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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, it is nine am.
Speaker 3: So let's get to our guy, Nick Underhill, New Orleans
stuff football joins us.
Speaker 1: Now, Nicholas, how we doing this week, sir?
Speaker 2: Going great man?
Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing fantastic?
Speaker 3: I had a chance to catch up with you quickly
there in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, So didn't get
a chance to recap it with you. Yes, so very
excited for that conversation. Maybe some of your takeaways, some
initial takeaways from Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where do we want to say specific or prospect
stuff must go?
Speaker 3: Just prospects like guys that were highly intriguing to you,
that certainly caught your attention or just like confirmed what
you already thought about him going in.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm incredibly disappointed that, like my he
wasn't really a sleeper, but he's like a top ten sleeper,
like Sonny Stoles was my sleeper guy, and like I
would name drop him all the time. And it's like,
I don't know, I don't know if you could take
a linebacker eight, you can take a linebacker at eight.
Like I'm disappointed that I watched my guy me too
no longer like.
Speaker 5: To like, you know, the guy on the underground artist, Like.
Speaker 2: I just watched him blow up and get the commercial hit.
I'm like, yeah, like I don't know if I liked this,
but man, like he's it's an incredibly exciting player, like
and I think, like in the right place, like he
could be incredibly intriguing, Like I think there's a lot
of stuff you can do with the safety background, you know,
I think I think he could be a real chess
piece for a creative defensive coordinator. And I guess the
whole league is creative now.
Speaker 5: So it's not like, who's the guy that went to
Arizona years ago that he was kind of like positionless
and they never figured out.
Speaker 1: How to use them like that, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like like that like they didn't really like.
Speaker 2: I think he was a little bit ahead of his
time and they never figured it out, Like I feel
like Sonny Styles could really be like a guy that
does everything. I mean, Sadique I think put himself like
really on that that upper tier radar, Like I think
he was like mid back half of the first round.
And now you're looking at it and you're like man
pour three nine and all that size and ability like that,
that's pretty that's pretty intriguing. It's It's one of them
drafts where I feel like all the prospects that are
the most exciting or like a positions that typically aren't
traditionally valued very highly, Like you got the running back,
you got the linebacker. You know, Caleb Downs at stafety
safety's not traditionally valued. Tight end is usually like you
don't see him creep into that top ten conversation. And
I feel like all the guys this year that that
really feel like special or at those positions, you know.
I think David Bailey he kind of did out there
changes maybe that conversation a little bit too, Like obviously
he was like either be one or two, but I
think just kind of seeing some of those testing numbers
that that maybe maybe that makes somebody fall in love
with them a little bit. And then you know, obviously
the Ruben Bay stuff like he measured him where he
measured in. But interestingly enough, like everybody I talked to
about him like that, nobody cares.
Speaker 5: Like if you like him, you like him.
Speaker 2: If you don't, you don't. It's like you know that
there is a measurement out there, kind of sent August
quoting around and I think what came in confirmed it.
So he's just kind of kind.
Speaker 5: Of is what he is.
Speaker 2: And look, I talked to a few teams that have
in is the number one guy like on their their
top prospect in the draft. So I don't think that
affected in anything at all. I was wondering what it
would what it would do, and I wonder, you know,
I was kind of going into it like is this
gonna be something that defines the draft because it's a
guy that can tilt the top pay No, he was in,
and I think he's staying in, And you know, I
was wondering if he saw that. I don't think he
can stay like. I think he's just kind of I
think he's gone. Like I think people love him and
they think he's special, and I think the conversations about
moving m off the edge or not not warranted, at
least in certain places. So yeah, I mean those are
kind of the big takeaways for me.
Speaker 4: Nick. Let's talk more about Saints prospects. You people that
you've been eyeballing for, potential draft picks, trade, whatever it is.
Is there anything you learned at the combine about these
specific anybody specific that you didn't already know beforehand. I know,
you get your ear to the ground pretty good, but
from a measurable standpoint for what they did on the field,
how they interviewed, is there anything that you learned from
a potential target for the Saints that you didn't know?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think kind of what what happens now is that
it goes back and another.
Speaker 2: Coaches, Like they do all the scouting meetings before the combine,
and then they have the combine, and then the coaches
get involved and then the board starts to start. So
everything we always say, it's like, always get the caveat
that things can change. Like, I don't think I'm gonna
feel like, yes, I know, this is exactly what they're
doing until probably probably the end of the month, early April,
Like I think that's usually where those things start coming
back a little bit more firm. But you know, I
would say right now, like as I sit here and
I and I projected, like, I don't think it's wide
receiver at eight, and I don't think it's running back
at eight. I don't think those two things are going
to happen. My guess is when this free agency start Monday,
the Campering cauriage starts, I think, Eliven, I'm guessing, you know,
maybe by Tuesday morning and of the end of the
next week, like there's probably going to be a running
back in the fold. I think that's probably how it's
going to play out. I think they want to address
that in free agency. I think they they probably feel
like forty two is a better spot for wide receiver
than eight. I think eight's gonna I think if in
a perfect world is just sitting at eight, I think
you have your choice between Baine and Downs, and I
think that's probably probably where they would want it to fall.
You know, I don't know where Jeremiah Love falls in
this mix. Like I, like I said, I think it's
I think it's running back in free agency, and if
that happens, like I think that kind of takes them
out of the out of the running there I could
be super wrong and this could shift on us, and
I might come back in a month and a feel
like I never said this, but like that's kind of
my feel for the landscape right now, you know. And
it's a live process, like you got in information. Someone
could come in and have a terrible meeting and you know,
all of a sudden they're taking off, you know, Caleb Downs,
I think I was like a little ACL thing that
that's you know, degenerative or something like people are worried
about his ACL thing. If that check the recheck comes
back super negative, that could shift the thinking. And now
all of a sudden you're looking at a wide receiver
or something and play there at eight. But if I
had the guest today, like, I think that's where the
chips kind of fall, you know. And I thought I
thought the wind was blowing forwards love earlier. Like you know,
these things kind of change it and they get more
to found as it goes on. But I think coming
out of here, that's how it looks, man, And you know,
I think it's it's faking any any guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 2: It's Donner Bines down put that back Downs or Bane
right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you with the receiver take.
Speaker 3: And look, as much as I want Tyler Schuck to
get a new weapon, you look at Jordan Tyson injury history,
You look at Carnel Tait, never been a one in college,
and you're gonna take him at eight. That's tough for
me to get behind. Denzel Balston's not a top ten pick.
McKay Lemon's not the receiver type that you're looking for,
and uh not great stuff coming out about his interviews
at the Combine. I love Omar Cooper Junior, but he's
more at forty two, he would not be at eight
as well.
Speaker 1: Malchi Fields runs a four to six.
Speaker 3: So to your point, like, I don't know that there's
a receiver at eight that I would even think about
taking right now. And so if that conversation's off the table,
you mentioned Kenyon Sadik there out of Oregon the tight end.
Is he an option at eight because he can do
so many different things for you? He blew the combine
out of the water. You're losing a couple of titands.
Maybe in the free agent process you got a couple
that are up right now.
Speaker 1: Where do you put him on the Saints radar.
Speaker 5: I hope he's on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think one of the things that
can change an offense like dramatically with how you operate
is tight end. And I've always been a little bit
confused why it's an undervalue position. I guess maybe because
there aren't a lot of them that can actually change
your team.
Speaker 5: But when you get a good.
Speaker 2: One that's actually like one of them guys, I feel
like it changes your whole offense, ave I identity, and
it becomes the biggest cheat code in football. And I mean,
you guys play it on the side of the ball.
You can tell me if I'm way over statanists, but
just every time you see one of these guys come
in that that's actually great, I just think it changes
your team. I've sat down on Kelsey Gronk. You know,
Bowers is trying to do it a little bit. Todd Warren,
you know, I thought change their offense a little bit.
Speaker 5: Maybe not all the way, but if you feel like
the deep can be one of those.
Speaker 2: Those shifters, like I don't have a problem with taking
them in a ten, especially in this draft. You know,
obviously you got to have the well, I mean, maybe
you don't even have to have the putt. But like
Kelsey couldn't block for you know, anything really early in
his career. And it kind of shit to thinks Jimmy
Graham changes your offense. I mean, if you think he
can be one of those guys, I just think it
changes your offensive identity.
Speaker 5: More than anything. And you know, I remember having.
Speaker 2: The conversation with Sean Payton sixteen seventeen somewhere around there,
just going through, like you know, the different forms of
his offense and how it evolved and how it changed.
And he just he told me like, look, I start
with my tight end and I built my identity back
from that based on what they can do that figures
out how all the other pieces kind of come together.
And you know, that just kind of was always something
that that stuck with me. And I might I might
have a bias here because you know, I covered the
Patriots when they drafted Grock and Hernandez, and I just
watched how that transformed everything. And look, the league's going back.
You know, there there's a Dantagers, all the Kobe stuff,
like all those teams run run twelve, you know, and
you kind of get the defense and the set you want,
and then you can open them up and create mismatches
and exploits and all this stuff. Like if you went
out you got yourself a tight end, you sign a
running back and you get a good guard. I feel
like that just changes your offense like overnight, and there's
just so much stuff you can do. I would hope
he's in the next set.
Speaker 4: And the problem is is though, like Sean Payton said that,
but I don't think he's ever drafted a tight end
for I'd have to check in the first round, like
it's and we're talking about a single digit draft pick.
I just don't know if you can do it. I
agree with everything you said. Tight ends incredibly important.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's the problem, Like, like I think they're just
done a lot better often worth it, Like there aren't
a lot of there aren't a lot of guys that can,
you know, change your team. But I was a little
surprised that like Warren wasn't wasn't and hired a man
last year. But I guess it was a stock draft
that like positions of value, I think where it changes
a little bit this year is that your top defensive
end has thirty inch arms and people love him yes,
but in a traditional draft where you might have a
few prop stucks, I don't know if he's going there.
You usually have at least quarterbacks that are worthwhile going
in the top. The tackles aren't very great this year
that there is anyone that you're like, man, theust tackle
should be in consideration at the number one pick. So like,
I think that the big three that usually the final draft,
Like it's a little bit tough, Like there aren't a
lot of franchise changing talents in this in this draft,
so that's kind of where you know, normally i'd like, man,
no way I take a running back at eight, No way,
you know, I'd probably prefer something else today it's tight ends.
I don't know about the safety at eight, Like they're
kind of low impact players, and this year is just
kind of like, well, like you draft somebody just because
they play a position that costs a little bit more
in free agency, Like if they get there and it
staves you money, Like what's the actual advantage there, right
if they aren't actually one of those guys that changes
your team and also the same sort of place where
they have cast space going forward.
Speaker 5: So I think it's just about getting the.
Speaker 2: Best players right now, and then you know, three years
down the road it Shuck's actually worth fifty million dollars
a year or whatever it's going to be. At that time,
I think that's when you start going back to man,
I don't know what, Like you kind of got to
get the tackle here because you can't afford to go
out and sign one. No, you can draft a safety
at eight and go out sign your tackle or sign
your pass preshure because you don't really have any contrasts
on the books after this year. So you know, I
just think there's a lot of stuff you got to
consider in your team building.
Speaker 5: But I agree with you. Traditionally a lot of these
conditions were going.
Speaker 2: To be talking about this year, Like I would stop
myself in the face for being no, take a running
back over the tackle, like No, I would never say that.
But this year I think is a little bit of
an exception.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Sunny Styles a little bit earlier, Nick, and
I mean talked about him for thirty minutes yesterday. I
had a chance to catch up with him at the combine.
Incredibly impressive on the field. Off the field started over
forty something games at Ohio State played in fifties, twenty
one years old, still with that kind of production. His
dad played in the league. His brother ran a four
to two eight the next day. There's so much to
love and played at Ohio State. Played it on three
different levels at Ohio State. Like that's a player that
I don't know if you'll be there at eight anymore.
But to the you can't take an off the ball
linebacker at eight, even if that was true, which I
think if it's a game changer, like you do it,
like if Luke Keigley was there at eight, you think
teams would take that guy now, Like yeah, Patrick Willis, Yes,
So when you have a situation that where a guy
can do so many different things. He wore the green
dot for Matt Patricia last year, which he's been pretty
decent at, you know, coordinating defenses in the National Football League. Like,
that's a different cat than we're talking about Jacob Rodriguez,
who I love. I love Jaco Rodriguez in this draft,
But that's an off the ball linebacker that you know
what he is, Sunny styles is something way different than
any other off the ball linebacker.
Speaker 2: Oh, I agree, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, Look the other thing too, I should have said.
Speaker 2: It the top, Like I think people are looking at uh,
I got these rail reas now no longer are Belleries,
but ral they're looking at him as an inside linebacker two.
And now I think that conversation is interesting because like,
is Reefs actually better than a Sunny Styles?
Speaker 1: I don't know, like that he's played eighteen games, how
do we know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Like you're doing a lot of projecting there. And he
started out the season really hot off the edge, and
then it kind of waned a little bit as the
year went on. I think he's more of an idea
than than like an actual thing, and Sonny Styles has
a little bit more production and then he also, I
don't know, you start seeing these numbers and like the
idea of what he can do I think grows too,
so like you have production plus the upside. Man again,
weird draft, Like what I take a linebacker at eight?
Speaker 5: No? I'm like no, But like this year, man, he's
just kind of maybe the.
Speaker 2: Most intriguing guy there is to me. Like it soups
up version of like Matt Malano a little bit in Buffalo,
but it's like not hurt and healthy, like former safety
moved the linebacker can really play in space, you know,
and I think you could probably get him in in
you know, some explosive stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, on third down if you wanted him to blitz.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 5: I just think there's so much stuff he can do.
Speaker 2: I think he can contribute like a little bit at
all three levels. And now that you've been moving around
and really really DHS piece with with some of the
stuff he can do. Have you ever, by the way,
totally off of have you ever seen Matt Patricia out
in the wild, like just in a normal setting?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, pencil and pencil in the ear like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I interviewed him at the Super Bowl in New Orleans.
I think he had no job at the time. He
wasn't on anybody staff. It's right before he got hired
at Ohio State Pennsylvan ear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the crazy is the play sheets laminated?
Speaker 5: So what's he right now?
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 3: If you would have like a flair tip pin that
would write on the lemonade sheet.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, I got a question for you, and
hopefully you can squash some of these slanderous rumors that
are floating around the interwebs right now because they can't
be true. The rumor is that nobody has called the
Saints about trading for Derek Carr. But this can't be true.
Speaker 2: What I think that's true. I think that's true. I mean,
dare it was it was. I checked it on it
up Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, and it was
it was true as of Tuesday as a Tuesday last week,
it was true. You haven't it called yet? Interesting? Yeah?
I mean look that. Yeah. The trade value there too,
I think is really going to be I mean, it's
it's a fascinating situation because like, let's say, look, I.
Speaker 5: Think Derek Carr is probably somebody you.
Speaker 2: Call on maybe after that first wave a free agency
goes and it's like, well, do I actually want to
give up a draft picked.
Speaker 5: And money or do I just want to give up
money for somebody?
Speaker 2: Because I think if you're looking at at Derek Carr, you're.
Speaker 5: Probably looking at you know, there's other guys that are
going to be.
Speaker 2: Out there that are comparable and value and stature and
all that stuff. So I kind of think maybe when
the music stops, he's the guy that that's there. And
then it's it's interesting because like he's kind of in
total control of this situation. He has a no trade
clause and even effectively just coming back from from retirement,
like he can kind of, you know, dictate, hey, look
I'm not going there or not. Here's the thing though,
like and again, like this will get really really mess
and I don't think it would ever get here. Like
Derek can just say I'm coming back and they have
to you have to reinstate his contract, so he could
he could theoretically say I want to go to Minnesota.
I don't want them to pay too much, and if
you stand in my way, I'm just gonna reactate. My
contract is going to blow up your count. I don't
think that would ever happen, But like, there is that
that red button scenario, so it makes it it makes
it hard to gauge. I think, seeing how everything played
out last year, the willingness to surrender the money and
all that, Like, I don't think anything like that would
ever happen. I think that they would be in lockstep
on trying to figure something out. I don't think he'd
get ugly, but I mean, there isn't a lot of
control here on the Saints side of things, so negotiating
this is going to be fascinating. Like, I think it
probably ends up the thing where maybe you get like
a Day three pick, and if they make the playoffs,
like it improves to like a thurd or report round
pick or something like that. I don't think it's going
to be like a massive win for the Saints. I
don't think they get a lot. I don't think they're
in a position where they can really grind it out.
And if there's no market for the guy, like what's
his actual value too? So that's another thing. So I
don't think it's going to be anything that's like, man,
they traded Derek Carr and they got a third rounder, Like,
I don't think that's gonna happen. Maybe you're from nowt
Imprus or something like that, but yeah, I don't I
don't see it going like that.
Speaker 4: Completely hypothetical question here just for fun, We're not going
to like quote you on this. You don't have to
put your whole name behind this, your whole business behind this.
But the Jets, we were talking about how like these
fun trades that the Jets could make because I think
they have six first rounders at their disposal right now.
On draft. I think it is a seven because they
get another one for the four years ahead. How many
first round draft picks would you have to give for you,
Nick Underhill to trade Tyler Shuck?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, like.
Speaker 4: Everybody's got a price.
Speaker 2: Where are the Jets hat? You know, like, where are
they picking up at the top?
Speaker 4: Probably at the top of that, I guess.
Speaker 2: So we're talking Arch man, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, where do the Jets pick every single year?
Speaker 5: So I don't know, man like that.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have for Tyler Shock if they
offered it to you next week.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean like we're kind of talking like a
one for one, like like you know, you get Arch
Banning or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, and then maybe maybe like a sweet nurse
like a one in and two or something like that.
I would have seriously consider it. If I'm actually a
GM and I've seen this guy play football and I
feel like he has a chance. I don't think I
risked my job on it, But like I thought, were
if I were playing Madden and you get me a
dance and I get like I get a couple, I
get a couple of first round picks, you know, and
I can get Arch or Dante or someone like that.
I might consider it. It'd be tough, like it in actual.
Speaker 5: Real life, it would be very It would be very hard.
Speaker 2: To trade a quarterback that you've seen something from because
so many of them don't see something from them, and
number one picks in the draft to these guys who
always talk about, you know, there's like a sixty percent
success rate or worse. So like you would probably be
in saying the trade a guy that can actually win
you some games, can burn on three down and all
this stuff.
Speaker 4: But it's an interesting conversation to have that. I think
somebody is going to It would be fun if somebody
had to make that decision somewhere in the NFL. Because
the Jets have so many assets, they could put a
package together that could buy almost anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they really could, you know, I don't know. Do
you guys see Aaron sleeping hopefully hopefully the quarterback stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sleep in the combines? Not well, it's very own brand.
So anyways, Uh, Nick, you're the man. We appreciate it,
Nick Underhill, new orlds Stuffootball joins us every single Tuesday,
Hero on ot B.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, sir. We'll catch up next week.
Speaker 2: All right, goys, see it easy?
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take for you to trade Tyler Schuck like your what
you believe is your future at quarterback, because there is
a price for everything, and we were just kind of
looking at comps we threw around. We were talking about,
like I asked the chat, would you trade Tylers shake
for five first round picks? I think everyone was like, yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's anybody.
Speaker 4: Boss Taylor said he would trade anybody for four first
round picks. I asked some Tom Brady, No, he'd be
the only He'd be the only one. I gave him
Tom Brady at thirty five years old too, he still
has nine years left.
Speaker 7: Tom played until he was what forty five? So that's
the one that you wouldn't trade for four, the only person.
Speaker 4: But I didn't. You were talking about the Stafford and
Golf trade. I thought it was more kind of like
equal at that because they were this is pretty is
a pretty juicy one. In twenty January twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and golf was.
Speaker 3: He's certainly played better since he's gotten to Detroit. He
wasn't as consistent in LA, but still that's it got
to a super Bowl.
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pays I got it.
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third round pick, but the first.
Speaker 1: The first Gibbs, the two for most of their team.
Speaker 4: They got their quarterback that they wanted when Jared got.
Speaker 7: Two weapons, Like I don't know who the third was,
but it was the two first were Gibbs and Jamison Williams.
Speaker 1: Gibbs was part of the Stafford.
Speaker 7: I mean it worked out like that was one trade
that you can look back and be like, that was
great for both of them because you was the first
twenty three and twenty four.
Speaker 4: Twenty two and twenty three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Gibbs just completed what it's third year, so Yeah,
he would have been a rookie in twenty three, so
that was his draft.
Speaker 4: So and that was a quarterback in the with Stafford
and the kind of getting close to the twilight of
his career. I know quarterbacks can play for a long
time now, but yeah, that's pretty wild, that's pretty steep.
So we're talking about this hypothetical with Tyler Shuck, a
guy that's played what eight games now, who but you
believe is your guy. But it's just a fun little hypothetical.
Just think in your brain, if you're listening to us
out there, if you're watching us on YouTube, whatever it is,
just think what would you give up? What would it
take for you to have to give up Tyler Shuck.
Not that it's e forgoten, don't do it, just but
if the Jets get crazy, they get a little squirrely
out there. We just talked about earlier in the show
about how terrible the free agent market is, how there
is not really a somebody that is deserving of like
a number two draft pick at quarterback.
Speaker 3: What quarterback in the National Football League, though, do you
actually think is available that would be worthy of you
giving up two first round picks that would actually be
available right now.
Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned it earlier. I think that you could
go out and make an offer to get Joe Burrow.
I think you make an offer to get Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: Those two Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: I think Jerry. I think Jerry would do it. Yeah,
I did.
Speaker 7: I think Jerry would do it. He traded Mike, took
him forever and even paid Dak. I thought he paid
him a year late, which is why he's having to
pay him so much money.
Speaker 4: He's coming off a career year.
Speaker 3: Everybody's looking for him, but there's not a lot out
there because you're either no way in hell, I'm giving
up my guy, Patrick Mahomes. Nobody's given like no, Justin Herbert, no, right,
you go down this Drake May No, Josh Allen no.
Speaker 1: So like the other one.
Speaker 4: Hjalen Hurts. They played really well with mac John. I'm
not saying Mak Jones is their answer, just saying Shannan
has that type offense that you can plug in a dude.
But the Super Bowl with Garoppolo, mm hmm.
Speaker 8: I think there was trade party at the price is right.
That makes sense just because like you said, Shanahan can
make anybody.
Speaker 4: That's why it makes this situation with the Jets so
intriguing because they're a dumb organization, they're crazy, and they
have more assets than that anybody. We've never seen anybody
offer like and they can do it and still have
first rounders in their back pocket. Yeah, why do you trade?
Why do you make that trade with Sauscott or mid
season to get assets? What do you use those assets for?
You can build a roster and hope that you hit
or you can.
Speaker 3: Go because even like it got like Trevor Lawrence Wait
had a hell of a year. Yeah, so like now,
like a year ago, you probably could have now probably not.
So like you have all these assets, you have all
these things that you're disposable, Like what is realistic out there?
And that's probably the two you gave, or probably only two.
I don't I don't know that anybody else worth what
we're talking about would be available.
Speaker 4: Let's just think about this from like an elementary standpoint.
You take five first round picks, you draft them. You
you're doing pretty good if three of them hit, so
you got two wasted. So you take those two that
are wasted that you're thinking in your head like statistically,
I'm probably gonna miss on two. Take those two, then
you add that a third one, which is somebody you
would take that would hit. Yeah, now you got three
draft picks, three first rounders. The trade you're gonna who's
giving up. Everybody's gonna be giving up somebody.
Speaker 8: And honestly, like it depends on how hard one of
those picks hit you. Unit the rest of really don't
even matter. Like if you if you netted like a
Michael Parsons out of one of those trades, like one
of those picks is like well, I mean we end
up getting a generational pass rusher. So it's like, depending
how hard one of those picks become. It's like, well,
even though these next two guys are jags, like this
guy was an all time great, just a guy.
Speaker 1: I call this naph as non athletic dudes.
Speaker 8: Non athletic dudes. I mean, what is there an ADS
in an NFL.
Speaker 3: Maybe the standard of what we're talking about, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
to the NFL standard. Yeah, I love it, I guess
I mean like pretty good I do. I yeah, I
will say I agree with you there, Like even even
when my sons are like that guy's terrible, I'm like, hey, bud.
Speaker 1: He's the one percent of the one percent. Yeah, you
should probably hold off on Sandy's terrible.
Speaker 4: That guy's got his uh jersey hanging in high school
for sure, unless unless you're me, it's me, it's me.
Speaker 7: He's sitting on the couch on Sunday. The guy drops
some past I'm like, you gotta cut him. You gotta
move on from this guy. Can't do Anything's terrible. Yeah,
how do you even make it real?
Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, this guy ran for three thousand yards
and one season in high school. Is like, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Wish just family a lifetime of failures. Man.
Speaker 3: I only say that to people who are card breakers
who don't give me a hit. I don't say at
the football players. I might have wished some bad things
on a couple of card breakers or too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's not their fault.
Speaker 1: It is trying.
Speaker 3: It's their fault, always their fault. All Right, we gotta
play catch up. Great stuff though by Nick Underhill. I
did get a chance to see him and Mike Triplet
in Indianapolis, and Saints are in a I think a
good spot.
Speaker 1: They're in a good spot. Just what they need is
going to be available at some position.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they're leaning right now, but they
can quickly audible to another person that can help them
win football games. And I think they're in the sweet
spot of having the number eight overall pick and somebody's
going to fall to them that they probably didn't expect,
and they're probably gonna select that player, and I don't
think it's gonna be an offensive player.
Speaker 8: It's scary though. It's scary because this we're actually in
the situation where we're having expectations for the Saints to
not threw it up. Like last year, there really was
no expectations like Okay, you know, we'll see what we
got in Ridler, we'll see what we got in Shucked.
But it wasn't like like now that you even were saying,
it's about the teen of my five games, like like
they over It feels weird though, like the grand scheme,
the only want five games, but it feels like they
want a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want down stretch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just like now it's the lights are
on you, Mickey, all the eyes are back on you.
So it's like you have to know this pick. And
that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 2: With it.
Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break more ot B when
we come back here live from the Raisin Kine Studio.
Speaker 8: Off the bench, it's fox man.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying I was talking to the girls, you know,
and we don't put enough emphasis on the ladies sometimes.
Speaker 8: You know, I was talking to this girl.
Speaker 9: She was talking about the music all fast in the club.
You know, she got drink water because she's thirsty. She
didn't dance like ninety two hundred songs back to back.
But ain't nobody, you know, really try to find out
what she feeling like, how she feels you know, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know what she told me blocked in on LSU Football
twenty four to seven. You're listening to off Oh she says.
Speaker 6: She wants some more some U banjos a little but
definitely said this plenty around, some new.
Speaker 4: Deficit this py guess where.
Speaker 6: Definitely I'm sold that you drop over and y'all low
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Speaker 1: All right, as I said, welcome back in OTB.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and I'm looking at some of the
different combined times and some of the different things that
we saw. And I'm just sitting here looking at the
multiple LSU receivers that and incredibly well they're in India.
It's like, man, that's gonna be one of those teams
that we talk about that just underachieved. Certainly on the
offensive side of the football. The defense held their own.
The defense was on the field all the time, all
day every day. It felt like, I mean, when you
have that kind of talent and receiver and you can't
figure out how to get them the football, when you
can't have route concepts that are real route concepts, when
you don't have screens that are real screens, I get.
It's so frustrating when you have an offense that doesn't
run gap schemes at all. You just say, we can't
do it, We're not going to do it, and you
are hard headed about it. I don't know what this
team ceiling really was, but with the personnel that they have,
and I look up and I see a tight end
at the combine. I see five receivers at the combine.
I see a quarterback at the combine. It's like, I know,
there wasn't any offensive line, and it was a young
group and those guys you know, either at LSU still
have gone elsewhere. But even going back to the group
that they had where all five of them got drafted,
I think we're gonna look back at these years of
Lustrue football and say you had to get more out
of that group, and you let a lot of talent
go out the window and set you back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've given, of course, the we given the
coaching staff a hard time this year. Certainly they got
they got fired, so rightfully we gave them a hard
time because we called out the weaknesses and scheme. Now
now more information obviously always comes out, and you got
to think that it probably was a challenging situation for
them when your quarterback injures himself in the second day
of training camp and affects the way he plays, but
not affected it to the way like, Okay, he's injured,
clear doesn't need to play. Put the backup input van
Buren in. Because you can't tell me that Garrett still
didn't give you the best opportunity to win against Clemton.
He didn't give you the best opportunity to win throughout
the season. Now at some point it just got worse
and worse and worse. And the bad habits formed. But
like you got to look back at some of the
coaching and you know, we hit him hard, but how
much was it, you know, having to adjust the scheme
based on like what we didn't know at the time,
which was Garry mus was hurt and he was playing
through it and he couldn't throw the ball. Like, it's
probably pretty tough to formulate that game plan. And how
about this, if you want to have the butterfly effect
and go back and look at it. Garrett hurt getting
hurt in the second game of the season. It's probably
the only reason lang kiv is a head coach. It's true,
Brian Kelly is still probably your head coach if Garrett
Nutsmeyer does not get hurt in training camp. So it's
a butterfly effect. You can do that with every team.
You can do that with every draft pick. You can
do that with everything in sports and in life. I
get it he's looking back, but just think about that.
If it doesn't happen, we probably have a much more
successful season. And Brian Kelly, who's got this massive buyout,
there's not the public push, public and governmental push to
get your head coach fired. And that the appetite is
probably not there to pay that buyout and then of
course ay more to bring a new head coach. So
what a wild world and wild like way to think
about it. But you do have to say you can't,
just like you can't can't. We can't stand on the
on the soapbox to say they were terrible, terrible, terrible table.
It's probably pretty hard for me that game plan when
your quarterback can't really throw like you can for since
day two of training camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, but I'll just.
Speaker 3: But I am also on you that if that is
the case, you've got to come up with something. You
get paid millions of dollars to come up with something
that you can do that you can get done that
tries to mask what your injury was and not try
so you fit the square peg in the round.
Speaker 4: They got fired. They should have been fired. Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 3: It's just it's frustrating covering an event like that. And
I look up and I'm like, I hear all these
NFL people Matt talk about, oh my god, Monsort delaying
and watch that guy's taping like I have called all
his games. He J Hawsey, you gotta go watch that
guy I did called his games, saw him, and then
they start talking about man save on Toms watch.
Speaker 1: I'll not use that guy more. It's like, that's a
great question. We asked that question a lot.
Speaker 3: It's like all these all these guys, all these scouts
that I've known for decades, are coming up to me
asking me these questions, talking about these players, and I'm like, no,
you're right, I know yep, I've seen them.
Speaker 1: I've seen what they're capable of.
Speaker 4: And well you can you can say that talent, that
type of talent the year before and gart and that's
aby how good he actually is and the talent he
has masked a lot of that, a lot of that
crappy game planning. Yeah, so you just couldn't mask it
this year. And so let's.
Speaker 1: Bad coaching can make a really good player.
Speaker 3: Terrible, very bad, or disappear, or he can make him
very average or you know, there's different.
Speaker 1: Levels to it.
Speaker 4: Like in football, you can just make him disappear because
you don't understand conceptual football. You don't understand how to
create a matchup advantages and get the guy the football
and open space. You get the guy the football. Well,
he I gave him twelve touches and you didn't do anything. Well, yeah,
because it sucks everywhere else.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Uls, you literally just had a guy like that.
I mean, Jake talks about him all the time, but
Omar Spate's like.
Speaker 1: This dude was just about to bring him up.
Speaker 8: But are you the one that made me realize about
Omar Space? Like, this guy's starting on a round and LSU, Yeah,
like one of the best teams in the NFL. That's
their their lead scout. Yeah, he is a Green, their
lead scout.
Speaker 3: Came up to our table found I was an LSU go, oh, man,
we love Omar Spates. I said, yeah, I did too,
and I try to tell people about how good he
was at Oregon State. Then all of a sudden, his
nickname was slow Mare Spates in bad ruge. That wasn't
because he forgot how to play football. He was a
Pack ten defensive Player of the Year. He got into
Matt House the system, and he played slow because it
didn't make sense. The math wasn't adding up on some
of the stuff that they had to try to do.
Right to your point, you said his name, I was like, hey,
the start the middle linebacker for the l a Rams
that came to l s U for a year and
number one in and out kind of the line up
a little bit because they said he couldn't play.
Speaker 1: No, the defense was set up for failure.
Speaker 3: And so like that's some of the things that you know,
you kind of lose sight of when you're in the moment, Like, man,
I don't know if this guy can play.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, he wasn't put in a position to succeed.
He didn't understand the assignment because it wasn't taught to him.
Speaker 8: Nobody succeeded on that defense, No, nobody.
Speaker 3: They're still there's still guys in the Jay Ward's still
in the NFL. There's guys a week with you in
the league defense. So make no mistake about it. The
scheme matters as much as anything when it comes to college.
Speaker 4: I just remember, like anybody at any level of authority,
not everybody knows what they're doing. Like at the top,
there's bad coaches in the NFL. There's really bad coaches
in college. And when you sprinkle them in and you
give the wrong guy power, you give the wrong guy
authority just because that's the next step in their career.
And like he was good at one thing doesn't mean
he's gonna be good another thing. And they're as bad
managers out there in business that are in powers positions
of power. They're like, well, yet he knows what he's doing.
He's a coach at LSU. I mean, sometimes there's some
huge idiots out there, may.
Speaker 1: Have big dumb dumbsh fans.
Speaker 4: I'm a dumb dumb so really good.
Speaker 3: You said it well, a lot of people abably said that,
but I will I will tell you this. I will
tell you this LSU fans. Joe Brady walked by me.
I was on the podium, so I was. I was
on the show, and he knew I couldn't like take
my head set off.
Speaker 4: He hit me with the go.
Speaker 8: Tigers, see you up by real I want to sugar
his hand like thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I end up talking to him later, but it's funny.
It made me laugh on air, as he's other now
head coach at the Buffalo Bills. As you all know,
all right, we'll take a break, we'll wrap up O
TV when we come back here live from the Raizing
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But you know what, you got to turn that frown
upside right because you got the guy that you wanted
in charge, and it's because of well, you're bad season.
Speaker 1: So all things are pointing out, Matthew.
Speaker 4: Up, we're gonna crush.
Speaker 3: There are the off season program right now. So looking
forward to getting out there for spring football.
Speaker 4: Hmm absolutely.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're gonna be a morning
team like they were a year ago. I don't know,
Lane Kibbins m o there. But if you want some
elite ballnovers out there, you'll go between ten and two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to win a Nattie, probably in
the afternoon, well not.
Speaker 3: Even afternoon, they got another show. But if you practice
between ten and two, we are there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless we got some other things to do. Hey,
it's been a great show. We love you guys listening.
We appreciate Jordan, thank you for staying filling in.
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