Speaker 1: Man, can I get in and everybody, welcome back to
Speaker 1: Calling All Beings. I'm your host DJ on a very
Speaker 1: very special show tonight. Because you know what we got
Speaker 1: going on. We got the first lady a Turtle Boy
Speaker 1: Nation in OG one of the first nine. Baby, go
Speaker 1: check your one percent Motorcycle Gang rules and you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the first nine. She's one of those. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna get her on tonight. But before I introduce
Speaker 1: our special guests of honor, let us introduce my Coke
Speaker 1: collaborator for Calling All Beings into the joint. You know
Speaker 1: who she is? Put your hands together from Mary. Excuse
Speaker 1: me be Adriance.
Speaker 2: Hi?
Speaker 1: Everyone good?
Speaker 3: How are you happy Saturday?
Speaker 1: Happy Saturday? Man? This is gonna be dope.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: We've been wanting to talk to this young lady for
Speaker 1: a while because she's been behind the scenes for quite
Speaker 1: a bit, but yet at the same time, she's been
Speaker 1: out on the street, like out front, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, doing her damn thing with no fear. So
Speaker 1: and I, like I say in the intro to this,
Speaker 1: like I really think her commentary on Twitter is quite
Speaker 1: witty and funny and cool, and so from from that standpoint,
Speaker 1: other than us meeting her at the you know, we
Speaker 1: met her at the Halloween party, but other than that,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like, I didn't really get to speak
Speaker 1: with her a whole lot. And I'm like, Wow, she's
Speaker 1: really cool. Definitely want to have her on the show.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Absolutely know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Girl.
Speaker 1: All Right, Then, without further ado, this young lady, as
Speaker 1: Beatrice told me, is is one of the Canton nine.
Speaker 1: She was involved in the movement prior to her becoming
Speaker 1: a couple with Turtle Boy, who's obviously the leader of
Speaker 1: the movement, the one who brought this to the national
Speaker 1: media and national press. But she was already involved, so
Speaker 1: I kind of would like to find out about that journey, right.
Speaker 1: Also want to hear what her finer points are in
Speaker 1: the case, because I have a feeling that she has
Speaker 1: some interesting things to say about the case, the trial
Speaker 1: and second trial. And then we're gonna we're gonna see
Speaker 1: if we can draw her out to do some to
Speaker 1: read Olivia's tweets and do a little bit of cab ridiculousness. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sounds straight to do, right you. Yeah, Yeah, you've been
Speaker 1: practicing an accent today. So we're gonna see if Meredith
Speaker 1: does any accents or if she just act a fool
Speaker 1: with us, because that'll be good enough. So without any
Speaker 1: further ado, if you would party people, please put your
Speaker 1: hands together.
Speaker 4: Grammared, Oh yeah, Mom's getting in there.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you guys are too nice. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for having me. You're gonna make me blush,
Speaker 2: but thank you for having me. And I apologize everybody
Speaker 2: out there for all the yellowness. I'm sure you probably
Speaker 2: recognize this background, and I now see why every time
Speaker 2: he's looking at him on YouTube, he's just yellow, just galore,
Speaker 2: just John the city, and I get it. Now we're
Speaker 2: at what we call mom and Dad's house, not his
Speaker 2: mom and dad, not my mom and dad. He's renting
Speaker 2: a house right now, just because he just about it
Speaker 2: of jail, and as we're thinking like a long term housing.
Speaker 2: He's renting a house from a guy who lives in California,
Speaker 2: his landlord, and when he comes home, he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's mom and Dad's room. Be careful of mom and
Speaker 2: Dad's hope chest. So we jokingly call it mom and
Speaker 2: Dad's house, and I thank you. The artifacts here the
Speaker 2: raggedy hand doll from his Higgins experiment. Yeah, just yellow lighting.
Speaker 2: Just it's like walking into like the seventies. If you
Speaker 2: ever looking for that experience, Yeah, so I am looking.
Speaker 1: I am looking for that experience. I'm going to relive
Speaker 1: my youth. I mean, I was born in sixty seven,
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying? What No way?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 1: I was I was born in sixty seven. I know
Speaker 1: you're like, how could someone his age act as foolish
Speaker 1: as he does. I don't know, it just comes natural.
Speaker 1: It just happens. So anyway, I am going to grow up.
Speaker 1: I just don't know when.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you for having me. I appreciated the
Speaker 2: intro one. The one thing that stuck out with how
Speaker 2: you described me, besides obviously what everybody knows me as
Speaker 2: his Turtle Boy's girlfriend is I appreciate you thinking funny
Speaker 2: because a lot of people on Twitter sometimes they don't
Speaker 2: get my sarcasm, and I do think it's come out
Speaker 2: a lot more since I first started tweeting too. Just
Speaker 2: now I just say things with like shocking news is
Speaker 2: my favorite one, and the people if you know, you
Speaker 2: know that I'm not I don't normal I don't. That's
Speaker 2: not like me being serious. It's me actually like being
Speaker 2: a parody of the Grants with all his parody account.
Speaker 2: That account is like the best parody out there. Grant
Speaker 2: smith Alis thinks that's me. I'm like, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for thinking that I'm that humorous. I wish I
Speaker 2: had that sense of humor and like the time because
Speaker 2: it has like thousands of tweets, but it's it's the
Speaker 2: funniest one and most believable one out there if anyone's
Speaker 2: looking for a good parody account. So I appreciate you
Speaker 2: calling me funny. That was like the biggest compliment from
Speaker 2: that intro. But thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, it is an honor. And so yeah, if
Speaker 1: you would, just because personally I'm interested and Beatrice is interested,
Speaker 1: and I think the audiences as well. Could we start
Speaker 1: off and just kind of tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about your background, with all respects to the fact that
Speaker 1: there are doctors out there, but what you can share.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean everybody already knows like my whole life.
Speaker 2: I'm on my own name on Twitter and stuff, so
Speaker 2: people have contacted my workplace. I've already been through all that.
Speaker 2: I'm a CPA. I work at I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say the name because I'm not for the record, I'm
Speaker 2: not acting on anything I say tonight. Isn't on behalf
Speaker 2: of that company that's out there that's been contacted by
Speaker 2: the trolls. I work at a large financial institution. I'll
Speaker 2: say that as a CPA. I'm a mom, which is
Speaker 2: the most important thing to me. Another person in my life,
Speaker 2: my daughter, who's been kind of dragged through the mud
Speaker 2: since I became I guess kind of more in the
Speaker 2: public eye, but that's the most important thing to me.
Speaker 2: I followed different true crime cases over the years, and
Speaker 2: I got into the Charite case mostly because I had
Speaker 2: followed Turtle Boy on and off, so like reading his
Speaker 2: articles on it was how I first found out about it.
Speaker 2: Just going back to the beginning. I didn't follow him
Speaker 2: like religiously. There were a few articles. Really it was
Speaker 2: like somebody in my town got written about and that's
Speaker 2: kind of how I found out about him. So yeah,
Speaker 2: So I was following the case pretty quickly, joined all
Speaker 2: Facebook groups following it, and then the very first standout
Speaker 2: I went to in Canton in November twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: resulted in a summons for felony minister intimidation. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I got I went from like reading the stories about
Speaker 2: this pretty quickly to being in the story about this
Speaker 2: within a matter of months. But I mean, the best
Speaker 2: thing is I've made some really great friends with it.
Speaker 2: Deanna Bobby Brad, Lauren Murray, Jenn Altman just to me
Speaker 2: a few. I know, I'm forgetting people, but just so
Speaker 2: many good friends I made from all of this that
Speaker 2: I speak to every day now. So yeah, Obviously the
Speaker 2: Canton nine thing happened, and that was one of the
Speaker 2: first times I actually ever spoke to Aiden was when
Speaker 2: that happened. He had messaged me about it, just some
Speaker 2: of like we were going over some of the court
Speaker 2: documents that came with it, the police report, and then
Speaker 2: talking about legal counsel for it. And one of the
Speaker 2: first things because he was talking about you in like
Speaker 2: a fundraiser for USh, and it was like, I'm just
Speaker 2: not comfortable, like I don't want to take away like
Speaker 2: resources from my Karen and your fund, but he did
Speaker 2: it anyway, So that was kind of like, It's funny
Speaker 2: I look back at our messages before anything, like before
Speaker 2: he went to jail and it's like strictly platonic. He
Speaker 2: was like, wow, you were like really just down to
Speaker 2: business when your messages with me, like you were very
Speaker 2: like it was not like flirting. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like why like when I mean, for all, I knew
Speaker 2: you were married, so I wasn't gonna go there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: So that was like the first time I really talked
Speaker 2: to him much, but it was against igly britonic. And
Speaker 2: then flash forward he went to jail and we were
Speaker 2: still just friends for like the first month or so
Speaker 2: we were talking. We would just talk about the case
Speaker 2: and everything and the hearings. I would play the hearings
Speaker 2: for him as they were happening while he was in jail,
Speaker 2: and I helped trade a couple of his blogs jail.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll tell you what one of them was. One
Speaker 2: on Mellow. If you go back to the big one
Speaker 2: on Mellow, that was one. I won't go or the
Speaker 2: other ones that I'm responsible for, but there's a good one.
Speaker 1: On Mellow, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a purpose A per little personal dig
Speaker 2: with him too. Was he was the one who called
Speaker 2: the police Ofice with the cant and nine and made
Speaker 2: me deal with all of that for months, so that
Speaker 2: kind of like came out in that one. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: we were just friends for a while just talking about
Speaker 2: the case and then just evolved.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that liked so well. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I want to like kind of find out like were
Speaker 1: you in high school? Were you kind of like into
Speaker 1: in school government. Were you an athlete? Were you an academic?
Speaker 1: So I want to get into that. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I was remiss in doing is we have a
Speaker 1: habit of saying hello to everybody that's in the chat
Speaker 1: because we want him to know like that they're kind
Speaker 1: of part of it, because they're gonna have questions for
Speaker 1: you and so forth. This evening. But first I want
Speaker 1: to recognize that we have some new members. So Lois Lane,
Speaker 1: what's up, homegirl? I love it you come here with
Speaker 1: your own wrench. It's like, yo, when I show up,
Speaker 1: I got some wrench, I got a wrench and YO chat.
Speaker 1: So thank you for becoming a member. This young lady too,
Speaker 1: I just chatted with today. Thank you Christina Rasmuthlin, You've
Speaker 1: been such a great friend. And also we have a
Speaker 1: new member, Amanda Welcome. Thank you being Venidos who else
Speaker 1: we got to say hi to here. We got a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people in here. There's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of love for Meredith in here. So I think Boston
Speaker 1: Brandy is here, my new and Dennis Sweeney the legend
Speaker 1: also another legend like you. Tima is here, Sherry Dizzle
Speaker 1: my mind. Hi, Sherry, Lauren, Lauren s welcome. I love
Speaker 1: those little hand things. Those little emojis are kind of
Speaker 1: really cool. And this one we've always got to use
Speaker 1: the accent for Mary Malachey. Come Marry mlackeys, so good
Speaker 1: to have you love. In case you didn't know that
Speaker 1: was my Irish accent. I've saved the applause to later
Speaker 1: soon sooner, al'ays Little Meredith agreed. And there's anybody also
Speaker 1: from out here in Colorado Lake me.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: One of our mods, one of our fore mods, Kelly
Speaker 1: uh Umba, Hello, i'mba Kelly, Stephie. What's up homegirl? I
Speaker 1: know you're with your son up there at Saint Jude's.
Speaker 1: Uh so one love to that. I hope everything works
Speaker 1: out well. Val hell Law is the official attorney of
Speaker 1: Calling All Beings. So she's a retired in Massachusetts attorney. Hello, Valhalla, Boston,
Speaker 1: Brandy Reference Elia and this is RB. You know I
Speaker 1: like RB. I don't know if I like it better
Speaker 1: with like the barbecue saucer or the cheese on it,
Speaker 1: but I'm with you. Uh. And there is Chante's Inferno
Speaker 1: a new member, Hello, Ruby c. And everybody knows this
Speaker 1: girl because she a superstar in the movement. Right there, SD,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see you at the Meal of Food SD
Speaker 1: January twelfth, Dedham Tavern on the Square. I'll be the
Speaker 1: guy with the shiny shirt as you would imagine. What's
Speaker 1: this one? Moofy moofy loops movie loops? Hi, Meredith, Hi,
Speaker 1: And I think this is what you're talking about you
Speaker 1: right here?
Speaker 3: Oh ah?
Speaker 1: And rocker chick, so you got to do the rocker thing?
Speaker 1: Come on?
Speaker 2: Then, oh my god, Aiden was doing that the other
Speaker 2: night on New Year's Eve. Was three or four dance
Speaker 2: moves like that, and then it is the money thing
Speaker 2: were a new one the other night. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you saw any of the glares. I just I
Speaker 2: finally brought myself to watching it because I was like
Speaker 2: just secondhand embarrassment just watching myself because I had a
Speaker 2: few drinks too. But he was like doing this one too, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's.
Speaker 6: It's always when I cycled it back right like you know,
Speaker 6: just kind of his four steps and then took it
Speaker 6: back to the beginning.
Speaker 2: He started he really you started doing this. I was like,
Speaker 2: don't ever do that again.
Speaker 1: You know what, maybe though, during this upcoming weekend that
Speaker 1: we're gonna be maybe we can get him up to
Speaker 1: five dance moves. Like if he can go from three
Speaker 1: or four up to five, I call that a win.
Speaker 6: You know, because instructor I can help with this.
Speaker 3: I can choreograph him a number.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm afraid to dance in front of
Speaker 1: you over at the Tavern on the Square because I
Speaker 1: feel like you're gonna make no DJ it doesn't look.
Speaker 3: Cool, no, But so we have to do it together.
Speaker 3: So like you know, I would.
Speaker 6: It's a choreographed song, so it would. You wouldn't feel
Speaker 6: awkward because you don't have to make up your own
Speaker 6: dance moves. It's part of the song.
Speaker 2: So okay, dancing, there's gonna be dancing.
Speaker 6: No, No, he's just I don't know what he thinks
Speaker 6: Tavern on the Square is, but you know.
Speaker 1: Whatever, dancing is wherever you feel like it. Right, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm sure someone will have some right prehistoric let me
Speaker 1: turn off my prehistoric man dance in front of a
Speaker 1: fire with no music, so you know, all right, I
Speaker 1: think we've got just every everybody, So now we can
Speaker 1: get onto the business. Somebody did make us a I
Speaker 1: wanted someone made us? Oh it is hi DJ. Did
Speaker 1: you hear me on Tom and Mike? What you went on?
Speaker 1: Tom and Mike's I didn't get to hear your men
Speaker 1: Cunian accent. Christine Mitchell is one of our viewers from
Speaker 1: Manchester in England and they have an amazing accent. So no, Christine,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it. But I want to hear your
Speaker 1: voice on this show because I love the man CuNi
Speaker 1: and accent. It is one of my favorite in all
Speaker 1: of the UK. So all right, now it's time to
Speaker 1: get down to Meredith business. Right here. We done did
Speaker 1: enough of this. So Meredith, what so were you in
Speaker 1: high school? You were involved in student government? Were you
Speaker 1: an athlete? Were you an academic like? Were you a musician?
Speaker 1: What was your thing?
Speaker 2: I wasn't involved in student government. I I did cheerleading
Speaker 2: and then I played softball too. I mean I got
Speaker 2: like decent enough grades. I wasn't like a's and b's.
Speaker 2: I wasn't like an all a student, but I did
Speaker 2: well enough. I mean, but I didn't really find, like
Speaker 2: get really interested in academics until I went into college
Speaker 2: and then grad school. To be honest, I mean, I like,
Speaker 2: without really trying much, I got a's and b's. Like
Speaker 2: looking back, I'm like, wow, if I really actually cared
Speaker 2: in high school and tried, I could have gotten street a's.
Speaker 2: I could have gotten this on the SATs and like,
Speaker 2: but I mean, everything happens for a reason. Obviously I
Speaker 2: would never redo anything. But it's like now I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like my daughter just refreshion year high school, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I wish I had just like pushed
Speaker 2: a little harder, and you won't regret it, Like so's
Speaker 2: She's a much better student than I am, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if I could have gone back and
Speaker 1: done it better, it would have. You know, I would
Speaker 1: have tried to, I would have worked harder. I really
Speaker 1: didn't realize that really coming to Massachusetts, going to Dean College,
Speaker 1: that really kind of is where I figured that I
Speaker 1: could achieve in academics. But before that, I really really
Speaker 1: didn't know how how well I could do. And then
Speaker 1: after that that kind of carried me to my whole
Speaker 1: Air Force career with all the different tests and courses
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I'm with you, some people
Speaker 1: don't realize that quite as young. But if you got
Speaker 1: a's and b's, I think you still did pretty damn
Speaker 1: good as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I didn't really apply myself
Speaker 2: or I shook a bunch of VP tests though. That's
Speaker 2: why I actually ended up finishing college in three years,
Speaker 2: even though I took a semester off. So yeah, because
Speaker 2: I had my daughter, so I was like motivated finish early.
Speaker 2: But I took I took like a lot of AP
Speaker 2: classes in high school my junior senior year, and I
Speaker 2: would get like b's in the classes, but I got
Speaker 2: fours and fives on the exam, so I got a
Speaker 2: bunch of college But it was helpful though, because it
Speaker 2: got a bunch of college credits that I had like
Speaker 2: almost like over like almost three quarters of a year
Speaker 2: to college don just from AP credits. So it was
Speaker 2: that was a good thing that So so I encourage
Speaker 2: other people, I don't know if that's still how it works,
Speaker 2: like if that college is still except that these days,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's it's changed since I was
Speaker 2: in high school in two thousand and eight, But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 1: I think people they still do that. I think kids
Speaker 1: are doing that, and they're also doing some of them
Speaker 1: do college while they're in high school as well and
Speaker 1: knock out a whole bunch of credits. So it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: I wish I was that cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's good because yeah, I mean I tell
Speaker 2: my daughter too, because I mean, most professions now you
Speaker 2: do need to get a graduate degree. So I had
Speaker 2: to get like I got two master's degrees for my job,
Speaker 2: and I went to you Master undergrad which was great
Speaker 2: because I saved a lot of money going for that
Speaker 2: because then I went to Northeastern for grad school. So
Speaker 2: it's like, I encourage anybody unless it's a really specialized
Speaker 2: program like for engineering or something for undergrad. I just
Speaker 2: I don't know. I encourage like kids going to college
Speaker 2: these days not to take out like hundreds of thousand
Speaker 2: dollars in loans for undergrad because the chances are you're
Speaker 2: going to have to go to grad school eventually. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how how you guys, we do have amazing.
Speaker 6: Community colleges here in Massachusetts too, and that's you know
Speaker 6: there there's.
Speaker 3: A dime a dozen here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to go to college and you
Speaker 2: want to do a trade too, that's always something good.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I just I have a lot
Speaker 2: of friends who graduated from my year who are still
Speaker 2: paying off like so much in loans and they got
Speaker 2: like their cheap. Some of them are teachers and they're
Speaker 2: they're not making like what they need to pay them off.
Speaker 2: So I just I wouldn't encourage anybody young now graduate
Speaker 2: unless your parents can can pay for it, to go
Speaker 2: into dent for for undergrad Yeah.
Speaker 1: When when I was assistant coach for kids jiu Jitsu
Speaker 1: at Gracie Baja, I got to know a lot of
Speaker 1: the parents, so these discussions came up, and I just
Speaker 1: told him, in my opinion, having already completed an Air
Speaker 1: Force career and was working in industry, I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't need to send your kid to an IVY League
Speaker 1: school for them to get hired and get a great job.
Speaker 1: You're going to spend a lot of money and there
Speaker 1: are many, many, many, many colleges across just in the
Speaker 1: state of Massachusetts, not even talking you know, now we
Speaker 1: start talking about the entire country where your child can
Speaker 1: get a great education from grade school, go get hired,
Speaker 1: and you're like dying and you're going to just kill
Speaker 1: yourself to get them to an IVY League college for what?
Speaker 1: So you can tell your friends like, yeah, grow from
Speaker 1: you know, come on.
Speaker 2: Ivy League though the networking opportunity he's there or kind
Speaker 2: of that, I think to me is worth that's the money,
Speaker 2: to be honest. I mean, but like for in my situation,
Speaker 2: I got in besides you mass I got into Northeastern
Speaker 2: Providence College, Stonehill, all of those, and it was like,
Speaker 2: I don't my parents were they they would have done it,
Speaker 2: but I mean then they probably wouldn't have had money
Speaker 2: to help with grad school. So it's like, now a'l
Speaker 2: be in a situation similar situation with Alis. She's thicking.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, here's the amount of money I have
Speaker 2: saved for you if you don't want to take out
Speaker 2: loans of your own, like, this is what you can
Speaker 2: use for grad school versus UMass So like a school
Speaker 2: like the ones I got into. It just wasn't worth
Speaker 2: it for me to spend significantly more money and go
Speaker 2: into debt than going to you Mass. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I have a couple of friends who went
Speaker 2: to Harvard, and I don't think they have any regrets
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 1: Not to say there's regret. It all depends on what
Speaker 1: your financial solvency is. But I'll say this, I'd say
Speaker 1: to them, Hey, you know, I could go to the
Speaker 1: Air Force Academy or west I have one friend, she's
Speaker 1: a single mom. She has a daughter at West Point.
Speaker 1: She has a at the Air Force Academy, so she's
Speaker 1: paying zero tuition and and they're like, yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want my child to be in
Speaker 1: the military. I'm like, let me tell you something. Every
Speaker 1: single job I've got and I only have a bachelor's degree,
Speaker 1: I don't even have master's and I am employ I'm
Speaker 1: so employable. And every single job I've gotten after I
Speaker 1: retired is as a result of the network from my service.
Speaker 1: I'll call that. I'll take down against Harvard or Yale
Speaker 1: any day, because it's not only me. It's like when
Speaker 1: I worked. I work in Air Force Special Operations Command, headquarters,
Speaker 1: every single person there was in the Air Force, So.
Speaker 2: I would be. I would be super proud if one
Speaker 2: of my kids joined the military. I mean, I knowing
Speaker 2: my daughter who I have now forgets that would never happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, she doesn't even like to clean her room.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. She's just super girly. She wouldn't she
Speaker 2: wouldn't survive, and that just would never happen. But I'd
Speaker 2: be if I have a son someday, I'd be super proud.
Speaker 1: My Just for reference, my father said the same thing
Speaker 1: about me. I didn't like to clean my room. I
Speaker 1: didn't like to be away from home. And when I
Speaker 1: waved goodbye at Fort Hamilton and Brooklyn and went off,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm ready for this adventure and that was
Speaker 1: it and I never looked back. So you never I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, you know your child should be in the military,
Speaker 1: but you never know because I was not the prototype
Speaker 1: to do it, and I just I loved it. I
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to get into what I
Speaker 1: do now, but you kind of know from our conversation
Speaker 1: that we had in Halloween, so I'll just leave it
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: But I remember, but I mean Halloween party was I
Speaker 2: definitely had a few drinks that night. Yeah, we purposely
Speaker 2: we ubered that night so that we could like both
Speaker 2: have well. He was definitely like Aiden was like on it.
Speaker 2: He was likely I think this sums up perfectly for
Speaker 2: the Holly party. He was like shoving like his face
Speaker 2: with croutons and like cheese the salad at like when
Speaker 2: everybody was leaving, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, the pizza was so good. Dope too, man,
Speaker 1: the pizza was great. The salad was great. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: the hell out of that food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walsh, she was amazing and doing all the planning
Speaker 2: and I like I had just done a trivia ed
Speaker 2: Freeden his last fund raiser, and I was like running
Speaker 2: around like a crazy person, like doing all the questions
Speaker 2: and planning it so like the Halloween party less than
Speaker 2: a month away. Like she just did everything and I
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, I love you right now. I
Speaker 2: would have done it too, because we committed doing it.
Speaker 2: But like I didn't have to do barely anything. I
Speaker 2: shod to buy stuff and giving and credit card for stuff,
Speaker 2: and like it was I was able to enjoy myself.
Speaker 2: I wasn't running around like at trivia. So Erica Walsh
Speaker 2: aget in.
Speaker 1: Fake You, Thank you Erica Walsh.
Speaker 2: Big boots on the ground. She's there and everything. She's
Speaker 2: there almost every day of the trial. Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if I got to meet her,
Speaker 1: but hopefully on one of these next couple of trips
Speaker 1: that are going to be gonna do to Massachusetts, I'd
Speaker 1: be remiss because she's in the chat and she knows
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, So let's let no not her.
Speaker 1: I mean this, this young lady right here, so let's
Speaker 1: give it him. She knows what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Alive yet now in the bedding, can I.
Speaker 2: Get a man?
Speaker 1: She knows what's gonna happen. She knows what's coming, So
Speaker 1: you know it's okay.
Speaker 6: Miss Jessica, Miss Jessica, and b is feeling a little slighted.
Speaker 6: She says, can you tell DJ he forgot he forgot
Speaker 6: me and he is no longer beautiful?
Speaker 1: So what is all the beautifuls are gonna go to
Speaker 1: Beatrice and Meredith and none to me?
Speaker 6: What? And then she also wants Meredith's hair and hair
Speaker 6: smiling tips.
Speaker 1: All right, first of all, hello and Bezy, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I forgot you. Love I I kind of did this
Speaker 1: backwards and as a host sometimes I make mistakes, but
Speaker 1: you know I love you. Go ahead with haircare tips please.
Speaker 2: I'm just I mean, I have like the straightest bland
Speaker 2: hair ever. I just wash it a few times, we
Speaker 2: can brush it, that's it. And then I don't even
Speaker 2: blow dry it because like I don't have the time.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's like the one easy thing I
Speaker 2: was gifted.
Speaker 1: With, yeah, is good hair.
Speaker 6: You knew what I had to do with my curly
Speaker 6: hair to get it to look this way.
Speaker 3: It's literally what if I wish.
Speaker 2: I had curly hair, because I like, I'll curl it
Speaker 2: or I'll wave it and it stays for like a
Speaker 2: couple hours and then it's just flat. It's just I
Speaker 2: wish everybody wants it. They don't, they don't have. I
Speaker 2: wish I didn't have dead straight hair.
Speaker 5: But speaking of hair, excuse me, everybody, I'll be okay, okay, uh.
Speaker 1: Getting getting back into it. So are you gonna are
Speaker 1: you gonna engage? We're gonna read some of Olivia's tweets tonight.
Speaker 1: Uh after we you know, get through the interview part
Speaker 1: and we're gonna use I want, like, if you could
Speaker 1: use your most theatrical voice, if you do any accents?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you down for this kind of cab ridiculousness?
Speaker 2: I mean, Charlie, the only accident I ever done. This
Speaker 2: was actually funny. By freshman year of college, with my roommate,
Speaker 2: we convinced this guy for a couple guys actually at
Speaker 2: a frat party that I was an exchange student from
Speaker 2: London because I was speaking and I was like, hello, bobbit,
Speaker 2: and I convinced him that I was from London and
Speaker 2: I wasn't from the United States. But I won't. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna.
Speaker 2: Yes you can. Olivia is amazing tweets like that with.
Speaker 6: That acohol.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would sound so dope. Man, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I can't do it.
Speaker 3: To her, Oh you might. He might win, like Ken's mom.
Speaker 1: She would. I yeah, she would.
Speaker 3: I think she got it.
Speaker 6: I think yeah, because I was in the house and
Speaker 6: she says, can you reenact her popping off at the club?
Speaker 1: Where are we at? Where we're at here?
Speaker 3: Auntie? So two minutes ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't see it. There it is is it?
Speaker 1: It's not this one, okay?
Speaker 2: Is it? Oh? Boy? Are people fighting?
Speaker 3: No? No, she just because I.
Speaker 1: Think we're down for any kind of reenactments that that
Speaker 1: you're willing to do. If you're willing to like do
Speaker 1: some sort of theatrical thing, I'm all over it, man,
Speaker 1: dig it.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen the original video were speaking
Speaker 2: of you?
Speaker 1: I saw them.
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, Olivia is down for you to read her
Speaker 1: tweets with an accent. Man, I think this is done. Man,
Speaker 1: we got to do this right. You gotta do this.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a try. I don't want to put
Speaker 2: Journey retweets like side note though she was one of
Speaker 2: the first people I followed on Twitter when I joined well,
Speaker 2: I mean tech technically, I've made my account in two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, but I didn't really do anything with
Speaker 2: it until like the fall of around the time I
Speaker 2: got charged with the Canton Night They're not charged, but
Speaker 2: the summon saying. I really liked the idea that I
Speaker 2: could tag like Can't and Peedee and Helena Rafferty in
Speaker 2: my tweets, So I just joined and just started going
Speaker 2: a little crazy, tagging them about their antics in the
Speaker 2: fall of twenty twenty three and then there. But Olivia
Speaker 2: is one of the first people that I followed and
Speaker 2: loved her tweets. And it's funny a lot of people,
Speaker 2: like before people knew who she was, they would a
Speaker 2: few times I got accused of being her. They were like,
Speaker 2: here that oliviaccount. I was like, pill, but thank you
Speaker 2: for the compliment. Generally totally yeah, yeah, she's a naz.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wish I wish she would. I wish somebody
Speaker 1: would accuse me of being Olivia. I ended up transcribing
Speaker 1: her so the other night she ended up coming into
Speaker 1: the show and really helped me out because we want
Speaker 1: to talk about Richard Green and sort of his efficacy
Speaker 1: as a as a witness in the trial, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, absurd that he wouldn't be a hey mas
Speaker 1: of me. What's up? Mark? So what ended up happening
Speaker 1: is she gave me her tweet some documentation via DM
Speaker 1: that I could read, and then she ended up going
Speaker 1: over and giving me three things that she thinks that
Speaker 1: they should focus on for the next trial. So I
Speaker 1: transcribe those today and I put them in an email
Speaker 1: for him on a word doc and then send him
Speaker 1: to David Ynetti's office, because don't you think like they
Speaker 1: should be watching all six hours of her Melanie little
Speaker 1: appearances and referencing that. What do you think about that.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling they probably are. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I'm a feeling they're reading her tweets for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I think they are too. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to just make sure, and I mentioned in there,
Speaker 1: I said, beyond what what I've given you, there's you know,
Speaker 1: just recently, there's probably on the order of six hours
Speaker 1: of of things that you know, that things that that
Speaker 1: her and Melanie highlighted for one another, that you know,
Speaker 1: you would want to have that in your toolbox because
Speaker 1: you can. You can never have too many tools in
Speaker 1: your toolbox. You know, you just never know it could
Speaker 1: be that one thing that turns the jury, especially when
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bias judge, right and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have this guy now Hank Brennan of trying to like
Speaker 1: discredit every really credible witnesses.
Speaker 2: Speaking of bias judges, I was actually saying this to
Speaker 2: eight in the other year. I was like, I'd be
Speaker 2: curious to go back to some of Ontiebve's other trials
Speaker 2: and see, like, do they do this for every single
Speaker 2: defense witness? Is a standard? I don't think so. It's
Speaker 2: like usually I think you typically handle a resume of
Speaker 2: an expert and it's like, Okay, they're qualified. They're not
Speaker 2: picking apart and making all of these people flyings. Otherwise
Speaker 2: trials would last months and how would things get That
Speaker 2: would just seems like so things would be such astronomical
Speaker 2: cost wise, Like, I hope they're not doing this for
Speaker 2: every single trial, for every single defense witness. I hope, Like,
Speaker 2: but I'd be curious to look back at specifically Auntie
Speaker 2: Bev's other trials if she's done this, how many she's
Speaker 2: required for them to have waterars? If the Commonwealth the
Speaker 2: other eights on those cases are even asking to do
Speaker 2: these wartiers, but if she's granting them specifically, it'd be
Speaker 2: interesting to go back and look. But it just seems
Speaker 2: like that's what they're going to do for every single witness,
Speaker 2: is the point, and that's if that's like his only
Speaker 2: strategy at this point, then clearly they're in trouble. I'm
Speaker 2: wondering when he's going to get to the point where
Speaker 2: he's like, what did I get myself into but I
Speaker 2: don't know. He's going pretty hard, and I still wonder
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like why he signed
Speaker 2: up for especially for the money, Like it's not clearly
Speaker 2: he's not in it for the money. I recently spoke
Speaker 2: to one of my friends and I guess she had
Speaker 2: him at Suffolk Law off for professor and she was like,
Speaker 2: he was really cool. I'm so shocked he's doing this,
Speaker 2: and she thinks the only reason is to get I get,
Speaker 2: I guess like the notoriety of it, but I mean
Speaker 2: it's not going to be really good, good notoriety.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I still just wondering if I lose s team, similar
Speaker 2: to how Lally did at one point in the trial.
Speaker 1: So I have said that I don't believe that contract
Speaker 1: for one thing, That contract is nothing more than someone
Speaker 1: printed up a word doc and gave it to you.
Speaker 1: We don't know that that's all the money, that that's
Speaker 1: all the money that he's going to be paid, or
Speaker 1: if there's not another revenue stream that they're going to
Speaker 1: give him money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's where I we'll have to do
Speaker 2: some foyas for sure about what's actually built. I mean
Speaker 2: we know he could he that's probably just for him,
Speaker 2: but he does have like another pair of legal that
Speaker 2: we see, or to a couple several pair of legals
Speaker 2: that are sitting in court. I was just like thinking,
Speaker 2: because somebody who wasn't on the trial the first time,
Speaker 2: just the hours alone for getting caught up, like for
Speaker 2: him is gonna well exceed what the hour leaders seventy
Speaker 2: five dollars cap. It's just like he's obviously not in
Speaker 2: it for the money, but I'm sure it's good costing
Speaker 2: more than the seventy five thousand. It looks like he
Speaker 2: has a couple apparently goes already in there. Bill is
Speaker 2: gonna probably they'll probably end up getting day more than
Speaker 2: he is, to be honest with all their hours.
Speaker 1: Well, I I first of all, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: believe that that document. I don't believe that's always getting
Speaker 1: I just just patently just don't. First of all, I
Speaker 1: every you know, like the people that know me know
Speaker 1: me that I see the best in everybody. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a peacemaker, kind of a dude. I'm not the
Speaker 1: kind of person that's really really cynical, But when it
Speaker 1: comes to these players here, I don't believe anything they say.
Speaker 1: So if Morrisy says something, if the trooper says something,
Speaker 1: if the canton ped says something, if anybody associated with
Speaker 1: the persecution, I don't believe anything they say. So that
Speaker 1: document that says seventy five grand, on its face, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't believe that it's seventy five
Speaker 1: grand because has a contract.
Speaker 2: Too, and he's well exceeded his original contract even though
Speaker 2: he's been MIA for a while. That's reminds me I
Speaker 2: should do another new FOI for like all the stuff
Speaker 2: that they paid Cosgrove now, and then they have a
Speaker 2: guy Novak who showed up for one hearing and he
Speaker 2: was paid twenty thousand dollars, like to do what so
Speaker 2: Cosgroves too, Like when I adicially got his contract, he
Speaker 2: so it was something really low, like thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: But he's already shown up for more things than Mellows.
Speaker 2: So it's like something the math isn't mathing here, like
Speaker 2: some he's I'm sure he's gotten more other payments, or
Speaker 2: he hired another friendly PI like that he grew up with,
Speaker 2: like Mellow did. I don't know. It's just bizarre why
Speaker 2: anybody whould want to take on any of these these cases.
Speaker 2: And like they never end up paying, right, they never
Speaker 2: end up paying what they originally agreed to. There's always
Speaker 2: more contracts and they get paid more and more. So
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's the same case here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you do you want to read this one?
Speaker 1: Via from our official attorney.
Speaker 6: Olivia's list is important because the Commonwealth is snowing out
Speaker 6: so much crap at the wall. The defense needs to
Speaker 6: pick a few important points and hammer them in and
Speaker 6: hammer them.
Speaker 3: Sorry I added the.
Speaker 1: End, Yeah, exactly because it it. You know, the last time,
Speaker 1: I think some of the attorneys like a better own
Speaker 1: Brother Counsel and some other attorneys that I heard speak
Speaker 1: about it, just thought it was too much of sort
Speaker 1: of us of, you know, trying to convict the Mcalberts
Speaker 1: of it when they weren't on trial, and it really
Speaker 1: should be more focused on reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, reasonable
Speaker 1: doubt and what that standard is. So you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't mind, I don't mind being critical because I
Speaker 1: love these guys. I think they're amazing. But no matter,
Speaker 1: it's like when we're flying missions. Even the greatest part,
Speaker 1: you know, We're always going to critique one another after
Speaker 1: a mission, even even if the mission went off great,
Speaker 1: there's always going to be something that you can look
Speaker 1: at and go, oh, I could have done that better.
Speaker 1: And if you're not open to that, you know, chances
Speaker 1: are you're you're probably sitting at home, you know, not working.
Speaker 1: But let me and Nick Rocco's here, Hi, Nick, how
Speaker 1: are you there? Uh? And we've also got one from
Speaker 1: Olivia here and then they're a response me, fucking I
Speaker 1: think I started. Okay, it's just right here exactly. Meredith.
Speaker 1: Hank Brettan is insulting Judge BIV with each one of
Speaker 1: these motions too, as he's essentially saying, you made a
Speaker 1: mistake in your prior ruling and I know better well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that would be really nice if
Speaker 1: she took it that way. But she's taking it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go team, that's probably what she's thinking.
Speaker 2: Did anyone who was allowed in the first Child's like
Speaker 2: the circumstances haven't changed her resident, her experience hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: So it's it's you're right, that's that's another good point,
Speaker 2: Like it's saying that.
Speaker 6: And thank this chime in to say the chat was
Speaker 6: talking about fundraising, and I just want to mention that
Speaker 6: Nurse Kim for her birthday, she put out a challenge
Speaker 6: yesterday that if everybody donates three dollars and ninety cents
Speaker 6: to Karen's Defend Defense fund, she's going to live for
Speaker 6: her birthday, leave her a little birthday note on there,
Speaker 6: and on her birthday on the twelve, at two o'clock,
Speaker 6: she's going to go live and go through and read
Speaker 6: all the messages and for for all the donations.
Speaker 3: She's hoping to raise thirty nine.
Speaker 6: So I just want to spread the word and I
Speaker 6: hope that we can get her to that goal for
Speaker 6: Nurse Kim's birthday.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, thank you. I think she's beat
Speaker 1: that already. Go ahead, just made a.
Speaker 2: Note to do it and then also like share retweet
Speaker 2: the thing to do it.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. Bia, You're awesome. No problem,
Speaker 1: Olivia says the same thing.
Speaker 7: Simply, there's no way possible for Brennan to get caught
Speaker 7: up review the.
Speaker 1: First trial with the current contract makes no sense. That's
Speaker 1: my dowag, your countess one, how'd you like that? Is that?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 6: Mereda?
Speaker 2: I loved that, which Countess.
Speaker 1: From from Downton Abbey. I never watch you remember, well,
Speaker 1: you see if you've seen Harry Potter and you saw
Speaker 1: Professor McGonagall was, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Exactly what that is, like the older woman British accent
Speaker 2: like I love it.
Speaker 1: And Ken Hathaway's here, Ken Hathaway from Nottingham, England. He's
Speaker 1: one of our. We've got a couple of Brits that
Speaker 1: are here like every time, and Ken and Ken from
Speaker 1: Nottingham and Christine from Christine from Manchester. But I sound
Speaker 1: a little bit more like I'm talking from a scouse
Speaker 1: accent from Liverpool. All right, go ahead, Beatrice, because I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I've been hogging up all the questions.
Speaker 6: Oh it's fine, And I don't know how going back
Speaker 6: to hanky panky, I don't know how he wasn't embarrassed.
Speaker 3: A few times he mentioned that he hadn't seen the first.
Speaker 6: Trial, Like don't you think that was a little like,
Speaker 6: I don't know how those words came out of his mouth.
Speaker 3: Any thoughts, Meredith when you heard him say that.
Speaker 2: Sorry, one second, I just got like a weird thing.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see any of the chat and okay, sorry,
Speaker 2: we just got a little I'm not I'm not good
Speaker 2: at youtubing, like my boyfriend unfortunately, Sorry, well sorry, what
Speaker 2: did you just say?
Speaker 6: So I was just saying, like the few times we've
Speaker 6: seen Hank Brannon, all of a sudden, he's standing there saying,
Speaker 6: I didn't watch the trial, Like don't you think that's
Speaker 6: a little embarrassing for those words to come out of
Speaker 6: his mouth?
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, he's such a kiss. I haven't
Speaker 2: gotten quite a fillip of watching the entirety of the
Speaker 2: whole trial, like I expect to be caught up by
Speaker 2: this time or something like okay, bro, But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure he probably did. I mean I
Speaker 2: didn't watch the entire thing of the trial, to be honest.
Speaker 2: I mean I like, I had to work obviously during
Speaker 2: the day, so I listened to obviously the highlights I
Speaker 2: listened to some days, like I listened if I was
Speaker 2: like working out or something, and so, I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess it's believable, but he knows the gist of things,
Speaker 2: so like he knows he knows like what he's getting
Speaker 2: into obviously. I mean I feel like this is why,
Speaker 2: like it's gonna take probably three months to find a
Speaker 2: journey this time. Maybe not three months, that's an exaggerage,
Speaker 2: but it's gonna take a long time. Like you, I
Speaker 2: don't know how you don't. I don't know anybody who
Speaker 2: hasn't heard of the trial at least or heard stuff
Speaker 2: about it, to be honest. It's like the biggest thing
Speaker 2: every day, like it was on the front page of
Speaker 2: the Herald, something new with the trial almost every day.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't. I mean, I believe that he
Speaker 2: hasn't listened to the whole trial, but he knows the
Speaker 2: just it is. He's just gonna blame like anything that
Speaker 2: he's not aware of on not having listened to the
Speaker 2: whole trial yet. But I mean doesn't matter. He has
Speaker 2: lally still with him, So another like govern another Ada
Speaker 2: that's going to be like his full time is going
Speaker 2: to be devoted to this trial again clearly the one
Speaker 2: LA McLaughlin. And then they're also paying him now, so
Speaker 2: like he should they should be, their job should be
Speaker 2: if they're still going to be on this full time.
Speaker 2: Is catching him up on that, I mean other than
Speaker 2: getting his water and everything or his lemonade, but it's
Speaker 2: doing yeah, carrying is his binders, like that's what they
Speaker 2: should be doing is catching up. That shouldn't be because
Speaker 2: you know, if like if Karen's lawyers and something like that,
Speaker 2: they were up to speed on it, she'd be like,
Speaker 2: that's unacceptable. Take the red Eye, like goodbye.
Speaker 3: That here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Look such a towny moron this right here. I just
Speaker 1: want to say, thank you, Kelly. Kelly ar mod is
Speaker 1: now a member. Thank you for gifting five memberships. Kelly,
Speaker 1: she's one of our mods and she's gifting memberships. Thank you. Love.
Speaker 1: And what I was going to say is that I
Speaker 1: also am very skeptical about that whole issue as well.
Speaker 1: I said when he was hired there was a lot
Speaker 1: of discussion about, oh, you know, he might see the
Speaker 1: evidence and dismiss the case. He may realize that the
Speaker 1: fix is in and that that they're not really trying
Speaker 1: to establish the truth. They're merely trying to prosecute slash
Speaker 1: persecute Karen Reid, but they really have nothing. And I
Speaker 1: laughed at that because Morrissey, as much of a jackass
Speaker 1: as he is, he will have sat down with this
Speaker 1: man and laid out the case for him and had
Speaker 1: been assured with a hundred percent certainty when he walked
Speaker 1: away from that table that he was going to see
Speaker 1: this prosecution through to the finish line, and that little
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars contract is a public relations thing
Speaker 1: in order to not tell the public, you know what,
Speaker 1: we might spend half a million dollars on this guy
Speaker 1: by the time the trial's over.
Speaker 2: That's what I said. I was like when aiden said
Speaker 2: that to you about He's like, he's smart. He's not
Speaker 2: gonna be like, no, there's no way he was he
Speaker 2: was letting this guy into this if he wasn't fully
Speaker 2: on board with going through to the end. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: there's no fucking way. So that's why, Like at first
Speaker 2: it was like, what does like Morrissey or whoever have
Speaker 2: on this guy that he's like forcing him, Like does
Speaker 2: he owe him a fever or something that he's making
Speaker 2: him do this crap like because it's clearly not for
Speaker 2: the money. I mean, it's I guess getting your nailt there,
Speaker 2: but it's not in a good way. Especially it's not
Speaker 2: a normal path to take, being like he was a prosecutor,
Speaker 2: right and then he was a defense attorney. Like going
Speaker 2: back again, similar to like this odd path that Cosgrove
Speaker 2: has taken. He was a judge, retired, and then now
Speaker 2: he's coming out of retirement after he's still getting over
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars a year in pension, unless he
Speaker 2: has like some gambling addition that he really needs this
Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars from doing Aiden's case. Like I can't imagine,
Speaker 2: Like it's just not a normal path to be a
Speaker 2: judge and then go back to being an assistant district attorney.
Speaker 2: It's like he was probably an ada when he started
Speaker 2: his career and then he was a maybe he didn't
Speaker 2: just attorney. It's like either you do that if you're
Speaker 2: really good, or judge or private practice. And he was
Speaker 2: a judge, so it's a superior court judge. So it's like,
Speaker 2: why is this guy coming out of retirement to do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't get it at all, unless he's really friendly
Speaker 2: with somebody and we don't know about who he's friends
Speaker 2: with and he's doing a favor. Again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. But I just have to
Speaker 1: think that he thinks he looks at it Cosgo looks
Speaker 1: at it as a challenge. But Betterro seems to have
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in him, in in his jurisprudence
Speaker 1: and his ethics, and he has no confidence in the
Speaker 1: ethics of Mellow, which we all know. So I think
Speaker 1: better O respects him, So for whatever that's worth, I
Speaker 1: think I think it's going to be a more ethical,
Speaker 1: at least trial against Aid rather than some pack who's
Speaker 1: trying to bend the rules and calling the police and
Speaker 1: telling him, you know, hey, you need to show up there.
Speaker 1: I'm the you know, special prosecute. I can't remember that
Speaker 1: phone call.
Speaker 2: All the rules that Mellow broke, all the ethical rules
Speaker 2: that he broke, that's basically gotten him disqualified without being
Speaker 2: showing up to his disqualifies hearing because he's been mia.
Speaker 2: That won't happen with him because he was a judge.
Speaker 2: He knows like he's smarter than Mellow. He knows things
Speaker 2: a lot, he knows the rules a lot better. That
Speaker 2: being said, if you read some of his recent filings,
Speaker 2: the sarcasm he has, he clearly is now like as
Speaker 2: not as much I guess, not as much enthusiasm as
Speaker 2: Mellow did with taking Dan, but he's he's into it now.
Speaker 2: If you read some of the things he'll some of
Speaker 2: his his motions recently, he'd be like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: the grass is green, but that doesn't mean that you
Speaker 2: can be all blue. I don't know. He just needs
Speaker 2: his snark in some of his motions, like I don't
Speaker 2: he's he's he's already like in it clearly. But yeah, No,
Speaker 2: in terms of ethics, it's more I think because he
Speaker 2: he knows things more from being a judge than than Mellow,
Speaker 2: to be honest, But I mean, I don't think morally
Speaker 2: he's really that much higher than Melow because he wouldn't
Speaker 2: be taking his case. And I wonder again why he's
Speaker 2: coming out of retirement to take on this case for
Speaker 2: such little money.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, Bia. I think I
Speaker 1: think that competition has something to do with it. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys are like athletes. You know, if you're a
Speaker 1: basketball player, you want to play against the best basketball players.
Speaker 1: You want to play in the highest you know, league,
Speaker 1: and competition you have. You know, that's kind of why
Speaker 1: they you know, in the case of the persecution, why
Speaker 1: they brought in Brannan, somebody they perceive as their ringer.
Speaker 1: And in the case of Cosgrove, I assume that you
Speaker 1: know that he wants to try to compete against Bradle
Speaker 1: and now better Row so and he maybe now he
Speaker 1: feels more like the fact that Bero has written all
Speaker 1: his letters. I think that emboldened him, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean I love that Beto wrote those letters and got
Speaker 1: that information, but I think that would engender more of
Speaker 1: a competitive spirit.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, that could be it. I
Speaker 2: mean probably yeah. I mean, he really started going with
Speaker 2: the snark once he was responding to the better letters.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's honestly, maybe he's just a board retired man
Speaker 2: and he's just like this is like like his new hobby.
Speaker 2: He's like into this. I don't know, that's the only thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, I was higher for this job to go
Speaker 2: against you, and whether or not I believe in it,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to respond with with snark back. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: too much about about it either, to just close to
Speaker 2: the situation. I don't wanna. Yeah, I mean, everything I've
Speaker 2: discussed so far is just all public information. Anyways, you
Speaker 2: can go on and look at look at all the
Speaker 2: motions he's filed, and you've heard, you know, my opinion
Speaker 2: of him obviously. I mean you could have gotten that
Speaker 2: from just watching me in court some of his hearings,
Speaker 2: Like I look at some of them and it's like
Speaker 2: the eye rolls I get into of my faces when
Speaker 2: things have been on me. When when Cosger was speaking,
Speaker 2: you could you could get my opinion just from that
Speaker 2: alone without me saying anything tonight.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't want to get too deep into
Speaker 1: into it other because we must somehow we got into
Speaker 1: that conversation without intending, because we don't want to jeopardize
Speaker 1: anything that's happening with with Aiden.
Speaker 6: Can I say something yes the house and can we
Speaker 6: go ahead and highlight challenge again?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I want her to know that I was talking about
Speaker 6: it and letting everybody know about her birthday challenge.
Speaker 1: Okay, Donna, we're going to get there. I've got you start, Donna,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Nurse Kim? All right? So we did
Speaker 1: put the go ahead, Beatrice, take it away home girl.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you want to just highlight the message
Speaker 6: that you already put out, yeah, just everybody again.
Speaker 1: They got started. I don't think I started.
Speaker 6: So Nurse Kim, she wants everyone to donate three dollars
Speaker 6: and ninety cents by the twelve for her birthday, in
Speaker 6: honor of her ninth or her thirty ninth birthday, And
Speaker 6: she's going to do a live on the twelfth at
Speaker 6: two o'clock and she's going to read all the wonderful
Speaker 6: messages that you leave on the defense fund for her.
Speaker 1: Let me know, I really.
Speaker 6: Want to help her get this goal for her, So
Speaker 6: Nurse Kim, Yes.
Speaker 3: I just want to spread the word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what's not to love? We're getting more
Speaker 1: gifted memberships here. You guys are really amazing. I think
Speaker 1: Meredith has just brought the spirit out in you. S B.
Speaker 1: What's up? SB gifted ten ten memberships. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I must stay and became a new member. So welcome
Speaker 1: to the Cab family and holler at mean, let me
Speaker 1: know if there's something we need to do better aside
Speaker 1: from just removing me from the show. So anyway, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe uh oh that that's not there, Maybe that's
Speaker 1: not the real Nick Rocco. Okay, here, would you read
Speaker 1: this one, Bia and you have the next question from
Speaker 1: Meredith before we get into some ridiculousness.
Speaker 6: Okay, Hank is playing everybody. He's doing everything on purpose.
Speaker 6: Knowing how many eyes are on him, he knows the
Speaker 6: whole deal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, no doubt. He's probably like what
Speaker 1: this will do to my to my law practice, No doubt,
Speaker 1: no question. Brennan's a mean girl someone I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Barry in it to win it, that's it. I guess.
Speaker 2: I know I said that doing it for notoriety, I
Speaker 2: mean it's bad notoriety, which I don't get. But I
Speaker 2: guess he can put like I was close to it.
Speaker 2: Was inside of the Karen Reid trial and when she's acquitted.
Speaker 2: I was inside of how she got acquitted. So I
Speaker 2: know now how to get you acquitted murder. So I
Speaker 2: guess just thinking about his any benefit this could possibly
Speaker 2: have to his criminal defense practice after this, I guess
Speaker 2: he was close to it, so that's something he can
Speaker 2: add to his resume. But this.
Speaker 1: Could be a warm up from our attorney Valhall Law.
Speaker 1: Could you read this one in your accent, Meredith, or
Speaker 1: in a dramatic fashion?
Speaker 2: Wait you want me? You need to read it in
Speaker 2: my accents. Using all these mentions as his media slash
Speaker 2: pr strategy, he's telegraphing talking points to the trolls.
Speaker 1: That makes sense that makes sense, right, you know he
Speaker 1: he's because you notice there's an uptick in their activity
Speaker 1: with what he's doing. Right.
Speaker 2: I mean, if anything, I feel like they've gotten more
Speaker 2: the R word, I won't say Aiden's word. I feel
Speaker 2: like there are things have gotten more just I'm like,
Speaker 2: because he's making faces of me as I'm if anything,
Speaker 2: they're just they're outbursts and they're smitty. They're like doxing
Speaker 2: themselves left and right with their posts. They've gotten more unhinged,
Speaker 2: more man. I just hate It's like, and at this point,
Speaker 2: I'm glad some of them weren't around when I first
Speaker 2: when it was first revealed that I was dating Aiden,
Speaker 2: because I probably would have, like at first it bothered
Speaker 2: me a lot more than it does now that I'm
Speaker 2: just numb to it. But they've just become more unhinged,
Speaker 2: more vicious. I feel like, yeah, for trial too, so
Speaker 2: I can only imagine I'm probably I may have to
Speaker 2: take a Twitter break by the time we get to
Speaker 2: trial too. But at the same time, there's so much
Speaker 2: positivity too from people who support me and support everybody
Speaker 2: in Karen that it outnumbers it. But they're yeah, they've
Speaker 2: gotten a lot more aggressive, a lot more, dumb, a
Speaker 2: lot more. I don't know. Just go on Twitter, just
Speaker 2: go and like go down a rabbit hole of like
Speaker 2: the I don't know what it was, like the worst
Speaker 2: scenariotro Like it's called like Karen's Angry Tampa or something like.
Speaker 2: It's like, really, that's what you're doing. If you're like
Speaker 2: what we're like ten thousand tweets, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Just you have to think, like especially around the holidays too,
Speaker 2: some of the just the volume of these fake accounts
Speaker 2: that are anti Karen. It's probably only five or six
Speaker 2: people with many accounts, but just that's how they spent
Speaker 2: their holiday season. It's just like that's I don't know,
Speaker 2: that's just depressing. And it's like you can't even get
Speaker 2: mad at them at that at this point, like when
Speaker 2: you look at your life compared to theirs, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's the best way I can look at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had something.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, like everything Hanky Panky's doing
Speaker 6: is just putting out information again, not to show that
Speaker 6: she it's to cover up for the Mcalberts. Like it's
Speaker 6: nothing that's new, Like they're not trying to show her guilt.
Speaker 6: They're just trying to prove who's who they feel is
Speaker 6: innocent that commonwealth.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And what I did, like a whole video on the
Speaker 1: sort of anti troll thing, where what I do is
Speaker 1: I mute them. And I do that for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons, because if I haven't exchange with them and
Speaker 1: then I block them, then they'll screenshot that I blocked them,
Speaker 1: and they'll tweet that out as some sort of a
Speaker 1: badge of honor and they'll go, oh, look, I'm so cool.
Speaker 1: I got to DJ Man. He blocked me. I got him.
Speaker 1: So what I do in the whole video I did,
Speaker 1: if I were to summarize it in a one sentence,
Speaker 1: what I do is I first I mute them and
Speaker 1: then I completely ignore them. And they could tweet at me,
Speaker 1: they could literally just at me a dozen times and
Speaker 1: I don't see it. And in their mind what happens
Speaker 1: is is they say, I want to get to this guy,
Speaker 1: and obviously he's not responding. He no matter what I say,
Speaker 1: it's not important enough for him to reply. And that
Speaker 1: really pisses them off, because obviously, when someone pisses me off,
Speaker 1: I want to piss him off back right, all of
Speaker 1: us as humans, that's what it's the human conditions, what
Speaker 1: we want to do. So when I ignore them, they
Speaker 1: just stop because they just get bored of that. This
Speaker 1: guy doesn't think that anything I have to say is important.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't any of those trolls out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know they exist. I don't not follow them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what their youtubes are. I just they
Speaker 1: don't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so I block them all, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why. I didn't used to do this. I
Speaker 2: used to like anybody, unless you were commenting something really
Speaker 2: hate for me, I would never block you. But then
Speaker 2: around like April March, when it was when people first
Speaker 2: stout out about me and dating, they would comment on
Speaker 2: my thing, they would tag my work, and then they
Speaker 2: would block me. So I wouldn't see it until somebody
Speaker 2: told me. And I found out about some of their
Speaker 2: comments from my work calling me and telling me about it.
Speaker 2: So from then on, from like May on, I just
Speaker 2: anybody I see, even if they haven't commented on my post.
Speaker 2: If it's somebody who's anti aiden, are anti Careen, I
Speaker 2: just I've blocked I probably over a thousand people blocked
Speaker 2: just because I can't have them commenting on my stuff
Speaker 2: and tagging my work and stuff like that. Again, I think.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Well, even if they blocked me, I would still see them,
Speaker 2: I think with the new Twitter, the way the new
Speaker 2: settings are. But I just I also I don't want
Speaker 2: to get tempted to be interacting with them either or
Speaker 2: like responding back and forth, because then that's just just
Speaker 2: like could you so many better things to my day
Speaker 2: and then be arguing with some anonymous Twitter account to
Speaker 2: defend myself. People who know me know who I am.
Speaker 2: I don't need to defend myself on Twitter to the.
Speaker 1: Exactly right. So that's it. See, you made a good
Speaker 1: counterpoint to that. If there's like your work is involved,
Speaker 1: that that's a really good reason because then your work
Speaker 1: maybe sees that they're tagged on Twitter. You know, that
Speaker 1: could be an issue. So that's a good point for me.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been an issue. So and when I mute them,
Speaker 1: I just don't see that they tweeted about me. So
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't see it, I'm not tempted
Speaker 1: to respond. And then they just say, well I can't
Speaker 1: get DJ obviously doesn't care what I think, which is accurate,
Speaker 1: Like that one girl who used to work for Turtle Boy,
Speaker 1: that's like a nutcase. There is nothing that she could
Speaker 1: possibly say that I would find any the least bit
Speaker 1: of value in, Like if I could go minus zero,
Speaker 1: that would be her or the one guy who does
Speaker 1: like he's at his mom's basement or whatever, broadcasting like
Speaker 1: less than zero. So there's nothing they have to say
Speaker 1: that I would find important enough to even respond to them,
Speaker 1: because to me, it has to be an honest conversation
Speaker 1: with someone who's ready to have an honest intellectual conversation.
Speaker 1: Then we could talk. But that's not those guys, and
Speaker 1: it's not the trolls. So but this is a question
Speaker 1: right here. Maybe Beatrice can read this in her Rosie
Speaker 1: perez accent. I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, I don't know. You get me nervous.
Speaker 1: You don't have to man, Sorry.
Speaker 6: All right, I would like to know the evidence Turtle
Speaker 6: Boy and Meredith has held back asking for a friend
Speaker 6: wink wink. And oh and when do we get orders
Speaker 6: for who we need to block?
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, you're I'm assuming she's talking about all the
Speaker 2: trolls were like they know she's guilty, and they're not
Speaker 2: saying all the evidence and held back Like, Bro, you
Speaker 2: can just go on mas squorts and read everything like
Speaker 2: there's no evidence that I would know about that have
Speaker 2: not all of the trolls. I mean, if anything, I
Speaker 2: feel like the people on the team she shall not
Speaker 2: be named, like who are talking to people like Ken
Speaker 2: Mellow and Kelly constantly? Probably no more held back evidence.
Speaker 2: I mean they're the ones who've been posted for months
Speaker 2: and months before trial, like Karen went back to thirty
Speaker 2: four Fair of You at five fifteen am and saw
Speaker 2: the John before Like they've been posting all this evidence
Speaker 2: that never came out in trial that hasn't come back. Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, the idea that Aiden or I have any
Speaker 2: secret evidence that isn't available to the public is just
Speaker 2: I mean, it tells you their level of intelligence there.
Speaker 2: That's the level of IQ we're dealing with with some
Speaker 2: of these lunatics. And then the blocklist, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I mean I block everybody that's anti peopled. I
Speaker 2: just told you why because they were tagging my work
Speaker 2: and blocking me and I couldn't see it and then
Speaker 2: my work called me. That's that's literally why So if
Speaker 2: you're looking for like a master blocklist, I could just
Speaker 2: go on where my blocks and I probably have every
Speaker 2: single anti Caaren account on there.
Speaker 1: But and this one he has a question for the Matterdith,
Speaker 1: There's obviously more to aiden than just being a turtle boy.
Speaker 1: You're a classy, professional, intelligent woman. What is it that
Speaker 1: people don't understand will misunderstand about me? How's that one that?
Speaker 3: Shut up?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna say what? Sorry? Can you keep
Speaker 2: the question off this so I.
Speaker 1: Can do I have to?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean you're asking what a lot of people
Speaker 2: have asked me, Like why would you get yourself into this?
Speaker 2: To be honest? But like, I mean, you guys, obviously
Speaker 2: you know how smarty is, you know how funny is.
Speaker 2: But he's a good person. He cares what other people.
Speaker 2: He'll admit when he's wrong. I mean, he's always making
Speaker 2: me laugh. He's we're on the same level like intelligence.
Speaker 2: We just will talk for like when we were first
Speaker 2: getting to know each other, when he was in jail,
Speaker 2: we would just talk and then before we knew it,
Speaker 2: we'd been on the phone for over five hours in
Speaker 2: one day and we didn't even realize it. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, we just we just get each other. I
Speaker 2: mean something people misunderstand, I guess. I mean he's pretty
Speaker 2: open with his life, if you guys, I mean, especially
Speaker 2: with going to jail, and I feel like in the
Speaker 2: last year so he's gotten a lot more. He shared
Speaker 2: a lot more of his personal life than he used to.
Speaker 2: But I mean he he like people think that he's
Speaker 2: they call him the nurses that he doesn't. But he's
Speaker 2: constantly acknowledging when he makes mistakes and where he could
Speaker 2: have done things differently. I mean people keep saying to me, like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's changed so much in the last year, and like
Speaker 2: because even it's like, no, it's not because me. It's
Speaker 2: because he went through things that forced him to change
Speaker 2: and grow as a person. And that happens to a
Speaker 2: lot of people, whether whether or not you need it.
Speaker 2: And that's what happened. And I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what else to say. I mean, you guys know him,
Speaker 2: but there's obviously more than you see. But I mean
Speaker 2: he's a good person. I don't know a little plug,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: I feel like when I saw him do the interview
Speaker 6: with the thirteen Sturror, I thought that that was the
Speaker 6: most raw that I've ever saw turn boy be and
Speaker 6: I like, if you want to go back and watch that, that.
Speaker 3: Interview was amazing. He spoke from the.
Speaker 6: Heart, and I feel that I got to see the
Speaker 6: real side of him. I mean, granted I don't know
Speaker 6: him all that well, but just just to kind of
Speaker 6: see when he he just spoke so amazingly and just
Speaker 6: you I feel like you almost get him more.
Speaker 3: If you see that episode that he did with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a lot, a lot of stuff came out.
Speaker 2: I feel like in that that people didn't really know
Speaker 2: about behind the scenes that happened, and it got it
Speaker 2: definitely helped get to know him more. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to think of what you say, like things
Speaker 2: that people don't understand. I'm thinking of some of the criticisms.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he does he say things that I
Speaker 2: would never say in public. Yeah, But are they things
Speaker 2: that I'm kind of thinking in my head like yeah that,
Speaker 2: yeah too. Are there things where I'm like, you could
Speaker 2: have not said that or maybe don't say that. But
Speaker 2: I mean he's never He says what he wants to say,
Speaker 2: and that's I've learned. You guys all know who's been
Speaker 2: following for years. That's not going to change obviously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that. You guys have seen my tweets.
Speaker 1: I think he's a very courageous man. In fact, you
Speaker 1: know what, I want to get him on here for.
Speaker 1: I want to get him on here with the shirt,
Speaker 1: the tie and the sport coat and do his closing
Speaker 1: argument to the jury, but in like a theatrical like
Speaker 1: he's in court, like the whole nine yards, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Attorney Aiden Carney, Like I think I
Speaker 1: told you that on DM So I'll work towards that
Speaker 1: in the future. But I think that would be hilarious
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 2: Man, Then thank you, Larry Lundon. I'm assuming at the
Speaker 2: same Larry Lenden I see on Twitter he's such a
Speaker 2: nice account and he's constantly sticking up because like I
Speaker 2: don't know again, like now that my work got tagged there,
Speaker 2: like remember you're acting now that people know that you
Speaker 2: work for this company, like you can also I know
Speaker 2: they're watching, so like I is tempted to get sometimes
Speaker 2: to go after the trolls, like I know, one it's
Speaker 2: not a good use of my time and energy, but
Speaker 2: two also like in the back of my mind. My
Speaker 2: work is watching me. So I appreciate people like Larry
Speaker 2: Legit in to her like going out of the right
Speaker 2: and sticking up for me when people are being mean.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: He's really cool, Larry Legend. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: the nine ninety nine. I really appreciate a brother man,
Speaker 1: and it was a pleasure to share some DMS with you. You
Speaker 1: got a cool voice. You sound like a really smart guy.
Speaker 1: And this is a great question for Mereth about uh Aiden,
Speaker 1: because there's always more to people than we can see.
Speaker 1: You can have all these perceptions about someone and you
Speaker 1: really don't know them. But we know what we see.
Speaker 1: We know what we see. We see somebody who's willing
Speaker 1: to stand up and kind of like do like Gandalf
Speaker 1: and Lord of the Rings and go, you know, you
Speaker 1: shall not pass, you know. And that's courage, especially with
Speaker 1: the pressure that he's under. I mean, he doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: he's able to wash that pressure away, and that's something
Speaker 1: that I admire about this guy. All Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring up one of Olivia's tweets. I think we need
Speaker 1: to jump into it. So the way we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: Meredith is we're gonna go like sentence or paragraph paragraph,
Speaker 1: so like you'll start off, then Beatri's will go, then
Speaker 1: I'll go and then back to you whatever, and so
Speaker 1: just make it as uh theatrical as you want. The
Speaker 1: audience always seems to love this, So here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring this up and then I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to safari where I can scroll. Can you guys see
Speaker 1: the top of it? Now?
Speaker 3: I many binoculars to see this for real?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now what you can do to make this better
Speaker 1: is you go to full screen on streamyard yep, I
Speaker 1: got it all right, yeah, because I don't collapsing that
Speaker 1: sidebar won't make it any bigger unfortunately, So we good.
Speaker 1: You guys can read it, yeah, yes, no, maybe so
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 8: I'm even going got me glasses mite, so I can
Speaker 8: read too, all right, all right, So I'll be on
Speaker 8: the I'll be on Safari and you guys kick it out.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think Jen Altman's here. Hi Jen Altman, Oh Hi Jen,
Speaker 1: Hi welcome. Yeah, we've never had you here, gentlemen.
Speaker 2: Is not rude at all as people say. She's one
Speaker 2: of the nicest, kindest, most there for you people. I've
Speaker 2: ever met.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have no doubt. I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever interacted with her. But you bring out the stars, apparently, Meredith,
Speaker 1: the stars come out to see you got all kinds
Speaker 1: of here. So so this is from our great Olivia Lambeau,
Speaker 1: who is on Twitter and she's Olivia Nile on YouTube
Speaker 1: and she's an amazing intellect. I can't you know, there's
Speaker 1: not enough I can say about her. So let's let
Speaker 1: Meredith kick us off with her most theatrical voice that
Speaker 1: she wants to use.
Speaker 2: Oh do I need the accent again?
Speaker 1: You can do any way you want to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when was this?
Speaker 2: When did she post? I assume in the last couple
Speaker 2: of years. Yes, I see this one. I admittedly in time.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like a project. When you want
Speaker 2: to sit down and read one of Olivia's TWITTERI okay,
Speaker 2: turn to turn that off. I'm sorry. We'd a special
Speaker 2: guest in sitting across the tay over me who's just
Speaker 2: playing videos with no All right, let's see if Karen
Speaker 2: Reid had googled how long to Dine Cold at two
Speaker 2: twenty seven am, hours before Officer John oc Keef's body
Speaker 2: was found dying in the cold. Do you think the
Speaker 2: Commonwealth would starch high and low to pay multitude multiple
Speaker 2: experts to debunk that incriminating evidence to prove that it
Speaker 2: didn't happen.
Speaker 1: This, you'd be a.
Speaker 6: It Celebrates software was originally wrong and Jen McCabe didn't
Speaker 6: google that at two twenty seven am, Then how many
Speaker 6: innocent people has Celebrated been complicit in wrongfully convicting and incarcerating.
Speaker 1: These are the repreation representations and claims that Hank Brennan
Speaker 1: is making on behalf of Celebrate curiously, though he prefer
Speaker 1: no aff David in factual spart thereof.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Simultaneously in his motion, Brennan states that Celebrate is
Speaker 2: a leading forensic data extraction software tool that provides forensic
Speaker 2: examiners the ability to access an analyzed data stored within
Speaker 2: a digital device.
Speaker 3: So which is it?
Speaker 6: You can't have it both ways, all always and no
Speaker 6: ways on Sundays, Celebrates is.
Speaker 1: The leading most reliable digital forensic tool.
Speaker 2: But also.
Speaker 3: You should finish that one that was too short.
Speaker 2: It's not reliable or credible, but it doesn't fit all narrative.
Speaker 6: Interesting excuse, see I can't be theatrical. Interestingly, enough bunk
Speaker 6: and Jen McCabe's incriminating two twenty seven Google search is
Speaker 6: in no way, shape or form, contributes to who what,
Speaker 6: as Melanie Little would say, whatsoever to proving Karen hit
Speaker 6: John o'keef with her car. The burden the Commonwealth has
Speaker 6: to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 4: Era.
Speaker 7: Isn't it also interesting that of the digital forensic evidence
Speaker 7: Hank Brennan is contesting Richard Green on our wishes to
Speaker 7: keep out that he only cares about Jen McCabe's incriminating
Speaker 7: Google touch but not John O'Keefe's iPhone GPS location data
Speaker 7: or Apple health data, both of which debunked the Commonwealth theory,
Speaker 7: both of which actually have any relevance to proving whether
Speaker 7: Karen reidid it or not.
Speaker 2: All right, I can't, I'm not doing no more accents.
Speaker 1: Okay, you just do notice.
Speaker 2: The pattern here, like how trying to just prove John's
Speaker 2: arm injuries being caused by a dog in no way
Speaker 2: contributes to proving that Karen he had killed John o'keef
Speaker 2: with their car and that's what causes those injuries.
Speaker 6: Is this the Macalbert defense or the prosecution of Karen
Speaker 6: Reid what Hank Brennan. What was Hank Brennan really hired
Speaker 6: to do?
Speaker 1: File facially insufficient motions with sensational titles, using words like debunk,
Speaker 1: purely to try to influence the public opinion through media headlines,
Speaker 1: knowing full well that this is an improper request for
Speaker 1: remedating what he opines to be witness credibility issue or
Speaker 1: a matter for cross examination not exclusion.
Speaker 2: Is this a pursuit of justice or pr Hank Brennan
Speaker 2: is not the FactFinder. He doesn't quote debunk anything. That's
Speaker 2: up to the jury decide.
Speaker 1: Can I get an ape man?
Speaker 4: Great job, ladies, great job, That's what I got to
Speaker 4: say here, Great, great job.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of ridiculous. We get up. We're
Speaker 1: getting up and getting up into Eric cap. We did
Speaker 1: it with Jason Broyles. We had Jason doing it, Britt myself.
Speaker 1: Who else was on that? Were you on that? Bea
Speaker 1: or no? No, you weren't on that one? Think it
Speaker 1: was me Britt and Jason.
Speaker 6: So I think though she sounds awesome in her accent,
Speaker 6: so I feel like you can off.
Speaker 1: I could see how the frat guys were fooled by this.
Speaker 1: I mean it's clear clear. Let me see what else
Speaker 1: did I missed here and see if we got any
Speaker 1: questions for the cat. What are your high points that
Speaker 1: you'd like to see them hint Meredith in this next case,
Speaker 1: or is there points on the case that you really
Speaker 1: would just like want to say to the audience, or
Speaker 1: there points for either the last trial or or the
Speaker 1: next trop By the way, there's another legend here, Dina
Speaker 1: warn't Shaw home girl.
Speaker 2: It's it's really hard to say. Somebody who's been following
Speaker 2: it very closely and has read all of the pre
Speaker 2: trial motions and or listened to the pre trial motions everything,
Speaker 2: it's I feel like I'm almost blinded. I'd honestly focused
Speaker 2: on what the jury was confused by, or even get
Speaker 2: somebody who's not familiar with the trial at all to
Speaker 2: go back and rewatch what was like allowed into trial,
Speaker 2: because it's probably going to be similar to what was
Speaker 2: allowed in the first trial on to you. I was
Speaker 2: not going to let the federal investigation and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things are going to be out there without
Speaker 2: just somebody who doesn't know. I can't really say, I
Speaker 2: guess what would be the best to focus on, just
Speaker 2: because I'm too deep into it, I feel like, but
Speaker 2: I mean, probably just sticking to the science of he
Speaker 2: wasn't hit by a car. I mean, I'm interested in
Speaker 2: doctor Marie Russell's being like let in again and then
Speaker 2: potentially other dog bite experts, hopefully to really hammer it
Speaker 2: that they were dog bite injuries on his arm. I
Speaker 2: think that would be good. But similar to what other
Speaker 2: people have said not I guess clearly the jury didn't
Speaker 2: buy like the conspiracy thing with all of the background,
Speaker 2: with all of them at Albert, So I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: focusing a little less on that. But it's again, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to say with just being knowing like everything
Speaker 2: we know, because like obviously, knowing everything I know, obviously
Speaker 2: I would never find her guilty. So it's it's hard to.
Speaker 1: Say, uh, Bia, do you have something or you want
Speaker 1: me to because I want to make sure you get
Speaker 1: in here, my friend.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no problem. No, I mean I totally agree.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, as somebody who watched the whole
Speaker 6: trial and watched all the recaps, it's unbelievable that anybody
Speaker 6: would confine her guilty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I want to point out, I think
Speaker 1: there are points like because Olivia in that what she
Speaker 1: sent me basically talks about that the tail light when
Speaker 1: she leaves the house. So she leaves the house, she
Speaker 1: backs into the car, she pulls forward, and then she
Speaker 1: steps on the brake before she enters the street. And
Speaker 1: I think it is clear clear in that image that
Speaker 1: there is no white light at all coming from that
Speaker 1: taill light. It is red. There's no way it can
Speaker 1: be missing forty five pieces. And I think that was
Speaker 1: a really really good sort of that was a really
Speaker 1: good contextualization of where Adam Lally had them stop the
Speaker 1: video versus where showed the exact same video that Lally showed,
Speaker 1: but show it where she's stepping on the break and
Speaker 1: then say hit pause because you know they're gonna bring
Speaker 1: the video guy again from California, I can't remember his name,
Speaker 1: the guy who thought this was a complete hit show
Speaker 1: of what he's The guy said forty two years. I
Speaker 1: think she was on with Melanie Little. He said forty
Speaker 1: two years. I've been in trials as an audio video expert,
Speaker 1: never seen the kind of buffoonery that's gone on here.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not something to be proud of if
Speaker 1: you're from the the detam Superior court whatever that? What
Speaker 1: do they call it? Norfolk Superior Court? Is that what
Speaker 1: it's called? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: Can you go to Kelly's super chat?
Speaker 1: Sure? Oh hi Kelly? Which one is this? I don't
Speaker 1: the one earlier?
Speaker 6: Yes, she said she sent a super chat.
Speaker 1: Before the last about oh this one right here? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Henry Pooh was only hired to be a
Speaker 1: personal defense Yes, yes, I mean I think we all
Speaker 1: agree on that. Okay, Meredith doesn't have any comment about
Speaker 1: do you have any do you have any any thoughts
Speaker 1: on that that basically he was hired to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we think the prosecution.
Speaker 2: I think I feel like, compared with Lally, he's it
Speaker 2: feels like he's doing a little bit less of being
Speaker 2: a personal defense attorney for the Mcalvert, to be honest,
Speaker 2: but Lally, like every single time, like for all the rules,
Speaker 2: seventeen motions he was opposing and everything. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it feels a little bit less like that this time around.
Speaker 2: But and that's probably because that was told. I'm assuming
Speaker 2: by Morris you're someone to make it seem a little
Speaker 2: bit less like that, But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. Yeah, that's what he's doing,
Speaker 2: like Lally, But I don't see it as much as
Speaker 2: the first time.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I think the entire trial is being
Speaker 1: their attorney. If you want to look at it from
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand foot view, the entire prosecution is too
Speaker 1: was to save the Mcalberts from implication, the entire the
Speaker 1: whole thing was because the whole thing ended as soon
Speaker 1: as they said, I can't go knock on that door
Speaker 1: that's Brian Albert's store. It just sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: like Shannon McMahon said, the concentric circles just got larger
Speaker 1: and larger and it all became about pretty you know
Speaker 1: that as soon as you decided you had to protect
Speaker 1: Brian Albert, then you had to protect you know, what's
Speaker 1: his face from knock, I mean out from across the street,
Speaker 1: tell her the coward and the rest of them, you know,
Speaker 1: they just and it just got bigger and bigger. So
Speaker 1: the whole thing it seems like it's a defense of
Speaker 1: anybody who conspired to ignore evidence. I mean, how the
Speaker 1: hell did you not get photos of Karen Reid's car
Speaker 1: when it was in the Reeds driveway? The only reason
Speaker 1: you would do that is to say this could be
Speaker 1: a value later, not to have a photo because that
Speaker 1: right there was I mean, I had to say it
Speaker 1: was a crime scene, but they'd say that's a murder weapon.
Speaker 1: You could have put tape around it right there and
Speaker 1: had the police photographers come in and take every angle
Speaker 1: of that vehicle, but they didn't do that. Why do
Speaker 1: people think they didn't do that. You think they're stupid. No,
Speaker 1: they're very cunning. And they said, we got to make
Speaker 1: sure we have no evidence that would be exculpatory for
Speaker 1: this woman because she's gonna end up being the fall
Speaker 1: because we ain't knocking on Brian Alberts store. This kind
Speaker 1: of drives me nuts. Yeah, what else we got here? Okay?
Speaker 1: You want to read this one? Biyah?
Speaker 6: Sure, Probably because the defense is strategically holding all of
Speaker 6: its evidentiary motions back until the Commonwealth has satisfied its
Speaker 6: discovery obligations. They learned the hard way last time not
Speaker 6: to give up ahead of time.
Speaker 1: So essentially, I think what you're saying is you don't
Speaker 1: want to give them the game plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. Speaking of discovery obligations, I feel
Speaker 2: like overall seeing some of the notices of discovery that
Speaker 2: are coming up for trial too. It's like the volume
Speaker 2: of it. I'm looking at some of these things and like,
Speaker 2: how was this not presented in trial one? Like why
Speaker 2: do we have a new two hundred page Celebrate report?
Speaker 2: Why wasn't that in trial one? So it's curious. I
Speaker 2: forget what the one was. The most recent one was
Speaker 2: the other day. It was some other report from years
Speaker 2: ago that I'm like, where was this in trial on?
Speaker 2: It's just the volume of it alone. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just cript. It's mind boggling. Just to give you I have,
Speaker 2: like probably I can do like ten more minutes mass
Speaker 2: he is to get.
Speaker 1: Set up for his We're gonna wrap it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, this one right here. What can we
Speaker 1: do to support Meredith from Miss Jessica, she's one of
Speaker 1: our mobs?
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. I mean, I don't I don't need support.
Speaker 2: Don'tate to Karen's on, don'tate to Aiden's fond. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like one of the things I wanted to say
Speaker 2: while I was on here for people listening. Anybody who
Speaker 2: has sent me messages of support last year, like you've
Speaker 2: stuck up for me on Twitter or something, or you've
Speaker 2: shown up to Aiden's court dates or Karen's court dates
Speaker 2: and just came up and introduced yourself and said nice
Speaker 2: things to me. I just it means the world to me,
Speaker 2: especially with like earlier, just some of the toxicity we
Speaker 2: see on Twitter, with the anonymous trolls that it's really
Speaker 2: it brightens my day when I get nice messages of support,
Speaker 2: So I appreciate it. But just keep supporting Karen, supporting Aiden.
Speaker 2: That really means the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like the best thing we could do.
Speaker 1: Keep donating to those two funds because they're gonna keep
Speaker 1: trying to bleed these two people dry of their money.
Speaker 1: So Boston Brandy said. Prosecutor said it mere hours after
Speaker 1: John's body was found home owners of Boston cop. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't get any shit. The corruption snowballed from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what was that six hours after I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: when his high school friends are texting him and he's
Speaker 1: giving up details on what should have been a quote
Speaker 1: classified investigation to open source that they could go and
Speaker 1: just start telling their friends and their family about it.
Speaker 1: But you know, that just goes to show what a
Speaker 1: moron that guy is I hope it was worth it
Speaker 1: to protect Brian, that you're no longer a trooper. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope that. Really, you know, you found that to
Speaker 1: be a great thing.
Speaker 2: Careful witness intimidation charges DJ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, good luck with that.
Speaker 2: I know they don't mean if Sean on the Golf
Speaker 2: hasn't gotten anything, I feel like you're safe. They don't
Speaker 2: do this to people who are out of state. It
Speaker 2: seems like because like some of the things Sean on
Speaker 2: the Golf is at, it's like far worse than what
Speaker 2: Aiden has ever said on his YouTube shows to some
Speaker 2: of them. I mean, I miss like when Sean on
Speaker 2: the Golf was still kind of like with it and
Speaker 2: totally before he lost it, his shows were entertaining. He
Speaker 2: would be like, bribeye, bribeye, it's almost overbuddy, Like you
Speaker 2: you fuck head, bribe Brye, Like you're you're done, You're done,
Speaker 2: We're coming for you. Like it's I miss that Sean,
Speaker 2: to be honest. But yeah, So if Sewan and the
Speaker 2: Golf hasn't gotten any winness intimidation charges, I think you're
Speaker 2: you're probably safe too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel pretty safe. Uh and and all I
Speaker 1: said was that I just don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: why he would jeopardize his you know the fact that
Speaker 1: he's on unpaid leave and he's doing some sort of
Speaker 1: PI work that's not going to help your state trueer
Speaker 1: pension and how big it's going to be. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many years of service the guy has, but
Speaker 1: he's not gonna you know, the way they do the
Speaker 1: multipliers for your retirement, you know, he could lose a
Speaker 1: decade off of that for all we know, or more.
Speaker 1: You know, there are people that stay in law enforcement,
Speaker 1: like you know, Peter Murphy, you know, twenty nine to
Speaker 1: thirty years. I mean, it's not uncommon. And that all
Speaker 1: is what adds up to the multiplier that they figure
Speaker 1: out what your retirement check is going to be, and
Speaker 1: he's going to give it up for Brian Albert. What
Speaker 1: an idiot. So if that's witness intimidation, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe there is no First Amendment exactly. Meredith
Speaker 1: seems problematic police reports months after the first trial. It
Speaker 1: also seems like a lot of it is to overwhelm
Speaker 1: and flood. Yes, no question, no question, man, I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly what they're doing. We've got to get Meredith
Speaker 1: out here. We want to put this up right here.
Speaker 1: This is the Karen Reid Defense Fund. And if anybody
Speaker 1: can bring up the Turtle Boy Defense Fund, that would
Speaker 1: be awesome, so we can put that up on the
Speaker 1: screen as well. But if you google it, I think
Speaker 1: it's from Give Send Go is the purveyor for turtle Boy.
Speaker 1: So if you google Turtle Boy Defense Fund, it'll take
Speaker 1: you to give Send Go and there you can. It's
Speaker 1: a very similar it looks very similar on that site
Speaker 1: to what Karen's site is. And yes, I agree with
Speaker 1: the Kimberlayne, he don't he did the damn thing. And
Speaker 1: Mary Murphy agrees Matty murfy. So Meredith, thanks a lot,
Speaker 1: home girl. We appreciate you being on with us. Any
Speaker 1: any final words for the audience before we peace out
Speaker 1: of this joint.
Speaker 2: No, just thank you so much for having me, and
Speaker 2: as I say said earlier, thank you so much to
Speaker 2: everybody who supported me during twenty twenty four. I mean
Speaker 2: it was a lot getting thrown into it. I mean
Speaker 2: it was like one day like nobody knew who I
Speaker 2: was and then Aiden gets kicked out of court. On
Speaker 2: February twenty sixth and we're on the news walking out together,
Speaker 2: and like it was like I had a little more
Speaker 2: time to not for that not to be public, but
Speaker 2: I mean we were just kind of forcing everybody knowing
Speaker 2: and then so I really like appreciate it. It's been
Speaker 2: a big transition being just like kind of a nobody,
Speaker 2: nobody knowing who I am, to being just like day
Speaker 2: after day attack. So I really appreciate everybody on here
Speaker 2: that if you're watching, who has supported me, whether it's
Speaker 2: just a message or just sticking up for me in
Speaker 2: a comment on Twitter or Facebook. It it really means
Speaker 2: a lot more then you know. It's brightened my day
Speaker 2: many times when I used to let it get to
Speaker 2: me a lot. So I appreciate it. Thank you everybody,
Speaker 2: and thank you guys for having me on. I definitely
Speaker 2: would be happy to come back another time too. I know,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot more we're gonna you
Speaker 2: didn't need to talk about cats or anything you can do,
Speaker 2: like come on, oh, I know, well, when I'm at
Speaker 2: my house, first of all, I won't look yellow because
Speaker 2: I won't be at mom and Dad's house. So that
Speaker 2: also I'll have the kittens with me, so We could
Speaker 2: definitely do a part two if you want, when we're
Speaker 2: not like finishing off for Aiden's show and making me
Speaker 2: talk about everything else.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I dig it. Yeah, we'll definitely do another
Speaker 1: one to talk about cats.
Speaker 2: There my New Year's Eve video that on too, Deb Brad,
Speaker 2: there's like so much weed and even get into.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely want I want you to make
Speaker 1: the case for cats, because when I speak to people,
Speaker 1: I don't say because I have dogs, and I don't
Speaker 1: say I'm a dog person I'm a cat person. I'm both. Uh,
Speaker 1: but I want you to make the case. So yeah,
Speaker 1: well definitely we would be delighted to have you back. So, uh,
Speaker 1: let me say thank you to everybody in the chat.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys. You guys were incredibly just
Speaker 1: generous and kind to our guest Meredith and to be
Speaker 1: atrist as usual. And I guess you guys kind of
Speaker 1: said like a couple of things about me said's cool,
Speaker 1: it's kidding.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: This is our running joke is because people like Beatrice
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. Beatri's is beautiful. We get like a
Speaker 1: dozen of those every show is beautiful. She is, I know,
Speaker 1: I know she is so anyway, on behalf of Meredith
Speaker 1: and on behalf of my co host Bia, this is
Speaker 1: DJ being same, peace out, one Love, We'll see you
Speaker 1: down the road and we're always wondering what's up around
Speaker 1: the bend. Thank you, mad love you guys. Hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think I'll here you