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<v Speaker 2>Special Operations, coverts spionage, The Teamhouse with your hosts Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Murphy and David Bark.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, everybody, welcome to episode three three nine of The Teamhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Dave Park here with Jack Murphy.

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<v Speaker 3>Today tonight we're welcoming a good friend of ours, Eric Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric is former Special Forces and security contractor Extraordinary, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're also going to talk a bit about his book,

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<v Speaker 3>Fire Support, a Veteran's Guide to Health, healing and Life

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<v Speaker 3>Beyond Service, which is a phenomenal reference guide for all

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<v Speaker 3>things mental, physical, and kind of spiritual health. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway or thanks and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I appreciate it, guys.

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<v Speaker 6>It's always weird to be on here where most of

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<v Speaker 6>my buddies have already been on your couch in one

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<v Speaker 6>way or another.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, well you're kind of they set the stage

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, and your joy us from the beautiful Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you right now?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm out in the middle of nowhere Arizona?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, looks nice.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, water fasting like a super genius in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How many?

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<v Speaker 4>How many days have you been on this water fast?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on day eight right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll do it once a year and.

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<v Speaker 4>We will and how long will it last for you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'll probably get hungrier because I'm bored around day ten. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you lose all your hunger, so it's not a bad deal.

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<v Speaker 6>But you just missed flavor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, Well we'll get into that because I know

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<v Speaker 3>that that's kind of part of the detox and everything

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<v Speaker 3>else that you know, you champion, Let's talk a bit

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<v Speaker 3>about you. To start out with, what's your origin story?

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<v Speaker 3>How did you grow up and what led you to

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<v Speaker 3>the military?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, my favorite line from a Steve Martin movie, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I was born a poor black child, but I was

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<v Speaker 6>born in West Virginia, you know, seventies, good rough time

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<v Speaker 6>to grow up there, and he grew up hard and quick.

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<v Speaker 6>So as soon as I could, I joined what we

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<v Speaker 6>called the army and ran away from there. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's a great place to learn all your outdoor skills

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<v Speaker 6>and makes a Q course fairly simple at that point

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<v Speaker 6>in time because we know what other selection courses are

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<v Speaker 6>run right there in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was a good place to grow up.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you went into the army, did you know

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<v Speaker 3>about special forces or was it just you wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>go to the army?

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<v Speaker 6>Well that's where I had a smart neighbor who was

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<v Speaker 6>in the nineteenth group, and I went straight in, so

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<v Speaker 6>I had actually never been in another unit. Was in

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<v Speaker 6>nineteenth when I was seventeen years old, got tabbed at

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<v Speaker 6>twenty one. He's six at twenty one, and then said

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going.

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<v Speaker 5>To first group.

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<v Speaker 1>What year did you join?

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<v Speaker 5>An ecstatic about that? So again, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Year did you join the army? Yeah, I'm sorry, what

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<v Speaker 1>what year was that?

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<v Speaker 5>Nineteen eighty seven? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>So you started you went through SFAs and the QS

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<v Speaker 3>part of second and nineteenth correct.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was like selection number four. There were like

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<v Speaker 6>ham sandwiches and it was atrocious. I mean, they really

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<v Speaker 6>hadn't figured out what they were doing yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so as soon as you got your long

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<v Speaker 3>tab you pretty much bailed on the guard or and

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<v Speaker 3>went to act and went to first group.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>All the old guys, I mean, my whole team almost

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<v Speaker 6>was Vietnam guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they're like, get out of here. You know, this

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<v Speaker 5>is fine, you can come back.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, and you're a twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 6>six in nineteenth group back.

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<v Speaker 5>In the nineties, there's nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I immediately rolled into first group there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what was that like for you going to

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<v Speaker 3>first group, going out to Washington State?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I went. I loved Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>I was on a mountain team, which is the best

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<v Speaker 6>spot in the world to be on a mountain team.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we had no money, we had no budget,

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<v Speaker 6>but the climbing team, if they said, hey, just come

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<v Speaker 6>back in a month or two, we would. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>we run out of beer money. But we we got

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of training, in a lot of hiking, in

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of really good mountain ops.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because you have the whole West Coast there to

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<v Speaker 5>work on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I rolled over to Soot team. It's always

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<v Speaker 6>like CQB. It really likes blowing things up. Hence why

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<v Speaker 6>all my TBIs are helping me right now? Did that

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<v Speaker 6>for quite all awesome? You know, great teammates obviously, And

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<v Speaker 6>then we got tired of going to Korea every trip

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<v Speaker 6>because second battalion in first group was the Korea battalian.

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<v Speaker 5>I transferred over to first in Okinawa.

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<v Speaker 6>Then my luck and everybody else's second battalion's luck that

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<v Speaker 6>showed up in first battalion they changed a mission to Korea,

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<v Speaker 6>So our first trips we're.

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<v Speaker 5>All just looking at each other with a glock in

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<v Speaker 5>our mouth or a baretta in our.

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<v Speaker 6>Mouth, going really mind of curb here, you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>hopefully run into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was just fucking bad karma. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>In first group, there was like one battalion that was

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<v Speaker 1>like Korea and Alaska, right, and then the other was

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<v Speaker 1>like Thailand.

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<v Speaker 5>Every trip that was us.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they had all of Asia and we had Korea, Highland, Malaysia, Indonesia,

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<v Speaker 6>you know the nice places, right. You know, I got

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<v Speaker 6>frost fight in first group.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, how do you do that?

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, and then I was on the siff there

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<v Speaker 6>in Okinawa, which was obviously a good time. I really

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<v Speaker 6>really did well there like that did a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the breaching and uh man, we really

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<v Speaker 6>got to get smarter about breaching, which I hope they

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<v Speaker 6>are because I spent half my times at TBI doctors.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, yeah, breaching is just no joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll definitely talk about about that because I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's a big thing. You know, we we've talked about it,

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<v Speaker 3>ah with uh Chuck O'Connor. Yeah, Chuck O'Connor, uh and

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<v Speaker 3>Wining like uh, you know, the over pressure that none

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<v Speaker 3>of us knew, like we we idea, we've.

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<v Speaker 4>All eaten like hundreds.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we see how close we could get.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, super.

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<v Speaker 3>So was you know you you mentioned being on a

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<v Speaker 3>on an S O T team and then going to

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<v Speaker 3>sit That was pretty much a natural progression, right that

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<v Speaker 3>so he became the SIFF.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean SOT is kind of like Sephardic Light.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the same course, just longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And obviously you got to you know, command directed mission,

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<v Speaker 6>which was good.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean you know, and all your budget from there it.

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<v Speaker 6>All went elsewhere, you know, to progress. So it's part

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<v Speaker 6>of you know election.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so what was you know from that time

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<v Speaker 3>that you were in from UH eighty seven eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, through your time and you know, up in

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<v Speaker 3>Korea and then out in oat Canallen and everything. What

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<v Speaker 3>were aside from Korea? What were the missions? What was

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<v Speaker 3>the mission set for first group at that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Was were there a real world?

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of FID, A lot of FID. No, we

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<v Speaker 5>even in a SI if we'd get spun up for something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>but they had cold feet back then. They were scared

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<v Speaker 5>to get committed.

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<v Speaker 6>They would make up excuses, you know, if there was

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<v Speaker 6>a coup somewhere, we'd show up a week later.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like okay, the team's.

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<v Speaker 6>Been here a week, you know, but what they're going

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<v Speaker 6>to do? But yeah, it was just really risk averse.

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<v Speaker 6>It was very annoying and pretty much why I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to get out.

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<v Speaker 1>And so around what year was I that you started

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it? Now?

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<v Speaker 5>It was seven?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, eighty seven or no, sorry, God Blessed America ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>We had big mo as our battalion commander Mulholland, and

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<v Speaker 6>I taught him some army regulations he didn't know, and

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<v Speaker 6>he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>Too happy about it.

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<v Speaker 6>I found out you could if you were not going

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<v Speaker 6>to re enlist, you could request a new ETS date.

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<v Speaker 6>So I did that and he was not polite about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But in a week later he signed it and he goes,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll be back. I said, sir, I won't be back.

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<v Speaker 6>And then after nine to eleven, I saw.

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<v Speaker 5>Him up in.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh oh, what the hell's that airfield? The big one

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<v Speaker 6>there in Afghanistan. David, Yeah, there's told you I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>come back, and he was he was giggling about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we go into like post nine to eleven. Like

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<v Speaker 1>before nine to eleven, you spent some time in West Africa.

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<v Speaker 6>I left first group summer of ninety eight and within

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<v Speaker 5>In Sara Leone.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh okay, back then, there wasn't very many, uh special

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<v Speaker 5>Something, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>After nine to eleven, every brainder brothers a pro, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>And I got hired on.

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<v Speaker 6>To help with the State Department contract where we we

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<v Speaker 6>Leone and Liberia. So me and two other Americans we

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<v Speaker 6>entertained ourselves there for a couple of months, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>fighting the RF and very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of lessons learned. I mean learned more there

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<v Speaker 6>Than I did in group the whole time, because the

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<v Speaker 6>guys we were hanging out with were executive outcomes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>these guys have been fighting since the seventies and we'd

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<v Speaker 6>be like, hey, let's do it this way, and they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 6>we lost like twelve guys and wherever doing that fifteen

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<v Speaker 6>years ago. Like okay, well we won't do that. I'll

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<v Speaker 6>just shut up and sit here. And very professional. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean I saw some of them twenty years later.

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<v Speaker 5>Still in wars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So just great people, really great people. I'll still talk

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<v Speaker 6>to some of them. I mean Kobs Klaus and they're

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<v Speaker 6>in South Africa's he's he's the mur of Africa right now.

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<v Speaker 6>But a great friend of mine. Well did that did Liberia?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean quite a bit of work over there.

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<v Speaker 1>What was I have to like ask like, what was

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<v Speaker 1>that interface like for you as a state department contractor

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<v Speaker 1>with ostensibly or they were a South African private military contractor,

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean officially, our government's like, no, we don't

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<v Speaker 6>But well, there was no state department in seraly On.

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<v Speaker 6>There was probably one case officer and the three of us.

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<v Speaker 6>That was it. One time I answered the phone and

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<v Speaker 6>it was Madeline Albright.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, can I help you? She goes, what's going

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, I handed the phone off immediately to somebody else,

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<v Speaker 6>like I'm not explaining the War of Sara ly owned

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<v Speaker 6>to Madeline Albright.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there was no one there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 5>It was the best war I've ever been in.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, there was no amateurs. One time when we.

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<v Speaker 6>Had to go, you know, go rescue the the folks

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<v Speaker 6>from the librarian embassy, we just showed up at the

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<v Speaker 6>casino the night before and said who wants to make

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<v Speaker 6>some extra money tomorrow? And uh we had French, South African, British,

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<v Speaker 5>It was who's who in the zoo?

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<v Speaker 6>The next morning at the helipad and we took a rock,

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<v Speaker 6>drew it out on the on the hard deck and

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<v Speaker 6>went and did it. That's the kind of guys you

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<v Speaker 6>had back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how how did you.

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<v Speaker 4>Guard against war tourism?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know guys claiming that they had been French

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<v Speaker 3>foreign legion or this, or.

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<v Speaker 5>That we saw them. They wouldn't last a day or two.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they would be gone in no time.

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<v Speaker 5>There were some always and they were typically French.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So but that was a great time. I mean it

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<v Speaker 6>was a nine to five ward too, so that was

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<v Speaker 6>very polite.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>We had Russian cruise with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I got to ask you then to like finish

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<v Speaker 1>the story, like how did the Liberian embassy rescue go down?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 6>You've seen the typical State Department employees sometimes. I remember

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<v Speaker 6>one come running across the hard deck to you know

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<v Speaker 6>how them I seven or in my eightes have those

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<v Speaker 6>little steps on it. When she hit that step, I

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<v Speaker 6>thought we were going to spark rotors. And it was

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<v Speaker 6>just like God bless America, you know it was it

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<v Speaker 6>was entertainment man, and we had it all secured and

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<v Speaker 6>take care of. But uh, just she can't make some

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<v Speaker 6>of this ship up. And uh we left the Marines,

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<v Speaker 6>but we had to come back and get them. And

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<v Speaker 6>now I wish we'd had videos back then. Probably shouldn't have,

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<v Speaker 6>but if we would have, that would just been a

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<v Speaker 6>real you would have played and had done beer shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so.

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<v Speaker 3>We roll into nine to eleven and are you still

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<v Speaker 3>kind of working under the same umbrella, the same you know,

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<v Speaker 3>security style contract and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. At the time, I had a security company and

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<v Speaker 6>I had the Blackheart International Logistics Company, so I would

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<v Speaker 6>do different Iraq in Afghanistan contracts, you know, with varying roles,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of protection, a lot of advising, and tons

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<v Speaker 6>of logistical support.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the main, the main avenue there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we did that for years, did rifle manufacturing. We

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<v Speaker 6>got into way too many things, but that's kind of

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<v Speaker 6>you were chasing the dollar at the time because that

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<v Speaker 6>was the heyday of contracting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And so were you involved with like Afghanistan as soon

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<v Speaker 3>he's that kicked off and then Iraq as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>that kicked off where you kind of focused on one theater.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I did a quick stint training up the Air Marshals.

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<v Speaker 6>They got a whole bunch of US pistol guys to

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<v Speaker 6>immediately go out to Arteesia and start tuning up the

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<v Speaker 6>air marshals. So I did that for a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>months while clearances were getting stood up. As soon as

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<v Speaker 6>that happened, I was. I was in Afghanistan probably summer

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<v Speaker 6>of O two and starting to do work there for

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<v Speaker 6>a couple of years before the Iraq War kicked off.

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<v Speaker 6>But that was the time to be there before it

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<v Speaker 6>got too crazy. Yeah, yeah, that was the pleasant time

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<v Speaker 6>or to you know, after Iraq kind of time in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 3>When you say do you mean uh to laden with

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<v Speaker 3>bureaucracy or do you what do you mean by taking

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<v Speaker 3>When you say too crazy, do you mean too like

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<v Speaker 3>laden with bureaucracy or correct?

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<v Speaker 6>And you could you could get away with anything at

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<v Speaker 6>that time, you know, if you needed a badge, you

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<v Speaker 6>made the badge next slight. You know, you just you

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<v Speaker 6>got you got ship.

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<v Speaker 5>Done, you know. And then years later I'm like, we

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<v Speaker 5>need a new war.

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<v Speaker 6>This is just obnoxious, you know, And you just couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>get anything accomplished.

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<v Speaker 5>And I won't participate in that.

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<v Speaker 6>And oh hell, speaking of that, I forgot I did

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<v Speaker 6>seven months in Haiti before that, we talk about not

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<v Speaker 6>getting anything done.

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<v Speaker 5>It was groundhog day every day.

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<v Speaker 6>Watching the charities fleece their pockets. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 6>bureaucracy and corruption is to disgusting and we both all

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<v Speaker 6>of us have seen that too many times.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it's it was wild.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you mentioned like bogram and it's wild, you

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<v Speaker 3>know seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Disney.

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<v Speaker 3>Drive for instance, go from kind of the wild West

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<v Speaker 3>right to to people getting shoot out for not wearing

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<v Speaker 3>safety belts and you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It took the entire garrison overseas.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, you know first startiants out there writing

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<v Speaker 3>speeding tickets for people on their little gators.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's it's like, is this is this war?

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<v Speaker 1>Is what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Dave, I think that's how we want it, right right?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh wait right, No I don't think so, right, Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 6>everybody just waits us out because they know our bureaucracy

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<v Speaker 6>and bullshit we'll do or do their battle for them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, never destroying it or never interrupt an enemy

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<v Speaker 6>that's busy destroying himself.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they just wait us out. And you and I

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<v Speaker 5>knew that. You knew they were going to do that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we're not good at.

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<v Speaker 1>U W No, we don't, we don't.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't brief well like it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>The power points just don't. Uh you know, if you

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<v Speaker 4>can't talk about how many bodies you stacked or this

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<v Speaker 4>or that?

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<v Speaker 1>Who want?

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<v Speaker 4>Who cares about it? What village was stabilized? Are the metrics?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>No, That's why I love SEF because we can go

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<v Speaker 6>in there and fix all that and people not know

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<v Speaker 6>we did it. Yeah, you know, because we'll trick them

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<v Speaker 6>into it. I don't care how trick them, pay them

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<v Speaker 6>whatever I need to do. But we don't have to

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<v Speaker 6>heavy hammer them all the time. You know, all we

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<v Speaker 6>did was make rebels. I used to stop the guys

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<v Speaker 6>all the time for making more rebels, and we constantly

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, uh so you spent you know, you did Haiti, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Did Afghanistan, and then I'm assuming it with phi Iraq

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<v Speaker 3>kicks off and you guys are involved in that too.

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<v Speaker 6>Then Yeah, almost as soon as it had kicked off,

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<v Speaker 6>I was over there organizing that, trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 6>work with the Brimmer administration doing all that because they

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<v Speaker 6>were new to everything. Also, it's like we hadn't been

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<v Speaker 6>in a war in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, And I'm a big sop guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I love so ops So I was over there pimping

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<v Speaker 6>how to set stuff up quick, and we already had

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<v Speaker 6>all the logistical you know, trail figured out, so it

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<v Speaker 6>was pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 5>So I scored a couple of details over there, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to run those, and you know, helped out with some

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<v Speaker 5>other details and just you know, great guys.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you find any kind of work to stay

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<v Speaker 6>with the bunch, you know, the guys you grew up

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<v Speaker 6>with in the military, and if you're going to get

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<v Speaker 6>paid to drive around with machine guns with them, it's like, sure,

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<v Speaker 6>let's go.

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<v Speaker 5>And I mean some legends, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, it's funny to see the folks on your on

489
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<v Speaker 6>your podcast once in a while. I'm like their heroes, yeah,

490
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<v Speaker 6>you know, and folks have no idea what they've really done.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

492
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's interesting because I think that, you know,

493
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<v Speaker 3>when I went out to the second Italian fiftieth anniversary,

494
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<v Speaker 3>like one of the young Rangers there, because we've been

495
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<v Speaker 3>going like five years now, right, So a young ranger

496
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<v Speaker 3>is like, yeah, I watched your show all through high.

497
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<v Speaker 4>School, which is greatly to me.

498
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's like that's why I went in like

499
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<v Speaker 3>listening to all these rangers and all these so you know,

500
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<v Speaker 3>soft guys and their stories, and it's the way we

501
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<v Speaker 3>would have eaten up, you know, the mac view sog

502
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<v Speaker 3>and and you know, and the Green Beret and you know.

503
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<v Speaker 3>And then he's like and I'm like, oh, that's awesome,

504
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<v Speaker 3>and he goes, yeah, we haven't.

505
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<v Speaker 4>Done a single combat appointment.

506
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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, dude, I'm sorry.

507
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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, man, that's hard to walk around batty in that way.

508
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, but but yeah, you know it, it is fascinating.

509
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<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of times.

510
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<v Speaker 6>You know, I just saw greg Burg took over. I

511
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<v Speaker 6>just saw that little note.

512
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<v Speaker 5>Remember him.

513
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<v Speaker 1>He was my command sergeant major at three seven five.

514
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I think he just took the regiment. So

515
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<v Speaker 5>what great guy.

516
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean he did become the regimental sergeant major,

517
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<v Speaker 1>but that was like two thousand and six or seven

518
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<v Speaker 1>or something.

519
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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I might be dating. I might have hit something wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I've been fasting, so okay, yeah for bbis.

521
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Sergeant Major Birch is an amazing guy, though, but

522
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<v Speaker 1>he's out there. He's retired now.

523
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah good. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, it's probably true. Years

524
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<v Speaker 5>I get all those years mixed up, I really do,

525
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<v Speaker 5>because I still think I'm like twenty nine.

526
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the same, same, Yeah.

527
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<v Speaker 3>And I think another part of that is, you know,

528
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<v Speaker 3>I admire people have like solid memories and remember.

529
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<v Speaker 1>A lot of very specific things.

530
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<v Speaker 4>But for me, it's like kind of like one big

531
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<v Speaker 4>green blur, you.

532
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<v Speaker 6>Know, Yeah, I have to have somebody else mentioned something

533
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<v Speaker 6>and then it'll spark me, you know.

534
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, But a lot of that I tried to forget.

535
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<v Speaker 5>People like you remember this guy, I'm like, nope, not

536
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<v Speaker 5>at all. Yeah, damn sure, not their last names, you know.

537
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So what what did you like?

538
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<v Speaker 3>You know, you when you were in Afghanistan, you thought

539
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<v Speaker 3>we need a new war, and then you got a

540
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<v Speaker 3>new war, you got Iraq.

541
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<v Speaker 4>What was your overall impression of the.

542
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<v Speaker 3>Efforts in Afghanistan in Iraq as time progressed and as

543
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<v Speaker 3>you were not only a witness but a participant in

544
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<v Speaker 3>these wars.

545
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the problem.

546
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<v Speaker 6>I was going between them, and I used to always

547
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<v Speaker 6>call it the Bill of two Wars because incredibly different tactics.

548
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<v Speaker 5>Right, I mean, there's things you could.

549
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<v Speaker 6>Get away with in Afghanistan you wouldn't even dare in Iraq, right,

550
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<v Speaker 6>you know, you'd get a double stacked at.

551
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<v Speaker 5>Mine under you. So it was just so hard to

552
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<v Speaker 5>go back.

553
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<v Speaker 6>And forth and shift gears because I considered Afghanistan as

554
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<v Speaker 6>fairly civilized compared to Iraq and Syria.

555
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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, it was just we weren't we.

556
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<v Speaker 6>Weren't ready for prime time on a lot of it,

557
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<v Speaker 6>you know, and uh two risk averse and there's a

558
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<v Speaker 6>time and a place for that.

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<v Speaker 5>But when when something's got to get done, you got

560
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<v Speaker 5>to hit them hard, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And those were just two distinctly different wars, and they

562
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<v Speaker 6>would send us back and forth between them like they were,

563
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<v Speaker 6>you know, a national Guard weekends. You know, I'm like,

564
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<v Speaker 6>this is not cool. And then we still didn't learn,

565
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<v Speaker 6>I don't think.

566
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<v Speaker 1>And then what did you.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your impression And if you had one of

568
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<v Speaker 3>the ro O s as they started, as they changed,

569
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<v Speaker 3>as they changed, as they changed.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well try to try to deal that with your

571
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<v Speaker 6>host nation, you know. So you know, if you got

572
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<v Speaker 6>your your host guys helping your on your detail, what's

573
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<v Speaker 6>their idea of an r OE?

574
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, so you're you're totally.

575
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<v Speaker 6>Put in a position that I don't think is attainable

576
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<v Speaker 6>or winnable. And truthfully, we just kind of ignored it,

577
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 6>and you know, if the tree fell in the woods.

578
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 6>I learned that in Africa.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know you mentioned that, like Africa was.

580
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<v Speaker 3>An interesting wake up call for you where you tried

581
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<v Speaker 3>to take you know, the the s F you know,

582
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<v Speaker 3>sort of SOPs into a war with warriors who had

583
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<v Speaker 3>been fighting for a long period of time and they're like, no,

584
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 3>like we tried that fifteen years ago or whatever.

585
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 4>How was that?

586
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.559
<v Speaker 3>Then taking what you had learned in Africa into Afghanistan

587
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<v Speaker 3>in Iraq with you know, with US service members or

588
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<v Speaker 3>former US service members who were also going on you know,

589
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<v Speaker 3>not r os, but SOPs developed during Vietnam and afterwards.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it greatly helped. I mean I was light

591
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<v Speaker 6>years ahead of the guys.

592
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

593
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<v Speaker 5>I always used to tease them like, don't worry. I

594
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<v Speaker 5>remember my first war too.

595
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<v Speaker 6>But I was boogered up in Sara Leone, you know,

596
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<v Speaker 6>because I thought I knew my shit.

597
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 5>I was just two weeks out of group.

598
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

599
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<v Speaker 6>And now here's the funny part. When I was flying

600
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<v Speaker 6>into Sara Leone.

601
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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know anything about it. It was two weeks.

602
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<v Speaker 5>I didn't have time to do an area study or

603
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<v Speaker 5>even read a book.

604
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<v Speaker 6>So I'm in ivory coast at a hotel staying to

605
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<v Speaker 6>fly the next day, and I'm in a bar eating

606
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<v Speaker 6>steak and I look across and I see a team

607
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<v Speaker 6>over there getting littered, drinking out of the OP fund.

608
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, okay, you know, they got the little bag

609
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 6>everybody carries the OP fund in, you know, So I

610
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 6>see them drinking out of it. And I finished my

611
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 6>meal and I walk over there. I'm like, where are

612
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 6>you jackasses from? I'm like, oh, we're third group. We

613
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:23.240
<v Speaker 6>just left Sara Leone. I'm like, oh really, oh, And

614
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 6>they sat down and gave me my intel brief, you know,

615
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 6>half littered. But they actually the only time in my

616
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 6>life I've heard of such an issue. They were ordered

617
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<v Speaker 6>to show up at the airfield at like oh dark thirty.

618
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<v Speaker 5>And just leave.

619
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 6>They were on a FID there, and they left their

620
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<v Speaker 6>weapons and como were ordered to And when I got

621
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.359
<v Speaker 6>there the next day, I got their weapons and como

622
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:50.640
<v Speaker 6>and I got in a helicopter.

623
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 5>I flew out to the ocean and I threw it out.

624
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 6>So it's the last thing I wanted there, but they left.

625
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<v Speaker 6>I'm never in my life heard of such an orders. Yeah,

626
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you're you're saying that they didn't like leave

627
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.359
<v Speaker 6>it at the embassy. They left that like a teamhouse

628
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 6>somewhere there was no embassy. Yeah, they left them with

629
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 6>my cutout, you know. Yeah, I had won thirty sevens.

630
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, dude, I know I know how to run

631
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 6>one thirty seven, but I know you're not allowed to

632
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<v Speaker 6>leave one unattended.

633
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<v Speaker 1>So it was like it was like the gardener was

634
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<v Speaker 1>maintaining positive control over the weapons and como a case officer,

635
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<v Speaker 1>that's better better than I was going to say, better

636
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>than nothing.

637
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I'm like, that's PK's.

638
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 5>And MAG fifty eight.

639
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 6>I don't need American weapons in Africa, right, how are

640
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:42.119
<v Speaker 6>you going to feed that?

641
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 5>You know?

642
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.079
<v Speaker 6>R I dumped them in the ocean. I didn't want

643
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 6>to have anything to do with it.

644
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, Wow? I mean did they did? They fly that

645
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>team out commercial and that's why they couldn't travel.

646
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, okay, well no, they see one thirty. Sorry, they

647
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<v Speaker 6>see one thirty. Show them up like in the middle

648
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 6>of the night, left their host nation.

649
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<v Speaker 5>Dude, very irritated.

650
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 6>Wow, And they showed up the every coast and started drinking.

651
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 1>As one does.

652
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 5>The team back in the day.

653
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it makes you wonder.

654
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean it makes you wonder.

655
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>It makes you wonder, like because that was the State

656
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:22.400
<v Speaker 3>Department decision, right, that's not Yeah, nobody, nobody at the

657
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 3>group level is saying, hey, leave your sensitive items behind.

658
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've ever heard of it in my life.

659
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, that's that's something that like the State

660
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Department decided without like considering all of the ramifications of

661
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>like no, get them out right now. Yeah, yeah, you're

662
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you're probably right.

663
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. No. It was strange every day over there. I

664
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 5>can write a book about.

665
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, every day. We know the best one. This is

666
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 6>the best one on the whole trip. We're Me and

667
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 6>my buddy were gassing up the helicopters one day over

668
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 6>the main international airport. You know, they offload on the

669
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 6>little stairs because they don't have the terminals. And here

670
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 6>comes E one Marine or E two Marine walking off

671
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 6>there with his duffel bag and his greens. I'm like, John,

672
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 6>I think he's in the wrong place, and we go

673
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 6>over there and get him. He thought he was.

674
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 5>Going to Liberia.

675
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, well, you're in Sarah Leone actually, and you

676
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 6>can't get there from here.

677
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 5>So we kept him for a week, and we made

678
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:23.400
<v Speaker 5>him work with us.

679
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.639
<v Speaker 6>And I would love to meet that young marine and

680
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 6>get his story because.

681
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 5>It would be epic. That's why I didn't want to leave.

682
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 5>I bet we had.

683
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 6>Him in civilian clothes, carrying him bag fifty eight, partying.

684
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 5>Every night, flying every day. I would I don't even

685
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 5>know his name. I don't even remember his name.

686
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 3>He can't called me anytime, did I How did you

687
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 3>guys manage I mean did he manage to? Obviously, like

688
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.599
<v Speaker 3>whoever was waiting for him in Liberia thought he was

689
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>a wall.

690
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 5>We called the embassy, so you got you hooked him up.

691
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 5>He took him later.

692
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we weren't going there all the time. Yeah, it

693
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 6>was like a week, week and a half later. We

694
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 6>made a special trip and took him to the embassy

695
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 6>down there.

696
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:16.400
<v Speaker 5>Before we evacuated it. Yeah so yeah, yeah, we we

697
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 5>let him know.

698
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, because we talked to the embassy all the time

699
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:21.840
<v Speaker 6>down there because they were scared.

700
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>That's wild.

701
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

702
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.119
<v Speaker 1>I love all that kid's story. I mean, he's obviously

703
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>not a.

704
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 4>Kid now, yeah you know no, Yeah, he's.

705
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 6>Forty fifty, twenty five years later, but yeah he's I

706
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 6>bet he's a legend in the core.

707
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're right. Nobody though, No, that's the thing.

708
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 4>Nobody's going to believe that ship at all.

709
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of thing people lie about all the time.

710
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and he's a real deal.

711
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's funny. Yeah, that's great that that would make

712
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>like a great movie or something.

713
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 5>Oh. I can still see him getting off the plane

714
00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 5>right now. I mean he's comical. Both our jaws dropped.

715
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 5>We like, what the fuck is that? It's a marine flueless?

716
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Who to uh put a little bit of like a

717
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.679
<v Speaker 1>finger on it. I mean we had this conversation about

718
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.199
<v Speaker 1>how you learned so much from that conflict and working

719
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>over there, Like what were like some specific like lessons

720
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 1>learned that you kind of carried over into subsequent deployments.

721
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Put whether it's like operational planning or reconnaissance or tactics.

722
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 6>Tactics I mean helicopter use. I mean we were getting

723
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 6>shot at all the time, and you know, we'll do

724
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 6>a speedball.

725
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 5>They're like, don't you dare do a speedball?

726
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 6>You land, You land as quick as you can, unload

727
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 6>debt burd and get the hell out of there, you know,

728
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, just helicopter operations under fire different than when

729
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 6>you're not under fire.

730
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you need to be very competent. You need to

731
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.599
<v Speaker 5>know how the doors work, everything works, You need to

732
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 5>know your load plan. You don't have time to sit there.

733
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 6>And figure it out. And that's the choppers we were

734
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 6>using in Afghanistan too, and some in the Iraq. So

735
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 6>I was I was a pro at the MS, Yeah,

736
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.119
<v Speaker 6>because then things can lift anything if you get a

737
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:13.000
<v Speaker 6>little bit of runway.

738
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dmitri, our producer is asking us to talk about

739
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>what a speedball is. Do you want to answer that, Eric.

740
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 6>Or do you want me to Well, I mean that

741
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 6>was our resupply, a prepackage of a resupply of ammo,

742
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 6>food and water and essentially throw it out of the helicopter.

743
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 1>It's usually like MRIs and water and ammunition stuffed into

744
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>a Duffel bag, right, and the bird just comes down,

745
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 1>hovers ten feet off the deck, They push it out

746
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 1>and then they fly away.

747
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, which makes a very good target.

748
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

749
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.599
<v Speaker 6>They're like safer to land, drop it off and then

750
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 6>take off again.

751
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because we had a lot of Essay seven.

752
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 6>Problems over there, and you know, they weren't competent, which

753
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:59.000
<v Speaker 6>was gold But there's always lucky.

754
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 4>Right, you know, right Golden beb you know.

755
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:02.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, totally.

756
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean that it was comical two or three of

757
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 6>us could make three or four hundred of them run away,

758
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 6>and that makes you feel good.

759
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 5>But you're like, wow, what if they actually knew what

760
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.039
<v Speaker 5>they were doing? Yeah, yeah, they would annihilate us.

761
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 6>But they were pretty much all on drugs and just savages,

762
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:21.920
<v Speaker 6>a lot of savagery.

763
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were doing some nasty stuff at that time.

764
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.599
<v Speaker 1>You guys in the executive outcomes, guys did the world

765
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of favor by beating them back.

766
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 5>Unheard of. I mean, you just don't even want to

767
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 5>know what they were going over there.

768
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what you know? You mentioned the m I being

769
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 3>an airframe used in both in Africa and then in

770
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 3>Iraq and Afghanistan. Do you do you feel as though

771
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the US should have given that a harder look, especially

772
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 3>like especially like in Afghanistan with the elevation is shoes,

773
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, and a lot of our birds having issues

774
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 3>with the maintenance whatnot.

775
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maintenance, we had no down days, but those.

776
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 6>One time we needed a new engine, so they found

777
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.400
<v Speaker 6>one in a warehouse that had been in a warehouse

778
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 6>for like ten years put it in.

779
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 5>One day we needed a windshield.

780
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 6>They flew out to a shot down helicopter, pulled the

781
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 6>windshield off, put a new one on, and we flew off.

782
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 6>I mean we had zero down hours. Yeah, everything's hydraulic

783
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 6>or not hydraul cable. And they were beast. I think

784
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 6>we should have them one hundred percent. Yeah, They're a

785
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 6>beast and they cost.

786
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.679
<v Speaker 5>Nothing compared to anything we have.

787
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and if you could fill it up and you

788
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 6>had a little bit of runway you could take off.

789
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, great helicopter.

790
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 3>So you know, was there anything in particular that happened

791
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 3>in either Afghanistan or Iraq that that you know, you

792
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.360
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about, any cool stories, funny stories, anything

793
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 3>that kind of like triggers you at times.

794
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 6>Well what triggered me was that pull out. Yeah, wow,

795
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 6>that was astonishing. Yeah, you couldn't have done that any worse.

796
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, and I know some.

797
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.239
<v Speaker 6>Of the people that were involved with that, you know,

798
00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like, you made that decision astonishing. While we

799
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 6>still don't have boggroom, which I hear they're going to

800
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:32.280
<v Speaker 6>give it back.

801
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 5>Who knows what.

802
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 6>That deal is, right, you know, just incredibly bad and

803
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 6>I've been talking to some of the young kids that

804
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 6>were over there during that and they're having problems, Yeah,

805
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 6>because what they saw was atrocious. And our boys and

806
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.559
<v Speaker 6>the Tiger Stripes are the only ones that kept that

807
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:56.960
<v Speaker 6>airfield from falling. Yeah, and without those guys that host

808
00:40:57.039 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 6>Nation unit there, it would have been really bad, even

809
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:00.760
<v Speaker 6>though it.

810
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.639
<v Speaker 5>Was pretty horrendous.

811
00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.800
<v Speaker 6>So I try to pigeonhole all that stuff. I mean,

812
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.880
<v Speaker 6>we had great guys, but I think we lost them

813
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 6>for no reason. You know, I've been to too many

814
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 6>of the Arlington funerals there. I'm like, this was bullshit.

815
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:15.079
<v Speaker 5>You know.

816
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.239
<v Speaker 6>I wanted to leave Afghanistan and five because I'm like,

817
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 6>we're done. You're not taking Afghanistan. Come on, You're an

818
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.400
<v Speaker 6>asshole to think you are. And you know I'm in

819
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 6>to get in and get out, you know, and then

820
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 6>just have the grids just keep sending jay dams later.

821
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't care. But a lot of this stuff I

822
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 5>think we've perpetrated.

823
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 6>So I'm kind of against the whole Ukraine angle and

824
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 6>the Yemen angle and all that. I'm like, we're making

825
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 6>messes out of the place. Yeah, I'll take their arguments

826
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 6>on that. I'll take them to task.

827
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I think the.

828
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, the it wasn't until we had Froedzec's wife.

829
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.079
<v Speaker 3>That was the first time I think I ever heard

830
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 3>the term moral injury.

831
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 1>She's going to be back to the end of the month,

832
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>fantastic with a bunch of people who got the TBI

833
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>legislation written into the NDAA this last year. She'll be here,

834
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.519
<v Speaker 1>unlike the like I think the twenty sixth I'll check

835
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.079
<v Speaker 1>it out. But yeah, later this month.

836
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 3>But and and but that was the first time I

837
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 3>had ever heard the term moral injury. And I think

838
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 3>that that is a very good term, or very precise

839
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.519
<v Speaker 3>term for what a lot of veterans and people involved

840
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.519
<v Speaker 3>with Afghanistan felt with that pull out.

841
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, it's just I know you're going to have

842
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 6>to do it, but do it like you actually are

843
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:54.559
<v Speaker 6>adults and you plan something.

844
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

845
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 6>It was just obnoxiously embarrassing and gave everybody also green light,

846
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, like you can't even leave a place, you

847
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 6>can't invade it, right right.

848
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>H D says it's April twenty fourth, is when Kate

849
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Rockline can some of the other folks who are involved

850
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 1>in that legislation.

851
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Will be in here and I'm sorry, Kate, like for

852
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, you're not you're somebody more than Rhodes ex wife.

853
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>That's just yeah, no, I get it. We couldn't recall.

854
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:30.639
<v Speaker 3>Your last name, and I'm sorry for that, but but yeah,

855
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 3>it's so.

856
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 4>What was so barring?

857
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 1>What triggers you?

858
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't said that, But are there any light other

859
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 3>memories that you'd care to share that maybe aren't you.

860
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 4>Know, as traumatic? You know, I'm sure there were good

861
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 4>times too.

862
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 5>Right, Oh, yeah, it's great times.

863
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, when you get to work with

864
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:00.000
<v Speaker 6>the guys that are solid, I mean, that's what everybody missed.

865
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 6>Is more than any of this PTSD stuff, I think

866
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 6>is just working with competent guys under pressure, with real

867
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.800
<v Speaker 6>world issues. You know, we're not used to just sitting

868
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:15.440
<v Speaker 6>around on a park bench in a park, you know,

869
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 6>and I think that causes more of us issues than anything.

870
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 6>But no, there was great stuff over there, but a

871
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 6>lot of it was, you know, bookmarked by being limited

872
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 6>by their either risk aversion, or incompetence or pretty much ignorance.

873
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 6>They didn't know how this kind of warfare was and

874
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 6>that makes people scared, and that means, you know, the

875
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.440
<v Speaker 6>best times was is when the boss would say, hey,

876
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.840
<v Speaker 6>come back in a week or two, Roger, that I'll

877
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 6>find something to do, you know, And you go around

878
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:58.159
<v Speaker 6>and you sort things out, drop off all the phones

879
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.320
<v Speaker 6>to a local oda, and do it again.

880
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and you know it's just big boy rules. Early.

881
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.639
<v Speaker 6>Nowadays, I don't think the boys are having that much fun.

882
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.079
<v Speaker 6>I think there's there's too many people watching in your ears,

883
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:15.440
<v Speaker 6>too limited. But back early, you could actually, you know,

884
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 6>be a professional and look at a situation and go,

885
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 6>this is how we should handle this. To other people agree,

886
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.079
<v Speaker 6>you go and do it, and you know, there's there's

887
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.360
<v Speaker 6>nothing wrong with that. But that's that's a lot of freedom.

888
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 6>And they trust you for your judgment. I always said

889
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:33.119
<v Speaker 6>that you're not you're not paying me to do the job,

890
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 6>you're paying me to have good judgment. Yeah, and uh,

891
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, I think we've always did a good job there.

892
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you've had plenty of the other guys on here.

893
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure they'll say or have said the same thing,

894
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 6>and that that's what I remember. You know, there's good,

895
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 6>good jobs, bad jobs, but being trusted with that is

896
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 6>always impressive.

897
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, nobody knows.

898
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, when did when did things start winding down

899
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:12.719
<v Speaker 3>for you personally, and was there a reason.

900
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 1>That they did?

901
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 5>That was its own special nightmare.

902
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 6>So while I was doing all those trips, I was

903
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 6>still running those other companies. So you talk about overtasking

904
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 6>to deal with your own anxiety or traumas. Yeah, you know,

905
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 6>I was working myself into the grave. And today's my

906
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 6>son's birthday. But I remember that little jack ass one day.

907
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.840
<v Speaker 6>I sold the company in twenty thirteen, and two days

908
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 6>later I got divorce papers and I'm like, what.

909
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 5>The fuck's going on here?

910
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 6>My son walks by, he goes, Dad, you didn't see

911
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 6>that coming. I'm like, no, obviously, you know I supposed

912
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 6>to hook a brother up here. Been a little busy,

913
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 6>and yeah, it just you know, you know, it doesn't

914
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.519
<v Speaker 6>come in threes, it comes in piles sometimes. So I

915
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 6>got out of the contracting, sold that company, and just

916
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:09.920
<v Speaker 6>had to had to rebuild everything.

917
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 5>You know.

918
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.719
<v Speaker 6>I was a bitter man for a while. Hence you'll

919
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:14.719
<v Speaker 6>notice that in the book.

920
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 5>I admit it. But you know, there's just we didn't

921
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 5>understand any of this. Uh I don't. I don't even

922
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.199
<v Speaker 5>like the term PTSD.

923
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 6>It's just when you get disappointed, you know, you don't

924
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 6>need to know the reason you're disappointed.

925
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.559
<v Speaker 5>But when you work like a.

926
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.199
<v Speaker 6>Slave and then everything crumbles down, you're like how and

927
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:38.320
<v Speaker 6>why did that happen?

928
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.119
<v Speaker 5>You know, But that's just the life lesson. You got

929
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 5>to roll with it.

930
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and years later it makes total sense Now I

931
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 6>have no problem with it.

932
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 5>You know.

933
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.760
<v Speaker 6>It was a very hard lesson, but I learned a

934
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.440
<v Speaker 6>whole lot to help a lot of other people with.

935
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

936
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 6>For the time, I was like fucking neer ambush and

937
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 6>just kept running from ambush to ambush.

938
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 4>So let's let's talk about the book a little bit.

939
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's if we can, let's start with your

940
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:16.119
<v Speaker 3>journey when you know whether, because we're talking about so

941
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 3>many different things, right, We're talking about post amount of stress.

942
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about operator center, We're talking about not being

943
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 3>around the guys living on the edge.

944
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.239
<v Speaker 4>With this pure mission anymore.

945
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about TBIs, Like there's such a morass, a

946
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 3>stew of stuff that's combined.

947
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 4>How do you pull it apart?

948
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.719
<v Speaker 3>And it's also insidious that sometimes like we don't even

949
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 3>realize we're going through it right until somebody else, until

950
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:51.639
<v Speaker 3>somebody else goes hey, like that's not normal.

951
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, these days, I can an idea guy by just

952
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 6>looking at him.

953
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I'll sity down.

954
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, hey, talk to me and I'll get them

955
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 6>into treatment immediately. And people I have no I don't

956
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 6>know them from Adam, but I can I can see

957
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 6>it like reading.

958
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 5>A book, just like.

959
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:16.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's intuition or something.

960
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but I can see it in.

961
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.119
<v Speaker 6>A guy's eyes. You know, they're just they're just dead, yeah,

962
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, and I can turn them around pretty quick.

963
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 6>I mean I think again, I'm you know, tooting my

964
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 6>own horn. But you know, I've always wrote books because

965
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.079
<v Speaker 6>I hate relearning something. So in all units I was in,

966
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.159
<v Speaker 6>I would write so ops that I wouldn't ask to write.

967
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I don't care.

968
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.679
<v Speaker 6>You know, we're going to write the breaching sop or

969
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 6>the I wrote a JSOP for first Battalion and the

970
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 6>three fifty third, you know, the MG fifty threes, because

971
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.079
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, we're a joint unit. No one knows how

972
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.360
<v Speaker 6>to do repelling ops or resupply ops or jump off.

973
00:49:57.400 --> 00:49:59.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, we just didn't have a menu on it.

974
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 5>I'm like, we have to have an SOP on everything.

975
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 5>You know, and I've done tons of.

976
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 6>The weapons manuals because I despise the old fms with

977
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 6>pencil drawn guns, you know, So I redid all that

978
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 6>for a lot of the different organizations. But with this one,

979
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 6>these were I took my notes because I don't want

980
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.599
<v Speaker 6>to recross bridges, and I just kept writing my own

981
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.800
<v Speaker 6>notes and I kept I think it kept my busy

982
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 6>mind good to go too. But I want to be

983
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 6>able to always hand something to somebody else if I

984
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 6>don't have time to explain it. And this thing turned

985
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 6>into a beast. I mean, it's five hundred freaking pages

986
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 6>without one picture.

987
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.840
<v Speaker 5>So I just want.

988
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 6>Guys to have a place as a reference book to

989
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 6>get the quick on it and then detailed search on

990
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:51.960
<v Speaker 6>their own.

991
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.960
<v Speaker 5>You know, they don't have to read the whole book.

992
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 5>They can read a couple of paragraphs.

993
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, And that's I mean.

994
00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 3>And that's the thing is that the book it's not

995
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 3>it's not laid out like a self help book. It's

996
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 3>it's laid out so I can go, you know, in

997
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 3>alphabetical order, like buy, and I can go, uh, post

998
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:11.840
<v Speaker 3>my extress, let me look.

999
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:13.960
<v Speaker 4>It up, and then a list of you know, and

1000
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 4>all all the different things.

1001
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 1>But that's the book they should give guys when they're etsing.

1002
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 5>I know it's a transition book.

1003
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 6>Because in the back, I I have all the reference

1004
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 6>books I read for this. I mean I read I

1005
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:29.119
<v Speaker 6>don't even know how many freaking books to steal this

1006
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.880
<v Speaker 6>information from. So I want them to look in the back,

1007
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 6>find the book, and then go for it. But you know,

1008
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 6>I remember a marine combatant long time ago said put

1009
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 6>your TMS and fms by the bathroom, and more education

1010
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 6>through more defecation. I was like, that's moronically simple, but true.

1011
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1012
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 6>So they're just like a one bathroom trip vignette of

1013
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 6>each subject, and you know, and that's too much.

1014
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 5>I can't help.

1015
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 3>You well, and honestly that that's a good point. Not

1016
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 3>to minimize this book in any way. But this book

1017
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 3>is great bathroom reading because that's because you don't there's

1018
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 3>no like, there's no where was I last time? Like

1019
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:16.639
<v Speaker 3>whether you can just open it up and go, oh,

1020
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Niasin and just start reading about Niosin and oh fuck,

1021
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.960
<v Speaker 3>like this might be something I want to look in.

1022
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:26.639
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's it's great for that, you know,

1023
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:28.920
<v Speaker 3>it's a great reference.

1024
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.679
<v Speaker 6>Our guys are smart, but they still have short attention spans. Sure,

1025
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, it was just a way of the times

1026
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 6>are right now with these damn telephones.

1027
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 5>Sure, so yeah, I wrote it that way, you know.

1028
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:44.760
<v Speaker 5>And I really wanted to write the real self help book, but.

1029
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:46.559
<v Speaker 6>I ran into so many of these that I would

1030
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 6>need to explain so much that book would have been deluded.

1031
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 6>So I wanted to write this one first and writing

1032
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 6>the other one that I actually wanted to write years ago,

1033
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, on how I'm doing it and what I

1034
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 6>do today, what I do this week, what I do

1035
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 6>that month, you know, like sit out here and be thirsty.

1036
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.840
<v Speaker 3>So Eric, let's let's if you don't mind, let's like

1037
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about like your journey.

1038
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 4>Did you know, at what point did it come.

1039
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.519
<v Speaker 3>To your awareness that whether it was post traumatic stress,

1040
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.280
<v Speaker 3>whether it was tbi's, whether it was you know, moral injury,

1041
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 3>that that something was off kilter.

1042
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 5>Well, it was an example I saw I was like maybe.

1043
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.559
<v Speaker 6>A nineteen year old, you know, in the guard there,

1044
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.960
<v Speaker 6>and one of the old Vietnam guys took me hunting

1045
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 6>one day. So we're out there hunting and I come

1046
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.119
<v Speaker 6>around and I see him sitting over there on a log,

1047
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 6>just crying his eyes out.

1048
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 5>I didn't know what the fuck was going on, so

1049
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:51.679
<v Speaker 5>I didn't know what to do. I just pulled back,

1050
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:52.920
<v Speaker 5>waited until he.

1051
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 6>Settled down, you know, half an hour later, and I

1052
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.079
<v Speaker 6>walked over like nothing happened.

1053
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 5>I had no idea. I never seen anything in my life.

1054
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.320
<v Speaker 6>And he was over one hundred and first and s

1055
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 6>F guy, you know, hard, hard fighting guy, Hamburger hill guy.

1056
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.559
<v Speaker 6>And I never saw it again. And then one day

1057
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 6>I took my son hunting. He was the one or two,

1058
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 6>and he fell asleep and I broke down like a bitch,

1059
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 6>like what is going on here? And that's when I

1060
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 6>started to talk to the old guys, so, hey, what

1061
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 6>the hell is going on here?

1062
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:22.519
<v Speaker 5>Man?

1063
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 6>And I didn't believe him for a long time, you know,

1064
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 6>but it's just there's no there's no easy way, you know.

1065
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 1>You're what did the old timers tell you?

1066
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:35.119
<v Speaker 6>Like?

1067
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 1>How was? I think it's very interesting because of their generation,

1068
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.159
<v Speaker 1>and they didn't have access to all the treatments we have.

1069
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Right the way they looked at it or dealt with

1070
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 1>it and lived with it is maybe a little bit

1071
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>different than us. I'm just curious to hear what you

1072
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 1>learned from them.

1073
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't anything I would give his advice, stuck it up,

1074
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.199
<v Speaker 6>it'll get better, drink ignore it.

1075
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:00.679
<v Speaker 5>That was horrible.

1076
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean they had no way to deal with it, right,

1077
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 6>you know here they had a VFW where you had

1078
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:06.920
<v Speaker 6>cheap beers.

1079
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's a great idea.

1080
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 6>Let's all have issues and then go drink until we're

1081
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:13.760
<v Speaker 6>littered and not spend much.

1082
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 3>And you know, and you know, we talk about the

1083
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:25.519
<v Speaker 3>moral injury of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but regardless of that,

1084
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 3>we lived in an age or we live in an

1085
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:33.880
<v Speaker 3>age where, probably because of the shame of the way

1086
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Vietnam veterans were treated, everybody, regardless of whether they believe

1087
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 3>it or not, everybody is very quick to say thank

1088
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 3>you for your service. Right, So when you when you

1089
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 3>talk about when you talk about Vietnam veterans, you're talking

1090
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 3>about that wasn't a thing and they and you want

1091
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 3>you want to talk about moral injury. You're talking about

1092
00:55:55.840 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 3>coming back to a culture that that was very against

1093
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.679
<v Speaker 3>what you were doing there. And even if people were

1094
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.679
<v Speaker 3>against what we were doing in Iraq or Afghanistan, they

1095
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.079
<v Speaker 3>still want to They don't want to. It's not personal

1096
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 3>it's like, no, thank you, I appreciate what you did.

1097
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:15.119
<v Speaker 4>I just don't agree.

1098
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 3>But they didn't even have that right, Yeah, no.

1099
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 5>It had to be the worst. Yeah, I had to

1100
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 5>be the worst. But I don't like the superficial stuff.

1101
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I've had a lot of people go, Eric,

1102
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 6>what do you need?

1103
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 5>How can I help?

1104
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 6>Those are the supporters you need, you know, And I've

1105
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 6>been amazed by that, you know, And I've gotten a

1106
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 6>lot of my buddy's help that way.

1107
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1108
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:39.239
<v Speaker 6>I'll call those same people up and go, hey, I

1109
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 6>got a buddy he this has to be done, and

1110
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 6>they won't even flinch.

1111
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.159
<v Speaker 5>They just was he need?

1112
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1113
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 5>You know. So it's so much better now.

1114
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 6>And part of the pisser is, I mean there's forty

1115
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:57.679
<v Speaker 6>five thousand veterans organizations now, so it's like where does

1116
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 6>a guy even go?

1117
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 5>So that's the part I have to write a little

1118
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 5>better in the book. I'm going to do an annex

1119
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 5>on it. Yeah, because where does the guy start? You know?

1120
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 6>And most of these foundations only do one thing, right,

1121
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:09.400
<v Speaker 6>so I don't need that one thing.

1122
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.400
<v Speaker 5>They don't help you. I'm like, well that's the wrong answer.

1123
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.960
<v Speaker 6>You know. And in the front of the new edition

1124
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.039
<v Speaker 6>of this I put in there like, Hey, if you're

1125
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Speaker 6>going to help guys, this is how you have to

1126
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 6>trioge it.

1127
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 5>You know, just don't do it to feel good.

1128
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:27.239
<v Speaker 3>Right, So let's talk about if you you're okay talking

1129
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 3>about it, let's talk about your journey and the trioge

1130
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 3>because again we are talking about post traumatic stress and

1131
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 3>TBIs and opera like, there are so many different things

1132
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 3>going on, right, and how you know, we talked about

1133
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, how many door breaches we've all eaten on

1134
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:50.519
<v Speaker 3>these direct actions, uh hundreds just and and and the

1135
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.679
<v Speaker 3>effect of that TBI And where does the TBI end

1136
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:56.480
<v Speaker 3>and the post traumatic star.

1137
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:57.559
<v Speaker 1>And and and.

1138
00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:58.719
<v Speaker 4>How do you pull it apart?

1139
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 3>And how do you treat this multi not only multi symptomatic,

1140
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 3>but multi origin, right, there's multi.

1141
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 5>Cause was complex. It was very complex. Yeah, And that's

1142
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 5>where there was no path, you know, right.

1143
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:18.760
<v Speaker 6>And that's where I've kind of guinea pigged myself on

1144
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 6>so many of these different modalities as kind of a

1145
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 6>reason to keep kicking, you know, because you get war

1146
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.960
<v Speaker 6>out because some of these modalities, if you get them

1147
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 6>out of order, it actually is worse.

1148
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:36.119
<v Speaker 5>Than if you didn't do them because it gives you hope,

1149
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 5>and then it doesn't work right.

1150
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 6>So now you're like, holy shit, I just wasted forty

1151
00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 6>five days and mirk thirty minutes a day, five days

1152
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 6>a week, and I don't feel any right.

1153
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.559
<v Speaker 5>It really makes you go, who the hell's running this?

1154
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:54.119
<v Speaker 5>You know?

1155
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 6>So I think what I've been trying to do is

1156
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 6>to figure out a triage message method to teach guys.

1157
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:03.480
<v Speaker 5>I've still got my speech impediment.

1158
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:07.559
<v Speaker 6>But I'm going to a different brain treatment center next

1159
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 6>month for an actual whole month, So I'm still rating

1160
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 6>the trioge protocol.

1161
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 5>But what I've learned recently, and it's it's hard to

1162
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 5>nail that, Dave.

1163
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 6>Well, what I've discovered recently is you have to realize

1164
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:29.519
<v Speaker 6>your consciousness, and that in my suspect, in my view

1165
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 6>of what happened is we're just put into this meat suit.

1166
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:34.360
<v Speaker 5>For this trip.

1167
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 6>And I think that helped me a lot, going Okay, well,

1168
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.159
<v Speaker 6>I'll get to do this again somewhere else. I hope

1169
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 6>I don't show up in Haiti or somewhere and it

1170
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.920
<v Speaker 6>lets you go, Okay, I understand. Then I got to

1171
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.800
<v Speaker 6>fix my reality. How do I change what's good and

1172
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.280
<v Speaker 6>bad in my reality that I get to choose. And

1173
00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 6>then now, how do I fix the body because we've

1174
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 6>damaged it so much reaches and SPG ninees and mortars

1175
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:06.440
<v Speaker 6>and i eds, there's no way around it. You know,

1176
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 6>you're you're not tough enough, tough and out over pressure, right,

1177
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 6>And I'm finding some of these modalities work, but I

1178
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 6>think we're doing them in the wrong orders. So that's

1179
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 6>why I want to finish these last couple and then

1180
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 6>really be hard digged about forcing these organizations to do

1181
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:27.559
<v Speaker 6>it in a triage manner, because these guys have to

1182
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.920
<v Speaker 6>know that there's there's light at the end of the tunnel.

1183
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 6>It's not just we're sending you to one you know,

1184
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 6>it's like some of these they'll send you to fishing

1185
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 6>for a weekend.

1186
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't fix a.

1187
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.039
<v Speaker 1>TV I in right, you know, what do you what

1188
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.119
<v Speaker 1>do you see as the triage order? Because like I

1189
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.159
<v Speaker 1>remember talking to one person at one point who told

1190
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>me that they found with veterans, the first thing they

1191
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:52.880
<v Speaker 1>have to treat is the substance abuse because that that

1192
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.079
<v Speaker 1>will kill them right off. That's the thing that's going

1193
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to kill you first, right, Yeah, and then you're getting lucky.

1194
01:00:58.039 --> 01:00:59.960
<v Speaker 5>I don't smoke, drink, I don't do any of that.

1195
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 5>You know, I'm pretty boring, but yeah, if you don't

1196
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 5>do that, you're boogered.

1197
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 6>You can't get a guy to because you constant inflammation.

1198
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.320
<v Speaker 6>And I called it daily detox. You know, we we

1199
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:13.920
<v Speaker 6>have so many chemicals in US, or heavy metals in US,

1200
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 6>or or just shitty food. You can't get the brain

1201
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.079
<v Speaker 6>to work right if it's constantly inflamed. And uh, I

1202
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.559
<v Speaker 6>mean they think how many times you sucked up an

1203
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:26.599
<v Speaker 6>RPG exhaust?

1204
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:29.880
<v Speaker 5>None of that's good for you, you know.

1205
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.639
<v Speaker 6>I remember a breach in Okuanaga one time where we

1206
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 6>used FLSC, which is a shape charge, but it's lead

1207
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 6>encased and it's it's vapor rises into lead. And I'm like,

1208
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.280
<v Speaker 6>shouldn't we put a mask on?

1209
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:43.559
<v Speaker 5>And they're like, hey, shut up, new guy, just run

1210
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:48.400
<v Speaker 5>through the breach. It's like freaking lead, it's yellow.

1211
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, And how many.

1212
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:55.199
<v Speaker 6>Two years the detox heavy metals and chemical Yeah yeah.

1213
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:56.760
<v Speaker 4>How many times to shoot houses?

1214
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1215
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 3>And and like the like it's not the fumes in

1216
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.599
<v Speaker 3>the toxin is aren't going anywhere.

1217
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:08.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you bang any house, you imagine what you're gonna

1218
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:09.159
<v Speaker 6>smell in there.

1219
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:13.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, it's astonishing. But I think detox is critical.

1220
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 5>But that is not cheap.

1221
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you have to do a blood teatox. You

1222
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.280
<v Speaker 6>got to do uh, you know, your your muscle tissues,

1223
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 6>your lymphatic system. And that's where I harp in this book,

1224
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.119
<v Speaker 6>the lymph system. If we can clean up the lymph system,

1225
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:34.840
<v Speaker 6>we won't get sick, We'll be able to detox quickly people.

1226
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I argue with doctors who don't even understand

1227
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.320
<v Speaker 6>the links lymph system and I'm just like, whatever, you know,

1228
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.239
<v Speaker 6>But that's where I start. If you can't do that,

1229
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.800
<v Speaker 6>the rest really doesn't work. Because if you're in constant

1230
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:52.320
<v Speaker 6>inflammation the brain, you know, you'll create a side of

1231
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 6>kind storm and you'll just be overwhelmed by emotions that

1232
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:59.119
<v Speaker 6>your olympic system is just crushing.

1233
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:00.719
<v Speaker 5>You know, you can't function.

1234
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.679
<v Speaker 6>So how can you make a good decision on who

1235
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:06.239
<v Speaker 6>you need to call for help when your olympic system

1236
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.639
<v Speaker 6>is so out of balance you have to have somebody

1237
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 6>walk by and go, hey, stop.

1238
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:13.119
<v Speaker 5>Let me help you. And we're bad about that, you

1239
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 5>know that.

1240
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:20.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah, I mean it's and I think that.

1241
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 3>For a lot of people, that all the all of

1242
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:32.280
<v Speaker 3>the things that that is effective are also the things

1243
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.360
<v Speaker 3>that keep they keep them from like, you know, getting

1244
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.519
<v Speaker 3>help right that that you might have resources, so you

1245
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:43.119
<v Speaker 3>might have people to reach out to, but they won't.

1246
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1247
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I've had to intervene too many times because I

1248
01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:50.480
<v Speaker 6>wish somebody would have intervened with me and grab me

1249
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.199
<v Speaker 6>by the hair. Yeah you don't, because I had tons

1250
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:54.960
<v Speaker 6>of my buddies and your buddies to day that that

1251
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:00.000
<v Speaker 6>we work together for years and nobody said anything. Yeah, yeah,

1252
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 6>we knew something was wrong, but we all just let

1253
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:03.719
<v Speaker 6>everybody go.

1254
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we're tough guys.

1255
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.559
<v Speaker 6>And uh, I don't do that anymore. I'll set somebody

1256
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 6>down and say, hey, this is what I think. And

1257
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 6>if you blow me off, you blow me off.

1258
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.440
<v Speaker 5>If not, we start working on it. Yeah, I'll find

1259
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:16.800
<v Speaker 5>you help.

1260
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 4>So what was it for you? What was there a moment?

1261
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:26.840
<v Speaker 3>Was there a thing like like did somebody grab you?

1262
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Were you?

1263
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:30.920
<v Speaker 4>How did you act? What happened?

1264
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:32.239
<v Speaker 1>If you don't mind, I was.

1265
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.480
<v Speaker 6>I was training a great client out in Montana every summer.

1266
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 5>I would teach shooting out there. She's like a Katherine

1267
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 5>Hepburn tight.

1268
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.400
<v Speaker 6>You know, you don't mess with her, and she come

1269
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.480
<v Speaker 6>down the range one day and I was gonna do

1270
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.920
<v Speaker 6>some shooting and she goes, you're not You're not okay.

1271
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 6>I said, oh, I'm fine, man.

1272
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:49.960
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1273
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 6>She goes there, shut up, You're going to go see

1274
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:56.639
<v Speaker 6>my doctor in San Francisco figured it out, and I

1275
01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 6>went down there and uh.

1276
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 5>Pull boat. You know. Whatever he needed was the order.

1277
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:07.800
<v Speaker 6>And it took me weeks to just start the detox

1278
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.239
<v Speaker 6>program on the heavy metals and doing.

1279
01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.679
<v Speaker 5>The brain evaluations and doing the you know.

1280
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 6>My balance was boogered up, you know, the center of

1281
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:19.679
<v Speaker 6>gravity was off. Just so many things we ignore and

1282
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:24.920
<v Speaker 6>we we uh make up the difference and don't know

1283
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:25.719
<v Speaker 6>that it's bad.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was just very realistic.

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<v Speaker 6>And one day he gave me this little little gel

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<v Speaker 6>pill to put under my tongue. He goes, come back

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<v Speaker 6>in tomorrow morning. Put that in your tongue tonight. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I come back next day.

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<v Speaker 5>He goes, how you feel.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, dude, I feel really weird, and I go

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<v Speaker 6>down through these symptoms.

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<v Speaker 5>And he goes, Eric, I hate to break it to you,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's what normal feels like. I'm like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>because when's.

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<v Speaker 6>The last time that happened, I'm like, I can't remember.

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<v Speaker 6>He goes, Okay, well it's going to take a little longer, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah it was really yeah yeah yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 5>was that was about as uh just jarring.

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<v Speaker 3>As you can get, just just the natural bonding chemical

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<v Speaker 3>of the brain.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, So that that got me on it.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean as doctor Azolino, he's I mentioned him right

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<v Speaker 6>up front of the book, you know, thanking him for

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01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.639
<v Speaker 6>teaching me all this stuff and putting up with me

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01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 6>because I was a bear back then.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I was rough and uh he has.

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<v Speaker 6>Some great modalities, but you know, he's only one man,

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01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.079
<v Speaker 6>but he has a great clinic out in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 6>and uh he'll tune you up quick. I mean, I

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01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 6>just sent one of my buds out there that you

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<v Speaker 6>know has some Dame Bramage. You don't remember the old

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01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:51.000
<v Speaker 6>Stay Night lab with that one, but Dame Bramage and uh,

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01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:58.960
<v Speaker 6>miraculous change in two weeks, just incredible improvements.

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<v Speaker 1>And so how did the book come about? Like you

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<v Speaker 1>must have reached a point in your own treatment that

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<v Speaker 1>you felt like you wanted to share some of these

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<v Speaker 1>experiences with others, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Yeah, as I said, I always write everything down,

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<v Speaker 6>whether I publish it or not, who knows. I've got

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01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:18.320
<v Speaker 6>tons of books I've never published. You know, they're for me,

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01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:20.559
<v Speaker 6>and if I have a friend that needs that information,

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01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:24.000
<v Speaker 6>I'll give it to them personally. But this one I

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01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 6>just wanted. There's so much out there, but I don't

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01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 6>see it in one place, and I think that's annoying.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, I've always had a book team to

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01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.800
<v Speaker 6>back me up. You know, I contract them so they

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01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.519
<v Speaker 6>know when I hand them a pile of something, they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to come out with a book. And I said,

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<v Speaker 6>we're doing this one, and I would love to illustrate it,

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01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.039
<v Speaker 6>but I just keep writing more subjects. I think the

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<v Speaker 6>subjects are more important than an illustration. So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I just want you can grab one book and hopefully

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01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:00.599
<v Speaker 6>as a veteran or some one of that type can

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<v Speaker 6>see the subject they need to learn about and then

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<v Speaker 6>start peeling the onion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome. Where can people go to find it?

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01:08:10.920 --> 01:08:12.840
<v Speaker 5>Oh? It's on Amazon. Amazon.

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01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 3>The book again, for those of you who may not

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01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 3>have caught it as fire Support, A Veteran's Guide to Health,

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01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Healing and Life Beyond Service.

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01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh looks like an FM.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's you know, it's it's very familiar territory.

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<v Speaker 5>For a minute, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have linked right, yeah, the link will be in the description.

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<v Speaker 8>So of so you know, you talk about I know

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01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 8>you you you know, I don't know if you want

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01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 8>to talk about what we did before the show, like

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01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:55.880
<v Speaker 8>the thing that you felt helped you the most. But

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01:08:56.199 --> 01:09:00.479
<v Speaker 8>how do people pull apart or where where do they

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01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.279
<v Speaker 8>start when it comes to is this.

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<v Speaker 4>Post traumatic stress?

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01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Is this TBIs?

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01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:15.039
<v Speaker 3>Is this like I'm feeling like this, you know, whether

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01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 3>it's you know, I can't get out of bed or

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01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to pull this dude out of his car, uh,

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01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.279
<v Speaker 3>you know for honking at me, like it comes in

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01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot of different ways, right, yeah, all that, yeah,

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01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:33.000
<v Speaker 3>but but mhm, where would you say people.

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<v Speaker 1>Start?

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01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.720
<v Speaker 4>Men and women you know who were and.

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01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:39.720
<v Speaker 3>You know civilians go through a lot of this too,

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01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:43.039
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe maybe not, you know, you know, obviously they

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01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:47.159
<v Speaker 3>probably don't have a lot of over pressure injuries, you know, uh,

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01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:49.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, mixing in with that post traumatic stress.

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<v Speaker 4>But where do people start, like when they.

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<v Speaker 6>I think relationships, I mean those closest to you see it, Yeah,

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01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.399
<v Speaker 6>but they don't know what to do about it, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I used to all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean when I was coming back from those trips,

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01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:12.319
<v Speaker 6>I would always force the office to let me stay

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<v Speaker 6>in like Romania a week or Germany for a week,

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01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 6>so I wouldn't go straight home. Yeah, because I couldn't

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01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.920
<v Speaker 6>do it. We were going home far too quickly world

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01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.159
<v Speaker 6>War two. You know, they take a ship back, they

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01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:30.279
<v Speaker 6>see you in a couple of months. But nowadays, hindsight,

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01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.239
<v Speaker 6>I saw it all back then, and the folks that

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01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:33.600
<v Speaker 6>worked with me saw it too.

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01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:35.039
<v Speaker 5>Once again.

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<v Speaker 6>It was it was like that Vietnam mentality of it'll workout,

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01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.399
<v Speaker 6>or you know, it's just cranky, you know, And that's

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01:10:41.439 --> 01:10:44.600
<v Speaker 6>not it at all, you know, it's it's it's the.

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<v Speaker 5>Beginning of it.

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<v Speaker 6>And you have to identify that and go, okay, hey,

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01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.720
<v Speaker 6>what's causing that. But if you're doing that and it's

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01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 6>a malfunctioning Olympic system, you're not consciously doing it, right,

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01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:00.760
<v Speaker 6>you know. And that's why I don't fall guys for that.

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01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:02.800
<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm like, they're not doing that on purpose.

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01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Who the hell would do that on purpose?

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01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.159
<v Speaker 6>And and that's the harmful part that you know, it

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01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.039
<v Speaker 6>takes a long time to rebuild those relationships once you

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01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 6>get better, but they have to realize you didn't wake

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<v Speaker 6>up saying hey I'm going to be a cranky asshole

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01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:21.359
<v Speaker 6>today and piss everybody off.

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<v Speaker 5>That's just not normal. Hate to break it to you.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I perfected it, but you know it wasn't

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01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:29.239
<v Speaker 6>on purpose.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>Held the name of the company was black Heart International.

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01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 6>You don't pick your own call signs, you know, So.

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01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:41.159
<v Speaker 5>Figure that one out.

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01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:47.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, aren't these black Heart International?

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01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:50.399
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? That's my books right there? Man? Where'd you get them?

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01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 5>Those are old ones?

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01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:59.720
<v Speaker 5>Those are ancs. That's like Model one. Yeah, that's that's

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01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:00.800
<v Speaker 5>the old models. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Eric, I had to plug myself back in. I

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01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 1>love these manuals, man, Yeah, A long time ago these

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01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:10.359
<v Speaker 1>were like for now are there really?

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01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:11.479
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:12.800
<v Speaker 5>I did all the way that you've done.

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01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I got the RPG, the p k UH, the AK,

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01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:25.479
<v Speaker 1>the macarov and UH and the Dishka. These are like

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01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the best manuals out there. Man, I didn't know this

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01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:27.920
<v Speaker 1>was you.

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<v Speaker 6>They those are the ones Texas maybe right in six

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<v Speaker 6>fucking weeks.

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01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.640
<v Speaker 1>These are great and people can people can still find

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01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:39.279
<v Speaker 1>these out there?

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01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:46.279
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, Jack, I probably got.

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01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:49.319
<v Speaker 5>Forty of those now. I mean I'm down to all

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01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:50.199
<v Speaker 5>kinds of little.

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<v Speaker 6>Handbooks pan Noona and I did a bunch of the

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01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 6>little flip hand books for like four block and all that.

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01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:57.159
<v Speaker 5>Dude you used to sell the bushel.

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01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go look for him Texas.

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01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they do. You know how many copies they bought.

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01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.920
<v Speaker 6>One set seriously takes in the same set.

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01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Still good for folks. For folks out there, like I've

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01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.760
<v Speaker 1>been through all the fms and everything myself, and including

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01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the ones that the newer ones from Special Warfare Center,

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01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:25.000
<v Speaker 1>which are not bad, but those ones, the Blackhart International

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01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:29.000
<v Speaker 1>ones are the best, like legit full color photographs, easy

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01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:33.279
<v Speaker 1>to understand instructions and diagrams. That they're the best ones made.

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01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:34.119
<v Speaker 1>That's no bullshit.

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01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just got tired of all the bad ones

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01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.720
<v Speaker 6>out there. Yeah yeah, and I'm like, you know, I

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01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:42.439
<v Speaker 6>have a camera watch this, and I owned all the

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01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:44.199
<v Speaker 6>guns because we used to teach a lot of the

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01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:49.119
<v Speaker 6>foreign weapons courses and uh yeah, there's great books, man,

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01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.880
<v Speaker 6>I like them. But we did a full NATO set

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01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:53.960
<v Speaker 6>and a full com Block set.

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01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah awesome. Yeah, I'm gonna go we get out of those.

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01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:03.199
<v Speaker 1>Super cool.

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01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:04.720
<v Speaker 5>I'll send you some more.

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01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what else do we want to get into?

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01:14:09.159 --> 01:14:12.359
<v Speaker 4>No, so you know you're on an eight day water fast?

1449
01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Tell us?

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01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Or yeah, yeah, no, uh no, but you're on day

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01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:22.119
<v Speaker 3>seven or eight of a water fast. It'll last, however long?

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01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Tell like, tell us about that? Tell us, Like, in

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01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:31.720
<v Speaker 3>terms of what you've learned, what do you think that

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01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:34.560
<v Speaker 3>the top priorities are. Because you've talked about detox and

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01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you've talked about you know, all this ship and our

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01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:40.079
<v Speaker 3>lymphatic system and our bodies that we've been exposed to.

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01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.000
<v Speaker 3>And again like this is we're talking about veterans and

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01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.279
<v Speaker 3>and and vet adjacent people right now. But this is

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01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.439
<v Speaker 3>good for the general population, I'm sure.

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01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:52.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I'm going to turn that book into a

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01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:55.920
<v Speaker 6>general pop book too.

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01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.520
<v Speaker 6>I just you know, want to focus on the guys first.

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01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:00.760
<v Speaker 6>But all the cities are like, hey, I want this.

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01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.439
<v Speaker 6>I'm like a human is a veteran too? Sure you

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01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 6>can use it. But my daughter had cancer when she

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01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:12.399
<v Speaker 6>was one. She had eye cancer. So that's when I

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01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 6>really went down the cancer rabbit hole. So that that

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01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:18.720
<v Speaker 6>taught the detox and all this and that.

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01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:20.680
<v Speaker 5>But fasting is the ultimate detox.

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01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:24.279
<v Speaker 6>I mean your body when it's when it's not eating

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01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:26.640
<v Speaker 6>bullshit or any food.

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01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:30.399
<v Speaker 5>It will eat up anything it doesn't need, and that's

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01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:34.560
<v Speaker 5>I'm hoping. Damaged parts of my brain. That's my newest

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01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:35.119
<v Speaker 5>guinea pig.

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01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.640
<v Speaker 6>That's why I'm on this one because I did a

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01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:41.960
<v Speaker 6>spec scan, which scans and shows the active and non

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01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 6>active parts of your brain. And I'm, like the doctor

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01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 6>had explained it to me. If there's damaged parts are

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01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 6>still up there and you get some type of trigger,

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01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.439
<v Speaker 6>it'll cause a cytokind storm up there to once again

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01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.079
<v Speaker 6>take over your limbic and you're kind of out of

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01:15:59.159 --> 01:16:00.319
<v Speaker 6>control to a point.

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01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.760
<v Speaker 5>That's where these people have these super issues.

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01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.520
<v Speaker 6>But I'm thinking, well, through autophagy, if we can eat

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01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:08.399
<v Speaker 6>those up, they.

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01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Won't be there, right.

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01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:13.800
<v Speaker 6>So I'm kind of sucking this up to see if

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01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:15.399
<v Speaker 6>I can make some of that go away on my

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01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.439
<v Speaker 6>next brain scan, right because I'm getting one next month.

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01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.800
<v Speaker 5>So that's as I said, I guinea pig myself all

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01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:21.439
<v Speaker 5>the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And particularly what I mean if we're talking about other

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<v Speaker 3>parts of the body, you know, autophogy is one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>When we're talking about the brain though, in neuroplasticity and

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01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.960
<v Speaker 3>the idea of the brain can totally create new pathways

1498
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:38.079
<v Speaker 3>than the brain, Like autophogy in the brain potentially is great,

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01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:42.399
<v Speaker 3>potentially has a greater result than anywhere in the body.

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<v Speaker 6>Right correct, Yeah, yeah, And I mean we all have

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01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.039
<v Speaker 6>fat we don't need, but we all have scar tissue,

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01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:53.439
<v Speaker 6>we all have any everybody has some kind of cancer

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01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:59.199
<v Speaker 6>tumors in They may be microscopic, but you know you can.

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01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:02.279
<v Speaker 5>Eat those upright, what do your mind? Had breast cancer

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01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:04.960
<v Speaker 5>and I put him on a pretty rigid.

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01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.079
<v Speaker 6>Two month thing and by the time he got to

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01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:11.159
<v Speaker 6>the surgery, the tumors were gone. Yeah, they still butchered him.

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01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:14.359
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, okay, good job. But no, I've got some

1509
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.359
<v Speaker 6>modalities that people were like crazy about. You know, the

1510
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.840
<v Speaker 6>radio frequency stuff. Totally believe in it. I've seen it work.

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01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:26.520
<v Speaker 6>The royal rife machines totally works. You can kill most

1512
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:33.319
<v Speaker 6>diseases and cancers with the frequency. That's a Havana syndrome

1513
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:34.800
<v Speaker 6>and all this. They're like, oh, we don't know what

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01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 6>it is. And I'm like, you liars.

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01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:41.079
<v Speaker 5>We invented this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we invented all that.

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01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:46.119
<v Speaker 6>But detox, man, I mean, fasting is I mean, it

1517
01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:49.439
<v Speaker 6>clears your mind. I mean my mind gets hyperactive when

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01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:51.000
<v Speaker 6>after day three or four.

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01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 5>It kills all the parasites in you. It was like,

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01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 5>what parasites?

1521
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.680
<v Speaker 6>I'm like your dog and cats get parasite medicine, right, yeah?

1522
01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:03.319
<v Speaker 6>Or why are you special? So no, I feel light

1523
01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:08.520
<v Speaker 6>years better after a fast. Yeah, it's just good to

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01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:09.399
<v Speaker 6>do as a maintenance.

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01:18:09.680 --> 01:18:09.880
<v Speaker 5>You know.

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01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:14.439
<v Speaker 1>Someone told me, and I was pretty skeptical of what

1527
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:16.640
<v Speaker 1>he told me, But now I'm listening to you. Maybe

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01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:20.119
<v Speaker 1>he was onto something that fasting is actually a way

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01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to head off Alzheimer's disease.

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01:18:22.760 --> 01:18:23.800
<v Speaker 5>Of course I think so.

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01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 6>I think it's because you have a detoxed enough and

1533
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:28.560
<v Speaker 6>you've got black up in there.

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01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 5>What you know? I totally think so. It's people who's

1535
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:36.359
<v Speaker 5>never deailed. Why does it happened later in life?

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01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Right?

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01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Accumulation? We are a filter.

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01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.920
<v Speaker 6>Our whole body is a host a system of filters.

1539
01:18:44.279 --> 01:18:47.560
<v Speaker 6>If you never clean a filter and your car's seventy

1540
01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:50.159
<v Speaker 6>five years old, how's it going to run on.

1541
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:56.039
<v Speaker 5>A racky gas? It's no brainer. I totally believe it,

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01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:57.520
<v Speaker 5>especially considering that.

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01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.359
<v Speaker 3>For many of us, half the food that we eat

1544
01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:04.279
<v Speaker 3>isn't even food, it's not.

1545
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Even real record.

1546
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:08.439
<v Speaker 5>You have to change that you got to eat a

1547
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.000
<v Speaker 5>whole food man. Yeah, yeah, I I you know, we

1548
01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 5>all love it, but it's not good for us. We

1549
01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:15.680
<v Speaker 5>have to eat the whole foods.

1550
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:18.439
<v Speaker 6>Don't go to the inside of the grocery store, stick

1551
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.600
<v Speaker 6>to the edges, call to day. Treat it like fuel, man,

1552
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:27.039
<v Speaker 6>don't treat it like entertainment. Yeah, and uh there go

1553
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.840
<v Speaker 6>straight Korean. You can't be Dead's about as keto as

1554
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:34.359
<v Speaker 6>you can get. But just think of yourselves as filters.

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01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:36.800
<v Speaker 6>You know, you do a liver flush, you do you

1556
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.680
<v Speaker 6>know this and that when you see the results, you

1557
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:43.000
<v Speaker 6>got to go. Man, that's something's got to be there.

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01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.560
<v Speaker 6>You know, there's just no way that's good for me

1559
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:48.600
<v Speaker 6>if I don't clean it out, you know.

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01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we can get great grotesque into this. I

1561
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:55.079
<v Speaker 5>have many examples. But you know you've got to do

1562
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:58.000
<v Speaker 5>that spiritually too. With some of these plant meds. You know,

1563
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.840
<v Speaker 5>I was I've never done any opened my life, and

1564
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.680
<v Speaker 5>then I went straight to ayahuasca, like holy shit.

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01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:07.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, jumping right in. Yeah, and that got rid

1566
01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:09.520
<v Speaker 6>of a lot of stuff. You have no idea what

1567
01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:12.520
<v Speaker 6>it is, you know, past traumas and this and that,

1568
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:18.079
<v Speaker 6>And I saw things that broaden the horizon, you know,

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01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.000
<v Speaker 6>and then when you get into d MT, that's.

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01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:22.720
<v Speaker 5>Where you're going to learn your consciousness.

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01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:27.399
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I wouldn't believe people of what I discovered

1572
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:33.720
<v Speaker 6>doing that, and it helped immensely, immensely, But you got

1573
01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:35.439
<v Speaker 6>to go to the proper practitioners.

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01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 5>You know. You can't be just making this ship up and.

1575
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:40.680
<v Speaker 4>It can't just be out a rave somewhere.

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01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, pretty sure.

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01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:50.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's fascinating stuff.

1578
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

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01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:54.319
<v Speaker 3>So, in addition to the book, is there are you

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01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:56.560
<v Speaker 3>on social media? Is there any place people can follow

1581
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you follow your work?

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01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.159
<v Speaker 6>Not really, I mean I'm on Instagram, but just to

1583
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:01.920
<v Speaker 6>pimp the book.

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01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:08.159
<v Speaker 5>I loathe all that stuff. No, I don't keep up

1585
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:12.000
<v Speaker 5>on any of that stuff, but I'm on there per se.

1586
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.880
<v Speaker 6>But I still have the websites, you know, for the books.

1587
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.680
<v Speaker 6>And somebody does.

1588
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.239
<v Speaker 5>Want something done that they want to pay enough to

1589
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:20.119
<v Speaker 5>do it, I'll do it.

1590
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:25.680
<v Speaker 6>Just working on healing and helping other people right now.

1592
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.439
<v Speaker 6>I've started a foundation. Really haven't got it running too

1593
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:30.640
<v Speaker 6>hard yet, but I kind of get tired of some

1594
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.319
<v Speaker 6>of these foundations that will only do certain things for

1595
01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:35.800
<v Speaker 6>guys when they need five other things, right.

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01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:36.760
<v Speaker 5>You know.

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01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:38.640
<v Speaker 6>So when I get money in there and a guy

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01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:40.600
<v Speaker 6>needs five things, I get him five things.

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01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:43.399
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, not just well we only do this one.

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01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:47.479
<v Speaker 6>I'm like, well, that's not going to work. So that's

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01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:49.520
<v Speaker 6>kind of like what I'm up to right now. And

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01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.079
<v Speaker 6>it's I haven't really had time because I've been dealing

1603
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.279
<v Speaker 6>with a bunch of my TVI stuff. And but as

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01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:58.000
<v Speaker 6>I get time, I'll do a lot more of that.

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01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the book is on Amazon and there'll be

1606
01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>a linked down the description h for anyone wants to

1607
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.880
<v Speaker 1>check that out. Anything else we want to jump into.

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01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:13.560
<v Speaker 4>No, Eric, it's been awesome.

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01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:16.279
<v Speaker 5>Man, It's it's you know, Yeah, I appreciate it. No,

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01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.520
<v Speaker 5>we we do in New York one day. I'm not

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01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:20.439
<v Speaker 5>a fan of New York, but I'd like to see

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01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:20.840
<v Speaker 5>you guys.

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01:22:21.079 --> 01:22:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, please do. We'd love to have you. I'm

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01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>not a fan of New York either. Soon.

1615
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:27.560
<v Speaker 5>I remember.

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01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:33.439
<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of right, Yeah, we've had a

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01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:35.479
<v Speaker 1>couple of youwer questions for you, Eric.

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01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:40.199
<v Speaker 7>Ohn't not that bad from Matt What is your proudest

1619
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:41.159
<v Speaker 7>moment in your life?

1620
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:42.600
<v Speaker 1>And thanks for coming on today?

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01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:48.560
<v Speaker 6>He said, Oh man, there's a couple of them. But

1622
01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:52.680
<v Speaker 6>obviously can't bring them up here. But I learned they're like, hey,

1623
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:55.279
<v Speaker 6>we we just briefed the Poters on what you guys did,

1624
01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:59.560
<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, what's a Poters? And that's how he'll

1625
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:02.000
<v Speaker 6>Billy I was back in the day. So I mean,

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01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:05.000
<v Speaker 6>there's some great ones, but you know, not for this podcast,

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01:23:05.039 --> 01:23:06.079
<v Speaker 6>but one day maybe.

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01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:08.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, one more question.

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01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.520
<v Speaker 7>What's it like building and selling a government contracting company.

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01:23:15.359 --> 01:23:18.399
<v Speaker 5>Well, I would have done it a lot differently.

1631
01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.319
<v Speaker 6>I would have had a board of advisors, and I

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01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:24.399
<v Speaker 6>would have cashed out ten times more. But back then

1633
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:28.760
<v Speaker 6>I was so hardheaded and so correct that I didn't

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01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.840
<v Speaker 6>listen to a lot of smart people. I did, okay,

1635
01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:35.800
<v Speaker 6>but you know I could have done ten times, you know.

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01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:38.920
<v Speaker 6>I mean just look at Mike Nolder at Blackwater or Blackhawk.

1637
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:42.680
<v Speaker 6>Mike had a great team. I mean, he was always

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01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:44.359
<v Speaker 6>one to answer the phone if he called, and he'd

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01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:45.279
<v Speaker 6>tell you anything.

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01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:45.920
<v Speaker 5>You need to hear.

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01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:49.319
<v Speaker 6>But he cashed out at one hundred and eighty, you know,

1642
01:23:49.520 --> 01:23:51.359
<v Speaker 6>and a great guy doing it. He didn't have to

1643
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:54.359
<v Speaker 6>cut throats, he didn't have to, you know, be corrupt,

1644
01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:57.840
<v Speaker 6>ran a good business. But he had really good advisors,

1645
01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:02.920
<v Speaker 6>so you know, hindsight crystal clear. I didn't have enough

1646
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:05.279
<v Speaker 6>smart guys going. Eric stopped doing that.

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01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's it all done on questions. I hope

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01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.520
<v Speaker 1>people will go and check out the book. I have

1649
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:19.039
<v Speaker 1>to go and start like searching for your manuals again

1650
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>now that I know that they're all out there.

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01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:22.600
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

1652
01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Eric, really appreciate this interview.

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01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:27.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, thanks for dragging me out to do it,

1654
01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:29.520
<v Speaker 6>because I was kind of dragging my.

1655
01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.880
<v Speaker 5>Feet a little bit on me.

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01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Well you come through New York, we'd love to have you.

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01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.439
<v Speaker 1>You come on in here and we shoot the shit

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01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a bit.

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01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:40.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I got to see if I got any warrants

1660
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:41.840
<v Speaker 5>up there first, but yeah, yeah.

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01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you might want to check that out.

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01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I know some people, well we'll probably maybe we can

1663
01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:47.520
<v Speaker 3>fix those.

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01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:52.279
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, please, thanks for having me guys.

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01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you brother. We deeply appreciate you, man, And

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01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:58.159
<v Speaker 1>thanks everyone who joined us tonight. And we'll see all

1667
01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of you guys next time. We got two episodes coming

1668
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>up on Wednesday. I don't know how they're going to

1669
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:05.520
<v Speaker 1>be released do. We'll have to work on that, but

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01:25:06.039 --> 01:25:09.079
<v Speaker 1>we got more coming for you working hard over here,

1671
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:13.720
<v Speaker 1>so like and subscribe. Hey, guys, it's Jack. I just

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01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:17.600
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1674
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01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:56.560
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01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>our early years, and you are what continues to help

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01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:04.039
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01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.319
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