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Speaker 4: Ah yeah, all right, let's fade that music to background.
Speaker 4: Welcome everybody. I thought, given how wild things have been
Speaker 4: in the last week, especially a couple weeks with scandals
Speaker 4: in Rome, and yeah, I'm getting tired of talking about
Speaker 4: the papacy in Roman Catholicism, but it seems like it's
Speaker 4: hard to move on to other subjects when we get
Speaker 4: these pretty insane levels of the next day, it's almost
Speaker 4: the daily scandal. It's not like every week it's like
Speaker 4: what did Francis? What did Leo? What did whoever?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 4: Today? So I thought it'd be a perfect time to
Speaker 4: go back into some of the literature and some of
Speaker 4: the evidence and some of the proofs that we've shown
Speaker 4: for many years. But some of those streams are four
Speaker 4: or five six years old, pertaining to the means by
Speaker 4: which the actual intrigue, the historical evidence and proof and
Speaker 4: documentation from multiple Roman Catholic scholars and historians, not orthodox
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorists, but Roman Catholic historians. All right, this song
Speaker 4: was gonna my nerves. I'm all for some of this
Speaker 4: sixties spy chic. That horn is a little mutch dude,
Speaker 4: cryptic shadows. That's what I'm talking about. The question is, then,
Speaker 4: how did this occur? When did it occur? What led
Speaker 4: to where we are? Yeah? I agree. I actually reached
Speaker 4: out to the Tucker producers and I was like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm sure the dude you had on talking about cabal
Speaker 4: or whatever is a nice guy. I was like, but dog,
Speaker 4: I can bring the heat, I can bring the souths.
Speaker 4: I'm your man, a dog, I'm the man. Anyway, I
Speaker 4: am pretty tired. I'm stacked up on coffee. As you
Speaker 4: guys know, the greatest assetic endeavor for me is to
Speaker 4: wake up for church, because I don't like to wake up.
Speaker 4: I have not, nor have I ever been a morning person,
Speaker 4: nor shall I ever be a morning person. And uh,
Speaker 4: morning people couldn't go to Huck as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding, you could go to hook Gosh, what
Speaker 4: about Joe Rogan? Yeah, I mean just keep saying the
Speaker 4: way to get me on these podcasts is for you
Speaker 4: guys to make a stink and ended up working for
Speaker 4: a crowder, so I'll be I don't know if I'm
Speaker 4: talking to Crowder or just to Gerald. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: fine either way. But yeah, I went to the church
Speaker 4: that I don't go to that you never seen yet.
Speaker 4: So it seems like as you get older, waking up
Speaker 4: early is not easier. I mean, it sucked when I
Speaker 4: was working a nine to five, you know, so hard
Speaker 4: to get up early. But I don't know, it seemed
Speaker 4: like it was easier because like, when you're nineteen, you
Speaker 4: can drink all night, you know, go to sleep at
Speaker 4: three in the morning and wake up at seven for work.
Speaker 4: So but when you're thirty like me and no longer twenty.
Speaker 4: I heard that Tucker interview fell flat some pop I
Speaker 4: got that pop music illuminati stuff that I could bring
Speaker 4: out some of that classic illuminate confirm. I feel like
Speaker 4: people are just now ripe for all this information. Anyway,
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about a little bit of history,
Speaker 4: and then we're gonna get into some of the intrigue
Speaker 4: and espionage from all this big stack of scholarly books
Speaker 4: that I have next to me that prove the surprisingly
Speaker 4: contentious idea that the state wants to utilize and subvert
Speaker 4: and control the church. What never heard of this? But
Speaker 4: even though it's happened many, many times in Church history.
Speaker 4: If you mentioned this, why what an insane conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4: You're an insane person to think that the State Department
Speaker 4: or the CIA, or any of these intelligence agencies will
Speaker 4: want anything to do with influencing the OCA or the
Speaker 4: Greek Orthodox Archidiosi or Rome. Why would you even? This
Speaker 4: is just crazy? And yet here we are in the
Speaker 4: era of infinity information at our fingertips, and all of
Speaker 4: this is now beyond the pale of I mean, it's beyond.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's not just proven, it's like shouldn't even
Speaker 4: be controversial anymore. However, this very idea itself would actually
Speaker 4: cause many people in the Church, many prelates, to treat
Speaker 4: you as an evil Ortho bro. Even though even though
Speaker 4: there's declassified documents the doctrinal warfare program declassified I think
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen admitting this very fact, even though all
Speaker 4: the Orthodox people know about the Soviets installing in KVD bishops,
Speaker 4: even though we know all this, Oh that's crazy, it
Speaker 4: didn't exist. What now, it's not just intelligence operatives using
Speaker 4: missionary work or being a minister as cover. We have
Speaker 4: to go a little bit higher up on the food
Speaker 4: chain and look at think tanks and foundations and NGOs
Speaker 4: that have a huge influence in the religious world. So
Speaker 4: we're going to be looking at some of that material.
Speaker 4: We will also, though, be looking at the espionage side
Speaker 4: of things, and that would be you know, things like
Speaker 4: even the massage relationship to the Vatican. Did you know
Speaker 4: there is a relationship there. You know, it's covered in
Speaker 4: Gordon Thomas's book Gideon Spies, or the longtime CA relationship
Speaker 4: with the Vatican, especially going back to William Colby in
Speaker 4: the Cold War in prior to that, James Jesus Angleton
Speaker 4: being at the Rome Desk of the CIA prior to Colby.
Speaker 4: So we're going to get into a lot of that
Speaker 4: again to kind of refresh you guys. And all of
Speaker 4: these will be sourced in mainline, scholarly and academic texts.
Speaker 4: As I look over here, I don't see any of these.
Speaker 4: None of these texts are conspiracy texts. So it will
Speaker 4: all be sourced. I will for the seventh or eighth
Speaker 4: year now remind you which books to get, especially the
Speaker 4: whim Hoff book, which I've been telling everybody to get
Speaker 4: for seven or eight years. I have to think though,
Speaker 4: And let's take another example of that, no one's actually
Speaker 4: reading any of these books. I feel like no one
Speaker 4: is actually reading these books, and so I say these
Speaker 4: things after twenty years of reading these books, and people
Speaker 4: laugh and they giggle and they don't but they've never
Speaker 4: read any of these books. They haven't read one fourth
Speaker 4: of the books that I've read on these subjects. But
Speaker 4: they know that I'm wrong, and it's much easier to
Speaker 4: just say hahaha, evil worth overro. So let's start by
Speaker 4: pointing out, yeah, exactly, that's why I do your homework
Speaker 4: for you, guys. Thanks again to our friend in the
Speaker 4: audience who sent us this very rare, very expensive I
Speaker 4: don't think it's actually worth over two thousand dollars, but
Speaker 4: it goes on Amazon for two thousand dollars. The hard
Speaker 4: bat changing images of Man. Look at that goes for
Speaker 4: two thousand dollars plus. It's tempting to tell it and
Speaker 4: get big coin, bit of course it's not. No one
Speaker 4: is going to pay two thousand dollars just because here's
Speaker 4: a funny thing. I opened it up, and in the
Speaker 4: entire exist of this book from nineteen eighty two until now,
Speaker 4: when this university library. I guess discarded. And if you
Speaker 4: don't know, in libraries, when a book gets old, they'll
Speaker 4: just stamp it with discarded and then throw it out.
Speaker 4: They don't even realize that this goes for two thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: although no one will ever buy a two thousand dollars
Speaker 4: Changing Images of Man book in from nineteen eighty two
Speaker 4: until now, how many times do you think someone checked
Speaker 4: out this very crucial, key global elite text. I want
Speaker 4: you guys to guess how many people Now this is,
Speaker 4: of course a Stanford Research Institute global elitist text that
Speaker 4: was actually a textbook for it looks like grad school.
Speaker 4: So this was an international relations, systems science and systems
Speaker 4: analysis textbook. It says at the beginning it was a textbook,
Speaker 4: so I'm assuming it means for high level international relations
Speaker 4: or sociology. Most of you say three or two. You
Speaker 4: are correct. It is two. In the decades of existence,
Speaker 4: two people checked out Changing Images of Man in that
Speaker 4: entire time, two two people. Now, before I owned my
Speaker 4: own copy of Tragedy and Hope, my university library had
Speaker 4: a copy of Tragedy and Hope, I checked it out.
Speaker 4: Guess how many people before me had checked out Tragedy
Speaker 4: and Hope two. So even in the university sphere, no
Speaker 4: one is checking out these books. Seventeen, it wasn't seventeen.
Speaker 4: That was like three counting me. And by the way,
Speaker 4: I am about forty pages in and it's going to
Speaker 4: be a good one. This music is a little watch man.
Speaker 4: It is not exactly what I expected, because I read
Speaker 4: a little bit of this ten years ago, you know,
Speaker 4: with the PDF when I first heard about it online,
Speaker 4: and I was like, this looks like it will be interesting.
Speaker 4: But now that I'm about forty pages in, it's it
Speaker 4: is not what I expected it to be. It's a
Speaker 4: little more focused on perennialism and mystical philosophy than I expected.
Speaker 4: Now it may go off in other directions, but that
Speaker 4: isn't what I really expected this to be about. In
Speaker 4: the first forty or fifty pages, I mean, it mentions
Speaker 4: actual members of perennial philosophy. It mentions, you know, Alvis
Speaker 4: Huxley's perennial philosophy. It mentions a Queeran conspiracy. It mentions
Speaker 4: the wholeons Idea from Freed, the of Copra, and from
Speaker 4: Ghost of the Machine, all of which are key global
Speaker 4: elite texts that we have covered over the years. So
Speaker 4: it's going to be a very fascinating analysis and it
Speaker 4: will be another one of these great example texts that
Speaker 4: show the future is planned and the future is steered,
Speaker 4: and it's planned and steered. In regard to what this
Speaker 4: book is talking about through high level academia, the majority
Speaker 4: of this book is focusing on indoctrinating the intelligencia class,
Speaker 4: the people that are getting their PhDs in you know,
Speaker 4: systems analysis, international relations, social sciences. It's from a high
Speaker 4: tier academic press, Pergamon Press. We have people like Willis Harmon,
Speaker 4: Joseph Campbell our key figures in this as well as
Speaker 4: Willis Harmon from orscuse me, I want to say Croyl
Speaker 4: youngkom Up as well. At some point Ernest Laslow is
Speaker 4: also important here. So what we get when we look
Speaker 4: at books like this, you say, I don't care about this.
Speaker 4: Why should I care what some old textbook has in it?
Speaker 4: Why do you do this? This is the textbook that
Speaker 4: indoctrinated the high level elite boomers that rule today. So
Speaker 4: you understand that boomers that we're getting their PhD back
Speaker 4: in the early eighties are really the ones running things now,
Speaker 4: even though they're beginning to get older and sort of
Speaker 4: retire and whatnot. This is the kind of textbook that
Speaker 4: they would be reading, right, people studying at the Kissinger
Speaker 4: Chair or something like that to have the next place
Speaker 4: after Kissinger in the establishment. And there actually is such
Speaker 4: thing as a Kissinger chair. I think it's a University
Speaker 4: of Chicago or somewhere. But so you know, this is
Speaker 4: up there with between two ages by Brazenski. It's that
Speaker 4: kind of a book. Patriarch Mark says that Pergramat Press
Speaker 4: was actually a Robert Maxwell. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so what McMillan Publishers or whatever it was that was
Speaker 4: owned by it, says Maxwell House. So you're right, it
Speaker 4: says Pergamont Press, Maxwell House, New York, exactly right. And
Speaker 4: I think what's interesting is the very first quote of
Speaker 4: the book is from Uthont, who was the Secretary General
Speaker 4: of the United Nations, and he says the very beginning
Speaker 4: that the entire purpose of this book, or assume me
Speaker 4: that the entire purpose of the United Nations and everything
Speaker 4: we're all about is global government and depopulation. That's it says,
Speaker 4: we have these goals global partnership, global disarmament, and disarmament
Speaker 4: doesn't just mean nukes and the government. It means you
Speaker 4: also not having self defense. It means fabian socialism and
Speaker 4: mass depopulation in whatever ways, in whatever forms. That's what
Speaker 4: it means. Man. And remember, population control is not just
Speaker 4: sterilization in babies. That's part of it. Population control also
Speaker 4: means literal control of the population. Hence why already within
Speaker 4: the first forty pages of this book there were multiple
Speaker 4: mentions of the coming socialist technocracy electrodes implants, microchips, and
Speaker 4: techniques and strategies for depopulation, so all at the very beginning.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that I didn't expect early on
Speaker 4: was that they actually highlight how important religion will be.
Speaker 4: Particularly what they're talking about in nineteen eighty two seems
Speaker 4: to be something akin to New Age and Far Eastern
Speaker 4: religious concepts, So the continuation of the sixties counterculture New
Speaker 4: Age movement further being funded and foisted into the public
Speaker 4: sphere to train people into things like being dinks, being neotonous,
Speaker 4: being arrested, development, etc. It actually says this in order
Speaker 4: that the population growth be curved. They also cite Jonah
Speaker 4: Salk Survival The Wisest, which I've lectured through that entire
Speaker 4: book as well. So all of the Global Elite texts
Speaker 4: I noticed, well, we've got already like ten of them
Speaker 4: cited in the very first forty pages of Changing Images
Speaker 4: a Man. So it's going to be a great one.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a classic, I think, in the
Speaker 4: Global Elite series, and I'm so glad to have a
Speaker 4: hard copy version of it to actually finally get into.
Speaker 4: All Right, but that's not what we're talking about today.
Speaker 4: I just want to give you us an update with
Speaker 4: the first forty page of Changing Images of Man, one
Speaker 4: of the classic globally texts that we just didn't get
Speaker 4: to until in Divine Providence I was given a hard copy.
Speaker 4: So again, thank you to the guy who sent that.
Speaker 4: Shout out to that dude. All Right, so we're going
Speaker 4: to get back into some of the classics about the
Speaker 4: Vatican and the geopolitical side of things that we've covered many,
Speaker 4: many times. But as we say, it has been many years.
Speaker 4: I want to remind you that the course that the
Speaker 4: Vatican took, you can't isolate this to the twentieth century
Speaker 4: or to the liberalism of the time. Of Gregory the
Speaker 4: sixteenth and marari Vas or any of these papal texts.
Speaker 4: The liberalism from the Orthodox perspective actually goes back to
Speaker 4: the papacy being the original Protestantism. And the reason that
Speaker 4: we say the papacy is the original Protestantism is because
Speaker 4: the church abandoned in Rome, abandoned the earlier sonodal collegials
Speaker 4: structure that Rome now admits was the structure of the
Speaker 4: Church of the first thousand years. If you read the
Speaker 4: Chi eighty document, as you've heard us point out many times,
Speaker 4: which is a Vatican approved document on the Eastern model
Speaker 4: of the Church, it admits that the Bishop of Rome
Speaker 4: did not have unilateral universal jurisdiction in the first millennium.
Speaker 4: That's a massive admission that Orthodox have complained about and
Speaker 4: critiqued for a millennium. So what happened though when Rome
Speaker 4: went in this direction, Well, it sort of necessarily fell
Speaker 4: into a kind of geopolitical world power structure. And it's
Speaker 4: not just the greed of the popes or something like
Speaker 4: that that led to that. That's part of it. But
Speaker 4: we also have to understand that there were historical factors
Speaker 4: the fall of Rome to the barbarians in four hundred
Speaker 4: and four to ten, the rise of the prominence of
Speaker 4: the Bishop of Rome to also be a kind of
Speaker 4: a cultural hegemony at the time, the rise of the
Speaker 4: papal states, the rise of these things which contributed to
Speaker 4: the ever growing worldly geopolitical prestige of the Bishop of Rome. Now,
Speaker 4: from the Orthodox perspective, we didn't suddenly decide to just
Speaker 4: break communion in ten fifty four or whenever, just willy nilly.
Speaker 4: From our vantage point, the papacy, after many, many centuries,
Speaker 4: and I'll use the Gavin Ortland term, began to have
Speaker 4: accretions when it came to their own view of themselves.
Speaker 4: So what was originally from our perspective, you see this
Speaker 4: in the Canons of Nicea, for example, Canon six a
Speaker 4: first among equals relationship, or in the Canons of Sartika,
Speaker 4: for example, a first among equals with an appleate structure
Speaker 4: where you could ask for a retrial, none of which
Speaker 4: is the vat one model of a unilateral autocratic Roma.
Speaker 4: Spoken cases closed, right, So maybe I need to remind
Speaker 4: you all again of this because this always gets forgotten
Speaker 4: and Roman Catholics just do not read their documents. They
Speaker 4: just assume what Roman Catholic dogmatic theology is from whatever gibbering,
Speaker 4: yapping pap apologists they hear on the internet and they
Speaker 4: repeat it like a bunch of minor birds and chirping goobers,
Speaker 4: when in fact it says very clearly in their own
Speaker 4: documents that appeals in the appellate structure, this is the
Speaker 4: Canons of Sartica that they like to appeal to, was
Speaker 4: not a unilateral Bishop of Rome decides what's right. In fact,
Speaker 4: the appellate structure allowed for the Bishop of Rome to,
Speaker 4: if he deemed it appropriate, order a retrial to be
Speaker 4: conducted in Rome. No, no, no, in that bishop's province.
Speaker 4: So you see this is nothing like the claims of
Speaker 4: the vatican I apologists. And that's why you'll see me
Speaker 4: referring to the documents that the Roman Catholics never refer to.
Speaker 4: They don't go to their documents. They give you this spill,
Speaker 4: this bad car salesman pitch, but they don't go to
Speaker 4: their documents. You'll notice there that it's not just Rome
Speaker 4: that had an appleate structure. You could actually appeal to
Speaker 4: other seas as well that were important, such as Constantinople.
Speaker 4: See that right there. Appeals regarding disciplinary matters were also
Speaker 4: made to Constantinople and to other seas, so it wasn't
Speaker 4: even a unilateral only to Rome thing. They were always
Speaker 4: treated in a whatnodal way, not unilateral autocratic way. And
Speaker 4: what's the last line. The Bishop of Rome did not
Speaker 4: exercise canonical authority over the churches of the East in
Speaker 4: the first mining. That is contrary to all of Vatican
Speaker 4: one's claims. So from our perspective, what happens is that
Speaker 4: Rome doesn't overnight go bad. It wasn't there from the beginning.
Speaker 4: Over many centuries, the Roman Sea's view of itself grew
Speaker 4: into a position that was eventually untenable by the East.
Speaker 4: That's our position. Now, another really well done introductory book
Speaker 4: on this is Two Paths by Michael Welton. But if
Speaker 4: you go to the chapter that most concerns us today,
Speaker 4: and this is chapter five, you'll note that Michael Welton's
Speaker 4: chapter five is about the Gregorian Revolution and the deeper
Speaker 4: that you go into the Gregorian Revolution in this period.
Speaker 4: I read several books just on this period. This is
Speaker 4: not me just picking this. I'm telling you that this
Speaker 4: is an orthodox book that is summarizing what you will
Speaker 4: find in the academic literature, and even Roman Catholic academic
Speaker 4: literature from Dvornik or Kongar basically admits most of these points. Now,
Speaker 4: in the eleventh century, in what's called called the Gregorian
Speaker 4: Reform or the if you're Orthodox, the Gregorian Revolution, the
Speaker 4: papacy took on openly, massive, explicit geopolitical world power. Now,
Speaker 4: keep in mind in the Canons of Chalcedon, it is
Speaker 4: forbidden for clerics to also have a role in the
Speaker 4: civil state. And I have to talk very slow because
Speaker 4: every time I talked to Roman Catholics about this and
Speaker 4: we just got they cannot understand this. When I talk
Speaker 4: about Unham sanctum, they get lost. They don't understand what
Speaker 4: it is I'm saying. So I'm going to be very clear.
Speaker 4: Hopefully this is where it becomes a geopolitical secular power.
Speaker 4: So let's take the two powers model, church and state.
Speaker 4: The state pertains to the things of the body, to
Speaker 4: this life, to justice, to the death penalty, to war,
Speaker 4: et cetera. The church deals with things of the spirit,
Speaker 4: the soul, the inn man. Right, So there's a body
Speaker 4: soul relationship that's often used of the two powers idea,
Speaker 4: the temporal earthly power and the spiritual heavenly power. Due
Speaker 4: to the papal forgeries in part and the claims of
Speaker 4: the Gregorian papacy, the argument began to be made that,
Speaker 4: especially in Dictatus pope As you know, because the Pope
Speaker 4: is the head of the Church, that makes him also
Speaker 4: the head of the temporal bodily world as well. So
Speaker 4: he's the head of both church and state. And thus
Speaker 4: you must confess this doctrine of the Pope being also
Speaker 4: a world leader, a geopolitical world power to be saved.
Speaker 4: That is Unum sanctum. And the last paragraph of Unam
Speaker 4: Sanctum is about this issue. Not only must you confess
Speaker 4: the pope as the head of the spiritual power, you
Speaker 4: must also confess the pope as the head of all
Speaker 4: kings and emperors and a world emperor power to be saved.
Speaker 4: And if you don't, you are not in convenient with
Speaker 4: the Roman pontiff, and you cannot be saved. Clear as
Speaker 4: day now, Unam Sanctum is written by Boniface the Eighth
Speaker 4: in thirteen oh two, so this is actually a few
Speaker 4: centuries after Dictatus pope h, which says essentially the same
Speaker 4: thing in what year is dictats Poppa? Let's see.
Speaker 3: Mh.
Speaker 4: This is really annoying because this used to always come
Speaker 4: up first, and now it doesn't come.
Speaker 3: Up when I want it.
Speaker 4: It's just really annoying. Any this is it ten ninety Okay?
Speaker 4: So between ten ninety when this is first stated as
Speaker 4: far as we know in the Papal registry, and then
Speaker 4: explicitly formulated and mandated by thirteen oh two, it's made
Speaker 4: abundantly clear that this is necessary for salvation. And remember,
Speaker 4: as we've shown in the debates and in the recent videos,
Speaker 4: this is repeated all the way up into the Syllabus
Speaker 4: of Errors and the Vatican one Pious, the Ninth Documents,
Speaker 4: they repeat that you also still have to believe in
Speaker 4: the temporal supremacy of the Roman Bishop to be saved.
Speaker 4: It cannot go away. It's not a flexible doctrine. Now
Speaker 4: post Vatican two, this has all been explicitly discarded. In fact,
Speaker 4: the papacy has worked to decatholicize Christian states and everybody
Speaker 4: knows about this. Even Benedicted participated in this. So you
Speaker 4: essentially have the rejection of the medieval doctrine, the medieval
Speaker 4: Latin papal doctrine of the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop.
Speaker 4: But what also happens during this period that are going
Speaker 4: reforms that most people are not aware of unless you've
Speaker 4: read this history, is that you have one hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty four years of Germanic control of the papacy, including
Speaker 4: twenty one of twenty five popes during this century or
Speaker 4: two centuries, almost appointed by the German crown. Did you
Speaker 4: hear that? So it's preposterous and dishonest when Roman Catholics
Speaker 4: treat Orthodox as subservient to the state, where Cesero papists,
Speaker 4: where Erastians, no, no, no, You had almost two centuries
Speaker 4: where literally German kings appointed twenty one of the twenty
Speaker 4: five popes. The ninth is the first pope to openly
Speaker 4: go into warfare, into battle, the first pope to personally
Speaker 4: go to war, to call for a standing army to
Speaker 4: go to war to be conducted against the Normans, ending
Speaker 4: in his ending a disaster with him being taken prisoner.
Speaker 4: The spectacle of priests, bishops, monks, all bearing arms and swords,
Speaker 4: shedding blood came as a shock to the Byzantines because
Speaker 4: the Byzantines understood that that's not the role of the church,
Speaker 4: that's the role of the state. The Christian state has
Speaker 4: that significance in that that's the two headed eagle, and
Speaker 4: now we have the church side of the two headed
Speaker 4: eagle putting on the temporal crown. This is also the
Speaker 4: period when we first get holy monks that can fight
Speaker 4: warrior monks. There have never been warrior monks prior to this. Okay,
Speaker 4: there's a great chapter on this in another excellent book
Speaker 4: that I recommend, The Christian East and the Rise of
Speaker 4: the Papacy ten seventy one to fourteen fifty three by
Speaker 4: Papa Doccus and Mayandorf. It's a great book, excellent chapters
Speaker 4: on particularly the templars and the rise of the monastic knights.
Speaker 4: Who would fight? Now, are you thinking, let's think about
Speaker 4: this in a practical mode of thought. Here, we've never
Speaker 4: had this before. The papacy decides it's going to have
Speaker 4: warrior monks. Who do you think the warrior monks are
Speaker 4: loyal to and fight for the papacy. So he's creating
Speaker 4: his own army. All of the these new weird monastic
Speaker 4: orders pop up precisely in this Gregorian and post Gregorian period.
Speaker 4: This is page fifty nine of the amazing magisterial Papa
Speaker 4: Doocus Mayandorff History text. And what propped this up, according
Speaker 4: to pages fifty ten fifty three, was the prevalence of
Speaker 4: the forgeries, which George just wrote a two volume book about.
Speaker 4: Volume two is about the forgeries. You can get that
Speaker 4: at Uncut Mountain. Now where did the Leo the ninth
Speaker 4: garner the idea, the belief that he could go into
Speaker 4: war with warrior monks and monastics. Oh, dick Tatus Pope.
Speaker 4: Did you know that? No, the place that he cited actually,
Speaker 4: according page is forty eight forty nine Dick Toadus Poppy.
Speaker 4: Now remember, I know Roman Catholics are ignorant of this.
Speaker 4: They don't have no idea what ancient Canon's taught. But
Speaker 4: in the ancient Canons, even in Chalcidon, etc. You can't
Speaker 4: be a monk and go into war. You can't be
Speaker 4: a priest and fight. It doesn't mean that the state
Speaker 4: can't defend the church, but the church doesn't take up
Speaker 4: the role of the state. You gubers, Now where do
Speaker 4: we get this idea from? Did you know this is
Speaker 4: actually a biblical principle outside of a few exceptions with
Speaker 4: David and Solomon, and I would argue that's due to
Speaker 4: their prophetic role picturing and imaging Christ. Outside of those exceptions,
Speaker 4: what happens when Saul offers sacrifices at the altar? Oh
Speaker 4: Samuel rebukes him. In other words, the king doesn't come
Speaker 4: in and do what the high priest does. The king
Speaker 4: isn't the levite in the New Testament, the king is
Speaker 4: a type of diaconos. Paul calls the ruler the emperor,
Speaker 4: a diaconos who bears the sword for justice. That's the
Speaker 4: death penalty idiots. Then there's a two roll twofold two
Speaker 4: role power, which is symbolized by the Byzantine eagle. The
Speaker 4: church has a spiritual authority to pronounce excommunication and banning
Speaker 4: from the table, from the Eucharist, etc. And in some
Speaker 4: cases the Church might hand people over to the civil state.
Speaker 4: But the Church doesn't grab a sword and lock people's
Speaker 4: heads off, except in the medieval papal system they do.
Speaker 4: That's where it goes. In other words, this alone, if
Speaker 4: you understand this and understand the attitude of the role
Speaker 4: of the church and the state that the Orthodox Catholic
Speaker 4: Church of the first millennium had towards itself, it limited
Speaker 4: itself to not have a secular role. In fact, on
Speaker 4: pages forty four and forty five, this whole idea of
Speaker 4: a secular state comes out of the papacy attempting to
Speaker 4: take power in the state. If you had Christian rulers,
Speaker 4: there would be no need for this, And on page
Speaker 4: thirty eight and thirty nine they point out that the
Speaker 4: papacy originally rejected this idea of the Eastern canonical approach
Speaker 4: so that it could have standing armies and go to war.
Speaker 4: Now I might let me make sure I didn't get
Speaker 4: this wrong. Let me let me let me state this
Speaker 4: right from the outset. Leo the ninth was determined to
Speaker 4: make the papacy an instrument of spiritual and moral rejuvenation
Speaker 4: in Rome and throughout Europe. To this end, Leo journeyed
Speaker 4: to the central and south of Italy, but also to
Speaker 4: France and Germany and across the Alps three times. Nearly
Speaker 4: four and a half years of his five year pontificate
Speaker 4: were in fact spent outside of Rome. The numerous regional
Speaker 4: reforming synods held during this period of lengthy sojourns often
Speaker 4: had as their target the traffic and ecclesiastical offices and
Speaker 4: unchased clergy. So the motivation wasn't just power. They did
Speaker 4: want to reform the lax state of the clergy in
Speaker 4: the Roman jurisdiction. Their object was to rid the Church
Speaker 4: of abuses by restoring canonical discipline. The need to reassert
Speaker 4: about the validity and the binding power of canon law
Speaker 4: for all clergy was repeatedly emphasized. However, this is not
Speaker 4: Eastern canon law but papal law. Oh well, that all
Speaker 4: sounds good. So where's the problem. Well, here we go.
Speaker 4: This is where this becomes problematic. The attempt was to
Speaker 4: originally decree canons against simony, sexual laxity amongst the clergy,
Speaker 4: sexual laxity in local synods and how they ruled. And
Speaker 4: many priests at this time had concubines. Many were suspended,
Speaker 4: deposed and excommunicated. The object, in short, was to punish
Speaker 4: all the offenders, and even if the synods were not
Speaker 4: always successful, no one doubted that Leo the ninth and
Speaker 4: his team of like maned assistants were serious in their reforms. However,
Speaker 4: after all, to say it once more, the papacy until
Speaker 4: then had no sense of itself as an international body
Speaker 4: that had responsibilities for the entire world beyond the Alps,
Speaker 4: and for Christian Christian Europe as a whole as confining
Speaker 4: history as its confining history during the post Carolinian age
Speaker 4: illustrates Rome, until this time had rarely interfered outside of Italy. Now,
Speaker 4: how is Vatican won true if that's the case. By contrast,
Speaker 4: in ten forty nine, it was being extolled as the
Speaker 4: undisputed center of all of Latin Christendom, the supreme, divinely
Speaker 4: ordained authority of the Church universal. If anything, papal activism
Speaker 4: forced Europe to take notice. The Church of Rome was
Speaker 4: thus on the threshold of an entirely new age. Pope
Speaker 4: Leo effect transformed them into an immediate principal councilor of
Speaker 4: advisors known as the cardinals. This is where we get
Speaker 4: the office of the cardinal, which there was no cardinals
Speaker 4: in the first millennium of Christianity. By the way, So,
Speaker 4: by the way, if you want to understand like the
Speaker 4: fact that this is a totally different church, just look
Speaker 4: at the cardinals who Leo the Ninth just creates right
Speaker 4: by decree in ten fifty nine, the cardinal bishops when
Speaker 4: in fact be honored with metropolitan authority and choose the
Speaker 4: election of a new pope. Now, Ron mccalliy said, well,
Speaker 4: the pope can do whatever he wants, so who cares? Interesting,
Speaker 4: So the pope can do whatever he wants. Who cares?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: But actually, nowadays the pope's held by tradition. He can't
Speaker 4: do whatever. So it's not somebody clear exactly how the
Speaker 4: pope can do whatever he wants. But he's also not
Speaker 4: able to do what ever he wants. Oh, he's biled
Speaker 4: by tradition. This is also the period where the Roman
Speaker 4: Church universally begins to mandate celibacy for all the clergy.
Speaker 4: Even though they had already waffled on Trollo's allowing for
Speaker 4: married clergy, this was the period when they began to
Speaker 4: enforce it. The first cardinal election was ten fifty nine.
Speaker 4: And by the way, I think I got it backwards,
Speaker 4: it's actually Leo the ninth who's first. He's Gregory the
Speaker 4: seventh before Gregory the seventh. So it's it's Leo the
Speaker 4: ninth that goes to war and has all the principles
Speaker 4: that Gregory the seventh then puts into Dictatus pape so
Speaker 4: I got that. I think I got that backwards. Part
Speaker 4: of the controversy, by the way, side note that led
Speaker 4: to the rise of the authority on the part of
Speaker 4: the Bishop of Rome in terms of claims for himself
Speaker 4: was the controversy between Gregory the seventh and Henry the third.
Speaker 4: And if I recall, this is the I'm going for. Remember,
Speaker 4: but I think I think he imprisoned the pope and
Speaker 4: then in response the pope got out and then made
Speaker 4: him like stand outside in the snow to repent or whatever.
Speaker 4: And so this is what led the pope to say, Aha, see,
Speaker 4: I have to be above all the world rulers or
Speaker 4: they will imprison me. So this is his rationale. So yeah,
Speaker 4: So it's Leo the knights beliefs that lead to Gregory
Speaker 4: the seventh principles listed in Dictatus Pape and that's covered
Speaker 4: on pages forty eight and forty nine of this book.
Speaker 4: And of course after this is this period. By the way,
Speaker 4: let's see, the first time the word vicar of Christ
Speaker 4: is ever used is this period, and that's admitted by Kongar.
Speaker 4: So this is page fifty. No one had ever used
Speaker 4: this term vicar of Christ. Although I take that back.
Speaker 4: According to Papadacus, the term Vicar of Christ was actually
Speaker 4: used for the emperor, and then it becomes the title
Speaker 4: for the pope uses in the West. So when Roman
Speaker 4: Catholics use the phrase vicar of Christ, you can point
Speaker 4: out to them, Oh, you mean the same term that
Speaker 4: was used for the emperor prior to ten fifty nine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when was it ever used prior to ten fifty nine
Speaker 4: for the Roman bishop. By the end of the century,
Speaker 4: Pope Innocent the third was already discarding the formula representative
Speaker 4: or vicar of Peter, and now he used the term
Speaker 4: Vicar of Christ. The text goes on to talk about
Speaker 4: the forgeries being a key to this period, and it
Speaker 4: was actually the entire Eastern Church which was the basis
Speaker 4: for Dictatus Pope itself. Dictatus popy is directed against the
Speaker 4: Eastern Church. Then we get the new weird monastic fighting orders.
Speaker 4: Who are the agents that prop up the new papacy?
Speaker 4: Does that not make a lot of sense? We get
Speaker 4: Bernard of Clairvaux, we get the templars, we get the hospitalers,
Speaker 4: the papal assassins of this period, and it will based
Speaker 4: trad Notice how they don't even care that the very
Speaker 4: rise of a papacy with a sword undercuts the notion
Speaker 4: of a Christian state. They don't even realize that this
Speaker 4: undoes the very thing that they think is based in
Speaker 4: trad a Christian state, because it's no longer a duty
Speaker 4: and a role of a Christian king or emperor. It's
Speaker 4: now the role of the head of the Church, the
Speaker 4: spiritual power. So it's confusing the spheres of authority and
Speaker 4: power again. Leo the Ninth first pope to personally go
Speaker 4: to war. This is a new revolutionary order, and in
Speaker 4: fact it is these claims and reforms in part that
Speaker 4: spawn the Protestant Reformation. So far from Roman Catholics blaming
Speaker 4: everybody else for this and Luther and this, and that,
Speaker 4: they have only to blame themselves for the nonsense of
Speaker 4: Dictata's pape, Leo the Ninth and warrior monks now, to
Speaker 4: be precise, in terms of this triple crown, as you know,
Speaker 4: the papal tirra or triple crown, was supposed to signify
Speaker 4: the triplicity of authority, that the pope has right in heaven,
Speaker 4: on earth, and under the earth, and that he's above
Speaker 4: all the state rulers as well. John Paul the second,
Speaker 4: Excuse me, John Paul the First was the first pope
Speaker 4: to reject receiving the papal tiara, again showing you that
Speaker 4: the Vatican two popes have rejected the notion of the
Speaker 4: Christian state. That's why Vatican two is nothing about the
Speaker 4: Christian state and all about freedom of conscience, freedom of worship,
Speaker 4: of private interpretation, all that stuff. Now I mean when
Speaker 4: I say private interpretation, I'm talking about the right of
Speaker 4: the conscience of the individual and all that which prior
Speaker 4: to that is condemned many times over in many papal documents. Oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, when Leo the ninth was challenged on
Speaker 4: why he could go to war and why he could
Speaker 4: have vast landholdings, guess what he cited as his basis.
Speaker 4: You got it, the donation of Constantine, the infamous universally
Speaker 4: admitted forgery. M Now, it's funny too that after this
Speaker 4: period is the first the first discussion of the paper
Speaker 4: the Here's an interesting question that you never hear of
Speaker 4: the Roman Catholics raise when is the first mention of
Speaker 4: infallibility for the Bishop of Roman. Does anybody know it's explicit,
Speaker 4: like an explicit referen as to the infallibility of the
Speaker 4: Bishop of Rome. Now, if this was always the teaching
Speaker 4: of the church, presumably it would have been in the
Speaker 4: first thousand years. But no, it turns out there's not
Speaker 4: a mention of this in the first thousand years. Well,
Speaker 4: when was the first mention of papal infallibility, specifically of
Speaker 4: Historian Brian Tierney has shown that papal infallibility itself did
Speaker 4: not develop slowly, but was created by members of the
Speaker 4: Franciscan order at the end of the thirteenth century because
Speaker 4: it suited their convenience to invent this doctrine. Pope John
Speaker 4: the twenty second attacked their doctrine of evangelical poverty, and
Speaker 4: in thirteen twenty four, John the twenty second actually condemned
Speaker 4: papal infallibility as a novel. He also got in trouble
Speaker 4: for other doctrines, and he's one of the popes that
Speaker 4: Roman Catholics will argue over as to whether he actually
Speaker 4: taught heresy anyway, regardless, John the twenty second was, he says,
Speaker 4: the Franciscan leaders defended the cherished papal bull on the
Speaker 4: grounds that it was irreformable and it's very irreformability logically
Speaker 4: presupposed papal and fallibility. John the twenty second, however, was
Speaker 4: not interested in personal papal and fallibility. For him, infallibility
Speaker 4: would place him in a straight jacket, limiting his powers
Speaker 4: and thus limiting the reigning ponted by the infallible declaration
Speaker 4: of every predecessor. March of thirteen twenty two, John the
Speaker 4: twenty second issued the Bull Extravagantes, in which he maintained
Speaker 4: the right of a reigning pope's right to annul any
Speaker 4: of the decrees and judgments of his predecessors. So this
Speaker 4: is fascinating because John the twenties this is Think about
Speaker 4: how crazy this is. John the twenty second doesn't want
Speaker 4: to admit papal infallibility because the Franciscans are saying there
Speaker 4: has to be papal and fallibility, because that would make
Speaker 4: John the twenty second bound by his predecessors. John twenty
Speaker 4: second is saying, I am not bound by my predecessors,
Speaker 4: and that's there isn't papal infallibility, because I can thus
Speaker 4: a null or create judgments against or for my predecessors.
Speaker 4: This is so goofy. In thirteen twenty four, he issues
Speaker 4: another bull called quia quirndum quarundom, in which he preempt
Speaker 4: contemptuously proclaims that papal irreformability and infallibility is a pernicious
Speaker 4: audacity that the Father of lies has led the Franciscans
Speaker 4: to declare. Now, let's here's a great quote from normy
Speaker 4: papal apologists, just to show you how dishonest and ignorant
Speaker 4: they are. This is from uh who is this? Radio
Speaker 4: replies by Leslie Rumble and Charles Cardi, Roman Catholic writers.
Speaker 4: They this is what they say before the definition of
Speaker 4: papal infallibility in eighteen seventy, the popes did not know
Speaker 4: that they were infallible with the same clarity as Slater popes.
Speaker 4: But they were infallible. So papal infallibility was there, just
Speaker 4: nobody knew about it. But they still had it. It
Speaker 4: was there, but they didn't even know. This thing is
Speaker 4: how stupid this position. This is actual romancalic apology. This
Speaker 4: is tan books papal apologetics. I mean talk about smoke
Speaker 4: and mirrors and just it's just crazy, dude, it's a
Speaker 4: crazy funhouse. Well, you may be familiar with this period
Speaker 4: because this is also when we get the great Schism
Speaker 4: of the West, and why would we even have the
Speaker 4: great Schism of the West if it were not the
Speaker 4: papacy directly wrapped up in geopolitical power. Because we get
Speaker 4: three claimants to the See of Rome, the See of
Speaker 4: Rome eventually gets solved in terms of its claimant through
Speaker 4: guess what an ecumenical council. So imagine trying to think
Speaker 4: that the Council of Constance which decided which pope would
Speaker 4: be the pope. But at the same time, according to
Speaker 4: Vatican One, your dogma is that no pope is above
Speaker 4: a council. I mean you mean no councils are a
Speaker 4: spirit of popes. In fact, when anti Pope John resigned
Speaker 4: and the Council of Constance said that it would be
Speaker 4: Pope Martin that would be chosen as the legitimate Pope,
Speaker 4: Pope Martin wrote inter Cunctas which said that no one
Speaker 4: is superior to an ecumenical Council of the Church, which
Speaker 4: is the head of the church. That's inter cunctas of
Speaker 4: Pope Martin. Well, it's not infallible, doesn't accept it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's only infallible when you agree with it, and when
Speaker 4: the popes do something wrong or contradict, suddenly it's not infallible,
Speaker 4: which means essentially that it's a worthless system. It's like
Speaker 4: a Protestant saying the verse means what I wanted to
Speaker 4: mean when I like it, and if you ciite a
Speaker 4: verse against me, it doesn't mean that. So Roman Catholics
Speaker 4: are Protestant explos they're the first Protestants. Now in terms
Speaker 4: of religious liberty, we already listed in multiple livestreams all
Speaker 4: the condemnations of religious liberty, and yet it is the
Speaker 4: most important thing, one of the most important things. Throughout
Speaker 4: Vatican two Impact there's an entire document on how crucial
Speaker 4: religious liberty is, even though it was condemned, and even
Speaker 4: though if you go back to the Fourth Latteran Council,
Speaker 4: anyone who would not exterminate heretics was excommunicated. So kings
Speaker 4: at the Fourth Lattering Council who will not germinate heretics
Speaker 4: are excommunicated. Fast forward to Vaticantu in nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 4: Religious liberty and freedom of conscience and freedom of worship
Speaker 4: are fundamental human rights, guaranteed every work to everyone at
Speaker 4: all times. I mean, this is a joke. This thing
Speaker 4: is actually a ridiculous joke, and they just can't accept it.
Speaker 4: It's so earth shattering and frightening that they can't accept that.
Speaker 4: So that's the background of the geopolitical situation that the
Speaker 4: papers they found itself in throughout these centuries. And I'm
Speaker 4: sure we all know about the Renaissance papacy with the
Speaker 4: medicis and all that kind of stuff and Alexander the
Speaker 4: Six And if you've ever watched Jeremy Irons playing the Borgias,
Speaker 4: that's actually a good series. You get another insight into
Speaker 4: the insane, preposterous levels of worldliness during that period. Which
Speaker 4: it's not a moral critique. I understand that plenty of
Speaker 4: Orthodox bishops throughout the world have been luxurious and corrupt
Speaker 4: and all that. So the argument here is not about
Speaker 4: moral corruption or impeccability. The argument is about a doctrinal change,
Speaker 4: an ecclesiastical change in the structure of the church and
Speaker 4: in the doctrines of the church, to say that the
Speaker 4: pope can now have standing armies, go to war, excommunicate
Speaker 4: entire nations when their kings don't go to war for
Speaker 4: them to fill the papal coffers. And it's these things
Speaker 4: in part that led to the Reformation. That doesn't mean
Speaker 4: the Reformation doctrines are good, but the critiques of the
Speaker 4: reformers are not without substantial basis. That's the point. By
Speaker 4: the way, guys, welcome, We got over a thousand people.
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Speaker 4: great books there so far. Let's talk about just a
Speaker 4: couple pointers from history that are relevant as well. Obviously
Speaker 4: we can't go through all of history here, but everyone
Speaker 4: should read diktatas pape if you've never read it, and
Speaker 4: then you should go and read the one page doctrine
Speaker 4: a document. When I'm saying to them, hopefully you can
Speaker 4: read one page. It's not too much of a strain
Speaker 4: on you, guys. And also, yeah, so in nineteen oh six,
Speaker 4: the Jewish Encyclopedia had a fascinating intro which I've read
Speaker 4: for years that and I couldn't find it though, but
Speaker 4: it is being pl up here via Gemini, so it
Speaker 4: is accurate, even though I can't find the actual Jewish
Speaker 4: psocrapedia reference, so I think it's just under the Rothchilds.
Speaker 4: It points out that the Rothchilds have been the guardians
Speaker 4: of the Papal treasury. Interesting, and this goes back for
Speaker 4: many centuries. I think to the seventeen hundreds is when
Speaker 4: they were given this title. And if you look up
Speaker 4: Rathchild loans to the Holy See, you will find that
Speaker 4: there have been many of these over the centuries, well,
Speaker 4: mainly over the last couple centuries.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: In fact, the Vatican Bank itself comes out of this
Speaker 4: whole management structure of the Rothchild family being the bankers
Speaker 4: to and for the Holy See. This relationship was a
Speaker 4: notable aspect of the Rothchild's family's extensive involvement in European
Speaker 4: finance throughout the seventh century. Let's see if we can
Speaker 4: find it here in the Jews. Executy. Oh, look, there
Speaker 4: we go two million francs in eighteen forty five to
Speaker 4: the Papal states.
Speaker 3: Right there.
Speaker 4: Now there's more than one. Here's sixteen million francs to
Speaker 4: the Papal States in eighteen thirty one. These are loans
Speaker 4: the guardians of the papal treasure. There So who are
Speaker 4: the guardians of the papal treasure? According to the Jewish
Speaker 4: encyclopedia the Rothschralds, And even here it lists the papal
Speaker 4: states as the receivers of at least two massive loans
Speaker 4: from the French Rothchild's sixty million francs. Two million francs.
Speaker 4: That's just two of them. Here's another one for four
Speaker 4: hundred pounds that must be from the British Childs. Now
Speaker 4: why are we bringing that up. Well, because a lot
Speaker 4: of people argue and try to give the impression that, oh,
Speaker 4: the corruption that we see or the problems that we see,
Speaker 4: that these are the liberals of Vatican two, the liberalism
Speaker 4: of Vatican two. Well, if you're aware of medieval church history,
Speaker 4: you already can see can see that. It's not a
Speaker 4: question of can I link it. You can't go to
Speaker 4: the Jewish encyclopedia and just look up Rothchild for yourselves.
Speaker 4: You goes that lazy. It's not a question of the
Speaker 4: liberalism of the nineteen sixties. I mean, that's a role
Speaker 4: that plays a role in it. But what we're illustrating here.
Speaker 4: What we're pointing out is the centuries of problems and
Speaker 4: corruption stemming from what stemming from dogmatic change and contradiction
Speaker 4: stemming from an alteration after ten fifty four that the
Speaker 4: papacy itself admits was not the structure of the church
Speaker 4: for the first thousand years, and it begins to be
Speaker 4: a cardinalate, imperial banking structure, a corporate structure, and there's
Speaker 4: actually books been written about modern corporations are actually modeled
Speaker 4: on the structure of the Vatican. Hey, Jamie, when you
Speaker 4: got a chance because you made me an express so
Speaker 4: well you hear me, thank you. So the original business
Speaker 4: church is actually the papacy. Let me give you an
Speaker 4: example from another book that we've not really gotten to yet.
Speaker 4: I've only read a little bit of it. As you
Speaker 4: guys know, we did do a recent talk from Paul
Speaker 4: Williams's book on the history of al Qaeda. We also
Speaker 4: did some years back the entirety of Paul Williams's Operation Gladio.
Speaker 4: And it turns out he has another book on the
Speaker 4: Vatican Bank and its background in history. And I'm not
Speaker 4: lectured through this book yet. But again, Paulliams is a
Speaker 4: mainline Catholic historian and professor who consulted with the FBI
Speaker 4: for many years. So he's not in any way a
Speaker 4: conspiracy theorist, and he's very much an accepted establishment kind
Speaker 4: of you know, Catholic personage. But he notes that the
Speaker 4: reason for the establishment of the Vatican Bank was, as
Speaker 4: we've seen, the most secretive bank in the world that
Speaker 4: has never been audited, and thus, as a sovereign bank
Speaker 4: in a sovereign state, because the Vatican is its own
Speaker 4: city state, it becomes a perfect means and method for
Speaker 4: money laundering and black ops and the funding of illicit
Speaker 4: things and lo and behold, it has always been involved
Speaker 4: in those things, and many of these scandals have come out.
Speaker 4: You may or may not have heard this. It's the
Speaker 4: Vatican Bank scandals many of the In fact, there have
Speaker 4: been recent Vatican Bank scandals, but there were Vatican Bank
Speaker 4: scandals in the sixties and seventies tied to Gladio and
Speaker 4: the mafia that are very well known. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to reheard, but if you would like a decent documentary
Speaker 4: that gets into Bishop Marcinkus, the Banco Dembrosio UH and
Speaker 4: Leccio Gelli Head La Mafia and Roberto Kalvi being killed
Speaker 4: and assassinated as a result of all this. There are
Speaker 4: good documentaries that have been around for a long time,
Speaker 4: and you don't have to thus read all these long books.
Speaker 4: Let's see, you know what, I might actually this might
Speaker 4: be better on just a little hint here. If you're
Speaker 4: looking for older, classic kind of documentaries, stuff that doesn't
Speaker 4: pop up anymore, just use yandex and almost always comes
Speaker 4: up on yandex. Look at that right there, right away.
Speaker 4: I think this is it. Yeah, this is it, this
Speaker 4: older blurry documentary. It's not actually Press TV. I think
Speaker 4: this is made by CBC or something else. It's actually
Speaker 4: a good documentary, but you can't get it to come
Speaker 4: up on like YouTube or Google. You have to use yandex. Yeah, exactly, Rachel.
Speaker 4: This is the scandals we know about, imagine what we
Speaker 4: don't know about. So this one is good, and there's
Speaker 4: there's actually several of these. There's one I think maybe
Speaker 4: by the Canadian Broadcasting Company some years back, but I
Speaker 4: don't remember the name of it. See it might be
Speaker 4: this one. Let's see what this is.
Speaker 2: On a quiet night in nineteen eighty two, Italian banker
Speaker 2: Roberto Calvi is on the run. This might be he
Speaker 2: has spent a lifetime working for Banko on bro Ziano,
Speaker 2: a bank whose biggest customer is the Vatican, but now
Speaker 2: he's a fugitive desperately trying to escape the long arm
Speaker 2: of the law. An Italian smuggler arranged for him to
Speaker 2: be driven overnight to Austria, where he shuttled between several
Speaker 2: cities for a few days before boarding in to Rome.
Speaker 4: To consult with the Pope.
Speaker 2: Their financial empirement Jewish banker James de Rothschild, head of
Speaker 2: the family's Paris based headquarters, becomes the official papal banker.
Speaker 4: There you go. Now, I think down the road we'll
Speaker 4: actually probably do a talk on Paul Williams's Vatican stuff.
Speaker 4: But he also in this book discusses the CIA's longtime
Speaker 4: connections with Paul the six because they were worried that
Speaker 4: John the twenty third was to They called him the
Speaker 4: Pink Pope, so they were worried he was a little
Speaker 4: too open to the Soviet into socialism, and so they
Speaker 4: wanted to make sure and thus they were involved in
Speaker 4: the conclave that elected Originally they wanted Cardinal siri, and
Speaker 4: then it ended up being they went with Paul the sixth,
Speaker 4: and after that time, Kissinger met with Paul the six
Speaker 4: very regularly throughout the Cold War, and I think you could.
Speaker 4: You could and Gordon Thomas syn the same thing with
Speaker 4: John Paul the Second, like the CIA met with John
Speaker 4: Paul the Second all the time. But oh well, it
Speaker 4: was a Cold War, okay. Yeah, but I thought that
Speaker 4: the papacy was the guide here, and yet the papacy
Speaker 4: seems to be doing what the CIA wants during the
Speaker 4: Cold War. Interesting why is that? Well, at one point
Speaker 4: the bank called Ambrosio collapse led to the collapse of
Speaker 4: all the banks in Italy, including the Vatican Bank, and
Speaker 4: the roth Tels actually came in I think, with a
Speaker 4: billion dollars and bailed it out. So way, thank you
Speaker 4: guys for the super chat. I appreciate that. Shepherd nine
Speaker 4: one one five dollars yay. I've always appreciate the level
Speaker 4: of research that you put into this. I can see
Speaker 4: why Sam Hide brought you on to write. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, we should have a couple
Speaker 4: of new episodes out in the near future. One of
Speaker 4: them is going to be very ridiculous. So we'll have
Speaker 4: to see. I'm interested to see how many people redeem
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Speaker 4: going to be a wild one. V Scott five dollars.
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Speaker 4: Always thankful for the reiteration of how much of the
Speaker 4: papal nonsense stay strong, Diar, thank you so much. Caucasian
Speaker 4: sent a membership. Thank you Black Flame Nova one hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: If Andrew gets gifts for his grift, so should you.
Speaker 4: Here's for all that you do. Wow, thank you so much. Man,
Speaker 4: appreciate that. Very kind of you, very generous. And uh,
Speaker 4: we also want to mention some of these scandals because
Speaker 4: the point of all this is that this is all interconnected.
Speaker 4: And the reason that we can't point people to this
Speaker 4: institution to rescue Western civilization all that is that it
Speaker 4: is a corrupt from the top down. That's why it's
Speaker 4: that simple. So I know there's a lot of sincere
Speaker 4: Roman Catholics and guys that mean well and they want
Speaker 4: to do right, and they want to oppose corruption and
Speaker 4: all that, and I empathize with it. I sympathize with it.
Speaker 4: I know I was a tradcat. I get it. I
Speaker 4: get it. But the problem is, eventually you realize this
Speaker 4: institution is your enemy. It's not the Orthodox over here
Speaker 4: that are your real enemies. These people that you're fighting
Speaker 4: is it's the revolutionaries in Rome who wear the people might.
Speaker 4: I was going to say the tr but they don't
Speaker 4: wear the tr anymore. So that's that's what you Eventually,
Speaker 4: you eventually get just burnt out trying to defend Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 4: When the people that run Roman Catholicism are your enemies.
Speaker 4: It's a trapped like they're the ones that are really
Speaker 4: fighting you. And once you realize that, it's like, all
Speaker 4: I'm done. It's like why am I? It's like it'd
Speaker 4: be like trying to spend all of your time defending
Speaker 4: Biden and then you go meet Biden and he flips
Speaker 4: you off and poops his pants and tries to thring it,
Speaker 4: fling his senior citizen poop on you. You're like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm done defending Biden. Like this guy is not actually
Speaker 4: my friend and I don't think he likes me. Right,
Speaker 4: we all know Biden was like pooping himself and just
Speaker 4: screwing with his secret service and all these people. It's like,
Speaker 4: You're like, why am I defending this guy? This guy's crazy.
Speaker 4: So let's mentioned in passing that we've we've lectured through
Speaker 4: this whole book, and even if fifty percent of this
Speaker 4: book is correct, let's say fifty percent of this book
Speaker 4: is just wrong, just factually wrong. Even as an FBI
Speaker 4: consultant Paul Wiams got it wrong. Okay, let's say fifty
Speaker 4: percent of the book is wrong. I don't think it is,
Speaker 4: but let's say it is. The other fifty percent that
Speaker 4: is right is enough to show this is an absolutely
Speaker 4: insane or international crime organization. That's why I'm so constantly
Speaker 4: opposed to the Vatican. It's not because I'm mad, it's
Speaker 4: not because I'm jealous. It's not because I envy Nick
Speaker 4: Flintis's audience. It's not because I wish I'm butt hurt
Speaker 4: because constantinople Fell like none of that. It's because I
Speaker 4: was in the domain of tradcat world for many years
Speaker 4: throughout my twenties. I saw it, lived it. I understand
Speaker 4: the insanity and the double think and the craziness that
Speaker 4: it produces. And I don't want Roman Collichs to go
Speaker 4: through that. I want you to be free from that.
Speaker 4: I know you think, oh, you just hate, you just hate.
Speaker 4: I don't like the organized crime goblins in Rome. I
Speaker 4: like Tim Gordon. I love Tim Gordon and his family.
Speaker 4: His family is awesome. He's got all these kids and
Speaker 4: they're great. I want to see Tim Gordon free from
Speaker 4: the shackles and slavery of this organized crime syndicate that
Speaker 4: they believe is infallible. It's just crazy. So to summarize
Speaker 4: in this book, we're not gonna lecture this whole bit.
Speaker 4: I've already lectured through this entire book. You can go
Speaker 4: find it on the channel. The summary is just simply
Speaker 4: that the in nineteen forty seven, the CIA reached out
Speaker 4: to the Vatican to try to make connections because the
Speaker 4: Cold War's kicking off and they want to try to
Speaker 4: ensure that this vast global entity will be on their
Speaker 4: side in the Cold War. And so William Colby and
Speaker 4: other Prior to that, of course, it was the Zionist
Speaker 4: James Jesus Angleton who was at the Rome desk for
Speaker 4: the for the OSS Colby reaches out and they offer
Speaker 4: sixty five million dollars to the Vatican Bank in nineteen
Speaker 4: forty eight to help the Vatican win against the Socialist
Speaker 4: and the Communists in the election. Now the Vatican isn't running,
Speaker 4: but they wanted to support the pro American, pro CIA,
Speaker 4: pro OSS candidates Christian Democrats or whatever they're called. And
Speaker 4: that because obviously, if you're the Vatican, you know you
Speaker 4: don't want communists taken over Italy, right, Because I'm not
Speaker 4: saying the Communists are good, but I'm saying that this
Speaker 4: is the beginning of the alliance with the Vatican and
Speaker 4: the CIA in nineteen forty seven, and particularly here William Colby.
Speaker 4: Now if you don't know who William Colby is, he
Speaker 4: is a very important trad cat Cold War figure. And
Speaker 4: there's a great documentary that his son made and it's
Speaker 4: called The Man Nobody Knew. We've done a whole podcast
Speaker 4: just on this documentary. I highly recommend everybody go watch it.
Speaker 4: It will give you a lot of good context and
Speaker 4: it will back up a lot of the things that
Speaker 4: you hear me talking about that we talked about in
Speaker 4: this book. The Roman Gallic Church at this time reached
Speaker 4: out not just to the Vatican, but I want to
Speaker 4: add also to Hollywood people, Gary Cooper, Frank Sinatra. They
Speaker 4: were also tapped for promotion of Catholicism and Americanism during
Speaker 4: this time period to fight the Cold War. Now, to
Speaker 4: be clear, I am not saying everybody involved in this
Speaker 4: was nefarious and malicious. I understand that at that time
Speaker 4: they thought this was the right thing to do. And
Speaker 4: I definitely believe in private property and human rights and
Speaker 4: well the Ten Commandments, I should say I believe in
Speaker 4: those things, and I don't believe in the NK or
Speaker 4: the Soviet Party's a ligner and that stuff. But that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that that makes all of the Vatican goblins
Speaker 4: and the CIA operatives the good guys. Okay, this is
Speaker 4: just the real politic, the real world, because what happens
Speaker 4: is the means by which they decide to set up
Speaker 4: the funding structure here involves drugs and weapons. And how
Speaker 4: are we going to fund and put money into the
Speaker 4: Vatican Bank and also fund some of these black ops
Speaker 4: when number one, we can't have this public money because
Speaker 4: that will get congressional investigation. So they do it off
Speaker 4: the books, and we're going to use the world's most
Speaker 4: secretive bank, the Vatican Bank, and the Vatican will perhaps
Speaker 4: help us if we need funding for black ops. And
Speaker 4: that's exactly what happened. In fact, many many shell company
Speaker 4: banks are created, and these show companies all end up
Speaker 4: tied into organized crime Sicilian mafia, the mafia in the US,
Speaker 4: and the OSS and CIA. One of the key banks
Speaker 4: tied into this was the Hambrose Brothers Bank, which was
Speaker 4: an OSS and British intelligence bank. Hambrose himself was a
Speaker 4: British jew who set up a bank that would be
Speaker 4: involved in British intelligence operations and it was also tied
Speaker 4: into Opus Day and thus Opus Day becomes one of
Speaker 4: the central links in this chain that would be used
Speaker 4: by the CIA and other individuals in terms of Operation Gladio.
Speaker 4: So this is where Gladio comes in to be to
Speaker 4: be funded through the stuff that we're talking about. Eventually, however,
Speaker 4: this collapsed. And what's fascinating when I made a video
Speaker 4: back when FTX collapsed, because the structure of FTX and
Speaker 4: it's scam is actually really close to the same pyramid
Speaker 4: style structure scam of the collapse of the Bank of Ambrosio.
Speaker 4: And thus the Vatican Bank and others. Twenty two billion
Speaker 4: dollars were lost. And they were basically betting with people's
Speaker 4: other people's money. Particularly, they were betting with everybody in
Speaker 4: Italy's pension money. Isn't that crazy? Now, Specifically on the
Speaker 4: organized crime side of this, Paul the sixth was very
Speaker 4: close to Michelle Sindona, who was an organized crime figure
Speaker 4: and trafficker. And Michelle Sendona was the finance kingpin, and
Speaker 4: he was also running operations at the Vatican Bank. Michelle
Speaker 4: Sendona was also directly connected to David Rockefeller, and so
Speaker 4: the secrets of the Vatican Bank then, as you can see,
Speaker 4: are like perfect. The secrecy of it is perfect. For
Speaker 4: in one case, for example, the United States sent ten
Speaker 4: million dollars to Michelle Sendona to fund Operation Gladio in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy. According to Paul Williams, the guy running all
Speaker 4: of this was actually Kissinger. So Kissinger was the one
Speaker 4: that was meeting with Paul the six regularly meeting with
Speaker 4: President Nixon and meeting with and giving orders to Leccio Gelli,
Speaker 4: who had, through Epstein's style parties, compromised the cardinals for
Speaker 4: the most part, and the bishops of Italy, so Italy
Speaker 4: in terms, and politicians too, I forgot politicians. The cardinals
Speaker 4: and the bishops were invited to Bunga Bunga parties. Have
Speaker 4: you heard of this? This was the famous parties that
Speaker 4: Silvio Berlusconi had, who was himself a member of P two.
Speaker 4: All these people are members of the P two lodge too.
Speaker 4: By the way, all of this gets printed in the
Speaker 4: Italian and European press. Explodes the door on all of
Speaker 4: the Gladio stuff. And in nineteen eighty one this was
Speaker 4: published in European and Italian press. All nine hundred and
Speaker 4: sixty two members of the P two Lodge and those
Speaker 4: who have been attending the Bunga Bunga parties at the
Speaker 4: clandestine Lodge which yeah, Epstein stops dock. This is page
Speaker 4: one oh nine. Here's an example of the list. And
Speaker 4: by the way, the first person listed is Silville Burlescon. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so these are Roman Catholic diddy parties. But I would imagine,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure they used boys and girls at this.
Speaker 4: But do you remember this.
Speaker 5: Scone is savoring his court victory in the infamous of
Speaker 5: Bunga Bunga case and plunging ahead with politics, saying he's
Speaker 5: working for a better Italy even though he remains barred
Speaker 5: from public office. Tuesday, Italy's highest court confirmed Berlascone's acquittal
Speaker 5: on charges he paid an underage Moroccan prostitute for sex
Speaker 5: and then used his influence to cover it up. The
Speaker 5: ruling closed an embarrassing chapter for the media mobile, exposing
Speaker 5: the raunchy parties that has Belan mansion, complete with show
Speaker 5: girl strip teases. In a statement, Berlascone cheered the decision
Speaker 5: but express bitterness.
Speaker 4: So this was a huge deal, you know, like ten
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago, because it came out that he was
Speaker 4: engaged in these Bunga bunga parties. But this is nothing new.
Speaker 4: The Bunga Bunga parties are happening in nineteen eighty one,
Speaker 4: so like it goes back to the seventies. Gladio and
Speaker 4: all the members of the P two lodge. By the way,
Speaker 4: this is all public, like, this isn't even this isn't theory.
Speaker 4: You can actually go look up the P two list.
Speaker 4: It's all declassified public stuff from late seventies, early eighties.
Speaker 4: So anyway, speaking of these characters, a lot of these
Speaker 4: characters the Vatican Bank, for example, would create shell companies
Speaker 4: the Vatican and then own shell companies which would engage
Speaker 4: in the shipping of arms and drugs and perhaps other
Speaker 4: black market things people perhaps, and thus they would be
Speaker 4: they've had a plausible deniability because well, it's not the
Speaker 4: Vatican doing it, it's a shell company for the Vatican,
Speaker 4: and that's all come out. Attican owns arms, shipping companies
Speaker 4: that were fronts and shells, and thus they had plausible
Speaker 4: deniability and they could say that there were one or
Speaker 4: two levels removed from people like Lecchio Gelli through Michel Sendona,
Speaker 4: who was really close to Paul the Six. By the way,
Speaker 4: I should have asked Sammy the Bull about this, because
Speaker 4: for example, here's a fascinating section that I didn't think
Speaker 4: to ask Sammy the Bull, and we were talking about
Speaker 4: all this stuff. In addition to the shell corporations, Roberto
Speaker 4: Calviy remained Michel Sindona's successor as the principal banker for
Speaker 4: the heroin trade. Insight into Roberto Calviy's position as the
Speaker 4: mob's concilierre was provided in nineteen ninety six when Francesco Manoya,
Speaker 4: the leading pentito who collaborated with the informant for the
Speaker 4: FEDS from the Sicilian mafia testified in the Andreotti trial.
Speaker 4: He told the court that Roberto Calvi became the key
Speaker 4: figure laundering heroin money for the American mafia. After the
Speaker 4: arrest warrant for Michelsondona have been issued in Italy in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy six, the heroin, according to Manoya, continued to
Speaker 4: be sent to the Gambinos of Cherry Hill, New Jersey.
Speaker 4: The Gambinos wul then deposit large sums of money of
Speaker 4: their earnings into the banks that were controlled by Roberto
Speaker 4: Calvi that were then cleansed money laundering cleansed for the
Speaker 4: Vatican Bank or what's called the Institute of Religious Affairs
Speaker 4: or Institute of Religious Works. Eventually, the money was then
Speaker 4: used by the American mafia to purchase hotels, lands, and
Speaker 4: financial companies in Florida and the island of Aruba. So
Speaker 4: that's where your Vatican tithe money is going, you idiots. Oh,
Speaker 4: this do dont corrupt anymore. Yeah, they just assassinated John
Speaker 4: Paul the first, right, I mean, this is why John
Speaker 4: Paul the First got assassinated. It was over this stuff.
Speaker 4: You understand, you read this book and it explains what
Speaker 4: was going on and why he was assassinated. Now, but
Speaker 4: wait a minute, John Paul the Second was a saint,
Speaker 4: He was a hero. You mean the guy who would
Speaker 4: hang out with and meet Savile and gave Savile a
Speaker 4: papal knighthood. You mean the guy that promoted Bishop Marcinkus,
Speaker 4: one of the key criminal figures in the Vatican bank scandals.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, John Paul the Great. Sure, I think to
Speaker 4: be the Great, or to be knighted or to be
Speaker 4: called Dame this or that or Sir this or that,
Speaker 4: you actually have to be exceptionally wicked. That's like the
Speaker 4: only way to actually be like given these high high
Speaker 4: titles and awards and promotions. Anyway, So there's a lot
Speaker 4: more this this book has. Basically every page is full
Speaker 4: of fascinating information. And to take that book by Paul
Speaker 4: Williams and then read Whitney Webb's book on the way
Speaker 4: that the jeff Stein mcaffree operation was conducted via Maxwell,
Speaker 4: just Laine, et cetera. And that entrapment operation. Oh, that's
Speaker 4: exactly what Lechio, Gelly and Kissinger's entrapment operation through the
Speaker 4: P two lodges was happening in the nineteen seventies. It's
Speaker 4: exact same, it's the same model. So are you noticing
Speaker 4: a pattern? This is how they run things. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: well wait a minute, what about so the lodge? Okay,
Speaker 4: this isn't a typical Freemason lodge. I'm totally against freemasonry.
Speaker 4: But somebody might say, well, wait a minute. Mussolini was
Speaker 4: opposed to masonry and he didn't like them, and neither
Speaker 4: did tiny mustache Man. So how could there be lodges
Speaker 4: that were pro Cia and all that. Well, that's what
Speaker 4: P two is. P two law were the leftovers of
Speaker 4: masonry that were fascists. So some of the lodges, apparently
Speaker 4: the P two they actually, this isn't schizo. I'm citing
Speaker 4: to you normal mainline historic texts. Why are you calling
Speaker 4: this stuff schizo? I'm literally giving you historian Catholic authors
Speaker 4: that are consultants for the FBI. What are you talking about? Schizo? So,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's literally a easily accessible Wikipedia article, And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's true because of the a Wikipedia article.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that it's a Wikipedia article because it's not
Speaker 4: even controversial. Idiot, Its charter was transformed by Leccio Gelli.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I just told you. Now, I think
Speaker 4: this will even tell you that because it's all public. Now,
Speaker 4: this lodge was secret until it was discovered through glad
Speaker 4: you and Michelson Dona's bank collapse. Oh look at all
Speaker 4: this stuff I'm telling you. It turns out it's publicly information.
Speaker 4: You just didn't know. See you, what you think is
Speaker 4: skitzo is just because you're illiterate and you don't read.
Speaker 4: You're the problem, not me. All right, So moving on
Speaker 4: this alliance that had been formed that we saw with
Speaker 4: the Rumman Catholic Church and Western intelligence, it actually kind
Speaker 4: of made sense and you could empathize with and see
Speaker 4: why the popes would be convinced of it. Right, your
Speaker 4: bank is running out of money. There's been corruption already
Speaker 4: in the Vatican Bank. The CIA reaches out, Hey, we
Speaker 4: are pro freedom, we're pro private property, we're pro God.
Speaker 4: We're going to help you fight this political information battle
Speaker 4: with the Communists that are about to be elected. We're
Speaker 4: going to give you money, tens of millions of dollars.
Speaker 4: You're going to then defeat the Communists and the Christian Democrats.
Speaker 4: Who are pro rumed Catholic will win the elections. But
Speaker 4: the problem is that now you are indebted to the
Speaker 4: people that have put all the money in your bank.
Speaker 4: Obviously the borrower is servant to the lender. So I
Speaker 4: mentioned this stuff on Twitter the other day and this
Speaker 4: know it all. Actually there were only two or three
Speaker 4: loans of them. It's like, dude, you want to haggle
Speaker 4: with me over this, like Minutia when scripture says very
Speaker 4: clearly the borrower is servant to the lender. So if
Speaker 4: the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the CIA, or they're
Speaker 4: bailing out collapsing Vatican banks. Yeah, there's many. There's actually
Speaker 4: several documentaries on gladi.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 4: None of this is contrable. This is all public stuff.
Speaker 4: This is not even theory. This is all public known stuff.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Anyway, let's just move on. So another book that we
Speaker 4: lectured through that was an academic text was Michael Graziano's
Speaker 4: recent thesis published as Aaron into the Wilderness Religion in
Speaker 4: the History of the CIA. And this whole book is
Speaker 4: well the relationship of the OSS and the CIA two
Speaker 4: American religion. Most of the stuff that you've heard me
Speaker 4: talk about is all backed up in this book. There
Speaker 4: were there were some things that were new to me
Speaker 4: though when we read this. For example, I didn't know
Speaker 4: that Tom Dooley. Tom Dooley was a famous Roman Catholic
Speaker 4: actor who was also recruited into doing a lot of
Speaker 4: propaganda and Cold War you know, anti cold anti Communist
Speaker 4: Cold War stuff. And one reason that they were able
Speaker 4: to do that because he was gay. So Tom Dooley,
Speaker 4: who was very close to Paul the six and a
Speaker 4: famous honorary PhD from Notre Dame. Shocker, I know, right,
Speaker 4: it's a shocker that a Roman Catholic would be gay.
Speaker 4: Tom Dooley was apparently recruited and used in this way
Speaker 4: because he was gay. I mean, this is the point
Speaker 4: I was making the other day, the reason that you
Speaker 4: can't have people who are highly intelligent. That can't be
Speaker 4: the only criteria for leadership, because you can have highly
Speaker 4: intelligent people who are captive to certain vices. Now we're
Speaker 4: all captive to vices in some way, but certain vices
Speaker 4: make it not possible for you to be in a
Speaker 4: leadership role. It will compromise you. And not only are
Speaker 4: you compromised, well, you're also subject to in a slave
Speaker 4: to your vices in this way. So the reason that
Speaker 4: even in the Cold War this was everywhere understood was
Speaker 4: that the Soviets would just immediately comp and get dirt
Speaker 4: on anybody who was secretly gay during the Cold War.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I'm not going to rehearse all this book,
Speaker 4: but it is relevant to note that one thing that,
Speaker 4: even as a secular historian, Michael Graziano noted was that
Speaker 4: the entire project of ecumenism was an oss CIA Americanist project. Now, yes,
Speaker 4: ecumenism existed prior to that, and even prior to the
Speaker 4: os S and CIA picking up on it. It was
Speaker 4: a very powerful tool. It was funded by the Rockefeller
Speaker 4: family by many, many millions of dollars. We've covered that,
Speaker 4: that's in the rock Filler biography. But the one thing
Speaker 4: that we found interesting on page sixty eight sixty nine
Speaker 4: was that the term Judeo Christian is actually a Cold
Speaker 4: War psychological warfare tool. So people are, oh, where's the
Speaker 4: where Judeo christianhood? It's out of the Cold War. It's
Speaker 4: a term that the OSS and CIA used to try
Speaker 4: to capitalize on any force in the West that was
Speaker 4: pro God and pro family or anything like that to
Speaker 4: help fight the Cold War. So again that's where that
Speaker 4: term comes from. The idea was that a Judeo Christian
Speaker 4: society's pluralism would be a better society, and you could
Speaker 4: sell that over the USSR's anti liberal society. Did you
Speaker 4: know that the Soviets were anti liberal? I know that
Speaker 4: might be a shock to some dumb people, but Sovietism
Speaker 4: is anti liberal. They're opposed to classical liberalism. They're opposed
Speaker 4: to capitalism, which is a liberal, classical liberal economic theory.
Speaker 4: So the CIA reason, the USS reasons opposed them with
Speaker 4: religious pluralism and the idea of a Judeo Christian pluralist
Speaker 4: society that naturally led directly to ecumenism and what's called
Speaker 4: the doctrinal warfare program of the CIA. Now, this book
Speaker 4: has a whole section on CD Jackson, ed Lilly Henry
Speaker 4: LUs of Time Magazine, all of these other figures who
Speaker 4: were involved with the Eisenhower Psychological Strategy Board PSB. The
Speaker 4: Psychological Strategy Board of Eisenhower and Henry LUs was a
Speaker 4: skull bonesman, Skull and bones, the guy behind Time Life magazine,
Speaker 4: and they went in on this idea that together if
Speaker 4: we could come up with a common ethos of a
Speaker 4: supreme being and natural law. All of the religious world
Speaker 4: could be grouped together to fight the Cold War, Page
Speaker 4: seventy two, seventy three. Now this is a secular scholar
Speaker 4: who can recognize all the things that I say. He
Speaker 4: doesn't have a religious few as far as I am.
Speaker 4: In fact, he comes off as kind of woke. How
Speaker 4: can a secular woke dude recognize this? But none of
Speaker 4: you Roman Catholics can recognize this, and you normy docs
Speaker 4: can't recognize this. This isn't even a long book. You
Speaker 4: could read this book in two days. It's one hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty pages and a main line academic text will
Speaker 4: tell you everything that I say right here, pages seventy two,
Speaker 4: seventy three. Henry Leose then decided it would be useful
Speaker 4: to recruit people like Billy Graham for the anti Soviet
Speaker 4: Cold War message and the term they came up. We
Speaker 4: can't make this. This is this is so gay spiritual democracy.
Speaker 4: This is their this is their psychological warfare slogan term.
Speaker 4: If we all believed in spiritual democracy and understood it,
Speaker 4: and if we just listened to Billy Graham's luxuals, and
Speaker 4: if we held Miles Billiguy, that's all cold wars. Do
Speaker 4: you understand Billy Graham is a Cold warrior. Those giant
Speaker 4: tent revivals and stadium revivals are to fight the Cold War,
Speaker 4: you idiots. It's not about fiving years soul. Yes, Billy
Speaker 4: Graham was utilized. Now, that doesn't mean that Billy Graham
Speaker 4: was sent to the farm and was given training and
Speaker 4: was taught how to seduce women and to kill people.
Speaker 4: That's the no. Billy Graham is brought into the boardrooms
Speaker 4: with people like Henry Luis and they say, hey, we're
Speaker 4: gonna put you on Time magazine to be our the
Speaker 4: voice of America and God's voice to the nations. But
Speaker 4: it's for the Cold War. Admittedly, it's called the doctrinal
Speaker 4: warfare program. Guess what they didn't just look for evangelical
Speaker 4: goobers to be the face of this. They also look
Speaker 4: for Muslim preachers to be the face of the Cold War.
Speaker 4: Why am I saying this? You cannot understand all of
Speaker 4: this and all the stuff that happened and Vatican two
Speaker 4: without the Cold War. That's the setting, the ethos, the milieu,
Speaker 4: and in fact he this dude goes on to say,
Speaker 4: they also looked for Muslim preachers to be this kind
Speaker 4: of a pro Western thing. There was, for example, an
Speaker 4: e mom of Jerusalem that they thought aid in the
Speaker 4: Cold War. Now remember that's where we give musjah Haden.
Speaker 4: The CIA pays for and trains the muja Hadeen to
Speaker 4: fight the Soviets. In fact, the Doctrinal Warfare Program stressed
Speaker 4: that amongst the CIA alliance of the Acumenist religious project,
Speaker 4: they would intentionally quote avoid dogmas and stress lowest common
Speaker 4: denominator spiritual democracy is the gayest term of reheard to
Speaker 4: promote a global acumenism. So, even though Cumanism is prior
Speaker 4: to the Cold War, the os S and CIA explicitly
Speaker 4: and self consciously, especially Bill Donovan himself, who was a
Speaker 4: massive ecumenist, you utilize the idea of a global ecumenous
Speaker 4: project to defeat the Soviets. In fact, the CIA during
Speaker 4: this period would even make ties with Buddhism. Thus Tibetan
Speaker 4: Buddhism and the Tibetan Project were specific CIA projects. We
Speaker 4: just cover that two streams ago. That is also declassified.
Speaker 4: Why think about it? Who does who hates the Dalai
Speaker 4: Lama China. Why because of the CIA Tibet Program. The
Speaker 4: CIA Tibet Program was an anti Chinese government covered operation
Speaker 4: spanning twenty years. It consisted of political action, propaganda, military
Speaker 4: intelligence operations, all this kind of stuff facilitated by arrangements
Speaker 4: between the Dalai Lama and the CIA. Are you beginning
Speaker 4: to see how raw on an expanse of this ideological
Speaker 4: war is. And these people don't care about your theological minutia,
Speaker 4: Okay to all you theology nerds. They don't care about
Speaker 4: Homo Usius, they don't care about the essence inner distinction,
Speaker 4: don't care about Philly Oakway. The concern is a giant
Speaker 4: ecumenist ideological alliance to win the Cold War. And why
Speaker 4: are we winning the Cold War? Is it because everybody
Speaker 4: in the West are the good guys? Now, a lot
Speaker 4: of people in the CIA and in the intelligence in
Speaker 4: the West are good guys. My uncle was a famous
Speaker 4: Air Force intelligence guy in the Cold War. He flew
Speaker 4: missions out of Turkey against the Soviets, So I am
Speaker 4: not pro Soviet. My point is that when you make
Speaker 4: this alliance, you now have a new master. And if
Speaker 4: the CIA and the Rockefellers and all these people have
Speaker 4: bailed out your bank. They're not gonna let you just
Speaker 4: do whatever you want. You answer to them now. And
Speaker 4: so if John Paul the Second needs to shoot a
Speaker 4: photo op for the Cold War and all the tradcat
Speaker 4: era CIA people under Reagan, if they tell him he's
Speaker 4: gonna do it, he's got to do it. Anyway. This
Speaker 4: Michael Graziano book is great, by the way. It's it's
Speaker 4: really good. By the way. The last chapter is about
Speaker 4: Zavigna Razinski and that whole plan of supporting the al
Speaker 4: Qaeda to fight the Soviets. Oh, I forgot another character
Speaker 4: that's brought in by the CIA, Joseph Campbell and his
Speaker 4: archetypes that could be utilized to promote ecumenism. One five. Now,
Speaker 4: where where did we just see today? Joseph Campbell and
Speaker 4: acumenism and archetypes. Oh, it's changing images of man, the
Speaker 4: very thing I talked about the very beginning. And although
Speaker 4: I thought this book was going to focus on I
Speaker 4: don't know, Brazinski type stuff, the first forty plus pages
Speaker 4: is about spirituality, archetypes, perennialism, and ecumenism. Interesting. So I
Speaker 4: have a whole lecture through the Graciana book. You can
Speaker 4: go find that on my channel. Also side note, the
Speaker 4: Paul Williams book is great, but if you're looking for
Speaker 4: a more academic text, because Paul Williams wrote his book
Speaker 4: to be I think readable by a large audience. And
Speaker 4: even though it is more readable than this book, it
Speaker 4: is dense. I mean I took notes on every single page.
Speaker 4: Every page has a sticky note, so it will take
Speaker 4: a long time. It is a lot of information to process.
Speaker 4: But it's written even still for a mass readership. This
Speaker 4: book has written a little more for an academic audience,
Speaker 4: and it is apparently a PhD thesis, And it's Daniel
Speaker 4: Ganzer's book, NATO's Secret Armies, Operation Gladio and Terror in
Speaker 4: Western Europe. And there's a lot of the information that's
Speaker 4: in Williams book will also be in this book. For example,
Speaker 4: sections on William Coleby, sections on Opus Day, sections on Kissinger,
Speaker 4: sections on the Mafia, Lucky Luciano, all that stuff. Even
Speaker 4: a section that sounds I mean, I don't know that
Speaker 4: my uncle did this, but the section the chapter on
Speaker 4: Turkey actually makes sense with the timeline of when my
Speaker 4: uncle would have been doing these missions out of Turkey
Speaker 4: against the Soviets, So I think that it might be.
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example, he says, at the end
Speaker 4: of the Second World War, the main probably of the
Speaker 4: United States in regard to Turkey was to integrate the
Speaker 4: country solidly within the Western anti Communist defense. Due to
Speaker 4: its geographic location, Turkey was highly valuable as a strategic territory,
Speaker 4: but during and after the Cold War it functioned as
Speaker 4: a important balcony for the US and NATO operations in
Speaker 4: the oil countries of the Middle East and the Caucasus region,
Speaker 4: most prominently during the Second Gulf War into the nineteen nineties. Furthermore,
Speaker 4: the country represented the most eastern land post of NATO
Speaker 4: during the Cold War. Nobody else, not even Norway, was
Speaker 4: closer to Moscow, and hence Turkey was equipped with high
Speaker 4: tech gear and was used as a listening post. And
Speaker 4: that's exactly what my uncle was doing for Air Force
Speaker 4: intelligence during the Cold War. Now it doesn't mention my uncle,
Speaker 4: I'm deciding that seems like that's probably what was going on.
Speaker 4: It's the first time I've seen in a book mentioned
Speaker 4: the things that they told Matt. My uncle died in
Speaker 4: the nineties, so this was like way way way later
Speaker 4: that I was told this stuff, but fascinating stuff. I
Speaker 4: think this chapter is really fast. But this chapter talks
Speaker 4: about the CIA is setting up the MIT, which is
Speaker 4: Turkish Secret Service, and of course they did this to
Speaker 4: try to, you know, have Turkey on our side during
Speaker 4: the Cold War. As it said, CIA sent twenty people
Speaker 4: to set up the Turkish MIT and this was pretty
Speaker 4: much structured by the nineteen fifties. In fact, twenty thousand
Speaker 4: Turks were brought to America and trained from nineteen fifty
Speaker 4: to nineteen seventy nine for the CIA to use in
Speaker 4: Turkey and also the School of the Americas. This is
Speaker 4: fascinating too. Training for the counter guerrilla's secret Army was
Speaker 4: carried out across Turkey and numerous places, but also abroad.
Speaker 4: P military training centers included schools at Ankara, Bulu, Kyseri,
Speaker 4: Buka and Uzmir after nineteen seventy four, also Cyprus in
Speaker 4: the Mountain Commando School of Bulu. US special forces including
Speaker 4: Green Beret. We're preparing the war in Vietnam. We're preparing
Speaker 4: for the war in Vietnam. We're trained together with the
Speaker 4: counter guerrillas, selected categorrill officers were instructed in the USA
Speaker 4: at the School of Americas, the notorious training center for
Speaker 4: the Special Forces Terrace in nineteen forty six, and Panama
Speaker 4: had moved in nineteen eighty four to the Fort Benning
Speaker 4: US Army Post with eighty five miles southeast of Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 4: Schools have been set up to train stay behind officers
Speaker 4: for sixty thousand Latin American soldiers. That's just crazy, like
Speaker 4: these these drills and these training cells, like they train
Speaker 4: a lot of people and then send about to do
Speaker 4: this stuff. It's more than we know. It's crazy. But
Speaker 4: the reason I brought that up was that the School
Speaker 4: of America's also played a role in training is she
Speaker 4: Hod cells or al Qaeda cells. Allegedly, the School of
Speaker 4: America's terror training center in the US was also identical
Speaker 4: to the al Qaeda centers of Asama bin Lad in Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: As far as methods that were taught were concerned, they
Speaker 4: learned how to it's all the same stuff, right, So
Speaker 4: in other words, al Qaeda's training is basically identical to
Speaker 4: Gladio training at the point, and that's very suggestive that
Speaker 4: it's the same trainers right anyway, So that's another text
Speaker 4: on this that's more, as we said, academic. It's more
Speaker 4: like if you read like military histories, which can be
Speaker 4: kind of dry and kind of boring at times. Paul
Speaker 4: Williams's book is a lot more exciting. But the game
Speaker 4: the book is very relevant key text though overall. Don't
Speaker 4: want to stress. I know it's a difficult book, and
Speaker 4: we've not lectured through the whole thing. We've lectured through
Speaker 4: half of it. But it is an absolutely necessary book.
Speaker 4: It's probably one of the most important geopolitical texts that
Speaker 4: I've read that I recommend. It's not for everybody. Most
Speaker 4: of you are not going to get it, not going
Speaker 4: to read it. I've not read it. I've not met
Speaker 4: anyone that has read the book. I'm the only person
Speaker 4: I know other than David Wimhoff who wrote it it's
Speaker 4: actually read it. I'm not saying nobody's said I've never
Speaker 4: met a person who's read it because I bring it
Speaker 4: up and nobody knows what I'm talking about, even though
Speaker 4: I have recommended and promoted it for seven years at least,
Speaker 4: and that is I think it has been reprinted by
Speaker 4: the way John Courtney Murray Time Life and the American
Speaker 4: proposition how to see doctoral warfare program changed the Catholic Church. Now,
Speaker 4: this book is not saying that the Cio loone did
Speaker 4: everything and changed everything at Vatican two, because it's not
Speaker 4: just the CIA. In fact, there were many people and
Speaker 4: many interests, including Jewish interests, who had a say at
Speaker 4: Vatican two. I don't know if I'll be able to
Speaker 4: find this, but way back in my Triad days, there
Speaker 4: used to be reference made to Look magazine, which was
Speaker 4: a Jewish magazine. And yeah, here it is. You can
Speaker 4: find the entire article. I've read the article from the
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty six Look magazine how Jews changed Catholic thinking,
Speaker 4: And the article is about Jewish lobby and influence that
Speaker 4: Vatican too, particularly no Stratate, but not just no Strott.
Speaker 4: Also the eventual removal of the Good Friday prayers against
Speaker 4: Jews in the Latin Mass, which the Vatican has removed. Now,
Speaker 4: where's when tists or any of these people on this topic.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they don't ever talk about this, do they.
Speaker 4: I will say it though Tim Gordon did have a
Speaker 4: debate on this. I think Tim Gordon had a debate
Speaker 4: with a classical theist. I think they had a debate
Speaker 4: on the removal of this perfidious Jews statement. Now you
Speaker 4: can go look it up, but you can see that
Speaker 4: what I'm talking talking about Israel. Now here's your favorite
Speaker 4: Skittles jesuit. He wrote a whole article on it. Now again,
Speaker 4: how come to the tradcats and the romanol Why aren't
Speaker 4: why aren't the pop apologists Catholic people talking about this?
Speaker 4: The Latin Mass Good Friday traditional prayers prayed against the
Speaker 4: Jews and said it said something like, perfidious Jews. It's
Speaker 4: been years since I've seen this or I thought about this.
Speaker 4: Uh it perfidious, that's it. In nineteen fifty nine, John
Speaker 4: the twenty third had removed the perfidious Jews postatic in
Speaker 4: two it was all redrafted, and I guess they got
Speaker 4: rid of heretics and schismatics too. So and why did
Speaker 4: they do that? Well in part because of what we
Speaker 4: just said with the Look magazine. Also, but it's not
Speaker 4: just that, it's it's also the documents like Nostrotte. So
Speaker 4: it's not just the Jews, it's also the CIA. It's
Speaker 4: also the Rockefellers. There's a lot of interests that wanted
Speaker 4: to move and turn the Vatican and its theology and
Speaker 4: its giant base for Cold war purposes and long term
Speaker 4: other purposes. In fact, there's an entire chapter in wim
Speaker 4: Hoff's book about John Courtney Murray in his close relationship
Speaker 4: with the Rockefellers