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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to The Unseen Podcast, a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to missing people, unresolved cases, and UK true crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to be exploring the nineteen eighty one

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<v Speaker 1>murder case of Caroline Harris Reid, who was killed in

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<v Speaker 1>Lamberth in South London. Her death was so out of

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<v Speaker 1>the blue and unnecessary that it shocked the local community,

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<v Speaker 1>as did the trial that came as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>the police investigation. This episode contains descriptions that some listeners

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<v Speaker 1>may find distressing, including some discussion, while not graphic, of

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<v Speaker 1>sexual assault, so listener discretion is advised. On the evening

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<v Speaker 1>of April eighth, nineteen eighty one, twenty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Harris Reid made the over two hundred mile journey

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<v Speaker 1>from her home in Exeter in Devon, Southwest England, to

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<v Speaker 1>South Lambeth Road in London. Caroline was a second year

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<v Speaker 1>English student at the University of Exeter and was traveling

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<v Speaker 1>to London to visit her friend Catherine, who lived in

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<v Speaker 1>the city. Caroline had grown up in the Yorkshire town

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<v Speaker 1>of Harrogate until she was eleven years old, when her

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<v Speaker 1>father Michael and mother Jean had inherited some farmland in Northampton.

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<v Speaker 1>The family moved down to Northampton before eventually settling in

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<v Speaker 1>the area of Great Missingdon in Buckinghamshire, where they owned

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred acres called Prestwood Farm. Growing up, Caroline was

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<v Speaker 1>known as a kind and intelligent young woman who did

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<v Speaker 1>well in her studies. She passed her A levels and

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<v Speaker 1>then decided to go on to take part in a

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<v Speaker 1>secretarial course in London. After this, Caroline decided that she

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<v Speaker 1>would continue her studies at the University of Exeter, and

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<v Speaker 1>by night tineteen eighty one, she was in her second year.

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<v Speaker 1>She shared a cottage and a very small village around

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<v Speaker 1>four miles from the city itself. Caroline had met Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>when they both went on a skiing holiday to Italy,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had become friends, along with a male friend Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>that they met on this same holiday. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>meeting at Catherine's flat that evening on April the eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>While she was there, Caroline had also told people that

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to look for a holiday job. During

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<v Speaker 1>the easter break from university, Caroline pulled up to the

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<v Speaker 1>converted Victorian semi detached house on South Lambeth Road where

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine lived, and the plan was that their friend Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>was also on his way to meet them. This evening

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<v Speaker 1>would not pan out the way that any of them

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<v Speaker 1>had thought, and it would end with tragedy. The alarm

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<v Speaker 1>was raised a few hours after Caroline's arrival at Catherine's

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<v Speaker 1>home would be by Catherine herself. She alerted the police

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<v Speaker 1>that something had happened to Caroline in her home and

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<v Speaker 1>that they needed assistance. Catherine herself was clearly upset and

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed by what she'd witnessed. She recounted the events that

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<v Speaker 1>had led up to the police being called. She explained

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<v Speaker 1>that her and Caroline had been in her home on

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<v Speaker 1>South Lambeth Road and had been waiting for their other friend, Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>to arrive. It was at this point that the intercom

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the flat had buzzed. The pair had

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<v Speaker 1>assumed that this was Andrew arriving, and Catherine said she

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<v Speaker 1>pressed the button and heard a male voice say hello.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two versions reported of what happened with the intercom.

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<v Speaker 1>One report states that the intercom system was not working

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<v Speaker 1>properly and that this man did not need to identify

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<v Speaker 1>himself to come through the door, and the other implies

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<v Speaker 1>that Catherine believed that this man was Andrew to let

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<v Speaker 1>him up to the flat. Catherine then states that the

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<v Speaker 1>man came up to the flat, but when they opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door for him, they realized it was not Andrew.

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<v Speaker 1>The man barged through the door and retrieved a seven

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<v Speaker 1>inch knife and a potato peeler from the kitchen and

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<v Speaker 1>ordered the two women to strip naked at knife point.

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<v Speaker 1>He discussed his sexual fantasies with the two women and

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<v Speaker 1>asked them to become intimate with one another. During this assault,

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine stated that Andrew had turned up at the flat

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<v Speaker 1>and rang the doorbell and threw stones at the window,

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<v Speaker 1>but this did not deter the attacker. After a while,

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine stated that she feigned illness and the man shut

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<v Speaker 1>her into another room. At this point, she said she

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<v Speaker 1>heard a gasp from Caroline in the other room. Not

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<v Speaker 1>long after, the man came into the room where Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>had been left. She noticed that he was holding a

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<v Speaker 1>blood stained knife. She said. He left the room for

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<v Speaker 1>a few seconds and she hid the knife from the attacker,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that this would perhaps slow him down. When he

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<v Speaker 1>came back in and couldn't find the knife, he went

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<v Speaker 1>for Catherine's throat at which point she started screaming. She

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<v Speaker 1>explained that the man tried to put his hand down

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<v Speaker 1>her throat to stop her from screaming, but it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>When he couldn't get her to be quiet, the man

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<v Speaker 1>decided to leave the flat. The story was harrowing and terrifying,

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<v Speaker 1>and police immediately went to the flat to assess the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Police later described Catherine's room as looking like a butcher's shop.

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<v Speaker 1>Pathologist Ian West stated that Caroline had a six inch

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<v Speaker 1>deep knife wound and that it appeared that the knife

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<v Speaker 1>had been twisted when it went in. This knife was

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<v Speaker 1>found to have a serrated edge and was found at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. Caroline was lying in the bedroom on her back,

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<v Speaker 1>with a tweed coat lay on top of her. It

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<v Speaker 1>was found that the position of the coat indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline had been dragged to that position by someone who

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<v Speaker 1>had bloody hands. It truly was a vicious and unprovoked attack,

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<v Speaker 1>and the brutality of it shocked everyone on the case.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another element of the scene which was certainly

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<v Speaker 1>picked up by newspapers at the time. That was the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that an open bible was found at the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>This was thought to be Catherine's Bible from her home,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was the page that it was open at

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<v Speaker 1>that caught the investigator's attention. It was open at chapter

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<v Speaker 1>five of the Book of Micah. This chapter has been

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<v Speaker 1>described as violent and uses many incendiary words such as

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<v Speaker 1>cut off and vengeance, anger and fury. This spiked the

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<v Speaker 1>theory that this could have been committed by quote a

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<v Speaker 1>religious maniac. This was something that was stated in articles

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<v Speaker 1>in tabloids very soon after Caroline's murder. Whether this was

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<v Speaker 1>true or just sensationalist reports is something to take into account.

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<v Speaker 1>Another theory that was noted in the press soon after

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<v Speaker 1>the murder was that this could have been the work

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<v Speaker 1>of a peeping tom who lived in the area. There

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<v Speaker 1>had been reports of this type of suspect spying on

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<v Speaker 1>couples on Clapham Common, and there was a possible link

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<v Speaker 1>suggested to this. Scotland Yard issued a photofit of the killer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was described as in his late twenties, with mousy

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<v Speaker 1>hair and about five feet six inches tall. He was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a white T shirt, gray trousers and a light

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<v Speaker 1>colored jacket. It was hoped that this photo fit would

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<v Speaker 1>resemble someone and that information would come in as a

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<v Speaker 1>result Caroline's family was said to be deeply shocked and

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<v Speaker 1>upset by what had happened to Caroline and wanted privacy.

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<v Speaker 1>Those that knew both Caroline and the family in Great

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<v Speaker 1>Missenden expressed their shock and horror at the news of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, with one neighbor of the family saying everyone

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<v Speaker 1>here stunned. Caroline was a lovely girl and the Harris

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<v Speaker 1>Reeds are a marvelous family. What has happened to them

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be more unjust. Police stated that Catherine was quote

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely heartbroken and too upset to return to the flat.

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<v Speaker 1>This was completely understandable given what she had been through,

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<v Speaker 1>and no doubt her information about the suspects was invaluable

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<v Speaker 1>to the officers working on the case. Catherine was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the investigation given that she had got a very

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<v Speaker 1>good look at the killer for several hours, including body

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<v Speaker 1>type expressions and his features. Despite quite a thorough investigation

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<v Speaker 1>with an eye witness, the case appeared to be moving

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<v Speaker 1>slowly and little progress was made in the months following

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. This is how it appeared on the outside. However,

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<v Speaker 1>around eleven months after the murder occurred, an arrest was

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<v Speaker 1>made twenty one year old Frank Harvey lived on South

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<v Speaker 1>Lambeth Road, almost opposite Catherine, in a row of masonet houses.

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<v Speaker 1>His flat was said to be on level with Catherine's

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the road. At the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder, he worked as a storman at a shop,

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<v Speaker 1>and his arrest came off the back of two positive

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<v Speaker 1>identifications by Catherine. Is reported that in April, just two

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<v Speaker 1>days after the murder, Catherine had pointed out Frank Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>as possibly being the man who had killed Caroline. Seven

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<v Speaker 1>months later, during an identification parade in November nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>she again pointed him out. During the trial, which took

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<v Speaker 1>place in May nineteen eighty two, Inspector David Hewitt told

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<v Speaker 1>the court how Catherine reacted during the identification in November.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that she was shaking when she pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Harvey, saying that it was him. He said, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember it very clearly, being very dramatic and the most

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<v Speaker 1>clear identification I've seen. Catherine told the court that she

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<v Speaker 1>recognized the man due to what she called a deformed nose.

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<v Speaker 1>She stated that as soon as she saw him in

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<v Speaker 1>the original parade in April. She noticed it. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>after I looked at him, I just burst into tears.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so similar, it could have been the same person.

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<v Speaker 1>One nostril was closed up and it did not look

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<v Speaker 1>as if he could breathe through it. I noticed his

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<v Speaker 1>nose when he was leaning over me on the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>It was stated at trial that when Catherine took part

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<v Speaker 1>in the second parade in November, the men all had

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<v Speaker 1>their noses covered with plasters. Catherine again pointed out Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>in the line up. She said she knew even without

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<v Speaker 1>seeing his nose. The prosecution asked her if there was

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility that she was wrong, She said, I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was him. Frank Harvey explained that he had an

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<v Speaker 1>alibi for that night. He said he was at the

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<v Speaker 1>local pub but had felt unwell, and he'd returned home

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<v Speaker 1>that night to his bed. In his summing up, the judge,

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<v Speaker 1>Justice mac Cowan, q C issued caution to the jury

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<v Speaker 1>when coming to a decision based solely on just witness

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<v Speaker 1>identification evidence. He explained that while Catherine had seen the

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<v Speaker 1>killer for over two hours in the flat and got

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<v Speaker 1>a look at him at several angles, they still had

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<v Speaker 1>to consider if this evidence is enough. He explained that

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<v Speaker 1>a witness might be honest and convincing but still mistaken.

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<v Speaker 1>The quality of the identification evidence was what mattered, not

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<v Speaker 1>the volume. It may be good even if you only

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<v Speaker 1>have one witness, he said. You test whether it's good

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<v Speaker 1>or poor by examining closely the circumstances in which it

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<v Speaker 1>came to be made. He told the jury to do

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<v Speaker 1>their job and decide whether it has been proven in law.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury retired and deliberated for seven hours before returning

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<v Speaker 1>with a message for the judge. They stated that they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't come to a decision in the case and couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>agree on a verdict. The judge decided that as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>a retrial would have to be ordered. This meant that

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<v Speaker 1>the trial would have to start all over again in

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<v Speaker 1>the hope that this time a verdict would be reached.

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<v Speaker 1>It also meant the jury were unsure about the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>against Frank Harvey that had been presented. He would remain

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<v Speaker 1>in custody during this time, where it was reported that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd been in voluntary solitary confinement. The second trial took

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<v Speaker 1>place in October nineteen eighty two. Around five months later,

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this second trial, a verdict was reached.

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Harvey was found not guilty of the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Harris Reid. The second trial was not reported on

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<v Speaker 1>by the press. This was down to a judge ruling.

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<v Speaker 1>It would turn out that there was another charge against

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Harvey that was also making its way through the courts.

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<v Speaker 1>The other charge was connected in some ways to Caroline's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>On the twelfth of November nineteen eighty one, eighteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old Amanda Marshall was walking her dog near South Lambeth

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<v Speaker 1>Road at around eight thirty pm when a man came

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<v Speaker 1>up behind her. He put his arm around her neck

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<v Speaker 1>hurt you if you do what you're told. Another man

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<v Speaker 1>approached them as this was going on, and the man

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<v Speaker 1>and the man eventually ran off. This was a terrifying

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<v Speaker 1>During an identification parade, she had picked out Frank Harvey. This,

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<v Speaker 1>along with the identification of Harvey by Catherine a second

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<v Speaker 1>Lambeth Road area. Due to this connection to this other case,

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<v Speaker 1>the judge had ordered that the press not report on it.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of October nineteen eighty two, Frank Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>This time he pled guilty to the charges of indecent assault.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge described the assault as a nasty and frightening offense,

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<v Speaker 1>but stated that the maximum sentence he could impose would

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<v Speaker 1>be two years. He explained that due to the murder charges,

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<v Speaker 1>Harvey had already spent around ten months in prison and

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<v Speaker 1>due to good conduct, his sentence would be reduced to

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<v Speaker 1>one year anyway, which the judge felt he had already served.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda's family were angry about this sentence, with mun Patricia

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<v Speaker 1>storming out of the public gallery saying there is no

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<v Speaker 1>justice in this land. The judge asked her to stay quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>saying your intervention is understandable. Missus Marshall spoke to the

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<v Speaker 1>press outside the Old Bailey, saying the judge was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the effect on Harvey, his family and his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the victim. My daughter has been frightened to

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<v Speaker 1>go out at night ever since this happened. It may

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<v Speaker 1>have been a minor offense, but it's not minor to

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<v Speaker 1>a girl standing there finding a big man with his

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<v Speaker 1>arm around her neck and touching her intimately. Frank Harvey's defense,

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<v Speaker 1>led by Michael Hill, QC, explained after the decision the

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<v Speaker 1>consequence of his arrest in connection with this matter was

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<v Speaker 1>that he found himself charged with a quite appalling murder

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<v Speaker 1>committed in April of the same year. He also stated

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<v Speaker 1>that Harvey had been kept in quite poor conditions due

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<v Speaker 1>to his decision to go into voluntary solitary confinement. He

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<v Speaker 1>said the conditions in which he was kept were far

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<v Speaker 1>more onerous than usual. As a consequence of these matters,

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<v Speaker 1>he suffered a penalty due it is true to the

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<v Speaker 1>allegation of murder, which more than compensates for the crime

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<v Speaker 1>in which he has admitted. In this case, the defense

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be saying that he was connected to the

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<v Speaker 1>murder as a result of the assault which he had admitted,

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<v Speaker 1>and that due to the fact that he had been

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<v Speaker 1>imprisoned for those months on the suspicion of murder, he

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<v Speaker 1>had already paid his dues for it. This argument, however

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<v Speaker 1>accurate in terms of law, would have been no solace

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<v Speaker 1>Romander's family and I'm sure Caroline's family, who were back

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<v Speaker 1>to square one with her case and investigation. It was

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<v Speaker 1>now back to being an unsolved crime with no justice.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty three, it was reported in the paper

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<v Speaker 1>that a Scotland Yard spokesman commented on the case. They said,

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<v Speaker 1>the file on the case is technically still open, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be a fair bet that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>will be charged. It's unlikely that we shall be looking

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone else in connection with this matter. This is

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely hard thing for anyone to hear, and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they believe that they got their man and

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<v Speaker 1>just could not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt is

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<v Speaker 1>difficult in any case. This is such a tragedy and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel so sad that Caroline has still not had

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<v Speaker 1>justice for what happened to her. If you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the murder of Caroline Harris Reid in nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 1>then please contact police on one oh one. Thank you

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