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Speaker 1: Off the Bench with Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 3: From carrying each other to and Natty to carrying each other.

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Speaker 4: On the air, there's prop Control.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Raising Kine studio.

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Speaker 5: It's off the Bench.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back again, Oh TB here live from

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the Raising Caines studio.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, it is nine am.

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Speaker 3: So let's get to our guy, Nick Underhill, New Orleans

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stuff football joins us.

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Speaker 1: Now, Nicholas, how we doing this week, sir?

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Speaker 2: Going great man?

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Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing fantastic?

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Speaker 3: I had a chance to catch up with you quickly

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there in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, So didn't get

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a chance to recap it with you. Yes, so very

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excited for that conversation. Maybe some of your takeaways, some

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initial takeaways from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where do we want to say specific or prospect

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stuff must go?

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Speaker 3: Just prospects like guys that were highly intriguing to you,

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that certainly caught your attention or just like confirmed what

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you already thought about him going in.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm incredibly disappointed that, like my he

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wasn't really a sleeper, but he's like a top ten sleeper,

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like Sonny Stoles was my sleeper guy, and like I

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would name drop him all the time. And it's like,

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I don't know, I don't know if you could take

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a linebacker eight, you can take a linebacker at eight.

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Like I'm disappointed that I watched my guy me too

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no longer like.

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Speaker 5: To like, you know, the guy on the underground artist, Like.

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Speaker 2: I just watched him blow up and get the commercial hit.

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I'm like, yeah, like I don't know if I liked this,

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but man, like he's it's an incredibly exciting player, like

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and I think, like in the right place, like he

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could be incredibly intriguing, Like I think there's a lot

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of stuff you can do with the safety background, you know,

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I think I think he could be a real chess

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piece for a creative defensive coordinator. And I guess the

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whole league is creative now.

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Speaker 5: So it's not like, who's the guy that went to

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Arizona years ago that he was kind of like positionless

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and they never figured out.

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Speaker 1: How to use them like that, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like like that like they didn't really like.

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Speaker 2: I think he was a little bit ahead of his

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time and they never figured it out, Like I feel

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like Sonny Styles could really be like a guy that

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does everything. I mean, Sadique I think put himself like

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really on that that upper tier radar, Like I think

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he was like mid back half of the first round.

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And now you're looking at it and you're like man

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pour three nine and all that size and ability like that,

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that's pretty that's pretty intriguing. It's It's one of them

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drafts where I feel like all the prospects that are

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the most exciting or like a positions that typically aren't

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traditionally valued very highly, Like you got the running back,

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you got the linebacker. You know, Caleb Downs at stafety

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safety's not traditionally valued. Tight end is usually like you

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don't see him creep into that top ten conversation. And

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really feel like special or at those positions, you know.

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I think David Bailey he kind of did out there

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changes maybe that conversation a little bit too, Like obviously

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he was like either be one or two, but I

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think just kind of seeing some of those testing numbers

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that that maybe maybe that makes somebody fall in love

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with them a little bit. And then you know, obviously

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the Ruben Bay stuff like he measured him where he

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measured in. But interestingly enough, like everybody I talked to

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about him like that, nobody cares.

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Speaker 5: Like if you like him, you like him.

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Speaker 2: If you don't, you don't. It's like you know that

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there is a measurement out there, kind of sent August

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Speaker 5: Of is what he is.

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Speaker 2: And look, I talked to a few teams that have

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top prospect in the draft. So I don't think that

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affected in anything at all. I was wondering what it

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guy that can tilt the top pay No, he was in,

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can stay like. I think he's just kind of I

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think he's gone. Like I think people love him and

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they think he's special, and I think the conversations about

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moving m off the edge or not not warranted, at

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least in certain places. So yeah, I mean those are

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Speaker 4: Nick. Let's talk more about Saints prospects. You people that

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you've been eyeballing for, potential draft picks, trade, whatever it is.

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specific anybody specific that you didn't already know beforehand. I know,

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you get your ear to the ground pretty good, but

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from a measurable standpoint for what they did on the field,

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how they interviewed, is there anything that you learned from

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a potential target for the Saints that you didn't know?

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Speaker 5: I think kind of what what happens now is that

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it goes back and another.

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Speaker 2: Coaches, Like they do all the scouting meetings before the combine,

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and then they have the combine, and then the coaches

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get involved and then the board starts to start. So

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everything we always say, it's like, always get the caveat

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that things can change. Like, I don't think I'm gonna

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feel like, yes, I know, this is exactly what they're

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back a little bit more firm. But you know, I

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would say right now, like as I sit here and

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receiver at eight, and I don't think it's running back

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at eight. I don't think those two things are going

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next week, like there's probably going to be a running

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that in free agency. I think they they probably feel

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like forty two is a better spot for wide receiver

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think that's probably probably where they would want it to fall.

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that happens, like I think that kind of takes them

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out of the out of the running there I could

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be super wrong and this could shift on us, and

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like I never said this, but like that's kind of

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my feel for the landscape right now, you know. And

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that's you know, degenerative or something like people are worried

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about his ACL thing. If that check the recheck comes

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back super negative, that could shift the thinking. And now

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or something and play there at eight. But if I

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chips kind of fall, you know. And I thought I

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thought the wind was blowing forwards love earlier. Like you know,

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these things kind of change it and they get more

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to found as it goes on. But I think coming

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think.

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Speaker 2: It's Donner Bines down put that back Downs or Bane

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you with the receiver take.

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Speaker 3: And look, as much as I want Tyler Schuck to

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get a new weapon, you look at Jordan Tyson injury history,

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and you're gonna take him at eight. That's tough for

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me to get behind. Denzel Balston's not a top ten pick.

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and uh not great stuff coming out about his interviews

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at the Combine. I love Omar Cooper Junior, but he's

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more at forty two, he would not be at eight

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Speaker 1: Malchi Fields runs a four to six.

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Speaker 3: So to your point, like, I don't know that there's

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a receiver at eight that I would even think about

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Is he an option at eight because he can do

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so many different things for you? He blew the combine

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out of the water. You're losing a couple of titands.

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Speaker 1: Where do you put him on the Saints radar.

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Speaker 5: I hope he's on it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think one of the things that

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confused why it's an undervalue position. I guess maybe because

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there aren't a lot of them that can actually change

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like it changes your whole offense, ave I identity, and

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it becomes the biggest cheat code in football. And I mean,

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you guys play it on the side of the ball.

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just every time you see one of these guys come

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in that that's actually great, I just think it changes

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your team. I've sat down on Kelsey Gronk. You know,

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Speaker 2: Those shifters, like I don't have a problem with taking

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them in a ten, especially in this draft. You know,

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you don't even have to have the putt. But like

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Kelsey couldn't block for you know, anything really early in

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Graham changes your offense. I mean, if you think he

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can be one of those guys, I just think it

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Speaker 5: More than anything. And you know, I remember having.

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his offense and how it evolved and how it changed.

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with my tight end and I built my identity back

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from that based on what they can do that figures

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Patriots when they drafted Grock and Hernandez, and I just

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watched how that transformed everything. And look, the league's going back.

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agree with everything you said. Tight ends incredibly important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's the problem, Like, like I think they're just

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done a lot better often worth it, Like there aren't

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a lot of there aren't a lot of guys that can,

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you know, change your team. But I was a little

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surprised that like Warren wasn't wasn't and hired a man

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last year. But I guess it was a stock draft

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that like positions of value, I think where it changes

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a little bit this year is that your top defensive

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end has thirty inch arms and people love him yes,

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but in a traditional draft where you might have a

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few prop stucks, I don't know if he's going there.

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You usually have at least quarterbacks that are worthwhile going

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in the top. The tackles aren't very great this year

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that there is anyone that you're like, man, theust tackle

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should be in consideration at the number one pick. So like,

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Like it's a little bit tough, Like there aren't a

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lot of franchise changing talents in this in this draft,

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so that's kind of where you know, normally i'd like, man,

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no way I take a running back at eight, No way,

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you know, I'd probably prefer something else today it's tight ends.

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I don't know about the safety at eight, Like they're

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kind of low impact players, and this year is just

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kind of like, well, like you draft somebody just because

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they play a position that costs a little bit more

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in free agency, Like if they get there and it

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staves you money, Like what's the actual advantage there, right

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if they aren't actually one of those guys that changes

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your team and also the same sort of place where

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they have cast space going forward.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's just about getting the.

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Speaker 2: Best players right now, and then you know, three years

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down the road it Shuck's actually worth fifty million dollars

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a year or whatever it's going to be. At that time,

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I think that's when you start going back to man,

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I don't know what, Like you kind of got to

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get the tackle here because you can't afford to go

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out and sign one. No, you can draft a safety

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at eight and go out sign your tackle or sign

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your pass preshure because you don't really have any contrasts

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on the books after this year. So you know, I

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just think there's a lot of stuff you got to

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consider in your team building.

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Speaker 5: But I agree with you. Traditionally a lot of these

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conditions were going.

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Speaker 2: To be talking about this year, Like I would stop

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myself in the face for being no, take a running

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back over the tackle, like No, I would never say that.

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But this year I think is a little bit of

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an exception.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Sunny Styles a little bit earlier, Nick, and

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I mean talked about him for thirty minutes yesterday. I

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had a chance to catch up with him at the combine.

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Incredibly impressive on the field. Off the field started over

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forty something games at Ohio State played in fifties, twenty

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one years old, still with that kind of production. His

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dad played in the league. His brother ran a four

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to two eight the next day. There's so much to

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love and played at Ohio State. Played it on three

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different levels at Ohio State. Like that's a player that

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I don't know if you'll be there at eight anymore.

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But to the you can't take an off the ball

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linebacker at eight, even if that was true, which I

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think if it's a game changer, like you do it,

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like if Luke Keigley was there at eight, you think

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teams would take that guy now, Like yeah, Patrick Willis, Yes,

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So when you have a situation that where a guy

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can do so many different things. He wore the green

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dot for Matt Patricia last year, which he's been pretty

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decent at, you know, coordinating defenses in the National Football League. Like,

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that's a different cat than we're talking about Jacob Rodriguez,

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who I love. I love Jaco Rodriguez in this draft,

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But that's an off the ball linebacker that you know

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what he is, Sunny styles is something way different than

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any other off the ball linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree, totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, Look the other thing too, I should have said.

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Speaker 2: It the top, Like I think people are looking at uh,

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I got these rail reas now no longer are Belleries,

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but ral they're looking at him as an inside linebacker two.

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And now I think that conversation is interesting because like,

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is Reefs actually better than a Sunny Styles?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like that he's played eighteen games, how

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do we know?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Like you're doing a lot of projecting there. And he

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started out the season really hot off the edge, and

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then it kind of waned a little bit as the

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year went on. I think he's more of an idea

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than than like an actual thing, and Sonny Styles has

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a little bit more production and then he also, I

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don't know, you start seeing these numbers and like the

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idea of what he can do I think grows too,

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so like you have production plus the upside. Man again,

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weird draft, Like what I take a linebacker at eight?

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Speaker 5: No? I'm like no, But like this year, man, he's

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just kind of maybe the.

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Speaker 2: Most intriguing guy there is to me. Like it soups

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up version of like Matt Malano a little bit in Buffalo,

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but it's like not hurt and healthy, like former safety

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moved the linebacker can really play in space, you know,

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and I think you could probably get him in in

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you know, some explosive stuff.

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Speaker 5: You know, on third down if you wanted him to blitz.

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Speaker 2: Like.

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Speaker 5: I just think there's so much stuff he can do.

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Speaker 2: I think he can contribute like a little bit at

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all three levels. And now that you've been moving around

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and really really DHS piece with with some of the

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stuff he can do. Have you ever, by the way,

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totally off of have you ever seen Matt Patricia out

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in the wild, like just in a normal setting?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, pencil and pencil in the ear like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I interviewed him at the Super Bowl in New Orleans.

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I think he had no job at the time. He

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wasn't on anybody staff. It's right before he got hired

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at Ohio State Pennsylvan ear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the crazy is the play sheets laminated?

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Speaker 5: So what's he right now?

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 3: If you would have like a flair tip pin that

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would write on the lemonade sheet.

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Speaker 1: True.

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Speaker 4: You know, uh, I got a question for you, and

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hopefully you can squash some of these slanderous rumors that

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are floating around the interwebs right now because they can't

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be true. The rumor is that nobody has called the

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Saints about trading for Derek Carr. But this can't be true.

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Speaker 2: What I think that's true. I think that's true. I mean,

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dare it was it was. I checked it on it

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up Monday, Monday, Tuesday, Monday or Tuesday, and it was

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it was true as of Tuesday as a Tuesday last week,

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it was true. You haven't it called yet? Interesting? Yeah?

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I mean look that. Yeah. The trade value there too,

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I think is really going to be I mean, it's

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it's a fascinating situation because like, let's say, look, I.

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Speaker 5: Think Derek Carr is probably somebody you.

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Speaker 2: Call on maybe after that first wave a free agency

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goes and it's like, well, do I actually want to

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give up a draft picked.

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Speaker 5: And money or do I just want to give up

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money for somebody?

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Speaker 2: Because I think if you're looking at at Derek Carr, you're.

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Speaker 5: Probably looking at you know, there's other guys that are

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going to be.

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Speaker 2: Out there that are comparable and value and stature and

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all that stuff. So I kind of think maybe when

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the music stops, he's the guy that that's there. And

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then it's it's interesting because like he's kind of in

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total control of this situation. He has a no trade

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clause and even effectively just coming back from from retirement,

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like he can kind of, you know, dictate, hey, look

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I'm not going there or not. Here's the thing though,

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like and again, like this will get really really mess

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and I don't think it would ever get here. Like

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Derek can just say I'm coming back and they have

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to you have to reinstate his contract, so he could

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he could theoretically say I want to go to Minnesota.

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I don't want them to pay too much, and if

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you stand in my way, I'm just gonna reactate. My

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contract is going to blow up your count. I don't

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think that would ever happen, But like, there is that

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that red button scenario, so it makes it it makes

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it hard to gauge. I think, seeing how everything played

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out last year, the willingness to surrender the money and

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all that, Like, I don't think anything like that would

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ever happen. I think that they would be in lockstep

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on trying to figure something out. I don't think he'd

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get ugly, but I mean, there isn't a lot of

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control here on the Saints side of things, so negotiating

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this is going to be fascinating. Like, I think it

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probably ends up the thing where maybe you get like

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a Day three pick, and if they make the playoffs,

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like it improves to like a thurd or report round

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pick or something like that. I don't think it's going

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to be like a massive win for the Saints. I

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don't think they get a lot. I don't think they're

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in a position where they can really grind it out.

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And if there's no market for the guy, like what's

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his actual value too? So that's another thing. So I

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don't think it's going to be anything that's like, man,

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they traded Derek Carr and they got a third rounder, Like,

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I don't think that's gonna happen. Maybe you're from nowt

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Imprus or something like that, but yeah, I don't I

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don't see it going like that.

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Speaker 4: Completely hypothetical question here just for fun, We're not going

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to like quote you on this. You don't have to

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put your whole name behind this, your whole business behind this.

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But the Jets, we were talking about how like these

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fun trades that the Jets could make because I think

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they have six first rounders at their disposal right now.

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On draft. I think it is a seven because they

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get another one for the four years ahead. How many

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first round draft picks would you have to give for you,

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Nick Underhill to trade Tyler Shuck?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, like.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got a price.

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Speaker 2: Where are the Jets hat? You know, like, where are

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they picking up at the top?

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Speaker 4: Probably at the top of that, I guess.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking Arch man, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, where do the Jets pick every single year?

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Speaker 5: So I don't know, man like that.

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Speaker 2: That's fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have for Tyler Shock if they

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offered it to you next week.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean like we're kind of talking like a

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one for one, like like you know, you get Arch

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Banning or something.

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Speaker 2: Like that, and then maybe maybe like a sweet nurse

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like a one in and two or something like that.

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I would have seriously consider it. If I'm actually a

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GM and I've seen this guy play football and I

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feel like he has a chance. I don't think I

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risked my job on it, But like I thought, were

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if I were playing Madden and you get me a

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dance and I get like I get a couple, I

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get a couple of first round picks, you know, and

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I can get Arch or Dante or someone like that.

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I might consider it. It'd be tough, like it in actual.

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Speaker 5: Real life, it would be very It would be very hard.

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Speaker 2: To trade a quarterback that you've seen something from because

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so many of them don't see something from them, and

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number one picks in the draft to these guys who

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always talk about, you know, there's like a sixty percent

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success rate or worse. So like you would probably be

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in saying the trade a guy that can actually win

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you some games, can burn on three down and all

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this stuff.

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Speaker 4: But it's an interesting conversation to have that. I think

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somebody is going to It would be fun if somebody

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had to make that decision somewhere in the NFL. Because

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the Jets have so many assets, they could put a

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package together that could buy almost anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really could, you know, I don't know. Do

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you guys see Aaron sleeping hopefully hopefully the quarterback stuff? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Sleep in the combines? Not well, it's very own brand.

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So anyways, Uh, Nick, you're the man. We appreciate it,

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Nick Underhill, new orlds Stuffootball joins us every single Tuesday,

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Hero on ot B.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, sir. We'll catch up next week.

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Speaker 2: All right, goys, see it easy?

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Speaker 1: All right you as well.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break more OTB when we come back

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just talking about some compensation for one of the quarterback trades.

534
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were playing out this hypothetical situation during the break,

535
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just like we just asked Nick. I asked him the

536
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hypothetical fun question, like how many first rounders would it

537
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take for you to trade Tyler Schuck like your what

538
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you believe is your future at quarterback, because there is

539
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a price for everything, and we were just kind of

540
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looking at comps we threw around. We were talking about,

541
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like I asked the chat, would you trade Tylers shake

542
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for five first round picks? I think everyone was like, yeah,

543
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I think so.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's anybody.

545
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Speaker 4: Boss Taylor said he would trade anybody for four first

546
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round picks. I asked some Tom Brady, No, he'd be

547
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the only He'd be the only one. I gave him

548
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Tom Brady at thirty five years old too, he still

549
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has nine years left.

550
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Speaker 7: Tom played until he was what forty five? So that's

551
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the one that you wouldn't trade for four, the only person.

552
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Speaker 4: But I didn't. You were talking about the Stafford and

553
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Golf trade. I thought it was more kind of like

554
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equal at that because they were this is pretty is

555
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a pretty juicy one. In twenty January twenty twenty one,

556
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the Rams traded Jared Goff plus a third round pick

557
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plus first round picks in twenty two and twenty three

558
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to the Detroit Lions for quarterback Matthew Stafford. Yep, that's

559
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two first rounders, a third and your quarterback.

560
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and golf was.

561
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Speaker 3: He's certainly played better since he's gotten to Detroit. He

562
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wasn't as consistent in LA, but still that's it got

563
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to a super Bowl.

564
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Speaker 8: The players yet, I know they've been drafted, but who

565
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pays I got it.

566
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Speaker 7: It's Jamiir Gibbs, Jamison Williams, and I can't remember the

567
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third round pick, but the first.

568
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Speaker 1: The first Gibbs, the two for most of their team.

569
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Speaker 4: They got their quarterback that they wanted when Jared got.

570
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Speaker 7: Two weapons, Like I don't know who the third was,

571
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but it was the two first were Gibbs and Jamison Williams.

572
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Speaker 1: Gibbs was part of the Stafford.

573
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Speaker 7: I mean it worked out like that was one trade

574
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that you can look back and be like, that was

575
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great for both of them because you was the first

576
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twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two and twenty three.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Gibbs just completed what it's third year, so Yeah,

579
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he would have been a rookie in twenty three, so

580
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that was his draft.

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Speaker 4: So and that was a quarterback in the with Stafford

582
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and the kind of getting close to the twilight of

583
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his career. I know quarterbacks can play for a long

584
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time now, but yeah, that's pretty wild, that's pretty steep.

585
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So we're talking about this hypothetical with Tyler Shuck, a

586
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guy that's played what eight games now, who but you

587
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believe is your guy. But it's just a fun little hypothetical.

588
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Just think in your brain, if you're listening to us

589
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out there, if you're watching us on YouTube, whatever it is,

590
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just think what would you give up? What would it

591
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take for you to have to give up Tyler Shuck.

592
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Not that it's e forgoten, don't do it, just but

593
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if the Jets get crazy, they get a little squirrely

594
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out there. We just talked about earlier in the show

595
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about how terrible the free agent market is, how there

596
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is not really a somebody that is deserving of like

597
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a number two draft pick at quarterback.

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Speaker 3: What quarterback in the National Football League, though, do you

599
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actually think is available that would be worthy of you

600
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giving up two first round picks that would actually be

601
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available right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned it earlier. I think that you could

603
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go out and make an offer to get Joe Burrow.

604
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I think you make an offer to get Lamar Jackson.

605
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Speaker 1: Those two Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 4: I think Jerry. I think Jerry would do it. Yeah,

607
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I did.

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Speaker 7: I think Jerry would do it. He traded Mike, took

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him forever and even paid Dak. I thought he paid

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him a year late, which is why he's having to

611
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pay him so much money.

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Speaker 4: He's coming off a career year.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's looking for him, but there's not a lot out

614
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there because you're either no way in hell, I'm giving

615
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up my guy, Patrick Mahomes. Nobody's given like no, Justin Herbert, no, right,

616
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you go down this Drake May No, Josh Allen no.

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Speaker 1: So like the other one.

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Speaker 4: Hjalen Hurts. They played really well with mac John. I'm

619
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not saying Mak Jones is their answer, just saying Shannan

620
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has that type offense that you can plug in a dude.

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But the Super Bowl with Garoppolo, mm hmm.

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Speaker 8: I think there was trade party at the price is right.

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That makes sense just because like you said, Shanahan can

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make anybody.

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Speaker 4: That's why it makes this situation with the Jets so

626
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:25,599
intriguing because they're a dumb organization, they're crazy, and they

627
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have more assets than that anybody. We've never seen anybody

628
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offer like and they can do it and still have

629
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first rounders in their back pocket. Yeah, why do you trade?

630
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Why do you make that trade with Sauscott or mid

631
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,359
season to get assets? What do you use those assets for?

632
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,599
You can build a roster and hope that you hit

633
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or you can.

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Speaker 3: Go because even like it got like Trevor Lawrence Wait

635
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,720
had a hell of a year. Yeah, so like now,

636
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like a year ago, you probably could have now probably not.

637
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So like you have all these assets, you have all

638
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these things that you're disposable, Like what is realistic out there?

639
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And that's probably the two you gave, or probably only two.

640
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I don't I don't know that anybody else worth what

641
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we're talking about would be available.

642
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Speaker 4: Let's just think about this from like an elementary standpoint.

643
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You take five first round picks, you draft them. You

644
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,480
you're doing pretty good if three of them hit, so

645
00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,599
you got two wasted. So you take those two that

646
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are wasted that you're thinking in your head like statistically,

647
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,519
I'm probably gonna miss on two. Take those two, then

648
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,599
you add that a third one, which is somebody you

649
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:28,640
would take that would hit. Yeah, now you got three

650
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,440
draft picks, three first rounders. The trade you're gonna who's

651
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,880
giving up. Everybody's gonna be giving up somebody.

652
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Speaker 8: And honestly, like it depends on how hard one of

653
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:40,440
those picks hit you. Unit the rest of really don't

654
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,359
even matter. Like if you if you netted like a

655
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Michael Parsons out of one of those trades, like one

656
00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:46,440
of those picks is like well, I mean we end

657
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:49,400
up getting a generational pass rusher. So it's like, depending

658
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,200
how hard one of those picks become. It's like, well,

659
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,119
even though these next two guys are jags, like this

660
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:58,279
guy was an all time great, just a guy.

661
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Speaker 1: I call this naph as non athletic dudes.

662
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Speaker 8: Non athletic dudes. I mean, what is there an ADS

663
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in an NFL.

664
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Speaker 3: Maybe the standard of what we're talking about, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

665
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to the NFL standard. Yeah, I love it, I guess

666
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I mean like pretty good I do. I yeah, I

667
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will say I agree with you there, Like even even

668
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when my sons are like that guy's terrible, I'm like, hey, bud.

669
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Speaker 1: He's the one percent of the one percent. Yeah, you

670
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:32,680
should probably hold off on Sandy's terrible.

671
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Speaker 4: That guy's got his uh jersey hanging in high school

672
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for sure, unless unless you're me, it's me, it's me.

673
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Speaker 7: He's sitting on the couch on Sunday. The guy drops

674
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,319
some past I'm like, you gotta cut him. You gotta

675
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,440
move on from this guy. Can't do Anything's terrible. Yeah,

676
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,559
how do you even make it real?

677
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Speaker 8: He's like, yeah, this guy ran for three thousand yards

678
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,519
and one season in high school. Is like, yeah, yeah, I.

679
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Speaker 4: Wish just family a lifetime of failures. Man.

680
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Speaker 3: I only say that to people who are card breakers

681
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who don't give me a hit. I don't say at

682
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the football players. I might have wished some bad things

683
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,920
on a couple of card breakers or too.

684
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's not their fault.

685
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Speaker 1: It is trying.

686
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Speaker 3: It's their fault, always their fault. All Right, we gotta

687
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,880
play catch up. Great stuff though by Nick Underhill. I

688
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,960
did get a chance to see him and Mike Triplet

689
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,200
in Indianapolis, and Saints are in a I think a

690
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:30,799
good spot.

691
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Speaker 1: They're in a good spot. Just what they need is

692
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,279
going to be available at some position.

693
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Speaker 3: I don't know where they're leaning right now, but they

694
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,680
can quickly audible to another person that can help them

695
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,519
win football games. And I think they're in the sweet

696
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,079
spot of having the number eight overall pick and somebody's

697
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,119
going to fall to them that they probably didn't expect,

698
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440
and they're probably gonna select that player, and I don't

699
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,799
think it's gonna be an offensive player.

700
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Speaker 8: It's scary though. It's scary because this we're actually in

701
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920
the situation where we're having expectations for the Saints to

702
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,440
not threw it up. Like last year, there really was

703
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,519
no expectations like Okay, you know, we'll see what we

704
00:31:03,599 --> 00:31:05,200
got in Ridler, we'll see what we got in Shucked.

705
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,880
But it wasn't like like now that you even were saying,

706
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,400
it's about the teen of my five games, like like

707
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
they over It feels weird though, like the grand scheme,

708
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,079
the only want five games, but it feels like they

709
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:14,880
want a little bit more.

710
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they want down stretch.

711
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's just like now it's the lights are

712
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,039
on you, Mickey, all the eyes are back on you.

713
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920
So it's like you have to know this pick. And

714
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,799
that's that's where we're at.

715
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: With it.

716
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break more ot B when

717
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240
we come back here live from the Raisin Kine Studio.

718
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 8: Off the bench, it's fox man.

719
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,759
Speaker 9: I'm just saying I was talking to the girls, you know,

720
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:41,079
and we don't put enough emphasis on the ladies sometimes.

721
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 8: You know, I was talking to this girl.

722
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,039
Speaker 9: She was talking about the music all fast in the club.

723
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,279
You know, she got drink water because she's thirsty. She

724
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,680
didn't dance like ninety two hundred songs back to back.

725
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,079
But ain't nobody, you know, really try to find out

726
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,279
what she feeling like, how she feels you know, you know, you.

727
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: Know what she told me blocked in on LSU Football

728
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,920
twenty four to seven. You're listening to off Oh she says.

729
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 6: She wants some more some U banjos a little but

730
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:17,519
definitely said this plenty around, some new.

731
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Speaker 4: Deficit this py guess where.

732
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Speaker 6: Definitely I'm sold that you drop over and y'all low

733
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,599
when bring some friends you cool with, I'm gonna bring

734
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the cool will then I want you to stript the

735
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you wis me?

736
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:36,359
Speaker 4: All right?

737
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Speaker 1: All right, as I said, welcome back in OTB.

756
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and I'm looking at some of the

757
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,799
different combined times and some of the different things that

758
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,519
we saw. And I'm just sitting here looking at the

759
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,559
multiple LSU receivers that and incredibly well they're in India.

760
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,440
It's like, man, that's gonna be one of those teams

761
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,359
that we talk about that just underachieved. Certainly on the

762
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,599
offensive side of the football. The defense held their own.

763
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,199
The defense was on the field all the time, all

764
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,239
day every day. It felt like, I mean, when you

765
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,199
have that kind of talent and receiver and you can't

766
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,320
figure out how to get them the football, when you

767
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,079
can't have route concepts that are real route concepts, when

768
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:25,000
you don't have screens that are real screens, I get.

769
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,519
It's so frustrating when you have an offense that doesn't

770
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,320
run gap schemes at all. You just say, we can't

771
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,559
do it, We're not going to do it, and you

772
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,960
are hard headed about it. I don't know what this

773
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,760
team ceiling really was, but with the personnel that they have,

774
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,400
and I look up and I see a tight end

775
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,920
at the combine. I see five receivers at the combine.

776
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,800
I see a quarterback at the combine. It's like, I know,

777
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,559
there wasn't any offensive line, and it was a young

778
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,360
group and those guys you know, either at LSU still

779
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,840
have gone elsewhere. But even going back to the group

780
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,440
that they had where all five of them got drafted,

781
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,639
I think we're gonna look back at these years of

782
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,960
Lustrue football and say you had to get more out

783
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,719
of that group, and you let a lot of talent

784
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,239
go out the window and set you back.

785
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we've given, of course, the we given the

786
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,760
coaching staff a hard time this year. Certainly they got

787
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,719
they got fired, so rightfully we gave them a hard

788
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,480
time because we called out the weaknesses and scheme. Now

789
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,000
now more information obviously always comes out, and you got

790
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,280
to think that it probably was a challenging situation for

791
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,480
them when your quarterback injures himself in the second day

792
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,440
of training camp and affects the way he plays, but

793
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,159
not affected it to the way like, Okay, he's injured,

794
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,559
clear doesn't need to play. Put the backup input van

795
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,239
Buren in. Because you can't tell me that Garrett still

796
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,599
didn't give you the best opportunity to win against Clemton.

797
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,559
He didn't give you the best opportunity to win throughout

798
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,559
the season. Now at some point it just got worse

799
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,039
and worse and worse. And the bad habits formed. But

800
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,519
like you got to look back at some of the

801
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,079
coaching and you know, we hit him hard, but how

802
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,920
much was it, you know, having to adjust the scheme

803
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:58,960
based on like what we didn't know at the time,

804
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,719
which was Garry mus was hurt and he was playing

805
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,480
through it and he couldn't throw the ball. Like, it's

806
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,239
probably pretty tough to formulate that game plan. And how

807
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,679
about this, if you want to have the butterfly effect

808
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,079
and go back and look at it. Garrett hurt getting

809
00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:16,440
hurt in the second game of the season. It's probably

810
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,599
the only reason lang kiv is a head coach. It's true,

811
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,559
Brian Kelly is still probably your head coach if Garrett

812
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:26,519
Nutsmeyer does not get hurt in training camp. So it's

813
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,440
a butterfly effect. You can do that with every team.

814
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,000
You can do that with every draft pick. You can

815
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:32,119
do that with everything in sports and in life. I

816
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:35,039
get it he's looking back, but just think about that.

817
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,840
If it doesn't happen, we probably have a much more

818
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,440
successful season. And Brian Kelly, who's got this massive buyout,

819
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,719
there's not the public push, public and governmental push to

820
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,239
get your head coach fired. And that the appetite is

821
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,599
probably not there to pay that buyout and then of

822
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,639
course ay more to bring a new head coach. So

823
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480
what a wild world and wild like way to think

824
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:04,920
about it. But you do have to say you can't,

825
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:06,760
just like you can't can't. We can't stand on the

826
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,360
on the soapbox to say they were terrible, terrible, terrible table.

827
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,280
It's probably pretty hard for me that game plan when

828
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480
your quarterback can't really throw like you can for since

829
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:15,719
day two of training camp.

830
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm with you, but I'll just.

831
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: But I am also on you that if that is

832
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,960
the case, you've got to come up with something. You

833
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:23,880
get paid millions of dollars to come up with something

834
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:25,960
that you can do that you can get done that

835
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:28,800
tries to mask what your injury was and not try

836
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,480
so you fit the square peg in the round.

837
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 4: They got fired. They should have been fired. Yeah, it's bad.

838
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,119
Speaker 3: It's just it's frustrating covering an event like that. And

839
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,440
I look up and I'm like, I hear all these

840
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,480
NFL people Matt talk about, oh my god, Monsort delaying

841
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,000
and watch that guy's taping like I have called all

842
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,280
his games. He J Hawsey, you gotta go watch that

843
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,679
guy I did called his games, saw him, and then

844
00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,440
they start talking about man save on Toms watch.

845
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: I'll not use that guy more. It's like, that's a

846
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,159
great question. We asked that question a lot.

847
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,119
Speaker 3: It's like all these all these guys, all these scouts

848
00:37:58,159 --> 00:37:59,960
that I've known for decades, are coming up to me

849
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:02,679
asking me these questions, talking about these players, and I'm like, no,

850
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,000
you're right, I know yep, I've seen them.

851
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,519
Speaker 1: I've seen what they're capable of.

852
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 4: And well you can you can say that talent, that

853
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,480
type of talent the year before and gart and that's

854
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,199
aby how good he actually is and the talent he

855
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,400
has masked a lot of that, a lot of that

856
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,159
crappy game planning. Yeah, so you just couldn't mask it

857
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,079
this year. And so let's.

858
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,159
Speaker 1: Bad coaching can make a really good player.

859
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,079
Speaker 3: Terrible, very bad, or disappear, or he can make him

860
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:31,960
very average or you know, there's different.

861
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: Levels to it.

862
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 4: Like in football, you can just make him disappear because

863
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,239
you don't understand conceptual football. You don't understand how to

864
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,000
create a matchup advantages and get the guy the football

865
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
and open space. You get the guy the football. Well,

866
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,920
he I gave him twelve touches and you didn't do anything. Well, yeah,

867
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,280
because it sucks everywhere else.

868
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, Uls, you literally just had a guy like that.

869
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,800
I mean, Jake talks about him all the time, but

870
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:53,760
Omar Spate's like.

871
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:55,559
Speaker 1: This dude was just about to bring him up.

872
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 8: But are you the one that made me realize about

873
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,159
Omar Space? Like, this guy's starting on a round and LSU, Yeah,

874
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,719
like one of the best teams in the NFL. That's

875
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,199
their their lead scout. Yeah, he is a Green, their

876
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,119
lead scout.

877
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,199
Speaker 3: Came up to our table found I was an LSU go, oh, man,

878
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,360
we love Omar Spates. I said, yeah, I did too,

879
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,840
and I try to tell people about how good he

880
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,159
was at Oregon State. Then all of a sudden, his

881
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,000
nickname was slow Mare Spates in bad ruge. That wasn't

882
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:20,559
because he forgot how to play football. He was a

883
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,840
Pack ten defensive Player of the Year. He got into

884
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,800
Matt House the system, and he played slow because it

885
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,960
didn't make sense. The math wasn't adding up on some

886
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:28,559
of the stuff that they had to try to do.

887
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,239
Right to your point, you said his name, I was like, hey,

888
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,800
the start the middle linebacker for the l a Rams

889
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,320
that came to l s U for a year and

890
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:38,039
number one in and out kind of the line up

891
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,400
a little bit because they said he couldn't play.

892
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: No, the defense was set up for failure.

893
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 3: And so like that's some of the things that you know,

894
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,800
you kind of lose sight of when you're in the moment, Like, man,

895
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,880
I don't know if this guy can play.

896
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: It's like, no, he wasn't put in a position to succeed.

897
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,920
He didn't understand the assignment because it wasn't taught to him.

898
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,519
Speaker 8: Nobody succeeded on that defense, No, nobody.

899
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,599
Speaker 3: They're still there's still guys in the Jay Ward's still

900
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:00,400
in the NFL. There's guys a week with you in

901
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,480
the league defense. So make no mistake about it. The

902
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,360
scheme matters as much as anything when it comes to college.

903
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,559
Speaker 4: I just remember, like anybody at any level of authority,

904
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960
not everybody knows what they're doing. Like at the top,

905
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,880
there's bad coaches in the NFL. There's really bad coaches

906
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,239
in college. And when you sprinkle them in and you

907
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,400
give the wrong guy power, you give the wrong guy

908
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,679
authority just because that's the next step in their career.

909
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,119
And like he was good at one thing doesn't mean

910
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,840
he's gonna be good another thing. And they're as bad

911
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,840
managers out there in business that are in powers positions

912
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,679
of power. They're like, well, yet he knows what he's doing.

913
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,639
He's a coach at LSU. I mean, sometimes there's some

914
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,400
huge idiots out there, may.

915
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: Have big dumb dumbsh fans.

916
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 4: I'm a dumb dumb so really good.

917
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: You said it well, a lot of people abably said that,

918
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:49,559
but I will I will tell you this. I will

919
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,559
tell you this LSU fans. Joe Brady walked by me.

920
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,480
I was on the podium, so I was. I was

921
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:57,079
on the show, and he knew I couldn't like take

922
00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:57,920
my head set off.

923
00:40:58,679 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: He hit me with the go.

924
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,199
Speaker 8: Tigers, see you up by real I want to sugar

925
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:04,199
his hand like thank you.

926
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

927
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: I end up talking to him later, but it's funny.

928
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:09,239
It made me laugh on air, as he's other now

929
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,320
head coach at the Buffalo Bills. As you all know,

930
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,280
all right, we'll take a break, we'll wrap up O

931
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,119
TV when we come back here live from the Raizing

932
00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:15,679
King Studio.

933
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 8: Off the bench, it's.

934
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 4: Locked in on LSU Football twenty four to seven you're

935
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,599
listening to off the bench.

936
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,119
Speaker 10: We're your hosts for the night, cool the ra You're

937
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,000
not locking your leadership from that hour. I know all

938
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,960
your hot girls is touned in right now, so you're

939
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,000
gonna send this one now, you camions called Rodeo talk to.

940
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 1: A pair of y'all need to open your eels up

941
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:48,920
and soap this game up.

942
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 8: If nobody don't know, ye, I'm gonna meet y'all.

943
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 2: Fame lost this twenty four carriage.

944
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 9: But if Sean likes same lost, just look at how

945
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I think as I sat here, I just got more

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angry about the situation for E L Store Football lat year.

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But you know what, you got to turn that frown

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upside right because you got the guy that you wanted

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in charge, and it's because of well, you're bad season.

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Speaker 1: So all things are pointing out, Matthew.

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Speaker 4: Up, we're gonna crush.

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Speaker 3: There are the off season program right now. So looking

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forward to getting out there for spring football.

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Speaker 4: Hmm absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're gonna be a morning

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team like they were a year ago. I don't know,

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Lane Kibbins m o there. But if you want some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to win a Nattie, probably in

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Speaker 3: Even afternoon, they got another show. But if you practice

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Speaker 4: Yeah, unless we got some other things to do. Hey,

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it's been a great show. We love you guys listening.

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We appreciate Jordan, thank you for staying filling in.

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Speaker 4: It was great. We love you America.

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