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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>So off we go to Sailing first twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe in finally on the way. The build

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<v Speaker 2>up has been massive, you know, or the planning or

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<v Speaker 2>the moving parts to it, planning, the presentation, staying in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with people who you want to meet up with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all that kind of stuff. It's been great.

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<v Speaker 2>I've really enjoyed it. But I'm glad to actually be

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<v Speaker 2>on the road now. Now. There are quite a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of moving parts of this trip, and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>first part. This is me on the train in Liverpool

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<v Speaker 2>on the Maysey Rail and that is the first of

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<v Speaker 2>many moving parts. So it's a train from Liverpool into

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<v Speaker 2>Liverpool City Center, then another train to London, and then

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<v Speaker 2>in London another train and then in London, then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the plane from Heathrow. Then I'll get to the

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<v Speaker 2>US and flying over to the West Coast, and then

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<v Speaker 2>getting the train all the way across the country, which

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<v Speaker 2>will end up in New York City. I'll meet up

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<v Speaker 2>with Zach and then we'll take another train to Newick

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<v Speaker 2>to meet up with Emmy, and then we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>drive to Binghamton. So it's a proper trains, planes and

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<v Speaker 2>automobiles kind of trip a lot of moving parts to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose it makes me slightly nervous when there are

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<v Speaker 2>so many moving parts, because it just means that there's

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<v Speaker 2>potential for things to go wrong, you know, if one

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<v Speaker 2>of those parts doesn't quite go to plan. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>planned it out as best I can, I think, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fingers crossed, everything falls into place, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>been switched with you along the way. So there I was,

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<v Speaker 2>my belongings packed along with my hopes and dreams, to

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<v Speaker 2>embark on the trip of a lifetime, which would take

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<v Speaker 2>me across the width of the United States and into

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<v Speaker 2>the waiting arms of friends and listeners to celebrate the

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<v Speaker 2>life of Rod Sailing at Sailing Fest twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>But little did I know that from the moment I left,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing would go as planned, and I was about to

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<v Speaker 2>embark on a trip to the darkest depths of the

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<v Speaker 2>twilight Zone. Good morning, everyone, So this is a very

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<v Speaker 2>hoarse sounding Tom Elliott. I'm not sure you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>me that well over the train, so I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use this clip. I'm just hoping my

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<v Speaker 2>voice sorts itself out by the time I get to Binghamton, Man,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is pretty surreal. I'm sitting on a train

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<v Speaker 2>called the California Zephyr, which is going from the West

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<v Speaker 2>Coast all the way over to New York. So the

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<v Speaker 2>last few days of this trip has just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>become a real just snowball effect of bad luck. So originally,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sailing festivals happening. I have been lucky enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have a lot of listeners and things contribute to

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of it, because even though it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>weekend in New York, you know, just costs crop up

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, and you know, you try and do

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<v Speaker 2>it as cheaply as you can, but there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's got their handout when you're trying to travel. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just the way it goes. Unfortunately. So I I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, this is my last sailing fest. I

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<v Speaker 2>would like to do something a bit special for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided that I would try and take this

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<v Speaker 2>train that goes from the West coast all the way

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<v Speaker 2>over to the East Coast to New York and then

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<v Speaker 2>head to sailing fest because I love the US. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>given enough time, enough money, I would like to visit

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere you know, but this gave me the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of see it, see a lot of the country

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<v Speaker 2>in one go on one trip, and the kindness of

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<v Speaker 2>people who contributed to me going to sailing Fest, I

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<v Speaker 2>could make the whole trip happen. So I got to

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<v Speaker 2>the airport in England and I got on the plane

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<v Speaker 2>and I sat there for four hours as they investigated

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of fault on the plane, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>plane their flight got canceled. So that puts me a

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<v Speaker 2>day late get into the US. But that's okay because

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't catching that train for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>It wiped out a lot of things that I would

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<v Speaker 2>have liked to have seen, but at least I would

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<v Speaker 2>catch the train in time. So then I get to

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<v Speaker 2>the US a day late, the day before I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to travel on the train, and I get to the

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<v Speaker 2>airport and I hear my name over the loudspeaker system

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, man, that is not good. So then

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<v Speaker 2>they they say to me, listen, we know where your

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<v Speaker 2>bag is, but it's not here, so we need to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, send it to you and your hotel. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you don't know how much You've just screwed

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<v Speaker 2>me over, you know, because I'm not staying in a hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting a train tomorrow morning, and there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>you can get that back to me on this train.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have no idea how much you've messed me up.

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<v Speaker 2>And fair play to the staff member, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>was great and put up with my frustrations, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was never rude to him, but I was clearly just

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<v Speaker 2>livid at what had happened to me. So honestly, at

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<v Speaker 2>that moment was it was a case of should I

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<v Speaker 2>just call the whole thing off? Because this is a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've already spent by this time, I've spent

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<v Speaker 2>two days in the same set of clothes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>got no baggage, and this is just a mess. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't trust the airline to follow up on anything and

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<v Speaker 2>get my bag to me. So I decided to pace

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<v Speaker 2>severe and I got on the train. And to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>the train has been great. I would highly recommend it

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone. You know, seeing the US in this way

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<v Speaker 2>is wonderful, lots of beautiful scenery, you know, met some

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<v Speaker 2>great people on the train, and so yeah, it's been good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been good. So at this moment I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>way that they're flying my bag to New York, so

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully it should be there when I get there. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't trust anything that they say at the moment. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful, but yeah, so that's where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>up to. It's a bit modeling, but I kind of think,

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<v Speaker 2>like last time, as well as being a document of

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<v Speaker 2>sailing fest, it's also a bit of a travelogue, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the situation is at the moment. So I

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<v Speaker 2>can't sugarcoat. It's been hellish, you know, it really has,

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<v Speaker 2>But I can really hope for better things going forward,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that my voice sorts itself out for

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<v Speaker 2>the stage. Despite getting gradually sicker. The trip across the

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<v Speaker 2>US was everything that I hoped it would be. Beautiful scenery,

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<v Speaker 2>interesting people, and there's just something so soothing about switching

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<v Speaker 2>off from everything else and letting your will just be

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<v Speaker 2>the small room around you and the view from the window.

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<v Speaker 2>But after four days and three nights on the train,

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<v Speaker 2>I was ready to be in the company of friends again,

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<v Speaker 2>and thankfully I met up with two of my best ones,

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Moore from the podcast All he's hold on to

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<v Speaker 2>Smallville and Emmy, who podcasts with me over in the

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<v Speaker 2>after hours club. And as we were heading out from

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<v Speaker 2>our apartment, which was right next to Recreation Park in Binghamton,

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<v Speaker 2>we spotted an unusual shape in the park. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>seven point thirty pm in Binghamton and I'm here with Emmy, Emmy, Hello, hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and Zach Hello there. And you know, we had a

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<v Speaker 2>nice drive to Binghamton from New York and as we

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<v Speaker 2>were on our way to our B and B, we

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<v Speaker 2>just saw this shape in Recreation Park covered in a

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<v Speaker 2>black sheet, and it's a statue of rod sailing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of surreal, isn't it to just see it

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<v Speaker 2>out here on its own.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, It's kind of just made me more excited

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<v Speaker 4>to see actually what it's going to look like. I

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<v Speaker 4>think they're seeing the shape of all and how it

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<v Speaker 4>really is.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's like it's like a Christmas present.

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<v Speaker 2>Still when it's right, I'm quite pleased to how accessible

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<v Speaker 2>it looks, you know what I mean. They haven't put

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<v Speaker 2>it out the way. It's like right next to a path.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you will walk by, and it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>like on a tall pedestal to put them like really

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<v Speaker 2>high up so you'll be able to stand right next

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<v Speaker 2>to him and get a good look at him. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's quite nice, I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's in between all the trees. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>make for some really beautiful photos when people come and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, come to visit it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we're going to turn in for the night.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to speak about what we discovered when we

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<v Speaker 2>got back to our when we got to our airbnb.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe we'll tail the microphones on later on and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that. So yeah, my goodness, it's what a

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<v Speaker 2>strange feel and being in Recreation Park ready to see

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<v Speaker 2>what unveiled in a couple of days time. Alright, signing off. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>we never got to called that clip about what greeted

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<v Speaker 2>us when we entered our apartment because the reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come to later on. But when we entered our

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful airbnb, our host Diane had decorated the place with

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<v Speaker 2>all manner of Twilight Zone decorations, posters, craft pieces, Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>Zone magazines and even a life size standee of rod sailing.

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<v Speaker 2>So we arrived in Binghamton on Thursday, September twelfth, but

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<v Speaker 2>I could feel that, unfortunately, the sickness that had started

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<v Speaker 2>on the train was getting worse. So I took things

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<v Speaker 2>easy and tried to rest up in the hope that

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<v Speaker 2>I would be well to take advantage of the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the trip. But of course, who can resist a

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<v Speaker 2>walk in Recreation Park on a beautiful sunny day. So

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<v Speaker 2>it is Friday, the thirteenth of September, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>might say it's unlucky, you know, unlucky for some and

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<v Speaker 2>had certainly been unlucky for me in some ways. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm very lucky in most ways. But unfortunately, over

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<v Speaker 2>the past week I've seem to have picked up a cold.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the stress at the beginning of the trip

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<v Speaker 2>and just generally, you know, living on a train for days,

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<v Speaker 2>breathing that recycled day, and not sleeping well because of

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<v Speaker 2>the time difference has given me a bit of a cold.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am desperately trying to dose myself up on

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<v Speaker 2>various things to get rid of it before tomorrow, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a tall order. But as long as I can

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<v Speaker 2>get to the point where I'm just not coughing through

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<v Speaker 2>that presentation on stage, then I should be okay. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see how that goes. But the reason I turned

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<v Speaker 2>the mic on is that it's in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. It's in a bit of a lull. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm traveling with Zach and Emmy and we haven't actually

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<v Speaker 2>met any other kind of podcast friends or anything like

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<v Speaker 2>that yet because I just had to stay in last

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<v Speaker 2>night because I was feeling so ill and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>really trying to salvage the situation before the presentation. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've just come out for a walk in Recreation Park.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the place where I'm staying is right next to

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<v Speaker 2>Recreation Park, and when we went in, a wonderful lady

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<v Speaker 2>named Diane, who keeps the place, had decorated it with

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<v Speaker 2>all manner of twilight zoned stuff, even you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>full sized standie of road sailing, which we've we've all

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed putting outside each other's bedrooms at various opportunities. So

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<v Speaker 2>when they cut up, when people come out, they get

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a fright, but you know, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's she's been a great host. But we are right

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<v Speaker 2>next to the park, So I've just come out in

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<v Speaker 2>years ago when I was here, because I was staying

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<v Speaker 2>of changes to these beautiful, traditional American looking houses. There's

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Binghamton that he valued. And it's nice

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<v Speaker 2>and for the same thing to happen. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>up you later. After people began trickling into Binghamton over

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<v Speaker 2>the Thursday and Friday, Sailing Fest began in Earnest on

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<v Speaker 2>where the audience was treated to episodes of The Loner

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<v Speaker 2>Night called Grady Everett for the people, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of episodes of the Twilight Zone. And all

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<v Speaker 2>and the Twilight Zone episodes in Praise of Pip and

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<v Speaker 7>This episode in Phrase of Pip began the fifth and.

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<v Speaker 6>Final season of The Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 7>And Bill Money three. Apparently the role of Clubman plays

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<v Speaker 3>To accept it.

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<v Speaker 7>Both Carty and Clubmans were in my Dad's script The

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<v Speaker 6>In Mark Duwitzia's book.

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<v Speaker 7>he shares what Jack Clugman told him.

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<v Speaker 6>There are certain playwrights like Rob Sterling who just suit me.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a joy to play his characters.

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<v Speaker 7>He gave you to play, what words he gave you

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<v Speaker 6>They just seemed to resonate with me. There had been

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<v Speaker 7>Rod Sterling, Clifford Odette, and Neil Simon.

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<v Speaker 6>With Neil Simon, who was the humor and the rhythms.

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<v Speaker 7>With Odettes, it was the staccato style and moveograck reading attitude.

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<v Speaker 6>and the fire. He brought such fire to everything, he wrote.

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<v Speaker 7>Mark Dickree, in his book The Twilight's Own Companion, wrote

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<v Speaker 7>of an American casualty in Vietnam in any dramatic show

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<v Speaker 7>TV show. Mark went on to say Surling was replaced

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<v Speaker 7>the action in Laos. This was changed when the script

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<v Speaker 7>was reviewed for inaccuracies and to Forest Research, who reported

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<v Speaker 7>The implication that the US has troops fighting in Laos,

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<v Speaker 7>even in the Twilight Zone, could be an embarrassment and.

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<v Speaker 6>Might cause repercussions.

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<v Speaker 7>The relationship between Floodman and movie's characters feels so genuine.

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<v Speaker 7>Movie shared that before filming, Flugman came up to him

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<v Speaker 6>The article said movie worked exceptionally.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, with Jack Clubman allowing Clubman to pick him.

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<v Speaker 7>And hug him, all in a highly naturalistic manner. The

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<v Speaker 7>nad father's son relationship immediately believable. I have a TV

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<v Speaker 7>personal connection to the sepisode, which I'll.

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<v Speaker 7>Shaffer tomorrow and so without further ado in praise of him.

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<v Speaker 2>So after the movie showings, even though I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>my sickness was settling down, I stayed true to my

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<v Speaker 2>word and didn't have a wild night out. But I

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<v Speaker 2>one of the Binghamton night spots and had a respectably

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<v Speaker 2>early night ready for the next day, when hopefully i'd

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<v Speaker 2>wake up rested and ready to go and do my

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<v Speaker 2>presentation on the Saturday afternoon. Well that was the plan,

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<v Speaker 2>so fast up in the Forum Theater on Saturday, Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Alborella of the Rod Sailing Memorial Foundation presented a montage

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<v Speaker 2>of Rod sailing clips and outtakes, bringing home to the

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<v Speaker 8>Was, all right, steemporteke one.

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<v Speaker 9>The mindless depletion of our natural resources is challenging our

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<v Speaker 9>The mindless depletion of our natural resources is challenging this

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<v Speaker 9>very goddamn mother grabbing chandment doesn't seem to work. Don't

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<v Speaker 8>A scene for taking away.

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<v Speaker 9>If we ignore the environmental damage we do while trying

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<v Speaker 9>to meet our energy demands, we will find ourselves not

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<v Speaker 9>only without gasoline and electricity of us, but a vast

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<v Speaker 9>about there and fault. We will find ourselves not only

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<v Speaker 9>without gasoline and electricity, but also without water to drink,

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<v Speaker 9>shit water to drink. Oh we're god sorry, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Next up, Christopher Benedict presented a fascinating talk based

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<v Speaker 2>on his book The Twilight Rounds about Rod Sailing's connection

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<v Speaker 2>with the sport of boxing. Well, unfortunately I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a clip of that talk, but Chris did a great

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<v Speaker 2>job of kicking things off. But what I do have

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<v Speaker 2>is a clip of him being interviewed by students from

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<v Speaker 2>Ithaca College who were handling the media for the event,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did a great job too. So here is

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<v Speaker 5>Mister Benedict, thank you so much for being with us today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, I want to start by saying that you

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<v Speaker 5>were one of the panelists today for anyone who may

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<v Speaker 5>have missed that. Would you like to talk about that

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<v Speaker 7>Sure?

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<v Speaker 10>It was based on my book called The Twilight Rounds,

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<v Speaker 10>which just happens to be a happy coincidence, and then

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<v Speaker 10>as you know, kind of mirrors the Twilight Zone title.

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<v Speaker 10>But it was written many years before that, nineteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 10>and you know, it began the There wasn't the first.

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<v Speaker 10>His first boxing story was actually written in college and

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<v Speaker 10>very first published story was actually a boxing story, and

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<v Speaker 10>he would go on to write many more before you know,

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<v Speaker 10>deducing what he considered to be his personal masterpiece, which

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<v Speaker 10>is reckoning for a heavyweight. And as you mentioned, he

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<v Speaker 10>one hundred and eighteen pounds, so you know, the little

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<v Speaker 10>guy but he was, you know, feisy, and he won

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<v Speaker 10>seventeen bouts until he was matched, for some reason against

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<v Speaker 10>a two hundred pound heavyweight who proceeded to knock him

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<v Speaker 10>out and broke break his nose black as I black

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<v Speaker 10>at his eye, And that was basically the end of

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<v Speaker 10>the end of his boxing career, but the beginning of

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<v Speaker 10>a you know, an amazing creative career.

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<v Speaker 2>So after Chris's presentation, Rod Seiling Memorial Foundation board member

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<v Speaker 2>and music journalist Gail Flug presented a really fun presentation

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<v Speaker 2>about the Twilight Zones connection to rock music.

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<v Speaker 11>And then there are these guys. The Canadian band Rush

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<v Speaker 11>made their love for the series quite clear. The band

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<v Speaker 11>a few months after Rod's death. Getty Lee said in

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<v Speaker 5>Very Rod like.

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<v Speaker 11>A year later, they included the song Twilight Zone on

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<v Speaker 11>primary lyricist and wrote many songs along these themes. When

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<v Speaker 11>the band released the single as a limited edition single,

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<v Speaker 11>this was the artwork and so Noe, without further ado,

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<v Speaker 2>So then the convention broke for lunch, and after lunch

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<v Speaker 2>it was my turn now just to fill you in.

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<v Speaker 2>After the TV program showings the previous I had brave

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<v Speaker 2>to Binghamton night spot because I wanted to meet people.

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<v Speaker 2>I was still feeling ill, but I felt that hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>I was turning the corner. So I went out and

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<v Speaker 2>I stuck to my plan of not drinking and had

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<v Speaker 2>a great time meeting with older new friends. But unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>as I sat outside, the warm Binghamton evening turned into

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<v Speaker 2>a cold Binghamton night, which gradually crept into my bones

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<v Speaker 2>as I sat there, and by the time I got home,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a shivering wreck. Then the next morning, after

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<v Speaker 2>a feverish night's sleep, I was even worse. I woke

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<v Speaker 2>up and I could barely talk. I had a temperature

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to Zach and Emmy, I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I can do this. But because there was still

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<v Speaker 2>a few hours to when I had to do my presentation,

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<v Speaker 2>I just took my time and I dosed myself up

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<v Speaker 2>and got to the theater. But I have to thank

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<v Speaker 2>Zach and Emmy for helping me out, getting me medication

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<v Speaker 2>and getting me there. And then when I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to thank both Gus Howerda and Chad Boyken

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<v Speaker 2>for just making sure I was okay while I was

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<v Speaker 2>there and getting me drinks and things. So I did

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<v Speaker 2>the presentation and I got it done. It might not

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<v Speaker 2>have been the performance that I really wanted to give,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did my best under the circumstances.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, guys, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 12>Thank you for coming back. We were always afraid every

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<v Speaker 12>time we let anybody go, we're afraid they're actually going

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<v Speaker 12>to return, So thank you for returning. You know, when

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<v Speaker 12>you bought tickets for sirling Fest, I'm sure most of

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<v Speaker 12>you anyway, if you brought them through our website Zephi,

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<v Speaker 12>it asked you how did you hear about sirling Fest?

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<v Speaker 12>And the number one most cited source for hearing about

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<v Speaker 12>stirling Fest was The Twilight's Own podcast with Tom Elliott.

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<v Speaker 12>So we all love Tom, and I love Tom, especially

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<v Speaker 3>So Tom Elliott, thank you.

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<v Speaker 13>Everybody, thank you, Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, thank you very much. I appreciate that. So for

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<v Speaker 2>the past fifteen years I've been the host of the

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<v Speaker 2>So after my slot, my friend, an author of the

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<v Speaker 2>Twilight Zone High Coup, Chad Boykan, took to the stage

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<v Speaker 2>to read out some of his High Coup and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a book of poetry called Stopover, which is all

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<v Speaker 6>He's the honor and career of jobber House Presses, the

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<v Speaker 14>To Conditioning, Training and Fighting, and of course the Twilight Sonikup, which.

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<v Speaker 14>Which has been nominated for an Independent Publisher Book Award

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<v Speaker 14>for Poetry.

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<v Speaker 6>He's co authored the Cash You High Cocomic Zine, which.

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<v Speaker 14>Will be published when We're twin dwenty five, and has

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<v Speaker 14>contributed to the forthcoming book by at Press Outside Inn

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<v Speaker 14>Can Live with It, one hundred and seventy four Deep

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<v Speaker 14>Space nine Stories. He's currently developing Kitschu and Kfa essays

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<v Speaker 14>on the uniquely interconnected history of giant Japanese monster cinema

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<v Speaker 14>and the art of professional wrestling, and he can be

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<v Speaker 14>reached at job erhouse dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the man.

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<v Speaker 15>That's so great to be among your people, isn't that

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<v Speaker 15>can So A quick backstory in the book, A Twilight

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<v Speaker 15>Zone haiku actually started right here at Sterling Fest five

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<v Speaker 15>years ago in twenty nineteen. Like a lot of you,

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<v Speaker 15>I learned about at surling Fest and the Rod Zone

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<v Speaker 15>Memorial Foundation through the Twilight Zone podcast and Tom Elliott

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<v Speaker 15>and I found myself here surrounding by Rod Serling Royalty, authors, scholars, musicians, artists,

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<v Speaker 15>and if that doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Inspire you to create, I don't know what will.

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<v Speaker 15>So what happened is I wrote a few haiku about

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<v Speaker 15>episodes of the Twilight.

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<v Speaker 3>Zone and hosted them to a chat, a group.

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<v Speaker 15>Chat Tom Elliott started for podcast listeners to find each

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<v Speaker 15>other when they were here.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they were a diaspora, they came from all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place.

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<v Speaker 15>It was fun to do. But something unexpected happened and

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<v Speaker 15>a few people in the chat wrote them back to me.

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<v Speaker 15>They wrote their own Twilight.

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<v Speaker 3>Zone haiku, and that was the spark that started the inferno.

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<v Speaker 15>That became the Twilight Zone haiku. So this place, this event, Binghamton,

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<v Speaker 15>the Surling Fest, was the birth of this idea and

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<v Speaker 15>this tribute to Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the best things about this project has.

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<v Speaker 15>Been I've been able to collaborate and do some incredible collaborations.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first one is I actually.

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<v Speaker 15>Got to work with Tom Elliott, who graciously agreed to

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<v Speaker 15>narrate the audio book, so you can get the audio

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<v Speaker 15>book on Audible, libro, FM, band Camp, all those places.

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<v Speaker 15>And it was such an honor for him to do

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<v Speaker 15>that because Tom's podcast is in reason I was here

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<v Speaker 15>in twenty nineteen, so he does an amazing job. And

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<v Speaker 15>of course he would expect he would reading the haiku.

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<v Speaker 15>Unfortunately for you all today I'm going to be reading them,

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<v Speaker 15>not him, but maybe it will be too bad, but

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<v Speaker 15>it was really an honor for him to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>He also wrote the forward and as a little preview

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<v Speaker 3>to come.

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<v Speaker 15>In his forward he wrote haiku fort Serling, and I'll

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<v Speaker 15>be reading that today.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be reading one of Thomas.

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<v Speaker 15>So the collaborations kept on to sort of promote the book.

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<v Speaker 3>I worked with artist Karen Klutz, who turned.

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<v Speaker 15>Some of the Twilight Zone haiku individual art pieces. The

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<v Speaker 15>one on the left of the sixteen elemor Shrine is

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<v Speaker 15>one of those, as she did. I also worked with

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<v Speaker 15>Jason McBride of Weirdo Poetry on comic book art panels.

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<v Speaker 3>With customs Twilight Zone I two haikus. We've got more

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<v Speaker 3>of those coming.

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<v Speaker 15>You can see those on our jobber House Instagram page

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<v Speaker 15>or on our website.

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<v Speaker 3>But these collaborations are really.

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<v Speaker 15>Meaningful, and today I get to do a brand new

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<v Speaker 15>collaboration right here on the starling Fest stage with Ricky Santor.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a first and we're very honored to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to do this for you.

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<v Speaker 15>What we've done is we've paired our poems and there

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<v Speaker 15>are different types of poems minor haiku based on the

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<v Speaker 15>episode of Ricky's traditional poetry with the thieves and episodes

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<v Speaker 15>and characters worked in.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you listen closely to both, I hope that

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<v Speaker 3>you will hear some of your favorites. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>an honor to do this for you. Are one one

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<v Speaker 3>for the angels. Kind salesman cheats death, makes the sales

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<v Speaker 3>pitch of his life. There are no returns. The big

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<v Speaker 3>Tall wish hardened pugilist.

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<v Speaker 15>His bus has already gone with a child's selfless gift.

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<v Speaker 15>The sixteen millier shrine beloved film Queen trapped in celluloid hammer,

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<v Speaker 15>the past reels her in.

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<v Speaker 3>Mirror image, waiting for the bus.

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<v Speaker 15>She sees herself everywhere across the parallel walking distance dream

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<v Speaker 15>of carousel Aeron, to which the laughing ghosts lived ever forwards.

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<v Speaker 14>So the fact of my collection, I have methodically listed

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<v Speaker 14>all the episodes that for various poems I know I

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<v Speaker 14>don't have to do for this audience.

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<v Speaker 6>So this poem you'll.

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<v Speaker 14>Recognize eleven different episodes, and I have some pieces of

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<v Speaker 14>dialogue in it, so all are all posibile, so you

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<v Speaker 14>can hear those paul is called considered. When you consider

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<v Speaker 14>a pitch to end all pitches, a pitch for angels,

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<v Speaker 14>Some say what materializes in the dusty corners of your

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<v Speaker 14>apartment will be a pitch as delicate as shame tongue

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<v Speaker 14>silk carried across ocean in satchels underneath the roovy throats

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<v Speaker 14>of birds.

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<v Speaker 6>Then your performed scarp.

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<v Speaker 14>Will touch down upon a vegetable's tapestry rug and proclaim

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<v Speaker 14>your final excite. How euphemism spiral into themselves as our

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<v Speaker 14>jewels slow and can tank or astatic clings.

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<v Speaker 3>To our nose ears.

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<v Speaker 14>How we want to chew the dat off our ticket

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<v Speaker 14>to the immial lounge and just falling around the lush

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<v Speaker 14>cornfield where we were wished ali ali els and free.

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<v Speaker 14>How we yearn to get drunk on cocktails of instant

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<v Speaker 14>smiles and cellul their serums, our inkies tapping our lips.

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<v Speaker 14>How we limit to a parakeet mirror, our scavenger hunts

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<v Speaker 14>for wrinkles, and dearly pay to have done what alchemists

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<v Speaker 14>do with plastic death, will launch the trajectory of our

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<v Speaker 14>accumulating selfies and leave us with.

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<v Speaker 6>Our monkey minds.

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<v Speaker 14>God snapped like undigestive bits of beef. So wag your

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<v Speaker 14>tongue all you wanted that grandfather clock and sway your

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<v Speaker 14>phone and a crew shay shaw to muffle calls from

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<v Speaker 14>the grave branch shadows for play upon your sleeping face

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<v Speaker 14>and your scar of brain too loose now for your

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<v Speaker 14>fingers will twang to the fore.

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<v Speaker 6>No such place as exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Next up, Author and Rod Sailing Memorial Foundation board member

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Dewiziak gave a spirited speech about Rod Sailing's connections

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<v Speaker 2>with Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, from the horrors of World War.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, Rod Serling decided to head for Ohio in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty six. I'm sure of what he wanted to do

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<v Speaker 1>with his life. He was searching for a sense of direction,

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<v Speaker 1>and first he was looking for a place where there

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<v Speaker 1>was at least a chance, a chance of coping with

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<v Speaker 1>his hellish battle experiences as a paratrooper in the South Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>To his great fortune and to ours, he found all

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<v Speaker 1>of this and quite a bit more in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>The Buckeye State.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, the path that eventually would lead him to the

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<v Speaker 1>land of shadow and substance, the Twilight Zone, truly began

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<v Speaker 1>on the campus of Antioch College in Yellow Springs, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where we start with the first image

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<v Speaker 1>Rod Serling proudly wearing his Antioch College sweatshirt during the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen forty stay at the family.

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<v Speaker 3>Cottage on Cayuga Lake in upstate New York.

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<v Speaker 1>It is no understatement to say that without Ohio Rod

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<v Speaker 1>s may have never found his way to the fifth dimension,

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that which is known to men. It was there

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<v Speaker 1>that he discovered writer. It was there to be sure

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<v Speaker 1>that Rod Serling realized he was a writer, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was there that he learned his craft, served the apprenticeship,

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<v Speaker 1>and honed the skills that would win him six Emmy Awards.

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<v Speaker 3>And enduring fame and ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the reason that we in Ohio consider Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>holy ground. It is because Rod Serling actually became a

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<v Speaker 1>writer in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mark stayed on the stage and he was joined

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<v Speaker 2>by Mark Olshaker and Unsailing for a presentation about Rod

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<v Speaker 2>Serling and his moral compass and how he brought that

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<v Speaker 2>to his way. Yeah, and think about that.

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<v Speaker 16>Think about Aya that Beholder for a second, and think

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<v Speaker 16>about how it was relevant then. But think about today,

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<v Speaker 16>think about this era of cyber bullying and anonymous online

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<v Speaker 16>comments and relentlessly packaged and unrealistic ideas of beauty that

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<v Speaker 16>people are being force fed every day by the culture,

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<v Speaker 16>And then think about Aya the Beholder. It's more relevant today.

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<v Speaker 16>It's so much more powerful a message today. And that's

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<v Speaker 16>true of a lot of Twilight Zone episode.

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<v Speaker 17>First of all, I just want to say that the

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<v Speaker 17>Mark Twain suit is in is in honor of Mark,

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<v Speaker 17>who has taken over, who has assumed the mantle of

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<v Speaker 17>Hal Holbrook as the foremost interpreter of Mark Twain.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 16>Let's make up every year, I might.

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<v Speaker 17>Add, as as Hell himself did.

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<v Speaker 16>But I do want we should yeah throw this thing

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<v Speaker 16>because I know Anna has something she wants to show.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, And what we want to get into here is

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<v Speaker 17>the everything's come full circle. I remember when Nick was

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<v Speaker 17>interviewing me about the episode It's a Good Life, and

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<v Speaker 17>he was asking me what I thought about it. One

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<v Speaker 17>of the things I said was, it's about the consequences

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<v Speaker 17>of parenting and not good parenting. I said, Now, I

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<v Speaker 17>think I also realize, as Nick has shown us all,

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<v Speaker 17>it's about what happens when nobody says no to you

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<v Speaker 17>on the subject of parenting, which is very much like

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<v Speaker 17>what was your parenting like?

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<v Speaker 18>Well, my father was the polar opposite of what you

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<v Speaker 18>imagine when you see the Twilight Zone and you see

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<v Speaker 18>this dark image walking across the stage. Any serious and

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<v Speaker 18>he's tight lipped because the dad at home was so funny,

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<v Speaker 18>so kind, so sweet, and so silly. He was a

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<v Speaker 18>practical joker. I wasn't going to share this story, but

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<v Speaker 18>I am going to share it.

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<v Speaker 6>When I was.

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<v Speaker 18>About thirteen, I got my rumory decorated, and I got

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<v Speaker 18>new wallpaper, and I did share this in the book.

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<v Speaker 14>So I guess I can share this.

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<v Speaker 18>I got new wallpaper and new carpeting, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 18>wait to get home from school to see how the

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<v Speaker 18>room looked. And my dad actually came in the room

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<v Speaker 18>with me, and I discovered in the corner one of

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<v Speaker 18>the dogs had gone to the bathroom, and I was sunned,

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<v Speaker 18>and I just sort of pointed to it, and my

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<v Speaker 18>father kind of shrugged and walked over and picked it

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<v Speaker 18>up with his hands, and I realized it was one

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<v Speaker 18>of those fake things. But for months we would hide

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<v Speaker 18>this on each other, and I hit it in his bedroom,

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<v Speaker 18>and I hit it in his office, which was in

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<v Speaker 18>the backyard. But my dad, it was very clear that

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<v Speaker 18>what I really remember is racism really deeply upset him.

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<v Speaker 18>And when Wallace was maybe going to run for president,

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<v Speaker 18>I remember he threatened that we were going to move

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<v Speaker 18>out of the country. Fast forward, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 18>his own parenting, I wanted to read something that my

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<v Speaker 18>dad wrote in his college application when he was twenty

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<v Speaker 18>one years old. To the credit of my family, any

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<v Speaker 18>inherent decency, all my liberalness and my ability to distinguish

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<v Speaker 18>between right and wrong can be attributed to my training.

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<v Speaker 4>At the age of ten.

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<v Speaker 18>I believe deeply in the rights of all men and

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<v Speaker 18>had a basic philosophy which maintained that a person was

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<v Speaker 18>not measured by their color or their race. It's powerful

635
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<v Speaker 18>and when I was writing my memoir, a friend of

636
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:25.079
<v Speaker 18>my dad's from Antioch College told the story of in

637
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<v Speaker 18>Yellow Springs, there were just two barbers and only one

638
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 18>of them would cut the hair of African American students,

639
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:37.320
<v Speaker 18>and my father was furious if anybody went to the

640
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 18>other barber and actually started.

641
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<v Speaker 17>According to this colleague, Mike Newman actually started a campaign

642
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.239
<v Speaker 17>to get people to boycott the racist barbershop.

643
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<v Speaker 2>Now we all know the Twilight Zone Companion by Mark

644
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Zichre or Unlocking the Door to a television Classic by

645
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Martin Graham's Junior. While they're the definitive volumes about the

646
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Twilight Zone, there's only ever been one definitive book about

647
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the Night Gallery, The After I was tour written by

648
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Jim Benson and Scott Skelton. Now I owned the first

649
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 2>volume of that book and it was great, But in

650
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.519
<v Speaker 2>the past couple of years Jim and Scott have updated

651
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<v Speaker 2>it to a second edition.

652
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 8>Now.

653
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 2>I never picked up that book at the time because

654
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the postage to the UK was more than the book itself.

655
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>But I was able to pick up a copy directly

656
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>from Scott and Jim at Sailing Fest. And I have

657
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 2>to say this book is remarkable. It's huge and just

658
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 2>packed to the brim with photographs, new information, and interviews,

659
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and it is without a doubt one of the best

660
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and most definitive books about any TV show period that

661
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I've come across. And these are two very entertaining and

662
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.880
<v Speaker 2>informative guys, and they too did a great panel at

663
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Sailing Fest about the Night Gallery.

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<v Speaker 16>I know that there's a tendency historically in Rod Serling's

665
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 16>scholarship has sort of dismissed Night Gallery as lesser Twilight Zone,

666
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 16>a last act.

667
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:16.639
<v Speaker 2>That didn't produce all that much.

668
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 16>Your first book pretty much shot that theory all the hell.

669
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.119
<v Speaker 16>But this one really comes through to say, this is

670
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:31.679
<v Speaker 16>incredibly important show to Rod Serling's career. So why is

671
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.519
<v Speaker 16>Night Gallery important?

672
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 19>It is Rod Serling's final foray into TV production, TV

673
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 19>writing for TV before he essentially retired and started teaching.

674
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 19>I think he felt he was didn't have the same

675
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:54.280
<v Speaker 19>juice he had when he started. I think he was

676
00:45:54.519 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 19>realizing with his Night Gallery experience that he was his

677
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.000
<v Speaker 19>what do you want to call it is is his

678
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 19>fame had not carried forward as he'd liked. He thought

679
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 19>his name over the title of Night Gallery would give

680
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 19>him essentially last say in creative issues, and he did

681
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:21.800
<v Speaker 19>not to his I'm sure his feeling that he should

682
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 19>have probably gathered some He should have taken executive role,

683
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 19>It should have been a showrunner, but he didn't want

684
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 19>to give that much time away from raising his family,

685
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 19>so he didn't do it, and Jack Laird became the showrunner,

686
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:36.760
<v Speaker 19>and that became the problem because he did not have

687
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.840
<v Speaker 19>the same relationship to the producer that he did on

688
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.639
<v Speaker 19>Twilight Zone. He had Buck Houghton there, who was an

689
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 19>extraordinary sympathetic producer. He and Rod were on the same wavelength,

690
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 19>and he and Jack Laird were oil and water. Jack

691
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:55.519
<v Speaker 19>was not interested in having the same sort of viewpoint

692
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 19>that the Twilight Zone had. He was far more interested

693
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 19>in being more out there, more revolutionary, more unusual in

694
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 19>the choice. He was willing to take that energy from

695
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.199
<v Speaker 19>the seventies that was taking over and let Night Gallery

696
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.400
<v Speaker 19>run with that, which led to a highly varied set

697
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 19>of tales, but not all of them were what Rod

698
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:23.320
<v Speaker 19>Serling would have okayed. Still, Jack was an excellent showrunner,

699
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:27.320
<v Speaker 19>he just didn't agree with Rod on choice of stories. Now,

700
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 19>there were some great writers on Night Gallery, but Rod

701
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 19>still wrote one third of them, and there was a

702
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 19>rumor for years that he had nothing at all to

703
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 19>do with it. Essentially he just had his name on it.

704
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 19>But that's not true. He wrote a lot of the

705
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 19>stories and some of them are some of the best

706
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 19>stuff he ever wrote in my opinion. But that's why

707
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 19>it's important to me. It's I mean, it carries forward

708
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 19>Rod's Twilight Zone legacy and brought out some brilliant episodes

709
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.960
<v Speaker 19>as inconsistent as the show was.

710
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 20>That's right, and beyond that, what made Nike Gallery important

711
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 20>in my view is it was a collection of extraordinary

712
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.239
<v Speaker 20>talent both in front of and behind the camera. The

713
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 20>artisans who worked on Nike Gallery were really the last

714
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:22.000
<v Speaker 20>generation to have worked with the great classic filmmakers like Robert,

715
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:30.920
<v Speaker 20>like Alfred Hitchcock and Orson Welles, the DP Lionel Linden

716
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 20>on Night Gallery worked he was the Assistant DP I

717
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 20>believe on the Manchurian Candidate and gave that film an

718
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 20>extraordinary look. It also launched because of at least in

719
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 20>part because of Jack Laird. It launched an amazing amount

720
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.360
<v Speaker 20>of careers, again both behind and in front of the camera.

721
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.400
<v Speaker 20>Of course, it was the first thing that Steven Spielberg

722
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 20>ever directed. It was the first thing that Leonard Nimoy

723
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.599
<v Speaker 20>ever directed. It was the first television production that that

724
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 20>John Aston ever directed. And it was the first dramatic

725
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 20>debut role for Diane Keaton, Mark Hamill, Lindsey Wagner. It

726
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 20>was only her second.

727
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Role in her career. Randy Quaid, I believe.

728
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 20>Randy Quaid and and I mean the less you can

729
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.000
<v Speaker 20>just go on and on and on and again. A

730
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 20>lot of the reason for that was producer Jack Lard,

731
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.840
<v Speaker 20>because he gave young people a chance who maybe other

732
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 20>producers wouldn't uh and he he he went out of

733
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:43.320
<v Speaker 20>his way to help people in the business, which is

734
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 20>very rare.

735
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.320
<v Speaker 2>Just ask anybody in that business. So, ladies and gentlemen,

736
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.119
<v Speaker 2>my coverage of Sailing Fest was not what I hoped

737
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>it would be. In the ideal world, I would have

738
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.639
<v Speaker 2>interviewed the guests that were there, got some thoughts from

739
00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the attendees or unfortunately, I was just in no date

740
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to do it, so I got together with my friend

741
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Zach and Emmy over in the After Hours Club for

742
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a little post event debrief, some of which I'll play

743
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 2>for you now. So I guess we will finish up there.

744
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>There's probably a lot of other stuff we could talk about,

745
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.480
<v Speaker 2>or just to finish off, I'm going to ask two

746
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 2>questions of everyone. The first question is just name me.

747
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be a favorite moment, because I

748
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.400
<v Speaker 2>know it's hard to choose favorite moments when you've had

749
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>such a great weekend or a favorite moment from Sailing Fest.

750
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Well, again, it's going to sound self serving to you, Tom,

751
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 5>but I think just just watching you give your presentation

752
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 5>was fantastic because I mean, we're we're all here talking

753
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 5>because of this podcast you started it, and then also

754
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 5>knowing how many obstacles you had to get through to

755
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 5>get to just physical obstacles as far as your travel

756
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 5>and then overcome your sickness and all that. But to

757
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 5>see you stand up there and give you presentation, which

758
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 5>I know you worked really hard on, it really went

759
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:02.599
<v Speaker 5>off without a hit, really, and that was just a

760
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 5>very fulfilling moment. So to me, if I had to

761
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 5>pick something, I would say, you know, because now you're

762
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 5>not just some podcast or workshires my friend now. So

763
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 5>it's fun to see my friend up there doing some

764
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.280
<v Speaker 5>stilights on stuff. And I really enjoyed that.

765
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Thank you man, Thank you.

766
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean that would be a very very close

767
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 4>second for me to actually watch you do. It was

768
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.480
<v Speaker 4>pretty high up there. Mine is slightly different though. I

769
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 4>think on the day after the unveiling ceremony, you know,

770
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.519
<v Speaker 4>everybody from sarling Fest, well pretty much everybody from serling

771
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 4>Fest from our group all stuck together and had stayed

772
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:39.400
<v Speaker 4>to watch the unveiling, and we kind of had this

773
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.239
<v Speaker 4>hour after the unveiling had happened where people were going

774
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 4>back on the carousel and we all just kind of

775
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 4>wandered through the park and we would see people that

776
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 4>we'd met over the course of the weekend and we'd

777
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 4>wave and we'd chat to them, and we all kind

778
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.199
<v Speaker 4>of knew it was coming to an end, but where

779
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.679
<v Speaker 4>we're still sort of riding on the high and there

780
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.480
<v Speaker 4>was this moment I think where we all kind of

781
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 4>felt like locals like we all felt like we lived

782
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 4>a little bit in Binghamton. It felt like that real

783
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 4>neighborhood feel where you were just seeing people that you've

784
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 4>known for such a long time, you were saying hi,

785
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.119
<v Speaker 4>or do you want to get a lemonade? And you know,

786
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:16.199
<v Speaker 4>it felt so natural, so quickly for everybody that we

787
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.280
<v Speaker 4>had been with. And yet that is absolutely because you know, Tom,

788
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 4>You've brought everybody together. We've created this amazing group of

789
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 4>people who are just so lovely and kind and inclusive.

790
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 4>But there was this there was this feeling at the

791
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.480
<v Speaker 4>end of the unveiling where we all kind of knew

792
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.119
<v Speaker 4>where we're going away, but for a moment, we all

793
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 4>felt like we all lived there and that we were

794
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 4>all just going to kind of catch up with each

795
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 4>other the next again day, and there was something pretty

796
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:42.280
<v Speaker 4>magical about that.

797
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to mention a couple of things. I'll

798
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 2>try not to go on too long. So the first

799
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 2>one is, you know, I did my presentation and people

800
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 2>have been very kind about it, like yourselves, and I'm

801
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>happy that it was okay. But I was very safe

802
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.719
<v Speaker 2>when I was doing it, and part of me felt

803
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like I was just saying the words you know, and

804
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't enjoy it as much as I would have liked,

805
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, which was a real shame. But as long

806
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.440
<v Speaker 2>as it played, okay, that's the main thing. But when

807
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I got off the stage, I was it was like, okay,

808
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.159
<v Speaker 2>I've done it now, you know, just like I want

809
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 2>to crumple up into a corner and just go asleep

810
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.239
<v Speaker 2>or something. Now at the back of the stage was

811
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a green room, and then that led

812
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>into the vendors room, and I just sort of wandered through,

813
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.599
<v Speaker 2>and I went into the vendors room and I'm just

814
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 2>sort of getting my stuff together, and then all of

815
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.400
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, I, you know, I sort of look up

816
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's like a queue of people formed to come

817
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and say hello. And you know, I was feeling so

818
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 2>rough and so bad, but I was able to just

819
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 2>forget that for a little moment because it was so

820
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 2>nice that all these people had come to say hello

821
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:59.280
<v Speaker 2>to me and introduced themselves and talk about the podcast

822
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and so on. Again, I don't want to mention names,

823
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 2>but you know, there was Rebecca from the Girls, Ghosts

824
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:09.519
<v Speaker 2>and Girls podcast. She came over. Kenneth Saul, who's been

825
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a long time friend of the show came over. There

826
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 2>was this lovely young couple who came over to say hello,

827
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and I thought it was especially nice because you know,

828
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the average age of people at this thing is quite high,

829
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.159
<v Speaker 2>or you know, they were these young sorts of Twilight

830
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Zone fans. It sort of meant the world that everyone

831
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:32.360
<v Speaker 2>came over to say hello like that. And then the

832
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>second thing is that I missed the Saturday night that

833
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:37.599
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be the big victory night. You know,

834
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 2>we're all together, we're all having a drink, but I

835
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>was just too sick, and I was watching all the

836
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.239
<v Speaker 2>pictures come up on the Telegram channel, and you know,

837
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 2>everyone's having a great time. But it was fine. And

838
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>then the next morning I got up and I was

839
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 2>feeling a bit better. So you two were, you know,

840
00:54:56.679 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 2>nursing your hangovers in your rooms. So I just wandered

841
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 2>out a recreation park and I just sat by the

842
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>carousel on the bench. It was a beautiful day, you know,

843
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and just watch the kind of comings and goings of

844
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the park. But then just gradually, as the morning went

845
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 2>on and we got closer to the time, all these

846
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:20.840
<v Speaker 2>people just gradually started to appear. Oh there's NASA. You know,

847
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 2>there's Joe Brown, you know, and it was just this

848
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 2>natural sort of No one had said, oh let's meet

849
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.039
<v Speaker 2>at this time. It was just gradually everyone sort of

850
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.400
<v Speaker 2>gravitated towards the park because that's what we were there for.

851
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 2>And it was just a beautiful day and a natural day.

852
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.119
<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, everyone's together and we're

853
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>watching this statue being unveiled. So that's that's a big

854
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 2>memory for me. And even after having missed out on

855
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 2>so much, you know, at least I got that time,

856
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 2>and I was very appreciative of it. So I guess

857
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the second question is would you go back to sailing

858
00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 2>fest Zach.

859
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 5>You know every on twice now in the last once

860
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.360
<v Speaker 5>every five years. I mean, to me, that seems to

861
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 5>be a good pattern. You know, what's a good a

862
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:10.079
<v Speaker 5>good pattern to go every five years or so. I mean,

863
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.840
<v Speaker 5>went for the sixtieth, went for the statue unveiling. Look,

864
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:15.599
<v Speaker 5>I enjoy it quite a bit, but it's it's not

865
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 5>just the place, it's the people too, right, So it

866
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.920
<v Speaker 5>would depend on who else is all gonna go and

867
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 5>and all that sort of thing, all those intangibles. Because

868
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.039
<v Speaker 5>again I love and I respect all the content there.

869
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:28.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's that's the backbone of why we're there, right,

870
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 5>But it's it's that intangible, like you know, hanging out stuff.

871
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.400
<v Speaker 5>Everything outside and the outside of the program, so to speak,

872
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.239
<v Speaker 5>is the real stuff that I that I cherish and

873
00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 5>hold close in the memories. So I would go again

874
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 5>on the right circumstances. But I think this, this five

875
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:49.920
<v Speaker 5>year rotation, at least for me personally, seems to be

876
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:50.599
<v Speaker 5>a good pace.

877
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, so before I went, I was absolutely

878
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 4>adamant this would be the only time I would go.

879
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:03.079
<v Speaker 4>It's it's not an inexpensive thing to come from the UK,

880
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 4>as you know, Tom, you know it's there is there's

881
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.639
<v Speaker 4>an awful lot of moving parts that mean it can

882
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 4>be tricky. I've got a young family, I've got a career,

883
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.199
<v Speaker 4>all this kind of stuff. It makes it difficult. And

884
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 4>I absolutely was comfortable with the fact that I was

885
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.280
<v Speaker 4>going to come this one time. I was going to

886
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 4>meet you guys, I was going to meet everybody. That

887
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 4>was going to be the hurrah. And actually, pretty much

888
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.280
<v Speaker 4>from the second that I've come home, I've thought, how

889
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 4>am I going to get there next year? And I

890
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 4>totally agree with these acts like it is. If if

891
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 4>hardly anybody from the core group said that they were

892
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:37.280
<v Speaker 4>kind of going, I might be more reluctant. Again, it's

893
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.159
<v Speaker 4>a huge outlay for us to get over there, in

894
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 4>both time and money and everything. But I absolutely thought

895
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 4>I had its own up. I thought, I'm going to

896
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 4>go this one time. It's going to be great. It's

897
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.199
<v Speaker 4>the only thing I'm going to do, you know. And

898
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 4>actually now I'm thinking, well, if the same crowd of

899
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.840
<v Speaker 4>people went next year, and we could all sit around

900
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.880
<v Speaker 4>and watch the presentations, different presentations again, same vibes as

901
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 4>this year, and I get that. I think this is

902
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.559
<v Speaker 4>kind of like me trying to relive the weekend rather

903
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 4>than me actually wanting to go to serling Fest again.

904
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:11.559
<v Speaker 4>I totally agree with that. But I think if it

905
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 4>was possible for me to go again next year, I

906
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 4>probably would. And I'm surprised by that. I really kind

907
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 4>of thought it was gonna be a one off.

908
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 5>I feel that because of me. I went again five

909
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.280
<v Speaker 5>years ago for the sixtieth and I was like, Okay,

910
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 5>I'll do this once and I was like, oh, that

911
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 5>was fun. And I think I left it saying like, oh,

912
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 5>we definitely we got to do this again, right, And

913
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 5>then I think and then it had been five years

914
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 5>because we were all kind of waiting like what's the like,

915
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 5>what's the big thing it's going to get us all

916
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.840
<v Speaker 5>to go again? And the rock sterling statue, I was like, oh, well,

917
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 5>then we were all looking towards that as like, Okay,

918
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 5>that's the next big one, and we all looked towards that.

919
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 5>So if something else pops up between now the next

920
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 5>five years, who's to say. But no, I definitely feel

921
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 5>that feel that same thing. And there is more than

922
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.639
<v Speaker 5>one ticket for customer to badly pairaphrase to walking distance

923
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 5>because I've been twice and I liked it, and I

924
00:58:57.880 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 5>know that if I went again, it would you know,

925
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 5>it's it's different every time, right, I mean, it's not

926
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 5>going to be you can't all come well, you know,

927
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.119
<v Speaker 5>the first year we did this, the second year we

928
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 5>did that, and yeah, that's all well and good, but

929
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 5>that doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other.

930
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:10.639
<v Speaker 5>And I'm sure if I want a third time that

931
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 5>would have its own unique memories and things. So yeah,

932
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:14.719
<v Speaker 5>I totally I totally feel that.

933
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I Mean I said it many times on the podcast

934
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 2>before I went this time that this would probably be

935
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:24.480
<v Speaker 2>the last time that I went, and what a last

936
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:27.840
<v Speaker 2>time it would be, you know the statue I was

937
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 2>getting to present something on stage. The Rod Sailing Memorial

938
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Foundation said the number one reason that people said they

939
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.440
<v Speaker 2>had about Sailing Fest was through this podcast. And the

940
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.880
<v Speaker 2>turnout of podcast listeners and friends of the show was

941
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:47.079
<v Speaker 2>just incredible, you know, very humbling. And that's that's even

942
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.199
<v Speaker 2>the ones that I knew about being there. You know,

943
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 2>people have emailed me since and said, you know, I

944
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:54.960
<v Speaker 2>was there, but I didn't come over. You look like

945
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.599
<v Speaker 2>you were swamped and stuff. So so there was more

946
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:02.079
<v Speaker 2>than I even said hello to there who are podcast listeners.

947
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.519
<v Speaker 2>So the turnout of podcast listeners was incredible. So if

948
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:08.880
<v Speaker 2>there was ever a year to bow out on, it

949
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was this year. But it didn't go as planned, you know,

950
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I missed out on a lot

951
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:19.239
<v Speaker 2>because because of the travel issues that I had, and

952
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.199
<v Speaker 2>then by the time I got to Binghamton, I was

953
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 2>just so sick. And I kind of feel that I

954
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 2>would like to rectify that. Whether that's next year, I

955
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe the thing that would get me to

956
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>go back is, you know, I'm working on this book.

957
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 2>And it would be nice to be on a table

958
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 2>in that dealer room with a stack of this book

959
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that is the culmination of this podcast, and you know,

960
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:49.840
<v Speaker 2>be able to sign it and speak to people as

961
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.960
<v Speaker 2>they get the book. That would be pretty amazing. But

962
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I think both of you are a spot on. It's

963
01:00:56.239 --> 01:01:00.159
<v Speaker 2>like who else is going? You know? Because goodness, did

964
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I ever ask for a better tan out than this one?

965
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, man, it was just insane the number

966
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 2>of podcast people who were there, you know, people I

967
01:01:08.519 --> 01:01:12.320
<v Speaker 2>haven't even mentioned yet, like the Twilight pone guys, you know,

968
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and and stuff like that.

969
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 5>Can I say something to that real quick, Tom, I

970
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 5>think because you had met one of them before before, right,

971
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.639
<v Speaker 5>And I love the Twilight poone, I mean obviously the

972
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 5>well it's the internet's third most popular twidzone podcast, as

973
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 5>anybody who listens to it knows, but after you, I mean,

974
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.480
<v Speaker 5>I that was definitely that the twides one podcast listened to.

975
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 5>And so when the three of you guys met kind

976
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 5>of in person here this time, I was just sitting

977
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:39.840
<v Speaker 5>because we were sitting here with each other, and then

978
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 5>you went over and talk to them, and like, I'm like,

979
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.760
<v Speaker 5>so like I kind of heard this. This heard this

980
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.239
<v Speaker 5>off the books crossover of these two podcasts. If you

981
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:49.679
<v Speaker 5>guys talking, Oh so you're you know, Fred and Tom

982
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 5>and John, And that was fun to hear that. It's

983
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 5>fun to talk to them and connect with them, because

984
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.039
<v Speaker 5>I you know, if you listen to the podcast, you

985
01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:00.760
<v Speaker 5>would never expect that they would go to fest. But

986
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 5>the fact that they came in a lot right and

987
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 5>it was it was and they kind of out with us,

988
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:06.639
<v Speaker 5>you know, over the weekend. It was cool to put

989
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 5>some names to faces. And yeah that anyway, since you

990
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 5>since you mentioned them, I wanted to mention that as well.

991
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 5>So and also, you know, Emmy, I think I've taken

992
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.199
<v Speaker 5>for granted now that you and I met each other

993
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:21.039
<v Speaker 5>on this on this trip which together, and.

994
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.599
<v Speaker 4>I only met Tom like for the first time to do this,

995
01:02:23.639 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean this, this was a big part of it

996
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.599
<v Speaker 4>as well. It's like all these people you've spent all

997
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.599
<v Speaker 4>this time speaking to interacting with this kind of stuff,

998
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 4>and that was a big part of I think why

999
01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.079
<v Speaker 4>it probably felt so natural and easy and not awkward

1000
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 4>in any way, you know, because as well as having

1001
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.800
<v Speaker 4>this big thing in common, we felt like we knew

1002
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 4>each other really m yeah.

1003
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So all that to say, I feel like I've

1004
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:51.840
<v Speaker 2>got unfinished business with Sailing Fest. Like I say, whether

1005
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.199
<v Speaker 2>it's next year, I don't know, maybe that's a bit soon,

1006
01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:59.159
<v Speaker 2>but I would certainly like to go with with that

1007
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:03.559
<v Speaker 2>book complete, you know, and be able to speak to people,

1008
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:07.760
<v Speaker 2>so you know, watch this space because what I would

1009
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.840
<v Speaker 2>also say as well is that it would kind of

1010
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:11.679
<v Speaker 2>break my heart if it was the last time I

1011
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 2>ever saw that statue, you know, and I want to

1012
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 2>go when it's sort of beded in, you know, the

1013
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 2>bricks are all down. It is what part of the

1014
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:24.000
<v Speaker 2>scenery I would really like to go and see that again.

1015
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.719
<v Speaker 5>So well, that works with my schedule, Tom, because the

1016
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 5>five year rotation, I think it's gonna about five more years.

1017
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.880
<v Speaker 5>You finished the podcast and your books, wow.

1018
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.159
<v Speaker 4>Thing, So yeah, that's that's your time schedule, Tom. You

1019
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:39.760
<v Speaker 4>have you have five years, very maximum to finish the

1020
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 4>podcast and write the book.

1021
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm on it. I'm on it. Guys. Thank you

1022
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:51.000
<v Speaker 2>so much for being such great travel companions, roommate and

1023
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 2>looking after me when I was sick. I really appreciate it,

1024
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and thank you for coming back and talking about it.

1025
01:03:57.719 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I've been talking about it to anybody who listened. Frank

1026
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.159
<v Speaker 4>place well being able to do this as just an

1027
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:03.000
<v Speaker 4>added bonus.

1028
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, yeah, it's funny just to revisit that great weekend,

1029
01:04:07.119 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 5>as I'm sure we will be doing until our next

1030
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:10.800
<v Speaker 5>great weekend there at Bingington whenever that may.

1031
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Be absolutely okay, Well, that's enough from us and our

1032
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.840
<v Speaker 2>sailing fest coverage and I'll speak to you soon. Bye

1033
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:24.920
<v Speaker 2>for now. So while that might be the end of

1034
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>our sailing fest coverage, it's not the end of your

1035
01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:33.079
<v Speaker 2>sailing fest coverage. In the next episode, I'll be handing

1036
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:37.159
<v Speaker 2>over to some of the attendees so you can hear

1037
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:42.679
<v Speaker 2>their messages about their experiences. Then after that it'll be

1038
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.280
<v Speaker 2>back to business as usual with the episode number twelve

1039
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:49.159
<v Speaker 2>looks just like you and I will speak to you

1040
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.480
<v Speaker 2>soon