1 00:00:05,919 --> 00:00:13,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Adventurers of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,879 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:20,519 going to bring you this week's episode of Counterspy. But 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,879 first I want to encourage you. If you're enjoying the podcast, 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,839 please follow us using your favorite podcast software and UH. 6 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:31,719 Today's program is also brought you in part by the 7 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,359 financial support of our listeners. You can support the show 8 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:37,640 on a one time basis by maleian a donation to 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,560 Adam Graham Peelbox one five nine one three. 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The handsomely streamlined Bulevar Alden fifteen jewels 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,359 extremely dependable only twenty four to seventy five w EAF 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,120 New York. 22 00:01:42,120 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: By Washington calling Counterspy, Washington calling Counterspy. 23 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:10,039 Speaker 4: Harding countered by colleague walk again Harding countered by colleague. 24 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:31,199 Speaker 3: The Blue Network presents Phillips h Lord Counterspy. Counterspire is 25 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,280 dedicated to all government undercover men, that invisible army which 26 00:02:35,319 --> 00:02:38,360 protects our men on the fighting front in our industries 27 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:42,280 and secrets on the home front. Imagine Chief Counterspi of 28 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:53,599 them all. As David Harding. One of the methods enemy 29 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,360 spies have been using recently to enter the country is 30 00:02:56,439 --> 00:02:58,680 to try and fly over our borders at night and 31 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,560 drop by parachute and some wild section of a border 32 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:05,439 state in All Mexico. Way back in the Sandy Hills 33 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,680 is a ranch on which is a modern airplane. The 34 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,599 ranch is about ninety miles south of Warez and is 35 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,319 well hidden in the hills. Tonight, a gets stop awag 36 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,520 and has arrived at the Mexican ranch from where he'll 37 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,439 be flown over the border and dropped into Texas. The 38 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:23,159 airplane has been pushed out is about to take off 39 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:23,800 from the ranch. 40 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, ready to take off at the Texas border. Harborg 41 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,680 takes a suitcase. But this in a cockpit? Yeah yeah, yeah, 42 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:36,960 what is it? I do not go yet? 43 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:37,599 Speaker 4: Why not? 44 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,039 Speaker 6: A very unusual thing has just happens. Sing yeah, yeah, 45 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:42,240 No one ever comes this far from the main road. 46 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,039 But the ranch house has just arrived. Councilor Carlos Costelo Costello, 47 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,879 he is taking a long trip by horseback for his health. Seizinger, 48 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:51,560 make him leave. We do not run this place as 49 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 scave it. Oh, but I have a very interesting thought. 50 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,960 So suppose I tell him you are wealthy Americans down 51 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:57,919 here with your plane. 52 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,159 Speaker 5: You are going to take a little ride and the 53 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,639 moon in the sky. I invite him to go with you. 54 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, when you cross the border, you will fly very low, 55 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,599 will be very unfortunate. 56 00:04:07,719 --> 00:04:09,919 Speaker 5: But his feet and hands will be tied very tight. 57 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:13,479 Speaker 6: The door of the airplane will open, he will fall out, 58 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,960 he will be killed. He will find him with his 59 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:20,079 hands and feet tied and dead on American soil. I 60 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,120 see there will be quite a string between the Mexican 61 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,360 and the United States governments. A prominent government official murdered 62 00:04:27,439 --> 00:04:28,360 on American soil. 63 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, hello, it is a good sort. 64 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,639 Speaker 7: Then say picture Tarans his friends say picture right nine 65 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,639 you like my little light? 66 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 6: Dear eh see get stappoy shall hear about this? You 67 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:43,360 shall be reverted, please not by medals. I prefer my 68 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:44,480 reward in money. 69 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 7: Go Ela, invite the official to join us. Zenbi will 70 00:04:48,279 --> 00:05:02,920 see what happens. They're so glad you could take this 71 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,879 little flight with us canceror. 72 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 5: Ah, so beautiful. I was never in an airplane at 73 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:12,240 night with the moon. He is so romantic. 74 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 7: You are there, Councilor they have crossed the border between 75 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,079 Mexico and the United States. 76 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,879 Speaker 5: No is it not against the law? 77 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,399 Speaker 7: Or I am sure no one will have Jake, But 78 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,639 they have such a distinguished gentleman of the Mexican government. 79 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 4: What is the meaning of this? 80 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,639 Speaker 8: No, you know the help worker, Yes, Hans tire s feaquen. 81 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,319 I tie his hands. 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: All Who are you? 83 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,879 Speaker 7: He said, Gestapo, if you would like me know, why 84 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,600 are you kidnapping me? They are going to open the 85 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,839 doors a plane and you are going to fall out. 86 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:45,079 Speaker 5: No, you cannot. 87 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 7: You will be found on American soil, and a very 88 00:05:48,199 --> 00:05:50,519 delicate international situation should result. 89 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:53,439 Speaker 8: You are a foot All my bones will be broken. 90 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 5: They will they will know I was thrown from an airpase. 91 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,480 I guess that was not so stupid. They will fly 92 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:02,439 very low. You will not be kid but your body 93 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,600 will not be mangled either, not as thow as you can. 94 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 8: So Mexico like the United States, who belong to Germany. 95 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 5: And you will be glad that you're dead. 96 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:15,399 Speaker 8: You're weak. 97 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 7: Lah lah, Now, counselor, I should open the door, and 98 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,360 we will make ready for your weak experience. 99 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: You put in Take quite at me, They brid me this, 100 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,279 don't please? 101 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 8: What are you doing trying to fool? 102 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 5: I cannot fight. 103 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 4: I'm tired. 104 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: Therefore I must. 105 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 8: Pray, pray to whom full superstitious. 106 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 5: And me said Arcion. 107 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,199 Speaker 7: I will not hear such tribble. They aren't enough hands here. 108 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,959 But do you have a crayon in your hand to 109 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,120 give me the Please give me a chance to leave. 110 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,639 Speaker 8: Now I shall push you through the door. Scree haa 111 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:11,800 con he faults, So that's it. What's up? 112 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:26,879 Speaker 5: Time back on the cross. Hello, Hello, this is Harding speaking. 113 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,000 I'm in the testing laboratory of the Walker Optical Company. 114 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,079 In an hour, I shall take a plane for Washington, 115 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,560 set up my apartment for me at three o'clock with 116 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:39,800 Colonel Marvin tele emergent emergency. Yes you wish me to continue, 117 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:43,639 mister Harding, Yes, mister Walker, and this is a grave emergency. 118 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:47,879 Now those light bulbs you have lined up over there, 119 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:49,600 are they lit now? 120 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: Yes? 121 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 9: But naturally, as they are high frequency lights, you cannot 122 00:07:54,199 --> 00:07:57,240 see them with your naked eye. I see you cannot 123 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,480 see the light, mister Harding, unless you are wearing this 124 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,439 green hype lens in your glasses. 125 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,199 Speaker 5: This is a five three one now look through it 126 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,959 all right? Yes, so I can see the left lights burning, 127 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:13,480 but I can't tell whether the one on the right 128 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,720 is burning or not. Where if you would need another 129 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,360 specially colored lens to see that one. Oh. 130 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 9: In other words, mister Harding, these high frequency lights can 131 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:25,000 be burning, but you cannot see them unless you are 132 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,079 wearing specially prepared lenses. 133 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 5: Well, mister Walker, as I explained to you, this is 134 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:34,559 a case of great emergency. It involved an international incident 135 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:38,720 with Mexico. I see, how soon could you make me 136 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,840 twelve pairs of each of these two different lenses? I 137 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,759 believe by eight in the morning, mister Harding, I'll have 138 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,000 a Navy plane waiting off Pier three and a government 139 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,240 car here to deliver them to the plane at eight 140 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,519 half in the morning. Right now, I'm going to fly 141 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:01,360 to Washington. What can I do for you, mister Harding? 142 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:05,279 Colonel Marvin, We've known for some time that certain Gestapo 143 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,559 wagents have been getting into this country by flying over 144 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,759 the border from a ranch in Mexico. Now they're landing 145 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,960 in a deserted section of Texas, where they usually stay 146 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:16,360 for several days before leaving for different parts of the 147 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,600 United States. In other words, you've allowed them to enter 148 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,559 this way because you know how they're entering, and that's 149 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,919 better than stopping this route and forcing them to find 150 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,120 some other method, which may take you months to discover 151 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:33,200 that exactly. Colonel Harding, you know we'll do anything possible 152 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:36,559 to help you, our colonel. Tomorrow night, I'd like to 153 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:39,919 have about eight Army planes from Field A forty six 154 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,200 fly all over the state of Texas and into Louisiana. 155 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,960 I'll be at field headquarters in Texas with a map 156 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,480 to get their reports. What information are you looking for? 157 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:48,919 Speaker 10: Harding? 158 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: Now, one house which we recently rated, had up the 159 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,639 chimney a high frequency light. The light can't be seen 160 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,879 at night when you're flying over the house unless you 161 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,519 have a certain colored lens in your glasses. I feel 162 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:04,639 sure that there are certain few houses, for let's say 163 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,919 two hundred miles in Texas which have these lights hiding 164 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,200 up the chimney. I see now the pilot who's flying 165 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,679 these foreign agents in where's these special colored glasses? You 166 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:15,919 can see these high frequency lights placed in the chimneys, 167 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,799 and these help keep him on his course. 168 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,759 Speaker 10: And you want to locate every house which has such 169 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:23,440 a riot? Y, yes, and it's vital. I'll have a 170 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,919 plane ready to leave in two hours, Harding, and I'll 171 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,679 fly down with you to see that you have everything 172 00:10:27,759 --> 00:10:28,000 you need. 173 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, our colonel. If we can have the 174 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:42,919 houses which have these invisible lights spotted from the air, 175 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:45,960 we'll know the exact root the plane's flying, which brings 176 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,480 in these spies right to the ranch where they land. 177 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,919 And say for a few days. When that time comes, 178 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:54,240 we'll be able to make a mass raid. I see, yes, yes, 179 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,919 But Harding, what are we doing about. 180 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:01,759 Speaker 10: That prominent Mexican official found and murdered on American sore 181 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:04,759 that's a very embarrassing situation. 182 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,159 Speaker 5: Well, colonel has something about that murder that I can't 183 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,799 tell as yet. I want to check in certain additional 184 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:12,039 facts before I speak. 185 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,519 Speaker 10: All right, Harding, you're doing a wonderful job, and I'll 186 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,879 see that eight Army planes will be flying over the 187 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,759 Designated Section of Texas tomorrow night. 188 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:29,799 Speaker 5: Thank you, sir. Just look at this chart, mister Harding. 189 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:34,200 That last report mentioned this house southwest square forty eleven. 190 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,799 Let me have that out of chart killer, Yes, sir, Yes, 191 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,799 noticed how this root's beginning to shape up. 192 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:48,039 Speaker 4: What did you bee calling? What did you see calling for? 193 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:48,519 Speaker 11: Egg? 194 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 6: Come in? 195 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,399 Speaker 4: I'm flying over at Sanville. 196 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,759 Speaker 11: Get your shirt, gourd s where the ants or God 197 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:00,919 where he. 198 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 5: Has or here's a square he's talking about Kelly, this. 199 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 11: Square north seem intersection Main Highway, two miles from Khanna. 200 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: Can you locate on your jot? 201 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,519 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, this house right here, forty two P. 202 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 4: We have located it. Forty two P. Signing off. 203 00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 5: I've got that marked you signal like on Kelly the 204 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:27,720 upper frequeens. 205 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:34,759 Speaker 4: I yes, forty two are Holly, forty two are Holly? 206 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 5: Come in forty two? Are come in? 207 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:39,879 Speaker 6: Forty two? 208 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:45,159 Speaker 4: Are quere sick? He is sick? 209 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 11: Northeast corner Intersection Military highway out in part of road. 210 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 5: I've got that one to it's right here. 211 00:12:54,559 --> 00:13:02,519 Speaker 4: Rost cake with field nights southeast due with right. What 212 00:13:02,639 --> 00:13:05,559 do you two are riding all, Kelly? 213 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,159 Speaker 5: These houses being spotted are on a perfectly straight line 214 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,120 from the border right to the ranch we've been suspecting. 215 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:12,919 How tomorrow night we'll apply this route, check all of 216 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,639 the houses we're marking, and go right to their landing field. 217 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,200 I'll bring a short waves that along with you in 218 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:18,840 your suitcase. 219 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 6: We've seen every night that pilots reported last night, mister Hardy, 220 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,919 as we should spot that ranch in that landing field 221 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,559 most any minute. 222 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,879 Speaker 5: Yes, sir Kelly, I'm going to tell you something that 223 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,519 nobody else knows. It sounds plenty serious. Mister Harney, you 224 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:51,480 know that high Mexican official found murdered on American soil incert, Well, 225 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:53,879 he was murdered by members of this spire ring we're 226 00:13:53,879 --> 00:13:54,600 after right now. 227 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 6: You mean they got him in Mexico, threw him over 228 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:00,120 the border and dropped. 229 00:13:59,879 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 5: Him from a plane. Yes, that is No, it wasn't 230 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,919 the body of a high Mexican official, but his paper 231 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,320 he was identifying. I did the identifying. Oh and who 232 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,960 watched It was one of our own counterspies, Kelly Tato's 233 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:24,480 Alis Tito yes, I was working with the Mexican authorities, 234 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,840 who we suspected this Mexican ranch. So the Mexican Councilor 235 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,120 was taken into our confidence. He went into hiding for 236 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,679 a few days, and Tato, opposing as the Councilor, visited 237 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:35,600 the ranch. But he was evidently surprised by them and 238 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:38,440 dropped out of a plane. Good lord, but how do 239 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,360 you know? He was stamped from the plains to haunt 240 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,440 the old trick when miscot thing, he got a pensive 241 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,879 from the boat and hid it in the palms of 242 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:47,360 his hands. While his hands were tied together, he was 243 00:14:47,399 --> 00:14:49,120 able to write on the palm of one hand the 244 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:55,919 word air. There's the landing field, mister Hardy. There's a 245 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,320 large ranch house and the two bonds. It's barn. All right, hey, dog, 246 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,559 we'll land and I'll have the pilot take off immediately, 247 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:10,600 All Lieutenant, land as far from the house as you can, 248 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,879 and we'll hide the suitcase with a short waves that 249 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:16,240 are out in the field. Perhaps they won't hear us land. 250 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,279 We can get to the house before they know we're here. 251 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 9: Wow. 252 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 4: What do you want? Who are you? 253 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 5: B R two? We want to stay a couple of days. 254 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:46,480 My name is mister David. This is mister Kelly. Where 255 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:49,919 did you come from? Hussey? And the pedro over the border. 256 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,639 We've been traveling a long time. We want to rest 257 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,200 a day and then go on. Yes, I have a 258 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,320 room for you. You can have food here too. Are 259 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,240 you empty now or do you have any more guests? 260 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:06,879 Speaker 12: We have an Italian, oh, and the Japanese. I did 261 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:09,519 not want to take him in, but we are under orders. 262 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:12,360 And your husband he's up in the barn. 263 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 5: You will meet him when he comes in. Is the 264 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,200 Japanese of the black dragons? 265 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: Yes? 266 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:23,919 Speaker 5: And the Italian of the ober yes? Heile Hitler Ler. 267 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:27,879 Now I ask for one must be most careful in 268 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,519 our work. Do you expect any more guests tonight? 269 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:33,519 Speaker 12: Not for several days. 270 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:36,799 Speaker 5: You wish to go up to your room now, just 271 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:38,720 to clean up? And I think I'll take a walk 272 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:39,879 around and get a look. 273 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 12: At things have to have rushed. You will find my 274 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:45,399 husband in the barn. You will again identify yourself to him. 275 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:06,279 Speaker 5: Calling forty two, be calling forty two, be calling forty two. 276 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:13,359 B come in calling from field that location specified. Locate 277 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:19,559 for me immediately. German couple about sixty one couple opposed 278 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,640 to Nazi rule. Check my file numbers for names of 279 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,799 couples already examined. Fly this couple to our present location. 280 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,039 Eleven thirty tomorrow night. 281 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:31,599 Speaker 4: Check reports vision. 282 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 5: Whatney to be off at all? Haright, Kelly? Close the 283 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,440 kate slip one of the bushes again. Yes, that Nazi 284 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:45,799 woman in there was a brutal looking character. Well, let's 285 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:48,240 get right back to the house. And I don't want 286 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:55,519 them to notice that we've been gone too long. What 287 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,839 did you think of her husband? I'll answer that a 288 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,319 little later. I'm not mistake and I've got a complete 289 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,440 report on him in Washington. A fanatic, isn't he? 290 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 4: Are they all? 291 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,599 Speaker 5: Would they be nazy if they weren't well, if you. 292 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,519 Speaker 6: Weren't in on the inside of things, though, you could 293 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:14,480 stop at the ranch and not guess anything was wrong. 294 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 5: Yes, they're clever. 295 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 4: What was that? 296 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 5: Quick? Get back of the house. What's the matter? 297 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:40,039 Speaker 4: What's going on? 298 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:51,079 Speaker 5: Where is everybody? I heard footsteps upstairs? Let's get up there. 299 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,680 Why oh what do you want? 300 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:10,079 Speaker 8: Oh? 301 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 5: I was in a my room at the other end 302 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,400 of the house. I heard a scream from this room. 303 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:17,359 I come running. 304 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:18,799 Speaker 2: There's Italian. 305 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 5: I got here at the same time. I was at 306 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:24,640 the other end of the house in a my room. 307 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,319 You'd better fix your collar. Looks like someone had grabbed 308 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,640 it and torn the button off. Here comes to my husband, 309 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,599 he would be very angry. Where you may I ask 310 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,839 when this happened? And the other gentleman. We were walking 311 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,799 towards the house. We heard the scream. We ran in 312 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:41,920 here as quickly as possible. 313 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:49,519 Speaker 13: Very pleasant, Tellibory, what has happened? Why did rand If 314 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:53,359 you scream like that, why are you standing. 315 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,039 Speaker 5: H I see. 316 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 7: He was evidently stabbed in the back while he was sleeping. 317 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,279 I am not angry because the Japanese is killed. I 318 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,640 hate him, but you should have been killed somewhere else. 319 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: Who did it? 320 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 5: None of us seems to know, did you. I was 321 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:21,359 at the other end of the house in my room, 322 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,880 and you I would not have done it inside the house. 323 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 4: You know you too? 324 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: No? 325 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,079 Speaker 7: Oh, we were outside walking toward the house. You left 326 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,960 me twenty minutes ago. Well have you been since? Why 327 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,400 did you not come right back to the house. 328 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 5: Because we were all cramped up from traveling, We wanted 329 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,920 to stretch our legs, take a little walk. 330 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 7: So so many ways it could have been done to 331 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:53,440 leave no telltanes. It's the river out of a plane. 332 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 5: It's like possibly you would do with a Mexican. That 333 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,400 do you say? Is that? Hallo told me of it, 334 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,599 the huse the end of Pedro in Mexico. 335 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 7: They all thought it very clever, said man Handla talk 336 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:13,559 so much. Yeah, let me get him up on my shoulder. 337 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,559 I would take him out in bariments a few gladly. 338 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 5: There, come with me. They would bury him to leave 339 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:25,119 no traces. 340 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: I will go with you. 341 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:28,519 Speaker 8: Unhold a lantern? Do you too wish to come? 342 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:37,799 Speaker 5: Not interested? Thank you? Kelly? Will you do me one favor? 343 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,319 What's their kick me? Just as hard as you can. 344 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,400 Why wait a minute, I saw that jap Haman murdered. 345 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,400 By having an instinct, I started to ask questions. I 346 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:49,480 knew the Italian had killed him. All I've had to 347 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,720 do is to ask about three more appointed questions, and 348 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:53,640 there'd have been plenty of trouble. Come to think of it, 349 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,079 you're right you didn't think the woman killed the Jap spy. 350 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:58,960 I think they were all in on it. It was 351 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:01,240 planned before we got here. But the teaser you put off, 352 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,119 mister Harding, You've got results, didn't you. Yes, he fell 353 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,319 for it. He's the one who thought Zalis was the 354 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,279 Mexican official and threw him out of the plane. What's 355 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,400 our next move? Just sit tight until the army plane 356 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,119 arrives at eleven thirty tomorrow night. 357 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,799 Speaker 6: Mister Harding. That's the army plane all right. Now, kick 358 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,240 these glasses. It's signaling with the invisible light just to 359 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:34,680 the right. 360 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 5: Of the moon. See yeah, good. Now we've got to 361 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,240 work fast while the plane's landing. The German couple in 362 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:47,680 the Italian are in the sitting room. That's Quinn, and 363 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:48,359 you will leave. 364 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:50,599 Speaker 7: I will be leaving in the morning for a ready 365 00:22:50,599 --> 00:22:52,160 American manu which I will supply with it. 366 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 5: If you two gentlemen don't mind my intruding, and if 367 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:00,160 it's all right with you madam, I'm heard to have 368 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,640 to ask you all to get your hands up. We 369 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,920 both have your covered. You won't have to do much 370 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,680 persuading for me to put a bullet right through you. 371 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:16,839 Ming Food, We don't operate like your gestapo Burger. We 372 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,039 give him a chance according to our laws. Why do 373 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:23,640 you call me, Burger, so it's not my name the 374 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,359 name I have you listed by in Washington. You forget 375 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,519 your activities in the Boon before the war broke out. 376 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,440 And incidentally, the Mexican government official you threw from the 377 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:35,400 plane wasn't the Mexican councilor. I don't know what you're 378 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:35,960 talking about. 379 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: He was an. 380 00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 5: American counter spy, one of my assistants posing as a counselor. 381 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,480 I'll promise you, Borger, you're going to pay for that, 382 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:47,720 and pay plenty. I'll give you money. 383 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 4: I'll tell you all I know. 384 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 5: Is ain'tenough of this? An army plane just landed outside, 385 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,079 and march out that door to the plane and keep 386 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:55,920 your hands up. 387 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,279 Speaker 4: Mister Harding. 388 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,839 Speaker 5: That's a sweet old couple the plane brought down, motherly 389 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,960 looking soul, isn't she. 390 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,559 Speaker 6: You wouldn't think that this couple who just arrived and 391 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,839 the other couple who we took out to the plane 392 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,359 were both German. 393 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,599 Speaker 5: Some Germans who were not Nazis. Well, i'll let them 394 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:22,720 finish looking around the house and we'll leave in the 395 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,640 army plane with those others we're taking with us. 396 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,599 Speaker 14: Then I believe we have seen it all. Mister harding. 397 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 5: It is quite a place. How do you too feel 398 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240 that you can live here and pretend to be Nazis 399 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,519 and run this place for the spies who come over. Yeah, 400 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,799 Mammy is a great act Christ when she needs. 401 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 8: To be, and so is Papa. 402 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,319 Speaker 14: I will run the house and tie then look up 403 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,160 to the outside and the little radio station to send 404 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,079 you to information. 405 00:24:53,079 --> 00:24:55,039 Speaker 5: As soon as the spy arrives, we shall want his 406 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,200 complete description, something that he's touched, so we can get 407 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,599 his fingerprints, where he's going, and any information about what 408 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,640 he has in his bag. 409 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 8: We shall see you have it all, eh, Papa. 410 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 5: We shall do everything. 411 00:25:08,279 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 9: We shall give our lives to see the Nazis crushed 412 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:14,519 and wiped off the face of this earth. You too 413 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,559 must have had a terrible experience from the report. 414 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 6: Uh. 415 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 9: We lived just outside of Hamburg. They were happy, and 416 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:26,599 our two boys had graduated. Them were the ministers of 417 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,839 the German Lutheran church. It was in the middle of 418 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,160 the night, Papa. They get stop, broke in the front 419 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,880 door and dragged out two boys out of bed. Then 420 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,240 they came and got numbering me forgot. They beat our 421 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:45,319 boys because they were ministers of the church. They dragged 422 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:46,039 them outside. 423 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 14: They tied our boys to defense. They made us watch 424 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,799 the stop, step back and took aim and shut them. 425 00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:57,559 Speaker 5: Her youngest boy, Hans, he did not die. So the 426 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,599 leader guest Stopper put a pistol to his head, spit 427 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,319 at him and trialed. 428 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 9: The leader of Guestapo told the crucifix that hunts for 429 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,920 around his neck. 430 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 5: He threw it on the ground, stepped on it. 431 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 9: Then he raised his arm in the Nazi salute and said, 432 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:22,680 the pearl will rule the world. We left Germany, marm 433 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,960 on me. It took us four months to escape across 434 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,039 the border, but we did it. Now we are in 435 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:37,880 this country, God bless it. And you know what it 436 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:39,559 means to have a Nazi rule. 437 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 5: We gotta here for step. Somebody is coming. Careful, there 438 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,720 may be trouble. 439 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 14: Yeah, come in. 440 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 8: I am a traveler X four Mexico. And that's the 441 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:54,680 end of table. 442 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 14: You have the right at the right place. 443 00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 8: X four our playlet force. 444 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 13: I've had to come the last hundred miles by motorcycles, okay, header, the. 445 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 14: Pillow, the rule of boat, the shitter, little rule de 446 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,039 wulved I didn't end. 447 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 8: I shall show you to your room. 448 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 5: Why these men we don't ask questions like that around here. Yes, 449 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,920 you alright, take my bag? Yeah, remember bringing a light 450 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,119 from demento. We will show this gentleman to his school. Yeah, Papa, uh, 451 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:38,599 this way please. I don't think Kelly, that were needed 452 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:47,920 here anymore. No, let's go to the plane. Look how 453 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,359 bright the stars are tonight, mister hottey yeh ask Kelly. Well, 454 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,640 they're one of the things in this world that are permanent. 455 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,359 Permanent like the faith of Christian people. Now, at the 456 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,160 time of the Crusaders, Barbarians tried to crush faith from 457 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,440 the face of the earth. But the Christians rose up 458 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,319 and pushed those hordes right back into the seas. 459 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:14,039 Speaker 4: Well. 460 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: The great Christian Army has risen again, and Nazism will 461 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,519 be wiped from the face of the earth. 462 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: All of this couplied has spread a great army of counterspies, 463 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,200 men whose names may never be known or their deeds 464 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:49,799 ever revealed. But twenty four hours a day, seven days 465 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,799 a week, these counterspies are the guardians of our home front. 466 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,039 Counter Spy will not be heard Next week June twenty ninth, 467 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,000 Starting Monday night July sixth, counter Spy A Philip dates 468 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,359 Lord production will be presented at a much more convenient 469 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,440 time eight to eight thirty pm Eastern Wartime, seven to 470 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,640 seven thirty pm Central Time, six to six thirty pm 471 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Mountain Time, and five to five thirty pm in the 472 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:32,440 Pacific time Dawn't tell your friends invite them to listen 473 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:37,599 to these exciting, dramatized cases. Make it a date for Monday, 474 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:59,759 July sixth, at the new hour. 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You are listening to the Blue Network. 486 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,039 Speaker 1: Welcome back. First of all, I just have to say, 487 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,880 regarding the and credits that I've felt seen that the 488 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:08,240 Mountain time zone was mentioned in Growing Up Watching television 489 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,920 when they had schedules and they mentioned the time zone, 490 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,039 they would say it would be on at this time 491 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,480 Eastern time and that time Central Time, or they would 492 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440 say it would be on this time Pacific time. But 493 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,799 nobody would ever mention the Mountain time zone, not unless 494 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,279 I was watching something local. And in old time radio, 495 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,279 you don't hear a bunch about time zones unless usually 496 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:40,000 the main time zone that I've heard is Eastern or 497 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,200 Eastern wartime. I think this is the first time that 498 00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,440 I've heard the Mountain time zone mentioned that I can remember, 499 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,640 So as someone who has spent the majority of my 500 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,519 life in the Mountain time zone, I was just really 501 00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,720 pleased by that. Now, of course you'll see hear what 502 00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,720 I mentioned about the title, because while there are Nazis, 503 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:05,079 they aren't really from Mexico. They're coming well, I mean 504 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,000 they're coming up from Mexico, but they're not from Mexico. 505 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,440 They're from Germany. So that's a little bit confusing. Now, 506 00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:18,559 for the episode itself, it's a mix of what we 507 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:23,720 knew and what we didn't now. Wartime media tended to 508 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,720 really lean heavily into the idea of a very intricate 509 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,200 axis spy network working its way into the United States. 510 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:44,440 There was no axis spy activity that was to outlandish, 511 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,119 and some of that may have been just a war 512 00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:52,759 propaganda efforts to keep people vigilant, but there's also a 513 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,640 certain fog of war elements. The FBI is not going 514 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,319 to go ahead and call up Philip's lord and let 515 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,759 them know what the Nazis are up to. What's actually 516 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,400 going on is top secrets, So you can make up 517 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,160 whatever you want, you know, as long as what you 518 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,160 don't make up just happens to be too close to 519 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:17,680 the truth and reality. The sort of access spine that 520 00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,119 we dealt with in the country really came as a 521 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,039 result of things such as you could see in the 522 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:29,720 movie The House on ninety Second Street, where the Nazis 523 00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:34,240 set up a spa network using people they already had 524 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,920 in the United States to spy and report back to 525 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:47,039 Berlin on the preparations and actions of the American National 526 00:33:47,119 --> 00:33:51,960 security apparatus. The reality is that there's was a limit 527 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:57,640 to the Nazis resources. The war was an intensive effort, 528 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,400 both in terms of man power and financial resources, so 529 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,920 there's a limit to what the Germans would feasibly do 530 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,039 at that point in the war, dealing with the United States, 531 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,599 which again pretty far from their front lines. Certainly they 532 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,039 couldn't afford the scale of operations that kept fictional heroes 533 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,400 very busy during World War Two. The random murder thrown 534 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,400 in was kind of interesting, and I like the idea 535 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:34,599 that Harding had to restrain himself from solving the case 536 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,719 just as a matter of habit. The suggestion of kind 537 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:46,400 of a racial animus between the European Fascist and the 538 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:51,880 Japanese is interesting. Now there's an argument to say that 539 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,360 it would not have happened, and that there wouldn't be 540 00:34:56,519 --> 00:35:01,840 that animus. For example, Hitler declared the Japanese quote unquote 541 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:03,679 honorary arians. 542 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 4: But that is one of. 543 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: Those sort of practical compromises on ideology that people who 544 00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,599 have to operate in the real world have to make. 545 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,679 But to me, it's not that implausible that people who 546 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,119 are fully bought into these sort of ideologies would follow 547 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:33,119 them to their rational conclusion, regardless of the practical real 548 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:38,320 world implications. The final thing that was interesting was this 549 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,079 sort of religious angle that came in at the end, 550 00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:47,400 and I found myself just instinctively wondering, Okay, what occasion 551 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,119 was this because it's too late in the year for Easter, 552 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,440 but then I remembered it was nineteen forty two. This 553 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,960 type of program could really air any type of the 554 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,760 year and it would be appropriate. And the history of 555 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:09,039 Hitler's relationship with the Church is somewhat fraught. As a 556 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:17,360 pure ideological matter, Nazism had very little use for traditional 557 00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:23,119 Christian beliefs, but was more than happy to co op 558 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,880 the church it for his own ends. And certainly there 559 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,280 were some churches more than happy to go along with it, 560 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,199 and other churches who just really tried to keep their 561 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,440 head down and avoid coming into Hitler's ire. But then 562 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:45,199 there were those who did stand up against him, and 563 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,360 they paid a price. And there are all kinds of 564 00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:53,920 historical examples of that, whether you're thinking Martin Neimoler or 565 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,199 Dietrich Bonhoeffer or Corey Timboone and her family. And some 566 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,480 detail of the sort of persecution of the Nazis had 567 00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,920 made its way back to the United States due to 568 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,199 people that had gotten out, though a lot was lapped 569 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,199 the imagination, and there were some very broad pictures painted 570 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:22,119 for the purposes of war propaganda. Though honestly, when I 571 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,639 look at or listen to these sort of stories that 572 00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:31,280 were told during World War Two where they're just kind 573 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,440 of imagining what might be going on. You know, they 574 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:39,000 don't have solid information of everything going on, but they're 575 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:44,360 making up and embellishing and telling stories that portrayed the 576 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,599 Nazis as bad as the bad guys. And oftentimes when 577 00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:52,920 you have these sort of wartime propaganda, it turns out 578 00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:57,280 that there's been major exaggeration and things aren't as bad 579 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,920 as the propagandists were saying. But what we actually found 580 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:04,840 when we went in is that things. 581 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 8: Were actually worse. 582 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: Shifting quick, loud, who want to talk about our star 583 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:16,360 Don McLoughlin. This is one of McLoughlin's best known roles, 584 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,039 his second best remembered role. He had been on radio 585 00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:25,800 since nineteen thirty three, a lot of soap work. He 586 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:33,199 starred in a Chaplain Jim during the war and drew 587 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,760 on his background because he came from a long line 588 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,159 of ministers and had actually been planning to study the 589 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,559 ministry and went into acting instead. And he also ended 590 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:49,559 up being one of the actors to play Tennessee Jet. 591 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:56,360 But his most noted role was on television soap operas. 592 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,800 He was one of the original star of As the 593 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,840 World Turns, where he played Chris Hughes, and he played 594 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,239 that role for thirty years, though with a few interruptions, 595 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,920 particularly during the early eighties, and he brings a really 596 00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:25,320 steady presence to Counterspot, although he's not always the man 597 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,480 of action and would give increasingly more of the dangerous 598 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,480 stuff to another star, which we'll meet in a few weeks, 599 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,760 although technically we met him multiple times before on other 600 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,960 New York radio programs, but we'll talk about that later. Now, 601 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:48,320 let's go ahead and thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 602 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,000 and I want to thank Gg, Patreon supporter since February 603 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,880 twenty twenty, currently supporting the podcast at the secret Agent 604 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,239 level of four dollars or more per month. Thanks so 605 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,719 much for your support, Gg, And that will do it 606 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,199 for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us 607 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:08,360 using your favorite podcast software and be sure to rate 608 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,639 and review the podcast wherever you download it from. We 609 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,480 will be back next Saturday with another episode of Counterspy, 610 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,079 but on the Great Detectives podcast. Join us back here 611 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,920 on Monday for Danger with Granger, and on Tuesday, join 612 00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:30,599 us back here for Tarzan on The Great adventurers of 613 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,840 old time radio from Boise, Idaho. This is your host, 614 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:36,639 Adam Graham signing off.