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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, and for this week of December thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Loss Season two, Episode two, a Drift,

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<v Speaker 1>And as predicted, this does have to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>aftermath of the Wrath explosion, but also just rewinds the

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<v Speaker 1>whole hatch episode in a way that was really confusing,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, they had the previous lease and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, they're in the hatch doing this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And my husband was like this wasn't on last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, no, I think we're just seeing it now. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>From Locke and Kate's point of view, was it ended

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<v Speaker 1>at the same point as last episode ended, with no

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<v Speaker 1>forward progress made, but in that in that storyline, in

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<v Speaker 1>that storyline, But meanwhile, the other storylines were all going forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a weird time bubble around the hatch apparently.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this where this starts, being like, we're flashing back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're flashing forward, we're repeating.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is the start of the flash forwards.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was a just an odd structure, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish they had. I don't know. It just

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<v Speaker 1>made for a disjointed feeling episode, right, But I guess

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we were sort of flashing back on what happened

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<v Speaker 1>to the raft, So I guess maybe these things were

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<v Speaker 1>actually going on at the same time, but.

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<v Speaker 2>They just had so much story they had to go

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<v Speaker 2>just get in there again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and by the way, did you hear that Michael

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<v Speaker 1>had his son taken away to him twice now magging

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<v Speaker 1>my son my Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay, so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Screaming out there on the water. Yes, really, these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to not be able to speak for a week,

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<v Speaker 1>and that will be a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So we saw this whole thing where Walt's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Susan wanted to She wanted Michael to give up his

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<v Speaker 2>rights so that her partner could adopt Walt. Yes, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>why couldn't she just have custody of Walt and take

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<v Speaker 2>him where she wanted to go and Michael could still

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<v Speaker 2>be his father, like.

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<v Speaker 1>One would think, I like, let the kids stay with

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<v Speaker 1>him for a week every year or something, especially since

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<v Speaker 1>at the earliest opportunity Brian ditched the kid. So apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't Brian saying I love this boy. He is

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<v Speaker 1>my son, right, please let me be his father?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>He was like he was going along with Susan just

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<v Speaker 1>like Michael was. Yeah, and she is a cold fish,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't she.

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<v Speaker 2>She did figure out how to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael into which she did.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, you're going to win. But here's why you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do what.

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<v Speaker 1>I have this great career opportunity. Please sign over your son.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does she get to do what she wants to do?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it also didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>seem like Michael was that invested, but it wasn't really

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<v Speaker 1>his fault because she kept taking him ay right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did enjoy his lawyer being like, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not very good at my job, and that's why you

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<v Speaker 2>can avoid afford me.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Sol Rubinet, tip of the hat Man, nice to

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<v Speaker 1>see it. Yeah, and boy, her attorney was just so

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<v Speaker 1>horrible it made me hate. Susan Moore. Oh yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>came in from an entirely different show. She oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was rough, and I mean not wrong, but

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<v Speaker 1>still rough. And also I don't think his fault, but

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know his son because she took him away.

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<v Speaker 2>She took him away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So and the kid, you realize at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Is still very young. Yeah, he's little.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not like he's in high school and you've

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<v Speaker 1>never met any time with him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a baby. It's been it's been like two years

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<v Speaker 2>at the most. Yeah, y she first left.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like a large portion of which he had

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<v Speaker 1>been in a car accident. He was trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>into you know, get in contact with his son, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he was hit by a car. So lady lawyer, lady,

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<v Speaker 1>we protest. This was just a more polite and discreet

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<v Speaker 1>method of pulling up in a boat and saying, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to take the boy right sailing off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just better clothes, but you know, the same basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no wonder Michael araumatized.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah guy, Yeah, but he's still again. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's didn't see that kid, presumably from when he was

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<v Speaker 1>like two to when he was however old Walt is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be now. Yeah, like ten doesn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>him or have much of a rapport with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was not wanting to really have him when

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<v Speaker 1>he got dumped on him. So it's like, we're taking

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<v Speaker 1>the kid away and then oh wait no, now you

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<v Speaker 1>can have him back with the Yeah, these people I

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<v Speaker 1>are not so nice Susan and Bryant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's just basic basically doing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>screaming for his son. Yeah, that kid pretty much disrespects

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<v Speaker 1>me and I don't really know very much. Sawyer says,

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<v Speaker 1>I should spank, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring back.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobbing around in the water screaming wall Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time I'm like, where's Gin?

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<v Speaker 2>But we do find that out at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently made landfall a little more quickly than his

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<v Speaker 1>compatriots right, and was discovered by well they are others, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're the other others, we do not yet know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. But he he.

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<v Speaker 1>He unable to speak English, is kind of can't really

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<v Speaker 1>explain himself.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did come up with a new word others

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<v Speaker 2>that he had not he had not known.

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<v Speaker 1>Before with that on the list that that son made

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Maid, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever. It is Korean for weird people on the island.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary scary people with improvised, awful looking weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, who could they be? We want? Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>better than the shark, I guess. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure you had this problem too. But

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't see that there.

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<v Speaker 1>I could not.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't see the shark when Michael shot it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like, how are you shooting the shark without

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<v Speaker 2>shooting sawyer, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get together and shoot the shark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, according to lost Pedia, the shark had a

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<v Speaker 1>logo on it, but I couldn't see that either.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't either. But I did remember how last week

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<v Speaker 2>when we were talking about the hatch and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Desmond's whole like living space down there, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how did he get like brand name stuff like laundry detergent.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in this one you see his pantry where

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<v Speaker 2>yeah it's all brand name, but it's one brand. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it's Dharma everything, which which I know is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole lost.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we all, we all can can uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>all are Kate in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in this scary situation. You got to escape, you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta go. But candy bar, Oh my gosh, I must

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<v Speaker 1>eat one immediately and also stuff them in my pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>And my my tiny pockets of my tiny jeans, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm gonna go crawl through an air vent. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she's gonna come out with those candy bars.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Yeah, it's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is yeah, but but still it's like you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go hurry, hurry, hurry. It's dangerous, dangerous. But

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<v Speaker 1>I completely understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I would have been there, like how many

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<v Speaker 2>how many more can I? I would have stuffed them

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<v Speaker 2>down my shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was saying. Oh my, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a very human moment right there. Yes, amidst all this weirdness.

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<v Speaker 2>Right all right? Not leaving here without that caper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'm sure, she's taking them to share with everybody

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<v Speaker 1>back at the right, right, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Why she needed to bring a bunch with her.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a trail of trail of candy bar

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<v Speaker 1>wrappers between camp. Shoot, they must have fallen out of

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<v Speaker 1>my pocket, yes, yeah, but uh, we get more of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened down there with lock very coolly engaging Desmond

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<v Speaker 1>and conversation right and uh, you know, didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the password right when snowman say to the

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<v Speaker 1>other snowman. So he was exposed as not being him.

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<v Speaker 1>But he got to chat the guy up, and he

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<v Speaker 1>got to input something into the computer. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>suppose must be put into that computer every certain number

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<v Speaker 1>of hours? The anything familiar?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it every one hundred and eight hours or one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and eight minutes?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's one hundred and eight something, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and eight out. No, it's more than once

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<v Speaker 1>a day, so it must be one hundred and eight minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why he needs those hypodermic needles because he

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<v Speaker 2>can't sleep more than one hundred and seven minutes at

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<v Speaker 2>a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that you would need something for that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think the hypodermic was for the quarantine situation because he

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<v Speaker 1>believes everybody outside of the hatchet I see. So he

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<v Speaker 1>seems like he's been misinformed in many important ways. Is

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<v Speaker 1>he going to be ticked off when he finds out

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<v Speaker 1>he's been sitting it? Ale? Everything outside is just fine,

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<v Speaker 1>except for the whispers and the visions and the others

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<v Speaker 1>and the child stealers and all that other.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, just us, except for.

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<v Speaker 1>Some very testy castaways. But besides that, maybe you want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay in your hole, buddy, I don't know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>peaceful there, yep. I'd send you down some female companionship maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>oh gosh, or male, who knows. But it's quite a little,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a little place he's got there, Yeah, he's got.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the rat would be on something. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the island is weird, so yeah, yeah, I'd like an

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<v Speaker 1>elevator to get down there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Well, if you're never going to leave, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter it.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess the artificial sunlight and the very odd to see

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<v Speaker 1>in this jungle space, such a such a odd little

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, module.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>As I predicted, Michael did blame Sawyer for setting off

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<v Speaker 1>It was because of the flair. Nobody would have had

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<v Speaker 1>calmly says that would be Jack. Of course, of course

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody knew that. Yes, you'd think that with whatever this

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<v Speaker 2>oh good, because I'm running low on my injectable meds.

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<v Speaker 1>They have enough for another decade?

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<v Speaker 1>sickness supposedly is, right, So yeah, Desmond's got somebody's got

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<v Speaker 2>There are many weird things on this island, but everyone

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<v Speaker 2>no one's got so much as his sniffles out there.

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<v Speaker 1>you and uh, Desmond not really responding, right. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to see where that goes. I can't quite remember how

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<v Speaker 1>they try to reconcile. How it is that they're all

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So hopefully next next next week we move forward

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<v Speaker 1>in all plots, please and no more screaming. Enough of

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think that when the others come over that

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<v Speaker 2>little ridge with all their weapons, that Wald or that

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<v Speaker 2>Michael and Sawyer and Jan aren't going to be screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael. Michael could scream to them give me my son,

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<v Speaker 1>you took my.

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<v Speaker 2>Son, right, But instead of just screaming, woad.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough to make Sawyer like risk his life to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a different raft so close by, Oh man, give

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then Sawyer of course responds by just

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<v Speaker 1>Right before he then did he dig a bullet out

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<v Speaker 1>of his own shoulder? Is that what happened there? Yes? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>do we have like a contest for most gruesome? I

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<v Speaker 1>still think lighting Charlie's eye on fire is more grooesome

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<v Speaker 1>than digging a bullet out of your own shoulder. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack needs to set up needs to call in like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice a nice clinic. We need a nice like

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<v Speaker 1>But he's a tough guy, as Sawyer. This is how

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<v Speaker 1>tough he is, well, bullet ain't gonna stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Never.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure the shark will stay away. It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>As we float around on these just like four sticks

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<v Speaker 2>of bamboo, no problem in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>But yay, they reached the beach again.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to be happy they got there?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there are there are others, and then there are others.

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<v Speaker 1>So we need to know which others these others are.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be friendly others and hostile others, just all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of other others. And hopefully next week we'll find

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<v Speaker 1>out more about that. Let's get out of the water.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's get out of the hatch. Let's move things along,

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<v Speaker 1>shall we. Okay, like we had a two episode opening episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Yeah, yeah, we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're all caught up. We're all caught up now forward,

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<v Speaker 1>So next week, see if this sounds like a forward

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<v Speaker 1>kind of episode. Next Tuesday, we will continue with season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode three of Loss, which is called Orientation, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a lock flashback episode. Okay, and we will see you

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<v Speaker 1>back here tomorrow for a special New Year's Day episode,

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