1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: You know, I was sitting up late last night just 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,080 scrolling as you do. 3 00:00:04,639 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: The doom scroll, a modern ritual. 4 00:00:06,839 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Totally, and I stumble across this piece of old folklore. 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,240 It's something you see in movies all the time, but 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,240 I guess I never really stop to think about the 7 00:00:15,119 --> 00:00:17,359 actual mechanics of it. You know, the vampire rule. 8 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: The vampire rule. Okay, so are we're talking about like 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,120 the not being able to go out in the sun 10 00:00:21,839 --> 00:00:22,679 or the garlic thing. 11 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,679 Speaker 1: No, no, not that stuff. I'm talking about the really 12 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:27,800 old one, the original rule, the one that says, a vampire, 13 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:31,000 no matter how powerful it is, right, it can't come 14 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,679 into your house unless you invite. 15 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: It in Ah, yes, the threshold. It's all about permission, 16 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,479 consent really exactly. 17 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: It's about consent, this idea that evil, like pure evil, 18 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:45,719 can't just force its way into your home, into your sanctuary. 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,240 It needs you to open the door. 20 00:00:48,359 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: You have to effectively say yes. You have to participate 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,039 in your own well, your own downfall. 22 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: I guess you have to participate. Hold on to that 23 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:01,600 thought because the source material we're digging into today it 24 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:06,120 takes that exact idea. That piece of Gothic horror folklore, 25 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,239 and it applies it to well to our reality. 26 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: And it's a huge leap, right, going from Dracula to 27 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,599 the global elead. 28 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: It's a massive lead. We're talking about this just mind 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,239 bending conversation from the Joe Rogan experience he had the 30 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,159 filmmaker Roger Avery on and. 31 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: What Avery suggests is hmm, it's chilling. He basically posits 32 00:01:28,599 --> 00:01:32,560 this theory that there's a what he calls a Luciferian elite, right, 33 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:35,200 and that they operate on this very same principle, this 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:36,480 vampire rule, like. 35 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: They're bound by some kind of cosmic. 36 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:41,159 Speaker 2: Law, a rule book exactly, a rule book that says 37 00:01:41,159 --> 00:01:43,480 they can't just do the things they do, the manipulation, 38 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,200 the crimes, all of it. 39 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:46,599 Speaker 1: All the stuff we're going to get into, the really 40 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:47,200 dark stuff. 41 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,439 Speaker 2: They can't do any of it unless they tell us about. 42 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: It first, unless they get our permission. 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: But it's how they get that permission that's the twist. 44 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,120 It's not like they hold a press conference and say, hey, 45 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,519 we're planning to do these terrible things. Is everyone cool 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:58,879 with that? 47 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: No? No, of course not. They tell us through movies. 48 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:06,799 They tell us through comedy shows, through symbolism and music 49 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:10,039 videos through these codes hidden in plain sight. 50 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: And here's the part that really gets under your skin. 51 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,080 The theory is that when we watch it, when we 52 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:16,919 consume it as. 53 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: Entertainment and we laugh at the joke, or we just. 54 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: Sit there and eat our popcorn while watching. 55 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,479 Speaker 1: The movie, that's the invitation. 56 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,199 Speaker 2: That is the invitation. That's you, us, everyone turning the 57 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,199 knob and opening the door for the vampire. 58 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:32,159 Speaker 1: You're giving your consent without even realizing it. You're becoming complicit. 59 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:36,199 Speaker 2: It's a kind of metaphysical contract. They show you the horror, 60 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,240 you accept it as fiction, and by doing so, you've 61 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,199 tacitly agreed that it can exist in the real world. 62 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:43,759 You've been neutralized. 63 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: It's like you're signing away your soul. But you thought 64 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:48,639 you were just signing up for a streaming service. And 65 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:51,400 today we are going to read the fine print on 66 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,879 that contract. Are welcome to thrilling threads. We're here to 67 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,280 pull on these loose strings of reality and just see 68 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,240 what happens, see what unravels. 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: And I'm here to try and keep us from getting 70 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:09,280 completely lost in the conspiracy weeds. But I have to 71 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:14,199 warn you this particular thread, it's less like yarn and 72 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:15,800 more like a high voltage cable. 73 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not a light one. We're diving into 74 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:23,199 this incredibly dense, incredibly dark conversation that I mean. It 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,400 goes everywhere from a guy having a meltdown at the Atlanta. 76 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: Airport to the forensic chemistry of dissolving bodies with sulfuric 77 00:03:31,039 --> 00:03:32,400 acid on a private island. 78 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:35,599 Speaker 1: We are going deep. We're talking about the Luciferian spell, 79 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,759 what the source calls the Zombie Society, and of course 80 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:42,560 those emails, the bizarre coded emails. 81 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, this is your warning. Buckle up. We're not 82 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:47,439 just reading between the lines today. We're trying to decode 83 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:48,240 the invisible ink. 84 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,159 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's lay at the map a little, just 85 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:52,919 so everyone knows the terrain. The primary source is this 86 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,120 clip from the Joe Rogan Experience, a conversation with Roger Avery. 87 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:58,159 Speaker 2: And it's important to know who Avery is. He's not 88 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:01,280 just some random guy. He's an Academy Award winning screenwriter. 89 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:04,120 He wrote pulp fiction with Quentin. 90 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: Tarantino, which is key, right, It's. 91 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:10,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely key, because he understands story. He understands how narratives 92 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,599 are built, how fiction works, how to manipulate an audience. 93 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: So he's not looking at this like a journalist just 94 00:04:15,919 --> 00:04:18,319 looking for facts and figures. He's looking at it like 95 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,839 a storyteller. He's looking for the script. And he thinks 96 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,040 the script for our reality is being written by a 97 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,360 very small group of people. 98 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: He actually throws out a number eighty five hundred. 99 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: People, which is so specific. 100 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:34,399 Speaker 2: It's incredibly specific. It implies he thinks this is an 101 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:37,600 organized group, not just a vague concept. Yeah, and he 102 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,040 believes these eighty five hundred people are well running the 103 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:41,519 whole show. 104 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: And the show today is going to cover what. First 105 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,560 we have the Atlanta Airport guy, the man who supposedly 106 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,040 woke up. 107 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: Then there's the whole theory of predictive programming, the idea 108 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,759 that movies are basically trailers for future crimes. 109 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,079 Speaker 1: Then the real nitty gritty, the forensic debate over what 110 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,720 was happening on Jeffrey Epstein's island. Was he buying acid 111 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,839 for his water treatment planned or for. 112 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: Something else, something much much darker. 113 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: And the emails. We have to talk about the emails, 114 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,600 the pizza, the beef jerkey, the torture videos. We're going 115 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,959 to try and parse that language that the source claims 116 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,399 is a blatant, almost insulting code. 117 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,519 Speaker 2: And the whole thing is sort of anchored by this 118 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,519 old philosophical idea Latin phrase Munda's voltiicipi. 119 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,519 Speaker 1: The world wants to be deceived. 120 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,519 Speaker 2: The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived. 121 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: That phrase, just it sends a shiver down my spine. Yeah, okay, 122 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,879 let's start with the prophecy part, this idea that fiction 123 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,360 isn't really fiction. 124 00:05:37,639 --> 00:05:40,319 Speaker 2: Right. So Avery kicks off with this fascinating point about 125 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:44,920 certain creators. Yeah. He specifically names Ridley Scott and Kormack. 126 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy heavy hitters, the heaviest man, and. 127 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: He suggests that these artists, these top tier storytellers, they 128 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:51,639 know things. 129 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:52,639 Speaker 1: They're not just guessing. 130 00:05:53,079 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: No, his argument is that they're not just sitting in 131 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,199 a room imagining dark scenarios out of thin air. There 132 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,639 are somehow privy to information. They get the memo before 133 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:02,319 the rest of us do. 134 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: He gives a really specific example too. He talks about 135 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,720 a movie plot. He doesn't name the film, but the 136 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,199 description is vivid, extremely vivid. 137 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: It's about a plot where people are put into fifty 138 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,319 five gallon drums filled with sulfuric acid. 139 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: And sometimes the drums are like disguised, made to look 140 00:06:19,319 --> 00:06:21,519 like they're full of milk or some other industrial fluid, 141 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,120 and then they're just shipped around the world. 142 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: It's a truly horrifying image. But Avery's point isn't just wow, 143 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,560 what a scary movie idea. His point is about our 144 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:33,399 reaction to it. 145 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, if that movie came out today, right now, 146 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:37,519 the reaction. 147 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,519 Speaker 2: From the public wouldn't be shocked. It wouldn't be oh 148 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,279 my god, what a twisted imagination the writer most happened. 149 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,759 Speaker 1: No, the reaction would just be, yeah, that's what's happening. 150 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,639 Speaker 2: That sounds about right. 151 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: We just NodD along, which suggests we've hit this point 152 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,600 of like total desensitization. The line between the most extreme 153 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,000 horror movie and the evening news has just it's gone. 154 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: It's completely evaporated. And this is the perfect entry point 155 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,439 into this concept of predictive programming. 156 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,079 Speaker 1: It's a term that's been floating around conspiracy circles for 157 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,680 a long time, but I feel like Avery really crystallizes it. 158 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,079 Speaker 2: He does. The idea is that the elite, or the Luciferians, 159 00:07:12,079 --> 00:07:15,199 as he calls them, they use media to reveal their 160 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,639 plans before they execute them. 161 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,879 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like an inoculation by showing it 162 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,360 to you in a movie. First, the shock value is 163 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:24,079 gone when it happens in real life. 164 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: Exactly, you get a little, tiny, safe dose of the 165 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:30,360 virus in a movie theater with your popcorn and your soda. 166 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:35,120 So when the real virus hits society, your psychological immune 167 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,040 system doesn't have a total meltout. 168 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Your brain just goes, oh, I've seen this before. I 169 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,160 have a file for this. 170 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: Building falls down. Check saw that in ten different action movies. 171 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,480 You don't panic in the same way. You just accept 172 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,439 it as part of the ongoing story of reality. 173 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: But Avery takes it a step further, doesn't He It's 174 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,319 not just about like psychological cushioning. 175 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: No, this is where he brings it back to the 176 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,920 vampire rule. He thinks it's about a cosmic or karmic law. 177 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,279 They have to tell you as part of the ritual. 178 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,959 Speaker 1: And if they show it to you and you don't 179 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,360 rise up, if you watch the movie about the acid 180 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,279 barrels and you don't know march on Washington. 181 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:12,839 Speaker 2: You've consented. You've consented, you have acquiesced, you have sent 182 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:16,759 a signal to whatever forces are out there that this 183 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:17,560 is acceptable. 184 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:21,759 Speaker 1: The example he uses for this is it's really disturbing 185 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:24,120 when you actually visualize it. He talks about a Stephen 186 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:24,800 Colbert skit. 187 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: Yes, this is a very very specific example of what 188 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,920 he calls ritual mockery. 189 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:32,639 Speaker 1: Okay, so break it down. What does he describe? 190 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: He describes a skit from Colbert's show where Colbert, the 191 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,480 late night host is holding a baby, a real baby, apparently, 192 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:42,240 and the whole. 193 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,039 Speaker 1: Joke, the whole bit involves him handing this baby over 194 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,279 to a representation of Mullach Moloch. 195 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: For anyone who's not up on their ancient Canaanite deities, 196 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,240 Moloch is the god associated with child sacrifice. 197 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: Usually shown as like a big bull headed statue with 198 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:57,799 a furnace in its stomach. 199 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: Correct the historical accounts, which are grim talk about passing 200 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,679 children through fire as a form of worship. It is 201 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,399 one of the ultimate taboos in all of human history. 202 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: And Colbert is doing a comedy bit about it. 203 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and Avery describes the set. He says, there's this 204 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:18,360 cloudy red furnace on stage during a comedy show, and 205 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,600 Colbert makes his jokes hands the baby over towards this 206 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,000 furnace and the studio audience. They laugh, they laugh, they. 207 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: Applaud, and that's the sound, that's the key, that's the 208 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,840 permission being granted. 209 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:32,639 Speaker 2: That is the spell in action. According to Avery, he says, 210 00:09:32,759 --> 00:09:36,200 and I'm paraphrasing here, we're all conditioned now, we've all 211 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,519 seen it, and by laughing at it, we were all complicted. 212 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:41,799 Speaker 1: It's so heavy. He basically asked, do you think this 213 00:09:41,879 --> 00:09:44,600 is all part of a grand design to desensitize us 214 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,320 to the idea of demon's eating babies? And the conclusion 215 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,480 in the source is a very clear yes. 216 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:52,639 Speaker 2: It completely reframes how you look at entertainment. If you 217 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,960 buy into this theory even a little bit, you can't 218 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,639 just watch a movie anymore. You can't just laugh at 219 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:57,039 a skit. 220 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: You're always wondering, am I being briefed right now? Is 221 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,679 this a test? Am I signing a contract? By laughing? 222 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:03,639 Speaker 2: You start to wonder what we're all laughing at right 223 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 now that in ten years won't be a joke at all. 224 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: So if most of us are in that audience laughing along, 225 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,559 what happens when someone isn't What happens when someone stands 226 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:15,559 up in the middle of the theater and starts screaming 227 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:16,559 that the movie is real. 228 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: Well, and you get the Atlanta airport incident. 229 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,919 Speaker 1: Okay, I definitely remember seeing clips of this when it 230 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 went viral. It was all over social media. But the 231 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:27,480 way the source frames it is very different from just 232 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,279 you know, guy has public freak. 233 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 2: At, very different. So the story is, there's this, as 234 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,200 they describe him, well dressed black dude at Hartsteel Jackson 235 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,639 Airport in Atlanta, and he just loses it. 236 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,799 Speaker 1: But it's how he loses it that's important. 237 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,159 Speaker 2: It's everything. He doesn't snap in some incoherent, random way. 238 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,120 He's not yelling about the price of peanuts or a 239 00:10:48,159 --> 00:10:48,840 flight delay. 240 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: No, he starts yelling very specifically that he has read 241 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,600 the Epstein Files. 242 00:10:52,919 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: Imagine that scene. You're there, you're miserable. It's an airport, 243 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:58,919 You're just trying to get to your gate, find a 244 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,639 working outlet to chart your phone. 245 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: And suddenly this guy starts screaming at the whole terminal. 246 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,759 You're all going about your lives like nothing's happening. You're 247 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:06,720 all zombies. 248 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: Zombies and drones those are the words he used. He's 249 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,320 looking at this crowd of people just you know, staring 250 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,120 at their phone, sipping their Starbucks. Yeah, and he sees 251 00:11:16,159 --> 00:11:18,240 them as the walking dead as. 252 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,399 Speaker 1: NPCs avery in the clip makes an immediate connection to 253 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,600 the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. 254 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: It's the perfect analogy because the horror in that movie 255 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:30,440 isn't a monster with claws. The horror is that everyone 256 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,559 you know and love looks the same, but they're hollowed out. 257 00:11:34,759 --> 00:11:37,360 They've been replaced by something that's just going through the motions. 258 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: The spark is gone. 259 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:40,919 Speaker 2: The spark is gone, and the source poses this really 260 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,080 uncomfortable question, is the Atlanta Airport. 261 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:47,519 Speaker 1: Guy wrong not about people being literal pod people, but 262 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,399 about the numbness, the drone like state exactly? 263 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,879 Speaker 2: I mean, think about what our society has just collectively 264 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:55,759 absorbed and shrugged off in the last five years alone. 265 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:56,960 The source runs down. 266 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,399 Speaker 1: The list, a global pandemic that literally shut down the 267 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:00,639 entire plance Jack. 268 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: Then we had official, on the record congressional hearings about 269 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:09,639 UFOs or UAPs, high ranking military officials testifying under oath 270 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,360 about non human biologics, and. 271 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: What happened nothing. We made some memes about it for 272 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,279 a week and then moved on. It was like, oh, 273 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,759 aliens are real cool? Did you see the season finale 274 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,639 of that new show? 275 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,519 Speaker 2: The so what factor, as the Source calls it, and 276 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:27,480 then of course the revelations about elite trafficking networks, the 277 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,080 Epstein files themselves. The Source argues that we're presented with 278 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,759 these absolute society breaking horrors. 279 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Keeps coming back to the phrase eating babies. 280 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,639 Speaker 2: He does to drive home the extremity of it, and 281 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,759 we as a society just move on. I just absorb 282 00:12:42,799 --> 00:12:43,720 it and keep scrolling. 283 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: So why why do we do that? Is it just apathy? 284 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,279 Are we just that tired and beaten down? 285 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: I think it could be a survival mechanism. I mean, 286 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,440 if you truly genuinely process the full weight of every 287 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,679 single one of those horrors, yea. If you sat with 288 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:01,080 the implications of the Epstein case every day function, you 289 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,039 couldn't get out of bed, you couldn't go to your job, 290 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,720 you couldn't pack your kids lunches. So we developed this 291 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:10,000 psychological callousing. But the source argues that callousing is what 292 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:13,639 makes us the drones. We're just waiting for the next update, 293 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,799 the next scene in. 294 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,279 Speaker 1: The script, and that brings us back to that Latin phrase, 295 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,960 the one that feels like the thesis statement for this 296 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:20,480 whole thing. 297 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,279 Speaker 2: Mundus ergo dishipiato. 298 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: The world wants to be deceived, therefore let it be deceived. 299 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:30,639 Speaker 2: It's this ancient idea that the truth is often just 300 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,840 too painful, too complicated, or too ugly to live with. 301 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,600 So we don't just tolerate the lie. We actively crave it. 302 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,039 We want the illusion. 303 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,519 Speaker 1: We want the steak to taste good, even if we're 304 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,919 in the matrix and we know the steak isn't real. 305 00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:46,159 We choose the blue pill every. 306 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: Time we do. We prefer the comfortable, predictable story over 307 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:53,639 the chaotic, terrifying reality. So when someone like the guy 308 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:56,279 in the Atlanta airport stands up and screams the truth, 309 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,840 or at least what he believes is the truth, we 310 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,759 don't see him as a hero. 311 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: We see him as a crazy person. 312 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:03,639 Speaker 2: We want security to take him away. We want it 313 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,480 to be quiet so we can go back to our 314 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,679 comfortable deception. 315 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:08,519 Speaker 1: Because if he's right, then our whole world is a 316 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,759 lie and we'd have to do something about it, and 317 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:13,240 that's just it's too much work. It's easier to just 318 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,240 call him crazy and wait for our barding call. 319 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: You're protecting the narrative, and if this source is right, 320 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,000 that narrative is the most tightly controlled commodity on earth. 321 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,519 Speaker 1: Okay, So speaking of things that are tightly controlled and 322 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:26,919 that we tend to ignore, we have to get into 323 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,360 the emails, the Epstein emails. This is where it goes 324 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:34,080 from philosophical to like forensic. 325 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: Yes, this is where we look at the actual text. 326 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,279 And the source is quick to point out how hard 327 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,440 this is to do, as Avery says, it's just stuff 328 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,399 written down. It's boring on the surface, it's lists and requests. 329 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:49,399 Speaker 1: But then he starts pointing out these phrases that just 330 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,840 they don't make any sense in a normal context, the code, 331 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,399 as he calls it. And look, I've read my share 332 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,320 of boring corporate emails. I have never once seen anyone 333 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,159 ask a colleague to walk beef jerky over to someone. 334 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: That's the exact phrase that jumps out of him. Could 335 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,320 you walk beef jerky over to this person? 336 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Let's just break that down for a second. How do 337 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:09,919 you walk jerky. It's a food product, it's an animate. 338 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: You carry it, you send it, you deliver it. You 339 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:12,519 don't walk it. 340 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:14,919 Speaker 1: You walk a dog, you walk a child to school, 341 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:18,200 you walk a person to their car. The verb implies 342 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,080 something that moves on its own two. 343 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:23,759 Speaker 2: Feet, and the source argues that this strained, clumsy phrasing 344 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,720 isn't the typo, it's the tell. It's the smoking gun. 345 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:31,879 That beef jerky is code for a person a victim. 346 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,399 Speaker 1: And then there are the food orders themselves. It's always 347 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,399 the same weird menu, pizza, gallons of grape soda ice cream. 348 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,279 Speaker 2: Again, you have to apply the context filter. Who are 349 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,120 we talking about. We're talking about billionaires, people with private 350 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,080 chefs and access to the most exclusive food in the world. 351 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: Right they can have wag you beef flown in from 352 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,600 Japan on a whim. They're not ordering dominoes. 353 00:15:53,679 --> 00:15:56,399 Speaker 2: So the source asks the question, how many billionaires do 354 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,080 you know that sit around eating massive amounts of cheese, pizza, 355 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,960 and grape soda. 356 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: It sounds like the menu for a ten year old's 357 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,639 birthday party. 358 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:07,799 Speaker 2: Which is precisely the horrific implication. The argument is that pizza, soda, 359 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,519 ice cream, these aren't food orders their code, they're placeholders 360 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,879 for contraband or, in the darkest interpretation, for children. 361 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,039 Speaker 1: It makes you think of modern slang. You know how 362 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:21,279 people use emojis to talk about things they don't want 363 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:21,960 to say out right. 364 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,519 Speaker 2: It's the exact same principle. It's a coded language designed 365 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:28,320 to fly under the radar. And some of the logistical 366 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,360 details in the emails seem to back this up. 367 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:31,919 Speaker 1: He mentions chilled containers. 368 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,399 Speaker 2: Yes, why do I need a chill bag for these items? 369 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,840 If you're just sending documents or you know, a box 370 00:16:38,879 --> 00:16:40,840 of beef jerky, you don't need. 371 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:43,159 Speaker 1: A cooler, right, you put it in a Manila envelope. 372 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: But you do need a chilled container if you're transporting, say, 373 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:51,840 medical supplies or biological samples or something else that needs 374 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:54,440 to be kept at a specific temperature. It adds this 375 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:58,639 layer of grim logistical plausibility to the whole dark theory. 376 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: And then there's the really crypt the Damascus email. My 377 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,319 Island is like Damascus. What did you make of that? 378 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 2: Well, the hosts in the clip were brainstorming it, and 379 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,400 they came up with a few possibilities. The most famous 380 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,359 association with Damascus is the Road to Damascus. 381 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,319 Speaker 1: Where the apostle Paul had his conversion, a moment of 382 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:17,799 blinding revelation. 383 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:20,799 Speaker 2: Exactly so in that sense, my island is like Damascus. 384 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,839 Could mean this is a place of enlightenment. Come here 385 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,160 and I will show you the truth, which you know 386 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:27,799 has a very cult like ring to it. 387 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. Come to my island and I'll open 388 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:31,279 your eyes. 389 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: Another interpretation is that Damascus is one of the oldest 390 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:38,079 continuously inhabited cities on Earth. It's built on layers and 391 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,160 layers of history, so maybe he meant there are secrets 392 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:41,759 buried here. 393 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,039 Speaker 1: Or the more modern interpretation is that Damascus has been 394 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:48,000 a center of conflict, a war zone, a place outside 395 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 the normal rule of law, where anything goes. 396 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 2: It's completely ambiguous. Yeah, but that's the point of a 397 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,559 good code, isn't it. Yeah, plausible deniability. However, there's one 398 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:00,359 email the source points to that is not ambiguous at. 399 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:02,319 Speaker 1: All, the torture video email. 400 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and this one is so chilling because it's not coded. 401 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:08,720 The email, as it's reported, just says thank you for 402 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:10,759 the torture video. I enjoyed the torture video. 403 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,519 Speaker 1: There's no poetry there, no thank you for the extra 404 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:15,039 spicy hot dog, just. 405 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: Blunt, dark. And this is Avery's anchor point in the argument. 406 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,319 He says, look, while most of it is coded. Sometimes 407 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,960 the mask slips completely. This is an interpretation anymore. This 408 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:29,160 is a direct, written admission of enjoying extreme sadism. 409 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: And it changes how you see everything else. It removes 410 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,359 the benefit of the doubt. Once I know you enjoy 411 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,799 watching torture videos, I'm not going to assume that your 412 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:39,279 request for a walking beef jerky is just a quirky 413 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:40,640 way of talking about snacks. 414 00:18:40,799 --> 00:18:43,839 Speaker 2: No, you're going to assume the absolute worst. And that 415 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,079 email validates the entire pattern seeking exercise. It says you're 416 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:50,720 not crazy for thinking this is a code. You'd be 417 00:18:50,759 --> 00:18:51,720 crazy to ignore it. 418 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,839 Speaker 1: Okay, So we have the psychological conditioning through media, we 419 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,519 have the coded communications. Now we need to talk about 420 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:02,759 the physical evidence, the hardware, the purchase orders for sulfuric acid. 421 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,559 Speaker 2: This section of the discussion is for me one of 422 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:07,799 the most compelling and disturbing. We have to be really 423 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,000 clear about the facts as they're presented in the source. 424 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:12,480 It's all about the timeline and the quantity. 425 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: All right, lay it out for us, what are the. 426 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: Fact Fact number one, Jeffrey Epstein placed an order for 427 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,000 a very large quantity of sulfuric acid, specifically six fifty 428 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,200 five gallon drums. 429 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: Let's just pause on that. A fifty five gallon drum 430 00:19:26,079 --> 00:19:30,759 is not a small container. It's a huge blue industrial barrel, 431 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:33,759 the kind you see in a chemical plant. Six of them. 432 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:36,039 Speaker 2: We're talking about three hundred and thirty gallons of one 433 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:38,000 of the most corrosive acids known to man. 434 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:40,599 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's fact one, the quantity. What's fact two. 435 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: Fact two is the timing. This order was placed almost 436 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,799 immediately after his indictment, the sources two thousand and seven 437 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,039 or two thousand and eight, the moment the legal wall 438 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,039 started closing in. 439 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: So let's get this straight. The federal government is coming 440 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 after him for sex trafficking. His entire criminal enterprise is 441 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,319 about to be exposed, and his first, his priority, his 442 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,759 first action item is to buy three hundred and thirty 443 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:05,799 gallons of acid. 444 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:08,799 Speaker 2: The source puts it in the plainest terms possible. I 445 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:10,839 got to get rid of some bodies. That is the 446 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,400 breaking bad theory of the crime. 447 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:15,839 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate evidence disposal method. If you're a trafficker 448 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,319 and the heat is on, you need to clean house. 449 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:22,000 You need to literally erase the evidence of your worst crimes. 450 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: And Sulphuric acid is brutally effective at that it dissolves 451 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:28,240 organic material, flesh, bone, teeth, everything. There's no body. It's 452 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,559 very hard to prove a murder. 453 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: It's the perfect eraser. But we have to be fair here. 454 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,119 The source does present the counter argument, right, it does, and. 455 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: It's important that we cover it during the discussion. They 456 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,720 do an on the spot search with an AI tool 457 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:46,119 Perplexity to find a mundane, innocent explanation for this. 458 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: Purchase, and they find one. The reverse osmosis theory correct. 459 00:20:52,039 --> 00:20:56,079 Speaker 2: The island Little Saint James needed a source of fresh water, so, 460 00:20:56,279 --> 00:20:59,480 like many remote islands, it had a reverse osmosis desalination 461 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,119 plant to convert seawater into drinking water. 462 00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: And the search result says that sulfuric acid is commonly 463 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:06,200 used in these plants. 464 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it's used for pH adjustment and to clean the 465 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,880 filtration membranes to stop them from getting clogged up with 466 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,559 mineral scale. 467 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so on the face of it, that sounds perfectly reasonable. 468 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,480 He lives on an island, he needs water, the water 469 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,480 plant needs chemicals, case clothes, right, nothing to see here. 470 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: Well, not so fast. The source doesn't just leave it 471 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,799 there they dig a little deeper. First, there's a small 472 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,319 technical rebuttal that using such a strong acid can actually 473 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,920 be bad for the membranes if you're not careful, But 474 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,880 that's a minor point. 475 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: The real issue isn't the chemistry. It's the human behavior. 476 00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:38,359 It's the smell test. 477 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: The smell test, Yeah, exactly. This is where you have 478 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,960 to apply common sense. So let's put ourselves in his 479 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:48,640 shoes for a moment. You are a billionaire, You have 480 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,720 an army of staff, you have engineers whose entire job 481 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,119 is to run your water plant. 482 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:57,079 Speaker 1: Right, and you have just been indicted on federal charges 483 00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:59,440 that could put you in prison for rest of your life. 484 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,839 Your world is collapsing. 485 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,079 Speaker 2: What is on your mind? Are you thinking about lawyers 486 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,160 plea bargains, hiding assets, destroying evidence, or are you personally 487 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,960 worried about the pH balance in the desalination plant. 488 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you frame it like that, it seems absurd. 489 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,079 Oh my god, I'm facing life in prison. But first 490 00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:21,599 I must make sure the water filtration membranes are properly maintained. 491 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:23,599 Get me three hundred gallons of acid. 492 00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:25,799 Speaker 2: Step the maintenance of that plant would be on a 493 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,519 routine schedule. The engineer on the island would say, hey, boss, 494 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:31,000 were low on acid time for the quarterly order. It 495 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,039 wouldn't be an emergency purchase initiated by the owner himself 496 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:35,519 the day after his indictment. 497 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: So the timing is the whole story. 498 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: The timing is everything. As the source says, if it 499 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,839 quacks like a duck. The juxtaposition of the indictment and 500 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,640 the purchase order is what makes it so deeply. 501 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: Suspicious, and it ties right back into that movie plot 502 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,359 Avery mentioned at the beginning, the acid and the drums. 503 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,079 It's like life is imitating the horrific art. 504 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: Or the art was revealing the horrific life all along. 505 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,519 And the water treatment story it's the perfect cover. It's plausible, 506 00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:07,119 it's deniable. It's a mundane explanation for a potentially monstrous reality. 507 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: So we have the means, the acid, we have the 508 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,359 coded communication, we have the motive, which is the indictment. 509 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:14,880 But the source goes even further. It's not just about 510 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,839 covering up crimes. It's about a belief system. This is 511 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,799 the Luciferian part of the theory. 512 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: This is where we leave the realm of criminal forensics 513 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,680 and enter the territory of ye. Well, theology almost the 514 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,440 why why would people do these things? Why the elaborate rituals, 515 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,079 the codes, and the source is incredibly blunt about what 516 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,319 they believe. The answer is they believe they're eating babies. 517 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: It's such a shocking sentence to say it sounds like 518 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,920 something from a medieval witch trial. 519 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: It does. It sounds like a blood libel. But the 520 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,839 source insists this isn't a metaphor. It's not about you know, 521 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,680 the leader praying on the youth. They claim, it's meant literally. 522 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,640 Avery talks about specific allegations he's heard coming out of 523 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,079 the music industry in Los Angeles. 524 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: He mentions a high level female musician right. He's very 525 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,160 careful not to name names. 526 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,079 Speaker 2: He says, I don't want to be dead either, But 527 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,400 he claims that this person is performing daily sacrifices, killing chickens. 528 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Every single day in a closet in her home in 529 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,759 Los Angeles. 530 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: It's a bizarre and disturbing image, but it connects directly 531 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,759 back to that ancient concept of Moloch worship, the one 532 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,799 from the Colbert skit. The argument is that this isn't 533 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,200 something new. This is an ancient, dark spiritual practice that 534 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:29,000 has survived in secret among the ultra elite. 535 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,279 Speaker 1: And they believe it gives them something power, fame. 536 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: That's the implication that blood sacrifice is a transaction, a 537 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,519 way to gain worldly power. 538 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,799 Speaker 1: It just paints this picture of two completely separate realities 539 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:44,000 existing on the same planet. There's our world, where we 540 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,200 worry about bills and traffic, and then there's this shadow 541 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,200 world where powerful people are allegedly sacrificing animals in their 542 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,640 closets to gain favor with ancient gods. 543 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:57,319 Speaker 2: And the sources theory is that the veil between those 544 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:01,279 two worlds is maintained by this spell, a spell cast 545 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,000 by those eighty five hundred people he. 546 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: Mentioned, the ones running the show. 547 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: Their job, he argues, is to keep the rest of us, 548 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,079 the zombies at the airport, so distracted by the movies. 549 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,920 This gets the political drama that we never stop and 550 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,559 look at the actual evidence. We never read the purchase orders, 551 00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:18,160 We never connect the dots and the. 552 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: Emails, because if we did, if we all stopped laughing 553 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,039 at the Moloch joke and started asking questions about the 554 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:25,720 three hundred gallons of acid, the. 555 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: Spell would break. The whole illusion would just collapse. 556 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: The Source basically concludes that our entire reality is manufactured. 557 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,160 It's an illusion. And the guy at the Atlanta airport 558 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:37,039 wasn't crazy. He was just the first one in the 559 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:38,640 audience to realize the movie was real. 560 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: He saw the puppet strings. 561 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: And that that brings us back to the most terrifying 562 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,039 part of the vampire rule, because if we know this, 563 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,759 if you the listener, hear this conversation where you go 564 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:53,200 and watch that clip and you still do nothing, then you've. 565 00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,799 Speaker 2: Just invited them in. You've seen the evidence, you've heard 566 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:58,359 the testimony, and you've made a conscious choice to stain 567 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,279 your seat and keep watching the show. You've chosen the illusion. 568 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that really puts the onus on us, doesn't 569 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:05,680 it on the audience? 570 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:10,039 Speaker 2: It completely removes the comfort of ignorance. Once you look 571 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,920 at the data points, the strange phrasing in the emails, 572 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,680 the timing of the acid purchase. You have to make 573 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,960 a choice. And there are two paths. 574 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,039 Speaker 1: What are they? 575 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: Path One is the mundane explanation. It's just weird billionaire 576 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,200 code for parties, and the acid was for the water plant. 577 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,440 It's a series of unfortunate coincidences that is a perfectly 578 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,240 logical path. It is the path of Mundus Vultachippi. 579 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,599 Speaker 1: Okay, And what's path two? 580 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,799 Speaker 2: Path two is that you accept the pattern is not 581 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:40,319 a coincidence, and if the pattern is real, then the 582 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,440 implications are more horrific than we can possibly imagine. It 583 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,440 means that the people we dismiss as conspiracy theorists aren't 584 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,920 just seeing shapes in the clouds. They're correctly identifying and 585 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:52,960 approaching storm. 586 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,599 Speaker 1: It's the difference between peridolia, your brain tricking you into 587 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,359 seeing a face on mars at an actual detective solving 588 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,079 a crime. 589 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 2: Yes, yeh. And the source argues that the powerful are 590 00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:08,640 banking on us dismissing it all as periodolia. They rely 591 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,680 on us to say, oh, that's just a coincidence, that's 592 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,519 just a sick joke, that's just routine industrial maintenance. 593 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: Because we want to believe the water treatment story. Of 594 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,839 course we do. The alternative is that we live in 595 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,119 a world run by a death cult. And I would 596 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,279 much rather live in the water treatment world. The property 597 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,279 values are better. 598 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: Most people would. That is the fundamental mechanism of the spell. 599 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:27,400 It works because we want it to. 600 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: This has been a lot we've gone from Bram Stoker's Dracula, 601 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,359 to airport meltdowns, to chemical supply chains. 602 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: It is a single thread that once you pull it, 603 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,279 the entire fabric of what you thought was reality just 604 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,079 comes apart. 605 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 1: So as we start to wrap this up, this episode 606 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,359 of thrilling Threads, I want to leave everyone with one 607 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,559 final thought from the source. The central idea is that 608 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920 they have to tell us what they're doing to make 609 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,039 us complicit. That's the engine of this whole thing. So 610 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,359 if you accept that premise, even for a moment, okay, 611 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:02,720 then you have to look around. Look at the movies 612 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,440 being released this year, look at the comedy skits on 613 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,960 TV tonight, look at the biggest music videos on the planet, 614 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,400 and you have to. 615 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: Ask yourself a different question. Yeah, you have to ask 616 00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,039 is this just entertainment or am I being briefed on 617 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:16,240 the next phase of the plan? 618 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: Is this just a harmless joke or is it a 619 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,559 confession hidden in clain sight? 620 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,279 Speaker 2: It changes everything. You stop being a passive member of 621 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,680 the audience and you become a forensic analyst. 622 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,839 Speaker 1: You can't unsee it once you start looking for it, 623 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,519 And that is a question I want to leave with you. 624 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,920 The person listening right Now, when you look at these anomalies, 625 00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:38,119 the pizza emails, the acid purchase, what do you see. 626 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,960 Do you see the mundane explanation, Do you see the 627 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,319 perfectly reasonable water treatment plant? Or do you feel that 628 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,200 Luciferian spell at work. Are you one of the zombies 629 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,319 at the airport or are you the one who's screaming. 630 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: It's a fundamental question of where you draw your personal 631 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,200 line between random coincidence and deliberate conspiracy. 632 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,799 Speaker 1: We genuinely want to know what you think. Drop a comment, 633 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,799 tell us your take on the great debate, team water 634 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,119 treatment or team acid bath. I know it's a grim choice, 635 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920 but that's the nature of pulling on these particular threads. 636 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,359 Speaker 2: True inquiry requires you to look at the ugly possibilities, 637 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,559 not just the comfortable ones. 638 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for taking this very strange, very dark 639 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,160 journey with us. This has been thrilling. 640 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: Threads. Keep your eyes open out there. 641 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: And keep pulling the string. We'll see you next time.