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<v Speaker 1>It's night side when Dan Ray on WBS cast Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Nicole. Yes, I am back, and I first

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<v Speaker 2>of all want to just explain what went on yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Morgan White who pinched hit for

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<v Speaker 2>me yesterday. Morgan is always there to back me up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really appreciate what he did yesterday. I got

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<v Speaker 2>hit with something like Monday into Tuesday, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite sure what it was. I tested myself for COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>came back negative. Actually dealt with my doctor and I

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<v Speaker 2>explained that lots of felt like fluids and my lungs,

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<v Speaker 2>did a chest X ray, wasn't sure, wasn't sure. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've kind of settled on it was a bad

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<v Speaker 2>case of bronchitis. You'll hear it in my voice. I

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<v Speaker 2>apologized to everyone. I tried to do a nightside post

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<v Speaker 2>game on Tuesday night Wednesday morning, and I had taken

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<v Speaker 2>a niquill medication, just over the counter medication, and I

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<v Speaker 2>literally was falling asleep as I was doing them. I

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<v Speaker 2>just realized that I was exhausted. I slept sixteen hours

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and I'm still not one hundred percent. Hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>won't hear me cough as much as I've been coughing.

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<v Speaker 2>But again it's a cautionary tale for all of us,

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<v Speaker 2>me included, to take better care of ourselves. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this was the first sick day I've had in several years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think of the last time I actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>sick day. So I've been blessed with good health, blessed

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<v Speaker 2>to have Morgan as someone who they get on moment's notice,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just wanted to say thanks to him, and

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to all of you, And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night, I was struggling and at some point I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>well try this night quill stuff. I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 2>niquill guy, to be really honest with you, it hit

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<v Speaker 2>me like a ton of breaks about quarter midnight. So

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<v Speaker 2>apologies to all, apologies around, and again great appreciation of Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will be talking later on tonight with the

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<v Speaker 2>WBC Car guys. From ten to midnight, Larry and Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Reubenstein will join us answering all of your automotive questions.

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<v Speaker 2>At nine o'clock to night, we'll talk with Joey Noon,

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<v Speaker 2>also known as Joey Voices. Had him on the show before.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a great entertainer, and I think we'll have some

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<v Speaker 2>fun with him. But the first hour tonight, I'm delighted

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome two people who I know very well, the

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor of Everett, Carlo Demiria de Maria, and his attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Robins. And some of you may have read in

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<v Speaker 2>the newspaper that Mayor d Maria won a settlement in

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<v Speaker 2>a really vicious set of circumstances. He won one point

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<v Speaker 2>one million dollars in a settlement against a local newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>in Everett, the Everett Leader Herald newspaper, which not only

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to pay the one point one million dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>a settlement, but they also agreed to cease publication after

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty nine years as part of the

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<v Speaker 2>deal with us. There is also Jeff Robbins, As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor de Maria's attorney on this, let me start with you,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff very quickly, that I want to have the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>tell the story. This is an extraordinary outcome. For those

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<v Speaker 2>in the audience who are not familiar with the case

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<v Speaker 2>law in this area, there's a case out of New

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<v Speaker 2>York in the nineteen sixties called New York Times versus suttlement,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes it very difficult for a public figure, of

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<v Speaker 2>which the mayor is a public figure, to win anything

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<v Speaker 2>in a case like this. Can you explain that in

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<v Speaker 2>terms that my audience will understand. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a bad decision in nineteen sixty I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty two. Although it protected people like me in

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<v Speaker 2>the media, I think it ovally protects us well. Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, thanks for having me, having both of

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<v Speaker 3>us on, and it's great to have you back. You

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<v Speaker 3>are the cal Ripken, the Luke Garrick of broadcast journalism.

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<v Speaker 2>So I like to think of yourself as the Wall.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think of myself as the Wally Pip.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always gonna so.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Whenever you're not on on a weeknight, a tremor goes

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<v Speaker 3>through the broadcast journalism community. So welcome back. It is

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<v Speaker 3>an unusual case. You're right. There was a Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 3>case called New York Times versus Sullivan, actually out of Alabama.

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<v Speaker 3>It arose in Alabama, and it's a case which ended

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<v Speaker 3>up holding. Though you're right that it was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a twisted and tortured case in certain respects that in

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<v Speaker 3>order for a public figure to win a defamation case,

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<v Speaker 3>that public figure had to show not only the usual

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<v Speaker 3>elements of a defamation claim that there was a falsehood

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<v Speaker 3>and that it defamed somebody and did that person damage,

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<v Speaker 3>but that it was uttered with what's called actual malice,

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<v Speaker 3>which is, in brief, either the person publishing it knows

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<v Speaker 3>that what's being published as false or publishes in reckless

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<v Speaker 3>disregard of whether or not it's true or false, And

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<v Speaker 3>so is commonly said, the public figures have a difficult

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<v Speaker 3>time winning defamation cases because of that elevated standard.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way the.

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<v Speaker 5>Case the case set up, this is a sheriff from

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<v Speaker 5>Alabama who is not the nicest guy in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>and he's suing the New York Times, and the New

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<v Speaker 5>York Times was able to win that case against someone who.

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<v Speaker 2>Was not a nice person from what I have read

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<v Speaker 2>about Sheriff Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's you're right. So much as aught about that case,

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<v Speaker 3>it does arise, and we'll get back to the mayor's situation.

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<v Speaker 3>The case arose from an advertisement to paid advertisement published

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<v Speaker 3>in the New York Times, which had all sorts of

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<v Speaker 3>falsehoods in it, and the Times did nothing to fact

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<v Speaker 3>check the advertisement, even though they're being paid money to

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<v Speaker 3>publish it. And so, as you say, the case held

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<v Speaker 3>that a plaintiff such as the person suing, had to

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<v Speaker 3>show by clear and convincing evidence, if that person were

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<v Speaker 3>a public figure, that what was published was not only

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<v Speaker 3>false intofamatory, but was published essentially knowingly. And so it's

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<v Speaker 3>a high standard, and therefore it's uncommon for plaintiffs who

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<v Speaker 3>are public figures to win these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>So the plaintiff who you represented, Mayor Dean Maria, went

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<v Speaker 2>through years, years of unfair allegations. It became almost a

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<v Speaker 2>uh a personal war against him. Mayor Gean Maria, tell

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<v Speaker 2>us what it was like. You're the mayor. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>elected and re elected in in effort for many years.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a couple of elections that there was

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<v Speaker 2>an effort apparently by these uh the owner of this

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<v Speaker 2>newspaper and it's publisher and editor uh to take you

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<v Speaker 2>out whatever, whatever whatever the cost, right right, Uh, Hi

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<v Speaker 2>dam and Jeff, how I how you guys doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Than? Uh, thank you again for having us on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like yourself, I'm a little onto the weather myself with

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<v Speaker 4>that same type of uh food conditions. So if I

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<v Speaker 4>found a little off myself. It's uh, I think I'm

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<v Speaker 4>think I think something's going around, uh Dan, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>uh yeah, you know, for about so prior. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>basically they bought the newspaper and I believe was twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen. For four years, they just you know, week

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<v Speaker 4>after week they began with satire and then they ended

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<v Speaker 4>with you know, we have the facts, this is all true.

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<v Speaker 4>This is uh you know, we have witnesses, we have sources,

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<v Speaker 4>and they just I mean from you name it, they

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<v Speaker 4>said it. It was. It was awful. I mean they

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<v Speaker 4>they you know, we get to after we began the

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<v Speaker 4>lawsuit we set up. You know, it takes me away

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<v Speaker 4>from important things, but I just want to kill this

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<v Speaker 4>guy or take him out. You know. It was it

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<v Speaker 4>was truly awful. I mean, Jeff can definitely do a

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<v Speaker 4>better job. But you know what I went through, My

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<v Speaker 4>family went through, my children went through you know some

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<v Speaker 4>of the some of some of this stuff. Actually josh

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<v Speaker 4>Resnik was in working with Andrew Esties from the Boston

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<v Speaker 4>Globe and she was using him as her sources for

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<v Speaker 4>some of her stories. You know, it was, it was,

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<v Speaker 4>it was, It was terrible. Just when I went through,

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<v Speaker 4>my family went through.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I think one of the stories that

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<v Speaker 2>I heard was that at one point your dad came

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<v Speaker 2>to you and he made a comment, which had to

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<v Speaker 2>be a frightening comment that if any of this was true,

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<v Speaker 2>well he said something like, then you're not my son,

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. I mean, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Devastating, Yeah, it was. It was devastating. You know. My

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<v Speaker 4>dad was, you know, former carabinarian Italy, came to America

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<v Speaker 4>in the late sixties to follow his sweetheart to America.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he had a great life in Italy, but

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<v Speaker 4>came to America. My mother came to America first. Uh

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<v Speaker 4>so he you know, I mean his English isn't the greatest,

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<v Speaker 4>but he did read. You know, back when we were

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<v Speaker 4>growing up, Lead the Herald was you know, run by

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<v Speaker 4>the Canine family, who did a great job running the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it was a legitimate newspaper. You know, everybody

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<v Speaker 4>relied on the newspapers, one of the only papers in

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<v Speaker 4>the city. And as you know, it was one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>year of paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Year old paper, one hundred thirty nine year old paper.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, yeah, it was. It was actually a really I

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<v Speaker 4>mean it was it's unfortunate that this family purchased his

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<v Speaker 4>paper for the mere reason just destroy my reputation. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what they did. They bought this paper. They actually,

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<v Speaker 4>to the tune of about one hundred and fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 4>tred thousand a year used uh subplanted, I guess, so

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<v Speaker 4>used outside fund to keep it operational, just to uh

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<v Speaker 4>ruin my reputation. But so my dad, you know, he,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, it came came to America, came to

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<v Speaker 4>Edward in nineteen sixty nine or sixty seven and read

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<v Speaker 4>this paper weekly. You know, that's just his This is

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<v Speaker 4>what he That's pretty much the only paper he read.

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<v Speaker 4>So he, you know, thought it was you know, and everybody,

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<v Speaker 4>even all the old timers and the say, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people turned against me thinking was being written in

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<v Speaker 4>this paper was true because everyone thinks, if it's just

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<v Speaker 4>a paper, it has to be true, right. The press

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't lie the press, The press just reports. Well, we

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<v Speaker 4>know that's not the case. So you know, one day,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, after you know, as a

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<v Speaker 4>continuously writing these articles and you know, and it stops stopping.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, my dad says to me, you know, this

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<v Speaker 4>is this is true? You know, you're not my son,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and I said that, you know, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 4>is not true. You know, this is all false, It's

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<v Speaker 4>all made up. And well, how can they keep writing

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff? How come no one's you know, he's thinking

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<v Speaker 4>the government will come in and step in and shut

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<v Speaker 4>it down. Realize that I have to I have to,

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<v Speaker 4>I have to take a suit, you know, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>when you know in Matthew, it was October of twenty one.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I brought Jeff Robins on Saul E Ring,

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<v Speaker 4>who did a remarkable job. I mean, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of sad in the way that we didn't go

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<v Speaker 4>to trial. I was really anticipating watching Jeff's and Joe

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<v Speaker 4>and Page do their thing. I mean, you might other

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<v Speaker 4>information we had. Uh it was just incredible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's just just uh, it would have

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<v Speaker 4>been it would have been great to see them uh

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<v Speaker 4>put this on.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, you know, the settlement speaks, speaks volumes. Mayor

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<v Speaker 2>let me take a pause here because we've got to

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<v Speaker 2>take up a commercial commercial break. We can back, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to get into how you were able to

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Carlo d Maria UH and his attorney Jeff Robbins

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<v Speaker 2>is with now a very significant firm in town Saul Ewing,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jeff is the first Amendment lawyer. You know him

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<v Speaker 2>from this program from many other issues. He and I

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<v Speaker 2>this is a different issue. With Jeff Robbins and Mayor

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Everett Mayor Carlo de Maria uh also

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<v Speaker 2>with his attorney Jeff Robbins, they have just settled a

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<v Speaker 2>defamation suit against the Everett Leader Herald newspaper for one

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<v Speaker 2>point one million dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeff, Yes, that's fine, We're good now. Jeff, tell me,

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<v Speaker 5>how were you able to basically, through depositions, get all

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<v Speaker 5>of the information that you need to bring this defendant

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<v Speaker 5>in affected their knees and to a point where they're

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<v Speaker 5>willing to pay one point one million dollars and shut

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<v Speaker 5>down a thirty nine year old.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, you know, I always think about this famous line,

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<v Speaker 3>this supposed the story about the kid that asked John

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<v Speaker 3>Kennedy how he became a war hero, and supposedly he replied,

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<v Speaker 3>it was easy. They sank my boat. Well you know this, this,

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<v Speaker 3>this wasn't easy because, as you know, Dan is a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 3>This process is very arduous, full of fights over who

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<v Speaker 3>has to turn over what material, endless battles with a

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<v Speaker 3>to turn over documents, emails, texts, and other records that

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want to turn over. It's a very expensive process.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very time consuming process. It's a very dispiriting process.

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<v Speaker 3>It's built, as you know, and now, as the Mayor

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<v Speaker 3>also knows, built into our legal system, for better or

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<v Speaker 3>for worse. It requires a lot of effort. In those

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<v Speaker 3>who can't find somebody to do it'll never have the

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<v Speaker 3>chance to vindicate their rights. A long way of saying

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<v Speaker 3>that this process required the Leader Herald and its owner

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<v Speaker 3>and its editor publisher to turn over literally hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of pages of emails and texts. And the hard

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<v Speaker 3>work was done by colleagues of mine, Joe lipshitson Page Strader,

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<v Speaker 3>who spent a lot of time we all did going

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<v Speaker 3>through these things and found documents that were simply amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>They were This is all a matter of public records,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm not saying anything which isn't emails. As the

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<v Speaker 3>mayor said that said, you know, we're going to carry

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<v Speaker 3>this guy. We're going to crush this guy. We're devastating

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<v Speaker 3>this guy. We're administering a holocaust to this guy. He

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<v Speaker 3>can never survive this. We're going to issue an atomic attack.

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<v Speaker 3>And there were literally hundreds of emails and texts like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, how are you, yeah, how are you able

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that? They also knew that they just weren't

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<v Speaker 2>simply mistaken that they knew that what they would do.

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<v Speaker 2>They must have had some admissions in there that they're

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<v Speaker 2>making this stuff up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're right. The deposition again all matter public record.

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<v Speaker 3>The deposition of each of these in the two individuals

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<v Speaker 3>lasted for many days, and over the course of the deposition,

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<v Speaker 3>in particular of mister Resnik, the editor and publisher, he

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<v Speaker 3>came to admit that he had no basis for making

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<v Speaker 3>the allegations that he made, that he could identify any

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<v Speaker 3>basis that he had fabricated them. And moreover, with respect

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<v Speaker 3>to one series of particularly damning stories, he ended up admitting,

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<v Speaker 3>having first testified falsely that he'd conducted interviews and he'd

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<v Speaker 3>kept notes, he ended up admitting that actually there were

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<v Speaker 3>no notes. There were no interviews, and there were no notes,

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<v Speaker 3>and that what he did was after the lawsuit was

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<v Speaker 3>filed against him, and after he'd been suboena to turnover notes,

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<v Speaker 3>he made copies. He went into a notebook and wrote

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<v Speaker 3>down stuff after the fact to make it look as

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<v Speaker 3>though there were notes when they weren't. He admitted that

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<v Speaker 3>he had concocted quotes which he had falsely attributed to

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who swears that he never said them, and on

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<v Speaker 3>and on it went. Every time he turned around, there

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<v Speaker 3>was more of that. There were emails that he'd sent

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<v Speaker 3>about collecting cash, thousands of dollars of cash from opponents

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<v Speaker 3>of the mayor for the purpose of funding what he

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<v Speaker 3>himself said was an effort to drive the mayor out

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<v Speaker 3>of office by sort of adding thousands and thousands of copies,

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<v Speaker 3>printing thousands and thousands of extra copies and delivering them

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<v Speaker 3>door to door for the purpose of What he said

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<v Speaker 3>clearly was, you know, driving the mayor out of office.

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<v Speaker 3>So the whole purpose of the paper, Yeah, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a journalistic hit job. What was the motive it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Was the motive to increase the circulation or was it

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<v Speaker 2>more of a personal motive that they said, we got

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<v Speaker 2>a guy here, let's let's you know, he's a target

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<v Speaker 2>rich environment, let's make him a target rich environment. Why, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds to me like how do you keep those

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you've asked several good questions there. The first one

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<v Speaker 3>is one which a lot of people ask. And again

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not speculating here, I'm simply telling you about what

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<v Speaker 3>some of the evidences that's on the public record in court.

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<v Speaker 3>There was testing moaning from the editor publisher that the

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<v Speaker 3>family that owned the paper, mister Philpin, who had an

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<v Speaker 3>insurance business, that had had prior contracts with the City

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<v Speaker 3>of Boston which the mayor didn't continue, who had rooming

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<v Speaker 3>houses and other real estate projects with the city of Everort.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry did I say anything else? City ever and he

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<v Speaker 3>not sufficiently favorable to the business interests of the family.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a text in which that that is what this

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<v Speaker 3>wanted the mayor defeated, and that was the purpose of

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<v Speaker 3>the publication of the newspaper with what the evidence was.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god that Mayor de Maria was able to withstand this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there was one election that turned out

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<v Speaker 2>to be substantially closer than anyone would have expected. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that, and we'll continue to talk with Everett

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Carlo di Maria and his very competent attorney, his

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<v Speaker 2>defamation lawyer, Jeff Robbins of saul Ewing LLP. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good day for journalism because there is

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<v Speaker 2>within the journalistic community still people like this, people like

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<v Speaker 2>the Alex Joneses of the world, who will do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the guy that said that the massacre in Newtown,

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<v Speaker 2>Connecticut at that school was made up. There. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think that, Look, I'm the journalist, but a journalist for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, but this is well deserved. If you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to join the conversation, ask a question if you're

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<v Speaker 2>from Everett, Field free six one's seven, two five, four

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<v Speaker 2>We'll continue with our conversation learning a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>defamation law and then in the context of this case

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<v Speaker 2>against the backdrop of a very famous federal case New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times Sullivan, We'll be back on night Side right

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about an interesting case which Everett Mayor Carlo

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<v Speaker 2>di Maria was defamed by a local newspaper and by

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<v Speaker 2>the editor and publisher of that newspaper over a long

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<v Speaker 2>period of time. And uh and it was some very brutal,

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<v Speaker 2>brutal comments that were made and Mayor Dean Maria, this

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<v Speaker 2>had to take a toll on you. And on your family.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one race I forget what, I forget what

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<v Speaker 2>year it was, which you almost lost in large part

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<v Speaker 2>because of the lives that this newspaper was spreading.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, yeah. They they actually at one time they

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<v Speaker 4>put on a ten week campaign from about a month

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<v Speaker 4>prior to the primary and after the primary up to

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<v Speaker 4>the election. It was week after week, every Wednesday, delivered

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<v Speaker 4>to every home in the city, and they just, uh

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<v Speaker 4>the lies were you know, extortion, uh, kickbacks, demily, a

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<v Speaker 4>crime family, uh, quid pro quo, uh, settling, all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of harassment, lawsuits with females, put a knife to a girl. Stroke.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was. It was awful. I mean it

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<v Speaker 4>was like week after week after week lies and uh

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<v Speaker 4>you know, so you know, it was it was just

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<v Speaker 4>it was just a U yeah, it was. It was awful.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it was completely awful. Yeah. Someone just actually

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<v Speaker 4>interrupted me and I was talking here.

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<v Speaker 2>It none of this had any you know, look, if

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<v Speaker 2>if you had had a let's say something like a

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<v Speaker 2>car accident, okay, and let's assume that there was some

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<v Speaker 2>little in situation where you yelled at the other guy, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why'd you do? And if they had something to work

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<v Speaker 2>on that was genuine, but just make stuff up out

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<v Speaker 2>of whole cloth and then try to basically drive you

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right. I mean you were saying it was close. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you think about it, Daan, if a hundred

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<v Speaker 4>people changed am I on that election, I would have

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<v Speaker 4>been out of office, disgraced. People would have believed this newspaper.

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<v Speaker 4>They would have continuously still writing all this awful, terrible stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't have the ability to have, you know, filed

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<v Speaker 4>this lawsuit against them. Yeah. I mean, you know we

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<v Speaker 4>were pulling prior to you know, they they really ramped

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<v Speaker 4>it up in twenty twenty one. I mean that last

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<v Speaker 4>year prior to my election, they rarely ramped it up.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the the lies were awful, so bad that

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<v Speaker 4>I mean I was in a bad place mentally, truly

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<v Speaker 4>was because you know, people were believing it. People were

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<v Speaker 4>sharing the articles with friends, you know, family members, people,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I would see my neighbors were asking me,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're questioning everything I was doing. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>it was terrible. I mean I talked about how my

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<v Speaker 4>father asked me that question, you know, I mean he

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<v Speaker 4>wrote it so that you know that you know it

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<v Speaker 4>was as a matter of fact, you know these there

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<v Speaker 4>was a matter of fact. We have sources, we have

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<v Speaker 4>people interviewing with us. You know, it was it was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>And I mean the media and Jeff can get it

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<v Speaker 5>in this as well. The media has tremendous powers in

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<v Speaker 5>this country, Okay, to influence elections. Different case, different story,

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<v Speaker 5>But obviously had the Alex Jones case, the nut job

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<v Speaker 5>he visited upon the families of those kids and parents

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<v Speaker 5>of the six school teachers and the twenties children who

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<v Speaker 5>to basically make him a bigger and bolder a political figure.

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<v Speaker 2>George Stephanopolis has been suited. Apparently ABC has agreed and

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<v Speaker 2>helped me out here, Jeff on this one. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that ABC, in a similar fashion, has agreed to a

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<v Speaker 2>Library because Stephanopolos is apparently saying something about Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>his producers cautioned him not to say that that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>had been convicted of rape when I mean, the power

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<v Speaker 2>of the media is incredible, but it cannot it cannot

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<v Speaker 2>be used in a way in which it can be

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<v Speaker 2>it can be used to destroy people's lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, you're absolutely right. The ABC settlement was fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars. And you can see the interview in which

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<v Speaker 3>George Stefanopolis, in the process of interviewing Congress Will and Mace,

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<v Speaker 3>says I think at least four times that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>was found libel for rape, which actually is not true.

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<v Speaker 3>The jury slip specifically said that they did not find

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<v Speaker 3>him liable for rape. And your point, though the larger one,

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<v Speaker 3>is a very good one. There is, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 3>this absolutely crucial need, crucial need for the First Amendment

431
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<v Speaker 3>to be robust and to protect a free press, especially

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<v Speaker 3>visa the government. But on the other hand, as you

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<v Speaker 3>also say, there is a potential for terrible abusive power,

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<v Speaker 3>just like there's a terrible potential for abuseive power in

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<v Speaker 3>every other entity enterprise in American life. There's that capacity

436
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<v Speaker 3>for massive abuse of power, given how much power the

437
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<v Speaker 3>press has, if people are cocky or or dishonest, or

438
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<v Speaker 3>are too interested in clicks and shares to be focused

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<v Speaker 3>on printing the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the social media, the arrival of social media,

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<v Speaker 2>and it inundates our lives these days. Jeff, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just curious if you think that has contributed to the

443
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<v Speaker 2>sort of wild west attitude that maybe this small newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>it ever had towards mayor de Marine.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and wild west is absolutely the perfect phrase for it.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what the media landscape is. More and more

447
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<v Speaker 3>and more, it's pretty much, you know, everybody is a

448
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<v Speaker 3>media entity, unto himself or herself. There's an enormous pressure

449
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<v Speaker 3>to get clicks and shares and attention. It's also part

450
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<v Speaker 3>of American culture, and it also drives every media enterprise large, small,

451
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:45.319
<v Speaker 3>medium sized to get out there and grab attention. And

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<v Speaker 3>if that means being reckless or clever or pandering to

453
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<v Speaker 3>a particular segment, well then that's what they do. There

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<v Speaker 3>are some people who feel as though that that's their

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<v Speaker 3>financial model, you know, So you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think it's there has to be a clear

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<v Speaker 5>demarcation between I will read op ed columns, you're writing

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<v Speaker 5>an op ed column. There are people going to disagree

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<v Speaker 5>with your op ed piece, your conclusion. I don't, but

460
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<v Speaker 5>but others will.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what the op ed page is all about.

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<v Speaker 5>But when you start putting out something as factual and

464
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<v Speaker 5>putting out in the concept this is a news I'm

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<v Speaker 5>reporting this as a newsperson as opposed to this is

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<v Speaker 5>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. That's that's where where the line becomes very, very shaky.

468
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<v Speaker 2>And that's where I think this guy Resnick went way

469
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<v Speaker 2>over that line. And obviously the newspaper's out of business.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's the what is the papers plan? Are they

471
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<v Speaker 2>going to come back in some other entity at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>Or does does Everett going to have another newspaper mayor

473
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<v Speaker 2>what's is there any idea what you know? Obviously, Everett

474
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<v Speaker 2>is a big city that is a lot smaller than Boston,

475
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<v Speaker 2>and you got the Globe in the Herald, But it's

476
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<v Speaker 2>also good to have a local newspaper for as well. Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>We have two other local newspapers that do it good,

478
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<v Speaker 4>decent enough job to report what's going on in the city.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we put what's currency, not create Uh you

481
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<v Speaker 4>know what's going on in the city, right. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's the problem with the press I think today is

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<v Speaker 4>that every time you listen to a different news station

484
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<v Speaker 4>and you read a different article, it's it's uh, it's

485
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 4>their opinions. You know, no one's reporting anymore. That's how

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<v Speaker 4>I see it. I mean, it's just between the social

487
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.960
<v Speaker 4>media and and you know that that's why you see

488
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<v Speaker 4>so many people that are depressed, children that are pressed families.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's just bad. I mean it's it's it's

490
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<v Speaker 4>a bad time and it's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>But the best example, I think right now, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff to come up with a better one, is this guy,

493
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<v Speaker 2>Alex Jones has a tremendous that's awful. A lot of

494
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.759
<v Speaker 2>people are can He doesn't say it's his opinion. He

495
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 2>basically blusters and said, no, this was set up, this

496
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<v Speaker 2>was this was a this was a false flag. Uh,

497
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<v Speaker 2>these children weren't, weren't massacred. This He basically made it

498
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<v Speaker 2>sound like a Hollywood movie. And he wasn't saying it's

499
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<v Speaker 2>his opinion. He's saying it's fact. And and he was

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<v Speaker 2>sued Jeff, thankfully, and I think that eventually his whole

501
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>media empire will collapse and and he and he deserves it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this guy made no this just as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who takes journalism kind of seriously. I look at this

504
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>guy and I think, what an impostor he's He pretends

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<v Speaker 2>he's a journalist, but he's anything but a journalist.

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously there's a lot of people like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, no one worse than him though, in terms

508
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<v Speaker 2>of in terms of ye in size and and and

509
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 2>the damage that he that he did. Let's take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break, gentlemen. I want to one more with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and again, if folks want to call in, I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from you. Six thirty Jeff. As you know,

513
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<v Speaker 2>whenever we talk legal issuers, a lot of people are

514
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<v Speaker 2>intimidated and they want to listen to what you and

515
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the mayor has to say. But folks can certainly call

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<v Speaker 2>in if they'd like. Six one, seven, nine, three thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming right back on the Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm WBZ News Radio. It's got a couple of phone

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<v Speaker 2>calls in here. Let me go to Joe in Everett. Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Nightside. Appreciate you calling in your first this

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<v Speaker 2>hour Nightside. Joe.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Dan, I'm an Everett resident. I just want the

525
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<v Speaker 4>meet and know that the people have ever support him,

526
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 4>whether it's getting new sidewalks. I live on Woodward Street.

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00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 4>You know enough, that's enough with these people, these crazy people.

528
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<v Speaker 4>You know, you had a tough time in the school

529
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<v Speaker 4>department with the crazies in the school department and now

530
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Speaker 4>this thing. So the people have evert support him, and

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<v Speaker 4>I hope he run for reelection again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you right there, go ahead, Mayor.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Joe. I appreciate that. It means a lot. I

534
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 4>appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you rather, Mayor, what do you what's realize

536
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>is a two year term? You have a four year trim.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh no, the four year term and uh reelection would

538
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<v Speaker 4>be next year, would.

539
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Be twenty twenty five. What are you thinking?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's make some news, you know what you know, leaning

541
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:23.039
<v Speaker 4>towards running for reelection right now? You know this is

542
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 4>definitely putting this behind us and shut down the leader

543
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 4>Harold uh for good. Uh is a great start, and

544
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 4>you definitely didn't want to go through that again. Having that,

545
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 4>you know that news shaper and business and writing and stuff.

546
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 4>That's it's writing, you know, you know, we feel very

547
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 4>optimistic about running it again, and you know, papers to

548
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 4>come out in the springtime. So right now, I'm just

549
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.519
<v Speaker 4>trying to you know, it's it's been a long road. Uh,

550
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.720
<v Speaker 4>just kind of really just you know, realizing that.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a right to take it. You have a

552
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>right to take a big deep breath, uh and realize

553
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 2>that that at the end of this things worked out

554
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<v Speaker 2>really well. And I suspect that if you did decide

555
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<v Speaker 2>to run for reelection in view of what has happened, uh,

556
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 2>that that you'd be that you be returned pretty easily.

557
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<v Speaker 4>What you definitely have a lot of projects to get done.

558
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of a lot of things that we

559
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 4>want to get done right Uh. You know that that

560
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<v Speaker 4>pedestrian footbridge from Assemble Row over to the Encore Casino.

561
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<v Speaker 4>We're trying to get phase two off the ground, the stadium.

562
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 4>I have a new high school we're trying to get built,

563
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Speaker 4>trying to work with the governor, now the te they

564
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 4>get a couple of commuterial stops in the area. But

565
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 4>there is a lot of work to get done. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's one of the things that is driving me to

567
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 4>uh to look to run it in To be honest

568
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 4>with you, thank you, you care about you care about

569
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 4>the working class people. I just have to say that,

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<v Speaker 4>you really do. So I wanted to thank you. Merry Christmas.

571
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<v Speaker 4>Merry Christmas, Joe, thank you my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks Joe. Iks appreciate you calling it. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have served how many terms? This is finishing your

574
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<v Speaker 2>second term mayor? Is that correct? Or more?

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<v Speaker 4>No? I uh, I've completed three two year terms and

576
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 4>this will be my third four year term.

577
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh so they changed it to the four year term. Okay,

578
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>so you've been mayor there for If I'm eighteen years,

579
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 2>this year will be your eighteen year. If I did my.

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<v Speaker 4>Math, ye, this year coming up will be eighteen years correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well again, keep us posted on that. I want

582
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<v Speaker 2>to just swing back to Jeff for a second. Jeff,

583
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>there's more than than just a case here.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>This has generated a lot of attention in newspapers, not

586
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>only across the America but around the world. What's the

587
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>lesson here? What? What? What? This has to stand for?

588
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Something more than just one rogue newspaper in one city

589
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 2>outside of Boston. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I say this as somebody who is involved in journalism,

591
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:59.400
<v Speaker 3>who loves journalism and journalists, who represents newspapers and media organizations.

592
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>But there is I think, as we all know, a

593
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.320
<v Speaker 3>fair amount of mistrust more than fair, a very severe

594
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.840
<v Speaker 3>amount of mistrust of the media in this country, clearly,

595
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<v Speaker 3>and this is the kind of case which I think

596
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 3>proves the point for a lot of people who think

597
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 3>that there are folks who have this power and don't

598
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.840
<v Speaker 3>wield it in an honest way. And unfortunately there are

599
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.159
<v Speaker 3>instances where that occurs, plenty of them. This was an

600
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 3>egregious example of it, and I think that's why it's

601
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:32.639
<v Speaker 3>captured so much attention.

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00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Their final comment from you, You've gone through this, It

603
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>was not fun to go through. You've emerged on the

604
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>other side with your reputation intact, and the possibility of

605
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>serving four more years in the city that you have

606
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>served so well for eighteen years. I don't want to

607
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 2>ask you was it worth it? But what's the lesson

608
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.079
<v Speaker 2>that you took from this, this whole experience.

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<v Speaker 4>The lesson that I took from this whole experience? Yeah, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>when you when you when you need when you need help,

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00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 4>call Jeff Robinson. Yeah you know, Uh, I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>the lesson I learned from this. It definitely, uh definitely

613
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<v Speaker 4>made me a stronger person, more resilient, person, you know,

614
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, maybe I guess journalists out there too, you know,

615
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<v Speaker 4>have some integrity. When you're writing a story and you

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<v Speaker 4>know someone calls you and tells you something, and you

617
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 4>write a story allegations about somebody, Maybe do some more research,

618
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, not don't just print something and say, oh this,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, allegedly this person did this or that. Do

620
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 4>the real work, you know, do the real work and

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<v Speaker 4>make sure you're not ruining someone's life, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a lesson that all journalists should have. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me get one more in here, real quickly before we

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<v Speaker 2>gotta before we got to break here. Let me one

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<v Speaker 2>last caller. Ken is checking in here. Ken, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next to night side your call on late. I give

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<v Speaker 2>you about a thirty seconds or a minute, go ahead, Ken.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes. I read two books by this gentleman, Josh Wesnick,

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<v Speaker 6>and they're in the public library in Chelsea, and they

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<v Speaker 6>discussed the Chelsea fire. I think maybe the penalty was

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<v Speaker 6>a little harsh one the gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he might have written written good books about the

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<v Speaker 2>Chelsea fire. Ken, But like anything else, if if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a great surgeon, and he's been a great surgeon,

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<v Speaker 2>but he does surgery on you and he screws you

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<v Speaker 2>up for life.

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<v Speaker 5>That's that's a problem. And what he tried to do

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<v Speaker 5>to Carlo, to the mayor of Everett, has been proven.

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<v Speaker 5>What and and I think that there's a lesson for

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<v Speaker 5>all journalists who feel that they can basically go out

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<v Speaker 5>and hunt public officials as you would hunt, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>an animal in the woods during hunting season.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what journalists are supposed to do this.

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<v Speaker 5>They're supposed to consider the the information they have, consider

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<v Speaker 5>their sources, check it in double checking.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you call again nonetheless. All right, thanks very much,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Robbins, Thank you so much. Mayor Dee Maria. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish you a merry Christmas. I know it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a merry Christmas for you and Jeff. I wish

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<v Speaker 2>you and your as a happy honker, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a happy honker for your family

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Every once in a while, the good guys

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<v Speaker 2>do win, and I think of this one, the good

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<v Speaker 2>guys won. Thanks guys. I appreciate it so much.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn, thank you so very much.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, guys, talk to you soon. When we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk with Joey voices, a great entertainer

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<v Speaker 2>who is gonna have a little bit of fun right

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<v Speaker 2>after the nine o'clock news. Here are nights i'd stay

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<v Speaker 2>with us and we're gonna be doing talking with the

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<v Speaker 2>car guys from ten to twelve. There was someone today

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<v Speaker 2>who had a question about a car. I had no idea. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>all I gotta do is call the car guys. They

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<v Speaker 2>will answer all your questions. Coming back on the night,

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<v Speaker 2>said right after this