Speaker 1: This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast
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Speaker 1: mean nursing away is you stand up for what you believe,
Speaker 1: and you tell people what you believe, and you're willing
Speaker 1: to engage in the conversation. And I talk often on
Speaker 1: the show about the day in Colorado where we had
Speaker 1: giants on both sides of the aisle, and there were
Speaker 1: plenty of elected Democrats who you'd put in that category
Speaker 1: and big minds and big action that they took, and
Speaker 1: often I disagreed with their action, but they were always
Speaker 1: willing to have the conversation. So somebody in that class
Speaker 1: and caliber of elected official is a Mike Doherty. Michael
Speaker 1: is the DA up in the Boulder elected Democrat also
Speaker 1: running for attorney General. He's in the primary on the
Speaker 1: Democrats side, and Michael's kind enough to join us today.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a piece he wrote back in twenty three,
Speaker 1: a guest opinion piece on public safety, justice and mental health,
Speaker 1: and it ties directly into this big concern we're talking
Speaker 1: about this week. You know where we're talking about this guy.
Speaker 1: He's on video trying to kidnap a kid from an
Speaker 1: Aurora elementary school, and now it looks like he may
Speaker 1: not face those criminal charges due to mental competency issues. Michael,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the Dan Kapla Show.
Speaker 2: Good affingoon, Dan, and thank you so much for having
Speaker 2: me back. I'm excited to talk to you today.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, my friend. This piece that you wrote
Speaker 1: along with my friend John Kelder when he was an
Speaker 1: elected DA and Michael Allen and Brian Mason as well,
Speaker 1: a bipartisan piece, I think very valuable and very timely
Speaker 1: given what's going on right now. But can you just
Speaker 1: give people an overview of these public safety mental health
Speaker 1: issues within the system and where we run into these
Speaker 1: gaps in.
Speaker 2: The law well, as you highlighted at the top, Dan,
Speaker 2: we have significant challenges right now in the justice system
Speaker 2: due to mental health disorders and the Latin treatment available
Speaker 2: not only to people in the community, but also in
Speaker 2: the justice system and the state hospital. And what we
Speaker 2: highlighted in that bipartisan effort at the end of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three remains true today. So there are number of
Speaker 2: key issues not just hit on them quickly and then
Speaker 2: happen to talk about them in more detail. One is
Speaker 2: that when people are found permanently incompetent to stand trial,
Speaker 2: the court has to dismiss the case. To me, it's
Speaker 2: a failure for public safety, for victims and for our communities.
Speaker 2: That doesn't trigger an automatic admission to a facility. If
Speaker 2: we just take a step back and you think about
Speaker 2: the fact that someone's been found permanently a competent stand
Speaker 2: trial for a criminal case, including a serious case, and
Speaker 2: they're released into the community without treatment and without medication
Speaker 2: and without support, we're not only failing them, we're failing
Speaker 2: future victims and community members that should trigger that finding.
Speaker 2: Are permanently incompetent should trigger automatic admission. The other area
Speaker 2: that we as a bipartisan group of district attorneys highlighted
Speaker 2: and then I remain very concerned about to this day
Speaker 2: is the significant backlog at the state hospital. So, as
Speaker 2: you know, Dan, there are hundreds of people awaiting in mission,
Speaker 2: treatment and evaluation as the state hospital. That has two
Speaker 2: impacts that I think everyone who's listening should be concerned about.
Speaker 2: The first is that if the time that someone's waiting
Speaker 2: to be treated and evaluated is longer than they would
Speaker 2: face if they were sentenced on a case. In other words,
Speaker 2: let's say the maximum sentence is a year and they're
Speaker 2: waiting over a year, the law in Colorado requires that
Speaker 2: they'd be released. And that's not fair to the person
Speaker 2: who's going to chuse. But it's also not fair to anybody
Speaker 2: who's been impacted or could be impacted. And the other
Speaker 2: piece of that is, and this is an issue in
Speaker 2: Boulder County and I'm going to keep pushing and fighting
Speaker 2: to improve this, but that backlog means our Boulder County
Speaker 2: jail is often full. So if you have a police
Speaker 2: department in Boulder County that's making unrest, there are times
Speaker 2: where the Boulder County Jail will not accept that person
Speaker 2: but booking into the jail because they're full due to
Speaker 2: that from the state hospital, which for example, on any
Speaker 2: given day is sixty people awaiting transport. So this is
Speaker 2: impacting those individuals who are deteriorating in seals, but having
Speaker 2: a downstream impact on community safety. I feel passionate about
Speaker 2: it as District Attorney and as candidate four and if
Speaker 2: I have of the honor being elected as Attorney general
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Michael Doherty our guest, Well, well, what's the fix, Michael,
Speaker 1: because right now we can all see what's coming down
Speaker 1: the tracks, and unfortunately it's already come down the tracks
Speaker 1: and killed people. So what's the fix.
Speaker 2: I think it's a couple of things. Some of these
Speaker 2: things are happening at the local level, which is mental
Speaker 2: health diversion programs and competency courts. We now have those
Speaker 2: in Boulder County and there are other jurisdictions in Colorado
Speaker 2: where those steps have been taken, and that's helping at
Speaker 2: the local level to address some of the issues we've
Speaker 2: talked about up to this point. I also would we
Speaker 2: need as a state to see the state hospital improve.
Speaker 2: And that's not just my opinion, of my view because Dan,
Speaker 2: as you know, in twenty nineteen, a federal judge ordered
Speaker 2: annual f to be paid for every year, but the
Speaker 2: state hospital fails to meet national required standards. The taxpayers
Speaker 2: of Colorado, you're listeners, We have been paying these signs
Speaker 2: ever since at a mind boggling cost of ten to
Speaker 2: twelve million dollars per year. So we paid that more
Speaker 2: fifteen million dollars of taxpayer money over the last five
Speaker 2: years because we're not in compliance with the federal judge's order.
Speaker 2: So that's why we need to First of all, that
Speaker 2: money should be put to better use. But second of all,
Speaker 2: it really highlights how many people are suffering given the
Speaker 2: current situation, and there are a lot of people working
Speaker 2: on it. I don't want to diminish that, but we
Speaker 2: need to make progress sooner rather than later because we
Speaker 2: continue to see cases and laves being negatively impacted.
Speaker 1: How much would it cost to comply with the federal
Speaker 1: court's order.
Speaker 2: I think part of the challenge from working with doctors
Speaker 2: and individuals at the state hospital is they have a
Speaker 2: struggle staffing up the state hospital. So part of the
Speaker 2: challenge is getting good, qualified, skilled people to join other
Speaker 2: people who are already working hard down in Pueblo, for example,
Speaker 2: at the state hospital. I mean, ideally, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: we should have regional hospitals available, right, given how many
Speaker 2: people struggle with these issues the justice system.
Speaker 1: But right, isn't that an obvious part of the fix
Speaker 1: is you've got to have that hospital or a version
Speaker 1: of it in the metro area where you got the people.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I certainly agree.
Speaker 1: Dan Again, Michael Doherty our guest. By the way, Michael,
Speaker 1: how can people follow you? And is there a campaign website?
Speaker 2: Yes, thanks for asking, there's a campaign website. It's Michael
Speaker 2: four AG, so Michael forag dot com. I'll also give
Speaker 2: you my email. It's Michael Dougherty, CEO at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: I respond to every email I get, and I really
Speaker 2: encourage people to reach out. I've done that since being
Speaker 2: elected dis attorney in twenty eighteen. I always respond to
Speaker 2: every call on email we receive in the DA's office,
Speaker 2: and that's what I'm doing as a candidate as well.
Speaker 1: Man, that's impressive. Probably tough on the golf game. Probably
Speaker 1: no golf game, right.
Speaker 2: Golf not my thing.
Speaker 1: And you're a lucky man.
Speaker 2: It does impact if you're.
Speaker 1: A lucky man.
Speaker 2: So good reason.
Speaker 1: Heee, What do you think would happen if there was
Speaker 1: a statewide ballot issue and it really just laid out
Speaker 1: a plan that made sense, And because I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of empathy across party lines for people who
Speaker 1: are mentally ill, and there's a lot of fear for
Speaker 1: the much smaller percentage who are dangerously mentally Ill. I
Speaker 1: think Colorado would back a plan if there was a
Speaker 1: chance to do.
Speaker 2: It directly, Dan, that is a great idea, and I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of merit to what you just said,
Speaker 2: and I certainly agree with it. I think you're right
Speaker 2: that so many people have members of their families or
Speaker 2: their circles who are impacted by mental health issues, who
Speaker 2: have such a struggle finding high level treatment that they
Speaker 2: can afford on a regular, consistent basis, And that's reflected
Speaker 2: in the data. According to Mental Health America, we rank
Speaker 2: as a state forty eighth in the nation in mental
Speaker 2: health treatment being provided for those in need. So not
Speaker 2: just in the justice system, our prison system, but people
Speaker 2: who are in the community who are really struggling with
Speaker 2: mental health disorders. And I see from the programs that
Speaker 2: we've built in the Boulder County justice system and the
Speaker 2: Boulder County Jail, which are consistently maxed out and the
Speaker 2: number of people how necessary those programs are. But as
Speaker 2: you know, Coloradens wouldn't want to just throw money away.
Speaker 2: We're going to do a ballot measure, it would have
Speaker 2: to be something that I'm sure, folks, that the money
Speaker 2: is going to be successful and productive and not just
Speaker 2: fall into a black hole. And I want to make
Speaker 2: sure we have a structure there, that people know that
Speaker 2: the money's going to where it needs to be, and
Speaker 2: that we're investing more in the people who are struggling
Speaker 2: and as a result, lifting up the state as.
Speaker 1: A whole man. And I'll tell you if very few
Speaker 1: things would be as important to lifting this state up
Speaker 1: as that. And while we've got to Michael, anything you
Speaker 1: can update us on regarding the horrific attack down there
Speaker 1: on the mall that the people who got burned, unfortunately
Speaker 1: one fatally.
Speaker 2: Yes, And horrific is the word that comes to mind
Speaker 2: for me, Dan, just absolutely terrifying attack on the Pearl
Speaker 2: Street Mall on June first, was still in the early
Speaker 2: stages of the case. But a couple things that I'll
Speaker 2: share with you. First, I greatly appreciate the strong relationships
Speaker 2: we form between the federal, state and local partners that
Speaker 2: we have. So then when from June first forward, from
Speaker 2: the day of the attack on the federal state and
Speaker 2: local agencies involved have strong working relationships and mutual trust
Speaker 2: and respect, that's what the community deserves. It's certainly what
Speaker 2: the victims should have. But that doesn't happen in every jurisdiction,
Speaker 2: and I'm really grateful that we've worked on that over
Speaker 2: the years in Boulda County but also throughout the state
Speaker 2: of Colorado. As a result, we're able to respond in
Speaker 2: force and give this case everything that it deserves. And
Speaker 2: today we are scheduled for earplimentary hearing. We were prepared
Speaker 2: with a detective from the bold of Police Department. The
Speaker 2: lead detective was going to testified to show the court
Speaker 2: that we have evidence to support problem cause for the
Speaker 2: charges moving forward, and at the last minute, the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the wave the pliminary hearings we have the
Speaker 2: same outcome, thankfully, and now we move forward to the
Speaker 2: defendant's arrayment on September ninth at one point thirty And
Speaker 2: if people are interested in following the case, all the proceedings,
Speaker 2: not just for this case, but for every case in
Speaker 2: Colorado are available over live stream, and I should since
Speaker 2: I'm on with you right now. Also mentioned, as I'm
Speaker 2: required by the ethical rules that the defendant, of course
Speaker 2: is innocent and lesson until proven guilty, and the charges
Speaker 2: are merely allegations. And what I want to emphasize is
Speaker 2: I can promise you we're going to work tirelessly to
Speaker 2: fight for justice in that case. I've been a prosecutor
Speaker 2: for twenty eight years and this case is just horrific,
Speaker 2: beyond words, and we're going to fight to make sure
Speaker 2: the defendant's helpfully accountable and that we support the victims
Speaker 2: and their families every step of the way.
Speaker 1: Well, no doubt you will do that. And hey, can
Speaker 1: you give that email again, because I'm sure there are
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks in the audience who are very
Speaker 1: surprised to hear you give out your email and that
Speaker 1: you respond to emails.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm happy to do it. So it's Michael Daugherty
Speaker 2: COO at gmail dot com. Michael doughertyco at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: I encourage folks to reach out and then I think
Speaker 2: you'll understand this and appreciate this. I'm honored to have
Speaker 2: bipartisan support, so not just Democratic district attorneys and sheriffs,
Speaker 2: but also some of the Republican district attorneys and sheriffs
Speaker 2: are supporting my campaign because it's about leading with integrity
Speaker 2: and doing justice without a concern for political affiliation. And
Speaker 2: that's what I am committed to bring into the Attorney
Speaker 2: General's office and making sure that we make decisions and
Speaker 2: fight for Colorado based on the rule of law and
Speaker 2: get away from the hyper partisanship and divisiveness that we
Speaker 2: see in too many campaigns and too many statewide officials.
Speaker 1: Right now. Well, you know a lot of people talk
Speaker 1: to talk on bipartisanship. You've lived it, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people respect that a lot, including obviously me.
Speaker 1: So hey, appreciate you being with us and we'll look
Speaker 1: forward to the next one.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Dan, I really appreciate it was
Speaker 2: great talking to you and I hope you have a
Speaker 2: wonderful day you too.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Then its one Michael Doherty, the DA up
Speaker 1: in Bold, so he will respond to your email. Dick
Speaker 1: Wadam's in the house.
Speaker 3: You're on the Dan Caplish And now back to the
Speaker 3: Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 1: Ryan that Dan, Dick. That sort of brought me back
Speaker 1: to the good old days when we used to have
Speaker 1: a bunch of Democrats on it. And Michael Doherty, the
Speaker 1: Democrat DA in Boulder joined us. Talk about this big
Speaker 1: gap in the criminal justice system when it comes to
Speaker 1: mental health, and you can have some people they can't
Speaker 1: even charge because they're deemed mentally incompetent and then under
Speaker 1: some circumstances they can just walk out the door, you know,
Speaker 1: just as ticking time bomb. And so he was talking
Speaker 1: about some fixes to all of that. So Michael's running
Speaker 1: for Attorney General in the DEMP side against Jenna Griswold.
Speaker 1: How do you see that race shape up?
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, she has a big advantage. She's been a
Speaker 4: Secretary of State for now almost eight years. She's raising
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of money.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: One of the things she did that was probably smart
Speaker 4: from her standpoint, Dan is she she constantly is going
Speaker 4: on MSNBC to share her hatred of Donald Trump. Well,
Speaker 4: she's created kind of a national fundraising base from that.
Speaker 4: But you know, I was sitting here listening to Michael
Speaker 4: and I don't know him. He's so impressive, and I'm
Speaker 4: and while we were you were doing the interview, I
Speaker 4: got yet another one of what is a daily email
Speaker 4: asking for money from Griswold, And every every email is nothing,
Speaker 4: but I hate Donald Trump, and as AG I will
Speaker 4: confront Donald Trump. And I'm thinking she could no more
Speaker 4: have had that conversation you just had with Michael Doherty, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just kind of depressive.
Speaker 1: I know he is very impressive, and I know he
Speaker 1: and I disagree on some important issues, but he is bipartisan, yes,
Speaker 1: and when it comes to criminal justice and law enforcement
Speaker 1: and all that, he is a serious cat.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the real deal. But but Dicky Griswold, is
Speaker 1: this going for? She's a great unifier? I mean, who
Speaker 1: else could unify the US Supreme Court? Nine zip?
Speaker 3: But there there you go, who else could?
Speaker 1: That's true?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah again, they're not nine zip on pizza.
Speaker 4: Even the three hardcore liberals on the course said no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah way, yeah, yeah, what a chakra the people of
Speaker 1: Colorado get to Donald Trump on the bad Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was so she could go in front of the
Speaker 4: court and grand stand at a news conference.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I understand she's got all the money.
Speaker 1: But two words. New coke? Did you ever drink new coke?
Speaker 1: Did you ever try coke? Was horrible? You actually tried?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you try new coke?
Speaker 6: Right, the same exact reaction as Dick did as a youngster.
Speaker 6: And how much did they spend on the camp?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's notorious, like billions of dollars on new coke.
Speaker 1: But it tasted, it was horrible. So that that's why
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, Jenna Griswold's got all this money, but
Speaker 1: Coloraden's are not stupid. And and I mean she's been
Speaker 1: I think most people would agree a terrible secretary of state. Yes,
Speaker 1: And when it comes to attorney general, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance those Dem voters maybe I'm
Speaker 1: giving them too much credit, but secretary attorney general, you
Speaker 1: start to think about, well, is that a public safety
Speaker 1: thing too? And when it comes to that, do I
Speaker 1: want a real lawman or law woman instead of are
Speaker 1: kind of failed secretary of state?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. I mean, you know, there are
Speaker 4: sixty four county clerks dan and the majority are Republican
Speaker 4: because the rural counties are mostly Republican. But a lot
Speaker 4: of the Democratic clerks do not like her at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, they are the ones who really are on
Speaker 4: the front line of implementing elections and she is nothing
Speaker 4: but an obstacle to her their work there.
Speaker 1: And I asked this not as a playground thing, but literally,
Speaker 1: what would there be tolike, right? I mean, just truly
Speaker 1: as an elected official, a public servant, what would there
Speaker 1: possibly be tolike you know, the I hate Trump thing.
Speaker 1: That's got to get old after a while. Yeah, particularly
Speaker 1: when passwords are getting posted on websites and things like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, so yeah, and remember the leak of the passwords
Speaker 4: of the Electra equipment, right, you know that she didn't
Speaker 4: tell the clerks for months and then she then she
Speaker 4: really refused to really reveal what happened. And in the meantime,
Speaker 4: the Denver District Attorney and the Attorney General Colorado basically said, oh,
Speaker 4: there's nothing here they covered for and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Again, but because politically they just feel untouchable and right
Speaker 1: at every single level, which is a great transition into Hey,
Speaker 1: what's the state of the GOP the state of politics
Speaker 1: in Colorado right now? To GOP candidates have any chance
Speaker 1: in these big state wide races coming up. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about that after the break. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the piece you published today on hey, do away
Speaker 1: with these campaign finance limits for political parties? And I
Speaker 1: think your position is altogether total and just have nothing anonymous.
Speaker 1: If you're going to give money, you know you can
Speaker 1: give as much as you want whoever you want. But
Speaker 1: you can't do it anonymous, right, Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court is where you are and would
Speaker 1: love to hear from folks on that. And your nickname
Speaker 1: Lightning Rod is that hyphenata? Yeah, So if anybody wants
Speaker 1: to talk and have a conversation, we have reached some
Speaker 1: world record blood pressure levels on this show when you
Speaker 1: have been in here with me. So let's do it again.
Speaker 1: Let's break that record. You're on the Dan Capitalist.
Speaker 3: Show, you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 5: There's only maybe a half dozen seven eight categories that
Speaker 5: really matter most people, you know, they major in minor things.
Speaker 5: They focus on stuff that doesn't matter. They know more
Speaker 5: about this celebrity going in and out of rehab than
Speaker 5: they do about their own personal development. But I look
Speaker 5: at and say, if you look at your body without that,
Speaker 5: everything else is out the door. You don't want to
Speaker 5: be richest man in the graveyard. That's not going to
Speaker 5: do it. If there is energy, if there's metality of
Speaker 5: their strength, it's going to show up in your relationship.
Speaker 5: It's going to show up in your business, show up
Speaker 5: in your life. That's it here. You got a master.
Speaker 5: You can't dabble. It's too important are everything. I mean,
Speaker 5: you got a ton of money, you got everybody loves you,
Speaker 5: and your primary emotions are pissed off and frustrated. Then
Speaker 5: your life's pissed off and frustrated. Doesn't matter. I you've
Speaker 5: got a billion dollars or a million people loving you.
Speaker 5: Your life is not great relationships, intimate relationships especially, It's
Speaker 5: where the most juice in life comes from, is where
Speaker 5: the most pain comes from. Most people, it's worth mastering
Speaker 5: instead of dad.
Speaker 1: One can't argue with that. You know what I'm doing, Dick,
Speaker 1: is we've been studying failure right, because we're studying Polus's term,
Speaker 1: and you have partisanship and everything aside eight years and
Speaker 1: everything important is worse in Colorado. Right, legacy project is
Speaker 1: going to be this goofy bridge over Broadway, when if
Speaker 1: he just do his job, Broadway would look okay. But
Speaker 1: so I want to spend an equal time, equal amount
Speaker 1: of time on studying success and people who've been successful. Hey,
Speaker 1: do you ever listen to any Tony Robbins? Don't know,
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, But Ryan, Ryan, have
Speaker 1: you ever listened to any Tony Robbins?
Speaker 6: I love him, and he's actually a central figure in
Speaker 6: one of my favorite movies, Shallow Hell, Jack Black and
Speaker 6: Jason Alexander.
Speaker 1: You're in the four people who've seen Shallow.
Speaker 6: I'm going to bet you money out of my pocket
Speaker 6: that Amy has seen Shallow.
Speaker 1: I will ask her tonight. I will ask her tonight
Speaker 1: since our second date was dumb and dumber and we
Speaker 1: saw it twice.
Speaker 4: And we'll still marriage you, real, quich That.
Speaker 1: Is a question we get all the time, is why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people don't even have to ask the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows the rest of the question.
Speaker 6: Why real quick synopsis on Tony Robbins as the central character.
Speaker 6: He does like this kind of mind meld with Jack
Speaker 6: Black and hypnotizes him. And unless Jason Alexander says, says
Speaker 6: shallow Hall sees a gal or something like that, he
Speaker 6: can see the most you know, maybe physically outwardly unattractive woman,
Speaker 6: but he sees the beauty within and then I'm going
Speaker 6: to go rent wherever he perceives turns out to be
Speaker 6: Gwyneth Paltrow and it's a very interesting thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I can't wait, can't wait to watch that. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: next life. But anyway, all I'm saying is is I
Speaker 1: think he has a lot of great stuff, a lot
Speaker 1: of great stuff, and just the nature of this job,
Speaker 1: you have to talk about failure so often because these
Speaker 1: failures are getting people killed. Want to focus on some
Speaker 1: of the positive.
Speaker 4: Well, if Ryan recommends the movie, I'm going.
Speaker 1: To go see that. But truly, I mean, just just
Speaker 1: go online YouTube op some Tony Robbins.
Speaker 4: I haven't never heard any of his stuff. I really haven't. No, Dan,
Speaker 4: I am so I just focus on the day to
Speaker 4: day political and I am immersed in that every day.
Speaker 3: That's what I do.
Speaker 1: He has some great stuff. I dragged Amy off to
Speaker 1: one of his deals, like one of his three day
Speaker 1: deals somewhere, and there was so much good stuff in it.
Speaker 1: But then it got to a point where I forget
Speaker 1: what it was tying into where everybody had to rub
Speaker 1: the back of the person. Oh my lord, that was
Speaker 1: my cue. I was. I was out of there. But
Speaker 1: there was so much good stuff in there. Wow, the
Speaker 1: videos that you don't have to rub anybody's back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have some great stuff. Jennifer and Denver, you're on with
Speaker 1: Dan and Dick.
Speaker 7: Welcome, Oh, thank you very much. I can think of
Speaker 7: two highly successful people on that Stan.
Speaker 8: Caplis and Dick Watam.
Speaker 7: Especially every time I look at John soone, you know,
Speaker 7: standing up there and and running things, I think about
Speaker 7: Dick Watams.
Speaker 2: Wow successful, that was, Thank.
Speaker 1: You, Jennifer. That was the dash el racer. I was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, Dan years and for those not familiar
Speaker 1: with the dash Will was he still Senate majority leader leader?
Speaker 4: He had Democrats, he had he had been the majority
Speaker 4: leader for about four years. Yeah, and then the Republicans
Speaker 4: won the Senate, but he was the minority leader and
Speaker 4: arguably the most powerful Democrat in America at that point.
Speaker 1: He was if I remember, I kind of the face,
Speaker 1: certainly the face he.
Speaker 4: Was the Democratic Party, he was yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: you had never been defeated. He had been in office
Speaker 4: for twenty six years. Nobody'd ever touched him, and it
Speaker 4: just finally caught up with him. And largely because John
Speaker 4: Thune was a spectacular candidate and he's a spectacular majority
Speaker 4: leader I think too right now. Yeah, he's doing a
Speaker 4: great job.
Speaker 1: So Jennifer, thanks for those good memories. Thank you well.
Speaker 8: And look at the impact from that campaign. You know,
Speaker 8: I get frustrated with the people that we continually see
Speaker 8: failing forward, and Jenna Griswold is certainly one of those people.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm so glad Michael Doherty's running against her.
Speaker 8: But my question for Dick is, Michael made some comments,
Speaker 8: you know, when he was talking to you Dan about
Speaker 8: his bipartisanship and about not being the state candidate that
Speaker 8: you know is hyper political. I'm curious does that hurt
Speaker 8: Michael Doherty with the Democratic vote and is he simply
Speaker 8: trying to appeal to that you know, middle of the road,
Speaker 8: maybe that unaffiliated candidate that can't stand either party.
Speaker 4: I've got my thoughts, Dick, Well, I'm you you raise
Speaker 4: a good point. I wonder if there's a room in
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party for a strong prosecutor like Doherty.
Speaker 3: Is I worry?
Speaker 4: I worry about that the Democratic Party has swung so
Speaker 4: far left and she really does have kind of a
Speaker 4: hold on that left wing of the Democratic Party. Now,
Speaker 4: remember in primaries, unaffiliated voters can vote in primaries, and
Speaker 4: so if I were Doherty, I would I would whatever
Speaker 4: campaign money he has, I would run an affiliated campaign
Speaker 4: in the primary, trying to get an affiliates to vote
Speaker 4: for him. And so I don't know if that, if
Speaker 4: he's got enough money to really do that. But she
Speaker 4: is the front runner. I mean, she's a statewide elected official.
Speaker 4: She has raised a lot of money, and she has
Speaker 4: played this anti Trump card very effectively within the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: But you cannot listen to him today, Dan and Jennifer
Speaker 4: and not. This guy's for real. I mean, listen, he's
Speaker 4: more liberal than me and a lot of things. But
Speaker 4: he would be a good attorney general. And I hope
Speaker 4: I didn't just condemn his stampaigne nowhere.
Speaker 1: Griswold's spending her next million, right, yeah with that sound
Speaker 1: But no, this, I think if everybody, say, all those
Speaker 1: voters are going to vote in that primary, if they
Speaker 1: could find out how good Doherty is, he might have
Speaker 1: a real chance. The problem is raising the money so
Speaker 1: people can find out how good you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he gets saw a lot of press Cottridge
Speaker 4: because Boulders had these huge cases up there. I mean,
Speaker 4: and and he's and he does such a good job
Speaker 4: like on the Boulder Mall, the Pearl Street Mall thing,
Speaker 4: which was horrible, and I think he's doing a really
Speaker 4: good job on that. But but she's got millions in
Speaker 4: the bank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I come back to New Coke and and
Speaker 1: and to Jeff Bush right, who was the political equipment
Speaker 1: of New Coke. But here's why I think he would
Speaker 1: actually have a chance is a obviously the merit, But
Speaker 1: I I do think when it comes to public safety,
Speaker 1: I do think that part of the way we're all
Speaker 1: created is to have this overwhelming desire to protect our
Speaker 1: loved ones and ourselves as part of that right. And
Speaker 1: when you're electing an attorney general, you're talking about a
Speaker 1: law enforcement position.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now with a guy like Wiser, you know, at least
Speaker 1: he had been active in the legal world, been a
Speaker 1: US Supreme Court clerk and stuff like that. Doherty, he's
Speaker 1: a real lawman. And I've got to believe people in
Speaker 1: Colorado that people are going to be voting. Know the
Speaker 1: deal with Jenna Griswold, right, she's kind of a career
Speaker 1: politician who, as Jennifer says, is failing forward. And there's
Speaker 1: identity politics and this and that, But when it comes
Speaker 1: to your own safety and that of your family, I
Speaker 1: think you want a real law enforcement person in that position.
Speaker 4: And Dan, I think we are reaching a tipping point
Speaker 4: within Colorado about this whole crime and punishment issue. I
Speaker 4: really I think I think we are starting. Whether it
Speaker 4: will mature enough before the twenty twenty such selection, I
Speaker 4: don't know, but we're I think we're headed that way,
Speaker 4: and that's the good news for a guy like Doherty.
Speaker 4: It would be a good news for a Republican candidate
Speaker 4: for Attorney General as well. I don't know if we're
Speaker 4: if we're going to have a good candidate. There's nobody
Speaker 4: running right now that I know of, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Well, I know some good guys and gals have been
Speaker 1: thinking about it, as you're saying, not in the race yet,
Speaker 1: but Jennifer.
Speaker 7: Other thoughts, Well, you know, as far as the Republican
Speaker 7: candidate running, you.
Speaker 8: Know, the twenty twenty two election was so devastating and
Speaker 8: we haven't done anything as a Republican party to recover
Speaker 8: from that. It almost seems wise.
Speaker 7: God forgive me for saying this, but supporting a.
Speaker 8: Moderate Democrat or somebody who is a law and you know,
Speaker 8: law and ordered.
Speaker 7: Democrat in that office rather than a Jenna Griswold. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know that.
Speaker 8: After Phil Wiser and you know him saying what you
Speaker 8: somebody has to get a fourth DUI before he actually
Speaker 8: sees jail time.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anything that's.
Speaker 7: Worse, Jenna Griswold definitely would be worse. How do you
Speaker 7: get that out to the unaffiliated?
Speaker 1: Well, and don't you think enough of them are going
Speaker 1: to see it for themselves? I mean, what is her
Speaker 1: reputation right now?
Speaker 5: Right? What is?
Speaker 1: And I understand there was probably some deal to get
Speaker 1: her out of the governor's race, you know, where she
Speaker 1: was going to get a lot of money in this,
Speaker 1: in that, But well, what do you think her true
Speaker 1: reputation is? Chief Trump?
Speaker 4: Paiter, Chief Trump Peter. You're right, Dan, But I mean
Speaker 4: I always use the terms incompetent and blindly partisan to
Speaker 4: describe her. I mean, she just is. She has not
Speaker 4: run an effective office. The county clerks bail her out constantly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's not and she runs and I remember she's
Speaker 4: had a revolving door in her office. She's run off staff,
Speaker 4: she's abusive to staff, and that's why they leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jennifer, in our last twenty seconds, are you saying
Speaker 1: that if there's no good Republican candidate for AG, that
Speaker 1: Republicans should swamp the Democrat primary and help Doherty get
Speaker 1: elected in the trust to public Safety.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know that they can because they have to.
Speaker 1: Be forgiven exactly right, let's say conservative unaffiliated.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, I think so. I absolutely think so.
Speaker 8: And it's difficult to say.
Speaker 7: That because you know John Kellner when he ran for
Speaker 7: Attorney General, I thought he would have been fantastic, Yes,
Speaker 7: and he did better than any Republican that year, but
Speaker 7: you couldn't. He couldn't come close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, short of the Good Lord getting on
Speaker 1: the ballot, there are no Republican was going to win
Speaker 1: a year there. But Jennifer appreciate the court. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would too. Hopefully I'll vote for me, But ye have
Speaker 1: stupid comment by me when I talked about Republicans swamping
Speaker 1: that primary. Obviously they can't, but conservative leaning unaffiliateds could.
Speaker 4: Well, And Daniel, you and I both know a lot
Speaker 4: of Republican former Republicans who have switched their affiliation to unaffiliated,
Speaker 4: so they can't have that option to vote in the
Speaker 4: Democratic primary. And I haven't done that and won't do it.
Speaker 4: I'm a republic Ken then I always will be. But
Speaker 4: I know I have a lot of friends who have
Speaker 4: done that. Yeah, So what do you think three or
Speaker 4: three seOne three eight, two five five.
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Speaker 4: Committee hearing that would be most likely the committee where
Speaker 4: a Julian Maxwell would testify.
Speaker 9: Would you be in favor of that? Absolutely? Yes, yes,
Speaker 9: of course we want answers. And no one is satisfied
Speaker 9: with what has been received.
Speaker 1: Or lack thereof.
Speaker 9: No one is satisfied with the rollout of this.
Speaker 1: Of course we've heard that.
Speaker 9: Dan Bongino is not satisfied with the rollout of this either.
Speaker 9: And you know, I mean, I think you hear time
Speaker 9: and time again what an honorable stand up man Dan
Speaker 9: Bongino is President Trump. He obviously thinks highly of Attorney
Speaker 9: General Pam BONDI. I don't know her personally, but I
Speaker 9: know Dan and he's a wonderful man and I have
Speaker 9: no reason to doubt.
Speaker 1: What do you think about this Epstein stuff? Is it
Speaker 1: going to do lasting harm to the President, to the
Speaker 1: GOP coalition, any of that.
Speaker 4: Well, clearly there's a split now with it in Megoland.
Speaker 4: I mean, the president wants his people like Bobert to
Speaker 4: back down and just walk away from this stuff. And
Speaker 4: listening to Congresswoman Bobert, she's not going to do that.
Speaker 1: She's going to continue well, and I don't think people
Speaker 1: should back down. No, no, And I get the President's point.
Speaker 1: You know that that Hey, wait a second, it's Democrats
Speaker 1: who put all of this together, right, and so it's
Speaker 1: probably put together in such a way to make Republicans
Speaker 1: look bad. And you've got innocent people who weren't anywhere
Speaker 1: near any of the horrific child rape stuff. Yeah, and so,
Speaker 1: but but I don't think I think it's acceptable to
Speaker 1: just kind of walk away from it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Why not have two or three highly respected former law
Speaker 1: enforcement types. President says, your job is to go through
Speaker 1: all this and decide what can be public and what
Speaker 1: can't under the law, in fairness to the innocent, you
Speaker 1: can't just let it die here.
Speaker 4: I bet you that were he where he he ends
Speaker 4: up doing that, Dan, and he is not going to
Speaker 4: go away. When you've got people like Bobert who are
Speaker 4: pushing this hard, it ain't going to go away.
Speaker 1: And I think it goes back to this whole two
Speaker 1: tiered Banana republic justice system that nobody wants right now.
Speaker 1: It was part of him winning because he was the
Speaker 1: victim of that. But right now, does anybody really believe
Speaker 1: that that Epstein didn't have a lot of prominent, rich,
Speaker 1: politically connected people who are raping young girls.
Speaker 4: And it defies logic that there was not a quote list.
Speaker 4: I mean you know that, you just know some kind
Speaker 4: of record was kept of all that behavior.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be a record of who's on
Speaker 1: the plane. And that doesn't mean all of them were
Speaker 1: part of the race, but who's on the plane? But
Speaker 1: were they supporting him in other ways? And then yeah,
Speaker 1: there's got to be more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think the president has got to
Speaker 4: deal with this, and because it's not going to go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's on a role in so many of
Speaker 1: the different ways that you just can't let this thing. No.
Speaker 4: He christ and he's he's had a very successful presidency
Speaker 4: and he's done so much in a short period of time.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure he thinks, why are they driving this
Speaker 4: when I'm doing so much over here? Why do they
Speaker 4: care about this?
Speaker 2: But he's going to have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to have no and he will and
Speaker 1: I mean that's been his mo, right, he gets it,
Speaker 1: he steps up, he does something, and I think you're right,
Speaker 1: I think it'll end up with something like that. Just
Speaker 1: have to be really trusted people. So in our last
Speaker 1: minute insights predictions, well, Dan, I still have some.
Speaker 4: I have optimism about twenty twenty six because I do
Speaker 4: think we're reaching a tipping point with the Democrats, the
Speaker 4: Democratic Socialists. We're running that party, and I think it's
Speaker 4: on crime, it's on spending, it's just the gamut and
Speaker 4: the economy. And I just hope strong candidates emerged for
Speaker 4: the state offices and the legislature and we can make
Speaker 4: some progress.
Speaker 1: And I think we can because Bennett on his own
Speaker 1: Marriag Likeck thereof has to be vulnerable, right, if there
Speaker 1: is a chance, he's got to be about as vulnerable
Speaker 1: as an a dem would be. And Hick and Looper's
Speaker 1: just so old and old acting and irrelevant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's more sentiment in the Democratic Party
Speaker 4: for him not to run than what he realizes.
Speaker 1: No great point. Hey, thanks for being here, man, I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Ryan. Great job is always Kelly. The human
Speaker 1: sunshine just warms every day. Please do join us tomorrow
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