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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a string going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something killed
Speaker 2: your dog, my dog. We're flying through there over the tree.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 2: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 2: the fence, and name was dead once you hit the ground.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my
Speaker 2: dog coming over the fence. Mad, What are you reporting?
Speaker 2: We got some wonder or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it was? It enough here when
Speaker 2: I'm new the window now and I don't need anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go outside. Fine, you're right, Cara. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the boddy out here. What quent on out there?
Speaker 2: I've thought of a bit of about text nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know easy, I'm out there. Yeah, I'm walking right away.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome our guest to the show. It is Steve
Speaker 1: from British Columbia. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Brian, I'm.
Speaker 1: Glad to have you. So let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this big fit thing. What gut you
Speaker 1: interested in the subject?
Speaker 3: To begin with. I guess for myself. Growing up, I'd
Speaker 3: seen the Patterson Gillman from Everybody Has. I'd seen it
Speaker 3: on TV at home and my dad saying, well, that's
Speaker 3: just some buffoon in a gorilla suit. And I'd heard
Speaker 3: the Sierra Sounds. That was also some sula. What's making noise? Right,
Speaker 3: So that's the reality of that. I grew up. We
Speaker 3: hunted a lot fish. I'd had some things happen over
Speaker 3: the years, which I'll go into later. When it really
Speaker 3: started interesting me, it was in twenty eighteen, started working
Speaker 3: up in Lake Louise Nearbath. I think you were up
Speaker 3: there Radium, which is close. I've worked there as well.
Speaker 3: I went back the following year in twenty nineteen. It
Speaker 3: was January. It's minus thirty celsius, right, I'm working up there,
Speaker 3: and I was listening to the local radio station. It
Speaker 3: was the CBC. I think I had somebody on telling
Speaker 3: some accounts. It's interesting. I was listening to it. Then
Speaker 3: they mentioned Laura Krantz had a podcast called wild Thing.
Speaker 3: I'd never even actually heard any podcast, so I didn't
Speaker 3: even know what they were. I was the back of
Speaker 3: the hotel. I found Spotify subscribe to that I found
Speaker 3: that podcast started listening to it. I'd burned through that
Speaker 3: and I got to a point and then they referenced
Speaker 3: West Kermer's show, The Sasquad Chronicles. I slipped over to that.
Speaker 3: Then it was referencing an episode. I can't for the
Speaker 3: life and may remember what it was, but it was
Speaker 3: right around forty something. Maybe it was more. That was
Speaker 3: twenty eight nineteen. I was listening to this, I'm working away,
Speaker 3: I'm by myself, way in the middle of nowhere, and
Speaker 3: then I start hearing them talking about some of these
Speaker 3: things that are similar to what happened. I just stopped.
Speaker 3: I was what, wait, huh tree knocks? Never heard of
Speaker 3: a tree k nock? Never heard of whistling, other odd things.
Speaker 3: Then the hair on the back of my next stand.
Speaker 3: And because I'm reliving this thing, that really it stopped
Speaker 3: me from hunting because nothing made any sense. I guess
Speaker 3: maybe I'll start there. I think it was probably about
Speaker 3: twenty ten eleven, I'm not quite sure. First week of
Speaker 3: October I hunted with my dad in an area out
Speaker 3: of Cash Creek had quite a little ways off the highway. Right,
Speaker 3: you're remote, there's no cell service or anything up there.
Speaker 3: At that time. I didn't even have a cell phone.
Speaker 3: I'm off the grid myself. So we pulled up there
Speaker 3: the first evening. We had our little let thirteen foot
Speaker 3: trillium trailer, got way up top there, back in this
Speaker 3: little deactivated road, and we were gonna go out quickly
Speaker 3: for the evening, look around, and the next day go
Speaker 3: for our real hunts. So we get up there, pull
Speaker 3: the trailer. It's probably around I don't know, two thirty
Speaker 3: three o'clock something that it gets dark really early. So
Speaker 3: my dad's going to add a way up the hill
Speaker 3: across the road to do a big luke, come back around.
Speaker 3: We will meet back at the trailer at dark. I
Speaker 3: take off. He told me where to go. He told
Speaker 3: me just head up that road that we were on,
Speaker 3: because it's deactivated. Walk up there about it's not even
Speaker 3: that far a quarter mile maybe a little better than.
Speaker 3: Then there's a landing. He explained the lay of the
Speaker 3: land to me. Just go down there, plunk yourself up, down,
Speaker 3: break down. Some branches make a little ground blind. There's
Speaker 3: a water source just over the crest, he explained. There's
Speaker 3: a finger ridge that's just in the thick timber. It's
Speaker 3: only in maybe seventy yards in the woods. He said,
Speaker 3: the deer will come along there, get down to get water.
Speaker 3: That time of year there's not a lot of water.
Speaker 3: So I got in there, snapping branches right, getting myself
Speaker 3: pucked in there, take my bag off, set it up
Speaker 3: so I can shoot off that. I was just sitting back.
Speaker 3: It was a little early yet I was set up,
Speaker 3: probably an hour before the deer might start moving. I
Speaker 3: could hear this noise, and usually I'll hear a noise
Speaker 3: on everything. Something right in turn. Note I did know
Speaker 3: what it was. It sand hill cranes. They sound odd
Speaker 3: when they're way off in the distance. I was looking
Speaker 3: for and I saw him. That's cool. I'm listening to
Speaker 3: those unwinding Then I'm hearing another noise. This is the
Speaker 3: thing that bothers me is how long it took until
Speaker 3: my brain registered there was something wrong. It starts out
Speaker 3: as this clicking noise. Now I've heard ravens. It's almost
Speaker 3: start communicating back forth with these clicks, the clucks and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So I was listening to this for fifteen minutes. It
Speaker 3: dawned on me that if there's a raven around, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a carcass around because there's not going to
Speaker 3: be one raven around, there's gonna be several. I haven't
Speaker 3: seen a raven. I start looking around. That's weird. And
Speaker 3: then it clicks on my head and that's not a raven.
Speaker 3: It's soundly when somebody makes a noise with their mouth,
Speaker 3: like pressing their tongue, but it's really loud. Because I
Speaker 3: thought it was birds, right, it sounded something was going
Speaker 3: back and forth. I'm sitting there like, wait, what the
Speaker 3: hell is this? Then I hear a whistle. I think
Speaker 3: to myself, maybe my dad's gone way around to come
Speaker 3: back down. I thought he'd scare them up to me,
Speaker 3: but he's gonna whistle let me know he's there, so
Speaker 3: I'm not pointing my gun down the hill. I stand up,
Speaker 3: I whistle. Then immediately something just starts smashing a bunch
Speaker 3: of branches, breaking shit. I can't see anything in my head,
Speaker 3: and maybe some hunters came in because nobody could come
Speaker 3: up the side we came. They would have had to
Speaker 3: come in off of the other highway. It's a hell
Speaker 3: of a long drive in there. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Nobody would have walked in four or five miles to
Speaker 3: come to talk with me. Right to stand up. I whistle.
Speaker 3: Then I yelled dad. As soon as I yelled that,
Speaker 3: something just busts off to my right. I froze there
Speaker 3: for a minute. I had my rifle up, my feet
Speaker 3: were kind of screwy. I was not standing in a
Speaker 3: way to swing my rifle. I'm looking. I'm not comprehending
Speaker 3: the speed. It literally sounds twenty feet clean footballs, is
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking. At that point, I'm something at right here. Now,
Speaker 3: I start shuffling my feet. I'm turning that way, and
Speaker 3: I hear something on the other side from where I
Speaker 3: said I'd heard stuff breaking down there. Now something's going
Speaker 3: the other direction. So I turn. I start looking back
Speaker 3: because that's closer to me. At that point, I'm something
Speaker 3: ain't right here. Now I've turned that way. That's the
Speaker 3: good side for my gun. And so I've got my
Speaker 3: gun there. I'll shooting the three hundred wind meg with
Speaker 3: two hundred grain nouz or partitions. There's nothing up here
Speaker 3: that I can't shoot. I'm looking that way, and then
Speaker 3: from the side the first thing went. I hear this noise.
Speaker 3: That's how the damn baseball bat wood on woodker wrap.
Speaker 3: Now I'm back looking that way again. As soon as
Speaker 3: I look that way, I turn around because I hear
Speaker 3: whatever was on the other side is started to move again.
Speaker 3: Both are running to where I came in. Where I
Speaker 3: came in was a high bank, both sides a little
Speaker 3: skid trail. By this time, I'm going to guess on
Speaker 3: the top maybe four thirty something of that, sun's starting
Speaker 3: to go down. Out in the landing where I am,
Speaker 3: it's wide open. I don't know why, I just I'm
Speaker 3: going to run. So I started running. Picked up my
Speaker 3: bag first, I swung it over one shoulder. I started running.
Speaker 3: One thing I didn't mention is when I was looking
Speaker 3: at the trees, it was replanted. So I'm going to
Speaker 3: guess around sixteen to eighteen feet high pine, pretty tight together.
Speaker 3: I could see something moving through there, but I couldn't
Speaker 3: see it. I could see something, but I couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: I was tracing the noise, right, I was tracing, and
Speaker 3: I don't see you, but I can see the limbs moving.
Speaker 3: And that's when I started running. In my head, don't
Speaker 3: run you look pray. The other part of me is screaming,
Speaker 3: who cares? So I start running that first thing again.
Speaker 3: I'm saying thing because I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: Has busted down, hit the far corner of that slack.
Speaker 3: It's rounding coming around back up. It's a long ways.
Speaker 3: I don't know how anything moved that fast. I can
Speaker 3: hear it coming up the bush that's about two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy five yards away. I'm going, I guess I
Speaker 3: put my gun up. There's the big fir trees. I
Speaker 3: just thought I'm gonna shoot around at that tree. I'm
Speaker 3: just picturing shittle flyery where right everything will run away,
Speaker 3: it will be quiet. As soon as I put my
Speaker 3: gun up started pointing it, I got a thought come
Speaker 3: through my mind that said, put that gun down right now.
Speaker 3: Then I went through this big struggle where I was
Speaker 3: trying to throw my gun on the ground, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't letting go of it. I had no clue what
Speaker 3: was going on. At this point, I'm so beyond freaking out.
Speaker 3: I was in full blown fight or play. I've never
Speaker 3: experienced that in my life. Before I start running through
Speaker 3: the road, there's something on either side. I know it's there.
Speaker 3: I can hear it. It's I run, I stop, stops
Speaker 3: both sides. I was point the gun one way as
Speaker 3: you're walking, look the other. But the problem is my
Speaker 3: right side was the high bank. Unless I walked all
Speaker 3: the way over to the other bank, something could be
Speaker 3: ten to twelve feet away from the top, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: see it. I keep going and then I can hear this,
Speaker 3: and it literally sounded at this point I was being
Speaker 3: toyed with. It was somebody had a big branch. Just
Speaker 3: that's what it seemed like. Something was just breaking it smaller, smaller.
Speaker 3: So I'm swearing into the woods. My voice is cracking.
Speaker 3: I'm just leave me out.
Speaker 4: What do you want?
Speaker 3: Because I think it's people at this point, right. But
Speaker 3: I get out and I see the trailer. I said,
Speaker 3: is dark in there? There's a sun setting. I can
Speaker 3: see the trailer. So I start running again. I got
Speaker 3: to the truck, the truck's log. There's key under the
Speaker 3: gas cap, so I got the key out and I
Speaker 3: don't even know why. I opened the door through my
Speaker 3: bag and there took my right when I ran up
Speaker 3: to the middle of the mainline road because it was
Speaker 3: a little lighter there both sides of me. Still, it
Speaker 3: just sounds something to stop, and I'm being toyed with.
Speaker 3: It's cracked on both sides. I'm looking around. My Dad's
Speaker 3: nowhere to be seen. Then I start walking up the
Speaker 3: slash on the other side, because that's a fresh one.
Speaker 3: I just thought, if I'm out here, I can see
Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty degrees around me. Son's going down
Speaker 3: and they're starting to get shadow everywhere. Then I hear
Speaker 3: a whistle. That's my dad. He's seen me. He walks
Speaker 3: down the hill. I get there. I'm huffing, huffing. I
Speaker 3: can't remember exactly what he said to me because I'm
Speaker 3: turned off at this point. I'm just oh, there's something
Speaker 3: in the bush following me out of there, and he
Speaker 3: looks at me, I'm an idiot, starts ejecting the shells
Speaker 3: out of my gun. I'm sitting. It goes you're gunloaded.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, unload that, you knowing thing. I don't.
Speaker 3: Let's go have something to eat. No, I'm serious. He stopped.
Speaker 3: He listens, He here kat. He goes on, it'll just
Speaker 3: be a couple of moose. I'm a moose. Oh moose, okay,
Speaker 3: and then no, I was followed both sides. He's oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: they'll do that, and no, they won't. Anyways, we get
Speaker 3: back to this trailer. We don't have flashlights, because that's
Speaker 3: how my dad is. He doesn't take a compass, nothing.
Speaker 3: The one time we were going to go get a
Speaker 3: search party for him, he ended up shooting two gears
Speaker 3: goutted him out. He's it was going to be too dark,
Speaker 3: so he just walked straight up over the mountain to us.
Speaker 3: He got back at nine o'clock at night, pitch block.
Speaker 3: He don't care. So we get back to the trailers,
Speaker 3: start cooking dinner. I'm clearly shaking. I've got my rifle
Speaker 3: in there. You've ever been in one of them trailers,
Speaker 3: There's not much room, especially when you have the bed
Speaker 3: set down. As my dad will say, your part, it's crowded.
Speaker 3: So we're making some dinner. He's what are you planning
Speaker 3: on keeping that gun in here with you? I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I am. Shakes his head. He says to me, what
Speaker 3: do you think the Sam Squatch is going to get?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I looked at him, I said, yeah I do. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever seen Trailer Park Boys. That's
Speaker 3: a Canadian show, but they had the Sam Squatch, but
Speaker 3: it turned out to be a mountain lion. It was
Speaker 3: eating their weed that they're growing, so we end up
Speaker 3: eating dinner. I'm just done. My eyes want to close.
Speaker 3: I'm so tired. The only light we have in there
Speaker 3: is a crappy little incandescent camper balls two of them.
Speaker 3: My dad's the kind of guy he says, when it's dark,
Speaker 3: it's time for bed, So that would have been about
Speaker 3: seven forty five lights out. I sleep with earplugs I
Speaker 3: always have, and I put earplugs in. I had that
Speaker 3: and your wind mag land next to me, a handful
Speaker 3: of shells on the little counter up next to me.
Speaker 3: The bolt open. I just fell right asleep. I'm guessing
Speaker 3: on time again. I didn't have a cell phone, we
Speaker 3: didn't have a clock. I don't know what time it was,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to see it was probably eleven, maybe twelve,
Speaker 3: I said. When my eyes closed, I passed right out.
Speaker 3: Normally I take forever to fall asleep, but I think
Speaker 3: I just had such an adrenaline dump that I was
Speaker 3: just done. I wake up. I pull out an earclub.
Speaker 3: There's a little coat rack here. Everything's shaken, and then
Speaker 3: my dad's kind of grumbling and growing in and he's
Speaker 3: got nothing I said, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 3: He goes, huh, and what are you doing? He looks
Speaker 3: at me and he goes, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And then he gets up. He sits up on his
Speaker 3: bed and I'm trying to talk to him. He doesn't
Speaker 3: say nothing. He goes to open the door. He's just
Speaker 3: sitting there. What are you doing? He's like, huh, just
Speaker 3: nothing makes any sense. He opens the door and pokes
Speaker 3: an eye out there. He's looking. I said, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? He goes, I'm going to see if the
Speaker 3: moon is out? And what the moon? That don't make
Speaker 3: any sense to me. He takes a week, opens the door.
Speaker 3: He's peering around. He goes back, and I fell right
Speaker 3: asleep again. Wooll cup. I don't know what time it was.
Speaker 3: It was just going to get light. He's sitting on
Speaker 3: the edge of the bed with his boots on. I
Speaker 3: wake up, you know, says, Oh there you are. He says,
Speaker 3: so what do you figure I didn't see any trucks
Speaker 3: up there yesterday. Do you figure we should head on
Speaker 3: somewhere else? He says, I know you don't want to
Speaker 3: be here all I said, yeah, I want to leave.
Speaker 3: So he says okay, we'll leave. I get out. He
Speaker 3: fires up the truck. He's hooking up the trailer again,
Speaker 3: just dropping the tongue down right, figure on my rifle.
Speaker 3: I get out. I turned around, close the door, and
Speaker 3: I look at the side train and said, what the
Speaker 3: hell is that? He says, what? Then point right where
Speaker 3: my seat are. There's no window now right. I looked
Speaker 3: at it. I said, that was a goddamn hand. It
Speaker 3: was in several spots in your hand. You've got all
Speaker 3: your little and you know you call him. I know
Speaker 3: I've heard the word dermal ridge, but all the creases everything,
Speaker 3: he can see it on there. But you can also
Speaker 3: see down. You can see where I would say it
Speaker 3: was hair touching.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquat chattasy. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But this is like a frigging canoe cattle man in
Speaker 3: four spots you can see looking back now, I feel
Speaker 3: something was going back because you could see where it
Speaker 3: look a palm had had slid. The reason I know
Speaker 3: that this isn't something that was on the trailers because
Speaker 3: that trailer was parked at my house under a larch tree.
Speaker 3: We drug it four hundred kilometers. One hundred of it
Speaker 3: was gravel road, which is dusty. It's covered in dust
Speaker 3: when you get there. This was due so it's fresh.
Speaker 3: Everything's fresh. You could see where the dew had run.
Speaker 3: I wish if I had annoying anything, I would have
Speaker 3: taken pictures of that, maybe started looking at the ground.
Speaker 3: That was that first thing there. Ended up. We went
Speaker 3: to another valley over. I felt safe, but it is
Speaker 3: the crow flies. He's like, that's range over there. You
Speaker 3: named that barbelly. It was probably only a mile a
Speaker 3: half as a pro flies to the next road over.
Speaker 3: It's knowing what I know now, it's twenty minutes it's there.
Speaker 3: I ended up. I got a deer the next day,
Speaker 3: and I went home, and my dad stayed there himself
Speaker 3: and didn't he ended up getting deer.
Speaker 4: That was that.
Speaker 3: Even though I'd gone, I got that deer the next day.
Speaker 3: I didn't even want to go again. For a few years,
Speaker 3: I didn't know what it was. I had no clue.
Speaker 3: All I know is I was scared. And then I
Speaker 3: think it was about three years later. Again, apologize because
Speaker 3: you're going back so many years now. I don't know
Speaker 3: what year it was, but my dad went up right
Speaker 3: near where we were, the first time he's up there,
Speaker 3: his first day. He goes out, there's a buck there,
Speaker 3: he said it. He got up on it. It was
Speaker 3: about seventy yards away. He figures there was a big
Speaker 3: brush file there that they burned them in the ball
Speaker 3: of the late ball up there. So he just took
Speaker 3: a few steps over to it and used it as
Speaker 3: a rest because he was going to just go for
Speaker 3: a behind the shoulder shot. He thought, like seventy yards
Speaker 3: all had shoot it, but he wanted a rest. So
Speaker 3: he puts his rifle up, clicks the safety off, pulls
Speaker 3: the chegger. It does the typical the legs go out.
Speaker 3: It just goes into a heap on the ground. He
Speaker 3: turned around, cut his tag because he got it, he
Speaker 3: decided because I think he said it was a nine
Speaker 3: am or nine thirty something of that. So rather than
Speaker 3: getting into it, because he a lot of times skin him,
Speaker 3: break him down, hack them out right there, so you're
Speaker 3: gonna have your little lunch before you get all covered
Speaker 3: in blood guts. He does that. He goes over to
Speaker 3: get his ear. He goes it's gone. He looked around,
Speaker 3: it was gone. He was telling me about this after
Speaker 3: he goes, yeah, it must have got up run away.
Speaker 3: I know I spine shot it. He could tell at
Speaker 3: seventy yards, and he's our good shot at seventy yards
Speaker 3: with those handloads. He knows right where the bullet went,
Speaker 3: the way it piled up on the ground. That he
Speaker 3: didn't stay there locked to confirm it was dead. But
Speaker 3: he looked at it long enough to cut his tag,
Speaker 3: make the decision, and I'm going to cut my tag.
Speaker 3: Then turns his back, has his lunch for fifteen minutes,
Speaker 3: it's not there. So he said he must have missed
Speaker 3: it ran away. He looked for four hours that day,
Speaker 3: went back, was perplexed. Then he went the next morning.
Speaker 3: He waited because he'd already cut his tag. He can't
Speaker 3: shoot another bear, so he said he would just wait
Speaker 3: a little later in the day because he figured it'll
Speaker 3: be around there somewhere. He'll just look for the ravens. Nothing.
Speaker 3: Then he came home, went back the week. Labor never
Speaker 3: saw it, so I don't know what that means. Then
Speaker 3: you fast forward two years from that, we go up
Speaker 3: that same area, so you're about four or five years
Speaker 3: after that first thing. So now I'm almost willing to
Speaker 3: go in the woods again. We get up pull the
Speaker 3: trailer in this area. I'd been up in there before.
Speaker 3: I knew the lay of the land. They'd logged a
Speaker 3: bit of it. So I did his big loop around
Speaker 3: and I got up to the top of this timber.
Speaker 3: It's a ways down through their good spot. I just
Speaker 3: started getting into the bush because I was going to
Speaker 3: work my way down there. They got in there. Then
Speaker 3: I started going back out. I was, what's going on?
Speaker 3: And I walked back in there. What the hell's going on?
Speaker 3: I couldn't go into the bush. This don't make sense,
Speaker 3: this whole subject. I've got a bit of a problem
Speaker 3: with some of it because I hear people and they
Speaker 3: talk about Lou. I'm you're an idiot. Then with things
Speaker 3: happened to you, You're like, I get into the bush
Speaker 3: about thirty yards. If you've ever been in many logging
Speaker 3: slashes in BC, sometimes they're really thick on the edge.
Speaker 3: You'll get those blowdowns whatnot. It's paying the ass to
Speaker 3: get in there. I get into there, it opens up.
Speaker 3: I'm on the sort of the flat part on the
Speaker 3: top there. I walk in about I said, I probably
Speaker 3: got in about thirty five yards at that time. I stopped.
Speaker 3: I'm looking around. I got really uneasy. I'm looking right
Speaker 3: and then I get a picture in my mind, but
Speaker 3: it's on top of my vision. And I started having
Speaker 3: a panic attack because I'm what the fuck's going on here?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing something that now I would say, geez, I
Speaker 3: guess that's a sasquatch. Heard of any such thing. It's
Speaker 3: there and what's going on? So now my rifles off
Speaker 3: my shoulder, it's in my hand. I'm slowly I'm turning
Speaker 3: in a circle and no shit all over again. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I just start going. I
Speaker 3: was going to go to my left. I knew where
Speaker 3: I was going to go. I started going to my right,
Speaker 3: and I started going down a gully. There's all these
Speaker 3: ground vines, prickles I'm going through. I'm going Where the
Speaker 3: hell are you going? I'm talking outloud to myself and
Speaker 3: what the hell are you doing? I'm going over things,
Speaker 3: I'm going under. It makes no sense to me. I
Speaker 3: set out loud of min this is how people get
Speaker 3: and lost. What are you doing? At this point, I'm
Speaker 3: probably only two hundred yards from that logging slash or
Speaker 3: I'm drawing to go that way I'm going down. I'm
Speaker 3: going under shit now, my boot is wet, I've got
Speaker 3: mud on my knees. I could have just walking down.
Speaker 3: There's no need for any of this to happen. I
Speaker 3: didn't have to crawl over or under anything, but I did.
Speaker 3: Then I feel okay, But I'm still going this way.
Speaker 3: I'm almost laughing. What the hell are you doing? I
Speaker 3: get down. By this time, I've probably only gone i'd
Speaker 3: venture to say about five to six hundred yards, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe not even that far. Honestly, it might only be
Speaker 3: four hundred. That's a long ways in the bush. I
Speaker 3: start getting the spidy senses going off that there's something here.
Speaker 3: I look down the hill. I see movement about seventy
Speaker 3: yards away. I go no way, big set of antlers.
Speaker 3: Pull my gun off my shoulder. I put it up.
Speaker 3: I go one, two, three, four. It was those four
Speaker 3: point or better season. I could clearly see this thing
Speaker 3: pull the trigger, dumps on the ground. Three other monster
Speaker 3: bucks run away. Normally finding those four points in those
Speaker 3: special seasons, you don't just walk into them. I scoozed
Speaker 3: down the hill. I know I made a good shot.
Speaker 3: I got down there. It was done. I pulled out
Speaker 3: my wallet at my dear tag. I was gonna just
Speaker 3: got it and then head back get my dad. We
Speaker 3: would probably have to skin it here, break it down,
Speaker 3: carry it out. Anyways, I'm gotting it. As soon as
Speaker 3: I kneel down, a feeling of somebody's looking at you.
Speaker 3: This is the weirdest thing ever. I keep looking around it.
Speaker 3: So one thing I do know is predators will give
Speaker 3: you a feeling. But I used to archery hunt a
Speaker 3: lot too. You'll be walking through the bush all of
Speaker 3: a sudden there'll be a buck standing there eighteen yards
Speaker 3: away from you. You go, oh crap, you had no
Speaker 3: clue it was there, and then as soon as you
Speaker 3: see it, it's I'm out of here. It takes off.
Speaker 3: But I'm looking around. There's got to be wolves here
Speaker 3: or something, because I'd had that same feeling a year
Speaker 3: before in a completely different area. Sorry, I'm but this
Speaker 3: is the predator thing. Because I was walking in this
Speaker 3: really thick old grove on the mossy rocks. There was
Speaker 3: wind blowing. It's very quiet and there's no noise. If
Speaker 3: something's watching me. Start looking around. My gun still on
Speaker 3: my shoulder. I turned my head and I think right away.
Speaker 3: German shepherd head down, tail tuck gets arcing towards me.
Speaker 3: When I was eight, I got to talk by German shepherd.
Speaker 3: It hamstring me. It looked exactly the same. But again
Speaker 3: I was on my off side to shoot, so I
Speaker 3: stepped back, spy my gop, my shoulder, spun the other way,
Speaker 3: put it up. I just shot. That was a wolf.
Speaker 3: It was about eighteen feet for me when it piled
Speaker 3: up there. I made a bad shot because you looked
Speaker 3: through a four four scope that close. I ended up
Speaker 3: taking three rounds, but I only had seven with me.
Speaker 3: As soon as I pulled the trigger, the woods are up.
Speaker 3: There's wolves everywhere now, Oh crap. I got four bullets left,
Speaker 3: but they all ran off anyways. Just to bring a
Speaker 3: point to I thought it would maybe be a wolf
Speaker 3: because it was that feeling right. So the pull the
Speaker 3: guts out of it. Dragged the deer up out of
Speaker 3: the gut pile, obviously six feet away type thing. I
Speaker 3: took the heart, carried that in my hand. I put
Speaker 3: the liver on top of a little stump that was there,
Speaker 3: just so it wasn't in the leaves. I walked back
Speaker 3: out to the trailer. It was probably three hundred yards.
Speaker 3: Maybe did the trailer, I guess. By the time I
Speaker 3: got back there, I stood around and waited. My dad
Speaker 3: came back. He's all right on, you got one. He said,
Speaker 3: what'd you do with it? I said, I just got
Speaker 3: it and laughed it there. I said, why don't we
Speaker 3: go back there. We'll bring our packboards with we'll go
Speaker 3: back there. Maybe we'll just cut it in half, pull
Speaker 3: it up in a tree for the night. So you
Speaker 3: go there. He says, where did you shoot it? I
Speaker 3: said right here? He said, where'd you got it? I said,
Speaker 3: we're right there. The guts were gone, the liver was gone.
Speaker 3: The deer was right in the same spot. When I
Speaker 3: say the guts are gone, they're gone. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean, They're gone. They didn't get pulled off. If
Speaker 3: there was wolves there they got into it. You would
Speaker 3: know that wolves got into it because they would have
Speaker 3: been strung out everywhere there just gone. But that deer
Speaker 3: was right there. So he said, let's get it the
Speaker 3: hell out of here. So we ended up cutting in
Speaker 3: half put in the pack. We never brought a gun
Speaker 3: with us either, because why would you need one. The
Speaker 3: deer's already dead, right he kept looking around. He was uneasy.
Speaker 3: It's odd because he doesn't get uneasy. He starts high
Speaker 3: tailing out of there. He's got the only little dim flashlight.
Speaker 3: I don't have one. I'm tripping over things with half
Speaker 3: a deer someone everywhere. Twist my knee type thing. We
Speaker 3: get it out, throw it in the back of the truck,
Speaker 3: sleep in the trailer. Nothing happened. Calm Wyatt, get up
Speaker 3: in the morning. My dad had an other guy's son.
Speaker 3: They were a lot older, but we hunted with almost
Speaker 3: every year. They were up in another area up there,
Speaker 3: which again is half a valley over. He said, okay,
Speaker 3: we got one, so let's go over all hunt with them.
Speaker 3: Because I'm only allowed one mule deer there, I could
Speaker 3: still hunt white tail or black bear. So we went there,
Speaker 3: and they're jealous because I got one. Anyways, that day
Speaker 3: I didn't hunt. They went out, they didn't get nothing.
Speaker 3: The next day my dad said, why don't you go
Speaker 3: out look for a white tail up the hill behind us.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, So I get up in the morning.
Speaker 3: They get up. They all take off different directions. I
Speaker 3: just walked straight from behind the trailer where they mind
Speaker 3: gravel out for the roads. I just walked up that
Speaker 3: got into a logging slash. I didn't even get in
Speaker 3: there very far. I was just walking around a bit.
Speaker 3: Then the fog started rolling in. The fog would roll
Speaker 3: in so damn thick. I can't even tell if I'm
Speaker 3: going up or down anymore because I'm only going a
Speaker 3: little ways. I didn't have anything with me, so I stopped.
Speaker 3: Fog blows away. I can see. Then here's that same
Speaker 3: damn thing in my eyes, same picture, same thing right
Speaker 3: in my eyes says I'm over here. I turn around, looked.
Speaker 3: My heart is pounding. Basically, all I did is I
Speaker 3: just ran down towards the trailer.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 3: It was about nine am they come back. I was
Speaker 3: probably already about eight beer sleep.
Speaker 2: That was done.
Speaker 3: That was that. But it's funny looking back on it
Speaker 3: now because at the time it doesn't make any sense, Right,
Speaker 3: that's just your mind playing tricks on you. But what
Speaker 3: I would think about is, if that's my mind's playing
Speaker 3: tricks on me, why doesn't happen every time I go places?
Speaker 3: Why is it only particularly in these areas I hear people,
Speaker 3: I listen to a lot of podcasts. I find myself Honestly,
Speaker 3: if I stop and I give myself a minute to think,
Speaker 3: these things come back to me because it doubles me,
Speaker 3: because it keeps going on. I'm moved. I'm living up
Speaker 3: here now in the Okanagan. I was working up in
Speaker 3: the same place. I came home on a long weekend.
Speaker 3: I just got a new truck. I was going to
Speaker 3: go to a place that's about an hour half dry.
Speaker 3: I've been up the hill. It's called the New Slate.
Speaker 3: I drove up into there. I saw this spot. That's
Speaker 3: a beautiful hole. I'm going to go hike up in there.
Speaker 3: There's going to be a buck bedded right up on
Speaker 3: the top of there, for sure. I start walking up
Speaker 3: the road and I look at the ground and I go,
Speaker 3: would you look at that footprint? Right, I'm looking at it.
Speaker 3: Then of course I'm looking at it. Oh, that's a bear,
Speaker 3: you can see. That's an elk moose. That must be toes.
Speaker 3: That's just proved to me. Even now, people get cooled, right,
Speaker 3: So I've seen double step bears. I've seen all sorts
Speaker 3: of things, right, And anyways, I leave the road hiked.
Speaker 3: There's a stand there. I thought it was only fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty feet wide from where I art. It was further
Speaker 3: than that. It was horrible. I started walking through there.
Speaker 3: I got in there, I was soaked from about here
Speaker 3: down to My boots had water inside of them because
Speaker 3: it had been it was raining, right, So I get
Speaker 3: to the other side of them. This is a stupid idea.
Speaker 3: Then I look at this hill and you get over there.
Speaker 3: It's this. So I'm crawling up the hill hands eaves.
Speaker 3: I get the top. I was right. There had been
Speaker 3: deer up there. There wasn't any There was beds all
Speaker 3: over in there. I'm walking around and I hear a
Speaker 3: scratching noise on a tree. Stop and looking around, go,
Speaker 3: what's that? Swirl a mouth full of mushrooms a bunch
Speaker 3: under an arm, looks at me, drops them all on
Speaker 3: the ground and starts screaming at me, Hey, buddy, pick
Speaker 3: all the mushrooms up. Put him at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the tree. That's cool. I've never seen that before. So
Speaker 3: I'm looking around. Okay, I'm just gonna sort of circle
Speaker 3: around and make my way down and start going down
Speaker 3: the bank because it was really steep, and I cut
Speaker 3: on an angle. I got down. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I started getting really uneasy. I don't know why. I
Speaker 3: start going down the hill. At one point I look,
Speaker 3: I can see the roof on my truck. But as
Speaker 3: soon as you go down, you lose sight of that.
Speaker 3: I start walking. Then I don't know how I did it.
Speaker 3: I just lost my bearings. I started walking the wrong direction,
Speaker 3: and I was panicking. How am I not at my
Speaker 3: truck a while ago? Then I pop out, I'm in
Speaker 3: the wrong spot. I got back. I'm ejecting my shells
Speaker 3: out of my gun through my gun in the back seat,
Speaker 3: fire at my truck. I leave. I get down onto
Speaker 3: the road from where I was. There's a big, huge
Speaker 3: swamp in the middle there. It goes around. There's a
Speaker 3: kind of a shitty little road that goes around this area,
Speaker 3: and I'm driving along. There's a straight stretch. I look
Speaker 3: off two hundred yards away, go oh, look at that.
Speaker 3: There's a wolf on the road. Cool. So I say
Speaker 3: to myself, I'm gonna shoot that wolf. I open the
Speaker 3: door of the truck. I get out. I was having
Speaker 3: a rifle in my hand and looking at it. I'll
Speaker 3: get a little closer, so I jump in start driving
Speaker 3: up the road to get about one hundred yards away.
Speaker 3: I get about seventy five eighty yards away from this thing.
Speaker 3: I got out, threw a shell in there, closed the gun,
Speaker 3: put it up. Something isn't right because it kept looking
Speaker 3: back over its shoulder. Something right here. I cracked the
Speaker 3: bolt that pulled it back, left the shell in there,
Speaker 3: jumped in with the door open. I'm driving up the road.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, I notice this thing's tied to
Speaker 3: a stick at somebody's dog. I see these people sitting
Speaker 3: there and I'm about to give them an earfold, but
Speaker 3: they're standing around looking at the road, pointing on the ground,
Speaker 3: looking at this. I was furious, but again I was
Speaker 3: just on my god. I can't believe I was close
Speaker 3: to shooting that dog. There's wolves up there. They're a
Speaker 3: big problem. But anyways, and.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to sea. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I just kept going past them. You guys are idiots
Speaker 3: who would tie their dog out on a corner where
Speaker 3: you know anybody that come through, or they probably would
Speaker 3: have thought the same thing. I get just around the corner,
Speaker 3: there's these two trees over the road and they are
Speaker 3: only three inches around. They weren't there. On my way in,
Speaker 3: I thought, if those idiots are sitting out there, because
Speaker 3: I'll do that take shots at a tree. I'm out
Speaker 3: of the truck, I'm on the ground. I'm looking at them.
Speaker 3: What in the hell now, I've never seen that before
Speaker 3: I drove up, they were not there. They were broken
Speaker 3: off at about I'd say they were within six inches
Speaker 3: of each other, but I'm going to stay around seven footmark.
Speaker 3: They were older. You'll see olders in the fall have
Speaker 3: almost the white. They almost look oxidized. You put your
Speaker 3: nail on it, it'll turn a brighter green color for
Speaker 3: seven eight inches either side. It's sporadically brighter green. They
Speaker 3: were folded in on themselves. The wood wasn't broken on
Speaker 3: the front or back. Again, this is after listening to podcasts.
Speaker 3: How in the hell did those idiots break those trees?
Speaker 3: I mean, you couldn't put a strapper on pulm over.
Speaker 3: They would have broke off at the ground. Now I'm
Speaker 3: standing there and all of a sudden, I just get
Speaker 3: this shutter. You wouldn't believe it's right off the edge
Speaker 3: of the road. It goes down fairly steep. But they
Speaker 3: said it's that swampy area it's cedar in there, it's dark.
Speaker 3: I got the ebgb's, I ran around the oside, truck
Speaker 3: counted and drive took off. Why can't I just go
Speaker 3: enjoy anything and feel okay? I start listening to a podcast.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever heard of the Meat
Speaker 3: Eater podcast Steve Ranella. Somebody asked a question Steve, what's
Speaker 3: the best place to go hunting? He says, as close
Speaker 3: to your damn house as possible. I'm driving out there
Speaker 3: sixty bucks in gas. It's the waste of money. I'm
Speaker 3: never driving out there again. Where I live. I'm not
Speaker 3: even five minutes. I'm up on a power line. Why
Speaker 3: don't I hunt up there? The guy that I bought
Speaker 3: the house from was a taxidermist to be shot two
Speaker 3: tier up there every year. Why am I not just
Speaker 3: going there? I come back. I went to work, came
Speaker 3: back the next long weekend, which was Thanksgiving long weekend.
Speaker 3: I came home, stopped being quick, said hi. I said
Speaker 3: to my wife at the time. I actually, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna grab my rifle quickly go up the power lines
Speaker 3: before dark, because then that weekend mule deer bucks are open.
Speaker 3: White tail bucks, white tail doze black bears. So I
Speaker 3: thought there's a good chance of seeing something. I drive
Speaker 3: up there and on the road going up, I just
Speaker 3: got past the gate. There's a grouse on the road.
Speaker 3: I jumped out shot that. As I'm going to pick
Speaker 3: it up, I hear a vehicle coming. Crap, don't tell
Speaker 3: you one of these Karen's down here. Thinks I'm too
Speaker 3: close to be shooting right. I thought somebody's gonna come
Speaker 3: scream at me. This guy rolls up beside me, is
Speaker 3: all were you doing? That's how I just shot a
Speaker 3: girls all right on, drives past me, goes up the hill.
Speaker 3: I get to the top of the hill, I can
Speaker 3: see that he's obviously got a pausey because he had
Speaker 3: a g as you could clearly see where he went.
Speaker 3: He went to the right. I wanted to go to
Speaker 3: the laft, so I thought, right on, that's great. I
Speaker 3: drive up there. Now this area, I used to have
Speaker 3: a toyt of tundra that I would drive up there
Speaker 3: all the time. I took that up there in the
Speaker 3: early spring, and my trucks are still the only tracks
Speaker 3: through the mud puddles. So I drive my new truck
Speaker 3: up there. Of course, keeps narrowing up, and you're driving
Speaker 3: past a stick on the side that's up the side
Speaker 3: of your truck. So now I'm already upset. You had
Speaker 3: your truck for about three weeks and you already got
Speaker 3: scratched up the side of it. I drive up in there.
Speaker 3: I'm just mad already, not at this point, So I
Speaker 3: decided I'm just going to turn around right here. So
Speaker 3: I just do a three point turn, but I'm pushing
Speaker 3: trees over with a bumper and pushing them over with
Speaker 3: the front with just little packer poles. And then I
Speaker 3: backed in where it was grassy. Turn off the truck.
Speaker 3: I jump out, left my phone and the cup holder
Speaker 3: in the middle, and grabbed three or four shells. I
Speaker 3: jump out. As soon as I got into the ground,
Speaker 3: I felt something's looking at me. What's going on here?
Speaker 3: Something was looking at my legs, And I know that
Speaker 3: sounds weird, but that's what it felt. So I just
Speaker 3: started shoving shells in my gun. Drop one on the ground.
Speaker 3: Of course, where i'd closed the door quietly right, I'd
Speaker 3: been down to pick a shell up. Of course, I
Speaker 3: hit the panic button, so that's going off. Now, I figure, okay,
Speaker 3: everything's green, so I'm swearing at myself for being an idiot.
Speaker 3: Get my keys out, turned that off, pick up the shell.
Speaker 3: That's cool. I may as well go home. There's not
Speaker 3: going to be any gear up here now, or anything
Speaker 3: for that matter. But I thought I'll just quickly walk.
Speaker 3: I'm parked right under the power lines the right over top.
Speaker 3: You can hear them kissing the ticket away. I walked
Speaker 3: to the right side of the road from there. It's
Speaker 3: a rock ledge that goes down about one hundred feet.
Speaker 3: If you fell up there, you'd have a bad day.
Speaker 3: It's swampy below. There's a road that runs up through there,
Speaker 3: then it banks up the other side that's cut, and
Speaker 3: then there's heavy fur up on the top bridge. That
Speaker 3: would be about a three hundred yard shot. So I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: can all just walk into there. I'm set up. I'll
Speaker 3: wait around for twenty minutes half hour, see if anything
Speaker 3: comes out. So I'm walking and I see a moose
Speaker 3: skull on the ground there. I could tell it was
Speaker 3: a little bit bigger than illegal and immature. It had
Speaker 3: three on the one side. I think somebody probably shot
Speaker 3: that left that there to waste. Anyways, there's a I
Speaker 3: think it was a seater, I don't know, fourteen inches
Speaker 3: down at the bottom or so. It came off that.
Speaker 3: So I put my back, sat down in there, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking out over. I start looking down that there
Speaker 3: was a little road there. There's something here. There's got
Speaker 3: to be a deer looking at me. I'm thinking, even
Speaker 3: though I know I'm not gonna know, if there's a
Speaker 3: deer staring at me. They're sitting there for three four minutes, maybe, Matt,
Speaker 3: And that was my attention was fully on. There's something
Speaker 3: here for sure. Then for right where I came over
Speaker 3: the bank, I hear it sounds. The closest I can
Speaker 3: say it sounds too, is when a helicopter is firing
Speaker 3: up that rotor starts going. Just when it starts going,
Speaker 3: superstonic area that I'm at, it's all rock. It's not
Speaker 3: even really gravel on top. It's just it's just bladed off,
Speaker 3: roughly dirty. Right, I'm already pissed off. I've clearly scratched
Speaker 3: my track. I had to back up, drive through these trees,
Speaker 3: and then I've got now, there must have been a
Speaker 3: deer standing right there. Right, it's ran off. So I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there for a minute. How did I not see
Speaker 3: anything standing there, is what I'm thinking, And I said, there,
Speaker 3: you know what that said? I got to walk up.
Speaker 3: I got to see because I don't know, if you
Speaker 3: know the big mule ears when they take off a
Speaker 3: lot of times you're your sudden. I honestly think after
Speaker 3: hearing things, I think a lot of people would mistake
Speaker 3: that for something. By beetle running away, I'm thinking, I know,
Speaker 3: white tailed run. They don't weigh two thousand pounds, so
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. I get up to
Speaker 3: the road and walking up, I just something told me
Speaker 3: to go to the other side of the road. And
Speaker 3: I walk over and looking I see the grass is
Speaker 3: knocked down going up this way, so I'll follow that,
Speaker 3: and immediately thinking black bear because they'll fold it over right.
Speaker 3: But it was narrow. I was looking at if somebody
Speaker 3: had cut it off. This talls the tops everywhere else
Speaker 3: were taller, and so many of them were cut off
Speaker 3: and off to everywhere. This is weird whatever. So I'm
Speaker 3: walking right through that and I get up to the
Speaker 3: it's not far from the edge of that road. I'm
Speaker 3: forty yards here, forty fifty yards. It breaks off heads
Speaker 3: down the other direction, I stop at a tree there.
Speaker 3: I look. I can see right where I was sitting,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't see where I was. If I was
Speaker 3: two feet taller, I could have been looking at myself.
Speaker 3: So I walked down a little further. I'm following where
Speaker 3: this grass was, and on the other side it's all row,
Speaker 3: just with mostly liking. I walked that way. I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go down a little further. I'm going
Speaker 3: to loop around. I'm just gonna do a ten minute
Speaker 3: walk back up to the power line trail back to
Speaker 3: the truck. I walk down, I go to step up.
Speaker 3: It's getting to be like Rocky Boulderie, right, So you
Speaker 3: got to look at the groundhere you're gonna step and
Speaker 3: remember I'm stepping forward with my right foot. And I
Speaker 3: stopped right before I put my foot down a footprint,
Speaker 3: but pounded into the liking on the rock a quarter
Speaker 3: inch thick. That's weird. And I pounded my boot next
Speaker 3: to it. Can't see that, that's odd. I said, that's
Speaker 3: a big dude, even though there was toes. That's the thing.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: I said, that's a big boot. I'm looking right at toes. Anyways,
Speaker 3: I take a step with my left step with my
Speaker 3: right step with my left I look down, I see
Speaker 3: a left foot. Where's the other right? You know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I missed a step here, so I backed up.
Speaker 3: That's weird because I see that when I see that one.
Speaker 3: Now the sun's not down. But if you are familiar
Speaker 3: with any tracking at all, a lot of times, especially
Speaker 3: in the fall when it's freezing at night, if you
Speaker 3: get something fresh, a lot of times it'll have almost
Speaker 3: a bluey tinge to it in the evening, if it's
Speaker 3: right fresh. I don't know why, but it does. Holy crap,
Speaker 3: there's one. It's all on the top of rocks. That's weird.
Speaker 3: Have a brother in law at six eight. We's got
Speaker 3: a long stride, but it ain't that long, not on rocks.
Speaker 3: That's weird. To go a little bit further all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I stop on my tracks. I'm looking. I
Speaker 3: go the woodline's probably only one hundred and thirty yards
Speaker 3: from there. I could see that there was a blowdown
Speaker 3: tree and there with a big root ball there. Those
Speaker 3: tracks went right to it. I didn't have binoculars. They
Speaker 3: shouldn't use your scope for scopeing things, but I didn't
Speaker 3: put it up. As soon as I started looking at
Speaker 3: the thing, I felt like I had just been scolded.
Speaker 3: I felt that had just been yelled at. I was
Speaker 3: in trouble for something. Right away. I was like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, there must be a sow with cubs
Speaker 3: around here, a mama bear. I'm in trouble. So I
Speaker 3: turn around. I start walking back along those tracks. There.
Speaker 3: I go up over. There's my truck. I don't know,
Speaker 3: fifty yards away. I go a little bit further. The
Speaker 3: feeling went away. I guess the bears left right. I
Speaker 3: didn't see a bear to confirm there was a bear around.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything, so I doubt there was a bear. Anyways,
Speaker 3: I was looking down at the ground where the grass
Speaker 3: was cut down. I'm thinking, oh, a horse must ran
Speaker 3: that way, but the grasses all the other ways because
Speaker 3: I was thinking of a horseshoe, right, that's weird. And
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, what animal do I know that would run
Speaker 3: that way that would have a backwards foot? I don't
Speaker 3: know of one. So I'm kneeling there. I've bend down,
Speaker 3: I put my hand in it. I'm feeling around. Well,
Speaker 3: that's pounded into the ground at the time with my
Speaker 3: pack on my rifle. I just had a little camel
Speaker 3: back on. I would say with all that, I would
Speaker 3: probably be two fifty five to sixty. I couldn't dent
Speaker 3: the ground sitting there, Look a little further, grab the grass.
Speaker 3: I pull it up. The foot came in. When it
Speaker 3: lifts off, it's almost I don't know. It didn't rip
Speaker 3: the grass with it. It went into it. I saw
Speaker 3: the middle. I thought that was the end of it.
Speaker 3: I go a little further. That's a tool right there.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say it to it was another impression. I
Speaker 3: pull the grass back, and sitting there, I got my
Speaker 3: rifle in my hand on this side. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: two three four. As I got to four, it started
Speaker 3: dawning on me. That's something right here. As I was
Speaker 3: feeling the fifth impression there right there, at dawned to me,
Speaker 3: I know what this is. I'm looking down. This is
Speaker 3: the other part I wish I could make up. There
Speaker 3: was shit on it, and it looks man shit. There
Speaker 3: was zero smell to it. It was slightly oxidized, there
Speaker 3: was no smell. It had broken. There was hairs stuck
Speaker 3: in it on the outside. And just looking at this there.
Speaker 3: I looked at my truck again. It just brought me
Speaker 3: back right at that moment, to that first time. That
Speaker 3: just made everything real. In that moment, I looked at
Speaker 3: my truck. It's forty yards away. I remember saying it
Speaker 3: in my head, I'm not going to make it. Nothing happened,
Speaker 3: but I was convinced I was going to die for
Speaker 3: no reason. Something was just going to club me over
Speaker 3: the head. That's the end of it for me, right,
Speaker 3: So I get up, run back to the truck, get
Speaker 3: to the trucks projecting shelves out. To this day, there's
Speaker 3: two up there somewhere. I never got a mac threw
Speaker 3: my gun in the back, so he got in the truck,
Speaker 3: pounted it, drive just smashing through things. I picked up
Speaker 3: my phone. I had twenty texts from my ex wife.
Speaker 3: She's like, at home, kids are driving me nuts. She's
Speaker 3: with them all the time. Right ripped down to the
Speaker 3: bottom of the hill. I didn't turn left. I went
Speaker 3: right down into town. Stop at the beer store. I
Speaker 3: text her. I said, I think I've officially lost my mind.
Speaker 3: She's I'm losing my mind. I'm dealing with these kids
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. I'm actually going crazy. She's what's
Speaker 3: going on is I'll explain to you in a minute.
Speaker 3: Pull up in front of the beer store. Leave my
Speaker 3: truck on this the road to run across the road.
Speaker 3: Realized I forgot my bullet, turned around and looked back.
Speaker 3: It looked funny because I'd just come through the rocky
Speaker 3: so I had snow ice hanging off the break cable.
Speaker 3: Had closed the door in such a panic along a
Speaker 3: sapling that was about five feet long. I ripped it out,
Speaker 3: so I was dragging it with the door all through town.
Speaker 3: The root bawl down there, rip the door seal out.
Speaker 3: I was pretty impressed. There. Let an idiot go home.
Speaker 3: Tell her what happened. Next morning, because she had been
Speaker 3: listening to the podcast. I told her the first thing
Speaker 3: that happened to me. She was really interested, and she
Speaker 3: fully believed me because he's you can't even embellish a
Speaker 3: story about a fish and catch. I thought it was
Speaker 3: an eleven inch fish. It wasn't even a foot long.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you. She's we're going
Speaker 3: to go up in the morning and for her daughter.
Speaker 3: We got this little plaster kit you make up. It
Speaker 3: seems dumb. I live on a rock. But you make
Speaker 3: rocks at a plaster and the kids paint them. So
Speaker 3: I thought, I'll take that up there. I'm going to
Speaker 3: cast this. So we get up in the morning, take
Speaker 3: the dog, both the kids. We grabbed a twelve gage
Speaker 3: and have full of slugs. Drive up there. Get out
Speaker 3: of the truck. We're looking around. I go this way.
Speaker 3: She takes off the other side of the truck. The
Speaker 3: kids are running around circles. Now there's kids at all.
Speaker 3: I was running through all the tracks where so I
Speaker 3: can't tell what's what. I could see the track clear
Speaker 3: as day because it had froze at night. When you
Speaker 3: swish grass and freezes, it turns that dead color. When
Speaker 3: I was looking at it at night, you could see
Speaker 3: the pressure marks in it. It's you pick up a
Speaker 3: piece of spinach to push your nail into it. You
Speaker 3: could see that throughout where it was mashed down. Even
Speaker 3: in the daytime. When I'm looking at it, thinking I
Speaker 3: couldn't dent the damn ground, I don't get it. She says,
Speaker 3: what were you doing on the ground over here? Were
Speaker 3: you rolling on the ground over here? Why would I
Speaker 3: be rolling on the ground, Why would I do that?
Speaker 3: She's no, I'm serious, and I walk over there. There
Speaker 3: is a shape. It's weird because I didn't notice any
Speaker 3: tracks coming to it where that was about six feet
Speaker 3: from where my bumper was when I pulled in to
Speaker 3: turn around back up. So in my head, I'm wondering,
Speaker 3: is it possible that that one truck came up field
Speaker 3: up to the right. I came that way. Maybe there
Speaker 3: was something around him going up it hits the back,
Speaker 3: I'm going to sail right by it, but no, I'm
Speaker 3: going to turn around right there, and maybe it's shit.
Speaker 3: It's passed. I almost hit the thing. Is that why
Speaker 3: I felt as someone was staring at my legs? Was there?
Speaker 3: I don't know, That's just what it looks to me.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is from right at that spot
Speaker 3: to where I was, You're only talking twenty yards maybe
Speaker 3: twenty yards probably to where I was to where that was.
Speaker 3: He's looking to the ground and you can see where
Speaker 3: a footprint starts toes would be dug in, and there's
Speaker 3: crap right from there the whole way up, even past
Speaker 3: where I went, And I was just thinking, is that
Speaker 3: a fight or flight thing? I don't know, but all
Speaker 3: I can say is that's what I saw. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I don't think I am
Speaker 3: because I been in the bushel lot. I've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of things that there's only been a handful of
Speaker 3: times where there's things that I can say honestly don't
Speaker 3: make sense. Now. After that, I said, screw it. I'm
Speaker 3: not hunting anymore because this is re ridiculous. Two years past,
Speaker 3: never went hunting. Didn't even want to go fishing, although
Speaker 3: I did go fishing ice fishing, and I'll go to
Speaker 3: that a little later. This is a thing. This is
Speaker 3: troublesome to me because this doesn't happen to people. When
Speaker 3: we saw those tracks up there, we got to cast these.
Speaker 3: I said, no, I'll do it next time I find stuff.
Speaker 3: She says, you got to call somebody. I turned and
Speaker 3: looked at her. I said, what am I going to do?
Speaker 3: Something inside of me? And I didn't tell anybody for years.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to. There was another guy I talked
Speaker 3: to the time wasn't right, I don't know. He made
Speaker 3: a comment and I told him to f off. I
Speaker 3: just hung up the phone. Fast forward a couple of years.
Speaker 3: I was listening to another guy from Canada, here. He's
Speaker 3: got to show a YouTube called how to Hunt. His
Speaker 3: name's Steve Idella. He's a pretty controversial character. He likes
Speaker 3: to call people out. Everybody's an idiot, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But I heard him talking about some of these stories
Speaker 3: because he sounded a little more similar to some of
Speaker 3: the things I'm talking about. He just said what he
Speaker 3: learned to do is you go to a place in
Speaker 3: your mind broadcast your intent. Right again, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't understand that, but put your intent out there.
Speaker 3: If you get this feeling shouldn't be here, just go home, right.
Speaker 3: I just got this idea that I'm going to go
Speaker 3: back up there because I'm not going to drive for
Speaker 3: an hour a half to get somewhere to decide I'm
Speaker 3: going home. I'll drive five minutes. If I got to
Speaker 3: go home, I'll just go home. So I got up there,
Speaker 3: I drove up to where that had happened. I drove
Speaker 3: past it about only eighty yards. I thought, list is
Speaker 3: close enough. I just put it out there. Hey, you
Speaker 3: know me, you know my family. I was thinking it
Speaker 3: out loud right as they say. I got out of
Speaker 3: the truck, I'm standing there, grab my bullets, put him
Speaker 3: in the gun, put my back on a walk twenty yards.
Speaker 3: I'm really putting it out there right asking for a
Speaker 3: deer who I can beat my fan. Only will you
Speaker 3: share with me? As ridiculous as it sounds right now,
Speaker 3: I know that, but I felt okay. So I start walking.
Speaker 3: I go down and now I'm about three and ned
Speaker 3: yards from the truck. I do a quick check in.
Speaker 3: Everything's cool, so I keep going to get down. I'm
Speaker 3: walking out because I'd ridden my side by side way around.
Speaker 3: I know the area a bit right as I'll go
Speaker 3: into that other slash, you know, do a big loop
Speaker 3: up there through the heavy stuff. Everything was great walking
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I just got this something
Speaker 3: just telling me that go back. So I just in
Speaker 3: my head said up, I'm leaving, turned around, got back
Speaker 3: down on the road. That feeling went away. What the
Speaker 3: hell this is ridiculous. I can't even go hunting. I
Speaker 3: walk back. I get to I'm now getting close to
Speaker 3: where my truck is. But I'm on a low road.
Speaker 3: There's a little trail that kicks up, and then there's
Speaker 3: the power line trail that I drove in on. Get
Speaker 3: to the bottom of that look up. There is a
Speaker 3: deer standing there. It's just standing there. That's perfect. Oh
Speaker 3: my gun off my shoulder. It ain't move and it
Speaker 3: doesn't even want to go anywhere. Just shot it and
Speaker 3: dumped it up right there. I thought that was pretty
Speaker 3: odd because I've never even seen a deer up there.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just coincidence, but it was just odd that
Speaker 3: I get up there, not even one hundred yards from
Speaker 3: my truck, right on the road. So I just thought
Speaker 3: that's interesting. I just pulled the guts all the internal
Speaker 3: organs out, left them right there, drove my truck down
Speaker 3: through at the back of the truck, went on. It
Speaker 3: worked out since then they said behind me here as
Speaker 3: hunters range it's called. You can pretty much go all
Speaker 3: the way to Calgary. You won't hit any towns or nothing.
Speaker 3: There's nothing out there. There's a lake up there. Else
Speaker 3: to go ice fishing. In the year before or after
Speaker 3: that deer, I can't remember. I went out there, same thing.
Speaker 3: I drove out around the back side of the lake,
Speaker 3: got out there, rolled my only eye fishing away, caught
Speaker 3: a fish, and I was fishing away a little longer.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden I felt I shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: There's no reason for it. You're fishing away. Everything's cool,
Speaker 3: and all sudden, I'm not supposed to be here. This
Speaker 3: is ridiculous. Really, all my stuff go back to the
Speaker 3: truck drive away. I don't know it makes sense. But
Speaker 3: then you fast forward two. I guess we're two weekends
Speaker 3: ago or three weekends ago. So since been divorced, I've
Speaker 3: got a new girlfriend. She's work in psychology, counseling things
Speaker 3: like that, right, So at this point these are just
Speaker 3: things that have happened. I don't feel I'm crazy with
Speaker 3: it sometimes, but just explaining things that she's I believe you,
Speaker 3: there's nothing to not believe. So oddly enough, three weeks ago,
Speaker 3: maybe it was two weekends and I can't quite remember.
Speaker 3: Saturday in the afternoon, we decide we're going to go
Speaker 3: for a height. We go up to the power lines there,
Speaker 3: but two snowy slid get up. I'm peeling out. We
Speaker 3: only got up to the first little spur road there.
Speaker 3: I got spun around without going over the bank park there.
Speaker 3: Don't leave my phone in the truck, I never bring it,
Speaker 3: So we start walking up the road. She doesn't know
Speaker 3: anything about any of this stuff either. I've just shared
Speaker 3: bits about it, but she's never listened to a podcaster
Speaker 3: and she's more a city type. So we got the
Speaker 3: dog with for walking up that road. We didn't even
Speaker 3: go up there very if you've got to walk slow
Speaker 3: because kind of slipping all over the place. Grounds frozen
Speaker 3: and you got powder on top of it. Right, So
Speaker 3: you get up there and I'm pointing, now, Loie, I've
Speaker 3: seen deer here there, down there, moose here, and then
Speaker 3: I'll see that tree there. I cut firewood there, just
Speaker 3: showing her stuff. We get up to where the road
Speaker 3: dead ends. There's a bit of a clearing it cuts off.
Speaker 3: I said, if you go down there, you'll end up
Speaker 3: in somebody's backyard. Now, one guy there will threaten to
Speaker 3: shoot you. I know that for sure because told me that.
Speaker 3: Or you can go up top net. We'll loop you
Speaker 3: around up to the power lines. I'm pointing our raf.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, dude, a power knock. It's just.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So I don't flinch, I don't do anything inside. I'm
Speaker 3: just like, are you serious? What the hell? I didn't
Speaker 3: say anything. I didn't let on at things. I'm standing there,
Speaker 3: I'm facing away right dog there standing by it. She's
Speaker 3: what was that? I don't know. She's leave why, she's
Speaker 3: I don't feel right? Okay, So we walk out of there.
Speaker 3: The whole time I didn't want to say anything because
Speaker 3: I don't have my truckeees to throw at something. Right,
Speaker 3: So could we start walking back out of there? As
Speaker 3: we get closer to the truck, because yeah, I was
Speaker 3: like mentioning the wood knock thing, she says, are you serious?
Speaker 3: And so she's I want to learn more about this.
Speaker 3: We didn't do any more learning. So we got back
Speaker 3: to the truck, and then I looked at my phone
Speaker 3: the time. I said, do you want to walk a
Speaker 3: little further, we'll go the other way. So we're going
Speaker 3: to go up the other way, leave phone in there again.
Speaker 3: She's why don't you want to bring your phone? I said,
Speaker 3: because if you have a phone with nothing will happen
Speaker 3: if you got a phone or camera. So we walk
Speaker 3: up a little bit further and I don't know, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden ageah this is nothing because I didn't
Speaker 3: notice anything. But she just says I got the same feeling.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here. So we went back.
Speaker 3: That was it went home. Next day, I was going
Speaker 3: to go up to that place that I said I
Speaker 3: went ice fishing. It was pretty cold. He loaded up
Speaker 3: some firewood, was going to go up there and maybe
Speaker 3: go ice fishing. But we got a deep blast here
Speaker 3: a little bit ago, uh maybe a week half about.
Speaker 3: Everything's freezing up the lake ear for some reason. But
Speaker 3: so we pack up, drive up there. Getting into that,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go around the back of the
Speaker 3: lake because if people have been up there a bit
Speaker 3: of snow, there's bad ruts. Turn your wheels and you're
Speaker 3: just be going straight. So I got down into where
Speaker 3: there's a camp area there. Nobody had really been in there.
Speaker 3: Plaze a new trail. There's the picnic tables, the little
Speaker 3: camp fireplace things. So kick the snow off of that.
Speaker 3: We went down by the lake, which is only forty
Speaker 3: yards from that fire pit, just for fun, a little
Speaker 3: bit wooh noise, right, to just show her when it snoiled,
Speaker 3: how dead it is. There's no echo, it's just flat right.
Speaker 3: The sound just disappears. That's pretty cool, right, So we
Speaker 3: should go back up the truck. I get a fire
Speaker 3: going sitting around having a snack. This time I brought
Speaker 3: a shotgun with but it was in the truck. The
Speaker 3: truck's twenty yards away. We're sitting there. We've probably been
Speaker 3: there for about forty five minutes, standing around, dogs barking,
Speaker 3: running all over the place. All of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: got a smell. It's the thing. I've never smelt anything
Speaker 3: before either any of these time. Never smelt a damn
Speaker 3: thing I've heard about this smell. Again, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: any of this is anything. I'm just saying this is
Speaker 3: what happened. So I got a whiff of something, but
Speaker 3: it was weird. It hit me up. It felt between
Speaker 3: the eyes. Almost if you smell something, generally, when you
Speaker 3: breathe more, you'll smell more. This smell ain't coming from anywhere.
Speaker 3: It was only two or three seconds and then it
Speaker 3: was gone. I looked at the fire. The smoke is
Speaker 3: just you know, going this straight up, right up through
Speaker 3: the trees. It ain't blowing from anywhere. Right after that
Speaker 3: smell went away, I said to earlier, with the f
Speaker 3: is that smell? She's like, you smell that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 3: She's been smelling it for a while. She just wanted
Speaker 3: to go. So we get back into the truck again,
Speaker 3: so we're leaving. It was horrendous, but it was there,
Speaker 3: it was gone. It didn't seem it was on the
Speaker 3: wind because there wasn't any wind to carry a scent
Speaker 3: from anywhere. And we get in the truck and were
Speaker 3: going start driving. I waited till we got out of
Speaker 3: there because at one point the truck slide towards the edge.
Speaker 3: This is going to be cool to walk from here.
Speaker 3: I just started mention in the smell. I didn't smell
Speaker 3: it it, it was in my head. I don't know
Speaker 3: what to tell you. That's all I really know, unless
Speaker 3: you go back further. I was saying, in that area
Speaker 3: where all that crap had happened, when I was about eighteen,
Speaker 3: I think I was hunting there at the Junior Tag
Speaker 3: with my dad and we went up there. We hunted
Speaker 3: that area a lot over the years. I many times
Speaker 3: would hear noise talking out in the bush, the kids
Speaker 3: on a playground. Almost one time I remember I went math.
Speaker 3: I said to my dad, I was like, hey, Dad,
Speaker 3: where's the nearest town. He's about eight miles that way.
Speaker 3: Where's the nearest playground? And he looks at me. Do
Speaker 3: you not just hear me? He says, I said, well,
Speaker 3: I heard kids on a playground when we go, oh,
Speaker 3: we're going to get your ears checked. But it was
Speaker 3: weird because he would be a muttering there's nobody around there.
Speaker 3: And then the one evening we went up there. I
Speaker 3: didn't have a trailer at that time. He just propped
Speaker 3: the trees up in the rear bed pocket went across
Speaker 3: the headache rock tarp over that middle of the night,
Speaker 3: that thing just slammed down on us. My dad got up,
Speaker 3: curse and swear and put it all back up again.
Speaker 3: It wasn't windy or anything. It came down a second
Speaker 3: time an hour or two later. Then he ended up
Speaker 3: throwing the sticks away. It's just had the tarp on
Speaker 3: top of us. Sticks broke. The second guy, I don't
Speaker 3: know stuff that's happened. Okay, get or leave it. That's
Speaker 3: all I know.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to when you guys were
Speaker 1: in the camp or during that experience. It came out
Speaker 1: and found something that slapped the side of the Troilok.
Speaker 1: In retrospect, looking back, do you think your dad was
Speaker 1: aware of something. Do you think he was awake? Did
Speaker 1: you ever have a conversation with him about that moment?
Speaker 1: Do you think he heard more than you did? He
Speaker 1: just wasn't willing to tell you.
Speaker 3: You know what is funny is I think so. But
Speaker 3: he's the kind of guy though I've never seen him
Speaker 3: even show signs of being frightened about anything. He could
Speaker 3: have seen one just say I saw a bear. You
Speaker 3: know that's him. I've never had that conversation with him
Speaker 3: because I just know he'd be like, you're an idiot
Speaker 3: type thing. So I just never bothered. But I will
Speaker 3: say my ex wife would talk to him about it.
Speaker 3: The one time. Oddly enough, he went hunting that weekend.
Speaker 3: He was going up to that same place alone. I
Speaker 3: didn't want to go because I'm out. I'm not going
Speaker 3: there anymore. He was gone for nine days. He was
Speaker 3: going to go up there, and he was going to
Speaker 3: go to the cabin up one hundred miles, drop off
Speaker 3: the trailer, come over here, hunt with me for a
Speaker 3: couple of days because he was going to be two weeks.
Speaker 3: He calls me he's leaving home, goes up there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm going up to dead Man's there and I thought, okay,
Speaker 3: cool night one day, goes by the next day about
Speaker 3: one o'clock, people's in the driveway. I said, what the
Speaker 3: hell are you doing here? You're supposed to be hunting
Speaker 3: for eight more days. Oh yeah, no, I figured i'd
Speaker 3: come over here hunt with you. I was like, cool,
Speaker 3: And I hear him talking to my exit at the time.
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, there was a couple of moose screwing
Speaker 3: around outside the train. They kept brushing up against it,
Speaker 3: and that's when way Waife mentioned that to him. Really,
Speaker 3: he never told me anything about that. He never mentioned anything,
Speaker 3: And she's I don't think he really feels comfortable talking
Speaker 3: to you about anything. So you're telling me there was
Speaker 3: moose pushing on your trailer in the middle of the nighties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I could hear him out there to that. I say,
Speaker 3: maybe there was, but I don't know that i'd ever
Speaker 3: heard of it, that they'll go out for a while
Speaker 3: be strewing around outside of your trailer.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it happens to a lot of people. Honestly,
Speaker 1: having the knowledge that I have now about these things
Speaker 1: versus ten fifteen years ago, I'll look back at things
Speaker 1: that happened to me when I was a kid. Things
Speaker 1: people have told me shared with me that they thought, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I had this weird thing happened with a bear. They
Speaker 1: tell you all that if you look back, knowing what
Speaker 1: you know, now.
Speaker 3: Goough, that's probably not a bear. So I think it
Speaker 3: happens to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Man, I think it's important to share these kind of
Speaker 1: stories that all of these things happen. It's the culmination
Speaker 1: of the evidence, the sounds, the feelings. Again, I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. I'm not sure that it's mind speak. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it's these things telepathically communicating with people.
Speaker 1: But I do believe that there is a sixth sense
Speaker 1: that people have. I've talked about it tons of times
Speaker 1: as a copics that I was in the situations that
Speaker 1: have happened to me. I may not be here having
Speaker 1: this conversation had I not listened to my gut. But
Speaker 1: it didn't have anything to do with any kind of
Speaker 1: mind speak, sasquatch or any of those things. I think
Speaker 1: it was just intuition. But I do have an open
Speaker 1: mind to these things. May be something more than we know,
Speaker 1: and may be those abilities. It's happened to too many
Speaker 1: people in too many situations for it not to be something.
Speaker 1: How have you rationalized that in your brain as far
Speaker 1: as that part of your experiences. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: possible that these things are doing that or do you
Speaker 1: think it's something that maybe your sixth sense is trying
Speaker 1: to wake you up, tell you that you're in danger.
Speaker 3: I've spent a lot of time thinking about that. At first,
Speaker 3: that's just weird. I don't know why. I'm a different person,
Speaker 3: And then I was I'm not the same person anymore.
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways. I'm different and I've never
Speaker 3: been a spiritual person. I've never been a lot of things.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but something's changed. Sometimes
Speaker 3: I feel maybe because I forever I was okay, great,
Speaker 3: there's monkeys right now? I don't know because nothing that
Speaker 3: I've experienced makes sense. Why don't I see you? Why
Speaker 3: am I feeling this way? Why are these things happening?
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. And that's why I say. The
Speaker 3: whole subject to me is there's a problem with it.
Speaker 3: There's people that are researchers or quote unquote some of
Speaker 3: them have all the apps ers. Oh it's just an
Speaker 3: undiscovered eight blah blah blah, Okay, that's fair. That's how
Speaker 3: you feel. Do you know this stuff or are you
Speaker 3: speculating because people on the other side of the coin
Speaker 3: are speculating as well. We don't know who's right about anything.
Speaker 3: It's not fair to say you're wrong, I'm right, because
Speaker 3: that's foolish. I'm willing to say at this point something
Speaker 3: tell me that there may be a little more to
Speaker 3: them than Maybe we're capable of quite understanding. Maybe we
Speaker 3: don't understand. I don't understand because my brain isn't wrapping
Speaker 3: around it. So I'm going more and more that way.
Speaker 3: I don't know. To hear less Strouds things. I thought
Speaker 3: he was kind of cuckoo, And when I hear things,
Speaker 3: I'm oh, wait a minute, that happened to me before
Speaker 3: I heard any of that stuff. Again, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you anything because I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can just say I'm not a researcher. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you one thing that I put out there every time
Speaker 3: when I go, Please don't let me see you. I
Speaker 3: don't want to see one. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: a round one. I don't know why I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I have zero interest in it and none. It feels
Speaker 3: like the more I have no interest, then that's why
Speaker 3: last week here knock on? Are you serious? Why? Or
Speaker 3: the smell thing? Why? It could have been any other things.
Speaker 3: I don't want that. I want to go for a walk.
Speaker 3: I want to see a bobcat run up the tree.
Speaker 3: I want to see a moose if I want to
Speaker 3: see that. I don't want these things that are weird
Speaker 3: or creepy, or the these feelings that come over me
Speaker 3: that year that I got that year when I was
Speaker 3: hunting up here. Then I went for Musapa, I hiked
Speaker 3: all around through there, I found frigging caves. I wasn't
Speaker 3: even slightly concerned about anything. Then I'll just go for
Speaker 3: a frigging walk. My tail goes between my legs. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if I have a gun or I don't
Speaker 3: have a gun. It doesn't seem to matter. If you
Speaker 3: were crazy, you'd probably be crazy all the time. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't be It just turns on off that you today,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be schizophrenic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's why I say the whole thing
Speaker 3: to me is a little problematic, because nobody has any
Speaker 3: real good answers none that I can say. You can
Speaker 3: just listen to people go, hey, that's interesting. You either
Speaker 3: choose to say that person sounds genuine if they believe that, Hey,
Speaker 3: maybe that's interesting. That's as far as it goes. So
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts. I don't watch anything really on TV.
Speaker 3: Anytime I watch anything, this is logus. Even with podcasts.
Speaker 3: A lot of times I listened to them. Man, I
Speaker 3: feel you're lying, right, But again, who's to say it
Speaker 3: is telling the truth or a lie. I'm never gonna
Speaker 3: consider myself so I even close to remotely a researcher
Speaker 3: or an investigator enthusiast, I may keep it away from
Speaker 3: me kind of guy. It doesn't go away from my head.
Speaker 3: I've had traumatic things happen and just forget about it.
Speaker 3: It's over done with talked about it, it's gone. This
Speaker 3: isn't going anywhere. That's what troubles me. It's not going away.
Speaker 3: I can talk about it. Then I go somewhere there
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's great, we're here again. This
Speaker 3: is me off actually to stop ruining my days. I
Speaker 3: definitely get it.
Speaker 1: Man, It's one of those things that's part of what
Speaker 1: keeps me coming back to the subject why I love
Speaker 1: it so much. There's a lot of unanswered questions. I
Speaker 1: try to keep my mind open. I am a flesh
Speaker 1: and blood guy, but I've interviewed the guy who said
Speaker 1: he had sex with a sasquatch. There's a place for
Speaker 1: every story. Who am I to say that what this
Speaker 1: person experienced or that person experienced isn't their experience. If
Speaker 1: they believe that they had that experience, I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: it be shared on the show because I think that's important.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experiences. Men
Speaker 1: have had a blast talking to you right on.
Speaker 3: Oh, I enjoyed it. Those great talking to you.
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Speaker 4: and I don't want to be long. We're lopping.
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