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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Valley coming at you with the tail end

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of our' look ahead series. We're on to the Philadelphia

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seventy six Ers, which means I have the distinct pleasure

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to be joined by a first time guest. Covers this

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team fantastically, I might add for phl y Sports, the

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links to their social handles will be in the podcast

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and YouTube description.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to trip over the name more than

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I probably already will.

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Speaker 2: You can also find his Twitter handle in the podcast

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and YouTube description description. Mister Kyle Neubeck, thank you so

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much for joining me.

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Speaker 1: How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. I thankfully, unlike the Sixers, made it

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through the preseason unscathed, so I'm knock on wood. I

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guess there's one more game tomorrow night as we're talking

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here on Thursday. But doing good. I'm ready for another

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season where inevitably it will end in the second round,

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but we'll pretend it won't for another six months or so.

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Speaker 2: I would guess That's where we have to start. Is

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why is the Paul Georgia just audition a bust already?

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Speaker 1: Kyle?

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Speaker 2: Seems like that might be a censor to flow around

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Sixers social media.

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Speaker 3: We have some some people who have been in our

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chat on our show essentially declaring victory that they never

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should have signed this guy. Look, it's already happened because

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of it, you know, a very minor preseason injury, which

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is it's very I guess it's very online fandom in general,

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but definitely very Philadelphia to be declaring a victor or

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a loser in mid October. But I'm a little more

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optimistic on Paul George, as I'm sure we'll get into

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over the course of this show.

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Speaker 2: There does seem to be a type of fandom, Like

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there's so many different subsets, but there's one more. I

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think people just want to be right. And so if

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your initial impression was the Sixer shouldn't sign Paul George,

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this is validation for that that he's going to miss

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a week or two or whatever it ends up being.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, As someone who loves being right himself,

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I understand the inclination to say, hey, look at me.

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This is I was first on this type of thing,

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but normally I would wait until at least the games

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start to matter, and you know, if there was a

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obviously we don't. We're not knock on wood, We're not

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rooting for any injuries, let alone serious injuries. But I

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would say wait until Paul actually misses a meaningful game

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before anyone has some strong takes on it.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I wanted to start, is what's the

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level of concern? And I guess we should just start

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with Paul George and you already kind of said that.

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It doesn't seem like there should be a you know,

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five alarm fire here. There's no real concern about this

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is like maybe if this was the playoffs, things would

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be a little bit more expedited. This is more you

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viewed as preseason precaution than anything else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they said when they were the six

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Ers released their statement, they'd give an update in a week,

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and you know, see where they're at. So they've at

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least left the door open on him playing Opening Night,

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which bone bruises are tricky, right, They can be a

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real lingering injury. There's levels of severity to it. And

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I think the fact that they haven't said, hey, he's

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not playing Night one, or he's not playing Opening week

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or whatever, like pushing it out weeks at a time.

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I think that suggests that it's a pretty minor one,

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and they escaped about as well as they could given

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how gnarly it kind of looked in the moment. But look,

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he's a thirty four year old, where I'm sure he's

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not healing as quickly anymore. I'm exactly the same age

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as Paul, so I can say that without looking down

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on him.

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Speaker 2: For that five year old who some people think Paul

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George is thirty five. That seems to be a sentiment

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that's flowing around too.

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Speaker 1: I can't confirmed.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten some He's thirty six ones this summer. So

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it's like every every time something bad happens, he's thirty

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eight years old.

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Speaker 1: Time He's going to be forty seven by the end

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of the season.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy. But yeah, so I would say minimal concern

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on him and Embeed is the interesting one, I think, right,

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and so like that, you know that never dissipates. It's

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always we could go four straight months of he as

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immaculate health. He plays every game, and everyone always feels

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like the trap door is in front of you somewhere.

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say the fan base is more freaked out about him

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because I think afterward seeing him at the Olympics this

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summer and had some moments but certainly did not look

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his best physically during that run, and then not knowing

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that he's not playing a lot of five on five,

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if at all, for most of the preseason. He's not

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playing in any of their games. There's like, oh, are

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the Sixers hiding something sort of deal. But Nick Nurse

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Monday or sometime earlier this week that you know he's

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on schedule for what they're doing and how they're managing him.

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he had some kind of stepback, we don't know about.

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I think this is just kind of the new normal

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for Joel. I've talked with people around the team who

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they refer to him kind of like the quarterback and

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training camp, or they put the red jersey on him

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and say like, nobody's touching this guy. And then we'll wait.

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Everybody goes to sleep and we'll wake up day one

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of the season, and that's when it all starts, But yeah,

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I mean concern for sure, because if they're not healthy,

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nothing matters, especially in Joel's case. But it does seem

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like it's going to be a bit of a paradigm

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shift with how they manage him throughout the season.

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Speaker 2: And for me, I think that's where I don't know

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if it's concerned, But the difficulty reconciling it all comes

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in is that it feels like just a lot is

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being thrown at us at once. That he's probably gonna

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still wear a knee brace, he's not going to play

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back to backs. He lost a bunch of weight twenty

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plus pounds or whatever it is. How does that factor

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and does it make him better leaner? Does it impact

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his physicality at all? And just like the Olympics I

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tossed that out of just like there's a Joellemban ramp up.

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back from injury. So that didn't bother me too much.

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guess realities we could have assumed, but they also feel

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new where it was like, Okay, he didn't like the

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knee brace, if he's going to continue wearing that, what

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does it mean?

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Speaker 1: And so does that like just.

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Speaker 2: Sort of having all this new or updated information or

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I guess now is that, oh, this is just kind

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of the new reality. Do you think that plays a

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role in kind of the doomsday perception.

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Speaker 3: Of it all? Absolutely? And you know the thing with

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the brace is I'm interested to see how much carries

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over from I think, and this is probably true of

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most guys who would have to wear a brace. His

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mobility has looked more limited when he's worn a brace,

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whether that's in the Olympics and the last season other

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times when he's been coming back from this stuff. But

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you also have to consider he in most cases where

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he's wearing the brace has been rusty or hasn't played

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for a while, and it's like, so the conditioning base

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is not there. And I saw him interested this year

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to see is it just that he cannot be as

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mobile that he wants or needs to be wearing a

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brace period or has it just been two things happening

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at once that it has compounded that And I think

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he has probably accepted Look like I've had repeated injuries,

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I can't really be taking extreme risk or any more

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than the minimal risk with my knee and my lower extremities.

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I think he's kind of accepted at this point, like

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I'll have to adapt to it, and maybe I think

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it'll be less on the defensive end. Then maybe we

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won't see as many Euro steps and some of the

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more ridiculous stuff that he does offensively. But the tough

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part is, right now, we just haven't seen him right, Like,

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it's only all we've seen him do in the preseason

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is basically shooting drills after practices. So there is a

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little bit of hugs, right, Yeah, well, no shooting drills

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in the ugs. We have seen him in ugs, but

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he's he hasn't had on his new his Sketchers since

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he's now the best bootball face of a shoe that

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I thought only old people were. So that's a that's

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a fun subplot.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, that was a good reminder when he signed the

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deal that they were a brand for me, Like that's

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how far removed I am from Sketchers. I feel like

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I've been asking everyone who comes on what the biggest

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storyline is for this team?

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Speaker 1: Did we just tackle it?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like the East people like, how does

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the Big three fit together? But Joel Embiid is still

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such so critical to what they're doing. Is that the answer?

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of tracking most closely this year for this team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So it is the health, right, because if they

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don't get to mid April early May with both Joel

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and PG healthy, then kind of we could just throw

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it out right now, right, Like, I think both of

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us are pretty high on Tyrese Maxi in the league landscape.

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But if you're asking him to take Andre Drummond and

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Kelly Ubra and Caleb Martin past the second round, like

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that's just that's not a reasonable ask for anyone. So

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the health is number one. But I do think I

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think the offshoots of how they manage Joelle are probably

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the most fascinating thing to me, right, Like you can

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split it up into a bunch of different categories. One

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of the ones that is most interesting to me is like,

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what are the consequences on the court. For one, you're

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taking all the back to backs off the table allegedly,

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so that's fifteen games off the top. No Joel, they've

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said they'll probably build some other minimal rest in at

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some point for him. Let's call that another five to

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ten games, so you're in the lower sixties. Let's say

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he even if he gets through with like fairly clean

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bill health, he misses another five to ten. So you're

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talking about, you know, mid fifties, maybe mid to high

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fifties in a fair not best case scenario, but a

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very good scenario. And with Maxy ascending and Paul George

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is probably going to get some time off himself. You know,

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what is the identity of this team? And does Maxi

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become the guy for long stretches of the season, and

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more importantly to me, when you get to the playoffs,

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what is your identity? Because I think we see every

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year most of the teams that are playoff resilient that

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make it to you know, conference finals finals have had

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the supporting cast and the stars mostly if not all

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healthy the whole year. They figure out that they run

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through their plays and their stuff and they're not even

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thinking anymore, right, it's just react. Like if it's Jokich,

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it's he knows this guy will make this cut at

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this time, he doesn't have to look on the pass.

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Anthony Edwards is running a pick and roll. He knows

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what his reeds are where and you just go down

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the list like Luca, same thing last year. He's got

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complete command of that offense. And it's just hard when

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Joel has said, like Tyresee is going to be the

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guy this year and I'm going to help him with that,

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and it's like it's easy to say that, and I

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believe that he trusts him and wants to empower him

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in that way. But once Joel is on the floor,

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it's like the guy's getting the ball and the offense

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is running through him. And so how do you balance

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that idea of like, he's the guy when he's available,

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but he's also not going to be available for let's

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call it, twenty five to thirty five percent of the

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season pretty much guaranteed. And is that a way to

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win at a high level in the playoffs. I don't know.

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absolute Apex Kawhi and they had a ton of high level,

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intelligent role players. I mean even they got Marc Gasol

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at the deadline. He was you know, high basketball IQ.

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Kyle Lowry, high basketball IQ. Danny Green has won in

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a million places, Like it's not easy to replicate that

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and they were also fortunate in the finals that the

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Warriors fell apart as well.

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Speaker 2: Does that come down to Embied making more of an

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adjustment than Maxie at this point, because I think one

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of the things that's impressed me most about Tyrese MAXI

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through the first you know leg of his career, he's

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played so many different types of roles on like, he's

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seen so many different iterations for the Sixers, and he's

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only going into year five that we know that he

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can adjust and shape shift kind of on a game basis,

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a lineup basis, and so like what is the challenge then,

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for like, is there a way for Joel Embiid to

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be Again He's going to be central to the offense,

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but like, what is the path to him being more

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offensive compliment for stretches or coming in maybe not disrupting

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some of the other elements that the Sixers have going

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on without him.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the good news is that Tyresee is

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the most hand in glove fit of a star that

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he's ever played with offensively, Like, if you go back

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through you know, the start of Joel's career, he's succeeded

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with guys that are high level shooters that can shoot

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on the move, that are successful out of these like

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drible handoff looks right, So go back to JJ Reddick,

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he was great at it. Seth Curry, who has has

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not always had a home everywhere, he's been a great shooter,

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but kind of like Journeyman a little bit. He was

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awesome in Philly in part because Joel created space for

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him and they figured out that two man game. Well,

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MAXI no disrespect to those two, a far more advanced

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player in a ton of different ways, way more dangerous

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off the dribble. And though Joel and ty Resee have

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figured out, you know, all the nuances of the two

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man game out of those handoffs and just Tyrese using

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his big body as a screener, Tyree's turning the corner

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and making the reads. Are they trapping? Are they you know, dropping? Whatever?

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And I think the most important thing is Joel trusts

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Tyrese just blindly, right, I guess not blindly because incredible worker,

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like the high character guy, has put the results on

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paper every single year gets better, gets better, gets better.

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what was a game five in the Garden where Maxie

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went for like forty seven. That was a game where

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Joel struggled for a lot of that game, and there

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was a very clear point in the fourth quarter where

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Maxy was like, it's my time, like I'm playing better,

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and Joelle happily was just like gave him the runway

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and said it's your show. Do that. And we saw

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that throughout last season, at least when Joel was healthy,

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So I think he wants to do whatever is it's

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going to take to win. There will certainly be moments

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where Joel thinks, like I have the matchup, I'm the guy, whatever.

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But I do think they are so tight, both on

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and off the floor, that it should help make that

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process of figuring out, you know, whose night is it,

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who shot is it? All that easier than it probably

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would be Otherwise.

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Speaker 2: I won't place limits anymore on what Tyre's max he

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can become. I'm just going to be resign to the

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fact that he's gotten better every year, so his ceiling

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is far higher than I ever thought it would be.

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Speaker 1: Is there like an area though, of.

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Speaker 2: Maybe continued development that you'll be looking at heading into

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this season wondering can he get better here? Polish this

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off or like shure up a weakness or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: So I think he would tell you he wants to

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get better defensively, and a lot of his work this

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summer was getting stronger, Like if you look at him

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right now, he's a lot bigger than he was even

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last year. What I want to see are the more

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advanced passing reads right like the skip pass out of

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the pick and roll. I talked to Nick Nurse some

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in the Bahamas and training camp about this, and he's

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not necessarily concerned with like any one specific read, but

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he wants it to be where if Tyree is in

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a pick and roll as the ball handler, he sees

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all four reads at any given time, and it's like

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I can pick my poison with where I'm going with

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the ball. And so I think I want to see

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him put more pressure on teams as a passer where

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look they're shooting is probably not as good as you

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would like it to be. They have guys who like

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Caleb Martin, for example, very average regular season shooter, and

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then is like Ray Allen in the playoffs apparently, so

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you're going to have to get generate open looks for

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these guys because I think They're not the type of

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team that's going to have a lot of like, oh,

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he's a high level, contested shooter, right, so you have

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to pass these guys into open or to made threes

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to some extent. So that's kind of what I'm looking for.

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But I'm with you. I mean, every time I think

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he's plateaued or he can't do this, he comes back

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and it's like something news there. I actually think I

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would keep an eye on his mid range shooting this

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year because, oh my god, he has. He has worked

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on it in the offseason and he's busted it out

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some in the preseason. And Drew Hanlin, who is Embiid's

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guy and now one of Maxi's guys, has been here

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this week working on some stuff with him from there.

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So we'll see if that bears fruit this season.

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Speaker 2: If he becomes someone that can kind of like see

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everything in the half court against that defense is independent

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of Joelle Embid being there, that's like top fifteen player

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material at that point based off everything he's already does,

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which is kind of bonkers to consider. But and if

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you had asked me like a year or two, I'll

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be like, no, he's not going to get there and

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now I'm not sure if I see it still based

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on watching.

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Speaker 1: But I'm like it could happen. Like that's just kind

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of where I'm at with Tyrese Maxie's apex.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he came in and he not only

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was not shooting all that well, he just didn't shoot

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that much. And then a year, year and a half

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later he's taking James Harden step back threes and shooting

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you know, forty whatever percent on pretty good volume. Like

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I think one of the craziest things with him is

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not just that he has improved the efficiency. So he

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went from like rookie season, I want to say, like

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twenty percent of his shots or threes, where last year

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it's like forty plus percent of all his attempts are threes,

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and so many I would bet you this is just

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a blind guess. I would bet you he shot as

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many pull up threes as a percentage of his shots

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as he shot like total threes as a rookie, which

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is just crazy to think about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, in just the usage continuing to go up,

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and even kind of look at where he was, you know,

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at first coming into the league, where so many of

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his shots feel like that, well they are, they're coming

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off of sist and then it's like last year almost

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half of his threes went on assisted, Like that's just

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a crazy spot to be at after where he was

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just a few seasons ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think something that you know, dove tailing

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with what we're talking about here, we have heard his

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voice a lot more like I think he is at

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the point now where he had to break through All

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Star season last year, like not quite all NBA, but

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getting closer to that type of territory. And I think

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he now feels like I own part of this team.

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It's not just oh, I'm playing next to Jewel Embiid

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and Ben Simmons and then Joel Embiid and James Harden

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and it's like you're one of the two main guys

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and PG is number three, which you know, pretty good

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situation to be in.

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Speaker 2: I think overall, what is going to be this team's

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actually I want to start here. On the defensive end,

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there's been like this ground spell, maybe not so much lately,

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but after the Paul, like the roster movement settled that

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the Sixers don't have this pinnacle on ball defender, and

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I kind of like well, okay, well, who is supposed

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to be that guy on the roster last year? Like

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you added Paul George and Caleb Martin. Of this, Kellyer

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Bridge Junior can do a bunch of stuff on the ball,

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Kyle Lowry is still pretty frisky.

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Speaker 1: What is good?

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Speaker 2: Like, is there actually any concern there about the defense?

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And then the follow up question that is, like, what's

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going to be this team's I've seen a lot of

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talk about them creating even more chaos on the defensive end,

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But what do you see that Like, what do you

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see is being their identity on that end of the floor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm not really concerned about I mean, you

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correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think there are

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lots of like this guy is a shutdown defender guys

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in the league, right, Like I think we probably.

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Speaker 1: Said of not having like Blue Dort or Herb Jones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or like Drew Holliday or whoever it might be

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that you just put that guy on someone in there

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in jail like that archetype is not super common. So

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I think to answer your question, I think the strength

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of the defense is just going to be They now

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have dwel embiid who's incredible rim protector, has weaknesses as

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like a switch guy in the playoffs, and those are meaningful,

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but they have him for the rim defense all that,

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and now they've surrounded him with three credible playoff wings,

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which they basically have never done. He has never played

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with basically any combination of wings that are like real guys,

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like real playoff players. And so I mean, we've seen

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it in the preseason. Eric Gordon has started a couple

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of games here and we'll see it that ends up

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tracking in the regular season, but it has allowed them

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to Caleb Martin will come in with the bench, and

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so Caleb comes in and is playing like really aggressive

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play in the passing lanes. I think you see at

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all times, even with Andre Drummond out there, they're funneling

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guys toward the middle of the floor and pg's pinching

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over from the wing, Kelly Ubre's pinching over just like

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a lot of arms and hands and getting hands on

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balls like not to read in the preseason results too hard,

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as you and I were talking about before the show started.

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But I think Atlanta the other night, which was like

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close to a real game shot like thirty seven percent

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from the field and just looked like they had no

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prayer to score most of the game. So I don't

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think they're going to surpass like Boston, And I would

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still say Minnesota with Gobert and some of their wing guys,

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they're gonna be up there as well. But I think

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this team absolutely has like top three to five defensive stealing.

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It's it'll be more about, you know, when Joelle's not

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out there, how good are they with you know, drumming

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and maybe Yabuseli playing center minutes, which that's a that's

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a whole different discussion.

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Speaker 2: Do they have enough I'll call it supplementary defensive rebounding?

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They fared okay last year with Joel on the floor.

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They do bring in Drummond, so you have those non

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and be minutes. But like Tobias Harris or everything, he

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wasn't like relative to disposition could grab boards, the Anthony

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Melton relative to position could grab boards. Do they have

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like enough of that secondary glass crassing to end those

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possessions on the defensive end.

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Speaker 3: So that's been probably the number one subject in Philadelphia

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all summer as it relates to the Fixers, is do

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they have enough rebounding. They don't have any power forwards,

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even though power forwards don't exist in high supply anymore. Right,

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it's very much a six to eight wing type of league.

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And our thesis on on our show has been, You're

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going to see, if you know, if Joelle isn't having

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to contest every shot at the rim all the time,

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if you know, Kelly and Paul and Caleb can at

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least like guard the yard, so to speak, if that

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will help free Joel up for you know, better attentiveness,

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better positioning, all that on the glass. Because I mean,

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he puts up good rebounding numbers, and he certainly has

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stretches where he's a very good rebounder. But I think

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people saw in the Olympics rebounding has never been a

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strength of Joel's to the degree is for like Jokich

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and some of these other guys at the top of

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the big man game. So some of it will be

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dependent on Joelle. I think Drummonds, certainly with the backups,

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is going to be like, that's just his job. That's

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mostly what he's here for is to make up for

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all the other issues that they have there. But yeah,

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it's something to watch going into the deadline especially, you know,

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kind of what does that look like and what are

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their upgrades that they probably have to make by February, and.

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Speaker 2: How do you make You know, you were mentioning Embid's

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00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,240
limitations before, but you also mentioned how some of the

478
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:38,119
personnel now that can help him be in position for rebounds.

479
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,079
Speaker 1: How does that kind of impact.

480
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: Though, what they look like with Joelle and being going

481
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,640
up against what feels like an increasing number of teams

482
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,440
who are playing five out where you know, we see

483
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,160
Boston has done it, the Knicks are attempting to do

484
00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:52,200
maybe four point five out, depending on how you feel

485
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,240
about Josh Hart Andduce McBride, And I think you could

486
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,519
probably even make that case that Milwaukee, depending on how

487
00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,319
you feel about Giannish, just because they have brooked there.

488
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:01,440
How do you feel about how this team matches up

489
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,200
against not even know specific opponents, but those types of

490
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,359
offensive models defensively.

491
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,759
Speaker 3: Well, so to your point, I do think it's going

492
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,920
to depend on the specific opponent, right, Like I think

493
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,279
I do not feel good about the Boston one, because

494
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,880
that is a true like you can't leave any of

495
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,160
those guys really at their top. I don't know seven

496
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,640
or eight can all probably shoot at like a credible

497
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,359
enough level that you have to defend them out there.

498
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,319
So what they've done in the past across you know,

499
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,200
multiple coaching staffs and multiple rosters, is if teams try

500
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,279
to spread them out, a lot of times, Joel will

501
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,880
be the roamer and he'll defend you know, whoever the

502
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,920
worst shooter is on the team. So twenty nineteen, they

503
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,039
played Toronto in the playoffs, and that's early Pascal siakam

504
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,720
right where he basically could only shoot corner threes. So

505
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,160
all they did was they had they had Tobias Harris

506
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,519
guard Gasol in the mid to high post, and then

507
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:58,200
Joel's the roamer, and that worked for a lot of

508
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,400
that series. Defensively, they were really really good, and I

509
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,359
think you'll probably see it repeat of that against team

510
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,519
like the Knicks, where you stick a wing on Karl

511
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,720
Anthony Towns. I don't think they're especially concerned about, Hey,

512
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,799
Carl's gonna like post up Caleb Martin or Kelly Ubray

513
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,319
the whole game, and I think they probably just dare

514
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,720
Josh Hart to shoot. I think Milwaukee Joelle has defended

515
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:24,359
Jannis fairly well historically and so they probably stick him

516
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,039
on Giannis and say, whoever is the stretch big, whether

517
00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:30,799
it's poor to slope, whoever it might be, that'll be

518
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,599
a wing type assignment. But it is a fair question

519
00:25:34,839 --> 00:25:38,599
because you know, again, I think one of my if

520
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,599
I have real concerns about Joelle the player, not Joelle

521
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,000
the health question mark in the playoffs, it's like, can

522
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:50,200
you defend five out and defending a switch system at

523
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:54,240
high enough level to go through four rounds and win

524
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,880
four games in those rounds? Like that's it's one thing

525
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,480
to do it. I think he's good on a game

526
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,359
to game play to play type basis, and you can

527
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,920
do it situationally, but once you start asking him. We

528
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,279
saw it in game seven in Boston in twenty two.

529
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,680
Tatum was just you know, waving him over and there

530
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,680
He's crossing Joel up and hitting jumpers over them over

531
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,200
and over again. So that's something to watch for sure.

532
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you talking about that made me think too that

533
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,799
a lot of the times five out. What's special about

534
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:24,759
Boston is all five of those guys can put you

535
00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:28,720
in rotation if they're not taking those threes. And I'm

536
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,400
trying to think of another team in the league that

537
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,079
would come close to mirroring that at Oklahoma City for sure,

538
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,160
but they're not in the same conference. Maybe the Knicks,

539
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,160
but like og and Karl Anthony Towns even are in inaturally,

540
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,960
dudes that are gonna do that. So not that that

541
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,039
nullifies the importance of that question, but the one you

542
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:45,960
were talking, the more I'm thinking about it, like, maybe

543
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,400
this is a problem that's being just a little bit Yeah,

544
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,440
if it runs through Boston, that's certainly, but I'm wondering

545
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,160
if it's a problem that might be a little bit

546
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,279
overblown relative to what some of these five out models

547
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:56,680
actually look like in practice.

548
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think I'm sure. I don't know if

549
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,279
you're fully on the Boston corner, but I mean in

550
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:06,759
the East especially, I think they're very clearly the best

551
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,160
team coming into the year, and someone is going to

552
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,759
have to put together like an incredible regular season to

553
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,599
move me off of that. I think if things break right,

554
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,759
that the Sixers could beat them, But if you're telling

555
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,960
me they have to beat them to get to the finals,

556
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,200
I don't find it particularly likely. I just think that

557
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:30,240
top six Boston has is incredible, and whether they can

558
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,039
keep it together long or medium term I should say

559
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,519
with the second apron all that nonsense. That's another story.

560
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:40,319
But they are set up to I think not easily

561
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,799
when the East again, depending on health, but they are

562
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,559
the clear favorite and deserve to be.

563
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: This kind of steps on the well definitely steps on

564
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,880
the toes of the cookie cutter lightning round rotation question,

565
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,680
I ask, But like, what's going to be the deal

566
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,400
with their starting five? Is it going to be something

567
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359
that's fluid. I initially came into this thinking that Martin

568
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,279
would just be led into there, but now it kind

569
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,000
of seems like that actually won't be the case. How

570
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,960
do you see that shaking out? And what are the

571
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,319
merits to what Nick Nurse might be thinking.

572
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,599
Speaker 3: So a couple of things going on, Like I think Martin,

573
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,359
if I had the guests, will start more games than

574
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,839
he doesn't. But we have seen Eric Gordon's start, and

575
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,880
I think there's the logic behind it is on a

576
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,880
couple fronts, right, So as much shooting as you can

577
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,200
put around Joel Andbiid is always good. And Gordon, for

578
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,680
whatever his weaknesses are at the stage of his career,

579
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,119
not only is a good catch and shoot guy, but

580
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,519
he's like a thirty plus foot catch and shoot guy

581
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:43,039
like comfortable be in a deep shooter and when every

582
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,359
foot or every inch of space for Joel is valuable.

583
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:50,519
That's the sort of thing that's hard to quantify how

584
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:52,960
much he would help on that front. I think the

585
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,720
other thing is at least short term, and I would imagine,

586
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,119
because it's Nick Nurse and they go back a long way,

587
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,079
that Lowry is going to play a pretty important role

588
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:05,519
on this team coming off the bench. That Nurse has

589
00:29:05,559 --> 00:29:09,640
said he doesn't necessarily want Gordon and Lowry spending lots

590
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,319
of time together, and so if Gordon is gonna play,

591
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,920
I think you would just say, well, he's probably gonna start,

592
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,960
and he gets his you know, five to seven minutes

593
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,480
to open the game, Lowry comes in, Caleb comes in,

594
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,480
and Caleb also coming in at that time allows you,

595
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,680
or even if it's Uber, whoever it might be, allows

596
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,559
you to still have that thirdy wing defense, depending how

597
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:36,079
you sub it otherwise. And so it's definitely something to watch.

598
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,400
I think they'll go through several iterations or whatever this

599
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,759
lineup's going to look like, and Nurse has been pretty

600
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,599
transparent that he doesn't feel that they're going to have

601
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,519
just like one night to night. This is how we

602
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,480
started and that's it's ended discussion.

603
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,759
Speaker 2: What type of role is like Yabuselli gonna have on

604
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,519
It is like that more of a night like a

605
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,759
matchup dependent thing, or is this just someone we're penciling

606
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,640
in for regular rotation minutes each night.

607
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: At this point, I think he's the guy that is

608
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,200
the hardest to get a read on because Joel has

609
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,359
not played because with Embiid out the whole preseason, his

610
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:21,160
minutes have been ninety five percent as a center, and

611
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,799
that was not what I was expecting coming in. I

612
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,000
didn't know if he plays center at all. I thought, maybe, hey,

613
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,160
that's a gadget look that they'd go to every once

614
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,920
in a while, But that has been you know, the

615
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,079
vast majority of his minutes. We've seen from time to

616
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,119
time him play with Drummond. I don't think we've seen

617
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,519
him play with a den Bone at their second round

618
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,359
pick yet, But we don't really know what it looks

619
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,400
like when Yabuselli and Joel Embiid play together, which I

620
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440
think is probably a more natural Joel can space the

621
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,680
floor Yabuselli. The big question is like is he going

622
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,960
to hit shots? He shot well in the preseason, so

623
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,759
in theory, you should be able to put him out there.

624
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,039
And I think having a a bruiser type like him

625
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,720
next to Joel is definitely gonna be helpful in certain situations.

626
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:08,559
But yeah, I don't have a ton of feel for

627
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,359
what his role is in there, Like look the Joel

628
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,960
Embiid version of the rotation. I think when Joel is out,

629
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440
we have a good understanding like he will be Andre

630
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Drummond's primary backup and maybe there's some overlap there depending

631
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,720
on the opponent. And I guess how well Yabuseli might

632
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:28,880
be shooting on a given night.

633
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: Do you have any early impressions of some of just

634
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,559
the younger newcomers, Jared McCain, who seems like he's doing fine.

635
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,400
He went through a concussion protocol. Hopefully he's doing all

636
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,119
right after that. But what are kind of your early

637
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:40,920
impressions of him?

638
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we found out he has a bruised lungs,

639
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,319
which normally is our accident type of injury, which is

640
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,960
you know classic sixers that were We've had Zire Smith

641
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:56,079
almost die from a sesame allergy. Now we have a

642
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,279
guide suffering a bruised lung in a preseason game. It's

643
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:03,400
just it's never a dull moment. Jared McCain has looked

644
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,160
pretty good in the preseason, definitely better than he did

645
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:10,519
in Summer League, which you know that environment is too

646
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,920
hard to tell basically anything from has shot the ball

647
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,599
reasonably well. He had a tough game prior to the

648
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,440
injury last night. But I think again, it's another guy

649
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,119
that I want to see him play next to Joel

650
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:28,640
Embiid because his weaknesses are more as the you're the

651
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,400
point of attack leader. You have to be you have

652
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,599
to manage the game, you have to create off the dribble,

653
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720
you have to do all these things. You don't necessarily

654
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:40,680
need those things when Joel is on the floor because

655
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,960
he's sort of the center of the world and the

656
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,519
offense with these backup units especially, and so someone like McCain,

657
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:51,000
who can relocate and is really comfortable as a quick

658
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,599
catch and shoot guy, is a natural guard fit with him.

659
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,039
But we haven't seen him play a single minute alongside Joell,

660
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,839
so that that's been hard to tell. But he has

661
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,680
gotten really strong reviews from coaches players I know. Down

662
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,839
in the Bahamas, he was talking a lot of trash

663
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,319
behind closed doors is what I heard from members of

664
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,480
the coaching staff and some of the other players. So

665
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,440
came in with all the duke bluster. I guess Bona

666
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,279
hasn't really shown a whole lot. I think he's pretty raw.

667
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Everyone loves his energy, his competitiveness, all that, but he's

668
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:33,880
a very stereotypical young big where he fouls everyone and

669
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,359
jumps at everything, and so he's gonna spend some time

670
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,720
in Delaware at their G League affiliate this year. The

671
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,839
one guy who has been a pleasant surprise among their

672
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,720
two way guys is Justin Edwards, who Philly kid, who

673
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,720
was highly highly recruited. I think he was at one

674
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,119
point at least the number one player in that class.

675
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Goes to Kentucky, had a really bad freshman season and

676
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,759
had low expectations for me, a pretty poor summer league

677
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,079
stick around, and he's been really solid as like a

678
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,039
three and d off ball forward wing in the preseason.

679
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,920
I don't think he's going to get any time, at

680
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,199
least in the first half of the year, but someone

681
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,960
has like a long term project at nineteen that in

682
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,360
the last you know, a couple of weeks, I've seen

683
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,239
a lot more from than I expected, so not in

684
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,400
the We're not going to see any of Justin Edwards

685
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,280
unless you're watching the G League for a while, but

686
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,960
someone to keep an eye on moving forward.

687
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,519
Speaker 2: I think, are there any kind of like not even

688
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,599
fringe roster players, but fringe rotation players that are like,

689
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,440
is it a like, what is Reggie Jackson going to

690
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:40,000
do on this team?

691
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,679
Speaker 1: Just kJ Martin gets some minutes here?

692
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,039
Speaker 2: Like they're any kind of just like fringe rotation spots

693
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:46,159
that you're keeping an eye on.

694
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: So I was a big Ricky Council guy last year.

695
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,800
He has had a disappointing preseason and I think on

696
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,320
the other hand, kJ Martin has had a solid, if

697
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,360
not very good preseason and like last night, he was

698
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,119
he probably had like three lob finishes in one half.

699
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,280
And I think the trick with him is that he's

700
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,199
always been this crazy athlete, right like I'm sure you

701
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,920
as well as I did, grew up watching his dad,

702
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,559
who was just a monster athlete, and that's all kJ

703
00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:21,559
has been. At times, it's been trying to figure out,

704
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,239
you know, what, what do you do with that athleticism

705
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,639
because he's his dad, but he's six four six '

706
00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:28,920
five where his dad was like a true six '

707
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,519
ten forward, big type guy, and he worked all summer

708
00:35:33,559 --> 00:35:36,039
on the shot. He has not taken a single three

709
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,800
in the preseason, which is very funny on a lot

710
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,719
of levels. So that's kind of the thing right between

711
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,760
him and Yabuseli. They have two guys that they're very

712
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,960
different sort of players. But the shot is the difference

713
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,000
between you're gonna play, you know, five ten minutes and

714
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,159
just be you're an energy guy off the bench, or

715
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,280
you could play a real role on this team. If

716
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,760
Joel Embie gets doubled, Boss swings to you and you

717
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,599
make like thirty six thirty seven percent of her three.

718
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,159
So I'm keeping an eye on both those guys for

719
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:11,239
basically the same reason.

720
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: I like that kJ Martin has been on regular rotation

721
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,280
watch since he entered the league.

722
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,199
Speaker 1: Every year, the year that he can.

723
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: Craft the room, it's gonna be the year, right.

724
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: Something I didn't include when I sent you the outline,

725
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,199
Kelly Bridge Junior.

726
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 1: Is there any.

727
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Concern about what his value becomes to this team now

728
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,440
that they have three high usage guys to incorporate and

729
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,079
he's not the most devastating off ball shooter. A rumor

730
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,000
has it he's not the best passer either. I don't

731
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:38,480
know if that's something that you've heard.

732
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,679
Speaker 3: I can definitely confirm that rumor.

733
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, or is it just like well, because Biand's gonna

734
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,679
miss a bunch of time, Paul George and Tyres Max

735
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,199
you're so good away from the ball, are kind of

736
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,639
just plugging and playing that this is someone who's gonna

737
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,480
give them like that pace element and inject the chaos

738
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,639
and he's gonna find ways to score anyway.

739
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Because like intuitively, when you have these other.

740
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,079
Speaker 2: Three high usage guys with kellyubradg Junior, that's like in theory,

741
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:02,480
that doesn't seem like the cleanest fit.

742
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:08,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's why I was a little confused and

743
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,519
scratching my head at when Gordon came into the starting lineup.

744
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:14,039
I was like, oh, Kelly will be like the sixth

745
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:18,239
man type guy, right, because that brand of chaos and

746
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,880
energy and like he wants the ball is probably better

747
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,639
served as a reserve guy rather than you're playing between

748
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:28,840
and Caleb Martin as a fifth starter. He might be

749
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,960
the most prototypical fitth starter mentality and like dirty work

750
00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:37,840
guy that they have on the roster. And it's been

751
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,840
one of the things that I end watching this preseason

752
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,800
is like we talked about the two versions of the team, right,

753
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,960
the Joel team and the non Joel team. I am

754
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,559
a little concerned that with the non Joel team, Kelly

755
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:53,000
is going to be like, oh, this is It's Kelly

756
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:56,400
Ubret time, right, and he gets into like he's taking

757
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,239
more of those contested threes and he's trying to do

758
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,400
a little too much not passing the ball. I would

759
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,320
say he was a pleasant surprise last season. Obviously they

760
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,039
were under undermanned for a good portion of the season,

761
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:14,199
and that's so it justified like, hey, it's Kelly, you

762
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,320
bright time moments and games and stretches and whatnot. I'm

763
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,679
a little worried, yes, about is he going to kind

764
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:26,000
of fit with all these guys? But he really likes

765
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:32,239
Nick Nurse and if he's back here and sees the landscape,

766
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,000
I think, I don't know. I think he probably has

767
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,199
enough self awareness to be like, I have to buy

768
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,400
in and do the little things, because he did, to

769
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,079
his credit, on top of doing like typical Kelly Ubray stuff,

770
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,519
I thought he bought in a lot more on you know,

771
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,480
off ball attentiveness. Defensively being just like a cutter off

772
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,920
of Joelle and doing stuff without the ball in his

773
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,400
hands on offense, that that's the stuff that's held him back.

774
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,239
I think it's never been that he's had a lack

775
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,239
of talent. It'said the things that he needs to do

776
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,400
to get minutes, he's always kind of looked at as like, eh,

777
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,119
somebody else will do it. So hopefully that holds this year.

778
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: I would imagine last summer like leading into last season,

779
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,679
in the contract he ended up signing after averaging twenty

780
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:18,000
points or whatever, it was like that had to be

781
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,960
kind of a wake up call for him and almost realizing,

782
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,519
just as the most recent example, a guy like KCP

783
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:26,679
gets paid because he's just like a glue connective guy

784
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,079
for these really good teams, and if you can fit

785
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,519
into the larger context of a title contender, that might

786
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:35,079
be the best way to get maybe not caps lock paid,

787
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,360
but a deal that spans longer than one plus one

788
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:38,360
at this point.

789
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so now he's on a decent deal, but

790
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:44,719
to your point, it's a one plus one player option

791
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,039
where he's getting he's getting decent money, but he's not

792
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,880
getting probably what he would ideally want. So it's uh,

793
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,079
it's you never know. With Kelly, he is a free

794
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,039
spirit in so many ways, and I will I'm just

795
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,679
I was pretty pretty wrong on how his season would

796
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,679
play out. I thought he was at the end of

797
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,679
his rope and it was just going to be he

798
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,760
goes out playing exactly like Kelly Ubre has played his

799
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,559
whole career, and I give him a lot of credit

800
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:15,039
for how he remodeled himself a little bit last year.

801
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,079
We'll see if that's a trend or just a one off,

802
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,239
just to you know, sometimes guys when they're really under

803
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,760
the heat like that, everything changes. So who knows.

804
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned kJ Martin as someone who could potentially be

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,360
in the rotation, but he's viewed mostly by fans I

806
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,480
think around the league, maybe outside of Philly, as a

807
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:37,679
human trade exception. Oh, we obviously have to see how

808
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,199
the games play, how healthy, how the games pan out,

809
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,039
excuse me, how.

810
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:42,599
Speaker 1: Healthy the players are.

811
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: But how aggressive do you expect this team to be

812
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,320
when they are looking around the trade market. Because they

813
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,639
have first round picks to trade, they can still combine

814
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,960
salaries as long as they're not taking back more money

815
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,880
than they're sending out. Does Daryl Moriy have the license

816
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,119
to one. I mean, there might be opportunities out there,

817
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:02,079
but I guess it's it's a twofold question of one

818
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:04,719
do they think they need a significant piece and then

819
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,920
two does Daryn Moriy have the license to take on

820
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,960
someone who might be making real money beyond this year

821
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,119
when you're looking at having to pay and be MAXI

822
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,519
Paul George moving forward?

823
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, knowing Daryl Morrey's m O, I think

824
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,440
if they can get someone they view as an impact

825
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
guy at the deadline, they're going to do it. And

826
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,119
I keep throwing around. I don't know who will actually

827
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,440
be available, but the class of players that's like they're

828
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,760
entering restrictive free agency and their teams are kind of

829
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,960
like look at them sideways, like the kamingas I'm watching,

830
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:46,880
like Trey Murphy in New Orleans where he should be

831
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,280
starting for them, and like half the league is looking

832
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,280
at him right but like he's a guy who should

833
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,760
be starting and has been pretty good. But CJ's there

834
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,119
and it's just a log jam with like everything that's

835
00:41:58,159 --> 00:41:59,800
going on. They can't figure out what they want to do.

836
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,079
So guys like that that are on right now low

837
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:06,400
salaries that might get paid but also could still like

838
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:11,400
potentially grow with MAXI I'm keeping an eye on those

839
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,360
type of guys, but I think Darrell's going to do

840
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,360
whatever he can do to increase their title lots, because

841
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,119
I think they're pretty clear eyed on they have two

842
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,880
years and then after that it's probably gravy if you

843
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,559
have like a third year of Paul George will what

844
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,039
thirty six going on thirty seven?

845
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,039
Speaker 2: Well, according to some of the comments, that might be

846
00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:36,960
like forty two going on forty five.

847
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So I think they're pretty clear on you know,

848
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,840
we have at least two years here, everyone's health permitting,

849
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,159
and then we'll see after that. So I think they'll

850
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,760
be aggressive and frankly based on you know, what's going

851
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,360
on with Kawhi in LA. Those Clippers picks that they

852
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,559
own are oh, pretty damn valuable now. I think they're

853
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,480
probably overstated in value by some people, right because even

854
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,119
though it's the Clippers and they're not the glamour team

855
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:07,559
in LA, you know as well as I do, guys

856
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,039
want to play in LA. So eventually, if they all

857
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,119
fizzle out, they'll have no draft picks. But if you

858
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,000
have open cap space and say to a few guys, Hey,

859
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,760
you want to come live in live and play in

860
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,719
LA and you don't have the pressure of playing for

861
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,760
the Lakers. I think long term they'll still be like

862
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,920
okay rather than disaster old Clippers, especially because Bomber is

863
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,400
just a unmeasurably better owner than Sterling was.

864
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: Also six Ers Fent should know how much players want

865
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,559
to be in LA. Nick, but who went back Everyone

866
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,039
is going to retire. So the name that I have

867
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:43,480
circle that, I want to be clear, I have it

868
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:45,760
circled for so many teams because I'm worried about his

869
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,760
playing time relative that much talent they have. And I

870
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,280
actually don't think he's someone his team should trade. But

871
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,440
that's become my shtick is everyone should trade for this

872
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,639
player whose team should not actually trade him.

873
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: Tar Ethan is the name where he's.

874
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: Been thrown around in Philly a bunch this summer. That's like,

875
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,159
I'm actually surprised we haven't done a full show on

876
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
him throughout the many I mean we did shows on

877
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,519
pre free agency. It's like, should they sign Klay Thompson?

878
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,519
Should they sign KCP? Like the backup plans to the

879
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,320
backup plans type of thing, Tarry Easton was one of

880
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,599
those guys as a like, hey, here's a young guy

881
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,960
we're watching that might just be like surplus the requirements.

882
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,360
He definitely feels like a Daryl Morey by low guy right,

883
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,880
like his his advanced numbers dating math the college or

884
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,719
off the charts, because he's just like he creates events, rebounds,

885
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,599
block steals. He's also just a bundle of chaos, so

886
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,239
that's always fun. So yeah, he's someone did certainly I

887
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,360
would keep an eye on. I also have some interest,

888
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:48,719
and we've talked about this is another guy that like

889
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,920
eight eighty teams would trade for him if there were

890
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,920
eighty teams in the league. But like the good Bogdanovitch

891
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,639
down in Atlanta, why I shouldn't say the good. They

892
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
both are good for various reasons. But Bojan is old

893
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,880
at this point. But Bogie, I think, is just like

894
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,559
another creator guy who can play off ball. Plenty of

895
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,840
playoff reps at this point, or enough playoff reps at

896
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,559
this point, so he's somebody that probably like fifteen teams

897
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:21,159
will be calling Atlanta and Trey Young is just steing

898
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,400
mad because they've only won like seventeen games in January

899
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:25,920
or whatever.

900
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm waiting for we need the deep cuts of

901
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,960
like Vic Crachie will probably pop up on the rails

902
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,320
of continues the fen Well or I'd be a big

903
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,760
too MANI Kamara guy, but I think Portland's officially more

904
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,639
likely Drey Grant than him at this point.

905
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:39,119
Speaker 1: I'd like to be tagged.

906
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,559
Speaker 2: When you inevitably record the tari easan specific show, I

907
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:43,119
predict you.

908
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: I'll at least DM you about it. How about that?

909
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: So are you ready to enter the cookie Cutter Lightning

910
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:50,920
Round portion of this podcast?

911
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,599
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

912
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: So this dovetails nicely with what we just discussed, But

913
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,800
without having seen this team play games that matter, what

914
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,800
do you identify as kind of their single biggest need?

915
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,679
Speaker 3: I weirdly enough. I mean we talked about the three

916
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,360
wings and all that. I think they have too many

917
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,119
little guards on this roster. I just think they need

918
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,719
to get bigger. I don't know whether that's on the

919
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:19,039
wing forward maybe even like a true It sounds insane

920
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,480
because they have in theory four bigs if you count Yabuselli,

921
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,679
they might need another one because I don't know. Drummond

922
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,599
as a checkered playoff history Yabucelli asking him to play

923
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,840
the five for anything other than like you know, you

924
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,400
have to get by type of minutes. I'm skeptical of

925
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,159
and Bona I just don't think is ready to play

926
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,559
this year. So I would not be surprised if eventually

927
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:45,519
they need a big but size anywhere, right, because we're

928
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:48,480
already talking about well, Eric Gordon might start because he

929
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,480
can't play with Lowry. But if it's not Lowry, it's

930
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,400
Reggie Jackson, And if it's not Reggie Jackson, it's Jared McCain. Like,

931
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,960
I think the tallest guy out of those guys is

932
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,320
six to two, and none of them are athletes. Lowry's

933
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,800
thirty eight. I think Reggie's what thirty, let's say thirty

934
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,880
three something like that, thirty three, thirty four.

935
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 1: I need to look that up.

936
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 3: He's you can double check that for me. But either way,

937
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,639
he's not a spring chicken anymore.

938
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: He's Paul George. He's thirty four, thirty.

939
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,199
Speaker 3: I actually I made him younger. I Benjamin buttoned him. Yeah. So,

940
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,159
but all those guys are like six ' one six

941
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,360
' to two, either older or in McCain's case, he

942
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,480
just you know, he's completely unproven, and so you want

943
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,400
to have I would love just like a two guard,

944
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,519
like a classic two guard guy who can shoot, play

945
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,440
off the ball, and defend like twos and threes. If

946
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,599
I had trusted the Anthony Meltons back whatsoever, he's a guy,

947
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,079
and if they had been able to get him at

948
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:51,880
a minimum or whatever, I think he was like a

949
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,039
no doubt bring him back guy. But Golden State rolled

950
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,159
the dice on him and he already has a back

951
00:47:57,199 --> 00:48:00,960
issue in the preseason. It looks like so that type

952
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,599
of guy I have a lot of interest in, but

953
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,199
it's hard to know until Joel Embiid plays like that's

954
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,159
it's the weirdest thing we've gone through the whole preseason

955
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,679
and we have no idea what they look like playing

956
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,880
off of the most unique player.

957
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,199
Speaker 2: That they have, the idea of having to expand to

958
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,639
assets to get another big too is just you it? Yeah,

959
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:25,840
and it's but I can't remember who made this point.

960
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,679
I was listening to a podcast where didn't it used

961
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,320
to feel like you could just pick a big off

962
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,719
the scrap heap and they can come in and just

963
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,280
soak up some high leverage minutes for you. And now

964
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,400
it's kind of not that way anymore because there are

965
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,519
a lot of teams that can kind of be in

966
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,159
the situation like, oh, we just need like a big

967
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,400
to eat up some minutes and it's all right, Like

968
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,320
who was that Mason Plumbley?

969
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,159
Speaker 1: Was it? Like Beyambo is still floating around out there.

970
00:48:48,199 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: It feels a lot harder to get like I don't

971
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,960
know how we got here, how long it took to get.

972
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: Here, and I didn't even realize we got here, but

973
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:55,360
we're here.

974
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look it's doing it in the regular season

975
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,039
versus the play playoffs also much different, right, Like I

976
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:05,519
think Drummond for that innings either type of role in

977
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:09,199
the regular season great. Drummond as a playoff guy has

978
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,480
had a pretty checkered history because teams are now playing

979
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,320
five out and the biggest guy is like a six

980
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,480
to eight guy who's like it could be like a

981
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,280
Nick patoomb, right, Like we saw the Clippers have a

982
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,239
lot of success with those type of lineups in the playoffs.

983
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,280
Or like Dallas is like, hey, Maxi Kliba is the

984
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,840
biggest guy on the floor in previous playoff runts, Maxi Kliba,

985
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,800
Dori and Finny Smith like those type of guys next

986
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,719
to one another. So that's kind of the thing. I mean,

987
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,599
maybe it's Yabuseli. Maybe he ends up in that type

988
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:44,800
of if they're playing smaller lineups, that he can do that.

989
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,119
But that's that's a big ass for a guy who's

990
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:50,599
been out of the NBA for quite a while now.

991
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 2: Is there anything that we haven't talked about player specific,

992
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,079
team specific stylistic weaknesses concerned strength that's flying under the

993
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:00,960
radar you think and does serves more shine?

994
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:06,119
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think my it was a joke

995
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,000
that turned into like, oh, this is kind of a

996
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:11,400
serious thing. The whole thing about they just have too

997
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,559
many guys that are shorter than me on the team

998
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,679
because I'm like six ' three. That's been my my

999
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,480
thing that I've been pounding the table for all assie,

1000
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,679
like they just kept signing these guys and like, look,

1001
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,920
Reggie Jackson is like the fourteenth guy. It doesn't really

1002
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,199
matter like those that guy. If you're playing the fourteenth

1003
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:32,800
guy on the roster, you're probably in trouble anyway. But

1004
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,440
that is kind of a thing because you look at

1005
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:38,599
how the rotation will actually play out, and it's like, well,

1006
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:40,679
if it's going to be Lowry or mccaina one of

1007
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,559
these guys. You have to be pretty careful about how

1008
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:47,679
you structure everything else. And most of those guys also

1009
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,159
can't play with Maxi, right, Like, that's the other thing.

1010
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,559
If Maxi's going to be your thirty five to on

1011
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,079
the high end forty minute guy on a night to

1012
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:01,960
night basis, anybody else that's a backy has to supplement

1013
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,559
him defensively in some way. And so that's one of

1014
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,480
the challenges. It's it's admittedly not like a crazy like,

1015
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,320
oh that's camp, but nobody's ever thought of this type

1016
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,760
of thing. But that's that's one of my h let's

1017
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,840
see what happens there head and end of the season.

1018
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,159
Speaker 2: It's people like you are the reason why I don't

1019
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,239
cover games on site anymore. I'm a true five to

1020
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,760
eleven and just felt like such a tiny human being

1021
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,920
because you're around NBA players and all these media members

1022
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,159
were like six feet and taller. I could get to

1023
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,960
six feet depending on how long I let my hair

1024
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,800
grow out and how high I spike it. But I'm

1025
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,079
not the dating app five eleven. I'm a true five eleven,

1026
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,159
and I felt so diminutive covering games on site.

1027
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:40,039
Speaker 1: I had to stop.

1028
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, One, at least you're honest about it.

1029
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,360
And two, I will tell you the first time I

1030
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,880
walked into a room with Bobon, I was like, that's

1031
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,119
not even We're not the same we don't come from

1032
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:58,079
the same planet. Basically, that guy is just a monster.

1033
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,280
And like, by the way, the greatest guy ever. Like,

1034
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,400
I'll tell you a quick story while we're here. There

1035
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,159
was a media scrum in the locker room one night,

1036
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,159
right and Laren Rosen, who covers the Sixers four of

1037
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,079
the Sixers like works for Sixers dot Com with got

1038
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,039
cut off a couple of times in a row by

1039
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:22,440
one specific reporter who's like talking over her and Bobon

1040
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,239
the first time notices it. The second time, after the

1041
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,440
guy does it again, he leans over, like puts one

1042
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,039
big finger in this guy's face, goes, hold on, let

1043
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,960
the lady speak over there. She's trying to ask a question,

1044
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,119
like interrupted the whole thing, and it was just like

1045
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:41,440
and didn't do it. Wasn't a mean spirit, it wasn't

1046
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:44,280
like a fu type of thing. It was just like, hey,

1047
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,199
show some respect to one of your colleagues. Who's here

1048
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,119
and clearly has been trying to ask a question that's

1049
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,519
been getting talked over. So like a lot of little

1050
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,760
things like that where he's just he goes out of

1051
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,719
his way to make sure everyone is included and being heard.

1052
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,519
And so like loved Bobon's time here for the you know,

1053
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:04,239
the behind the scenes type stuff.

1054
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: I've heard nothing but good stories about him.

1055
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,679
Speaker 2: It's always fun when it seems like the personality that

1056
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,960
is conveyed from like the ten million foot view lines up.

1057
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,519
Speaker 1: With people who cover them more closely.

1058
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: It does sound like some of their rotation is going

1059
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,920
to be up in the air. And so when you

1060
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,800
look at their rotation, would it be safe to say

1061
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,960
that there's like eight locks when you have Maxi, Gordon, PG,

1062
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,960
Kelly Bridge Jr, EMBIID, Kayla, Martin Lowry and Drummond? Like,

1063
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,079
are those just the eight guys that you're etching in

1064
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:29,960
Stone each night?

1065
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,079
Speaker 3: Those are the exact eight. I think the next two

1066
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,360
are probably kJ and Yabuselli, And we kind of went

1067
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,679
over Yabuselli as a swing guy. I think McCain and

1068
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,719
to a lesser extent, Ricky Counsel are the younger guys

1069
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,199
who have a chance to maybe break through that group

1070
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,679
at some point this season. I think the other thing

1071
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,199
is Lowry is going to get built in rest time

1072
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,920
as well, Like they're pretty aware that he's thirty eight

1073
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,800
years old and shouldn't be Like last year he came

1074
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,400
in signed him, I believe it was after the deadline

1075
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:10,559
for above the minimum, and he was playing like twenty

1076
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,079
five minutes at night, thirty minutes a night sometimes and

1077
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,360
starting down the stretch with some of that was they

1078
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,719
were a mass unit for a while there. Melton was out,

1079
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Covington was out, Joelle's out, like all these guys are

1080
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,840
missing time. But it's also like Nurse loves him and

1081
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,840
just trusts him like he's a son of his and

1082
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,760
so we'll see what that does. Right, Like once Lowry

1083
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,360
has removed, you know, what impact does that have on

1084
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:42,199
the rest of the rotation, And maybe that allows McCain

1085
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,960
or maybe they throw another wing in there and they say, hey, PG,

1086
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:47,960
you're gonna handle the ball a little bit. Like I

1087
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,119
know we got point Paul at times in LA depending

1088
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:55,239
on what was going on there with all their certainly

1089
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,079
the Kauhi injuries, but also before Harden showed up that

1090
00:54:58,119 --> 00:54:59,840
they were slapping it together.

1091
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: So there might be a chance that someone like McCain

1092
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,719
would get minutes before Jackson. I was just kind of

1093
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,199
was like, well, Jackson's the vet, he's longer that they

1094
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,840
might default to him if if Lowry, for example, has

1095
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,559
built in rest.

1096
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I would say we've seen more of McCain in

1097
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,920
the preseason in the like the whatever you would call

1098
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:24,679
meaningful minutes in the preseason, which is none, but you know,

1099
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,079
first have the games. So it's hard to get to

1100
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:32,199
read though, because he's played most of his minutes with

1101
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,760
another ball handler, Like a lot of McCain time has

1102
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,719
either been with Lowry or even like with a Jeft

1103
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,880
doubt and like guys like that, And so I'm not

1104
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,039
sure if when Lowry's out they view him as like, hey,

1105
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,719
we're putting the ball in your hands and you're gonna

1106
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:53,800
run the team essentially. So that's I think McCain will

1107
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,960
spend time in Delaware in the G League, but I

1108
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:04,159
don't know. We'll see what happens when actual start.

1109
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,039
Speaker 2: I guess, right now, what do you think Winds go

1110
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,360
to closing lineup?

1111
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 3: I think it'll be Joel Maxy PG. So obviously the

1112
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,440
like my dog.

1113
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: I'd be a spicy take if you're like, you know,

1114
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,159
pg's probably gonna be watching a lot of crunch Time

1115
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:23,159
movies from the sidelines.

1116
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: I think Caleb, and then I think it'll be Kelly,

1117
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:32,480
But I think it'll if Eric Gordon has a hot hand,

1118
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,519
for example, I think they'll ride him. I just it's

1119
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,079
hard to know, right, Like we don't even know what

1120
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:43,280
the starting lineup looks like when Joel is out there,

1121
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,440
but I think the starting lineup that everyone's sort of

1122
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,559
penciled in in the off season, which was the three Wings,

1123
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:55,119
Maxie and Embiid, you're kind of overthinking it if you

1124
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,760
go with anything else. Now there will be some matchups

1125
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,159
or nights or it's like they probably do need Kyle

1126
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:02,159
Lowry to like.

1127
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:05,519
Speaker 1: That's the one. I feel like Nick Nurse could have

1128
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:07,320
some clutch timeline. Yeah.

1129
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he just trust him so inherently that

1130
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,679
I would not be shocked if they are games or

1131
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,679
he just and look like even at thirty eight, and

1132
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,679
maybe especially at thirty eight, he's just so smart that

1133
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,400
all the issues with like he's old and not his

1134
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,000
athletic and whatever, he can make up for a lot

1135
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:28,960
of them with just positioning and all the other stuff.

1136
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,679
So I would not be shocked if Lowry closes games.

1137
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,599
But I think at least to open the year, they're

1138
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,760
gonna give the triple wing lineup as much runway as

1139
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,400
they can, because I think by the playoffs it's gonna

1140
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,239
be a lot harder to play Maxi and Lowry against,

1141
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
you know, especially against Boston. Like I love Kyle Lowry,

1142
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,920
but when they have Derek White, Holiday Brown, Tatum, and

1143
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,679
Porzingis out there, Lowry and Maxie aren't getting get eaten

1144
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,000
alive on defense?

1145
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,719
Speaker 2: Is there a weird, funky lineup you would like to

1146
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,119
see Nick Nurse roll out in a game that matters?

1147
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to see how shocked you are by this.

1148
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,239
I think there is let's call it a thirty chance

1149
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,559
that they make a real effort to play Embiid and

1150
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:24,000
Drummond together this year. Oh god, and not as like

1151
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:27,599
so they did this years ago at this when Drummond

1152
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:31,920
was here under Doc Right, they did Embi drumming one

1153
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,440
time and it was one of those we got to

1154
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,039
miss a free throw, get the rebound and like score

1155
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:39,880
in the last three second type of thing. I think

1156
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,920
they're going to try to play it this year and

1157
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:46,480
add a lot more than just the because Drummond's been

1158
00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:49,639
shooting threes in the preseason. It's something he's worked on

1159
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,639
after every practice, before every game. He even made a

1160
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:57,679
three in the first preseason game against New Zealand. And

1161
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:02,679
we talked about the rebounding thing. I think they're cognizant of, Like, look,

1162
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,599
we got to find ways to rebound one way or another,

1163
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,039
and whatever issues Drummond has, that guy is going to

1164
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:12,280
get a defensive rebound. So I would not be stunned

1165
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,039
if we see that. In fact, I mean, if you

1166
00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:19,320
want to go true, just like brain melt, lineup, play

1167
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,800
yabull with that, Like I we're gonna play like a

1168
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:24,599
bash brother.

1169
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna play those two, Paul George and

1170
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,639
Yabuselli also have to be on the court, and then

1171
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:31,719
why don't we just have Kelly oubre Junior on there

1172
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:32,159
as well.

1173
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. So look, I think I'm expecting Joel Embiid to

1174
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,599
take more threes this year. I think he shot the

1175
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:44,360
ball well. One of the things he did do well

1176
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,400
at the Olympics was he put up a lot of

1177
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,440
threes and I think he get a pretty high percentage

1178
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,519
of them. We have seen signs that the release is

1179
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:54,079
a little bit quicker on catch and shoot type stuff,

1180
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:56,599
and so I would not be shocked if he's just

1181
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:58,960
like they're going to use him in that way more.

1182
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,800
And so if he is more of like that stretch

1183
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,119
guy and you just have Andre and the paint like, well,

1184
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,480
just bomb away, boys and I'll try to get all

1185
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,960
the rebounds and the other end of the floor. I

1186
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,320
certainly don't want Andre defending in space that often. But again,

1187
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,519
he's such a glass cleaner. If you play some of

1188
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,960
these teams that might not have the the best floor spacing,

1189
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:24,400
you just say that we dare you to attack us

1190
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,920
in the paint. So I would keep an eye on it.

1191
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,679
If it happens, I'll circle back with you and we'll

1192
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,039
we'll remember this it does.

1193
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,199
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was not even on my radar.

1194
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,159
I went the complete opposite the direction.

1195
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: I want to see Yabul at the five, I mean

1196
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,320
Paul George, Caleb, Martin, Maxi and then I really thought

1197
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,400
about getting super weird with the last spot, but just

1198
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,840
Pencily and Kyle Lowry for me.

1199
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:47,679
Speaker 1: So you're small, We've.

1200
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 3: Already seen those lineups in the pre Like I think

1201
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,719
they will probably play those. Yeah, so Yabuseli's played at

1202
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,880
the five, and so I want to say the game

1203
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:03,159
in Atlanta Monday, it was Yabuseli, Caleb Martin, Lowry PG,

1204
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,440
and maybe kJ Martin if I remember correctly. So, like

1205
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:12,480
you're most of the way there, and they actually looked

1206
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,239
pretty damn good, Like Caleb and Yabuseli came in and

1207
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,400
they were getting stops and running the other way. So

1208
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,920
I think you will get especially on the Knights that

1209
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,400
Joel doesn't play, I think you'll get a healthy portion

1210
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,800
of that from someone.

1211
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: In my perspective outside of Philly, we're probably not appreciating

1212
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,840
the get weird factor for this team enough because of

1213
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,639
the Bake did Knights that Joel and Bee is not

1214
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:34,079
going to be on the court, like they're gonna have

1215
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,440
to get weird for extended stretches.

1216
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,559
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, as somebody who's got to talk

1217
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,000
five hours a week about this team and right about them,

1218
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,800
and you know, talk to people like you and people

1219
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,719
around the league, I'm really ready for Just like Nick

1220
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,840
Nurse throws some stuff at the wall, Let's let's see

1221
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,920
what happens. Because there are only so many ways you

1222
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,039
can be like, oh, wake me up in April and

1223
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:57,679
we'll see what happens in the playoffs.

1224
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: As we record this, they're over under a set of

1225
01:02:00,119 --> 01:02:02,920
fifteen and a half wins. I'm actually shocked, given just

1226
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,840
what's played out with Embiid and George that that has

1227
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,679
not been lowered.

1228
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,199
Speaker 1: How many games do you see this team winning?

1229
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:11,039
Speaker 2: Factory and everything that you already know and have discussed

1230
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,960
with the Joel Embiid load management.

1231
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:18,679
Speaker 3: I think if they have good health luck, which you

1232
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,079
know just gonna laugh at, like the concept of the

1233
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:26,039
Sixers having good health luck, they could pretty easily win

1234
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,159
mid fifties. Like, I think they're that talented. It's just

1235
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,920
a matter of like, can they actually keep Joel healthy

1236
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:39,519
throughout this year? And is it do you give away

1237
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,480
too much by like, hey, we're just not playing them

1238
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,159
in any back to the backs And are they good

1239
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,559
enough with Tyrese and Paul to shoulder the load so

1240
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:52,000
to speak, to win a lot of those games? So

1241
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,199
I would say realistically low fifties, Like I think fifty

1242
01:02:57,239 --> 01:02:59,119
and a half is a good number based on what

1243
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,679
we know about the plan for Joel Paul coming into

1244
01:03:02,719 --> 01:03:06,360
the year, already having you know, his first bone Brews

1245
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,840
of the season. I would take the over on that,

1246
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,199
but I think they genuinely could get to like the

1247
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,880
high fifties if things broke right. So I would settle

1248
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,559
somewhere like fifty three fifty four I think is like

1249
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:25,159
not not crazy territory that is reachable with decent lock.

1250
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,079
Speaker 2: When we did our win projections, I went fifty one

1251
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:29,480
for them, So I guess.

1252
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's right in the same ballpark.

1253
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,159
Speaker 2: I just the number I'm going to be looking at

1254
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,000
is how many games are Paul George Tarrii's match and

1255
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:39,079
Joe won't be playing in together? Because if Paul George

1256
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,519
is getting baked in rest or I know it's never

1257
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:43,760
the same injury. Although he's had some weird shoulder stuff.

1258
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,760
Paul George just missed like an average of twenty or

1259
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,960
twenty five games over the past half decade per year.

1260
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,719
But like, so if you're just baking in rest and

1261
01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:52,599
absences for him, I'm assuming the you know, the planned

1262
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:54,920
rest will not happen on nights at which Joelle Beid

1263
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,159
is in playing, So, like, what does the final number

1264
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:58,480
of get, Like do these three.

1265
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,639
Speaker 1: Play in forty five games together? Is that too ambitious?

1266
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:03,719
Speaker 2: That's that's the number that I think I'm going to

1267
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,360
be laser focused on this year.

1268
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:09,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so here's the other thing. Like Joel has

1269
01:04:09,239 --> 01:04:11,559
said what he said about him not playing back to backs,

1270
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,639
the team can say we're doing this, We're doing that.

1271
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,880
My one of my big questions, and maybe we could

1272
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,159
have talked about this earlier, is does do the actions

1273
01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:26,280
line up with the rhetoric? Right? And when when we

1274
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,079
get to let's say it's late December or mid December, right,

1275
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:34,320
we we got there. Last year, Joel had not said

1276
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,840
the same things, but was like, you know, I won MVP.

1277
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,000
All that matters is the title or whatever. And then

1278
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:44,320
he is just on an unbelievable heater, like he's they

1279
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,280
were destroying teams, Like granted their schedule was pretty easy,

1280
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,400
but they're winning basically every game in three quarters for

1281
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:55,800
like a month straight. He's putting up like Wilt Chamberlain

1282
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,079
scoring Yeah, and if he if they end up in

1283
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:03,880
mid to late and Joelle's, you know, the best player

1284
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,280
in the league on like current performance, are you going

1285
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,079
to go to him the next back to back and

1286
01:05:09,199 --> 01:05:12,480
be like you're just not playing like your body is fine.

1287
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,039
All our tests say like there's no risk or whatever.

1288
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,280
It's just about we have this plan, like will they

1289
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,840
actually stick to that? Like that's another subplot and all this.

1290
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,639
You can say, I don't care about this, I don't

1291
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:26,599
care about that, and I believe Joel like I think

1292
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:29,639
he does care about winning a championship above all else.

1293
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360
He's also also a competitor, right, Like he said, you

1294
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,280
don't get to the level of these guys get to

1295
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,519
about being like, yeah, I don't I don't really feel

1296
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:39,679
like playing, and like yeah, whatever, I don't need to

1297
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,199
play these games, and I don't care about this award

1298
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,159
or All Star or All NBA or whatever. It is,

1299
01:05:44,199 --> 01:05:48,400
Like it's human nature for a high level competitor like

1300
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,880
that to say, no, screw that, I don't care what

1301
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,639
the medical people say. I want to play. I want

1302
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:54,920
to dominate these guys.

1303
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: The the reason I'm in I normally just doubt anything

1304
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,840
that players are executive say it like inherently like the

1305
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,480
whole oh, this is the year that the offense is

1306
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,840
going to run through Anthony Davis instead of Lebron. Of course,

1307
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,199
but Joelle, relative to other players, have been pretty open

1308
01:06:10,239 --> 01:06:13,320
about when he wants to win the MVP, and so

1309
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,960
the fact that he then is saying this makes me

1310
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,559
think like, oh, this is for real. But to your point,

1311
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:21,159
I do think that could obviously shift if he's feeling well,

1312
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:23,679
and that maybe his you know, can load management be

1313
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:25,920
done in games because they are winning by so much

1314
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,639
that he's not averaging thirty four to thirty five minutes.

1315
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:30,239
Speaker 1: He's more at like thirty or thirty one.

1316
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: So that will be something to watch and something that,

1317
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,440
you know, the more games he plays that they're going

1318
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,000
to be that's not that's not rocket science, that's not novel,

1319
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,800
because he is that that dominant.

1320
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,679
Speaker 1: So I didn't even frame it.

1321
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: I took it at his word because of how open

1322
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,440
he's been about wanting all these other individual honors.

1323
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,559
Speaker 3: In the past, and I'm saying I take him at

1324
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:51,280
his word in the sense that I think he and

1325
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,800
the organization are going into the year saying I'm not

1326
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,480
doing these and I'm our goal is at the end

1327
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:02,440
of the row, past all of this. I just think

1328
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,079
it's a very different thing to say in October, I'm

1329
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:07,880
not playing back to the backs and I don't care

1330
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,400
about this, And then you get to January, you know

1331
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,840
it's funny. I'm pretty sure the game in Denver, which

1332
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,880
I know has become this huge talking point, is a

1333
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,360
third game in four night scenario. And that's like the

1334
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,000
most obvious, like don't play him if you're just going

1335
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:29,280
by this is how we manage you. Playing your third

1336
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,559
game of four nights at altitude is the most easy,

1337
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,239
just like, of course you don't play that game. So

1338
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,119
that's the one that's one that we're gonna going into

1339
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,840
it be like is he gonna play? Is he not

1340
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,039
gonna play? And I would imagine there'll be some heated

1341
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,639
discussions about that. So it's just it's the practical reality

1342
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,760
of how the season plays out versus everyone's best lead intentions,

1343
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:54,920
I think is what we're talking about here, Kyle.

1344
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,519
Speaker 2: Is there anything we have not discussed, I haven't asked

1345
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,679
you about that you think needs to be touched upon

1346
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,039
for that Uska Dattle.

1347
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I just so I would say this,

1348
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:11,280
I have been, relative to the general internet, been like

1349
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,400
a big Joel Embiid defender for you know, various reasons

1350
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,560
for health, some of the supporting casts all that. I

1351
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,720
think this is undoubtedly the best team that he's had

1352
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,039
top to bottom. Like I think in twenty nineteen with

1353
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:30,199
Butler and those guys, they had the best top six.

1354
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,439
But this is the year that I think is like

1355
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,319
everything's on the table. You got to go get it

1356
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:39,560
done right. Like I think the oh, they can't get

1357
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,000
out of the second round stuff is like I don't

1358
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,640
really care about that. I think it's not winning a

1359
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,079
title is what matters, and I think that's how the

1360
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,560
organization looks at it. But I think this is the

1361
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,039
year there needs to be some form of real progress, right,

1362
01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:58,159
Like you can make all the excuses you want, at

1363
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:00,239
some point you have to beat a real team in

1364
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:03,359
the playoffs, like there has not been. You can't look

1365
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:05,840
at a series and be like, well, that's the signature

1366
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,399
win that they've had. And and Joel Embiid's career and

1367
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,439
so got to keep him healthy and can't blame him

1368
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,479
if he's like he has another injury and it's just

1369
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,520
like dragging around out there or whatever. But it's time

1370
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,479
for progress. Like I think everyone's been around here has

1371
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,920
been relatively fair to him, despite the national dialogue has

1372
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,479
gotten crazy on him at this point. But now I

1373
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,800
do think it's we're approaching like it's put up or

1374
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,520
shot up time. So that to me is very exciting.

1375
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,600
Like I I love the idea of like you're under pressure,

1376
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,119
you're under the microscope, like how do you respond to that,

1377
01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:47,640
whether that's in sports or anywhere else. But it'll make

1378
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,439
for a very interesting Does look like PG has been

1379
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:54,479
all over the place as a playoff guy, right, He's

1380
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,359
had some runs like that that twenty one run in

1381
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,000
La where you know, Qui goes down and he was

1382
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:04,760
still incredible in that Sun series that they lost, And

1383
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,439
then he's had the you know, the playoff P complimentary

1384
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,960
and playoff P derogatory type of thing going on. So

1385
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,279
I it's a team that could go any which way

1386
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,880
by the end of the year, and I'm really excited

1387
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:19,960
for this to get gone.

1388
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be actually the top?

1389
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: Is there even more pressure on Joombid because it does

1390
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,680
seem that a lot of people view some of the

1391
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,960
injury problems I don't know if as preventable, but as

1392
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,880
a symptom of this guy doesn't stay in shape or

1393
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,840
didn't take good enough care of his body for so

1394
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:36,840
for such a large portion of his career.

1395
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think because the roster has changed so

1396
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,640
many times, and if you just look at it on

1397
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,840
like a name basis, it's like, oh, well, he's had X,

1398
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,920
y Z and he's had this, he's had that. I

1399
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,359
think locally there is a they have reached a point

1400
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:57,279
where it's like just some people aren't even paying attention

1401
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,399
to the regular season anymore, right, Like.

1402
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: It's all wake me up for the NBA's product.

1403
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 3: Look, that's a Philadelphia is that way about almost every

1404
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,479
sport in a weird way where it's like they absolutely

1405
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,479
love the Eagles, they absolutely love the Sixers, Phillies Flyers.

1406
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,359
A lot of them do not watch the league's other

1407
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,319
than it's like they ride or die, and they could

1408
01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:25,399
tell you the ins and outs of every single player,

1409
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,880
their spouses, they're like their high school they went to.

1410
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,560
And then you talk about another team and it's like

1411
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,560
I don't care about that guy that team, So it's

1412
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,359
it's funny, right And so I do think there is

1413
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:42,199
a contingent at this point, and rightfully so, They've been

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a frustrating team to follow who doesn't really care about

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this season despite the off season, But I do think

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they're probably outweighed by There is a lot of excitement

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locally about this team, just to see what the hell

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it looks like with Paul George in town.

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Speaker 2: Kyle, thank you for giving me so much of your

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time and your insight. Are you able just to tell

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our listeners watchers if they're on YouTube, where you could

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where they could find you in all the great work that.

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Speaker 3: You do, Yes, sir, so, my written work is at

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all phli dot com, all our shows. I'm on the

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Phry Sixers podcast. We live stream on YouTube five days

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a week, pregame, post game, and then three o'clock pm

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Eastern on the non game days. That's at Phry Sports

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on YouTube. You can find us on your various podcast platforms, Spotify, Apple,

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all that and uh yeah, catch me on I guess

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it's X now, but I will never call that. Catch

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me on Twitter at Kyle Newbeck and ready for some

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hoops man, as I'm sure you are.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the links for everyone who wants to follow him

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will be in the podcast YouTube description and I will

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fix the realizing now there's a rogue e in Kyle's

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last name on the oh Man.

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Speaker 3: That was honestly so my mic arm that's here has

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been in front of that and I never noticed it

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or I would have called you out for it at like

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the very start of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Sou will be so anyone who's listening to this point

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that Eve has been removed. That is the Twitter handle,

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because we will never call it X around these parts either.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Man, This was fantastic and hopefully I'll be able to

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talk to you soon and enjoy the season.