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:37,600
the dead prime. This actually may have been his most

1492
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,119
prime fight of his entire career against Greg Hougan. This

1493
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:45,079
is still three fights before he fights Whitaker, when it

1494
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:48,720
was number one versus number two for pound for pound supremacy,

1495
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,640
but he had been This is like about ten or

1496
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,680
so fights removed from his amazing victory against Meldrek Taylor.

1497
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,840
He is in his fucking prime. Ye the great Chavez

1498
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:03,600
at his greatest, and he absolutely destroyed and pummeled Greg Hougan,

1499
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,279
who you know, played the villain role absolutely beautifully in

1500
01:10:06,319 --> 01:10:10,760
this fight. Made even even if you're you know, even

1501
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,479
he didn't like Chobbs, you probably wanted to see and

1502
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:13,880
beat the shed out of Greg Hougan by the time

1503
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,199
this fight actually took place. And he did that in

1504
01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:18,560
five rounds and he just absolutely you know, he was

1505
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,359
up on all three score cards by a shutout, forty

1506
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,520
thirty five on two cards, forty thirty three on another

1507
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,000
one of the cards, and he had been knocked down

1508
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,760
in the fifth round, and when he got up, Chobb

1509
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,000
has just landed a barrage of shots and the referee

1510
01:10:32,199 --> 01:10:34,479
finally stopped the fight. I mean, he gave him just

1511
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,920
a vicious down home. What's the old saying from the

1512
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,000
great line in HBO's Legendary Knights series when they were

1513
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,760
doing the episode about Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis, it

1514
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,079
was about it was Tommy Brooks, who was a trainer

1515
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:53,000
had worked with Tyson saying that was such a that

1516
01:10:53,039 --> 01:10:55,960
was such a beating. You know, even Grandma's lifestyle couldn't

1517
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,880
clean him up. I mean, that's the kind of beating

1518
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,319
that he gave to Greg Hougan that night.

1519
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: I do remember because it's Steve Albert, Bobby Chez and

1520
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:05,399
the fight doctor Ferdy Pacheco on the showtime call, and

1521
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,720
I think Chez is the one bringing it up. But

1522
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,920
they're bringing up he's torturing him right now. He could

1523
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,319
have maybe finished him off in the second or the

1524
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:15,399
third round, but he's torturing him in a fourth round

1525
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,680
and a fifth round vintage Chavez for sure. And I

1526
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,560
know we talked recently on the pod about him suffering

1527
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,600
the loss the following year to Frankie Randall. This is

1528
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,479
after the controversial draw with Pernell Whitaker as well, But

1529
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,800
on that night, in that setting, it's tough to argue

1530
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,920
about him being the greatest Mexican champion ever. And for now,

1531
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,119
for the I mean, I know the Canelo fans want

1532
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,000
to talk about Canelo in the present day, but good lord,

1533
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:43,960
one hundred and thirty two thousand people and the man

1534
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:45,760
delivered and put the brutal beat down on the.

1535
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: American It's funny you say that he fights Hogen in

1536
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,760
February of ninety three while we're talking about on the anniversary.

1537
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,479
Then you mentioned the following year he had the upset

1538
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,760
loss to Frankie Randall. Do you know that between the

1539
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,199
Hagen fight and the Randall fight was the separated by

1540
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,720
eleven months, So if it was today, it might have

1541
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,279
been his next fight or two fights.

1542
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 2: Later, right, certainly a couple of fights.

1543
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: Right after he beat Hagen, he fought a non title

1544
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,680
fight against Silvio Rojas in Mexico. He defended the title

1545
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,520
against Terrence Ali, another great performance. Then he had the

1546
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,920
draw against Pearnel Whittaker. Then he came back in a

1547
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,399
non title fight in Mexico against Mike Powell. Then he

1548
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,760
had another pay per view main event against Andy Holligan

1549
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,800
in December of ninety three, and then he fought Frankie

1550
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,800
Randall in January. He fought in nineteen ninety three. He

1551
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,560
fought what one, two, three, four, five, one two, three, four,

1552
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,319
Six times he fought in January. And this is Chavez

1553
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,560
as such some prospect. He was like pound for pound

1554
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,399
number one, fighting six times and in the in in

1555
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,760
among those six fights, Hogan, Terrence Sali, Peonel Whittaker, Andy

1556
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,640
Holligan all like legit fights. Holligan was undefeated. Obviously, Parnel

1557
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,920
Whittaker was a mega fight, and Terrence Ali was a

1558
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,920
good contender. So it's it's just a different it's a

1559
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,399
different world from thirty years ago. Say, also, you know

1560
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,520
when we talk about the big Don King pay per

1561
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,439
views and a lot of there's been a lot of

1562
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,560
discussion those because what's going on with the Riot card,

1563
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,960
how stacked the loaded it is back in its day

1564
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:15,279
when when Chavez was with King and he was putting

1565
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:18,119
on these big fights with Chavez and also with Mike Tyson.

1566
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,439
This was one of those cards that at the time

1567
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,600
was like a big card. They called it the Grand

1568
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,920
Slam of Boxing because besides a huge fight between Chavez

1569
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,199
and Hagan in the one hundred and thirty some thousand

1570
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,880
you know in attendance, they also had Terry Norris defending

1571
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,600
the WBC one hundred and fifty four pound title against

1572
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,039
Maurice Blocker, who had been a welterweight champion that was

1573
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:39,680
on this undercard. The Great a Zuma Nelson was fighting

1574
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,279
Gabriel Rouillis, which is another big deal fight in a

1575
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,520
one hundred and thirty pound world title fight. And they

1576
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,119
also had Michael Nunn, who at the time was a

1577
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:50,039
super middleweight champion who was looked at as a potential

1578
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:52,359
heir apparent on the pound for PALMSS. He was on

1579
01:13:52,399 --> 01:13:55,279
this card in the title defense, so that was considered

1580
01:13:55,319 --> 01:13:57,000
a big, big pay per view back in those days.

1581
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,279
And King Giddo was on a regular basis, and obviously

1582
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:00,399
Chavez was the event.

1583
01:14:01,119 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: How about that?

1584
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, one hundred thirty two thousand, two

1585
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,000
hundred and forty seven tickets I have one of those tickets,

1586
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
and I posted my picture but on Twitter earlier today.

1587
01:14:10,359 --> 01:14:13,159
Speaker 2: What what's the I'm just curious, what's the section and

1588
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,439
what's the row? And have you gone to Azteca Stadium

1589
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,760
to see how high up that's the seat was for

1590
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,119
a while, I would love that.

1591
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,079
Speaker 1: I have been in Mexico on a number of occasions,

1592
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:25,279
including the cover boxing, but never in Mexico City. I'm

1593
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:28,640
looking at the picture right here, I'm in section A three,

1594
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,079
row eight seed thirty one.

1595
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: A three might imply its lower level, maybe even on

1596
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:36,239
the on the pitch.

1597
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:39,079
Speaker 1: I don't know I was in the what's what's what's

1598
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:40,960
the word dorata in Mexico mean?

1599
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1600
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: I was in in the dorada zone? Whatever that means?

1601
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,159
Speaker 2: What the dorata? I gotta I gotta look that up.

1602
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,520
The dorada in English. I'm just looking real quick. Is

1603
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:55,159
itch d u r A d A d o r

1604
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,199
e d a d o r. So this is why

1605
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:00,439
you gotta be careful with certain words and Spanish and

1606
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:06,399
the different means golden our Spanish friends, dorata is golden, golden.

1607
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 1: So I was in the zone. I was probably a

1608
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:10,680
good see I was in the gold zone.

1609
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 2: Look at that. All right, So you got the ticket,

1610
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,119
You've got that up on your substack.

1611
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: Man, I got on my tweet on your tweet.

1612
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 2: Check it out Twitter x. So we have had a

1613
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,560
preview with all these fights on the read card. Again,

1614
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,439
God willing, no changes. We're going to handicap the top

1615
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,760
four fights off this card on the bet Us Boxing

1616
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,520
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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,760
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1621
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:50,760
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1622
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,000
of the other title fights that are in and around

1623
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,359
it for Saturday. With that, my friend, let's regroup for

1624
01:15:57,399 --> 01:16:01,119
tomorrow and if there are any changes, well any more changes,

1625
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:02,640
we'll be talking about it on the bet Us Show

1626
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,359
at one Easter time. Other than that, Dan Rayfield, I

1627
01:16:04,359 --> 01:16:06,760
think we're good, my friend, have a good weekend and

1628
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:07,680
look forward to all of this.

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Speaker 1: Should be a big weekend, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: There is Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ Reeves. Follow her.

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Subscribe on this podcast feed Apple Spreaker, Spotify. We preview

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going into the weekend, will recap no matter what happens

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off the weekend, Sunday Night and Monday with the Fight

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Preaching Night recap. For now, we're good. Enjoy all the fights.

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Thank you for being with us on the Big Fight

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Weekend preview