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Speaker 2: All right, I'm super excited this week. I have been

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working all week on Brothers in Arms.

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do your podcast and you call it Shirley.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 3: Welcome everybody back to the Surely You Can't Be Serious podcast.

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We are here live and in living color, covering dire

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Straits album Brothers in Arms.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you missed it, last week, we covered

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Heart's nineteen eighty five album. We are comparing these two.

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Do they have a lot in common?

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Speaker 3: Maybe? I think they don't. Really. They're both a really

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big and nineteen eighty nineteen eighty five. Yeah, they're both

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celebrating their fortieth anniversary. How about that. That's it.

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Speaker 2: Both hit number one in the fall of nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were inescapable if you were listening to

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top forty radio in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about this particular album, Yeah, this is

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at the birth of CDs. Yeah, the incredible time when

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people were moving away from vinyl for sure, moving away

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from tapes and actually buying CDs, and it actually produced

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a sort of large uptick and money going to record

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companies and bands.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately, Yeah, the record companies were probably more powerful at

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this stage of history than they had ever been before,

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and probably that they will ever be again because there

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was the downfall in the late nineties. Allah Napster and

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LimeWire and all that other stuff. But these albums are

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both they're both by bands who formed in the seventies.

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Art formed in mid seventies. Dire Straits formed in nineteen

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seventy seven. I mean they formed about a year apart really,

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and then had both had kind of lulls in between

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their debut albums, and then this nineteen eighty five album

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that they both had, so they get a little more

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in common than you might think.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so before we dive into the history, yeah, I've

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got just a few overview facts I want to give

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you on Brothers in Arms. Okay, so number one, this

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is the first album to sell one million.

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Speaker 3: CDs, cdsds in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty five, wow.

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Speaker 3: So like I didn't have a CD player I like

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in the household, like my brother bought my parents like

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a big gift of a CD player in nineteen eighty nine.

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I think service merchandise, by the way, if you remember that.

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Speaker 2: Old store service merchandise, I love service merchant.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Guys, if this is your first time

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here and you remember as a kid having a swatchwatch

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or a Cassio watch, then you're in the right spot.

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I gotta tell you. I was. I was at the

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pharmacy the other day and the girl is like checking

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my stuff, and she's got this little gold Cassio watch,

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and I was like, oh, whoa nice Cassio. And she's

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like thanks. All the older adults noticing, and I'm like, well,

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screw you there, taking my compliment back, ma'am. Right, But

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if you had a gold Cassio or a Cassio, maybe

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even a Calculator watch, you're in the right spot.

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Speaker 2: Or a calculator uh well, forget that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had something that in nineteen eighty five,

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you might be able to tap into the flux capacitor

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and tend yourself back to the future.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I had a mister calculator like a cartoon face that. Yeah. Okay,

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so this album first album, so one million CDs, right,

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I've been fourteen weeks at number one in nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 3: It's still not bad. I mean it's killing it, right.

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Speaker 2: Thirty million albums sold in nineteen eighty five. Do that

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is smashing it. And the company that owned the record label, Phillips,

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used this album as like a benchmark, saying you've got

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to get a CD player because technology and sounds like

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this will be soon coming out of your speakers.

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Speaker 3: It was essentially their demo CD for the CD player.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why it sold so many copies. Yeah,

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people wanted to hear this coming out of their new speaker.

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Speaker 3: And I think once we've listened to a few of

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the songs, we can discuss the other possibilities on why this,

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of all albums, was such a big seller for CDs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive into it, man, Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Do we want to dive into the first song or

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do you want to go history?

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Speaker 3: How do we want to do this? I would say,

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let's dive in the first song and I'll talk history

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Speaker 2: All right. First song on the album is a song

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called so Far Away.

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Speaker 3: M Tired of making out on the telephone. This song

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is fantastic, right, this is this is it's it's mellow,

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but it's got a groove. The sound you can hear

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the awesome sonic sound to it, and then the you know,

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it's I'm tired of having bone sex with you, honey,

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Speaker 2: To see you for real.

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Speaker 3: You're so far away from me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so far I just so far away.

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Speaker 2: So here's the interesting thing. I think. This album was

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released May seventeenth, nineteen eighty five. Okay, this was the

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first single released in the UK.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but the.

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Speaker 2: Third single released in the US. All Right, I don't

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really understand why they do that.

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Speaker 3: Well, so their history is really interesting and I'll get

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into more of that later. But there's it's this. They're

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really I mean, they are a grassroots band from I mean,

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from the get go, they're just as regular a bunch

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of guys as you could ask for. They're all just

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guys who are barely scraping by until they happen to

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make it, which I'll talk about in a minute. But

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then once they did make it, like they I mean,

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making it is not an instantaneous thing. It's a it's

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a build. And so the first place that they had

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that they sent their album was the Netherlands because it

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was apparently a good gauge of how the album would

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perform worldwide. It depending on how it performed in the

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Netherlands did well, there wasn't doing so well in Germany,

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but they did some work in Germany, and then they

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started to catch popularity and became even more popular in Germany,

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and they were they were starting to it more and

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more popular in different countries in Europe, and weren't even

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it's this kind of weird matter of how one country

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will have a different taste than another country. And you

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will hear over and over with these guys that everyone says,

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we thought you were an American band because their sound

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I heard John Illsley yeah say

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that they sent the album to the Netherlands hoping to

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sell five thousand copies. Yeah, and when word came back

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that they had already sold twenty five thousand copies, yeah,

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they were like, we might be onto something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be time to start touring, right yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, So this song in particular reached number nineteen in

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the States in April of eighty six. Yeah, I got

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your top five that week. Oh yeah, okay, and this

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is a Shirley top five. This is a strong top five.

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Speaker 3: It's nineteen eighty five. Of course it's a Shirley top

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Speaker 2: So number five is why Can't This Be Love? By

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Van Halen, the first single with Sammy hay Right. Number

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Speaker 3: The Beautiful Bengalsana.

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Speaker 2: Has number three West End Girls by the pet Shop.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't I couldn't get enough of that banger, right yeah.

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Speaker 2: Number two Addicted to Love by Robert Palmer YEP and

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number one Kiss by Prince Pretty solid right there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, definitely great list.

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Speaker 2: This album was recorded at George Martin's AI R Studios

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in Montserrat. Yeah, and I want to talk more about

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that later. Yeah, but I think already you can feel

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the influence of the island on this song.

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Speaker 3: It does have. I mean this song especially has a

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very beach relaxed kind of feel to it. For sure.

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It's way to it. It's a groove you can you

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can almost see the palm trees waving in the breeze.

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Speaker 2: No doubt. You know, I read that they had these

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songs all written and rehearsed before they got to the island. Yeah,

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but I still believe that the island impacted the sound.

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Speaker 3: Of this this album, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, lovely So I love it. It's one of the

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Speaker 3: Yeah song, huge song, great, great one out of the gate.

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it's it's a solid appetizer.

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Speaker 2: But oh my gosh, should we get to the to

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can leave everything else behind just I

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I know what you're gonna do, like you're gonna start

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the You're gonna start the music right about here as

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I'm talking. Because it's it's a nice Yes, it's just

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a nice it's a nice bill. That's the understatement of

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the year. This is arguably one of the best builds

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in all of music history, and we didn't get it

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hot half of the time. Whenever we would hear the song,

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they would start after the build, right, And it's so good,

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it's so powerful, it's so perfectly timed. And to have

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sting just happen to be next door and hey, would

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you like to come and sing a little bit on

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this song? Build? Build, Build, And then you come crashing in.

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Speaker 2: With one of the great guitar intros of all time.

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic. And I mean, even if you skip that

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whole intro, that that boom of a guitar coming in

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with Mark Knopfler's incredible fingerpicking style, the unique combination of

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chords that he's got going on, it's just it is remarkable.

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It is overwhelming. I cannot say enough good about this,

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this intro and this song.

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Speaker 2: So the genesis of the song is super interesting. But

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almost as interesting is what happened while they're recording this song. Okay,

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so the genesis if you don't know this, and you probably,

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this right. Yes, he even reached out to Billy Gibbons. Okay,

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top sound. And Billy Gibbons later said, you know, he

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did a really good job it. Scenes how I didn't

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tell him a gd thing. But they had this happy

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accident when they were recording the song. Well, let me

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back up. The genesis of the song is Mark Knopfler

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was living in New York City and he was at

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a department store like I don't know where it was exactly,

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like Sears or something.

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album because they were at the power station recording it.

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Speaker 2: He's in there and he's buying a refrigerator okay, microwave oven.

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this wall of TV's that's playing MTV and there's a guy,

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like a delivery guy who comes up and he stands

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next to him. He's like, that ain't working. What is

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that Hawaiian noises?

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Speaker 3: So that little queenie, Yeah right, So there's there's obviously

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some language that has has not lasted things through the

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through the PC of time. Yeah, that's but you got

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a part here. This is not These are not the

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words that he would use. I mean, I know these

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having studied these guys, they hung out with that type

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of folk all the time and would never use it

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on their own. But he's he's playing the part of

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this radio you know, refrigerator installer. Right. But the I

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think the most fascinating thing that we covered this a

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long time ago, the band that was that they were

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watching on all those TVs Smartley Kurz, I know.

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Speaker 2: Right, how about that he's looking at them saying, that

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guy's a millionaire. Come on, what is this?

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Speaker 3: I mean probably they were watching the Home Sweet Home

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video that you referenced in our top five of eighty five.

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I mean wow, I mean because because you know, you

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got the almost the top almost coming off. Look at

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her putting it in the camera. Man, the guys ain't dumb, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's right. Chicks for free.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he.

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Speaker 2: Was so impacted by this conversation he had with this

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delivery guy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, umps, Look at that Mama gonna limit camera man?

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What's that Hawaiian noises on the boosh away?

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Speaker 2: That he went around looking for a pin? In a

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piece of paper he's writing down and I wrote down

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things that he got from this guy. Okay, yeah, so

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he actually got that ain't working, he got sticking in

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the camera. Yeah, and look at that f f yeah.

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Oh and also what are those Hawaiian noises? Which I

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think is a hilarious line.

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Speaker 3: Right right, because there's not a Motley Cruise song that

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I can think of that has anything like a Hawaiian

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noise at all.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that ain't working. Maybe you get a

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blister on your little.

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Speaker 3: Finger, maybe you get a blister on your thumb.

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Speaker 2: So that's an interesting story to me. But really the

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fascinating part of this song is they're in Montserrat, which

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is British West Indies. It's an island basically of isolation.

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and they're working on this song and one of the

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ways that they get this incredible sound with the guitar

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and he's trying to mimic Zzy Top. They leave the studio,

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they come in one day and the microphones are all

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messed up. Do you hear the story? No, So they

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come in. One mic is pointing at the floor and

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one one's like moved out over here and there and

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kind of scattered, but it's making an incredible sound. And

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so they're like, don't touch anything. Wow, it's a they

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called the happy accident. It so literally they're like, somebody

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moved all this stuff around, don't touch it.

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Speaker 3: Little microphone fairies came out of the night and right.

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Speaker 2: Cray And so he's writing this song from the perspective

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of this guy watching MTV talking about how ridiculous MTV is, right,

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and they're playing too MTV and Mark Knopfler makes the comments,

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I'm sure wish Sting was here, Yeah, he'd be great

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to sing this party. And they're like, what are you

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talking about? Sting is here. Sting's windsurfing right now. They're

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like what. And so Sting was in Montserrat because he

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loved the island and had recorded Ghost in the Machine

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and Synchronicity and was just there hanging out on holiday.

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Speaker 3: They had just finished with Synchronicity just a couple of years,

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I mean maybe a year too before this album was

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being recorded.

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Speaker 2: He's windsurfing, just hanging out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, we're not.

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Speaker 2: So he came in and they invited him to come

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up to dinner. They played Money for Nothing for him

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and said, hey, what do you think He's like. The

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comment was you bustard, You've done it right, And Mark

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Knopfler's like, well, if you love it so much, why

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don't you sing on it?

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Speaker 3: Well, if you love it so much.

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Speaker 6: When she's singing right, so Sting is like, fine, I

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will uh huh right, and he sings the I Want

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my MTV line to the tune of Don't Stand so

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Close to Me.

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Speaker 3: Now, listening audience, you must know, don't Stand so Close

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to Me is my favorite Police song. It is my

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favorite Police song. And this song is my favorite dire

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straight song. Sultan's have Swing a near second, but this

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one is top of the list. And not until you

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told this to me about a week ago that I go,

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don't stand so don't stand so, don't stand so close

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to me. I want my I want my I want

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my MTV. I was just like, wah, what yes, So

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there's so no problem. Sting said, you guys can use.

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Speaker 2: It right, right, except the record company is like, no, no, no, no, no, no no,

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that belongs to us. They've got to pay us a

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percentage of their song. What a crock and Sting was

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very embarrassed by that. He's like, of course, saying, I

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mean just asked me to sing a line.

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Speaker 3: I sang a line, right, And it's not like it's

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a super complicated melody right right, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Rolling Stone goted this the ninety fourth greatest guitar song

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of all time, and a problem with that. Yeah, okay,

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so let's talk about the music video. Okay, yes, okay.

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Mark Knopfler hates music videos, but MTV is like, listen, dude,

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this song plays to us. We will love it. We

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want to play the heck out of it, but we

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have to have a great music video to make this work. Yeah,

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So they send some executives to go meet with him,

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and he's not receptive to it at all. They later

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go back a second time, but this time his girlfriend

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is with him and they're like, we have to have

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a creative video to go along with this awesome song,

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and he's still like basically arms crossed, looking at his shoes,

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says nothing. So they leave and his girlfriend, who happened

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to be there the second time, was like, you know,

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they're right, They're absolutely right. You have to make a

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video worthy of this song. He's like, all right, fine,

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they hire Steve Baron, mister music video, right, and they

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come up with this idea of like like computer coloring,

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you know, making those wild colors while they're playing this incredible.

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Speaker 3: Song, right, kind of a takeoff on the take on

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Me style.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of rotoscoping. Yeah right, we're going to talk

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about that here in just a second. Yeah, but this

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song is the first song aired on MTVu August first,

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nineteen eighty seven. Okay, I mean that's as monumental as

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video Killed the Radio Star.

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Speaker 3: You know in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Sure, So this video goes on to win MTV's Music

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Video of the Year for nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 3: And beats out Take on Me by Aha. Oh really yes,

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really yeah. The other ones you had cry by Goodley

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and Cream, which we've talked about multiple times. You have

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Addicted but to Love by Robert Palmer, which you mentioned

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as the what was the number two song Number.

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Speaker 2: Two songs this week? Yep, And they got all the

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babes in the background.

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Speaker 3: And then Rode nowhere by the Talking Heads, which the

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Talking Heads was the first group that Dire Straits toured

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with when they very first started doing a European tour.

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Speaker 2: That's cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually made good friends with them. Cannot say the

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name for Sticks Sticks. When they were touring with Sticks,

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it went.

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Speaker 2: Very badly interesting. Okay, yeah, okay, I hate to be

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done with this one.

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Speaker 3: It's so freaking good.

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Speaker 2: That's the way you do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you play the guitar on MTV.

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Speaker 2: Okad. So, the next song on the album is a

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song that was really big early nineteen eighty six, and

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I loved it in particular because the music video was

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nothing but NFL football bloopers. Third song on the album

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is a song called Walk of Life. Okay, I've got

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some stuff for you on this song, Okay, all right yeah.

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So third single release released October fourteenth, nineteen eighty five,

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right around the same time the Super Bowl Shuffle came out. Yeah,

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go back and check out our Super Bowl chuff episode.

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Speaker 3: Very popular.

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Speaker 2: Episode reached number two in the UK, reached number seven

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in the US Top ten hit here the top six

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from so number seven is Walk of Life. Number six

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is my hometown. Number five as I'm Your Man by

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George Michael. Number four is talk to Me by Stevie Nicks.

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Number three is Burning Heart by Survivor from.

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Speaker 3: The the Vital.

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Speaker 2: Rocky four Rocky four soundtrack. Number two is Say You

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Say Me by h Liona Richie, and then number one

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That's what Friends Are For with Dion Worwick, Stevie Wonder,

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Gladys Knight and the Pips and Elton John, which I've

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got a funny Monster Rat story to tell you about

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Elton John. I'm gonna throw it in real quick, let's

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do it. So they recorded in monts Rat. So just

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some other artists that recorded in Monster Rat, Jimmy Buffett,

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Jerry Rafferty, right.

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Speaker 3: Check go check out our top five of nineteen at

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seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: Seventy eight, that's right, Yeah, the police recorded, I mean

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goes to the machine and synchronousity. Elton John recorded there

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which I want to tell you here in a second

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Black Sabbath Rush Keith Richards and the last album recorded

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there was Steel Wheels by the Rolling Stones. But the

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interesting thing so monserrat not much to do basically windsurfing

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or swimming at the pool, which they had a.

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Speaker 3: Pool there or recording a top two hundred album.

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Speaker 2: Or recording a top two hundred album, or you know,

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staying up late with the locals and drinking. Okay, well,

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Elton John and his crew stayed up way late one

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night drinking. Everybody called in sick because they were all hungover,

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like you know, still recovering from the night before. And

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Elton John is standing there and he's mad that his

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whole crew is not there, and he's like, well, you

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know what's going on here? We're here to do some work.

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Where is everybody? Well, you know, Jimmy's hungover and this

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guy's puking in the toilet whatever, And like one guitarist

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is like, hey, I'm still standing And guess what that

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turns into a kit song?

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Speaker 3: Wow, don't get still nice?

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Speaker 2: Back to Walk of Life. Yes, this song mentions Johnny

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down in the tunnels trying to make it pay, which

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is referencing busking on the subway right. It also references

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old songs like I Got a Woman by Ray Charles

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b Bapa Lua, which is a song by gene Vincent

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from nineteen fifty six. I Know what I'd Say by

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Ray Charles and Jerry Lee Lewis my Sweet by Robert

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Knighthawk and Mac the Knife by Bobby Darren. I say,

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I kind of love it when they kind of do

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this little throwback thing. You know, def Leppard did that

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with Rocket exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's what I was thinking of.

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Speaker 2: What are you thinking of this song?

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Speaker 3: Love it? I mean they've toe taber right. They have

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come out of the gate with three absolute smashes, no

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question about it. Fantastic first three songs, and songs that

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were all over the radio and all over MTV for

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nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and one of my favorite music videos just because

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of the NFL bloopers. Right next song on the album's

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called Your Latest Trick.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I feel like we just took a hard left. Yeah.

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I felt like we were going in a very specific

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direction and all of a sudden, we are no longer

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going south, we are going east. What happened?

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Speaker 2: I don't really know. This song sounds like a Moonlighting

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episode where Maddie is mad at David.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, it sounds it's like the it's like

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in Mister Mom whenever he's depressed about a state of life.

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That's what it sounds like to me.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yes, chef's gone to bed.

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Speaker 3: So these guys are flexing their musical muscle here. All right.

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So we've just we've known since nineteen seventy eight that

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they can crank out some killer rock hits, and they

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decide on song number four to go, Hey, guess guess

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what else we can do?

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Speaker 2: They throw on the jazz and it hit you like

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a cold bucket of water. Yeah, this one doesn't do

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it for me at all, right, but there is a

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certain contingency of folks out there that love this kind

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of music, right.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I mean that and a ton of them were

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buying CDs, yeah in nineteen eighty five, probably right, Sure,

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I mean, if any group of folks really wanted to

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hear each instrument and every instrument as clearly and beautifully

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as possible, it's the folks listening to jazz. Right.

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Speaker 2: So here's what I will say about this particular song. Yeah,

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so we've already heard pop, we've heard rock. This is

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now jazz. I think we'll hear some hints of reggae

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here in a second, We'll hear country here in a minute.

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There's nine songs on this album, and that's five genres

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of music. Yeah, these guys are just offering something to everybody. Yeah,

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this is not my particular thing. Yeah, but hey, what

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do I know.

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Speaker 3: In the in the right time, you know, playing a

470
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,839
game of pool late at night maybe, or you know,

471
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,000
having a relaxing drink by the pool side something like that.

472
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,880
This is very kind of chill out kind of music.

473
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,839
Speaker 2: This was the fifth single released April twenty fifth, nineteen

474
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,319
eighty six. Wasn't released in the US, which is why

475
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,440
we don't know it. Yeah, but it was released in

476
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,519
the UK as the fifth single.

477
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: So John Illsley, yes, the basis for the for the

478
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,400
band right right, So long before they were ever famous,

479
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,319
he graduated from college, he didn't have much money and

480
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,839
he and his girlfriend decided to start a record shop. Okay,

481
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,960
And so he didn't know, I mean he knew, he

482
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,559
knew a limited amount of music, right like he had.

483
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,759
He had grown up and was blown out of the

484
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240
water by the new music that was coming out of

485
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:31,240
Radio Luxembourg and as many Europeans were of, like, wow,

486
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,000
you know this new rock music is our music, right,

487
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:35,039
do you remember.

488
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: The last time we talked about Radio Luxembourg.

489
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: I remember that we talked about it, but was it

490
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,440
was it Trevor Horn.

491
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Trevor Horren. Okay, it was our Patreon

492
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240
episode we did on Video Killed the Radio Star.

493
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. I think that Radio Luxembourg

494
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,039
was a huge moving factor for all of those guys

495
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,440
born in the late forties and early fifties listening to

496
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,440
music at the time. As a matter of fact, John

497
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,960
used to he said that his brother actually the radio,

498
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:09,119
would buy the records or he haven't even got a

499
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,960
kit radio so that they could tune into Radio Luxembourg.

500
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,440
And his job was to stand guard at the door

501
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,000
so that if their parents were coming by, he was like,

502
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,240
and they would throw the pillow over their head and

503
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:24,000
turn the radio off. And then his brother was cool

504
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:25,720
enough to go, Okay, you go listen to it for

505
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,160
a little bit. I'll keep an eye on the door.

506
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,480
And so that's really how he learned to fall in

507
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,680
love with music. I love it. So he graduates from school,

508
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,319
decides to start this record business, but he doesn't he

509
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,480
knows his music taste has got limitations, and so he's like,

510
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
how do I know what records to buy? So there

511
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,240
was a guy named Charlie Gillett that was he did

512
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,599
Radio London, and he was the guy that was always

513
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,000
playing new music, like, Hey, every Sunday, this is the

514
00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,119
new new music. So he was just like, I wonder

515
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:58,720
if I wrote him a letter. I just wrote him

516
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,039
a letter, if he might give me some advice on

517
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,960
what records I should get for the record shop. Nice,

518
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:05,920
And so that's what he did, wrote him a letter

519
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,079
at Radio London, and Charlie wrote back to this, I mean,

520
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,440
young twenties kid starting a record shop, and gave him

521
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,440
some ideas, just like, hey, you know, here's do this,

522
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:19,000
do that. The record shop only lasted a few months, okay,

523
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,920
But what was interesting was that he had made that connection.

524
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,480
He realized, Hey, I just I wrote a letter to

525
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:28,279
this world famous disc jockey and he wrote back to me.

526
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:32,200
And so he's poorer than dirt. He ends up catching

527
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,599
a roommate that's a friend of a friend who's just

528
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,119
started as a social worker. His name is Dave Knopfler.

529
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: Davefler, Yeah, okay.

530
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:43,279
Speaker 3: And so one day he comes home late at night

531
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,720
to his roomy passed out asleep in his bed and

532
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,400
some guy passed out next to a guitar on the

533
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,079
floor in the living room. And that was Mark Knoeffler,

534
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:58,559
and so these I mean legitimately working stiff guys said hey,

535
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:00,640
let's let's put the band together there, let's see what

536
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,599
we can do. They picked up a guy named Pick

537
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:07,359
for drums. So it was Dave and Mark, John and Pick.

538
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,799
And the first show that they did it was nineteen

539
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
seventy seven. It was in the lawn at their apartment flat.

540
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,480
That was their first show. There is now a plaque

541
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,319
there that said Dire Strait's first gig played here.

542
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: That is cool. I love it.

543
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really great. So the Pick is a guy

544
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,319
named David Withers that was a friend of Mark's, and

545
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,200
they play their first show, but they don't have a

546
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,039
band name. And so there's a guy named Simon cow

547
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:40,680
It was Simon Cowell, not Cowl Okay, not the British

548
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,039
idol American idol guy. No Simon cow it was. It

549
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,960
was Pick's roommate and he was like, you guys never

550
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,720
have any money, You're always in dire Straits. And so

551
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,440
they thought that that sounds like a good name for

552
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,599
the band, and they all just felt like old friends

553
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,160
from the beginning. And they played their first show at

554
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,480
the Farer House lawn and he said, we're all just misfits,

555
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:08,200
but we were with misfits doing our own thing at

556
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,119
the time. Wow, I love it. I had to use

557
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,319
another band's PA sounds familiar.

558
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,839
Speaker 2: That's right, all right, So let's go on to the

559
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:16,559
next song on the album.

560
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds good.

561
00:31:17,319 --> 00:31:40,759
Speaker 2: Next song on the album is called why Worry?

562
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,799
Speaker 3: So this is a beautiful little guitar piece. It's almost

563
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,599
like a lullaby, has a you know, I think Jeff

564
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,519
Buckley probably borrowed this sound whenever he did Hallelujah. Has

565
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:54,519
a very similar style to the tone of the guitar

566
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,200
on this and the fingerpicking style that they both do.

567
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:03,960
It's lovely easily fall asleep in a hammock on Montserrat.

568
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Right, it's slow, it's beautiful, it's very long.

569
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,039
It's over eight and a half minutes, and this is

570
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,400
one of those songs I believe had to be influenced

571
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,759
by Montsrat.

572
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:14,279
Speaker 3: Right.

573
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,079
Speaker 2: So, here's the interesting thing. I told you that Steel

574
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,920
Wheels by the Rolling Stones was the last album made

575
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,880
at this studio.

576
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: That's a long time ago.

577
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty nine was when that was released. Yeah, okay,

578
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,720
so here's the deal. Hurricane Hugo hit direct hit on

579
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,480
montster Rat in nineteen eighty nine. Okay, okay, George Martin

580
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,720
was on TV. I was watching an interview with him.

581
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,559
He said, there's twelve thousand people on the island. Eleven

582
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,160
thousand people lost their homes. It was a absolute punch

583
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,640
in the face, devastation, nearly irre unrecoverable for anybody on

584
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,079
the island.

585
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,319
Speaker 3: So what happened with the studio?

586
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: So the studio was hit hard. George Martin couldn't get

587
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,599
to the island for six weeks after the hurricane, and

588
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,319
when he got there, he was going through looking at

589
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:02,039
the damage. He said, when he opened the piano, he said,

590
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:07,000
the ivories were covered with like mold. He said that

591
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,880
that was the moment he said, We're done here. Can't

592
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,599
we cannot recover from this. Oh my god, there's no

593
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,640
island to go back to.

594
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:18,319
Speaker 3: So that recording studio had a knave board, which if

595
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,680
you've if you've seen the movie Sound City, or you're

596
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,240
familiar with the recording studio Sound City, the knave board

597
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:30,079
was the penultimate board to have if you're recording an album,

598
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,640
which is why there were so many great albums in

599
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,359
Montserrat and in Sound City. Did they's just still there

600
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,640
rotting away thirty five years.

601
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,279
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer that question, but I'd be

602
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,039
willing to go with you to check it out if

603
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:44,759
you wanted.

604
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: To go, Buddy fly down there.

605
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,079
Speaker 2: You know you mentioned that need board, yeah, right, which

606
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,480
was the main mixing instrument for all these wonderful albums.

607
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

608
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,559
Speaker 2: If you go watch the video for every little Thing

609
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,799
she does its magic, Yeah, please, you will see Andy

610
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:07,039
Summers dancing barefooted on this board, like without care. I'm like, dude,

611
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:08,840
that's the soundboard. What are you doing?

612
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: Wow? I get mad at my kids for throwing their phones. Wow. Achievement. Yeah.

613
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. Hurricane Hugo, like I said, destroyed

614
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,119
home eleven thousand people's homes out of twelve thousand. Right,

615
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,599
and that was not the worst thing that happened to

616
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,599
that island.

617
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: Okay, what happened?

618
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: Well? Montserrat is there because it's a volcanic island. Oh

619
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000
and in nineteen ninety five it blew its top and

620
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:46,199
the town of Plymouth where all it was recorded. I mean,

621
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,199
it's just it's buried in ash now like that. The

622
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:53,000
town is no longer there basically. Huh So, the hurricane

623
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,639
Hugo was the the you know, the right hook, and

624
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,280
then the volcano blowing up was the uppercut.

625
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah for the count yep So, has there been any

626
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,199
development there since then?

627
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: There has been. Yeah, I mean there's been some uh

628
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,760
huh so, but Plymouth as a city, it's not not

629
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,800
the thriving metropolis that it once was.

630
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:18,639
Speaker 3: Twelve thousand people metropolis. But so, but the recording studio

631
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,000
is just given up to the weeds.

632
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: That it is being taken back by the jungle.

633
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 7: Wow.

634
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 2: Can you imagine?

635
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 3: No, really, I really do want to go down there

636
00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,880
and look. Go. Wow.

637
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: We need some more Patreon members.

638
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,079
Speaker 3: By the way, if you would like to support our

639
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:41,199
trip to montster Rot, you can go to patreon dot

640
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,320
com Shirly Podcast and for as little as five bucks

641
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,840
a month, you get access to all our one Hit

642
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,480
Wonder episodes and some other fan favorites.

643
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Join us on Patreon.

644
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah absolutely, and uh if if if we get enough

645
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,320
people to send us down to Montserrat, we will.

646
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: We'll go.

647
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 3: One of our patreons will go with us. We'll have

648
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,760
a lottery system and let one of the patreons go there.

649
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,679
You go yeah, and.

650
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,559
Speaker 2: We'll go check out what looks like at the studio.

651
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, all right.

652
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: D hit stop on your tape deck, kick it out,

653
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,239
flip it over for side to and we start off

654
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:32,519
with a song called right Across the River.

655
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,159
Speaker 3: So now I feel like we're going through the jungle

656
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:49,360
with Michael Douglas and Romancing the stone, right. Yeah.

657
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,639
Speaker 2: I think this is another sort of reggae, kind of

658
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,480
island feel to it. Yeah, I'm gonna say something, tell

659
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,400
me if I'm crazy. I think this song was influenced

660
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,880
by the song Wrapped Around Your Finger by the Police.

661
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,079
Speaker 3: I can hear in that drum beat now that you

662
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:05,679
say that it's got a it's got a similar rhythm

663
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,320
to it. Yep. I can see that.

664
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: Kay also recorded on Monsrat right right, yep.

665
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: So these guys, as I said, working stuffs, really just working,

666
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,639
you know, for a living. But they had this they

667
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,159
had this pub that they would go to called the

668
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,440
Oxford Arms that was there in Deptford, England, where they

669
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,239
were all from, right, I mean they grew up in

670
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,800
different places. Knopfler was and his brother of course were.

671
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:43,360
Jordie actually had a guy who had played with the

672
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,519
band Jordie that had Brian Johnson in it. Come play

673
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:51,840
keyboards with them, okay, but you know they're they're scraping by.

674
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,199
They of course are going to see other bands play.

675
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,280
And one rainy night, Mark Knopfler walks into a basely

676
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,880
deserted pub. You know, there's and but there's a band playing,

677
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,639
and you've got a couple of kids over in the

678
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,039
corner who could care less about the band. They're into

679
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,000
rock and roll, not some trumpet playing band. And these

680
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:15,880
guys on stage are treating it like it's this big performance,

681
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,239
even though there's only three people in the whole pub.

682
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,800
And then at the end of the show, the lead

683
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,480
singer says, thank you good night. We are the Sultans

684
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:34,039
of Swing, and that's where he gets the idea for

685
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:38,760
this song. So that song, Sultan's of Swing, is one

686
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
of five songs that they have down pat like they're

687
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,480
just like, we've got these songs down, we need to

688
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:49,960
have a demo. They're playing the clubs hoping to be found.

689
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,960
But you know, the way John Illsley put it was,

690
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,519
you could be found that way. But it's like being

691
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,440
a beautiful woman in hope that some age and find

692
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,079
you walking along in the supermarket. It's not impossible. It's

693
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,840
just not very likely. And what they realize is that

694
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,079
they needed to have a demo. So after playing gig

695
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,280
after gig after gig and not really getting anywhere, there's

696
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,159
some unrest in the band. It's like, man, guys, you

697
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,639
know we're getting into be our late twenties now, maybe

698
00:39:18,679 --> 00:39:21,679
it's time to be done. And John Ilsley gets a

699
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,760
letter from his dad and he's reading a letter and

700
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,280
it says, oh, by the way, your grand passed away.

701
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:30,559
She left all the grandkids five hundred pounds.

702
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: WHOA just in time, thanks Graham.

703
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: And so he's thinking, Okay, with five hundred I can

704
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,960
pay my rent for this many months, and I'll have

705
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,639
food for this many months and I'll be able to

706
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,320
I'll be set for quite a while. Or we can

707
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,920
make our demo. And he knew what the answer was

708
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,599
to that question right off the bat. And he goes

709
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,880
to the other guys and he's like, guys, I want

710
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,719
to do the demo. And they were they're elated, you know,

711
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,280
They're like, we will pay you back. If we ever

712
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,719
make any money as a band, we will pay you back.

713
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,360
And as it turned out, after they sold their first album.

714
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:09,960
He got paid back that five hundred bucks. I love it.

715
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:14,679
Speaker 2: Take your shot, and it pays off in spades. Yeah,

716
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,440
I mean huge dividends on that investment.

717
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. So they do their demo. It includes Sultan's

718
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,280
of Swing on it. It's actually a great version of

719
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,719
the song, arguably better than the one that came out

720
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,360
on the album that they ultimately re recorded later. It's

721
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,920
a tiny recording studio. It's basically a closet for the

722
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,519
sound booth. The guy who is helping them isn't even

723
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:41,639
a producer, he's just a sound engineer. And his name

724
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,280
is Chaz Harrington. All right, okay, and they make friends

725
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,880
with ch Has right off the bat, just get along

726
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,920
with him great. But he records. I mean, it's basically

727
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,440
like five mics, you know, three of them go on

728
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,599
the drum set, one of them goes for you know,

729
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,199
backing vocals, and then they double Mark's vocal. Right, But

730
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,679
they do this incredible version of Sultan's Swing and then

731
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,800
four other songs. And so now they have the demo

732
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,280
and they're like, okay, so do we send this to

733
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,559
record companies? And they start thinking about it, and these

734
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:14,519
guys have the wisdom of being over twenty five, right,

735
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,599
their brain is now fully developed, and so they're like, listen,

736
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:23,280
record companies get dozens of demo tapes a day. Day. Yeah,

737
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Like it's just like, are we really gonna are we

738
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:29,480
gonna bet our five hundred quid on that? You know?

739
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:31,800
And so they're thinking about it and thinking about it,

740
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,199
and they're listening to the radio, and the guy on

741
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,440
the radio it's Sunday is Charlie Gellette, and Mark knows

742
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,159
the story of John writing to him about his record shop,

743
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:43,159
and he's like, wyonn't you just write to Charlie Gellett

744
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,400
again and see if he'd be interested in listen to

745
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,079
our demo. It's your pal, you know, he's your buddy,

746
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:53,079
he's your pen pal. And so he's like, okay, I'll

747
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,199
give it a shot. And so he just he doesn't

748
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:58,239
even send the demo tape, right, He just sends him

749
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,800
a letter at the studio at at the radio station, right,

750
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:07,159
And Charlie responds and he's like, sure, guys, here's my address.

751
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,880
Come on over to the house. And so they show

752
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,559
up and Charlie Gillette is like gives them tea and

753
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,360
biscuits or cookies as we call them here in America.

754
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,440
I mean, can you imagine, Like just Casey Kasem says, sure, Jason,

755
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,079
come on over, would you like some tea and some marios?

756
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,480
This is incredible story, right, And so he's like, guys,

757
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,239
I'm excited to listen to this. I don't ever listen

758
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,800
to people's demos in front of them. It just kind

759
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,079
of saves embarrassment for both of us here. But I

760
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:42,320
will listen to this, and I'll be honest with you. You know,

761
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,360
whatever it is, whether I love it or hate it,

762
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,079
I'm gonna be honest with you about what. If I

763
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:47,639
think it just needs something, I'll tell you what I

764
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:51,119
think it needs, right, Okay, good? And they're like okay, well,

765
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,400
thank you, and then they leave and they're thinking maybe

766
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,400
we'll get a phone call or a letter a little

767
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,239
bit later on from Charlie. And so that Sunday, these

768
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,360
working stiffs had a buddy who is moving furniture, and

769
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480
he said, hey, i'll give you I'll give you ten

770
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:05,480
quid if you help me move today. So they spent

771
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,920
the entire Sunday moving furniture in and out of a

772
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,840
moving van and moving it to a different place. And

773
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,840
so they go to their pub, the Oxford Arms that

774
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,119
night with their ten quid so that they can drink

775
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,639
it away. And as they walk in, they get this

776
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
kind of hey, hey from the guys there. I mean

777
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,199
it's all their friends that they know, but they're like,

778
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:27,960
it's a little warmer than usual, you know. They belly

779
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,079
up to the bar, they order their pint, and this

780
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,679
as soon as they sit down, this guy slapping them

781
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,000
on the back and he's like congratulation, guys, amazing stuff amazing.

782
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:41,400
And they're like, what are you talking about? And they're like,

783
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:44,800
Charlie Gillette, he played your song on the radio this morning.

784
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,679
And they're like what. They had no idea that he

785
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,360
had played the song and that was not even the

786
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,159
best part. He goes, no, he didn't just play it.

787
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,880
He said this is the best new music he has

788
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,800
heard in years, and he is going to play it

789
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:05,599
every single Sunday until you guys are signed. WHOA like

790
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:10,960
W like you're expecting this and you get that. I mean,

791
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,800
it's just incredible.

792
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,159
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

793
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 3: And so when he did play it, when Charlie played

794
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,119
it that morning, the A and R guys listened to

795
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,000
him because he's the guy who knows what's going to

796
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
be popular. He's the guy that can pick the good music.

797
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,079
And he said one of them was in a shower,

798
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,199
like they were calling him as soon as the song

799
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,119
was done. Like the board lit up as soon as

800
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,440
the song was over, and it was mostly A and

801
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:36,440
R guys. One was in the shower got out of

802
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,199
the shower so he could be sure and hear the song.

803
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:39,679
And when he heard it, he was like, I get

804
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,800
a call. The other guy was driving down the road

805
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,280
listening on the radio. He pulled over to find a

806
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,000
phone booth, found a phone booth, called him from a

807
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:51,199
phone booth. Wow and so literally, with one play on

808
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:55,440
one radio station on one Sunday morning, these guys had

809
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,280
the A and R guys from every record company calling

810
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,119
them up try to get them signed.

811
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: Oh, that's an incredible story.

812
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: Now, one of those record companies was Virgin Records. I'll

813
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,639
tell you that story in a minute.

814
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go on to the next song.

815
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,079
Speaker 8: Yeah.

816
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,199
Speaker 2: The next song is called the Man's Too Strong.

817
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,599
Speaker 7: I'm just an age and drummer boy, and then the

818
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,360
wars I used to play and I've called you too

819
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,960
many adult decisions MM hmmm. Now they's see I'm a

820
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:45,599
criminal and I'm fade in a way.

821
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: What does that sound like to you? Sounds like a

822
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:50,639
impersonation of Bob Dylan.

823
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: Well when they hit when they after they played the Roxy,

824
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:58,119
they go up to the you know, the executive bar area,

825
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,119
right and they're like, hey, there's Rod Stewart leaning against

826
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,920
the bar, and hey there's Linda Ronstadt and oh she's

827
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000
got her boyfriend, the governor of California and Jerry Brown

828
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,199
and is that Bob Dylan? And by that evening Bob

829
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,280
Dylan and Mark Knopfler were playing together. And by that

830
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,679
morning Dylan had said, would you come over, I'm doing

831
00:46:21,679 --> 00:46:23,639
this album. He was in his big Christian phase at

832
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,400
that point. I'm doing this new album. I'd love for

833
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480
you guys to work with me. And so Mark went

834
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:28,760
over and played with Bob Dylan.

835
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,159
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Okay, before you tell

836
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,960
us the rest of the story, huh, Yeah, I've got

837
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,239
a little nugget I've got to throw at you.

838
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay.

839
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,079
Speaker 2: So at a charity event in two thousand and seven, Okay,

840
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:49,039
there was a Fender Stratocaster that was signed by Mark Knopfler,

841
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,840
Eric Clapton, Brian May and Jimmy Page.

842
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

843
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Okay, And it was going to auction and they expected

844
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
to get about twenty thousand pounds for this guitar. Keep

845
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,079
in mind some of the best guitars of all time. Yeah,

846
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,679
like it's it's the best England has to offer ever

847
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:14,000
given us. Yeah right, Yeah, it got lost in the mail.

848
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:18,320
The guitar was lost in the mail.

849
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,599
Speaker 3: That means stolen.

850
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: Oh somebody out there has this guitar hanging on their

851
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:33,440
wall but can't really say anything anybody.

852
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

853
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: So the company that was in charge of shipping this guitar,

854
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:41,800
Parsal Force, agreed to pay fifteen pounds to that charity

855
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,199
in lieu of that guitar. How about that.

856
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would have gotten a lot more

857
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,159
money than that, And I think that's probably exactly what happened.

858
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 2: If you own this guitar, we want to hear from you.

859
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will not. Your name will be kept in confidence.

860
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,239
We just want to see a picture. So they've got

861
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,880
A and R guys calling them off the hook right now.

862
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: Of course.

863
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,159
Speaker 3: Charlie Charlie Gillette has his own record label and they

864
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:13,920
hanging out with him a little bit after this too,

865
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,639
you know, and they're at a party with him and

866
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,280
he's like, you know, guys, I have a record label. Listen.

867
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,119
We love what you've done for us. You've changed our lives.

868
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,360
But it's kind of small. He's like, I understand, I understand.

869
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
I mean they're getting there, getting all kinds of offers.

870
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,599
As a matter of fact, they didn't have the voicemail.

871
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,840
They didn't have even answering machines back in the seventies,

872
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,000
so they had to write down the numbers of the

873
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,800
A and R guys that would call them so they

874
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,159
could call them back. And these guys, being twenty year

875
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,639
old guys living on the they wrote it on the wall.

876
00:48:47,039 --> 00:48:48,960
There's the phone on the wall. He wrote it on

877
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,480
the wall. They had so many numbers up there, they

878
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:55,400
lost the number of the weed dealer up there. That's funny.

879
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,639
So one of the guys who was courting them was

880
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:07,079
Richard Branson from a relatively new record label called Virgin Records. Right, No,

881
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,519
I called you this morning. I'm like, do you know

882
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,159
the story? Like, yes, I do, Like awesome you telling well.

883
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,280
So they're getting they're getting guys who are like, hey,

884
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,239
we will give you fifteen hundred pounds, and they're like,

885
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,440
are you kidding right now? You know that we've got

886
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,360
like eight hundred people calling us, like, let's be realistic.

887
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,599
They again had that benefit of age, right, And the

888
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,559
other benefit of age is they were thinking with the

889
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:35,360
right head when they're talking to people. Because Richard Branson

890
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,639
played his cards wrong in this scenario, like they the

891
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:41,079
way Branson tells it, they were going to sign with

892
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:44,800
him the next day, but he decides the night before

893
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,599
to have them come meet him at a Greek restaurant.

894
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,360
When they come into the Greek restaurant, he is surrounded

895
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:58,000
by women scantily clad and looking good, ready to rock.

896
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,519
As they sat down, he said, there was a lot

897
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:06,519
of hand motion under the table, and it wasn't our hands.

898
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,119
And then they picked up the food plate and under

899
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,679
the food plate was a whole pile of joints. And

900
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,559
let's get there right what No, this was Greek, And

901
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,599
so Richard Branson thinks, Okay, I'm going to get these

902
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,280
guys stoned. I'm going to get these guys laid, and

903
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,119
they're going to be signing my record deal. But they

904
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:32,239
said they were asleep in their own beds, by morning

905
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,639
that morning, So it did not happen because they're not

906
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,440
going to be fooled.

907
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: Don't mix business and pleasure.

908
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: So they end up going with a guy named Johnny

909
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,960
Strains who's with poly Graham, and they said the reason

910
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,840
they went with him was because he didn't do any tricks.

911
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,760
He just was very straightforward. He said, we believe in

912
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,519
you guys. We've got the money to invest in you guys.

913
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,719
We want to give you time, and we want to

914
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,880
take that time with you to make sure that you're

915
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,199
a success. And that was what's sold them. Genuinely, good guy,

916
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:04,719
legitimate deal.

917
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,599
Speaker 2: You told me today what Richard Branson said of that deal?

918
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he later said, that was the night that I

919
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:14,880
lost a billion dollars. Wow.

920
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,159
Speaker 2: Next song on the album is a song called One World.

921
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 3: This is eighties blues at its best. Yeah.

922
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Crockett's taken the testarosa and he's rushing

923
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,679
to Tubbs's aid somewhere right.

924
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, So obviously they have to re record a full album.

925
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:50,960
I can't just use their demo reel. They re record

926
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,440
several of the songs from the demo though, including Sultan's

927
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,679
of Swing Okay, and then they end up having an

928
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,480
argument about which should be the first single, whether it

929
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,039
should be the demo version or the one they recorded

930
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:07,519
for their debut album. It's also called Dire Straits, and

931
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,599
basically the record label won and Sultan's Swing really didn't

932
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:15,119
do that well when it first came out, okay, but

933
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,679
later versions and of course they're touring. Oh, this is

934
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,280
a great story. So before they did the album, they

935
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,159
toured with the Talking Heads, who I mentioned they loved,

936
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:28,639
They got along with swimmingly, had a great time with them.

937
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:35,000
And then their next tour was supposed to be with Styx,

938
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:39,079
but Sticks showed up in the UK and they were

939
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,159
not touted as well as they had been being touted

940
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:46,480
over in America. And so just like two or three

941
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,800
shows in, one of them faked being sick and they

942
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,679
canceled the rest of the shows on the tour, and

943
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,480
so here Dire Straits is. They're like, well, I guess

944
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,840
we're just going to have to do a tour on

945
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:03,880
our own. So their first show on their first tour

946
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,920
was on the first Tuesday in June at the Club

947
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Lafayette in Wolverhampton. They got paid fifty bucks, well fifty quid,

948
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,599
which is you know, fifty British bucks.

949
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 8: Right.

950
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,519
Speaker 3: They walk in, they set up their stuff and they

951
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:23,320
look around and there's one security guard and that is

952
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,079
all in the entire place and they're like, is it

953
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,039
what's going on? And they're like, ah, we'll treat it

954
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:33,840
as a practice session. It'll be fine. So then the

955
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,920
security guard goes to open the door to let the

956
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,159
crowd in. The crowd in being two guys who are

957
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:47,239
both stinking drunk, and he said, so, three songs into

958
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,000
our set for these two guys, one half of the

959
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,440
crowd leaves to go use the facilities. He comes back

960
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,320
a little bit later and before the fourth song can start,

961
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:00,920
he and the other half of the crowd or engaged

962
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,000
in a full on fist He was like, is not

963
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,880
that kind of you know, random drunken brough. This was

964
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,960
a full on, I want to hurt you fistfight between

965
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:16,800
these two guys. Fortunately the security guard was still there,

966
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,760
escorted both of them out and they finished the show

967
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,480
to the security guard. Then two weeks later they got

968
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,639
the return check which had bounced for that fifty quid

969
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:30,920
that they were supposed to get paid.

970
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, I love it. I love it all right,

971
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,000
let's go to the last song on the album, last song,

972
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:38,920
Let's do it. This song is called Brothers and Arms.

973
00:54:39,440 --> 00:55:18,639
Speaker 8: These missed cons. Someday you is and you know longer

974
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,000
about to be brother.

975
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 3: So this one, I feel like you could slip this

976
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:45,480
into the wall by Pink Floyd and nobody wouldn't even

977
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,280
know it is. It's got such a pink Floyd the

978
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,880
wall feel. I mean, even to me, even Mark Knoppolo's voice,

979
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,760
it's it's similar to Roger Waters. I mean, it's just

980
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,000
it's very pink Floyd to me, and I don't really

981
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:01,800
enjoyed it. This was a new one. I had not

982
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
heard this before. I know it was a single that

983
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000
was a release, but it kind of missed my radar.

984
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:09,599
But I really really really like Brothers in Arms the song.

985
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:12,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think this is a great song.

986
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:14,840
This song was written in nineteen eighty two, the year

987
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,760
that Britain invaded excuse me in nineteen eighty six.

988
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: Wow, how about that? Yeah?

989
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:24,559
Speaker 2: This one that Grammy for Best Music Video in February

990
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:25,559
of nineteen eighty seven.

991
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: Yep, and I watched the video.

992
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: Did you watch the video for this? So if you've

993
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,639
ever asked yourself. Why didn't they do more videos like

994
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,840
take on Me with all that cool animation and drawing

995
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,079
and scheduling. Well, this is your video because it's it's

996
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:41,400
like the sequel to take on Me.

997
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:43,159
Speaker 3: That's right. I have seen this video and know what

998
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:43,760
you're talking about.

999
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,039
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of rotoscoping and it looks very similar.

1000
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: Right.

1001
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: This song has been played on the West Wing and

1002
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:56,559
during many military funerals Brothers in Arms. Yeah, yeah, but

1003
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:58,320
I love the song. I think it's a great one. Yeah,

1004
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,960
I've kind of an undiscovered gym for me.

1005
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,159
Speaker 3: So tell me a little bit about I mean, this

1006
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:08,440
album obviously just absolutely blows up, right, I mean million

1007
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,199
CDs sold, thirty million albums. They do just a couple

1008
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,000
more albums and then they're done. Maybe one more.

1009
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,039
Speaker 2: Well, they don't do another album until nineteen ninety one.

1010
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: Right, so they go six years.

1011
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just fizzle out. And the thing I can't

1012
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,039
really put my finger on is every time they talked

1013
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:27,920
Knapfhler about it, he's like, it just got too big,

1014
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,159
got too big, and I became uncomfortable. And the guy

1015
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,119
I saw interviewing him was like, could you give me

1016
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,000
a specific example, like what bothered you, He's like, well,

1017
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:41,039
we would go to eat dinner, like at catering and

1018
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:42,760
we'd see people we didn't recognize.

1019
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:43,679
Speaker 3: That bothered me.

1020
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,039
Speaker 2: He was just uncomfortable with that size of success.

1021
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,639
Speaker 3: Based on what I read, that actually makes sense, so

1022
00:57:50,639 --> 00:57:53,280
I understand it. Mark is a very quiet guy, very

1023
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,119
contemplative guy, you know, even though he's center stage with

1024
00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:01,000
the lights on him on stage. Yeah, he's not that way,

1025
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,239
and he gets awkward whenever people want to talk to

1026
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,400
him about how good, how good his music is. It's

1027
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,599
interesting to me. Obviously, this group started with Mark and

1028
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:13,079
his brother. This their like second to last album, it's

1029
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,400
called Brothers in Arms. When Dave has been gone for

1030
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,800
a while and they don't I don't think they still

1031
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,800
get along very well. It's kind of a tragic story.

1032
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,480
But Dave was He just wasn't learning the songs and

1033
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,320
wasn't doing well with the recording, and the producer would

1034
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,320
be like, go out, you know, go outside, learn this song,

1035
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,079
come back tomorrow or we'll figure it out, and they

1036
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,960
would come back and he's still not know it. He

1037
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:38,840
just wasn't doing it, and he just I think got

1038
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,280
tired of living in Mark's shadow. He actually did they

1039
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,800
sent John, you know, his roommate from when they were

1040
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,079
both dirt poor, to talk to him and go, hey, man,

1041
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:52,360
just you got to learn the music, you know, because

1042
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,440
if you don't, you can't be in the band anymore.

1043
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:59,639
I'm going to go home. Yeah, I'm out. So yeah,

1044
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,960
it's it's just kind of weird to me that you

1045
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:06,239
have this breakdown of the brothers and then their biggest

1046
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,719
hit is called Brothers in Arms.

1047
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,199
Speaker 2: So I think it's weird that this album sells thirty

1048
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,440
million copies and they're like, that's it, We're out of here,

1049
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:18,159
We're done. Fizzle now. They did have a lot of

1050
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:21,599
solo projects. They even formed a country band, or Knoffler did,

1051
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:24,039
So they've done stuff and had success.

1052
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 3: Well, and don't forget Mark Knopfler did soundtrack for The

1053
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,360
Princess Bride. How can we forget that gorgeous? Right?

1054
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: So he's he's done a lot of stuff. Yeah, but

1055
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,400
I heard John Illsley. They're like, do you think I

1056
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,199
mean we'll dire straits ever He's like probably not.

1057
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marks the same way, unless there's some big reason

1058
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:12,800
to do it, there's not a reason to do it.

1059
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,320
It was that was a thing for that time, and

1060
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,679
that time is over and we all would rather have

1061
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,079
our own thing now.

1062
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 2: I told you I watched a video where Mark Knopfler

1063
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,000
met up with Brian Johnson from ac DC right right right,

1064
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,159
and they were in this specific town where they both

1065
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,960
had common memories of playing and sort of success and

1066
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,519
blah blah blah. And they're both you know, wearing jeans

1067
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,320
and you know hats, and they look like a couple

1068
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,840
of old tarts, old farts who are super excited to

1069
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,599
see each other. There's really a sweet video, but there

1070
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:47,239
are people walking by and have no care that they're

1071
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,719
walking by the singer to one of the greatest rock

1072
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,960
bands of all time and maybe the greatest guitar player

1073
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,079
of all time, and have no idea.

1074
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, no clue, just a couple of old dudes. Who.

1075
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:01,320
Why's the camera filming those old dudes? Yeah?

1076
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: I think we're time for final judgment.

1077
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: Okay, So here we are. We're at final judgment. We

1078
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,800
have to decide walking out the door. Are we picking

1079
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,639
up heart by heart? Are we picking up brothers in

1080
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,760
arms by dire straits? You may go first. Okay.

1081
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,519
Speaker 2: So I talked to our buddy James Buckley today and

1082
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:22,360
I asked him. I was generally call him before we record,

1083
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,800
and I say, hey, do you have any anecdotes for

1084
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,719
me for this what we're doing today? And he's like,

1085
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,800
I remember going on a camping trip with some of

1086
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,199
my friends and a couple of my cousins, and he goes,

1087
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,800
the fire was dying and we were listening to this

1088
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,679
tape and it was time to go to bed, and

1089
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:40,239
one of my cousins the last second decided to throw

1090
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,920
an extra log on the fire and burned his eyebrows off.

1091
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,960
He said, that's my memory of this album, which I

1092
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,960
thought was funny. But if you're asking me to compare

1093
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,320
the Heart album with all those sort of rock aquinet

1094
01:01:55,519 --> 01:02:01,199
covered hits that we had and compare to you know this,

1095
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,719
you know one of the best selling albums of the eighties.

1096
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,639
For me, I don't think Brothers in Arms was addressed

1097
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,119
to me at age twelve. I think that's more had

1098
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,599
somebody my uncle's age in mind. But for me, I'm

1099
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:19,119
walking out the door, Spike the football. I'm grabbing Heart's

1100
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:20,760
album over Brothers in Arms.

1101
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so let me mention Kevin Davis also good friend,

1102
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,079
also Patreon.

1103
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:26,599
Speaker 2: What's up?

1104
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: Vin, how you young? Butte Kevin is a huge Dire

1105
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:36,079
Straits fan. Remember talking to him about Sultan's of Swing

1106
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,639
in detail when we did our best of seventy eight,

1107
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:43,920
seventy nine whichever it was, and those songs. There's there's

1108
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,840
the songs from the seventies, and then there's this this album.

1109
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:49,840
I look at the Heart album and as I said

1110
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,639
when we did the episode, seems like literally every single

1111
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:55,760
song on the album could have been a single, right

1112
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,800
And some of them are fantastic nostalgia for me, like

1113
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,039
I'm going to turn them up every single time that

1114
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,679
they come on. But with the Brothers and Arms album,

1115
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,000
as I said, we've got three just absolute killer songs

1116
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,280
sang out of the gate yep. Then you take a

1117
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,760
hard left turn into some way different kind of music.

1118
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,000
And it's not that I don't like that music. It's

1119
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:20,480
just that, like you said, it's it's a different demographic.

1120
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:23,320
It wasn't ten year old me back in nineteen eighty five,

1121
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:26,960
but I'm not ten year old me anymore. I'm nearly

1122
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,679
fifty year old me now, and so I'm listening to

1123
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:33,920
it with a new ear. And those the songs that

1124
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,159
are not the first three songs and not the last song.

1125
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,719
They don't rank to the level that the Heart songs do.

1126
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:42,719
All of those Heart songs could have been singles. Okay,

1127
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:47,159
but if I look at this like across country, team

1128
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,400
and Heart has has a strong pack, brothers in Arms,

1129
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:56,920
has the leader that is so far ahead of everybody else,

1130
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,280
that's time is so much better than everybody else that

1131
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,239
it doesn't really matter what you got because this guy

1132
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,239
just blew it out of the water. And Money for

1133
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,360
Nothing is that song. It is the song. I mean,

1134
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:15,199
I will I will disregard every single Heart song for

1135
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,960
that song alone. And it's not only that song on

1136
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,719
the album. I've got another. I got another four on

1137
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,679
there that I really enjoy and another three and a

1138
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,320
half that I can go I this could grow on

1139
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,559
me over time. So because Money for Nothing is so strong,

1140
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,840
so incredible, so ahead of every other song on these

1141
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,840
two albums, it's the winner for me. Picking Dire Straits, okay,

1142
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:39,280
I love it.

1143
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: I love it well, Guys, we want to hear from you.

1144
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:43,239
Which one do you grab you're walking out the door?

1145
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: Is it?

1146
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: Heart is a dire straits? We want to hear from you.

1147
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, Guys, hit us up on Twitter now X hit

1148
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,239
us up on Facebook. We're at Shirley Podcast on both

1149
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,480
of those. You can email us Shirleypodcast at gmail dot com.

1150
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:58,559
If you do want to join our Patreon page, we

1151
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:00,199
would love to have you. Those are some of our

1152
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:02,679
best episodes and the other great part is we're a big,

1153
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,760
happy Shirley family over there and we engage in fantastic

1154
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,800
discussions on all of our threads over there. So go

1155
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,599
check out our Patreon page, sign up for free, and

1156
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:15,800
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1157
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:16,360
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1158
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,679
Speaker 2: Next week d we have the John Cusack matchup of

1159
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,599
Better Off Dead versus one Crazy.

1160
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:29,079
Speaker 3: Summer Cannot Wait Savage Steve Holland at his best.

1161
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: I want my two dollars come back for that awesome matchup.

1162
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: See you guys. Then where are those guys? They were

1163
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,639
supposed to be here like an hour ago.

1164
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,559
Speaker 2: Somebody called a Shirley you can't be serious podcasts.

1165
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: I'm looking for a couple of guys named Dan Jason.

1166
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:53,239
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here waiting for my Color TV and my

1167
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,960
refrigerator to be delivered.