Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
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Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, and for this week of December thirtieth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Loss Season two, Episode two, a Drift,
Speaker 1: And as predicted, this does have to do with the
Speaker 1: aftermath of the Wrath explosion, but also just rewinds the
Speaker 1: whole hatch episode in a way that was really confusing,
Speaker 1: because you know, they had the previous lease and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're in the hatch doing this thing.
Speaker 1: And my husband was like this wasn't on last week,
Speaker 1: and I said, no, I think we're just seeing it now. Again.
Speaker 1: From Locke and Kate's point of view, was it ended
Speaker 1: at the same point as last episode ended, with no
Speaker 1: forward progress made, but in that in that storyline, in
Speaker 1: that storyline, But meanwhile, the other storylines were all going forward.
Speaker 1: So there's a weird time bubble around the hatch apparently.
Speaker 2: Is this where this starts, being like, we're flashing back,
Speaker 2: we're flashing forward, we're repeating.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the start of the flash forwards.
Speaker 1: But it was a just an odd structure, I think,
Speaker 1: and I wish they had. I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: made for a disjointed feeling episode, right, But I guess
Speaker 1: maybe we were sort of flashing back on what happened
Speaker 1: to the raft, So I guess maybe these things were
Speaker 1: actually going on at the same time, but.
Speaker 2: They just had so much story they had to go
Speaker 2: just get in there again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, did you hear that Michael
Speaker 1: had his son taken away to him twice now magging
Speaker 1: my son my Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so much.
Speaker 1: Screaming out there on the water. Yes, really, these guys
Speaker 1: are going to not be able to speak for a week,
Speaker 1: and that will be a good thing.
Speaker 2: Right, So we saw this whole thing where Walt's mother,
Speaker 2: Susan wanted to She wanted Michael to give up his
Speaker 2: rights so that her partner could adopt Walt. Yes, but like,
Speaker 2: why couldn't she just have custody of Walt and take
Speaker 2: him where she wanted to go and Michael could still
Speaker 2: be his father, like.
Speaker 1: One would think, I like, let the kids stay with
Speaker 1: him for a week every year or something, especially since
Speaker 1: at the earliest opportunity Brian ditched the kid. So apparently
Speaker 1: it wasn't Brian saying I love this boy. He is
Speaker 1: my son, right, please let me be his father?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: He was like he was going along with Susan just
Speaker 1: like Michael was. Yeah, and she is a cold fish,
Speaker 1: isn't she.
Speaker 2: She did figure out how to talk.
Speaker 1: Michael into which she did.
Speaker 2: She said, you're going to win. But here's why you're
Speaker 2: gonna do what.
Speaker 1: I have this great career opportunity. Please sign over your son.
Speaker 1: Why does she get to do what she wants to do?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it also didn't really
Speaker 1: seem like Michael was that invested, but it wasn't really
Speaker 1: his fault because she kept taking him ay right, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did enjoy his lawyer being like, look, I'm
Speaker 2: not very good at my job, and that's why you
Speaker 2: can avoid afford me.
Speaker 1: Hey, Sol Rubinet, tip of the hat Man, nice to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, and boy, her attorney was just so
Speaker 1: horrible it made me hate. Susan Moore. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 1: came in from an entirely different show. She oh man,
Speaker 1: Yeah that was rough, and I mean not wrong, but
Speaker 1: still rough. And also I don't think his fault, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't know his son because she took him away.
Speaker 2: She took him away. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and the kid, you realize at the end.
Speaker 2: Is still very young. Yeah, he's little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like he's in high school and you've
Speaker 1: never met any time with him.
Speaker 2: He's a baby. It's been it's been like two years
Speaker 2: at the most. Yeah, y she first left.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like a large portion of which he had
Speaker 1: been in a car accident. He was trying to get
Speaker 1: into you know, get in contact with his son, and
Speaker 1: then he was hit by a car. So lady lawyer, lady,
Speaker 1: we protest. This was just a more polite and discreet
Speaker 1: method of pulling up in a boat and saying, we're
Speaker 1: going to have to take the boy right sailing off.
Speaker 1: It's just better clothes, but you know, the same basic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no wonder Michael araumatized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah guy, Yeah, but he's still again. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's didn't see that kid, presumably from when he was
Speaker 1: like two to when he was however old Walt is
Speaker 1: supposed to be now. Yeah, like ten doesn't really know
Speaker 1: him or have much of a rapport with him, and
Speaker 1: you know, was not wanting to really have him when
Speaker 1: he got dumped on him. So it's like, we're taking
Speaker 1: the kid away and then oh wait no, now you
Speaker 1: can have him back with the Yeah, these people I
Speaker 1: are not so nice Susan and Bryant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's just basic basically doing a lot of
Speaker 1: screaming for his son. Yeah, that kid pretty much disrespects
Speaker 1: me and I don't really know very much. Sawyer says,
Speaker 1: I should spank, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bring back.
Speaker 1: Bobbing around in the water screaming wall Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: whole time I'm like, where's Gin?
Speaker 2: But we do find that out at the end of
Speaker 2: the episode.
Speaker 1: He apparently made landfall a little more quickly than his
Speaker 1: compatriots right, and was discovered by well they are others, yes,
Speaker 1: whether they're the other others, we do not yet know.
Speaker 2: Yes. But he he.
Speaker 1: He unable to speak English, is kind of can't really
Speaker 1: explain himself.
Speaker 2: But he did come up with a new word others
Speaker 2: that he had not he had not known.
Speaker 1: Before with that on the list that that son made
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: Maid, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Whatever. It is Korean for weird people on the island.
Speaker 2: Scary scary people with improvised, awful looking weapons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who could they be? We want? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: better than the shark, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you had this problem too. But
Speaker 2: I couldn't see that there.
Speaker 1: I could not.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the shark when Michael shot it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I felt like, how are you shooting the shark without
Speaker 2: shooting sawyer, Like.
Speaker 1: You can get together and shoot the shark.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, according to lost Pedia, the shark had a
Speaker 1: logo on it, but I couldn't see that either.
Speaker 2: I couldn't either. But I did remember how last week
Speaker 2: when we were talking about the hatch and you know,
Speaker 2: Desmond's whole like living space down there, and I said, well,
Speaker 2: how did he get like brand name stuff like laundry detergent.
Speaker 2: And then in this one you see his pantry where
Speaker 2: yeah it's all brand name, but it's one brand. Yeah
Speaker 2: it's Dharma everything, which which I know is part of
Speaker 2: the whole lost.
Speaker 1: I think we all, we all can can uh, we
Speaker 1: all are Kate in that situation.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: You're in this scary situation. You got to escape, you
Speaker 1: gotta go. But candy bar, Oh my gosh, I must
Speaker 1: eat one immediately and also stuff them in my pocket.
Speaker 2: And my my tiny pockets of my tiny jeans, and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna go crawl through an air vent. I
Speaker 2: don't think she's gonna come out with those candy bars.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is yeah, but but still it's like you
Speaker 1: want to go hurry, hurry, hurry. It's dangerous, dangerous. But
Speaker 1: I completely understand.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would have been there, like how many
Speaker 2: how many more can I? I would have stuffed them
Speaker 2: down my shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying. Oh my, that was
Speaker 1: a very human moment right there. Yes, amidst all this weirdness.
Speaker 2: Right all right? Not leaving here without that caper.
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm sure, she's taking them to share with everybody
Speaker 1: back at the right, right, that's.
Speaker 2: Why she needed to bring a bunch with her.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a trail of trail of candy bar
Speaker 1: wrappers between camp. Shoot, they must have fallen out of
Speaker 1: my pocket, yes, yeah, but uh, we get more of
Speaker 1: what happened down there with lock very coolly engaging Desmond
Speaker 1: and conversation right and uh, you know, didn't have the
Speaker 1: didn't have the password right when snowman say to the
Speaker 1: other snowman. So he was exposed as not being him.
Speaker 1: But he got to chat the guy up, and he
Speaker 1: got to input something into the computer. What do you
Speaker 1: suppose must be put into that computer every certain number
Speaker 1: of hours? The anything familiar?
Speaker 2: Is it every one hundred and eight hours or one
Speaker 2: hundred and eight minutes?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's one hundred and eight something, yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight out. No, it's more than once
Speaker 1: a day, so it must be one hundred and eight minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he needs those hypodermic needles because he
Speaker 2: can't sleep more than one hundred and seven minutes at
Speaker 2: a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you would need something for that. But I
Speaker 1: think the hypodermic was for the quarantine situation because he
Speaker 1: believes everybody outside of the hatchet I see. So he
Speaker 1: seems like he's been misinformed in many important ways. Is
Speaker 1: he going to be ticked off when he finds out
Speaker 1: he's been sitting it? Ale? Everything outside is just fine,
Speaker 1: except for the whispers and the visions and the others
Speaker 1: and the child stealers and all that other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just us, except for.
Speaker 1: Some very testy castaways. But besides that, maybe you want
Speaker 1: to stay in your hole, buddy, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: peaceful there, yep. I'd send you down some female companionship maybe,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, or male, who knows. But it's quite a little,
Speaker 1: quite a little place he's got there, Yeah, he's got.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the rat would be on something. Well,
Speaker 1: the island is weird, so yeah, yeah, I'd like an
Speaker 1: elevator to get down there.
Speaker 2: I think, Well, if you're never going to leave, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter it.
Speaker 1: Guess the artificial sunlight and the very odd to see
Speaker 1: in this jungle space, such a such a odd little
Speaker 1: uh yeah, module.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: As I predicted, Michael did blame Sawyer for setting off
Speaker 1: the flair. Yes, that caused the boat to find them
Speaker 1: and then take his son. They but Sawyer has it
Speaker 1: all figured out that this was the boy the the
Speaker 1: others were intending. They said they were going to take
Speaker 1: the boy, you know they were. Everybody thought it was Aaron,
Speaker 1: but it was in fact Wall Sawyer has read lost Pedia. Yes,
Speaker 1: knows the stitch. Yes, but Michael feels that no, certainly not.
Speaker 1: It was because of the flair. Nobody would have had
Speaker 1: somebody looking for them, would never have found them without that, right, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a confusing time, but they'll soon
Speaker 1: have some distraction, something to think about, for sure. I
Speaker 1: was amused again as we were last week when Desmond
Speaker 1: kept pointing the gun at Lock and saying to Jack,
Speaker 1: do you want him to die? Maybe that's the wrong.
Speaker 2: Question to ask, right consider.
Speaker 1: Not Yeah, maybe if they if he was threatening Kate,
Speaker 1: that would be great. But Locke had cleverly made the switch.
Speaker 1: So but uh, at one point they hear some noise
Speaker 1: and and uh, Desmond says, who's that? And Locke very
Speaker 1: calmly says that would be Jack. Of course, of course
Speaker 1: he's gonna come. We knew that.
Speaker 2: Everybody knew that. Yes, you'd think that with whatever this
Speaker 2: you know, mystery illness that Desmond is worried about, to
Speaker 2: find out that there's a doctor, yeah, he should be like,
Speaker 2: oh good, because I'm running low on my injectable meds.
Speaker 1: They have enough for another decade?
Speaker 2: Ors right then, what am I gonna But of.
Speaker 1: Course the doctor is coming from the place where the
Speaker 1: sickness supposedly is, right, So yeah, Desmond's got somebody's got
Speaker 1: to sit him down and explain, yeah, that things are
Speaker 1: not as the as he has been told.
Speaker 2: There are many weird things on this island, but everyone
Speaker 2: no one's got so much as his sniffles out there.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, they have not. So this was sort of
Speaker 1: a setting things, setting things up. I was frustrated that
Speaker 1: we didn't go any further forward with that hatch plot
Speaker 1: line that we had before, but it still ended with
Speaker 1: you and uh, Desmond not really responding, right. I want
Speaker 1: to see where that goes. I can't quite remember how
Speaker 1: they try to reconcile. How it is that they're all
Speaker 1: the same very strange.
Speaker 2: Place, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So hopefully next next next week we move forward
Speaker 1: in all plots, please and no more screaming. Enough of
Speaker 1: the screaming.
Speaker 2: You don't think that when the others come over that
Speaker 2: little ridge with all their weapons, that Wald or that
Speaker 2: Michael and Sawyer and Jan aren't going to be screaming.
Speaker 1: Michael. Michael could scream to them give me my son,
Speaker 1: you took my.
Speaker 2: Son, right, But instead of just screaming, woad.
Speaker 1: Enough to make Sawyer like risk his life to go
Speaker 1: to a different raft so close by, Oh man, give
Speaker 1: it up. Just makes him feel good to scream it.
Speaker 2: And then and then Sawyer of course responds by just
Speaker 2: screaming Gin's.
Speaker 1: Right before he then did he dig a bullet out
Speaker 1: of his own shoulder? Is that what happened there? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: do we have like a contest for most gruesome? I
Speaker 1: still think lighting Charlie's eye on fire is more grooesome
Speaker 1: than digging a bullet out of your own shoulder. Still,
Speaker 1: Jack needs to set up needs to call in like
Speaker 1: a nice a nice clinic. We need a nice like
Speaker 1: city MD to open up on the island where you
Speaker 1: can get yourself some decent healthcare and not you know,
Speaker 1: sterilize things in weird ways and do self surgery. Agree,
Speaker 1: But he's a tough guy, as Sawyer. This is how
Speaker 1: tough he is, well, bullet ain't gonna stop.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the shark will stay away. It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: As we float around on these just like four sticks
Speaker 2: of bamboo, no problem in the dark.
Speaker 1: But yay, they reached the beach again.
Speaker 2: Are they going to be happy they got there?
Speaker 1: Well, there are there are others, and then there are others.
Speaker 1: So we need to know which others these others are.
Speaker 1: It could be friendly others and hostile others, just all
Speaker 1: sorts of other others. And hopefully next week we'll find
Speaker 1: out more about that. Let's get out of the water.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get out of the hatch. Let's move things along,
Speaker 1: shall we. Okay, like we had a two episode opening episode.
Speaker 2: Here, Yeah, yeah, we can.
Speaker 1: Well, we're all caught up. We're all caught up now forward,
Speaker 1: So next week, see if this sounds like a forward
Speaker 1: kind of episode. Next Tuesday, we will continue with season two,
Speaker 1: episode three of Loss, which is called Orientation, which is
Speaker 1: a lock flashback episode. Okay, and we will see you
Speaker 1: back here tomorrow for a special New Year's Day episode,
Speaker 1: and then Thursday for our shrinking chat. Thank you for listening.
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