Speaker 1: Will you wait, miss Welcome back to Midnight Viewing Anthologies Attack,
Speaker 1: where we look at anthologies of every variety and stripe,
Speaker 1: and sometimes that they're not even anthologies at all. We
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Speaker 1: and doing it with me. I'm Father Malone. Everybody with
Speaker 1: me doing it? Mac from his time in Hell's Kitchen,
Speaker 1: Mister Antonio Lapour, How are you, Antonio.
Speaker 2: Father Malone? How are you? How very fitting as we're
Speaker 2: talking about the world's most Catholic superhero here with the Padre.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you and I are both Catholic boys.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Catholic school and everything. I was an altar boy.
Speaker 2: That's actually one of my attachments to Daredevil growing up
Speaker 2: was that he was Kathleen. That kind of resonates. There's folks,
Speaker 2: you gotta understand. There's a certain thing to being raised
Speaker 2: in a pre guilt thing is so there. And I
Speaker 2: feel like Frank Miller might be Catholic too, because like
Speaker 2: his run of comics really embraces that, and Daredevil's guilt
Speaker 2: is so heavy in those issues. Dude, I'm Daredevil was
Speaker 2: my jam and I love spide I'm a DC guy.
Speaker 2: Batman all the way. But in Marvel my favorite character
Speaker 2: was always Daredevil. Spidey number two then probably the Act,
Speaker 2: but I read a lot of Daredevil at fourteen, especially,
Speaker 2: I'd go back and read the old Frank Miller won
Speaker 2: with the Punisher and stuff. Still the best Punisher is
Speaker 2: that old Frank Miller one, because it's the only time
Speaker 2: that Frank the Punisher was really just a bad guy.
Speaker 1: My experience with Daredevil is almost exclusively limited to the
Speaker 1: Frank Miller run. Yeah in the early eighties and then
Speaker 1: Electro Assassin. All Right, I was a Frank Miller guy
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, and I.
Speaker 2: Was one in the mid eighties. I was a little
Speaker 2: boy and I stumbled across the Dark Knight Returns in
Speaker 2: the bookstore, and my mom's teen dollars were a Batman
Speaker 2: comic book and had no idea what was in there,
Speaker 2: and my mind melted and everything Frank Miller did I
Speaker 2: was addicted to. If it had a little FM in
Speaker 2: the corner, I was there.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to mention a striking image from my
Speaker 1: Elector Assassin that has haunted me since childhood, where Electra
Speaker 1: has overwhelmed one of these goons lieutenant and she's got
Speaker 1: him like trusted up and he's naked and she's like
Speaker 1: riding him. Basically that fucked me up as a kid.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that's the billson Kevitch stuff. Right, Oh yeah, Bill,
Speaker 2: let's before we dive into because I because if the
Speaker 2: minute we get to anything electrom we're start talking about
Speaker 2: Billson Kevitch and how much I love it.
Speaker 1: So let's let's talk Daredevil first. Where do you come from?
Speaker 2: Daredevil came from Marvel Comics in the early sixties by
Speaker 2: stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Wood. Right. Was it Wallywood? No?
Speaker 1: No, not Wallywood? Was Bill Everett?
Speaker 2: Bill Effett? Thank you? Why did I?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Do you know about the original Daredevil?
Speaker 2: That is that the old Yeah, he's like the red
Speaker 2: costume with like blue highlights and it's like his whole
Speaker 2: face is red and he was like a stuntman or something.
Speaker 1: He throws a boomerang, and he's mute because he went
Speaker 1: mute when his father was killed in front of him,
Speaker 1: and then he was branded with the with a symbol
Speaker 1: that looks like a boomerang. Okay, he's from nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1: He didn't last very long and was slightly apparently an
Speaker 1: inspiration for the Daredevil that we know in love but.
Speaker 2: Our Daredevel went with Jack Kirby designed that original suit
Speaker 2: and then Everett drew the comic and the original suit
Speaker 2: didn't look anything like that. The original suit was yellow
Speaker 2: and it with that brown thing in the middle, and
Speaker 2: it looked actually really.
Speaker 1: Good on Chee Hulk oh Man, didn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, surprisingly, the only thing wrong with the Daredevil
Speaker 2: costume is they don't have the d's on him.
Speaker 1: Ah. Now you're the second Daredevil fan I've talked to
Speaker 1: talk to who has made that particular comment. And you
Speaker 1: know what rewatching the series and the original movie was
Speaker 1: is that's what we're all gonna be talking about tonight.
Speaker 1: The lack of the d d Now I'm zero in on,
Speaker 1: not because I miss it, but because I figure that
Speaker 1: they're letting fans down in a big way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I miss it. I'm a fan who's kind of
Speaker 2: let well, it was fine up until the guy made
Speaker 2: the suit. For once the guy who can see makes
Speaker 2: the suit, then I feel like that guy would have
Speaker 2: added branding.
Speaker 1: I don't mind him not getting it the first time,
Speaker 1: because the suit came before the Moniker maybe like maybe
Speaker 1: it wasn't his wife by the end there, Okay, that's fine,
Speaker 1: but he's now had six iterations of the goddamn suit.
Speaker 1: At one point, someone's gonna put dd on it because
Speaker 1: it's air devil.
Speaker 2: I hated it the way it was on Affleck's suit,
Speaker 2: like in the corner, like it was a Star Trek uniform.
Speaker 1: It's like an IOD shirt.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like, just embrace it.
Speaker 1: It's on it fully on the middle of the chest.
Speaker 1: Took forever to get Punisher to get the fucking skull
Speaker 1: on him in a proper way, and I.
Speaker 2: Still don't think they have it on it right now,
Speaker 2: Like I think his current skull isn't just like way
Speaker 2: too big.
Speaker 1: You know what I would like if they're going to
Speaker 1: ever revisit him past his involvement currently on Born Again,
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the pirate boots, white, the skin
Speaker 1: tight suit with the fucking skull on it if they do. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm telling Marvel right now, if they're going to do
Speaker 1: a Battle World right and oh yeah.
Speaker 2: He should show up on that trust in that costume,
Speaker 2: well fucking he.
Speaker 1: I need to see Frank Castle in the original costume
Speaker 1: if we're going to do variants and we're gonna do timelines,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: There's a way to do that. There's a way. It
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be spandexy or anything, but there's
Speaker 2: a way to do Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? Even the current look he's built, mister Barenthal.
Speaker 1: Just put on the skin tightest shirt with a proper
Speaker 1: looking skull on it that somebody made from some skin
Speaker 1: tight pants, and look, throw me a bone and give
Speaker 1: him some white boots. They're the only thing available. They're
Speaker 1: like he's in a snowy environment or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Remember that Mike Zech comic that's the best Punisher comic?
Speaker 2: Was that Punisher mini series? Oh man, that's the one
Speaker 2: I wanted to adapt into a movie, like where it
Speaker 2: like starts with him in jail or it ends with
Speaker 2: him in jail. I just love the fact the Punisher
Speaker 2: just ends up in jail and he's with all these
Speaker 2: fucking criminals. And he was in jail before Rorshack was
Speaker 2: in jail too, wasn't he. Yeah, it's because the sequence
Speaker 2: and Watchman is pretty much a similar.
Speaker 1: Very similar. Oh my god, Yeah, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Know, although I remember they tried to pass off that
Speaker 2: you could take a coke bottle and take the end
Speaker 2: off of it and put it on a gun. It
Speaker 2: could be a suppressor that I remember that from that comic.
Speaker 2: But I remember he killed guys in the shower like
Speaker 2: it was like a naked like. He did that. He
Speaker 2: did that before Vigo did.
Speaker 1: Yeh did. Yeah, everyone hates the Punisher in the Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: Can we just point that out? No superheroes trust him
Speaker 1: at all. During Civil War, I remember like when the
Speaker 1: teams were finally all chosen and he walks in a nope,
Speaker 1: you leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that's the way he should
Speaker 2: always be treated, even by the fan base to it.
Speaker 2: I loved Punisher from the eighties when I was a
Speaker 2: little boy, and and then to the nineties during that
Speaker 2: Punisher Heyday. I loved those books. But I said, an adult,
Speaker 2: he's a horrifying character, and you've got to treat it.
Speaker 2: You've got to treat it like that. Like I always
Speaker 2: feel like if I was gonna make a Punisher movie,
Speaker 2: I treat it like a seventies movie. Whereas it's morally ambiguous,
Speaker 2: he's clearly not a good fellow, and you shouldn't try
Speaker 2: to make him heroic in any kind of way. It's
Speaker 2: just the only kind of heroism he's just ad evehm
Speaker 2: to do is like rescue a little kid. That's okay,
Speaker 2: that's where he the redeeming he's got. He's gotta rescue
Speaker 2: a child or something. But otherwise he's a monster, and
Speaker 2: that's the whole point of the character. He's a villain.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they do a pretty good job with
Speaker 1: the John Burnhal thing. I mean, he's way more heroic here,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's because John Burnhal's playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they when they added the crooked, crooked soldier,
Speaker 2: the crooked Special Forces guys, I think that made him then.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, look he's and just like him.
Speaker 2: Just killing criminals indiscriminately works. But the performance is great.
Speaker 2: He like he's perfect. There's the Puniship, But I don't
Speaker 2: think any of the Putniship performances have actually been bad.
Speaker 2: Like every guy who's played him has been pretty good,
Speaker 2: even Dolph Longer, and I will go to the ends
Speaker 2: of time saying that I adored that Dolph Longer move.
Speaker 2: Yeah he looks stupid, he doesn't have the skull, but
Speaker 2: that opening scene with him when the first time you
Speaker 2: see him, and like the mobster's going to celebrate the
Speaker 2: house and he just like murders them unceremoniously then shows
Speaker 2: up on the door and that the house blows up.
Speaker 2: Come on, that's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you the
Speaker 1: opening of that movie. That that whole movie was shot
Speaker 1: in Australia.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did know that. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: it's got Jerond Graviy in it though it does.
Speaker 1: He was on a round. He's just waiting for the fugitive.
Speaker 2: That's right. He's just a ya Goza, the Jeopanese, a Buffia.
Speaker 2: He's the Italian. I don't even know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Fucking dolphl Grin with the super black hair like like
Speaker 1: absolute washing. And then the stenciled on beard.
Speaker 2: That was I was gonna say that that's stenciled on beard,
Speaker 2: that just make up beard is hilarious. And yeah it's terrible,
Speaker 2: but like the murder in it, like the punishing is
Speaker 2: pretty damn good.
Speaker 1: He does punish quite a bit, but could have worked
Speaker 1: a scullet more than just the knife head.
Speaker 2: The just the I feel like the punish sir, I
Speaker 2: don't want Tarantino to make it, but I want Tarantino
Speaker 2: to like it. That's the kind of movie like, because
Speaker 2: his whole thing is seventies revenge moon, I feel the
Speaker 2: Punisher would work best. Is like a seven hard nosed
Speaker 2: seventies revenge joke.
Speaker 1: Carnahan, Oh yeah, he had pitched a trilogy for Daredevil
Speaker 1: before Marvel went nuts. And there's a sizzle reel actually
Speaker 1: you can watch it on YouTube where Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: film was supposed to take place in the seventies, second
Speaker 1: in the eighties, the third and the nineties, so you
Speaker 1: were gonna get that flavor with that. Maybe give Joe
Speaker 1: Carnahan a call Marvel. But you know what, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're doing such they're doing pretty good right now. I
Speaker 1: think with ye why Muddy the Water?
Speaker 2: Joe Karnah, He did eight Team, right, he did Eighteam
Speaker 2: the most underrated, one of the most underrated movies ever. Man,
Speaker 2: that movie was actually surprisingly really good and I'm annoyed
Speaker 2: they never made more.
Speaker 1: But anyways, back it is an insane finale. People forget that.
Speaker 1: The scale of that fucking finale was crazy to choreograph,
Speaker 1: and then it looked in any way good is insane
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: And the fact that that movie works and plays is
Speaker 2: that you accept all the guys in these parts everything
Speaker 2: is fine, and you're like, Okay, great, I want more
Speaker 2: and it just did it resonate. That's too bad.
Speaker 1: It is because I wanted to see John Hamm as
Speaker 1: the next villain. That's what we were promised at the end.
Speaker 2: We were promised that at the end, it sucks all
Speaker 2: the agent.
Speaker 1: All the agents are named Lynch.
Speaker 2: Oh that movie was pretty Yeah, I might have to
Speaker 2: rewatch it. I really enjoyed that pick. It's definitely a
Speaker 2: better movie than that. Ben Affleck Daredevil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk Ben Affleck Daredevil.
Speaker 2: Well, let's can we start with Rex Smith?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, this might be familiar to some of
Speaker 1: you listeners. HP from Noise Junkies and I we picked
Speaker 1: the bones of this particular one. But I am now
Speaker 1: dying to hear your take on it.
Speaker 2: An Dounia, So this came out that Batman year, didn't it?
Speaker 1: It did nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this was the only superhero entertainment that I
Speaker 2: had on videotape because I recorded at an off NBC.
Speaker 2: So I watched it literally a thousand times that summer.
Speaker 1: Let me just speak to that for a moment. Prior
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty nine, anyone listening who was not around then,
Speaker 1: there was nothing. We had Superman, we had some TV
Speaker 1: specials that were sad at best, just pathetic and unavailable, right,
Speaker 1: and we had what was left over from the sixties
Speaker 1: with the Adam West TV series, a smattering of like
Speaker 1: older even cereals that were just anathma to our young
Speaker 1: modern minds.
Speaker 2: Wonder Woman, all right.
Speaker 1: The Wonder Woman series, and that's about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had Spidy Hulk and whatever that Captain America
Speaker 2: was with the motorcycles for.
Speaker 1: All the yeah, the late seventies TV movies, all the
Speaker 1: aborted pilots.
Speaker 2: But in the late eighties they tried to resurrect Hulk,
Speaker 2: but they launched it with our Return of the Incredible
Speaker 2: Hulk was a TV movie and it featured the weirdest
Speaker 2: Thor you ever saw in your life. Was still a
Speaker 2: very good performance, but very weird, like Thor and Don
Speaker 2: Blake were two different guys, and Thorge just looking like
Speaker 2: a Viking. But and that was successful enough to spawn
Speaker 2: a sequel, which was this The Trial of the incredible Hulk.
Speaker 2: When they introduced a black clad Daredevil to capitalize.
Speaker 1: On No, I think they were attempting real world stuff.
Speaker 1: They were like, how would he actually address here? And
Speaker 1: they couldn't afford that red suit and make it look
Speaker 1: good on I gudget in that movie. That movie was
Speaker 1: filmed in one month in Vancouver, zero budget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty terrible and everybody's overacting in it, and
Speaker 2: it's got the great John Reyes Davies as a guy
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be the.
Speaker 1: King could be techno King Finn.
Speaker 2: His name is Wilson Fisk. Kind of he's chubby, well
Speaker 2: but like not big, and he's got a beard and
Speaker 2: hair and sunglasses, and he's English.
Speaker 1: But he's crime boss. He's generic crime boss. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a scriptwriter glanced through the comics. Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty terrible, and Rex Smith is Daredevil is
Speaker 2: overacting the entire time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I disagree with you on that one. No, I
Speaker 1: all right, what I was surprised at HB as well.
Speaker 1: We were both surprised at how much we liked Direx
Speaker 1: Smith's performance. Is Matt Murda.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go back and watch it.
Speaker 1: You should actually, yeah, because I had not seen it
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty nine and it was dreading going back
Speaker 1: knowing how much I did not like it, And that
Speaker 1: was the revelation.
Speaker 2: I just were hearing, going, what do you want information?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, but he's right, he's right in the
Speaker 1: pocket there though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I remember, and I remember his mask had
Speaker 2: a visor on it.
Speaker 1: No, it's super weird. The mask is just there's a
Speaker 1: piece of fabric sown on to cover the eyes, but
Speaker 1: underneath it it because it rolls down it it looks
Speaker 1: puffy as if there are goggles underneath there. But at
Speaker 1: a certain point he just pulls it up and there's
Speaker 1: nothing under there. So it's just bulky and weird looking
Speaker 1: on its own.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, and I guess it was going to be
Speaker 2: a backdoor pilot for the Daredevil show.
Speaker 1: I mean it ends with John Rey's Davies flying away
Speaker 1: in a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that says fisc Gun. I guess he
Speaker 2: got at the same place Danels got his helicopter. So,
Speaker 2: but that's not even the first attempt at getting Daredevil up.
Speaker 2: There was an attempt in the seventies. David Bowie's wife
Speaker 2: wanted to do a Black Widow and Daredevil TV show.
Speaker 1: It's right, the film, they took some publicity photographs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Daredevil was just like it was like a
Speaker 2: hood and he had like face paper. She looked like
Speaker 2: a seventies Yeah. Hopefully the Battle World gives an opportunity
Speaker 2: to unite that Marvel power couple.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, listen, Marvel, I'm serious, now's your chance.
Speaker 1: The Flash that movie, The Flash. Was there a subtitle
Speaker 1: to that?
Speaker 2: No, it was just the Flash? Sorry about this?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, basically they fucked that possibility of combining all
Speaker 1: of those different Superman or Batman or all the different
Speaker 1: multiverse shit.
Speaker 2: It was so poor.
Speaker 1: Please Marvel Battle World, bring them all together. Every fucking
Speaker 1: iteration of a Marvel character. I would like to see here.
Speaker 1: I want to see Nicholas Hammond's spider Man from the
Speaker 1: TV series.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's kind of annoying that he didn't pop
Speaker 2: up in that movie. They had all these guys in it,
Speaker 2: and they could have just had to have it a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not like he's not working. He was
Speaker 1: just in Once upon a Time in Hollywood?
Speaker 2: Where is he in that?
Speaker 1: He's the producer Who's I want to make you like
Speaker 1: Angels Biker, That's right, That is Nicholas Leyko Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I loved that show me too.
Speaker 1: Man, They're still good. I still watch them sometimes it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but it was Spider Man. And when you're six,
Speaker 2: it's still Spider Man. How terrible it was? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: that dude on the guy on the if you can
Speaker 2: find this guy on your Instagram reels or TikTok reels
Speaker 2: and it's like a black.
Speaker 1: Dude and and he's is he just shouting up and
Speaker 1: he's this week on Spider.
Speaker 2: Man and he just does this all this rift like
Speaker 2: these clips from the old seventies show. And it might
Speaker 2: be the funniest thing ever. He does one for Star Trek,
Speaker 2: he does one for Wonder Oh yeah, yeah, dude, it
Speaker 2: is just one of the funniest comics. Man on on
Speaker 2: your social media.
Speaker 1: Oh, I will try and put his insta in the
Speaker 1: in the comments or what the liner notes? Was it
Speaker 1: called the description?
Speaker 2: Right? But like that seventies Spider Man, they could have
Speaker 2: done so much with it, but I guess they did it.
Speaker 2: But I always thought that suit.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, man, I want that goddamn sit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always like the eyes and the way the
Speaker 2: mask went on his face and stuff like it looked
Speaker 2: cool like it was a mask. It's not like now
Speaker 2: that every Spider Man when he has it like there's
Speaker 2: like a helmet in there, like it's all done slide
Speaker 2: of hand. The way he takes his mask off. That
Speaker 2: was the seventies. That was his actual mask.
Speaker 1: So okay, Ben Affleck, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Let's so anyways, try all the Incredible Hulk if you
Speaker 2: get to watch it, find it on tub or something.
Speaker 2: It's a curious. But the Daredevil from.
Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Yeah, oh yeah, good copy.
Speaker 2: So but Daredevil in two thousand and two so directed
Speaker 2: by was that Stephen Summers.
Speaker 1: That Mark, Stephen Johnson, Simon Birch, Daredevil, Ghostwriter, Win in Rome,
Speaker 1: Killing Season Finding, Steve McQueen, Love Guaranteed and then Love
Speaker 1: in the Villa.
Speaker 2: Stuff I haven't seen in some stuff that's wildly.
Speaker 1: As a writer. Grumpy old Man Grumpy or old Man,
Speaker 1: Big Bully, Simon Birch, Jack Frost.
Speaker 2: He I was gonna before we dive into this is
Speaker 2: the thought I had when it came out, and I
Speaker 2: have this thought to this. He was a better writer
Speaker 2: than he was a director. I think there is a
Speaker 2: good movie in that Daredevil's.
Speaker 1: Agree, it's not a good movie. It is so early
Speaker 1: two thousands. It's painful.
Speaker 2: It is the most two thousand and two thing that
Speaker 2: you can possibly Everything about that movie just screams me
Speaker 2: going to the club on the weekend and partying. Everything
Speaker 2: Bullseyes costume, to the soundtrack, to bed Affleck and Jennifer Garner,
Speaker 2: just everything about that movie is just the It's there's
Speaker 2: nothing timeless about it. It's so dated, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: There's nothing timeless exactly. That was the period when everything
Speaker 1: was leather.
Speaker 2: Everything that, like the Matrix dropped and everybody decided they
Speaker 2: were going to go to an SNL.
Speaker 1: And what's funny, Even before the Matrix had come out,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really innovative. I had become enamored
Speaker 1: of that television series Far Escape, the Rockney s Obannon
Speaker 1: written series produced by the Henson Company. Well, yeah, fantastic television,
Speaker 1: a science fiction television show with actual aliens. They because
Speaker 1: it was Henson, they had a lot of their characters
Speaker 1: were basically just puppets, and you totally bought them as characters.
Speaker 1: The innovation there as far as wardrobe was. Everything in
Speaker 1: the in outer space was leather, and it was fucking
Speaker 1: It seemed new and cool. And then the Ax came
Speaker 1: out and then it was like, okay, and now everything's leather.
Speaker 1: And then when Daredevil came out, I was like, give
Speaker 1: it a fucking rest. He looks ridiculous. It looks ill
Speaker 1: fitting and weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the script is a good adaptation of that
Speaker 2: Frank Miller era. It's a very solid adaptation of it.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have directed it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. When I saw Matt Murdoch clinging
Speaker 1: to the cross of a church, I thought, oh boy,
Speaker 1: we're in for something here. But and I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think that script's pretty good. Actually, for early two thousands,
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're doing it with superhero movies.
Speaker 1: Here's a superhero introduction movie. I do think the script
Speaker 1: is solid, except for everything they do with Electra, well,
Speaker 1: the Electra.
Speaker 2: Stuff in it, it just is misguided most of the way.
Speaker 2: She's so bland. And that's just from the writing to
Speaker 2: the casting to the costume designer just all bland. And
Speaker 2: that's that's too bad. Was like Sophie Marceau not available,
Speaker 2: or who else was an interesting European girl in the
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, Monica Bulucci was she not available?
Speaker 1: For God's sakes, Wow, that would have been pretty good actually, yeah, or.
Speaker 2: Even Catherine z Ada Jones at that point was still
Speaker 2: maybe thirty years old.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't, like, there were lots of choices, but
Speaker 1: she was hot off of that television series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess she was an action actioneer off
Speaker 2: that show. But I don't. I have nothing against her,
Speaker 2: but she's so like bread and like just whitebread. And
Speaker 2: there's nothing like Greek or Mediterranean or about her or
Speaker 2: anything sexy about her.
Speaker 1: Either, Like no, it's and it's Look, the fucking mating
Speaker 1: scene of the fight in the playground, which feels like
Speaker 1: a total reshoot, is so poor. It like it's just
Speaker 1: baffling to watch. It isn't romantic, it's just it. This
Speaker 1: isn't a meet cute. I think he thought he was
Speaker 1: being clever in having this. Well it's there, they're getting
Speaker 1: to know each other fight.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is that movie shouldn't have been
Speaker 2: shot like the way it was shot. It was shot
Speaker 2: like very slick, very matrixy, like with the exception of
Speaker 2: one or two of those shots where they're just trying
Speaker 2: to copy what Joe Casada was drawing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's too much of a Batman influence
Speaker 2: on it or whatever, But like that movie should have
Speaker 2: been the opposite of a spider Man instead of sick,
Speaker 2: slick and pretty. It should have just been down in
Speaker 2: gritty And the show does it so much better now.
Speaker 1: That is not the mark Stephen Johnson way. Even his
Speaker 1: grit is shiny and bright.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it shouldn't have been at all. And just
Speaker 2: that music is just every time I think of that movie,
Speaker 2: all I hear is was, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's it, and it's just it's all that new metally
Speaker 1: kind of early two thousands, what's on the radio kids.
Speaker 2: That's that movie? Is pretty much what's wrong with that song? Right?
Speaker 2: There would be there's a timeless song and with the
Speaker 2: most beautiful melody and the most beautiful woman singing the
Speaker 2: most beautiful song, and then this fucking guy with a
Speaker 2: trucker cap and ed hardy teacher comes in there and
Speaker 2: just shits on it with his rapping and his screaming,
Speaker 2: and just like douche baggery, and I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a good script in Darde, but then all of this
Speaker 2: douche baggery at hardy leathery shit comes in there. What
Speaker 2: is fucking Bullsye wearing?
Speaker 1: It's just bulls I swearing that giant leather trench coat,
Speaker 1: sit lord, and it's just killing.
Speaker 2: This amazing performance by Colin Farrell who just steals the
Speaker 2: movie from everybody.
Speaker 1: Look like Mickey Rourke for me, Colin Farrell, I've been
Speaker 1: a fan since day one. Man, when he showed up
Speaker 1: in this movie, I'm so stoked. And then that his performances,
Speaker 1: it is beyond this movie. It's so much better than
Speaker 1: this movie. And oh, speaking of Battle World, y'all get
Speaker 1: this bulls eye in that, because I love this bulls eye.
Speaker 1: He figured out what the movie needed to be when
Speaker 1: nobody else could in that flick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's okay, it looks like we're gonna
Speaker 2: have some fun. I think that I can be naughty
Speaker 2: in it, and he went in there. He's just I'm
Speaker 2: going to try to fuck the audience with his performance,
Speaker 2: and even with that terrible makeup and like that shoe
Speaker 2: polish go tee that he's got going on that and
Speaker 2: that reject background extra matrix costume that he's got.
Speaker 1: It's awful, I will say. A friend of mine and I,
Speaker 1: after seeing this movie, repeated a gesture of his to
Speaker 1: each other basically every time we saw each other for months,
Speaker 1: which is after he has killed Electra's dad, he points
Speaker 1: at the kill, points to himself, and then points to
Speaker 1: the bull's eye on his head. Doesn't say a word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the bullseye scar in his head.
Speaker 1: I did too. I thought that was a great innovation,
Speaker 1: that was, and.
Speaker 2: It has been a in the comics too, like He's
Speaker 2: I've seen it in the comic.
Speaker 1: Books, as it should be now that once you recognize
Speaker 1: something great, just fucking run.
Speaker 2: So that was the one design choice. Then Michael Clark
Speaker 2: Duncan as Kingpin is weird, Like his performance isn't bad,
Speaker 2: and I don't mind the casting of it other than
Speaker 2: he's just not fat.
Speaker 1: And I just don't know what he wants. I don't
Speaker 1: know who Kingpin is in this movie. He's just a
Speaker 1: bad guy. He's just another obstacle for Daredevil.
Speaker 2: And Kingpin's motivation is just he just wants everything, and
Speaker 2: and they don't really even go into that.
Speaker 1: No, Ultimately, we don't really get a scene of Wilson
Speaker 1: Fisk being Wilson Fisk in the movie. He's just every
Speaker 1: scene is a plot motivation scene with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, I don't mind the performance. I don't
Speaker 2: mind the casting. He's just not either. I know, but
Speaker 2: he as a larger, bald white guy or latino, but
Speaker 2: there's very fair skinned. I can play I can play
Speaker 2: the Kingpin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, you're could.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that's because he's like the big
Speaker 2: dude in comics. That like isn't a joke.
Speaker 1: That's true. No one ever would accuse the Kingpin of
Speaker 1: not being able to fuck everybody up man.
Speaker 2: It's the only guy who fucks with the Kingpin is
Speaker 2: Spider Man. And that's just because he's Spider Man. He
Speaker 2: can get away with it. Like I even know the
Speaker 2: old cartoons, he was like, hey, Tubby, but the Kingpin
Speaker 2: is just is a solid.
Speaker 3: Mass And that was Frank Miller's innovation because he was
Speaker 3: just a fat guy and that Spider Man made fun
Speaker 3: of until he showed up in an I guess an
Speaker 3: R rated comic in the for nineteen eighty whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and he's just there.
Speaker 2: Crushing dudes in his underwear, just like murdering guys with
Speaker 2: his bare hands. And you're like, oh, he's that kind
Speaker 2: of fat. Okay, Yeah, he's like King Kong Bundy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, imagine him, Oh my god, can
Speaker 1: you It would be had to be a fun movie.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're right, I don't really know what he wants.
Speaker 2: I do love Michael Clark Duncan just as an actor,
Speaker 2: always just loved every way he delivered the lines.
Speaker 1: So he delivered what he was given, right, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: That's a good performance for an underwritten part. Yeah, Black
Speaker 1: is underwritten. Fucking Kingpin is underwritten. He over wrote Bullseye,
Speaker 1: and obviously Colin Farrell threw all that out. Uh, and
Speaker 1: what we're left with is Affleck is Matt Murdoch, which
Speaker 1: is fine. It's a fine portrayal of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's just like, why was that
Speaker 2: not Matt Damon?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it should have been Matt Damon.
Speaker 2: Actually me and I remember me and my friends saying
Speaker 2: the exact when I came out. Ben Affleck should play Batman,
Speaker 2: not even back then. You're like Batman, big dude, he's Superman,
Speaker 2: like Daredevil is not huge. Daredevil is a dude. He
Speaker 2: just and I felt that the everymanness of Matt Damon
Speaker 2: really played well with plus that hair color, like he
Speaker 2: just looks it. He's an Irish guy.
Speaker 1: It's yeah. The tint that they've given Ben Affleck's hair
Speaker 1: is ridiculous in.
Speaker 2: This Yeah, and he's so big and hulking. It's just
Speaker 2: he's not built to do the stuff that Daredevil does.
Speaker 1: And he would be instantly recognizable. I don't care if
Speaker 1: he is blind with that build. And then show's up
Speaker 1: in the suit, you know what I mean, like wanting
Speaker 1: him walk into court. It's well, who's that fucking Oh
Speaker 1: he's blind? Well, I guess he couldn't be Daredevil.
Speaker 2: But come on, and that suit of his, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's leather, and it's why is it a zip up jacket?
Speaker 2: There's all these weird things going on with that suit.
Speaker 2: But again, the writing is it bad. The plot works,
Speaker 2: it can use another polish And that movie needed a
Speaker 2: better director, you know what I mean, needed a more
Speaker 2: a nuanced action director. I don't know who would have
Speaker 2: been like John wu or something I don't know, or
Speaker 2: oh gosh, who was around then? Then a martial arts movie.
Speaker 1: Joe Carnahan was around then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Karrhan could have done it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could have worked off of this script. I
Speaker 1: would have been happy with it, he would have said
Speaker 1: in the seventies, and that would have been even better.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But there are things in there where tries to
Speaker 2: be where he's sleeping in the Yeah, I think that's interesting,
Speaker 2: the fact that he's eating pain and and all of
Speaker 2: his stuff, like there's something there.
Speaker 1: But they also enjoyed daredevil vision his sonar quibble here.
Speaker 1: At one point in his narration, he says, it gave
Speaker 1: me a kind of radar sense. It's sonar, dude, it's
Speaker 1: all based on sound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so, but what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: I've always felt my interpretation it's neat looking. It's the
Speaker 2: cool after effects of effect they do. My take on
Speaker 2: Daredevil's superpowers has always been like he just knows where
Speaker 2: everything is. He can't see it, it just knows you're there.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a moment in the subway where the guy
Speaker 1: is hiding behind one of the columns. His quarry is
Speaker 1: hiding behind one of the columns, and he keeps hitting
Speaker 1: his baton on a metal railing and so when we
Speaker 1: cut to his vision, what we get is basically a
Speaker 1: blank screen, but a wave of sound radiating from the
Speaker 1: thing and then illuminating each column until you get a
Speaker 1: brief image of the guy in the And I thought,
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: That is cool. That does make him even blinder though yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it makes his shenanigans a little even cooler
Speaker 1: in that, but it doesn't. So I watched the director's cut.
Speaker 2: Is that better? I see, I've heard it's better.
Speaker 1: It is better, subtly better, Like during that opening fight
Speaker 1: scene in the bar, the strobe lit to shaky cammed to.
Speaker 1: During that sequence, the sound basically drops out almost altogether,
Speaker 1: and you just hear like whispers of fan blades and
Speaker 1: little things like that instead of just a pump and
Speaker 1: rock and song over a kick ass fight scene. That,
Speaker 1: as a directory of the choice, made more sense to
Speaker 1: me and made me like Matt Murdoch a little bit better.
Speaker 1: So there are little subtle things like that make it better.
Speaker 1: There's an entire subplot with Coolio who they're defending. Foggy
Speaker 1: and Matt Murdoch are not only defending, but like investigating
Speaker 1: during the course of the film. His case did not
Speaker 1: need that we were happy without it. But you know,
Speaker 1: other than a little bit more brutal, there isn't much difference.
Speaker 1: It's better than the theatrical version.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. I never just okay, I saw
Speaker 2: the theatrical version a couple of times. That's enough for me.
Speaker 1: Remember in the early two thousands when every superhero movie
Speaker 1: had a ten minute credit sequence that was so fucking boring.
Speaker 1: Remember Spider Man, It's just okay, a web, another web, Yeah,
Speaker 1: webs Okay. At some point I'd like to watch the
Speaker 1: movie do that here with the super terrible CG New
Speaker 1: York city scape where they have blacked out buildings but
Speaker 1: some of the windows are lit, and then the windows,
Speaker 1: the lit windows become brail, and then the braille become
Speaker 1: the title.
Speaker 2: Come on, Like they all just saw that Tim Burton
Speaker 2: Batman and they.
Speaker 1: Had to like, we got to do an incredible credit
Speaker 1: sequence that last for an entire credit sequence. No, you
Speaker 1: don't need to do that. We could just jump right.
Speaker 2: Look on my first movie, Space Effective, I did that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I had like an elaborate opening credit sequence
Speaker 2: which was fun and all that stuff, And if I
Speaker 2: went back and recut it, I probably chopped that out.
Speaker 2: Like the opening credit sequence isn't like a thing anymore.
Speaker 2: Although I do appreciate the overture ideas so like it
Speaker 2: can work.
Speaker 1: But I think it all depends on if you have
Speaker 1: a good enough idea for a credit sequence, you need
Speaker 1: to justify your credit sequence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I liked it in my
Speaker 2: movie still because I just love that music, but I
Speaker 2: get it and a couple of things I've done since then,
Speaker 2: the shorts, I haven't use title where you go. It depends.
Speaker 2: I think opening credits can be considered the cover of
Speaker 2: the comic book.
Speaker 1: I love a great credit sequence, but.
Speaker 2: The openings of Spider Man were both poor, even that
Speaker 2: second one, with all the like the Alex Ross artwork,
Speaker 2: it just kind of went on and on. Can cut
Speaker 2: them down and make him quick? I don't know, it depends.
Speaker 2: I don't like Marvel doesn't do the titles at the
Speaker 2: front of the movies anymore. The title of the movies
Speaker 2: are usually Marvel No.
Speaker 1: But you know what we did get at the start
Speaker 1: of this movie was the whispering pages Marvel promo. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: loved that.
Speaker 2: That's the beginning of it.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 1: Oh man, just the hint of the comic book page
Speaker 1: and now it's just a thundering fanfare.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all of their shit. But so the movie
Speaker 2: itself is it's all right. It's an interesting take on Daredevil.
Speaker 2: The script would have been better in more suitable hands,
Speaker 2: but it is what it is. It was pretty evocative
Speaker 2: of all the superhero movies of that time period.
Speaker 1: Glad it didn't get a sequel. Shocked it got a sequel, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it.
Speaker 2: Did that Electra, which I've still not seen to this day,
Speaker 2: because it just looked terrible. I feel like it's a
Speaker 2: really bad take on Ninja. Scroll right. She has to
Speaker 2: face the different demons or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And exactly what it is, people with tattoos of snakes
Speaker 1: coming off of their body, fighting Mortal Kombat style and
Speaker 1: forests that aren't particularly visually interesting, and it's kind of all, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is what it was.
Speaker 2: And why do they not want to give Electra her headband?
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to give her the head band?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what the fuck? Man, it's like her thing like,
Speaker 1: she looks hot.
Speaker 2: In the headband. I don't get it. Size in a headband,
Speaker 2: that's all you need. Even in the new show, she
Speaker 2: don't have the headband.
Speaker 1: No, and she's a much better election You know who
Speaker 1: they should have cast in the year two thousand and
Speaker 1: two to play Elector. Well, salmahayak. She's half Lebanese, right.
Speaker 2: She is mostly Lebanese. Actually, yeah, she's from Mexico, but
Speaker 2: her family is from like my family on Cuban, but
Speaker 2: my family is from Lebanon, Azaria, from Mount Lebanon. So
Speaker 2: it's like kind of in between the two countries.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I would believe her as Electra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have. I would have loved have seen.
Speaker 1: Her asom in the outfit.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I could steal that out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna generate some AI later.
Speaker 2: How unethical in so many ways?
Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, that leaves a long gap.
Speaker 2: We had some animated anywhere. Well, I guess I'm the
Speaker 2: old Spider Man cartoon.
Speaker 1: He showed up Spider Man and his amazing friends and
Speaker 1: his amazing friends.
Speaker 2: He was his lawyer there and then nineties Fox five
Speaker 2: or We Fox Kids Afternoon or whatever, that one with
Speaker 2: the Joe Perry song.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and he's expertly drawn there. He's beautifully drawn. Actually,
Speaker 1: in the in the the nineties, one with the super highlights.
Speaker 2: And shall all those shadows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, I went back and watched some of
Speaker 1: these Marvel's nineties animated fair and I'm knocked out by
Speaker 1: some of the design on it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the Fantastic four show was actually I remember really
Speaker 2: liking that the Iron Man show sucked, but the Fantastic
Speaker 2: four one was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Is that the one from the seventies, the sixties, the.
Speaker 2: One from the nineties, the nineties, it had the theme song,
Speaker 2: which is like, just call the full fantastic full do do.
Speaker 2: The one from the sixties is pretty good too. The
Speaker 2: one from the seventies is trash. The one with the
Speaker 2: fucking robot. Oh that's awful.
Speaker 1: Herbie, Herbie, Oh god, I like the robot, but that
Speaker 1: show was there not great. When Captain America throws his
Speaker 1: mighty she.
Speaker 2: Those who opposed the shield must yield. Yeah, I remember
Speaker 2: they had their like generic Hitler on nine cartoon that
Speaker 2: was like Hitler, but they wouldn't call him a Nazi.
Speaker 1: Wow. Kind of like today, right, so I will.
Speaker 2: I think, I know we've had this bait before, but
Speaker 2: I always kind of feel that Marvel hurt society by
Speaker 2: not emphasizing that the red skull, I feel like dismissing
Speaker 2: him as just a hydra dude. I agree quickly.
Speaker 1: I agree with you when I think it's more in
Speaker 1: keeping with that character that he would form his own Reich.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he could have called it the Fourth
Speaker 1: Reich and continued with the Nazi imagery to do what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yes, but I don't think Captain America's impact
Speaker 1: is that strong on American culture. I think the current
Speaker 1: rise of fascism is has much greater antecedents.
Speaker 2: I also think that Steven Spielberg going no more Nazi
Speaker 2: villains and movies because I only make serious World War
Speaker 2: two films. Now, that was also a mistake. I think
Speaker 2: Nazis as bad guys.
Speaker 1: In movies should have never been I agree watch Season
Speaker 1: two Millennium. The Nazis come back in that and as
Speaker 1: one of the underground players on the global scale, and
Speaker 1: they are dealt with effectively wonderfully. Actually it's a two
Speaker 1: parter Alan Boosters is what the episodes are called.
Speaker 2: My favorite Captain America comics when I was a kid
Speaker 2: was anytime that he was in World War Two fighting
Speaker 2: fighting the Nazi Threat that was always my favorite, like
Speaker 2: that Captain America Origin that came out in the early nineties,
Speaker 2: and Kevin Maguire's my favorite comics. But anyways, we're getting
Speaker 2: off track talking about well we.
Speaker 1: Are talking about the MCU, and now let's talk about
Speaker 1: the MCU's version of Daredevil because we finally got it.
Speaker 1: In the television series. All of the Street level heroes
Speaker 1: minus Spider Man were relegated to the Marvel Television ghetto
Speaker 1: under Ike Pearl Mutter's perview.
Speaker 2: And it's a miracle that those shows came out. For
Speaker 2: the most part, were pretty good.
Speaker 1: I think the initial seasons of Daredevil and Luke Cage
Speaker 1: and Jessica Jones, I think those were all well considered.
Speaker 1: And then I think at a certain point Ike Pearl
Speaker 1: Mutter was in such competition with Kevin Figgy that he
Speaker 1: was like, I wanted Avengers now.
Speaker 2: I feel that the biggest drop off was Jessica Jones
Speaker 2: because that first season was just incredible. In the second
Speaker 2: season at all, I thought the Iron Fist was just
Speaker 2: awful all the way through. The Luke Cage I think
Speaker 2: was consistent, but Daredevil, I thought was the one that
Speaker 2: was consistently good throughout. It wasn't wild about the Punishers.
Speaker 1: That was okay, the Punisher on his own series, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the Punisher season of Daredevil was fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Season two Yeah, all of Daredevil was great, I thought,
Speaker 2: And I liked the Defenders. I thought it was not No.
Speaker 1: I checked out about halfway through. I think he just
Speaker 1: didn't feel like there were any steaks, honestly, and the
Speaker 1: stakes weird and silly, and I hate and I hated
Speaker 1: iron Fist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate iron Fist too, like Danny Ran can.
Speaker 1: Piss up a rope man just recasting. Yeah, give us
Speaker 1: somebody else, give us Tiger.
Speaker 2: Who's on this season of But the Daredevil show I
Speaker 2: thought was consistently good its entire run. I enjoyed that
Speaker 2: entire run of Daredevil, even the way it ended. I
Speaker 2: loved Electra, I loved Punisher. Okay, Electra didn't have the headband.
Speaker 1: No, but Elerd Young, Yeah, Elity Young, beautiful name, beautiful woman.
Speaker 1: I did not understand most of her dialogue, honestly, I
Speaker 1: swear I subtitled.
Speaker 2: It fair enough. I thought she was fine as Electra, but.
Speaker 1: She was just fine as Electra, and Electric is more
Speaker 1: than fine, that's true. She should be a goddess.
Speaker 2: They don't. They don't pay. They don't mind pay enough mind.
Speaker 1: I think No, it just felt kind of rushed, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 1: Electra should thread throughout his life. She should be it's
Speaker 1: his catwoman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true. She needs to be coming in
Speaker 2: and out of his life constantly. She should show up
Speaker 2: on this show too.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: But that being said, for the most part, everything about
Speaker 2: the Daredevil show, I've really love it. Probably my favorite
Speaker 2: stuff that Marvel's done, outside of those Avenger movies, which
Speaker 2: are all pretty good and those Spider Man said that
Speaker 2: Dared Double show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's one thing you should learn. If you find
Speaker 1: yourself suddenly in the Daredevil universe stant of hallways.
Speaker 2: If there's room for Dolly shot, you need to get
Speaker 2: out of the way.
Speaker 1: You gotta fucking run. It's Darwell's same deal.
Speaker 2: Do you If they can get a steady camera or
Speaker 2: a ronin in there, you're screwed. Man.
Speaker 1: You need to take an elevator to a tiny room
Speaker 1: that leads to the outside. Because you're in a hallway,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get caught in a melee.
Speaker 2: That fight scene with him in the black Suit when
Speaker 2: he's first starting out. I really like that black Suit
Speaker 2: is it's what Miller and Ramita did, and and Man
Speaker 2: Without Fear his the official origin, which is like to two.
Speaker 2: I liked it. It worked, and then he finally gets
Speaker 2: the Daredevils, who My only complaint on the show is
Speaker 2: that Daredevil generally doesn't show up until later in the seasons.
Speaker 2: And I feel like these shows all really could learn
Speaker 2: a thing or two from the comics they're done. Do
Speaker 2: you get twelve episodes of a TV show would be
Speaker 2: the optimum twelve or thirteen, right, but you can get
Speaker 2: twelve issues in an annual, you get two or three storylines,
Speaker 2: an over arcing storyline, and bottleneck issues all And they
Speaker 2: really can learn to do that on these TV shows,
Speaker 2: and they don't do like, here's twelve episodes, we have
Speaker 2: to have a twelve episode arc. Now you can have
Speaker 2: two episode arcs. You can have multiple little arcs and
Speaker 2: then have a big one that come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a couple of episodes, you could say, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on with the such and such case. Oh
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, we're working on it. Okay, back to
Speaker 1: what we're doing, right, now it's yeah, the idea in
Speaker 1: a lot of people because streaming was still kind of
Speaker 1: a new thing as far as trying to plot out
Speaker 1: a series arcs. Everyone started saying, it's a twelve hour movie.
Speaker 1: No it isn't. It's not a You're not giving us
Speaker 1: a three acts structure with everything building up to that
Speaker 1: fucking ending. You're stringing us. You have one story, you've
Speaker 1: created seven subplots for, and not all of them pay off.
Speaker 1: My problem with the Daredevil series, my problem with the
Speaker 1: Marvel series overall, is that they all should have been
Speaker 1: eight episodes. I think they were following the twelve issue
Speaker 1: and also twelve episode BBC model, figuring that's perfect, right,
Speaker 1: four episodes, three acts, sure, but there wasn't enough story
Speaker 1: to sustain it.
Speaker 2: No, and that's but they do the act in the
Speaker 2: structure of the comic book, but they don't pay attention
Speaker 2: to the way the comic books go through the year.
Speaker 2: If I'm reading a Daredevil comic, for example, for a year,
Speaker 2: he's going to have three storylines, and that they do.
Speaker 2: There's going to be a four issue arc where he's
Speaker 2: fighting the Owl, and there's going to be a two
Speaker 2: parter where he's got a deal with Typhoid Mary coming out,
Speaker 2: and then there's six issues of The Kingpin and Electra
Speaker 2: or something like it. And then in the annual you
Speaker 2: get like a flashback. You could do that kind of
Speaker 2: in a TV show, and they don't seem to ever
Speaker 2: kind of do that. They want to give you a
Speaker 2: twelve hour movie or they want to give you twelve bottlenecks.
Speaker 2: They don't. We're going to mix it up.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Well, I think at least my prayers have been answered.
Speaker 1: We've got two seasons now, eight episodes each. The first
Speaker 1: season here that this first season of Born Again actually
Speaker 1: has nine, but I'm basically considering the first episode two hours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that first episode was outs.
Speaker 1: Okay, before we get going, folks were now talking season
Speaker 1: four technically of Daredevil Born Again currently playing. The first
Speaker 1: two episodes have been released. Antonio and I have watched them,
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to be spoiling some things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: first episode, it's kind of impossible not to spoil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's like if the States status quos changes
Speaker 2: changes in the first ten minutes. But before we get
Speaker 2: in there, John Burnhall that season of The Punisher was
Speaker 2: really good too, because he had the equivalent in the
Speaker 2: jail fight too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and that was unexpected. That was
Speaker 1: you right. That was the best part of that season, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they had you had you had Bullseye on
Speaker 2: the show. You didn't. You've got the greatest hits of
Speaker 2: Daredevil up unto a point on that original show, and
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the hell out of it. But what
Speaker 2: Marvel put out this week makes that show look like
Speaker 2: a piece of junk.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: This is the most That first episode was like the
Speaker 2: one of the best adaptations of a superhero thing I've
Speaker 2: ever watched. It was so good, Like it was the
Speaker 2: right level of operatic and the right level of street level.
Speaker 2: It was like the right level of handheld and so
Speaker 2: like you still got him doing all the cool ah
Speaker 2: look at him swinging around on a rope and shit,
Speaker 2: but it still was substantially grounded. It wasn't overly shiny
Speaker 2: and unlike a lot of the other Marvel stuff, it
Speaker 2: was really stylie like, it looked like something. It had
Speaker 2: really nice cinematography. It was pretty and Marvel movies. One
Speaker 2: thing they all kind of disappoint me on is they
Speaker 2: all kind of have a very standard look to them.
Speaker 2: They all have that the same color and color grade.
Speaker 2: They all have kind of the same visual style they
Speaker 2: do outside of the James gun stuff. Who does this
Speaker 2: seems to have fun. Everything else is pretty straightforward and daredevil.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make a little bit more like we've seen
Speaker 2: a Martin Scorsese movie.
Speaker 1: Well, and James can get away with it because it's
Speaker 1: it's cosmic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an outer space and I guess putting it.
Speaker 1: On the street, there's a ridiculous outfit that makes no
Speaker 1: fucking sense, and here it is.
Speaker 2: But this is nice, like the light but like James
Speaker 2: Gunn lights, you know what I mean. And I feel
Speaker 2: like everything is kind of flat, flatly.
Speaker 1: Lit in the rest of the Marvel flicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this was moody and really well lit, and
Speaker 2: there was red.
Speaker 1: And everything was covered in fog and fog. Yeah, loved it.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like they said they've seen a Martin Scorsese movie.
Speaker 2: You know that that taxi driver that was clearly the
Speaker 2: guy who directed the the guys who directed the pilot.
Speaker 2: I guess this guy's direct the whole show. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: they're really pay attention to taxi driver. Main streets A
Speaker 2: little bit, especially Taxi Driver with all that steam coming
Speaker 2: out of the It's very pretty. And just a shot
Speaker 2: of seeing Daredevil swinging. I still haven't seen Batman swing
Speaker 2: in a hundred fucking Batman movie. And there he is.
Speaker 1: He's that's right, he's always just being towed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there he was swinging, and I thought that
Speaker 2: was really cool and being Daredevil doing and just to
Speaker 2: quite the right level of it, because it was too
Speaker 2: much in that movie with the in the Benefleck.
Speaker 1: Movie, too much Daredevil.
Speaker 2: No, it was too almost cartoony the way he was kind.
Speaker 1: Of, Oh yeah, it was. It's fantastically cartoony. It's it
Speaker 1: in a set that on the rewatch, I could tell
Speaker 1: that they had built out to give space for people
Speaker 1: to flip around and have big scenes in instead of
Speaker 1: like a bar.
Speaker 2: But Daredevil the way went Okay, So turn it off
Speaker 2: if you haven't watched it yet, Okay, because we're gonna
Speaker 2: we gotta talk. Yeah, because there's way to even talk
Speaker 2: about the first scene.
Speaker 1: No, and here's the thing in the in the run
Speaker 1: up to this show, we've been hearing chatter forever, right,
Speaker 1: So those original Netflix series. Once it became clear that
Speaker 1: Marvel was going to just tank back everything that they could.
Speaker 1: Netflix canceled the series, but there was a there was
Speaker 1: an agreement in place that they couldn't use the characters
Speaker 1: or do anything with the characters for any number of years,
Speaker 1: And obviously the first year that they were able to
Speaker 1: that's when No Way Home came out and Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: showed up as Peter Parker's lawyer in that film. So
Speaker 1: now they've been introduced into the MCU. But now they've
Speaker 1: been talking about doing Born Again forever and ever, and
Speaker 1: now I've forgotten my point. Antonio well.
Speaker 2: Born Again is also the title of a comic too,
Speaker 2: Gary Devil Born Again by Frank Miller and the great
Speaker 2: David Ah.
Speaker 1: He was all he's an eighties guy. He did two
Speaker 1: comic books, The High School Hero did Doo comic books.
Speaker 2: He did this one and maybe the best Batman comic
Speaker 2: Batman Year one, certainly one of the best, certainly the
Speaker 2: best drawn Batman.
Speaker 1: I'll agree with that if you've never read Best the
Speaker 1: Side of Batman. The Cult.
Speaker 2: Bernie Wright said, yeah, I'm a big fan of Killing Joke,
Speaker 2: Ryan Bowland, but yeah, the Killing Joke is it's number two,
Speaker 2: very close number Man Year one, Mazuchelli, I hope by
Speaker 2: saying it right, it's the most gorgeous Batman. It's fine
Speaker 2: art man. It is just so beautifully drawn. And you
Speaker 2: can see the beginnings of that in Born Again with
Speaker 2: Dardel when I had the greatest that trade had the
Speaker 2: best cover for him jumping through the stained glass window
Speaker 2: with his mom the nun Oh, his mom, He said, like,
Speaker 2: how catholic can you get? Like that? Like, my mom
Speaker 2: would have would have been a nun if had I
Speaker 2: not after my dad passed. I think my mom would
Speaker 2: have become a nun I had I not been around.
Speaker 2: So like it was, Yeah, I felt a lot close,
Speaker 2: very close to But the Mazuchelli art is gorgeous. His Batman,
Speaker 2: Gregory Peck, it's beautiful. The animated Batman Year one is
Speaker 2: still my favorite animated Batman movie. It might be my
Speaker 2: favorite Batman movie. I don't know. It's pretty pretty.
Speaker 1: Perfect, Okay, I've remembered all right, so long run up
Speaker 1: to this new Daredevil series, right, and now we've heard
Speaker 1: about all the casting, and we kept hearing about about
Speaker 1: Karen wall Is it Karen fuck? I don't want to
Speaker 1: say her name wrong. Because I know it's Karen Page.
Speaker 2: Right, who had an awful fate in the comics. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith gave her age.
Speaker 1: We kept hearing from denbra Annwall that she was not
Speaker 1: being asked back for the series, right, and then a
Speaker 1: similar confirmation from Elden Henson, who plays Foggy Nelson, so
Speaker 1: to hear kind of last second, and when the trailers
Speaker 1: started dropping that they're going to be in the series,
Speaker 1: I was stoked because I like those characters a great deal.
Speaker 1: I like these actors playing them, and I want to
Speaker 1: see more of them in the MCU. So that brings
Speaker 1: us to what you were saying, Antonio, which is the
Speaker 1: first time minutes of this where we get to see
Speaker 1: the gang all back together and it's fucking great and
Speaker 1: we can't wait for their further adventures and yet done Bullseye.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I was not expecting to see Foggy and
Speaker 2: he just boom right in the chest Foggy Nelson. Really,
Speaker 2: I was expecting Karen Page to get it, not Foggy Nelson,
Speaker 2: and you know what, she looks like it, but she's fine.
Speaker 2: I think the old show suffered a little bit when
Speaker 2: they would steer clear they would like, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a Karen episs, We're gonna do a Foggy episode nobody
Speaker 2: cares about.
Speaker 1: I humbly disagree with you.
Speaker 4: Do you really?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love those two characters. I just think they needed
Speaker 1: something more interesting than just regular intrigue, like they're they
Speaker 1: needed meteor plots basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the And like you was expecting Karen Page
Speaker 1: to get shot, Bunt was not expecting a death. No.
Speaker 2: I was not expecting a death because I felt like
Speaker 2: that was because the original thing. They had shot a
Speaker 2: lot of the show already, and Kevin Fagy and company decided, Man,
Speaker 2: let's you go back, and I thought, oh, they must
Speaker 2: have killed somebody.
Speaker 1: And then they decided, or maybe they decided, we need
Speaker 1: more steaks right at this, right at the outset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need somebody to go. And everybody loves Foggy.
Speaker 2: Everybody does love Foggy.
Speaker 1: It's a bold move, and it fucking broke my heart.
Speaker 2: I did like him as Foggy. I did like but
Speaker 2: I seen that guy in a couple of things, and
Speaker 2: this was the first time I ever really liked him.
Speaker 2: I think he was in butterfly effect.
Speaker 1: Right something like that. Yeah, he's got that teen comedy face.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was like teen comedy Philip Seymour Huffman but
Speaker 2: oh sorry, but yeah, it was brutal to see him go.
Speaker 2: I was it really set the tone for what the
Speaker 2: show was and what was it gonna be. And like
Speaker 2: the level of steaks, I guess I hate saying that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the steaks are pretty high. But that's see
Speaker 2: because it's just like all of a sudden, the bullseye
Speaker 2: starts coming through there and she's strapped and she's about
Speaker 2: to pop him, and it cuts the inside of it
Speaker 2: was a cut the inside of the bar, and she
Speaker 2: bullseyes just fly through the window and then dareduble show
Speaker 2: up just looking.
Speaker 1: Another fucking fantastic fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I liked how like they cut from him
Speaker 2: swinging at him to like the reaction, Like it was
Speaker 2: really clever editing, really good filmmaking. I just that fight
Speaker 2: was spectacular and the way he just like unceremoniously throws
Speaker 2: him out the roof.
Speaker 1: What a shot. By the way, Yeah, forever, every movie
Speaker 1: from the seventies and eighties which would have a building fall,
Speaker 1: we would always have to cut because airbags and safe bags.
Speaker 1: But thanks to digital technology, we get to watch Bullseye go.
Speaker 2: Okay, so, like, how does he survive that?
Speaker 1: Well, they did that experimental surgery on him. They after
Speaker 1: Kingpin broke his back.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, Okay, well there you go. His performance
Speaker 2: is different than Colin Farrell for certain, but I do
Speaker 2: like it. It's very subdued. He is clearly a maniac
Speaker 2: and both eyes a maniac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they need more of those in the MCU.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm tired of noble villainy, Like enough, can they
Speaker 2: just be fucking evil?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get say it. You can still be interesting
Speaker 1: and want to do nothing but destroy. You can give
Speaker 1: me a clever not a clever, but a a heartfelt
Speaker 1: backstory for that villain. And yet there's still a villain.
Speaker 1: There's shit.
Speaker 2: The best villain. I still think the best villain they've
Speaker 2: had is the Red Skull. He was like, he was
Speaker 2: very criminally underused, and I know he didn't want to
Speaker 2: come back, but he was evil. The performance was fucking great.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they didn't just glue dots to
Speaker 2: his face and make him a CG Skulf even like
Speaker 2: wearing that makeup.
Speaker 1: I understanding that he would have come back, they just
Speaker 1: didn't renew him. They just didn't use him again. And
Speaker 1: by the time they got to the Final thing, it
Speaker 1: was just easier to use Ross Marquan because they were
Speaker 1: only going to have a limited interaction with the Red
Speaker 1: Skull anyway, So it just didn't make any sense. But
Speaker 1: the greatest missed opportunity is that we never got the
Speaker 1: Red Skull as he should have been portrayed in as
Speaker 1: far as the Further Adventures of Captain America, because we
Speaker 1: got Forty's Red Skull and he was fucking perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, why couldn't we have gotten a Bred
Speaker 2: Skull and the Masters of Evil. That's I always felt
Speaker 2: like they really dropped the ball by going hard on
Speaker 2: his multiverse shit. Okay, we're gonna get the sequel World's
Speaker 2: Final Secret Wars finally in Battle World and the Last stuff,
Speaker 2: but we could have gotten there anyways. But they could
Speaker 2: have gone from after the Infinity stuff. The Masters of
Speaker 2: Evil were just right there. Red Skull Loki and like
Speaker 2: all these bad guys that team up, Zack Snyder fucked
Speaker 2: it up too with the Dark Side shit, and did
Speaker 2: DC Nobody cares about Dark Side They just want to
Speaker 2: see the Legion to do. Nobody ever understands that's what
Speaker 2: p They want to see the superheroes versus the Army
Speaker 2: of super Villains, and we still have you. But anyways,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, Zack Snyder wouldn't have been able to have gods
Speaker 1: on Earth versus gods from space.
Speaker 2: Oh so he makes such really keep me made such
Speaker 2: cool movies. But I think he got up his own
Speaker 2: butt a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot bit.
Speaker 2: I always I like Admire three hundred and Watchmen so
Speaker 2: very much. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Zack Snyder hates superheroes there.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe that was it. You apparently hated outer space
Speaker 2: people too.
Speaker 1: He hates everything. Yeah, y'all have to watch it.
Speaker 2: That's too bad. I wish he'd make something like Codan.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he didn't.
Speaker 2: He would have been slow motion Codan.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so much dust, so much particulate matter
Speaker 1: sailing through the air.
Speaker 2: But man, I love three hundred that it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It's questionable, but then the comic was also questionable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's clearly you just have to go. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is Greek, ancient Greek propaganda but anyways, the Daredevil that
Speaker 2: first episode was just fucking great. The scene, the heat
Speaker 2: scene between Daredevil and Kingpin, between Murdoch and Fisk is
Speaker 2: really cool. And when okay, I jumped ahead, because when
Speaker 2: Fisk shows up at his wife's office in the storage
Speaker 2: unit and he just goes Vanessa and that clears out
Speaker 2: the room. He is It is Christopher Reeve as Superman.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: Of all the MCU casting, it's the one that's absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2: Maybe Tom Holland is Spider.
Speaker 1: Man, Chris Evans Captain America.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our DJ is Tony Stark, but.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a bunch but and the villain scale this
Speaker 1: is the perfect one.
Speaker 2: But no, but even but those guys are all great casting,
Speaker 2: but this is it's even more because the Kingpin is
Speaker 2: almost like you couldn't have don't. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 2: just marveled so much. I can't imagine anybody else playing
Speaker 2: that part right now. Gleason, Brendan Gleeson.
Speaker 1: Maybe he could a fine kingpin, yeah, but right around
Speaker 1: gangs in New York time, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, it's a dinofrio. There's just there's so much
Speaker 2: perfection around his Kingpin his delivery even just like remember
Speaker 2: the first episode I saw him on the show and
Speaker 2: just started quoting him immediately the mask and he sounds
Speaker 2: so cool, like I had always thought like that, that
Speaker 2: fancy Kingpin in the and the Old Spider Man Show
Speaker 2: was pretty cool. Roscoe's he was. He was on the
Speaker 2: Cosby Show. Roscoe Brown very fine. Yeah, and he leaned
Speaker 2: very much into the Sydney green Street because that's who Stanley.
Speaker 2: That's when they came up with that. So just till
Speaker 2: Sydney Green Street, that was was king kids. Sydney green
Speaker 2: Street was a character actor in the forties and fifties,
Speaker 2: best known as the Heavy There's a.
Speaker 1: Very large guy in the Maltese and was parodied as
Speaker 1: Job of the Hut.
Speaker 2: Yes, the Hut, but Vincentinofil brings that energy, but brings
Speaker 2: us certain Yeah, I'm very fancy. But I grew up
Speaker 2: in the streets and I killed my dad in my
Speaker 2: bare hands when I was twelve, and I will I'll
Speaker 2: in the comics the best Kingpin in the comics with
Speaker 2: garth Ennis Punisher series where it was really grounded. Punisher
Speaker 2: was like fifty seven years old, sixty years old. It
Speaker 2: was the Vietnam Vet and the Kingpin in that field
Speaker 2: this sunned it like he just didn't care, like he
Speaker 2: was just the most evil thing event and I think
Speaker 2: Vincent Andofrio brings that. But Prince of Anoffield makes him
Speaker 2: three dimensional and still he redeem it them. That's it.
Speaker 2: There's so much depth, like he's just an asshole. There's
Speaker 2: nothing like, oh I'm I'm wounded inside and oh I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be bringing balance, like the fucking He's just
Speaker 2: evil gangster.
Speaker 1: He wants power and he wants it all. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: city of New York specifically, it's a it's an attainable
Speaker 1: goal and it doesn't involve a light into the sky
Speaker 1: or blowing something up, although that most likely will figure
Speaker 1: in by the end of this series. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: quite certain. But Vincent Andofrio as Kingpin, Like how stoked
Speaker 1: was everyone when we heard he was even being cast
Speaker 1: in the park. Yeah, and he's been so consistently good.
Speaker 1: Did you want you Echo?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did. I love the man Echo.
Speaker 1: I loved him in in Echo and I liked that series.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: I did too. I think he got a bum wrap.
Speaker 2: I think anything that that the any negativity a guy
Speaker 2: is just because we are in this weird Earth three
Speaker 2: universe that we've where everybody's gonna have a goatee now,
Speaker 2: like Evil Spot, Like, we're just in that timeline right now,
Speaker 2: and they did not want to see a disabled indigenous
Speaker 2: gal kick so much ass, I guess, And it's a crime,
Speaker 2: because what a cool superhero. I really enjoyed the sheet
Speaker 2: out of her and the whole stuff with the Kingpin
Speaker 2: was cool, and he was running around with a white
Speaker 2: suit and he was fat and all like it was great.
Speaker 1: Yep, just doubling down on making him more and more
Speaker 1: complex as a character.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess people don't like the wokeness now,
Speaker 2: that's just that show was cool and I want to
Speaker 2: see more of her because I liked it and I'm
Speaker 2: pleased that she got such a cool performance the chance.
Speaker 1: Okay, the heat scene, I'm glad you described it as
Speaker 1: such because that it was all that was on my
Speaker 1: mind when Kingpin and Daredevil sit down at a diner together.
Speaker 1: And here's what I thought while the scene is playing out,
Speaker 1: it's better than the heat scene.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they go to that two shop more in
Speaker 2: this than they did in the heat scene.
Speaker 1: Not only are we sure that our actors are in
Speaker 1: the same scene together in this sequence, but the writing
Speaker 1: is so good. The thing about the heat scene to
Speaker 1: me always was, yeah it's de Nio, Yeah it's Paccino.
Speaker 1: And they're basically saying the most generic crime bullshit to
Speaker 1: each other. I'm gonna stop you. No, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: stop me. I'm gonna stop you. Okay, I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: you down. I'm like you, you're like me. We're like
Speaker 1: each other. Oh, what a revelation, Michael Mann for the
Speaker 1: fucking thousandth time.
Speaker 2: Well, we're complex middle aged men.
Speaker 1: Good lord. But the writing here, the repartee, the jousting,
Speaker 1: and the respect between.
Speaker 2: These two characters that hate each other so much, but
Speaker 2: the game recognizes game, and there's a certain camaraderie to
Speaker 2: their hate.
Speaker 1: It's like the first thing he says to him, it's
Speaker 1: not unpleasant seeing you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, you bring my life. And I feel like
Speaker 2: these movies never get that, Like even in Batman The
Speaker 2: Dark Knight they say it right, they don't. You don't
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: None of the Batman cinematic versions of The Joker have
Speaker 1: delivered because it's always a one story and The Joker
Speaker 1: is as important to Batman as Alfred. You can't kill him.
Speaker 1: It's once the Joker's dead, the series is over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Batman's mirror. It's a unique that balance to
Speaker 2: just it's Batman villains used to be. They're under the
Speaker 2: impression of the Batman villains is like the villain of
Speaker 2: the week, like in the old show. Oh look, here's
Speaker 2: a new villain. They come back, though, and they work
Speaker 2: better when they're integrated into Gothams. The Penguin worked started
Speaker 2: really working as a character when I was a kid
Speaker 2: in the comics, when they gave him the nightclub and
Speaker 2: they gave him a permanent place to be, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he now was this information broke and
Speaker 2: then before I knew it, he was just random ob
Speaker 2: And like, it works so much better because it's a
Speaker 2: freak that took over the crime liston the chaacrow running
Speaker 2: the drugs is cool because it's this freak that took over.
Speaker 1: The drugs and not just everything's fine in Gotham City.
Speaker 1: Oh no, the Penguin's back in town. Look out, the
Speaker 1: Riddler's on his way.
Speaker 2: No, they're always there. The Riddler is some lunatic that
Speaker 2: no one's ever gonna catch and no one knows where
Speaker 2: he is. He just lives online. Now, I liked that
Speaker 2: in the movie that he in the Batman that he
Speaker 2: was just like this internet troll. But like, these characters
Speaker 2: have to adapt, always adapt with them. And the cool
Speaker 2: thing what I liked about this Daredel thing is I
Speaker 2: like how it's adapted to I was running for mayor
Speaker 2: did they have a crystal ball? Because I'm watching this
Speaker 2: is the most topical thing I've ever fucking seen.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Remember when Lex Luthor became president?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember thinking at the time, like I
Speaker 1: love that for that character. That's where he was always
Speaker 1: going to be. Yeah, and we've only ever seen it
Speaker 1: on screen as a vision on Smallville with Rosenbaum in
Speaker 1: the white suit in the Oval office. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the animated movie Public Enemies is delightful.
Speaker 1: Does that have President Luthor?
Speaker 2: It's got Clancy Brown as president Lucy.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, okay, now I've got a walk and it's got.
Speaker 2: Tim Daily and the late great Kevin Common and Superman
Speaker 2: and Batman become America's most wanting company.
Speaker 1: Oh that I never got around to watching.
Speaker 2: Oh it's on Max to check it out. It's delightful.
Speaker 2: It is one of their better animated films. It's really fun.
Speaker 2: It's a buddy cop movie.
Speaker 1: So the whole idea of President Luthor, as much as
Speaker 1: I loved it, I was always like, really though, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's been put away a bunch of times and the
Speaker 1: public aren't ever going to elect him president anyway. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So Wilson Fisk is running for mayor Ohen wins. He wins,
Speaker 1: And we've got a new character. The new love interest here,
Speaker 1: Margarita Levivia. She okay for Adventureland fans. Lisa p is back.
Speaker 1: Lisa p is back. She was in Adventureland as the
Speaker 1: sort of dream girl that all the everyone who works
Speaker 1: in the park lost after I did too, And she
Speaker 1: was great in that because her character is kind of
Speaker 1: just a vain airhead and I totally bought that. And
Speaker 1: then she showed up. She's the lead in The Deuce.
Speaker 1: She's the female lead on the HBO Max series The
Speaker 1: Duce with James Franco.
Speaker 2: Underrated show. I really enjoyed that. That show gave us
Speaker 2: quit the.
Speaker 1: Brunson indeed, and and she was. She was the lead
Speaker 1: on that, and she's fucking great in that. Every time
Speaker 1: she shows up anywhere, I'm stoked.
Speaker 2: So that her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, she's the girl that oh the she's the
Speaker 1: one going to college at the beginning, and she ends
Speaker 1: up being the lawyer at the very end.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Wow, it's.
Speaker 2: A good show. Oh, James Franco, why do you have
Speaker 2: to be such a scupbag? That was one of your
Speaker 2: better pieces.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to do an entire show
Speaker 1: about the Deuce. Actually, that's really good. I think it's
Speaker 1: an important piece of television. It's poor people and an
Speaker 1: important piece of American history, honestly, and it's.
Speaker 2: Companion show Vinyl only lasted us here only.
Speaker 1: Lasted Yeah, because it was garbage, you see that. I
Speaker 1: enjoy Okay. I enjoyed the flights of fancy, which you
Speaker 1: could tell with Scorsese's influence, where like, hey, let's see
Speaker 1: Bo Diddley playing for a fucking two minutes. Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 2: I like Bobby Kennavoll a lot. I just can't always
Speaker 2: watch him just be and I liked his little I
Speaker 2: liked watching him. The show didn't really have a lot
Speaker 2: of direction, didn't really know where it was going. And
Speaker 2: I like Ray Romano. I really like him in that.
Speaker 2: I really loved him on that Get Shorty.
Speaker 1: Oh he was great. Yeah. The problem for me with
Speaker 1: that series is, and the problem with most of American
Speaker 1: entertainment lately, seems to be that all anyone learned from
Speaker 1: The Sopranos and Breaking Bad is that villains.
Speaker 2: Are cool and yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please go ahead, but that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I shared this to my story today and on Instagram,
Speaker 2: a clip of Vince Gilligan saying that, Hey, I'm in
Speaker 2: a room full of writers and something in a writing
Speaker 2: award thing. I'm like, probably wga thing. He's maybe we
Speaker 2: should I don't know, in light of the way the
Speaker 2: world is, maybe write some good guys. Maybe let's lay
Speaker 2: off writing the ul villains, because now we've made these
Speaker 2: guys aspirational exactly.
Speaker 1: We've humanized the horrible people, but we're not We're not
Speaker 1: lionizing any of the decent people. And by the way,
Speaker 1: decent people can be just as complex, and can have
Speaker 1: just as dark thoughts and be led down paths that
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily want to be and still be good
Speaker 1: in the end.
Speaker 2: I think that gives makes Daredevil. This is a fine
Speaker 2: example of being able to do that because Daredevil is
Speaker 2: about you know how every superhero superhero universe is there.
Speaker 2: Certain characters are uncorruptible, they're moral centered. Captain America is
Speaker 2: uncorrel Batman is uncorruptible. Daredevil isn't. Daredevil is the most
Speaker 2: realistically uncorruptible character because he's corruptible, Like he he crosses line,
Speaker 2: he fucks up, he's really slutting, he does all of these,
Speaker 2: he's striking, he does things that Batman. You can't get
Speaker 2: away with Batman. Like Batman, you can't like have him
Speaker 2: kill a guy and like remorse me just can't kill
Speaker 2: a guy. Daredeville can accidentally kill a guy, or could
Speaker 2: kill a guy and remorse about it and learn from
Speaker 2: him and ultimately realized, no, I'm better than this.
Speaker 1: And Muscu but you know what I mean, Like he's
Speaker 1: very catholic as self flagellate.
Speaker 2: He was sol fratulated. But there's always redemption for me,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, like he's uncorruptible in
Speaker 2: a realistic way, and the fact that he finds redemption
Speaker 2: when he screws up I always found them in the
Speaker 2: coup and on the show he does that. He screws
Speaker 2: up all the time, and he's always beating himself up
Speaker 2: about it, but always I gotta do better. I gotta
Speaker 2: do better. Now he's fucked up beyond compare the fuck
Speaker 2: he's dead. What does he do now? Well, Kingpin's back
Speaker 2: in town. He's the fucking mayor. You're gonna have to
Speaker 2: do something.
Speaker 1: And boy doesn't he The plot so far this year,
Speaker 1: the writing is fucking sparkling. Yeah, into that second episode
Speaker 1: where the investigation is continuing. The fucking final scene in
Speaker 1: episode two, the fucking fight with the two corrupt cops
Speaker 1: is just about fucking perfect, man like, I could not
Speaker 1: ask for anything better than It is brutal and awful
Speaker 1: and wonderful and did what an action scene hasn't done
Speaker 1: for me in a while. Got my heart pumping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted him to fuck those guys up.
Speaker 2: What's great about the action on all the Daredevil shows
Speaker 2: is how claustrophobic it is. There are any closed spaces,
Speaker 2: like you were so used to superheroes fighting out in
Speaker 2: the open, like Good Lord the Civil War, big superhero
Speaker 2: fight ever up to that point was it an airport.
Speaker 2: The fight endgame is on the lawn of the Avengers
Speaker 2: manch and it's okay. This is he fights in a
Speaker 2: hallways and stuff, and even a lot of the Batman
Speaker 2: fights are on rooftops and shit, but can find spaces
Speaker 2: and he's bashing dudes in the walls. And I loved
Speaker 2: the scene because he's just the guy's gonna shoot him
Speaker 2: and don't do it, don't do it. Yeah, did he
Speaker 2: kill those guys?
Speaker 1: Yeah, those guys are dead. Those guys are dead, and
Speaker 1: rightfully so. I mean, I don't know. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for the rest of this series.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm setting myself up for a fall.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm so hopeful that Marvel
Speaker 1: has learned its lessons with Phase four. We're not just
Speaker 1: going to fucking line up anymore.
Speaker 2: Here's my take on it. Like again, DC guy, very
Speaker 2: excited for the DC stuff ahead, and I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of the mistakes that Marvel's is done or
Speaker 2: whatever is going to be, they'll probably rectify. I know,
Speaker 2: I'm excited with the fact that he's look just like
Speaker 2: comic books have different creative teams, the movies can have
Speaker 2: different creative teams, like, it looks like a different guy
Speaker 2: is drawing a Batman comic than the guy drawing the
Speaker 2: Justice League. So I'm excited for that. I feel that
Speaker 2: Marvel has always been one thing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: It's just been this one thing all the way through
Speaker 2: and when they got and they expected us to show
Speaker 2: up for it, but I think they always hinged on
Speaker 2: what was gonna happen next, What was gonna happen next?
Speaker 1: What was They got way too up their ass about
Speaker 1: the interconnectedness of their universe. Yeah, it's everything felt like
Speaker 1: shoe leather to get us to something else.
Speaker 2: It started feeling like homework.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 1: White Tiger, who is a fucking like obscure character sevandies Man.
Speaker 1: He was in one of the Kung Fu comics. He
Speaker 1: shows up in episode two of this New Daredevil, and honestly,
Speaker 1: Tony for five or ten minutes, I was racking my brain.
Speaker 1: Where did he show up earlier? What did I miss?
Speaker 1: Because that's how the mcu U is now. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I love that it is that. I love
Speaker 1: that it's that confusing. It's just that each piece of
Speaker 1: entertainment shouldn't be geared just to confuse us further or
Speaker 1: just to further cement mythology.
Speaker 2: Well that's by the time I got to Black Widow
Speaker 2: and the Humans, it's just got it, don't lose track,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like not enjoying these as films. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I gotta watch even Shang Chi, which
Speaker 2: was a breadth of fresh air a little but still
Speaker 2: fell a little bit. Okay, Yeah, because okay, this guy
Speaker 2: the ten Rings, How did this connect to the terrorists?
Speaker 2: And Iron Man and low Boy. I don't know. They
Speaker 2: also haven't been maybe and they've been looser too, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe that's why they haven't been suxcited. I
Speaker 2: can't bememve. Well.
Speaker 1: In the cases of say ant Man and Thor, I
Speaker 1: think they started trusting those filmmakers and just went go
Speaker 1: do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is because Thor Love and Thunder Terrible title
Speaker 2: has some cool ideas.
Speaker 1: In it, some great ideas, isn't it, And then it's
Speaker 1: just but there's so.
Speaker 2: Much cocaine going through that movie. I feel like taking
Speaker 2: with Ted was having like three ways with Tessa Thompson
Speaker 2: and Rita order wherever his wife is and doing rails
Speaker 2: of blow off their butts while he was writing the script,
Speaker 2: and God bless him because I I got Jojoh, But wow,
Speaker 2: this was out of control of that movie.
Speaker 1: It was all tired jokes, like it was all these
Speaker 1: visual gags.
Speaker 2: And then I say the coke game because there was
Speaker 2: so much going on. There were so many ideas in
Speaker 2: the meat and so many different tones. You've got Christian Bale.
Speaker 1: For God's sakes, as the god Killer, speaking of like
Speaker 1: the complex Marvel villains. That guy, that character in that
Speaker 1: light comedy deserved his own better movie.
Speaker 2: And you give me Thor and Hercules in this kind
Speaker 2: of half assed kind.
Speaker 1: Of way, and they get Brett Goldstein as fucking Hercules,
Speaker 1: and you give us him in a fucking cut scene
Speaker 1: at the end. Cutscene, a post scene, yeah, cut scene. Really,
Speaker 1: I've been playing a lot of video games, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of video games. But is he wearing was he wearing
Speaker 2: like a muscle suit? Or is he just? Is he was?
Speaker 1: He He's a big dude, right, He's yeah, particularly at
Speaker 1: that time because that was in the midst of the
Speaker 1: ted Lasso series, so you got to figure he was
Speaker 1: in top form.
Speaker 2: Is a weird casting a Hercules? I want to see
Speaker 2: more of it though, Like Hercules Marvel, Hercules is a
Speaker 2: delightful fucking character. He's this, he's just obnoxiously party boy like,
Speaker 2: bisexual mess of a guy.
Speaker 1: Marvel needs to figure out that we've seen all this
Speaker 1: shit happen on Earth already. And could you give us
Speaker 1: more cosmic? Could you give us more horror? Can I
Speaker 1: say that again? Could you give us some horror beyond
Speaker 1: Werewolf by Night? Something actually scary. That'd be fucking fantastic.
Speaker 2: The hour long Werewolf by Night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how about since you fucking opened the door,
Speaker 1: let's get into the gods and the goddesses.
Speaker 2: Now I liked were Wolf too, I did too. I
Speaker 2: liked the I don't know why they released it in color,
Speaker 2: that which is oh, I hated that. I liked the
Speaker 2: black and white. It was cool.
Speaker 1: I feel exactly the opposite. I didn't like it when
Speaker 1: I watched it the first time, and then when they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, special thing, watch it in color, was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get it. Now it's fucking shocked. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: lit beautifully, the colors are fantastic, and like, I get
Speaker 1: what they pinned. Yeah, they Marvel panicked and were just
Speaker 1: like do something, make it black and white. Well, it's
Speaker 1: like a throwback to the old universal horror. Yeah, quake,
Speaker 1: do something anything. And I was just like, it's just
Speaker 1: a trifle. It's just supposed to be like a Halloweat special.
Speaker 1: Because I liked it a lot of it, Like, I
Speaker 1: liked the tone of it, and I thought he did
Speaker 1: a good job direct I liked.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: The script was the failure there. It just wasn't It
Speaker 1: just didn't add up, you know what I mean? Because
Speaker 1: we threw we meet all of our characters in the
Speaker 1: middle of everything. We didn't get to know anybody.
Speaker 2: Did you like Agatha?
Speaker 1: I did a great deal.
Speaker 2: I was. Can I see how surprised how much I
Speaker 2: liked I was.
Speaker 1: I had written it off from the moment they announced.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing wrong with Agatha was that
Speaker 2: there was they could have used more Patty.
Speaker 1: Well everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love Audrey pleasant ye, Aubrey Aubrey. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was right. I adore her. She's like a cat,
Speaker 2: and she has a cat's personality that's kind of really dry,
Speaker 2: really sarcastic. And when she showed up as death, it
Speaker 2: was so cool. And I liked that they did the
Speaker 2: makeup different than the comics because death in the comics
Speaker 2: is like two it looks like two face the skull,
Speaker 2: and this one they did the mouth with skeleton her eyes.
Speaker 2: But it worked better because you still get those you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, She's got those beautiful and like
Speaker 2: to rob any of it of us.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It really worked. I thought it was cool. I was
Speaker 2: impressed at how gay it was, like, it was super gay.
Speaker 2: Curse were Marvel and Disney for actually bucking the trend
Speaker 2: and being all right with that. I said, it really worked,
Speaker 2: and haunts really can lead something. And it's the same
Speaker 2: she doesn't get to lead more.
Speaker 1: Shit, speaking of sort of the complexity. When they get
Speaker 1: it right, they get it right. The last episode of
Speaker 1: Agatha Along takes place. It takes place after the series
Speaker 1: and all it is a flashback showing how fucking horrible
Speaker 1: Agatha Harkness was. Oh that was amazing. What a way
Speaker 1: to wrap up. By the way, just so you know
Speaker 1: the person you were following and cheering along is a
Speaker 1: fucking horrible human.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really neat kind of seventies ending
Speaker 2: to it. Almost I enjoyed that. So I take it
Speaker 2: she's not gonna be Franklin Richard's babysitter.
Speaker 1: Though why not if if a different timeline were starting
Speaker 1: in than she should be there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I'm excited for that. Fantastic for I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed that trailer. I always wanted to set it in
Speaker 2: the sixties somehow, totally.
Speaker 1: That's every fan has been yelling that for years. Thank
Speaker 1: god they finally did it.
Speaker 2: I remember when Chris Columbus was attached to it. You
Speaker 2: wanted to do it like that or something. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: like his take was a hard day's Night with a
Speaker 2: fantastic four. And I always really liked that. The cast
Speaker 2: is great. That thing looks amazing.
Speaker 1: That thing looks amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: That looks like Jack Cooper drew it. I can't believe
Speaker 2: how good he looks. Man, He's even got that fucking
Speaker 2: eye those eyebrow sticking out. Yeah, okay, Ree Richards has
Speaker 2: a mustache. But I'll be fine with that because I
Speaker 2: know what his name is. Gonna play him like autistic
Speaker 2: and like kind of weird and but on the surface
Speaker 2: masking really well like his I know Pedro is such
Speaker 2: a good actor that there's gonna be like four levels
Speaker 2: going on with Red Richards. I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Were you a fan of The Venture Brothers, Oh god,
Speaker 1: their take on Mister Fantastic with Stephen Colbert.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they could have cast Steven Colbert is
Speaker 2: mister Fantastic and I would have been just fine. I
Speaker 2: love the Venture Brothers. Fucking doc have her, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: what's it? And and Jackson Public that show. We could
Speaker 2: just do a podcast on that whole show. That show
Speaker 2: was the Freddie Mercury as mister Fahrenheit, the Supersonic Man.
Speaker 1: Oh in secret agent David Bowie.
Speaker 2: Oh my, David Bowie is like the leader of the
Speaker 2: what the Villain's Council whatever it was, the Guild of
Speaker 2: Colaboralous Intent. And I liked on that show how they
Speaker 2: do the storytelling off camera, like they would just jump
Speaker 2: you shit's happening in this episode you got a piece
Speaker 2: it together, And that was really clever filmmaking. Because they
Speaker 2: had a limited budget, they had a limited amount of time.
Speaker 2: They do what they do, so they just audience work. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The scripture fucking phenomenal. Everyone got obsessed with the sort
Speaker 1: of blender of pop culture, like everything became reference to
Speaker 1: this in reference to that, and here was something looking
Speaker 1: so far back and yet pulling everything of the past
Speaker 1: seventy years of pop culture and all beardo shit that
Speaker 1: we've all been obsessed with and doing it correctly. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I stand in awe of The Venture Brothers
Speaker 1: as a series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every episode of that is just a little gems like,
Speaker 2: there's so much. There's so much you can pack in there,
Speaker 2: Like the g I Joe stuff is great. The fact
Speaker 2: that the Brock Sampson's boss is Raul Duke. But it's
Speaker 2: it's not over. You're referencing Hunter s. Thompson, it's also
Speaker 2: referencing Dunesbury at the same time. It's that's a really
Speaker 2: clever rcke. It's really it makes the audience really actively
Speaker 2: participate in it. I feel a lot of what Rick
Speaker 2: and Morty is doing now is coming from what they
Speaker 2: were doing on a.
Speaker 1: Definitely they didn't do it.
Speaker 2: They did Their Spider Man parody was hilarious with the
Speaker 2: shooting the website Oh Yes, Yeah, which brings us back
Speaker 2: to Daredevil where the Kingpin is giving his mayor speech
Speaker 2: and he says, we don't have to deal with guys
Speaker 2: the skulls on their chest or dudes and spider costumes.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, Sony will let you say Spider Man,
Speaker 2: but who are the vigilant? So you got that white
Speaker 2: tiger guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he's going to be our main case for this, right.
Speaker 2: The punishers obviously running around Still he should be Spider
Speaker 2: Man is in town. He's not gonna be on the show,
Speaker 2: but he's definitely living in the city.
Speaker 1: Luke Cage is still out there, Jessica Cage out there.
Speaker 2: I would like to see Luke Cage return. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: the Luke Cage show a.
Speaker 1: Lot, me too, man.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen more of it
Speaker 2: because it ended on a cliffhanger. That's right, it just
Speaker 2: ended with him in charge of the of Harlem as
Speaker 2: the mob bos. I want to see that Luke Cage
Speaker 2: fly to la Veria and get his two hundred dollars
Speaker 2: from Robert Dunney. So do you think Robert down and Jr.
Speaker 2: Were going to see that face or it's just going
Speaker 2: to be that mask.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the mask. He's really into it, so
Speaker 1: I hope so, I hope he does a good job
Speaker 1: because doctor Doom is the fucking He's the missing link
Speaker 1: in the mcu as far as I'm concerned, and I
Speaker 1: hope he's.
Speaker 2: Just not a one off. I hope that he's a
Speaker 2: presence because I mean, yeah, yeah, Like, how much work
Speaker 2: is it for Robert Donna Junior to show up and
Speaker 2: hang on on set for the day.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a lateral move. This was supposed to
Speaker 1: be what's his name, Kang the Conqueror. They had been
Speaker 1: laying the groundwork for Kang pretty fucking hardcore all through
Speaker 1: Phase four and then had to immediately wrap it up
Speaker 1: in Quantumniaia is terrible to was a Quantumania. They wrapped
Speaker 1: up No, they wrapped it up in Loki, and I
Speaker 1: thought Loki was I like the end of Loki.
Speaker 2: I like the end of Loki. Yeah, but I just
Speaker 2: thought I hate Loki and I hate Logan. I love
Speaker 2: the actor, I love the performance, but I hate the
Speaker 2: storm shadowing of him. I hate like when they take
Speaker 2: a bad guy that's so popular they got to make
Speaker 2: him a hero now. But I really like him as
Speaker 2: a villain. Fucking we didn't have him as a villain longer.
Speaker 2: And I know people love the arc thing with him,
Speaker 2: and a certain population of girls love him, and Okay,
Speaker 2: but ah, I wanted more.
Speaker 1: That's true. Can't flip our villains that quickly, and or
Speaker 1: I just flipped them back because they do that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah they do. I did the what they did. Like
Speaker 2: in the first season of Loki was I liked Richard E.
Speaker 1: Grant Oh fantastic as real Loki.
Speaker 2: I just love that guy's delivery so much. It's so dry.
Speaker 2: So let's talk real quick. Let's talk about Daredevil himself
Speaker 2: and how good he is.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Charlie Cox is Daredevil.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. When we were starting the show, it
Speaker 1: was like every time we brought up something, I was like,
Speaker 1: we got to start talking about Charlie Cox though. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're wrapping up with Charlie Cox.
Speaker 2: Like like him and Dinofriol have such great chemistry. They
Speaker 2: and you can tell they really like working to each
Speaker 2: other and they really know how to play. Charlie Cox
Speaker 2: does a lot of good things otis. He plays the
Speaker 2: blind guy really.
Speaker 1: Really, everyone is so preoccupied with staring off in everywhere
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be where they're not supposed to
Speaker 1: be looking basically, and that's just not how blind people are.
Speaker 1: It's a natural performance for once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very natural. He's not overdoing it. He is
Speaker 2: really tortured, and you see it on his face, you
Speaker 2: see it, you hear it in his voice. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: it's a really good performance.
Speaker 1: Man, And just the way his postures, you can tell
Speaker 1: what that guy's all about at that moment.
Speaker 2: And you see it at the end of that last
Speaker 2: episode where he becomes Daredevil even without the suit. He
Speaker 2: becomes Daredevil in that moment.
Speaker 1: If if you're a fan of mister Coxon have not
Speaker 1: yet watched Boardwalk Empire, also on HBO, you should probably
Speaker 1: go do that because he's in that first season and
Speaker 1: he's fucking great.
Speaker 2: And he's also stars in Stardust.
Speaker 1: I've never seen Stardust.
Speaker 2: It's cute, it's delight. He's very charming. Yeah, amon Is,
Speaker 2: oh boy, huh oh wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did not see that in the cards.
Speaker 2: And like I keep trying to like buy my friends, like,
Speaker 2: so what did he do? Real bad shit, really bad stuff?
Speaker 2: Was like was I'm like, well, he had this groupie
Speaker 2: thing and he's all, that's not so bad. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he held her against their will and I'm like, read
Speaker 2: the article.
Speaker 1: The fucking absolute insanity of it is you can't tell
Speaker 1: me that there weren't groupies just willing to do whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why do you have to find the one who doesn't
Speaker 1: and prey upon that, you fucking dickhead. You had everything
Speaker 1: like he had legions of fans all praising him as
Speaker 1: a fucking god. I remember at a fucking in comic Con.
Speaker 1: It the first comicon I went to was in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three, and it was an insane party atmosphere and
Speaker 1: the biggest ticket was Neil Gaiman was going to be
Speaker 1: doing a reading from one of his books, like this
Speaker 1: after Hours kind of thing, and every fucking girl at
Speaker 1: comic Con was trying to get there, and that in
Speaker 1: my mind, Like, so I think about that when I
Speaker 1: think about, like all of these people who wanted to
Speaker 1: throw themselves at him, and that wasn't good enough.
Speaker 2: Fucking I remember the certain brand of girl that I
Speaker 2: was in love with, and when I was in high
Speaker 2: school and in early college nineteen years I can only
Speaker 2: commune I was a comic book nerd, but I could
Speaker 2: tell I could talk Sandman with her. That that that
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It was the one comic
Speaker 2: book every girl knew that I liked, every arty kind
Speaker 2: of girl that I liked back then, my high school,
Speaker 2: my college girlfriend or whatever. Looks sure, I know Sandman. Oh,
Speaker 2: let me draw you as death. Oh my goodness, that's
Speaker 2: what That was part of my very limited game back then.
Speaker 2: Those Sandman comics meant the world to be Man me too.
Speaker 1: They were formative, Yes, like I was.
Speaker 2: I remember that Midsummer Night's Dream issue when I was
Speaker 2: performing in like the One Act and the Pyramids and
Speaker 2: Disbee thing is a one act and just connecting to
Speaker 2: Shakespeare and comic book, the stage and storytelling.
Speaker 1: In the depth of mythology throughout the world, and how
Speaker 1: it's relevant for all of us, and how ill informed
Speaker 1: we are about all of the cultures that that that
Speaker 1: dot the globe.
Speaker 2: And now he's you find out he's just as shitty
Speaker 2: as zeuss Er any of these other gods. He's rou
Speaker 2: just what a heartbreaker. Thanks, Thanks for shitting on my adolescence, buddy.
Speaker 1: Fuck you, Neil Gaman, Yeah, fuck you beal Man.
Speaker 2: Fuck you know how Yeah, I have terrible ady HD
Speaker 2: and but I can get through his novels. Motherfucker. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna say, Oh, Terry Pratchett wrote good of it.
Speaker 1: There you go. Looking forward to that next season of
Speaker 1: fucking sand Man, Oh My Devils, season four, Born Again.
Speaker 1: It's fucking fantastic, you know what.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the Punisher to show up again.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for Bullseye to get out of jail
Speaker 2: and see if he comes on with some kind of
Speaker 2: costume that looks something like he wore the books. I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to that showing down. I'm praying we get
Speaker 2: some kind of Electra.
Speaker 1: Did she die again at the end of the building,
Speaker 1: crushed everybody, or rather her and Daredevil, but then he
Speaker 1: somehow mysteriously escaped. But I don't think they found her
Speaker 1: body or anything. So electors of the type to always
Speaker 1: come back. Just whether or not she will she, I'm
Speaker 1: guessing season two of this current iteration of the series,
Speaker 1: she's probably gonna come back.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's up for Karen Page. I feel
Speaker 2: like she is just a disaster waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't they just those two get along for a
Speaker 1: little while. Can't they grieve together? That's Matt Murdock's ultimate
Speaker 1: problem is he has to grieve.
Speaker 2: Alone, and he grieves by beating up people.
Speaker 1: We've got your number, I mean, go to church, dude,
Speaker 1: you're catholic. Yeah, go confess or pray or something.
Speaker 2: You just be like I cross the line. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but you know, Bullseye deserved it. The guy's a crooked
Speaker 2: cops that guy, that one crooked cop. He's a crooked
Speaker 2: cop on Mayor of Kingstone.
Speaker 1: He's got a type a type.
Speaker 2: I'm super excited for the rest of the season. I'm
Speaker 2: glad we got a chance to talk about it because
Speaker 2: I was jazzed watching these episodes. I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, that first episode, that fight with Daredevil and
Speaker 2: Bullseye was so gangster.
Speaker 1: So it's just many knives stuck into yeah, horrible. It's
Speaker 1: a fucking pin cushion by the end.
Speaker 2: But just really it gives you that costume Vigilantis like,
Speaker 2: it really lets you know, this is what it's like
Speaker 2: to be a superhero when you're not Iron Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the rest of us, this is what it
Speaker 1: looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a lawyer, broke lawyer in New York.
Speaker 1: Come on, he will snap your arm into lovingly. That
Speaker 1: was brutal, man, it was brutal. Daredevil Born again. Everybody
Speaker 1: go watch it. We I don't think we can endorse
Speaker 1: it or recommend it rather anymore than possible. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that they fucking continue.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, so do I Man. Daredevil is just really cool, man,
Speaker 2: I like, I loved those comics. I loved I read
Speaker 2: them that John Romita was drawing it when I was
Speaker 2: reading it, and I remember we're going back and reading
Speaker 2: the Frank Miiller ones, and remember excited when the Kevin
Speaker 2: Smith and Joksato ones came out.
Speaker 1: The art was amazing, art was really good.
Speaker 2: I agree, And this show really just just captures that comic.
Speaker 2: It captures it. It's one of the better superhero adaptations
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Give it.
Speaker 2: If you get a chance, go watch them.
Speaker 1: If people are trying to find you on the line, Antonio,
Speaker 1: where can they do?
Speaker 3: So you know what?
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Speaker 1: one about the Deuce. Until next time. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: you with a bit from one of the Daredevil movies.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a funny line, maybe it's a poignant line.
Speaker 1: You'll just have to listen right now.
Speaker 5: You can build the prison of stone and steal, but
Speaker 5: you merely present the prisoner with a challenge, and he
Speaker 5: truly determined man find a way out.
Speaker 2: Love is the perfect prison, inescapable, so you see, Agent Nadine,
Speaker 2: I am always in prison wherever I go, and if
Speaker 2: these things help me protect Vanessa, then they are nothing
Speaker 2: to me.
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