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<v Speaker 1>Will you wait, miss Welcome back to Midnight Viewing Anthologies Attack,

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<v Speaker 1>where we look at anthologies of every variety and stripe,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes that they're not even anthologies at all. We

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<v Speaker 1>just decide we're gonna do something, we fucking do it

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<v Speaker 1>and doing it with me. I'm Father Malone. Everybody with

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<v Speaker 1>me doing it? Mac from his time in Hell's Kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Antonio Lapour, How are you, Antonio.

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<v Speaker 2>Father Malone? How are you? How very fitting as we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the world's most Catholic superhero here with the Padre.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you and I are both Catholic boys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Catholic school and everything. I was an altar boy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually one of my attachments to Daredevil growing up

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<v Speaker 2>was that he was Kathleen. That kind of resonates. There's folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta understand. There's a certain thing to being raised

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<v Speaker 2>in a pre guilt thing is so there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like Frank Miller might be Catholic too, because like

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<v Speaker 2>his run of comics really embraces that, and Daredevil's guilt

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<v Speaker 2>is so heavy in those issues. Dude, I'm Daredevil was

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<v Speaker 2>my jam and I love spide I'm a DC guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Batman all the way. But in Marvel my favorite character

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<v Speaker 2>was always Daredevil. Spidey number two then probably the Act,

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<v Speaker 2>but I read a lot of Daredevil at fourteen, especially,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd go back and read the old Frank Miller won

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<v Speaker 2>with the Punisher and stuff. Still the best Punisher is

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<v Speaker 2>that old Frank Miller one, because it's the only time

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<v Speaker 2>that Frank the Punisher was really just a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 1>My experience with Daredevil is almost exclusively limited to the

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Miller run. Yeah in the early eighties and then

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<v Speaker 1>Electro Assassin. All Right, I was a Frank Miller guy

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<v Speaker 1>in the early eighties, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was one in the mid eighties. I was a little

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<v Speaker 2>boy and I stumbled across the Dark Knight Returns in

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<v Speaker 2>the bookstore, and my mom's teen dollars were a Batman

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<v Speaker 2>comic book and had no idea what was in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mind melted and everything Frank Miller did I

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<v Speaker 2>was addicted to. If it had a little FM in

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<v Speaker 2>the corner, I was there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to mention a striking image from my

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<v Speaker 1>Elector Assassin that has haunted me since childhood, where Electra

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<v Speaker 1>has overwhelmed one of these goons lieutenant and she's got

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<v Speaker 1>him like trusted up and he's naked and she's like

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<v Speaker 1>riding him. Basically that fucked me up as a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and that's the billson Kevitch stuff. Right, Oh yeah, Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>let's before we dive into because I because if the

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<v Speaker 2>minute we get to anything electrom we're start talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Billson Kevitch and how much I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's talk Daredevil first. Where do you come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Daredevil came from Marvel Comics in the early sixties by

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<v Speaker 2>stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Wood. Right. Was it Wallywood? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, not Wallywood? Was Bill Everett?

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Effett? Thank you? Why did I?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know? Do you know about the original Daredevil?

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<v Speaker 2>That is that the old Yeah, he's like the red

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<v Speaker 2>costume with like blue highlights and it's like his whole

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<v Speaker 2>face is red and he was like a stuntman or something.

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<v Speaker 1>He throws a boomerang, and he's mute because he went

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<v Speaker 1>mute when his father was killed in front of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was branded with the with a symbol

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<v Speaker 1>that looks like a boomerang. Okay, he's from nineteen forty one.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't last very long and was slightly apparently an

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration for the Daredevil that we know in love but.

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<v Speaker 2>Our Daredevel went with Jack Kirby designed that original suit

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<v Speaker 2>and then Everett drew the comic and the original suit

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look anything like that. The original suit was yellow

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<v Speaker 2>and it with that brown thing in the middle, and

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<v Speaker 2>it looked actually really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good on Chee Hulk oh Man, didn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Like, surprisingly, the only thing wrong with the Daredevil

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<v Speaker 2>costume is they don't have the d's on him.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. Now you're the second Daredevil fan I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to who has made that particular comment. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what rewatching the series and the original movie was

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<v Speaker 1>is that's what we're all gonna be talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>The lack of the d d Now I'm zero in on,

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<v Speaker 1>not because I miss it, but because I figure that

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<v Speaker 1>they're letting fans down in a big way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I miss it. I'm a fan who's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>let well, it was fine up until the guy made

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<v Speaker 2>the suit. For once the guy who can see makes

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<v Speaker 2>the suit, then I feel like that guy would have

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind him not getting it the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>because the suit came before the Moniker maybe like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't his wife by the end there, Okay, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's now had six iterations of the goddamn suit.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, someone's gonna put dd on it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's air devil.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated it the way it was on Affleck's suit,

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<v Speaker 2>like in the corner, like it was a Star Trek uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an IOD shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, like, just embrace it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on it fully on the middle of the chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Took forever to get Punisher to get the fucking skull

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<v Speaker 1>on him in a proper way, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Still don't think they have it on it right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think his current skull isn't just like way

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<v Speaker 2>too big.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I would like if they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>ever revisit him past his involvement currently on Born Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to see the pirate boots, white, the skin

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<v Speaker 1>tight suit with the fucking skull on it if they do. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling Marvel right now, if they're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>a Battle World right and oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He should show up on that trust in that costume,

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<v Speaker 2>well fucking he.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to see Frank Castle in the original costume

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<v Speaker 1>if we're going to do variants and we're gonna do timelines,

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<v Speaker 2>There's a way to do that. There's a way. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily have to be spandexy or anything, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to do Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? Even the current look he's built, mister Barenthal.

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<v Speaker 1>Just put on the skin tightest shirt with a proper

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<v Speaker 1>looking skull on it that somebody made from some skin

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<v Speaker 1>tight pants, and look, throw me a bone and give

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<v Speaker 1>him some white boots. They're the only thing available. They're

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<v Speaker 1>like he's in a snowy environment or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that Mike Zech comic that's the best Punisher comic?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that Punisher mini series? Oh man, that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to adapt into a movie, like where it

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<v Speaker 2>like starts with him in jail or it ends with

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<v Speaker 2>him in jail. I just love the fact the Punisher

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<v Speaker 2>just ends up in jail and he's with all these

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<v Speaker 2>fucking criminals. And he was in jail before Rorshack was

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<v Speaker 2>in jail too, wasn't he. Yeah, it's because the sequence

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<v Speaker 2>and Watchman is pretty much a similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Very similar. Oh my god, Yeah, No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, although I remember they tried to pass off that

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<v Speaker 2>you could take a coke bottle and take the end

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<v Speaker 2>off of it and put it on a gun. It

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<v Speaker 2>could be a suppressor that I remember that from that comic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember he killed guys in the shower like

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<v Speaker 2>it was like a naked like. He did that. He

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<v Speaker 2>did that before Vigo did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh did. Yeah, everyone hates the Punisher in the Marvel universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we just point that out? No superheroes trust him

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<v Speaker 1>at all. During Civil War, I remember like when the

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<v Speaker 1>teams were finally all chosen and he walks in a nope,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like that's the way he should

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<v Speaker 2>always be treated, even by the fan base to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved Punisher from the eighties when I was a

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<v Speaker 2>little boy, and and then to the nineties during that

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<v Speaker 2>Punisher Heyday. I loved those books. But I said, an adult,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a horrifying character, and you've got to treat it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to treat it like that. Like I always

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<v Speaker 2>feel like if I was gonna make a Punisher movie,

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<v Speaker 2>I treat it like a seventies movie. Whereas it's morally ambiguous,

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<v Speaker 2>he's clearly not a good fellow, and you shouldn't try

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<v Speaker 2>to make him heroic in any kind of way. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just the only kind of heroism he's just ad evehm

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<v Speaker 2>to do is like rescue a little kid. That's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where he the redeeming he's got. He's gotta rescue

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<v Speaker 2>a child or something. But otherwise he's a monster, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the whole point of the character. He's a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think they do a pretty good job with

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<v Speaker 1>the John Burnhal thing. I mean, he's way more heroic here,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe that's because John Burnhal's playing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they when they added the crooked, crooked soldier,

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<v Speaker 2>the crooked Special Forces guys, I think that made him then.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh no, look he's and just like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Just killing criminals indiscriminately works. But the performance is great.

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<v Speaker 2>He like he's perfect. There's the Puniship, But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think any of the Putniship performances have actually been bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every guy who's played him has been pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>even Dolph Longer, and I will go to the ends

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<v Speaker 2>of time saying that I adored that Dolph Longer move.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he looks stupid, he doesn't have the skull, but

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<v Speaker 2>that opening scene with him when the first time you

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<v Speaker 2>see him, and like the mobster's going to celebrate the

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<v Speaker 2>house and he just like murders them unceremoniously then shows

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<v Speaker 2>up on the door and that the house blows up.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, I'll give you that. I'll give you the

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<v Speaker 1>opening of that movie. That that whole movie was shot

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I did know that. I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>it's got Jerond Graviy in it though it does.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on a round. He's just waiting for the fugitive.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. He's just a ya Goza, the Jeopanese, a Buffia.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the Italian. I don't even know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking dolphl Grin with the super black hair like like

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<v Speaker 1>absolute washing. And then the stenciled on beard.

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<v Speaker 2>That was I was gonna say that that's stenciled on beard,

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<v Speaker 2>that just make up beard is hilarious. And yeah it's terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the murder in it, like the punishing is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty damn good.

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<v Speaker 1>He does punish quite a bit, but could have worked

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<v Speaker 1>a scullet more than just the knife head.

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<v Speaker 2>The just the I feel like the punish sir, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want Tarantino to make it, but I want Tarantino

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<v Speaker 2>to like it. That's the kind of movie like, because

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<v Speaker 2>his whole thing is seventies revenge moon, I feel the

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<v Speaker 2>Punisher would work best. Is like a seven hard nosed

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<v Speaker 2>seventies revenge joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Carnahan, Oh yeah, he had pitched a trilogy for Daredevil

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<v Speaker 1>before Marvel went nuts. And there's a sizzle reel actually

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch it on YouTube where Yeah, the first

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<v Speaker 1>film was supposed to take place in the seventies, second

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, the third and the nineties, so you

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna get that flavor with that. Maybe give Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Carnahan a call Marvel. But you know what, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing such they're doing pretty good right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>think with ye why Muddy the Water?

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Karnah, He did eight Team, right, he did Eighteam

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<v Speaker 2>the most underrated, one of the most underrated movies ever. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, back it is an insane finale. People forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>The scale of that fucking finale was crazy to choreograph,

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that that movie works and plays is

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<v Speaker 2>and it just did it resonate. That's too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It is because I wanted to see John Hamm as

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<v Speaker 2>We were promised that at the end, it sucks all

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<v Speaker 1>All the agents are named Lynch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that movie was pretty Yeah, I might have to

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<v Speaker 2>rewatch it. I really enjoyed that pick. It's definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>better movie than that. Ben Affleck Daredevil.

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<v Speaker 1>you listeners. HP from Noise Junkies and I we picked

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<v Speaker 2>An Dounia, So this came out that Batman year, didn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>It did nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this was the only superhero entertainment that I

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<v Speaker 2>So I watched it literally a thousand times that summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just speak to that for a moment. Prior

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder Woman, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wonder Woman series, and that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you had Spidy Hulk and whatever that Captain America

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<v Speaker 1>All the yeah, the late seventies TV movies, all the

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<v Speaker 2>But in the late eighties they tried to resurrect Hulk,

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<v Speaker 2>but they launched it with our Return of the Incredible

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<v Speaker 2>Thor you ever saw in your life. Was still a

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<v Speaker 2>a Viking. But and that was successful enough to spawn

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<v Speaker 2>a sequel, which was this The Trial of the incredible Hulk.

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<v Speaker 2>When they introduced a black clad Daredevil to capitalize.

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<v Speaker 1>On No, I think they were attempting real world stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, how would he actually address here? And

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't afford that red suit and make it look

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<v Speaker 1>good on I gudget in that movie. That movie was

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<v Speaker 1>filmed in one month in Vancouver, zero budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty terrible and everybody's overacting in it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's got the great John Reyes Davies as a guy

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<v Speaker 1>King could be techno King Finn.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Wilson Fisk. Kind of he's chubby, well

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<v Speaker 2>but like not big, and he's got a beard and

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<v Speaker 2>hair and sunglasses, and he's English.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's crime boss. He's generic crime boss. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a scriptwriter glanced through the comics. Wilson Fisk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's pretty terrible, and Rex Smith is Daredevil is

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<v Speaker 2>overacting the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I disagree with you on that one. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>all right, what I was surprised at HB as well.

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<v Speaker 1>We were both surprised at how much we liked Direx

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<v Speaker 1>Smith's performance. Is Matt Murda.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll go back and watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>You should actually, yeah, because I had not seen it

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen eighty nine and it was dreading going back

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how much I did not like it, And that

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<v Speaker 2>I just were hearing, going, what do you want information?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Oh, but he's right, he's right in the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I remember, and I remember his mask had

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<v Speaker 2>a visor on it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's super weird. The mask is just there's a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of fabric sown on to cover the eyes, but

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<v Speaker 1>underneath it it because it rolls down it it looks

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<v Speaker 1>puffy as if there are goggles underneath there. But at

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<v Speaker 1>a certain point he just pulls it up and there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing under there. So it's just bulky and weird looking

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<v Speaker 1>on its own.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and I guess it was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a backdoor pilot for the Daredevil show.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it ends with John Rey's Davies flying away

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right, that says fisc Gun. I guess he

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<v Speaker 2>got at the same place Danels got his helicopter. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not even the first attempt at getting Daredevil up.

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<v Speaker 2>There was an attempt in the seventies. David Bowie's wife

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do a Black Widow and Daredevil TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right, the film, they took some publicity photographs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Daredevil was just like it was like a

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<v Speaker 2>hood and he had like face paper. She looked like

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<v Speaker 2>a seventies Yeah. Hopefully the Battle World gives an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to unite that Marvel power couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, listen, Marvel, I'm serious, now's your chance.

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<v Speaker 1>The Flash that movie, The Flash. Was there a subtitle

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<v Speaker 1>to that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was just the Flash? Sorry about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, basically they fucked that possibility of combining all

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<v Speaker 1>of those different Superman or Batman or all the different

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<v Speaker 2>It was so poor.

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<v Speaker 1>Please Marvel Battle World, bring them all together. Every fucking

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<v Speaker 1>iteration of a Marvel character. I would like to see here.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see Nicholas Hammond's spider Man from the

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<v Speaker 1>TV series.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's kind of annoying that he didn't pop

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<v Speaker 2>up in that movie. They had all these guys in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they could have just had to have it a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's not like he's not working. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just in Once upon a Time in Hollywood?

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<v Speaker 2>Where is he in that?

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<v Speaker 1>He's the producer Who's I want to make you like

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<v Speaker 1>Angels Biker, That's right, That is Nicholas Leyko Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I loved that show me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, They're still good. I still watch them sometimes it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, but it was Spider Man. And when you're six,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still Spider Man. How terrible it was? Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>that dude on the guy on the if you can

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<v Speaker 2>find this guy on your Instagram reels or TikTok reels

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a black.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude and and he's is he just shouting up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's this week on Spider.

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<v Speaker 2>Man and he just does this all this rift like

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<v Speaker 2>these clips from the old seventies show. And it might

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<v Speaker 2>be the funniest thing ever. He does one for Star Trek,

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<v Speaker 2>is just one of the funniest comics. Man on on

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<v Speaker 2>your social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I will try and put his insta in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the comments or what the liner notes? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>called the description?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? But like that seventies Spider Man, they could have

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<v Speaker 2>done so much with it, but I guess they did it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I always thought that suit.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck yeah, man, I want that goddamn sit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I always like the eyes and the way the

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<v Speaker 2>mask went on his face and stuff like it looked

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<v Speaker 2>cool like it was a mask. It's not like now

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<v Speaker 2>that every Spider Man when he has it like there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a helmet in there, like it's all done slide

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<v Speaker 2>of hand. The way he takes his mask off. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the seventies. That was his actual mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, Ben Affleck, Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's so anyways, try all the Incredible Hulk if you

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<v Speaker 2>get to watch it, find it on tub or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a curious. But the Daredevil from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on YouTube. It's on YouTube. Yeah, oh yeah, good copy.

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<v Speaker 2>So but Daredevil in two thousand and two so directed

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<v Speaker 2>by was that Stephen Summers.

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<v Speaker 1>That Mark, Stephen Johnson, Simon Birch, Daredevil, Ghostwriter, Win in Rome,

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<v Speaker 1>Killing Season Finding, Steve McQueen, Love Guaranteed and then Love

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff I haven't seen in some stuff that's wildly.

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<v Speaker 1>As a writer. Grumpy old Man Grumpy or old Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Bully, Simon Birch, Jack Frost.

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<v Speaker 2>He I was gonna before we dive into this is

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<v Speaker 2>the thought I had when it came out, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have this thought to this. He was a better writer

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<v Speaker 2>than he was a director. I think there is a

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<v Speaker 2>good movie in that Daredevil's.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree, it's not a good movie. It is so early

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands. It's painful.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the most two thousand and two thing that

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<v Speaker 2>you can possibly Everything about that movie just screams me

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<v Speaker 2>going to the club on the weekend and partying. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>Bullseyes costume, to the soundtrack, to bed Affleck and Jennifer Garner,

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<v Speaker 2>just everything about that movie is just the It's there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing timeless about it. It's so dated, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing timeless exactly. That was the period when everything

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<v Speaker 2>Everything that, like the Matrix dropped and everybody decided they

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<v Speaker 1>And what's funny, Even before the Matrix had come out,

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<v Speaker 1>of that television series Far Escape, the Rockney s Obannon

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<v Speaker 1>written series produced by the Henson Company. Well, yeah, fantastic television,

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<v Speaker 1>a science fiction television show with actual aliens. They because

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<v Speaker 1>it was Henson, they had a lot of their characters

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<v Speaker 1>were basically just puppets, and you totally bought them as characters.

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<v Speaker 1>The innovation there as far as wardrobe was. Everything in

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed new and cool. And then the Ax came

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<v Speaker 1>out and then it was like, okay, and now everything's leather.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when Daredevil came out, I was like, give

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<v Speaker 1>fitting and weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the script is a good adaptation of that

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Miller era. It's a very solid adaptation of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I would have directed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. When I saw Matt Murdoch clinging

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<v Speaker 1>to the cross of a church, I thought, oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in for something here. But and I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that script's pretty good. Actually, for early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what we're doing it with superhero movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a superhero introduction movie. I do think the script

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<v Speaker 1>is solid, except for everything they do with Electra, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the Electra.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff in it, it just is misguided most of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>She's so bland. And that's just from the writing to

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<v Speaker 2>the casting to the costume designer just all bland. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's too bad. Was like Sophie Marceau not available,

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<v Speaker 2>or who else was an interesting European girl in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the early two thousands, Monica Bulucci was she not available?

421
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<v Speaker 1>For God's sakes, Wow, that would have been pretty good actually, yeah, or.

422
00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Even Catherine z Ada Jones at that point was still

423
00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:20.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe thirty years old.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't, like, there were lots of choices, but

425
00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>she was hot off of that television series.

426
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I guess she was an action actioneer off

427
00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.559
<v Speaker 2>that show. But I don't. I have nothing against her,

428
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.599
<v Speaker 2>but she's so like bread and like just whitebread. And

429
00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing like Greek or Mediterranean or about her or

430
00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:43.839
<v Speaker 2>anything sexy about her.

431
00:22:43.799 --> 00:22:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Either, Like no, it's and it's Look, the fucking mating

432
00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.400
<v Speaker 1>scene of the fight in the playground, which feels like

433
00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.799
<v Speaker 1>a total reshoot, is so poor. It like it's just

434
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<v Speaker 1>baffling to watch. It isn't romantic, it's just it. This

435
00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:01.759
<v Speaker 1>isn't a meet cute. I think he thought he was

436
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:05.359
<v Speaker 1>being clever in having this. Well it's there, they're getting

437
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:06.319
<v Speaker 1>to know each other fight.

438
00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:09.200
<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is that movie shouldn't have been

439
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:11.400
<v Speaker 2>shot like the way it was shot. It was shot

440
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:16.160
<v Speaker 2>like very slick, very matrixy, like with the exception of

441
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:17.839
<v Speaker 2>one or two of those shots where they're just trying

442
00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to copy what Joe Casada was drawing. I don't know.

443
00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's too much of a Batman influence

444
00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>on it or whatever, But like that movie should have

445
00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.960
<v Speaker 2>been the opposite of a spider Man instead of sick,

446
00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:30.160
<v Speaker 2>slick and pretty. It should have just been down in

447
00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:32.960
<v Speaker 2>gritty And the show does it so much better now.

448
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.880
<v Speaker 1>That is not the mark Stephen Johnson way. Even his

449
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.319
<v Speaker 1>grit is shiny and bright.

450
00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it shouldn't have been at all. And just

451
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that music is just every time I think of that movie,

452
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.799
<v Speaker 2>all I hear is was, yeah.

453
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.759
<v Speaker 1>That's it, and it's just it's all that new metally

454
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<v Speaker 1>kind of early two thousands, what's on the radio kids.

455
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<v Speaker 2>That's that movie? Is pretty much what's wrong with that song? Right?

456
00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 2>There would be there's a timeless song and with the

457
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:06.279
<v Speaker 2>most beautiful melody and the most beautiful woman singing the

458
00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 2>most beautiful song, and then this fucking guy with a

459
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 2>trucker cap and ed hardy teacher comes in there and

460
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:17.799
<v Speaker 2>just shits on it with his rapping and his screaming,

461
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and just like douche baggery, and I feel like there's

462
00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:24.880
<v Speaker 2>a good script in Darde, but then all of this

463
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 2>douche baggery at hardy leathery shit comes in there. What

464
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Speaker 2>is fucking Bullsye wearing?

465
00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 1>It's just bulls I swearing that giant leather trench coat,

466
00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>sit lord, and it's just killing.

467
00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:42.400
<v Speaker 2>This amazing performance by Colin Farrell who just steals the

468
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 2>movie from everybody.

469
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Look like Mickey Rourke for me, Colin Farrell, I've been

470
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a fan since day one. Man, when he showed up

471
00:24:49.960 --> 00:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>in this movie, I'm so stoked. And then that his performances,

472
00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it is beyond this movie. It's so much better than

473
00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:01.400
<v Speaker 1>this movie. And oh, speaking of Battle World, y'all get

474
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:05.559
<v Speaker 1>this bulls eye in that, because I love this bulls eye.

475
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>He figured out what the movie needed to be when

476
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 1>nobody else could in that flick.

477
00:25:10.480 --> 00:25:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know he's okay, it looks like we're gonna

478
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 2>have some fun. I think that I can be naughty

479
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:17.279
<v Speaker 2>in it, and he went in there. He's just I'm

480
00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>going to try to fuck the audience with his performance,

481
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and even with that terrible makeup and like that shoe

482
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>polish go tee that he's got going on that and

483
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that reject background extra matrix costume that he's got.

484
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 1>It's awful, I will say. A friend of mine and I,

485
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 1>after seeing this movie, repeated a gesture of his to

486
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>each other basically every time we saw each other for months,

487
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 1>which is after he has killed Electra's dad, he points

488
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 1>at the kill, points to himself, and then points to

489
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the bull's eye on his head. Doesn't say a word.

490
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the bullseye scar in his head.

491
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 1>I did too. I thought that was a great innovation,

492
00:25:58.119 --> 00:25:59.079
<v Speaker 1>that was, and.

493
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>It has been a in the comics too, like He's

494
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I've seen it in the comic.

495
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Books, as it should be now that once you recognize

496
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 1>something great, just fucking run.

497
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 2>So that was the one design choice. Then Michael Clark

498
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Duncan as Kingpin is weird, Like his performance isn't bad,

499
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>and I don't mind the casting of it other than

500
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>he's just not fat.

501
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>And I just don't know what he wants. I don't

502
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>know who Kingpin is in this movie. He's just a

503
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.480
<v Speaker 1>bad guy. He's just another obstacle for Daredevil.

504
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:30.799
<v Speaker 2>And Kingpin's motivation is just he just wants everything, and

505
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.599
<v Speaker 2>and they don't really even go into that.

506
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 1>No, Ultimately, we don't really get a scene of Wilson

507
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Fisk being Wilson Fisk in the movie. He's just every

508
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>scene is a plot motivation scene with him.

509
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again, I don't mind the performance. I don't

510
00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>mind the casting. He's just not either. I know, but

511
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 2>he as a larger, bald white guy or latino, but

512
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>there's very fair skinned. I can play I can play

513
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the Kingpin.

514
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hell yeah, you're could.

515
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.359
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like that's because he's like the big

516
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>dude in comics. That like isn't a joke.

517
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 1>That's true. No one ever would accuse the Kingpin of

518
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 1>not being able to fuck everybody up man.

519
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 2>It's the only guy who fucks with the Kingpin is

520
00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man. And that's just because he's Spider Man. He

521
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 2>can get away with it. Like I even know the

522
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:25.799
<v Speaker 2>old cartoons, he was like, hey, Tubby, but the Kingpin

523
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.000
<v Speaker 2>is just is a solid.

524
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Mass And that was Frank Miller's innovation because he was

525
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 3>just a fat guy and that Spider Man made fun

526
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 3>of until he showed up in an I guess an

527
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 3>R rated comic in the for nineteen eighty whatever it was,

528
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and he's just there.

529
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Crushing dudes in his underwear, just like murdering guys with

530
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>his bare hands. And you're like, oh, he's that kind

531
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>of fat. Okay, Yeah, he's like King Kong Bundy.

532
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, imagine him, Oh my god, can

533
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you It would be had to be a fun movie.

534
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.440
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, you're right, I don't really know what he wants.

535
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I do love Michael Clark Duncan just as an actor,

536
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 2>always just loved every way he delivered the lines.

537
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 1>So he delivered what he was given, right, that's the thing.

538
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>That's a good performance for an underwritten part. Yeah, Black

539
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>is underwritten. Fucking Kingpin is underwritten. He over wrote Bullseye,

540
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.839
<v Speaker 1>and obviously Colin Farrell threw all that out. Uh, and

541
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>what we're left with is Affleck is Matt Murdoch, which

542
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.559
<v Speaker 1>is fine. It's a fine portrayal of it.

543
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it's just like, why was that

544
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 2>not Matt Damon?

545
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it should have been Matt Damon.

546
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Actually me and I remember me and my friends saying

547
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>the exact when I came out. Ben Affleck should play Batman,

548
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.799
<v Speaker 2>not even back then. You're like Batman, big dude, he's Superman,

549
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like Daredevil is not huge. Daredevil is a dude. He

550
00:28:55.319 --> 00:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>just and I felt that the everymanness of Matt Damon

551
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 2>really played well with plus that hair color, like he

552
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:06.319
<v Speaker 2>just looks it. He's an Irish guy.

553
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah. The tint that they've given Ben Affleck's hair

554
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>is ridiculous in.

555
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>This Yeah, and he's so big and hulking. It's just

556
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>he's not built to do the stuff that Daredevil does.

557
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 1>And he would be instantly recognizable. I don't care if

558
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 1>he is blind with that build. And then show's up

559
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 1>in the suit, you know what I mean, like wanting

560
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 1>him walk into court. It's well, who's that fucking Oh

561
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.359
<v Speaker 1>he's blind? Well, I guess he couldn't be Daredevil.

562
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But come on, and that suit of his, like you said,

563
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>it's leather, and it's why is it a zip up jacket?

564
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>There's all these weird things going on with that suit.

565
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:45.759
<v Speaker 2>But again, the writing is it bad. The plot works,

566
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.039
<v Speaker 2>it can use another polish And that movie needed a

567
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:51.759
<v Speaker 2>better director, you know what I mean, needed a more

568
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>a nuanced action director. I don't know who would have

569
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 2>been like John wu or something I don't know, or

570
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, who was around then? Then a martial arts movie.

571
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Joe Carnahan was around then.

572
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Joe Karrhan could have done it.

573
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he could have worked off of this script. I

574
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>would have been happy with it, he would have said

575
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies, and that would have been even better.

576
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:12.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But there are things in there where tries to

577
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.640
<v Speaker 2>be where he's sleeping in the Yeah, I think that's interesting,

578
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he's eating pain and and all of

579
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 2>his stuff, like there's something there.

580
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 1>But they also enjoyed daredevil vision his sonar quibble here.

581
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 1>At one point in his narration, he says, it gave

582
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>me a kind of radar sense. It's sonar, dude, it's

583
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:35.960
<v Speaker 1>all based on sound.

584
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is so, but what are you gonna do?

585
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I've always felt my interpretation it's neat looking. It's the

586
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 2>cool after effects of effect they do. My take on

587
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Daredevil's superpowers has always been like he just knows where

588
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>everything is. He can't see it, it just knows you're there.

589
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a moment in the subway where the guy

590
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 1>is hiding behind one of the columns. His quarry is

591
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 1>hiding behind one of the columns, and he keeps hitting

592
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>his baton on a metal railing and so when we

593
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>cut to his vision, what we get is basically a

594
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 1>blank screen, but a wave of sound radiating from the

595
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 1>thing and then illuminating each column until you get a

596
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 1>brief image of the guy in the And I thought,

597
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that's cool.

598
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.519
<v Speaker 2>That is cool. That does make him even blinder though yeah.

599
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it makes his shenanigans a little even cooler

600
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>in that, but it doesn't. So I watched the director's cut.

601
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Is that better? I see, I've heard it's better.

602
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It is better, subtly better, Like during that opening fight

603
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>scene in the bar, the strobe lit to shaky cammed to.

604
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 1>During that sequence, the sound basically drops out almost altogether,

605
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 1>and you just hear like whispers of fan blades and

606
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>little things like that instead of just a pump and

607
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>rock and song over a kick ass fight scene. That,

608
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 1>as a directory of the choice, made more sense to

609
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>me and made me like Matt Murdoch a little bit better.

610
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>So there are little subtle things like that make it better.

611
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>There's an entire subplot with Coolio who they're defending. Foggy

612
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>and Matt Murdoch are not only defending, but like investigating

613
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 1>during the course of the film. His case did not

614
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>need that we were happy without it. But you know,

615
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 1>other than a little bit more brutal, there isn't much difference.

616
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.279
<v Speaker 1>It's better than the theatrical version.

617
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen it. I never just okay, I saw

618
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the theatrical version a couple of times. That's enough for me.

619
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Remember in the early two thousands when every superhero movie

620
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 1>had a ten minute credit sequence that was so fucking boring.

621
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Remember Spider Man, It's just okay, a web, another web, Yeah,

622
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>webs Okay. At some point I'd like to watch the

623
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:55.799
<v Speaker 1>movie do that here with the super terrible CG New

624
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>York city scape where they have blacked out buildings but

625
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>some of the windows are lit, and then the windows,

626
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the lit windows become brail, and then the braille become

627
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 1>the title.

628
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Come on, Like they all just saw that Tim Burton

629
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Batman and they.

630
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Had to like, we got to do an incredible credit

631
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>sequence that last for an entire credit sequence. No, you

632
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 1>don't need to do that. We could just jump right.

633
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Look on my first movie, Space Effective, I did that.

634
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I had like an elaborate opening credit sequence

635
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>which was fun and all that stuff, And if I

636
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 2>went back and recut it, I probably chopped that out.

637
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Like the opening credit sequence isn't like a thing anymore.

638
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Although I do appreciate the overture ideas so like it

639
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>can work.

640
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>But I think it all depends on if you have

641
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 1>a good enough idea for a credit sequence, you need

642
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to justify your credit sequence.

643
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so too. I liked it in my

644
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>movie still because I just love that music, but I

645
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>get it and a couple of things I've done since then,

646
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 2>the shorts, I haven't use title where you go. It depends.

647
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I think opening credits can be considered the cover of

648
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>the comic book.

649
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:57.319
<v Speaker 1>I love a great credit sequence, but.

650
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 2>The openings of Spider Man were both poor, even that

651
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.480
<v Speaker 2>second one, with all the like the Alex Ross artwork,

652
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of went on and on. Can cut

653
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>them down and make him quick? I don't know, it depends.

654
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't like Marvel doesn't do the titles at the

655
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>front of the movies anymore. The title of the movies

656
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>are usually Marvel No.

657
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>But you know what we did get at the start

658
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of this movie was the whispering pages Marvel promo. Oh yeah,

659
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>loved that.

660
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the beginning of it.

661
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

662
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, just the hint of the comic book page

663
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and now it's just a thundering fanfare.

664
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all of their shit. But so the movie

665
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 2>itself is it's all right. It's an interesting take on Daredevil.

666
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:43.159
<v Speaker 2>The script would have been better in more suitable hands,

667
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>but it is what it is. It was pretty evocative

668
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.280
<v Speaker 2>of all the superhero movies of that time period.

669
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Glad it didn't get a sequel. Shocked it got a sequel, yeah,

670
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>because it.

671
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Did that Electra, which I've still not seen to this day,

672
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 2>because it just looked terrible. I feel like it's a

673
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 2>really bad take on Ninja. Scroll right. She has to

674
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.199
<v Speaker 2>face the different demons or whatever it is.

675
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:06.840
<v Speaker 1>And exactly what it is, people with tattoos of snakes

676
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>coming off of their body, fighting Mortal Kombat style and

677
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>forests that aren't particularly visually interesting, and it's kind of all, yeah,

678
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:20.039
<v Speaker 1>it is what it was.

679
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>And why do they not want to give Electra her headband?

680
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to give her the head band?

681
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what the fuck? Man, it's like her thing like,

682
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.039
<v Speaker 1>she looks hot.

683
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>In the headband. I don't get it. Size in a headband,

684
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that's all you need. Even in the new show, she

685
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have the headband.

686
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 1>No, and she's a much better election You know who

687
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they should have cast in the year two thousand and

688
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>two to play Elector. Well, salmahayak. She's half Lebanese, right.

689
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 2>She is mostly Lebanese. Actually, yeah, she's from Mexico, but

690
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 2>her family is from like my family on Cuban, but

691
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>my family is from Lebanon, Azaria, from Mount Lebanon. So

692
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it's like kind of in between the two countries.

693
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, like I would believe her as Electra.

694
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have. I would have loved have seen.

695
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Her asom in the outfit.

696
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I could steal that out.

697
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna generate some AI later.

698
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>How unethical in so many ways?

699
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Okay, that leaves a long gap.

700
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 2>We had some animated anywhere. Well, I guess I'm the

701
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 2>old Spider Man cartoon.

702
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>He showed up Spider Man and his amazing friends and

703
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.440
<v Speaker 1>his amazing friends.

704
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 2>He was his lawyer there and then nineties Fox five

705
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>or We Fox Kids Afternoon or whatever, that one with

706
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 2>the Joe Perry song.

707
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, and he's expertly drawn there. He's beautifully drawn. Actually,

708
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 1>in the in the the nineties, one with the super highlights.

709
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>And shall all those shadows.

710
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my god, I went back and watched some of

711
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>these Marvel's nineties animated fair and I'm knocked out by

712
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>some of the design on it.

713
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, the Fantastic four show was actually I remember really

714
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 2>liking that the Iron Man show sucked, but the Fantastic

715
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>four one was pretty good.

716
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one from the seventies, the sixties, the.

717
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.679
<v Speaker 2>One from the nineties, the nineties, it had the theme song,

718
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:20.840
<v Speaker 2>which is like, just call the full fantastic full do do.

719
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>The one from the sixties is pretty good too. The

720
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 2>one from the seventies is trash. The one with the

721
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 2>fucking robot. Oh that's awful.

722
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Herbie, Herbie, Oh god, I like the robot, but that

723
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 1>show was there not great. When Captain America throws his

724
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:34.280
<v Speaker 1>mighty she.

725
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Those who opposed the shield must yield. Yeah, I remember

726
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>they had their like generic Hitler on nine cartoon that

727
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 2>was like Hitler, but they wouldn't call him a Nazi.

728
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Kind of like today, right, so I will.

729
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I think, I know we've had this bait before, but

730
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I always kind of feel that Marvel hurt society by

731
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>not emphasizing that the red skull, I feel like dismissing

732
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 2>him as just a hydra dude. I agree quickly.

733
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you when I think it's more in

734
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 1>keeping with that character that he would form his own Reich.

735
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe he could have called it the Fourth

736
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Reich and continued with the Nazi imagery to do what

737
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. Yes, but I don't think Captain America's impact

738
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>is that strong on American culture. I think the current

739
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 1>rise of fascism is has much greater antecedents.

740
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I also think that Steven Spielberg going no more Nazi

741
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>villains and movies because I only make serious World War

742
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.000
<v Speaker 2>two films. Now, that was also a mistake. I think

743
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Nazis as bad guys.

744
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>In movies should have never been I agree watch Season

745
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.440
<v Speaker 1>two Millennium. The Nazis come back in that and as

746
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 1>one of the underground players on the global scale, and

747
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 1>they are dealt with effectively wonderfully. Actually it's a two

748
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>parter Alan Boosters is what the episodes are called.

749
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 2>My favorite Captain America comics when I was a kid

750
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 2>was anytime that he was in World War Two fighting

751
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 2>fighting the Nazi Threat that was always my favorite, like

752
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that Captain America Origin that came out in the early nineties,

753
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin Maguire's my favorite comics. But anyways, we're getting

754
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>off track talking about well we.

755
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Are talking about the MCU, and now let's talk about

756
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the MCU's version of Daredevil because we finally got it.

757
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 1>In the television series. All of the Street level heroes

758
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>minus Spider Man were relegated to the Marvel Television ghetto

759
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 1>under Ike Pearl Mutter's perview.

760
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 2>And it's a miracle that those shows came out. For

761
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the most part, were pretty good.

762
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 1>I think the initial seasons of Daredevil and Luke Cage

763
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 1>and Jessica Jones, I think those were all well considered.

764
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>And then I think at a certain point Ike Pearl

765
00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Mutter was in such competition with Kevin Figgy that he

766
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, I wanted Avengers now.

767
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I feel that the biggest drop off was Jessica Jones

768
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 2>because that first season was just incredible. In the second

769
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>season at all, I thought the Iron Fist was just

770
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 2>awful all the way through. The Luke Cage I think

771
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>was consistent, but Daredevil, I thought was the one that

772
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 2>was consistently good throughout. It wasn't wild about the Punishers.

773
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 1>That was okay, the Punisher on his own series, Yeah,

774
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 1>because the Punisher season of Daredevil was fucking phenomenal.

775
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Season two Yeah, all of Daredevil was great, I thought,

776
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 2>And I liked the Defenders. I thought it was not No.

777
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I checked out about halfway through. I think he just

778
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like there were any steaks, honestly, and the

779
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 1>stakes weird and silly, and I hate and I hated

780
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>iron Fist.

781
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hate iron Fist too, like Danny Ran can.

782
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Piss up a rope man just recasting. Yeah, give us

783
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:57.599
<v Speaker 1>somebody else, give us Tiger.

784
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Who's on this season of But the Daredevil show I

785
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 2>thought was consistently good its entire run. I enjoyed that

786
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>entire run of Daredevil, even the way it ended. I

787
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>loved Electra, I loved Punisher. Okay, Electra didn't have the headband.

788
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 1>No, but Elerd Young, Yeah, Elity Young, beautiful name, beautiful woman.

789
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 1>I did not understand most of her dialogue, honestly, I

790
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>swear I subtitled.

791
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>It fair enough. I thought she was fine as Electra, but.

792
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 1>She was just fine as Electra, and Electric is more

793
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>than fine, that's true. She should be a goddess.

794
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't. They don't pay. They don't mind pay enough mind.

795
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 1>I think No, it just felt kind of rushed, you

796
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

797
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 2>That's fair.

798
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Electra should thread throughout his life. She should be it's

799
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>his catwoman.

800
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is true. She needs to be coming in

801
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>and out of his life constantly. She should show up

802
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 2>on this show too.

803
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

804
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:57.920
<v Speaker 2>But that being said, for the most part, everything about

805
00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the Daredevil show, I've really love it. Probably my favorite

806
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff that Marvel's done, outside of those Avenger movies, which

807
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 2>are all pretty good and those Spider Man said that

808
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Dared Double show.

809
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's one thing you should learn. If you find

810
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 1>yourself suddenly in the Daredevil universe stant of hallways.

811
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>If there's room for Dolly shot, you need to get

812
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.320
<v Speaker 2>out of the way.

813
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 1>You gotta fucking run. It's Darwell's same deal.

814
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you If they can get a steady camera or

815
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a ronin in there, you're screwed. Man.

816
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 1>You need to take an elevator to a tiny room

817
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>that leads to the outside. Because you're in a hallway,

818
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get caught in a melee.

819
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>That fight scene with him in the black Suit when

820
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 2>he's first starting out. I really like that black Suit

821
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>is it's what Miller and Ramita did, and and Man

822
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Without Fear his the official origin, which is like to two.

823
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I liked it. It worked, and then he finally gets

824
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the Daredevils, who My only complaint on the show is

825
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 2>that Daredevil generally doesn't show up until later in the seasons.

826
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And I feel like these shows all really could learn

827
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.199
<v Speaker 2>a thing or two from the comics they're done. Do

828
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 2>you get twelve episodes of a TV show would be

829
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the optimum twelve or thirteen, right, but you can get

830
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>twelve issues in an annual, you get two or three storylines,

831
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>an over arcing storyline, and bottleneck issues all And they

832
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.159
<v Speaker 2>really can learn to do that on these TV shows,

833
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and they don't do like, here's twelve episodes, we have

834
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 2>to have a twelve episode arc. Now you can have

835
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 2>two episode arcs. You can have multiple little arcs and

836
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 2>then have a big one that come.

837
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in a couple of episodes, you could say, Hey,

838
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the such and such case. Oh

839
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, we're working on it. Okay, back to

840
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>what we're doing, right, now it's yeah, the idea in

841
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people because streaming was still kind of

842
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 1>a new thing as far as trying to plot out

843
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a series arcs. Everyone started saying, it's a twelve hour movie.

844
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>No it isn't. It's not a You're not giving us

845
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a three acts structure with everything building up to that

846
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking ending. You're stringing us. You have one story, you've

847
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 1>created seven subplots for, and not all of them pay off.

848
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.119
<v Speaker 1>My problem with the Daredevil series, my problem with the

849
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Marvel series overall, is that they all should have been

850
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 1>eight episodes. I think they were following the twelve issue

851
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 1>and also twelve episode BBC model, figuring that's perfect, right,

852
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>four episodes, three acts, sure, but there wasn't enough story

853
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to sustain it.

854
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.280
<v Speaker 2>No, and that's but they do the act in the

855
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 2>structure of the comic book, but they don't pay attention

856
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 2>to the way the comic books go through the year.

857
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 2>If I'm reading a Daredevil comic, for example, for a year,

858
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>he's going to have three storylines, and that they do.

859
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 2>There's going to be a four issue arc where he's

860
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>fighting the Owl, and there's going to be a two

861
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>parter where he's got a deal with Typhoid Mary coming out,

862
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 2>and then there's six issues of The Kingpin and Electra

863
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>or something like it. And then in the annual you

864
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.360
<v Speaker 2>get like a flashback. You could do that kind of

865
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.760
<v Speaker 2>in a TV show, and they don't seem to ever

866
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of do that. They want to give you a

867
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>twelve hour movie or they want to give you twelve bottlenecks.

868
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 2>They don't. We're going to mix it up.

869
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 4>Man.

870
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think at least my prayers have been answered.

871
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We've got two seasons now, eight episodes each. The first

872
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 1>season here that this first season of Born Again actually

873
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 1>has nine, but I'm basically considering the first episode two hours.

874
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that first episode was outs.

875
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, before we get going, folks were now talking season

876
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>four technically of Daredevil Born Again currently playing. The first

877
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.079
<v Speaker 1>two episodes have been released. Antonio and I have watched them,

878
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think we're going to be spoiling some things. Yeah,

879
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.800
<v Speaker 1>first episode, it's kind of impossible not to spoil.

880
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's like if the States status quos changes

881
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.079
<v Speaker 2>changes in the first ten minutes. But before we get

882
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>in there, John Burnhall that season of The Punisher was

883
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>really good too, because he had the equivalent in the

884
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 2>jail fight too.

885
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh yeah, and that was unexpected. That was

886
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you right. That was the best part of that season, honestly.

887
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And they had you had you had Bullseye on

888
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the show. You didn't. You've got the greatest hits of

889
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Daredevil up unto a point on that original show, and

890
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed the hell out of it. But what

891
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Marvel put out this week makes that show look like

892
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 2>a piece of junk.

893
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>It does.

894
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.360
<v Speaker 2>This is the most That first episode was like the

895
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the best adaptations of a superhero thing I've

896
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 2>ever watched. It was so good, Like it was the

897
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>right level of operatic and the right level of street level.

898
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 2>It was like the right level of handheld and so

899
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 2>like you still got him doing all the cool ah

900
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>look at him swinging around on a rope and shit,

901
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.280
<v Speaker 2>but it still was substantially grounded. It wasn't overly shiny

902
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.039
<v Speaker 2>and unlike a lot of the other Marvel stuff, it

903
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 2>was really stylie like, it looked like something. It had

904
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 2>really nice cinematography. It was pretty and Marvel movies. One

905
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 2>thing they all kind of disappoint me on is they

906
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 2>all kind of have a very standard look to them.

907
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>They all have that the same color and color grade.

908
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>They all have kind of the same visual style they

909
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.280
<v Speaker 2>do outside of the James gun stuff. Who does this

910
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 2>seems to have fun. Everything else is pretty straightforward and daredevil.

911
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna make a little bit more like we've seen

912
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 2>a Martin Scorsese movie.

913
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, and James can get away with it because it's

914
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>it's cosmic.

915
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's an outer space and I guess putting it.

916
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 1>On the street, there's a ridiculous outfit that makes no

917
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>fucking sense, and here it is.

918
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 2>But this is nice, like the light but like James

919
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Gunn lights, you know what I mean. And I feel

920
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like everything is kind of flat, flatly.

921
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Lit in the rest of the Marvel flicks.

922
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was moody and really well lit, and

923
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 2>there was red.

924
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>And everything was covered in fog and fog. Yeah, loved it.

925
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Like they said they've seen a Martin Scorsese movie.

926
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.719
<v Speaker 2>You know that that taxi driver that was clearly the

927
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:56.920
<v Speaker 2>guy who directed the the guys who directed the pilot.

928
00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess this guy's direct the whole show. Yeah, and

929
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>they're really pay attention to taxi driver. Main streets A

930
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.599
<v Speaker 2>little bit, especially Taxi Driver with all that steam coming

931
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>out of the It's very pretty. And just a shot

932
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:14.239
<v Speaker 2>of seeing Daredevil swinging. I still haven't seen Batman swing

933
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 2>in a hundred fucking Batman movie. And there he is.

934
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.119
<v Speaker 1>He's that's right, he's always just being towed up.

935
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there he was swinging, and I thought that

936
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:26.639
<v Speaker 2>was really cool and being Daredevil doing and just to

937
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>quite the right level of it, because it was too

938
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 2>much in that movie with the in the Benefleck.

939
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Movie, too much Daredevil.

940
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>No, it was too almost cartoony the way he was kind.

941
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Of, Oh yeah, it was. It's fantastically cartoony. It's it

942
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 1>in a set that on the rewatch, I could tell

943
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that they had built out to give space for people

944
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 1>to flip around and have big scenes in instead of

945
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 1>like a bar.

946
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.519
<v Speaker 2>But Daredevil the way went Okay, So turn it off

947
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't watched it yet, Okay, because we're gonna

948
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>we gotta talk. Yeah, because there's way to even talk

949
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:01.760
<v Speaker 2>about the first scene.

950
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 1>No, and here's the thing in the in the run

951
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 1>up to this show, we've been hearing chatter forever, right,

952
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 1>So those original Netflix series. Once it became clear that

953
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Marvel was going to just tank back everything that they could.

954
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Netflix canceled the series, but there was a there was

955
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 1>an agreement in place that they couldn't use the characters

956
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 1>or do anything with the characters for any number of years,

957
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:26.519
<v Speaker 1>And obviously the first year that they were able to

958
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.559
<v Speaker 1>that's when No Way Home came out and Matt Murdoch

959
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.039
<v Speaker 1>showed up as Peter Parker's lawyer in that film. So

960
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>now they've been introduced into the MCU. But now they've

961
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>been talking about doing Born Again forever and ever, and

962
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 1>now I've forgotten my point. Antonio well.

963
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Born Again is also the title of a comic too,

964
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Gary Devil Born Again by Frank Miller and the great

965
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.960
<v Speaker 2>David Ah.

966
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.239
<v Speaker 1>He was all he's an eighties guy. He did two

967
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 1>comic books, The High School Hero did Doo comic books.

968
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>He did this one and maybe the best Batman comic

969
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Batman Year one, certainly one of the best, certainly the

970
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:09.760
<v Speaker 2>best drawn Batman.

971
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I'll agree with that if you've never read Best the

972
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Side of Batman. The Cult.

973
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Bernie Wright said, yeah, I'm a big fan of Killing Joke,

974
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Bowland, but yeah, the Killing Joke is it's number two,

975
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:25.039
<v Speaker 2>very close number Man Year one, Mazuchelli, I hope by

976
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.320
<v Speaker 2>saying it right, it's the most gorgeous Batman. It's fine

977
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>art man. It is just so beautifully drawn. And you

978
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:35.159
<v Speaker 2>can see the beginnings of that in Born Again with

979
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Dardel when I had the greatest that trade had the

980
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.840
<v Speaker 2>best cover for him jumping through the stained glass window

981
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 2>with his mom the nun Oh, his mom, He said, like,

982
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.559
<v Speaker 2>how catholic can you get? Like that? Like, my mom

983
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:48.360
<v Speaker 2>would have would have been a nun if had I

984
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.039
<v Speaker 2>not after my dad passed. I think my mom would

985
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.599
<v Speaker 2>have become a nun I had I not been around.

986
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.639
<v Speaker 2>So like it was, Yeah, I felt a lot close,

987
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>very close to But the Mazuchelli art is gorgeous. His Batman,

988
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Gregory Peck, it's beautiful. The animated Batman Year one is

989
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>still my favorite animated Batman movie. It might be my

990
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 2>favorite Batman movie. I don't know. It's pretty pretty.

991
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.639
<v Speaker 1>Perfect, Okay, I've remembered all right, so long run up

992
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>to this new Daredevil series, right, and now we've heard

993
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.079
<v Speaker 1>about all the casting, and we kept hearing about about

994
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Karen wall Is it Karen fuck? I don't want to

995
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.679
<v Speaker 1>say her name wrong. Because I know it's Karen Page.

996
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, who had an awful fate in the comics. Thank you,

997
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Smith. Kevin Smith gave her age.

998
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.079
<v Speaker 1>We kept hearing from denbra Annwall that she was not

999
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>being asked back for the series, right, and then a

1000
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.039
<v Speaker 1>similar confirmation from Elden Henson, who plays Foggy Nelson, so

1001
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 1>to hear kind of last second, and when the trailers

1002
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.239
<v Speaker 1>started dropping that they're going to be in the series,

1003
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I was stoked because I like those characters a great deal.

1004
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I like these actors playing them, and I want to

1005
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 1>see more of them in the MCU. So that brings

1006
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 1>us to what you were saying, Antonio, which is the

1007
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.360
<v Speaker 1>first time minutes of this where we get to see

1008
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the gang all back together and it's fucking great and

1009
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>we can't wait for their further adventures and yet done Bullseye.

1010
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, I was not expecting to see Foggy and

1011
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>he just boom right in the chest Foggy Nelson. Really,

1012
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I was expecting Karen Page to get it, not Foggy Nelson,

1013
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and you know what, she looks like it, but she's fine.

1014
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>I think the old show suffered a little bit when

1015
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:27.280
<v Speaker 2>they would steer clear they would like, we're gonna do

1016
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>a Karen episs, We're gonna do a Foggy episode nobody

1017
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:30.719
<v Speaker 2>cares about.

1018
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I humbly disagree with you.

1019
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:34.119
<v Speaker 4>Do you really?

1020
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Yeah?

1021
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I love those two characters. I just think they needed

1022
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:43.639
<v Speaker 1>something more interesting than just regular intrigue, like they're they

1023
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:45.800
<v Speaker 1>needed meteor plots basically.

1024
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe that's it.

1025
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the And like you was expecting Karen Page

1026
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to get shot, Bunt was not expecting a death. No.

1027
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I was not expecting a death because I felt like

1028
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that was because the original thing. They had shot a

1029
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of the show already, and Kevin Fagy and company decided, Man,

1030
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 2>let's you go back, and I thought, oh, they must

1031
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>have killed somebody.

1032
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>And then they decided, or maybe they decided, we need

1033
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:19.280
<v Speaker 1>more steaks right at this, right at the outset. Yeah,

1034
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>we need somebody to go. And everybody loves Foggy.

1035
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Everybody does love Foggy.

1036
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>It's a bold move, and it fucking broke my heart.

1037
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I did like him as Foggy. I did like but

1038
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I seen that guy in a couple of things, and

1039
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 2>this was the first time I ever really liked him.

1040
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I think he was in butterfly effect.

1041
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Right something like that. Yeah, he's got that teen comedy face.

1042
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was like teen comedy Philip Seymour Huffman but

1043
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.719
<v Speaker 2>oh sorry, but yeah, it was brutal to see him go.

1044
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I was it really set the tone for what the

1045
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.239
<v Speaker 2>show was and what was it gonna be. And like

1046
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 2>the level of steaks, I guess I hate saying that,

1047
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, the steaks are pretty high. But that's see

1048
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.719
<v Speaker 2>because it's just like all of a sudden, the bullseye

1049
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 2>starts coming through there and she's strapped and she's about

1050
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 2>to pop him, and it cuts the inside of it

1051
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 2>was a cut the inside of the bar, and she

1052
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.960
<v Speaker 2>bullseyes just fly through the window and then dareduble show

1053
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 2>up just looking.

1054
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Another fucking fantastic fight.

1055
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like I liked how like they cut from him

1056
00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:28.639
<v Speaker 2>swinging at him to like the reaction, Like it was

1057
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:33.239
<v Speaker 2>really clever editing, really good filmmaking. I just that fight

1058
00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 2>was spectacular and the way he just like unceremoniously throws

1059
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 2>him out the roof.

1060
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 1>What a shot. By the way, Yeah, forever, every movie

1061
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 1>from the seventies and eighties which would have a building fall,

1062
00:54:47.199 --> 00:54:51.599
<v Speaker 1>we would always have to cut because airbags and safe bags.

1063
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 1>But thanks to digital technology, we get to watch Bullseye go.

1064
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, like, how does he survive that?

1065
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, they did that experimental surgery on him. They after

1066
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Kingpin broke his back.

1067
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, Okay, well there you go. His performance

1068
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 2>is different than Colin Farrell for certain, but I do

1069
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:17.719
<v Speaker 2>like it. It's very subdued. He is clearly a maniac

1070
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and both eyes a maniac.

1071
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they need more of those in the MCU.

1072
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm tired of noble villainy, Like enough, can they

1073
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:27.440
<v Speaker 2>just be fucking evil?

1074
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get say it. You can still be interesting

1075
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and want to do nothing but destroy. You can give

1076
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 1>me a clever not a clever, but a a heartfelt

1077
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 1>backstory for that villain. And yet there's still a villain.

1078
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 1>There's shit.

1079
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:44.960
<v Speaker 2>The best villain. I still think the best villain they've

1080
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>had is the Red Skull. He was like, he was

1081
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:52.480
<v Speaker 2>very criminally underused, and I know he didn't want to

1082
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 2>come back, but he was evil. The performance was fucking great.

1083
00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why they didn't just glue dots to

1084
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.400
<v Speaker 2>his face and make him a CG Skulf even like

1085
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 2>wearing that makeup.

1086
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I understanding that he would have come back, they just

1087
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't renew him. They just didn't use him again. And

1088
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:12.239
<v Speaker 1>by the time they got to the Final thing, it

1089
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.639
<v Speaker 1>was just easier to use Ross Marquan because they were

1090
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 1>only going to have a limited interaction with the Red

1091
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Skull anyway, So it just didn't make any sense. But

1092
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the greatest missed opportunity is that we never got the

1093
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Red Skull as he should have been portrayed in as

1094
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 1>far as the Further Adventures of Captain America, because we

1095
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 1>got Forty's Red Skull and he was fucking perfect.

1096
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like, why couldn't we have gotten a Bred

1097
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Skull and the Masters of Evil. That's I always felt

1098
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 2>like they really dropped the ball by going hard on

1099
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 2>his multiverse shit. Okay, we're gonna get the sequel World's

1100
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Final Secret Wars finally in Battle World and the Last stuff,

1101
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:48.920
<v Speaker 2>but we could have gotten there anyways. But they could

1102
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.920
<v Speaker 2>have gone from after the Infinity stuff. The Masters of

1103
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Evil were just right there. Red Skull Loki and like

1104
00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:00.320
<v Speaker 2>all these bad guys that team up, Zack Snyder fucked

1105
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 2>it up too with the Dark Side shit, and did

1106
00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:05.280
<v Speaker 2>DC Nobody cares about Dark Side They just want to

1107
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.480
<v Speaker 2>see the Legion to do. Nobody ever understands that's what

1108
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.400
<v Speaker 2>p They want to see the superheroes versus the Army

1109
00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 2>of super Villains, and we still have you. But anyways,

1110
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1111
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, Zack Snyder wouldn't have been able to have gods

1112
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:19.519
<v Speaker 1>on Earth versus gods from space.

1113
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh so he makes such really keep me made such

1114
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:25.599
<v Speaker 2>cool movies. But I think he got up his own

1115
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>butt a little bit.

1116
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't know a lot bit.

1117
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I always I like Admire three hundred and Watchmen so

1118
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:34.920
<v Speaker 2>very much. So I don't know.

1119
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Zack Snyder hates superheroes there.

1120
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, maybe that was it. You apparently hated outer space

1121
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:41.199
<v Speaker 2>people too.

1122
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.000
<v Speaker 1>He hates everything. Yeah, y'all have to watch it.

1123
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 2>That's too bad. I wish he'd make something like Codan.

1124
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad he didn't.

1125
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:49.880
<v Speaker 2>He would have been slow motion Codan.

1126
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, so much dust, so much particulate matter

1127
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:57.440
<v Speaker 1>sailing through the air.

1128
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.679
<v Speaker 2>But man, I love three hundred that it's gorgeous.

1129
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.000
<v Speaker 1>It's questionable, but then the comic was also questionable.

1130
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's clearly you just have to go. Okay, this

1131
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.920
<v Speaker 2>is Greek, ancient Greek propaganda but anyways, the Daredevil that

1132
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.519
<v Speaker 2>first episode was just fucking great. The scene, the heat

1133
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>scene between Daredevil and Kingpin, between Murdoch and Fisk is

1134
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.800
<v Speaker 2>really cool. And when okay, I jumped ahead, because when

1135
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Fisk shows up at his wife's office in the storage

1136
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:33.119
<v Speaker 2>unit and he just goes Vanessa and that clears out

1137
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 2>the room. He is It is Christopher Reeve as Superman.

1138
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:40.119
<v Speaker 3>He is.

1139
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Of all the MCU casting, it's the one that's absolutely perfect.

1140
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Tom Holland is Spider.

1141
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Man, Chris Evans Captain America.

1142
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and our DJ is Tony Stark, but.

1143
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a bunch but and the villain scale this

1144
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 1>is the perfect one.

1145
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 2>But no, but even but those guys are all great casting,

1146
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 2>but this is it's even more because the Kingpin is

1147
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>almost like you couldn't have don't. I don't know. I'm

1148
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.559
<v Speaker 2>just marveled so much. I can't imagine anybody else playing

1149
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.039
<v Speaker 2>that part right now. Gleason, Brendan Gleeson.

1150
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he could a fine kingpin, yeah, but right around

1151
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>gangs in New York time, Yeah, but I.

1152
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, it's a dinofrio. There's just there's so much

1153
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.679
<v Speaker 2>perfection around his Kingpin his delivery even just like remember

1154
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the first episode I saw him on the show and

1155
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 2>just started quoting him immediately the mask and he sounds

1156
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 2>so cool, like I had always thought like that, that

1157
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>fancy Kingpin in the and the Old Spider Man Show

1158
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.559
<v Speaker 2>was pretty cool. Roscoe's he was. He was on the

1159
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Cosby Show. Roscoe Brown very fine. Yeah, and he leaned

1160
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:56.880
<v Speaker 2>very much into the Sydney green Street because that's who Stanley.

1161
00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 2>That's when they came up with that. So just till

1162
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Sydney Green Street, that was was king kids. Sydney green

1163
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Street was a character actor in the forties and fifties,

1164
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.719
<v Speaker 2>best known as the Heavy There's a.

1165
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Very large guy in the Maltese and was parodied as

1166
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Job of the Hut.

1167
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the Hut, but Vincentinofil brings that energy, but brings

1168
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:21.159
<v Speaker 2>us certain Yeah, I'm very fancy. But I grew up

1169
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.320
<v Speaker 2>in the streets and I killed my dad in my

1170
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 2>bare hands when I was twelve, and I will I'll

1171
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:29.639
<v Speaker 2>in the comics the best Kingpin in the comics with

1172
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.880
<v Speaker 2>garth Ennis Punisher series where it was really grounded. Punisher

1173
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was like fifty seven years old, sixty years old. It

1174
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.480
<v Speaker 2>was the Vietnam Vet and the Kingpin in that field

1175
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 2>this sunned it like he just didn't care, like he

1176
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.079
<v Speaker 2>was just the most evil thing event and I think

1177
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Vincent Andofrio brings that. But Prince of Anoffield makes him

1178
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.960
<v Speaker 2>three dimensional and still he redeem it them. That's it.

1179
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 2>There's so much depth, like he's just an asshole. There's

1180
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 2>nothing like, oh I'm I'm wounded inside and oh I'm

1181
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to be bringing balance, like the fucking He's just

1182
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:04.320
<v Speaker 2>evil gangster.

1183
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:06.719
<v Speaker 1>He wants power and he wants it all. Yeah, the

1184
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 1>city of New York specifically, it's a it's an attainable

1185
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.559
<v Speaker 1>goal and it doesn't involve a light into the sky

1186
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:19.000
<v Speaker 1>or blowing something up, although that most likely will figure

1187
01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:20.679
<v Speaker 1>in by the end of this series. I mean I'm

1188
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.960
<v Speaker 1>quite certain. But Vincent Andofrio as Kingpin, Like how stoked

1189
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:27.519
<v Speaker 1>was everyone when we heard he was even being cast

1190
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.280
<v Speaker 1>in the park. Yeah, and he's been so consistently good.

1191
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Did you want you Echo?

1192
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes? I did. I love the man Echo.

1193
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I loved him in in Echo and I liked that series.

1194
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Actually yeah, I did.

1195
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I did too. I think he got a bum wrap.

1196
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I think anything that that the any negativity a guy

1197
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.280
<v Speaker 2>is just because we are in this weird Earth three

1198
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.440
<v Speaker 2>universe that we've where everybody's gonna have a goatee now,

1199
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.440
<v Speaker 2>like Evil Spot, Like, we're just in that timeline right now,

1200
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:58.079
<v Speaker 2>and they did not want to see a disabled indigenous

1201
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.760
<v Speaker 2>gal kick so much ass, I guess, And it's a crime,

1202
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 2>because what a cool superhero. I really enjoyed the sheet

1203
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:07.400
<v Speaker 2>out of her and the whole stuff with the Kingpin

1204
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 2>was cool, and he was running around with a white

1205
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 2>suit and he was fat and all like it was great.

1206
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Yep, just doubling down on making him more and more

1207
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:16.960
<v Speaker 1>complex as a character.

1208
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:17.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1209
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I guess people don't like the wokeness now,

1210
01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that's just that show was cool and I want to

1211
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.199
<v Speaker 2>see more of her because I liked it and I'm

1212
01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:29.639
<v Speaker 2>pleased that she got such a cool performance the chance.

1213
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, the heat scene, I'm glad you described it as

1214
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 1>such because that it was all that was on my

1215
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.320
<v Speaker 1>mind when Kingpin and Daredevil sit down at a diner together.

1216
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 1>And here's what I thought while the scene is playing out,

1217
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 1>it's better than the heat scene.

1218
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they go to that two shop more in

1219
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.119
<v Speaker 2>this than they did in the heat scene.

1220
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Not only are we sure that our actors are in

1221
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:53.440
<v Speaker 1>the same scene together in this sequence, but the writing

1222
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:55.599
<v Speaker 1>is so good. The thing about the heat scene to

1223
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:58.880
<v Speaker 1>me always was, yeah it's de Nio, Yeah it's Paccino.

1224
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 1>And they're basically saying the most generic crime bullshit to

1225
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 1>each other. I'm gonna stop you. No, you ain't gonna

1226
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 1>stop me. I'm gonna stop you. Okay, I'm gonna bring

1227
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you down. I'm like you, you're like me. We're like

1228
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:12.800
<v Speaker 1>each other. Oh, what a revelation, Michael Mann for the

1229
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:13.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking thousandth time.

1230
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, we're complex middle aged men.

1231
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Good lord. But the writing here, the repartee, the jousting,

1232
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and the respect between.

1233
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.079
<v Speaker 2>These two characters that hate each other so much, but

1234
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:33.360
<v Speaker 2>the game recognizes game, and there's a certain camaraderie to

1235
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 2>their hate.

1236
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like the first thing he says to him, it's

1237
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:38.639
<v Speaker 1>not unpleasant seeing you.

1238
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ah, you bring my life. And I feel like

1239
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.360
<v Speaker 2>these movies never get that, Like even in Batman The

1240
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Dark Knight they say it right, they don't. You don't

1241
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:52.280
<v Speaker 2>see it.

1242
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.239
<v Speaker 1>None of the Batman cinematic versions of The Joker have

1243
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 1>delivered because it's always a one story and The Joker

1244
01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 1>is as important to Batman as Alfred. You can't kill him.

1245
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.239
<v Speaker 1>It's once the Joker's dead, the series is over.

1246
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's Batman's mirror. It's a unique that balance to

1247
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:20.760
<v Speaker 2>just it's Batman villains used to be. They're under the

1248
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 2>impression of the Batman villains is like the villain of

1249
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.079
<v Speaker 2>the week, like in the old show. Oh look, here's

1250
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a new villain. They come back, though, and they work

1251
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:33.800
<v Speaker 2>better when they're integrated into Gothams. The Penguin worked started

1252
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.880
<v Speaker 2>really working as a character when I was a kid

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<v Speaker 2>in the comics, when they gave him the nightclub and

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01:04:39.960 --> 01:04:42.360
<v Speaker 2>they gave him a permanent place to be, and all

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01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, he now was this information broke and

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01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.639
<v Speaker 2>then before I knew it, he was just random ob

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01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 2>And like, it works so much better because it's a

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01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:53.800
<v Speaker 2>freak that took over the crime liston the chaacrow running

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01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:57.159
<v Speaker 2>the drugs is cool because it's this freak that took over.

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01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:01.039
<v Speaker 1>The drugs and not just everything's fine in Gotham City.

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01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, the Penguin's back in town. Look out, the

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01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Riddler's on his way.

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01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:10.039
<v Speaker 2>No, they're always there. The Riddler is some lunatic that

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01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:12.159
<v Speaker 2>no one's ever gonna catch and no one knows where

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01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 2>he is. He just lives online. Now, I liked that

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01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:17.599
<v Speaker 2>in the movie that he in the Batman that he

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01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 2>was just like this internet troll. But like, these characters

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01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 2>have to adapt, always adapt with them. And the cool

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01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.079
<v Speaker 2>thing what I liked about this Daredel thing is I

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01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:28.360
<v Speaker 2>like how it's adapted to I was running for mayor

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01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:31.920
<v Speaker 2>did they have a crystal ball? Because I'm watching this

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<v Speaker 2>is the most topical thing I've ever fucking seen.

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01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny. Remember when Lex Luthor became president?

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01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I remember thinking at the time, like I

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01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.559
<v Speaker 1>love that for that character. That's where he was always

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01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be. Yeah, and we've only ever seen it

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01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.760
<v Speaker 1>on screen as a vision on Smallville with Rosenbaum in

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01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.639
<v Speaker 1>the white suit in the Oval office. Oh my god,

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01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 1>it was wonderful.

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01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the animated movie Public Enemies is delightful.

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01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 1>Does that have President Luthor?

1282
01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:04.239
<v Speaker 2>It's got Clancy Brown as president Lucy.

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01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck, okay, now I've got a walk and it's got.

1284
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Tim Daily and the late great Kevin Common and Superman

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01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.239
<v Speaker 2>and Batman become America's most wanting company.

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01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh that I never got around to watching.

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01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's on Max to check it out. It's delightful.

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01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.519
<v Speaker 2>It is one of their better animated films. It's really fun.

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01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a buddy cop movie.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole idea of President Luthor, as much as

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it, I was always like, really though, I mean,

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01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.400
<v Speaker 1>he's been put away a bunch of times and the

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01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:37.039
<v Speaker 1>public aren't ever going to elect him president anyway. So yeah,

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01:06:37.159 --> 01:06:40.519
<v Speaker 1>So Wilson Fisk is running for mayor Ohen wins. He wins,

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01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:44.639
<v Speaker 1>And we've got a new character. The new love interest here,

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01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Margarita Levivia. She okay for Adventureland fans. Lisa p is back.

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01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Lisa p is back. She was in Adventureland as the

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01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of dream girl that all the everyone who works

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01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.239
<v Speaker 1>in the park lost after I did too, And she

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01:07:00.400 --> 01:07:03.119
<v Speaker 1>was great in that because her character is kind of

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01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 1>just a vain airhead and I totally bought that. And

1302
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 1>then she showed up. She's the lead in The Deuce.

1303
01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 1>She's the female lead on the HBO Max series The

1304
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:13.719
<v Speaker 1>Duce with James Franco.

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01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Underrated show. I really enjoyed that. That show gave us

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01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:18.039
<v Speaker 2>quit the.

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01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Brunson indeed, and and she was. She was the lead

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01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:25.719
<v Speaker 1>on that, and she's fucking great in that. Every time

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01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:27.679
<v Speaker 1>she shows up anywhere, I'm stoked.

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01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:28.320
<v Speaker 2>So that her.

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01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, she's the girl that oh the she's the

1312
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:33.880
<v Speaker 1>one going to college at the beginning, and she ends

1313
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:35.280
<v Speaker 1>up being the lawyer at the very end.

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01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Wow, it's.

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01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 2>A good show. Oh, James Franco, why do you have

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01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:41.599
<v Speaker 2>to be such a scupbag? That was one of your

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01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:42.159
<v Speaker 2>better pieces.

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01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm gonna have to do an entire show

1320
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.400
<v Speaker 1>about the Deuce. Actually, that's really good. I think it's

1321
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.159
<v Speaker 1>an important piece of television. It's poor people and an

1322
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:53.480
<v Speaker 1>important piece of American history, honestly, and it's.

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01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Companion show Vinyl only lasted us here only.

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01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Lasted Yeah, because it was garbage, you see that. I

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01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.800
<v Speaker 1>enjoy Okay. I enjoyed the flights of fancy, which you

1326
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:06.960
<v Speaker 1>could tell with Scorsese's influence, where like, hey, let's see

1327
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Bo Diddley playing for a fucking two minutes. Okay, that's cool.

1328
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:13.519
<v Speaker 2>I like Bobby Kennavoll a lot. I just can't always

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01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:16.199
<v Speaker 2>watch him just be and I liked his little I

1330
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 2>liked watching him. The show didn't really have a lot

1331
01:08:19.520 --> 01:08:21.800
<v Speaker 2>of direction, didn't really know where it was going. And

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01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:25.359
<v Speaker 2>I like Ray Romano. I really like him in that.

1333
01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 2>I really loved him on that Get Shorty.

1334
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh he was great. Yeah. The problem for me with

1335
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that series is, and the problem with most of American

1336
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 1>entertainment lately, seems to be that all anyone learned from

1337
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.800
<v Speaker 1>The Sopranos and Breaking Bad is that villains.

1338
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Are cool and yeah, that's funny.

1339
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, please go ahead, but that's hilarious.

1340
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I shared this to my story today and on Instagram,

1341
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.159
<v Speaker 2>a clip of Vince Gilligan saying that, Hey, I'm in

1342
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a room full of writers and something in a writing

1343
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.159
<v Speaker 2>award thing. I'm like, probably wga thing. He's maybe we

1344
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 2>should I don't know, in light of the way the

1345
01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:05.720
<v Speaker 2>world is, maybe write some good guys. Maybe let's lay

1346
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:10.000
<v Speaker 2>off writing the ul villains, because now we've made these

1347
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:12.319
<v Speaker 2>guys aspirational exactly.

1348
01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:16.920
<v Speaker 1>We've humanized the horrible people, but we're not We're not

1349
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.079
<v Speaker 1>lionizing any of the decent people. And by the way,

1350
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:23.000
<v Speaker 1>decent people can be just as complex, and can have

1351
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.840
<v Speaker 1>just as dark thoughts and be led down paths that

1352
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.319
<v Speaker 1>they don't necessarily want to be and still be good

1353
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:29.960
<v Speaker 1>in the end.

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01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that gives makes Daredevil. This is a fine

1355
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 2>example of being able to do that because Daredevil is

1356
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:40.399
<v Speaker 2>about you know how every superhero superhero universe is there.

1357
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Certain characters are uncorruptible, they're moral centered. Captain America is

1358
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:51.199
<v Speaker 2>uncorrel Batman is uncorruptible. Daredevil isn't. Daredevil is the most

1359
01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 2>realistically uncorruptible character because he's corruptible, Like he he crosses line,

1360
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 2>he fucks up, he's really slutting, he does all of these,

1361
01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:07.199
<v Speaker 2>he's striking, he does things that Batman. You can't get

1362
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:10.159
<v Speaker 2>away with Batman. Like Batman, you can't like have him

1363
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.479
<v Speaker 2>kill a guy and like remorse me just can't kill

1364
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.079
<v Speaker 2>a guy. Daredeville can accidentally kill a guy, or could

1365
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.279
<v Speaker 2>kill a guy and remorse about it and learn from

1366
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:19.800
<v Speaker 2>him and ultimately realized, no, I'm better than this.

1367
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.239
<v Speaker 1>And Muscu but you know what I mean, Like he's

1368
01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.520
<v Speaker 1>very catholic as self flagellate.

1369
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.560
<v Speaker 2>He was sol fratulated. But there's always redemption for me,

1370
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.840
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So, like he's uncorruptible in

1371
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:35.079
<v Speaker 2>a realistic way, and the fact that he finds redemption

1372
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.880
<v Speaker 2>when he screws up I always found them in the

1373
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:40.319
<v Speaker 2>coup and on the show he does that. He screws

1374
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.920
<v Speaker 2>up all the time, and he's always beating himself up

1375
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:44.840
<v Speaker 2>about it, but always I gotta do better. I gotta

1376
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:49.359
<v Speaker 2>do better. Now he's fucked up beyond compare the fuck

1377
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:53.239
<v Speaker 2>he's dead. What does he do now? Well, Kingpin's back

1378
01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:55.479
<v Speaker 2>in town. He's the fucking mayor. You're gonna have to

1379
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 2>do something.

1380
01:10:56.479 --> 01:10:59.680
<v Speaker 1>And boy doesn't he The plot so far this year,

1381
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the writing is fucking sparkling. Yeah, into that second episode

1382
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.000
<v Speaker 1>where the investigation is continuing. The fucking final scene in

1383
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 1>episode two, the fucking fight with the two corrupt cops

1384
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.600
<v Speaker 1>is just about fucking perfect, man like, I could not

1385
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:19.119
<v Speaker 1>ask for anything better than It is brutal and awful

1386
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:23.159
<v Speaker 1>and wonderful and did what an action scene hasn't done

1387
01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 1>for me in a while. Got my heart pumping. Yeah,

1388
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I wanted him to fuck those guys up.

1389
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.359
<v Speaker 2>What's great about the action on all the Daredevil shows

1390
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:36.119
<v Speaker 2>is how claustrophobic it is. There are any closed spaces,

1391
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.279
<v Speaker 2>like you were so used to superheroes fighting out in

1392
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:43.359
<v Speaker 2>the open, like Good Lord the Civil War, big superhero

1393
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 2>fight ever up to that point was it an airport.

1394
01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:49.760
<v Speaker 2>The fight endgame is on the lawn of the Avengers

1395
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.039
<v Speaker 2>manch and it's okay. This is he fights in a

1396
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.840
<v Speaker 2>hallways and stuff, and even a lot of the Batman

1397
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 2>fights are on rooftops and shit, but can find spaces

1398
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and he's bashing dudes in the walls. And I loved

1399
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.800
<v Speaker 2>the scene because he's just the guy's gonna shoot him

1400
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:07.680
<v Speaker 2>and don't do it, don't do it. Yeah, did he

1401
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:08.439
<v Speaker 2>kill those guys?

1402
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those guys are dead. Those guys are dead, and

1403
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.119
<v Speaker 1>rightfully so. I mean, I don't know. I'm so excited

1404
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:17.239
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of this series.

1405
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Me too.

1406
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm setting myself up for a fall.

1407
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:26.119
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I'm so hopeful that Marvel

1408
01:12:26.199 --> 01:12:29.880
<v Speaker 1>has learned its lessons with Phase four. We're not just

1409
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:32.359
<v Speaker 1>going to fucking line up anymore.

1410
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Here's my take on it. Like again, DC guy, very

1411
01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.199
<v Speaker 2>excited for the DC stuff ahead, and I feel like

1412
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the mistakes that Marvel's is done or

1413
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:45.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever is going to be, they'll probably rectify. I know,

1414
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited with the fact that he's look just like

1415
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.760
<v Speaker 2>comic books have different creative teams, the movies can have

1416
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:53.960
<v Speaker 2>different creative teams, like, it looks like a different guy

1417
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:56.479
<v Speaker 2>is drawing a Batman comic than the guy drawing the

1418
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Justice League. So I'm excited for that. I feel that

1419
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Marvel has always been one thing, you know what I mean,

1420
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:06.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just been this one thing all the way through

1421
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:08.800
<v Speaker 2>and when they got and they expected us to show

1422
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:10.479
<v Speaker 2>up for it, but I think they always hinged on

1423
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:12.800
<v Speaker 2>what was gonna happen next, What was gonna happen next?

1424
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 1>What was They got way too up their ass about

1425
01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the interconnectedness of their universe. Yeah, it's everything felt like

1426
01:13:21.119 --> 01:13:22.920
<v Speaker 1>shoe leather to get us to something else.

1427
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:25.800
<v Speaker 2>It started feeling like homework.

1428
01:13:26.199 --> 01:13:26.720
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

1429
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 1>White Tiger, who is a fucking like obscure character sevandies Man.

1430
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:34.279
<v Speaker 1>He was in one of the Kung Fu comics. He

1431
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:37.880
<v Speaker 1>shows up in episode two of this New Daredevil, and honestly,

1432
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Tony for five or ten minutes, I was racking my brain.

1433
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Where did he show up earlier? What did I miss?

1434
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Because that's how the mcu U is now. And by

1435
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the way, I love that it is that. I love

1436
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 1>that it's that confusing. It's just that each piece of

1437
01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:55.479
<v Speaker 1>entertainment shouldn't be geared just to confuse us further or

1438
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.039
<v Speaker 1>just to further cement mythology.

1439
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Well that's by the time I got to Black Widow

1440
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:05.039
<v Speaker 2>and the Humans, it's just got it, don't lose track,

1441
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like not enjoying these as films. I'm

1442
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:11.199
<v Speaker 2>just like, oh, I gotta watch even Shang Chi, which

1443
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:13.359
<v Speaker 2>was a breadth of fresh air a little but still

1444
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.520
<v Speaker 2>fell a little bit. Okay, Yeah, because okay, this guy

1445
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the ten Rings, How did this connect to the terrorists?

1446
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:20.920
<v Speaker 2>And Iron Man and low Boy. I don't know. They

1447
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:25.640
<v Speaker 2>also haven't been maybe and they've been looser too, I

1448
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe that's why they haven't been suxcited. I

1449
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:29.680
<v Speaker 2>can't bememve. Well.

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01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.600
<v Speaker 1>In the cases of say ant Man and Thor, I

1451
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.880
<v Speaker 1>think they started trusting those filmmakers and just went go

1452
01:14:37.039 --> 01:14:37.800
<v Speaker 1>do whatever you want.

1453
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is because Thor Love and Thunder Terrible title

1454
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:44.680
<v Speaker 2>has some cool ideas.

1455
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:46.800
<v Speaker 1>In it, some great ideas, isn't it, And then it's

1456
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 1>just but there's so.

1457
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Much cocaine going through that movie. I feel like taking

1458
01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 2>with Ted was having like three ways with Tessa Thompson

1459
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and Rita order wherever his wife is and doing rails

1460
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.039
<v Speaker 2>of blow off their butts while he was writing the script,

1461
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and God bless him because I I got Jojoh, But wow,

1462
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:10.560
<v Speaker 2>this was out of control of that movie.

1463
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 1>It was all tired jokes, like it was all these

1464
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:15.680
<v Speaker 1>visual gags.

1465
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:17.960
<v Speaker 2>And then I say the coke game because there was

1466
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.279
<v Speaker 2>so much going on. There were so many ideas in

1467
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:25.239
<v Speaker 2>the meat and so many different tones. You've got Christian Bale.

1468
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.960
<v Speaker 1>For God's sakes, as the god Killer, speaking of like

1469
01:15:28.079 --> 01:15:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the complex Marvel villains. That guy, that character in that

1470
01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:34.840
<v Speaker 1>light comedy deserved his own better movie.

1471
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:39.159
<v Speaker 2>And you give me Thor and Hercules in this kind

1472
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:41.079
<v Speaker 2>of half assed kind.

1473
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Of way, and they get Brett Goldstein as fucking Hercules,

1474
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and you give us him in a fucking cut scene

1475
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.800
<v Speaker 1>at the end. Cutscene, a post scene, yeah, cut scene. Really,

1476
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I've been playing a lot of video games, a lot.

1477
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Of video games. But is he wearing was he wearing

1478
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:58.319
<v Speaker 2>like a muscle suit? Or is he just? Is he was?

1479
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.600
<v Speaker 1>He He's a big dude, right, He's yeah, particularly at

1480
01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that time because that was in the midst of the

1481
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:06.359
<v Speaker 1>ted Lasso series, so you got to figure he was

1482
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:07.279
<v Speaker 1>in top form.

1483
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Is a weird casting a Hercules? I want to see

1484
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:14.600
<v Speaker 2>more of it though, Like Hercules Marvel, Hercules is a

1485
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:22.159
<v Speaker 2>delightful fucking character. He's this, he's just obnoxiously party boy like,

1486
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.840
<v Speaker 2>bisexual mess of a guy.

1487
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Marvel needs to figure out that we've seen all this

1488
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.079
<v Speaker 1>shit happen on Earth already. And could you give us

1489
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:35.520
<v Speaker 1>more cosmic? Could you give us more horror? Can I

1490
01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.079
<v Speaker 1>say that again? Could you give us some horror beyond

1491
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Werewolf by Night? Something actually scary. That'd be fucking fantastic.

1492
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:44.079
<v Speaker 2>The hour long Werewolf by Night.

1493
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:47.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and how about since you fucking opened the door,

1494
01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:49.479
<v Speaker 1>let's get into the gods and the goddesses.

1495
01:16:49.560 --> 01:16:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Now I liked were Wolf too, I did too. I

1496
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.720
<v Speaker 2>liked the I don't know why they released it in color,

1497
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:56.079
<v Speaker 2>that which is oh, I hated that. I liked the

1498
01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:57.239
<v Speaker 2>black and white. It was cool.

1499
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:01.479
<v Speaker 1>I feel exactly the opposite. I didn't like it when

1500
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I watched it the first time, and then when they

1501
01:17:03.199 --> 01:17:05.439
<v Speaker 1>were like, hey, special thing, watch it in color, was like, oh,

1502
01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I get it. Now it's fucking shocked. I mean, it's

1503
01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 1>lit beautifully, the colors are fantastic, and like, I get

1504
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:17.479
<v Speaker 1>what they pinned. Yeah, they Marvel panicked and were just

1505
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:19.840
<v Speaker 1>like do something, make it black and white. Well, it's

1506
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like a throwback to the old universal horror. Yeah, quake,

1507
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:25.199
<v Speaker 1>do something anything. And I was just like, it's just

1508
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a trifle. It's just supposed to be like a Halloweat special.

1509
01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Because I liked it a lot of it, Like, I

1510
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 1>liked the tone of it, and I thought he did

1511
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a good job direct I liked.

1512
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed it.

1513
01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:39.520
<v Speaker 1>The script was the failure there. It just wasn't It

1514
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.279
<v Speaker 1>just didn't add up, you know what I mean? Because

1515
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:45.760
<v Speaker 1>we threw we meet all of our characters in the

1516
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:48.439
<v Speaker 1>middle of everything. We didn't get to know anybody.

1517
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Did you like Agatha?

1518
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I did a great deal.

1519
01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I was. Can I see how surprised how much I

1520
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:56.800
<v Speaker 2>liked I was.

1521
01:17:57.039 --> 01:17:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I had written it off from the moment they announced.

1522
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the only thing wrong with Agatha was that

1523
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:05.880
<v Speaker 2>there was they could have used more Patty.

1524
01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Well everything.

1525
01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I love Audrey pleasant ye, Aubrey Aubrey. Yeah,

1526
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I was right. I adore her. She's like a cat,

1527
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.159
<v Speaker 2>and she has a cat's personality that's kind of really dry,

1528
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:23.680
<v Speaker 2>really sarcastic. And when she showed up as death, it

1529
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.680
<v Speaker 2>was so cool. And I liked that they did the

1530
01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:30.319
<v Speaker 2>makeup different than the comics because death in the comics

1531
01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:33.159
<v Speaker 2>is like two it looks like two face the skull,

1532
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.520
<v Speaker 2>and this one they did the mouth with skeleton her eyes.

1533
01:18:36.920 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 2>But it worked better because you still get those you

1534
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.079
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, She's got those beautiful and like

1535
01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:45.239
<v Speaker 2>to rob any of it of us.

1536
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:45.840
<v Speaker 3>It was.

1537
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:49.119
<v Speaker 2>It really worked. I thought it was cool. I was

1538
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.880
<v Speaker 2>impressed at how gay it was, like, it was super gay.

1539
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Curse were Marvel and Disney for actually bucking the trend

1540
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and being all right with that. I said, it really worked,

1541
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.359
<v Speaker 2>and haunts really can lead something. And it's the same

1542
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:04.800
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't get to lead more.

1543
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Shit, speaking of sort of the complexity. When they get

1544
01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:10.279
<v Speaker 1>it right, they get it right. The last episode of

1545
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Agatha Along takes place. It takes place after the series

1546
01:19:14.279 --> 01:19:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and all it is a flashback showing how fucking horrible

1547
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Agatha Harkness was. Oh that was amazing. What a way

1548
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to wrap up. By the way, just so you know

1549
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the person you were following and cheering along is a

1550
01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:27.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking horrible human.

1551
01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a really neat kind of seventies ending

1552
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>to it. Almost I enjoyed that. So I take it

1553
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:37.239
<v Speaker 2>she's not gonna be Franklin Richard's babysitter.

1554
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Though why not if if a different timeline were starting

1555
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:41.560
<v Speaker 1>in than she should be there.

1556
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I'm excited for that. Fantastic for I really

1557
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed that trailer. I always wanted to set it in

1558
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:49.399
<v Speaker 2>the sixties somehow, totally.

1559
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:53.239
<v Speaker 1>That's every fan has been yelling that for years. Thank

1560
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:54.319
<v Speaker 1>god they finally did it.

1561
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:57.479
<v Speaker 2>I remember when Chris Columbus was attached to it. You

1562
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:00.119
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do it like that or something. Yeah, and

1563
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>like his take was a hard day's Night with a

1564
01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:08.439
<v Speaker 2>fantastic four. And I always really liked that. The cast

1565
01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is great. That thing looks amazing.

1566
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.319
<v Speaker 1>That thing looks amazing, amazing.

1567
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:16.079
<v Speaker 2>That looks like Jack Cooper drew it. I can't believe

1568
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.720
<v Speaker 2>how good he looks. Man, He's even got that fucking

1569
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.319
<v Speaker 2>eye those eyebrow sticking out. Yeah, okay, Ree Richards has

1570
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>a mustache. But I'll be fine with that because I

1571
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:28.840
<v Speaker 2>know what his name is. Gonna play him like autistic

1572
01:20:28.960 --> 01:20:31.039
<v Speaker 2>and like kind of weird and but on the surface

1573
01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:35.439
<v Speaker 2>masking really well like his I know Pedro is such

1574
01:20:35.439 --> 01:20:38.159
<v Speaker 2>a good actor that there's gonna be like four levels

1575
01:20:38.239 --> 01:20:40.199
<v Speaker 2>going on with Red Richards. I'm very excited.

1576
01:20:41.319 --> 01:20:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Were you a fan of The Venture Brothers, Oh god,

1577
01:20:44.319 --> 01:20:47.000
<v Speaker 1>their take on Mister Fantastic with Stephen Colbert.

1578
01:20:47.399 --> 01:20:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they could have cast Steven Colbert is

1579
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:52.359
<v Speaker 2>mister Fantastic and I would have been just fine. I

1580
01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:56.760
<v Speaker 2>love the Venture Brothers. Fucking doc have her, Oh my god,

1581
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:02.079
<v Speaker 2>what's it? And and Jackson Public that show. We could

1582
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.279
<v Speaker 2>just do a podcast on that whole show. That show

1583
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:08.880
<v Speaker 2>was the Freddie Mercury as mister Fahrenheit, the Supersonic Man.

1584
01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh in secret agent David Bowie.

1585
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, David Bowie is like the leader of the

1586
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.239
<v Speaker 2>what the Villain's Council whatever it was, the Guild of

1587
01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Colaboralous Intent. And I liked on that show how they

1588
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:27.680
<v Speaker 2>do the storytelling off camera, like they would just jump

1589
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.119
<v Speaker 2>you shit's happening in this episode you got a piece

1590
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:33.319
<v Speaker 2>it together, And that was really clever filmmaking. Because they

1591
01:21:33.359 --> 01:21:35.319
<v Speaker 2>had a limited budget, they had a limited amount of time.

1592
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>They do what they do, so they just audience work. Yeah.

1593
01:21:38.159 --> 01:21:41.199
<v Speaker 1>The scripture fucking phenomenal. Everyone got obsessed with the sort

1594
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of blender of pop culture, like everything became reference to

1595
01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.119
<v Speaker 1>this in reference to that, and here was something looking

1596
01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:51.479
<v Speaker 1>so far back and yet pulling everything of the past

1597
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.159
<v Speaker 1>seventy years of pop culture and all beardo shit that

1598
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.319
<v Speaker 1>we've all been obsessed with and doing it correctly. I

1599
01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I stand in awe of The Venture Brothers

1600
01:21:58.640 --> 01:21:59.239
<v Speaker 1>as a series.

1601
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every episode of that is just a little gems like,

1602
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.720
<v Speaker 2>there's so much. There's so much you can pack in there,

1603
01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Like the g I Joe stuff is great. The fact

1604
01:22:09.239 --> 01:22:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that the Brock Sampson's boss is Raul Duke. But it's

1605
01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not over. You're referencing Hunter s. Thompson, it's also

1606
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:22.079
<v Speaker 2>referencing Dunesbury at the same time. It's that's a really

1607
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:25.800
<v Speaker 2>clever rcke. It's really it makes the audience really actively

1608
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:29.560
<v Speaker 2>participate in it. I feel a lot of what Rick

1609
01:22:29.600 --> 01:22:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and Morty is doing now is coming from what they

1610
01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>were doing on a.

1611
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Definitely they didn't do it.

1612
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:40.800
<v Speaker 2>They did Their Spider Man parody was hilarious with the

1613
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>shooting the website Oh Yes, Yeah, which brings us back

1614
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:47.840
<v Speaker 2>to Daredevil where the Kingpin is giving his mayor speech

1615
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and he says, we don't have to deal with guys

1616
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the skulls on their chest or dudes and spider costumes.

1617
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, Sony will let you say Spider Man,

1618
01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.239
<v Speaker 2>but who are the vigilant? So you got that white

1619
01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>tiger guy.

1620
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now he's going to be our main case for this, right.

1621
01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>The punishers obviously running around Still he should be Spider

1622
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Man is in town. He's not gonna be on the show,

1623
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.039
<v Speaker 2>but he's definitely living in the city.

1624
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Luke Cage is still out there, Jessica Cage out there.

1625
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I would like to see Luke Cage return. I enjoyed

1626
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:23.399
<v Speaker 2>the Luke Cage show a.

1627
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Lot, me too, man.

1628
01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I would have liked to have seen more of it

1629
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:30.239
<v Speaker 2>because it ended on a cliffhanger. That's right, it just

1630
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>ended with him in charge of the of Harlem as

1631
01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.279
<v Speaker 2>the mob bos. I want to see that Luke Cage

1632
01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:39.279
<v Speaker 2>fly to la Veria and get his two hundred dollars

1633
01:23:39.319 --> 01:23:41.439
<v Speaker 2>from Robert Dunney. So do you think Robert down and Jr.

1634
01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Were going to see that face or it's just going

1635
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>to be that mask.

1636
01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.439
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be the mask. He's really into it, so

1637
01:23:47.399 --> 01:23:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I hope so, I hope he does a good job

1638
01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:53.000
<v Speaker 1>because doctor Doom is the fucking He's the missing link

1639
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:55.399
<v Speaker 1>in the mcu as far as I'm concerned, and I

1640
01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:56.079
<v Speaker 1>hope he's.

1641
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Just not a one off. I hope that he's a

1642
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>presence because I mean, yeah, yeah, Like, how much work

1643
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is it for Robert Donna Junior to show up and

1644
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:05.479
<v Speaker 2>hang on on set for the day.

1645
01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is a lateral move. This was supposed to

1646
01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:13.239
<v Speaker 1>be what's his name, Kang the Conqueror. They had been

1647
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>laying the groundwork for Kang pretty fucking hardcore all through

1648
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Phase four and then had to immediately wrap it up

1649
01:24:19.239 --> 01:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in Quantumniaia is terrible to was a Quantumania. They wrapped

1650
01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>up No, they wrapped it up in Loki, and I

1651
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:27.880
<v Speaker 1>thought Loki was I like the end of Loki.

1652
01:24:28.359 --> 01:24:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I like the end of Loki. Yeah, but I just

1653
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.479
<v Speaker 2>thought I hate Loki and I hate Logan. I love

1654
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:35.920
<v Speaker 2>the actor, I love the performance, but I hate the

1655
01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.600
<v Speaker 2>storm shadowing of him. I hate like when they take

1656
01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>a bad guy that's so popular they got to make

1657
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>him a hero now. But I really like him as

1658
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:45.439
<v Speaker 2>a villain. Fucking we didn't have him as a villain longer.

1659
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>And I know people love the arc thing with him,

1660
01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and a certain population of girls love him, and Okay,

1661
01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:53.159
<v Speaker 2>but ah, I wanted more.

1662
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Can't flip our villains that quickly, and or

1663
01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I just flipped them back because they do that too.

1664
01:25:00.800 --> 01:25:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they do. I did the what they did. Like

1665
01:25:03.319 --> 01:25:06.359
<v Speaker 2>in the first season of Loki was I liked Richard E.

1666
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Grant Oh fantastic as real Loki.

1667
01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>I just love that guy's delivery so much. It's so dry.

1668
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.319
<v Speaker 2>So let's talk real quick. Let's talk about Daredevil himself

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01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and how good he is.

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01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Charlie Cox is Daredevil.

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01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Man.

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01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny. When we were starting the show, it

1673
01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was like every time we brought up something, I was like,

1674
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:27.439
<v Speaker 1>we got to start talking about Charlie Cox though. So

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01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:29.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're wrapping up with Charlie Cox.

1676
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Like like him and Dinofriol have such great chemistry. They

1677
01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and you can tell they really like working to each

1678
01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:38.680
<v Speaker 2>other and they really know how to play. Charlie Cox

1679
01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:41.079
<v Speaker 2>does a lot of good things otis. He plays the

1680
01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:42.439
<v Speaker 2>blind guy really.

1681
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Really, everyone is so preoccupied with staring off in everywhere

1682
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>where they're supposed to be where they're not supposed to

1683
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>be looking basically, and that's just not how blind people are.

1684
01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a natural performance for once.

1685
01:25:56.119 --> 01:26:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very natural. He's not overdoing it. He is

1686
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>really tortured, and you see it on his face, you

1687
01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:07.680
<v Speaker 2>see it, you hear it in his voice. Yeah, Like

1688
01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a really good performance.

1689
01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Man, And just the way his postures, you can tell

1690
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.439
<v Speaker 1>what that guy's all about at that moment.

1691
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And you see it at the end of that last

1692
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>episode where he becomes Daredevil even without the suit. He

1693
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:22.279
<v Speaker 2>becomes Daredevil in that moment.

1694
01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:25.479
<v Speaker 1>If if you're a fan of mister Coxon have not

1695
01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:29.760
<v Speaker 1>yet watched Boardwalk Empire, also on HBO, you should probably

1696
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:32.399
<v Speaker 1>go do that because he's in that first season and

1697
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:33.479
<v Speaker 1>he's fucking great.

1698
01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And he's also stars in Stardust.

1699
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen Stardust.

1700
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:42.119
<v Speaker 2>It's cute, it's delight. He's very charming. Yeah, amon Is,

1701
01:26:42.279 --> 01:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>oh boy, huh oh wow. Yeah.

1702
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I did not see that in the cards.

1703
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:51.359
<v Speaker 2>And like I keep trying to like buy my friends, like,

1704
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.920
<v Speaker 2>so what did he do? Real bad shit, really bad stuff?

1705
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Was like was I'm like, well, he had this groupie

1706
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.279
<v Speaker 2>thing and he's all, that's not so bad. Yeah, and

1707
01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>he held her against their will and I'm like, read

1708
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the article.

1709
01:27:04.840 --> 01:27:08.479
<v Speaker 1>The fucking absolute insanity of it is you can't tell

1710
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.199
<v Speaker 1>me that there weren't groupies just willing to do whatever. Yeah,

1711
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>why do you have to find the one who doesn't

1712
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>and prey upon that, you fucking dickhead. You had everything

1713
01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:23.079
<v Speaker 1>like he had legions of fans all praising him as

1714
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>a fucking god. I remember at a fucking in comic Con.

1715
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>It the first comicon I went to was in nineteen

1716
01:27:31.159 --> 01:27:37.199
<v Speaker 1>ninety three, and it was an insane party atmosphere and

1717
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the biggest ticket was Neil Gaiman was going to be

1718
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>doing a reading from one of his books, like this

1719
01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>after Hours kind of thing, and every fucking girl at

1720
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:52.520
<v Speaker 1>comic Con was trying to get there, and that in

1721
01:27:52.680 --> 01:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>my mind, Like, so I think about that when I

1722
01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>think about, like all of these people who wanted to

1723
01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>throw themselves at him, and that wasn't good enough.

1724
01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Fucking I remember the certain brand of girl that I

1725
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>was in love with, and when I was in high

1726
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.960
<v Speaker 2>school and in early college nineteen years I can only

1727
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>commune I was a comic book nerd, but I could

1728
01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>tell I could talk Sandman with her. That that that

1729
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:20.399
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? It was the one comic

1730
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>book every girl knew that I liked, every arty kind

1731
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:26.079
<v Speaker 2>of girl that I liked back then, my high school,

1732
01:28:26.199 --> 01:28:30.520
<v Speaker 2>my college girlfriend or whatever. Looks sure, I know Sandman. Oh,

1733
01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>let me draw you as death. Oh my goodness, that's

1734
01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>what That was part of my very limited game back then.

1735
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Those Sandman comics meant the world to be Man me too.

1736
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>They were formative, Yes, like I was.

1737
01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I remember that Midsummer Night's Dream issue when I was

1738
01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>performing in like the One Act and the Pyramids and

1739
01:28:49.960 --> 01:28:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Disbee thing is a one act and just connecting to

1740
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Shakespeare and comic book, the stage and storytelling.

1741
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>In the depth of mythology throughout the world, and how

1742
01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>it's relevant for all of us, and how ill informed

1743
01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:07.119
<v Speaker 1>we are about all of the cultures that that that

1744
01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:08.239
<v Speaker 1>dot the globe.

1745
01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:11.279
<v Speaker 2>And now he's you find out he's just as shitty

1746
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>as zeuss Er any of these other gods. He's rou

1747
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>just what a heartbreaker. Thanks, Thanks for shitting on my adolescence, buddy.

1748
01:29:19.319 --> 01:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Fuck you, Neil Gaman, Yeah, fuck you beal Man.

1749
01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you know how Yeah, I have terrible ady HD

1750
01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:30.159
<v Speaker 2>and but I can get through his novels. Motherfucker. I'm

1751
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:32.319
<v Speaker 2>just gonna say, Oh, Terry Pratchett wrote good of it.

1752
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.159
<v Speaker 1>There you go. Looking forward to that next season of

1753
01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>fucking sand Man, Oh My Devils, season four, Born Again.

1754
01:29:42.079 --> 01:29:44.119
<v Speaker 1>It's fucking fantastic, you know what.

1755
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.479
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for the Punisher to show up again.

1756
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.399
<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for Bullseye to get out of jail

1757
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and see if he comes on with some kind of

1758
01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:54.359
<v Speaker 2>costume that looks something like he wore the books. I'm

1759
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.359
<v Speaker 2>looking forward to that showing down. I'm praying we get

1760
01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:58.319
<v Speaker 2>some kind of Electra.

1761
01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Did she die again at the end of the building,

1762
01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>crushed everybody, or rather her and Daredevil, but then he

1763
01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>somehow mysteriously escaped. But I don't think they found her

1764
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:11.159
<v Speaker 1>body or anything. So electors of the type to always

1765
01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.399
<v Speaker 1>come back. Just whether or not she will she, I'm

1766
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.239
<v Speaker 1>guessing season two of this current iteration of the series,

1767
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:18.319
<v Speaker 1>she's probably gonna come back.

1768
01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's up for Karen Page. I feel

1769
01:30:21.720 --> 01:30:25.119
<v Speaker 2>like she is just a disaster waiting to happen.

1770
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can't they just those two get along for a

1771
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>little while. Can't they grieve together? That's Matt Murdock's ultimate

1772
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.119
<v Speaker 1>problem is he has to grieve.

1773
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Alone, and he grieves by beating up people.

1774
01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>We've got your number, I mean, go to church, dude,

1775
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you're catholic. Yeah, go confess or pray or something.

1776
01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:45.239
<v Speaker 2>You just be like I cross the line. Oh yeah, okay,

1777
01:30:45.399 --> 01:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know, Bullseye deserved it. The guy's a crooked

1778
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>cops that guy, that one crooked cop. He's a crooked

1779
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>cop on Mayor of Kingstone.

1780
01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>He's got a type a type.

1781
01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited for the rest of the season. I'm

1782
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>glad we got a chance to talk about it because

1783
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I was jazzed watching these episodes. I was like, oh

1784
01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:06.319
<v Speaker 2>my god, that first episode, that fight with Daredevil and

1785
01:31:06.399 --> 01:31:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Bullseye was so gangster.

1786
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:14.279
<v Speaker 1>So it's just many knives stuck into yeah, horrible. It's

1787
01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>a fucking pin cushion by the end.

1788
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:20.199
<v Speaker 2>But just really it gives you that costume Vigilantis like,

1789
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>it really lets you know, this is what it's like

1790
01:31:22.760 --> 01:31:25.359
<v Speaker 2>to be a superhero when you're not Iron Man.

1791
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for the rest of us, this is what it

1792
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:28.399
<v Speaker 1>looks like.

1793
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, he's a lawyer, broke lawyer in New York.

1794
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:37.479
<v Speaker 1>Come on, he will snap your arm into lovingly. That

1795
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:42.239
<v Speaker 1>was brutal, man, it was brutal. Daredevil Born again. Everybody

1796
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>go watch it. We I don't think we can endorse

1797
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>it or recommend it rather anymore than possible. I'm hoping

1798
01:31:48.840 --> 01:31:50.119
<v Speaker 1>that they fucking continue.

1799
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, so do I Man. Daredevil is just really cool, man,

1800
01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I like, I loved those comics. I loved I read

1801
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>them that John Romita was drawing it when I was

1802
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:03.560
<v Speaker 2>reading it, and I remember we're going back and reading

1803
01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:07.159
<v Speaker 2>the Frank Miiller ones, and remember excited when the Kevin

1804
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Smith and Joksato ones came out.

1805
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:12.359
<v Speaker 1>The art was amazing, art was really good.

1806
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:18.399
<v Speaker 2>I agree, And this show really just just captures that comic.

1807
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>It captures it. It's one of the better superhero adaptations

1808
01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:22.039
<v Speaker 2>out there.

1809
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Give it.

1810
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>If you get a chance, go watch them.

1811
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>If people are trying to find you on the line, Antonio,

1812
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>where can they do?

1813
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>So you know what?

1814
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>You can find my company Swamp Media Group at Swampmediagroup

1815
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:37.279
<v Speaker 2>dot com and on Instagram at Swamp Media Group.

1816
01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:40.079
<v Speaker 1>As for me, if you're looking for me on a socialist,

1817
01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>just at fatherm Alone. If you want to get in

1818
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.319
<v Speaker 1>touch with me directly at not at but fatherm Alone

1819
01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>seven to one at the gmail dot com. And of course,

1820
01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>if you want to support the show in any way financially,

1821
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>head on over to patreon dot com slash fatherm alone.

1822
01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Patron subscribers get episodes early and commercial free, and you

1823
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:01.239
<v Speaker 1>get a bonus series. Apparently I'm gonna end up doing

1824
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>one about the Deuce. Until next time. I'm gonna leave

1825
01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:07.039
<v Speaker 1>you with a bit from one of the Daredevil movies.

1826
01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a funny line, maybe it's a poignant line.

1827
01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:12.319
<v Speaker 1>You'll just have to listen right now.

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01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:16.640
<v Speaker 5>You can build the prison of stone and steal, but

1829
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:22.479
<v Speaker 5>you merely present the prisoner with a challenge, and he

1830
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.159
<v Speaker 5>truly determined man find a way out.

1831
01:33:26.079 --> 01:33:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Love is the perfect prison, inescapable, so you see, Agent Nadine,

1832
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:41.319
<v Speaker 2>I am always in prison wherever I go, and if

1833
01:33:41.399 --> 01:33:44.680
<v Speaker 2>these things help me protect Vanessa, then they are nothing

1834
01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>to me.

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01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:40.439
<v Speaker 4>Siss s s sist