WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:10.039 Summer camp has been a staple of children's summer holidays 2 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:13.919 for generations, but it has also become something that has 3 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:17.559 cultural ties to horror movies as well. Think Friday the 4 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:22.280 Thirteenth with Jason Vorhees slaughtering teens at Camp Crystal Lake 5 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:25.800 and campfire ghost stories told around the dim glow of 6 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:30.120 the flames as darkness looms over your shoulders. For most, 7 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.200 camp is fun and these are simply just stories. But 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.759 in today's case, their experience at camp would soon turn 9 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.719 into a nightmare that seems to fit right into place 10 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.359 with all these slasher films of the nineteen seventies. This 11 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.079 is the story of the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders. 12 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.920 My name's Ben, I'm uncle, and you're listening to Wicked 13 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:04.920 and Grim True crime podcast. 14 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:29.799 Audience listener discretion. We're on vacation. We are we are Sorry. 15 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:30.640 Did I interrupt you? 16 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:32.959 I was about to open my beverage for once in 17 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:33.599 my life. 18 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:35.439 You know, I didn't say a word. Go back to 19 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:37.200 Silence and Nichol's going to bring us in. Okay, here 20 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.719 we go. I didn't get to be at Silence before 21 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:41.239 you opened it. 22 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:43.319 Well you rarely do. 23 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:48.280 Wow, Holy just throw in the shade right out the gate. 24 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:51.000 Hey, oh my gosh. So yeah, we are on holidays. 25 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.760 We're actually in Florida, So if the audio sounds a 26 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:57.319 little bit weird, that's why. 27 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.439 Yeah. Well, I mean, like even like listening to my 28 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:00.959 MICD because I tell to my mic like moving it 29 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.439 on the table. It's there's gonna be a lot of 30 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.439 noise pollution in this episode, most likely because hey, it's 31 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.000 not our usual mics, not our usual recording, not our 32 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:09.800 usual setup. 33 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.080 So yeah, well and yeah, there's just noise that we 34 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.879 can't really control, I guess at the moment exactly. 35 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.520 We also wanted to announce that next week we will 36 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:23.400 be not producing any episodes. We are making sure that 37 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.560 we're getting everything out this week for regular scheduled ones, 38 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:29.840 but we will be skipping and taking a bit more vacation. 39 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.520 For next week Tuesday and Friday. 40 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.080 The Tuesday and Friday, so the following days of course 41 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.280 we will be but just that one week, the Tuesday 42 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.280 and Friday, we won't be producing anything. Okay, so heads 43 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.199 up on that. We will be coming back the following Tuesday. 44 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.919 There we go, And I thought, since we are taking 45 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.439 a week vacation away from the podcast. We're going to 46 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.039 end it on a really good one with the Oklahoma 47 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:54.000 Girl Scout murders. 48 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:56.599 You're just getting right into it. Hey, you're not going 49 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.680 to talk to them about what we're doing tonight. 50 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.080 Oh we can. I'm just saying, I just thought it 51 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:01.479 would be great to just be like, hey, we've got 52 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:04.439 a like massive case before the week break. You know 53 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:04.840 what I mean? 54 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:07.479 Ben's making me do something against my will. 55 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:08.560 What is it that I'm making you do? 56 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:10.960 I don't even know what it's called, but it's freaking 57 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:14.319 terrifying and I'm so nervous and it's going to be something. 58 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.639 I need to look up the exact name of it now. 59 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.639 It's Universal Studios Halloween Horror Nights. 60 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.319 Yeah, the Halloween horrn Nites. So we're going to Universal 61 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.280 Studios tonight. We're actually, after we record this upload it 62 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:28.080 for today, we're gonna be leaving in like an hour 63 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.240 after that to go to Universal Studios Horror Nite. So yeah, 64 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:31.960 it's gonna be great. 65 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.840 And I'm slightly pissed because yesterday when we were at Universal, 66 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.400 I would have made you do two rides that I 67 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.120 wanted to do just in spite of this. 68 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:42.680 In spite well, one of the rides I was totally 69 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.159 fine to do. It was just an eighty minute wait okay. 70 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.280 Yeah, which I know I would have probably died standing 71 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:48.680 there for eighty minutes, to be honest. 72 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.680 And the other one, I mean, I probably would have 73 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:53.360 done it, but I am also a scaredy cat when 74 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.960 it comes to I probably would have, and. 75 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:57.759 I'm a scary cat when it comes to just like 76 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:01.759 I don't know, fake fear. I guess fake fear is 77 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.719 that one? It would be horor yeah, Like I don't know. 78 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.439 I don't really watch those kind of movies because they 79 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:09.759 just scare the shit out of me. But I could 80 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:12.560 easily just sit there, like on our TV. All we've 81 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.840 been have on right now is Dateline. I just sit 82 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.959 there and't actually listen about how evil things are and 83 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:18.240 it doesn't really bother well. 84 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.759 And the thing with these is like I'm not a 85 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:22.959 huge fan of like getting jump scared or anything like 86 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:25.600 that either, I'm not, But I am a huge fan 87 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.920 of watching horror movies or going to haunted houses and 88 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:34.199 looking at props, prosthetics people put on the how well 89 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:37.480 the things are done, how well the actors portray their characters. Right, 90 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.480 I go into these knowing it's one hundred percent fake, 91 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.480 so I like to see where I can scale it 92 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:46.240 and be like, oh, that costume is totally like a 93 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:48.720 seven out of ten. This one's a two out of ten. 94 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:50.839 That's not even scary at all, Like you're a joke, 95 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.720 but your effort into it is a ten out of ten. 96 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.680 So I fucking love you like that sort of stuff, 97 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:57.759 you know, Yeah, I'm going to. 98 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:00.759 Just be hiding behind you. I think the what was it, 99 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.120 the chainsaw punks? 100 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:03.399 Yeah, the chainsaw punks. 101 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.279 I'm not gonna like that. I don't like being chased 102 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:07.600 or any in any way of that. 103 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.480 So don't run and they won't chase you. Oh my gosh. 104 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.560 Okay, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be fine. We're 105 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:13.279 gonna be fine. 106 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:15.519 Well, we'll do good. It's gonna be awesome. If you 107 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:19.560 guys have gone to Universal Studios Halloween horror nights, let 108 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.639 us know, we're curious. We'll be posting on social media 109 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:24.199 some of our stuff for sure. 110 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.160 Yeah, and then okay, so back to this case, like it, 111 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.040 this case is just gut wrenching. 112 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.519 It is. How much do you know of this case? 113 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.639 A fair amount. I've probably forgotten some things, but I 114 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.439 definitely have listened to like a few podcasts on this one. 115 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.360 Well you have okay, Yeah, I have interesting. I didn't 116 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:43.600 know that. 117 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.399 Well, this is a pretty big one. It's terrible. 118 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:49.959 Yeah, it's a pretty big case for sure. So you 119 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:50.560 ready for it? 120 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:52.959 Yes, let's do her. 121 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.800 Okay. So we're going back into June of nineteen seventy seven, 122 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.079 and we're gonna be looking at a girl of sorry, 123 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.000 a group of Girls Scout from Oklahoma, and they're making 124 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.800 their way to the exciting Camp Scott. And for those 125 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.839 who are fans of the Office, wrong Scott, we are 126 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.319 talking about a different Scott. Sorry, just had to make 127 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:14.680 that joke. This is Camp Scott, which is a beloved 128 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:18.560 summer retreat nestled near Locust Grove, just northeast of Tulsa 129 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:22.040 in Oklahoma, Okay. For nearly five decades, the camp has 130 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.399 been a staple of the Girl Scouts annual traditions, offering 131 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:28.519 a two week escape into nature. It was a stream 132 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.920 place spread across more than four hundred acres of trees 133 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:35.519 and forests that also included a flowing creek through the 134 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.560 beautiful landscape where the girls could swim, canoe, It made 135 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.040 it feel like a secluded paradise just for these campers 136 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.040 in their adventure outdoors. 137 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.040 Two weeks is quite a long time, though, two weeks 138 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:48.759 is I know. 139 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.360 I did some camp retreats as a kid, and I 140 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:53.560 only ever did a week long and as a kid, 141 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.560 I mean that feels like an eternity. Well, yeah, two 142 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.439 weeks alone would be like whoa. 143 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:00.560 I don't think they ever really did overnight camps. I 144 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:02.240 was like a homebody through and through. 145 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.639 I just look at it like for kids, like that's 146 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.480 an eternity. For parents, it's like it's not nearly long enough, 147 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.480 you know, a right, how about all summer lead? But 148 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:15.560 this year, the anticipation of the camping trip was it 149 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:19.959 was quite palpable for pretty much everyone, though there were 150 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.879 a few exceptions. There's one in particular it didn't exactly 151 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.720 share the excitement, and that was ten year old Doris Milner. Now, 152 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:31.560 Doris was having second thoughts as the departure date grew near. 153 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.040 Now her two best friends would not be joining her 154 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:37.639 on this trip. Initially they were going to, but unfortunately 155 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.040 they're not, and it was leaving her worried that she 156 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.519 might feel a bit out of place in homesick going 157 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:45.519 alone fair enough, Yeah, the idea of spending two weeks 158 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:49.360 away from home overwhelmed her, especially without the familiar faces 159 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.160 of you know, her best friends by her side. So, 160 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:55.399 sensing her daughter's anxiety, Doris's mother reassured her that, you 161 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.319 know what, you can come home early if you need, 162 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:59.959 just go try it, and if you don't like it, 163 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.040 you know what, can always change your mind and call me. 164 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.639 Yeah, like I'm only a phone call away, exactly. 165 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.360 She was, probably just like, I already stalked up on wine. 166 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:09.920 I need to drink that shit, like, you know, give 167 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:14.839 me a Lisa night, right. But meanwhile, Michelle Hoffman, who 168 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.639 was a seasoned camper at this retreat, had dreams of 169 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.120 becoming a camp counselor this year. She was pretty excited 170 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:24.000 with her new role and having spent countless summers at Campscott, 171 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.800 she had fond memories of her own first trip when 172 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:28.920 she was just nine years old, and now she was 173 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:31.720 ready to help guide the younger girls through their first experience, 174 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:35.320 you know, offering them that sense of like belonging at 175 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.039 a place. And she's getting to be that guide that 176 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.840 she looked up to in the very beginning. 177 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.240 Well, Yeah, that's perfect because she, you know, probably remembers 178 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.080 how it felt and right. Yeah. 179 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.080 So it was on June twelfth, nineteen seventy seven, that 180 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.480 Michelle arrived at the Girl Scout's headquarters in Tulsa, ready 181 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:56.000 to head up the camp. She immediately noticed Doris standing 182 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:57.639 off to the side of the group of girls, looking 183 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:59.840 nervous and out of place among all the excitement that 184 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:03.120 was going on. Right away, she kind of sensed her onunease, 185 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.039 and Michelle approached Doris right away with a warm smile 186 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:08.080 and offered her a seat next to her on the bus, 187 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.440 hoping to kind of ease her bit of worries. Right. 188 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.080 Doris hesitated, but agreed and was grateful at the gesture. Right, so, 189 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:16.679 She's like, yeah, I'll sit next to you. 190 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:17.360 I love that. 191 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:19.559 So as the bus pulled out of the station with 192 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.080 the girls loaded on board, the chatter filled the air, 193 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.679 and slowly Doris began to relax, even joining in as 194 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.159 the other Girl Scouts saying cheerful camp songs along the 195 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:32.159 way heading to Camp Scott. For a brief moment, the 196 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.919 anxiety and homesickness seemed to fade. It was the start 197 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.519 of what was meant to be a joyful and memorable 198 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:44.600 summer adventure. The layout of Camp Scott consisted of several campsites, 199 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.919 or units as they called them, each named after an 200 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:53.679 individual Native American nation. Every unit was set up with 201 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:57.080 a tent for the camp So there was the camp counselors, 202 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.120 and then there was up to ten additional tents for 203 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.399 the campers. These tents were slightly more substantial for the 204 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.360 counselors than the other ones, because you know, you got 205 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:09.480 to fit adults in there as opposed to kids. But 206 00:10:09.600 --> 00:10:11.600 even still, all these tents were a little bit more 207 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:14.759 than your typical camping tents. They offered quite a bit 208 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.559 more as far as shelter from the elements. It's not 209 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.600 something that you buy from Walmart Go camping, and it's 210 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.679 just flimsy's little thing. Right. This was on a wooden 211 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.919 platform and enclosed with canvas walls. So these are canvas 212 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.279 tents that they're actually sleeping in. 213 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.320 Kind of like glamping. They were glamping. 214 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:32.600 They were probably glamping to a certain degree, but this 215 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.960 is also the seventies. Yeah, yeah, Now, the tents would 216 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:39.639 accommodate up to four campers each on this wooden platform, 217 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.679 and there was wooden cots that were serving as bets. 218 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.120 The walls of the tent could be unzipped and rolled 219 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.720 up to provide easy access inside or you know, easy 220 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.080 ventilation even if you need it right. Each girl scout 221 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.080 had been assigned to a tent. Doris, we're sharing a 222 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.440 tent in Tent number eight with two other girls, nine 223 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:01.039 year old Michelle Goose and eight year old Lorie Farmer. 224 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.799 As the first night of the camp began, the girls 225 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.240 gathered in their tent while the storm began to roll in. 226 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.279 The rain intensified with thunder echoing through the distance, but Doris, Michelle, 227 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.159 and Laurie were settling in comfortably. After the day of activity. 228 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:17.759 That's a shit time for a storm, hey, the first 229 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.559 night when everyone's a little bit anxious already. 230 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:21.840 Definitely that it's just going. 231 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:22.600 To roll in. 232 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:26.080 I don't think the storm was like anything wild by anything, 233 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.399 but I do think there was some rain, a little 234 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.879 bit of thunder in the distance kind of you know, 235 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:31.879 but it definitely sets an atmosphere for sure, and puts 236 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.759 you a bit more uneasy. Now. The tents were arranged 237 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.240 in a bit of a semicircle situation, so the counselors 238 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.360 can keep an eye on each of the girl's tents, 239 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.679 but Tent number eight, the one that Doris was in, 240 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.000 was the farthest from the councilor's quarters and was kind 241 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.840 of tucked behind the showerhouse, making it more isolated from 242 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.759 the other ones. Now, before the campers turned in for 243 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.480 the night, several counselors made their rounds to check in 244 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.879 the girls, as per usual. Among them was Michelle, as 245 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.759 we talked about earlier, the same counselor who had comforted 246 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.159 Doris on the bus ride to camp. She was concerned 247 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:05.799 for Michelle. She wanted to check in on her and 248 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.440 make sure everything was good, so she ensured that she 249 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.720 made her way over to Tent number eight and peeked 250 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.759 inside to check. She found all three girls were already 251 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:19.799 fast asleep, exhausted from the days excitement okay yeah. Relieved 252 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.000 that Dora seemed to have settled in made some new 253 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.919 friends along the way, Michelle left the tent and returned 254 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:30.000 to her own. This night, though starting out perfectly, was 255 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.720 about to be far from what anyone had expected. Because 256 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.759 none of the campers or counselors knew the strange occurrences 257 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.200 that had been happening at Camp Scott in the months 258 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:41.519 leading up to that night. 259 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.679 Oh man, okay, you've already surprised me with two things. 260 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:46.519 Oh and what's that? 261 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.559 Well, I didn't realize this happened in the seventies for 262 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.840 some reason. I thought it was more recent. 263 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:51.639 Okay. 264 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:55.360 And then I didn't also realize that shit went down 265 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:59.279 on the first night. But maybe it doesn't. I don't know, 266 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.720 but uh, I thought, yeah, okay, I'm forgetting a little 267 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:03.200 bits here. 268 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.080 Well, it does go down on the first. 269 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:06.639 Night, really, yes, okay. 270 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.759 So in the weeks leading up to this faithful night, 271 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.240 several councilors at Camp Scott had reported hearing strange noises 272 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.840 coming from the dense wood surrounding the camp. These weren't 273 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.360 the usual sounds of wildlife, you know, an owl hooting, 274 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:22.919 or you know the clear signs of a fox running 275 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.600 through the bush, maybe even a bear cracking sticks. I 276 00:13:25.639 --> 00:13:27.559 don't know. These are different sounds of what you could 277 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:33.639 typically expect. These ones just seemed off, unfamiliar and unsettling. 278 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:37.879 One male counselor even discovered his tents slashed open by 279 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.200 what appeared to be a sharp object. There were also 280 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:45.759 frequent complaints of campers and food and personal belongings disappearing 281 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.799 from their tents. Though these incidents were initially brushed off 282 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.240 as a work of wild animals or natural honease of 283 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.039 being in a remote setting, you know, all those sort 284 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.639 of things, there was a bit more that was going on, 285 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.000 and even more settling. Some staff members had even spotted 286 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.759 a strange man lingering around the campgrounds in the weeks 287 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:05.320 leading up to this specific event. 288 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:08.960 Okay, that's a little bit more than just a bit unsettling, well, 289 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:10.240 very unsettling. 290 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.360 It could be, and it also couldn't be. What if 291 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:15.639 it's just an individual who's hiking through the area. 292 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.240 Yeah, like maybe he just moved to the area, I 293 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.279 guess or something and like exploring on his own exactly. 294 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.080 It's not like there's really a camp going on at 295 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.559 the moment. In many of these cases, it's counselor trainings 296 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:30.279 and stuff, you know. Events. This man's behavior didn't seem alarming, 297 00:14:30.399 --> 00:14:33.200 he was polite in any encounters, He didn't cause any trouble, 298 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.600 so none of the sightings were really reported. Okay, just 299 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.679 four days before the Girl Scout session began, Camp Scott 300 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.039 director Richard Day did have an encounter with him while 301 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:47.080 out walking about four miles from the camp, he met 302 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.799 a tall man who asked him where he could find 303 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:50.759 a nearby creek to fill up a bucket of water. 304 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:54.879 Richard gave him directions, and though the interaction was brief, 305 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:56.519 that was about that. 306 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:01.519 M okay, that seems I ass relative late normal. 307 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:05.960 Harmless, right, yeah yeah so. Yet one incident did stand 308 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.120 out from the rest and shook the camp to its core. 309 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.000 During a training weekend for cadets earlier that spring, one 310 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.320 of the older campers returned to their tent to find 311 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.720 that someone had drummaged through their belongings and stole all 312 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.279 their food. In place of the missing items, a note 313 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:24.679 had been left inside an empty box of donuts. The 314 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.360 note was written on pages torn from a small notebook, 315 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:31.960 and on the first three pages the word kill had 316 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.440 been scrawled repeatedly. 317 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.159 Oh jeez. 318 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:39.399 The final page carried an even more disturbing message, we 319 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.399 are on a mission to kill three girls in one tent. 320 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.799 Oh dang. I thought it was going to be like 321 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.240 a little note that said like, sorry, we're really hungry, 322 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.440 thanks for your food or something, but not so much. 323 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.799 Definitely not now. One of the campers present during that 324 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.720 weekend was deeply disturbed by this note and quickly brought 325 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.000 the brought it to the attention of the camp director. 326 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.720 Despite the frightening tone of this message and the questionable 327 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.840 intent behind it, the incident was ultimately dismissed as a 328 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:12.679 cruel prank. 329 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.519 And I mean, that is hard. It probably should be reported. 330 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:19.759 But also it's like, I mean, how much can you 331 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:21.840 take it at face value? Right? 332 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.200 Exactly? And there was a couple different reports that I 333 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:33.240 read of some campers taking responsibility for writing these notes. Oh, 334 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:38.159 I'm unsure on the accuracy of those accounts, but there 335 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:40.759 are some accounts out there of talking about. 336 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:41.399 That, okay. 337 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:44.960 So regardless of it, if someone did take accountability or not, 338 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:50.720 it was dismissed as a prank either way. Now, let's 339 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:54.840 assume it's a prank, okay, it seemed like a harmless 340 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.639 yet distasteful joke if it is a camper just writing that, right. 341 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.200 But in Hindi it's more of an ominous warning, whether 342 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.359 or not it's an intentional one or not. So on 343 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.799 the night in question, June twelfth, nineteen seventy seven, the 344 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.200 campers at Campscott were restless. The girl Scouts were often 345 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.160 waking up to unsettling noises drifting through the woods that 346 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.720 surrounded their campsite. At around one thirty am, one of 347 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:23.160 the camp counselors, Carla will Hit, was startled awake by 348 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.599 a loud, groaning sound nearby. It wasn't the first time 349 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.599 Carla felt uneasy about strange sounds around this camp. In fact, 350 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:31.880 just a few weeks earlier, she was staying at the 351 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.359 staff house and she had been jolted awake by a 352 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.799 noise outside the front door, and when she had gotten 353 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.519 up to investigate, she found nothing unusual and assumed it 354 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.160 was another staff member moving about. 355 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.319 Right, And honestly, I was just going to say too, 356 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:46.880 Like for the girls, the campers the first night, they 357 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.200 probably would be waking up often and most likely right 358 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.400 because it's the first night there and they're not used 359 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.920 to the sound is exactly. 360 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.039 It's an unfamiliar area, different sound. 361 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:57.720 Not at home. 362 00:17:57.839 --> 00:17:59.559 You're not at home, you're not with your parents, not 363 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.720 with your friends. It's completely new. You don't know what 364 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:07.200 to expect. Lots is going to happen, right, But in 365 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.000 Carla's case, before she could relax after this incident, the 366 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.680 camp dog Sally had started growling and barking outside as well, 367 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:15.960 which was not normal since Sally was known to be 368 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.759 a very gentle and well trained dog, only reacting in 369 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:20.799 such ways to strangers and wild animals. 370 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.000 Okay, oh, I love that there was a camp tool. 371 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:25.200 I know Sally. 372 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.839 Sally would have been my best friend. Yes yet now 373 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.519 this night, however, Sally did eventually quiet down, and Carla 374 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:34.720 managed to go to bed and drift back to sleep. 375 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.559 On this night, as she heard the groaning sound at 376 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.880 one thirty am, Carla got up to check things out. 377 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:44.039 She stepped outside, scanning the area and with a flashlight 378 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.279 in hand, but everything seemed to be calm and nothing 379 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.720 was indicating any source of noise or being out of place. 380 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.200 Assuming it might just be a wild animal prowling through 381 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.920 the woods, she eventually returned to her tent, trying to 382 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:59.160 shake off the eerie feeling. Thirty minutes later, a camper 383 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.759 stirred to the sound someone unzipping a tent flap that 384 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:08.079 unzipping was in their tent yep. The child saw a 385 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.599 figure standing outside waving a flashlight around, and the camper 386 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:14.000 didn't feel alarmed though, because it was most likely just 387 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.559 a camp counselor exactly and the figure moved away without 388 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:20.839 saying another word, and that child also drifted back to sleep. 389 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.240 Oh no, oh, this is just okay. It makes sense 390 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.880 actually to do this on the first night because people 391 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:29.960 aren't aren't you like, the kids aren't used to it. 392 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.519 Maybe that that's what the counselors do kind of thing. 393 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:35.240 Right, like, oh well, I mean, in all honesty, that 394 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.480 already happened. Michelle already unzipped and peeked in number eight 395 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:39.200 looking for Doris. 396 00:19:39.279 --> 00:19:40.960 Right, yeah, and make sure that she was all right. 397 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:44.400 I'm sure counselors are doing that. Maybe that was just 398 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:45.920 a counselor. We don't know. 399 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:47.519 So. 400 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:49.759 At around three am, another girl was awakened by an 401 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:54.880