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Phone lines are now 30 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.159 open if you want to react to you know, I mean, 31 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.079 you can really take the show, not in any direction 32 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.719 that you want. But I would assume that those that 33 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:55.519 would be calling in would want to talk about what 34 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.799 happened on Saturday level fans, obviously, I think trying to. 35 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:01.920 I think a lot of Louisville fans kind of know 36 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.879 how they feel about this team and this season and 37 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:08.319 what happens Saturday and even what happened against Duke and whatnot. 38 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:15.439 But what I think is that you're either comfortable completely 39 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:19.759 and you are fine with saying, you know, not a 40 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.560 moral victory guy, but man, if this team could compete 41 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.400 with Kentucky or Duke, then they're going to be really good. 42 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:26.919 And I think some people feel that way, but they 43 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.120 feel uncomfortable talking about it, or like expressing that, or 44 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:32.560 maybe they just feel uncomfortable internally because they're thinking, wait 45 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.800 a second, why am I not angry? We lost by 46 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.879 you know, eleven to Duke, and we lost by nearly 47 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.680 double digits to Kentucky, and it's just, you know, I 48 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.520 get it. So again, if you want to call in, 49 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.719 you can five oh two five seven one seventy nine. 50 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:49.520 And we did have a text on the Ellen and 51 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:51.360 Federal Credit Union text line at five O two six 52 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:54.960 five three zero seven ninety that I've. 53 00:02:54.759 --> 00:02:56.039 Heard this before and I get it. 54 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:00.120 But this person says, Nick, this is how programs like 55 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.639 Louisville turn into De Paul. We end up finding satisfaction 56 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.199 which is not being embarrassing, and we no longer even 57 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.639 believe to have the same ceiling and heights that we 58 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:14.159 once had. Sad well put and I think, well, one 59 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:15.800 I disagree, I think you have. I mean, like De 60 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.240 Paul didn't just wake up and become DePaul from one 61 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.919 bad higher. I mean, and really De Paul was never Louisville. 62 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:22.199 I mean, for being honest, I know they had a 63 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:26.360 great run, you know, long long ago, and I just 64 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.680 you know, maybe I'm way off. And in fifteen years 65 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.439 I'll feel like an even bigger dumb ass than I 66 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.039 do today. But I just don't see a scenario where 67 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:38.840 Louisville basketball whatever fall the way some of those programs have. 68 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.439 I mean, we did it for two years, made a change, 69 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.360 and you know, I think Pat Kelsey's gonna do well here. 70 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.479 Now will he get you to final fours? You know, 71 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.840 nobody knows you can. You can choose to hope, you know, 72 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:51.840 you can choose to believe that he will or believe 73 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:53.879 that he won't. But the fact is only time will tell. 74 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.960 But when you say you know, this is how you 75 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.800 you know, this is how you you know your standard? 76 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:03.439 Like I mean again, I go back to what I 77 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:08.879 said earlier. What do you think can be done right 78 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.719 now that could give you like a better game than 79 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.800 what you saw on Saturday against Kentucky at Rupp Arena 80 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:16.720 at their I mean, like. 81 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:18.959 You nobody can. 82 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.399 I don't think nobody should be happy, And like you know, 83 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:22.639 and if you are happy, cool, and I want to 84 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:24.360 I don't want to disrupt your happiness. But like I 85 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.720 get it, there's no way losing ever feels like normal 86 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.560 for Louisville basketball fans. But I just think context always matters, 87 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.959 and and I just if I felt like I I mean, 88 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.240 in fact, I try to be you know, try to 89 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:39.000 be super genuine and tell you what I truly think 90 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.519 and feel, and and understand that at times it may 91 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.800 be a consensus thing. And I understand at times people 92 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.079 half you know, maybe half agree, and I realize sometimes 93 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.000 I'm in the minority. 94 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.560 But I just can't. I can't. 95 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:53.240 I can't take the feeling that I get from this 96 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.959 team losing games and then manufacture some kind of energy 97 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.079 towards any player or any coach, because like I know 98 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.759 that they're like, this is not ideal, and yeah, you know, 99 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.040 you can call it an excuse. I guess it is, 100 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.279 but excuses are also just explanations, like you don't have 101 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:12.600 to be happy about it, but like it does tell 102 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.600 more like there's way, there's there's a lot more to 103 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.439 this to this team's record being what it is than, like, 104 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.959 you know, than than just the fact that they're losing games. 105 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:29.040 So anyways, when it comes to. 106 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:33.240 Just the stat line here, because I I felt like 107 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:36.480 throughout that I watched a team play, you know, play 108 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:38.480 a pretty good game, Like I felt like, you know, hey, 109 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.079 the chuck he's playing really well, Terrence Severers is playing 110 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.759 really well. Noah Waterman had some crucial mistakes here and there. 111 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.560 Rain Smith you know, didn't shoot it as well from 112 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:50.360 three as you know he can, but he also got 113 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.800 a couple of timely buckets, did make a couple of threes. 114 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:56.079 Javon Hadley was aggressive and you know, had to take 115 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.199 more shots than he's probably used to. But you know 116 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.560 he gave you ten and six and was was was 117 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.160 battling in there. So the more I look at the number, 118 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:07.319 the more I kind of found myself thinking, yeah, like 119 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:11.240 recreating that is going to be really hard, but you 120 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.839 probably wouldn't have to recreate it to that level to 121 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.040 beat a lot of teams. This was Kentucky at rup 122 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.040 and I said it before the game. They're really good. 123 00:06:20.120 --> 00:06:22.639 They're good in a different way than Kentucky has usually 124 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:23.040 been good. 125 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:23.240 Right. 126 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.079 Cali Perry did it to where you know they're out 127 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.160 there just they could. Kentucky had talent at times to 128 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:33.120 where they could just give you a C plus effort, 129 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:35.360 but they had some dudes that a lot of teams 130 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.399 don't have, including Louisville. I think Lowell lost some games 131 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.160 where that wasn't the case and that made it even worse. 132 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.680 But like, this Kentucky team is not is not gonna 133 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.360 beat you because they just have some dudes that you 134 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.920 simply can't, Like, you just can't match up with. I mean, 135 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:51.240 Butler looked like that on Saturday. But that's the best 136 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.720 game of his career. And he'll never play a better 137 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.800 game than that, not only because you know, he's not 138 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.959 a thirty three point per game kind of guy, but 139 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.680 like his numbers are insane. I mean, what a weird 140 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:09.199 ass stat line. Thirty three points, six assists, three rebounds 141 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.319 in thirty two minutes, made every field goal, he took 142 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.920 ten of ten overall, six of six from three, yet 143 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:16.720 he was seven of twelve from the free throw on 144 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.120 he left five points on the table at the free 145 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.720 throw line that he you know, could have had thirty 146 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.839 eight and he didn't miss a shot. Like credit to 147 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.839 that guy. He's good, But like, you know, he's not 148 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:30.040 doing that every night. And you know, Kentucky, if they didn't, 149 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.120 like let's just say they get eighteen from him, which 150 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.120 of course would have been well above his average, that 151 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.560 might not have been enough to beat Louisville. So you know, 152 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:41.480 I wish they would have defended him a little bit better. 153 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:46.279 But you know, like I think this Kentucky team will 154 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:48.600 will still end up being you know, despite how tough 155 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:50.120 the SEC is. I think they're gonna end up having 156 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:51.560 a lot of wins and probably get a really really 157 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.240 good seed. So, you know, to know that Louisville was 158 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:56.439 battling with him again doesn't mean you want doesn't mean 159 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.920 you should be happy. But I just think context is 160 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:02.160 always really really valuable. I mean, again, you can do 161 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:06.800 with that what you will. But anybody reacting in a 162 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.360 major way, really one side or the other because of 163 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.199 you know, anybody you know reacting to these to the 164 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.639 overall results as far as wins and losses, and not 165 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.720 considering the injury situation. 166 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:19.279 I mean, that's just me. Do what you do. But 167 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:20.959 like that's a huge part of it. 168 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.120 Now again, maybe if Pat Kelsey had a fully healthy team, 169 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.040 this team would still have the record that they have. 170 00:08:26.160 --> 00:08:28.720 We'll never know, and we can, you know, lose our 171 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.639 minds trying to, you know, guess what would have what 172 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.559 would happen if they'd be healthy. But I'm also not 173 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.240 gonna just say, Okay, well, hey it doesn't matter. Every 174 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.320 loss is the same, no context because that's just not 175 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.279 you know, that's just not how it works. 176 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.120 Now. If Pat Kelsey has three years here and. 177 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:47.960 They're all underwhelming and there's there's a big circumstance that 178 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:51.360 that that led to them, you know, losing and not 179 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.120 being as good, and it wasn't anything he really could control. 180 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:55.200 You know, at the end of day, I don't think 181 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.480 it's gonna matter now, He'll never fall far enough to 182 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:00.399 where mean again, I still think this team has the 183 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.360 ability to make the NAA Tournament. My biggest worry now 184 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:05.480 and again I'm not saying that I guarantee you that. 185 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:07.759 But for those just now joining us, I am choosing 186 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:15.200 to view the Duke game and the Kentucky game as growth, right, 187 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.240 like there's something there. I'm not telling you to celebrate it. 188 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.039 It still counts as a loss, and one of them 189 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:21.879 was by eleven points, which who knows if that's even 190 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:23.840 going to be viewed as a quality loss because it was. 191 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:24.879 On your home floor. 192 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.519 But you know, I'm hoping that you get through the tough, 193 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.799 tough games here with Carolina coming up at the end 194 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:34.799 of the year, and who else do you have? You 195 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.840 got Carolina in Florida State, Like this is a by 196 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:40.759 the way, this Saturday will be actually a really really 197 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.120 good case study because they're going to play a Florida 198 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.679 State team that's not very good. They're eight and three, 199 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.000 no wins to speak of, and you know, to be fair, 200 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.799 I guess their losses aren't bad, but you know that's 201 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.320 a team that, again, if you can beat West Virginia 202 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.840 and Indiana, even if you have even though you had 203 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.320 prior and you can compete with Duke and lead that 204 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.120 game for thirty minutes plus, and you can give Kentucky 205 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:05.960 the game you gave them on their home floor, then. 206 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:07.080 You should go beat Florida State. 207 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.000 So if they don't, then maybe I'll have the realization 208 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.320 then they're like, all right, you know, I doubt it's 209 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:12.639 gonna if they don't win that game. I don't think 210 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:14.320 it's gonna because they didn't play hard. I don't think 211 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.720 it's going to because you know, Pat Kelsey coached a 212 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:18.360 terrible game. I just think it's going to be like, 213 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:21.200 you know, you really have very little room for error, 214 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:23.200 and you got to have to bring it every night. 215 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:25.840 You know, maybe not to the level that you did 216 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:30.080 against Kentucky, but like the idea where two of your 217 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:34.000 foremost important players, like both have off nights. Winning in 218 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:35.879 that situation, I think it's just going to be tough. 219 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:38.919 So I'm still I'm still of the belief that this 220 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.519 team can can you know, and I don't think I'm crazy, 221 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:45.200 Like I don't. I mean, again, losing to good teams 222 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.200 doesn't mean you're good. But again there's context there that 223 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.799 if you can lose to Kentucky and yet compete with 224 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:54.559 them the way you did for the majority of the game, 225 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:56.360 then I don't think it's crazy to say you should 226 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:57.679 be able to go be Florida State at their place, 227 00:10:57.679 --> 00:10:59.159 who's not been really good in a while. 228 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.159 You've got each hey you Caroline at home? 229 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.000 That one, I don't know, because Carolina has talent, but 230 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:04.919 they've they've certainly been a little bit underwhelming as far 231 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.559 as you know, big time wins. 232 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.159 Virginia they stink this year. Let's be real, they do. 233 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:14.399 So you know, I think we'll know mid early January, 234 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:19.919 maybe mid January. Okay, did those really close wins? I'm 235 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.720 sorry those really those those the losses to really good teams, 236 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.960 some close, some not, Like was there any real value 237 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:27.879 there or not? Like, you know, I'm choosing to think 238 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.720 that there is, but I guess we'll find out, you know, 239 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:33.000 once we get a little bit further on into the season. 240 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.919 I think you mentioned patience and more or less growth 241 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.720 right with these early games and going in facing touch. 242 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.679 That's such a tough schedule early on because I think 243 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.679 it's hard for fans, and I'll speak for on behalf 244 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.720 at least the toxic Twitter environment, because hey, it's me. 245 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.320 I'm the problem on Twitter sometimes, So I just like 246 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:52.399 that just to be clear. 247 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.720 You you on Twitter, as much as it may seem 248 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.639 toxic to some like, you know, you have no control 249 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:00.960 over it, and I don't want you to feel like 250 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.000 you're you're you know, even if you had bad energy, 251 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.000 oh yeah, it won't impact them, and if it did, 252 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:07.639 then they got bigger problems, you realized. 253 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:09.720 I just hope I just have a weird way of 254 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.559 thinking that the universe is going to reward me if 255 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.360 I just complain about it too much. But I guess 256 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.360 it's probably time to get out of that bubble. But 257 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.759 I think it's gonna be hard for fans to pivot 258 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.639 just because they were almost in the same situation as Kentucky. 259 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.720 They got a new head coach that got away from 260 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:24.799 their swaggy head coach. 261 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.759 So we're not feeling we're not at all the guy 262 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.480 situation this year, Like everything changed when you became a 263 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:34.360 team that only has seven guys, and that that doesn't 264 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:38.639 mean that you can't evaluate it and be like upset, 265 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:42.039 but like we're not in the same situation at all 266 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:42.480 as them. 267 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.440 Well that we were, and it built up like I did. 268 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.960 You weren't with me on Friday because of the because 269 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.320 of the schedule, But like that was my point. This 270 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:51.919 this had a climax ahead of time, like new era 271 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:54.559 coaches that are I mean it was rivalry, renewed coaches 272 00:12:54.600 --> 00:12:58.519 restarting rivalry. They're they're very likable, they play similar styles, 273 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.639 they built brand new teams from scratch, and you know, 274 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.519 just knowing that, like they're and they weren't they weren't. 275 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:06.600 They mean they've lost Cresa. They did have clearly they 276 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:08.279 got Butler back in a major way. But like I 277 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.679 just I wanted so badly it to be on better circumstances. 278 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.720 But I'm also willing to say, because I know Kentucky 279 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:17.440 fans hear this their own way. I'm also willing to 280 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:20.639 say that even if Louisville was completely healthy. Had everybody doesn't. 281 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:21.039 Mean they would have won. 282 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:24.600 Yeah, it's the pivot to understanding that you are shorthanded, 283 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.360 you're down to a seven man rotation. And I guess 284 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.200 some people can look at it as a thirty thousand 285 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:33.039 foot view that Kentucky gets a new head coach. It 286 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.279 wasn't obviously, Mark Pope wasn't their first option, just like 287 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.000 Pat Kelsey was a Louisville's first option. So in a way, 288 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:41.240 they're kind of in the same boat, brand new coach. 289 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.679 Oh no, they would have been in the same boat, 290 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:43.600 but this season they're not. 291 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.519 Yeah, but as everything's played out with injuries and stuff 292 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.080 like that, and that hasn't hit Kentucky as much as 293 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.639 it had. Of course, they lost Butler and Cresa, and 294 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:54.799 we can we can talk about Cresa, but like I think, 295 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.200 just fans are just more expecting, Well, how come they 296 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:58.960 get to do that with the first year head coach, 297 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:00.840 and how come they get the look like world beaters 298 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.200 and go out there and have a good game with Gonzaga, 299 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:04.960 and have a good game with Clemson, have a good 300 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:07.759 game with beating Duke and then we're struggling to beat 301 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:08.679 some of those teams. 302 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.399 Just as well, but like the answer is obvious, so 303 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:12.080 like you know, of. 304 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.919 Course, yeah, And that's why I think for a lot 305 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.120 of the fans, some of the bad reactions, it's it's 306 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:17.919 hard to pivot to that because we're not in the 307 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.639 same injury situation for them, So now it becomes like 308 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:21.559 you said, in another month. 309 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:23.240 But I don't I don't think it's a pivot. I 310 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:27.000 think it's like I think, like, this is the first 311 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:28.159 time I feel like. 312 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.919 We've really hit. Like I didn't think Kenny Payne ruining 313 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:34.919 the program for two years was like bad luck. 314 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.600 Like I thought it sucked and I hated it, and 315 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.519 it was, you know, like a product of really the 316 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.320 whole thing from the beginning with Rick needing to be 317 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:46.399 run out or at least was run out because like 318 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:47.600 so you know, like I just looked at that as 319 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.519 a product of like a lot of things, and you know, 320 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.879 it needed to be changed, and it did after two years, 321 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.200 like Louisville fans have felt like, oh my god, like 322 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:58.879 we can't catch a break. I've had more you know, 323 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.159 scanned things to go through as a fan in a 324 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:04.799 five year window than any fan will have of any 325 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.840 other team. Like I get all that, but this year 326 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.799 for me, I do feel like it's it's just terrible luck. 327 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:12.879 But again, when I say that, there are some and 328 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:14.399 I know you're not saying that, But when I say that, 329 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.039 I know some people Kentucky fans probably think like I'm 330 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.919 out here acting as if everything would be perfect if 331 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:21.559 they were healthy. 332 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:22.159 I don't know that. 333 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.919 I mean, in fact, Jason Pryor, they clearly miss him, 334 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.840 but like they became a better shooting team when he 335 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:29.840 stopped playing because he shot in a game and maybe 336 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.320 made one. Sure, So like, I just hate being robbed 337 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.279 of knowing. And you know, yes, I'm having to find 338 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.720 like that level of like because again I think a 339 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.559 lot of us are wired the same way, but to 340 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:48.399 different extremes. So I guess now I just and maybe 341 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.320 it's me just wanting to be a Homer and wanting. 342 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.159 So badly for it to work out. 343 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.159 For Pat Kelsey, I don't think it's that way, But like, 344 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:58.720 I feel the same energy that everybody does, just because 345 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.480 the situation sucks and the results are not good. But 346 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.879 I can't again, I can't manufacture any feeling towards any 347 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:08.600 player or coach on this team because I think the 348 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:10.799 guys that are playing like they weren't brought here to 349 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.159 play thirty plus minutes a game. Yeah, these lineups, the lineup, 350 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:16.360 the rotation that he has is not one that he 351 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.639 would have ever played with everybody healthy. And that doesn't 352 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:21.799 mean that he's great and that everything would have been 353 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.879 perfect had these injuries not happened. But like, I just 354 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:28.879 don't have anywhere to direct like my frustration. I don't 355 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.559 know if it's going to be great here long term, 356 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:31.279 none of us do. 357 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.480 Well, we'll see, like you said, in a month, we'll 358 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:35.360 see where we're at, Like you said, like the January 359 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:37.480 fourteenth mark, we'll see where we're at once we get 360 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.720 into like the softer part of our schedule and see 361 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.279 how battle tested that they really are with this rotation. 362 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:44.639 And I'll be consistent then because and I'm glad you 363 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.720 brought that up, because I think you know, as much 364 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.440 as it may sound like, I'm giving these dudes in 365 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.440 Pad a pass right now. If you mess around, start 366 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:54.840 losing to teams like Syracuse in Virginia who we know 367 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:57.519 aren't very good, Like, yeah, the injuries will still be 368 00:16:57.559 --> 00:16:59.879 a factor, but I think at that point you can say, no, 369 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.960 we know you're better than what you're doing now, like 370 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:03.720 why aren't you playing better? Why aren't you you know? 371 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.400 So I think it'll you know, we'll see. I'm hoping 372 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:07.640 they can beat those teams. They should. 373 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.480 But I like where this conversation is going. I'm gonna 374 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:09.599 go on. 375 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.160 I'm gonna take this to the other side because I 376 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.920 think Austin, I hear a lot of myself in Austin 377 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.440 when it comes to the emotion as a fan. And 378 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:22.079 you know, maybe it's because I'm a little bit older, 379 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.000 maybe because you know, I've had to you know, I've 380 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.480 had to just you know, I've just changed. But this 381 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.319 has been an interesting case study for me because. 382 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:31.480 A lot more mature than I am. 383 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.799 Well, yeah, you know, maybe I am. 384 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.440 I'm still cut my teeth in that that says a. 385 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:37.039 Lot about you if I'm a lot more mature than you, 386 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:39.400 because I don't know if I'm known for my maturity. 387 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.960 But anyways, we'll keep this conversation rolling along. Stick around. 388 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.319 It's Nick Coffee, Austin Montgomery, Coffee in Company. Feel about 389 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:46.319 Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. 390 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:54.240 Now back to coffee and Company. Fueled by Thornton's on 391 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.319 Sports Talk seven nine day. 392 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:01.039 That's right, it's Coffee and Company Old by Thornton's here 393 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.880 on Sports Talk seven ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us. 394 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:07.119 If you did miss it over the weekend, I imagine 395 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:11.000 you did not. But Miller Moss quarterback transfer, did commit 396 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.480 to Louisville and by the end of the by the 397 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:18.359 end of the let's see, Yeah, I'm gonna make sure 398 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.119 I've got something of reference here. I'll get you updated 399 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.720 as best I can as far as who's because Miller 400 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:25.079 Moss is and the only guy they've added. They've added 401 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:26.680