Speaker 1: Welcome to the Marvel Lines Podcast, recover everything and everything
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Speaker 1: I'm the Nerve with mouth David Alliance a Semple Volume
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety eight, and by this time next week,
Speaker 1: you know, we we will have uh, you know, we're
Speaker 1: one episode away, you know, from episode three hundred and Man,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like we keep saying, it's been a right,
Speaker 1: it's kind of surreal getting in like the single digits
Speaker 1: now just imminent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were marching on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but uh it's you know, we we took
Speaker 1: off last week because no news, which we we kind
Speaker 1: of called that the week before. So, but we're back
Speaker 1: with our first half of our breakdown of Spiderman Noir
Speaker 1: because we're forty minute episode plus for each episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm good, but I'm not that good to break
Speaker 1: all those down at that point, especially with you know,
Speaker 1: dropping the way it did. But we're gonna do half
Speaker 1: of it this week half of it next week, and
Speaker 1: I think that's a kind of a good digestible thing.
Speaker 1: So h but it's we got some definitely thoughts. But
Speaker 1: how has been your last two weeks?
Speaker 2: My last two weeks, I have been pretty good, just
Speaker 2: you know, working and doing the life things, spend a
Speaker 2: ton of kids. I was in Chicago for a concert
Speaker 2: and then I, yeah, I had fund spent way too
Speaker 2: much money at the Harry Potter store there, and then
Speaker 2: but that that was fun. So we took the train
Speaker 2: down there, which was an experience, and then I got
Speaker 2: some other stuff lined up. So I'm just full gear
Speaker 2: into summer, between working an augmented time frame and then
Speaker 2: going on. And I will say that tomorrow I will
Speaker 2: get to see our friend Brent in person again, so
Speaker 2: I'm kind of excited about that. Ah a bit, you
Speaker 2: got lunch plans, I'll look at that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you had a good trip. Yet, we have
Speaker 1: officially wrapped up the twenty five twenty six school year,
Speaker 1: where I'm at great, awesome results for my school, very
Speaker 1: proud of all the work it was. We've come a
Speaker 1: long way in a year to date, you know, huge, huge,
Speaker 1: like at least ten percent plus results and growth for
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Speaker 1: proud of what they've been able to do. So it's
Speaker 1: summer's coming and opening a new building this summer, so
Speaker 1: people say, oh break mode, No, no, no, I just
Speaker 1: have a different, quieter building at that pointoint. But it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work ahead, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be nice. Next week we start our four
Speaker 1: day weeks, so we'll have three day weekends, uh, for
Speaker 1: for through through July. So I'm gonna soak those up
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to this. But yeah, we've got a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about. And you know, we've talked to some
Speaker 1: Spider Man Noir. You know, we we have the first
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven season two trailer. Now we're not
Speaker 1: even call it teaser. It's a trailer.
Speaker 2: It's a full trailer.
Speaker 1: It's a full on trailer. We're not gonna play that
Speaker 1: a teaser. A teaser is a minute or less in
Speaker 1: my opinion, and this was anything, but one could say
Speaker 1: it teased a lot of things. But yeah, we it's
Speaker 1: very exciting. So it's gonna be a chonky as my
Speaker 1: best friend Chuck would say, we have a lot of
Speaker 1: crunchiness to go over this point, a lot of different
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Speaker 1: a lot of crunchy facts for you chuck this week.
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Speaker 1: last bit of notes. So next week we will record
Speaker 1: at our normal time live for breaking out the next
Speaker 1: episodes of Spider Man Noir. But next Wednesday, not live.
Speaker 1: We are going to record early our three hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: This is scheduling with our guests that are coming on.
Speaker 1: Mister Snell will be returning. We may be having one
Speaker 1: or two other guests joining us. We don't want to
Speaker 1: say we leave it us surprised at this point, but
Speaker 1: mister Snell is confirmed, my original co host for this show.
Speaker 1: Very excited to have him join us. And if you
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Speaker 1: fun on this one. Yes, it's not gonna recorded live,
Speaker 1: so we're trying to figure out some ideas for topics.
Speaker 1: Mister Snell, I know Travis has always got some good
Speaker 1: fun ideas to go on. Because it won't be you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna drop it the following week when it is
Speaker 1: technically episode three hundred, so we'll play that by ear
Speaker 1: how that all works out. But we are excited for
Speaker 1: this three hundred episodes a show that started in June
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty pandemic everything shut down and we've got
Speaker 1: to three hundred shows and and uh gone and gone
Speaker 1: through now three co hosts. So you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say it's me.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited for this. I have been, you know,
Speaker 2: a listener since April of twenty one when Brent first
Speaker 2: introduced to me. So you know, I've gone the pass
Speaker 2: the path of listener Patreon supporter, you know, sometime fill
Speaker 2: in to temporary co host to now sitting in this
Speaker 2: share every week and joy this time with you guys.
Speaker 2: I will I will be out of town next week,
Speaker 2: so I won't be on the live show, but I'm
Speaker 2: also taking my setup with me because there is no
Speaker 2: way that I am missing three hundreds. So I want
Speaker 2: to be there. I will be there. I'm so excited
Speaker 2: for some of the things that I know that we've
Speaker 2: got lined up. Yep.
Speaker 1: So again, so normal, we will be recording normally next
Speaker 1: week at our same time, nine and ten Eastern spend
Speaker 1: of time. Mister Hines will be taking over the co
Speaker 1: hosting slot for that, but David will be on for
Speaker 1: three hundred. That'll drop the following week, not live, so
Speaker 1: we'll see exactly hopefully big drops. We'll have to kind
Speaker 1: of play that one by year, but plan on that
Speaker 1: being the next couple of weeks for us. So all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been you know, taking a bit to get to that,
Speaker 1: but we had a lot of kind of network stuff
Speaker 1: to go over. We wanted to make sure, so again,
Speaker 1: send in those questions. We're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun with it, so we look forward to it. So
Speaker 1: Spider Man Noir Episodes one through four a lot to
Speaker 1: break down a lot to talk about. I have only
Speaker 1: I stopped at episode four. I have not gone any further.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do that so I could remain
Speaker 1: kind of pure and doing that. Also wanted to say
Speaker 1: hello to bears Layer in the chat. He just watched
Speaker 1: the trailer for X Men ninety seven. He's gained for
Speaker 1: the rewatch, so he's liking that Earth Mightiest Heroes. He's
Speaker 1: wondering if we're gonna do some Earth Mighties heroes for
Speaker 1: Coppl Club could be you know, I'm good for Joan Pere,
Speaker 1: George Perez and Kirk Busi X when I try to
Speaker 1: consider the pivotal Avengers run and looks like we have
Speaker 1: at Star Kate in the so appreciate it. I think
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right, my apologies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it looks nice to me, so.
Speaker 1: Hello there, hello, But all right, So yeah, so I
Speaker 1: have not seen the last four episodes, have you, David?
Speaker 1: Have you seen it since time?
Speaker 2: I stopped after four because I wanted to give my
Speaker 2: honest opinion on just one through four. I don't know
Speaker 2: how the second half of this is going to go,
Speaker 2: and I did not want to be tainted by a
Speaker 2: high or a low that impacted that, So I want
Speaker 2: to wanted to just zone in on this is how
Speaker 2: episodes one through four made me feel good, good good.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're not gonna go you know, we'll
Speaker 1: just say a couple like one or two sentences. How
Speaker 1: are you feeling about the show so far?
Speaker 2: Non spoilers, non spoilers. I feel like I've got a
Speaker 2: couple of nitpicks that I will get into, but overall,
Speaker 2: it seems like it's it's been a fun show. I
Speaker 2: mean it's it's Nicholas Cage being Nicholas Cage with a
Speaker 2: Spider Man backdrop. So you know what you're getting going
Speaker 2: into this. And there were times when I just I laughed,
Speaker 2: and there were times where I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: am shocked that they're doing this in a quote unquote
Speaker 2: Marvel show, even though it is on Amazon. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's got some some beats to it, but
Speaker 2: it's it also you know, it's got it nitpicky stuff.
Speaker 2: It is nowhere near perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed it. Like I said, it was, you know,
Speaker 1: him doing the voice in and Spider Verse animated movies
Speaker 1: is great. I love the casting and especially if he
Speaker 1: heard an interview with him this weekend for The New
Speaker 1: York Times and talking about how you know this is
Speaker 1: He has not done significant TV like this, and so
Speaker 1: he wanted to give it a shot, and they came
Speaker 1: doing with a good proposal. He's got a very interesting
Speaker 1: kind of take with kind of the style of his
Speaker 1: voice and he's leaning into the character. And me being
Speaker 1: a huge fan of chuime noir film noir, it is
Speaker 1: very tongue in cheek at points. I like the callouts
Speaker 1: that they do to the genre itself. It is. It
Speaker 1: is fun. I've enjoyed it so far. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: take it so seriously because I know what this is
Speaker 1: and it's and it's hitting those beats so and for
Speaker 1: over forty minute episode episodes for each one is also impressive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree with that. Like it does have
Speaker 2: his tongue in cheek moments. There are times where it
Speaker 2: is shot and it reminds you of just the old
Speaker 2: school noir film. I'm like, Okay, you could tell this
Speaker 2: was soundstage, you can tell this was fancy shooting here
Speaker 2: and there. Like that, they lean into the fact that
Speaker 2: they are going for the old school nostalgia film feel.
Speaker 2: I watched episodes one through four in black and white.
Speaker 2: I did go back and watch the first half of
Speaker 2: the episode one in colored Chess, so I could see
Speaker 2: some of the differences. But yeah, that black and white
Speaker 2: New R film, well, some of this is just it
Speaker 2: can't be beaten. They definitely lean into that. I do
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: How you know, within the phone app and even on
Speaker 1: the TV, you can quickly switch back and forth to
Speaker 1: to the different versions. I did dabble a little bit
Speaker 1: in the color version. I did not like it. I
Speaker 1: did not it totally kind of took me out of
Speaker 1: the experience and and it was just much better. I
Speaker 1: love the character in black white, like the comic character
Speaker 1: in black and white, and it is good. So oh,
Speaker 1: there we go until we got the proper things. So
Speaker 1: Star Katia, Oh okay, that works. I think the four
Speaker 1: was with throwing me off. Okay, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for taking that time. So yes, the black and white,
Speaker 1: I think it's a pure way to watch if you
Speaker 1: love the color version. Not being a hater on you,
Speaker 1: it's just this, it just feels a lot better and
Speaker 1: it gets the era right there.
Speaker 2: So all right, so.
Speaker 1: Let's start breaking these down. We're going to do our best,
Speaker 1: and this is four episodes. We've got to break down.
Speaker 1: I know we kind of go in depth a lot
Speaker 1: of times with single episodes. We're probably not going to
Speaker 1: do that tonight, just to kind of keep time rolling.
Speaker 1: And again we want you to enjoy the show, but
Speaker 1: full spoilers jumping of a spoiler wall. So we opened
Speaker 1: this first episode is called Step into My Office. I
Speaker 1: like how the intro goes, where we're getting an idea
Speaker 1: of who Ben Riley is. This is not the Ben
Speaker 1: Riley we know in love from the comics. This is
Speaker 1: not Peter Parker. This is a different version of the
Speaker 1: Spider Man, which, again, going through these four episodes that
Speaker 1: we've seen, I'm okay with that. I've gotten over that.
Speaker 1: I'll my my gate my my gatekeeping of who Ben
Speaker 1: Riley is my personal preference. I'm not going to gate keep.
Speaker 1: I'm just joking. It's just I have my preference. But
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But I like the very
Speaker 1: quick intro. Who he is, what he's been through. He
Speaker 1: was the Spider, his wife has died under very shady circumstances.
Speaker 1: He's down on his luck. Private detective sets it up, well,
Speaker 1: what did you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, A great opening, got a lot of the backstory
Speaker 2: and exposition out the way, like, hey, he was the
Speaker 2: spider girl died, it was under bad circumstances. He then
Speaker 2: gave up being the spiders, started drinking and became a
Speaker 2: private eye. Boom, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we you know, Ruby says once told him
Speaker 1: that with great power comes great responsibility, and she was
Speaker 1: the greatest responsibility had and he failed her.
Speaker 2: So that is his.
Speaker 1: May his uncle Ben, you know, that's that's who has
Speaker 1: done this. But instead of going to that, instead of
Speaker 1: taking that responsibility, he kind of gave it up and
Speaker 1: lost lost it all.
Speaker 2: So yep, became with no power, becomes no responsibility.
Speaker 1: So where do you want to go to? In this
Speaker 1: first episode, I.
Speaker 2: Like how this this opened up and again really gave
Speaker 2: us that that old school It dove into the vibe
Speaker 2: of the world building, like it really had the cars
Speaker 2: and everything else. And you know, we we see Ben
Speaker 2: Riley in his just his full detective mode and the
Speaker 2: way that he's talking and he's asking these questions about
Speaker 2: this guy Addison and going through there just you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's given the old school feel. Plus also in
Speaker 2: this opening, we get our first sense of his version
Speaker 2: of the Spider Sense, which is a little bit of
Speaker 2: a headache slash tingling on the back of his neck
Speaker 2: type deal. I will get nitpicky. And there's a scene
Speaker 2: in a later episode where the Spider Sense helps him
Speaker 2: break into a safe and I'm like, that's not how
Speaker 2: that works. But other than that, in all the other
Speaker 2: moments where it was just kind of like a quick migrain,
Speaker 2: a chill on the back of the neck, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that that that's a cool way of doing this version
Speaker 2: of the spartisans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like I think where the spider bite happened
Speaker 1: or whatever, because we haven't even gotten to that point
Speaker 1: where it it's kind of gone into how this happened
Speaker 1: to him. We've seen late later in episodes, like how
Speaker 1: the other quote unquote antagonists quote unquote super villains want
Speaker 1: to have this happen to them. But you know, he twit,
Speaker 1: tugs on his neck, feels like something's happening. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: And so we get.
Speaker 1: Addison being this human torch like figure bursting into flames
Speaker 1: I don't know, version of molten Man, but more human
Speaker 1: torch like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it and he gets he gets taken out,
Speaker 2: uh pretty quickly and so and and that's another thing
Speaker 2: that like I liked about, Like, yeah, he turned the flames,
Speaker 2: but the flames didn't stop him from taking three slugs
Speaker 2: to the chess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the I think there was another guy after him,
Speaker 1: like another private detective searching for him. So you know,
Speaker 1: he got he gets also gets knocked unconscious. It goes
Speaker 1: through his Wali finds three dollars to his name and
Speaker 1: says like someone's hired him both to take him and
Speaker 1: then he ended up taking him out. You know, It's
Speaker 1: it's interesting because they're following all these like little cliches
Speaker 1: because the next day, he goes back to his office.
Speaker 1: He hasn't paid his secretary in a while. You know,
Speaker 1: he tells her Addison's dead by name name mister Cannedy
Speaker 1: is dead. As you know, it's just everything's not going right.
Speaker 1: And this other like other mister Cannedy comes in and
Speaker 1: trying to get him to spy on his wife because
Speaker 1: she's meeting up with someone. And it's just like it's
Speaker 1: all these very much interesting film noir tropes. You know,
Speaker 1: the guy trying to spot and his wife because he
Speaker 1: thinks he's cheating on him, but it leads down to
Speaker 1: other different paths for the Pride Detective like this is
Speaker 1: this is not to call it paint by numbers, it's
Speaker 1: just very appropriate apropos for the film noir genre very
Speaker 1: much so.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of something that you would see on
Speaker 2: a TV in the background of like a nowadays movie,
Speaker 2: like them watching something film noir and it having the
Speaker 2: very paint by numbers thing on that, like they went
Speaker 2: through those those various beats and so you know it,
Speaker 2: you get this explosion, you get this molten man, and
Speaker 2: and Ben get it. And then we also start learning,
Speaker 2: you know, early on about the you know, the big
Speaker 2: presence of Silvermain and hear the king their version of
Speaker 2: a kingpin within this city who has taken over. And
Speaker 2: you know, ever since the Spider has quote unquote retired
Speaker 2: or gone away, then he's he's rose to power unchecked.
Speaker 1: And Robbie, uh, Robbie roberts, uh, you know he's me.
Speaker 1: Robbie has called out, you know, his friend. He's he's
Speaker 1: a reporter, and he very clearly knows who Ben.
Speaker 2: Is, yeah, or at least who he used to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And Robbie points out that he like you said,
Speaker 1: he calls him out, saying, you know, since you have
Speaker 1: not been the Spider, Silvermain's been left. He's been left
Speaker 1: to rise to power. And he says, ever since you
Speaker 1: know his his wife passed away or has fiance passed away,
Speaker 1: it's been there. And obviously this is Robbie Roberts in
Speaker 1: a version of the character from the comics that is
Speaker 1: tied to the Daily Bugle Peter Parker things like that
Speaker 1: he's a reporter, but he's also been We find out
Speaker 1: there that he has lost his job at the Bugle,
Speaker 1: so he's kind of a freelance trying to find his
Speaker 1: way back in with these stories, and the Spider was
Speaker 1: his kind of claim to fame. And you know, I
Speaker 1: think Robbie is a genuinely want to do the right thing,
Speaker 1: but he also can use if Ben returns the Spidery,
Speaker 1: he can use that to come back into the limelight himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's wanting him to return. He was not only
Speaker 2: his friend, but he was also his moneymaker. And you
Speaker 2: could tell he's like, you know, you have the ability
Speaker 2: to come back. You know that there's so much going
Speaker 2: on in this city. I'm still working as a reporter.
Speaker 2: But if the Spider was back, not only, you know,
Speaker 2: could we do some good, but also I could get
Speaker 2: back on my feet.
Speaker 1: And after leaving his meet up as Robbie, Ben bumps
Speaker 1: into a boy named Frankie who has been practicing pickpocketing
Speaker 1: and he becomes will be seeing more of him later.
Speaker 1: At that point and through Robbie's story, we learned that
Speaker 1: Silvermain has a big like like you said, he is
Speaker 1: the kingpin of the city. Without doing it again, Silvermain
Speaker 1: is a character from the comics. He is a gang
Speaker 1: person in the comics as well. But you know, at
Speaker 1: this time, we're also in the Great Depression Prohibition. Like
Speaker 1: everyone's down on their luck. No one's making a ton
Speaker 1: of money. Everyone's trying to struggle to make ends meet.
Speaker 1: And it works. And as Ben reads the paper waiting
Speaker 1: outside the hotel where a woman that he's trying to
Speaker 1: case the joint for he's looking into is supposed to
Speaker 1: be meet a suitor he sees he gets to drop
Speaker 1: drops her off, follows her inside, watching as she takes
Speaker 1: the elevator up to the penthouse. And what we see
Speaker 1: is like Ben trying to do a really bad job
Speaker 1: of like trying to get into places or doing different personalities,
Speaker 1: like he's not good at this, but he's also playing
Speaker 1: it up to the point where he's charming at the
Speaker 1: same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is one of the parts where again
Speaker 2: this leans into the non seriousness of this show, where
Speaker 2: there was a bunch of moments where you thought you
Speaker 2: were gonna see Bin go into his old spider persona
Speaker 2: or use some of his powers. And you know, he
Speaker 2: sees her go up to the pittinghouse and he goes
Speaker 2: back outside and he's staring up and you're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's gonna scale the walls you use his web Nope,
Speaker 2: next thing you know, he's running up the scalfolding, up
Speaker 2: the side steps, floor by floor by floor, and just
Speaker 2: little things like that, Like you keep expecting him to
Speaker 2: get into this mode and he's showing you like, no,
Speaker 2: he definitely gave up that spider life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But as the woman meets up, the guys she's meeting
Speaker 1: up with kind of roughs her up, gets ready to
Speaker 1: rougher up, and then Ben shoots webbing as he's hiding
Speaker 1: in there from to stop him. At that point, so
Speaker 1: I think we can gather that he's an organic web
Speaker 1: shooter yes, so, yeah, I was trying to watch that exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're organic web shooting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the first time it was questionable. As we
Speaker 2: get along with this series, it becomes more like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is definitely organic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're also when I'll go in the first episode.
Speaker 2: You know, he has the moment with the lady. You know,
Speaker 2: he takes the pictures of her and things like that.
Speaker 2: Then he goes back to the He goes back and says,
Speaker 2: you know, what he found out about the woman, but
Speaker 2: he's being kind of cautious again, you could you're getting
Speaker 2: more of a sense. A lot of this first episode
Speaker 2: is getting a sense of of who Been is and
Speaker 2: things like that. And you also then go from here
Speaker 2: to more of Silvermain and his control over what's going on,
Speaker 2: and like Silvermain is not one to be messed with
Speaker 2: at all. He he he takes one of the pi's
Speaker 2: and just you know, and this is the first moment
Speaker 2: that shocked me. And we've been talked about it in
Speaker 2: our chat with somebody else who was like, hey, can
Speaker 2: I watch this with my daughter in the room. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he just full on slits of guy's throat right then
Speaker 2: and there, and Uh.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, this was that private eye
Speaker 1: that they had overheard that like Silverman wanted to get
Speaker 1: information about Adison's whereabouts and then they figured out it's
Speaker 1: like oh my god, they don't know that he's dead.
Speaker 1: And and so he's like, oh, we can kind of
Speaker 1: play this dar advantage and and Ben is like, no,
Speaker 1: that don't do that, Like I'm out, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not dealing with any of this at this point, and
Speaker 1: so he warned him saying, don't do this. It was
Speaker 1: interesting though that they when they went to go find
Speaker 1: Adison's body in the morgue, he wasn't burnt up. They
Speaker 1: saw the bullet holes and he wasn't burnt up. So
Speaker 1: that was another thing like what is going on here?
Speaker 2: And so after.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, like they the other private eye meets
Speaker 1: his end because he's playing fast and loose to the truth. Well,
Speaker 1: you screw around, you find out. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he deserved it, but you know, that's what happens when
Speaker 1: you're trying to play around with the mob and try
Speaker 1: to get one over on them, like they're that I
Speaker 1: found it was interesting like the the woman that the
Speaker 1: wife of that husband that they're trying to find who
Speaker 1: she is.
Speaker 2: You know, the the lound.
Speaker 1: Singer for Sale Remains Club. I love the name Kat Hardy.
Speaker 1: This is their version of Alicia Hardy. I thought that
Speaker 1: was very cool. And then you get those people in
Speaker 1: the back saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's not fully shaw Hardy. She's uh, she's of
Speaker 2: Asian descent. It's like it doesn't matter, it is not
Speaker 2: integral to the character. She like let it go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Lee Jung Lee is the actress who plays Cat Hardy.
Speaker 1: I think in these first four episodes she plays the
Speaker 1: fatale of film noir so well, it is yes, perfect,
Speaker 1: she she is channeling all those fan fatales of the genre.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: She's doing a great job. Al four episode she's she
Speaker 1: she channels the damsel the dress, but also she can
Speaker 1: handle herself too, So it's it's very interesting but making
Speaker 1: that realization of who she is, and we said, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we get the introduction of her
Speaker 1: kind of like muscle at that point too, like is
Speaker 1: it I forget this episode or the next episode we
Speaker 1: meet Sandy.
Speaker 2: No, it's so this is where you know, Ben goes
Speaker 2: up to talk to her after her performance, and you know,
Speaker 2: talk about the pictures that he has, and you know
Speaker 2: how he knows that that's the mayor that she was
Speaker 2: arguing with. And then Kat calls over her muscle, which
Speaker 2: turns out to be Flint Marco. And this for comic
Speaker 2: book fans, you know who who Flint Marco is, as
Speaker 2: that's the sand Man, and so we get this universus
Speaker 2: verse of the sand Man.
Speaker 1: So Ben gives her the photo, asks her to meet
Speaker 1: over lunch to discuss the negatives. Ben heads out and
Speaker 1: lest Freddy's help and shaking Flint it. They get into
Speaker 1: kind of a hole back and forth. They end up
Speaker 1: at a.
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: This is where they go into the construction site and
Speaker 1: they have a big kind of back and forth and
Speaker 1: Flint starts transforming into kind of sandman. Like we don't
Speaker 1: get full on, but you start seeing him start changing.
Speaker 1: He punches Ben off of the skyscraper he's getting ready
Speaker 1: to follow Zess and he basically says, all right, fine,
Speaker 1: launch his web gets back into this and takes Flint down,
Speaker 1: and that's when Kat rushes in to the roof, shouting
Speaker 1: Ben to leave her alone. He gives her the negatives
Speaker 1: and says fine, not messing with it.
Speaker 2: Take him.
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with this. The episode ends.
Speaker 1: Cat comes to see Ben in his office the morning
Speaker 1: after at saying that Flint is disappeared and she needs
Speaker 1: some help because after she he reveals to a secretary, Oh,
Speaker 1: I just give him to him. I didn't make any
Speaker 1: money like he gives away so much like every time
Speaker 1: he's had a chance to make some money le quote
Speaker 1: unquote legitimately, it's he ends up trying to throw away.
Speaker 1: He's more willing to do things illegitimately than he is legitimately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could tell his secretary is over some
Speaker 2: of the choices that he's making. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Episode two tread lightly all right, David, tell where are
Speaker 1: we going? You know, let's break down with this ones.
Speaker 1: We got Kat asking him to help him find Flint.
Speaker 2: Where we're going, Yes, so we we get this. She's
Speaker 2: there and she brings up the fight on the roof.
Speaker 2: She goes, yeah, you know, he has been having these
Speaker 2: moments where you know, he gets angry and everything else,
Speaker 2: or he dips. He she even makes him mention. She goes,
Speaker 2: he never really goes away for long periods of time,
Speaker 2: except four times when he gets hit in the head
Speaker 2: by a still beam, referring to the fight the night before.
Speaker 2: So she asked him to go find Flint, and Ben
Speaker 2: decides to get to work, you know, and he goes
Speaker 2: to Flint's apartment to go try and track him down.
Speaker 1: And you know, when they're going to the apartment, I
Speaker 1: don't think he's alone, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the he gets in there, he starts looking around
Speaker 2: and there a couple of Silvermain's thugs show up. Silvermain
Speaker 2: had mentioned, like right beforehand that you know, he knows
Speaker 2: Flint and he's been acting strange. So he has his
Speaker 2: right hand man, Winston, send some goons out there to
Speaker 2: also find Flint and see what's going on. So when
Speaker 2: Ben arrives, he's going around, he hears some a knock
Speaker 2: at the door and he quickly slips into a closet,
Speaker 2: only to realize that he forgot his hat. So we
Speaker 2: see him kind of open it up, shoot his web,
Speaker 2: pull that hat in real quick.
Speaker 1: If you put closed captioning on the closed caption goes
Speaker 1: the whip.
Speaker 2: I gad one of those.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is.
Speaker 2: They did it. They did the thing. Yeah, now the one.
Speaker 2: The biggest part about this scene is that Ben finds
Speaker 2: some photos and he sees that Flint was, you know,
Speaker 2: in the service before, and he also sees the man
Speaker 2: that was on fire previously that they thought burnt down
Speaker 2: silvermains Addison businesses, and then you know, he sees some
Speaker 2: other people in this photo. So he gets a sense
Speaker 2: of okay, there there's something deeper going on here with
Speaker 2: Flint and his ties to his military service and like he.
Speaker 1: And we learned that Ben was part of it. Was
Speaker 1: in World War One and was a very bloody affair.
Speaker 1: And yes, the ties that they have at this point,
Speaker 1: So he adds down. Ben heads down to the alcove
Speaker 1: and finds Kat playing the individual piano and forms of
Speaker 1: what's he's found, and she admits that she knew he
Speaker 1: was in the war. He asked her about Allison, Kat
Speaker 1: denies knowing him. Ben reveals that he's the man who
Speaker 1: burned down silver Remain's place, and now he's dead too,
Speaker 1: and as is the PI you tracked him down. So
Speaker 1: Silvermain owns the Alco and the club lives or dies
Speaker 1: by Cat's performances. Cat's fascinated by Ben's admitting that he's interest.
Speaker 1: He's he's interesting and braver than he lets on. And
Speaker 1: so again she's you know, so called, putting her claws
Speaker 1: into him in a way. So when he leaves, when
Speaker 1: it's looking down over him from the cross the way,
Speaker 1: his face is now partially transformed into sand. So he
Speaker 1: is close by and then longingly looks at it at
Speaker 1: Cat in her apartment. So he's in hiding. So something's
Speaker 1: going on that he feels he needs to be in hiding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's doing the roaming from this shadows thing, but
Speaker 2: he's still staying close to Cat. And then after this
Speaker 2: we get one of my favorite funny scenes where Ben
Speaker 2: gets back to his apartment, spitey sense goes off. Two
Speaker 2: goons approach him in the apartment and he's gonna go
Speaker 2: use his webs to defend himself, and he does the
Speaker 2: motion and nothing happens, and they're just looking at him
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh, so you know, ty Chi, it
Speaker 2: helps with the breathing and relaxation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had to go back and forth on that one,
Speaker 1: saying like did he not want it to happen or
Speaker 1: did he want it to happen? So, yeah, they for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they just didn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if that's going to.
Speaker 1: Come in revisiting again. It hasn't in the next couple
Speaker 1: of episodes that we've seen. I just felt very random.
Speaker 1: So that's why person. Oh, he doesn't want to he
Speaker 1: doesn't reveal himself, but he did. He didn't care at
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he turns around and just throws a
Speaker 2: toaster and busts the guy one of the thugs nose
Speaker 2: open and the guy he takes a toaster like a
Speaker 2: chap nose Bluddy looks up and Ben's just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: sorry about that. So the fighting susy. They end up
Speaker 2: taking Ben and throwing him in the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they you know, while he's getting driven off,
Speaker 1: like they're having a chat back and forth, and you know,
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: He he goes, uh, I'm sorry about your nose. And
Speaker 2: the gon gooes that was the other guy, and then
Speaker 2: Ben punches him in the nose instead, So now both
Speaker 2: of them are sitting there with broken noses. As Ben
Speaker 2: jumps out the car, they try and give chase on
Speaker 2: this bridge. He swoars through some cars. They lose him.
Speaker 2: They look over the bridge, can't find him, and then
Speaker 2: we see him hanging doing the one hand hang off
Speaker 2: the bottom of the bridge.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's pure Spider Man at that point. Yea, So
Speaker 1: we get the mayor. Mayor's running for office. He's the
Speaker 1: one that was with kat. Robbie asked Ben about his bruising,
Speaker 1: and Ben encourages him to tread lightly on add some
Speaker 1: story just because of what's going on. Mayor is promising
Speaker 1: to end prohibition if they vote him in.
Speaker 2: That's not his.
Speaker 1: Decision, that's a federal government decision at that point.
Speaker 2: So it's not how that works, Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: So you know, politics are making promises they don't intend
Speaker 1: to keep. So Silvermin's men end up having to Like
Speaker 1: they end up going through what is it Ben's office
Speaker 1: and tearing it apart and threatening to kill.
Speaker 2: Janet and that's no good. Yeah, they they have her
Speaker 2: at gunpoint and saying any information that she knows when
Speaker 2: they come back, they better tell her she's going to
Speaker 2: be as dead as the other private investigator who still that.
Speaker 2: They slit.
Speaker 1: And Janet tells Ben she's done. She's not dealing with this.
Speaker 1: She has bills to pay, she's not taking risking her
Speaker 1: life about this. He's he's not, you know, the person
Speaker 1: he used to be, and she's just she loves him,
Speaker 1: but loves him as like a friend, but is not
Speaker 1: willing to die for him. And that's that kicks up.
Speaker 1: Ben's like saying, all right, I'm gonna do this, so
Speaker 1: he ends up. He disguises himself as the super repairman,
Speaker 1: goes into his old place where he hid his spider uniform,
Speaker 1: breaks through, and then takes it back, and you know,
Speaker 1: we say, all right, well, he's kind of getting back
Speaker 1: into that moment. And following his conversation with the myscer
Speaker 1: man at Addison's place, Robbie chases his lead and heads
Speaker 1: up to the room to speak with missus Addison and
Speaker 1: she tries to slam the door in the face. Robbie
Speaker 1: informs her that James died, but she doesn't shed a
Speaker 1: tear and mentions that he started to set fire six
Speaker 1: months ago and found that he had a innate talent
Speaker 1: for it. So this is a new thing for him.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Robbie goes meets to see Flint. Uh, the man Robbie
Speaker 1: met goes to see Flint and tells him that James
Speaker 1: is dead. And the reporter came looking for him at
Speaker 1: that point. So things are starting to get a little
Speaker 1: tangled up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, We're starting to get more more weaves
Speaker 2: to this story. I didn't like the scene with Robbie
Speaker 2: meeting up with missus Addison and you know he she
Speaker 2: tries to slams the door in his face and he
Speaker 2: puts his foot. There's like, no, I need to talk
Speaker 2: to you, and she goes, uh, you wouldn't want me
Speaker 2: to scream and say that a black man is trying
Speaker 2: to enter my house. That wouldn't look good for you,
Speaker 2: would And then he goes, you wouldn't want me to
Speaker 2: scream and tell everyone about how your husband was involved
Speaker 2: in the fire at Silvermins and all the people who
Speaker 2: are looking for him. He goes, in my voice goes
Speaker 2: a lot farther than yours. She then goes, okay, we
Speaker 2: can talk. Yeah again that that.
Speaker 1: Is of the era.
Speaker 2: So people say, oh, that's racist. It's like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't right then. I'm not saying it was right now,
Speaker 1: but that's that's the era. Yeah, but there no, you know,
Speaker 1: Winston checks out the docks and all seems good for
Speaker 1: the big deal to go down. So every man's given
Speaker 1: the go ahead to come down for.
Speaker 2: The meeting.
Speaker 1: And we see Ben in full costume swinging through. It
Speaker 1: looks good. It really does look good for a TV
Speaker 1: show budget, a streaming show budget. They made this website
Speaker 1: and go good. We get a great fight on her hands,
Speaker 1: showcasing his town. He even kind of masks his voice
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, you know, kind of pulling up.
Speaker 2: He doesn't that man.
Speaker 1: He does a little man there, and again it's meant
Speaker 1: to be kind of slightly comical too, and you know,
Speaker 1: takes down the guys, gets into the car. Silverman's I
Speaker 1: want you to back off, Bend Riley, you back off,
Speaker 1: I'll stay out of your business, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you backing off has allowed me to rise
Speaker 1: to flame, So that's all you need to do is
Speaker 1: back off. End rally fine. But later at the end
Speaker 1: of the episode we find out from Robbie who's at
Speaker 1: the scene, and there's a big shoot up between the
Speaker 1: police and what's left of Silverman's main Silver Mains Men
Speaker 1: that they got a tip that he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be there at the thing, but something spooked him off
Speaker 1: and he wasn't there. So now they've got all these
Speaker 1: kind of underlings who don't want to like play ball,
Speaker 1: and the big bust didn't go as a planned and
Speaker 1: now Ben's beating himself up saying, shoot, I screwed this up.
Speaker 1: The Silverman could have been taken down and I didn't
Speaker 1: need to do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came out and this scene with him facing
Speaker 2: off against the goons and getting in the car with
Speaker 2: Silver Main. There were moments where you could tell, you know,
Speaker 2: Ben's older, he's out of practice. You know, he he
Speaker 2: missed one of his webbing shots, but you know, turn
Speaker 2: it around. He did a lot of talking to himself
Speaker 2: and quipping during this moment, which I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're getting again full full Spider Man here.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, even no older equipping and still equipping none
Speaker 1: the less.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we end the episode like that and
Speaker 1: we head into episode three, Double Cross.
Speaker 2: So you know, silver Main's been looking.
Speaker 1: For who this rat is because someone's tipped off the
Speaker 1: cops that they were supposed to be there, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to figure this all out. You know, Ben's Ben's
Speaker 1: working to clean up his office. It sure's Robbie that
Speaker 1: Janet that Silverman won't ever be a problem anymore, and
Speaker 1: that he points out that Robbie had thought the search
Speaker 1: for answers. Ben asked Janet to look into whether Addison
Speaker 1: Flinter the Man was there. Ever, Pow says they couldn't
Speaker 1: have served in the same unit as the units were segregated.
Speaker 1: That's when they get a knock on the door and
Speaker 1: get a new client. And who comes through that door
Speaker 1: with those interesting brutes?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Silvermain comes in and he's got his his
Speaker 2: two thugs who have been throughout the story. And it's
Speaker 2: funny because Ben first thing he says, like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna talk to you until they apologize to
Speaker 2: my girl like that they were out of line. And
Speaker 2: Silvermain looks at him and he's like, I guess you
Speaker 2: guys know the girl in an apology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Silvermain wants to hire him to find out
Speaker 1: what does what does he hire him to find out.
Speaker 1: He wants to figure out who's who's done this, Like
Speaker 1: who hired who's the rat?
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the rat? Who hired?
Speaker 1: I like, who is ratting them out? And he takes
Speaker 1: the He takes the deal, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but his secretary is a little bit upset by this.
Speaker 2: But Ben's also like, yeah, our options are die by
Speaker 2: Silvermain's hands or take his money and we need to
Speaker 2: eat yep.
Speaker 1: And he's he's a hefty retainer to do that. But
Speaker 1: Ben notices something about it and then looks at the money,
Speaker 1: knows something. Then looks at Cat's money she paid to
Speaker 1: help help her find Flint, he notices something. They're marked.
Speaker 1: They're not just marked, they're marked in different places. Silverman
Speaker 1: pays people in marked bills, literally, but pays them in
Speaker 1: marked bills that he knows where he's turning in his
Speaker 1: money too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a smart play on him, And that's
Speaker 2: also a smart play on Ben. And as silver remains leaving,
Speaker 2: he you know, he says, uh, men lie, but money
Speaker 2: doesn't so and and that all will come back full
Speaker 2: circle a little bit later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so talked about what's going on with Robbie in
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 2: All right, So Robbie is he's trying to get his
Speaker 2: his job back, and so he's he's got a story,
Speaker 2: a lead on a story, and he goes down to
Speaker 2: the alleyway where he finds everyone out there and you know,
Speaker 2: Flints there and we see some other characters that were
Speaker 2: you're going to get introduced to their and as Robbie's
Speaker 2: looking around for these men and trying to track down
Speaker 2: what's going on, the police come and just start tearing
Speaker 2: the this little community apart that we're all these homeless encampment.
Speaker 2: They just start tearing it apart, hitting people with sticks,
Speaker 2: throwing people around, and Robbie is in the middle of it,
Speaker 2: and like a true reporter, he pulls out his camera
Speaker 2: and he starts taking a picture and everything else, and
Speaker 2: you know, we get our first look at, you know,
Speaker 2: some more characters that are going to be step out,
Speaker 2: because we have this this big, strong black man who
Speaker 2: steps out and you don't know who he is at
Speaker 2: this point, but you're you're starting to get just a
Speaker 2: little bit of an inkling. But he steps out and
Speaker 2: he starts protecting all the city, all the people that's
Speaker 2: in there, and turns out it's it's Lonnie Lincoln, it's Tombstone,
Speaker 2: and they go to swing their batons at him and
Speaker 2: they begin to break in between him and Flint. They
Speaker 2: just start taking out these cops left and right, as
Speaker 2: Robbie's taking pictures of all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're trying to bust up the the at the time,
Speaker 1: the Hoovervilles and things like that, and they they're the
Speaker 1: police are not necessarily doing the right thing. They're they're
Speaker 1: not being you know, they're they're they're hurting civilians. They're
Speaker 1: hurting no one. And so Wyn who are new or
Speaker 1: our version of Tombstone and this one kind of a
Speaker 1: transformation instead of Tombstone just being Tombstone already. It's like
Speaker 1: a transformation for him. And when Robbie puts it out,
Speaker 1: sells it to the Beagle, the editor review is like, fine,
Speaker 1: give me this stuff. Keep doing this, maybe you'll get
Speaker 1: your job back at that point, but they take his
Speaker 1: pictures and put a new headline like planting Tombstone and
Speaker 1: Flint and them us going after the cops versus what
Speaker 1: the truth was. The cops are in this case, we're
Speaker 1: not on the up and up, and yeah, should have been.
Speaker 2: These monsters attacking the city, and so.
Speaker 1: Robbie's very upset about that because he was trying to
Speaker 1: get those get like, you know, our version of Tombstone
Speaker 1: and looking thing like, hey, I want to be on
Speaker 1: your side. I want to tell the right story. But
Speaker 1: this doesn't make it look like that. So he's saying, great,
Speaker 1: I'm screwed because they're going to think I would lie
Speaker 1: to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, but during Ben's investigation, he ends up finding out
Speaker 1: that who is the.
Speaker 2: Rat Who's He ends up piecing together that cat is
Speaker 2: the rat.
Speaker 1: Cats figure that all out, and when Ben confronts Addison's wife,
Speaker 1: she knows like he's telling him to get out of town.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, you're trying to tell me to
Speaker 1: get out of town because I know who the rat is.
Speaker 1: I know who it is. I know it's Cat. So
Speaker 1: I'll get out of town if you pay me one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars And he's like, okay, I'll get that. Well,
Speaker 1: then he gets into you know, he's gone back and
Speaker 1: forth to meet with Silvermin and his place and they've
Speaker 1: had this kind of interesting back and forth. He he
Speaker 1: puts the he webs the door the door latch so
Speaker 1: it doesn't close which is interesting. I know Spider Man's
Speaker 1: webbing doesn't It does disintegrate, but after a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was like that long could have
Speaker 1: stayed on. So that was kind of interesting to see
Speaker 1: the webbing still there when he breaks into the apartment.
Speaker 1: And this is where you had your nitpick about the
Speaker 1: the him Ben getting into the safe as a spy.
Speaker 2: Yes, he goes into Silvermain's safe, breaks in because Vera
Speaker 2: said that the only way that she would give up
Speaker 2: information and you know, help Ben and things like that,
Speaker 2: z if he gave her a thousand dollars, A thousand
Speaker 2: dollars and this time is a lot of money, to
Speaker 2: the point where earlier Silvermain gives Ben a fifty and
Speaker 2: his secretary is like, yeah, that you've never seen something
Speaker 2: like that, even here that they make it as one hundred,
Speaker 2: like so a thousand dollars is a lot of money
Speaker 2: by this time. So Ben goes in and he steals
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars from Silvermain's safe, and he uses his
Speaker 2: spidery sense to break into the safe and you know,
Speaker 2: he he almost gets out of there very clean, but
Speaker 2: right as he does, the door that doesn't lash because
Speaker 2: his webbing is still there. Six hours later, slams. Everyone
Speaker 2: wakes up. But luckily, you know, Ben's able to hide
Speaker 2: in the shadows and not get caught before going and
Speaker 2: giving Vera this this thousand dollars and.
Speaker 1: I just want to say this Brendan Gleeson place SI
Speaker 1: remains so well, like he yes, it's it's to the
Speaker 1: point like I don't even think it's camp. It's just
Speaker 1: he's playing the part of a gangster from the era.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so at this point Ben was supposed to
Speaker 2: meet up with Kat. He's like, hey, you know, there's
Speaker 2: one final piece to this, but then he gets stopped
Speaker 2: because the mayor wants to see him right here, right now.
Speaker 2: And the mayor is saying, hey, I know from your
Speaker 2: past that you know the Spider put me in touch
Speaker 2: with him so that I can work with him to
Speaker 2: he says, save the city, but in reality, I need
Speaker 2: some campaign points. So Ben ends up missing his appointment
Speaker 2: with Kat, and he finds out out from the young
Speaker 2: man that he was employing earlier that all right, Cat's
Speaker 2: already made her way down to the train station. Ben
Speaker 2: goes down there, meets up with her, and that's when
Speaker 2: Silvermain's goons show up and says, everyone's coming with us.
Speaker 2: So at this point we have been we have Kat,
Speaker 2: we have Missus Addison, we have silver Remain's right hand Winston,
Speaker 2: and they're all standing over a series of graves as
Speaker 2: silver Remains like, I want to know who the rat is,
Speaker 2: and you know, missus Addison gives gives this story about
Speaker 2: you know, her husband and things like that, and it's
Speaker 2: like she was paid one thousand dollars and Silvermain grabs
Speaker 2: the thousand dollars and looks at it and begins to
Speaker 2: kind of laugh to himself, and Winston was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: now we know what's going on. Let's take him out.
Speaker 2: And Silverman goes, you know, there's something I do with
Speaker 2: my money. I mark every one of my bills and
Speaker 2: I marked them different for everyone on my payroll, so
Speaker 2: I know where my money's going and how it gets
Speaker 2: back to me, and I mark yours in a very
Speaker 2: specific way. Uh. To that point, miss Addison speaks up
Speaker 2: again and says, yes, he told me to line. He
Speaker 2: told me to say it was you, and Winston is
Speaker 2: shocked and he's like, no, I'm I'm your guy. I'm
Speaker 2: here to help you I'm your friend. I would never
Speaker 2: know it in pow, so Remain shoots him dead right there.
Speaker 2: He falls into a grave and then he turns and
Speaker 2: shoots the thugs who are with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know what that. We don't know at
Speaker 1: the time, like he just shoots that shoot at that point,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we don't know what was the episode who shoot?
Speaker 2: So yeah, he has been if he's good with a shovel,
Speaker 2: because he informs him he'll be needing another grave and
Speaker 2: then that's when we get a shot and that ends
Speaker 2: episode two.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, let's uh, let's kind of conclude are
Speaker 1: this by kind of get getting through episode four a
Speaker 1: mistake I'll never make again. So it jumps out slightly.
Speaker 1: With Kats performing at the alcove, we see Ben with
Speaker 1: Silvermain and learned that it was Geo who he shot.
Speaker 1: Uh seems Silvermain brought bought the story Ben sold him
Speaker 1: with no questions. But he's not done searching for answers.
Speaker 1: While he caught the rat, He's planning on taking talking
Speaker 1: to the police to chief tomorrow to get answers on
Speaker 1: why he ran the raid when he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be in his pocket. So he's still not feeling safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Kat walks up and she's still
Speaker 2: a little bit shaky. She asked silvermin you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you you almost killed me last night because of this,
Speaker 2: and asked how he feels about that, and silver Maine's
Speaker 2: pretty honest, like, hey, this was business. If you know,
Speaker 2: I shot the rat. If you were the rat, I
Speaker 2: would have shot you too, So you know what, go ahead, Uh,
Speaker 2: but instead we're going to celebrate, So go get me
Speaker 2: some more whiskey and let celebrate that. That's when Kat
Speaker 2: goes into the back room and just has a nice
Speaker 2: little cry to herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they have we cut to Janet and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be cut to Kat and Silvermain having a
Speaker 1: conversation and basically Silverman's saying, well, you know, the PI
Speaker 1: basically saved your life because p I said that you
Speaker 1: were the rat, you would be dead.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Kat.
Speaker 1: Said she was terrified because he was unhinged and that
Speaker 1: said Ben wasn't there to protect her and he was
Speaker 1: watching for Silvermain, but he must have figured out that
Speaker 1: she was in on it until Ben put it together
Speaker 1: that Winston was trying to frame her. You know, Janet's
Speaker 1: working with Freddy to try to teach him lessons as
Speaker 1: a as a call comes through from Kat, who requests
Speaker 1: Ben meet her at the Calypso Ben goes out to
Speaker 1: meet and sees Kat, and she tells him the story
Speaker 1: that she told Silvermain and notes that hell that Hill
Speaker 1: start asking questions about the raid. Ben asked why she
Speaker 1: why she tried to kill hermine, and she notes that
Speaker 1: this isn't the place to tell that story. So there's
Speaker 1: more to that than anything. Yeah, So what happens they go,
Speaker 1: They go someplace else where they're probably less listening. And
Speaker 1: what did she reveal?
Speaker 2: So she tells the story about you know, her and
Speaker 2: Flint Marco, how you know they how they came together
Speaker 2: and they were involved with each other, and you know
Speaker 2: he surprised her with the ring and she surprised him
Speaker 2: by saying yes to that. And you know she is
Speaker 2: giving the backstory of where of their connection.
Speaker 1: And you know it's going closer, she's getting they're both
Speaker 1: getting close to each other, Ben and Kat, which is
Speaker 1: again it's for the trope. Yeah, and you know she
Speaker 1: tells about a man named Thomas who began coming to
Speaker 1: the club night after night, a dentist who eventually wore
Speaker 1: her down and when he's when Thomas stopped coming, she
Speaker 1: thought she did something wrong and later found out Silvermain
Speaker 1: had him killed.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know. So, and she she's going to she
Speaker 2: vout to to not make that mistake where you know,
Speaker 2: silvermin knows, and so he he takes out whoever's associated
Speaker 2: with her because Silvermain's made it very clear that like
Speaker 2: she is the the star attraction, the moneymaker of this club.
Speaker 2: She hasn't missed a show in over six years. And
Speaker 2: you know he he is relying on her. He basically
Speaker 2: he picks what she wears, how she looks everything else
Speaker 2: he controls her. Yep.
Speaker 1: And so after killing time talking to him with a
Speaker 1: man on the street pedling cigarette, Robbie follows a man
Speaker 1: uh serving meals to Vets, which eventually leads him to
Speaker 1: an alleyway where the man hands off a meal till
Speaker 1: Lonnie ak tombstone. Robbie tells Lonnie the story they prince
Speaker 1: wasn't the one he gave him and asked for him
Speaker 1: to talk, and Kat and Ben head off in a
Speaker 1: car together, where Kat admits that Ben that she didn't
Speaker 1: think that that. She admits to Ben that she didn't
Speaker 1: think that she can be alone tonight, and Ben asked
Speaker 1: the driver to turn around and go back together and say, oh,
Speaker 1: we're getting kind.
Speaker 2: Of now, yeah, which was again kind of shocking that,
Speaker 2: you know, she had this thing with Flint. She talked
Speaker 2: about the other guy getting murdered. But hey, here we
Speaker 2: are going with Ben. At this point, we see Flint
Speaker 2: go to Silvermain and he tells him that, hey, I
Speaker 2: was just lying low but ready to work. Silvermain's happy
Speaker 2: to have him back and tells him that, you know,
Speaker 2: he killed Winston who was the rat. And this news
Speaker 2: surprises Flint and his face begins to turn.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We get the sense that Flint knew that Kat was
Speaker 2: the rat, but you know, he wasn't going to say anything.
Speaker 2: And Silverman reminds him that he's always been loyal and
Speaker 2: he's welcomed back, you know, and he's gonna be his
Speaker 2: right hand man again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we learn Also we get some more information
Speaker 1: from Lonnie about what happened during the war, and so
Speaker 1: Janet asks Lonnie about his locket, which has an H
Speaker 1: on it, and he lets her know that it stands
Speaker 1: for Helen, his mom's name. Robbie tells Lonnie about his
Speaker 1: brother who was a pow, and Lonnie admits that the
Speaker 1: Germans got to him too, and Robbie questions whether they
Speaker 1: did something to them, and Lonnie mentions Doc Faber can
Speaker 1: explain things better than him just but once they transform,
Speaker 1: it's hard to turn back. So we're getting some ideas
Speaker 1: and maybe some this is the result of some things
Speaker 1: from the war. Ben takes Cap back to his place
Speaker 1: and pours him a drink. You know, he did the job,
Speaker 1: you know. He tells about Ruby and that they were happy.
Speaker 1: He did a job and deadbeat husband ended up doing
Speaker 1: hard crime. It was out for revenge. He doesn't know
Speaker 1: how he knew he was close to Ruby, but he did,
Speaker 1: and he killed her that night. But Ben was too
Speaker 1: busy to get drunk to town to know that she
Speaker 1: was in danger and got home too late, and he
Speaker 1: killed her to make him suffer. So there's the truth
Speaker 1: of what happened at that point.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, this is what caused him to hang up his
Speaker 1: hang up his mask for the time being. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I like it how we're teasing this stuff out amongst
Speaker 1: the characters. I like this kind of trope. We don't
Speaker 1: get it all at once. We're building to the point
Speaker 1: where okay, now it's necessary to know what happened here,
Speaker 1: very organic and I like how they're presenting it.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, good good story building. We're going to lead
Speaker 2: to you know, him and Ben and Cat getting a
Speaker 2: lot closer. After this, we cut to an amazing scene
Speaker 2: with Silvermin where he he's been a little bit pissed
Speaker 2: off at the Chief of Police because he wanted the
Speaker 2: Chief of police to meet him and have a talk
Speaker 2: with him about this raid and he's been ducking him.
Speaker 2: So Silvermain goes and crashes the dinner between the mayor
Speaker 2: and the Chief of Police, who skipped out on his
Speaker 2: weekly check in lunch the previous day, and Silvermain suggests
Speaker 2: he will replace the mayor, and the mayor suggests that
Speaker 2: Silvermain would be dumb to think that he would go quietly.
Speaker 2: Silvermain reminds him that every four years he decides who
Speaker 2: will sit in the chair, as the mayor suggests he
Speaker 2: still has cars to play and that Silvermain had a
Speaker 2: good run. And at this point Silvermain introduces Flint, who
Speaker 2: steps forward and with one solid punch, breaks through the
Speaker 2: table that they're sitting at to show you know that
Speaker 2: Silvermain's got the power and the muscle. He has the power.
Speaker 1: So going back to Cat and Ben, Cat suggests that
Speaker 1: he saved her because he couldn't save Ruby, but he
Speaker 1: says he did it because he didn't want to feel worse.
Speaker 1: He admits that he feels alone. She takes his hand
Speaker 1: and tells him that they can be alone. They can
Speaker 1: be alone together. Ben Askkat what she's planning on going.
Speaker 1: She tells him about her dream of going to Sanchorini
Speaker 1: and you know, it's this whole idea, you know. She
Speaker 1: tries to get Ben to come along to help Flind,
Speaker 1: but he tells her to go. He refuses as she
Speaker 1: calls him a coward and storms out. That's all part
Speaker 1: of Ben's plan. He wanted her out of there so
Speaker 1: he can transform and get down there. When Ben calls
Speaker 1: Robbie to say, get your camera, this is going to
Speaker 1: be one to see the Spider. He's there in Spider costume.
Speaker 1: And it's not Flint that's there. It's a new electrical
Speaker 1: battye that we all know is Electro, this version of
Speaker 1: Electro at that point, so this is a very not
Speaker 1: a great battle for the Spider. It does not go
Speaker 1: very well, for many different reasons. You can say that
Speaker 1: he is out of practice. He is not his agility,
Speaker 1: but is also you're facing someone who just you know,
Speaker 1: has no morals, has no things, not gonna hold back,
Speaker 1: and he'll kill He would kill the Spider if if
Speaker 1: he had that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this man that he's facing with these
Speaker 2: electrical powers, he he he is high on these powers.
Speaker 2: He is enjoying himself and he's like, oh man, I
Speaker 2: get to fight the Spider and this is gonna be
Speaker 2: be great. And you know, they they begin to go
Speaker 2: at it, and you know, Ben is getting beat pretty
Speaker 2: pretty badly. He shoots his web and you know, the
Speaker 2: guy retorts with shooting electricity back through the web to
Speaker 2: stop him and everything else, and and they go back
Speaker 2: and forth. He even gets Ben gets distracted at one
Speaker 2: point because he sees Cat in the crowd, and you know,
Speaker 2: they keep fighting. And then finally, after Ben sees that
Speaker 2: he's charging up on the electrical box, Ben rips the
Speaker 2: electrical lines out of the sky so that he has
Speaker 2: nothing else to pull from. And as this guy's starting
Speaker 2: to drain, he gets that nice good shot in there
Speaker 2: to knock him out. And then we get the mayor
Speaker 2: coming out of nowhere and grabbing him, holding his arm
Speaker 2: up like he just won a championship for a photo op,
Speaker 2: telling Robbie to take his picture, and announces that me
Speaker 2: and the Spider House have teamed up to save this
Speaker 2: city and we're going to be working together. And Ben's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, not a thing, not signing up for this at
Speaker 1: this point. So the episode ends back in Ben's apartment,
Speaker 1: and during this fight, Kat is out there watching him,
Speaker 1: just staring at him, watching the Spider like she's at
Speaker 1: this point, I've started realizing that she's starting to pieces
Speaker 1: together well.
Speaker 2: Being back at Ben's apartment, he stretches out after his
Speaker 2: fight to rest his catarives. Ben asked if they are,
Speaker 2: you know, cool as what's going on and what's happening.
Speaker 2: She notices a couple of things. She notices that his
Speaker 2: face is bruised. Also, when he asks Kat, you know,
Speaker 2: how's everything going, he doesn't ask her about, you know,
Speaker 2: the fact that she had to leave is Flint okay
Speaker 2: and everything else, And so at this point she's she's
Speaker 2: definitely got some things pieced together. And so she starting
Speaker 2: to back to the window and she looks at him
Speaker 2: and she goes, you know, just tell me this one thing,
Speaker 2: and he's like, what said? She goes up, Am I right?
Speaker 2: And she falls backwards out of the window. We see
Speaker 2: the slow cinematic fall, very much reminiscent of you know,
Speaker 2: the die Hard falling out of Nachotomi Plaza, the slow
Speaker 2: fall out there forcing Bin to prove to her that
Speaker 2: he is the Spider. We get the the moment of
Speaker 2: getting the catch a la Gwen Stacy with the attaching
Speaker 2: to the chats and pulling up and so he pulls
Speaker 2: her back into the window and she looks at him
Speaker 2: and says, nice to meet you, mister Spider, and they
Speaker 2: share a kiss, and that is how we end episode four.
Speaker 2: So again it's there hasn't been a lot of major
Speaker 2: action moments within these first four episodes, a lot of
Speaker 2: story building, but you know it, it's been a fun
Speaker 2: ride so far and I'm looking forward to see where
Speaker 2: we are going to go next with this. Like Chris said,
Speaker 2: he's only watched the first four episodes. I have only
Speaker 2: watched the first four episodes, and you know, we have
Speaker 2: done that on purpose so that we don't have any
Speaker 2: mixed about where the rest of this is going to go.
Speaker 2: I've heard from people that the rest of it is,
Speaker 2: you know, pretty awesome, and I'm excited to see it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I definitely wanted to reserve that moment for
Speaker 2: when we actually watch it. So those are the first
Speaker 2: four episodes of Spider Man Noir. Again, we will be
Speaker 2: back next week. Chris and mister Travis Hines will be
Speaker 2: back in order to watch or give their review of
Speaker 2: the second half of this season. So with that being said,
Speaker 2: let's go into our next a break, and then we
Speaker 2: will go into our one story, which is the X
Speaker 2: Men ninety seven trailers. So again, listeners, these ads help
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Speaker 2: give you a second to turn down the volume if
Speaker 2: you have to. So here they go, three, two one,
Speaker 2: and we are back. Okay, So, if you haven't noticed yet,
Speaker 2: Chris is not here right now. He was on but
Speaker 2: got kicked. He's having some internet issues getting back into
Speaker 2: stream yard, like I had some some freezing issues as well,
Speaker 2: and it took me a second to get in and
Speaker 2: back out. So we should be good to go. Hopefully
Speaker 2: he will be back in very soon. All right, So again,
Speaker 2: we're gonna play this with no sound. Don't want to
Speaker 2: get demonetized. It starts off with you're seeing various versus
Speaker 2: the X Men. We have rogue talking about you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to believe that things have changed flashbacks of Gambit.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the most heart wrenching moments within
Speaker 2: last season was the death of Gambit. We learned that
Speaker 2: the X Men are displaced or scattered throughout time. There
Speaker 2: is a section of the X Men in the past,
Speaker 2: there's the section of the X Men in the present,
Speaker 2: and there's the section of the X Men in the feature,
Speaker 2: and there is Chris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Streamyard kicked me, but it was interesting. It kicked
Speaker 1: both of us and I lost in it. You apparently
Speaker 1: did not, so I'm glad. So I hate that I
Speaker 1: miss the beginning part of this.
Speaker 2: Yes, so you know what, we're only a couple of
Speaker 2: seconds in. Let's go ahead and run it back.
Speaker 1: I'll give my thoughts. Yes, sorry, guys, it's been a
Speaker 1: night of technic So yeah, if you notice there, Bishop's
Speaker 1: also in the background of that opening shot, so we
Speaker 1: don't know if he's there or happens to be there.
Speaker 1: So Bishop is in that opening shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Bishop, Beast, Magneto, Rogue, and Nightcrawler on
Speaker 2: this team. Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, Gambit is
Speaker 2: still very much you know, not there. I made the
Speaker 2: call last time that I think he's going to be
Speaker 2: a Horseman of the Apocalypse, going to be their new death,
Speaker 2: just reminding everyone of what happened with him that. Yes,
Speaker 2: so X Men or are scattered through time. We see
Speaker 2: a quick blurb of them walking through what looks like
Speaker 2: a tomb of some sort or pyramid, and we have
Speaker 2: Charles Xavier there, Magneto, there, Beast, Rogue and Nightcrawler just
Speaker 2: going through this tomb.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go back. Did you see that would be
Speaker 1: Rama Tut in the background. A A that would be yep,
Speaker 1: right there we see Rama Tut the Aka and mortis
Speaker 1: a k A Kang the Conqueror. So will we see
Speaker 1: you know, because Evanson evans no, Apocalypse has always been
Speaker 1: in a war with Rama Tut at this point. So
Speaker 1: where we see our our Kang in in the X
Speaker 1: Men universe, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we we we get a shot of you know,
Speaker 2: Apocalypse and he's got horsemen behind him. We we don't,
Speaker 2: we don't We don't know which version of the Horseman
Speaker 2: this is just yet, but we we are seeing the
Speaker 2: war and the destruction, and you know, it's interesting because
Speaker 2: this looks like the past, but there's also some futuristic
Speaker 2: robots and other things around in this error. So yeah,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can get the the from the past
Speaker 1: of Apocalypse to the future of Apocalypse, all the death
Speaker 1: and destruction that has resulted from you know, his rule.
Speaker 1: And you got to look at his cyclops in you know,
Speaker 1: his uniform underneath the jacket that is the X Factor
Speaker 1: uniform from when he they were forming the very first
Speaker 1: version of X Factor in the comics. Yeah, we've seen
Speaker 1: Daniel Summers there, their child in the future. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: so go back.
Speaker 2: The ship.
Speaker 1: Is that that ship was Apocalypses at one point in
Speaker 1: the comics. Then X Factor took it over at that point,
Speaker 1: so that's also a callback to that. So it looks
Speaker 1: like they're destroying a bunch of stuff that ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta love Magneto being bearded.
Speaker 2: Yes, bearded Magneto and he got Charles, you know, getting
Speaker 2: ready to use his powers, and you know that this
Speaker 2: feels like a to me, my X Men call out
Speaker 2: as everyone strikes their pose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love it that Nightcrawlers. It looks to
Speaker 1: be a very big prominent part of this of this season.
Speaker 2: Yep. So then we get the version of Apocalypse that
Speaker 2: we're most used to, and he's saying that we have
Speaker 2: to strike the X Men when they are their most
Speaker 2: vulnerable in the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1: They're very big. Got to get the X Men back
Speaker 1: to the nineties, all right. I have a little couple
Speaker 1: of issues with this, and I know I'm not the
Speaker 1: only one to call this out. It's like, oh, Polaris
Speaker 1: and these photos Pilaris with the original X Men, When
Speaker 1: did that happen? I don't know. I know they did
Speaker 1: talk about her and Bobby having a real relationship in
Speaker 1: the show one point where that is acknowledged. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about that, but there are other photos with them
Speaker 1: hanging out together. Sure, why not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the picture on the far right is definitely,
Speaker 2: you know, the old school original X Men costume. You've
Speaker 2: got beasts before you know he transformed. You've got Jean
Speaker 2: Gray in the green short skirt and the yellow mask.
Speaker 2: So this is definitely the old school X Men. And
Speaker 2: she's just hanging out with them. Yeah, so there's a
Speaker 2: better look at this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there, we have never seen anything like that
Speaker 1: in the show. I'm not saying this wasn't a thing,
Speaker 1: but this is something that this has never been dealt with.
Speaker 1: I don't know if for rec counting certain things or
Speaker 1: things that we're finally being acknowledged. Yes, Polaris and Bobby
Speaker 1: were a thing that was acknowledged in the original X Men,
Speaker 1: the animated series, but Polaris being part of the original
Speaker 1: team that I don't think that's ever really been acknowledged.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that that that's new to me.
Speaker 1: And Gene and Storm them being besties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so morephin brown suit Wolverine on a mission together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll talk about mister Wolverine a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how do you think Cyclops likes a gene
Speaker 1: using the clause like that?
Speaker 2: You know, I you know, this is a cool moment,
Speaker 2: and again different version of Cyclops and Gene here with
Speaker 2: with the outfits.
Speaker 1: Yep, this is the grant from the Grant Morrison era
Speaker 1: of the costumes, So it looks like we'll be getting
Speaker 1: getting those into this instead of going into the the
Speaker 1: normal comic book costumes. I mean yes, this was comic
Speaker 1: book under saying, you know the comic e. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we got our date July first, this is coming. I
Speaker 1: like Sunspot and Jubilee getting you know, Jubilee looking even more.
Speaker 2: Oh good, good visual of Forge and Bishop, you know, saying, hey,
Speaker 2: we we got to get the X Men back.
Speaker 1: And they're definitely staring at a time time machine, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, so there's gonna be some big things to pause.
Speaker 2: For the young mister Summers you know again, he's he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a big part of this, and then we
Speaker 2: fast forward to him as Cable.
Speaker 1: Yep, now again Cable. As I love this new here
Speaker 1: pause right here. I love the new version of like
Speaker 1: Storm's costume.
Speaker 2: I love though.
Speaker 1: But we go back a little bit till we see
Speaker 1: kind of colossus on the ground.
Speaker 2: So we get that, so we do know as it
Speaker 2: will be.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's already happened or it's coming up,
Speaker 1: but yeah, colasses betting of our body and we'll maybe
Speaker 1: see it coming up. That Magic is dead his sister.
Speaker 1: That does lead him down a path in the comics
Speaker 1: to join Magneto. But we will see it's something along
Speaker 1: those natures very shortly. But yeah, this is I love
Speaker 1: the version of Storms costume. That's I love that update.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, yeah, we're gonna get a lot of teases. Okay, yes, Okable, Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: I forgot. Now, remember Cable is would be is a
Speaker 1: Omega level mutant. He is not because his his telekinetic
Speaker 1: power abilities are keeping the virus, the Legacy virus at bay.
Speaker 1: So his telekinetic abilities are are massively reduced because they're
Speaker 1: trying to save his life. His abilities so the techno
Speaker 1: organic virus. Okay, so yeah, Paul's right here. He goes
Speaker 1: a little back as they're walking up. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to Okay, So right there. So yes, is we
Speaker 1: get a memorial for a lot of respute and Colossus
Speaker 1: is there. Colossus and mil got rogue on one side,
Speaker 1: he got in Night Crawler, I believe. On the other
Speaker 1: that is Colosses in the middle. He is an acolyte
Speaker 1: Wardrobe he is. That was Magneto's group. You know, we
Speaker 1: did see them in the the previous season. Now when
Speaker 1: in the comics when his sister died of the Legacy virus,
Speaker 1: that started Colossus on a very dark path that ended
Speaker 1: up him joint betraying the meat uh the X Men.
Speaker 1: In in the comic series Fail Attractions, he was the
Speaker 1: one who betrayed the X Men, joined in Magneto instead.
Speaker 1: In this version, we got Rogue and Sunspot doing that
Speaker 1: betrayal in last season. But looks like a Colossus maybe
Speaker 1: joining a newer version of the Acolytes in this one.
Speaker 2: But that is that, that's.
Speaker 1: What you know, that's a that's an Acolyte suit that
Speaker 1: he's wearing. Yep, Jubilee crying. You know, Carl's going on
Speaker 1: a journey. He does that from time to time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we we get a nice little visual here.
Speaker 2: You've got Charles, You've got Bees, You've got Magneto, you've
Speaker 2: got night Crawler, You've got all these people just looking
Speaker 2: up to this deity.
Speaker 1: The deity of all the apocalypse. He We're getting some
Speaker 1: Savage Land, we get some Deadpool, we got more of
Speaker 1: turning into Deadpool. Siloc looks to be kind of joining.
Speaker 2: This right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta love it. Now, we're not gonna get into
Speaker 1: the history of Silock. We're gonna says that's I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're gonna get that heady about this white
Speaker 1: queen Cyclops.
Speaker 2: We saw our Angel of Death.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's our kay angel. But look who Nightcrawl is fighting.
Speaker 1: He is fighting Exodus. Exodus is is and one of
Speaker 1: Magneto's acolytes. He is a also an a mega level
Speaker 1: mutant that is a religious zealot like he has been
Speaker 1: around forever. He has telekinetic abilities at the omega level.
Speaker 1: He can manipulate, he can do that. He not only
Speaker 1: believes in the idea of mutants being a higher power,
Speaker 1: he worships mutant leaders like Magneto later in the comics
Speaker 1: Hope Summers, like as Messiah's. So he is also very formidable.
Speaker 1: Too much Cyclops in the show, too much, too much? Okay,
Speaker 1: now this right here, this has got to be an
Speaker 1: ending shot of something when the team's all together at
Speaker 1: this point. Who there facing apocalypse Horseman? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but this was a cool shot. I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 1: they revealed this.
Speaker 2: H I am too. I have a feeling that there's
Speaker 2: more to this. But yeah, you've got more. If you've
Speaker 2: got Cyclops, Gene, you've got Storm, you've got Wolverine, you've
Speaker 2: got four you've got.
Speaker 1: Everyone in their own costumes sit there in cable Jubilee.
Speaker 2: Sun Spots, I lock.
Speaker 1: All people and I say, I'm with I'm with Travison's
Speaker 1: I do love sun Spots kind of transformation. It is
Speaker 1: very cool.
Speaker 2: All right, Paul, Here here we go.
Speaker 1: We're back Baby, an homage to Wolverine Number one by
Speaker 1: Chris Claremont Frank Miller. Look at that number one, that
Speaker 1: that poster, and I think I put the poster in
Speaker 1: the notes. Since you you are now driving right now,
Speaker 1: you want to pull up that link.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: One thing they didn't put in the show, but we
Speaker 1: have seen art four that we are going to see Wolverine.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Remember, at the end of the show, at the end
Speaker 1: of the season one, Wolverine's aad nanteum was removed from
Speaker 1: his body, and so we're gonna have a time where
Speaker 1: he's not gonna have at an antium with it. But
Speaker 1: that ending shot right there, when he pops his claws,
Speaker 1: it shimmers. So yeah, so right there, I'm not even
Speaker 1: talking about the poster that shimmers there. But at the
Speaker 1: ending shot when he says We're back baby, he's got
Speaker 1: his adamantium back. So but we have seen show art
Speaker 1: that he is going to go into feral mode because
Speaker 1: in the comics what happens is that when Wolverine, a
Speaker 1: couple of things got revealed, like Wolverine's claws were bone.
Speaker 1: That means he's had it for a while. WEAPONEX program
Speaker 1: did not give him the clause as many one felt
Speaker 1: for years he had bone claus so he'd had this forever.
Speaker 1: What happens when he goes this faral mode is that
Speaker 1: he goes beast like. And the reason that is is
Speaker 1: that his healing factor was keeping the admantium from poisoning
Speaker 1: him alive. So now and even Professor Exit in the
Speaker 1: comics acknowledged, it's like he was never reaching his true form.
Speaker 1: So when he goes in this kind of beast like form,
Speaker 1: his his mute mutation is no longer suppressing the toxins unheeded,
Speaker 1: his mutation naturally advances to a wild beast like state,
Speaker 1: showing I don't know if you want to pull up
Speaker 1: something like what I'm talking about here, David. So people
Speaker 1: are listeners who are watching or watch later, it can
Speaker 1: kind of see it, or you can look it up too.
Speaker 1: But his adamantion was holding him back, his metal hindering
Speaker 1: his body, so his senses are heightened, his smell, his hearing,
Speaker 1: his sight, like he goes into a permanent state of
Speaker 1: berserker rage, where he literally looks like an animal and
Speaker 1: also famously no nos as well, Yeah, have you found
Speaker 1: anything that can pull that up?
Speaker 2: Especially kind of.
Speaker 1: The the new kind of mask he wears at one point.
Speaker 2: What may pull us up? I just found a good one. Yep.
Speaker 1: So we we are going to get a version of this.
Speaker 1: I'm not wrong. I'm pretty confident. I've seen you've seen
Speaker 1: the show art too that they that they've.
Speaker 2: Come out with.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there we go. So yeah, so we get
Speaker 1: him looking like this, we are going to see this
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: The bone claws getting more awesome because they're jagged, they
Speaker 1: get like longer. He's more lethal as this kind of
Speaker 1: feral version of Wolverine.
Speaker 2: This is his true form, This is his.
Speaker 1: True mutated form. When he gets the adamantium, the healing
Speaker 1: factor kind of puts him back in a different state.
Speaker 1: Not everyone's favorite time of Wolverine, mind you, but I
Speaker 1: am excited to see how the show deals with this.
Speaker 1: I hope we just don't go only like one or
Speaker 1: two episodes of dealing with this, and I hope it's
Speaker 1: like we build up to Wolverine getting his his Adam
Speaker 1: Mantium back because he does have it back in the comics.
Speaker 2: Things like that. That happened, but it took some time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as we saw with the animated show, we
Speaker 1: got the Madeline Pryor storyline done in like two episodes.
Speaker 2: That was a quick urright, and we're done. Heah, we're done.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited about this.
Speaker 1: I don't like when it's dropping the day before we air,
Speaker 1: but we'll deal with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, not thankfully not eight forty minute episodes, so
Speaker 2: that makes it a little bit better as opposed to
Speaker 2: what we've been doing with Spider Noir. But yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the I'm gonna need them to pick a day, preferably Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and make that just their official drop date. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, like I said, thanks for coming back
Speaker 1: to being intro. Sorry for the technical division. I'm glad
Speaker 1: it didn't cut the show.
Speaker 2: At that point.
Speaker 1: We'll have to deal with that for the For the
Speaker 1: listeners of this Yeah, sorry, mister Stellon advanced for the
Speaker 1: edit you're gonna have to do tonight on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a two to three minute cut where
Speaker 2: it's just it gets a little weirdo from my end,
Speaker 2: it was like you froze and then I froze, and
Speaker 2: then it just it kicked me back out to the
Speaker 2: main menu and I all had to do is just
Speaker 2: log back in.
Speaker 1: Yeah so, but but all right, So we're gonna take
Speaker 1: our final ad break of the evening Solicitors. These ad
Speaker 1: breaks help cape the deal to mid Alliance lights on.
Speaker 1: We don't get choose with ad to come on. They
Speaker 1: could be a bit loud to give it a three
Speaker 1: cup before they come on. Three two one, we'll be
Speaker 1: right back, all right, and we are back. So we
Speaker 1: did not have any put up the spidy signal. No
Speaker 1: one came up with questions.
Speaker 2: No big deal.
Speaker 1: Let me pull up Factor fictions from the previous week.
Speaker 2: Uh, I've got them up. I pulled them up wall perfect.
Speaker 1: Oh look at you helping me.
Speaker 2: Out while you were doing your things. So yeah, so
Speaker 2: be great. So I will go through last week's Factor
Speaker 2: fiction and then it will be Chris's turn after that.
Speaker 2: So Factor fiction number one, Foggy Well Returning Daredevil, Born
Speaker 2: Again season three. That was one hundred percent fiction. So
Speaker 2: people not really agree with me on that. Factor fiction
Speaker 2: number two we will see Mannucci again. That is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent fact. And then factor fiction number three Punisher
Speaker 2: will have a cameo in season three of Daredevil Born Again. Now,
Speaker 2: when I looked at this before, there were votes on there,
Speaker 2: but now it's not showing anything. So we're just gonna
Speaker 2: call that a fifty to fifty. It's doing the same
Speaker 2: thing that it did a couple of weeks ago. But again,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that we still get that. So those were
Speaker 2: your factor fictions from last time, Chris, What do you
Speaker 2: have for us this time? All right?
Speaker 1: So Factor fiction number one, Spider Noir will lead into
Speaker 1: another live action Spider Man variant character being greenlit. So
Speaker 1: I said, very I chose live action. We're going to
Speaker 1: get a different Spider Man variant getting a live action series.
Speaker 2: I am going to say fact on that, because somewhere
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind I have hope slash
Speaker 2: thoughts that we're going to get a Spider Man twenty
Speaker 2: ninety nine love action.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm a I'm not a firm fact on this one.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be very interesting to see the reception
Speaker 1: of this. It'll be interesting to see how this show ends,
Speaker 1: and you know, seeing it, I will say there's a
Speaker 1: stronger possibility.
Speaker 2: With it, but say fact.
Speaker 1: But it's not a hard fact, just because that Sony
Speaker 1: and Sony being Sony doesn't understand it. But I am,
Speaker 1: as we said, we're very impressed so far with the show,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't get to live my last thoughts
Speaker 1: that All in all, I'm excited about seeing the last
Speaker 1: four episodes of this series. I think it's meeting my
Speaker 1: expectations that I'm having fun with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Number.
Speaker 1: Two kind of a little hanging fruit, but I'll put
Speaker 1: it out there with us. Some recent changes going on
Speaker 1: at Marvel Studios, Brad wind Winbaum will succeed Kevin Feigi
Speaker 1: when he retires from studios.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say fact for that, because as it stands
Speaker 2: right now, he is, in my mind, the best and
Speaker 2: most logical choice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that he will need some
Speaker 1: more work with is that he has not led film.
Speaker 1: He has been an advisor on film, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he's kind of headed up a film project yet.
Speaker 1: I know, like one of his new titles is the
Speaker 1: head of Franchise. Not sure necessarily that can go a
Speaker 1: lot of different directions. But I think since he's been
Speaker 1: doing well with Street any things like that, I would
Speaker 1: love to if he is the new Air apparent, get
Speaker 1: a more experience with the film side, because that's I
Speaker 1: think the only big thing he's missing on the Marble
Speaker 1: side is a lot of experience with the film side.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think with the recent title change,
Speaker 1: I think everyone, yeah, but he's he looks to be
Speaker 1: the Air parent, but there's other other people that are in
Speaker 1: the background. But I think he's the most forward facing
Speaker 1: of them all.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kathleen Kennedy, it doesn't have anything to do anymore.
Speaker 2: So I'm kidding people, I'm kidding, please again.
Speaker 1: One of the most successful producers, not just female producers,
Speaker 1: but just successful producers in film in the Hollywood industry
Speaker 1: of all time, like like or not. You cannot deny
Speaker 1: that the direction she.
Speaker 2: Is a polarizing figure, but man, has she brought some
Speaker 2: some stuff to the table.
Speaker 1: I think she's polarizing to the people who have other
Speaker 1: issues at that point. All right, my final one. It's
Speaker 1: also a tough one for me to say because this
Speaker 1: is what led to me leaving a collecting comics fort
Speaker 1: all me collecting X Men for a while. All Right,
Speaker 1: this is one of my first exits. I had two.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: The second one was a little bit after that. Onslaught
Speaker 1: will be a major villain in a future season of
Speaker 1: X Men ninety seven. Those watching, well, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: no principle.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no for principle because for.
Speaker 1: Those that were watching aren't watching the video version of this.
Speaker 1: As soon as I said the word Onslaught, David put
Speaker 1: his face on his hand on his face, like in disgust.
Speaker 1: This is almost like these the the four issue uh
Speaker 1: series that should not be named arc of Spider Man
Speaker 1: that we do not talk about on this.
Speaker 2: Show quick PTSD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Onslaught is a long and because I'm such
Speaker 1: an X Men fan, I do have the omni collections
Speaker 1: of leading up to Onslaught, to Onslaught to the aftermath
Speaker 1: of Onslaught. Not a well thought of series. It is
Speaker 1: a character that I'm just gonna leave as it is
Speaker 1: for those I don't know. I'm not going to ruin
Speaker 1: who or what this character is. But this led to
Speaker 1: my first exit of collecting comics and X Men for
Speaker 1: a while. The second exit came for me after Avengers
Speaker 1: versus X Men. The aftermath of that killed my second
Speaker 1: time a bit, but then I came back, and I'm
Speaker 1: not saying all's forgiven, but I remember mistakes were made.
Speaker 1: Do I think, Okay, so you're gonna say principal side,
Speaker 1: you're gonna say, no, I do have principles. But the
Speaker 1: certain things they are doing with this, I could see
Speaker 1: them doing it. I could really see them doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they're gonna do it right, but
Speaker 1: I can see there is a possibility of this. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say fat. Hurts my heart to say fact,
Speaker 1: but I the fact that they also said we already
Speaker 1: know a season three has been greenlit, We now know
Speaker 1: a season four is in pre production, moving forward with it,
Speaker 1: and the goals to have this X Men ninety seven
Speaker 1: be a year to year series at this point, how
Speaker 1: long it's gonna go on, Well, we know least is
Speaker 1: gonna go on for two more. But the fact that
Speaker 1: they say they want this to be yearly, we're at
Speaker 1: least we're more than like there gonna have a season five.
Speaker 1: So but all right, well we I will post those
Speaker 1: on all the on our social media as always on Twitter,
Speaker 1: make sure you let your voice be heard with that.
Speaker 1: And then let us come to a compa club with
Speaker 1: age of Ultron issue ten which actually.
Speaker 2: Okay, this might be the know have a kind of
Speaker 2: ten point one A.
Speaker 1: I believe that we still have to go into for
Speaker 1: next time. Are you down for that?
Speaker 2: I'm ready?
Speaker 1: All right? So all right, So the the conclusion of
Speaker 1: the main mini series of this, what do we get
Speaker 1: going on here?
Speaker 2: All right? So we get doctor Hank him and he's
Speaker 2: in his lap, he's working and he is he gets
Speaker 2: a little ping and he goes, wait a minute, my
Speaker 2: system doesn't make this noise, and it's a something pops
Speaker 2: up on his computer that says open your door, doctor,
Speaker 2: And he starts looking around because he's like, hey, I've
Speaker 2: got all this security in place. You could possibly get
Speaker 2: in here. We don't know. He's just there's a note
Speaker 2: slid under his door. He opens the package and there's
Speaker 2: a screen that says play me, and we see invisible woman.
Speaker 2: Sus Storm has delivered this and it is a message
Speaker 2: from himself saying it's me. You won't remember doing this.
Speaker 2: We made it like that. You're not supposed to remember
Speaker 2: this has all been timed, but you have to know
Speaker 2: that everything that you thought could possibly go wrong, this
Speaker 2: is that moment that's going on with Ultron right now.
Speaker 2: Somewhere there is a group of heroes and they are
Speaker 2: fighting a group of villains. You're not part of this
Speaker 2: group of heroes, so don't even ask why you're not there,
Speaker 2: but just know you are where you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it cuts to this big fight of
Speaker 1: villains that's going on. Ultron shows. You know, this villain's
Speaker 1: trying to get this amazing power ends up being Ultron
Speaker 1: reignited the heroes or kind of waxing with his hammer
Speaker 1: creates major destruction.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: They're basically saying that, hey, well say this is it.
Speaker 1: This is the time. You know, they're trying to put
Speaker 1: in this kill code at this point, uploading this kill code.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so Hank is talking to to Tony and
Speaker 2: he's like, look, you guys, just just hold him off
Speaker 2: and I need you. I'm going to give you this
Speaker 2: code and I need you to upload this code to
Speaker 2: this coordinates and this is going to do what we
Speaker 2: need to do. So they are trying their best to
Speaker 2: continue to fight and just stave off Ultron for a
Speaker 2: little bit. Thora is doing a lot of the heavy work,
Speaker 2: so is uh miss Marvel at this point Carol Danvers version,
Speaker 2: and you know they're just Ultron is starting to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 2: something's wrong. You guys have done something. You're adding this
Speaker 2: code to my infrastructure. And he's like, I feel my
Speaker 2: father's hand in this, Like, Father, I know this is you.
Speaker 2: You're the only one who can do this. It is
Speaker 2: so weird when he's like, father, I know it's you,
Speaker 2: I know what you fathered goes down.
Speaker 1: He says, I hate you, father, I will make you
Speaker 1: and then he dies.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know they're they're trying to get this
Speaker 2: code up, but they are still getting their butts whooped
Speaker 2: by him, and they're like, Hank, hurry up. And it's installing,
Speaker 2: and it's installing, and then yeah, it finally as Ultras like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm tired of this. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to destroy all of you. You serve you have no value,
Speaker 2: you serve no purpose. And then the last of the
Speaker 2: code hits and he hits them with the I hate
Speaker 2: you father, I will make you and then he just
Speaker 2: collapses power down and Thorpe just goes straight through and
Speaker 2: bust him to pieces names for the head.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you get Sue and Wolverine kind of conference
Speaker 1: saying all right, you've got your kids back. You were back,
Speaker 1: we saved the universe. But then we get this kind
Speaker 1: of like mind numbing thing going through all of the universe,
Speaker 1: and we see Wolverine coming back and like going through
Speaker 1: all the different versions of himself, Tony's going through it,
Speaker 1: Nova's going through it, like everyone's experiencing this, and like
Speaker 1: reality looks to be breaking, and we get to this
Speaker 1: idea like we see Hank, Hank McCoy, Hank Pim, Tony talking.
Speaker 2: About like basically.
Speaker 1: They understand like what happened in that Wolverine and Seuxstorm
Speaker 1: have broken reality and they don't know what the effects are.
Speaker 1: We don't know how long this is effected, what's going
Speaker 1: to be effects of it. We kind of go to
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Universe with Miles. We're swinging through. We see
Speaker 1: Galactus coming through. That's not their version of Galactus. That
Speaker 1: was a very screwed up version of This is our
Speaker 1: Galactus at is now in the Ultimate Universe.
Speaker 2: We know what that leads to.
Speaker 1: If you read comics. We now fan out and we
Speaker 1: see a character by the name of Angela coming back
Speaker 1: into the fray. Good luck reading into the history of that.
Speaker 1: That is a character. I believe rememory, my memory is
Speaker 1: correct that it was a character created by Todd McFarlane
Speaker 1: or no, no, no, not to a friend. No, no,
Speaker 1: Neil Gamon, Neil Gamon. This was a Neil game in.
Speaker 2: Creation, if I'm not mistaken, created by both Neil Gamen
Speaker 2: and Tom McFarlane. Oh okay, so I was right up both.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I did know that that it was
Speaker 2: Todd mcfalland, and if you see the way that she
Speaker 2: is drawn, you will go, yeah, that's a Todd mcfalland character. Yep.
Speaker 1: So, And so that's how we kind of end, like
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen. This doesn't aid neatly.
Speaker 1: This leads to other events that are coming down the line.
Speaker 1: But we will finish up when David returns in two
Speaker 1: weeks with age of Ultron ten A dot I you
Speaker 1: know ten Ai. So we'll conclude with that. Yep so,
Speaker 1: But all right, and we'll give our thoughts on that
Speaker 1: at the point. So all right, Well, started late because
Speaker 1: of technical issues got bumped off for technical issues at
Speaker 1: that point. Glad the show did not completely cut off
Speaker 1: because I would not have wanted to deal with that
Speaker 1: kind of nightmare. So thank you all for dealing with
Speaker 1: us with this. For those of you that are listening
Speaker 1: to actually not watching it, you'll just say what happened,
Speaker 1: I didn't notice it. Travis Nell is amazing with editing.
Speaker 1: I'm gon put that on the record of that one.
Speaker 1: Thank you for an apologies upfront for that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we will see I will see you next week
Speaker 1: with mister Hines joining us for the final four episodes
Speaker 1: of Spider Noir, and David will be back non live
Speaker 1: for episode three hundred and we'll be hopefully back the
Speaker 1: following week live. But yeah, safe travels to you, and
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Speaker 2: Post credits discussion. According to Variety, Stanley's voice and likeness
Speaker 2: have been licensed for use with AI. According to a
Speaker 2: report by Variety, Marvel Comics has long resurrected iconic characters
Speaker 2: for second action. Now eleven Labs is doing the same
Speaker 2: for Marvel's most famous creator, stan Lee in a sense.
Speaker 2: The AI Audio company on Wednesday said it struck an
Speaker 2: expansive deal with stan Lee Universe, the joint venture between
Speaker 2: Genius Brands International and Pal Entertainment, to add the late
Speaker 2: Marvel Comic writers, voice and likeness to the eleven Labs
Speaker 2: Iconic marketplace. It's collective of celebrity personality, voices, and likeness
Speaker 2: is that companies can license for commercial use. Now, this
Speaker 2: has been a thing with some other people in the
Speaker 2: past getting their their voices license and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and this company is known for striking deals with people
Speaker 2: in including Matthew McConaughey, Michael Caine and other celebrities. Think
Speaker 2: they have the rights to John Wayne and some others
Speaker 2: to be able to use. So with that being said,
Speaker 2: you know, Stanley's no longer with us, so he can't
Speaker 2: really have a say over what happens with his his voice,
Speaker 2: image and likeness. So my question is what does this
Speaker 2: look like for future appearances of the Marvel icon and
Speaker 2: what are your overall thoughts on something like this when
Speaker 2: it comes to the Departed and their voice and likeness
Speaker 2: being used in this way.
Speaker 1: Not a fan of AI that in that kind of sense,
Speaker 1: because I've seen like they're putting him in complic art.
Speaker 1: They have free rein to use it in different ways,
Speaker 1: like when you start saying, oh, yeah, they can use
Speaker 1: the likeness and when they're AI is pulling is creating art,
Speaker 1: they're stealing from other artists in different ways, Like they're
Speaker 1: taking things that they have access to and do their credit.
Speaker 1: It is new, and so with that in mind, they're
Speaker 1: not getting compensated with that the artists that they're using
Speaker 1: it for. I don't care what they say right now,
Speaker 1: because if it's taking from the internet, the one's not
Speaker 1: getting paid for.
Speaker 2: The Stanley estate.
Speaker 1: He's not alive. There's been so many different things of
Speaker 1: who's like, who's benefiting from this. They're trying to use
Speaker 1: his words to justify this. At this point. The end
Speaker 1: of Stanley's life was very fraught with a lot of
Speaker 1: people not treating him well. The people that should have didn't.
Speaker 1: I understand where they say like, oh, new generation can
Speaker 1: get to experience Stanley and things like that, when they've
Speaker 1: got those hologram ones of Stanley that didn't come off well.
Speaker 1: I don't think many people who got to experience that
Speaker 1: necessarily thought that was great. I don't care much for
Speaker 1: it period. I don't want I don't think we need
Speaker 1: to have stan Lee appear using AI in future movies
Speaker 1: things like that. I don't like it. I think it's
Speaker 1: not going to come off well. I don't think it's necessary.
Speaker 1: This seems to be a cash grab for someone and
Speaker 1: it's not going to benefit the right people.
Speaker 2: You know, that's me.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care much for it.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I read the story. It made me feel icky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same same here. Not not not a fan, especially
Speaker 2: when it is now licensed for for sale and families
Speaker 2: or you know, those closest to the creator no longer
Speaker 2: had any control over it. This sold this off in
Speaker 2: is free use now. So yeah not definitely not not
Speaker 2: a fan and don't like this direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so unfortunate, you know, not happy post credits. But
Speaker 1: it's a story that well worth talking about. So all right,
Speaker 1: I will see you all next week for the final
Speaker 1: four episodes of Spider Man Noir with mister Hines. We
Speaker 1: will see you. You will experience episode three weeks and
Speaker 1: see who are their special guests are going to be.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, we will see you all very soon.
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Speaker 1: with some of the technical difficulties we had to deal
Speaker 1: with tonight, and really appreciate you all and see you
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Speaker 2: Bye bye bye.