WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:04.000 Well whiskey coming take. 2 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:15.439 Don't From Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:20.399 dot com. This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour with 4 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:26.120 your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and power Lines International 5 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.359 Woman of Mystery Lucretia. 6 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:34.039 Got you gotta giving let that whiskey flat where you're feeling. 7 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:35.359 In love down in Loon. 8 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.359 Good morning everyone. I hate to tell you it's good morning, 9 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:44.240 but I have to tell you why we're not drinking whiskey, 10 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.920 not even Steve, at least as far as I can tell. 11 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:51.200 And it's Steve's fault because even though Steve pretends to 12 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.880 be a major tech guy, because what his internet quit 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.240 on him in the middle of trying to start a 14 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.399 podcast last night. 15 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:00.840 So it's always hardful smart as. 16 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.079 As your fault. My internet was working, even John got 17 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.200 his internet working. 18 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.719 Yeah, I'm in the middle of I'm in the middle 19 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.719 of Indiana. I didn't know they had internet. I thought 20 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:12.680 this was all startling country. 21 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.879 Yeah, I thought it was all They were still using 22 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.159 telephones there. But you know the kind on the wall 23 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.799 with a really long string, the really long windy the 24 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:24.359 house with. 25 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:26.280 But but look at the upside. John got to have 26 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.200 a second new, brand new chicken big Mac, at least 27 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.840 from the photographic evidence I've seen. 28 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.920 So, oh no, this is this is the best gift 29 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:37.640 I've ever had at any kind of academic talk. So 30 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:40.000 I was giving a talk at Notre Dame debating law 31 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:43.640 fair with a very good liberal friend of mine who's 32 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.280 a calmnists at La Times. And afterwards we had a 33 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.959 reception and Phil Murno is our friend who's a director here, 34 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:55.359 surprised me with a big Mac and fries. Oh isn't 35 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.680 that the best gift you ever got? You got like, 36 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:00.920 you know, coffee mugs something. It's a nice time, but 37 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.200 no one's ever done better than a big Mac. So 38 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:05.560 the students are like watching me to see what I 39 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:06.159 would do with it. 40 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.920 So you know I did with it. I hate it, 41 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:09.039 they were. 42 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.280 I was like, you're not gonna let this get cold. 43 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:12.759 I was like, after I bit it, I was like, 44 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:13.960 anybody want seconds? 45 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:14.560 But no. 46 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.639 I thought maybe they'd had a reception because the picture 47 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.000 shows your fries inside of a warmer tray, and I 48 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.240 thought maybe they'd done like a Donald Trump thing and 49 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.639 brought big Max and fries for everybody. But no, it 50 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:29.599 was probably just. 51 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.560 Usually I would have I would have had two big 52 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:38.400 max then. So the funny thing, there's another picture. I'll 53 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.800 send it to the shows where the fries took a 54 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.199 while to eat. So the whole time I spoke, I 55 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:49.280 had a large fry hand to container my hands. 56 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.000 That's an academic You speak your speech. 57 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:55.360 So this is right after, This is right The Neudar 58 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:57.680 Day's really the way they do things. Really, so you 59 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.400 give a talk and then you meet with students and 60 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.240 supporters of the program after for a smaller group setting 61 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.400 when they really ask you what they wanted to ask you. 62 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.319 And we had one We even had one crazy person 63 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:13.840 interrupt the speech because she didn't like that I was 64 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:16.560 saying that someone had said Trump lies, and I say 65 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.159 politicians always lie. 66 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.000 She flipped out. It had to be removed by the police. 67 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:28.439 But this was news apparently only shows. John, you still 68 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:32.560 got it going, you know, I know. I started arguing 69 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:32.840 with her. 70 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:34.879 I was like, did you ever read I was like, 71 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:36.560 Steve Hayward, I was like, did you ever read the 72 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.360 Caro three volume biography of Lindon Johnson? Now there was 73 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:39.840 a liar? 74 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:46.240 Yeah, No, you know, facts and things, John, That's okay, 75 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:47.280 that's crazy. 76 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.759 Yeah, she got really upset and had to be removed 77 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:54.520 by the Notre Dame police. It wasn't like they're not 78 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:57.639 like the Berkeley police. They don't tolerate any kind of you. 79 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:03.800 I was about to say, well, okay. 80 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.080 Okay, well all right, gentlemen, we have a lot to 81 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:06.719 get to this morning. 82 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.199 We're in trouble. John, I'll just say you want. 83 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.599 In trouble because I'm on a roll. I'm on a roll. 84 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.600 But first of all, actually, you know our little gadfly John, 85 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.160 who goes everywhere and talks to everybody all the time 86 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.959 and is the most popular guy even on Outnumbered because 87 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:26.240 he was there like two weeks in a row. Practically 88 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.319 the women love him there and he can't get away 89 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:29.959 from them. 90 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.279 But I know, why did this happen to me when 91 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.800 I was seventeen? It right, it's. 92 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.279 Right, you know, John, You chick magnet was not on 93 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:41.720 my Bengo car to have site. 94 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:44.879 You just don't get it, Steve, you don't get that, 95 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:50.399 okay anyway, So actually, John, the other gadfly, was probably 96 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.879 not nearly as exciting as either Outnumbered Chicks, Fox News 97 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:59.480 Chicks or mc or McDonald's Notre Dame. It was heritage 98 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.839 what Heritage when he went to speak to Heritage or 99 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:07.079 went to a conference at Heritage and learned all about 100 00:05:07.199 --> 00:05:08.360 election fraud. 101 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.519 Well, remember, I mean remind people Lucretia that we ended 102 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.279 last week's episode he was saying, Okay, I'm. 103 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.040 Going to I am the boss. Don't you ever forget. 104 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:24.680 Its Lucretia's getting the seventy year old listeners really excited now. 105 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.560 And all of those men who like strong women that 106 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.959 are going to vote for Kamala right. Anyway, we'll come 107 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:35.600 back to that one. 108 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:36.079 No. 109 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.160 Last week, I wanted to discuss a little bit about 110 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:46.720 what I had barely heard supposedly Republicans were doing, both 111 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.800 at the federal level but most importantly at the state level, 112 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.560 to try to push back on Democratic attempts to shall 113 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.680 we say, tweak the rules a bit or stretch the boundaries. 114 00:05:57.720 --> 00:05:59.720 I'm going to be nice about it. Everybody out there 115 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.040 who's my fan knows what I really mean by that, 116 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:07.439 But I'm trying not to offend John before he starts talking. Anyway, 117 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:15.240 for the first time in really in my lifetime, we 118 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:19.439 are discussing in very serious terms that the difference in 119 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:22.959 this election might be the difference between a fair election 120 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:27.000 and an election where we'll keep it at one side 121 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:28.639 right now, because I have more to say about that, 122 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.279 where one side the Democrats will cheat or do anything 123 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.439 they can to keep Donald Trump from getting into office. 124 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.120 And if you remember one last really quick side note 125 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.360 on that I said last week, they can't afford to 126 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.879 assassinate him now because they'll get Jade Vance, who as 127 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.360 much as they hate Trump, they'd really be sorry if 128 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.879 they got jd Vance instead. In my opinion. Anyway, John, 129 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:50.759 tell us what you talked about at Heritage. 130 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:55.639 It was interesting. It was a conference about election law, 131 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.800 election integrity, and they actually asked me to come talk 132 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.279 about law fair but almost all, I think every other 133 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:06.720 speaker spoke about what to do to prevent what They're 134 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.759 all they're all fans of Lucretia. We should create a 135 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.800 club like fans of Bill, fans of Hillary. They should 136 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:17.160 be friends of Lucretia. And they were convinced that the 137 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:21.240 Democrats had played dirty tricks four years ago. And each 138 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.079 of the speakers got many of them were from the 139 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.199 States or from different national groups, saying what they were 140 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.319 doing this year to make sure that what happened four 141 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:33.240 years ago didn't happen. So we had a small debate 142 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:37.600 about whether they'd actually cheated or they had you know, 143 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.160 as Molly Hemingway says, as Lucretia's point out, that they 144 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.399 just used COVID as an excuse to change the rules 145 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.160 in a way that benefited them, and they took advantage 146 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.879 of it. That was my observation. I thought that they 147 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.360 had changed the rules based on COVID, gotten the courts 148 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:53.959 to approve it or state legislatures to approve it, and 149 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.720 then took full advantage of it, where our side was 150 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.319 just totally taken by surprise. So one thing I came 151 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:04.399 in with this this time the Trump campaign and the 152 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.199 Republican Party in the States is not going to be 153 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:10.480 taken by surprise. They described this very comprehensive effort where 154 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.240 in all of the states, even states where we're gonna 155 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.439 get killed, like California, for example, or New York, where 156 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:21.560 they have teams of lawyers who are ready to challenge 157 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.839 any effort by the Democrats to go in and say, oh, 158 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.519 you have to change your rules. You have to allow 159 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.000 ballots to be counted that weren't signed, or you have 160 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.160 to allow ballots to be counted that weren't sealed. 161 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:31.639 Properly. 162 00:08:32.039 --> 00:08:34.799 So they're gonna, unlike last time, they're gonna be ready 163 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.559 to go to court in every state, and they have 164 00:08:38.279 --> 00:08:40.320 a lot of I mean, it was described to me 165 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.799 a lot of a more systematic campaign of people going 166 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.879 to the polls to make sure there's no shin in 167 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:49.799 against go to the counting centers to say we want 168 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.879 to be able to observe. So I think what happened 169 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.919 last time is the Trump campaign was overly confident. They 170 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.759 thought they were going to win by ten million votes, 171 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:01.399 and so they didn't actually roll out any kind of infrastructure. 172 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.000 So that's why I think what we saw reported was 173 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.080 anecdotal people here, people there, some connect a campaign, a 174 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.039 lot of people not part of a campaign, no collection 175 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.200 of all the data what was going on, and no 176 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:17.559 systematic effort to go to court with good lawyers all 177 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.879 at once to try to stop the Democrats from changing 178 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.440 the rules. So I was actually came away really impressed. 179 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.559 I was like, God, I was telling people, you want 180 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.159 to meet my friend Lucretia. She would be so happy 181 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:30.240 if she were here, she'd be handing out gold and 182 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:31.639 blue ribbons to all of you. 183 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.320 Well, well, let me I want to hear what you 184 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.879 have to say, Steve, I just have an editorial comment 185 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.159 in there, or again, my fans would never forgive me 186 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:42.399 for this. One of the one one thing that you 187 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.320 described I have to take issue with, and that's when 188 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.519 you say they changed the rules and got the courts 189 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:52.480 to agree to it. But remember Trump for Texas versus whichever, 190 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.519 that Supreme Court case that was dismissed for lack of 191 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:57.399 standing where the States brought. 192 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:00.840 Texas versus pennsylvaniaas suspensilvania. 193 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:05.960 Thank you that that they were denied for lack of standing. 194 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.000 But remember the argument was a very legitimate argument, which 195 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.480 is that the United States Constitution says only legislators can change. Basically, 196 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:21.960 I'm ad libbing forgive me because it right. And so 197 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.320 the fact that the Supreme Court did not issue a 198 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.000 decision based on the merits, but on standing. But of 199 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.879 course you know that doesn't matter when it gets out 200 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:32.559 in the in the in the media and the public. 201 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.720 But there really was a legitimate argument that many of 202 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:40.080 these changes that were supposedly done because of COVID were 203 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:45.080 in fact violations of the Constitution, which by definition makes 204 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.759 them unlawful. The rules, I get it. 205 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:51.639 But can I throw an example of something I learned 206 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.240 about which has gotten almost no tension, is that you 207 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.320 might remember last time the Pennsylvania what my home state, 208 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.440 was the big battleground, and it had to do if 209 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:06.399 you remember, with more the ballots signed where they properly signed, 210 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:10.080 where they properly dained right, and properly dated. And so 211 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:13.320 the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said, well, there's something in our 212 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.840 constitution that says you have to have free and fair elections. 213 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.440 So because of the pressures of COVID, it would be 214 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.960 unfair to not count these ballots because everything else seems 215 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.960 to be correct. And you might remember that there were 216 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:29.080 like ten thousand ballots that fit this category, and Justice 217 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.960 Alito issued an injunction saying don't count those votes. Yet 218 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.919 it didn't matter then because Biden's margin there was over 219 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.320 one hundred thousand votes. But at this Heritage conference, so 220 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:42.919 there's an example. These lawyers went to court early. They've 221 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.200 already gone to court to demand that that not happened again, 222 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:49.440 and they actually won. So they won at the intermediate 223 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:54.519 Pennsylvania Appeals Court, and they've won a preliminary motion at 224 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.159 the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to say this time you have 225 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:59.639 to sign the ballots. That's like a big deal like that, 226 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.840 Like if they had done that four years ago, they 227 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:04.240 had made a lot of progress. So that's an example 228 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.399 of how, you know, conservatives are sort of acting preemptively 229 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:12.039 rather than waiting for the Democrats to go first. And 230 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.799 they've been describing, you know, who the Democrat lawyers are 231 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.639 and what they've been up to, so they're really on 232 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:17.840 top of the ball this time. 233 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.960 Yeah, and that ought. I mean, I know, Lucretia, you 234 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:22.440 want to bring up the sinister market Ellias at some point, 235 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.600 but I'll just make the observation here that, you know, 236 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.279 John mentioned that the Trump campaign was kind of caught 237 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:31.360 flat footed four years ago and lost a lot of 238 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.080 cases they shouldn't have lost. I agree with you on that. 239 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.559 But if you think back to the two thousand election 240 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.799 in Florida and John, maybe you can add some details 241 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:41.799 to this, because you might have been part of that story. 242 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.320 I don't know, But what happened was is that every 243 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.120 Republican lawyer in the country who knew something about election 244 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.960 law was in Florida practically by noon the next day, 245 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:53.799 I mean overnight. James Baker, who was the person that 246 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.600 the Bushes brought in to run their drill. They brought 247 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.240 lawyers down and they were fairly successful at hand to hand. 248 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:01.919 I mean, it took thirty six days, as we know 249 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.639 and all that ness. But that was a case of 250 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.320 where they you know, they found and assembled a team 251 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.360 really fast and flooded the zone. I'd like to think, 252 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.080 and it sounds John like I'm right in thinking this, 253 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.080 that the Republicans have got teams in place ready to 254 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:20.000 flood the zone if there's any funny business in Wisconsin 255 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:23.000 or Michigan, or Pennsylvania and or Arizona and other places. 256 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.879 By the way, did you go to Florida in two thousand, John, 257 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:26.279 or you? 258 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:32.240 I did so to one public and one I guess 259 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.440 I could talk about it now that wasn't really public then, 260 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.360 but I think has known now if you were really 261 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.240 watching things. So I testified before the Florida legislature, ah, 262 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.440 and I urged the theory that Lucretia just urged. Although 263 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.759 I didn't know Lucretia then, even then she was pulling 264 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.320 my strings, and. 265 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:51.799 I said from Germany, no less. 266 00:13:53.360 --> 00:14:00.480 I always knew Lucretia worked for the intelligence services. She 267 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:06.480 just got busted. She got busted, so I actually went 268 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.799 down to the Florida Legislature and testified that if the 269 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:14.639 disorder had kept going on, that the Florida Legislature could 270 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:18.559 constitutionally take the power back and allocate the electoral votes, 271 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.679 because otherwise Florida would have no electoral votes and that 272 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.399 would actually violate federal law. Then this is the interesting thing. 273 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.559 About a week later, during the recount, I got asked 274 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:33.159 to come see Jeb Bush, who was the governor, right, 275 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:36.919 and to basically say, well, if the Florida Legislature doesn't 276 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.679 do its constitutional duty, then the governor should at least 277 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:42.840 try to send in some electoral votes for the state 278 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.799 of Florida, because otherwise you won't be counted and this 279 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.320 would be an issue of Florida constitutional law. Guess who 280 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:53.120 I So the campaign sent somebody to yeah along with 281 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:54.919 me because I wasn't working. I wasn't working for the 282 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.480 campaign at the time. I was just an outside commentator. 283 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:01.000 So I went and then get who went with Lucretia. 284 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:02.879 Guess who the Republican Party sent with me? 285 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:04.360 I have no idea. 286 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:06.799 It was John Roberts. 287 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:09.639 I never would have guessed that. 288 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.919 Never, And let me tell you, during the whole meeting. 289 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:15.919 He didn't say a single word, not a single thing, 290 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:16.600 just let. 291 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.080 You drop one of the smartest things he's probably ever done. 292 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.879 That's awesome. Yeah, But with you guys, I was kind 293 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:29.200 of out of the loop on that one because I 294 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.159 really was living in Germany at the time and only 295 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.600 watching it on air Force Network News, you know, three 296 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.639 in the morning, trying to keep up with things as 297 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:42.000 they were happening. But anyway, anyway, that's a great story. 298 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:46.240 John still remember like we met at them. I still 299 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.799 remember like we met at some I didn't know this, 300 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.399 but Florida is covered with pancake houses, or at least 301 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.639 it was back you know, in two thousand, So I 302 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:59.279 remember meeting a pancake a pancake house. Like then, there's 303 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.559 not a chain there like Little Mabel's pancake House. Fred's 304 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.240 pink all over the place. So we met some pancake 305 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:09.639 house right near the governor's office, and I talked with 306 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.679 him about you know, this theory about the article to 307 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.720 and taking the electoral votes and voting them for the state. 308 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.159 Seems to be nodding his head into agreement, you know. 309 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.440 John Rbert was just you know, a Pellot lawyer Washington, 310 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:22.720 at the time I knew who he was. He was 311 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.039 a great advocatory then, so I thought he was all 312 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.120 on board. You know, I felt like I who knew 313 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:30.639 I had the same feeling. I guess Thomas and Alito do. Now. 314 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:32.919 I thought he was all on board, be marching right 315 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.440 with me. We go to the meeting, not a peep, 316 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:36.320 not a peep. 317 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.679 But you know, on this election law business, Roberts has 318 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.080 always been good all the way through. 319 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:46.759 So he wrote, he wrote, Shelby County, which is the 320 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.879 biggest the rejection of the liberal theory of voting rights 321 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:50.720 in our lifetime. 322 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:51.919 Well, he's the one. 323 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.399 Who pulled over Cavanaugh and Amy Cooney Barrett on the 324 00:16:55.399 --> 00:17:01.679 whole Texas versus Pennsylvania standing issue. He didn't, I get it. 325 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:07.200 He didn't want the onus to fall on the Supreme 326 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.240 Court for interfering in the election. Again, after having been 327 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:15.119 there with John and watching how how incredibly acrimonious it 328 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:18.519 all was, it probably scarred him for life listening to 329 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:23.480 John's powerful and passionate please And so when it came 330 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.519 time to having to make an important decision like Texas 331 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:31.119 versus Pennsylvania, he just punted. That's my opinion. About it. 332 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.519 But now I recognize whose fault that is. It's John's 333 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.480 fault for just outfinding him so much. 334 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:41.920 Ah, it's always our fault. I take full blame. I 335 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.720 take full blame. I'm like Steve. I've learned to take 336 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.039 full blame when Lucretia accuses me of something. 337 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.720 I never accuse you guys of anything. Uh So I 338 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.519 have an interesting deeper discussion than to take you guys 339 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.359 into I hope that you'll indulge me on this. And 340 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.559 so I remember again out of the country for some 341 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.559 time after the two thousand election, actually, so a little 342 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.039 bit less on getting the pulse of how that all, 343 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.039 how that all came about or came down, I guess 344 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.240 is the best way to put it. You know. I 345 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.039 read stuff about people who are still still to this 346 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.640 day and shock about it and sad and all those 347 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:27.440 other things. But what I would my impression of it 348 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:30.400 is that as many people who thought it was a 349 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.480 stolen election, you know, people went to Halloween parties with 350 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.319 hanging chads as hanging chads and things like that, it 351 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:40.920 didn't seem to tear the country apart in quite the 352 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.480 same way that the twenty twenty election did. Now, you 353 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:47.039 can tell me I'm wrong, but and I'll let you do. 354 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.160 So that's a sub point to my larger pipe. Go ahead, Steve, 355 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.960 I can see you picking your lips. 356 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.920 Yeah. Actually, I think it was a ratchet and liberal 357 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.920 Democratic Party derangement. I mean I think they didn't get 358 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.039 over it, and they still think it was told. Actually, 359 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.839 there's the broader thesis here. If you look closely, Democrats 360 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.759 think that every Republican president since Nixon was illegitimate, and 361 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.440 they have always cheating theories. You know, Nixon interfered with 362 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:16.039 the Vietnam talks, and you know Reagan in nineteen eighty 363 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.359 got the Iranians to hold the hostage and stuff that 364 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.720 there's no evidence for it and in fact falls apart 365 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:23.119 on any closer look, right, And then of course Bush 366 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.119 in two thousand stealing the election of Florida. You know, 367 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.039 something that is always forgotten is that there were I 368 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.920 think at least two consortiums of news organizations, you know 369 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:34.759 USA Today, New York Times. They went and did their 370 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.160 own full recount of the state, and they did it 371 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.079 under every standard, you know, hanging chads, dimple chads, all 372 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:43.680 the rest, and Bush won every single time, sometimes by 373 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.720 an even wider margin. I mean, it was what finally 374 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.920 six hundred and thirty six votes. But the point is 375 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.279 that all disappeared down a memory hole that never got 376 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.079 big headlines. You can imagine what would happen if the 377 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:57.079 media had found the other results. We'd have never heard 378 00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:59.480 the end of it. But Democrats are dug in on that, 379 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.000 and I do think that that's what you know Bush 380 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.480 de arrangement syndrome. We called it twenty years ago, right. 381 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:09.119 Yeah, but no, But okay, so twenty is worse. 382 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.440 I agree with your observation. At twenty twenties, that's so 383 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:11.960 much worse. 384 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:16.200 I think it's qualitatively, qualitatively worse, although I would probably 385 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.400 agree with you with the idea that that began Trump 386 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:22.680 de arrangement syndrome. The difference, of course, is that Bush 387 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.079 it wasn't really that much of an existential threat to 388 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.680 the Democratic Party because he really may as well have 389 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:31.960 been a Democrat when it all came down. But my 390 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.000 real anyway, wasn't there. 391 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.599 To the bushwisi as I call that world. 392 00:20:37.599 --> 00:20:40.319 But that's not the word I used, as you call either. 393 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:43.799 John. I object I objected, least in the grounds of 394 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.880 good taste. Just being a Bush administration. 395 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.759 Right, I know, but but you were. You were the 396 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:58.480 shining star of the Bush Administration's. 397 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.319 Getting worse and worse, and. 398 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.000 Not really not trying to make fun of George W. Bush. 399 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.559 What I'm trying to say is I was doing a 400 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:05.200 little bit of research for a piece I'm trying to 401 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:12.759