Speaker 1: Worst basketball game every West Virginia.
Speaker 2: Pick a jersey number.
Speaker 1: He sucked picket coach, he didn't do his job.
Speaker 3: On Kansas FLA.
Speaker 2: That's just every here you go camp country roads. Take
Speaker 2: me home.
Speaker 1: To a coal mine with my inbred I'll cole West
Speaker 1: Virginia and breeding and later to see beating bills.
Speaker 2: Every year, every single year.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna go Dad. It was back on the puck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna well, as you know, the Daniel
Speaker 2: era was ten years ago, Landon and now ten years later,
Speaker 2: glad to see that they're not just they're diverse enough
Speaker 2: now at k at Ku to lose to West Virginia
Speaker 2: in every state. It's not just the road games that
Speaker 2: they're now losing to them in, it's all of the games. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, it's like a dot of the net.
Speaker 1: I win there, I lose there, I lose everywhere. Welcome
Speaker 1: to West Virginia and Allen Field House twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: This is Camas.
Speaker 2: Dammit Bill, damnit l damnitil.
Speaker 4: So Kansas Kansas plays Virginia and it didn't go well,
Speaker 4: which we're quite used to on the show. But the
Speaker 4: safe space used to be Allen Fieldhouse, where West Virginia
Speaker 4: would build their ten point leads, melt them away in
Speaker 4: Kansas would escape with victories where we'd all convince ourselves
Speaker 4: were more impressive than they actually were. And sure enough,
Speaker 4: history looked like it was repeating itself on Tuesday whenever
Speaker 4: Kansas fell behind by a bunch to West Virginia. But
Speaker 4: then wait, they tied it and off to victory. They
Speaker 4: were final possession. All they need was to hold one more. Oh,
Speaker 4: come on, Floory, play some defense.
Speaker 1: Oh I'll just like, I don't want to put that
Speaker 1: on Floory, Like, it's just hard to it's hard to
Speaker 1: pay him.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's very because because earlier we said pick a player,
Speaker 2: they didn't play well for Flory maybe the one of
Speaker 2: two exceptions to that. But I'm gonna lead off here
Speaker 2: as we went welcome into the this is a safe
Speaker 2: space inside the paint on rock Chalk blog. I'm I'm unimpressed,
Speaker 2: but still hanging in there and predicting this team to
Speaker 2: win fifteen conference games.
Speaker 3: Crazy. I already said my name.
Speaker 1: I disagree with a lot of what Ryan just said.
Speaker 1: And I am Bob Huggin smiling down from the heavens
Speaker 1: above at his former school.
Speaker 2: Well you guys won't disagree with this. So here's just
Speaker 2: here's what I wanted to talk about before it gets lost.
Speaker 2: So I listened to that. I listened to a lot
Speaker 2: of radio. I'm in the car a lot for work,
Speaker 2: and after the game ended, I was working time to
Speaker 2: listen to who else but Brillian Haney, the last voice
Speaker 2: you'd want to hear on the last day of the year.
Speaker 2: I figured it was perfect listening to the postgame show,
Speaker 2: and Brian Haney, first of all, starts reading a Wendy's advertisement,
Speaker 2: just because it's what he does. He starts going, even
Speaker 2: though they lost, you gotta admit a Wendy's burger, doesn't
Speaker 2: that sound tasty? And I just thought to myself, that
Speaker 2: is that is. At least we know what Brian Haney
Speaker 2: is good at one thing, and it is and he's
Speaker 2: good at two things. He's good at being a horrendous announcer,
Speaker 2: and he's also good at reading promos. But then Brian
Speaker 2: Haney read about a guy that he met before the game,
Speaker 2: and this was a twenty year old man that was
Speaker 2: dealing with a cancer diagnosis, and this kid had been
Speaker 2: through They detailed a two year fight and how he
Speaker 2: was a big Kansas basketball fan and he wanted to
Speaker 2: come to Alan Fieldhouse for a game, so Kansas flew
Speaker 2: him out. He got a pregame Sorry, it's.
Speaker 1: I can't say that that's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get there. That's that's that's what we'll get there.
Speaker 2: We're going right for the throat today. So they fly
Speaker 2: this kid out to Allen Field House and apparently because
Speaker 2: he hasn't been through enough, they let brilliant Haney give
Speaker 2: him a tour of Allen Field House before the game.
Speaker 2: The poor kid and then after that, after enduring this,
Speaker 2: he has to watch that absolute see who on the
Speaker 2: court basketball game and I think, man, that poor kid's
Speaker 2: been through enough. I wonder if that kid after the
Speaker 2: game is like, you know what, you know what, Chemo
Speaker 2: really sucked. But watching Kansas lose after scoring twenty points
Speaker 2: in the first half to West Virginia at Ome, I
Speaker 2: I wonder if he'd think, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure which one is worse. I don't know. I'm sure
Speaker 2: I'm sure cancer was worse, but that but that that
Speaker 2: that that game was cancer for the eyeballs, because oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, was that awful? And uh, we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about it, because what else would we do. You know,
Speaker 2: Brian Haney would would be like that, don't tasty to
Speaker 2: talk about this game.
Speaker 3: Are you guys excited?
Speaker 1: Ba humbug? I am.
Speaker 3: I'm pumped. I'm so ready to roll here?
Speaker 2: All right, Well you know what you guys are ready,
Speaker 2: then let's get right on with the Yeah, Harry, let's
Speaker 2: get right on with that. Let's rock. You know how
Speaker 2: many times I have read I swear West Virginia has
Speaker 2: beaten Kansas sixty two to sixty one, like four times
Speaker 2: in the last eight years. Like I feel like that's
Speaker 2: always that's always the game. West Virginia sixty two, more
Speaker 2: specifically sixty two number seven. Kansas sixty one will sucks.
Speaker 1: I think what makes this whole situation situation worse is
Speaker 1: I lived with a guy once. He was a West
Speaker 1: Virginia fan, and he was built like a cheese puff
Speaker 1: and he just had the personality of a cheese curd,
Speaker 1: and he sucked and he rubbed it in my face.
Speaker 1: Whenever Kansas lost to them, he followed me on Twitter
Speaker 1: and he would make sure to mention. And it happened
Speaker 1: to every single year. Because Bill doesn't like to beat
Speaker 1: West Virginia. And then this year, of course the one
Speaker 1: time where I'm like, hey, it's at Allen Field House,
Speaker 1: this will be fine. Nah, it's not. It's not fine.
Speaker 2: So in twenty nineteen and I show Landa Nick and
Speaker 2: I recapped West Virginia upset number seven Kansas sixty five
Speaker 2: to sixty four. And then so that's close. I feel
Speaker 2: like that just about every game up there they lost.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this type of game is to be expected
Speaker 2: West Virginia. Well here's your game story, steam rolling into
Speaker 2: Allen Field House was shorthanded in thirteen point underdog West
Speaker 2: Virginia who forced Kansas into a gouger eyes out twenty
Speaker 2: first half points, twenty points in the first half.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what's funny. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: cut you off, Ryan, but just for all of our
Speaker 1: listeners out there that are unaware of how our group
Speaker 1: chat works, how it works typically it's Ryan No with
Speaker 1: six straight inflammatory remarks, and Landon will chime in every
Speaker 1: like six hours hours and be like, ah, that's funny. Well,
Speaker 1: when the first half was happening, I was on a
Speaker 1: ladder at work, and no, I was not hanging myself
Speaker 1: from a ladder. But I was on a ladder doing
Speaker 1: things and during this whole time, my phone's blowing up,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that can't be good. And so then
Speaker 1: I looked down on my phone and it's four minutes
Speaker 1: to go in the first half and Kansas has thirteen points,
Speaker 1: and I looked at my phone and I was like,
Speaker 1: how oh, sorry, carry on, it's just my little synopsis
Speaker 1: of the first half.
Speaker 2: And I, yeah, Landon does. Landon is not a man
Speaker 2: of many texts, but he delivers the ones that he sends,
Speaker 2: and canadbi are just volume type, fire off every thought.
Speaker 1: When you see Landon send like six text messages in
Speaker 1: a span of like five, it's either very bad, a
Speaker 1: nuke is coming or Kansas is getting obliterated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of them. It was the second one. Yes,
Speaker 2: it was so Kansas. They scored twenty points in the
Speaker 2: first half. The defense was only better by default because
Speaker 2: it was the only reason they weren't down fifty to
Speaker 2: twenty is because West Virginia plays in the Big twelve,
Speaker 2: therefore offenses hard. The deficit then grew to eighteen just
Speaker 2: after halftime, before the Jayhawks, or more specifically, the fighting
Speaker 2: Zeke Mayos started clipping away, finally getting the score tied
Speaker 2: with thirteen seconds left, a number that proved to be
Speaker 2: unlucky because Kansas was unable to hold on the ensuing possession.
Speaker 2: What a forced overtime. Javon Small draws a foul with
Speaker 2: two seconds left, He makes a free throw and helps
Speaker 2: the Mountaineers earn their first ever Lord knows they've been
Speaker 2: close a few times. This was the time they finally
Speaker 2: get their first win at Allen field House. There are
Speaker 2: some stats, some history behind it, but more importantly, whereas
Speaker 2: the Creighton and the Missouri games, they definitely exposed a
Speaker 2: couple things about this team that we said needed to improve.
Speaker 2: I think this is the first time this year that
Speaker 2: people are really sounding alarm bells because the Jayhawks loses
Speaker 2: a thirteen point home favorite their OH to one conference
Speaker 2: played for the first time since George H. W. Bush
Speaker 2: was president. And yeah, everybody, just go your thoughts. How
Speaker 2: about that? How about those Jayhawks?
Speaker 3: All bad? That was woof that was bad even even
Speaker 3: in the comeback. Now I will say full credit, Like
Speaker 3: we'll get into this later. Bill switches to a Floory
Speaker 3: and Hunter at the same time lineup. I can't remember
Speaker 3: who was primarily playing on the perimeter at that point,
Speaker 3: but Harris was out there. I now, Mayo is out
Speaker 3: there a lot.
Speaker 2: I was quite quite was like a plus fourteen in
Speaker 2: this game or something like that. He was there, and
Speaker 2: obviously Zeke Mayo and Harris, Yeah, that was the lineup
Speaker 2: that got him close.
Speaker 3: That lineup played outrageously good defense for a long stretch
Speaker 3: in the second half. Like full credit yea to that
Speaker 3: section of the game. The defense was excellent for a
Speaker 3: long stretch in the second half, and that was a
Speaker 3: huge reason why they got back. Even though even during
Speaker 3: the comeback, though offensively, yes, Zeke Mayo was creating things.
Speaker 3: He was getting to the free throw line of Ton
Speaker 3: that was really good to see. He played well, But
Speaker 3: like even then, that was just sort of like when
Speaker 3: you're desperate in two K and you don't know what
Speaker 3: else to do, so you have one guy who's your
Speaker 3: most complete score and you're just like, well, I'm going
Speaker 3: to get him the ball every time, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to try to do literally anything I can with only
Speaker 3: that player because that's all I have right now. And
Speaker 3: it almost worked, but not exactly. The most encouraging of
Speaker 3: comebacks either it wasn't a complete team performance. Really, it
Speaker 3: was good defense and one guy just gutting out getting
Speaker 3: to the free throw line. Really really bad stuff. I
Speaker 3: am dangerously close to selling all my stock on this team.
Speaker 3: I know it's one game in conference play the day
Speaker 3: before New Year's Nonetheless, this team, I don't think they're
Speaker 3: very good.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's similar to what we saw last year.
Speaker 2: It's the story has been the same with all three losses.
Speaker 2: They immediately fall behind horrendous starts. They trailed by double
Speaker 2: digits at halftime in each of their three losses, and
Speaker 2: then in each of those games less so with Creighton definite.
Speaker 2: This game really mirrored the Missouri game. It was just
Speaker 2: at home. They make a furious comeback with about ten
Speaker 2: minutes left after they've played pitifully for thirty and they
Speaker 2: just don't have quite enough to get over the top.
Speaker 2: We saw this happen lots year. This team would be
Speaker 2: buried ten minutes into basketball games. Think Texas Tech, Think Houston,
Speaker 2: think Cincinnati last year, just horrendous first halves that bury them.
Speaker 2: This team is not built to come back, especially when
Speaker 2: Landon As you said, they were really just depending on
Speaker 2: one player getting to the line and making one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of his shots to do that, Cam Landon's close
Speaker 2: to selling all of his sockets. Still pretty early in
Speaker 2: the year. This team's gonna get at least thirty three
Speaker 2: basketball games. They've only played twelve, and we know the
Speaker 2: talents on this roster. But are you close to selling
Speaker 2: your stock in the twenty twenty five Jayhawks as we
Speaker 2: are just two days into that calendar year.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually I took a page out of Nancy Pelosi's
Speaker 1: book and I sold all of my stocks a while ago,
Speaker 1: on up a lot of money. I don't think this
Speaker 1: team has problems that are going to be fixed, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I think they could be fixed. But I think Bill
Speaker 1: self is very stubborn, and it's really it's the same
Speaker 1: thing as last year. I'm sorry, in like the whole.
Speaker 2: Thing that's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: You go into the portal, you get guys that are
Speaker 1: great basketball players, and you're the one that's getting them,
Speaker 1: and then you don't play them, and it's just it's
Speaker 1: so painfully obvious. Like there was a quote after the
Speaker 1: game and it said DeVries said he took a page
Speaker 1: out of his old boss's book at Creighton McDermott, and
Speaker 1: he just didn't guard kJ Adams. And I'm the first
Speaker 1: person to say I love kJ Adams. He's an awesome guy.
Speaker 1: But like you, it's just painfully obvious that this core
Speaker 1: isn't gonna work. Whether Bill will adjust to that, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we've seen it for they were
Speaker 1: what they lost, wasn't it fourteen games last year?
Speaker 2: I think it was third. I think I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was that. Man, it was eight conference games,
Speaker 2: there was thirteen couple tournament losses, it was. It was
Speaker 2: double digits.
Speaker 1: It was a lot. And my stat references.
Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about like literally last calendar year in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Yeah, yeah, they lost like thirteen or
Speaker 2: fourteen games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 2: It was like twenty and thirteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: And it's I mean, the cool thing about this team
Speaker 1: is that it can be fixed. And I think that
Speaker 1: Bill self, deep down knows he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not he hasn't forgotten how to coach.
Speaker 1: And no, I'm not saying that this team isn't gonna
Speaker 1: make the NCAA tournament. That's not gonna happen. The floor's
Speaker 1: not gonna fall out, but I do think they have
Speaker 1: massive problems in this game pretty much showed all of.
Speaker 2: Them Land and you kind of sounded a little bit
Speaker 2: skeptical that Bill self that he might not be forgetting
Speaker 2: how to coach? Are you is that alarm bell going
Speaker 2: off the land and thinks Bill Self is washed horn?
Speaker 3: If I was going for just soundbitey meme sentences, I
Speaker 3: would say, yeah, Bill Self is washed and he doesn't
Speaker 3: have anymore. I think the real answer to that is
Speaker 3: that I think, like you're seeing in a lot of
Speaker 3: different corners of college sports, that I think the transfer
Speaker 3: portal era is a dynamic unlike that which we have
Speaker 3: ever seen in college sports. And I don't think Bill
Speaker 3: self has been very good at it at all. And
Speaker 3: I would dare anyone to tell me how he's been
Speaker 3: good in the portal era. Now, obviously he's gotten good
Speaker 3: transfers in his career, but the portal era in the
Speaker 3: last two to three years is an entirely different animal
Speaker 3: than what Bill self has recruited in.
Speaker 2: Hey, he was pretty good whenever he could, he was
Speaker 2: pretty good whenever he was the only one that was
Speaker 2: paying players.
Speaker 3: Now that everybody's doing it, yeah, yeah, and Cal sat
Speaker 3: in a room for a few hours, all right, and
Speaker 3: came up with this system. I think he is having
Speaker 3: a very difficult time adjusting to this. And I think
Speaker 3: it's very clear based on how these last two teams
Speaker 3: have panned out and obviously again panned out twelve games in. Like,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but how the struggles, the specific
Speaker 3: struggles rotational struggles that these teams have had that Bill
Speaker 3: selfs teams do not normally have to this extent. I
Speaker 3: think is pretty solid evidence to say Bill Self is
Speaker 3: not fully comfortable in this era of college basketball.
Speaker 2: Well, we saw guys retire Shryzewski, Beheim, Williams. Was it
Speaker 2: because they were old? Partially? It's also because they said
Speaker 2: they didn't want to deal with this, That's what Nick
Speaker 2: Saban said, Like it's not for everybody, and you're seeing
Speaker 2: the younger coaches, the guys like Nate Oates and Danny Hurley,
Speaker 2: they've had more success with this, And I think Bill
Speaker 2: Self likes the transfer re portal more than most, But
Speaker 2: no doubt that it's a guy who's been coaching for
Speaker 2: forty years and it's difficult to teach an old dog
Speaker 2: new tricks. It's not that I don't think Bill self
Speaker 2: is willing, and it's not that I don't think Bill
Speaker 2: self is capable, But you're right. A year and twelve
Speaker 2: games in, the results haven't been very good, despite building
Speaker 2: two preseason powerhouses on paper. Here are some stats before
Speaker 2: we get into the players. It is the first conference
Speaker 2: opening loss for the Jayhawks since nineteen ninety one. That
Speaker 2: ends a thirty three year streak that, if we're being honest,
Speaker 2: had seen its fair chance of its fair amount of
Speaker 2: miraculous escapes. Oklahoma State was a bad team a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. They almost wanted Allen. They needed a
Speaker 2: ridiculous comeback to escape there year Kansas barely escaped and
Speaker 2: on the bubble TCU team at the Buzzer. So there's
Speaker 2: all sorts of this streak should have ended a couple times.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily that they lost the first game that
Speaker 2: goes to show they can't still be a conference champ.
Speaker 2: Houston started one and two last year and wound up
Speaker 2: fifteen and three, So it's not like this is a
Speaker 2: doomsday sentence, but we did from a Big twelve perspective,
Speaker 2: we talked about how the second half of the schedule
Speaker 2: is brutal. You got to have at least six wins
Speaker 2: through your first nine, if not seven, have much of
Speaker 2: a chance and doesn't help get in the first l
Speaker 2: at home. This is also West Virginia's first ever win
Speaker 2: at Allen field House in thirteen trips. Seeking of things
Speaker 2: that have come very close to happening before, this is
Speaker 2: the sixth time in those thirteen years if they had
Speaker 2: a double digit second half lead at Allen Fieldhouse. I
Speaker 2: guess one year it was just in the first half.
Speaker 2: They've had a double digit lead six times in those
Speaker 2: thirteen games. Finally got one done, and this was probably
Speaker 2: the most improbable team to pull it off of all
Speaker 2: those weird, weird, weird game all things considered, Cam, I
Speaker 2: know we probably need to get into the players, but
Speaker 2: overall this this has to be the most deflating loss
Speaker 2: of the three.
Speaker 1: Right I think so. I mean, it's one thing, it
Speaker 1: would have been more understandable if Kansas had lost one
Speaker 1: of the really good Bob Huggins teams. I mean, this
Speaker 1: team is down what two of its top players. It's
Speaker 1: it's just not it's.
Speaker 2: Again get into Kansas until like three in the morning,
Speaker 2: because the playing trouble. Yeah, they don't have their best shooter,
Speaker 2: and like this was a short and we did point
Speaker 2: that out as the comeback was happening. I said, West
Speaker 2: Virginia had all the makings of a team that could
Speaker 2: fall apart really fast because they were exhausted, they were
Speaker 2: racking up fouls, they were shorthanded, and we've obviously seen
Speaker 2: them fall apart in the environment at Allen Field House.
Speaker 2: And as a credit to them two different times that
Speaker 2: it really felt like that dam was getting ready to break.
Speaker 2: It didn't. Kansas cut it to two, and West Virginia
Speaker 2: quickly then made back to back shots to get it
Speaker 2: back to seven whenever it was at its loudest, and
Speaker 2: then right after that, whenever Kansas does tie the game
Speaker 2: and Alan Field, how how many times have we seen
Speaker 2: Kansas tie a game with fifteen seconds left and you
Speaker 2: need the other to not score to force overtime and
Speaker 2: they never do. West Virginia gritted in there and they
Speaker 2: Javon Small drew a really really savvy foul on a
Speaker 2: young player. So they managed to get done with so
Speaker 2: many teams, teams we thought were better teams that had
Speaker 2: better players, could not do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it's funny. West Virginia also made
Speaker 1: some very difficult shots coming down that stretch. I can't
Speaker 1: remember who made it, but there was like a fade
Speaker 1: away from the baseline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like almost behind.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that was kind of what I And those
Speaker 2: are the ones that maybe that was right after. That
Speaker 2: was right after Doug Sermons called the over the back
Speaker 2: over and back call that set up the possession where
Speaker 2: that made they made that ridiculous rainbow over the top. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks Doug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean those shots that went in kind
Speaker 1: of just those are all the shots of West Virginia
Speaker 1: didn't make in those years at Allenfield House. So I
Speaker 1: mean at some point you had to think it would
Speaker 1: flip over. So it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Zeke Mao Landon. You've been the original
Speaker 2: Zeke Mao Stan. I feel like you should get the
Speaker 2: right to talk about him. He was the bright spot
Speaker 2: in a game that didn't have many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was really superman in this game, and he
Speaker 3: really did try to carry the Kansas world on his shoulders.
Speaker 3: Here for the backstretch of this game, he had twenty
Speaker 3: seven points on just thirteen shots. Going six of thirteen
Speaker 3: from the floor, four for six from two, two for
Speaker 3: seven for three, but he was thirteen of thirteen from
Speaker 3: the line, finally giving fans an answer to the won
Speaker 3: happen if they actually tried to get to the line question,
Speaker 3: which I was just thinking I was just talking about
Speaker 3: before the game actually that I was watching with my
Speaker 3: mom and I was like, who was very interested in this?
Speaker 3: By the way, I was like, hey, Mom, if Kansas
Speaker 3: needs to get to the free throw line, and if
Speaker 3: they do that, they might actually And then they did,
Speaker 3: and they still lost.
Speaker 2: But was one guy did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was fantastic. He deserved a lot better from
Speaker 3: the majority of his supporting cast, but he did all
Speaker 3: he could. He made some big buckets. He had a
Speaker 3: huge and one obviously got to the line. Zeke Mayo,
Speaker 3: you're innocent.
Speaker 2: He scored the last how many? Like Hunter had the
Speaker 2: putback at the second chance put back, but I think
Speaker 2: Zeke Mayo had. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored
Speaker 2: the last like twelve of their last like fifteen points
Speaker 2: like he scored the last six or maybe Hunter. Dickinson's
Speaker 2: layup was in between his three and his and one,
Speaker 2: so he scored at least eight of the last ten
Speaker 2: because Hunter made the one and one at the final
Speaker 2: TV timeout and that gave Kansas fifty one and they
Speaker 2: finished with sixty one. So he had eight of their
Speaker 2: final ten at minimum, And we we said kudos to
Speaker 2: us for banging this drum. We had said, Look, Kansas
Speaker 2: has good free throw shooters Zeke Mayo, aj Store, Ryland Griffin.
Speaker 2: They're all eighty percent career shooters, so if they get
Speaker 2: to the line, theoretically it should go well. Seq Mayo
Speaker 2: has been a great free throw shooter this year, so
Speaker 2: it it made sense to see him be successful after
Speaker 2: drawing fouls. But I'm with you, they are asking a
Speaker 2: lot of this guy. If Zeke Mayo becomes just average,
Speaker 2: let alone bad. If he becomes just average for a
Speaker 2: ten game stretch, Kansas might not be above five hundred
Speaker 2: in conference play.
Speaker 3: With that.
Speaker 2: He gave them twenty seven, and that should have been
Speaker 2: enough to beat a West Virginia team. You outscore West
Speaker 2: Virginia by twelve and the second half and get twenty
Speaker 2: seven from Zeke Mayo, that should be a comfortable win,
Speaker 2: not a loss. So yeah, I mean, we don't have
Speaker 2: a lot to analyze with Zeke Mayo. He was really good.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the other players, Cam, Let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and get the kJ Adams discourse going. I know that
Speaker 2: that's something that we'll be talked about. Tell me all
Speaker 2: about him and your most in your most subjective opinion possible.
Speaker 3: Cam.
Speaker 1: If a tree falls in the forest, but Kansas has
Speaker 1: a four guard lineup on the floor, did it really fall?
Speaker 3: Here's the tree for that question. But I, yes, you're right,
Speaker 3: I don't know exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Anyway, kJ Adams, kJ Adams did not do much
Speaker 1: rough go And again, I'm just gonna say this now,
Speaker 1: there's some people on Twitter. We do not hate kJ Adams.
Speaker 1: We were not actively rooting against Kansas to lose. We
Speaker 1: are not. We are fans of a program and we
Speaker 1: enjoy watching them, and we do not enjoy watching them lose.
Speaker 1: We're allowed to have opinions. Anyway. kJ Adams had a
Speaker 1: rough game. He had his worst game as Jayhawkey had
Speaker 1: two points, one rebound, three twenty eight minutes. He didn't
Speaker 1: sit until thirteen minutes, where he lapsed, at which point
Speaker 1: Kansas was already down ten points. He sat for the
Speaker 1: entire comeback run, only to be put back in with
Speaker 1: two minutes left, where he immediately filed twice. Bosha Goh
Speaker 1: had layup that was pretty bad and was the recipient
Speaker 1: of Hunter Dickinson's cross court last gas throw before missing
Speaker 1: that shot as well. I think Bill self has been
Speaker 1: doing mushrooms mid game because that that made zero sense.
Speaker 1: We're gonna Christian Laten style. That makes mary a pass
Speaker 1: down the court.
Speaker 3: He hallucinated kJ Adams as Christian Laightner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with that time, we're throw it.
Speaker 2: And Hunter Dickinson made an insane pass by the way,
Speaker 2: like it was right on the money, and Bill call
Speaker 2: time out and they asked him after the game, why
Speaker 2: didn't you call it?
Speaker 1: Tad?
Speaker 2: He goes, well, that was what I was looking Agatt, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what the hell was that? You got a great You
Speaker 2: could call time out with one two left and drew up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe the guy who's on an all
Speaker 2: time heater let him touch the ball and Okay, kJ Landon,
Speaker 2: I'll throw it to you in a second. Here's my
Speaker 2: kJ stick. I've met kJ Adams several times. Unbelievable guy.
Speaker 2: You can't help but think the world of him. He's
Speaker 2: obviously been through a lot of stuff. Nobody's rooting for
Speaker 2: kJ to fail, and if they are, they're the problem.
Speaker 2: Don't be on Twitter hoping kJ gets hurt or wishing
Speaker 2: ill of kJ Adams. He's out there giving the best
Speaker 2: he can for this team. It's also entirely fair to
Speaker 2: question if him playing the most minutes on the team
Speaker 2: game after game is something that Kansas should look for.
Speaker 2: And at this point, I think the more and more
Speaker 2: popular opinion is becoming that it is not. Because Bill
Speaker 2: self sits him and Kansas goes on a monster run
Speaker 2: and then for some reason, what what had kJ shown
Speaker 2: him that that would make him think I gotta get
Speaker 2: this guy back out there for two minutes. The miss
Speaker 2: layup is seemingly the most forgotten play of that second
Speaker 2: half of me when Kansas is they they're down one
Speaker 2: and they forced the turnover and kJ goes right at
Speaker 2: a guy instead of passing out of it. He doesn't
Speaker 2: don't get he's thrown. I don't even know if it
Speaker 2: hit the square on the back of the backboard. It
Speaker 2: missed everything. Yeah, and then the last shot. You can't
Speaker 2: really criticize the last shot. He had to get something
Speaker 2: up whatever, that's more of a.
Speaker 1: Code did get.
Speaker 2: I think he got fouled on on getting the ball
Speaker 2: more than the shot, but it remains to be seen.
Speaker 2: The point was call a timeout, Bill and then self
Speaker 2: after the game doubles down and says, you know, Rylan
Speaker 2: and AJ showed me nothing and Flori was good, so
Speaker 2: maybe we'll try three bigs Landon. Almost feels like we're
Speaker 2: being trolled at this point, that kJ Adams is getting
Speaker 2: this much run and is not producing anywhere near the
Speaker 2: return you'd expect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when he had maybe the worst game I've
Speaker 3: seen him have since his freshman year. You know, it's
Speaker 3: one thing when he's just not performing to our expectations,
Speaker 3: which I would agree. I think we hold him to
Speaker 3: a legitimately good standard, and I think, I mean we're
Speaker 3: not Bill self, but I think you can watch kJ
Speaker 3: Adams and see the flaws pretty obviously, but he's not
Speaker 3: always this bad. This was this was really really bad.
Speaker 3: I also fully agree, Like I like KG Adams as
Speaker 3: a guy. He seems like a really fun guy. I've
Speaker 3: never met him, but he seems super nice. Obviously, what
Speaker 3: he went through last year, like it's hard to like
Speaker 3: dislike him, but like, yeah, what are we doing? What
Speaker 3: are we actually watching with kJ Adams at this point,
Speaker 3: especially in a game like this where you desperately need
Speaker 3: to score the basketball and West Virginia teams are gonna
Speaker 3: run this until it doesn't work and spoiler works, Alert guys.
Speaker 3: Unless Kansas bury's teen threes or Dewan Harris scores twenty
Speaker 3: six points, it's gonna keep working to run this defensive
Speaker 3: style where you just don't guard Dewan Harrison, you don't
Speaker 3: guard kJ Adams when those.
Speaker 2: Jumble Hunter as the floor. We've seen the screenshot like
Speaker 2: Kj's man is just totally cool with him shooting that
Speaker 2: fifteen footer and Hunter's got two guys on him and
Speaker 2: Dewan's guy's playing off of him, and yeah, why why
Speaker 2: would that not work? Like it's only not worked a
Speaker 2: couple times. John Caliperry tried it last year in the
Speaker 2: Champions Classic and Dewan Harris made five threes and scored
Speaker 2: twenty three points. And after the game that Kansas won
Speaker 2: by six, Cal said, Yep, that was our strategy. It
Speaker 2: didn't work. He had a great game. Tip your cap.
Speaker 2: Greg McDermott tried it, it worked great. Missouri tried it, it worked great.
Speaker 2: West Virginia tried it. Look what happened like and it's
Speaker 2: really discouraging because I think kJ has value. Kj's not
Speaker 2: a bad player. People calling him the worst starter in
Speaker 2: the celfair, No, he's not. Conter t Hans started at
Speaker 2: Kansas for God's sake, Like kJ, Adams is not the
Speaker 2: worst starter in the celfare. He has value. He should be.
Speaker 2: He's the worst seventh man. Yes, he should be coming
Speaker 2: off the bench and playing twenty ish minutes a game
Speaker 2: as that spark plug, as a hustle guy. Not a
Speaker 2: guy that should be. And I mean it proved it.
Speaker 2: He was a minus seven uh in in the second
Speaker 2: most minutes of any player I think in this game,
Speaker 2: like just as.
Speaker 3: The trio of he, Harris and Dickinson simply cannot be
Speaker 3: on the floor at the same time, they absolutely can.
Speaker 2: We saw this last year. We saw it last year,
Speaker 2: and for some reason, after an eleven or twelve last season,
Speaker 2: they ran it back with sixty percent of the same players.
Speaker 2: And I do I'm it remains maybe they're all the problem.
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming the guy who was a second team
Speaker 2: All American and I'm not blaming the guy who's the
Speaker 2: current big twelve leader and assists before I'm blaming Kj's
Speaker 2: two to one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you chang, he's the piece you have to change,
Speaker 3: has to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we it's just hard.
Speaker 2: We've seen it with just him. Change and it worked
Speaker 2: the Hunter and and the one with with quote but
Speaker 2: doom Gout and Mayo it worked great.
Speaker 1: A lot better it did. And I mean if you guys,
Speaker 1: if you're a poor if you're thinking of entering the
Speaker 1: transfer portal, like why would you go to Kansas right now?
Speaker 1: Like honestly other than money?
Speaker 2: Then there's that yeah, like why but because self self
Speaker 2: is saying such different things about aj Store and Rylan
Speaker 2: Griffin saying he didn't show me anything nothing, and then
Speaker 2: well you see out a kJ I didn't think he
Speaker 2: played that well, Okay, there's a big difference here, like
Speaker 2: like Bill has to choose. You have to choose. You
Speaker 2: you either have to get comfortable with being uncomfortable and
Speaker 2: try different things, or you're gonna have to be prepared
Speaker 2: to go down with the ship. And he's very loyal
Speaker 2: to kJ Adams. But you know, I always say the
Speaker 2: quote Will Smith had to shoot his dog at some point.
Speaker 2: Dan Hurley wouldn't play kJ Adams.
Speaker 1: That's such a crazy quote, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a crazy quote, but it's a little
Speaker 2: intense basketball. But but Dan Hurley wouldn't play kJ Adams.
Speaker 2: Go watch the guys Dan Hurley plays. They can all
Speaker 2: shoot or they can all rebound. It's straightforward. He wouldn't playing,
Speaker 2: and he probably My guess is Dan Hurley would have
Speaker 2: Zeke Mayo be his primary point guard too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, those just really stubborn. We we know this.
Speaker 3: If you're a high level transfer, aj stores zero zero
Speaker 3: zero and zero is inspiring you to come to the Jayhawks.
Speaker 1: Zero zero zero in a million dollars in a Jayhawk
Speaker 1: chain and the transfers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does wear a headband, I think, and it
Speaker 2: looks cool, but it's better than his zero points. Who
Speaker 2: are the transfers in the five yeah? Or not about
Speaker 2: Carlton's head band? So in the last five or six years,
Speaker 2: who are the guys that have transferred here and how
Speaker 2: many have worked? Charlie Moore was a disaster, Ddrich Lawson
Speaker 2: was good. kJ Lawson was awful, Isaiah Moss was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Jalen Coleman Lands was was was good. Who else transferred
Speaker 2: in here? Mamun was awful. Was well, that was a
Speaker 2: that was a chore and a half getting Bill self
Speaker 2: to suck it up and play the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cam Martin shot like five to three plays that
Speaker 1: I think had about the exact chance of be winning
Speaker 1: the lottery of going in.
Speaker 2: Cam Martin wasn't very good. They tried who else did
Speaker 2: they try last year? Obviously? Nick Timberlake was awful this year.
Speaker 2: I mean the the early returns on transfer, say, and
Speaker 2: Hunter Dickinson is good, uh so, but the early results say,
Speaker 2: like three out of four of these guys are swinging.
Speaker 2: Yeah he Son Dickens. Dickinson was a no douber. By
Speaker 2: the way, you can't screw up Hunter Dickinson. That's impossible statistically.
Speaker 2: So mccullor legitimately became a All America caliber player at
Speaker 2: his best at Kansas, Remy Martin helped win him a title. Again,
Speaker 2: a hard one to screw up, but still Dickinson's been
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: Kind of get screwed up though.
Speaker 3: He got as close as you can. Yeah, no to
Speaker 3: screwing a natural tuttle run up like am I wrong?
Speaker 2: Like regular seasons. I know he's hurt, but yeah, Bill's
Speaker 2: got to adjust or he's got it. He's gotta, I mean, crapper,
Speaker 2: get off the pot essentially with these transfers, like you
Speaker 2: gotta make it work or it's it's not getting easier. Guys,
Speaker 2: aren't I know that you love winning with your guys
Speaker 2: that are in school for three or four years. He's
Speaker 2: trying so hard to do that with Harris and kJ
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work unless those guys are Jalen Wilson
Speaker 2: caliber players. That's the only way you win with that. Yep,
Speaker 2: nailed it all, right, Land, and tell me about Florid
Speaker 2: be doing. But let's talk about the bigs, because yeah,
Speaker 2: that too big lineup. As as hilarious and ironic as
Speaker 2: it was, it felt like a last ditch effort himself,
Speaker 2: and it worked great.
Speaker 3: It did work genuinely really well.
Speaker 2: Flory worked on defense great.
Speaker 3: It did work on defense really well. Mostly the duga
Speaker 3: got caught in transition once or twice, but otherwise he
Speaker 3: was fantastic and half court defense, and he was good
Speaker 3: in the game in general. Eight points eleven. He bounds
Speaker 3: in just seventeen minutes, really nice like microwave stuff from
Speaker 3: Flori And that's when the game started to turn. As
Speaker 3: we talked about when he opted to play both Hunter
Speaker 3: and Floor at the same time. Hunter himself had ten
Speaker 3: and twelve and thirty three minutes. He did have a
Speaker 3: huge second chance put back in the final minute, but
Speaker 3: he only made four field goals. Bill self suggestion after
Speaker 3: the game, will try three bigs next time, something bill
Speaker 3: self has wanted to do ever since he pleasured himself
Speaker 3: for the first time. He thought that was the only
Speaker 3: thing that came close to that feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kJ at the three might be the only thing
Speaker 2: worse than kJ at the four.
Speaker 3: Quick note on Hunter not all his fault, but also
Speaker 3: not like an outrageously good game, but definitely not all
Speaker 3: his fault.
Speaker 2: He's not getting any help from kJ. But man, the
Speaker 2: pick and roll defense. Like the books out on Hunter,
Speaker 2: he can't defend a pick and roll. Mark Few was
Speaker 2: the one who made that obvious for everybody to see.
Speaker 2: And kJ doesn't.
Speaker 3: Good in those first like eight minutes, like it was
Speaker 3: like they had. He genuinely had to get pulled sat
Speaker 3: because he was that big of a liability in the
Speaker 3: first like five to six minutes.
Speaker 2: But kJ didn't get pulled, Sir Hunter sure did, but
Speaker 2: kJ sure as hell didn't. Yeah, the second.
Speaker 3: Chance real Kansas basketball player.
Speaker 2: That's right, got some fouls. Hunter's best play of the
Speaker 2: game was the second chance put back. A lot of
Speaker 2: people have wanted him to be stronger through contact and
Speaker 2: more physical big that was a grown man's second chance
Speaker 2: bucket and put back. That was really good to see
Speaker 2: because that's the sort of stuff that we haven't seen
Speaker 2: a lot of from him this year. But no, if
Speaker 2: Hunter Dickinson has four baskets, you either have to make
Speaker 2: a lot of threes or you got to hold your
Speaker 2: opponent in the fifties. And they didn't do that. Cam.
Speaker 2: Stat Florie Badonga has one hundred and forty four percent
Speaker 2: of kJ adams rebounding total in just forty three percent
Speaker 2: of the minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really bad at math, but even my just
Speaker 1: atrocious UNDERSTATEUM numbers knows that's bad.
Speaker 2: And rebounding isn't everything. It's not everything, but it is
Speaker 2: it is something here.
Speaker 1: Okay, Cam, it's not everything, but when you can't shoot
Speaker 1: or do anything else, it matters. Yes, let's talk about's
Speaker 1: favorite players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want.
Speaker 1: To take it away now, you go for it all.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm giving Cam all the bad times today,
Speaker 2: But go for it.
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like I'm just a Debbie Downer right now.
Speaker 1: AJ Store and Ryland Griffin per bill self gave Kansas
Speaker 1: nothing together. They played lesson. They played one less minute
Speaker 1: than kJ Adams did by himself.
Speaker 3: Crime.
Speaker 1: I had to think about that for a second before
Speaker 1: I said it, because that's outrageous. Store quite literally did nothing.
Speaker 1: He posted a Tony Snell asked zero zero zero zero
Speaker 1: zero blocks in fifteen minutes. He was a minus fourteen
Speaker 1: in those fifteen minutes. Really good if you're playing golf.
Speaker 1: Ryland Griffin made a three and twelve minutes, which is
Speaker 1: basically saying Nick Timberlake came out of hibernation and saw
Speaker 1: a shadow on Groundhog's Day. In other news, AJ Store
Speaker 1: and Ryland Griffin contributed as much as I have to
Speaker 1: the gross domestic product of the United States, which is nothing.
Speaker 2: Uh, they need to play more landon. I'll give I'll
Speaker 2: give you Ryland Griffin. He hasn't. I don't think he's
Speaker 2: gotten a chance. I think he's done some good things.
Speaker 2: I think he's got to play more than he is.
Speaker 2: He needs a longer leash. But you kind of said
Speaker 2: AJ Storages kind of sucks and so far he has
Speaker 2: kind of sucked this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could trade aj Store to nj I
Speaker 3: T for like three vending machines, I think you take that.
Speaker 3: He's he's terrible. I think I think the ship has
Speaker 3: sailed on Store. And that's nothing against him. Obviously he
Speaker 3: was brilliant Wisconsin last year, but like, what, like, what
Speaker 3: are what are we doing? Like there's nothing there? There
Speaker 3: is nothing there. And I'm for a while I agreed
Speaker 3: with you Ryan that like this was just playing more
Speaker 3: playing more like I've been on that camp with you
Speaker 3: and you know.
Speaker 2: We were both happy to see him starting in this game,
Speaker 2: so that opinion was still true like at the start
Speaker 2: of this game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also like, look look at what this guy
Speaker 3: has done this season. There is not a lot to
Speaker 3: point to. I think, I I and this hopefully will
Speaker 3: be his worst game of the season. But I don't
Speaker 3: know how much we can expect Store, a guy that
Speaker 3: coming into this year was widely considered to be like
Speaker 3: the leading Canada to be a top two or three
Speaker 3: scorer on this team, and if he gives you anything,
Speaker 3: you're thrilled. Again, this is by far, hopefully will be
Speaker 3: by far his worst game of the season.
Speaker 2: But I sorry to get worse at zero zero, zero,
Speaker 2: zero and zero.
Speaker 3: He could be mine as fifteen or worse.
Speaker 1: Just such a bad fit.
Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing with Store. On the last
Speaker 2: show that cam, you weren't on Landon and I said,
Speaker 2: if Aj Storre and Rylan Griffin do nothing, Kansas is
Speaker 2: a five hundred Big twelve team. If they both average
Speaker 2: ten points a game, Kansas probably wins fifteen league games.
Speaker 2: Those are the two I's gonna swing four or five games.
Speaker 2: Look how I mean so far? Good call?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nostrodams esque.
Speaker 2: What do you guys do if if it's me, I
Speaker 2: am starting both of them? They you can know.
Speaker 3: You can't say you can't they're not good enough to play?
Speaker 2: Are starting who? Because you we both know they're gonna start.
Speaker 2: The only change self is making in the Orlando game
Speaker 2: starting lineup is he's gonna take out AJ Store and
Speaker 2: start David Koy. That is the only change he's making.
Speaker 3: I think that's the only thing you can do that
Speaker 3: would be so stupid. I would start Ryland Griff. I
Speaker 3: would start Ryland Griffin because I do think Ryland Griffin
Speaker 3: has something in the tank. But otherwise I don't guys
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 2: I I would start four WHILET and I don't really
Speaker 2: care who that is. I I'm gonna ride or die
Speaker 2: with Store, and I understand that looks terrible, but I
Speaker 2: don't think this team can get anywhere without him, so
Speaker 2: I'm at least going to try him. I have more
Speaker 2: confidence in him turning into something than I do of this.
Speaker 2: This micro waved some of parts working without him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was brought to Kansas for a reason.
Speaker 1: He was a really good player at Wisconsin. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if he fits in the lineup well. But
Speaker 1: it's also hard to fit in the lineup well when well,
Speaker 1: none of the line doesn't really fit well together.
Speaker 2: When your bench. Yeah yeah, let let let him play.
Speaker 2: Let him play more than kja.
Speaker 3: Aj stoes kJ Adams. But he can shoot thirty percent from.
Speaker 1: Three actually take honestly, that's an incredible take.
Speaker 2: That's not fair to kJ. kJ is better than AJ
Speaker 2: Store right now, like, come on, had a bad yes, yes,
Speaker 2: right now, Yes, I don't think Kansas can go very
Speaker 2: far if that stays true, but right now that is yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but look at what Aj Store did it Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: He can he can play.
Speaker 2: He's a good plain j kJ scored had thirty stat Kansas.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm telling you he can. I know,
Speaker 1: but that's that's him playing like thirty plus minutes a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I no doubt on that. AJ needs
Speaker 2: to play more than kJ if Kansas wants to get
Speaker 2: to where they want to go, and maybe that way,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not possible. Maybe both outcomes lead to not
Speaker 2: going where they want to go. But we've seen what
Speaker 2: it looks like with kJ, show me what it looks
Speaker 2: like with AJ. Something we've als seen is the refs. Hmm,
Speaker 2: you suck ass refs there. I say, blanded on that one.
Speaker 2: I just put the refs in there. On one hand,
Speaker 2: you could point out how Kansas shot twenty one free
Speaker 2: throws to West Virginia six, then cert meme cam always
Speaker 2: ends up Bob Huggins pulling up his pants and yelling
Speaker 2: at the refs. On the other, you could point out
Speaker 2: the three massive calls in the final two minutes all
Speaker 2: went the way of West Virginia. Doug quote bitch ass
Speaker 2: sermons calling an atrocious over and back call against Zeke Mayo,
Speaker 2: which which was a direct four point swing Hey, look
Speaker 2: at me. I have a whistle and I'm here to
Speaker 2: use it. Call by one of the greatest at that
Speaker 2: and then Florie Badounga being whistled for Javon Small jumping
Speaker 2: into him with two seconds left. I can't believe they
Speaker 2: called that. By the way, I cannot. I'm not here
Speaker 2: to tell you it was a horrible call. It was
Speaker 2: probably a foul, but they never call that.
Speaker 1: I'd like to point out that our group chat picture
Speaker 1: is Bob Huggins trying to hold up his pants at
Speaker 1: allen Field House and failing. Yeah, that's an iconic picture
Speaker 1: hanging in the loover well.
Speaker 2: And then you had all of the and then you
Speaker 2: had all of the the kJ Adams last play stuff,
Speaker 2: which I'm fine with that not being called anything. Uh,
Speaker 2: But I then I think, I don't think you can
Speaker 2: call the Javon Small play and not call anything there
Speaker 2: if you're if you're gritting your teeth into we are
Speaker 2: here to call fowls. Regardless of what that clock says.
Speaker 2: I think he gotta call kJ getting mobbed on that
Speaker 2: pet Cross Court pass. You imagine it gets called in
Speaker 2: kJ misses both free throws. What Twitter looks like.
Speaker 1: I would not want to see that. I would feel
Speaker 1: so bad for the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: He probably wasn't on for two honestly, and then Kansas
Speaker 1: is losing overtime.
Speaker 2: And then there wasn't a white guy of the game.
Speaker 2: But we may as well give on to former day
Speaker 2: Hawks Joe Yessefu who went two for two from three,
Speaker 2: because of course he did. Uh do you guys know
Speaker 2: out of the sixty nine games he played at Kansas,
Speaker 2: how many times do you think Joe YESAF he went
Speaker 2: two for two from three?
Speaker 3: Nice as zero?
Speaker 1: I'm assuming zero that is correct.
Speaker 2: He didn't do that at all at Kansas, but he
Speaker 2: did make that really really long end of shot clock
Speaker 2: three against Arkansas when we thought the fighting norm Roberts
Speaker 2: were getting that win. That's the only Joe YESAF players.
Speaker 1: That was insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah you remember that, Okay, that was like Trey Burke
Speaker 2: distance name three plays Joe Yesifo made for Kansas.
Speaker 1: Go that.
Speaker 2: Speaking of transfers, that didn't work, we didn't. We left
Speaker 2: him out of our transfers list earlier. There was another one, guys,
Speaker 2: he played on Harrison playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a point where Bill self said something
Speaker 1: where he was like Joe yes, if he's really been
Speaker 1: rounding a corner in he's gonna surprise the people. And
Speaker 1: then he came out of the next game and shot
Speaker 1: like one for ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of fact check me on that, but.
Speaker 2: I remember a lot of miss threes and he didn't
Speaker 2: miss any in this game. Other players that aren't worth
Speaker 2: talking about too much, Dwan Harris had eleven points and
Speaker 2: seven assists in thirty eight minutes. Hilariously, Bill self said
Speaker 2: with the brilliant any pregame interview that I listened to
Speaker 2: that Dwan Harris needs to be a twenty eight minutes
Speaker 2: a game guy instead of thirty five plus. So of
Speaker 2: course he immediately throws him out there for thirty eight
Speaker 2: of them. Harris played well down the stretch, but he
Speaker 2: missed a lot of layups that contributed to the whole
Speaker 2: being dug as deep as it was her usual. When
Speaker 2: Kansas plays well, Harris is normally playing well. Whenever they're not,
Speaker 2: he's not. David Quite didn't score in seventeen minutes, but
Speaker 2: did lead the team in plus minus with plus fourteen.
Speaker 2: That's unusual to have a guy be plus fourteen to
Speaker 2: not score. Ricky's Passmore and Shack Moore played two minutes each.
Speaker 2: They did nothing. That's you, that's your team. And Darren
Speaker 2: Peterson was in the house. He got a big ovation.
Speaker 2: I think that they should give Darren Peterson Zach Clemens's jersey,
Speaker 2: start him next game and just see if anyone notices.
Speaker 3: I would try.
Speaker 1: They share a lot of Yeah, they share a lot
Speaker 1: of similar physical attributes.
Speaker 2: Peterson's gonna be a lot of fun. Kansas fans are
Speaker 2: finally gonna get a guard that can score just in
Speaker 2: time for the twenty and ten centert to go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I have no comment.
Speaker 3: Final numbers Kansas thirty nine percent got final Oh okay,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're exciting. I'm gonna back off.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Thirty nine percent from the floor, twenty five percent from three.
Speaker 2: That number gets worse if you take out Ze Mayo
Speaker 2: ninety one percent of the line. They were great there.
Speaker 2: Uh they were plus one on the glass, which is
Speaker 2: impressive because it was a horrible first half. Uh, and
Speaker 2: they only turned it over eight times, Like that should
Speaker 2: be a win if you look at this, it wasn't
Speaker 2: because uh, well, and they were only minus two and
Speaker 2: the three pointers made it felt like worse. Yeah, West
Speaker 2: Virginia try to give them that one, and uh it didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't work out. What are my thoughts? I thought
Speaker 2: the game was total soundboard needs to there. That's where
Speaker 2: I thought the game was.
Speaker 3: I concur I agree, Yeah, how.
Speaker 2: Many Big twelve games win?
Speaker 3: Yeah, less than twelve. If they get to thirteen, that's
Speaker 3: a minor like that. That'd be the high end of this.
Speaker 2: I think, wow, I know what, there's one with fifteen.
Speaker 2: Come on, Bill, don't let me down.
Speaker 3: Ryan. They are not winning fifteen Big twelve games.
Speaker 1: There's just like, there's two ways this can go, all right.
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of time to think about this
Speaker 1: in my thoughts, there's two ways this. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's scary. There's two ways this can go. Number One,
Speaker 1: Kansas continues to play the Big three of misfit toys
Speaker 1: and they can't score and they go about five hundred.
Speaker 1: Or they can turn it around and they win between
Speaker 1: thirteen in fourteen Big twelve games, and we say, you
Speaker 1: know what, that wasn't that bad. But yeah, they lost
Speaker 1: the league because they lost to a terrible West Virginia team.
Speaker 2: I just can't get behind Hunter Dickinson and his second
Speaker 2: Team All America status being in the trio of a
Speaker 2: point guard that cannot shoot or score ten points a
Speaker 2: game and a six foot six four man that can't
Speaker 2: rebound or shoot. Like, I know, Hunter is not a
Speaker 2: perfect player, and I defend him too much, but like
Speaker 2: I cannot put a guy that averages eighteen to eleven
Speaker 2: at Kansas in the misfit category. It's really just the
Speaker 2: two guys. He's not figure out.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm saying. He's not the problem,
Speaker 1: but there's clear problems that everyone except for Stevie Wonder
Speaker 1: aka Bill Self sees and that's where we're at, all right.
Speaker 2: Well, whenever we talk about the rest of the teams
Speaker 2: in this league, maybe we'll feel a little better. Let's give
Speaker 2: it a shot by big twelve games, Landon, you said
Speaker 2: just a minute ago. I believe that you're so excited,
Speaker 2: and you missed this segment substantially over the last half year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing makes me quite as joyful as reading a
Speaker 3: bunch of mediocre teams scoring sixty two points against each other.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what's this first game? We need to
Speaker 2: talk about how Bill self might be able to learn
Speaker 2: something from his cross state counterpart because Kansas State seventy
Speaker 2: number sixteen Cincinnati sixty seven, leaving us all saying, Ima
Speaker 2: bitchesches could then assist from God, who told Jerome Tang
Speaker 2: to start Doug McDaniel. I'm sorry, I need to play
Speaker 2: the sandstorm here. You know we have to rock out.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not even on the sunde. There you go
Speaker 2: one second, let me just look that up. There we go.
Speaker 2: God will be assist Jerome Tang. He told him to
Speaker 2: start Doug McDaniel just hours before this game tipped off,
Speaker 2: per Jerome Tang. Be nice if God could tell Bill
Speaker 2: self not to start kJ Adams. Kansas State got twenty
Speaker 2: and ten.
Speaker 3: Peck gave God to tell him that it's quite evident
Speaker 3: by his eyeballs.
Speaker 2: And they got another seventeen for McDaniel. Kansas State upsets
Speaker 2: the Bearcats at bram Ledge. They've won three straight Big
Speaker 2: twelve openers for the first time in the history of
Speaker 2: this conference. Is since Kansas currently Yeah, is Cincinnati a
Speaker 2: fraud much like currently might be? I think that they're No.
Speaker 2: I think Big twelve road games are just hard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't call them that after one game. Right after
Speaker 2: I call Kansas that after one game Kansas at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: It'll go great. It'll go great, I promise. Number fourteen
Speaker 2: Houston sixty Oklahoma State forty seven Landon Houston is still
Speaker 2: the same team.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: With disgusting but really really good and effective defense, Houston
Speaker 3: gets a win here. They held the Cowboys touff fourteen baskets,
Speaker 3: which matched their fourteen turnovers. So I know. That's my
Speaker 3: favorite motif in reading the twelve games is when the
Speaker 3: team has near less or as many baskets as turnovers.
Speaker 3: That's that's what keeps me alive.
Speaker 2: In that game, Alma State had fourteen baskets. We all
Speaker 2: admit that's total. Right, that's horrible, Yes, very bad. That
Speaker 2: is five count them, five fewer baskets than bill Seals
Speaker 2: Jayhawks did at home the other day.
Speaker 3: Really gross. Twenty points from Juwan Roberts for the Cougar
Speaker 3: is another eighteen from LJ. Crier. Houston very well could
Speaker 3: be seven and oh when they head into Allen Field
Speaker 3: House in three weeks as their next six games are
Speaker 3: b y U TCU the Fortress of Solitude that is
Speaker 3: Brambwich Colsum to play Kay State West Virginia don't count
Speaker 3: wins against West Virginia or at UCF in Orlando and
Speaker 3: then Utah who no one, no one may lose to
Speaker 3: Utah this year they are seven and oh coming into Allenville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're calling that. Maybe there's a I mean
Speaker 2: it's only two road games, like like alright, no, they'll
Speaker 2: be they'll be six and one whenever they come into
Speaker 2: Kansas and they'll lose to Kansas and then they'll beat
Speaker 2: Kansas by forty at home. That's that's where we're at.
Speaker 1: Seems like a likely Yeah, pretty much checks out.
Speaker 2: Arizona ninety t see you eighty one actually a decent
Speaker 2: big twelve game from an offensive perspective.
Speaker 1: Cam Yeah, uh, the Wildcats got good Caleb Love in
Speaker 1: this game. Some good Caleb Love and as he erupted
Speaker 1: for thirty three point seven rebounds and seven assists, Arizona
Speaker 1: by twenty six twos and seven three. Something that will
Speaker 1: warn Bill Bill Sooff's heart and race shot. Oh you
Speaker 1: wrote that down, didn't you? Yeah? I didn't read that fast.
Speaker 3: Look an me go.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought I'd be illiterate? Ernest Ude had
Speaker 1: ten and fourteen for the horn Frogs, who appear prime
Speaker 1: for another eight and ten season. Shout out to Jamie
Speaker 1: Dixon and his skunk hair.
Speaker 2: Jamie Dixon's just stealing checks at this point, like, we
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta launch an investigation now this man's still
Speaker 2: employed because they are just so underwhelming. Also, I may
Speaker 2: have oversheit Welfare merging land and they don't feel eight
Speaker 2: and ten. This TCU team feels like six and fourteen.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's probably true. I think this team is
Speaker 3: decently worse than most Jamie Dixon Horny Frog teams. Seems
Speaker 3: that way anyway.
Speaker 2: Number three Iowa State seventy nine, Colorado sixty nine. Hey,
Speaker 2: hey money, Iowa State did what they do best, forest turnovers,
Speaker 2: and at a high rate. Colorado committed nineteen times nineteen
Speaker 2: turnovers and Iowa State got twenty bench points from Curtis Jones.
Speaker 2: By the way, Kansas twenty bench points in the last
Speaker 2: three presidential administration's worth of games. I believe Joshua Jefferson
Speaker 2: had a wild stat line thirteen points, seven rebounds and
Speaker 2: eight count them eight steals. Hello, that's a lot of steals.
Speaker 2: How many do you think you'll have against Kansas twenty four?
Speaker 3: More than three?
Speaker 2: Gosh, Landon's short red here number two because these games
Speaker 2: are going for frickin ever, number twenty five, Baylor eighty one.
Speaker 2: No one's beating Utah this year, fifty six.
Speaker 3: No one's losing.
Speaker 2: No one's losing to Utah this year. No one's you
Speaker 2: losing to Uta. Utah over under two and a half
Speaker 2: conference wins for Utah.
Speaker 3: I'll go over two and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, over for sure. They're gonna snatch three.
Speaker 2: I know one team they might get out home.
Speaker 3: Dam it wasn't bad.
Speaker 1: If Kansas loses. If Kansas loses a statement, I will
Speaker 1: get castrated. I will get castrated inside of a Denny's.
Speaker 3: What would you have to do to convince Denny's to
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Nothing, And it's just an Almos Chicago thing. Dude.
Speaker 2: That's so.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, that's on me. That's on me. I should
Speaker 3: have done better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Any Way, back to the show nineteen for VJ. Edgecomb
Speaker 3: and the Bears, fifteen and fourteen for nord Chad ohmi
Speaker 3: a uh and this one exactly how we thought it would.
Speaker 3: We all answered, will youu Tah finished last in the
Speaker 3: Big twelve? I think we all would probably say yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of games that all went exactly how
Speaker 2: we expected it would. Does anybody have the Kansas West
Speaker 2: Virginia score anywhere? Anybody, anybody at all?
Speaker 1: Never happened. Allegedly, Solvio de Soosa played, Yes, didn't go.
Speaker 2: This game didn't go how anybody thought it would though.
Speaker 2: UCF eighty seven, Texas Tech eighty three. Oh boy, Cam,
Speaker 2: looks like UCF's a total dorm att in an easy
Speaker 2: win for our Jayhawks on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one thing I know. It's trust Billsoff. On
Speaker 1: the road, fourteen point underdog, UCF went int lubbag and
Speaker 1: shot fifty two percent against a typically stingy defense, making
Speaker 1: ten threes and building an eighteen point lead against the
Speaker 1: Red Raiders before holding on late. Mark Adams was not
Speaker 1: there to talk about serving your master. Twenty four points
Speaker 1: for Darius Johnson. What's your prediction for the line for
Speaker 1: ku UCF. I'm gonna say Kansas minus six and a half.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, you think it's that high because this is
Speaker 2: me running to my local casino to pound the UCF
Speaker 2: b read.
Speaker 1: Actually, no, it's gonna be I guarantee you it's like
Speaker 1: four and a half, four and a half, three and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was gonna say the first number I thought
Speaker 2: was maybe three, Like that's I think that. I think
Speaker 2: that they are gonna win. But I'm not touching anything
Speaker 2: that's got KU as a road favorite. That's painful. YU
Speaker 2: seventy six Arizona State fifty six. Not the best start
Speaker 2: for land In surprise sleeper team in the Big twelve,
Speaker 2: as they shot just thirty seven percent and they only
Speaker 2: made six of their twenty nine threes. A white guy
Speaker 2: named Richie Saunders. There's a picture of Richie Saunders in
Speaker 2: the notes. Uh he's thirty eight years old and has
Speaker 2: four children. As what I wrote, and then Cam adds,
Speaker 2: this guy definitely isn't banned from your local elementary school
Speaker 2: or Chuck E Cheese because Richie Saunders looks like a
Speaker 2: midlife crisis having suburban data four and you cannot tell
Speaker 2: me otherwise. But he made six threes in route to
Speaker 2: thirty points for BYU. Provo is on the docket for
Speaker 2: Kansas this year. I predict it goes.
Speaker 3: Bad Ooh same, I think that's a loss. I'll call
Speaker 3: it from here.
Speaker 1: That guy looks like he drives like a Chrysler minivan
Speaker 1: with candy on the back of it and then just
Speaker 1: opens the door and just screams out to children.
Speaker 2: He looks like everybody that's ever gone to BYU and uh, well,
Speaker 2: yeah right, that's sad. Big twelve standings, Wow, is this exciting?
Speaker 2: Kansas State BYU, Houston, Iowa State, Baylor, West Virginia, UCF
Speaker 2: in Arizona, we got an eight way tie for first.
Speaker 2: They're all one to know.
Speaker 3: And believe it or not, there's an eight way tie
Speaker 3: for second KU, Arizona State, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah, Sincina
Speaker 3: takes a tack a TCU are all in one.
Speaker 2: Some would say that's tip to nine, not second, but
Speaker 2: that kind of wow.
Speaker 3: Whatever, whatever the difference is.
Speaker 2: Minimum other games, there's not many other games to talk
Speaker 2: about today. The Big East looks like it'll be a
Speaker 2: two team races. Number eight. Marquette obliterated Providence on the
Speaker 2: road at number eleven. You did naughty things to De
Speaker 2: Paul in Chicago. Cam, you're in Chicago and you're pretty
Speaker 2: good at basketball. Do you think you could help them out?
Speaker 2: Can somebody help De Paul? No?
Speaker 1: But hilariously, my girlfriend's mob gave me a DePaul basketball
Speaker 1: share for Christmas because it didn't fit her son, and
Speaker 1: I washed it once and it's already too small and
Speaker 1: I don't think I will ever wear it.
Speaker 2: Can't believe that she wouldn't want to hang on to
Speaker 2: an item liking to paul basketball shirt. Those things have
Speaker 2: got to be worth a lot these days. Both Yukon
Speaker 2: and Marquette are three to zero conference play. They're both
Speaker 2: quite good. Creighton did get a last second win to
Speaker 2: beat Saint John's. I also know somebody else they beat
Speaker 2: this year, But injuries figure to keep Creighton out of
Speaker 2: the conference race because they don't have creepy ass pop
Speaker 2: isaacs and is thirty points against Bill self there for
Speaker 2: the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: Over in the acccene, Duke blew out Virginia second Cameron.
Speaker 3: They are three to zero ACC play, their heavy favorites
Speaker 3: to win the league. They are tied to top the
Speaker 3: league with SMU Who. Ryan and Cam learned we're in
Speaker 3: the ACE say this week we did?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm top pay attention to sports?
Speaker 1: Who all that? Ryan? Yeah, I actually learned that a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I was watching a game and
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, why are they in the ACC
Speaker 1: title game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Oh, yeah. I saw that they were
Speaker 2: playing a game this weekend. I was like, that's a
Speaker 2: cool non conference game this late in the year. And no,
Speaker 2: it is definitely not a non conference game.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah, and then three Big ten teams open
Speaker 1: up two and oh, my personal favorite, tom Izzo, Michigan
Speaker 1: State fifteen, UCLA and my other team that I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate but really don't because Trey Burke is a thing, Michigan.
Speaker 1: There are approximately forty five teams in this league, probably
Speaker 1: none of them are that good, and they all played
Speaker 1: a snails pace minus Michigan. Speaking of a snails pace,
Speaker 1: here's a crazy fact of the week. Are you guys
Speaker 1: aware that there was a great molasses flood in nineteen
Speaker 1: nineteen in the North End of Boston, Massachusetts, where a
Speaker 1: tower of molasses spilled open. Hot molasses flooded the streets,
Speaker 1: killed a lot of people and injuring one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty killed twenty one people.
Speaker 2: Actually, wow, really twenty one people? Like did they drown?
Speaker 1: Or how does that?
Speaker 2: How deep was he you?
Speaker 1: It's not that it's deep. You have to think, like,
Speaker 1: so it was thirteen thousand short tons of molasses. That's
Speaker 1: a lot, and then it was hot molasses, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't like it was cold. It was hot, like boiling
Speaker 1: hot molasses. And I can imagine that wouldn't be fun. Wow,
Speaker 1: that educational segment of itp.
Speaker 2: It sounds awesome at first, as somebody who I don't
Speaker 2: even this is a true fact about me, It's gonna
Speaker 2: blow your minds. I promise I have witnesses here. Whenever
Speaker 2: something sits in the oven at three hundred and fifty degrees,
Speaker 2: I do not need oven myts to pull it out
Speaker 2: of the oven. I can just reach in and grite
Speaker 2: and put it on the stove because my hands are always.
Speaker 1: Why would you even try that?
Speaker 2: Because it's a good way to warm up your hands.
Speaker 2: And I'm perfectly fine, Like, really that's a thing. So
Speaker 2: I think that sounds kind of awesome. Okay, but you know,
Speaker 2: don't you don't don't.
Speaker 1: I don't quote me on the temperature of it. What
Speaker 1: I will say, and I can quote this part. Molasses
Speaker 1: was waist deep and cover the street and a lot
Speaker 1: of people died. So never underestimate molasses. That's your insightful
Speaker 1: educational portion of the show.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure there's some in the cabinet I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: at it every time and be like, oh wow, that
Speaker 2: killed that killed twenty one people in Boston back in
Speaker 2: the day. But they were in Boston, so were they
Speaker 2: bad people? That is what people want to know.
Speaker 1: This was before Tom Brady, Okay.
Speaker 2: So they were probably alright. And that's I'm looking. I
Speaker 2: was looking to see. I was looking to see if
Speaker 2: any top twenty five teams lost today, and number nineteen
Speaker 2: Gonzaga is beating Portland thirty two to eight right now.
Speaker 2: Like you want to talk about a league that maybe
Speaker 2: Kansas could win, gosh awful one to Kansas to lose
Speaker 2: a road game in the WCC, are you counting in Zaga?
Speaker 2: Do they have to play in Spokane?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Other than no, they would not. They would eat that
Speaker 2: feel like they would. There are thirty teams in college
Speaker 2: basketball that would run the table in that league.
Speaker 1: Fair.
Speaker 2: But number seven Kansas does not play in that league.
Speaker 2: So they are on this ranked teams to lose since
Speaker 2: the last show. It doesn't say that. It actually says
Speaker 2: number seven they lost to West Virginia.
Speaker 3: Doesn't quite say that either, but.
Speaker 1: Says a lot more.
Speaker 3: It's Bill Seth's stubborn sixteen. They lost to Jerome Tang.
Speaker 3: Perhaps they lost to God and they definitely lost to
Speaker 3: Doug McDaniel in case state.
Speaker 1: God also told Jerome Tang. God also told Jerome Tang
Speaker 1: that Coleman Hawkins was worth it. So you know, well,
Speaker 1: he works in mysterious ways.
Speaker 2: He did play, He did have twenty and ten in
Speaker 2: this game. He was quite good. All right, now, let
Speaker 2: me blow the airhorn here. All right, let's look at
Speaker 2: these ask CBS. I'm sure these can't be Oh my god,
Speaker 2: oh my humans that asked those questions this week. I mean,
Speaker 2: I knew it would be bad, but I didn't think
Speaker 2: it'd be this ridiculous. This is gonna be and this
Speaker 2: is gonna be a burner.
Speaker 1: Start off.
Speaker 2: Let's start off with a safe question at Ryan unders
Speaker 2: Scoorlandras who was the best basketball player in the history
Speaker 2: of the NBA.
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: No, that's notice I say Michael Jordan as well.
Speaker 2: That's no, that's just not correct. Michael Jordan.
Speaker 3: Lebron has more longevity, and Michael Jordan was better than
Speaker 3: him at his peak.
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan got the play against post workers and mailman
Speaker 2: at his uh in the NBA Finals back in the day, Sir,
Speaker 2: Lebron James plays against guys with the last guy on
Speaker 2: the bench was a forty college three point shooter.
Speaker 3: H I think you are deeply undermining the NBA in
Speaker 3: the nineties.
Speaker 1: Maybe. Yeah, Michael Jordan he got the crap being out
Speaker 1: of by like the Pistons. He didn't have I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that easy.
Speaker 2: Well oh, I'm not saying it was easy, but Lebron
Speaker 2: James has had to deal with the freaking Warriors like you.
Speaker 2: You think Jordan would have six rings if he got
Speaker 2: to play Steph Curry and Clay Thompson in the finals
Speaker 2: a bunch of times.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he had to play Charles Charles Barkley is
Speaker 3: one of the best players to ever never win a title.
Speaker 2: Steph Curry is better than Charles Barkley.
Speaker 3: I agree, but I also like John Stockton and alone
Speaker 3: those guys ripped.
Speaker 2: It is possible. Yeah, the Celtics because they did play
Speaker 2: in such different eras. Jordan was the toughest. Jordan was
Speaker 2: the most clutch. But but Jordan.
Speaker 3: He points a game for like the majority of his career.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he was a certifing psycho path too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he was he's he's a freak. I'm
Speaker 2: curious to see what rock Chalk Twitter would think of that.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll maybe I'll post that.
Speaker 1: As a question.
Speaker 2: All right, this this, We're gonna go all over the
Speaker 2: place here. Let me see if I can get let
Speaker 2: me see if I can group these. Let's start with
Speaker 2: kJ Adams. Here's a whole whole bunch of them at
Speaker 2: Travius ninety nine. Should head coach Bill Soff just say
Speaker 2: F loyalty? And uh okay, well, hold on one second.
Speaker 2: Let's let's address this. Let's address the Travius ninety nine question,
Speaker 2: because there's a little bit of grown at rock Chalk
Speaker 2: Blog about how rock chok Blog has helped turn people
Speaker 2: against kJ Adams, that says Bill self should just say
Speaker 2: F loyalty and run an athlete out of town, even
Speaker 2: though they've spent their entire adult lives positively representing the school.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this and just address something and all start.
Speaker 1: We've always said that though I run the.
Speaker 2: Rock Chalk Blog Twitter account, so I'll own this one.
Speaker 2: If there are people that have changed their opinions on
Speaker 2: kJ Adams as a person because of things that rock
Speaker 2: Chalk Blog is tweeted that is the wrong idea and
Speaker 2: that is absolutely not what we're going for. I personally
Speaker 2: don't believe that's true. I don't believe anybody hates kJ
Speaker 2: Adams as a person because of what Rock Chuck Blog
Speaker 2: has said about his basketball ability. But no, kJ Adams
Speaker 2: is represented the school great and Bill self should absolutely
Speaker 2: not run the man out of town. Reevaluating how much
Speaker 2: he should be playing with certain lineups is very different
Speaker 2: than saying piss off, kJ, I don't want you on
Speaker 2: my basketball team. That's not what any of us have
Speaker 2: ever claimed to say.
Speaker 3: Although I would like to come clean as true as
Speaker 3: that is from Ryan, I would like to come clean
Speaker 3: and say that I have been paid by George Soros
Speaker 3: and Saudi oil conglomerates through the agenda against kJ Adams
Speaker 3: in the Kansas basketball community. This is Sarcastle.
Speaker 1: kJ Adams is a Russian asset. I'm just kidding. I
Speaker 1: like kJ Adams. I always have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's never been about that. Like people need
Speaker 1: to relax. We're we're idiots that have microphones and a
Speaker 1: computer and a wife and a Wi Fi connection, and
Speaker 1: like that's that's all it is. You know.
Speaker 2: So let's get all the lineup questions out here. Let's
Speaker 2: start with Hunter Dickinson. At Coach Underscore Chef says, what
Speaker 2: is it about Hunter's offense that makes both you and
Speaker 2: coach South blind his defensive effort or miss bunnies or
Speaker 2: the guaranteed one of two Hunt free throws? Oh, I know,
Speaker 2: it's gotta be the lazy Pixie says, all right, So
Speaker 2: there's a Hunter question, and then there's amazing question from
Speaker 2: at dick Underscore taser that I read whenever I was
Speaker 2: at a furniture store and I busted out laughing. He says, Bryan,
Speaker 2: you are not allowed to answer this, Cam and Landon.
Speaker 2: Did Ryan appropriately call out Hunter for getting totally clowned
Speaker 2: by third string Cuban League catcher edwardio Andre or did
Speaker 2: he blindly swing from Hunter Dickinson's coin perst per usual.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Oh Wayne, you're great, that's fair.
Speaker 2: You guys can answer that.
Speaker 1: Then there's also I was never addressed.
Speaker 2: There's also at Coach Underscore chef, why does Hunter get
Speaker 2: to be atrocious on defense for two years and get
Speaker 2: to play freely, but Store and Griffin can't be bad
Speaker 2: for two minutes without getting yanked. All right, then there's
Speaker 2: that Daz conscience that says, how soon can we move
Speaker 2: on from Harris Adams and the empty calorie stat line
Speaker 2: notes of one Hunter Dickinson. And he's a big or
Speaker 2: smaller less effective Ddrich Lawson Four questions about Hunter dick Dickenson.
Speaker 2: You guys, go for it.
Speaker 3: Uh, he is a bigger, smaller, less effective dejer Clawson.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm glad the world's finally ready for that take. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're also right on.
Speaker 2: There also, So Ddrick Glasson was really good.
Speaker 3: Deegri Glawson was amazing. Yeah, he is a Hunter Dickinson,
Speaker 3: despite being terrible on defense, is a much better score
Speaker 3: than either Ryland Griffin or aj Store, which is why
Speaker 3: he plays. Those are my takes on those two questions.
Speaker 2: Cam, your thoughts on Hunter Dickinson. You've been on both
Speaker 2: ends of the spectrum a little bit with this, and
Speaker 2: I think have recently seen the value that he has
Speaker 2: provided in wake of the team not playing as well.
Speaker 2: I definitely never intend to sound like I'm swinging from
Speaker 2: Hunter Dickenson's coin per sas Wayne Kerr says, I see
Speaker 2: a guy that's averaged eighteen and eleven. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's the best basketball player ever. I just think
Speaker 2: there are a lot more guys, a lot more things
Speaker 2: that you could blame the team struggling on than the
Speaker 2: guy that's going out and getting you stats. And the
Speaker 2: people who claim that he's just collecting empty staff. Well,
Speaker 2: I think the team is worse if the team doesn't
Speaker 2: have those stats to begin with. I think Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: has won them plenty of games. He hasn't played well
Speaker 2: in their losses, but he's also won them a handful
Speaker 2: of games in his career as well. They would be
Speaker 2: much worse without him. They don't make the tournament last
Speaker 2: year without him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's more or less. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of the old who is who's the player?
Speaker 1: And it's it's crazy. I can't remember this. It was
Speaker 1: Iowa State. It was when Perry Ellis had some great
Speaker 1: duels with the Iowa State George Yang. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You can't replace what he's doing on offense with You
Speaker 1: can't take him off because he's giving up some buckets.
Speaker 1: He's this team sucks without Hunter Dickinson. I'm sorry, who's
Speaker 1: gonna play in his place Freshman Flory.
Speaker 2: It's basketball. It's basketball, Lebron James gives up buckets all
Speaker 2: the time. You're not gonna score twenty and give up Yeah,
Speaker 2: not how it works. The other team's trying to make shots.
Speaker 1: The positives outweigh the negatives. In my opinion, he's a
Speaker 1: very good basketball player. Obviously, he's not perfect. He was
Speaker 1: not made in the lab. He's seven foot two, he's big,
Speaker 1: he's not fast. He's gonna give up some buckets. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think a lot of it's
Speaker 1: not his fault. He's playing in a game where he's
Speaker 1: crowded to the paint, which is what we talked about
Speaker 1: last year, and he's just gonna be you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: he won't look amazing and he's still gonna get you points.
Speaker 1: Like what else do you want?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Land in your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to like really disagree with anything guys
Speaker 3: are saying. Like I said, I think he's extremely necessary
Speaker 3: for the team's floor. I think without him, like if
Speaker 3: you just removed him from the team cold, this team
Speaker 3: is a nightmare. This team is not good. Yes, at
Speaker 3: the same time, I do think he struggles enough at
Speaker 3: certain things, and like I even was saying this last
Speaker 3: year a lot that I don't think he has like
Speaker 3: the offensive killer instinct or offensive killer ability. Again, not
Speaker 3: that he's never done it, but he doesn't have Like
Speaker 3: that's just not a regular part of his game, I feel,
Speaker 3: and I think that does hurt the team at times.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why they need a guy like
Speaker 3: Ezeke Meyo to be on the team, because that's a
Speaker 3: guy that absolutely does have that killer ability and that
Speaker 3: killer instinct. He's a flawed player, but you have to
Speaker 3: have him. You do have to have him.
Speaker 1: Can I give my Like I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: can I get my take on Hunter Dickinson. My actual
Speaker 1: take is this, I think people don't appreciate what he
Speaker 1: does because his style of play is not flashy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I just don't think they just don't realize
Speaker 1: how much he actually does in the scope of a game,
Speaker 1: like how much attention he draws. He makes hook shots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna make every single hook shot, but it's
Speaker 1: just not flashy. That's that's my whole take.
Speaker 2: Well, and people didn't really good because Dedrick Glawson wasn't
Speaker 2: on a very good team despite the fact that he
Speaker 2: was an excellent player. Didrick Glasson, Hunter Dickinson and Perry
Speaker 2: Ellis are all very similar players, but people have much
Speaker 2: fonder memories of Perry because the team was better. Perry
Speaker 2: get to play with Frank Mason and Devonte Graham. Hunter
Speaker 2: Dickinson has not been on a team that has supported
Speaker 2: his strengths. They have not made him better. He does
Speaker 2: not have shot creators around him, which would really free
Speaker 2: up the space he needs to work, and we get
Speaker 2: extended stretches of Hunter Dickinson dominating one on one matchups
Speaker 2: whenever you do have the floor space a little better,
Speaker 2: like in that North Carolina State run. We have seen
Speaker 2: him just completely dominate basketball teams good basketball teams for
Speaker 2: extended stretches, like what he did to Oklahoma last year,
Speaker 2: what he did a TCU last year, what he did
Speaker 2: to Kentucky last year. Whenever other guys are making shots,
Speaker 2: he's the least of your problems. He does give up
Speaker 2: a lot of buckets, but he gets a lot of buckets,
Speaker 2: and that's how sports works. He's a net positive, and
Speaker 2: the grass isn't always greener if he's not your favorite
Speaker 2: style of player. No one's going to put you in
Speaker 2: jail for saying that, because they haven't won very much
Speaker 2: with him. But I think that that's in spite of
Speaker 2: Hunter Dickinson, not because of him. We'll see. Time will
Speaker 2: tell if Ryland, Griffin and aj Storrees start hitting more shots.
Speaker 2: I think people are gonna fall off of Hunter's case
Speaker 2: quickly because he's going to quietly put up his twenty
Speaker 2: and twelve. We'll see. We'll see if we get three.
Speaker 2: But now there are much bigger problems with this team
Speaker 2: than Hunter at show me Hawk. Has anyone seen the
Speaker 2: bro Ad with Nick Saban? I wonder what it would
Speaker 2: be like to vacation at Bill Tell's house.
Speaker 1: Uhi, man, I have so many ways I want to
Speaker 1: take this.
Speaker 2: I know, don't touch the pictures of kJ just leave
Speaker 2: them on the mantle on the fireplace.
Speaker 1: Frank Mason would cook breakfast. Yeah, be kind of weird,
Speaker 1: like be.
Speaker 2: Fine, like it didn't do anything.
Speaker 3: Are we imagining a like Heisman House esque situation here?
Speaker 3: But it's just Bill's favorite players over the years.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's like a Love Island type point Sharon, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Jamari comes from the he walks out of the Master's
Speaker 1: bedroom like master bedroom, wearing like a bathrobe. And then
Speaker 1: Bill's just like happy. And then Frank Mason's cooking breakfast.
Speaker 1: You got Sharon Collins laying on the couch. Remy Martin's
Speaker 1: locked in a cage. AJ stores in the basement. He
Speaker 1: gets like one meal a day.
Speaker 2: He gets a piece of straw dry bread. Yeah, Jamari
Speaker 2: Trailor gets Bill's Platinum Express credit card to buy whatever
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: Bill self is confused that Ronny Orton isn't actually a
Speaker 3: bird despite his bird noises.
Speaker 2: Let's see what else we've got here. I need your thoughts,
Speaker 2: says at Preston Skirsik, on self putting kJ in to
Speaker 2: finish the game after having him on the bench by
Speaker 2: a great run. Love selfis Hall of Famer, but I
Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't think it was fair to
Speaker 2: kJ either. That's another good point. kJ is not being
Speaker 2: set up by his coach well at all. That's part
Speaker 2: of the reason fans are infuriated. kJ is not choosing
Speaker 2: himself to go play basketball. He's being told to stay
Speaker 2: out there. Everybody's Matt. Kj's out there so much, but
Speaker 2: he's not choosing to not bench.
Speaker 3: Himself, right and no, Like no reasonable athlete would like,
Speaker 3: especially this level, is gonna be Like, yes, I think
Speaker 3: I actually should come off the or in favor of
Speaker 3: something else.
Speaker 2: I had someone on Twitter. Someone on Twitter said kJ
Speaker 2: should realize that the team's better with him not there,
Speaker 2: and he should tell Bill self that, Like, no, that's
Speaker 2: not how sports work. kJ is not a coach. It's
Speaker 2: Bill Self's job to figure out the right combination and
Speaker 2: to put his guys in a position to succeed, and
Speaker 2: he's not doing that with kJ Adams. Sometimes playing them
Speaker 2: all the time isn't the answer.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this, what do you think
Speaker 1: the best lineup for kJ Adams is on this team?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, probably him at the five.
Speaker 1: Like, honestly, think about it.
Speaker 3: It's playing him at the five in a shooter heavy lineup.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy to think about. But I think
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: Because kJ was good, but also the team that Like,
Speaker 2: there's a reason why that Jalen Wilson team was as
Speaker 2: good as they were, and that's because Jalen Wilson and
Speaker 2: Kevin mccullor to a much lesser extent, but also Kevin
Speaker 2: mccullor were great rebounders and also if you want to
Speaker 2: know who else was on that roster, he was the
Speaker 2: best shooter that Bill self has ever had. That guy
Speaker 2: sure drew a lot of attention from defenses and let
Speaker 2: Wilson and Adams do their thing inside.
Speaker 3: Yep, correct, Grady Dick was a brilliant piece on that
Speaker 3: team too.
Speaker 2: And kJ actually was better last year, quite a bit
Speaker 2: better last year than the year before. He was a
Speaker 2: thirteen and five player last year at the four, like
Speaker 2: he was a solid player while shooting sixty percent from
Speaker 2: the floor. But we knew it was fickle. We knew
Speaker 2: that he was the type of player that his bad
Speaker 2: days were really bad for the team. And he's had
Speaker 2: more bad days than good days this year. Geez. If
Speaker 2: you take out the Furman and the Duke game, which
Speaker 2: the Duke game he wasn't even that statistically impressive. You
Speaker 2: take out the Furman and the Duke game, and kJ
Speaker 2: Adams is having like a terrible season to this point,
Speaker 2: Like he's everything like seven to three if you take
Speaker 2: out Furman, which is really bad for.
Speaker 1: When you expect a guy like that. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: especially a thirty plus minutes game.
Speaker 2: It's a showy Hawk, says feels like they got an
Speaker 2: exit January at six and three and Big twelve player
Speaker 2: better because if they're worse than that, they're cooked. Lannon
Speaker 2: and I talked about that on the last show. I
Speaker 2: actually think they got be seven and two through January
Speaker 2: to have any chance of winning the league, and six
Speaker 2: and three to have any chance of not having a
Speaker 2: disastrous second half. And I think right now six and
Speaker 2: three feels like the man.
Speaker 1: And they still have to play at Iowa State right
Speaker 1: that's coming up in that's not that far away.
Speaker 3: Absolutely annihilate six and three if you could lock that
Speaker 3: in right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's just look. Let's just look at the schedule
Speaker 2: right now. At UCF, win or lose.
Speaker 3: No spoilers, Okay, cam at.
Speaker 1: Uk A hesitantly say when Arizona State at home?
Speaker 2: Do they win either at SINCI or at Iowa State.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think they do. Honestly, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to And if anyone comes and says, you guys want
Speaker 1: them to lose, I don't want them to lose. I
Speaker 1: just haven't seen them win on the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, at Kansas or Kansas State.
Speaker 3: At home, they gotta win that win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at TCU or win win Houston at home.
Speaker 1: I think they win that.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 2: Then U s F at home. So we're gonna give them,
Speaker 2: let's says, give them wins at home, and that would
Speaker 2: give them one, two, three, four wins, so that other
Speaker 2: four and one in conference play and the road games
Speaker 2: at UCF, at Cincinnati, at Iowa State at TCU. Can
Speaker 2: they win two of those four? Yeah, they can. Six
Speaker 2: and three.
Speaker 1: I think six and three might be the right pick. Actually,
Speaker 1: it probably very happy.
Speaker 2: We'll see if they're worse than six and three, we
Speaker 2: got problems. If they get to seven and two. Were thrilled.
Speaker 2: They gotta win at Iowa State or at Cincinnati to
Speaker 2: make up in essence for the West Virginia game.
Speaker 1: Right, good luck, Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 2: And they get it. The most likely thing may be
Speaker 2: just be Cincinnati is not as good as we thought.
Speaker 2: There's a couple more at Preston Skirts. Six says, are
Speaker 2: you still sad? Because I am still sad. Yeah. That
Speaker 2: one's stunk like I was dry around for a while
Speaker 2: after that game and just thinking like, man, maybe it
Speaker 2: was because Brian Haney was talking about Wendy's That's what
Speaker 2: made it stink more.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: No. I had a pretty good night after that, so
Speaker 3: I was fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'm always sad.
Speaker 2: Landon answer only at Drew Watton. Nothing else matters except March.
Speaker 2: Will this team be one of the few who overperform
Speaker 2: come March?
Speaker 3: No, No, they will not.
Speaker 2: At Would you rather finish the season with kJ at
Speaker 2: the four or Carlton Bragg? Oh my gosh, guys, we've
Speaker 2: gone too far now. kJ.
Speaker 1: Is not that I have a picture with Carlton.
Speaker 3: I've seen Carleton Bragg hit a lot more mid range
Speaker 3: jumpers th kJ.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, oh, stop it. Yeah, can you have
Speaker 2: a picture with Carlton Bragg?
Speaker 1: That's I did get one. It's really funny because it
Speaker 1: was before I had a beard, so I looked like
Speaker 1: a Make a Wish child next to a crackhead because
Speaker 1: he was wearing like a beanie hat and he had
Speaker 1: a massive gap in his teeth at the time, and
Speaker 1: I think he still was. He was a nice dude,
Speaker 1: but it looks so funny.
Speaker 2: At n c M D forty four, several years ago,
Speaker 2: college basketball honks would say that Duke was the program
Speaker 2: where big men go to die? Is KU the program
Speaker 2: where Dynamic scored a perimeter players go to die. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like that. At this point was other screen Dick
Speaker 2: named the last one that was really good, that's dramatic
Speaker 2: was Wilson, a perimeter player at his absolute best, though
Speaker 2: he was a drive to the cup guy.
Speaker 3: He's still a perimeter oriented player, though a little bit
Speaker 3: of face up player. Yeah, and that was just two
Speaker 3: seasons ago.
Speaker 2: Like that's a lot has happened since then. At Mayo,
Speaker 2: Zeke Berner says, if kJ Adams gets hurt and practice tomorrow,
Speaker 2: does the team get better? No, because kJ needs to play.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to play this much, but they need
Speaker 2: kJ Adams Otherwise, if that happens, you're gonna run into
Speaker 2: last year where you don't have enough bodies and you're throwing,
Speaker 2: You're you're a you're a six man away from having
Speaker 2: six minutes. Yeah, can't, you can't. It gets the grass
Speaker 2: is not always greener. We kind of already answered his
Speaker 2: Bill self wash he hasn't been the same coach since
Speaker 2: having the heart attack, And I do think that's true.
Speaker 2: I think there might be something there. Bill self might
Speaker 2: not be able to be the same coach that he
Speaker 2: was at his best because of his heart, and it's
Speaker 2: up to him to decide if it's worth it at
Speaker 2: that point or what's going on here? Let's see here
Speaker 2: at t P TACIC twenty three, can we get some
Speaker 2: of our other forwards some minutes instead of kJ Adams
Speaker 2: all the time, Let's let's not have kJ Harrison Hunter
Speaker 2: on the floor all the time. Then you can only
Speaker 2: have two shooting threats, which packs the paint. It leaves
Speaker 2: Hunter doubled. Which other forwards do you want to get minutes?
Speaker 2: Are we counting Store as a forward because like, oh
Speaker 2: hear us, oh here Flory, you're not wanting Clements to
Speaker 2: play more? Who else do you want to play more?
Speaker 3: I mean, the Flory Hunter combination looked pretty good. I'd
Speaker 3: be willing to try it again.
Speaker 2: I think that only works because Badonga is an athlete.
Speaker 2: But neither of those guys can shoot right.
Speaker 3: But then theoretically, if you were to run like Mayo,
Speaker 3: Griffin and another guard, I guess Harris is the is
Speaker 3: the guy who is.
Speaker 2: I want to see a lineup. I want to see
Speaker 2: a lineup that they'll never try. I want to see
Speaker 2: Mayo as the point guard with Griffin, Store and koit
Speaker 2: around him and Hunter in the middle. I want to
Speaker 2: see what it looks like if you take Harris out
Speaker 2: and you make Zeke Mayo a guy who that time
Speaker 2: they would have to guard the point guard whenever he
Speaker 2: pulls up and shoots.
Speaker 1: That is true, that would be intriguing.
Speaker 2: Game at show me. Hawk might be a little delusional,
Speaker 2: But is it fair to compare this start to the
Speaker 2: one the twenty eighteen team happened. They lost to a
Speaker 2: bad Washington team in case, and then they lost to
Speaker 2: Arizona State and Texas Tech at home right around New
Speaker 2: Year's That team wound up making the Final four. But
Speaker 2: here's the difference. That team had players that we knew
Speaker 2: how they fit together. It was just a matter of
Speaker 2: would they perform They did this question. This roster has
Speaker 2: much more questions, many more questions about the foundation of
Speaker 2: the players, skill positions, and how will they fit together.
Speaker 2: That team had Maliite Newman, DeVante Graham, La Gerald Vic
Speaker 2: and spe mc kailak for upperclassmen.
Speaker 3: We knew that they did.
Speaker 2: We didn't question any of their positions.
Speaker 3: And a dunk machine of a center.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. I mean this team has the pieces.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I kind of am borderline out
Speaker 1: on this team, figuring it out if nothing changes rotation wise.
Speaker 2: At DS consciousness, Kay, you just another program. Now that
Speaker 2: everybody pays their guys, early returns not great. I will
Speaker 2: still say that they'll they will have many more good
Speaker 2: years than not good ones, but the early returns aren't great.
Speaker 2: Now that the playing field has been leveled, you've seen
Speaker 2: teams like Baylor and Alabama pull a lot closer than
Speaker 2: you ever thought they would.
Speaker 3: Are we seeing the Alabama of Kansas basketball?
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to say that. Also, by the way,
Speaker 2: Alabama had one bad quote bad year for their standards,
Speaker 2: they were still a top fifteen team and almost made
Speaker 2: the playoff.
Speaker 3: Well, that would make I just don't one more than
Speaker 3: Alabama if this year goes bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I just don't. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think Bill self is meant for the Portal era.
Speaker 1: That's he and everyone's gonna be like, oh, he won
Speaker 1: a toytle in the first year. Yeah, he got lucky.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he builds his team off trust and loyalty,
Speaker 1: and you can't get that with transfers, especially when they
Speaker 1: don't play much. I don't know. I'm just I'm pessimistic
Speaker 1: on it. I hope that it turns around, and I
Speaker 1: still have faith at a will because he's an awesome coach.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be It's gonna be quite a ride.
Speaker 2: Here's us running away from the twenty twenty five Jayhawks
Speaker 2: before it even gets started. If you ever have ascarb
Speaker 2: O jac, he use the Twitter hashtag.
Speaker 1: O J. Simpson Ford Bronco chasing away.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, guys. If there's anything that'll make you feel better,
Speaker 2: it is while it is three degrees and a blizzard
Speaker 2: outside watching this number seven Kansas at the University of
Speaker 2: Central Florida on Sunday, January the fifth, during the Carson
Speaker 2: wins v Bravonco's game at three o'clock PM on ESPN
Speaker 2: plus Gross Nice.
Speaker 3: The Central Florida Knights are ten and two. Overall, there
Speaker 3: are one to zero and Big twelve play. They have
Speaker 3: wins for Texas Tech and Texas A and M, but
Speaker 3: lost by sixteen to Wisconsin and in three overtimes to LSU.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like most I'm trying to blank, guys, I'm still
Speaker 1: thinking about West Virginia. Like most rosters, UCFS was flipped
Speaker 1: via the transfer portal. But they have a trio of guys.
Speaker 1: At all average sixteen points per game. Point Guard Darius
Speaker 1: Johnson is team's best three point here I have forty
Speaker 1: seven percent slashing wing Jordan Ivy Curry is the team's
Speaker 1: best free throw shooter at eighty seven percent. Hybrid four men,
Speaker 1: Keyshawn Hall is a team's top overall scorer at sixteen
Speaker 1: points and seven rebounds. All three men average sixteen points
Speaker 1: and have been excellent players thus far.
Speaker 2: I thought about bringing Nick back from retirement just to
Speaker 2: have him read this. Next name of UCF starting center
Speaker 2: his Senegal freshman, Mustafa Tim. I think that's probably it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Thium, that's what I would have said. I would
Speaker 3: have said, can I buy a vowel?
Speaker 2: Nick would say Mustard fought. He is seven two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds. He's a huge man and averages
Speaker 2: eight and five. But as you might expect, avoiding fouling
Speaker 2: has been a struggle for him. He fouled out in
Speaker 2: just seventeen minutes in Lubbock in the game the other day.
Speaker 2: It is a good thing that Kansas's center is known
Speaker 2: for drawing a lot of contact and being hell of
Speaker 2: physical right guys.
Speaker 1: Whoa mustache, no way symbol.
Speaker 2: But j.
Speaker 3: This is good. This is good. This is this is
Speaker 3: good radio. This is listenable listenable stuff. Jalen Sellers still
Speaker 3: a night Remember him in his season best four threes
Speaker 3: against Kansas last year. Uh he missed the first games
Speaker 3: that year injured. But hey has rejoined the rotation just
Speaker 3: in time.
Speaker 1: Great, congratulations on your career game. UCF is one of
Speaker 1: the best teams in the country. Had drawn contact and
Speaker 1: get into the free throw line. They average nineteen makes
Speaker 1: twenty five attempts per game and they make seventy eight. Yep,
Speaker 1: they make seventy eight percent of their free throws, which
Speaker 1: is top thirty nationally. They're good at taking the ball away,
Speaker 1: not a great combo for Kansas, and they've been solid
Speaker 1: rebounding the ball and shooting threes at thirty five percent.
Speaker 1: Also not a great.
Speaker 3: Rebound for kJ. Adams in thirty nine minutes.
Speaker 2: Eleven rebounds? Did you stay up four and eleven?
Speaker 3: No? I said four and one.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I thought you said eleven. I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's a that's a month for the rebounds for kJ.
Speaker 1: That where UCF is not great has been two point shots,
Speaker 1: settling for long range jumpers. They fall quite a bit.
Speaker 1: They're also somewhat untested. They've only had one game against
Speaker 1: ranked team on the schedule so far.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at kJ Adams his rebounding numbers. Okay, six, nine, twelve, seventeen.
Speaker 2: It took kJ Adams until November thirtieth to reach his
Speaker 2: jersey numbers worth of rebounds. That's fine, right, that's totally fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's normal.
Speaker 2: Just that's totally a normal thing. Hunter Dickinson. I get it,
Speaker 2: he's number one, but he had it in the first
Speaker 2: two minutes of his season. Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's super normal. Yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Another thing that's super.
Speaker 2: Normal is going for that. Yeah. They've only played played
Speaker 2: one time and how did that get? And I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that game. I remember most games. Let
Speaker 2: me just look up the no ok Kansas UCF. Oh my,
Speaker 2: the computer just burst into flames. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess we have to no more podcast.
Speaker 3: The first Kansas basketball game I ever watched in my
Speaker 3: new apartment in Casey, k the first when I when
Speaker 3: I first moved out of my parents' apartment at the
Speaker 3: beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: Whole Mormon party.
Speaker 2: Oh good, what if I want to start with too?
Speaker 2: They blushed you with that.
Speaker 3: First game of twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: For me, let's look at the let's look at the
Speaker 2: box score from that game, just for the hell of it.
Speaker 2: So at Kansas eight point favorite. Kansas goes into Orlando
Speaker 2: and takes a sixteen point first half lead. kJ Adams
Speaker 2: actually was Cave's leading rebounder of that game with seven rebounds.
Speaker 2: Also at Kansas, Kevin mccullar had five turnovers. Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: only made five baskets, Dwan Harris was two for eight.
Speaker 2: Elmargo Jackson remember him, he didn't play, and Nicholas Timberlake
Speaker 2: did not make a three. I know, that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that that game. Kansas shot fifty one percent that game.
Speaker 2: UCF shot forty two percent. That game Kansas lost.
Speaker 1: I just remember them being up by so much and
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, a road game, easy, They're blowing
Speaker 1: them out of the water. And then it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's five points, that's not great. And then they were
Speaker 1: down by five, and then they cut it to one,
Speaker 1: and then they were down by boar, and I was like,
Speaker 1: they just lost to UCF, did they not?
Speaker 2: Thirty five to nineteen with twenty four minutes left was
Speaker 2: that score? And from that moment on it was forty
Speaker 2: six to twenty five UCF.
Speaker 1: And the result will be this problematic.
Speaker 2: All right, Landon, do they lose?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they lose. Give me the Knights. Wow, give me
Speaker 3: the Nights seventy sixty six.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just like part part of me wants to
Speaker 1: say that, but I'm too big of a Kansas fan
Speaker 1: and I have too much optimism left. Despite what I've
Speaker 1: said today, I think Kansas wins seventy eight to seventy one.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. I'm gonna I'm gonna. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna even play the music in the background so it's
Speaker 2: nice and right for the next show. Here we go.
Speaker 2: I'm a Homer, but this isn't a Homer pick. This
Speaker 2: is because they've got to get one UCF. According to
Speaker 2: Ken Palm, they're not as good as they were allowed
Speaker 2: last year. I'm gonna say Kansas goes into UCF and
Speaker 2: not only wins, but boat races the Knights of Central Florida.
Speaker 2: Kansas seventy eight u sef fifty novel you watch just
Speaker 2: the hunch.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? Pick landon?
Speaker 3: Look, I don't think. I think there's a there's a
Speaker 3: world in which that does happen. I think there's a
Speaker 3: world in which Kansas does do that. I think that
Speaker 3: world might be like twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I say, twenty fourteen, fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 2: I don't think has an answer for Dickinson, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that. I think. I think I think you
Speaker 2: finally get a okay, enough of this game from Kansas.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna start going too just a gut.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right.
Speaker 3: I hope you're right too.
Speaker 1: I hope you're right.
Speaker 2: It'll be a more fun show if I'm right. Other
Speaker 2: games in the Big twelve, Oklahoma State at West Virginia,
Speaker 2: I guess we're going with the Mountaineers to start to
Speaker 2: and oh but oh, wouldn't that surprise you if they
Speaker 2: fell right on their caboose.
Speaker 3: We are gonna take West Virginia here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oklahoma State's really bad.
Speaker 2: Interesting matchup here. Number twenty five Baylor at number three
Speaker 2: Iowa State Baylor's had a lot of success there. I
Speaker 2: but they've been horrible against teams with the pulse this year.
Speaker 2: Until further notice, I think you have to take Iowa
Speaker 2: State at home.
Speaker 3: Cyclones by bucket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take Cyclones as well.
Speaker 2: B YU at number fourteen, Houston. I am all in
Speaker 2: on Houston winning these games easily until further notice. Give
Speaker 2: me the Cougars, the Red Cougars.
Speaker 3: I guess yes, Red Cougars.
Speaker 1: Yep. Cougar's all the way.
Speaker 2: Arizona at number sixteen Cincinnati. Arizona has been waiting a
Speaker 2: long time to get one. I say they finally take
Speaker 2: down a team of a pulse. Give me the Wildcats
Speaker 2: on the road.
Speaker 3: Yes, long running traditional matchup of Big twelve teams. I
Speaker 3: will umm give me Cincinnati to bounce back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting I'm taking Cincinnati here.
Speaker 2: Kansas State at TCU and as somebody has to win,
Speaker 2: are we going with Kansas State to get the two?
Speaker 3: And oh yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, yeah, really give me the Cats. I think
Speaker 1: they have a good started Big twelve play guys.
Speaker 2: You guys are absolutely out of your minds to take
Speaker 2: them on the road here. I will take TCU by
Speaker 2: a lot of points. I need to look into a
Speaker 2: parlay of Kansas and tc both winning by double digits.
Speaker 2: Colorado at Arizona State. I don't know anything about these teams, Like, uh,
Speaker 2: Colorado on the road.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, probably true. I think my preseason prediction
Speaker 3: is going to come up quite short.
Speaker 1: You know what'screwed. I'm gonna take Arizona State at home.
Speaker 2: And Texas Tech at Utah. I'm not gonna pick Utah
Speaker 2: at any games this year. I'm committing to that now,
Speaker 2: Red Raiders on the road.
Speaker 3: I'll take Utah right here, and they're gonna prove me wrong, probably,
Speaker 3: but I'll take the Utes.
Speaker 1: I will nod do that. Texas Tech by a good
Speaker 1: bit probably by eight other games.
Speaker 2: We're gonna pick a lot of games this year. Because
Speaker 2: the numbers are sol Waukey so Landon, you'll have a
Speaker 2: lot of chances and pick them. Number eighteen Michigan State
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. I am all in on the Spartans.
Speaker 2: Give me tome Izos team same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good.
Speaker 2: Number six, Florida at number ten Kentucky. There are three
Speaker 2: undefeated teams in the country left. They're all in the
Speaker 2: SEC one falls here. Give me the Wildcats at home
Speaker 2: at ten.
Speaker 1: In the morning. Eh. Yeah, I'll take Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Number twenty three, Arkansas at number one Tennessee. Do the
Speaker 2: Voles stay at.
Speaker 3: The top, Yes they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they do too, yep.
Speaker 2: Big ten clash. Number four fifteen UCLA at Nebrasketball. I
Speaker 2: will take the fighting Hoiberg's same.
Speaker 1: I will take UCLA.
Speaker 2: Number four Duke at SMU with George W. Bush. They
Speaker 2: always let him like flip the coin when SMU plays
Speaker 2: a football game. I wonder if they let him like
Speaker 2: do the the tip, like if they'll let him do
Speaker 2: the jump ball to start the game here. I will
Speaker 2: take boy. I don't like picking first all these games.
Speaker 2: This kind of feels like an upset pick though.
Speaker 1: I'll give me Duke, give me Duke, and I hope
Speaker 1: someone throws a shoe at George Bush just for fun,
Speaker 1: for a tribute.
Speaker 2: I will take SMU at home. This feels like kind
Speaker 2: of their UCF Kansas moment last year. They're at a new conference.
Speaker 2: It's the first big marquee moment for them. The place
Speaker 2: will be nuts A. Duke's young team. I'll take the
Speaker 2: Mustangs at home Number twelve, Oklahoma at number five, Alabama
Speaker 2: give me the Crimson tied by twenty yep, Sam Yep,
Speaker 2: Crimson tad at number twenty two, Illinois at Washington and
Speaker 2: a Big ten Classic. Uh, like we know anything about
Speaker 2: these teams. I'll take the Huskies.
Speaker 3: I was gonna take Washington too.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Illinois, all right.
Speaker 2: So our next show will probably record during the blizzard
Speaker 2: after the Chiefs lose to the Broncos. And I don't
Speaker 2: care that they don't need this game. I hate the Broncos.
Speaker 2: And if Kansas starts oh and two, I'm legitimately gonna
Speaker 2: throw the computer into the snow.
Speaker 1: I don't think they do, so we'll be we'll be okay, Well,
Speaker 1: well we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: That will happen, all right, Landon, Uh, what is Kansas's
Speaker 2: final Big twelve record, now that you've had a little
Speaker 2: bit of time to think about.
Speaker 3: It, twelve and eight.
Speaker 2: If you think that they start oh and two, then
Speaker 2: that means you have them going twelve and six. In
Speaker 2: the last eighteen ten and ten they lose ten Big
Speaker 2: Twelve games.
Speaker 3: It's time.
Speaker 2: It might be time for Bill to go work at
Speaker 2: Wendy like he is on all the ads that are
Speaker 2: around Allen field House.
Speaker 3: I'm only even happy too, like a there's a real
Speaker 3: chance that that team does that. This team does that.
Speaker 1: I think it is possible. I don't think that happens.
Speaker 1: I think they go thirteen and seven, maybe fourteen and six.
Speaker 2: Hey, they're gonna need this one if they want either
Speaker 2: of those things to be the case. This is inside
Speaker 2: the Fan on Rock Chalk Blog.
Speaker 3: I'm Ryan Landers, I'm Landing.
Speaker 1: Fields, I'm Gambler poop oh boy.
Speaker 2: It feels like that. This feels like a shut down
Speaker 2: Rock Chalk Blog sort of weekend. If it doesn't go well,
Speaker 2: please go well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, back to the mines.
Speaker 3: That'll be fascinating if it happens back to the mines.