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<v Speaker 1>My Billy cunning him the Great America, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>this hot, glorious Wednesday afternoon in the tri State. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Reds Baseball won dramatic passion last night. Tommy Thrall was

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<v Speaker 1>going nuts on the radio. Back out of again tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>first pitch about six forty. Airtime with US is about

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<v Speaker 1>five forty. The Reds drive maybe to go to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty in the season. Only a few games remain,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see what happens. But until then, of course, once again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a recurring herpes infection. We'll back to

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<v Speaker 1>pay Course Stadium. Here we are some thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>back again, and Brian Hamm recovered it all for Channel

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<v Speaker 1>five along with Tom Gableman representing I guess the commissioners,

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<v Speaker 1>and also he's a specialty on it. We have this

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<v Speaker 1>big elaborate plan, many pages long. Everything's going to work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only about one point two five billion dollars, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course he had another thirty forty percent for cost overruns.

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<v Speaker 1>And who's going to pay for it? Nobody cares. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks great, wonderful looking stadium. Only issue is well Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Brown and the Bengals agree and that's maybe a different issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It may be a little more difficult to get that

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<v Speaker 1>for Brian Hamrick. Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brian, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about can you give us an overview about

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<v Speaker 1>what happened yesterday and when we look forward to a

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<v Speaker 1>long term guaranteed bonus Layton lease signed by Mike Brown

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<v Speaker 1>and the Bengals. Give us an overview, Brian Hamrick, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can. Of course, you were here some thirty years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>as I was with you at that point talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. And it seems to me like the

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<v Speaker 1>Great American Ballpark, also owned by the county, has no

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<v Speaker 1>issues whatsoever at any point. I can't recall any problems

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<v Speaker 1>on the lease, and I guess it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>renewed soon, no problems at all. But the Bengals and

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<v Speaker 1>pay Courts continues to be a difficulty give the American

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<v Speaker 1>people a full report.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another you know, it's another situation over there. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what that's about less than a half mile away,

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<v Speaker 2>and you might as well be a thousand miles away

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the way things are handled and treated

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, it just seems different. Yeah, Well, this ms

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<v Speaker 2>A sport or a Cincinnati company h one of the

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<v Speaker 2>top in the country for designing sports facilities, and they

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a plan what they think would be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, top among NFL teams. What NFL teams want

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<v Speaker 2>to see. They they presented, Uh a while back, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a presentation of here's what really is trending in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>What NFL teams.

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<v Speaker 2>So this firm then came up with, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>concrete ideas for what could happen down there. Uh, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have one point two five.

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<v Speaker 3>Billion billion dollars to do it with billion dollars?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess were the Bengals involved in formulating the

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<v Speaker 1>plan or were they left out? And they're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>told by the county what it looks like. Are the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals involved in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a little unclear.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have money maybe in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Design and paying this firm.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, you guys come up with what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>But it sounds a little like nobody's really guiding this

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<v Speaker 2>to specifics. It's sort of like you come up with

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<v Speaker 2>an idea, lay your offerings at the feet of the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 3>And we will deny or accept.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, So that's kind of the way it looks.

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<v Speaker 2>The King wants to see your offerings. What have you brought?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of the Kim John Unn, May I approach the bench,

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<v Speaker 1>get on your knees, crawl on your belly, and see

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<v Speaker 1>if we accept what's coming. And by the way, you're

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<v Speaker 1>paying for it. The first go around was ninety to

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five percent by the tax. By the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL is the most profitable, profitable franchise, the most important

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<v Speaker 1>franchise in the history of the world. There's billions and

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<v Speaker 1>billions and billions of dollars flying around. The Bengals are

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<v Speaker 1>now worth about five to six billion dollars, multi billionaires,

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<v Speaker 1>and all we have are the bills basically, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have the revenue. Well, that change because normally, if there's

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<v Speaker 1>that much money flying around, why should the taxpayer not

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<v Speaker 1>participate in the in the ingredients and the meal that

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<v Speaker 1>they're providing all the ingredients for.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. Why is that not the case?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it all comes down to this.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the Bengals have said in the past basically.

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<v Speaker 3>That they're willing to walk.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other towns that could support this team, and other

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<v Speaker 2>towns that are waiting, probably with the check book right now,

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<v Speaker 2>to write them a check for a new stadium, state

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<v Speaker 2>of the art. You know, you saw that with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Oakland went out to you know, Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>You've seen other.

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<v Speaker 2>Communities do this. You've seen you know, down in San.

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<v Speaker 3>Diego, they're looking for a team right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't deal with what they wanted to out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they lost the team go up to Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's been said that, you know, the Brown

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<v Speaker 2>family loves San Diego in that area, so you know

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a possibility. Maybe they work a deal

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<v Speaker 2>out there. I mean, the weather's great. If you're not

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<v Speaker 2>paying taxes, you're getting all this, you're making money, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Live out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, it isn't so bad. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>have the team and all these teams are willing, It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just the Bengals, all the teams are willing to

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<v Speaker 2>say we're ready to walk. And when you have them

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much over a barrel. They want this team. The

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<v Speaker 2>fans here love the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 3>They want the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, yep ye.

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<v Speaker 3>But at what cost is the question?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what, and that's what the answer that has

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<v Speaker 2>to be given by the taxpayers of Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 1>When I talked to Governor Mike DeWine, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>state's willing to participate. The NFL has a fund ready

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<v Speaker 1>to participate. The county sales tax continuing and infinitum, despite

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that property rollback did not happen. And on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, you have the Bengals. As you said,

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of American cities would love to have them. We

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<v Speaker 1>want to do everything possible to keep the Bengals. The

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<v Speaker 1>original cost of the stadium was about five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million. Now it's more than two and a half times,

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<v Speaker 1>not just to renovate it. The costs are skyrocketing, and

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<v Speaker 1>the value of these franchises have skyrocketed. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>Brown family has about fifty million dollars into it. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth one hundred times that. It's worth five or

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<v Speaker 1>six billion or more. And then layer on top of

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<v Speaker 1>that the age of Mike Brown. He's approaching ninety years old.

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<v Speaker 1>The new generation is ready to take over, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have every sense that Katie and Troy and the kids

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<v Speaker 1>want to remain in Cincinnati. They're Cincinnatians and they want

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<v Speaker 1>to remain here. But at Lesha reason is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that says that what price Jefferludo's talking about the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>putting up forty to fifty percent of the deal. That

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<v Speaker 1>means the Bengals. Bengals would have to put up about

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<v Speaker 1>five to six hundred million dollars to stay in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the county would put up some money, and

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<v Speaker 1>the state's going to put up some money, but not

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<v Speaker 1>to the tune of one point twenty five billion. This

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<v Speaker 1>is going to play out over the next five to

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<v Speaker 1>six years because there's a five year renewal coming up

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<v Speaker 1>that the Bengals are going to sign into, which keeps

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<v Speaker 1>the present bad deal in place. So we're looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to another six or seven years of the same stuff

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<v Speaker 1>until there's a long term guaranteed a lease, which the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals don't want to do until they see what this

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<v Speaker 1>what the funding mechanism is. And I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the political character of the of the current Commissions commissioners

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<v Speaker 1>fit in with the button down Tafts. It's Eneus and

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<v Speaker 1>Hollister approach of the Bengals. That's a secondary matter. Answer

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<v Speaker 1>this question, Brian Hamrick, why don't we have the same

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<v Speaker 1>difficulties with my ballpark, the Great American? Why is one

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<v Speaker 1>is always an angst and the other one things are

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<v Speaker 1>handled quietly below the surface, and the Castellinis keep on

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<v Speaker 1>keeping on.

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<v Speaker 2>Why Well, I mean you just have to imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're more willing to work with. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the countings felt like they've been more equitable over there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the lease deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean of a number of stuff these independent of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals that look at all these stadium deals, a

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<v Speaker 2>number of them, you know, and one of them comes

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<v Speaker 2>out all the time says, this is the worst deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The taxpayers got the worst deal with this one of

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<v Speaker 2>any across the country. I mean, you know, we all

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<v Speaker 2>expect that it's going to be you're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to pay a certain amount and all that, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is consistently comes up as one of the worst, if

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<v Speaker 2>not the worst. Like in every one of these listings

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<v Speaker 2>of what's happening, I mean there's there's things like like

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<v Speaker 2>the county, well like when they got pay Corps put

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>Over there, Well, the county.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't even have to they don't even get to know

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<v Speaker 2>how much they got out of that. The county didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they made off of that, and and the

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<v Speaker 2>county it's none of it. It's a sign hanging on

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<v Speaker 2>the stadium that the county owns, and they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>any money for it, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that, you know, the county pays all the money.

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<v Speaker 2>It's at leash Reese has been, you know, going off

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<v Speaker 2>over this whole thing where they wanted to have a

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<v Speaker 2>watch party. They couldn't do it, couldn't get it done,

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<v Speaker 2>no way it could be done. And then all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden there's a watch party in here and they're

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<v Speaker 2>charging ninety nine dollars a person to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like that, This.

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<v Speaker 4>Is why, you know, one of the best parties.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh look, it is all legit. It's all in that.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at that contract is legit.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, one of the best elements of this

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<v Speaker 1>is that the guy on behalf of the taxpayer negotiating

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<v Speaker 1>the deal with Mike Brown and the Bengals, when when

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<v Speaker 1>he was kicked out of office, he changed jerseys and

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<v Speaker 1>started working for the Bengals. So the County commissioner and

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<v Speaker 1>negotiated the deal with Mike Brown after he was kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out of office, runs to the Bengals and they hire

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<v Speaker 1>him as a consultant.

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<v Speaker 4>That's beautiful. That is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you have to wonder. I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>there's no law against that thing. You negotiate some big contract.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking up five hundred a million dollars contract at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. You negotiate that, and then you go to

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<v Speaker 2>work for the company that you negotiated with.

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<v Speaker 4>That that just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Seem I mean, that seems something really odd about that

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<v Speaker 2>and the way it was set up initially. Now they

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it anymore. But remember, for years, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>remember how many, maybe the first ten years, if the

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<v Speaker 2>Bengals didn't sell the seat, the county had to buy

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<v Speaker 2>those seats. Beautiful, but they had to sell ut the

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<v Speaker 2>stadium and the county had to buy them.

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<v Speaker 3>If they didn't sell this stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think we're going to talk about this for

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<v Speaker 1>the next several years, and so we'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>down the road. But every time you negotiate with Mike Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>whether the I R. S or Hamley County you come

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<v Speaker 1>out wearing a barrel around. You have no clothes left,

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<v Speaker 1>you have no shoes, you have no car. He wins

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<v Speaker 1>every time. It's unbelievable. He makes Darth Vader look like

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<v Speaker 1>an amateur.

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<v Speaker 4>But alright, let's well.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say they're great at negotiations. Oh yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes don't have on the field. Well, you go and

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<v Speaker 2>look at what they do as.

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<v Speaker 4>A business, superl super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>They are taught there.

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<v Speaker 2>They are Super Bowl contenders with every single one of

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<v Speaker 2>these deals, and that's the way they play them.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to get Mike Brown over to the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East and resolve that little problem between Hesbla Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>Hamas probably could do.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Brown, get over there. It's all done.

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<v Speaker 1>There's piece and there's olive orchards growing up in the Goza.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Brown is the best there ever was ever will be. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>give me an update. Tony Bender wants to know. He

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<v Speaker 1>thinks he is deep roots in Kentucky in this so

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<v Speaker 1>called highway shooter is still underground somewhere running around and

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<v Speaker 1>they can't find the guy. They got the bloodhounds out,

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<v Speaker 1>but can't find this guy who wounded five people in

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<v Speaker 1>interstate I seventy five high school games are being canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the latest with the mole and the mole in Kentucky?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so there's Joseph Couch open fire hitting. They

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<v Speaker 2>now know seventeen vehicles, at least seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>There may be more.

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<v Speaker 2>People are still coming in with complaints and finding bullet

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<v Speaker 2>holes in their cars that didn't realize we're there.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy squirrels off.

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<v Speaker 2>Into the woods Daniel Boone National.

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<v Speaker 3>Forest and is thick. I mean it is it going

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<v Speaker 2>They took us up there the other day, put us

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<v Speaker 2>in bullet fruit proof vests and helmets when we went

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<v Speaker 2>up there, because and on where this guy is. They

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea and I ain't think he was where

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<v Speaker 2>we were, but they were requiring that as a safety precaution.

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<v Speaker 3>So we went up there. Sawry had parked the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw the sickness of all this. Sawry had to go

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the overlook about three hundred yards away

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the overlook and shoot down on the vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>But he went off into the woods like a rabbit

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<v Speaker 2>and has not been been seen since, and they're still

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<v Speaker 2>looking for him. They tracked him with dogs and what

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<v Speaker 2>they basically ended up telling us is they track.

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<v Speaker 3>Them with dogs. They went down there into the.

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<v Speaker 4>Woods for days, bloodhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally they told us four days. They were so convinced

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<v Speaker 2>and are like, we can't say it's mister Colts, but

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<v Speaker 2>these dogs generally don't list.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, these dogs are.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good, and so they followed them, and based on that,

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<v Speaker 2>they have now moved their command post to a separate

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<v Speaker 2>area in the direction where they think that he may

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<v Speaker 2>have gone to. They didn't say what direction that was,

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<v Speaker 2>but they did say it was deeper into the forest.

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<v Speaker 2>So they think that's why they think he's still in

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<v Speaker 2>those woods right now, rather than dead, or rather than

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Brian, This like the Eric Rudolph situation where

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<v Speaker 1>he lived in the mountains for years finally was caught

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<v Speaker 1>in a dumpster behind a kmart, and I guess this

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<v Speaker 1>guy Ultimately at some point you kind of hunker down,

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<v Speaker 1>see what's going on. Well, Brian Hemrick, are there any

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<v Speaker 1>any of these parties of p Didny these freak outs?

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<v Speaker 1>Any of these things happened at Channel five with the

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<v Speaker 1>Shari Pulo Mike Dartis any freakouts happening there at Channel five?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think the only freakout we have is

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<v Speaker 2>when the scripts come in late freak out.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, that's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Brian Hemrick, thank you for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks again, mister Cunningham.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's the best there is, Brian Hamrick of

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<v Speaker 1>the Power of five. We got freakouts, you got the

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<v Speaker 1>Snipers in seventy five, you got the Believe or Not.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals lease is back up for the next several years.

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<v Speaker 1>And Mike Brown, he's the best there ever was. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>cunning End the great American with you every day. You're

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