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Speaker 4: I'm Chris, my name Jacqueline.
Speaker 3: One of the first teachings that Jacqueline ever shared with
Speaker 3: me was that the most important decision you will ever
Speaker 3: make is your answer to a single question. Is the
Speaker 3: universe benevolent? Because whoever you answer it. That answer becomes
Speaker 3: the lens which you see your whole life through. Jacque
Speaker 3: and I have come to believe almost nothing shapes a
Speaker 3: person's perspective more than this one choice. Answered that it's
Speaker 3: hostile and every hardship is proof that you're under attack.
Speaker 3: Answer that it's benevolent, and that very same heartship becomes
Speaker 3: something happening for you and not to you, an invitation
Speaker 3: rather than a punishment. Same life, completely different world. In
Speaker 3: this episode we're going to explore. We're going to explore
Speaker 3: and look at more deeply this idea. What do we
Speaker 3: actually mean by a benevolent universe? And is believing it
Speaker 3: just wishful thinking? If it's a benevolent universe, then what
Speaker 3: do we do with suffering, cruelty and loss? And how
Speaker 3: to soul contracts? Quantum physics and the frequency of conscience
Speaker 3: is fit into any in all of this, all this
Speaker 3: in more the next hour and it's a live show,
Speaker 3: so for live years, please put your questions in the
Speaker 3: chat or call in at nine three zero to eight
Speaker 3: one nine and we'll take some questions in the second half.
Speaker 3: All right, you know what, let's get roll in with
Speaker 3: where I started. So Jack was teaching you shared with me,
Speaker 3: and when it's one of the first things I remember
Speaker 3: you ever saying in one of the classes I took
Speaker 3: of years of this idea about the benevolent universe and
Speaker 3: the most important question you have to ask. Can you
Speaker 3: take picks back to that and what you meant by
Speaker 3: it or what you mean by it? Well?
Speaker 2: I can, But I'm curious about something because I don't
Speaker 2: remember the day that I said it, and that it
Speaker 2: landed so deeply for you. I'm wondering what hit you
Speaker 2: so hard in that statement when I spoke it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for me, it's just as it wasn't
Speaker 3: the very first time I met you, when I was
Speaker 3: sort of going through my stuff. It was months later,
Speaker 3: when i'd already started this, you know, spiritual emergence, if
Speaker 3: you will, and I and i'd started studying some spiritual
Speaker 3: teachings and whatnot. But I just think as the way
Speaker 3: it was phrased, I never thought about what that meant.
Speaker 3: I never, I guess, had never placed a direction or
Speaker 3: objective on the universe. I sort of thought as being
Speaker 3: something that was relatively inert. But when you asked that question,
Speaker 3: it really landed with me that actually I was feeling
Speaker 3: into that there is something a lot more to this,
Speaker 3: that there is something driving in the direction, and it
Speaker 3: made me really deeply think about it and what that
Speaker 3: actually meant for my life. It really hit me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I remember. It's not my statement, so
Speaker 2: I wish I remember where it all heard it from originally.
Speaker 2: But I guess there's new idea. There's no new ideas
Speaker 2: out there anyways, just recycled ones or shifts some perspective.
Speaker 2: I think, well, I can tell you what it means
Speaker 2: to me now. I don't know exactly what it meant
Speaker 2: to me when I spoke it then, because I don't remember.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we can either see
Speaker 2: the world, the universe, and everything in it, so our
Speaker 2: interactions are the events that happen in our lives. We
Speaker 2: can either and you and I have said this so
Speaker 2: many times on this podcast, that's happening to us or
Speaker 2: happening for us, And if we experience life from the
Speaker 2: perspective that it's happening for us, which is where I
Speaker 2: say benevolent or where I would use the word benevolent,
Speaker 2: then everything that happens in our lives is designed to
Speaker 2: help us actualize, help us come back into alignment with
Speaker 2: who we are, help us come home to remember who
Speaker 2: we are. If, however, we hold the perspective that the
Speaker 2: universe is out to get us, or that the events
Speaker 2: that happen in our lives we are victims to the
Speaker 2: world looks like a pretty hard place, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: give us a whole lot of agency, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: give us a whole lot of power. And I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about the kind of power over I'm talking about
Speaker 2: inherent power, the kind of power that has us connect
Speaker 2: to something bigger than we are, not just our own
Speaker 2: little selves walking through the world. And so I guess
Speaker 2: it's it's a really long way of saying. What I
Speaker 2: mean by benevolent is is the universe. It's funny, I
Speaker 2: feel like I've lost my words today. Just give me
Speaker 2: half a second. At the end of the day, our
Speaker 2: perspective on life is all we've got. And if our
Speaker 2: perspective is that every experience that we have is designed
Speaker 2: to help us grow into the person that we are
Speaker 2: meant to become, then this whole wild ride becomes an adventure. If, however,
Speaker 2: we think that what's being presented to us, whether it's
Speaker 2: an accident, it's an illness, it's you know, losing something.
Speaker 2: It's a job that gets a job, that we acquire,
Speaker 2: our job that we lose, events that are happening with
Speaker 2: our kids that we really don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: control over. If we assume that there's no relevance to that,
Speaker 2: or that the universe is out to get us and
Speaker 2: poor me or woe is me, then our lives become
Speaker 2: very painful, and actually our lives become one huge reaction.
Speaker 2: I hope that answers your question.
Speaker 3: It does, and it's interesting, you know what showed up
Speaker 3: for me there there's a little bit of like, at
Speaker 3: least how we're opening with it's it's a bit of
Speaker 3: a Pascal's wager, and what that is is this, okay,
Speaker 3: So it's like it's this famous thing when it came
Speaker 3: to the existence of God. And Pascal is a famous
Speaker 3: French mathematician the seventeenth century and philosopher who just said, listen,
Speaker 3: put it this way. If you believe in it, if
Speaker 3: you if you believe in an infinite God and infant
Speaker 3: God exists, then there's lots of upside. If you believe
Speaker 3: in infant God, it doesn't exist, there's probably no downside.
Speaker 3: But if you don't believe in an infinite god and
Speaker 3: it does exist, that's going to be problematic. So you're
Speaker 3: just you're just way better off when you look at
Speaker 3: the probably of outcome to just just be a believer,
Speaker 3: because there's really no downside in it. There's lots of
Speaker 3: downside in not believing, in not living your life that way.
Speaker 3: And what I'm hearing with in this is there's a
Speaker 3: there's a positioning and a framing and perspective of life
Speaker 3: that you're just going to be better off regardless if
Speaker 3: you position yourself for a benevolent universe, whether it's true
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely true. Yeah, I think that's absolutely true,
Speaker 2: and I know it. I mean I know it to
Speaker 2: be true in my every day Yeah, what does it
Speaker 2: mean to you to live in a benevolent universe?
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I think when I when I
Speaker 3: first went down this road, it was very much how
Speaker 3: I described in this Pascal Wager. It's like, I think
Speaker 3: I'm better off just believing that, and I'm better off.
Speaker 3: I'm better off framing things that are happening for me
Speaker 3: that everything is an opportunity. Everything has a reason in it.
Speaker 3: And if I can just if I can just position
Speaker 3: that way, I'm going to have more inner peace and
Speaker 3: happiness and I'll learn more lessons. And that's unequippally true.
Speaker 3: I believe that's a better way to live life. But
Speaker 3: it means much more to me than that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: It's like my lived experience here now is I'll unequivally say,
Speaker 3: I know the universe has been evolent. My own personal
Speaker 3: experience tells you unequivalently, I know I live in a
Speaker 3: benevolent universe, and the creative intelligence that runs through this
Speaker 3: universe is benevolent, and and it's in my view it's
Speaker 3: the frequency of love. That's what I experience on a
Speaker 3: daily basis now, far beyond the intellectual exercise that I
Speaker 3: went through originally. And I don't know if I needed
Speaker 3: you to the first to get to the second, but
Speaker 3: that's how I experience it.
Speaker 2: Well, I have two questions from that state, and well,
Speaker 2: actually a comment first, which is you know, when you
Speaker 2: just described the first beginning, like the beginning of that piece,
Speaker 2: what I would say is it actually sounds a little
Speaker 2: bit fluffy. It sounds a little bit in some ways
Speaker 2: it could even sound like bypassing, right, Like everything that
Speaker 2: happens is for me, everything is an opportunity to grow.
Speaker 2: It's all wonderful, and it's not. It's not all wonderful,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't always feel like an opportunity to grow.
Speaker 2: A lot of this feels really painful. And I say
Speaker 2: that because when we're talking, we're not talking about very
Speaker 2: fairy shit here, guys. We're talking about like really getting
Speaker 2: into the trenches and being in the present moment with
Speaker 2: what life gives us or gifts us. And we'll get
Speaker 2: into that a little bit more after. But the second
Speaker 2: piece that you spoke to, which I find really interesting,
Speaker 2: is it's not very often that you use the words
Speaker 2: I know. You really approach life with a tremendous amount
Speaker 2: of curiosity, and you often speak to not knowing and
Speaker 2: to holding the position of not knowing. What about this
Speaker 2: is so different for you? How do you know?
Speaker 3: I want to feel like I want to address the
Speaker 3: first thing you said first, which is, and you're totally
Speaker 3: right that the starting point is the floppiness. It is
Speaker 3: spiritual bypassing. But I've come to wonder if that's part
Speaker 3: of the step in this is it's stake it till
Speaker 3: you make it, but you've got to believe it. And
Speaker 3: that was the starting point. So yeah, one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: spirits will bypassing until it's not, which gets me to
Speaker 3: the second question.
Speaker 2: But before you go there, fake it till you make it,
Speaker 2: but you've got to believe it. I don't think you
Speaker 2: actually get the place of believing it until you've faked
Speaker 2: it for a while, right, Yeah, it takes time to
Speaker 2: get to the place where you can truly believe it.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what you're speaking to, this
Speaker 2: place of knowing. You know it then, because why how
Speaker 2: do you know it?
Speaker 3: So that's the that's the inner voice, the inner dweller
Speaker 3: that I connect to. Now. It's like we talked to
Speaker 3: our last podcast on intuition, and it's that place inside
Speaker 3: when I want to turn all the the outside noise
Speaker 3: off and come inside and then connect with you know
Speaker 3: what I'll call God consciousness or christ consciousness or love consciousness.
Speaker 3: That's what I experience. That's the that's the knowing that
Speaker 3: shows up. That's the that's the voice or the or
Speaker 3: the positionality that I connect with. And it's always the same.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to dumb this down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Can you give our listeners examples of how you know
Speaker 2: this to be true? How do you know through your
Speaker 2: own life experience, or through the experience of your clients
Speaker 2: or the men that you work with, that we live
Speaker 2: in a benevolent universe.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a situation for happening arise that didn't
Speaker 3: that didn't lead to a place of Ultimately, the answer
Speaker 3: was love that ultimately the answer wasn't to move to
Speaker 3: position yourself to a place of love, which is the
Speaker 3: which is the flow and the frequency of the universe.
Speaker 3: I'm struggling here because it's very it's an ineffable concept
Speaker 3: to explain.
Speaker 2: Can I try?
Speaker 3: Yeah, please try.
Speaker 2: We'll see if you come back to it, because you
Speaker 2: keep bringing us back to this ineffable piece and I
Speaker 2: actually want to make this just really raw and real.
Speaker 3: Yeah we'll get there. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: So, in the work that I do in my life
Speaker 2: as a mom, in my life as a friend, as
Speaker 2: a wife, as a daughter, and as a sister, more
Speaker 2: and more I am aware that there are two ways
Speaker 2: to respond to what's happening. One is to jump into drama.
Speaker 2: And for me and my experience, what drama looks like
Speaker 2: is resistance to what's happening. Stories about why what's happening
Speaker 2: isn't okay, stories about why what some he's doing isn't okay.
Speaker 2: Story is about how where our kids are at, where
Speaker 2: our work is at, where life is at, where that's
Speaker 2: not okay. And the more I watch both myself and
Speaker 2: the people in my world, the more I recognize that
Speaker 2: that is a recipe for insanity, because what is in
Speaker 2: this moment, what is showing up in our lives, is
Speaker 2: showing up in our lives, and if we meet it
Speaker 2: with resistance, the only thing that we have is struggle
Speaker 2: and suffering. If we meet it with curiosity around what
Speaker 2: do I have to learn here? What is this experience
Speaker 2: trying to teach me, not about another person, but about myself?
Speaker 2: What is it that's triggering me? What is it that
Speaker 2: I reacting to? And I can actually meet it with
Speaker 2: curiosity because I believe the idea that the universe is benevolent,
Speaker 2: which means to me that every experience that happens in
Speaker 2: my life, as we say in our opener, is an
Speaker 2: opportunity to grow. If I take it, drama starts to disappear.
Speaker 2: Freedom starts to show up. And I'll use a specific
Speaker 2: example of what I've been working on lately in relation
Speaker 2: to our kids, Like we have two kids in our house,
Speaker 2: one that's going to university, one that's going to begin
Speaker 2: university in the fall, and one that's in high school.
Speaker 2: And each one of them are showing up with their
Speaker 2: own stuff. The more I am able to watch my
Speaker 2: interactions with them and see their struggle or their their suffering, frustration, upset, sadness, fear,
Speaker 2: and I'm able to ask the question of myself, what's
Speaker 2: in this for me? And it's an interesting comment because
Speaker 2: that actually makes this sound like the whole world is
Speaker 2: about me, and I'm selfish and and I guess in
Speaker 2: some ways what I'm saying is it's.
Speaker 3: That's exactly the way, well you're saying your whole universe
Speaker 3: actually is inside you, which is which is true.
Speaker 4: Thank you, It's true.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is each one of each each
Speaker 2: one of these kids is going to live their lives.
Speaker 2: Each one of them has their own lessons to learn, yes,
Speaker 2: but in my interactions with each one of them, I
Speaker 2: have something to learn too. And if rather than looking
Speaker 2: at the kids just as an example, and saying, Oh,
Speaker 2: I can't believe we have to deal with this again,
Speaker 2: or why isn't this one you know, why hasn't this
Speaker 2: one figured this out yet? Or why is this one struggling?
Speaker 2: And I can actually stop and go what is it
Speaker 2: about this struggle or what is it about this impasse
Speaker 2: that's impacting me? Where am I getting triggered? And how
Speaker 2: is this experience delivered to me for me to grow?
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I've entered this giant field of possibility,
Speaker 2: and from that standpoint, I can hold a growth mindset.
Speaker 2: From that standpoint, I can look at each of these
Speaker 2: experiences and rather than looking at them as something that's
Speaker 2: happening to me, I can see them as something that's
Speaker 2: happening for me. And when I can get to a
Speaker 2: place where I can really own that, where I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to control the kids' lives in any way, where
Speaker 2: I'm actually just working at managing my own responses to
Speaker 2: what's happening, a level of peace comes over me, which
Speaker 2: then gives me capacity to be able to meet each
Speaker 2: person in my life with curiosity and create a space
Speaker 2: that allows them to see themselves in a different way.
Speaker 2: But when I'm in reaction, and the reaction comes from
Speaker 2: why me, Why is this happening? This isn't the way
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. Life shouldn't be showing up this way.
Speaker 2: Everything gets really chaotic and messy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, seriously, justting in this experience you're sharing. It's at
Speaker 3: all these things that happen using your children or children
Speaker 3: as an example, all these things that are happening that
Speaker 3: seem like struggle or suffering or pain or at the time,
Speaker 3: it's it's benevolence because it's it's actually there for the
Speaker 3: benefit of both you and the kids. It just it's
Speaker 3: just a matter of seeing it that way.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I can't control whether or not the people
Speaker 2: in my world see it that way. The only thing
Speaker 2: I can actually manage is whether or not I choose
Speaker 2: to see it that way.
Speaker 3: And you know that it makes total sense, and it's
Speaker 3: it's helped me get clarity on the question you asked me.
Speaker 3: And you know it's funny when you asked it, I went,
Speaker 3: I went, I went to think about specific client examples.
Speaker 3: But that's their experience. As you said, you have your experience.
Speaker 3: I only have mine, and so I'll certainly answer from
Speaker 3: my perspective, and again it started for me. It was like,
Speaker 3: I'm very much someone who I don't know if I
Speaker 3: thought the world was hostile, but I certainly thought the
Speaker 3: world needed to be controlled. At the very minimal I
Speaker 3: thought it was, you know, it was neutral, and that
Speaker 3: things would only happen that were good in my life
Speaker 3: if I made it happen. Until I got to a
Speaker 3: place where my actions of trying to control things didn't
Speaker 3: work for a well anymore, and I had to get
Speaker 3: out of my own way and fully surrender. And my
Speaker 3: first instance of surrender it was to alcoholism and addiction.
Speaker 3: Nothing i'd do my own power could solve that anymore.
Speaker 3: So I surrendered to the universe to like, if I
Speaker 3: just get out of my own way, what will happen?
Speaker 3: And sure enough, as soon as I did that, everything
Speaker 3: started to change in that front rapidly and miraculously. And
Speaker 3: in that place I really started to feel into this
Speaker 3: idea of surrender to the universe, of being benevolent or
Speaker 3: just surrendering to the universe in general. I hadn't really
Speaker 3: thought about whether it was benevolent or not, but I
Speaker 3: certainly knew what I was doing was going pushing me
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction. So I went to this place.
Speaker 3: If I've surrendered here when it comes to this alcoholism,
Speaker 3: what if I surrender in this place where it comes
Speaker 3: to relationship. Interestingly enough, things started to get materially better.
Speaker 3: What if I surrender in terms of career conflict, going
Speaker 3: through a divorce, proceeding, going through legal troubles. What if
Speaker 3: I keep surrendering and move to a place of powerlessness
Speaker 3: in each one of these categories. And sure enough, one
Speaker 3: by one, with one hundred percent success rate, my life
Speaker 3: started getting better in ways that I can't explain. It
Speaker 3: was miraculous. And what I realized that I was doing
Speaker 3: is by moving to this place of powerlessness, not pushing
Speaker 3: the river, but going with the flow of the river.
Speaker 3: It kept taking me to a place of peace, happiness,
Speaker 3: and enjoy that I didn't know as possible. And that's
Speaker 3: my experience. Is like, wait, if I just jumped into
Speaker 3: this river of what I call the universe and stop
Speaker 3: fighting it, it's been uplent. It's trying to take me
Speaker 3: to the place i'm I'm yearning for, and all I
Speaker 3: need to do is stop fighting it. Everywhere I stopped
Speaker 3: fighting anyone or anything because my problems. I realize we're
Speaker 3: all of my own making the universe beautiful.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's interesting, you know, you and I talk about
Speaker 2: this all the time, and it's so much a part
Speaker 2: of our makeup now. But it's funny to watch us
Speaker 2: struggle having a conversation about it, because it seems like
Speaker 2: the thing that would actually flow off of our times
Speaker 2: most easily. I'm not sure what that's about, but I
Speaker 2: think it does speak a little bit to this idea
Speaker 2: of how ineffable this concept really is, and until you
Speaker 2: experience it, it's really hard to know it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a saying with ineffable concepts, whether it's this one,
Speaker 3: or it's God or something else, is that someone's experience.
Speaker 3: You can say two words and they nod with agreement,
Speaker 3: And there's no number of words that can explain to
Speaker 3: someone who may not have experienced. And so it's somewhere
Speaker 3: in the middle with us and our audience about you know,
Speaker 3: how do we get this concept across for various different
Speaker 3: levels of experience.
Speaker 2: Can you think of a specific example where we can
Speaker 2: highlight what we mean by this, even one that's recent
Speaker 2: for us?
Speaker 3: Mm hm, in our like, do you mean the benevolence
Speaker 3: of the universe, like specifically or a specific example where
Speaker 3: stop fighting it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's all the same, right if we believe that
Speaker 2: we live in a benevolent universe. If you truly adopt
Speaker 2: that belief system and it becomes the lens through it
Speaker 2: you see the world, then each experience that you have
Speaker 2: is an opportunity for you to surrender, and through that surrender,
Speaker 2: each opportunity is an opportunity for you to step into flow.
Speaker 2: So in any way that you want to describe it,
Speaker 2: I mean I can think of a billion.
Speaker 3: But no, go for go for one.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to leave names and things out
Speaker 2: of it because I don't think that that's important. But
Speaker 2: I had a week, a couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to be able to I've had
Speaker 2: a conversation with one of our kids repeatedly where a
Speaker 2: pattern showed up. And that pattern was very much a
Speaker 2: lens of experiencing the world not as benevolent, but actually
Speaker 2: experiencing the world through his eyes as was out to
Speaker 2: get him, never being met fully with what he needed,
Speaker 2: never having his needs met, and as I was sort
Speaker 2: of sitting with that, I watched myself wanting to meet
Speaker 2: all of his needs, to make him feel super loved,
Speaker 2: to fill a hole that wasn't mine to fill. And
Speaker 2: I recognized that, and so I sort of stepped back.
Speaker 2: And as I was in this place of witnessing it,
Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to go for a walk with
Speaker 2: somebody very dear to me who's also family in the
Speaker 2: generation that came before me, and I heard the same
Speaker 2: kind of conversation going on. There was similar there was
Speaker 2: a similar story that was being told, and it struck
Speaker 2: me in really loud way. And then I came home
Speaker 2: and I recognized that that same story exists in my
Speaker 2: generation with my siblings. And I sort of sat quietly
Speaker 2: gobsmacked in recognizing that depending on the lens through which
Speaker 2: we see the world, our world looks entirely different. We
Speaker 2: could have three people growing up in the same household,
Speaker 2: three kids growing up in the same house, and their
Speaker 2: lens would completely define what they experienced. And I watched
Speaker 2: as I got to see this movie play itself out
Speaker 2: in three generations of family before my eyes. And as
Speaker 2: I watched that, what I recognized was that the learning
Speaker 2: in it, there's learning in it for each of them.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's not my business. The learning in it
Speaker 2: for me was so profound because what I got from
Speaker 2: it was I have absolutely no control over the lens
Speaker 2: through which somebody sees the world. There's nothing I can
Speaker 2: do about that. The only thing that I can do
Speaker 2: is choose the lens through which I see the world.
Speaker 2: And as soon as I got that lesson, something shifted
Speaker 2: for me in my own nervous system that created a
Speaker 2: level of calmness and peace and quiet that I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that I've ever experienced in my lifetime. And it
Speaker 2: shifted the way that I was able to interact with
Speaker 2: each of those characters in my world, to be able
Speaker 2: to meet them in a place of complete calm, so
Speaker 2: that perhaps their story the lens through which they see
Speaker 2: the world could potentially also shift. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I describe that very well. I'm really struggling with my
Speaker 2: words today.
Speaker 3: Well, it's hard. And then you describe again, as soon
Speaker 3: as you realize you're in conflict with what is and
Speaker 3: put your and switch and switch your perspective and put
Speaker 3: yourself to a place where now you're going with the
Speaker 3: flow of it all, everything starts to change the way
Speaker 3: you see it the way you interact all that thing,
Speaker 3: and that's the that's it's almost as like it it's not.
Speaker 3: Can't specifically prove the universe is benevolent. All you can
Speaker 3: say is when I orient myself that way, or you
Speaker 3: orient yourself that way, it works out. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: closest we can come to touching it. I can just
Speaker 3: describe what happens when I treat it as it's benevolent.
Speaker 3: I can't prove it's benevolent, but every time I take
Speaker 3: the action and align myself that way, my life gets
Speaker 3: maturely better.
Speaker 2: To summarize that really beautifully. So thanks for finding words
Speaker 2: for me, And with that, I think we'll take a
Speaker 2: break and we'll come back.
Speaker 4: That's good.
Speaker 3: Collect ourselves here.
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Speaker 3: Strong, and we're back, Jack, And I was just laughing
Speaker 3: over the break about how it's like it's challenging to
Speaker 3: to articulate some of these this type of concept which
Speaker 3: we freely talk about in our own but there's lots
Speaker 3: of shortcuts in it. But we're gonna We're gonna soldier
Speaker 3: on for the second half. Here, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 3: shift the direction a little bit. Maybe maybe this will
Speaker 3: be simpler. I want to name the obvious objection about
Speaker 3: what we're saying in a benevolent universe. If you look
Speaker 3: at the news, real suffering, how does anyone hold the
Speaker 3: medival universe the straight face in the face of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's going to be the pushback, and
Speaker 3: that's the pushback I get all the time.
Speaker 2: We'll see if I can find my words in the
Speaker 2: second half of this show. I think the way that
Speaker 2: I would respond to that, and I totally understand the objection, actually,
Speaker 2: but I would say that what's happening in the world
Speaker 2: from my perspective, is a really incredible reflection of what's
Speaker 2: happening within our minds and the warring that's going on
Speaker 2: inside of all of us, the need to be right,
Speaker 2: the need to be on top, the ego structures that
Speaker 2: we work with that are, you know, helping us, helping
Speaker 2: us stay in survival, not helping us to thrive, but
Speaker 2: helping us to survive. That's what's being reflected to us
Speaker 2: in the world outside. And I would suggest that the
Speaker 2: insanity of the world itself is actually an incredible way
Speaker 2: to pause. It's asking us to pause and ask ourselves
Speaker 2: who we want to be and who we choose to
Speaker 2: be in any moment, in every interaction, because we're seeing
Speaker 2: a stage play itself out with actors who are only
Speaker 2: in resistance to what is, who are all working from
Speaker 2: the perspective of their egos, and as we watch it,
Speaker 2: what we see is absolute destruction. And so I would
Speaker 2: say the world is a perfect example, or it's a
Speaker 2: perfect opportunity to draw us back to center, to ask
Speaker 2: the question who do I choose to be in every
Speaker 2: interaction that I have? And I would say it's actually
Speaker 2: like you know, we've talked before about the soul whispers
Speaker 2: and then it gets louder, and it gets louder. This
Speaker 2: is as loud as it gets. Right, We're living in
Speaker 2: a world that is fraught with disease. Mental health is
Speaker 2: at all time lows. We're looking at an epidemic of loneliness.
Speaker 2: All of what's going on in the world for us
Speaker 2: is simply, from my perspective, an opportunity to call us out.
Speaker 2: If I focus again out there and what's happening, I'm
Speaker 2: going to get lost in the news. I'm going to
Speaker 2: get lost in this idea of this one's right and
Speaker 2: this one's wrong, this group is right, this group is wrong.
Speaker 2: But if I watch the news and I recognize how
Speaker 2: it makes me feel, and I come back to what's
Speaker 2: happening for me in it, where I'm getting triggered in it,
Speaker 2: then I actually get to work with that, and I
Speaker 2: shift my consciousness, and then shifting my consciousness, I then
Speaker 2: create room for others to do the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I was really listening that The word
Speaker 3: ego really shut up for me. But even before I
Speaker 3: jump into that, it's almost like I had this thought.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, given the news and all that's
Speaker 3: going on and all these negative things we see, it
Speaker 3: almost reaffirms my view that the universe is benevolent because
Speaker 3: despite that, despite that our humanity and everything, creation still
Speaker 3: pushes forward. It pushes forward in the face of all that,
Speaker 3: all these forces that seem to be almost in intent
Speaker 3: on destroying it. Yet it can't. All these all these
Speaker 3: things that happened, our creation still moves forward in in
Speaker 3: a beautiful way, object actively. But I think that idea
Speaker 3: of the universe is benevolent and where souls that are
Speaker 3: connected to the universe for all one consciousness is the
Speaker 3: way I see it. The ego is not benevolent. That's
Speaker 3: something that's clear because our ego we talk about, it's
Speaker 3: a survival strategy. It's a survival mechanism, and it's predicated
Speaker 3: on control, it's credit on power. But more importantly, the
Speaker 3: ego uses ignorance as a survival strategy. It wants to
Speaker 3: be ignorant. It wants to think it knows everything, it
Speaker 3: wants to shut out things that doesn't know, and that
Speaker 3: ignorance is a source of majority of evil in our
Speaker 3: world right now. And the more ego there is, the
Speaker 3: more there's people pushing against the river. And fortunately or unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the people that have taken power or are given the
Speaker 3: keys to power in our universe are those of the
Speaker 3: biggest egos, and they're those with the greatest amount of
Speaker 3: ignorance and lack of understanding of how the universe actually works.
Speaker 3: So you have this benevolent current with a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of whole bunch of ignorance pushing against it and making
Speaker 3: it look like it's not allowing it to flow the
Speaker 3: way it wants to, but it continues to flow, and
Speaker 3: of course our own egos get in the way as well,
Speaker 3: mine included. Where we're watching the news, we're watching these events,
Speaker 3: and again objectively, it's half a percent of what's actually
Speaker 3: going on, and we're pulling it up and staring at it, saying,
Speaker 3: oh my god, look at all the awful things are happening.
Speaker 3: I look around this room right now, there's nothing awful
Speaker 3: happening here. Everything's wonderful. Right now. I look outside, Everything's wonderful.
Speaker 3: This is some psychological fear that I'm making a story
Speaker 3: of pain about that's happening around the other side of
Speaker 3: the world. I'm not just saying it's real or not real.
Speaker 3: I don't actually know. But my lived experience every day,
Speaker 3: if I'm really objectively truthful about it, is a miracle.
Speaker 3: It's not bad, it's not suffering, it's benevolent, it's kind.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting hearing something really curious, which is that
Speaker 2: in listening to the news, in paying attention to social media,
Speaker 2: in watching the violence that happens when sides are chosen,
Speaker 2: when there is a right and there is a wrong,
Speaker 2: and there is a good and there's a bad, what
Speaker 2: it actually does is totally draw us out of ourselves
Speaker 2: and it brings us. It brings us to a place
Speaker 2: where we no longer have access to our intuition, we
Speaker 2: no longer have access to our inherent power. We get
Speaker 2: caught up in the chaos of the dramas, and the
Speaker 2: dramas as I see them, are actually intended to bring
Speaker 2: us back inside, but instead we are being pulled out side.
Speaker 2: And you said something on the break, which is it's
Speaker 2: funny for me that it was you that said it
Speaker 2: and not me, because it's so much of my world
Speaker 2: growing up. Is you spoke to nature, right, and you
Speaker 2: spoke to this idea that if you look outside, or
Speaker 2: you go into the forest, or you go to the ocean,
Speaker 2: or you go wherever, nature is still finding a way
Speaker 2: to move through its cycles, to grow, to prosper, to die,
Speaker 2: to be reborn, and it's consistent, it's consistently showing us
Speaker 2: how to operate in this world. You go and you
Speaker 2: sit with a tree for ten minutes. The tree is
Speaker 2: not buying into the drama that's happening in the world.
Speaker 2: The tree is present to the water that is feeding it,
Speaker 2: to the sunshine that's helping it to grow, and it's
Speaker 2: not getting caught up in everybody's dramas. That's walking through
Speaker 2: the forest.
Speaker 3: It's just being I would even say it, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't say it's more than that. If you like, if
Speaker 3: you go into like, it organizes itself along the lines
Speaker 3: of what I would call benevolence. If you look at
Speaker 3: take a close look next time me go into the forest.
Speaker 3: Look at the trees that have grown on slight angles
Speaker 3: or slightly crooked to maximize the manici caanopy. And they
Speaker 3: can only do that because the other trees have already
Speaker 3: communicated to them where they need to grow to get
Speaker 3: the sunlight. Watch how the forest floor conspires to create
Speaker 3: the right amount of networks to connect all the trees
Speaker 3: and all the fauna in there. Notice how animals create
Speaker 3: the proper amount of territories that they can all coexist
Speaker 3: and maximize their survival. This is the evidence of benevolent universe.
Speaker 3: What gets in the way is the human ego again,
Speaker 3: and it's not benevolent. It's a survival mechanism that relies
Speaker 3: in ignorance, which is evil. And that's and that's this
Speaker 3: piece that becomes our lived reality, pushing us away from
Speaker 3: all we have to do is let go of it,
Speaker 3: move to this place of minimizing our ego, not get
Speaker 3: caught up in the drama, and go with the flow
Speaker 3: of it all, just like the rest of nature does.
Speaker 3: And we get pulled so far away from that.
Speaker 2: So, if you come back to your question around how
Speaker 2: can you say that we live in a benevolent universe
Speaker 2: when you look at all the cruelty going on in
Speaker 2: the world, The answer that you actually just spoke really
Speaker 2: beautifully is that the universe itself is benevolent. The creative
Speaker 2: intelligence that exists is consistently showing us the benevolence of
Speaker 2: the universe. What's not benevolent is our need, our drive
Speaker 2: to survive in such a way that we're operating consistently
Speaker 2: out of fear rather than surrendering to it.
Speaker 3: It's yes, yeah, and that fear man assessed itself away
Speaker 3: and control and power and all sorts of different tactics.
Speaker 3: That's not living in the frequency frequency of the universe,
Speaker 3: which is a higher frequency of love or peace or
Speaker 3: whatever you want it to be. But it's not fear.
Speaker 3: This fear is not benevolence.
Speaker 2: You spoke that really well, Chris, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I appreciate that, But I want to come
Speaker 3: back to what you said, because you've sort of answered
Speaker 3: the next questions like what do we do about it? Right,
Speaker 3: and you and you and you jump the answer it.
Speaker 3: All you can control is how you relate to the universe,
Speaker 3: how you perceive the universe. As soon as you try
Speaker 3: to get everyone else to like get in line with
Speaker 3: how they're supposed to see it, you're back into the ego,
Speaker 3: You're back into control, You're back into ignorance, you're going
Speaker 3: to know all these things. All we really have this
Speaker 3: locus of control is I'm going to choose to try
Speaker 3: to align myself with the this frequency of the universe,
Speaker 3: which is inherently good, and I'm going to move to
Speaker 3: a place of trusting and allowing.
Speaker 2: And so with that, let's bring up the idea of
Speaker 2: soul contracts. Yes, I think that that really speaks to
Speaker 2: what you're talking about so inevitably, and I'm sure many
Speaker 2: of you on this call have had these experiences of
Speaker 2: having tough experiences with people that have come into your life.
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, we really do have. I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are many options. I'm going to give you the
Speaker 2: two sort of pools of those options. The people that
Speaker 2: have come into your life have come into your life
Speaker 2: to hurt you, or they've come into your life to
Speaker 2: help serve, to help serve your evolution. And I really
Speaker 2: hold strongly to this idea that we've created soul contracts
Speaker 2: prior to coming into this lifetime with people. And whether
Speaker 2: you believe that or not doesn't really matter. You get
Speaker 2: to hold whatever belief you want. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: where how that plays out in my world. You can
Speaker 2: try it on for size if it works for you,
Speaker 2: and if it doesn't, you can let it go. Particularly
Speaker 2: in tough interactions, I notice that I can move into
Speaker 2: a place of blame, shame, defend, attack, and when I
Speaker 2: do that, I totally lose my ground. I'm definitely not
Speaker 2: a tree that's rooted in the earth. I'm somewhere else,
Speaker 2: and my reactivity and my nervous system goes into overdrive.
Speaker 2: But I can also come at things in a very
Speaker 2: different way. When I meet something that feels painful, where
Speaker 2: I feel struggle, where I feel like somebody is doing
Speaker 2: me wrong. In quotations, I can come to a place
Speaker 2: of the witness and I can observe what's happening inside
Speaker 2: of me and my thinking in the sensations in my body,
Speaker 2: and those the thoughts and the sensations themselves are like
Speaker 2: doors that open up possibility, and those doors, those sensations
Speaker 2: can actually be an invitation to calm down a little bit,
Speaker 2: to find a way to breathe, to calm my nervous system,
Speaker 2: and ask the question, what's actually wanting to happen here?
Speaker 2: And what I've come to in many different circumstances is
Speaker 2: this idea that people come into our lives to serve us,
Speaker 2: to serve our evolution, to help us find our way
Speaker 2: through our blind spots. And we can either choose to
Speaker 2: surrender to that and come into what's the lesson in
Speaker 2: this for me? Or we can start getting involved in
Speaker 2: everybody's business. And most of us spend our lives getting
Speaker 2: involved in everybody's business. It doesn't create peace, It creates
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of conflict and upset, and it leaves
Speaker 2: us in a place that's very similar to countries battling,
Speaker 2: to government's battling. But if in those moments I can
Speaker 2: assume that this person is actually here for me, we
Speaker 2: chose to come together in this lifetime to work through
Speaker 2: this piece of work, and that they're opening a door
Speaker 2: for me to be able to see where I have
Speaker 2: a blind spot. Then something entirely different happens. And when
Speaker 2: I've learned the lesson that I need to learn, the
Speaker 2: struggle stops.
Speaker 4: And what's left peace Yeah, peace, okay, and actually a
Speaker 4: capacity to unconditionally lef yes, the person that brought the
Speaker 4: lesson in the first place. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But what's required of us in those moments is everything,
Speaker 2: because each of these people that come into our lives
Speaker 2: gives us an opportunity to face our egos, to see
Speaker 2: where the ego wants to show up and win a battle.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of Rumy's quote, which I will bastardize
Speaker 2: as I do everything I try and quote. But the
Speaker 2: idea of there's a there's a place, do you remember it?
Speaker 2: There's there's beyond. I can't believe my words are really
Speaker 2: gone today. Beyond the place of right doing and wrongdoing,
Speaker 2: there's a field ill not you, yeah, and that and
Speaker 2: that field is the field of creative intelligence. That field
Speaker 2: is a place that exists beyond the ego. And that
Speaker 2: field is, without question, in my experience, benevolent yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's flow and as soon as you enter that space,
Speaker 2: life changes entirely. But to get there, you have to
Speaker 2: be willing to die. And what I mean by that
Speaker 2: is you have to be willing to let the ego
Speaker 2: die so that what's underneath can fully thrive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're and everything everything you said in there,
Speaker 3: like I relate to and the way to describe soul contracts.
Speaker 3: The mechanics of it get me to the same place,
Speaker 3: and I relate to it just slightly differently. And it's
Speaker 3: sort of it's almost where you ended with the field.
Speaker 3: More so than a sort of this idea of like,
Speaker 3: you know, we go somewhere, we come back with the contract.
Speaker 3: Is I more relate to it is that we are
Speaker 3: just simply one unified field of consciousness, and we're these
Speaker 3: individuated sparks of consciousness that just our feelings, separated from
Speaker 3: the whole by the ego structure. But everything is absolutely
Speaker 3: interrelated and it's just one. There's no separation between the
Speaker 3: observer and the observed in this there's no actual real
Speaker 3: separation between me and you right here. It's just a
Speaker 3: perception issue from our ego. But we're fully connected as
Speaker 3: we are with every other human being and every other
Speaker 3: source of consciousness living creature that exists out there. Everything's
Speaker 3: all happening in unison as it's meant to. There's nothing
Speaker 3: out of place here. Everything is going exactly as it's
Speaker 3: being orchestrated by extent by this central creative, benevolent intelligence.
Speaker 3: And there's only our ego that are trying to create separation,
Speaker 3: that are locked in fear, that are trying to have
Speaker 3: a scarcity view that I have to protect myself or
Speaker 3: take or or I'm going to lose out and someone's
Speaker 3: going to get something different and not recognizing we're all
Speaker 3: just one consciousness. And as soon as I'm related to
Speaker 3: that way and feel into this one consciousness, which is
Speaker 3: the quantum otherwise known as the quantum field, I can
Speaker 3: just relax into it. No one's trying to get me.
Speaker 3: There's nothing bad happening, there's nothing good happening. It's just
Speaker 3: all happening in a benevolent way. And my only job here,
Speaker 3: the only thing I need to do is experience it.
Speaker 3: And the best way to experience that is one without suffering, right,
Speaker 3: not trying to fight it, but just going with the
Speaker 3: flow of it. I'm just here to experience life.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: There's nothing more I actually need to do. And any
Speaker 3: place that I'm suffering or creating anxiety or this is
Speaker 3: coming up, it's just an opportunity for me to take
Speaker 3: a closer look at that and dissolve it, which helps
Speaker 3: me let go of my egostructure so I can just
Speaker 3: be connected to this one field of benevolent creative intelligence
Speaker 3: that we call the quantum field.
Speaker 2: That's funny. You know, I'm listening to you speak, and
Speaker 2: there's a part of me that hears you so completely
Speaker 2: that my whole body just got really quiet. And so
Speaker 2: I would say, I know that what you're speaking is
Speaker 2: absolute truth. And and I'm still wrapping my mind around understanding
Speaker 2: the quantum field.
Speaker 3: There's a famous Einstein quote, and I think this really
Speaker 3: is this quote they all got to attribute to them
Speaker 3: because like all, like all quantum physicists who've seen the
Speaker 3: field and understand the mechanics of our universe, they know it.
Speaker 3: They know it's not real. They know we're looking at
Speaker 3: an illusion. And he goes, he goes, I know, and
Speaker 3: what did you say? He goes, I know it's an illusion,
Speaker 3: but it's very convincing and that's the challenge again, I
Speaker 3: could get hold in and it's not like it's not
Speaker 3: like I'm walking around in this in this sort of
Speaker 3: like warm, warm blanket of oneness. It's like I'm reacting
Speaker 3: and getting thrown off course and getting knocked off the
Speaker 3: beam fifty thousand times a day. But I'm getting better
Speaker 3: at coming back to this. Stop stop getting into the drama, this,
Speaker 3: stop this idea that you're separate, and remember every time
Speaker 3: you move yourself to a place of powerlessness and just
Speaker 3: diving into the river and going for it. It works
Speaker 3: out and little by little, day by day, hour by hour,
Speaker 3: life just gets a little bit easier and I can
Speaker 3: reside in that place of peace a little bit longer
Speaker 3: each day. But it's like it's a lifelong work.
Speaker 2: It absolutely is. But you said something really important there
Speaker 2: that I want to qualify before we end the show,
Speaker 2: which is that every moment that we step into struggle
Speaker 2: and suffering is an opportunity for us to come back
Speaker 2: to peace. Every moment that we get lost in our
Speaker 2: suffering and struggle is an invitation to come back to
Speaker 2: a place of ease. We're not meant to live in
Speaker 2: that place of struggle, that struggles simply a reminder to
Speaker 2: come home. But when our focus is so much out there,
Speaker 2: we think we're meant to control that all were actually
Speaker 2: being asked to manage is what's happening in here, And
Speaker 2: choosing peace, choosing ease is the gift that we have
Speaker 2: in every moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think I think really important thing it's
Speaker 3: choosing peace is different than comfort. And I think that's
Speaker 3: the thing a lot of people get tripped off on.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm trying to orient my life to be comfortable.
Speaker 3: That's not the same as orienting to peace. Pieces I
Speaker 3: am at ease and at peace, and I am accepting
Speaker 3: whatever the circumstances are. I'm at peace with them all
Speaker 3: the time. I don't need them to be a certain way.
Speaker 3: As soon as I need something to be a certain way,
Speaker 3: as soon as there's a good way in a bad way,
Speaker 3: I am no longer at peace. And so peace is
Speaker 3: a state of mind. It's a frequency of consciousness where
Speaker 3: I'm in full acceptance more than full acceptance of what is.
Speaker 2: I'm in full acceptance of what is, and peace actually
Speaker 2: requires it demands us to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's even a better way, beautiful. I got shivers,
Speaker 3: they're beautiful. Yeah, it's there's a tremendous amount of discomfort and.
Speaker 2: Peace because peace the discomfort comes from being we have
Speaker 2: to face ourselves. That's where it's not pretty, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's where this work is not. There's no bypassing in
Speaker 2: this work. There's actually facing yourself, like coming face to
Speaker 2: face with where you're getting in your own way.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're going along and if you're going
Speaker 3: along with the current of society which is trying, which
Speaker 3: is leading us to have achievement, possessions, title, all the
Speaker 3: stuff that is not the road to piece, you're on
Speaker 3: the wrong path. And that's what makes it so hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what we're saying is is that in order
Speaker 2: to be able to go with the flow, you actually
Speaker 2: have to go against the grain.
Speaker 3: That's really just uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything more uncomfortable action.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great place to stop. Okay, I think
Speaker 3: we've pulled it together in the second half.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but maybe if we take this, maybe we try
Speaker 2: get mixed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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